| 00:11.12 | MrApathyCream | another quiet nite *sigh* |
| 00:12.06 | Chestal | it wil soon be very quiet for me |
| 00:12.52 | Chestal | but not before long I'll experience the most exquisite adventures |
| 00:14.49 | Chestal | MAC: you might want to try jzaun's SB patch |
| 00:19.54 | MrApathyCream | i did |
| 00:19.56 | MrApathyCream | works fine |
| 00:20.03 | MrApathyCream | although it prolly weakens sb some |
| 00:20.20 | Chestal | no surprise factor? |
| 00:20.21 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: coming to america? |
| 00:20.25 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: yes |
| 00:20.28 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 00:20.38 | Chestal | me? to America? |
| 00:20.45 | MrApathyCream | the exquisite adventure |
| 00:21.26 | Chestal | no, I'll live them in a different, possibly better world, a world which sights I can not possibly put into words |
| 00:21.30 | Chestal | good night :-) |
| 00:21.40 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 00:21.55 | MrApathyCream | nachty-nacht |
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| 03:04.19 | vogon | autogen.sh:running: automake -a |
| 03:04.20 | vogon | os/Makefile.am:6: libos_la_SOURCES includes configure substitution `@OS@' |
| 03:04.20 | vogon | vidbase/Makefile.am:14: libvidbase_la_SOURCES includes configure substitution `@VIDBASE@' |
| 03:04.23 | vogon | video/Makefile.am:7: libvideo_la_SOURCES includes configure substitution `@DRIVER@' |
| 03:04.26 | vogon | widget/Makefile.am:8: libwidget_la_SOURCES includes configure substitution `@WIDGET@' |
| 03:04.29 | vogon | autogen.sh:error: while running automake -a |
| 03:04.32 | vogon | bah. |
| 03:04.40 | captain_proton | vogon: you should port jetstream to openAL |
| 03:04.51 | vogon | captain_proton: I will, if I can ever get pgserver to compile. |
| 03:05.08 | captain_proton | vogon: did you use jetstream's pgserver_profile? |
| 03:05.19 | vogon | captain_proton: it doesn't even manage to finish automake. |
| 03:06.42 | captain_proton | scanline! |
| 03:06.59 | scanline | eh? |
| 03:07.05 | scanline | oh |
| 03:07.14 | captain_proton | err |
| 03:07.17 | vogon | scanline: pgserver CVS has broken autotool-fu. |
| 03:07.28 | captain_proton | vogon: lurgyman just compiled pgserver CVS |
| 03:07.33 | scanline | vogon: what error exactly? automake usually prints some warnings but it's not serious |
| 03:07.43 | vogon | scanline: look up. |
| 03:07.59 | scanline | erm |
| 03:08.15 | vogon | it seems to have compiled fine, though. |
| 03:08.17 | scanline | what version of automake? |
| 03:08.28 | vogon | bash-2.05a# automake --version |
| 03:08.28 | vogon | automake (GNU automake) 1.5 |
| 03:08.28 | captain_proton | scanline: some broken debian automake package ;-) |
| 03:08.38 | scanline | oh |
| 03:08.44 | scanline | people have reported problems with 1.5 |
| 03:09.02 | vogon | well, then. looks like debian fucks up again. |
| 03:09.13 | scanline | I don't know enough about automake to fix it though, and I haven't really cared since most people seem to be not having problems |
| 03:09.22 | vogon | heh. |
| 03:09.28 | scanline | is there an automake-1.4 you can use? |
| 03:09.47 | vogon | yeah. |
| 03:09.50 | vogon | 41% [1 automake1.4 113320/274kB 41%] 4702B/s 34s |
| 03:10.02 | scanline | that should work |
| 03:10.18 | vogon | looks like am 1.5 has been pulled from unstable. |
| 03:11.11 | vogon | yeah, works now. |
| 03:11.15 | scanline | good |
| 03:11.23 | vogon | I still blame you. |
| 03:11.27 | vogon | because I can. |
| 03:11.36 | scanline | heh... thanks |
| 03:16.53 | vogon | whee, compiling jetstream. |
| 03:17.59 | vogon | blah. |
| 03:18.13 | vogon | you're compiling with G++ 2.95, aren't you? |
| 03:18.25 | scanline | 3.2.1 |
| 03:18.33 | vogon | interesting. |
| 03:20.22 | vogon | because running the jetstream binary yields an unresolved symbol. |
| 03:20.49 | scanline | what symbol exactly? |
| 03:24.04 | vogon | ImportError: modules/JetEngine.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI11DbException |
| 03:25.35 | scanline | Either you don't have libdb_cxx-3.2 or it's compiled wrong |
| 03:25.54 | vogon | scanline: I can't vouch for the latter, but I do have libdb_cxx-3.2. |
| 03:26.04 | scanline | could be compiled with the 2.95 ABI |
| 03:26.17 | vogon | yeah, that sounds like something Debian would do. |
| 03:26.17 | scanline | though the -3.2 would seem to indicate otherwise... |
| 03:26.22 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:26.30 | captain_proton | scanline: that -3.2 is db-3.2, not cxx-3.2 |
| 03:26.36 | scanline | ah |
| 03:26.46 | scanline | vogon: go grab the source from sleepycat and install |
| 03:27.10 | vogon | I will as soon as apt-get allows me to remove the binaries. |
| 03:28.01 | captain_proton | scanline: your libGL is haunted |
| 03:28.25 | scanline | haha |
| 03:31.49 | vogon | gr. |
| 03:32.08 | vogon | wtf is up with people who feel a need to tell their entire life story in the subject lines of their e-mail? |
| 03:32.51 | captain_proton | vogon: Re: I was born in 1983, and began my life in a small town up in the mountains and ... |
| 03:33.19 | vogon | precisely. |
| 03:41.38 | captain_proton | scanline: has ahnkana fallen off the face of the earth? |
| 03:42.28 | scanline | captain_proton: guess so |
| 03:42.36 | captain_proton | we ought to find her |
| 03:42.42 | captain_proton | i know she wanted to see nemesis tonight |
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| 03:47.54 | SPU-KCAB | 'lo |
| 03:49.19 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 03:51.45 | captain_proton | argh |
| 03:52.49 | patlabor221 | a computer won't work? |
| 03:53.05 | captain_proton | patlabor221: people seem to have forgotten that there are operating systems other than windows |
| 03:53.49 | patlabor221 | there are? :) |
| 03:54.01 | patlabor221 | want me to look up anything for you? |
| 03:54.31 | captain_proton | patlabor221: uhhuh |
| 03:54.34 | captain_proton | "everything but the girl" |
| 03:55.02 | patlabor221 | missing everything but the girl? |
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| 03:55.12 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:55.19 | vogon | captain_proton: get WinMX. |
| 03:55.22 | vogon | captain_proton: it runs in Wine. |
| 03:55.28 | captain_proton | ew |
| 03:55.49 | SPU-KCAB | silly java |
| 03:56.03 | vogon | when it comes to copyright infringement, a healthy dose of pragmatism is called for. |
| 03:56.20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:56.38 | patlabor221 | some are coming down now |
| 03:57.07 | patlabor221 | whoever invented the lazer pointer must have had a cat |
| 03:57.49 | SPU-KCAB | you think? |
| 03:58.41 | patlabor221 | I am thinking of staping it to one of the cats |
| 03:58.48 | patlabor221 | so the other can chase it |
| 03:59.07 | SPU-KCAB | stapling or taping? |
| 03:59.26 | SPU-KCAB | cuz I dont think a staple will last long |
| 03:59.41 | patlabor221 | epoxy |
| 03:59.51 | patlabor221 | bonds at a molecular level |
| 03:59.51 | SPU-KCAB | ah |
| 04:00.03 | SPU-KCAB | hm |
| 04:00.45 | SPU-KCAB | Scientists search for perfect pizza |
| 04:01.00 | SPU-KCAB | http://news.google.com/news?num=30&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=cluster:timesofindia%2eindiatimes%2ecom%2fcms%2edll%2fhtml%2funcomp%2farticleshow%2easp%3fartid%3d30991261 |
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| 04:25.58 | patlabor221 | letts see if that will go |
| 04:26.02 | patlabor221 | huzzah |
| 04:26.38 | patlabor221 | man my upsteam sucks |
| 04:34.56 | patlabor221 | cap: that what you looking for? |
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| 05:31.43 | MrApathyCream | Haiku time: |
| 05:31.44 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag is done |
| 05:31.45 | MrApathyCream | Captain Proton is shopping |
| 05:31.45 | MrApathyCream | No development |
| 05:31.46 | MrApathyCream | --------- |
| 05:31.52 | vogon | hahaha. |
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| 05:38.38 | patlabor221 | I did not realize how fun cats and laser pointers were |
| 05:49.23 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:02.08 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: The croissants are ready |
| 06:23.48 | MrApathyCream | Uh-oh, the croissants are burning |
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| 06:39.50 | MrApathyCream | hows the vogon 8000? |
| 06:40.10 | vogon | hah. |
| 06:40.12 | vogon | it just crashed. |
| 06:40.20 | vogon | (gg, VIA.) |
| 06:40.22 | MrApathyCream | kul! |
| 06:40.38 | vogon | haha. |
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| 07:10.15 | scanline | lurgyman: really? how was it? |
| 07:11.40 | lurgyman | well... |
| 07:12.15 | lurgyman | imagine cloning the original star trek v writers |
| 07:12.18 | lurgyman | and Bill Shatner |
| 07:12.29 | lurgyman | giving them all double lobotomies |
| 07:12.35 | scanline | and just add water "Instant Plot Powder"? |
| 07:12.47 | lurgyman | showing them the star trek v cast |
| 07:12.55 | lurgyman | and telling them to make a movie |
| 07:13.07 | scanline | wow, that good eh? |
| 07:13.14 | lurgyman | i wish Nemesis had been half as good as that movie would have been |
| 07:13.20 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:15.45 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 07:15.48 | captain_proton | my final isn't 10am |
| 07:15.51 | captain_proton | its 7:30pm |
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| 07:27.19 | captain_proton | busy like a fox! |
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| 08:03.00 | BZFlag | not making sense like a fox! |
| 08:03.32 | MrApathyCream | At least it's good to know tha tim's great-great-great-great-great-grandson finally got married |
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| 08:06.10 | BZFlag | lurgyman: think it's going to be the last start trek movie? |
| 08:06.15 | BZFlag | er star... |
| 08:19.35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: tim *riker* |
| 08:24.19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: regarding last star trek, i dunno - on one hand, it would mean no more star trek movies. on the other hand, they'd be putting stuff like nemesis out of its misery |
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| 08:40.27 | *** topic/#bzflag is 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" (bz |
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| 08:41.04 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. perhaps. you knew what you were getting into setting up svn though. ;-) |
| 08:41.24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i mean a diff vs. current cvs |
| 08:41.52 | captain_proton | i've been working on merging my changes but there are a good number of added files & such that make creating a diff for you to evaluate more difficult |
| 08:41.53 | BZFlag | make pristine on both and then a diff of the two trees should work fine though, no? just ignore the CVS directories and whatever svn puts in. |
| 08:42.16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: note the 'effort' quantifier |
| 08:42.31 | BZFlag | I do plan to look at the svn stuff sometime... but when is the question. |
| 08:43.38 | captain_proton | when i said 'svn' i mean the code currently in svn - i can even make a tarball if you wish |
| 10:12.04 | BZFlag | test new map on one? |
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| 15:34.30 | ak|ra | moin katos |
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| 15:38.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 15:38.49 | ak|ra | ibot ducatictf |
| 15:38.54 | [TeA|TrEE] | hehe |
| 15:38.54 | [TeA|TrEE] | akira |
| 15:39.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | was ist das jetzt? |
| 15:39.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | ctf |
| 15:39.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | aaah |
| 15:39.17 | [TeA|TrEE] | :=) |
| 15:39.17 | ak|ra | 5155 -> ducati |
| 15:39.22 | ak|ra | 5156 -> ducati ctf |
| 15:39.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | asö |
| 16:03.23 | calico | hi all |
| 16:03.35 | jzaun | Hello |
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| 16:24.36 | hardwire | all hail the vogoneese emporer! |
| 16:24.44 | vogon | hah. |
| 16:24.45 | SPU-KCAB | ~hail |
| 16:25.02 | hardwire | nyup nyup nyup |
| 16:25.10 | hardwire | I don't wanna be awake |
| 16:25.30 | hardwire | I already missed all the fun cartoons |
| 16:26.06 | sussudio | i think the plural of vogon is vogon |
| 16:26.30 | sussudio | same with nationality |
| 16:26.51 | vogon | no, the plural is "vogons." |
| 16:26.58 | vogon | earn some hitchhiker's guide. |
| 16:27.21 | sussudio | nuh |
| 16:27.54 | SPU-KCAB | read us some poetry |
| 16:28.03 | vogon | Oh freddled gruntbuggly, |
| 16:28.07 | vogon | thy micturations are to me |
| 16:28.09 | SPU-KCAB | noooo |
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| 16:28.13 | vogon | as plurdled gabbleblotchits |
| 16:28.15 | vogon | on a lurgid bee. |
| 16:28.36 | SPU-KCAB | lol |
| 16:28.49 | vogon | I'd recite some more, but I'm busy rocking out to cowbells. |
| 16:28.56 | SPU-KCAB | ah |
| 16:29.04 | SPU-KCAB | heh |
| 16:29.36 | ak|ra | ibot ducati |
| 16:29.46 | ak|ra | ibot ducatictf |
| 16:29.59 | vogon | scanline: you're insane. |
| 16:30.05 | vogon | scanline: I bet you don't like Negativland, either. |
| 16:30.16 | sussudio | el hummer is a butthole |
| 16:30.18 | scanline | never heard of it |
| 16:30.49 | vogon | scanline: search your P2P network of choice for MP3/OGG/FLAC/WAV of "Helter Stupid." |
| 16:31.41 | vogon | sussudio: hah. there probably aren't many, if any. |
| 16:31.48 | vogon | it's essentially all voice samples. |
| 16:31.52 | sussudio | so |
| 16:31.54 | vogon | about 50 billion of them. |
| 16:31.56 | sussudio | they worked pretty well |
| 16:32.14 | sussudio | it's not like most music is either complex or non-repetetive these days |
| 16:32.52 | sussudio | i think i have about 700MB of mods somewhere |
| 16:32.55 | sussudio | :-P |
| 16:34.55 | sussudio | one of these days i will restore them from 8mm tape too |
| 16:35.26 | sussudio | along with about 100MB of ansi-art |
| 16:35.28 | SPU-KCAB | ah, 200 hz monitor refresh is much better |
| 16:35.55 | SPU-KCAB | ~dict maniacally |
| 16:36.09 | vogon | wow. |
| 16:36.13 | vogon | what a useful definition. |
| 16:36.18 | SPU-KCAB | ~spell vogon |
| 16:36.19 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'vogon' |
| 16:36.23 | SPU-KCAB | hum |
| 16:36.39 | sussudio | ~spell fart |
| 16:36.39 | | possible spellings for fart: art fat far Bart cart dart hart mart part tart UART wart fort fact fast fare farm |
| 16:36.48 | sussudio | uart! |
| 16:36.53 | scanline | ~spell muon |
| 16:36.53 | | 'muon' may be spelled correctly |
| 16:37.00 | scanline | oh no! |
| 16:37.02 | spU-kcaB | lol |
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| 16:37.18 | spU-kcaB | ~dict fart |
| 16:37.22 | vogon | ~spell crap |
| 16:37.22 | | 'crap' may be spelled correctly |
| 16:37.45 | vogon | ~spell correctly |
| 16:37.45 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'correctly' |
| 16:37.57 | vogon | fuck. |
| 16:38.03 | sussudio | ~spell colonscopy |
| 16:38.03 | | possible spellings for colonscopy: colons copy colons-copy |
| 16:38.04 | vogon | my comedy genius, derailed. |
| 16:38.13 | sussudio | ~dict colons-copy |
| 16:38.21 | vogon | it's colonoscopy. |
| 16:38.23 | sussudio | ibot you're stupid |
| 16:38.25 | | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:38.27 | spU-kcaB | ~dict crap |
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| 16:40.52 | Julies | hi |
| 16:41.17 | Ruudi | seen mandy |
| 16:41.24 | spU-kcaB | ~seen mandy |
| 16:41.32 | | spU-kcaB: i haven't seen 'mandy' |
| 16:41.34 | spU-kcaB | nope |
| 16:41.36 | jzaun | \ |
| 16:41.46 | Ruudi | hmm |
| 16:42.56 | jzaun | exit |
| 16:43.06 | jzaun | sry, wrong window :-) |
| 16:45.24 | sussudio | ibot smurf 216.135.68.133 |
| 16:45.28 | | ACTION DoSes 216.135.68.133 |
| 16:46.02 | sussudio | ~botsnack |
| 16:46.02 | | thanks sussudio :) |
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| 16:47.37 | strayer | hi :) |
| 16:49.27 | sussudio | ~Hi |
| 16:49.51 | sussudio | :-B |
| 16:50.04 | strayer | oups.... |
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| 17:29.18 | Terminator_ | hi all |
| 17:29.24 | Terminator_ | i need help again |
| 17:29.50 | Terminator_ | if i i get patch for bzflag what do i do to add it to bzflag? |
| 17:30.03 | Terminator_ | and i never heard of .diff files before |
| 17:30.12 | Terminator_ | anyone help? |
| 17:31.17 | Terminator_ | i'll come back l8r |
| 17:31.42 | sussudio | idiot. |
| 17:31.58 | strayer | right... |
| 17:36.02 | Ruudi | why idiot? |
| 17:38.04 | strayer | he asked and left the channel....stupid, don't think so? |
| 17:38.25 | Ruudi | well i don't care...maybe he got something else to do and fast... |
| 17:39.05 | sussudio | Ruudi: do you have timestamping on? |
| 17:39.14 | Ruudi | no |
| 17:39.22 | sussudio | [18:35:11] <Terminator_> hi all |
| 17:39.25 | sussudio | [18:37:13] * Quits: Terminator_ (~3eff4004@chat.ircnet.org) (Client Quit) |
| 17:39.38 | Ruudi | i'll come back l8r - means that he had to go |
| 17:39.40 | sussudio | get it now? |
| 17:39.58 | strayer | but he could told that.... |
| 17:40.01 | Ruudi | there is lot of stuff that can happen in a one minute |
| 17:40.10 | MrApathyCream | terminator: You need a tool called patch |
| 17:40.11 | Ruudi | well whatever :) |
| 17:40.17 | MrApathyCream | you need to do it to the source, and recompile |
| 17:40.17 | Ruudi | heheee |
| 17:40.35 | strayer | :) |
| 17:40.42 | Ruudi | heh |
| 17:40.48 | Ruudi | dam english |
| 17:41.07 | sussudio | ~veggiesmite MrApathyCream |
| 17:41.10 | | ACTION dumps some carrots on MrApathyCream |
| 17:41.11 | Ruudi | huh slippy |
| 17:41.20 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 17:41.22 | strayer | mwuhahaha |
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| 17:42.15 | SuperPerfectCell | howdy |
| 17:42.22 | strayer | hi SuperPerfectCell |
| 17:43.21 | SuperPerfectCell | wow, gamtutorials.com has some really good tutorials about quake md3 files |
| 17:44.23 | SuperPerfectCell | someone from germany here who is gona what rtl today? |
| 17:45.08 | SuperPerfectCell | find the superstar show |
| 17:45.19 | SuperPerfectCell | with dieter bohlen |
| 17:45.23 | SuperPerfectCell | lol |
| 17:45.28 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite SuperPerfectCell |
| 17:45.32 | | ACTION smites SuperPerfectCell with a dozen pears |
| 17:45.56 | SuperPerfectCell | tasty performance ibot |
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| 17:48.00 | sussudio | ~veggiesmite Widget |
| 17:48.04 | | ACTION dumps a few cabbage on Widget |
| 17:48.04 | SuperPerfectCell | otown |
| 17:48.11 | Widget | Erk? |
| 17:48.20 | sussudio | it's fruit and veggie time |
| 17:48.24 | Widget | Oh. |
| 17:48.38 | SuperPerfectCell | someone sucks |
| 17:49.33 | SuperPerfectCell | Alton sucks |
| 17:50.27 | SuperPerfectCell | ++ |
| 17:50.49 | SuperPerfectCell | exit |
| 17:52.08 | Wilinckx | re |
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| 18:21.38 | Ruudi | hi ppl |
| 18:21.48 | vogon | heya. |
| 18:21.58 | Ruudi | hoe's it goin' ? |
| 18:22.15 | Ruudi | by the way is there been any leaque activity ? |
| 18:22.17 | Ruudi | lately.. |
| 18:42.07 | bzgirl | Ruudi: not very much |
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| 20:06.43 | Terminator | hi all |
| 20:06.49 | Terminator | [dmp] are there? |
| 20:07.02 | Chestal | hi Term |
| 20:07.08 | Terminator | AH HI |
| 20:07.10 | Terminator | oops |
| 20:07.20 | Terminator | are three moles availiable |
| 20:07.36 | Chestal | oh, don't think so |
| 20:07.42 | Terminator | oh ok nm |
| 20:07.43 | Chestal | I am at home, I usually play at work |
| 20:07.52 | Terminator | i got another question |
| 20:07.54 | Terminator | lol |
| 20:08.00 | Terminator | only play at work |
| 20:08.14 | Terminator | oh yeah nm that |
| 20:08.26 | Chestal | hmm, another day without beign able to connect to yahoo messenger |
| 20:08.39 | Terminator | how do u use patches that u download |
| 20:08.41 | sussudio | and a joyous day it is |
| 20:09.00 | Terminator | i never heard of .diff files before |
| 20:09.01 | sussudio | Terminator: patch -p0 < toilet.diff |
| 20:09.12 | Terminator | shut up |
| 20:09.15 | sussudio | no |
| 20:09.18 | sussudio | you shut up |
| 20:09.30 | Terminator | so chestal can u tell me how to use patches |
| 20:09.37 | sussudio | Chestal: was i wrong? |
| 20:10.13 | Terminator | sussudio even if u are correct |
| 20:10.14 | sussudio | or did i in fact, give a perfectly good answer...... |
| 20:10.20 | Terminator | where do u type that? |
| 20:10.32 | sussudio | you type it in the directory containing your source |
| 20:10.39 | Terminator | huh? |
| 20:10.43 | Chestal | Terminator: these are source patches, so you have to get the latest source code, the patch then apply the patch utility as sussudio wrote |
| 20:11.13 | Chestal | I don't know how it's done on Windows without cygwn environment, maybe you have to get a path utility first |
| 20:11.26 | Chestal | if you have CVS on windows, it probably can do this |
| 20:11.31 | Terminator | ok i don't understand one bit what ur talking about |
| 20:11.31 | sussudio | what patch are you trying to apply? |
| 20:11.42 | Terminator | lazurus |
| 20:11.44 | Chestal | Terminator: there migh tbe 3 other >Moles available, I can try and ask if you want |
| 20:11.50 | sussudio | "lazurus" |
| 20:11.52 | Terminator | hmm |
| 20:12.01 | Chestal | Terminator: are you on Windows or Unix? |
| 20:12.11 | sussudio | Chestal: do you even have to ask? |
| 20:12.14 | Terminator | Chestal: wonder wether am in the mood for getting thrashed right now |
| 20:12.16 | Terminator | lol |
| 20:12.24 | Terminator | chestal of course windows |
| 20:12.37 | Chestal | Terminator: do you have a compiler, Visual C++? |
| 20:12.55 | Terminator | ah forget the patches |
| 20:13.02 | Terminator | i can't be bothered |
| 20:13.05 | sussudio | Chestal: i found that funny |
| 20:13.37 | Terminator | how is that funny? |
| 20:13.46 | Terminator | i do have a compiler by the way |
| 20:13.52 | Terminator | :-P |
| 20:14.11 | Terminator | i know |
| 20:14.22 | Terminator | but i also wanted to maybe use the sb patch |
| 20:14.30 | Terminator | so sb's look different |
| 20:14.31 | sussudio | "This can't be added to BZFlag until version 1.8 because of |
| 20:14.31 | sussudio | the networking change, which makes your modified version |
| 20:14.31 | sussudio | incompatible with earlier clients. :)" |
| 20:14.43 | sussudio | this patch is for 1.8. 1.8 is dead. therefore this patch is obsolete. |
| 20:14.47 | Chestal | the sb patch is a small but nice patch |
| 20:14.53 | sussudio | the sb patch is for 1.7g0. |
| 20:15.03 | Terminator | i have 1.7g0 |
| 20:15.13 | Terminator | but foget it |
| 20:15.13 | sussudio | Terminator: the lazarus patch is for 1.8 |
| 20:15.19 | Terminator | o |
| 20:15.21 | Terminator | k |
| 20:15.25 | sussudio | do you get the point about patches being for specific versions? |
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| 20:15.30 | Terminator | yup |
| 20:15.35 | Terminator | i do now |
| 20:15.38 | Chestal | hi jolly |
| 20:15.39 | sussudio | yay |
| 20:15.47 | jolly | hello |
| 20:15.59 | sussudio | btw i have a patched 1.7g0 with the flagToggle patch already applied...... |
| 20:16.01 | Terminator | thanx sussudio for once u were actually helpful insted of annoying ;-) |
| 20:16.03 | *** part/#bzflag Terminator (~Terminato@public1-seve4-6-cust16.walt.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 20:16.08 | sussudio | patlabor compiled it |
| 20:16.16 | Chestal | flagtoggle is ok, but should be restricted to radar |
| 20:16.23 | Chestal | togglign flags in 3D just doesn't feel right# |
| 20:16.30 | sussudio | yeah i found that out too |
| 20:16.59 | sussudio | if anyone wants it, it's in http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bzflag/patched/ |
| 20:17.09 | sussudio | .gz is the linux binary, the .zip is for windoze. |
| 20:17.13 | sussudio | the patch is also there |
| 20:17.25 | ak|ra | Chestal: abend kleene wuestenratte |
| 20:17.26 | ak|ra | :) |
| 20:17.33 | ak|ra | Chestal: warst du vorhnin @ auf ducati= |
| 20:17.36 | ak|ra | Chestal: warst du vorhnin @ auf ducati? |
| 20:17.40 | Chestal | ak|ra: nö |
| 20:17.42 | sussudio | * patch will not work on cvs, only unmodified 1.7g0 source |
| 20:18.23 | ak|ra | Chestal: ok |
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| 20:43.54 | ak|ra | hallo supercell |
| 20:47.19 | _Alton_ | ji akira |
| 20:48.01 | _Alton_ | what character format would u prefer .md2 .md3 .md4 or .mdl? |
| 20:49.45 | ak|ra | _Alton_: i dont mind .. dont know each of them in detail |
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| 21:01.07 | captain_proton | lurgyman just made a funny client |
| 21:01.19 | captain_proton | its bouncing all the time, and the amount depends on your forward velocity |
| 21:01.22 | captain_proton | could be a fun new game mode :) |
| 21:04.04 | spU-kcaB | hmm |
| 21:04.09 | spU-kcaB | that sounds neat |
| 21:04.18 | spU-kcaB | what did he change? |
| 21:04.35 | spU-kcaB | hmm, or better yet, have it a bad flag |
| 21:04.54 | captain_proton | well its not really a bad flag because its easy to jump very high to avoid situations |
| 21:05.18 | spU-kcaB | oh? |
| 21:05.26 | spU-kcaB | it jumps higher than normal? |
| 21:05.28 | spU-kcaB | hmmm |
| 21:05.33 | captain_proton | quite a bit :) |
| 21:05.39 | spU-kcaB | good flag then |
| 21:05.58 | spU-kcaB | upload a patch lurgyman |
| 21:06.07 | captain_proton | i'd like to see new game style |
| 21:06.16 | captain_proton | more flags aren't really necessary, but new game styles are |
| 21:06.20 | spU-kcaB | yea |
| 21:06.37 | spU-kcaB | like bombing run style? |
| 21:06.49 | spU-kcaB | where 2 teams have to get a flag and take it back to the base? |
| 21:07.24 | spU-kcaB | hmm, you seen colobot? and how the coding works? |
| 21:07.31 | captain_proton | nope |
| 21:07.47 | spU-kcaB | its a great game, and the robot code is rather simple |
| 21:07.56 | spU-kcaB | C style too |
| 21:08.03 | spU-kcaB | like: |
| 21:08.33 | spU-kcaB | item = radar (Me) |
| 21:08.33 | spU-kcaB | ;goto (item.position); |
| 21:09.25 | spU-kcaB | there website has some code up there, some really complex stuff too |
| 21:09.47 | spU-kcaB | hmm, I have 2 bots right now fetching stuff |
| 21:11.34 | ak|ra | bye all |
| 21:12.12 | spU-kcaB | cya |
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| 21:19.27 | BZFlag | anyone try the new mods on one's map today? |
| 21:20.04 | sussudio | wha? |
| 21:20.15 | BZFlag | ~bzflist one.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 21:20.27 | BZFlag | ~bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 21:21.46 | paul | someone pretending to be me? |
| 21:35.13 | captain_proton | BZFlag: lurgy promises to run his own server for that from now on |
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| 21:36.05 | captain_proton | i'm planning to go at midnight |
| 21:36.09 | sussudio | Patlabor221: you're that fat that you need 7 seats? |
| 21:36.26 | Patlabor221 | no, for all the women that are going with me |
| 21:36.34 | sussudio | riiiight |
| 21:36.42 | Patlabor221 | no realy |
| 21:37.07 | lurgyman | BZFlag kicked me, and for good reason :-p |
| 21:37.21 | Patlabor221 | I'll proalby have to order more tickets too, we are geting a rather large party together it seems |
| 21:37.22 | lurgyman | but i have another flag idea! |
| 21:37.32 | BZFlag | looks funny but it's just another cheat client in the end. |
| 21:38.00 | BZFlag | if all players have it, then it coud be fun. sure run your own server for it. |
| 21:38.01 | lurgyman | definitely |
| 21:38.05 | captain_proton | BZFlag: well, i'll play around. i think a client that does lots of little bounces (not the big ones) could be fun as a gamestyle |
| 21:38.19 | BZFlag | just not how a tank acts. |
| 21:38.30 | captain_proton | well jumping isn't either ;-) |
| 21:38.38 | BZFlag | now make the tanks birds or something... ;-) |
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| 21:38.53 | sussudio | bunnies! |
| 21:39.06 | lurgyman | we can call it the giraffe flag, and leave people to imaging bouncing giraffes |
| 21:39.07 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:39.31 | lurgyman | i think we've (I'vecare |
| 21:39.38 | lurgyman | * scared away BZFlag |
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| 22:33.47 | spU-kcaB | lurgyman: you got a patch? |
| 22:50.37 | scanline | if 'ti' is an iterator, shouldn't "&(*ti)" give me a pointer to the data the iterator is pointing to? |
| 22:55.19 | scanline | ah.. now there's a quality piece of STL code |
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| 22:58.18 | cell | hi patlabor |
| 23:00.28 | cell | i looked at torque engine, and played the demo, and i am not that satisfied, cause it is looking liilt bit cheap |
| 23:00.51 | cell | maybe it is my card |
| 23:02.43 | cell | but nevertheless i am thinking of just using 2d billboards for all sprites, of coz this will take lot of texture mem and is limited in other ways |
| 23:04.04 | cell | the biggest problem of animated 3d models i see is that it is not clean, maybe it would just need more antialiasing |
| 23:05.11 | cell | i have to do some more tests |
| 23:06.16 | scanline | what's the torque engine? |
| 23:06.29 | cell | the one used in tribes 2 |
| 23:06.39 | cell | www.garagegames.com |
| 23:06.55 | scanline | what for? |
| 23:07.24 | cell | for 3d indoor and outdoor scenes( general purpose) |
| 23:07.31 | scanline | what are you using it for? |
| 23:07.36 | cell | its has avery nice community |
| 23:08.02 | cell | i want make a little game |
| 23:08.30 | scanline | how about helping captain_proton and I with an engine instead of using that one :) |
| 23:08.58 | cell | what engine? |
| 23:09.19 | scanline | for jetstream |
| 23:09.38 | scanline | a new engine we're writing.. open source, everything based on CLOD procedural surfaces |
| 23:09.49 | cell | currently jetstream is another type of game |
| 23:10.12 | cell | than i want to do |
| 23:10.22 | scanline | well yeah.. but the engine is flexible |
| 23:10.46 | cell | what are CLOD procedural surfaces |
| 23:10.52 | cell | ? |
| 23:11.22 | scanline | CLOD == continuous level of detail, and procedural surfaces are like 3D models that are generated from mathematical descriptions as needed |
| 23:11.47 | scanline | so you can have worlds that are both very large and very detailed, and you should never get jagged edges on surfaces that should be smooth |
| 23:11.57 | cell | CLOD for terrain? |
| 23:12.01 | scanline | for everything |
| 23:12.08 | cell | for characters? |
| 23:12.10 | scanline | for everything |
| 23:12.21 | cell | and what about animation? |
| 23:12.32 | cell | something planned here? |
| 23:12.37 | scanline | we'll probably use quaternions and splines |
| 23:13.11 | scanline | plus, it's all scriptable from Python, and has a neat system for storing the world that supports 'forking' and modifying |
| 23:13.18 | cell | on mesh level(transform matrix) or on vertices |
| 23:13.49 | cell | my modells are skinned meshes |
| 23:13.51 | scanline | I haven't thought about animation much yet, but I'm assuming we'll use something with bones and inverse kinematics |
| 23:14.08 | scanline | well, you'll want to redo those models using NURBS... 100% procedural, remember? |
| 23:14.18 | scanline | :) |
| 23:15.14 | cell | that sound too complicated to be done, it sounds like a dream too me, but i dont know what you can do |
| 23:15.42 | scanline | well, it's the goal.. and I don't see any reason it can't be done |
| 23:16.04 | scanline | it will be able to scale back the detail depending on the available CPU and GPU power |
| 23:16.59 | scanline | After looking at the current state of terrain rendering algorithms and software, I don't see why we shouldn't be able to do photorealistic terrain in realtime |
| 23:17.07 | scanline | something with at least the quality of Terragen |
| 23:17.20 | cell | and how does that CLOD work, or what data structure do you use to hold the procedural data |
| 23:18.04 | scanline | it's a triangle quadtree |
| 23:18.19 | scanline | a generalization of the Diamond algorithm, which is an improved version of ROAM |
| 23:18.58 | cell | dont know each |
| 23:19.02 | scanline | when an area of the mesh needs refinement, it subdivides a triangle into 4 triangles and uses the procedural model to calculate three new vertices |
| 23:19.22 | scanline | when an area has too much detail it merges those 4 back into 1 triangle |
| 23:19.46 | scanline | so the amount of computation is mostly dependent on how many vertices are added or deleted in a frame, usually a small number |
| 23:20.31 | cell | and how does it know if it has too much detail? |
| 23:20.37 | scanline | what's even neater is that at any stage in computation you still have a valid mesh, so we'll be able to tell a particular surface to spend a particular amount of wallclock time refining itself as a way of throttling the CPU usage |
| 23:21.07 | scanline | that's computed by a function that takes into account things like the variance of the surface, distance from camera, and angle between the polygon and the camera |
| 23:21.58 | cell | wow, that sounds pretty complicated too me, how fast is that? |
| 23:22.47 | scanline | soon I'll find out :) |
| 23:23.02 | cell | it is rendered as a series of triangle strips? |
| 23:23.07 | scanline | though the author of the Diamond algorithm had a lot of success with it apparently, and this is just a generalization of Diamond to arbitrary surfaces |
| 23:23.23 | scanline | yes, the big improvement of Diamond over ROAM is that it's easier to render with triangle strips |
| 23:23.28 | cell | did the author also provide a demo |
| 23:23.36 | scanline | yeah, but I can't run it.. windows only |
| 23:23.53 | cell | if so i think i played with it around a year ago |
| 23:23.55 | scanline | and I really don't care about the demo.. just the postscript document :) |
| 23:24.07 | cell | yes read that |
| 23:25.23 | cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.30 | scanline | the next step to get good terrain of course is the procedural function... we'll be using a preprocessing step to do global terraforming that picks a combination of basic functions to use, then those functions will be combined and run as the mesh is subdivided |
| 23:26.16 | scanline | some of these functions, like the global erosion data, will just be precomputed heightmaps.. others like high-frequency noise will be computed in real time |
| 23:27.00 | cell | impressive |
| 23:27.22 | scanline | Perlin noise and fractional brownian motion are your friends :) |
| 23:27.56 | scanline | on top of the terrain, we'll need models for the atmosphere, water, and clouds |
| 23:28.22 | cell | what is perlin noise? |
| 23:28.27 | scanline | the water can be done with fourier synthesis or perlin noise, clouds are just perlin noise plus an exponential function |
| 23:29.02 | scanline | perlin noise is a combination of smoothed random noise (usually with cubic or cosine interpolation) at multiple frequencies |
| 23:29.43 | scanline | it's pretty neat, as it visually looks like several natural phenomena, and it's easy to compute the value of the noise function at a particular location knowing only that location and the random number seed |
| 23:30.14 | cell | is that all in the postscrpt document? |
| 23:30.36 | scanline | no, this is completely separate from the Diamond document |
| 23:30.40 | captain_proton | scanline: are you bragging again? |
| 23:30.46 | scanline | there are a lot of good resources on the web about terrain generation |
| 23:30.48 | scanline | captain_proton: uh huh |
| 23:31.07 | scanline | captain_proton: trying to get cell interested in jetstream :) |
| 23:31.08 | captain_proton | how goes that diamond implementation? |
| 23:31.36 | scanline | captain_proton: banging my head on the STL a bit trying to get this function to compute seed mesh neighbors working |
| 23:31.46 | scanline | think I've got the STL crankiness under control now |
| 23:31.49 | captain_proton | scanline: dan is learning blender :) |
| 23:32.06 | scanline | yay |
| 23:32.40 | scanline | hopefully we'll be able to make characters and ships in blender with NURBS and have an "export to JetCOW" plugin =) |
| 23:33.31 | cell | you are currently some levels upon my knowledge, when i thing on NURBS math( especially thenumerical part) i get panic |
| 23:33.53 | scanline | I haven't implemented any NURBS yet, it's just in the plans |
| 23:34.11 | cell | projecting nurbs curves onto surfaces , help |
| 23:34.15 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:34.35 | scanline | one of the neat things this Surface object we have should allow is composing many layers of functions over an arbitrary surface |
| 23:35.11 | captain_proton | cell: run, as far as you can |
| 23:35.13 | scanline | planets will be a sphere primitive with several layers of various functions composed, but you could use it for example to make a bumpy wall |
| 23:35.36 | scanline | I'd like to eventually get it to use surface detail that's beyond it's mesh resolution to generate a bump map :) |
| 23:36.01 | captain_proton | pixel shaders are good at bump-mapping |
| 23:36.10 | scanline | yep |
| 23:36.29 | scanline | would definitely be one of those things that only gets turned on if you have CPU and pixel shaders to spare |
| 23:36.56 | scanline | though maybe it could also have an option to render to a static lightmap texture |
| 23:37.18 | captain_proton | scanline: emerge blender =) |
| 23:37.25 | cell | seems like it gets more and more difficult(work) to use all those extensions |
| 23:37.50 | scanline | cell: well, you just have to have an engine that will handle the extensions with as much abstraction as possible |
| 23:38.08 | scanline | though OpenGL 2.0 should be pretty spiffy |
| 23:38.33 | cell | hope so, cause i prefer directX |
| 23:39.07 | scanline | bleh |
| 23:39.27 | jzaun | DirectX is in no way cross-platform though |
| 23:39.47 | scanline | I haven't used directX in ages, but from what I remember it was hideous |
| 23:39.47 | jzaun | Though back in my windows days, I did like codeing in it |
| 23:40.00 | jzaun | Its very similar to SDL for 2D work |
| 23:40.03 | cell | scanline: it got much better |
| 23:41.06 | cell | i mean it does not use all the opengl extensions, its only one package |
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| 23:41.19 | cell | one style |
| 23:41.22 | scanline | cell: but it's not portable |
| 23:41.57 | cell | it is, like opengl, but it is not open source |
| 23:41.57 | scanline | I love the way the OpenGL API is designed... simple functions with simple parameters that can be combined in neat ways. Just like Unix, or PicoGUI |
| 23:42.11 | scanline | cell: you're saying DirectX is portable? |
| 23:42.14 | scanline | hahahaha |
| 23:42.16 | cell | yes thats what i like too |
| 23:42.47 | scanline | last I looked at DirectX it was like 12 parameters to do anything |
| 23:43.42 | cell | it does not have all those glVertex functions, you deal with arrays from the start |
| 23:43.57 | cell | like glInterlevedArray |
| 23:44.10 | scanline | how does that make directx portable? |
| 23:44.59 | cell | why not, nvidia supports it, so it just needs a wrapper and some support of the OS like opengl for the context |
| 23:45.25 | captain_proton | you want to translate between directx and opengl?! |
| 23:45.52 | sussudio | bah everyone on bzflag sucks today |
| 23:45.54 | cell | no, that was done between glide and opengl as far as i know :=) |
| 23:46.08 | sussudio | either that or flagToggle.patch is giving me an unfair advantage |
| 23:46.38 | captain_proton | glide is very similar to opengl |
| 23:46.41 | cell | the bad thing is that directX useses the com architecture |
| 23:46.48 | cell | to setup |
| 23:47.10 | captain_proton | the *only* good thing about directx is the texture handling |
| 23:47.12 | cell | so it relies on the com infrastructure |
| 23:47.24 | scanline | heh.. directx uses com, and from what I remember it has win32isms, and you're saying it would be a good portable API? |
| 23:47.25 | cell | yes you can lock the surface and blit |
| 23:48.15 | cell | a it uses very very few win32 functions |
| 23:48.37 | cell | just for setting up the window and screen settings |
| 23:49.29 | cell | then it directly uses the HAL to comunicate with the driver |
| 23:56.22 | cell | but im still thinging if i should use animated billboards or real 3d models, as i looked at the explosion sequenze rgb image from bzflag i was pretty suprised that a 256x256 texture as holds so many frames, the explosions seem so large to me in action :) |
| 23:58.34 | cell | next i asked if it is possible to save only the diff from frame to frame, but this would be difficult to realize with opengl but not with directX when drawing the frames |
| 23:59.38 | cell | thanks to its strong blitting caps |