| 00:00.15 | ak|ra | scanline: i meant .. encode . AVI ? :) |
| 00:00.25 | scanline | hmm? |
| 00:00.42 | scanline | I had jetstream encoding to uncompressed AVI, but the data rate required for that is astronomical |
| 00:01.07 | scanline | we could use libavifile or something to make compressed AVIs, but that would add dependencies, plus most codecs aren't designed for realtime recording |
| 00:01.28 | scanline | nuppelvideo is designed to be fast, and since mplayer supports it we can mencode to divx afterwards |
| 00:01.39 | ak|ra | right |
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| 00:10.08 | otherproton | well i'm off, trekking back to campus |
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| 00:26.26 | scanline | nuppelvideo is designed to be fast, and since mplayer supports it we can mencode to divx afterwards |
| 00:26.28 | scanline | oops |
| 00:31.55 | ak|ra | you said this before :) |
| 00:32.22 | scanline | yeah.. did an uparrow-enter without realizing what window had focus |
| 00:33.28 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 00:33.30 | ak|ra | know that |
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| 01:13.42 | DrVankman | Hello all |
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| 01:13.59 | DrVankman | I'm working on an enhanced server/client for the donkey lab... |
| 01:14.11 | DrVankman | I was wondering if anyone could point me to the file that interprets the map |
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| 02:07.47 | Noodleman | ibot seen jzaun |
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| 02:15.02 | ak|ra | hello proton |
| 02:15.07 | captain_proton | hello |
| 02:15.29 | ak|ra | how could i make a diff from one dir with another? |
| 02:18.14 | captain_proton | diff -Nru old new (i think) |
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| 02:26.12 | ak|ra | yep |
| 02:26.15 | ak|ra | kindof |
| 02:31.20 | ak|ra | thanx |
| 02:31.28 | ak|ra | so .. the patch for e6 is ready :) |
| 02:33.55 | captain_proton | patch for -e6- ? |
| 02:35.17 | ak|ra | yep .. remember chestal/akira-patch for the e6 client switch new hud / old hud and radar stuff? |
| 02:36.33 | captain_proton | will it apply to current cvs? |
| 02:37.17 | ak|ra | not at the moment |
| 02:37.36 | ak|ra | i managed it to compile vs cvs but looks crazy in startmenu |
| 02:37.45 | ak|ra | too big fonts and a bit disturbed |
| 02:38.11 | ak|ra | so i patched first e6 and took chestals patch (for cvs) and my them both work |
| 02:38.19 | captain_proton | guh |
| 02:38.26 | ak|ra | so at least I could play the way i want |
| 02:38.40 | ak|ra | but now i have the same ugly first look in e6 too |
| 02:38.49 | ak|ra | dont know why |
| 02:40.31 | ak|ra | at the moment the diff shows not differences but it looks crazy |
| 02:40.38 | ak|ra | wann take a look at it? |
| 02:41.12 | captain_proton | not at the moment |
| 02:41.27 | ak|ra | *cry* |
| 02:41.33 | ak|ra | YOU DONT LOVE ME ANYMORE |
| 02:41.35 | ak|ra | :(( |
| 02:41.36 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 02:42.41 | ak|ra | hello MrApathyCream |
| 02:42.45 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:42.45 | WinkyGuy | Ak|ra == A-cry-a ;-) |
| 02:42.51 | ak|ra | wann help me a second? |
| 02:42.51 | WinkyGuy | Hey MrA |
| 02:42.57 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 02:43.07 | MrApathyCream | just got a second |
| 02:43.10 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 02:43.15 | ak|ra | download e6 |
| 02:43.23 | MrApathyCream | from cvs? |
| 02:43.27 | ak|ra | nope |
| 02:43.29 | ak|ra | regular |
| 02:43.38 | MrApathyCream | pre built? |
| 02:43.48 | ak|ra | nope .. source |
| 02:44.46 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:44.55 | ak|ra | done? |
| 02:45.05 | MrApathyCream | hahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 02:45.20 | ak|ra | whats so funny? |
| 02:45.30 | MrApathyCream | what'ya think i have, cable, dsl, t1? |
| 02:45.44 | ak|ra | dsl? |
| 02:45.45 | MrApathyCream | two cans and a string pulled taught! |
| 02:45.48 | ak|ra | at least :) |
| 02:46.21 | MrApathyCream | oops dcc send patch again |
| 02:46.32 | MrApathyCream | 18% |
| 02:46.59 | MrApathyCream | 23% |
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| 02:49.37 | MrApathyCream | 50% |
| 02:49.56 | ak|ra | http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~gumz/dateien/bzflag/chestal_akira_combined_for_e6.diff.gz |
| 02:50.00 | ak|ra | this file :) |
| 02:50.06 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:50.13 | ak|ra | and then : patch -p0 < diff |
| 02:51.29 | MrApathyCream | what's the 'r' in diff -ru? |
| 02:52.06 | MrApathyCream | 80% |
| 02:53.29 | ak|ra | dont know |
| 02:53.36 | MrApathyCream | 100% |
| 02:53.40 | ak|ra | :) it works |
| 02:54.40 | ak|ra | captain_proton: i think i could try to make things work in cvs too |
| 02:56.34 | WinkyGuy | man diff says "-r When comparing directories, recursively compare any subdirectories found" |
| 02:56.41 | MrApathyCream | patched |
| 02:56.50 | MrApathyCream | building |
| 02:57.03 | ak|ra | of coz |
| 02:57.06 | ak|ra | too late for me |
| 02:57.58 | MrApathyCream | hhmm, that's odd i never specify that and it still works |
| 02:58.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: cvs diff does that for you |
| 02:58.54 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: i had to patch real directories instead of cvs stuff |
| 02:59.01 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 02:59.22 | MrApathyCream | a couple of simple errors in HUDRenderer.cxx, but otherwise compiles |
| 02:59.36 | ak|ra | what kindof errors? |
| 03:00.15 | WinkyGuy | Does anybody know who's working on a MacOS X port? |
| 03:00.23 | ak|ra | not me |
| 03:00.24 | MrApathyCream | eddienull (kevin avila |
| 03:00.56 | MrApathyCream | fixed in dcc file |
| 03:01.20 | captain_proton | WinkyGuy: most of the osx stuff is the same - what is your question? |
| 03:01.33 | ak|ra | thanx MrApathyCream -> which compiler? |
| 03:01.41 | MrApathyCream | MSVC |
| 03:01.44 | WinkyGuy | I sent him some email about a month ago and he hasn't responded yet |
| 03:02.15 | ak|ra | win32 .. i see the <cr> s ::)))) |
| 03:02.22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:02.23 | MrApathyCream | sorry |
| 03:02.36 | ak|ra | fuck .. now is dont see differences .. |
| 03:02.59 | ak|ra | who has the sed for dos2unx? |
| 03:03.13 | MrApathyCream | line 953, 965, 966 |
| 03:03.27 | MrApathyCream | 953 i double declared |
| 03:03.36 | MrApathyCream | 965 x needs cast to float |
| 03:03.41 | MrApathyCream | 966 y needs cast to float |
| 03:04.11 | WinkyGuy | Good thing DervishDukot isn't in or you'd be "banned for life using IP protocols" ;-) |
| 03:04.14 | ak|ra | msvc7? |
| 03:04.20 | MrApathyCream | 6 |
| 03:04.28 | WinkyGuy | Sorry, been playing at turkey too long. |
| 03:04.37 | ak|ra | that one is crap :) |
| 03:04.44 | ak|ra | a lot of problems with namescoping |
| 03:04.54 | MrApathyCream | I'm waiting for RCAM to upgrade me |
| 03:05.35 | WinkyGuy | What's namescoping |
| 03:05.53 | ak|ra | WinkyGuy .. c++ |
| 03:06.12 | ak|ra | but .. in c its the same |
| 03:06.24 | ak|ra | a scope is the area a variable is valid |
| 03:06.43 | MrApathyCream | meaning for (int i = 0; i < 1;i++){} for (int i = 0; i < 1; i++) {} |
| 03:06.52 | MrApathyCream | will get error on second declaration of i |
| 03:06.56 | ak|ra | in a for (int i;;){ } the i should be only valid in the for loop |
| 03:07.15 | ak|ra | thats an compiler error |
| 03:07.18 | MrApathyCream | actually i believe that problem is allowed by c++ standard |
| 03:07.30 | MrApathyCream | iirc |
| 03:07.41 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: all other compiler allow this as far as i know |
| 03:07.47 | WinkyGuy | I think it might be ANSI C, too. |
| 03:07.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: it was for a while but now it doesn't |
| 03:08.10 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:08.18 | ak|ra | x and y need to be cast do float? |
| 03:08.21 | ak|ra | which line again? |
| 03:08.31 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.36 | ak|ra | or in gluProject? |
| 03:08.38 | MrApathyCream | 965,966 |
| 03:08.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.22 | ak|ra | ah, there .. ok |
| 03:09.23 | ak|ra | thats right |
| 03:10.25 | ak|ra | started it already? |
| 03:10.35 | MrApathyCream | any particular server? |
| 03:10.43 | ak|ra | lets take 5156 |
| 03:10.46 | ak|ra | as an observer |
| 03:11.00 | MrApathyCream | at ducati? |
| 03:19.00 | ak|ra | in my file here the labels will be rendered white -> better contrast |
| 03:21.03 | MrApathyCream | remapping to '4' worked fine |
| 03:21.12 | MrApathyCream | probably just conflict with identify key |
| 03:21.14 | ak|ra | l is indexing i guess |
| 03:21.17 | ak|ra | yes |
| 03:21.30 | MrApathyCream | only works in roaming i assume? |
| 03:21.30 | ak|ra | chestal guessed it but got no idea where to put it else |
| 03:21.31 | ak|ra | :) |
| 03:21.33 | ak|ra | yes |
| 03:21.56 | ak|ra | and i think whte is a better color as long no "background" color is there |
| 03:22.38 | ak|ra | labelsKey is the entry in .bzc |
| 03:23.11 | MrApathyCream | yes found it |
| 03:27.03 | ak|ra | something else wrong? |
| 03:27.09 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 03:27.22 | ak|ra | then thanx a lot mac |
| 03:27.24 | MrApathyCream | well, other than riker probably being cranky about it |
| 03:27.26 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 03:27.28 | MrApathyCream | cu later |
| 03:27.34 | ak|ra | cranky :)) |
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| 05:13.34 | MrApathyCream | whatever happened to other_proton? he was such a pleasant fellow |
| 05:14.00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: he fell asleep |
| 05:14.07 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 05:15.31 | MrApathyCream | woowoo up to 4.72 k/s download speed!! isp is running fast tonite! |
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| 07:26.54 | bomber_ | moin |
| 07:36.37 | MrApathyCream | nite |
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| 08:14.30 | sussudio | http://www.aldi.nl/OFFER_NL/OFFER_49/COMP.HTML |
| 08:14.39 | sussudio | they should call it "Nutburner 2003" |
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| 08:49.47 | bomber_ | re |
| 09:13.29 | ak|ra | re |
| 09:13.33 | ak|ra | hallo bombman |
| 09:14.20 | bomber_ | hi akira |
| 09:21.35 | ak|ra | do you take chestl_akira_patch? |
| 09:22.46 | bomber_ | no..why? |
| 09:23.00 | ak|ra | just askin |
| 09:23.29 | ak|ra | chestal made a new one for labeling tanks in roaming mode and i merged it to fit into e6 |
| 09:23.59 | bomber_ | and where can i find it ? :o) |
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| 09:26.48 | ak|ra | mine or chestals? |
| 09:27.18 | bomber_ | both :o)) |
| 09:28.43 | ak|ra | mine: http://www.wirrehomepage.de -> files -> bzflag .. newest one |
| 09:28.48 | ak|ra | chestal -> sf.net |
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| 09:39.39 | [Tao]DervishDuKo | Hello derv |
| 09:40.12 | [Tao]DervishDuKo | derv? |
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| 10:34.25 | ak|ra | moin nicolaus :) |
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| 12:58.07 | rooter | what happened to 1.8? |
| 13:00.50 | Chestal | suspended |
| 13:00.56 | Chestal | or retired |
| 13:01.02 | rooter | ah... too bad. |
| 13:01.18 | Chestal | some of it will probably be recycled |
| 13:01.35 | Chestal | next step is 1.7e8 with some small changes and fixes |
| 13:01.41 | Chestal | expect it by the end of the year |
| 13:01.47 | rooter | sometimes projects go down the wrong branch :) |
| 13:02.09 | rooter | we had a project do that here recently |
| 13:04.12 | sussudio | is anyone gonna fix the HUDManager in e7? :-P |
| 13:04.23 | Chestal | fix what exactly? |
| 13:04.35 | sussudio | well bzflag messed it up a few weeks ago |
| 13:04.47 | sussudio | first the flag info overlapped on the top |
| 13:04.58 | sussudio | now it overlaps the input on the bottom (where you send messages) |
| 13:05.06 | sussudio | and the left edge of the message box is missing |
| 13:05.15 | Chestal | hmm, didn't notice that |
| 13:05.16 | sussudio | and the fonts are really small |
| 13:05.22 | Chestal | but there will be some changes inthat area anyway |
| 13:06.35 | sussudio | *cough* flags-on-radar toggle *cough* |
| 13:08.04 | rooter | that would be nice for those overloaded with flag worlds |
| 13:08.11 | sussudio | indeed |
| 13:08.17 | sussudio | i just comment it out now...... |
| 13:08.23 | sussudio | in RadarRenderer.cxx |
| 13:08.29 | sussudio | but i dont have a compiler for windows |
| 13:08.34 | sussudio | and a toggle would be much nicer |
| 13:08.35 | rooter | i don't play those worlds |
| 13:09.03 | rooter | ducati ctf only has 2 flags ;) |
| 13:09.13 | sussudio | :-| |
| 13:09.50 | Chestal | the new version will limit the maximum number of shots to 3 |
| 13:10.00 | rooter | :) lol |
| 13:10.02 | sussudio | err? |
| 13:10.06 | Chestal | and remove jumping |
| 13:10.22 | rooter | yeah. that's what i'm talkin' about |
| 13:11.14 | rooter | there are definatly two kinds of players... ducati style... and ducati ctf style |
| 13:11.15 | rooter | :) |
| 13:12.13 | ak|ra | :) |
| 13:12.36 | sussudio | man.... whoever distributes lyrics to throwaway pop acts screwed up..... |
| 13:12.42 | sussudio | "my trials and tribulations" |
| 13:12.49 | sussudio | sing the sugababes |
| 13:12.54 | sussudio | 3 17 year old girles |
| 13:12.58 | sussudio | get a grip |
| 13:14.44 | rooter | they are probably smart english majors that compete on who can come up with the worst lyrics |
| 13:14.54 | rooter | i think it would be a fun job |
| 13:15.14 | rooter | almost as good as country western lyric writer |
| 13:15.29 | sussudio | yeah, but who gets to sing the lyrics |
| 13:16.14 | rooter | the stupid throw-away pop acts of course. and they do! and they sell!? weird |
| 13:17.02 | sussudio | can anyone listen to michelle branch for more than 2 minutes and not want to stick their heads inside a bucket of cement? |
| 13:17.12 | Chestal | never heard that name |
| 13:17.24 | sussudio | Chestal: you're lucky |
| 13:17.44 | sussudio | it's another shrill girlie with a wall of guitar and crap sound behind her |
| 13:18.07 | sussudio | that or michael jackson on 78 rpm |
| 13:18.09 | rooter | never heard of here |
| 13:18.14 | rooter | her |
| 13:18.14 | ak|ra | what? |
| 13:18.20 | ak|ra | heh?*confused* |
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| 13:18.58 | rooter | just don't listen to pop stations and you will be bad-lyric free! |
| 13:19.00 | sussudio | talking about horror...... |
| 13:19.03 | sussudio | what about K3? |
| 13:19.05 | rooter | well, mostly |
| 13:19.07 | sussudio | from bzlynx country |
| 13:19.08 | rooter | who? |
| 13:19.14 | bzlynx | uh |
| 13:19.15 | sussudio | i think they're called k3 |
| 13:19.17 | rooter | Canada? |
| 13:19.20 | sussudio | no |
| 13:19.21 | Chestal | hi lynxie |
| 13:19.21 | bzlynx | K3 yeah |
| 13:19.23 | sussudio | belgium |
| 13:19.24 | bzlynx | hi |
| 13:19.25 | ak|ra | rooter: why do you tell us? |
| 13:19.32 | rooter | hello bzlynx! |
| 13:19.35 | sussudio | 3 rather unattractive girls who can't sing |
| 13:19.37 | bzlynx | K3 is a belgian group |
| 13:19.38 | rooter | tell you what? |
| 13:19.40 | sussudio | hmmmmm yeah that'll sell |
| 13:19.45 | bzlynx | hi rooter |
| 13:19.53 | ak|ra | rooter: lyric and music stuff? |
| 13:20.03 | bzlynx | music for kids |
| 13:20.09 | sussudio | kid torture |
| 13:20.14 | bzlynx | almost :) |
| 13:20.22 | bzlynx | but they love it |
| 13:20.35 | sussudio | like those other ones...... aqua |
| 13:20.41 | sussudio | and ummmmm |
| 13:20.47 | bzlynx | dunno |
| 13:20.50 | sussudio | whatever other sounded like aqua |
| 13:20.53 | Chestal | kids seemto have loads of money tospend on CDs |
| 13:20.59 | sussudio | kids suck |
| 13:21.05 | bzlynx | what does K3 have to do with bzflag btw |
| 13:21.16 | sussudio | nothing..... just torturemusic in general |
| 13:21.17 | bzlynx | i hope nothing |
| 13:21.22 | bzlynx | :) |
| 13:21.27 | rooter | Ever heard of Olive? |
| 13:21.27 | rooter | nothing |
| 13:21.38 | bzlynx | nop |
| 13:21.49 | rooter | or beth orton? |
| 13:21.53 | sussudio | yeah, K3 is going to be the new background music for bzflag 1.7e8 :-| |
| 13:21.57 | ak|ra | rooter: ? i didnt get the message with themusic .. the .. topic came so fast |
| 13:22.03 | sussudio | to stop people from playing more than 1.5 minutes at a time |
| 13:22.22 | bzlynx | me not |
| 13:22.31 | rooter | ak|ra: olive, beth orton, elliot smith |
| 13:22.43 | rooter | i like trance |
| 13:22.54 | sussudio | dunno, are they still around? |
| 13:23.13 | ak|ra | rooter: ok? so what? |
| 13:23.18 | bzlynx | K3 as background: NEVER |
| 13:23.29 | sussudio | -|- (Olive)_You're_Not_Alone.mp3 (3,983,300 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 4mins 9secs |
| 13:23.39 | sussudio | this is the first and last thing most people heard from them |
| 13:23.58 | sussudio | wow this mp3 quality is crap |
| 13:24.01 | rooter | she has great lyrics... compared to throw-away pop artists |
| 13:24.04 | sussudio | must be xing :-| |
| 13:24.14 | ak|ra | rooter: trance has lyrics? |
| 13:24.17 | sussudio | olive's not a she, really |
| 13:24.26 | sussudio | it's a guy who used to be in simply red |
| 13:25.04 | rooter | that's a good question... (s)he sounds female |
| 13:25.17 | sussudio | that's just the singer |
| 13:25.25 | sussudio | she doesnt write the songs |
| 13:25.29 | rooter | no... trance normally doesn't have lyrics :) |
| 13:25.35 | rooter | i'm not suprised |
| 13:25.42 | ak|ra | in my opinion trance has no lyrics |
| 13:25.57 | rooter | I'm not in love, so don't forget it |
| 13:25.57 | rooter | It's just a silly phase i'm going through |
| 13:26.06 | rooter | olive lyrics |
| 13:26.14 | ak|ra | and thats cool? |
| 13:26.17 | sussudio | hmm i'm surprised.... it's encoded with fraunhofer fastenc |
| 13:26.20 | sussudio | it sound rather awful |
| 13:26.26 | sussudio | usually crap = xing |
| 13:26.36 | rooter | well cooler than most :) |
| 13:26.47 | ak|ra | sounds a bit like .."hit me baby one more time |
| 13:27.10 | sussudio | hell... i got 2 jam & spoon cd's from the mid 90's |
| 13:27.20 | rooter | lol |
| 13:27.27 | sussudio | there's been no real innovation in trance ever since |
| 13:28.00 | rooter | "It's a one time thing. It just happens a lot" |
| 13:28.21 | rooter | suzanne vega lyrics |
| 13:28.39 | rooter | ever since...? |
| 13:29.15 | ak|ra | rooter: that sounds like a cite of "magnolia" |
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| 13:29.35 | rooter | magnolia? |
| 13:29.42 | ak|ra | rooter: a movie |
| 13:29.46 | rooter | ah |
| 13:29.48 | sussudio | ~lart OPN/freenode/disneynet |
| 13:30.25 | rooter | i don't watch many movies |
| 13:31.19 | rooter | ak|ra: from the web site, it looks like a chick-flick |
| 13:33.21 | ak|ra | whats that? |
| 13:34.19 | rooter | a chick-flick? it's a sappy movie that is targeted toward women |
| 13:34.36 | ak|ra | ah |
| 13:34.39 | ak|ra | aeh . nope |
| 13:34.58 | rooter | i can't get the trailors to play |
| 13:35.07 | rooter | not me |
| 13:35.12 | ak|ra | but its not james bond .. but you were the one who brought up content and depth |
| 13:35.14 | sussudio | that movie....... |
| 13:35.16 | sussudio | sucked..... |
| 13:35.21 | sussudio | beyond sucking |
| 13:35.32 | sussudio | and it lasted like 3.5 hours! |
| 13:36.02 | sussudio | 3.5 hours of brad pitt looking like he's on morphine |
| 13:36.23 | Chestal | sussudio: I watched it on a transatlantic flight and actually liked it |
| 13:36.24 | sussudio | maybe chicks dig that |
| 13:36.56 | rooter | ever seen "The Man Who Wasn't There"? |
| 13:37.08 | sussudio | no |
| 13:37.12 | Chestal | yep, that's a great movie |
| 13:37.24 | sussudio | let me guess... it had a man that wasnt actually there |
| 13:37.39 | ak|ra | ever seen "requiem for a dream" ? |
| 13:37.45 | Chestal | that's great, too |
| 13:37.54 | ak|ra | or pi |
| 13:37.56 | rooter | no, but i wanted to |
| 13:38.01 | rooter | pi was good |
| 13:38.08 | ak|ra | or last week i saw "walking life" |
| 13:38.39 | rooter | walking life or waking life? |
| 13:38.40 | Chestal | you mean "Waking Life"? |
| 13:39.10 | rooter | "Y Tu Mamá También" is a great movie |
| 13:39.44 | ak|ra | Chestal: right |
| 13:39.52 | ak|ra | Chestal: the movie with the toonshading :) |
| 13:40.25 | rooter | "waking life" |
| 13:41.18 | Chestal | rooter: didn't see that one (yet) |
| 13:41.49 | rooter | it's very good |
| 13:42.54 | sussudio | monty python and the holy grail is a good movie |
| 13:43.08 | rooter | "Delicatessen" is an old but good movie |
| 13:43.23 | sussudio | and probably most quoted amongst geeky people |
| 13:43.24 | rooter | "every sperm is sacred" |
| 13:43.32 | sussudio | rooter: that's "meaning of life" |
| 13:43.35 | rooter | or "princess bride"? |
| 13:43.43 | rooter | true |
| 13:44.53 | sussudio | every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great...... |
| 13:45.04 | sussudio | if only 1 sperm got wasted, god would be quite irate |
| 13:45.11 | sussudio | well, close enough |
| 13:45.18 | rooter | great song |
| 13:46.01 | sussudio | bzflag should have a holy grenade |
| 13:46.02 | rooter | it's tradition to play "bright side of life" every morning in our office :) |
| 13:46.05 | sussudio | and killer bunnies |
| 13:46.20 | sussudio | bright side of life is from "life of brian" |
| 13:46.41 | rooter | yes, i know. which is also good |
| 13:47.36 | rooter | well, i'm off to a meeting... |
| 13:47.47 | rooter | it was fun, even if off-topic :) |
| 13:47.52 | sussudio | mkay |
| 13:48.06 | sussudio | cu |
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| 13:54.48 | sussudio | aaah it's MrApathyCream! hide all the prunes and fishes! |
| 13:59.42 | MrApathyCream | mmmm, what i could really go for now is some halibut_alexander! |
| 13:59.52 | sussudio | *gasp* |
| 14:00.01 | MrApathyCream | ibot, halibut_alexander? |
| 14:00.01 | | a delightful dish made of the finest north atlantic halibut seasoned with the beautiful figs from athens, in a lite olive oil. |
| 14:00.11 | MrApathyCream | mmmmm |
| 14:06.16 | MrApathyCream | BTW, the dried plum growers of america would like it known that the name 'prune' should not be used anymore to describe the delicious 'dried plum'. |
| 14:07.37 | MrApathyCream | http://www.cnn.com/2000/FOOD/news/09/13/prunes.reut/ |
| 14:12.58 | sussudio | Trassi - Balachan or Blachan |
| 14:12.58 | sussudio | Trassi is probably one of the odder ingredients in many Southeast Asian dishes. |
| 14:12.58 | sussudio | Trassi is made from shrimp, sardines and other small salted fish. After having been left in the sun to ferment until very pungent and odorous it is mashed and in some cases dried (probably mostly for export or transport - where I live currently I'd probably be hard put to find the stuff in an un-dried form). In Asian markets it's available as a paste, a powder or in cake form. |
| 14:13.18 | sussudio | in short, it's rotten, decomposed shrimp and fish. and they're making it downstairs. |
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| 14:25.48 | sussudio | too...much...chocolate...raisins.... |
| 14:26.22 | Wilinckx | what? |
| 14:26.33 | Wilinckx | throws? |
| 14:26.38 | Wilinckx | hm, i have to learn english ;-) |
| 14:26.39 | sussudio | *bwurk* |
| 14:26.49 | sussudio | teveel chocolade rozijnen gegeten...... |
| 14:26.49 | Wilinckx | haaaa, are u scelding again? |
| 14:29.25 | sussudio | urk... drop haringen...... |
| 14:30.56 | Wilinckx | als ik kon, zou ik je een glaasje water dcc senden.. |
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| 14:33.42 | sussudio | kids, today's smell is "bag of oranges i forgot about 4 months ago" |
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| 14:44.05 | Doughecka | ooh, lots of people today |
| 14:44.09 | Doughecka | 136 emails.... |
| 14:46.56 | Doughecka | ~lart sussudio |
| 14:47.18 | Doughecka | If you replaced all of the CEOs of the Fortune 500 companies with |
| 14:47.18 | Doughecka | Magic 8 Balls (tm), and came back in five years, you would discover |
| 14:47.18 | Doughecka | that some of those companies had compiled excellent track records |
| 14:47.18 | Doughecka | by pure chance. |
| 14:47.34 | MrApathyCream | read that too |
| 14:47.51 | Doughecka | hm |
| 14:49.04 | sussudio | cool... some of my pics didnt fail totally |
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| 14:49.31 | sussudio | (after i put the lens from macro to normal) :-P |
| 14:49.42 | bzdoug | freaking dsl |
| 14:49.44 | bzdoug | too cold |
| 14:50.25 | rooter | ibot, Cream Brulee? |
| 14:50.26 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rooter |
| 14:50.42 | sussudio | Creme Brulee. |
| 14:50.44 | rooter | i really don't know how to work ibot |
| 14:50.50 | rooter | d'oh |
| 14:51.05 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 14:51.12 | rooter | ibot, creme brulee? |
| 14:51.12 | | i haven't a clue, rooter |
| 14:51.23 | rooter | i don't think spelling is an issue |
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| 14:51.31 | rooter | ibot ducati? |
| 14:51.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:51.54 | rooter | hmm |
| 14:52.12 | sussudio | this rainbow is way too big for my lens |
| 14:52.33 | bzdoug | get a smaller rainbow |
| 14:53.09 | bzdoug | ~sfg |
| 14:53.09 | | Simple Find & Grep application with a GTK interface. URL: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/3651/sfg.html |
| 14:53.19 | bzdoug | oh my, thats wierd |
| 14:53.46 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA]- (~Nicholas@pD9E94CB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:54.40 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/rainbow.jpg |
| 14:55.14 | bzdoug | cool, neat skyline |
| 14:55.18 | sussudio | ohwell, at least it's in focus |
| 14:55.43 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021124/ |
| 14:56.05 | bzdoug | . |
| 14:56.11 | sussudio | .? |
| 14:56.26 | bzdoug | .. |
| 14:56.48 | sussudio | well those pics have moss in them. noodleman seems to have an obsession with moss. |
| 14:57.04 | bzdoug | ah |
| 14:57.09 | sussudio | green stuff. eatern by BUNNIES |
| 14:57.15 | bzdoug | lol |
| 14:57.18 | sussudio | dune bunnies :-P |
| 14:57.27 | bzdoug | heh |
| 14:59.25 | sussudio | hmm it's still not launching |
| 14:59.59 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:07.34 | sussudio | hmmm native kentuckians |
| 15:07.35 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 15:08.32 | bzdoug | uh huh |
| 15:08.41 | sussudio | woo |
| 15:08.42 | sussudio | f |
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| 16:07.51 | bomber_ | back |
| 16:07.58 | bzdoug | front |
| 16:11.04 | ak|ra | top |
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| 16:11.19 | bzdoug | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 16:11.22 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:11.54 | bzdoug | remember that aldi computer that I was talking about? |
| 16:11.56 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | bottom |
| 16:12.00 | bzdoug | heh |
| 16:12.08 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | buttiks |
| 16:12.09 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | ;) |
| 16:12.15 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:12.56 | bzdoug | ~country .nl |
| 16:12.56 | | methinks country .nl is netherlands |
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| 16:13.00 | bzdoug | ah |
| 16:13.20 | bzdoug | sussudio: http://www.diskidee.nl/hardware/testen/index.htms/3583 could you give me all the important info? |
| 16:13.36 | sussudio | wha? |
| 16:14.37 | bzdoug | hmm, never mind |
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| 16:15.19 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: that computer is 900 bucks here in the US |
| 16:15.42 | bzdoug | sussudio: does that page say anything about the motherboard? |
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| 16:16.33 | Patlabor221 | proalby the soyo drago one. it's got all that extra crap on it |
| 16:16.46 | bzdoug | oh |
| 16:16.58 | bzdoug | lots of good extra crap though |
| 16:17.01 | sussudio | no |
| 16:17.07 | bzdoug | sussudio: k |
| 16:17.09 | sussudio | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah soyo!!!!!! noooooooo!!!!!!! |
| 16:17.15 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 16:17.22 | Patlabor221 | soyo crap |
| 16:17.23 | bzdoug | I need to take a peek at this PC |
| 16:17.42 | sussudio | http://www.aldi.nl/OFFER_NL/OFFER_49/COMP.HTML |
| 16:17.46 | bzdoug | aha |
| 16:17.48 | sussudio | this looks like a good crotch-scoulder |
| 16:18.06 | bzdoug | hehehhe |
| 16:18.18 | bzdoug | sweet laptop |
| 16:18.21 | bzdoug | howmuch? |
| 16:18.36 | sussudio | oh yeah..... 2.53Ghz..... i can hear the crispy nuts now |
| 16:18.47 | bzdoug | heh |
| 16:19.00 | sussudio | err |
| 16:19.08 | sussudio | i think it says so on the page |
| 16:19.27 | bzdoug | look at the where? |
| 16:19.27 | sussudio | 1649 euro |
| 16:19.32 | bzdoug | ick |
| 16:19.52 | sussudio | although i cant seem to find anywhere if it's a p4 or an athlon |
| 16:19.58 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:20.04 | bzdoug | its all about the mhz man |
| 16:20.05 | bzdoug | :P |
| 16:20.35 | sussudio | yay i really want a laptop that has a battery life of 3 mins or something |
| 16:20.47 | bzdoug | a yup |
| 16:21.31 | bzdoug | The Main board Aldi did not give further data, than that it a Agp-8x and three PCI card locations, a 533-MHz-Systembus suitably the processor, a 10/100-MBit-Ethernet-Schnittstelle, five Usb-2.0 interfaces (3 x back -, 2 x front-laterally) and 6-Kanal-Onboard-Sound (Dolby digital) offers |
| 16:21.43 | sussudio | i think the previous one had a battery life of -up to- 2 hours |
| 16:21.51 | sussudio | that probably means 5 mins if you're playing a dvd |
| 16:21.54 | bzdoug | nice specs for that mobo |
| 16:22.01 | bzdoug | sussudio: hehe |
| 16:22.31 | bzdoug | Beside the diagram map with NVidias GeForce4-Ti4200-Grafikchip as well as 128 MByte RAM still another a Stereo TV and FM Tunerkarte not specified in more detail are added. At diagram interfaces there is two VGA -, a s-video and an TV exit as well as a s-video and an Composite entrance; also an antenna cable finds connection. |
| 16:22.32 | sussudio | hmm 100 mbit shit-stelle |
| 16:22.42 | bzdoug | sussudio: lol |
| 16:22.58 | bzdoug | so this PC also has a TV tuner in it |
| 16:23.11 | sussudio | the laptop has a dual head gf4 :-P |
| 16:23.22 | bzdoug | thats cool |
| 16:23.41 | sussudio | ofcouse the tv tuner would be PAL |
| 16:23.52 | bzdoug | nah |
| 16:23.55 | sussudio | like my ati radeon's tuner is NTSC :-| |
| 16:23.55 | bzdoug | its switchable |
| 16:23.58 | sussudio | no |
| 16:24.09 | sussudio | i got my radeon from someone in the US |
| 16:24.12 | sussudio | it's NOTswitchable |
| 16:24.18 | bzdoug | my ATI aiw is switchable between pal and ntsc |
| 16:24.24 | sussudio | not the tuner |
| 16:24.34 | sussudio | only the in-output |
| 16:24.40 | bzdoug | no |
| 16:24.49 | sussudio | yes |
| 16:24.58 | Patlabor221 | he cap: you here? got a zip file for ya. |
| 16:25.20 | bzdoug | because I had problems with my card because the software wouldnt switch the card from pal to ntsc |
| 16:25.26 | bzdoug | so I had to do it manualy |
| 16:25.40 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:25.43 | Patlabor221 | doug that wouold only be on the composite in, not the tunner from a cable. |
| 16:25.59 | sussudio | mine defaults to NTSC for composite |
| 16:26.05 | sussudio | looks fucked up |
| 16:26.29 | bzdoug | freaking people, cant make a standard across diferent countrys |
| 16:26.42 | sussudio | yes, they can... it's called PAL |
| 16:26.52 | Patlabor221 | ick 25 frames |
| 16:26.59 | bzdoug | then why dont the US use it? |
| 16:27.12 | Patlabor221 | eveyone want's to be difrent |
| 16:27.13 | sussudio | hmm same reason you're still using inches and shit? |
| 16:27.22 | bzdoug | yup |
| 16:27.33 | Patlabor221 | pal has more lines of resoution but lower field rates. |
| 16:27.39 | bzdoug | http://www.amnews.com/features/ |
| 16:27.57 | Patlabor221 | NTSC stands for Never The Same Color |
| 16:28.04 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:28.17 | Patlabor221 | and it's used in Asia as well |
| 16:28.28 | bzdoug | The system will include a PS/2 keyboard with multimedia hotkeys and a Microsoft Intellimouse with pad. |
| 16:28.30 | bzdoug | hm |
| 16:28.31 | Patlabor221 | there is also secam, but I don't remember what it's deal was. |
| 16:29.59 | Patlabor221 | a nice progresive scan standard world wide would be nice. |
| 16:30.11 | bzdoug | indeed |
| 16:31.38 | bzdoug | hmm, I need a USB 2.0 and a firewire card... |
| 16:31.50 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 16:31.58 | bzdoug | mp3 players |
| 16:32.52 | Patlabor221 | when do you go places? |
| 16:33.44 | bzdoug | well, in central georgia, there is 99% country/rock stations |
| 16:33.53 | sussudio | they made secam slightly different from PAL so people in the eastern block wouldnt be able to get tv programs from the west......... |
| 16:33.56 | Patlabor221 | don't go there |
| 16:34.00 | sussudio | damn commies. |
| 16:34.00 | bzdoug | sussudio: hehe |
| 16:34.32 | scanline | hmm... anybody here worked with OpenAL much? is it possible to mix audio into a memory buffer instead of directly to the sound device? |
| 16:34.36 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: and I want a cd player... and if I get a cd player, thats about 1/2 the price of a ipod |
| 16:34.54 | bzdoug | so might as well get a ipod |
| 16:35.21 | Patlabor221 | but you have no money |
| 16:35.41 | Patlabor221 | hit up the old folks? |
| 16:36.01 | Patlabor221 | ahh yes holidays, the only time children get money. |
| 16:36.58 | Patlabor221 | what does the IPOD have that other non apple based mp3 players have? |
| 16:37.12 | bzdoug | coolness |
| 16:37.23 | Patlabor221 | and how much more does that cost? |
| 16:37.37 | bzdoug | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/5784/ |
| 16:37.49 | bzdoug | nearly the same, exept its USB 2.0 |
| 16:38.04 | bzdoug | half the price of the ipod |
| 16:38.22 | bzdoug | but the ipod is Built by apple |
| 16:38.33 | Patlabor221 | and think geek is expensive on 'tonics |
| 16:38.40 | bzdoug | yea |
| 16:38.44 | Patlabor221 | apple dosn't make anything |
| 16:38.49 | Patlabor221 | it was made in tiwan. |
| 16:38.56 | bzdoug | yea so? |
| 16:39.26 | Patlabor221 | so if both were made in an OEM factory in tiwan, I don't see what "apple" has to do with it. |
| 16:39.52 | Patlabor221 | Mac people are funny, they will spend extra money on crap just because it's got a fruit logo on it |
| 16:40.09 | bzdoug | they have a PC version |
| 16:40.17 | bzdoug | ok |
| 16:40.21 | Patlabor221 | guess apple did a good job conditioning them into beiving all computers are dispisable. |
| 16:40.33 | bzdoug | thinkgeek: $239.99 |
| 16:40.35 | Patlabor221 | we make soooooooo much money off apple people. |
| 16:40.47 | bzdoug | http://www.epinions.com $209.70 |
| 16:40.52 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 16:41.02 | sussudio | iHo 3 DOLLAH |
| 16:43.36 | Patlabor221 | and that's the best thing you can find to blow $200 on? |
| 16:43.47 | bzdoug | no |
| 16:44.22 | bzdoug | I aint gonna blow 200 on it |
| 16:44.36 | Patlabor221 | oh what are you gonna blow 200$ on :) |
| 16:45.04 | bzdoug | dont know |
| 16:45.34 | sussudio | a 5 dollah ho orgy |
| 16:45.44 | bzdoug | but all this stuff is going on a x-mas list.... so I bet I aint gonna get any of this |
| 16:46.22 | scanline | ibot: seen captain_proton |
| 16:46.25 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui (8h 53m 46s) #bzflag (8h 53m 46s) |
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| 16:49.04 | rooter | ibot ducati |
| 16:49.05 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:50.44 | scanline | Patlabor221: I have jetstream recording videos now in real-time, and I just talked to one of the OpenAL developers... it's not yet possible to record OpenAL audio as it's rendered, but he'll write up an extension proposal for it :) |
| 16:57.15 | sussudio | can i put a k6-350 on a socket 7 board? |
| 16:58.09 | Patlabor221 | that's cool |
| 16:58.50 | Patlabor221 | scanline, do you know where cap is? I have more music for him. |
| 16:59.08 | scanline | dunno, probably in class or asleep |
| 16:59.15 | sussudio | or both |
| 16:59.33 | scanline | yeo |
| 16:59.35 | scanline | err, yep |
| 17:00.38 | Patlabor221 | I am amazed at the e-mails I get now. |
| 17:16.12 | scanline | captain_proton: morning |
| 17:16.14 | Patlabor221 | crowbars help |
| 17:16.36 | scanline | s/him/himself/ |
| 17:18.23 | captain_proton | bad morning |
| 17:18.25 | scanline | captain_proton: I got the NuppelVideo encoder working correctly... we can record in realtime |
| 17:18.35 | captain_proton | i was awake until around 8am =/ |
| 17:18.42 | scanline | sounds fun |
| 17:18.43 | Patlabor221 | ik |
| 17:18.56 | Patlabor221 | new music for you in the FTP |
| 17:23.52 | sussudio | zooohooombie zooohombiiiieee zo ha ha hoeee ooeee |
| 17:24.07 | Patlabor221 | only one way to take care of zombies. |
| 17:24.18 | Patlabor221 | *poing* |
| 17:24.51 | sussudio | -|- (Zombie_Nation)_Kernkraft_400(DJ_Gius_Remix).mp3 (7,322,806 bytes 160kbps Joint Stereo 6mins 7secs Genre:Trance Year:1999 |
| 17:26.33 | captain_proton | scanline: sheesh, i just watched that video you sent - you've been busy |
| 17:26.48 | scanline | captain_proton: now I can make those in realtime =) |
| 17:27.18 | scanline | there's no frontend for it yet, but the VideoRecorder module supports lossless and/or lossy compression |
| 17:27.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hack-extras.zip ? |
| 17:27.46 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:29.04 | Patlabor221 | CDDB couldn't find it so it is just track numbers |
| 17:29.34 | sussudio | so type in the tracks :-P |
| 17:29.52 | Patlabor221 | it's in Japanese on the CD case |
| 17:30.10 | sussudio | neh.... you just need glasses |
| 17:30.22 | Patlabor221 | got new glasses |
| 17:30.26 | Patlabor221 | still didn't help |
| 17:31.00 | sussudio | turningjapaneseithinkimturningjapaneseireallythinkso |
| 17:34.34 | captain_proton | bwahahah |
| 17:35.03 | captain_proton | i've devised a structure that can be tightly packed to use vertex/color/texcoord/normal arrays all in one |
| 17:35.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh god he's been thinking again. |
| 17:36.01 | captain_proton | plus it holds all the higher-level information needed to track the location of the particle |
| 17:36.49 | captain_proton | scanline: you'll be able to set that for the system as a whole, but not for each individual particle |
| 17:37.22 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: he has started thinking yesterday .. late in the night :) |
| 17:37.51 | sussudio | why are quebecians such rude bastards? |
| 17:37.57 | Patlabor221 | damn me for sleeping |
| 17:38.15 | Patlabor221 | but at least I'm cognisent |
| 17:38.23 | sussudio | is it the knowledge of being not-quite-french? |
| 17:38.24 | captain_proton | yaaay |
| 17:38.31 | captain_proton | finally someone started serving macgyver again |
| 17:39.10 | Patlabor221 | duct tabe and a swiss army knife and you too can save the world. |
| 17:39.27 | captain_proton | actually i'll be able to save the world once my new keyboard arrives =) |
| 17:40.10 | Patlabor221 | a real macgyver would be able to enter data using the tweezers on his knife |
| 17:41.21 | captain_proton | it'll be nice to finally have a unix keyboard |
| 17:43.16 | captain_proton | scanline: does that video mean you got textbox working too? |
| 17:43.30 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah, but only as a hack... |
| 17:43.50 | scanline | I didn't fix the textbox clipping, I just disabled it when using opengl, so it gets slow with large amounts of text |
| 17:44.09 | scanline | but I didn't feel like fixing it immediately and I wanted a working python console |
| 17:44.33 | captain_proton | yes Patlabor221, thats right. our 'console' is just a python command line :) |
| 17:44.57 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:45.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what he said. |
| 17:45.22 | Patlabor221 | I saw the movie |
| 17:45.27 | Patlabor221 | and the screen shots |
| 17:45.37 | Patlabor221 | I want to see it with the real model |
| 17:45.56 | Patlabor221 | should be easy for you to make the model class use pico files, and textures. |
| 17:46.14 | scanline | we don't have a scene graph yet |
| 17:46.25 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 17:46.48 | scanline | so, the current code in SVN has no ship at all because I removed the hack we had in there for the demo |
| 17:46.51 | Patlabor221 | puting a 3d model in there will just increase the "wow"ness of it |
| 17:47.23 | scanline | captain_proton or I need to put together a scene node base class that has an interface for converting a tree of scene nodes into a sorted list of triangles |
| 17:47.26 | Patlabor221 | if it's all going to be star fox like, then you don't realy need that much of a graph |
| 17:47.41 | Patlabor221 | if it's going to be a rail shooter that is |
| 17:47.43 | scanline | I'm planning on writing a portal rendering engine |
| 17:48.07 | scanline | it will need to handle indoor, outdoor, space, underwater, and I'd like to have seamless transitions between levels |
| 17:48.07 | Patlabor221 | I thought it was mostly outdoor |
| 17:48.27 | Patlabor221 | does the ship have free motion? |
| 17:48.31 | scanline | so it will be basically a portal rendering engine, with support for ROAM surfaces |
| 17:48.36 | scanline | yes |
| 17:48.43 | Patlabor221 | that's what I had planed at one point |
| 17:49.07 | scanline | then it can page the world sectors and roam data to disk, so there's no need to explicitly load levels |
| 17:49.16 | Patlabor221 | if you want I can send you my busted 2.5d portal engine. |
| 17:49.51 | Patlabor221 | well that's the best way |
| 17:49.55 | scanline | I have a lot of fun with 3D engines, it's just been a while since I've worked with them |
| 17:50.14 | Patlabor221 | tho you may want to look into other terain LOD algos other then ROAM |
| 17:50.27 | Patlabor221 | and you may want to look into deformabale terain, just cus that's neat. |
| 17:50.34 | scanline | captain_proton suggested ROAM, and after reading the paper on it, it looked pretty cool |
| 17:50.53 | Patlabor221 | it is prety cool |
| 17:51.05 | scanline | I'd also like to have support for curved surfaces with LOD in the portal engine, would make things like tunnels and archways much nicer |
| 17:51.11 | Patlabor221 | but there has been a lot of work on extending and makeing it cooler |
| 17:52.07 | scanline | I was thinking about doing something based on ROAM, but supporting a variety of data sources |
| 17:52.15 | Patlabor221 | I wish I could send you the stuff I have that does deformable terain |
| 17:52.20 | scanline | so you could have terrain from a file, or procedural, or based on splines... |
| 17:52.25 | Patlabor221 | but it's not open source |
| 17:52.29 | Patlabor221 | and it's UGLY |
| 17:52.41 | Patlabor221 | yes that would be nice |
| 17:53.02 | scanline | it'd be good if all the level data was dynamic, so when an enemy crashes into a mountain it makes a crater, and the crater stays there |
| 17:53.17 | Patlabor221 | thats what this stuff does |
| 17:53.26 | scanline | you could do a copy-on-write thing with the level data pages, and store modified pages in the saved game |
| 17:53.42 | scanline | cool |
| 17:53.43 | Patlabor221 | tank game where weps took chunks out of the ground |
| 17:53.52 | Patlabor221 | some weps even put durt back. |
| 17:55.09 | scanline | I don't want commercial code |
| 17:55.25 | scanline | and I'd rather write this myself, just for the fun of it |
| 17:55.55 | Patlabor221 | well I would not call this comercal |
| 17:56.12 | scanline | ok, I don't want non-GPL-compatible code, since this is a GPL project |
| 17:56.19 | Patlabor221 | but just to see what it could do |
| 17:56.24 | Patlabor221 | you would NOT want to use it |
| 17:56.27 | Patlabor221 | it's veryt guly |
| 17:56.43 | scanline | ah |
| 17:56.55 | scanline | I probably don't have anything that would run it |
| 17:57.07 | Patlabor221 | but I can ask my friend who is all into terain stuff what the current "cool" terain algos are. |
| 18:02.06 | rooter | ibot ducati |
| 18:02.06 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:20.05 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (alton@p508035CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:20.11 | Cell | holuu |
| 18:20.25 | bzdoug | wicky wicky |
| 18:21.01 | Cell | back? |
| 18:21.10 | bzdoug | a yup |
| 18:23.56 | Cell | bye dbz time cell vs vegeta |
| 18:23.59 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (alton@p508035CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:29.36 | Chestal | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit |
| 18:29.38 | Chestal | oops |
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| 19:04.38 | bzlynx | hi ChanServ |
| 19:04.46 | bzlynx | hehe:) |
| 19:07.05 | Chestal | heh, don't you talk to my buddy ChanServ ;-) |
| 19:07.28 | bzlynx | oops |
| 19:07.30 | bzlynx | lol |
| 19:08.34 | bzlynx | dass konnte ich doch nicht wissen oder |
| 19:08.46 | Chestal | nicht wirklich |
| 19:08.53 | ak|ra | doch |
| 19:08.57 | ak|ra | grade du |
| 19:09.03 | ak|ra | du .. mit der nase im gesicht |
| 19:09.13 | bzlynx | hehe |
| 19:09.15 | ak|ra | Chestal: schon andere reaktionen auf den patch? |
| 19:09.58 | Chestal | nö |
| 19:21.20 | Chestal | a-z: ah, das sieht ja interessant aus |
| 19:21.22 | Chestal | oops |
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| 19:31.47 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | da? |
| 19:32.16 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | need an irc bot for windows |
| 19:32.19 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | some ideas ? |
| 19:32.24 | *** join/#bzflag akira_ (~akira@pD9E47DAB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:32.24 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | plz give url`s |
| 19:32.29 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | akra huhu |
| 19:32.31 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | akira |
| 19:32.41 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | kennst du irc bots für windows ? |
| 19:32.45 | akira_ | nein |
| 19:33.06 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | pattions programm für xp? |
| 19:33.09 | scanline | infobot is written in perl, should work in windows |
| 19:33.26 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | scanline ... were can i download it ? |
| 19:33.33 | scanline | http://google.com |
| 19:33.43 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | very helpfull |
| 19:33.45 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | :) |
| 19:33.48 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | and there ? |
| 19:33.55 | [KaMiLLe|TeA] | search for .... |
| 19:34.11 | scanline | try doing a "search" for um.. I dunno... "infobot"? |
| 19:47.35 | sussudio | hey, installing something like britney_spears_naked.scr will give you an instant irc bot... |
| 19:55.42 | *** join/#bzflag chsh[] (~chsh@207.245.233.114) |
| 19:55.57 | chsh[] | yo, CP, you awake? I need someone who's uber at C |
| 19:56.10 | scanline | ha |
| 19:57.33 | BZFlag | ~blootbot |
| 19:57.34 | | methinks blootbot is at http://blootbot.sf.net/, or written in perl |
| 19:57.53 | BZFlag | [KaMiLLe|TeA]: that's the source for ibot. |
| 19:58.57 | akira_ | hello tim |
| 19:59.08 | chsh[] | wow |
| 19:59.15 | chsh[] | this place sure isn't a topicwhore kinda place |
| 20:02.34 | Chestal | hi Tim, chsh |
| 20:02.42 | Chestal | chsh: which shell do you use? |
| 20:17.44 | captain_proton | and scanline goes completely insane :) |
| 20:17.55 | scanline | what, don't like my COW idea? |
| 20:17.57 | scanline | :) |
| 20:18.25 | Patlabor221 | cow? have you been talking to Cell? |
| 20:18.43 | scanline | copy on write |
| 20:18.50 | scanline | moooo |
| 20:18.56 | Patlabor221 | moo |
| 20:19.00 | Patlabor221 | Move on object |
| 20:19.38 | captain_proton | scanline: oh, i like it |
| 20:19.52 | captain_proton | it just takes someone of...questionable motives...to come up with such an idea :) |
| 20:20.00 | scanline | haha' |
| 20:26.23 | captain_proton | then again, i can't judge |
| 20:26.40 | captain_proton | considering this particle system will be the most efficient piece of opengl code i've ever written <evil grin> |
| 20:27.16 | scanline | thought about how to hook it in with the rest of the engine yet? |
| 20:27.40 | captain_proton | MMMMMMmmmmm |
| 20:27.48 | captain_proton | habanero flaver boulder potato chips... |
| 20:27.58 | scanline | ooh, I've had those before. yummy |
| 20:28.02 | captain_proton | wow i can spell, really. |
| 20:28.06 | captain_proton | flaver! |
| 20:28.18 | scanline | flavers are yumy |
| 20:28.56 | captain_proton | i'm thinking we can specify the building blocks (generators & affectors) in some little format, then load up named systems when/where we want |
| 20:29.17 | scanline | I was more concerned about how it fits into the rendering pipeline |
| 20:29.20 | scanline | triangle sorting and such |
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| 20:30.10 | captain_proton | since there will be a good number of particles, we can probably just draw the systems last |
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| 20:30.31 | captain_proton | or draw them before any other transparent polygons |
| 20:30.37 | scanline | k |
| 20:30.50 | scanline | this new main loop system has priority levels, so you can just set a priority level for particle rendering :) |
| 20:31.33 | scanline | I assume they'll be drawn with depth test on... and since they'll be mostly identical drawing order isn't that important |
| 20:32.05 | scanline | will the particles be Z-sorted within each system at least? |
| 20:37.54 | captain_proton | probably not ;) |
| 20:38.00 | scanline | bah |
| 20:38.07 | scanline | what about smoke trails behind missiles? |
| 20:38.08 | captain_proton | i can add that in at any time though |
| 20:38.13 | scanline | they will look pretty bad without Z sorting |
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| 20:45.37 | Cell | time to play SEGA's virtua tennis |
| 20:45.44 | bzdoug | heh |
| 20:45.49 | captain_proton | z sorting has the unfortunate affect of making me reorder the array - we'll see how it looks |
| 20:45.54 | Cell | the coolest tennis game |
| 20:45.55 | scanline | ok |
| 20:46.01 | bzdoug | who made it? |
| 20:46.16 | Cell | sega |
| 20:46.22 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:46.34 | bzdoug | what about your tennis thingy? |
| 20:46.42 | Cell | it frozen |
| 20:46.49 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:46.55 | Cell | until i get some more time |
| 20:49.56 | Cell | iterating a 300k int array 333 times with a for loop takes 1 second on Athlon XP 1600+ and Win2000 using c#, iterating the same array 333 times using foreach takes 1sec 112 milseconds, doing the same using an ArrayList takes 10 seconds |
| 20:50.27 | Cell | so i awiched from array list to arrayx |
| 20:50.57 | bzdoug | um, thanks |
| 20:51.00 | bzdoug | :P |
| 20:51.03 | Cell | no prob |
| 20:51.18 | Cell | i wonder how fast it is in c++ |
| 20:51.35 | bzdoug | knock yourself out |
| 20:51.38 | bzdoug | :) |
| 20:51.50 | Cell | dont have the time |
| 20:51.59 | bzdoug | k |
| 20:52.37 | Cell | i have to play virtua tennis now |
| 20:52.50 | bzdoug | ok doke |
| 20:54.02 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.04 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.06 | captain_proton | bwahahahahaha |
| 20:54.17 | captain_proton | that draws the particle system :) |
| 20:55.29 | Cell | hm, only one particle |
| 20:55.45 | captain_proton | hrmph, i'm gonna have to rethink my structure a little |
| 20:55.56 | captain_proton | its designed right now with one normal per vertex, which is bad |
| 20:56.07 | Cell | u need more |
| 20:56.18 | captain_proton | Cell: that draws however many particles there are in the system |
| 20:56.29 | Cell | k |
| 20:56.42 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:57.10 | Cell | rain drops? |
| 20:57.17 | bzdoug | snow |
| 20:57.22 | bzdoug | hail |
| 20:57.23 | Cell | ah |
| 20:57.24 | bzdoug | sleet |
| 20:57.28 | captain_proton | explosions |
| 20:57.33 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 20:57.36 | bzdoug | smoke |
| 20:57.40 | bzdoug | dirt |
| 20:57.41 | bzdoug | dust |
| 20:57.49 | Cell | ne explosion style |
| 20:57.50 | Cell | ? |
| 20:57.57 | captain_proton | water splashing as the ships plunge into the ocean :) |
| 20:58.02 | bzdoug | exaust |
| 20:58.07 | bzdoug | captain_proton: haha |
| 20:58.52 | scanline | captain_proton: you should make the motion equations virtual functions, so we can override the newtonian physics for things like fire :) |
| 20:59.14 | bzdoug | slick |
| 20:59.24 | captain_proton | scanline: its all done via affectors - just substitute something in for the gravity affector, or the collision affector |
| 20:59.30 | scanline | cool |
| 21:03.30 | bzdoug | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/mp3/5784 |
| 21:03.56 | bzdoug | 20 gig portable USB drive |
| 21:03.57 | bzdoug | :P |
| 21:04.24 | Patlabor221 | the data mine? |
| 21:04.36 | scanline | h3x4f: syntax error |
| 21:04.46 | captain_proton | 'hexar' is the web master for the game dev club |
| 21:04.55 | captain_proton | he actually has people call him that in real life |
| 21:05.02 | captain_proton | kinda sad |
| 21:05.05 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:05.06 | scanline | silly people |
| 21:05.09 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 21:05.29 | Patlabor221 | that gives good geeks a bad name. |
| 21:05.37 | captain_proton | and he's the author of (guess what!) wintetris |
| 21:06.01 | Patlabor221 | him and how many other people made a tetris rip? |
| 21:06.15 | scanline | 7.2 x 10^42 |
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| 21:06.34 | bzdoug | ~7.2 x 10^42 |
| 21:06.35 | | i haven't a clue, bzdoug |
| 21:06.35 | Patlabor221 | I think a new one is made ever 6.3 seconds. |
| 21:06.52 | Patlabor221 | doug do the math |
| 21:06.57 | bzdoug | :P |
| 21:07.09 | Patlabor221 | or just type out 41 zeros |
| 21:08.58 | scanline | captain_proton: I saw the link... not only do they not mention the name of the project, they messed up the link |
| 21:09.23 | Patlabor221 | they have a webpage for the club? |
| 21:09.29 | scanline | http://gamedev.cs.colorado.edu/projects.shtml |
| 21:09.33 | captain_proton | scanline: any reason to support backwards compat with gl 1.1<= ? |
| 21:09.43 | scanline | captain_proton: no |
| 21:09.45 | captain_proton | scanline: link looks fine to me |
| 21:09.56 | Patlabor221 | l33t war? |
| 21:09.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 21:10.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you could write a bot for it! |
| 21:10.07 | scanline | captain_proton: I'd say shoot for today's new hardware, so once the game's done it will run on stuff most people own |
| 21:10.27 | Patlabor221 | byt l33t war? |
| 21:10.28 | Patlabor221 | come on |
| 21:10.51 | captain_proton | scanline: we should link to the download directory just for kicks :) |
| 21:10.54 | scanline | captain_proton: oh.. must have been fixed since I looked at it, when I checked there was a trailing " in the URL |
| 21:11.05 | scanline | captain_proton: sure. Any reason not to link to the SVN repository? |
| 21:11.36 | captain_proton | might as well |
| 21:11.38 | Patlabor221 | I like how all there stuff is "unlike any other" or "in a completely new way" |
| 21:11.47 | chsh[] | cp |
| 21:11.57 | scanline | mv |
| 21:11.58 | captain_proton | mv |
| 21:12.01 | chsh[] | you're the uber c + kernel guy I know |
| 21:12.02 | captain_proton | eek scanline beat me to it |
| 21:12.06 | scanline | rm |
| 21:12.13 | scanline | captain_proton a kernel guy? |
| 21:12.21 | captain_proton | scanline: *shrug* |
| 21:12.25 | chsh[] | lol |
| 21:12.27 | chsh[] | whatever |
| 21:12.36 | captain_proton | chsh[]: scanline is the one taking operating systems this semester ;) |
| 21:12.45 | chsh[] | anyways, do you know of any projects that deal with an FS based on a DB server? |
| 21:12.53 | chsh[] | DBFS kinda thing? |
| 21:12.57 | scanline | captain_proton: I know how to use pipes now! |
| 21:12.59 | captain_proton | based on a DB -server- ? |
| 21:13.17 | captain_proton | XFS and reiser work off a database-type model, but i don't know of anything that uses a separate server |
| 21:13.29 | chsh[] | as in, able to connect to a MySQL server and interprets it as a filesystem |
| 21:13.33 | chsh[] | I'm just curious |
| 21:13.37 | scanline | try LUFS |
| 21:13.50 | chsh[] | LUFS? |
| 21:13.50 | scanline | it's a userspace VFS layer, for implementing things like that |
| 21:14.14 | chsh[] | ah |
| 21:14.15 | scanline | http://lufs.sourceforge.net/main/ |
| 21:14.27 | captain_proton | GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap <-- this what you were using for that pixellation? |
| 21:14.37 | scanline | captain_proton: yep |
| 21:14.51 | chsh[] | ty scanline |
| 21:14.59 | scanline | captain_proton: also using it for blurring and scaling video in hardware before outputting to NuppelVideo |
| 21:15.12 | scanline | err, stick a comma in there somewhere... I'm not blurring the video :) |
| 21:15.42 | scanline | np chsh[] |
| 21:16.24 | chsh[] | lol |
| 21:16.40 | chsh[] | hey, blurring helps cover up how bad your models and textures are |
| 21:17.04 | chsh[] | just make it: BzFlag: Myopia Edition |
| 21:17.10 | scanline | chsh[]: picogui supports a blurring primitive.. it's useful for things like blurring the background of dialog boxes |
| 21:17.15 | captain_proton | chsh[]: this isn't for bzflag |
| 21:17.23 | chsh[] | oh |
| 21:17.59 | chsh[] | forgive me |
| 21:18.02 | scanline | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website//content/shots/picogui/land.19070.png <-- blurring |
| 21:18.27 | chsh[] | I'm using an ARM-based Tablet PC that's running Windows CE, which I'm believing more and more stands for Crap Edition |
| 21:18.39 | scanline | http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/28275/ <-- blurring |
| 21:20.15 | captain_proton | scanline: pg needs a postscript renderer ;) |
| 21:20.21 | captain_proton | then i could use it for my music stand |
| 21:20.29 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:22.20 | captain_proton | nothing yet :P |
| 21:25.35 | akira_ | pico gui is what? |
| 21:28.39 | captain_proton | picogui.org |
| 21:30.52 | chsh[] | from the looks of it |
| 21:30.56 | captain_proton | scanline: bwahaha, we get a nameless link and our names don't appear anywhere on the page :) |
| 21:30.58 | chsh[] | it looks pretty sweet |
| 21:31.23 | captain_proton | aside from under the link |
| 21:31.32 | captain_proton | apparently we're not good enough to be a part of the club yet |
| 21:33.09 | captain_proton | augh! i'm torn |
| 21:33.51 | scanline | captain_proton: didn't it mention "Micah and David" in the link? |
| 21:34.01 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah, but nowhere else |
| 21:34.06 | scanline | captain_proton: machinae supremacy is good :) |
| 21:34.13 | captain_proton | nightwish is spectacular :) |
| 21:34.14 | scanline | well, I don't think I'd want to be in their club :) |
| 21:34.33 | scanline | :) |
| 21:35.24 | scanline | That algorizhems assignment would have been much easier if I knew that assigning to an unallocated index in an std::vector silently fails instead of allocating it |
| 21:35.37 | captain_proton | listen to 'wishmaster' first |
| 21:36.22 | captain_proton | in /navi/jupiter/ |
| 21:36.29 | scanline | got it |
| 21:37.02 | scanline | ooh, this is cool |
| 21:37.25 | captain_proton | their lead (the woman) is classically trained - and sings without a microphone |
| 21:37.34 | captain_proton | -in front of a metal band- |
| 21:37.39 | scanline | wow |
| 21:38.29 | akira_ | scanline: is pico gui stuff from u? |
| 21:39.16 | scanline | I wrote almost all of picogui, yes |
| 21:39.25 | akira_ | why c? |
| 21:39.37 | scanline | speed, size, and because I like it better than C++ |
| 21:40.08 | scanline | the actual API is language-neutral, so you can write picogui programs in C++, python, or whatever |
| 21:42.23 | scanline | picogui's architecture is vastly different from most GUIs out there.. it's closest cousin is Fresco |
| 21:44.55 | akira_ | the former fresco or the current fresco alias berlin? |
| 21:45.16 | scanline | current fresco.. and fresco and berlin are no longer the same thing |
| 21:45.29 | scanline | fresco's the name for the whole project, berlin is the server |
| 21:45.29 | akira_ | berlin took over fresco ... |
| 21:45.46 | akira_ | yep . but you know what i mean |
| 21:46.55 | scanline | well, time for class |
| 21:46.58 | scanline | bbl |
| 21:49.03 | bzdoug | quack |
| 21:59.11 | scanline | 12377 lines of code total... most of that for the video codec :) |
| 21:59.11 | captain_proton | oh? (and whatever happened to class?) |
| 21:59.26 | scanline | captain_proton: turned in my homework and decided I'd contribute to the emptiness of the lectures |
| 21:59.52 | captain_proton | heh, sounds like me :) |
| 21:59.58 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:00.27 | scanline | grr.. picked up my brother's headphones instead of mine (they're the same model) and his have a lot more wear on them |
| 22:01.48 | scanline | hm.. smells like cow outside today |
| 22:02.00 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 22:05.36 | scanline | watching the python console word wrap in real time is kinda neat |
| 22:05.45 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 22:06.00 | captain_proton | we need to come up with a background drawer for the main menu, looks oogly |
| 22:06.07 | scanline | hehe, yeah |
| 22:06.35 | scanline | we could use something from the replay recorder once that's written |
| 22:06.58 | scanline | until then maybe a rotating skybox with some decoration |
| 22:07.16 | scanline | I was waiting until we had a scene manager class before doing that |
| 22:07.56 | scanline | it'd be good to have a scene node base class that could end up being a 3D model, the environment (via the portal/landscape engine), a particle system, etc. |
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| 22:17.41 | hk | hi |
| 22:17.46 | jzaun | hello |
| 22:18.07 | hk | can anyone tell me how to run/compile bzflag e6 on mac os x 10.2.2? |
| 22:18.27 | hk | the binary on the bzflag web site crashes on startup |
| 22:18.43 | akira_ | hk: take a compiler and do it :) |
| 22:19.24 | hk | akira_: haha.. which compiler? there is no orking makefile |
| 22:20.05 | iluxa | hk: gcc should work, I think |
| 22:20.58 | hk | iluxu: but no makefile for osx.. |
| 22:21.15 | jzaun | anyone know why "make install" don't work? |
| 22:21.17 | hk | iluxa i mean ;-) damn font |
| 22:22.22 | hk | jzaun: type make install in the sources and u will see |
| 22:23.10 | Chestal | hk: there is a makefiel for osx in current CVS code, you might want to try that |
| 22:23.40 | jzaun | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop |
| 22:23.45 | hk | Chestal: i just did a co.. and no makefile.. or i dont find it... where is it? |
| 22:24.07 | Chestal | hk: top-level directory, Makefile? |
| 22:25.29 | hk | Chestal: nope.. only linux,irix,solaris and windos |
| 22:26.05 | Chestal | my Makefile says: ... |
| 22:26.06 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.06 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.09 | jzaun | any ideas about what happened to make install? |
| 22:26.17 | captain_proton | jzaun: there was never a make install |
| 22:26.27 | Chestal | hk: ah, you probably got bitten by 1.8 still being HEAD |
| 22:26.29 | hk | Chestal: did u get anonymous cvs? |
| 22:26.34 | Chestal | hk: check out with cvs co -r v1_7 |
| 22:26.34 | jzaun | captain_proton: how does one install the game then? |
| 22:26.43 | captain_proton | jzaun: copy the data/binaries to the right place |
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| 22:29.26 | akira_ | hey babe |
| 22:29.43 | jzaun | where ahould I but the data directory on my system for bzflag to find it |
| 22:29.43 | jzaun | sry, modem kicked out |
| 22:29.43 | bzgirl | hi :) |
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| 22:30.09 | jzaun | sry, my modem kicked out |
| 22:30.19 | jzaun | where do I install the data directory? |
| 22:31.00 | captain_proton | jzaun: wherever it points to in your config-sys |
| 22:31.16 | captain_proton | scanline: where in the world does it call the python stuff? |
| 22:32.00 | scanline | Engine class loads the engine.py python module, adds all the c++ EngineModule classes to it, then calls engine.startup() which creates the game thread |
| 22:32.51 | jzaun | captain_proton: any reason not to add a make install? |
| 22:33.13 | captain_proton | jzaun: no reason aside from i'm too lazy to do it |
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| 22:35.05 | jzaun | captain_proton: oh, ok :-) |
| 22:35.17 | captain_proton | patches welcome ;-) |
| 22:36.32 | captain_proton | scanline: can we at least clear the color buffer between frames for now? |
| 22:36.57 | scanline | captain_proton: make a subclass of EngineModule that clears the buffer :) |
| 22:37.19 | scanline | or just stick in a little glClear in the Engine class with a FIXME note by it... |
| 22:38.07 | bzdoug | quack |
| 22:39.11 | hk | can anyone tell me why bzflag is absolutely slow on a 3dlabs wildcat 6110? about 20-60 fps. |
| 22:39.38 | trepan | cd /usr/share/doc |
| 22:39.38 | trepan | ls |
| 22:39.47 | trepan | oops... sorry |
| 22:41.12 | captain_proton | scanline: hehe, engine.VideoRecorder.start() is fun >:) |
| 22:41.22 | scanline | wait till you see what I'm about to commit :) |
| 22:42.03 | jzaun | what ya gonna commit... and to where? :-) |
| 22:42.17 | bzdoug | jzaun: some source, to a server someplace |
| 22:42.43 | jzaun | bzflag stuff or other software? :-P |
| 22:42.52 | captain_proton | jzaun: jetstream |
| 22:42.57 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 22:44.37 | scanline | captain_proton: committed. Check out the video recorder tab now. doesn't work yet though |
| 22:45.04 | bzdoug | whats jetstream? |
| 22:45.22 | captain_proton | scanline: ooooOOOoooo |
| 22:45.22 | akira_ | an evil hack :) |
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| 22:45.34 | bzdoug | ah |
| 22:45.35 | akira_ | hey fanta |
| 22:45.53 | bzdoug | heh |
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| 22:46.07 | captain_proton | scanline: with the video recorder tab open i get ~60fps :P |
| 22:46.17 | captain_proton | scanline: holographic is beautiful but expensive on the drawing |
| 22:46.26 | bzdoug | kewl: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942485189 |
| 22:46.33 | scanline | captain_proton: could be the textbox widget... dunno |
| 22:46.38 | scanline | I'm getting more like 150fps |
| 22:47.31 | scanline | if the unclearedness bugs you, there's always CTRL-ALT-G |
| 22:47.47 | hk | it worked.. tnx for your help |
| 22:47.56 | captain_proton | now its hovering around 120-140 |
| 22:48.05 | hk | ps: bzflag on powerbook with touchpad rulez ;-) |
| 22:48.07 | scanline | wow.. why so much for a clear? |
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| 22:48.48 | brotMachine | hi |
| 22:48.52 | scanline | picogui's grid thingy does a glClear too... hmm |
| 22:49.02 | captain_proton | scanline: does it clear the color buffer? |
| 22:49.10 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:49.20 | captain_proton | clear to green? |
| 22:49.27 | scanline | picogui always clears the depth buffer, and clears the color buffer when the CTRL-ALT-G grid is on |
| 22:49.28 | scanline | right |
| 22:49.28 | akira_ | hi brotmachine :) |
| 22:49.35 | scanline | clears to green, then does a bunch of lines |
| 22:50.26 | scanline | I need to fix the bug that keeps the mouse stuck in 640x480 even when you resize... |
| 22:51.59 | scanline | hehehe... just think how creepy this will be once textbox has HTML support and I get that app embedding stuff for picogui written |
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| 22:52.17 | bzgirl | hey jolly |
| 22:52.17 | scanline | you'll be able to click on the "mencoder" in the video recorder tab and visit the mplayer web site =) |
| 22:52.31 | jolly | hey ang |
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| 23:10.09 | jzaun | wiki seems borked |
| 23:12.18 | CobraA1 | hmm - yup |
| 23:18.59 | CobraA1 | Sent TimRiker an email through SourceForge. |
| 23:19.13 | jzaun | CobraA1: Cool he may see it here too |
| 23:19.25 | akira_ | the damn win32 .dsw .. is there a working one? |
| 23:19.53 | Patlabor221 | what's wrong with it? |
| 23:20.02 | CobraA1 | akira: How are you getting the source? Through CVS? Throught a download? |
| 23:20.06 | akira_ | doesnt have any file in it |
| 23:20.12 | akira_ | normal download |
| 23:20.12 | Patlabor221 | cr/lf |
| 23:20.25 | Patlabor221 | it's been 'nixed |
| 23:20.37 | akira_ | Patlabor221: its the src.tar.gz stuff |
| 23:20.46 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 23:20.55 | akira_ | can one give me a working one for e6? |
| 23:20.58 | CobraA1 | I use EditPad lite to convert to Windows cr/lf |
| 23:20.59 | Patlabor221 | that was made on a nix system |
| 23:21.07 | Patlabor221 | the zip one has a good one |
| 23:21.50 | Patlabor221 | you need all the DSPs and DSWs |
| 23:22.37 | Patlabor221 | ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/win32.zip |
| 23:22.46 | Patlabor221 | that's all mine, I htink that's e6 |
| 23:23.14 | akira_ | lets see |
| 23:23.41 | Patlabor221 | thought you didn't like that game doug? |
| 23:23.57 | bzdoug | I never said that |
| 23:24.04 | Patlabor221 | you said it killed your machine |
| 23:24.08 | Patlabor221 | and that it sucked |
| 23:24.15 | Patlabor221 | and that none was on it |
| 23:24.24 | Patlabor221 | it's fun isn't it? :) |
| 23:24.28 | bzdoug | lol |
| 23:24.29 | akira_ | ahh finally |
| 23:24.29 | bzdoug | yea |
| 23:24.34 | akira_ | its working patty |
| 23:24.42 | bzdoug | and it DOES kill my machine in full screen |
| 23:24.42 | Patlabor221 | good |
| 23:24.48 | Patlabor221 | realy, that's odd |
| 23:24.54 | Patlabor221 | works fine on mine |
| 23:24.58 | bzdoug | indeed |
| 23:25.04 | bzdoug | it just blue screens |
| 23:25.04 | Patlabor221 | are you set to 16 bit color |
| 23:25.11 | bzdoug | hm |
| 23:25.13 | Patlabor221 | ick, sounds like drverness |
| 23:25.14 | CobraA1 | Am I thinking of the same Continuum? The one that used to be called "Subspace"? Or somethuing else? |
| 23:25.15 | bzdoug | no |
| 23:25.16 | akira_ | lets compile vmware code |
| 23:25.17 | akira_ | :) |
| 23:25.22 | Patlabor221 | yup tha'ts it |
| 23:25.22 | bzdoug | CobraA1: yea |
| 23:25.33 | bzdoug | I am in 32 bit |
| 23:25.34 | Patlabor221 | subsapce roxors |
| 23:25.38 | Patlabor221 | try 16 |
| 23:25.43 | bzdoug | hm |
| 23:25.43 | Patlabor221 | it |
| 23:25.51 | bzdoug | nah, I like windowed |
| 23:26.05 | Patlabor221 | it's not doing anything odd in the way of video, it's all just regular DX stuff |
| 23:26.08 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:26.19 | bzdoug | hmm, how do I switch teams though? |
| 23:26.39 | CobraA1 | =# where # is ther frequency |
| 23:27.03 | Patlabor221 | tem = freq |
| 23:27.44 | bzdoug | hm |
| 23:27.56 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: is there a limit to the number of display lists you can have? |
| 23:28.01 | bzdoug | how do I find out the freq? |
| 23:28.06 | bzdoug | tem |
| 23:28.30 | Patlabor221 | look at the player list, it should have each players freq after tehre name |
| 23:28.35 | bzdoug | ok |
| 23:30.13 | akira_ | bzflag.exe 0 warnings - 0 errors :) |
| 23:30.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yeah but i don't remember what it is - something big |
| 23:30.39 | bzdoug | grr |
| 23:30.52 | Patlabor221 | like REALY big? |
| 23:31.03 | captain_proton | like 1024 or something |
| 23:31.10 | Patlabor221 | oh that's not that big |
| 23:31.14 | bzdoug | aha |
| 23:31.27 | Patlabor221 | I could eat that up with a couple fonts |
| 23:31.43 | BZFlag | nice... looks like all the wiki pages were wiped out. |
| 23:31.58 | bzdoug | BZFlag: ouch |
| 23:31.59 | Patlabor221 | who keeps doing that? |
| 23:32.32 | BZFlag | anyone could, cause of the SF file permisions. |
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| 23:33.00 | BZFlag | I'd been meaning to do a backup but I don't recall if I did one or not. |
| 23:33.22 | Patlabor221 | be nice if you had to log in with your SF account, and then could only change things you posted. |
| 23:37.10 | scanline | Patlabor221: since the web server has to be able to write to the wiki, and the web server is running as 'nobody', the wiki has to be world-writable |
| 23:37.25 | jzaun | If I were to add a flag in the 1.7 code base (currnet CVS) would that make my client incompatible with existing servers/clients? |
| 23:39.42 | CobraA1 | jzaun: yes |
| 23:39.54 | jzaun | CobraA1: :-( |
| 23:40.24 | jzaun | I had an idea for a nice flag... would add a unique aspect to the game |
| 23:41.23 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 23:41.34 | CobraA1 | There's plenty of ideas, and 1.8 experimented with adding a couple of flags. I'm hoping future versions of BZFlag will be more flexible |
| 23:41.46 | jzaun | Fireball - shot is 50% of normal life, and has a small shockwave when explosion (say 1/10th the size of a shockwave) |
| 23:42.24 | bzdoug | hm |
| 23:42.52 | akira_ | ANNOUNCE |
| 23:43.21 | akira_ | www.wirrehomepage.de -> files -> bzflag ... the 1.7e6 client for win32.exe includes chestals and my patch |
| 23:43.25 | akira_ | its working |
| 23:43.46 | akira_ | the patch itself (for e6) is placed there too |
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| 23:46.34 | bzdoug | what does it mean to attach to someone? |
| 23:47.15 | akira_ | ? |
| 23:47.29 | bzdoug | in Continuum |
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