| 00:01.37 | PerfectCell | yes try using the soviet anaesthesia gas |
| 00:02.14 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:03.54 | PerfectCell | hey i need a irc proxy because im behind a firewall |
| 00:04.07 | bzdoug_ | bummer |
| 00:04.20 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:04.26 | bzdoug_ | ask someone with a linux box |
| 00:04.32 | bzdoug_ | like captain_macgyver |
| 00:04.35 | bzdoug_ | or Chestal |
| 00:04.43 | PerfectCell | linux box? |
| 00:04.44 | bzdoug_ | or jzaun |
| 00:04.49 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:04.59 | bzdoug_ | unless you can get a proxy for windowz |
| 00:05.00 | PerfectCell | what the hell is that? |
| 00:06.06 | PerfectCell | i google for a proy list |
| 00:06.26 | bzdoug_ | oh, but those never work |
| 00:06.34 | PerfectCell | yes that the prob |
| 00:06.46 | PerfectCell | and the only one that worked, i lost it |
| 00:06.59 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 00:07.37 | PerfectCell | cheese |
| 00:07.56 | PerfectCell | kewl |
| 00:07.56 | bzdoug_ | grommit! we are out of cheese! |
| 00:12.23 | PerfectCell | afk |
| 00:18.40 | PerfectCell | so tired |
| 00:19.00 | PerfectCell | im to tired to brush my teeth |
| 00:19.11 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 00:19.15 | PerfectCell | creep into bed |
| 00:19.43 | PerfectCell | i want too |
| 00:20.15 | PerfectCell | but its to late |
| 00:20.29 | bzdoug_ | lol |
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| 02:03.21 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:25.03 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug realizes that the pineaple on his pizza had probably gone bad |
| 02:25.14 | bzdoug_ | hah |
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| 02:37.35 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:37.42 | shaenus | happy new year bzlag dev's |
| 02:38.13 | hoda | were making the movie for our game doug |
| 02:38.24 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 02:38.28 | bzdoug_ | cool... |
| 02:38.29 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:38.33 | captain_macgyver | hi hoda |
| 02:38.40 | hoda | hi |
| 02:39.08 | hoda | i played the new version of bzflag |
| 02:39.30 | hoda | didnt look like anything real dif was added |
| 02:39.46 | hoda | people were still using heat seeking missile all the time |
| 02:40.35 | captain_macgyver | mostly bugfixes |
| 02:40.38 | captain_macgyver | some new GUI options |
| 02:41.08 | hoda | it did look better |
| 02:41.13 | hoda | for some reason |
| 02:46.33 | sussudio | excessive use of GM is proportial to people's low self-esteem |
| 02:47.07 | hoda | it certainly gave me a headache |
| 02:47.22 | sussudio | yeah that sound needs to be changed |
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| 02:47.37 | hoda | i love the laser |
| 02:48.10 | sussudio | everyone should have laser all the time |
| 02:48.18 | hoda | the one thing that i think wouldnt change the game but make it more interesting and skill based would be gravity mods for all the bullet types |
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| 03:08.32 | victorvdl | jzaun: Great job on that HUD patch. |
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| 03:12.29 | hoda | happy new year bzflag dev! |
| 03:12.32 | hoda | later |
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| 03:25.28 | MrApathyCream | victorvdl: it's cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 03:38.26 | victorvdl | MrApathyCream: Yea, I finally got it right. I have it now... |
| 03:40.41 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 03:41.19 | victorvdl | jzaun's HUD patch is really nice... |
| 03:41.36 | jzaun | you know... wnating to write a little util, I goto #gnome for a little help (on irc.gnome.org) and the people there are just about asses |
| 03:41.41 | jzaun | victorvdl: Thanks :-) |
| 03:41.52 | jzaun | victorvdl: still working on it though, should be done shortly |
| 03:42.01 | sussudio | jzaun: yes, they should rename it #proctology |
| 03:43.12 | jzaun | sussudio: I asked for some code example on how to make a nutilus plugin.. they said look at fileroller... so I did, I can see it, so I asked where in FR and they said "Its in File Roller" |
| 03:43.22 | jzaun | jacks.... really make you feel at home |
| 03:44.00 | jzaun | err... s/can/can't/ |
| 03:44.25 | sussudio | :-P |
| 03:44.31 | captain_macgyver | jzaun: yep, only channel on that server i found tolerable was #devel-apps |
| 03:44.55 | jzaun | heh... I'll ask there then :-) |
| 03:45.49 | captain_macgyver | probably won't get an answer |
| 03:45.56 | captain_macgyver | they're the anjuta folks |
| 03:46.04 | captain_macgyver | i was there 'cause i was using their l33t docking widget |
| 03:46.29 | jzaun | Cool :-) not getting an answer to "Hello all"... so prolly not to anything else as well |
| 03:47.07 | jzaun | you wouldn't happen to know how to write a Nautilus plugin would ya? |
| 03:47.14 | captain_macgyver | nope |
| 03:47.25 | captain_macgyver | only actual gnome app i considered hacking at was evolution |
| 03:47.43 | jzaun | captain_macgyver: to do what? |
| 03:48.01 | captain_macgyver | i wanted to add document tracking to the tasks |
| 03:48.42 | jzaun | that would be interesting |
| 03:49.18 | jzaun | like in Outlook with Office docs? |
| 03:50.47 | captain_macgyver | i don't know how outlook works |
| 03:51.00 | captain_macgyver | i just wanted to be able to specify filesystem locations & web pages associated with a task |
| 03:51.26 | captain_macgyver | because i use the tasks to keep track of my schoolwork |
| 03:51.36 | jzaun | ahh, that would be helpful to keep track of info relating to the task |
| 03:51.39 | captain_macgyver | and its a pain to try to find something that a professor has lost |
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| 04:28.38 | bzdoug_ | http://users.rcn.com/pcombs/$$tablecontents.html |
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| 04:51.44 | bzdoug_ | happy new year!!!!!! |
| 04:51.46 | bzdoug_ | er |
| 04:51.51 | bzdoug_ | in one min, |
| 04:51.55 | bzdoug_ | now |
| 04:51.56 | jzaun | HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! (EST) |
| 04:52.17 | bzdoug_ | hehehe |
| 04:53.41 | scanline | two hours left here |
| 04:53.43 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
| 04:53.48 | bzdoug_ | [00:00] <jzaun> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! (EST) |
| 05:23.41 | M_A_C | woowoo |
| 05:24.07 | MrApathyCream | (GMT+5-1/2} |
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| 05:54.58 | captain_macgyver | hey look |
| 05:55.17 | captain_macgyver | MrApathyCream: i found him |
| 05:58.29 | BZFlag56k | ~bzflist |
| 06:05.00 | MrApathyCream | wow |
| 06:05.37 | BZFlag56k | wow? |
| 06:05.49 | MrApathyCream | The '2 week living cresh' must be done now |
| 06:06.26 | MrApathyCream | ibot, spell cresh |
| 06:06.26 | | possible spellings for cresh: fresh crash crush cress crest |
| 06:06.34 | MrApathyCream | ibot spell creche |
| 06:06.34 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'creche' |
| 06:06.38 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 06:07.12 | MrApathyCream | so what's gnu? |
| 06:12.09 | MrApathyCream | CaptainPistachio: check knightmare's server's title... |
| 06:13.31 | CaptainPistachio | MrApathyCream: what about it? |
| 06:13.43 | MrApathyCream | inviting cheats |
| 06:14.13 | MrApathyCream | Did we lose BZFlag already, seems like he was here such a short time ;( |
| 06:16.56 | BZFlag56k | navi.pico is also a cheat site, yes? |
| 06:17.18 | CaptainPistachio | indeed |
| 06:17.22 | sussudio | yup |
| 06:17.31 | sussudio | and that knightmare thing |
| 06:17.48 | sussudio | that dickhead kicked me for not using a cheat client |
| 06:17.55 | BZFlag56k | heh |
| 06:18.06 | CaptainPistachio | haha |
| 06:18.13 | BZFlag56k | well, patch you client to ignore kicks. ;-) |
| 06:18.26 | CaptainPistachio | BZFlag56k: that doesn't work |
| 06:18.33 | sussudio | hmm |
| 06:18.49 | MrApathyCream | how do they know? |
| 06:18.57 | CaptainPistachio | MrApathyCream: haha |
| 06:20.07 | BZFlag56k | CaptainPistachio: tried? does the server close a connection on kick or just send a kill msg? I'd have to check. |
| 06:20.43 | CaptainPistachio | BZFlag56k: hmm, now that you mention it, its possible it just sends a superkill |
| 06:21.46 | MrApathyCream | removePlayer is called |
| 06:22.08 | BZFlag56k | yep. just checked. ah well. ;-) |
| 06:22.43 | CaptainPistachio | looks like we all flipped over to our sources at the same time |
| 06:22.53 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 06:28.26 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag56k: see the i18n patch, any thoughts on validity? |
| 06:29.45 | BZFlag56k | MrApathyCream: won't be looking at it till I get back on a reall connection. |
| 06:29.56 | MrApathyCream | 56K isn't real? |
| 06:30.03 | MrApathyCream | dang it.... all this time... |
| 06:30.05 | BZFlag56k | heh. not on your life. |
| 06:32.46 | BZFlag56k | in principle, utf8 is the way to go. in actual practice, it means font support that we don't have in the existing fonts. |
| 06:34.27 | MrApathyCream | well current is just 8bit, just other langs |
| 06:34.51 | MrApathyCream | but utf8 stinks as as an in memory representation |
| 06:38.48 | BZFlag56k | why? |
| 06:39.16 | CaptainPistachio | as as an in |
| 06:39.18 | CaptainPistachio | ? |
| 06:39.21 | MrApathyCream | utf8 can be from 1-6 bytes per character |
| 06:39.28 | MrApathyCream | that makes it really oogley to parse |
| 06:40.06 | BZFlag56k | yeah, but it avoids doing full unicode all over the place. |
| 06:40.27 | BZFlag56k | well, as long as we stick to ascii for now (7 bit) we should be ok. |
| 06:40.28 | MrApathyCream | actually win is faster with unicode |
| 06:40.51 | MrApathyCream | yeah i'm only doing 'normal' languages |
| 06:40.57 | BZFlag56k | the patch looks up based on the english message? or uses tokens? |
| 06:41.09 | MrApathyCream | Word tokens |
| 06:41.17 | BZFlag56k | ie: is there a language file for english? |
| 06:41.42 | MrApathyCream | well, there 'could' be, but the base file (with no locale information) is english |
| 06:41.50 | MrApathyCream | so yes english is represented by a file |
| 06:42.18 | MrApathyCream | i didn't want to do look ups based on some 200 byte string |
| 06:42.46 | BZFlag56k | we could leave the english text in the code and then have the display function lookup the international entries based on the english ones. |
| 06:43.16 | MrApathyCream | That's sort of what i did |
| 06:43.17 | BZFlag56k | Ie: the code prints "Join Game" and the german one would have... |
| 06:43.24 | BZFlag56k | ~x en de Join Game |
| 06:43.39 | MrApathyCream | bdl->getLocalString( "JoinGame" ); |
| 06:43.42 | MrApathyCream | is what it does |
| 06:44.01 | BZFlag56k | "Join Game" "Mitspielen" |
| 06:44.18 | BZFlag56k | with the full english text as the key. |
| 06:44.20 | MrApathyCream | language files compound so that you don't need to put _everything_ in the one file, if there is no override |
| 06:44.35 | MrApathyCream | it will fall back to the base |
| 06:44.57 | MrApathyCream | For the most part that's what i did, except |
| 06:45.03 | MrApathyCream | (1) key's are tokens -- no spaces |
| 06:45.08 | BZFlag56k | I'd rather see printLocalString("Join Game"); |
| 06:45.11 | MrApathyCream | (2) didn't use huge keys |
| 06:45.46 | MrApathyCream | That sort of breaks down, when you have paragraphs of help |
| 06:46.11 | BZFlag56k | it makes the international files larger, but when you are translating, you probably want the full english text to translatre from anyway. |
| 06:46.39 | MrApathyCream | Well, currently full english is in bzflag.l10n (the base language file) |
| 06:46.49 | MrApathyCream | Thus, translators don't need to root around in the code |
| 06:47.17 | BZFlag56k | l10n? localization? |
| 06:47.20 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:48.36 | MrApathyCream | <BZFlag56K>: I'd rather see printLocalString("Join Game") |
| 06:48.46 | MrApathyCream | did you mean, having the space, or the name printLocalString |
| 06:49.42 | BZFlag56k | I assume that programmers will speak/read english at some level. having the full text in the code is thus easier to read/follow. I realise it will make a larger binary and larger non-default translation files, but I don't mind the additional overhead for that too much. |
| 06:50.13 | BZFlag56k | MrApathyCream: having the full text, and having any/all display functions include the lookup. |
| 06:50.15 | MrApathyCream | Well, That's fine, but it means you are going to use rather long strings as key lookups |
| 06:50.51 | MrApathyCream | It also means you will allow spaces etc, in the key, which means we need another seperator charactor to distinquish key from value in language files |
| 06:50.53 | BZFlag56k | ie: I don't want to do a lookup on the string first, then call a display routine every time I want to show a message. |
| 06:51.14 | MrApathyCream | Well, it's not just print... it's add it to a menu, or |
| 06:51.17 | MrApathyCream | ... |
| 06:51.32 | CaptainPistachio | MrApathyCream: can you dcc me a sample language file? |
| 06:51.35 | BZFlag56k | the code should be clean with just a display call for "Join Game" and then have the translation happen in the display function. |
| 06:51.51 | BZFlag56k | right. but there are less calls than places that call them. |
| 06:52.19 | MrApathyCream | CaptainPistachio: sent |
| 06:52.33 | CaptainPistachio | ok i see how this works |
| 06:52.43 | CaptainPistachio | i dunno, i kind of like apathy's idea |
| 06:52.44 | CaptainPistachio | :P |
| 06:53.49 | CaptainPistachio | hey lookee there |
| 06:53.50 | CaptainPistachio | 2003 |
| 06:54.27 | MrApathyCream | That's fine.. so long as you think the map lookup's with long strings aren't going to be a problem |
| 06:54.27 | BZFlag56k | I'll look at the patch when I get back. If you are doing the work, I'll likely take it however you do it as long as it does not make the code unreadable. ;-) |
| 06:54.55 | MrApathyCream | Suggestions for a char to separate keys from values? |
| 06:55.02 | CaptainPistachio | undreadable code...thats funny |
| 06:55.10 | MrApathyCream | --read never used in strings |
| 06:55.19 | BZFlag56k | I would assume we do a sort on the keys and then a bsearch or similar. should be quick no matter how large the keys. |
| 06:55.20 | CaptainPistachio | MrApathyCream: tab? |
| 06:55.40 | MrApathyCream | yes, map is a tree based algo |
| 06:55.59 | MrApathyCream | CaptainPistachio: i don't like tab. |
| 06:56.12 | MrApathyCream | one should assume language translators aren't that savvy |
| 06:56.47 | MrApathyCream | I don't want to play the 'find the non-tab' in this file, game. |
| 06:56.51 | BZFlag56k | should account for utf8 or unicode down the road. |
| 06:56.56 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:57.05 | CaptainPistachio | MrApathyCream: \0 ;) |
| 06:57.07 | MrApathyCream | \uXXXX in language files ok? |
| 06:57.19 | BZFlag56k | I'd prefer a simple binary format that get's compiled during the build. |
| 06:57.33 | MrApathyCream | how do translators make a binary format? |
| 06:57.52 | CaptainPistachio | <BZFlag56k> ...that get's compiled during the build. |
| 06:57.56 | BZFlag56k | they use the included build app that the Makefiles use. |
| 06:58.00 | sussudio | msgfmt...... |
| 06:58.31 | BZFlag56k | so key\ntranslation\nkey... should be ok. |
| 06:58.53 | BZFlag56k | need one pair per "paragraph" in the code. |
| 06:59.24 | MrApathyCream | well, now that we have exact strings in code, we won't be doing the paragraph thingy i suppose |
| 06:59.50 | MrApathyCream | mmm, i dunno. |
| 06:59.57 | sussudio | msgid "Number of files in folder '%s': %i\n" |
| 06:59.57 | sussudio | msgstr "Anzahl der Dateien im Verzeichnis »%s«: %i\n" |
| 07:00.12 | MrApathyCream | Translators are going to have to insure that the exact 40 character string is used in the language file |
| 07:00.22 | MrApathyCream | (as a key) |
| 07:00.25 | MrApathyCream | seems scary to me |
| 07:01.23 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: can't assume string concatenation ordering like that, it will bite you |
| 07:01.41 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: why re-invent the wheel? |
| 07:01.52 | MrApathyCream | Because you can't do it that way |
| 07:02.04 | sussudio | about every project on sourceforge does. |
| 07:02.05 | MrApathyCream | different languages order phrases differently |
| 07:02.21 | MrApathyCream | Need to use a positional-ordered format |
| 07:02.43 | MrApathyCream | Number of file in folder {1}: {2} |
| 07:02.54 | MrApathyCream | so that another language can do |
| 07:03.03 | MrApathyCream | {2} files in folder {1} |
| 07:03.13 | MrApathyCream | -- a silly example, but hopefully you get my point |
| 07:03.20 | sussudio | no |
| 07:03.39 | sussudio | there's already a widely-used format for language files |
| 07:04.03 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: BZFlag doesn't want to do it that way |
| 07:04.12 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: That's sort of what i did |
| 07:04.16 | MrApathyCream | (without the parms) |
| 07:04.19 | sussudio | blah |
| 07:04.22 | MrApathyCream | He wants |
| 07:04.40 | MrApathyCream | Number of file in folder [#] Anzah der Dateien... |
| 07:04.49 | MrApathyCream | where [#] is some unique separator |
| 07:05.02 | MrApathyCream | I did what you said, have a token as key |
| 07:07.06 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:08.50 | BZFlag56k | what are "widely-used format" s? |
| 07:09.02 | sussudio | .po files |
| 07:09.08 | MrApathyCream | I copied java based resource bundles |
| 07:09.13 | MrApathyCream | format |
| 07:11.41 | BZFlag56k | .mo files are the same? gnu message format? |
| 07:12.00 | sussudio | yeah probably...... you make them with msgfmt |
| 07:12.56 | BZFlag56k | sounds like a good thing. either/both in utf8? |
| 07:13.08 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 07:13.42 | sussudio | msgfmt - compile message catalog to binary format |
| 07:14.31 | sussudio | doesnt mention utf8 |
| 07:15.52 | scanline | I don't think gettext specifies what format the messages are in, but UTF-8 would be good |
| 07:18.01 | BZFlag56k | looks like msgfmt does expect/support utf8 |
| 07:18.49 | CaptainPistachio | this is all well and good |
| 07:18.56 | CaptainPistachio | but how are we going to -render- utf8? |
| 07:19.08 | scanline | :) |
| 07:19.11 | MrApathyCream | utf8 is only a file based format, need to convert to unicode |
| 07:19.13 | MrApathyCream | on read |
| 07:19.26 | MrApathyCream | for 7 bit, there the same of course |
| 07:19.39 | BZFlag56k | CaptainPistachio: that's not solved yet. I just don't want to have to redo this part when we get around to it. |
| 07:20.14 | BZFlag56k | at present the files should only contain ascii. NOT iso latin1! |
| 07:20.47 | BZFlag56k | ie: don't expect a jp version any time soon. |
| 07:23.29 | BZFlag56k | well, I'm headed offline. cya! |
| 07:23.33 | MrApathyCream | well my puppies are squeaking, nite, welcome back BZFlag; http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/annie_cory.jpg |
| 07:24.23 | BZFlag56k | MrApathyCream: I see something other than grey hair in that picture. ;-) |
| 07:26.09 | MrApathyCream | granddaughter |
| 07:26.41 | CaptainPistachio | geez MrApathyCream |
| 07:26.44 | CaptainPistachio | we know nothing about you |
| 07:28.07 | MrApathyCream | niteynite |
| 08:44.11 | sussudio | who is "24-41-39-170.attbi.cable.earthlink.net" and why is he appearently a bzcop who doesnt know the basic admin commands? |
| 08:54.11 | CaptainPistachio | sussudio: ? |
| 08:58.20 | sussudio | hm? |
| 08:58.39 | sussudio | someone was whining about how to reset flags |
| 08:58.54 | sussudio | i don't remember seeing a "yo momma" on the bzcop list either :-| |
| 08:58.56 | captain_proton | where when whom |
| 08:59.02 | sussudio | noodleroni |
| 08:59.19 | sussudio | anyway i'm not going there while that map is up |
| 08:59.20 | sussudio | it's nuts |
| 08:59.28 | captain_proton | do you have access to the bzcop list? |
| 08:59.31 | sussudio | yeah |
| 08:59.35 | sussudio | there's 2 spiffs in there. |
| 08:59.39 | sussudio | the horror |
| 08:59.58 | sussudio | bzcop list doesnt list ip numbers...... |
| 09:00.03 | captain_proton | can you pm me a list of who all is in the club now? |
| 09:00.10 | sussudio | mkay |
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| 12:58.43 | scanline | because I've noticed your music announcements in here a lot and wondered why |
| 12:59.11 | sussudio | a mystery that will never be revealed |
| 12:59.34 | scanline | that's nice |
| 13:23.34 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.47 | sussudio | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=49414&cid=4993243 |
| 13:23.50 | sussudio | damn you moderators |
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| 13:36.54 | strayer | hi |
| 13:37.14 | Secret_Hamster | hi <insert your nick here>, how are your hows the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really |
| 13:37.50 | Secret_Hamster | so who's actually awake then |
| 13:38.00 | bzgirl | is everyone hungover today? :) |
| 13:40.17 | strayer | bzgirl: never had a hungover....I can drink what or as much I wanna :)) |
| 13:41.07 | bzgirl | strayer: i cant :( |
| 13:41.57 | strayer | ohh...poor U...nobody is perfect (I hate this phrase...but I like to use it...hehe) |
| 13:46.33 | Secret_Hamster | nope not hungover at all. I never get hangovers |
| 13:46.52 | sussudio | me neither, i don't drink alcohol |
| 13:46.56 | bzgirl | listen to all you tough guys...! |
| 13:47.19 | sussudio | yeah drinking is really 'tough' |
| 13:47.21 | Secret_Hamster | I drink like a fish, but I never get hangovers. usually if I drink too much I throw up |
| 13:47.38 | sussudio | alcohol is also a diurrethic |
| 13:47.48 | sussudio | so it goes both ways |
| 13:48.09 | Secret_Hamster | huh, too big a word for me to understand |
| 13:48.23 | sussudio | booze make poop go fast |
| 13:48.48 | strayer | not always... |
| 13:49.02 | Secret_Hamster | well I have that problem anyway. My metabolism is so fast I eat loads, most of it just seems to come out the other end |
| 13:49.36 | calico | was everyones new years resolution not to play ducati :) |
| 13:49.52 | bzgirl | mine was |
| 13:49.57 | fiberchunks | pardon, but diuretics are not laxatives - diuretics make you urinate more |
| 13:50.17 | Secret_Hamster | I've only ever had one black out. that was after about 2 litres of Gin, a few bottles beer and some cider |
| 13:50.37 | Secret_Hamster | The cider was a big mistake, it never sits well with me |
| 13:50.44 | Secret_Hamster | too gassy |
| 13:50.44 | strayer | calico: no 'new years resolutions' I will not keep up :) |
| 13:50.46 | Secret_Hamster | brb |
| 13:51.03 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: your correct |
| 13:51.45 | fiberchunks | happy 2003 y'all -- how was everyone's new years festivities? |
| 13:52.38 | strayer | fiberchunks: thx...dito > I am ill...so I stayed at home this year with my family.... |
| 13:52.48 | strayer | :( |
| 13:53.00 | fiberchunks | heh, I watched movies and drank a handle of tequila :) |
| 13:53.31 | strayer | do U know now which movies U watched after all? :) |
| 13:54.08 | fiberchunks | oh yeah ... minority report, natl lampoons vacation, and a couple others I can't remember ;) |
| 13:54.18 | strayer | hehe.... |
| 13:57.18 | sussudio | or a couple you don't want to remember |
| 13:57.38 | sussudio | "i cant believe i spent 3 hours watching 'meet joe black'" |
| 13:59.03 | Secret_Hamster | We watched Ice Age. it was crap |
| 13:59.14 | fiberchunks | heh, I watched one called 'altered states' with a young John Hurt - quite odd movie -- need to be high to really appreciate it, I think :\ |
| 13:59.25 | fiberchunks | my kid loves that movie :( |
| 13:59.26 | Secret_Hamster | The only decent thing was the red wine I was drinking |
| 13:59.33 | fiberchunks | more Disney cruft |
| 13:59.59 | Secret_Hamster | Yea, real disney cutsie thing with barely a sensible plot |
| 14:00.16 | Secret_Hamster | the caharacters were awful |
| 14:00.28 | fiberchunks | it's not about storyline anymore -- profit and marketability rule the roost, imho |
| 14:00.37 | Secret_Hamster | I have to say I still think Shrek is the worst movie I've ever seen |
| 14:01.06 | sussudio | worse than "troop beverly hills"? |
| 14:02.10 | fiberchunks | satellite tv coming to my house in 2 days -- and then: nothing but science channel and pbs for the kid -- the other channels really suck |
| 14:06.20 | Secret_Hamster | not seen troop beverly hills |
| 14:06.45 | Secret_Hamster | I'm not a big movie fan. Most of the plots are so paper thin they annoyme |
| 14:07.33 | Secret_Hamster | I like films that make me think. That have a reality base to them. Like the majority of the time the bad guys win, not the good guys. |
| 14:07.43 | Secret_Hamster | Good guys carry to much baggae to win |
| 14:07.54 | Secret_Hamster | s/baggae/baggage |
| 14:08.42 | Secret_Hamster | The bad guys win because they'll do anything to win. Which is why politicians will never represent the populance. |
| 14:09.27 | Secret_Hamster | The ones you want to elect have the ruthlessness or guts to get to the top. The ones who WANT the power will do anything to claw their way to the top |
| 14:12.42 | Secret_Hamster | Ps been editing my map further |
| 14:13.00 | Secret_Hamster | can be found at 81.96.173.201 port 17200 |
| 14:31.03 | strayer | Secret_Hamster: wow....bad flags for 2 minutes....thats cray< :) |
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| 14:32.17 | strayer | Secret_Hamster: it's an interesting map....U can allow there 6 players for one team |
| 14:34.35 | Secret_Hamster | evil :) |
| 14:35.04 | Secret_Hamster | yea you need the 6 players to cover all the angles and be able to attack |
| 14:35.38 | strayer | right...that was my intension |
| 14:36.55 | Secret_Hamster | The bad flag thing was to give a team an advantage, and to make you think twice about picking up a flag |
| 14:37.39 | Secret_Hamster | plus I'm fedup of most places droppping them within seconds. You either die in that time anyway or hide |
| 14:37.51 | Secret_Hamster | In this game you can't hide for two minutes |
| 14:38.06 | Secret_Hamster | so it's wither get the antidote flag, or live with it |
| 14:38.16 | strayer | yep |
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| 14:54.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 14:59.49 | Secret_Hamster | [TeA|TrEE]: hey edited the map a little more |
| 14:59.50 | strayer | [TeA|TrEE]: hiho |
| 15:00.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | aah |
| 15:00.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 15:00.47 | strayer | zuviel gesoffen? ;) |
| 15:00.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | yep |
| 15:00.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 15:01.06 | Secret_Hamster | fertig = tired? |
| 15:01.13 | strayer | hehe....jedem, was er verdient |
| 15:01.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | grml |
| 15:01.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | hamster , quite |
| 15:01.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 15:01.53 | strayer | fertig=to be buggered |
| 15:01.58 | strayer | or so... |
| 15:02.00 | Secret_Hamster | German yes? |
| 15:02.06 | strayer | yupp |
| 15:02.12 | Secret_Hamster | or rather Deutch |
| 15:02.24 | Secret_Hamster | I used to know some German |
| 15:02.35 | strayer | aha |
| 15:02.44 | Secret_Hamster | hum theres and 's' in there somewhere isn't there |
| 15:03.20 | strayer | pardon? |
| 15:03.28 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 15:03.35 | Secret_Hamster | I was terrible at languages. I only did German so not to study hisotry |
| 15:03.49 | strayer | hehe |
| 15:03.58 | Secret_Hamster | in Deutch isn't the an 's'. It doesn't look right to me |
| 15:04.09 | strayer | [TeA|TrEE]: ich wuensche dir noch ein gesundes neues jahr... :) |
| 15:04.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | danke dir auch |
| 15:04.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 15:04.23 | strayer | yeah...'Deutsch' |
| 15:04.31 | strayer | thx tea |
| 15:04.41 | Secret_Hamster | I picked German so I could talk to the Germans on holiday. I never could though. They ended up speaing in english to me! |
| 15:05.14 | Secret_Hamster | i ah new it. Thought is was that spelling. Messed up the first time |
| 15:05.35 | strayer | np... |
| 15:06.28 | Secret_Hamster | i'm quite jealous of people who can speak more than one language |
| 15:06.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 15:06.51 | Secret_Hamster | i can barely speak my own properly |
| 15:07.33 | strayer | Secret_Hamster: haha.... |
| 15:09.57 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: what's stopping you from starting a course in swahili? |
| 15:10.34 | strayer | but if U speak english, it if U speak english it is't absolutely necessary to learn another one cause the world has to speak english/american |
| 15:10.47 | strayer | @ Secret_Hamster ....but it carries weight (or so..) |
| 15:11.31 | strayer | sussudio: how many poeple speak this language?...it doesnt make any sense to learn it...isn't it? |
| 15:11.41 | Secret_Hamster | puts you at a disadvantage |
| 15:11.44 | sussudio | strayer: millions of africans |
| 15:11.59 | strayer | oups....ok...it does make sense |
| 15:12.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | can u be quite? |
| 15:12.19 | [TeA|TrEE] | wahnsinn |
| 15:12.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | ihr labert |
| 15:12.28 | Secret_Hamster | you can come to england and get a job here. I can't go to europe and get a job there as I don't speak any ohter language |
| 15:12.32 | strayer | das kann ich besonders gut.. :) |
| 15:12.32 | sussudio | #1 language is mandarin...... |
| 15:12.35 | sussudio | #2 spanish |
| 15:12.37 | sussudio | #3 english |
| 15:13.04 | Secret_Hamster | however the most widely spoken language is english |
| 15:13.11 | sussudio | no it's not |
| 15:13.14 | sussudio | that's just what i said |
| 15:13.25 | strayer | nspanish would be interesting 4 me |
| 15:13.32 | Secret_Hamster | yes it is. It's spoken in every country in the world |
| 15:13.33 | strayer | ...but i am to lazy |
| 15:13.42 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: it's called denial. it is -not-. |
| 15:14.27 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: yes it is. The international language for air traffic control is english |
| 15:14.51 | sussudio | "internation language for air traffic control" =! most widely spoken language |
| 15:15.15 | Secret_Hamster | spoken all over the world, in every country |
| 15:15.23 | sussudio | get over it, you silly american |
| 15:15.36 | strayer | :) |
| 15:16.13 | Secret_Hamster | Plus it's spoken on all sides of the world, northern and southern hemispheres. It's the highest official langangue of countries |
| 15:16.30 | Secret_Hamster | Who says I'm american? |
| 15:16.32 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: no, it isnt |
| 15:16.46 | strayer | ibot: seen widget |
| 15:16.50 | | widget <me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 13h 19m 35s ago, saying: 'hihihi'. |
| 15:18.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | where is he? |
| 15:19.05 | sussudio | he who |
| 15:20.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | Widget |
| 15:20.14 | strayer | Widget is a her |
| 15:20.15 | sussudio | widgetwoman? |
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| 15:38.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | http://www.die3sphaere.de/bilder-galerie/java/java6/java-bild-6.html |
| 15:41.49 | strayer | a nice one..... |
| 15:47.22 | [TeA|TrEE] | hehe |
| 15:47.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | http://www.die3sphaere.de/bilder-galerie/java/java6/java-bild-6.html |
| 15:47.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | http://www.die3sphaere.de/bilder-galerie/java/java6/java-bild-5.html |
| 15:47.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | thats good |
| 15:47.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | aswell |
| 15:47.42 | [TeA|TrEE] | 5 |
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| 16:36.47 | Ruudi | ducati! |
| 16:38.47 | Cell | Ruudi you know M. Meier |
| 16:38.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:41.53 | strayer | bye all... |
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| 17:21.35 | jzaun | morning/afternoon all |
| 17:27.48 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 17:28.41 | jzaun | hows it going today? |
| 17:31.54 | Patlabor221 | so MAC what is your l337 thing in the topic? |
| 17:31.55 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 17:32.19 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag to support other languages (including l33t ;)) |
| 17:32.37 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:32.39 | Patlabor221 | unicode |
| 17:32.47 | MrApathyCream | not yet... Just 7 bit for now |
| 17:32.51 | MrApathyCream | but eventually |
| 17:33.56 | MrApathyCream | we at least get german, french, spanish, lee7 |
| 17:34.27 | Patlabor221 | sw3337 |
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| 17:50.52 | Cell | lo |
| 17:51.39 | Patlabor221 | hung over? |
| 17:52.22 | Cell | i said to me this yer i will only eat fruits |
| 17:53.45 | Cell | until now my intention is not broken, so 364 days to go :) |
| 17:55.56 | bzdoug_ | only fruits? |
| 17:55.58 | Cell | and i want to get my game done before July, so it gets popular before xmas and i get some money |
| 17:56.01 | bzdoug_ | ick |
| 17:56.14 | bzdoug_ | hum |
| 17:56.30 | Patlabor221 | your game could be done 2d |
| 17:56.37 | Patlabor221 | just bust it out with clanLib |
| 17:56.43 | Cell | yes i first wnated to do it 2d |
| 17:57.13 | Cell | but skeletal animation gives me more possibilities and less less data |
| 17:58.09 | Cell | clanLib? |
| 17:58.19 | Patlabor221 | 2d tile based lib |
| 17:58.32 | Cell | oh ,look at it |
| 17:59.06 | Cell | of coz then i would get a wider publicum |
| 17:59.11 | Cell | then with 3d |
| 17:59.51 | Cell | ibot x en de publikum |
| 18:00.10 | Cell | ibot x de en publikum |
| 18:00.31 | Cell | no audience |
| 18:01.29 | bzdoug_ | ~x en de microsoft |
| 18:01.44 | bzdoug_ | ~x en de micro soft |
| 18:01.55 | bzdoug_ | hmm, that sounds better |
| 18:01.56 | Cell | :) |
| 18:02.07 | Patlabor221 | it's a company name, you can't translate it |
| 18:02.27 | bzdoug_ | ~x de en hecka man |
| 18:13.58 | Cell | my other celeroncomputer does not work: we apologize for the inconvience but windows did not start successfully. A recent hardware or software change might have caused this. |
| 18:14.26 | Cell | i get tht error messsage right before it starts to boot |
| 18:14.36 | Patlabor221 | drive->take_a_shit() |
| 18:14.56 | Cell | its damaged? |
| 18:15.02 | bzdoug_ | computer->trash |
| 18:15.09 | Patlabor221 | run the drive tools from the mfg on it |
| 18:15.14 | Patlabor221 | it may just be a formating thing |
| 18:15.23 | Patlabor221 | what version of windows is it? |
| 18:15.27 | Cell | xp |
| 18:15.37 | Patlabor221 | was that drive in a nother system recenlty? |
| 18:15.41 | bzdoug_ | install linux and it will fix EVERYTHING! |
| 18:15.45 | Cell | no |
| 18:15.52 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:15.55 | Patlabor221 | then run the disk tools |
| 18:16.09 | Cell | where are they? |
| 18:16.19 | Patlabor221 | who made your drive? |
| 18:16.28 | Cell | wait |
| 18:16.53 | Cell | ibm |
| 18:17.11 | Patlabor221 | then hit IBMs site and get there disk tools |
| 18:17.32 | Cell | have to get them onto floppy disk? |
| 18:17.45 | bzdoug_ | I bet |
| 18:17.47 | Patlabor221 | usualy you get a utility that will make a disk for you |
| 18:17.55 | Patlabor221 | you need something to boot to |
| 18:18.02 | Cell | ok |
| 18:18.27 | Cell | or should i take out the hd and try it with another computer |
| 18:18.54 | Cell | to test if it is really responsible for that trouble |
| 18:19.23 | Cell | i hate that |
| 18:19.26 | bzdoug_ | I would do the software first |
| 18:19.29 | bzdoug_ | then the hardware |
| 18:19.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
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| 18:33.17 | Cell | i dont have enough energy to deal with that old stuff |
| 18:33.58 | Cell | i go tv |
| 18:44.26 | Cell | ups i ate almost a whole avocado due to a massive frustration caused by that pc mess |
| 18:50.22 | Cell | anybody knows an irc url where they are discussing hardcore scientific topics(math and practical computer science) so i could get some help with my tooth editor? |
| 18:50.51 | Cell | and dont have to bother you |
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| 18:57.00 | ak|ra | hey all |
| 18:57.02 | Cell | ok i have done an FFT on my mesh data and filtert out the high frequencies and then transformed back(IFFT) to get rid of the rustle and get a C1 looking surface |
| 18:58.28 | Cell | now next i computed the average gaussian curvature, because i want to make areas surraunded by high curvature to tend tofards a corner |
| 18:59.30 | Cell | but this approach does not work that well, because it is to localiced, a greedy like aproach |
| 19:00.56 | Cell | i make a picture that shows it better |
| 19:01.05 | Cell | then i can explain |
| 19:11.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 19:12.58 | hardwire | http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotage/vision_sabotage.asp |
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| 19:14.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 19:16.00 | hardwire | bad evil stuff |
| 19:16.45 | Cell | here is a pic: http://80.128.61.164/toothrec.gif |
| 19:17.33 | hardwire | inverse fft? |
| 19:17.57 | Cell | inverse fast fourier transform |
| 19:19.04 | hardwire | yeah |
| 19:19.12 | hardwire | never knew there was a purpose for an inverse |
| 19:19.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | what the hell |
| 19:19.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotage/vision_sabotage.asp |
| 19:19.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | thats mad |
| 19:19.54 | hardwire | yes it is |
| 19:19.57 | Cell | yes it uses the same algorithm |
| 19:20.17 | Cell | is called IFFT |
| 19:21.26 | hardwire | ' |
| 19:21.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | moep |
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| 19:22.54 | hardwire | hi |
| 19:24.18 | Cell | [TeA|TrEE]:plate 6 i cant see anything on it! |
| 19:43.48 | Cell | the bad thing that for example on a circle you cannot say which points are candidates of beeing corner points |
| 19:43.58 | Cell | on a perfect circle |
| 19:50.43 | ak|ra | its called "a perfect circle" ... my little hollow |
| 19:51.30 | Cell | someone knows how to construct the thightest bounding box of a mesh in 3d space? |
| 19:52.24 | Cell | i mean not an aabbox |
| 20:01.44 | Cell | ok, that does not seem to be an easy task |
| 20:02.29 | jzaun | Is there anyway to get the team the a LocalPlayer is on? |
| 20:02.50 | jzaun | there is no LocalPlayer->getTeam() that I can see |
| 20:02.56 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:05.51 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: ya there? |
| 20:06.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | moep |
| 20:11.41 | bzdoug_ | A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. |
| 20:11.55 | Cell | ok im away, find nice irc's |
| 20:12.15 | bzdoug_ | You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to taxi to the ramp |
| 20:21.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:21.43 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 20:36.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 20:50.47 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 20:50.49 | bzdouggg | strange |
| 20:51.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | moep |
| 20:57.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 21:32.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 21:32.11 | [TeA|TrEE] | M_A_C |
| 21:49.01 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl5x87.chesco.com) |
| 21:56.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 22:08.45 | *** join/#bzflag MortimeR (~MortimeR@80.103.154.33) |
| 22:26.01 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (alton@p50803DA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:26.03 | Cell | lo |
| 22:26.06 | [TeA|TrEE] | moep |
| 22:26.18 | Cell | someone is using MultiProxy? |
| 22:26.38 | Cell | from www.multiproxy.com |
| 22:26.50 | Cell | from www.multiproxy.org, sorry |
| 22:29.59 | Cell | can ip trace detect if you are using a proxy, i quess no? |
| 22:30.20 | captain_proton | ip trace? |
| 22:30.28 | captain_proton | you mean tracing the route? |
| 22:30.30 | Cell | ping |
| 22:30.41 | Cell | yes with changed time to live |
| 22:31.02 | Cell | ha? |
| 22:31.03 | scanline | morning |
| 22:31.17 | captain_proton | morning scanline! |
| 22:31.34 | Cell | captain_proton: yws i mean tracing the route |
| 22:31.39 | scanline | :) |
| 22:31.51 | captain_proton | sure, traceroutes are easy enough to detect |
| 22:32.31 | scanline | You have to remember that a traceroute won't work if you don't stay on the line long enough, and it requires a big suitcase-sized thing that runs MovieOS |
| 22:32.44 | Cell | yes i know but they cannot reveal my rral ip address if i use a proxy |
| 22:32.52 | Cell | real ip |
| 22:33.30 | captain_proton | Cell: you can never REALLY make yourself anonymous - why go to the trouble |
| 22:33.31 | captain_proton | ? |
| 22:33.43 | Cell | scanline:i know im stupid, so why u keep remind me |
| 22:34.05 | paul | Cell: the 'proxy' knows your IP address. |
| 22:34.25 | ak|ra | captain_proton: :)) |
| 22:34.29 | Cell | paul: yes it will log it |
| 22:34.32 | ak|ra | captain_proton: hello and happy n y |
| 22:34.37 | paul | Cell: but then the trace is from the proxy to the destination - not from you to the destination. |
| 22:34.57 | paul | gelukkig nieuw jaar - happy new year akira/everyone. |
| 22:37.28 | captain_proton | grumble |
| 22:38.33 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (alton@p50803DA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:40.10 | hardwire | captain_proton AWAY! |
| 22:42.22 | ak|ra | paul: thanx |
| 22:44.52 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (alton@p50803DA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:45.49 | Cell | hm, all the proxies MultiProxie has found do not seem to allow connections to port 6667 |
| 22:49.08 | Cell | someone knows a url; cgi script that will shoe me my ip when using ie |
| 22:49.10 | Cell | ? |
| 22:50.10 | Cell | i just wanna see if the proxy settings i made to ie are working |
| 22:53.17 | Cell | wow biotech morphosys made 100% today |
| 22:54.20 | Cell | looks like biotechs gonna rock the next economic wave |
| 22:54.34 | Cell | if it wil come |
| 22:54.40 | captain_proton | people have been saying biotech will be big for about 10 years |
| 22:54.57 | captain_proton | and it has yet to actually happen - they do alright, but not great |
| 22:55.22 | captain_proton | scanline: its likely that i'll be able to install all our dependencies on the onyx tomorrow |
| 22:55.33 | captain_proton | mmmmm |
| 22:55.34 | captain_proton | onyx |
| 22:56.20 | ak|ra | biotech wouldnt improve mankinds moral |
| 22:57.13 | captain_proton | scanline: hopefuly i can charm gwen some more, so if we need some heavier-duty things (hah), we'd be able to use the onyx3k |
| 22:57.42 | captain_proton | oooOOOOoooo |
| 22:57.44 | captain_proton | 4RM pipelines |
| 22:58.01 | Cell | ak|ra: if they could help ppl it would be nice |
| 22:59.34 | ak|ra | Cell: but the really important thing is the moral and the ethic of mankind |
| 22:59.42 | ak|ra | the rest comes later |
| 22:59.46 | Cell | yes thats true |
| 23:01.31 | Cell | but most of us dont have enough moral |
| 23:02.55 | ak|ra | and you are just in front of them :) |
| 23:03.18 | Cell | i know |
| 23:03.40 | ak|ra | Day changed to 02 Jan 2003 |
| 23:04.41 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (alton@p50803DA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:11.07 | scanline | captain_proton: :) |
| 23:15.49 | MrApathyCream | hello [TeA|TrEE] |
| 23:16.57 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: ok, team colors are displayed, need the graphics.zip and diff to get the update. |
| 23:17.24 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: I need to get Patlabor to center BZFlag a bit so that it looks better, but it all works |
| 23:21.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 23:23.26 | MrApathyCream | sw33t |
| 23:24.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | l33t |
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| 23:27.50 | *** join/#bzflag bamf (frootie@alb-24-194-98-76.nycap.rr.com) |
| 23:28.02 | bamf | hola |
| 23:28.11 | jzaun | hi |
| 23:28.17 | bamf | if awake, press "anykey" |
| 23:28.31 | bamf | hi jzaun :) happy new year to you |
| 23:28.33 | jzaun | & |
| 23:28.38 | jzaun | you as well |
| 23:28.41 | bamf | nthx |
| 23:28.50 | bamf | oops, bzflag "n" problem |
| 23:29.30 | captain_proton | heya bamf |
| 23:29.33 | bamf | tea, wake up |
| 23:29.36 | bamf | hi cappie |
| 23:29.43 | bamf | any other mequies? |
| 23:29.56 | bamf | looking for 2 on 2 ctf match |
| 23:29.57 | captain_proton | free's been poking his head out of the sand recently |
| 23:30.09 | bamf | i have another on standby |
| 23:30.12 | bamf | car54 |
| 23:30.14 | captain_proton | right now? |
| 23:30.20 | bamf | ubetcha |
| 23:30.31 | captain_proton | looks like free isn't online |
| 23:30.35 | jzaun | captain_proton: I haven't forgotten about decks, it will be up shortly |
| 23:30.46 | bamf | sounds like the overall theme this evening |
| 23:30.51 | scanline | hmm.. I can't ping bzflag.net |
| 23:30.56 | captain_proton | jzaun: i'm running one on my cable right now |
| 23:30.59 | captain_proton | scanline: no? |
| 23:31.30 | scanline | yep, and it's not just this DSL connection either, I can't ping it from navi |
| 23:31.41 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, looks like attbi is blocking pings (strange) |
| 23:31.46 | captain_proton | but bzflag.net is up |
| 23:31.57 | scanline | oh... so maybe the svn server on it is down? :) |
| 23:32.02 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@pD9E1AAD2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:32.08 | strayer | jzaun? |
| 23:32.09 | captain_proton | scanline: shouldn't be |
| 23:32.13 | jzaun | yup |
| 23:32.50 | captain_proton | [jupiter@babylonia ~]$ telnet bzflag.net 3000 |
| 23:32.51 | captain_proton | Trying 12.253.125.169... |
| 23:32.51 | captain_proton | Connected to bzflag.net. |
| 23:32.51 | captain_proton | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 23:33.15 | captain_proton | scanline: i'm in the middle of an upload to navi (should be done in 7 minutes) so my upstream is pretty full |
| 23:33.16 | jzaun | strayer, whats up? |
| 23:33.29 | scanline | captain_proton: ok |
| 23:33.31 | strayer | jzaun: i was 'playing' with my own online-playerlist now.....found out that an high timeout isn't good |
| 23:33.50 | captain_proton | scanline: speaking of which, you should do some moving around of stuff |
| 23:34.04 | captain_proton | scanline: move the things in /navi/jupiter/series/macgyver into /navi/public/media/series/macgyver |
| 23:34.05 | strayer | jzaun: this is an reason why Ur player-list is sometimes empty or not complete |
| 23:34.11 | scanline | captain_proton: ok |
| 23:34.37 | captain_proton | and shortly, move /navi/jupiter/series/twilightzone-60s to the correct location :) |
| 23:34.38 | scanline | captain_proton: how about I make a group that has read/write in /navi/public/media and put you in it :) |
| 23:34.42 | jzaun | strayer: I've seen that, but the timeout isn't working for me, I have it set to 3 sec. |
| 23:34.47 | captain_proton | scanline: works for me |
| 23:35.12 | jzaun | strayer: what lang is your script in? |
| 23:35.24 | strayer | jzaun: me too (3 sec).....but why is Ur list sometimes empty? |
| 23:35.54 | strayer | jzaun: language? |
| 23:36.03 | jzaun | cause the connection is timed out... it may take 1 or mor min to connect to some lagged server |
| 23:36.13 | jzaun | strayer: perl/php/etc |
| 23:36.18 | scanline | captain_proton: ok, you should have access now |
| 23:36.23 | strayer | jzaun: php |
| 23:36.44 | jzaun | The issue I have is when a server is crapping out, my script just wait and wait and wait |
| 23:36.55 | jzaun | I can't figureout how to make it wait just 3 sec |
| 23:37.05 | strayer | jzaun: hm... |
| 23:37.26 | fiberchunks | couldn't you use some sort of sleep() thing there? |
| 23:37.29 | strayer | how often does Ur skript to connect again? |
| 23:37.39 | captain_proton | jzaun: you need to use non-blocking sockets |
| 23:37.56 | jzaun | strayer: it runs every 4 min. |
| 23:38.03 | jzaun | captain_proton: in php? how? |
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| 23:38.12 | captain_proton | jzaun: *shrug* |
| 23:38.18 | captain_proton | i'm sure its possible in php |
| 23:38.59 | strayer | jzaun: i mean if Ur script tries to connect the not-answering server agian? |
| 23:39.02 | bamf | vbz looking for 2 on 2 match now |
| 23:39.04 | bamf | takers? |
| 23:39.18 | fiberchunks | http://www.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=non-blocking+sockets&lang=en_US |
| 23:39.21 | bamf | there is a zee on ducati |
| 23:39.27 | jzaun | strayer: every 4 min. |
| 23:39.29 | bamf | tea? |
| 23:40.00 | bamf | strayer: any HoW's available? |
| 23:40.26 | strayer | bamf: dunno...havn't seen one |
| 23:40.28 | [TeA|TrEE] | yes |
| 23:40.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | im here |
| 23:40.39 | bamf | tea, want a match? |
| 23:40.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | bamf whats up? |
| 23:40.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | sorry no team kolligs |
| 23:40.49 | bamf | w339 is on duc |
| 23:40.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 23:40.53 | bamf | 2 on 2 |
| 23:40.56 | [TeA|TrEE] | löl |
| 23:41.01 | bamf | go to 5156 |
| 23:41.07 | bamf | cu there |
| 23:41.09 | bamf | we battle |
| 23:41.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | nooo |
| 23:41.12 | bamf | ? |
| 23:41.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | no time |
| 23:41.18 | bamf | 30 min |
| 23:41.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | have to ask fanta |
| 23:41.21 | bamf | plenty of time |
| 23:41.23 | [TeA|TrEE] | maybe |
| 23:41.30 | bamf | it's me and car54 |
| 23:41.33 | bamf | he never plays |
| 23:41.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | jaja |
| 23:42.00 | [TeA|TrEE] | fanta isnt there |
| 23:42.02 | strayer | captain_proton: can U give me a hint...what mean 'non-blocking sockets'? |
| 23:42.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | sorry |
| 23:42.38 | bamf | sure? |
| 23:42.44 | scanline | strayer: they're sockets that don't block |
| 23:42.50 | bamf | i think w339 is interested |
| 23:42.51 | strayer | jzaun: socket_set_blocking...switch it on or off... |
| 23:42.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | well |
| 23:43.03 | bamf | it's all in fun |
| 23:43.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | fanta is the leader |
| 23:43.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | i know :((( |
| 23:43.15 | jzaun | strayer: Will try |
| 23:43.28 | bamf | i don't want to speak for him, he is your team leader... |
| 23:43.28 | strayer | jzaun: me too :) |
| 23:43.29 | jzaun | my box is currently recompileing a kernel so it may not be till tomarrow |
| 23:43.57 | bamf | tea: this should be a good matchup |
| 23:44.11 | bamf | i've had a little too much wine |
| 23:44.20 | bamf | tank is swerving a bit |
| 23:44.20 | captain_proton | strayer: when you do a write(), read(), connect(), etc, it returns immediately |
| 23:44.45 | ak|ra | hello folks |
| 23:44.49 | ak|ra | happy n y |
| 23:45.20 | strayer | ak|ra: thx...dito :)) |
| 23:45.28 | strayer | jzaun: I use PHP 4.0.6 with Apache on windows XP and the functions socket_set_blocking/set_socket_blocking does not work at all with the false (or 0) second parameter. I would like to know if this bug is corrected on the last version. |
| 23:45.41 | strayer | jzaun: A comment from php.net :( |
| 23:46.03 | strayer | jzaun: ... so i cannot test ist...i use winXP |
| 23:47.44 | bamf | tea? |
| 23:48.01 | bamf | hi akira, hny2u2 |
| 23:48.13 | jzaun | strayer: Sorry to hear your on XP, but I will try it and let you know :-) |
| 23:48.27 | bamf | no tea? |
| 23:49.02 | bamf | tea, if you see this, go to 59999, 2 on 2, unoffical match |
| 23:49.12 | bamf | tea, w339 is there waiting |
| 23:49.16 | bamf | later folks |
| 23:52.00 | strayer | jzaun: thx...btw...can noone change the bzflag-code in that way that the server sends (after the first connect with UDP and a special string) the whole data in xml-code? |
| 23:52.43 | strayer | jzaun; dunno if its difficult to do that but it would be much faster then... |
| 23:52.46 | jzaun | strayer: heh, captain_proton would be the cone to ask about that |
| 23:52.48 | captain_proton | strayer: patches welcome ;-) |
| 23:53.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | mope |
| 23:53.17 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 23:53.19 | [TeA|TrEE] | moep |
| 23:53.23 | strayer | captain_proton: I can only give U ideas for patches...but nothing more :) |
| 23:53.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | löl |
| 23:53.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 23:53.40 | | i don't know, [TeA|TrEE] |
| 23:53.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 23:55.28 | strayer | captain_proton: tell me please, would it be that difficult to realize my utopic ideas? |
