| 00:00.09 | MrApathyCream | shared objects like dlls |
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| 00:03.39 | bzdoug | hum |
| 00:05.49 | MrApathyCream | i don't think i know that tune |
| 00:06.02 | bzdoug | its a short one |
| 00:06.54 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug: I updated higher world objects patch to latest if you care |
| 00:07.06 | bzdoug | cool |
| 00:07.19 | bzdoug | too bad there isnt any editor that works with it :) |
| 00:07.26 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:07.36 | MrApathyCream | patlabor!!! |
| 00:07.42 | MrApathyCream | you should have prepacked object types!!! |
| 00:07.43 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 00:07.55 | MrApathyCream | that get converted to regular objects |
| 00:08.04 | MrApathyCream | aye! |
| 00:08.17 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 00:15.42 | sussudio | fear the power of BNC-icus! |
| 00:15.44 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 00:16.12 | sussudio | < very bored |
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| 00:38.39 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 00:39.08 | ak|ra | is there any? |
| 00:39.35 | MrApathyCream | at least the basic one lessee, ;) :| :( |
| 00:39.51 | MrApathyCream | hmmm no wink but smily, plain, and frown are there |
| 00:41.32 | MrApathyCream | heh, work cube? |
| 00:41.41 | sussudio | borg cube |
| 00:41.59 | sussudio | too much...... bnc...... splitters..... |
| 00:42.33 | ak|ra | what? |
| 00:42.44 | MrApathyCream | WARNING: Some experts believe that the use of any keyboard may cause serious injury. |
| 00:43.01 | sussudio | so you got a logitech kb then? :-P |
| 00:43.06 | MrApathyCream | wow |
| 00:43.15 | MrApathyCream | yo sceers mee |
| 00:43.26 | sussudio | stupid tiny-ass enter key on that thing |
| 00:43.44 | MrApathyCream | yup, it's a school puter |
| 00:44.06 | sussudio | i need bigger keys with more spacing... like a NORMAL kb... |
| 00:44.11 | sussudio | not logitech smurfboard |
| 00:45.11 | MrApathyCream | was it painful to remove? |
| 00:45.26 | sussudio | not really, since they weren't there in the first place |
| 00:45.43 | MrApathyCream | wow is that a genetic trait in your family? |
| 00:45.58 | sussudio | yup.... microsoft-resistant |
| 00:48.09 | MrApathyCream | It's now time for JAH, MrCooper, snyke, trepan and [dmp] to have a witty conversation |
| 00:49.32 | MrApathyCream | ....doobeedoo.... |
| 00:51.03 | sussudio | http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html |
| 00:52.54 | sussudio | heh. |
| 00:53.00 | sussudio | SOUTHFIELD, MI--Bored with scaring elderly misers, the Ghost of Christmas Future is spending the holiday season taunting modern children with visions of Christmas 2016's hottest toy: the Sony PlayStation 5, a 2,048-bit console featuring a 45-Ghz trinary processor, CineReal graphics booster with 2-gig biotexturing, and an RSP connector for 360-degree online-immersion play. |
| 00:56.48 | sussudio | dreidel dreidel dreidel i made you out of claaaaaaaay |
| 00:56.57 | MrApathyCream | wow! a lurker speaks! |
| 00:57.00 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:57.28 | [dmp] | :) |
| 00:57.52 | MrApathyCream | anyone remember the url to the #bzflag irclogs? note to self: jot it down nexttime |
| 00:58.08 | [dmp] | ~logs |
| 00:58.08 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 00:58.12 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 00:58.14 | MrApathyCream | tanks |
| 00:58.35 | [dmp] | see, sometimes i actually reads what people say :) |
| 00:59.56 | MrApathyCream | shocking :) |
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| 01:16.57 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor you need a user configurable 'tools palette' of common meta objects in bzedit (stairs, table, window, etc, etc) |
| 01:23.17 | Patlabor221 | like prefabs |
| 01:23.20 | Patlabor221 | that's a good idea |
| 01:30.11 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:30.20 | MrApathyCream | that can be moved rotated scaled, etc as a whole |
| 01:30.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would make a group |
| 01:30.36 | MrApathyCream | and i would like to be able to add my own |
| 01:30.58 | MrApathyCream | welp, gotta go home now... (well wanna go home now) cu later |
| 01:31.04 | Patlabor221 | I'm thinking some form of file like a mini map that has them |
| 01:31.07 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 01:39.08 | Patlabor221 | doug you here? |
| 01:42.40 | Patlabor221 | well I guess he won't be able to test the new app. |
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| 01:43.47 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 01:44.01 | sussudio | ho ho nooooooooooooooooooooo *BOOM* |
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| 02:28.57 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: did you get my christmas list? |
| 02:32.33 | Patlabor221 | I want the remote desktop tank |
| 02:32.41 | MrApathyCream | w/camera |
| 02:33.02 | MrApathyCream | and the smoke ring gun |
| 02:33.49 | Patlabor221 | all riged up to one |
| 02:33.54 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 02:34.40 | Patlabor221 | the lazer watch is cool too |
| 02:35.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: only thing i saw was the smoke ring gun |
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| 04:03.29 | MeanGene | anybody knows who's the admin on ducati? |
| 04:03.50 | MrApathyCream | Chestal |
| 04:04.09 | MrApathyCream | sssssh, he's sleeping now |
| 04:04.31 | Gen\ | well, we found some strange issues on his server today |
| 04:04.32 | sussudio | LALALALALALALALALA |
| 04:04.44 | MrApathyCream | which was? |
| 04:04.46 | Gen\ | i was playing with ski and somebody else |
| 04:05.12 | Gen\ | so, at some point my kills of ski stopped registering, and sometimes he couldn't message |
| 04:05.34 | Gen\ | it was really weird - i'd kill him - and nothing - no message, no score increment on my part |
| 04:05.41 | Gen\ | but he got his score deducted |
| 04:05.45 | MrApathyCream | but his tank exploded? |
| 04:05.48 | Gen\ | yes |
| 04:05.53 | Gen\ | he died |
| 04:06.03 | Gen\ | he was kinda laggy too - 335ms |
| 04:06.10 | MrApathyCream | did you happen to look at /lagstats for messages lost? |
| 04:06.25 | Gen\ | nope - just checked his lag |
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| 04:07.08 | MrApathyCream | Hmm. |
| 04:07.24 | MrApathyCream | Did he register when you got killed? |
| 04:07.37 | Gen\ | yes |
| 04:08.00 | Gen\ | we can try talk to him now - he's still on ducati |
| 04:08.16 | Gen\ | must be some sort of software bug in server |
| 04:08.26 | Gen\ | "atomicity of transactions" or some crap like that :) |
| 04:09.02 | MrApathyCream | Well the fact that you saw him explode means the MsgKilled message got to the server and to you |
| 04:09.20 | MrApathyCream | When the server got the MsgKilled message it should have sent you a MsgScore message well |
| 04:09.53 | Gen\ | wait |
| 04:10.09 | MrApathyCream | Now the fact that he decremented himself doesn't really mean anything tho |
| 04:10.15 | MrApathyCream | as that is calculated on the client |
| 04:10.30 | Gen\ | not sure - i didn't see him explode - like with all the tank parts flying around |
| 04:10.43 | Gen\ | his tank just vanished |
| 04:10.49 | MrApathyCream | That would be a telling point |
| 04:12.23 | Gen\ | do you mean that the client determines when you get killed? |
| 04:14.04 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:14.12 | MrApathyCream | the fact that you didn't see him explode means |
| 04:14.19 | MrApathyCream | (a) He had a cheat client - or |
| 04:14.25 | MrApathyCream | (b) The network was fubar'ed |
| 04:15.00 | Gen\ | hmmm... isn't that supposed to be done on the server? like in netrek? |
| 04:15.15 | Gen\ | and we don't even have crypto-"blessed" clients |
| 04:15.34 | MrApathyCream | Yes, thus the hugh problem in bz-dom right now |
| 04:15.49 | MrApathyCream | We are moving in that direction |
| 04:15.51 | Gen\ | did you ever play netrek? |
| 04:15.54 | MrApathyCream | No |
| 04:16.03 | Gen\ | i spend my grad school on netrek and DooM :) |
| 04:16.07 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:16.13 | Gen\ | spent - past tense |
| 04:16.20 | Gen\ | check out www.netrek.org |
| 04:16.34 | Gen\ | it's an old game |
| 04:16.40 | MrApathyCream | The worry is (perhaps unfounded) that BZ would be hard to play because of the delta in perception between player and server (as to hit detection) |
| 04:17.46 | Gen\ | same in netrek - you fire photon torpedoes and the server calculates the lag and positions them against the other spaceships |
| 04:17.55 | Gen\ | so only server has the "true" picture |
| 04:18.20 | Gen\ | but the server maintains the integrity |
| 04:18.37 | MrApathyCream | Yes, like i said, the plan is to try to change it over to the way |
| 04:18.40 | Gen\ | it also issues crypto-challenges to clients to prevent bots on non-bot servers |
| 04:18.56 | MrApathyCream | is netrek open source? |
| 04:18.59 | Gen\ | yezx |
| 04:19.03 | captain_proton | crypto-challenges are impossible in fully open source games |
| 04:19.15 | Gen\ | possible! :-) |
| 04:19.20 | captain_proton | explain |
| 04:19.27 | Gen\ | everything is open-source - client and server |
| 04:19.38 | MrApathyCream | how does the challenge work? |
| 04:19.55 | Gen\ | but on non-bot servers you can play only with clients that are available in binary form from a trusted source |
| 04:20.08 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:20.24 | Gen\ | so you could have your own server that accepts only your own clients (if you wish) |
| 04:20.52 | MrApathyCream | we can't even get people to download the latest versions of the client... :) |
| 04:20.59 | MrApathyCream | i don't think that would work |
| 04:21.07 | Gen\ | it does work |
| 04:21.22 | Gen\ | the server-side challenge is done at login stage |
| 04:21.35 | MrApathyCream | i meant not technically but socially |
| 04:21.39 | Gen\ | so the server can have a long table of old versions' responses |
| 04:21.43 | Gen\ | to compare against |
| 04:21.57 | captain_proton | Gen\: providing closed binaries isn't a viable option - several people play on unusual platforms that we can't provide binaries for |
| 04:22.11 | Gen\ | like what? |
| 04:22.16 | captain_proton | like sgi o32 |
| 04:22.28 | Gen\ | I used to play on SGI... :-) |
| 04:23.07 | Gen\ | back in 1994 SGI used to be shipped with an early version of bzflag |
| 04:23.12 | Gen\ | as a GL demo |
| 04:23.42 | Gen\ | check out www.netrek.org |
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| 04:24.29 | Gen\ | it's pretty amazing that the first version of the game was (as the legend says) was writtne overnight by a compsci student at CMU who (obviously) had nothing better to do :) |
| 04:25.43 | Gen\ | I still play netrek sometimes - a lot more team spirit is required :) |
| 04:26.40 | fiberchunks | hey guys - fiddling around with glx on my laptop (ATI rage mobility P |
| 04:26.58 | fiberchunks | any tweaking ideas (pulling indirect and about 13 fps right now) |
| 04:28.17 | MeanGene | fiber - sorry don't know much about that |
| 04:28.32 | MeanGene | what OS are you running? |
| 04:28.46 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: indirect means that dri isn't working |
| 04:28.55 | MeanGene | aha! |
| 04:29.10 | MeanGene | do you have DRI compiled in your kernel? |
| 04:30.05 | fiberchunks | ahhh, yeah -- the kernel has DRI support, and DRI / glx are loading -- just not being utilized properly (XFree is correct) |
| 04:30.19 | fiberchunks | but I'm unfamiliar with getting it working on this type of card... |
| 04:31.12 | MeanGene | do you have this in your XConfig: |
| 04:31.25 | MeanGene | Section "Module" |
| 04:31.27 | MeanGene | .... |
| 04:31.35 | MeanGene | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.42 | MeanGene | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.57 | MeanGene | and this section: |
| 04:32.03 | MeanGene | Section "DRI" |
| 04:32.08 | MeanGene | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.13 | MeanGene | EndSection |
| 04:32.14 | fiberchunks | yes...all of those, and X is restarted |
| 04:32.26 | MeanGene | are you on Debian? |
| 04:33.44 | fiberchunks | no .. mandrake |
| 04:34.00 | MeanGene | I have Matrox G400 (old card) |
| 04:34.16 | fiberchunks | so do I (in one of my desktops) -- that's my next project |
| 04:34.38 | MeanGene | which X are you running? |
| 04:34.42 | fiberchunks | 4.2.1 |
| 04:35.19 | MeanGene | same here |
| 04:35.49 | fiberchunks | glxinfo reports that I am not loading direct rendering -- I don't know why though |
| 04:36.05 | MeanGene | which ATI do you have? |
| 04:36.18 | fiberchunks | rage mobility |
| 04:36.47 | MeanGene | hmmm.... is this Rage 128? |
| 04:36.53 | MeanGene | and which glx? |
| 04:37.04 | MeanGene | I have this: server glx version string: 1.3 Mesa 3.4.2 |
| 04:37.47 | fiberchunks | yeah, think so -- |
| 04:37.57 | MeanGene | OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2 |
| 04:38.46 | fiberchunks | where'd you get that version info from |
| 04:39.05 | MeanGene | it's from glxinfo also |
| 04:39.11 | fiberchunks | hrm, one seconf |
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| 04:39.41 | fiberchunks | same as yours |
| 04:39.49 | MeanGene | I don't know what to tell you - when X went from ver. 3 to ver. 4 for a while I didn't have accelerated GL for my card |
| 04:39.58 | Caligula | is there a high council of bzflag? |
| 04:40.12 | Caligula | I keep getting banned for now reason |
| 04:40.18 | MeanGene | try playing on low-res low-quality with no shading etc. |
| 04:40.24 | fiberchunks | humph -- well, it's not that critical -- so i'm not too concerned, but it would be nice to get it going |
| 04:40.25 | MeanGene | bzflag is a logical game :) |
| 04:40.31 | captain_proton | Caligula: what server? |
| 04:40.40 | Caligula | turkey.moongroup |
| 04:40.44 | vogon | fiberchunks: go to #dri. |
| 04:40.46 | captain_proton | who is banning you? |
| 04:40.50 | sussudio | i am the high council of bzflag and i bannish you to proxima centauri! |
| 04:40.52 | fiberchunks | thx vogon |
| 04:40.52 | Caligula | I've been playing there for over a year |
| 04:41.02 | Caligula | now they ban me and make up lies |
| 04:41.14 | Caligula | not sure who is in charge now |
| 04:41.24 | sussudio | dervish....? |
| 04:41.30 | MeanGene | Caligula - didn't you fuck your sister - I saw that movie! :) |
| 04:41.36 | MeanGene | maybe that's why :) |
| 04:41.39 | captain_proton | Caligula: it should tell you who banned you |
| 04:41.42 | Caligula | it was just a movie, I wasn't in it |
| 04:41.44 | sussudio | colon panic? |
| 04:41.55 | Caligula | I thought that was kernel panic's server |
| 04:42.08 | fiberchunks | it is |
| 04:42.13 | MeanGene | good-bye gents |
| 04:42.18 | MrApathyCream | cu |
| 04:42.20 | fiberchunks | cya Gene, thx |
| 04:42.38 | Caligula | I'm came on here from some website, let me come back with a real client |
| 04:43.02 | MrApathyCream | Caligula: probably because of your callsign |
| 04:43.21 | MrApathyCream | there fussy about such things |
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| 05:41.13 | BZFlag | BZFlagNotCTO |
| 05:41.20 | BZFlagNotCTO | eep. ;-) |
| 05:41.29 | captain_proton | any word on what the future holds? |
| 05:42.10 | MrApathyCream | the web site says, they're taking everyone managers, staff, janitors, everyone, no? |
| 05:42.28 | BZFlagNotCTO | nope. waiting for a) new management to get a clue, or b) a reply on my contract rate request |
| 05:42.35 | vogon | captain_proton: my guess is, days after December 18, 2002. |
| 05:42.46 | MrApathyCream | ugg |
| 05:42.47 | vogon | captain_proton: but I could be wrong. |
| 05:42.48 | BZFlagNotCTO | CTO != key management or key engineering I guess. |
| 05:43.16 | MrApathyCream | heh, i understand that... CTO's just get in the way of our pie in the sky ideas, after all |
| 05:43.37 | MrApathyCream | the quicker we can get those folks with a clue out of the way, the sooner..... |
| 05:43.49 | MrApathyCream | they're a motorola company, no? |
| 05:45.30 | BZFlagNotCTO | how'd you guess? |
| 05:45.57 | MrApathyCream | my company has moto as a client.... where's my cluebat? |
| 05:46.31 | BZFlagNotCTO | MrApathyCream needs a real _big_ cluebat for mot |
| 05:49.38 | MrApathyCream | Well, that's a bummer, sorry about that :( |
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| 05:53.41 | stibnite | good evening |
| 05:53.42 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:53.46 | stibnite | lol |
| 05:53.50 | stibnite | i just moved to a real client |
| 05:53.52 | stibnite | that's all |
| 05:54.39 | MrApathyCream | Companies always pick the nicest of times to deliver bad news, don't they? |
| 05:54.51 | stibnite | sure do. what is yours? |
| 05:55.12 | MrApathyCream | heh, not mine this time,,... (well not yet anyway) |
| 05:55.39 | MrApathyCream | with gold jumping up this week like it has, the economy is probably headed for another plunge soon |
| 05:56.09 | stibnite | hehe either that or there was a riot somewhere |
| 05:56.56 | stibnite | hrm; do you think my server would be more popular if it was run on a different port? |
| 05:57.01 | stibnite | it's currently on 17200 |
| 05:57.49 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:58.04 | BZFlagNotCTO | need someone with a licensed xbox sdk to publish our linux version of bzflag as a console game. then there would be a legal linux bootloader for the xbox. ;-) |
| 05:58.35 | stibnite | :) |
| 05:58.38 | stibnite | that would be hot |
| 05:58.50 | stibnite | hey BZFlagNotCTO i have a question for ya- |
| 05:59.02 | stibnite | how tough would it be to dump server console to stdout? |
| 05:59.12 | MrApathyCream | -d |
| 05:59.13 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 06:00.39 | BZFlagNotCTO | "server console" ? ie: / commands? |
| 06:00.58 | stibnite | yeah ,and all the realtime blow-by-blow stuff, kills, etc. |
| 06:01.42 | BZFlagNotCTO | ahh. I added score dumping by default in cvs, I keep meaning to add foo killed bar with laser or some easily parseable output. |
| 06:02.10 | BZFlagNotCTO | -printscore should get the current stuff. |
| 06:02.18 | stibnite | cool, ty |
| 06:02.25 | BZFlagNotCTO | patches welcome to add more. _not_ cout though. bzfs is all printf now. |
| 06:02.34 | stibnite | ok |
| 06:02.47 | captain_proton | BZFlagNotCTO: why printf vs cout? |
| 06:02.49 | MrApathyCream | BZFlagNotCTO: Won't that change in the next release? |
| 06:02.53 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:03.35 | stibnite | doh |
| 06:03.51 | stibnite | i'm gonna have to go back to freebsd to build this |
| 06:03.59 | stibnite | darn my server and its total lack of X |
| 06:04.01 | stibnite | brb |
| 06:08.05 | stibnite | back |
| 06:08.36 | BZFlagNotCTO | captain_proton: there was such a mix of both, I opted to clean out the cout stuff cause it was easier. |
| 06:09.16 | BZFlagNotCTO | since sprintf is used, the code bloat is not large. |
| 06:09.50 | BZFlagNotCTO | now if *printf could _all_ be removed, then cout should be smaller. |
| 06:10.10 | BZFlagNotCTO | stibnite: apt-get install .... ;-) |
| 06:10.16 | stibnite | hehe |
| 06:10.24 | stibnite | if only this box were Debian |
| 06:10.42 | BZFlagNotCTO | I have X and GL libraries on my headless 1u server. I compile bz there all the time. |
| 06:10.58 | BZFlagNotCTO | there is literally no video card on the box. |
| 06:11.07 | stibnite | yeah, i would do the same, but it's only an 18gb drive |
| 06:11.23 | BZFlagNotCTO | heh. I think that's how big mine is. |
| 06:11.32 | stibnite | and i can't bring myself to put libs on for just one piece of software |
| 06:11.38 | stibnite | it's ok, i just build on my home box |
| 06:12.54 | vogon | BZFlagNotCTO: you can use stringstream and the standard operators. |
| 06:13.08 | captain_proton | vogon: eeep |
| 06:13.43 | BZFlagNotCTO | it's done now. bzfs is printf and friends. stop whining. ;-) |
| 06:13.54 | vogon | heh. |
| 06:14.02 | vogon | std::string s; |
| 06:14.08 | vogon | std::ostringstream stream; |
| 06:14.11 | vogon | err. |
| 06:14.17 | vogon | std::ostringstream stream(s); |
| 06:14.18 | captain_proton | DAMNIT! |
| 06:14.19 | BZFlagNotCTO | std::string whine; |
| 06:14.30 | captain_proton | vogon: why the hell won't pango build libpangoxft*? |
| 06:14.40 | vogon | stream << "this is l33t. :cool:" << std::endl; |
| 06:14.45 | vogon | captain_proton: because GNOME2 sucks. |
| 06:14.53 | BZFlagNotCTO | captain_proton: tone it down a bit? whack your server if you need to. |
| 06:15.34 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~fishslap pango for not building libpangoxft* |
| 06:15.35 | | ACTION slaps pango up side the head with a wet fish for not building libpangoxft* |
| 06:15.44 | captain_proton | BZFlagNotCTO: i've already done that many a time :P |
| 06:15.50 | BZFlagNotCTO | heh. |
| 06:17.40 | MrApathyCream | HEH! hello world works with win g++ |
| 06:23.45 | fiberchunks | cheater on turkey - goldengreenmonkey |
| 06:24.33 | MrApathyCream | not anymore |
| 06:25.21 | stibnite | BZFlagNotCTO: is there any need at present for additional bzfls servers? |
| 06:25.52 | MrApathyCream | for private servers, perhaps |
| 06:26.23 | stibnite | i was referring to main servers |
| 06:26.41 | stibnite | the hardcoded bzfls servers |
| 06:39.13 | BZFlagNotCTO | stibnite: no need at present. there is a need to enhance the protocol so that there are at least 2 master servers. |
| 06:39.35 | stibnite | i didn't realize there was only one |
| 06:40.04 | stibnite | but i'm fairly new to this. I just try to lend a helping hand to projects that i like. :) |
| 06:40.15 | BZFlagNotCTO | yep. that same 1u server I was talking about. ;-/ |
| 06:40.25 | stibnite | and since i'm a far better admin than coder, i tend to offer hosting. :) |
| 06:40.33 | BZFlagNotCTO | stibnite: careful, that's how I got involved. ;-) |
| 06:40.38 | stibnite | lol |
| 06:43.53 | BZFlagNotCTO | bzflag should be in ports already, though I don't know if g0 is yet. |
| 06:43.59 | captain_proton | hmm, where is scanline? |
| 06:44.11 | captain_proton | BZFlagNotCTO: i believe its marked 'broken' due to some usb-header nonsense |
| 06:44.13 | stibnite | it isn't. :( 1.7e.6 |
| 06:44.37 | stibnite | and i'm trying to build cvs |
| 06:45.10 | BZFlagNotCTO | hmm. as always "patches welcome". |
| 06:45.13 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~emulate bzflag |
| 06:45.18 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot and various other projects |
| 06:45.24 | BZFlagNotCTO | heh. |
| 06:45.36 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~literal emulate bzflag |
| 06:45.37 | | emulate bzflag is <action>sits hacking on blootbot and various other projects || <action>Patches welcome! |
| 06:46.05 | captain_proton | BZFlagNotCTO: shouldn't that be <reply>Patches welcome! ? |
| 06:46.30 | BZFlagNotCTO | yep. |
| 06:47.27 | captain_proton | i see you've picked up on PicoBot's emulate feature |
| 06:48.06 | BZFlagNotCTO | ibot, no emulate bzflag is <action>sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 06:48.07 | | BZFlagNotCTO: okay |
| 06:48.18 | captain_proton | ibot: emulate captain_proton is <action>watches old sci-fi and contemplates an evil plot |
| 06:48.18 | | okay, captain_proton |
| 06:48.27 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~emulate bzflag |
| 06:48.28 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 06:48.58 | captain_proton | ibot: emulate MrApathyCream is <action>makes french fries and recompiles his kernel |
| 06:48.58 | | captain_proton: okay |
| 06:49.02 | captain_proton | :) |
| 06:49.09 | BZFlagNotCTO | captain_proton: no special handling of "emulate *" factoids on ibot. is there on PicoBot? |
| 06:49.44 | captain_proton | BZFlagNotCTO: nope |
| 06:49.48 | BZFlagNotCTO | k |
| 06:50.38 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_captain_proton? |
| 06:50.38 | | out buying christmas presents for his bzflag buds |
| 06:50.52 | BZFlagNotCTO | woohoo! |
| 06:52.15 | MrApathyCream | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/5776/ of course |
| 06:52.30 | MrApathyCream | with attachable camera |
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| 07:01.39 | tvon | any turkey admins around? |
| 07:01.46 | tvon | we needs someone kicked |
| 07:01.51 | tvon | for trying to take our precious |
| 07:01.53 | fiberchunks | yes, why? |
| 07:02.01 | tvon | well, for cheating really |
| 07:02.04 | fiberchunks | joining now -- who? |
| 07:02.07 | tvon | mhm....nightwind I think it is |
| 07:02.09 | tvon | lemme see |
| 07:02.15 | fiberchunks | k, I'll cya there |
| 07:10.01 | MrApathyCream | what's your server? |
| 07:10.27 | tvon | ~~thansk fiber |
| 07:10.28 | tvon | er... |
| 07:10.30 | tvon | thanks fiber |
| 07:10.35 | *** part/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 07:10.37 | stibnite | bzflag.hashmark.net |
| 07:11.01 | stibnite | 17200 is the main one; i'm testing g0 (linux) on 5155 |
| 07:11.29 | MrApathyCream | madcity, ok |
| 07:12.59 | stibnite | hehe this is cool, i could definitely parse this output |
| 07:14.25 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~bzflist |
| 07:14.53 | BZFlagNotCTO | stibnite: -printscore is enough? or not? |
| 07:15.10 | stibnite | it looks good so far |
| 07:15.16 | stibnite | but i haven't anyone to kill me yet |
| 07:15.23 | stibnite | :) |
| 07:15.40 | stibnite | it will pipe well through daemontools |
| 07:15.53 | stibnite | i'm thinking of using daemontools and +g to cycle through maps |
| 07:16.32 | MrApathyCream | there i killed myself 3 times on hashmark |
| 07:16.44 | stibnite | thanks, apathy! |
| 07:16.47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:16.49 | stibnite | but could you do it on 5515? |
| 07:16.53 | stibnite | that's where i'm testing. :\ |
| 07:17.10 | stibnite | captain_proton: webhost? |
| 07:17.16 | captain_proton | bzhost |
| 07:17.31 | stibnite | how long? |
| 07:17.43 | captain_proton | until roundabouts Jan 14 |
| 07:17.45 | MrApathyCream | there ya go |
| 07:18.05 | stibnite | what are your bandwidth needs? |
| 07:18.38 | captain_proton | i dunno...the decks seem to have fallen into obscurity :( |
| 07:18.43 | BZFlagNotCTO | game really wants low lag. it's not really a bandwidth issue, a 256k dsl line is fine, but low hops to everywhere is key. |
| 07:19.02 | stibnite | well bzflag.hashmark.net is colocated at internap in houston, texas |
| 07:19.08 | MrApathyCream | BZFlagNotCTO: how come when i do a co, i don't get the nsis dir (which is 1.7/attic only)? |
| 07:19.44 | BZFlagNotCTO | MrApathyCream: co -r v1_7 ? or up -Pdr v1_7 ? |
| 07:19.53 | MrApathyCream | co -r v1_7 |
| 07:20.16 | MrApathyCream | i must go to the package dir, and do a co there |
| 07:20.26 | MrApathyCream | (not from root bzflag) |
| 07:25.31 | BZFlagNotCTO | hmm. I don't see nsis in cvs. it's supposed to be under /package? |
| 07:25.40 | MrApathyCream | sorry package/win32 |
| 07:26.35 | BZFlagNotCTO | ah, duh. yeah, I got it. |
| 07:28.55 | BZFlagNotCTO | just did a: cvs -d :ext:timriker@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 07:28.58 | BZFlagNotCTO | and I got it. |
| 07:29.04 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 07:29.08 | MrApathyCream | maybe just a wincvs prob |
| 07:29.12 | BZFlagNotCTO | also did a cvs up -Pdr v1_7 and got it there. |
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| 07:32.53 | BZFlagNotCTO | great dervish has an email virus and is spamming me. |
| 07:33.10 | MrApathyCream | oh boy |
| 07:33.14 | fiberchunks | oh, that's lovely -- |
| 07:33.17 | MrApathyCream | the 'boards' will be hot tomorrow |
| 07:33.55 | fiberchunks | he is absolutely adamant about using windows...*sigh* |
| 07:34.03 | BZFlagNotCTO | or perhaps he really want's me to "have an exite christmas" ? |
| 07:34.11 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:37.18 | BZFlagNotCTO | I should kick him off all the lists for that. |
| 07:37.39 | captain_proton | ohh on the lists |
| 07:37.55 | captain_proton | my email client isn't open due to the fact that my system libraries were shredded so i'm rebuilding just about everything |
| 07:38.28 | BZFlagNotCTO | no posted to me directly. SF would have blocked it. |
| 07:39.02 | BZFlagNotCTO | LongReload flag ? |
| 07:39.30 | BZFlagNotCTO | oh, wait that's not the right message.... |
| 07:40.16 | BZFlagNotCTO | ah more segment uh... fixes, yeah that's it, fixes. |
| 07:40.31 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:54.40 | captain_proton | can you guys resolve bzflag.net? |
| 07:54.59 | MrApathyCream | 12.253.125.169 |
| 08:09.58 | BZFlagNotCTO | ~nslookup bzflag.net |
| 08:13.17 | captain_proton | ooh nifty |
| 08:13.59 | vogon | "The BF Linux Beta 1 is shit and buggy. |
| 08:13.59 | vogon | Make new beta for the Community or suck my dick!" |
| 08:14.05 | vogon | icculus gets the best flame mail. |
| 08:16.03 | MrApathyCream | hmm, if an OpenGLTexFont draws fine at a certain location, why would a glBegin/end line not draw fine at the same location? |
| 08:17.32 | MrApathyCream | linewidth, what else? |
| 08:18.47 | captain_proton | vogon: how come you hang with icculus people if you're not actually an icculus person? |
| 08:18.54 | vogon | captain_proton: I am. |
| 08:19.05 | captain_proton | vogon: you have code hosted? |
| 08:19.06 | vogon | captain_proton: icculus.org/~vogon. |
| 08:19.12 | vogon | captain_proton: yes. |
| 08:19.22 | vogon | captain_proton: I'm a contributor to IcculusFinger, among other things. |
| 08:19.37 | captain_proton | humph |
| 08:21.01 | BZFlagNotCTO | vogon: I realise you are quoting, but that language is not needed here. |
| 08:21.27 | vogon | BZFlagNotCTO: I'll splat it out next time. apologies. |
| 08:21.36 | captain_proton | vogon: your website is so navigable via lynx |
| 08:21.56 | vogon | captain_proton: try links. |
| 08:22.45 | vogon | it uses hot hot tables that lynx can't grok. |
| 08:23.01 | vogon | w3m works, too. |
| 08:25.52 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:25.58 | captain_proton | i should make myself a new web page at some point |
| 08:28.16 | vogon | not as of now, no. |
| 08:28.35 | vogon | only CVS hosting. |
| 08:29.56 | vogon | http://bash.org/?47356 |
| 08:30.31 | vogon | (don't visit if you're offended by strong language, stupidity, or typographical errors.) |
| 08:31.23 | captain_proton | smrt |
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| 09:16.27 | captain_proton | slow night |
| 09:16.44 | MrApathyCream | Time for haiku? |
| 09:16.44 | captain_proton | where in tarnations is scanline? |
| 09:17.19 | captain_proton | sure, why not |
| 09:18.40 | captain_proton | at some point we should collect all of these from the logs and publish "MrApathyCream's big book o' bzflag haiku" |
| 09:20.47 | ak|ra | captain_proton: not santa today? |
| 09:21.05 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 09:21.12 | captain_proton | ak|ra: not today |
| 09:21.25 | MrApathyCream | he's all 'shopped out' |
| 09:21.56 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 09:22.03 | ak|ra | i have to do this the next days |
| 09:22.06 | ak|ra | *grrr* |
| 09:22.13 | ak|ra | not yet no idea for my girl |
| 09:22.19 | ak|ra | *grrr* ^ 2 |
| 09:22.22 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 09:24.50 | captain_proton | so what is MrsApathyCream getting this year? |
| 09:26.03 | vogon | bzflag 1.7g0! |
| 09:26.37 | captain_proton | now with mouse technology! |
| 09:27.24 | captain_proton | mmmmmmmmmmm good song |
| 09:28.41 | MrApathyCream | Hmm, cappy could you sanity check this? |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | BzfString::Rep::Rep(const Rep* rep) : |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | refCount(1), |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | length(rep->length), |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | size(rep->size) |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | { |
| 09:28.44 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.51 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.55 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.56 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.58 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.00 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.02 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 09:29.04 | MrApathyCream | shouldn't it be if (length > 0) |
| 09:29.35 | captain_proton | looks that way to me |
| 09:29.44 | captain_proton | how about we just rip out BzfString and use std::string instead? :) |
| 09:29.50 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 09:29.51 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 09:29.53 | ak|ra | good idea |
| 09:30.03 | vogon | heh. |
| 09:30.10 | vogon | owned. |
| 09:30.13 | ak|ra | mac, did you got the intel compiler now? |
| 09:30.22 | vogon | that way, you can also add Unicode support. |
| 09:30.22 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 09:30.32 | captain_proton | vogon: std::string doesn't support unicode |
| 09:30.33 | vogon | which'd make nicknames several times more annoying. |
| 09:31.02 | vogon | captain_proton: std::basic_string<wchar, char_traits<wchar> >. |
| 09:31.07 | captain_proton | bah |
| 09:32.07 | MrApathyCream | cappy sure it does |
| 09:32.11 | vogon | or just std::wstring. |
| 09:32.21 | captain_proton | listening to this song quietly just doesn't do it justice... |
| 09:32.39 | captain_proton | hrmph, another 20 minutes or so and i'll have a working system again |
| 09:32.40 | MrApathyCream | std::basic_string<_tchar, char_traits<_tchar> > |
| 09:32.41 | vogon | what, 4'33"? |
| 09:32.57 | captain_proton | 'sacrifice' from lisa gerrard's 'duality' |
| 09:33.27 | captain_proton | vogon: 10 points if you can identify the style of 4'33" |
| 09:34.05 | vogon | hah. "broken line in." |
| 09:34.22 | captain_proton | um, no. |
| 09:36.50 | captain_proton | the correct answer is 'aleatory' |
| 09:38.23 | captain_proton | in the case of 4'33", the aleatorical aspect of the performance is attributed to the audience rather than the performer |
| 09:38.39 | captain_proton | (in case you wanted to know) |
| 09:38.52 | vogon | I will make a note of that. |
| 09:39.15 | captain_proton | good |
| 09:50.05 | MrApathyCream | anyone??? |
| 09:52.27 | captain_proton | my machine is indisposed at the moment |
| 09:58.26 | MrApathyCream | rebuilding the kernel? |
| 09:59.02 | ak|ra | whats in latest cvs? |
| 09:59.22 | captain_proton | rebuilding most of the system |
| 09:59.24 | MrApathyCream | in place editing of text edit fields (left right arrows) |
| 10:00.32 | MrApathyCream | Haiku moment: |
| 10:00.33 | MrApathyCream | Rebuilding kernel |
| 10:00.33 | MrApathyCream | That's what those guys always say |
| 10:00.33 | MrApathyCream | Wishin for windows |
| 10:00.54 | captain_proton | :) |
| 10:01.53 | captain_proton | ~emulate MrApathyCream |
| 10:01.53 | | ACTION makes french fries and recompiles his kernel |
| 10:02.23 | MrApathyCream | the only kernel i know makes chicken right |
| 10:04.21 | MrApathyCream | welp, off to bed |
| 10:04.29 | captain_proton | 'night |
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| 10:08.48 | bomber | moin moin |
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| 14:17.01 | MrApathyCream | moin |
| 14:17.08 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 14:17.18 | Chestal | just tested the input field editing |
| 14:17.25 | MrApathyCream | heya.. thanks for fixin my goof |
| 14:17.38 | MrApathyCream | should havew been an ||, d'oh |
| 14:17.58 | MrApathyCream | editing work? |
| 14:18.00 | Chestal | yep, that was my first way of fixing it, then I thoght do ... while might be better |
| 14:18.25 | Chestal | it works well, only one problem: <- and -> have been used to select the recipient for a message |
| 14:18.51 | MrApathyCream | arg |
| 14:19.01 | MrApathyCream | rats |
| 14:19.39 | Chestal | could be changed so that shift needs to be pressed for that now |
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| 14:19.50 | Chestal | jsut tried that, I think it's ok |
| 14:20.04 | MrApathyCream | the shift -> you tried? |
| 14:20.29 | Chestal | MAC: yes, I hacked that in and think it is a way of doing it |
| 14:20.38 | Chestal | unless there is a betetr way? |
| 14:20.43 | MrApathyCream | no that's good |
| 14:21.24 | MrApathyCream | if the string is empty, you could let <- -> switch players |
| 14:23.21 | Chestal | hmm, could be possible, yes |
| 14:28.28 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: do -- while is fine, thanks |
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| 14:39.28 | akira_ | re |
| 14:41.12 | akira_ | ibot ducati |
| 14:41.16 | akira_ | ibot ducatictf |
| 14:42.12 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 14:42.25 | akira_ | hi |
| 14:42.27 | Chestal | MAC: hmm, after thinking about it, the behaviour is maybe not too useful as is |
| 14:42.54 | Chestal | MAC: you can now switch with arrow keys, when you didn't type anything, after that you'll have to use shift-arrows |
| 14:43.02 | Chestal | MAC: but switching will erase your text |
| 14:43.47 | MrApathyCream | didn't switching always erase text? |
| 14:43.52 | Chestal | yes, it did |
| 14:44.02 | MrApathyCream | you checked in? |
| 14:44.09 | Chestal | jsut wondering if it is useful at all to switch after having typed anything, when it will erase it anyway |
| 14:44.10 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:44.13 | MrApathyCream | thx |
| 14:44.38 | MrApathyCream | Very nice for adding the observer @ sign |
| 14:44.46 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 14:45.44 | akira|uni | frowhat? |
| 14:45.56 | MrApathyCream | at the main login screen |
| 14:46.08 | akira|uni | ? |
| 14:46.20 | MrApathyCream | you can now edit in line any text edit field |
| 14:46.25 | MrApathyCream | using <- and -> keys |
| 14:47.43 | Chestal | del behaves the same as bs? |
| 14:48.04 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, forgot del, should delete the char at the _ |
| 14:48.19 | MrApathyCream | as opposed to the one before it |
| 14:55.05 | MrApathyCream | ok checked in fix for del |
| 15:05.07 | Chestal | I must think of somethign for timed matches which are started with /countdown |
| 15:05.15 | Chestal | 1st I think I'll make /countdown a public command |
| 15:05.32 | Chestal | 2nd I must tell the server whetehr to start a timed game automatically or only when triggered |
| 15:06.10 | Chestal | /flag reset unused removes flags which are on ground? |
| 15:07.43 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 15:08.10 | Chestal | MAC: what do you think of adding adjustable radar size/panel size and mosue box size to the GUI menu? |
| 15:08.26 | jzaun | oh... don't do that yet |
| 15:08.39 | jzaun | you may not want to untill you see the patch I'm working on |
| 15:08.45 | Chestal | that reminds me, one of the first changes for breaking protocol should be to allow arbitrary world sizes |
| 15:09.08 | Chestal | jzaun: well, righ tnow I am running g1 with manually changed sizes |
| 15:09.33 | Chestal | btw., was there any reasonging behind removing the old players list? |
| 15:09.42 | Chestal | some people have been requesting it |
| 15:09.47 | jzaun | Chestal: I'm compleatly reworking the HUD and ControlPanel |
| 15:10.18 | Chestal | jzaun: hmm, sounds dangerous to me :-) Can you try itwith software rendering, too? |
| 15:10.57 | Chestal | I will not use and change which lower my framerate... but then I have no idea what you are doing exactly |
| 15:11.19 | jzaun | I'll check it out on software only... |
| 15:11.47 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/ss.png <-- old screens hot, much has been added |
| 15:11.54 | Chestal | the lazy drawing of the panel when opacity=1.0 makes a big difference for me |
| 15:12.42 | Chestal | lookls interesting, although the ss does not reveal what most of the areas are used for |
| 15:13.08 | jzaun | thats whats been added, at the time they wer'nt used for anything |
| 15:13.24 | Chestal | but this shoudl be resizable anyway, so it's probably pretty orthogonal to the idea of making the size configurable |
| 15:13.36 | jzaun | It is |
| 15:13.43 | jzaun | works on 640x480 all the way up |
| 15:14.02 | Chestal | what platform do you use for developing? |
| 15:14.07 | jzaun | I've taken great care to make sure or that |
| 15:14.35 | jzaun | linux, though it should compile everywhere BZFlag does, I haven't added anything that would break that |
| 15:14.57 | MrApathyCream | yes large worlds would be nice |
| 15:15.11 | Chestal | was just curious, would be good to have another one using windows, and oen with a fast connection |
| 15:15.12 | bomber | ok i am leaving....cu next year :o))) |
| 15:15.14 | jzaun | MAC, so would smaller worlds, for 1-3 players |
| 15:15.16 | Chestal | bzfs isn't tested very well on windows |
| 15:15.17 | bomber | nbye to all |
| 15:15.24 | Chestal | bye bomber, have a good time |
| 15:15.26 | jzaun | bye |
| 15:15.32 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 15:15.35 | bomber | :o) |
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| 15:16.04 | MrApathyCream | gui options changes fine by me, but i don't really need them |
| 15:16.50 | Chestal | reading boards now... |
| 15:17.30 | Chestal | ah, fiebrchunks shrunk the logo, hurrah |
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| 15:24.29 | jzaun | Chestal: that screenshot has been updated a bit |
| 15:27.29 | Chestal | hmm, what exactly is the "BZFlag Community Portal"? |
| 15:29.00 | vogon | http://cserver.mii.instacontent.net/fastclick/cid6451/media15756.gif <-- bleh. worst ad, EVER. |
| 15:30.56 | jzaun | Chestal: Its basically a stats database |
| 15:31.03 | Chestal | hmm, Spiff is a little bit too extrovert with his religion IMHO |
| 15:31.14 | Chestal | so it refers to stats.bzflag.org? |
| 15:31.23 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: yup |
| 15:31.28 | Chestal | just read a post and didn't know whichsite was referred to |
| 15:31.36 | MrApathyCream | well off to the saltmines |
| 15:32.13 | jzaun | yah the BZFlag Community Portat is stats.bzflag.org |
| 15:34.40 | Chestal | oh, from coal to salt? |
| 16:12.23 | akira|uni | ibot ducatictf |
| 16:12.30 | akira|uni | ibot ducati |
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| 16:29.22 | SPU-KCAB | ps -fu pinky,brain|egrep -ie "narf|zort|fiord|yes|take|over|world" |
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| 17:24.32 | Cell | hi |
| 17:26.04 | jzaun | hi |
| 17:26.28 | SPU-KCAB | hi |
| 17:45.39 | Chestal | 268549s, that's a huge idle time |
| 17:45.55 | Chestal | that's more than 3 days :-) |
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| 17:54.26 | Terminator | hi all |
| 17:54.35 | Terminator | ibot color |
| 17:54.36 | | Terminator: no idea |
| 17:54.42 | Terminator | ibot colour |
| 17:54.43 | | Terminator: wish i knew |
| 17:58.36 | Patlabor221 | bule |
| 17:58.45 | Terminator | ? |
| 17:58.48 | Terminator | blue |
| 17:58.54 | Patlabor221 | blue |
| 17:58.54 | Terminator | not bule |
| 17:59.06 | Patlabor221 | eggplant |
| 17:59.11 | Terminator | ? |
| 17:59.13 | Terminator | lol |
| 18:00.02 | Patlabor221 | something that rymes with orange |
| 18:00.22 | Terminator | hmm |
| 18:00.38 | Terminator | mango? |
| 18:00.40 | Terminator | lol |
| 18:00.57 | Terminator | oh i know |
| 18:01.01 | Terminator | carnage |
| 18:01.05 | Terminator | lol |
| 18:01.20 | Patlabor221 | difrent sound |
| 18:01.26 | Terminator | i know |
| 18:01.36 | Terminator | nothing rhymes with orange |
| 18:01.41 | Terminator | except... |
| 18:01.48 | Terminator | orange |
| 18:02.23 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 18:02.36 | Patlabor221 | or perhaps we have just not found the word yet |
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| 18:08.18 | akira_ | re |
| 18:10.51 | Terminator | g2g |
| 18:10.55 | Terminator | ndinner |
| 18:11.01 | Terminator | bye all |
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| 18:26.35 | Cell | is it better to render a convex polygon as a triangle fan or as a polygon? |
| 18:28.01 | Cell | seems that both send the same amount of data to the driver from the client perspective |
| 18:29.13 | vogon | the GL implementation might decompose the polygon into a triangle fan. |
| 18:29.24 | vogon | (if anything, more efficiently than you're doing.) |
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| 18:38.54 | Patlabor221 | most gl implemtaions do that. |
| 18:39.19 | Patlabor221 | even quads are made into fans |
| 18:41.08 | hardwire | hi |
| 18:47.59 | hardwire | http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-02.html |
| 18:48.01 | hardwire | ttempting |
| 18:52.51 | vogon | <captain_proton> my mom's so dreamy. |
| 18:53.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah but he won't ask her out, cus she goes back to school. |
| 18:54.03 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:54.09 | Cell | ? |
| 18:54.10 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:54.24 | hardwire | so who wants to start up a 3d turn based scorched earth clone? |
| 18:54.52 | hardwire | we could call it.. earth scorch |
| 18:54.57 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:55.11 | hardwire | or.. scorched venus |
| 18:57.04 | Patlabor221 | scorched amsterdam |
| 18:57.07 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:57.38 | Patlabor221 | I asked the guy who owns that if he would let me make a newer verison of it, but he wanted to do it himslef |
| 18:57.46 | hardwire | uh |
| 18:57.48 | Patlabor221 | and he was like the origonal writers dad |
| 18:57.57 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:58.05 | Patlabor221 | his reply was "I got a book on C" |
| 18:58.10 | hardwire | I would dig making a 2d worms clone |
| 18:58.26 | hardwire | everybody working on one sorta doesn't work on it |
| 18:58.52 | hardwire | basically I just wanna learn how to use a fun game engine for a variety of things |
| 18:58.55 | hardwire | I wanna make a game first |
| 18:59.07 | hardwire | then eventually be able to use new happy know how for writing simulations |
| 18:59.09 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm doin |
| 18:59.23 | hardwire | I so far dig the nebula device |
| 18:59.25 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/screamers |
| 18:59.56 | hardwire | wipeout clone? |
| 19:00.02 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:00.02 | hardwire | oh |
| 19:00.33 | hardwire | any real gameplay yet? |
| 19:02.12 | hardwire | CBase? |
| 19:02.22 | Patlabor221 | the base game logic class |
| 19:02.26 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:02.31 | Patlabor221 | difrent game types will derive off the base |
| 19:02.35 | hardwire | oh well |
| 19:03.14 | Patlabor221 | here are screen shots from the test app I made for it |
| 19:03.15 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/index.htm |
| 19:03.43 | hardwire | that looks neat |
| 19:03.50 | hardwire | when where how? |
| 19:04.13 | Patlabor221 | when it's done, here, by sheer force of will |
| 19:04.23 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:04.41 | Patlabor221 | actaly it's by the use of all the cumulated libs I've writen |
| 19:04.43 | hardwire | are you using a game engine for it? |
| 19:04.58 | Patlabor221 | it uses my LGE "engine" |
| 19:05.44 | hardwire | since its your engine |
| 19:05.50 | hardwire | I can't guess what the acronym means |
| 19:06.03 | Patlabor221 | Little GL ENgine |
| 19:06.19 | Patlabor221 | tho it dosn't have much of a scene graph right now |
| 19:06.26 | Patlabor221 | just frustum culls |
| 19:07.34 | akira_ | :) |
| 19:07.37 | akira_ | bzarena :)) |
| 19:07.42 | akira_ | nice patty |
| 19:07.47 | Patlabor221 | that's the old name |
| 19:09.43 | akira_ | "projects by people who are cool" ? |
| 19:09.55 | akira_ | :) |
| 19:10.06 | Patlabor221 | cap |
| 19:10.18 | akira_ | really ? |
| 19:10.19 | akira_ | :) |
| 19:10.24 | Patlabor221 | tho I need to make it link to his page now |
| 19:10.26 | akira_ | bye all, i go off |
| 19:10.44 | Patlabor221 | seeya |
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| 19:21.16 | hardwire | the neoengine looks fun |
| 19:21.45 | Patlabor221 | never heard od it |
| 19:21.50 | Patlabor221 | what type is it? |
| 19:22.03 | hardwire | 3d type |
| 19:22.04 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:22.11 | hardwire | http://neoengine.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 19:22.34 | Patlabor221 | ahh quake3 clone |
| 19:22.39 | Patlabor221 | the Cube one is nice too |
| 19:22.47 | hardwire | got a linkxor? |
| 19:22.51 | Patlabor221 | and it's even a full game, got network and everyti8ng |
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| 19:23.36 | Patlabor221 | just gotta find it |
| 19:23.45 | Patlabor221 | http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/index.php4 |
| 19:23.52 | hardwire | noce domain :) |
| 19:24.05 | hardwire | oooh I have heard of this |
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| 19:27.55 | Cell | done my geric world file: |
| 19:27.56 | Cell | <world> |
| 19:27.56 | Cell | <models> |
| 19:27.56 | Cell | <model> |
| 19:27.56 | Cell | <meshfile type=".cel"></meshfile> |
| 19:27.56 | Cell | <transform></transform> |
| 19:27.57 | Cell | <materials> |
| 19:27.59 | Cell | <material></material> |
| 19:28.01 | Cell | </materials> |
| 19:28.03 | Cell | </model> |
| 19:28.05 | Cell | </models> |
| 19:28.07 | Cell | </world> |
| 19:28.25 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of text for one thing |
| 19:28.29 | sussudio | ~wom |
| 19:28.42 | sussudio | ibot? |
| 19:29.02 | Patlabor221 | here is mine |
| 19:29.02 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/SimpleWorld.txt |
| 19:29.28 | Cell | oh big |
| 19:29.36 | Patlabor221 | well it's a full map |
| 19:29.38 | Patlabor221 | with data |
| 19:30.29 | Patlabor221 | I should make a binary version of it too |
| 19:30.43 | Cell | is it for the maze game |
| 19:30.45 | Cell | ? |
| 19:30.58 | Patlabor221 | ohh no the maze thing was just a test |
| 19:31.03 | Patlabor221 | and that was ALLLL binary |
| 19:31.12 | Patlabor221 | wouldn't want to try that sucker in text |
| 19:31.40 | Cell | :) |
| 19:31.42 | Patlabor221 | that's a standard "outside world with a bunch of stuff in it" |
| 19:32.29 | Cell | do you use any space partitioning? |
| 19:32.57 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 19:33.11 | Patlabor221 | I will proalby do some form of sphere nesting |
| 19:33.33 | hardwire | sounds dirty |
| 19:33.37 | Cell | oh ok |
| 19:34.07 | Patlabor221 | it's only ditry if I call the function "boobify" |
| 19:35.05 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:35.18 | hardwire | Patlabor221: snag the neoengine and the tutorial |
| 19:35.25 | hardwire | and compile the 05_mesh tutorial :) |
| 19:35.37 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 19:35.44 | hardwire | judge dred :) |
| 19:35.54 | Patlabor221 | the q3 model? |
| 19:35.59 | hardwire | their own format |
| 19:36.13 | Patlabor221 | but I'll bet it's pulled form the q3 model |
| 19:36.22 | hardwire | but I'll bet I dunno :)_ |
| 19:36.34 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 19:36.45 | hardwire | I eat a LOOOOOOOOOOOt of papa johns |
| 19:36.47 | hardwire | time to take a break |
| 19:37.03 | Patlabor221 | toopers is better then both those places |
| 19:37.21 | hardwire | I don't think I have a toopers.. or have even heard of one |
| 19:37.29 | Patlabor221 | proabably not |
| 19:37.37 | hardwire | you're so leet |
| 19:38.00 | Patlabor221 | no I just live in a town that has one :) |
| 19:39.11 | Patlabor221 | is this the model? |
| 19:39.12 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/reviews/quake3/judgedredd/judgedredd.shtml |
| 19:40.38 | hardwire | not tellin |
| 19:40.44 | hardwire | you have to compile the neo engine :) |
| 19:40.56 | Patlabor221 | no, I don't realy |
| 19:41.00 | hardwire | yesh! |
| 19:42.05 | Patlabor221 | well it's not like they make it easy for me to do so on windows |
| 19:42.10 | Patlabor221 | bz2 and all that |
| 19:42.32 | hardwire | it comes with visualCblah dspblahs |
| 19:43.24 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it does |
| 19:43.28 | Patlabor221 | but I can't unzip them |
| 19:44.05 | Patlabor221 | damn and they don't even give a link to an unbziper |
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| 19:46.41 | Patlabor221 | so they are now oficaly BASTARDS in my book |
| 19:46.53 | widowmaker | what are bots??? |
| 19:46.56 | hardwire | Patlabor221: use a real os :) |
| 19:47.17 | Patlabor221 | bots are clients that run themselves as players |
| 19:47.27 | Patlabor221 | I am using a real OS< why don't the just gunzip it |
| 19:47.33 | widowmaker | thanx |
| 19:47.44 | hardwire | heh.. snag winrar |
| 19:47.59 | Patlabor221 | its installing now |
| 19:48.20 | hardwire | hmm |
| 19:48.34 | Patlabor221 | offfta |
| 19:48.42 | Patlabor221 | I hear it's less then "prety" |
| 19:48.47 | Patlabor221 | and big time C++ |
| 19:48.58 | hardwire | pretty isn't what I need |
| 19:49.15 | hardwire | I need to snag stats from sonar and recreate things in 3d.. |
| 19:49.17 | Patlabor221 | I mean code wize |
| 19:49.30 | hardwire | ah |
| 19:49.41 | Patlabor221 | raw GL will do that |
| 19:49.45 | hardwire | yeah |
| 19:50.00 | hardwire | I might as well just start learning the base of all 3d goodness |
| 19:50.31 | sussudio | aww cheatboy is on level3.net now |
| 19:51.38 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:51.39 | Patlabor221 | why would you need to tar something before you bzip it, bzip suports dir structures I thought |
| 19:51.47 | hardwire | my cat is squatting outside my door begging for my food |
| 19:52.27 | hardwire | I just squirted him with a squirt gun right under the door |
| 19:52.33 | hardwire | he freaked out and ran into a wall |
| 19:53.38 | hardwire | hmm |
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| 19:58.38 | strayer | hi |
| 20:04.22 | sussudio | yes, very funny..... 8 bots |
| 20:04.42 | sussudio | 2 bans in 10 mins time :-P |
| 20:04.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yeah yeah :( |
| 20:04.53 | sussudio | must be something in the water |
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| 20:30.51 | strayer | hi Cell |
| 20:31.03 | Cell | hi |
| 20:31.28 | strayer | what happend today in DBZ?...i had no time to watch it :( |
| 20:31.34 | strayer | ;) |
| 20:32.27 | hardwire | well |
| 20:32.33 | hardwire | gohan walked up to some dude |
| 20:32.37 | hardwire | fired some stuff at him |
| 20:32.41 | Cell | i dont watch it any more, i saw all sequells, im done with dbz for now |
| 20:32.42 | hardwire | the dude fired stuff back |
| 20:32.49 | hardwire | they talked about being more powerfull for 15 minutes |
| 20:33.07 | hardwire | then gohon turned into some more powerfull form and fired something off.. just to find out he still wasn't powerfull enouggh |
| 20:33.13 | hardwire | then the guy fired something at gohon.. |
| 20:33.17 | strayer | yeah...that's DBZ.....nothing happens during 20minutes :) |
| 20:33.19 | hardwire | it never hit gohon.. so we have to wait |
| 20:33.27 | hardwire | until the next episode |
| 20:33.29 | strayer | aha... |
| 20:33.34 | hardwire | bah |
| 20:33.35 | strayer | thx... |
| 20:33.39 | hardwire | I used to love dragonball |
| 20:33.45 | hardwire | I just can't stand it now |
| 20:33.45 | strayer | me to |
| 20:33.53 | hardwire | blah blah mighty!! |
| 20:33.55 | strayer | but its like a drug |
| 20:33.56 | hardwire | *phwoosh* |
| 20:33.59 | hardwire | blah blah mighty!! |
| 20:34.02 | hardwire | SUPER SAYAN! |
| 20:34.03 | hardwire | *phwoosh* |
| 20:34.28 | hardwire | I think dragonballz was scripted off of a room of children with powertranger toys |
| 20:34.43 | Cell | its boring to watch it on rtl2 10 min dbz-10 min commercial break-10min dbz, that sucks |
| 20:34.53 | strayer | right |
| 20:35.17 | hardwire | hmm.. |
| 20:35.18 | Cell | and first 10 min are 5 min beginning and summary |
| 20:35.30 | hardwire | by the time my roomate is done downloading LOTR TTT.. we will have seen it in theatres |
| 20:35.37 | hardwire | so.. ethically.. can I cancel all his downloads.. |
| 20:35.51 | hardwire | it would be nice to be able to ssh out and work today |
| 20:37.02 | hardwire | woot |
| 20:37.03 | hardwire | brb |
| 20:37.05 | hardwire | got ma ram! |
| 20:42.56 | BZFlag | ~colortest |
| 20:42.57 | | 2c3o4l5o6r7t8e9s10t |
| 20:43.33 | sussudio | ~wom |
| 20:43.45 | sussudio | ibot? |
| 20:48.40 | Pinguin | any mysql-expert here? |
| 20:49.20 | strayer | what do U wanna know? (i am rookie) |
| 20:49.41 | Pinguin | i have to change a root(?) passwort for a specific table ... |
| 20:50.02 | strayer | why? |
| 20:50.31 | Pinguin | because the (stupid) maintainer forgot it ... and i hold the root passwort for the machine ... |
| 20:50.44 | strayer | hehe...hm |
| 20:50.48 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 20:50.51 | strayer | hm...better aks in '#mysql'....they can help U much better than i can |
| 20:50.59 | Pinguin | ok ---- ill try |
| 20:51.29 | strayer | do so...they helped me often enough...hehe |
| 20:57.15 | fiberchunks | lo - what's the config file option for disabling mouse grabbing? is it mousegrab no , or nomousegrab? |
| 20:59.37 | Chestal | mousegrab no I think |
| 21:00.23 | hardwire | yeah |
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| 21:04.00 | fiberchunks | thanks |
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| 21:43.25 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:43.32 | hardwire | is there a super fast software gl lib? |
| 21:44.01 | Patlabor221 | on windows there is the SGIOpenGL implemntation |
| 21:44.08 | Patlabor221 | it's a fast SW imp |
| 21:44.24 | Patlabor221 | I think Mesa is prety good on lin. |
| 21:44.36 | hardwire | it is pretty good |
| 21:44.50 | hardwire | just wondering if there was a dirty cut corners supa fast gl implementation |
| 21:45.19 | Patlabor221 | since most comps have hardware now, proablby not |
| 21:45.49 | hardwire | not my laptop :( |
| 21:47.47 | Patlabor221 | time for an upgrade :) |
| 21:47.55 | Patlabor221 | what's in the laptop? |
| 21:48.00 | Patlabor221 | just like a trident crap? |
| 21:50.24 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 21:50.32 | sussudio | time for the annual untangling..... |
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| 22:36.53 | hardwire | patlabor NeoMagic 256 |
| 22:36.56 | hardwire | doh |
| 22:40.32 | captain_proton | hah |
| 22:40.58 | captain_proton | xchat 1.9 has pixmap green dots for channel op but doesn't allow me to specify per-network nicknames |
| 22:41.21 | hardwire | rawr? |
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| 22:47.28 | captain_proton | heya MrApathyCream |
| 22:48.29 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 22:49.33 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the inevitable has been unavoided. i started downloading the twilight zone |
| 22:50.09 | MrApathyCream | i hate when that happens |
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| 22:53.34 | captain_proton | d20? |
| 22:54.19 | Patlabor221 | d20 |
| 22:54.52 | Patlabor221 | you know a 20 sided polyheadron |
| 22:56.07 | Patlabor221 | d20 is the game system that the new D&D 3rd edition is based on. but they are making other games with same system. |
| 23:03.22 | captain_proton | bah |
| 23:03.27 | captain_proton | why won't mozilla's installer complete? |
| 23:06.12 | Patlabor221 | an "installer" on linux? |
| 23:06.13 | hardwire | life sucks |
| 23:06.15 | hardwire | thats why |
| 23:06.17 | Patlabor221 | those exist? |
| 23:06.22 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: heh, yeah |
| 23:08.38 | sussudio | hah! i can cans and cans of chicken soup! |
| 23:08.49 | bzdougg | REAL soup |
| 23:09.02 | sussudio | yes real soup |
| 23:09.08 | bzdougg | not in a can |
| 23:09.14 | sussudio | yes in a can |
| 23:09.40 | bzdougg | can = ick |
| 23:09.45 | sussudio | you = ick |
| 23:09.58 | bzdougg | sussudio = ick, ick, ick |
| 23:10.05 | hardwire | ick = can can |
| 23:43.26 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~fiberchun@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
