| 00:06.55 | *** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip86.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 00:11.04 | jzaun | cap, when opacity is all the way up, what happens? It looks like the view shrinks to the top 2/3rds of the screen, is there any way to make it not do that? |
| 00:11.28 | captain_proton | nope |
| 00:11.40 | captain_proton | when opacity is 100%, it shrinks the view so that a bunch of rendering optimizations can be done |
| 00:13.06 | jzaun | ok, prgrammatically, where is that done at? I would like to change it, it shrinks it a bit to much for the new hud |
| 00:13.22 | captain_proton | done somewhere in HUDui i think |
| 00:13.51 | captain_proton | jzaun: would you be willing to host decks again? : |
| 00:13.53 | captain_proton | :P |
| 00:14.29 | jzaun | yah |
| 00:14.54 | jzaun | no one hosting it now? |
| 00:15.07 | captain_proton | yeah, had someone running it but they stopped |
| 00:15.20 | jzaun | there is nothing in HUDui about opacity |
| 00:15.24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: see bzemail? |
| 00:15.36 | MrApathyCream | Hudrenderer |
| 00:16.28 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: <bugs mail list> |
| 00:16.54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i glanced over it but didn't really pay attention |
| 00:19.42 | MrApathyCream | something messed up with the new vector code |
| 00:20.21 | MrApathyCream | Can you join bzflag.hashmark.net with new client? |
| 00:21.06 | captain_proton | ya |
| 00:21.11 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 00:21.23 | MrApathyCream | this isn't going to be easy to figure out :( |
| 00:22.17 | MrApathyCream | std:: is particularly known for not being easily debuggable, let along hundreds of bz obstacles |
| 00:23.04 | *** part/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip86.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 00:27.08 | jzaun | Is the resize done in setFullView (Ln 116 in MainWindow.cxx) called from Ln 144 in SceneRenderer.cxx with the actual dimentions changing in MainWindow.cxx Ln 139? |
| 00:45.45 | MrApathyCream | ah found it, naughty naught captain_proton |
| 00:49.05 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 00:49.19 | MrApathyCream | :) see checkin |
| 00:49.40 | captain_proton | eep |
| 01:05.21 | MrApathyCream | someone was either a genious or on acid while writing that region code |
| 01:05.46 | captain_proton | how about a genius on acid? |
| 01:05.47 | captain_proton | ! |
| 01:08.43 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 01:12.56 | hardwire | hi |
| 01:13.04 | bzdoug_ | ho ho ho |
| 01:13.43 | jzaun | what DVDs ya get? |
| 01:13.50 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:13.57 | bzdoug_ | one, and I forget the name |
| 01:14.09 | jzaun | must be a good one then :-P |
| 01:14.12 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 01:14.15 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream: ah |
| 01:14.32 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream: goes well with your stove? |
| 01:14.59 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 01:15.08 | bzdoug_ | you call that "gifts" |
| 01:15.15 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 01:15.18 | jzaun | :-P |
| 01:15.28 | jzaun | just need TNG 7 now |
| 01:15.37 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:15.44 | bzdoug_ | kazaa anyone? |
| 01:15.50 | jzaun | then I get to start on the Highlander series |
| 01:15.51 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:16.51 | bzdoug_ | it gets all the songs together and lables them, then makes an mp3 cd |
| 01:17.43 | MrApathyCream | MrsApathyCream is a big highlander fan |
| 01:17.56 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 01:17.56 | jzaun | what about Mr? |
| 01:18.02 | MrApathyCream | ehh |
| 01:18.05 | bzdoug_ | what about the cat? |
| 01:18.09 | MrApathyCream | apathetic |
| 01:18.13 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:18.27 | jzaun | MrA, what shows do you like? |
| 01:18.33 | jzaun | drama? |
| 01:18.36 | jzaun | chick flicks? |
| 01:21.37 | jzaun | scifi? action? |
| 01:23.38 | bzdoug_ | off |
| 01:24.10 | jzaun | on |
| 01:25.02 | bzdoug_ | Sorry, we're unable to honor gift cards as a method of payment online at this time. |
| 01:25.06 | bzdoug_ | well there ya go |
| 01:27.41 | bzdoug_ | mp3 players eat them up like ice cream on a hood of a ford escalade in florida in july with the engine runnin |
| 01:30.08 | scanline | captain_proton: lge-port was segfaulting because it was trying to go into 1600x1200 mode, which I don't have, and wasn't doing any error checking on the mode setting :P |
| 01:34.25 | scanline | captain_proton: it's also not linking with SDL... tossing a `sdl-config --libs` in LDFLAGS does the trick, but I haven't looked for the source of the problem |
| 02:01.36 | MrApathyCream | i don't see well enough to find tv enjoyable |
| 02:02.28 | hardwire | hi |
| 02:07.12 | hardwire | serious sam add on? |
| 02:08.06 | sussudio | no, it's the game where you don't go out and eat pringles instead of turkey |
| 02:10.28 | hardwire | I had turkey.. twice today! |
| 02:10.32 | hardwire | that made up for thanksgiving too |
| 02:10.41 | sussudio | i had 2 cans of pringles |
| 02:10.57 | hardwire | well then |
| 02:11.00 | hardwire | you need pie! |
| 02:31.40 | hardwire | hmm |
| 02:32.06 | hardwire | watching these kids have the computer read to them makes me kinda jealous.. I wanna see pretty pictures and have a computer read me the book |
| 02:33.37 | jzaun | cap when the screen is "srunk" would there be a reason the HUD isn't updated properlly? |
| 02:34.49 | jzaun | cap its like the graphics aren't updated untill say a text message or flag change occures |
| 02:39.19 | MrApathyCream | the console definitely doesn't redraw until then |
| 02:39.29 | jzaun | any way to change that? |
| 02:39.36 | MrApathyCream | why would you wanna? |
| 02:40.00 | jzaun | so the bars and compose messages work again |
| 02:40.56 | MrApathyCream | emm |
| 02:41.49 | MrApathyCream | look for use of variable -> changedMessage |
| 02:41.52 | MrApathyCream | in ControlPanel |
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| 02:42.39 | jzaun | ahh... so if I remove that if, it should work? :-) |
| 02:43.12 | victorvdl | If I grab bzflag from CVS, will I be getting 1.8? |
| 02:43.18 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:43.28 | MrApathyCream | victorvdl: cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 02:43.35 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: yes, should work |
| 02:44.04 | victorvdl | MrApathyCream: Huh? |
| 02:44.20 | jzaun | MAC, that solved it :-), thanks |
| 02:44.21 | MrApathyCream | if you want the 1.7 branch, which is what dev is working on do |
| 02:44.25 | MrApathyCream | victorvdl: cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 02:44.35 | victorvdl | MrApathyCream: What will that do? |
| 02:44.35 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: np |
| 02:44.52 | jzaun | victorvdl: that get you to the latest devel code |
| 02:45.01 | jzaun | victorvdl: 1.8 is abandoned |
| 02:45.16 | victorvdl | jzaun: where can I get 1.8? |
| 02:46.01 | jzaun | just do a cvs co bzflag |
| 02:46.05 | jzaun | that will get 1.8 |
| 02:46.09 | victorvdl | jzaun: ok, thanks. |
| 02:46.15 | jzaun | but its not under development any more |
| 02:48.30 | jzaun | wonder why he would want 1.8 |
| 02:50.12 | fiberchunks | fiddle around prob |
| 03:03.07 | jzaun | who updated the ControlPanel files.... I'm having fun merging the changes into my patched tree ;-) |
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| 03:57.59 | MrApathyCream | thilo/riker are the main ControlPanel folks |
| 04:02.57 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.15 | trepan | oops... |
| 04:37.23 | tvon | Pausing needs to be a server-side option |
| 04:37.26 | tvon | or removed entirely |
| 04:37.28 | tvon | :) |
| 04:37.43 | captain_proton | tvon: patches welcome ;-) |
| 04:38.03 | tvon | even if it consists of /* current code */ |
| 04:38.05 | tvon | ;) |
| 04:38.45 | tvon | ooh |
| 04:38.51 | tvon | stage3 sissy |
| 04:38.52 | tvon | heh |
| 04:39.01 | scanline | I'm short on time |
| 04:39.04 | tvon | I'd love to try gentoo on a g4 or something :) |
| 04:39.05 | captain_proton | scanline: well, it looks like my literary friend will have occasion to be grumpy, so hopefully we'll get something :) |
| 04:39.15 | scanline | captain_proton: haha.. did he get dumped? |
| 04:40.02 | scanline | tvon: I did this machine from stage1, but I need to get linux, lots of libraries and such, and lots of music reinstalled on my laptop before leaving for a road trip in the morning |
| 04:40.14 | tvon | scanline: ouch |
| 04:40.22 | captain_proton | naw, its just that he is off work but his girlfriend isn't - its kinda cute to watch him actually |
| 04:40.23 | scanline | and the laptop still has no keyboard :P |
| 04:40.56 | captain_proton | scanline: yer ibook would look damn sexy with my keyboard attached :) |
| 04:41.38 | scanline | indeed. I have an extra Model M or two, but no PS/2 to USB adaptor that would run on battery power |
| 04:42.01 | scanline | I have a KVM switch with a built-in PS/2 to USB converter.. I could bring that, but it would be a tiny bit cumbersome |
| 04:43.36 | scanline | I'll have an inverter in the car... my laptop would only last about 1/5 of the trip, and my mom's laptop is a Vaio so it would only last 20 minutes or so |
| 04:47.34 | captain_proton | hrm, just misread someone's callsign to be cooler than it really was |
| 04:47.53 | captain_proton | they were "SepticTank" and i thought it was "SkepticTank" |
| 04:48.34 | tvon | hah, yeah, misread is better |
| 04:51.10 | tvon | anyone know how...when an error like this pops up... |
| 04:51.11 | tvon | : multiple definition of `Imlib2::contextSetDrawable(unsigned long)' |
| 04:51.11 | tvon | Imlib2++.o(.text+0x84): first defined here |
| 04:51.26 | tvon | how to get more details about the errors? |
| 04:51.31 | tvon | dunno what I mean really |
| 04:51.31 | tvon | heh |
| 04:51.38 | tvon | but... Imlib2++.o(.text+0x84): first defined here |
| 04:51.42 | scanline | go disassemble Imlib2++.o and figure out what's at 0x84 :P |
| 04:51.44 | tvon | means nothing to me location wise |
| 04:51.51 | tvon | how do I do that? |
| 04:51.52 | scanline | or compile it with -g |
| 04:51.56 | tvon | ah |
| 04:52.13 | scanline | heh, 'objdump --disassemble' is fun |
| 04:52.27 | scanline | you can use it to scare people |
| 04:52.42 | scanline | self modifying code is always fun |
| 04:52.48 | tvon | woohoo! |
| 04:54.10 | tvon | ah -g gives the location of first/second definition |
| 04:54.12 | tvon | schweet |
| 04:54.14 | tvon | scanline: thanks |
| 04:55.16 | tvon | hmm |
| 04:55.19 | tvon | it lies! |
| 04:56.40 | tvon | hah |
| 04:58.26 | scanline | tvon: no problem |
| 04:59.07 | scanline | captain_proton: you can get some plutonium from the libyan nationalists |
| 04:59.37 | captain_proton | scanline: who needs plutonium? i just have to dig around a bit |
| 04:59.50 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 05:20.07 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:24.40 | MrApathyCream | tvon: Riker is dead set against removing pause |
| 05:26.37 | tvon | MrApathyCream: really? lame |
| 05:26.53 | tvon | server-side option perhaps? |
| 05:27.13 | jzaun | then there would be a client side hack :-/ |
| 05:27.14 | MrApathyCream | maybe, but i've tried to get him to remove it a few times |
| 05:27.20 | tvon | oh |
| 05:27.21 | MrApathyCream | but he wants it iin |
| 05:28.16 | tvon | he voice a common argument against removing it? |
| 05:28.33 | MrApathyCream | phone rings, etc. |
| 05:28.40 | MrApathyCream | i don't get it either... pause when you're dead |
| 05:28.47 | tvon | yeah |
| 05:28.58 | tvon | if you want to answer the phone, 1 death wont matter |
| 05:29.00 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:29.15 | fiberchunks | but idle-kick kicks in when you're dead - I don't think it does when you're paused -- correct me if I'm wrong of course |
| 05:29.33 | tvon | change idle-kick then :) |
| 05:29.39 | MrApathyCream | yeah, it seems like idle-kick kicks me most of the time when i'm dead |
| 05:29.42 | MrApathyCream | that seems wrong |
| 05:29.53 | MrApathyCream | don't know about pause |
| 05:29.57 | tvon | I just think paused players cause too many problems.... |
| 05:30.03 | tvon | thats not even considering the abusers |
| 05:30.28 | fiberchunks | well, gm lock mechanism needs some attention, that's for sure (like the ability to cycle through ppl in FOV) |
| 05:30.36 | tvon | yeah |
| 05:30.39 | fiberchunks | and not locking on pausers.. |
| 05:30.42 | tvon | thats my biggest complaint |
| 05:30.58 | fiberchunks | if you could cycle - that would end being a problem |
| 05:31.00 | captain_proton | whoa scanline |
| 05:31.07 | captain_proton | its creepy to watch geomorphing in action |
| 05:31.08 | scanline | ? |
| 05:31.11 | scanline | oh |
| 05:31.29 | tvon | the "I know there is a paused player behind me but there is nothing I can do about it" thing is kinda annoying |
| 05:31.36 | tvon | but not a biggie I suppose |
| 05:31.43 | scanline | captain_proton: svn up again and you'll have a control-panel-thingy to adjust the LOD parameters |
| 05:33.03 | captain_proton | don't suppose you've fixed the assertion crash bug? :) |
| 05:33.15 | scanline | nyet.. the extra debug is in trying to figure out what's causing that |
| 05:33.35 | jzaun | nscanline, whats the 'n' for? |
| 05:33.40 | captain_proton | bah, another header change |
| 05:33.44 | fiberchunks | tvon: i agree -- and hopefully gm cycling will be included by some code wizard soon |
| 05:33.44 | captain_proton | jzaun: 'not yet' |
| 05:33.48 | captain_proton | or 'no' :) |
| 05:34.12 | scanline | I have a suspicion that having nodes in MergeBelow is causing mesh inconsistencies, but that same assertion fails even when I comment out the geomorphing code |
| 05:34.30 | scanline | jzaun: russian or abbreviationese, pick one :) |
| 05:35.13 | fiberchunks | sussudio: but it doesn't just apply to gm -- it also applies to the 'identify' function (which I suppose is one and the same in the code, but I'm not sure) |
| 05:35.13 | scanline | captain_proton: and svn up again to fix the slider direction... only a python change this time :) |
| 05:36.16 | scanline | these ibooks look so weird with no keyboard |
| 05:36.27 | fiberchunks | tablet? |
| 05:36.34 | scanline | no, broken keybooard |
| 05:36.59 | scanline | I ordered a replacement hoping it'd be in by today, but no such luck... I get to use an external keyboard on this road trip |
| 05:37.13 | fiberchunks | ah, bummer |
| 05:38.06 | scanline | oh neat |
| 05:38.13 | scanline | F12 on a normal PC keyboard maps to the eject button |
| 05:38.26 | fiberchunks | lol -- fancy |
| 05:39.30 | captain_proton | scanline: the priority function has to be based on both the tesselation error -and- distance from the camera :) |
| 05:39.57 | scanline | captain_proton: it's tesselation error after projecting into screen coords, so it takes into account distance to camera and angle between the triangle and the camera |
| 05:40.30 | scanline | basically it's measuring the length of that little blue vector in pixels |
| 05:40.31 | captain_proton | hm |
| 05:40.45 | captain_proton | sneaky |
| 05:40.58 | scanline | and that's what the whole bounding prism thing is good for :) |
| 05:41.06 | captain_proton | now, what are the blended white polygons? |
| 05:41.31 | scanline | The culling will be fun... can't use normal triangle culling since a quadtree node's triangle could be completely outside the frustum even if it's bounding prism is in the frustum |
| 05:41.52 | scanline | the white polygons are mergable and enqueued. The color scheme is actually explained in the source right before the #define DEBUG_FILE |
| 05:42.48 | captain_proton | damn thats creepy |
| 05:43.22 | scanline | it's linearly interpolating everything in the BufferedVertex, so it should geomorph texcoords and normals and such just fine |
| 05:43.51 | scanline | we can add to BufferedVertex to support multitexturing |
| 05:46.26 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || Happy Birthday, Sir Isaac Newton |
| 05:46.31 | captain_proton | whoops |
| 05:47.03 | scanline | hehe, this is cool... everything on the ibook supports a USB keyboard just fine, even the firmware |
| 05:47.57 | scanline | just be thankful it isn't slashdot |
| 06:00.44 | sussudio | ~bzfquery www.linuxorbit.com 5155 |
| 06:00.52 | sussudio | Yes Players |
| 06:01.29 | *** join/#bzflag freesource (~user@68.69.6.16) |
| 06:01.56 | freesource | heh hardwire :-) |
| 06:02.34 | freesource | Should the -joystickname /dev/js0 option work or is this unsupported now? |
| 06:03.34 | scanline | captain_proton: I got lge-port to compile and run today, but joystick didn't seem to work |
| 06:03.39 | captain_proton | there's a snowballs chance in hell it'll work, but its probably best to consider it unsupported |
| 06:04.27 | freesource | thanks, I thought that was the case |
| 06:10.05 | sussudio | x |
| 06:21.34 | captain_proton | ibot: 1+1 |
| 06:21.35 | | methinks 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 06:31.27 | sussudio | ~lart kazaa |
| 06:31.36 | scanline | aha |
| 06:43.22 | sussudio | -|- (Led_Zeppelin)_[08]_When_The_Levee_Breaks.mp3 (6,838,358 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 7mins 8secs Genre:Hard Rock Year:1971 Album:Led Zeppelin IV |
| 07:00.59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: dcc me d46? |
| 07:05.53 | captain_proton | wow, busy tonight |
| 07:06.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream must be off playing with his new fog-ring blaster and remote-controlled trampoline |
| 07:08.43 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || "Whoever wrote the region code was either a genius or on acid" |
| 07:17.28 | MrApathyCream | wassa? |
| 07:17.34 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok |
| 07:18.24 | MrApathyCream | heh, nice topic |
| 07:19.02 | captain_proton | now, whats a good set of flags? |
| 07:19.07 | captain_proton | or shall we run flagless? |
| 07:19.25 | captain_proton | scanline: joystick numbah 0 should be the only form of control |
| 07:19.44 | scanline | I get mouse control still |
| 07:20.13 | scanline | hmm... looks like this time it's not drawing the world, just the HUD |
| 07:20.14 | scanline | funky |
| 07:20.14 | MrApathyCream | ST + CL |
| 07:20.54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: how many of each? |
| 07:21.11 | MrApathyCream | 3 of each |
| 07:21.42 | captain_proton | how many shots? |
| 07:21.45 | captain_proton | 4 sound good? |
| 07:21.50 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:22.47 | MrApathyCream | your server? |
| 07:23.02 | captain_proton | ergg |
| 07:23.05 | captain_proton | system just got unstable |
| 07:23.10 | captain_proton | time for a rebootski i guess |
| 07:27.18 | MrApathyCream | if only he had windows |
| 07:28.03 | scanline | sure windows is a good OS, but what can you run on it? |
| 07:28.07 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:28.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 07:29.04 | captain_proton | arf |
| 07:29.10 | captain_proton | ok, now my server |
| 07:32.07 | captain_proton | helloooooo? |
| 07:35.24 | scanline | "Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." |
| 07:39.19 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:44.29 | sussudio | as long as they don't assimilate spiff :-| |
| 07:44.39 | sussudio | "oh species 8472, you were lucky with that shot" |
| 07:45.39 | captain_proton | "but you'd better not keep trying to defend yourselves against assimilation, or else i'll get MAD" |
| 07:45.46 | captain_proton | s/i'll/we'll/ |
| 07:46.17 | sussudio | "we'll use our BZCop powers if you don't go away" |
| 07:49.27 | scanline | We will add your team and CTF scores to our own. Your gameplay will adapt to serve us. Resistance is futile. |
| 07:49.56 | sussudio | Dervish Borg: "you cant play on my cube if you're going to hunt me" |
| 07:50.47 | captain_proton | i'm confused tho |
| 07:50.59 | captain_proton | i get on a server, and there are 3 people GM camping, and noone is doing a thing about it |
| 07:52.39 | MrApathyCream | back |
| 07:53.15 | captain_proton | lessago MrApathyCream |
| 08:37.33 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.67) |
| 08:44.32 | captain_proton | wow...RCAM's website actually looks...good |
| 08:47.48 | captain_proton | bwahahahahaha |
| 08:47.52 | captain_proton | http://gamedev.cs.colorado.edu/news.shtml |
| 08:48.15 | scanline | wow, a news thingy |
| 08:48.39 | scanline | hmm, Til's planning a demo when we come back too >:) |
| 08:49.02 | captain_proton | thought you might find that interesting |
| 08:50.32 | scanline | I should be able to at least get an intermittent modem connection on this trip |
| 08:50.40 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:51.02 | scanline | after I get this gentoo system set up I'll dig around for USWest access numbers |
| 08:51.11 | scanline | last time I checked my old USWest account still worked |
| 08:59.01 | scanline | hrm.. this laptop compiles so slow |
| 09:01.26 | scanline | whoops.. it was stuck in an infinite loop compiling ntp because the clock was set wrong.. ironic |
| 09:14.29 | captain_proton | erg |
| 09:18.50 | scanline | mkofboot: Blessing /dev/hda9 with Holy Penguin Pee... |
| 09:18.50 | scanline | mkofboot: Installation complete. |
| 09:19.05 | captain_proton | haha |
| 09:21.07 | scanline | ah.. there's something soothing about seeing a Mac boot a fresh linux installation |
| 09:22.54 | scanline | maybe it's the fact that it's no longer running MacOS |
| 09:40.13 | sussudio | that will ferrell guy is not funny at all |
| 09:41.26 | sussudio | i aborted it. it took too fucking long to load. |
| 09:41.49 | scanline | that's nice |
| 09:47.04 | captain_proton | http://thisisacryforhelp.com/quiz/pornname2/ |
| 09:49.42 | scanline | grr |
| 09:49.43 | scanline | !!! Error: couldn't find match for || in sys-apps/baselayout-1.8.5.7 |
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| 12:53.44 | strayer | hi :) |
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| 13:25.47 | [TeA] | ibot ducatictf |
| 14:07.09 | strayer | [TeA]: hi :) |
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| 14:37.00 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: Hope you're feeling better |
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| 15:44.01 | bzdoug_ | hmm, I got a neat t-shirt |
| 15:44.44 | bzdoug_ | its black and it says "No, I will not fix your computer" |
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| 17:32.06 | Mardy | Ciao |
| 17:33.19 | Mardy | I'm looking for someone to play in ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
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| 17:56.00 | bzdoug_ | ~country .it |
| 17:56.02 | | methinks country .it is italy |
| 17:56.06 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
| 17:56.44 | bzdoug_ | so your dial-up ISP in italy is libero.it eh? |
| 17:57.25 | Mardy | bzdoug_: it's the most common |
| 17:57.29 | bzdoug_ | ah |
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| 17:58.50 | Big_Barrel | ibot ducatictf |
| 17:59.12 | Big_Barrel | anyone want to play??? |
| 17:59.20 | Mardy | yes!! |
| 17:59.34 | Big_Barrel | come to 5156 |
| 17:59.39 | Big_Barrel | c u there |
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| 18:09.20 | victorvdl | K, I just looked at 1.8... And y'all are *abandoning* that? It is cool, and also much more efficent, and cool, and, ummm... Cool... |
| 18:10.45 | vogon | some of... yeah, thanks for the productive conversation. |
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| 18:46.20 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
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| 20:34.27 | Nicole | hello |
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| 21:09.34 | [TeA] | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:25.02 | [TeA] | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:33.49 | [TeA] | brb |
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| 21:40.55 | Mardy | well, I quitted at -101 :-) |
| 21:42.11 | jzaun | Hello all |
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| 21:46.07 | o0o0o | a little frootloop memories |
| 21:46.52 | o0o0o | hello #bzflag |
| 21:48.00 | bzdoug_ | WAA |
| 21:48.07 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:48.11 | o0o0o | hi doug |
| 21:48.13 | bzdoug_ | hi m0nkeyb0y |
| 21:48.45 | o0o0o | whatever happened to your team annihalation? |
| 21:49.06 | bzdoug_ | got annilihated |
| 21:49.14 | bzdoug_ | but noodleman is the leader now |
| 21:49.18 | o0o0o | they broke up too? |
| 21:49.24 | o0o0o | you still with them? |
| 21:49.28 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:49.33 | bzdoug_ | no break up |
| 21:49.46 | o0o0o | still have maximus on your team? |
| 21:49.52 | o0o0o | he was hilarious |
| 21:50.11 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:50.14 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
| 21:50.15 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 21:51.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | was reading the olf forum on the league site |
| 21:51.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | pretty funny dialogue's with your team |
| 21:52.01 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:53.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | so now you know i was one of those loops |
| 21:53.15 | bzdoug_ | was? |
| 21:53.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | well... |
| 21:53.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 21:55.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | i think there will be 2 more teams forming that have similar strength |
| 21:55.47 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:55.47 | captain_proton | monkey! |
| 21:55.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | one will play jump style games...the other.. ctf |
| 21:55.59 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: ignore him! hes mad! |
| 21:56.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | hola proton! |
| 21:56.05 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: kewl |
| 21:56.23 | captain_proton | harumph...ctf teams... |
| 21:56.30 | captain_proton | i hear there's some trash talking of meq |
| 21:57.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | by ? |
| 21:57.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | me thinks tims ctf server with hix map is the place to some battles. for those that like to jump. |
| 21:57.57 | captain_proton | dunno - freelancer stopped by and wanted us to hand them their asses in a game but we only have 2 active members |
| 21:58.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | still have my email proton? |
| 21:59.06 | captain_proton | nope |
| 22:01.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | i know of one jump style team that is verbally comitted |
| 22:01.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | they are VERY good :) |
| 22:01.23 | bzdoug_ | Did you hear that there's a group of South American Indians that worship the number zero? |
| 22:01.34 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: that team wouldn't include you would it? |
| 22:01.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | it might...you know how these rumors get started :p |
| 22:01.55 | bzdoug_ | Is nothing sacred? |
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| 22:03.30 | MrApathyCream | snow_monkey == monkey_boy? |
| 22:03.39 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream: yep |
| 22:03.44 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream: lo |
| 22:03.48 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 22:03.50 | MrApathyCream | bye |
| 22:03.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes myapathy |
| 22:04.03 | bzdoug_ | hum |
| 22:04.05 | bzdoug_ | very odd |
| 22:04.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | why? |
| 22:04.48 | bzdoug_ | he joins, asks a question, then leaves |
| 22:05.01 | captain_proton | he's probably still sore from that d46 battle i had with him last night |
| 22:05.07 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:06.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was going to thanks apathy for his puzzle |
| 22:06.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | but he left so quick |
| 22:06.44 | bzdoug_ | puzzle? |
| 22:06.59 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: don't suppose i could interest you in a little d46 game? |
| 22:07.11 | bzdoug_ | d46? |
| 22:07.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | word puzzle doug |
| 22:08.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | d46 is? |
| 22:08.33 | captain_proton | dinner 4 six |
| 22:08.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 22:08.43 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:08.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | i like that one |
| 22:09.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | lets go.. |
| 22:09.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have just a few more minutes |
| 22:09.26 | Chestal | d46? ever heard of it |
| 22:09.51 | Chestal | btw., are the new tk server options helpful out there? |
| 22:10.08 | captain_proton | Chestal: apathy map |
| 22:10.12 | Chestal | I don't use them on ducati CTF because I thibk they're harmful there |
| 22:10.13 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: bzflag.net:5155 |
| 22:10.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm still trying to figure out why my geforce 2 at home is choppy |
| 22:10.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | and my geforece at work is better |
| 22:10.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | you are ribbit? |
| 22:10.55 | bzdoug_ | DRIVERS! |
| 22:10.57 | Chestal | proton: already implemented authentication? :-) |
| 22:11.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have opengl on both |
| 22:11.11 | bzdoug_ | reinstall |
| 22:11.13 | bzdoug_ | reformat |
| 22:11.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | 32 megs runs better than 64... |
| 22:11.22 | bzdoug_ | ditch the PC and get a mac |
| 22:11.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | nurf |
| 22:11.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | or join your team? |
| 22:11.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | you there yet proton? |
| 22:16.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | protons map is cool :) |
| 22:16.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | proton??? |
| 22:16.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | you are nr |
| 22:18.21 | vogon | htf are new threads supposed to use stdout/stderr? |
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| 22:23.24 | Cell | there is a secret in every tankitank world: http://217.89.2.184/worldfield.avi |
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| 22:36.52 | newguy2002 | helo |
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| 22:37.49 | Cell | its deep underneath of the battlefield, a secret can be found: http://217.89.2.184/worldfield.avi |
| 22:38.04 | Iron_Foot | helo fiberchunks |
| 22:44.47 | bzdoug_ | hey Patlabor221 |
| 22:44.58 | bzdoug_ | what did YOU get? |
| 22:45.02 | bzdoug_ | coal? |
| 22:45.11 | bzdoug_ | thats what sussudio got |
| 22:45.24 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 22:45.26 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 22:45.34 | Patlabor221 | me? |
| 22:45.44 | Patlabor221 | what did I get? |
| 22:45.45 | Patlabor221 | socks |
| 22:45.46 | bzdoug_ | Cell: cool |
| 22:45.49 | Patlabor221 | 2 shirts |
| 22:45.58 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: I got socks too |
| 22:46.03 | Patlabor221 | resedent evil 0 and 1 |
| 22:46.14 | bzdoug_ | and I got a t-shirt with "no I will not fix your computer" |
| 22:46.19 | Patlabor221 | all the martan sucsessor nadesikos |
| 22:46.26 | Patlabor221 | an digi-q rc car |
| 22:46.30 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 22:46.33 | bzdoug_ | I wanted one of those |
| 22:46.50 | Patlabor221 | $50 at comp usa |
| 22:46.55 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 22:47.06 | Patlabor221 | .hak// #3 |
| 22:47.12 | bzdoug_ | I got a 25 buck gift card to best buy |
| 22:47.28 | Patlabor221 | a set of chopticks |
| 22:47.31 | bzdoug_ | but 1% of the stuff is below 25 bucks |
| 22:47.37 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:47.47 | Patlabor221 | and $105 |
| 22:47.57 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:48.15 | Patlabor221 | oh and a box of cholate liquers |
| 22:48.20 | Patlabor221 | and 2 bottles of wine |
| 22:48.25 | Cell | i got a tooth brush and and underpants and manicure |
| 22:48.25 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 22:48.33 | bzdoug_ | I got a tooth brush too! |
| 22:48.39 | Cell | lol |
| 22:48.42 | Patlabor221 | and a new desk at work |
| 22:48.49 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 22:48.56 | bzdoug_ | no aeron chair? |
| 22:48.57 | sussudio | it's a message: your breath stinks |
| 22:49.01 | Patlabor221 | I moved to a new cube |
| 22:49.09 | Patlabor221 | just hooked up the comps |
| 22:49.15 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: coal burns up though |
| 22:49.19 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 22:49.26 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah and a battle action farmir |
| 22:50.06 | bzdoug_ | ah. |
| 22:50.44 | Cell | and i got 150 Euro |
| 22:50.58 | Cell | so i byu a new card |
| 22:51.06 | Patlabor221 | have to put all the crap back on my monitor |
| 22:51.16 | Patlabor221 | set up the patlabor first |
| 22:53.37 | bzdoug_ | jeje |
| 22:53.41 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 22:53.42 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:53.47 | bzdoug_ | I got an mp3 playa |
| 22:56.41 | Cell | today i was examing quest3d: they have a cool preview game that was generated in too weeks without writing a line of code just using a gui(for idiots only) that is really cool( nice physics free open source ODE solver by Russel Smith: http://q12.org/ode/ode.html). Visit www.quest3d.com if you like to make a game without programming :) lol |
| 22:56.59 | bzdoug_ | um |
| 22:57.15 | bzdoug_ | and are you getting paid to adverize that? |
| 22:57.47 | Cell | nop |
| 22:57.52 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:58.56 | Cell | the ode lib is cool and very fast and robust, quest 3d uses it and it is well demonstreded in the short game Monster Mayhem |
| 23:00.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | i will try out the new version proton .. thats "try" |
| 23:00.35 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: specifically, the "gui options" menu might interest you |
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| 23:00.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | very cool |
| 23:01.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | sounds like my mole patch |
| 23:01.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | has classic style? |
| 23:01.19 | captain_proton | no classic style HUD |
| 23:01.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | urg |
| 23:01.29 | captain_proton | but it does something similar at 100% opacity |
| 23:01.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool |
| 23:01.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | alrighty |
| 23:01.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | "su" you around :)) |
| 23:02.01 | captain_proton | s/similar/scarier/ |
| 23:10.59 | Cell | ahhhhhhhhhhh, the directx 9.0 sdk is here |
| 23:11.10 | Cell | switching |
| 23:11.15 | Patlabor221 | been out for a week or soo |
| 23:11.27 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: how masochistic are you? |
| 23:11.30 | Patlabor221 | hear it has masive problems with openGL |
| 23:11.39 | Cell | lol, supports c# |
| 23:11.55 | Patlabor221 | it may but be ware that your old stuff may not work anymore |
| 23:12.01 | Patlabor221 | cap: what do you want me to do? |
| 23:12.18 | Cell | Patlabor221: i dont have old stuff |
| 23:12.21 | captain_proton | port picogui to windows =) |
| 23:12.34 | Patlabor221 | cell I mean things like BZFlag, quake3 |
| 23:12.41 | Patlabor221 | or anything else |
| 23:12.51 | Cell | oh because of the new runtime |
| 23:12.53 | Cell | ? |
| 23:12.55 | Patlabor221 | cap: isn't the SDL port just that |
| 23:13.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah we've had tons of problems with the dx9 runtime |
| 23:13.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well it uses SDL for graphics & such |
| 23:13.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: but things like directory scanning, shared memory, etc |
| 23:13.37 | Patlabor221 | nor anyting about shared memory |
| 23:14.10 | captain_proton | python is really easy |
| 23:14.10 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:14.43 | Cell | shared memory maps to same hardware memory |
| 23:15.14 | Patlabor221 | I know what it is, I just don't know much about the windows API's for it, nor for processes |
| 23:16.30 | Cell | wow 222 mb |
| 23:16.37 | Cell | huge sdk |
| 23:17.34 | captain_proton | SDL + opengl + openal comes out to....2.3Mb |
| 23:18.03 | Cell | openal is that the lib garage games developed for sound? |
| 23:18.15 | captain_proton | openal was developed by creative & loki |
| 23:18.30 | Cell | ah, k than i had bad infos |
| 23:18.42 | Patlabor221 | cap it's also got an ASSSLOAD of samples |
| 23:18.49 | Cell | yes |
| 23:20.06 | Patlabor221 | and very dumb samples at that |
| 23:20.13 | Patlabor221 | "here is how to flip the screen" |
| 23:20.23 | Cell | i really hope they put some more high level mesh classes and file loaders |
| 23:20.31 | Cell | into the sdk |
| 23:21.03 | Patlabor221 | why don't they put all those utility things into a seperate lib, then they could update them seperatly |
| 23:21.07 | Patlabor221 | like GLUT does |
| 23:21.49 | Cell | oh didnt they seperate it too? |
| 23:21.57 | Cell | maybe not that obviously |
| 23:22.22 | Patlabor221 | you may scoff at it, but it's a decent idea |
| 23:22.51 | Cell | yes it makes opengl life easier |
| 23:23.49 | Patlabor221 | easyer but less controll, it could have been done better |
| 23:24.02 | Patlabor221 | file loaders in an API are for lazy ass progrmaers :) |
| 23:24.05 | Cell | now, its gona be 1-3 lines to setup directX instead of dealing with COM |
| 23:25.29 | Cell | not only for lazy ones but also for ones that dont want to concentrate with boring stuff like file loading |
| 23:26.02 | Patlabor221 | ahh yes the "slakers" |
| 23:27.17 | Cell | i really need more support than just an api like opengl, because all code i write is so buggy and slow |
| 23:27.37 | captain_proton | whereas GLUT is just slow |
| 23:27.43 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you sould try to make non buggy and fast |
| 23:27.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah glis is a good idea, but it's not the best implemtation |
| 23:28.17 | Patlabor221 | I could make LGE like GLUt |
| 23:29.25 | Cell | i would like to see open inventor ported to windows |
| 23:29.45 | captain_proton | mmMMMmmmm....open inventor... |
| 23:31.08 | Cell | that has a really nice and fast scene graph architecture |
| 23:32.02 | captain_proton | not really useful for games though |
| 23:32.13 | Cell | it would be so cool to speed up my tooth editor |
| 23:32.51 | Cell | but sadly i hav about 5000 lines of c# code now |
| 23:33.42 | captain_proton | tooth editor? |
| 23:34.02 | Cell | yes my diploma thesis |
| 23:34.21 | Cell | interactive tooth reconstruction |
| 23:34.28 | Patlabor221 | can anyone get to http://www.bakadigital.com |
| 23:34.48 | captain_proton | yep |
| 23:34.56 | Cell | 3d screamers |
| 23:35.08 | Patlabor221 | good, thanks |
| 23:35.21 | Patlabor221 | had to move the server, wanted to make sure it's up external |
| 23:35.31 | Cell | makes no sense |
| 23:37.28 | Cell | 50% downloaded .) |
| 23:38.33 | Cell | good that i wrapped all opengl calls in my RenderControl class, so now i make a copy and replace all calls with directX calls |
| 23:44.38 | Cell | i put all the static world data into agp memory and dont frustum cull |
| 23:46.57 | Cell | and i put the animated models into agp too and lock the surface to copy the next frame interpolated data onto the surface, lol, thats gona be so fast |
| 23:48.27 | Cell | i must admit that opengl has the nicer api but the extension handling stuff sucks |
| 23:53.47 | Cell | NV_vertex_array_range extension that puts data into agp mem is really difficult to use/understand, with directX i just tell the driver where to allocate the mem |
| 23:55.10 | Cell | now i can build round edge worlds |
| 23:56.32 | Cell | as you could see maybe in the avi my little world had only 51 faces |
| 23:56.40 | Cell | not 51, 512 |
| 23:57.41 | vogon | blech. |
| 23:57.55 | Cell | so no need for frustum culling here |
| 23:57.56 | vogon | captain_proton: you know anything about virtual/multiple inheritance and how it applies to overloaded constructors? |
| 23:58.08 | captain_proton | vogon: some |
| 23:58.27 | captain_proton | whats the question? |
| 23:58.47 | vogon | (3rd channel I've asked this in) |
| 23:58.48 | vogon | < vogon> < vogon> I have a hierarchy as follows: Object -> Container -> Mobile -> Clone, PlayerMobile -> PlayerClone. |
| 23:58.51 | vogon | < vogon> < vogon> Container is a public Object, Mobile is a public Container, Clone and PlayerMobile are public virtual Mobile, and PlayerClone is a public Clone, public PlayerMobile. |
| 23:58.55 | vogon | < vogon> < vogon> they all have constructors that take a std::istream &. |
| 23:58.58 | vogon | < vogon> < vogon> however, when I call PlayerClone(std::istream &), all of the constructors above Clone and PlayerMobile are invoked without args. |
| 23:59.01 | vogon | < vogon> < vogon> is there any way to fix this, or do I need to read Stroustrup more? |
| 23:59.35 | captain_proton | you need to pass the parameter up the line |
| 23:59.44 | vogon | captain_proton: I am. |
| 23:59.46 | vogon | captain_proton: no joy. |
| 23:59.54 | tvon | Where can I find bzedit? |
| 23:59.55 | captain_proton | Mobile::Mobile(std::istream &s) : Container(s) |
| 23:59.55 | tvon | for nix |