| 00:00.21 | captain_proton | i've got 2.1.2... |
| 00:00.22 | scanline | that's fine. That function is part of freetype's cache system, which ftgl doesn't use |
| 00:00.28 | scanline | captain_proton: you need 2.1.3 or CVS |
| 00:00.34 | captain_proton | grumple |
| 00:00.52 | wankerspanker | okay suss......reco is been delivered to noddle |
| 00:00.58 | scanline | README.opengl updated |
| 00:02.17 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm... if jetstream doesn't have a config file system and needs one, it could share picogui's config file |
| 00:02.37 | scanline | s/config file/config file code/ |
| 00:06.38 | captain_proton | scanline: its not putting in -lGL! |
| 00:06.52 | scanline | ? |
| 00:07.15 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.20 | scanline | hrm |
| 00:07.21 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 00:07.31 | scanline | does -lGL show up in that debug spew when you ./configure? |
| 00:08.01 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.17 | scanline | hmmm |
| 00:08.30 | scanline | you sure sdlgl is enabled? |
| 00:09.58 | captain_proton | --enable-sdlgl ? |
| 00:10.05 | scanline | make menuconfig |
| 00:10.06 | captain_proton | i've got --enable-opengl |
| 00:10.20 | captain_proton | aha! |
| 00:11.20 | scanline | Also, if you 'cvs up', README.opengl is correct now |
| 00:12.20 | captain_proton | correct documentation is for losers |
| 00:12.26 | captain_proton | argg, why does gentoo want to upgrade glibc?! |
| 00:12.31 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:13.15 | scanline | oh, you should also enable the 'tabpage' widget.. I should go turn that on in the default config |
| 00:15.25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:24.11 | sussudio | !cheeseslap scanline |
| 00:24.16 | sussudio | err |
| 00:24.18 | scanline | ? |
| 00:24.19 | sussudio | ~cheeseslap scanline |
| 00:24.22 | | ACTION slaps scanline around with a slice of texas goat cheese |
| 00:24.28 | scanline | fun... |
| 00:24.33 | sussudio | wee |
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| 00:44.37 | scanline | I'm definitely going to install Gentoo this weekend |
| 00:45.21 | captain_proton | dan is trying that right now |
| 00:45.25 | captain_proton | its being cranky |
| 00:45.27 | scanline | still? :) |
| 00:45.43 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:45.55 | captain_proton | and he repartitioned so its even more cranky than before |
| 00:45.59 | scanline | got that opengl test to compile yet? |
| 00:46.24 | captain_proton | where is the opengl test? |
| 00:46.31 | scanline | apps/libpgtest |
| 00:46.45 | scanline | it requires libpgserver.so and themec to be installed |
| 00:48.27 | scanline | libpgtest doesn't require cli_c, but it would be a good idea anywat |
| 00:48.30 | scanline | err, anyway |
| 00:50.08 | captain_proton | is there a sample config anywhere? |
| 00:50.41 | scanline | config for what? |
| 00:50.47 | captain_proton | pgserver |
| 00:50.54 | scanline | runtime or compile-time? |
| 00:51.14 | captain_proton | runtime |
| 00:51.44 | scanline | there are some specific to various platforms in pgserver/profiles, but none for a desktop |
| 00:51.56 | scanline | the runtime config file is optional |
| 00:52.10 | scanline | libpgtest doesn't read it |
| 00:52.42 | scanline | for normal use you'll usually just specify themes and an initial app to load |
| 00:52.52 | scanline | that's all documented in README.configfile |
| 00:56.23 | captain_proton | joy on a stick |
| 00:56.34 | captain_proton | /bin/sh: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /bin/sh) |
| 00:56.41 | scanline | haha |
| 00:57.26 | captain_proton | uh oh |
| 00:57.35 | captain_proton | bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad |
| 01:01.49 | captain_proton | wow this is VERY grumpy |
| 01:10.29 | captain_proton | less grumpy |
| 01:10.34 | captain_proton | but its still b0rken |
| 01:10.41 | captain_proton | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2/include/stdio.h:55: syntax error before "typedef" |
| 01:10.50 | scanline | ha |
| 01:11.50 | captain_proton | or at least /me tries to drop back |
| 01:12.01 | scanline | " Third, a bunker/cave would be of little use if a particle accelerator mishap created a small black hole that sucked in all the matter on the planet. Just as useless as it would be in the event of an antimatter bomb attack." |
| 01:12.17 | scanline | slashdot links to such funny material... |
| 01:13.26 | scanline | "Also, the one single atmosphere of pressure in outer space seems inconsequential compared to the hundreds of atmospheres of pressure under the sea." |
| 01:13.34 | scanline | gee, I didn't know there was 1 ATM in space... |
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| 08:19.51 | captain_proton | scanline: dan wants to go exercise in the eccr tomorrow |
| 08:20.03 | scanline | I'm up for it if I'm awake |
| 08:25.26 | BZFlag | someone send me a botmail message. "~botmail for BZFlag Just testing." |
| 08:25.35 | captain_proton | ~botmail for BZFlag Just testing. |
| 08:25.42 | scanline | ~botmail for BZFlag yay for cheese |
| 08:25.44 | sussudio | ~botmail for BZFlag meow who's a bad kitty then |
| 08:25.59 | BZFlag | nice. thanx. |
| 08:26.18 | sussudio | ~cheeseslap scanline |
| 08:26.18 | | ACTION slaps scanline around with a slice of swiss |
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| 08:26.56 | BZFlag | hmm. ibot notifies you for _each_ channel you join. that needs to get fixed. ;-) |
| 08:27.08 | scanline | BZFlag: I noticed that when I reconnected today :) |
| 08:27.26 | BZFlag | ~botmail for scanline You should report bugs. ;-) |
| 08:27.43 | scanline | I was planning on next time I saw you, but I was too late |
| 08:28.00 | BZFlag | heh. well no need now. I'll work on it later. |
| 08:28.14 | scanline | and I always forget how to use botmail and am too lazy to look at the help :) |
| 08:28.18 | BZFlag | at least send, read, check and check on join are working now. |
| 08:28.42 | BZFlag | I added the (botmail read) commend to the notify if you have mail. |
| 08:29.07 | BZFlag | the help's not there yet. =) |
| 08:29.20 | scanline | ah, well you see how many times I've tried to use it then |
| 08:30.54 | captain_proton | oh right i remember why i'm not recompiling themec |
| 08:30.56 | captain_proton | because portage ate my glibc for breakfast |
| 08:31.09 | scanline | chomp chomp yum |
| 08:31.30 | captain_proton | wow, getting late |
| 08:33.07 | MrApathyCream | the nite is young |
| 08:33.49 | captain_proton | hmm, i've never really listened to the lyrics of this song |
| 08:34.14 | captain_proton | its about a guy who falls in love with a sweedish sysop of a bbs and learns to phreak because he can't afford the long-distance :) |
| 08:34.20 | captain_proton | such a touching song... |
| 08:34.25 | MrApathyCream | i especially like the second verse... |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | ...i know i'll never have any more fun... |
| 08:34.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ...you actually know what song i was talking about or are you just being yourself? |
| 08:34.56 | MrApathyCream | ...than when i know cache cleanup is done... |
| 08:35.06 | captain_proton | oh geez |
| 08:35.08 | MrApathyCream | [the words are so pretty] |
| 08:35.19 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i can't compile anything because gentoo ate my C library |
| 08:35.24 | captain_proton | i'm working on fixing it |
| 08:37.12 | captain_proton | scanline: emerge --fill-up-harddisk |
| 08:37.18 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 08:37.30 | scanline | emerge --buy-me-a-bigger-disk |
| 08:41.09 | sussudio | [what scanline doesnt know, is that we replaces all his floyd mp3s with britney spears and nsync and renamed them] |
| 08:41.52 | scanline | Well, I've verified that the first 2 minutes and 5 seconds of Shine on you crazy diaond Part 1 is safe at least.. |
| 08:42.09 | scanline | I'm sure xmms would crash if it was actually playing nsync or britney spears |
| 08:43.26 | sussudio | oh be quiet mpg123 |
| 08:43.27 | sussudio | Playing MPEG stream from (Pink_Floyd)_[01]_Shine_On_You_Crazy_Diamond.mp3 ... |
| 08:43.27 | sussudio | Junk at the beginning 49443303 |
| 08:43.34 | sussudio | calling it junk |
| 08:43.35 | sussudio | tsk |
| 08:43.35 | captain_proton | i've fallen in love with my replicant... |
| 08:44.01 | scanline | This is such a cool album |
| 08:44.11 | sussudio | pulse? |
| 08:44.17 | scanline | wish you were here |
| 08:44.21 | sussudio | mkay |
| 08:44.33 | scanline | I should figure out what I did with the CD so I can rerip it to ogg |
| 08:45.00 | sussudio | the led stopped blinking about 3 years ago :-P |
| 08:46.29 | captain_proton | yay |
| 08:46.32 | captain_proton | time for the daily rehubbing |
| 08:46.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:47.23 | sussudio | that's quiet a long intro mr gilmour |
| 08:47.29 | captain_proton | yay i can compile again |
| 08:48.09 | captain_proton | grr |
| 08:48.16 | captain_proton | Error on gl_lucid.ths:32: parse error at "GL.begin" |
| 08:48.16 | captain_proton | Error on gl_lucid.ths:74: parse error at "fTranslucent" |
| 08:48.20 | sussudio | aww |
| 08:48.35 | scanline | captain_proton: in themetools, ./configure --enable-opengl |
| 08:48.42 | MrApathyCream | dag, I wish i used *nix |
| 08:48.42 | captain_proton | scanline: i did |
| 08:48.47 | scanline | *grumble* |
| 08:49.16 | scanline | grep GL_BEGIN themec/symtab.c |
| 08:49.29 | captain_proton | nothing |
| 08:49.34 | scanline | rm themec/symtab.c |
| 08:49.34 | scanline | make |
| 08:50.10 | scanline | I think the dependencies for generating that symbol table are screwed up, so it won't always regenerate when it should |
| 08:51.48 | captain_proton | the makefile in libpgtest isn't autogenerated >=| |
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| 08:52.11 | scanline | it was just a quick test, I hadn't autoconfized it yet! |
| 08:52.38 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:52.44 | captain_proton | *** ERROR (INTERNAL) : Can't find the requested font engine (did you remember to compile it in?) |
| 08:53.14 | scanline | hmm.. |
| 08:53.20 | scanline | it will be looking for ftgl |
| 08:54.24 | scanline | see if ftgl shows up in "pgserver -l" |
| 08:54.55 | captain_proton | hmm it doesn't |
| 08:54.57 | captain_proton | strange |
| 08:55.15 | scanline | did you 'make install' pgserver after compiling it with ftgl? |
| 08:55.41 | captain_proton | i built with ftgl from the beginning |
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| 08:57.06 | scanline | grep FTGL pgserver/profile.user |
| 08:57.15 | captain_proton | CONFIG_FONTENGINE_FTGL=y |
| 08:57.32 | scanline | ls vidbase/font_ftgl.* |
| 08:57.51 | scanline | ohhhhh |
| 08:57.54 | scanline | I found the problem |
| 08:58.02 | scanline | #ifdef CONFIG_FONTENGINE_TEXTMODE |
| 08:58.02 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.02 | scanline | #endif |
| 08:58.12 | scanline | that should be CONFIG_FONTENGINE_FTGL... oops |
| 08:58.39 | scanline | committed |
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| 09:01.12 | captain_proton | where should i put fonts? |
| 09:01.38 | scanline | it will look in /usr/share/fonts by default, you can override that by sticking --font-ftgl.path=/foo/fonts in the command line |
| 09:02.14 | scanline | there's a full list of options in README.configfile |
| 09:03.30 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 09:03.36 | captain_proton | whatever font it chose is very unhappy |
| 09:04.10 | scanline | it looks for "helmet" by default since that's one of the standard picogui fonts... override it with somethinglike --font-ftgl.default_face=Arial |
| 09:05.34 | captain_proton | ahh, nifty |
| 09:05.47 | scanline | there are also plenty of fun 'magic keys' documented in README.opengl |
| 09:06.36 | captain_proton | hmm, the text under 'humor' is screwy |
| 09:06.41 | captain_proton | but all the other text is good |
| 09:06.52 | scanline | yeah, clipping bug of some kind.. seems to only affect the textbox widget |
| 09:07.28 | captain_proton | that lovely textbox... |
| 09:07.38 | scanline | ha |
| 09:07.53 | captain_proton | scanline: those buttons look suspiciously perspective-ized |
| 09:08.10 | scanline | try zooming in on them and rotating.. I was experimenting with 3D widgets |
| 09:08.22 | captain_proton | i don't want to remember the magic keys ;) |
| 09:08.41 | scanline | CTRL-ALT-Q is the translate/zoom, CTRL-ALT-E is rotate |
| 09:08.54 | scanline | there's also CTRL-ALT-G to enable/disable the grid, CTRL-ALT-F for FPS display |
| 09:09.04 | scanline | CTRL-ALT-Z for camera-follows-mouse and zoom |
| 09:09.30 | scanline | I had to make them things you wouldn't press under normal circumstances :) |
| 09:09.57 | scanline | oh, and CTRL-ALT-W for wireframe mode |
| 09:10.13 | captain_proton | thats thexy |
| 09:10.19 | scanline | :) |
| 09:10.43 | scanline | also, this demo runs with picogui's networking up, so you can run other picogui apps too |
| 09:12.18 | captain_proton | ooh thats trippy |
| 09:12.20 | scanline | Oh yeah... in the translate/zoom and rotate modes, the scroll wheel acts as the Z axis. The mouse functionality is also mirrored by the arrow keys, with the Z axis controlled by W and S |
| 09:12.43 | scanline | If you want to see some animation, there's the old gl_cube theme |
| 09:12.43 | BZFlag | ~hit captain_proton fo using trippy |
| 09:12.44 | | BZFlag: i haven't a clue |
| 09:12.51 | BZFlag | ~hit captain_proton for using trippy |
| 09:12.52 | | ACTION hits captain_proton for using trippy |
| 09:13.07 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i use trippy when something really is - like anaglyph in bz :) |
| 09:13.12 | scanline | I had some code in there that made the text on all buttons spin.. but that was too disconcerting for even test purposes |
| 09:13.43 | captain_proton | the mouse mapped into 3-space is really confusing |
| 09:14.16 | scanline | hehe. Unless the user discovers the camera control keys, it should always work like a normal 2D mouse |
| 09:14.32 | captain_proton | hmm, performance hit of 30% when its rendering text |
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| 09:14.53 | scanline | The textbox needs optimization, right now it doesn't skip glyphs that are completely outside the clipping rectangle |
| 09:15.03 | scanline | s/the textbox/ftgl/ |
| 09:15.06 | captain_proton | actually a LOT bigger hit |
| 09:15.17 | captain_proton | on "page 3" i get a solid 400fps, on "humor" i get 120 |
| 09:15.45 | scanline | It could be something related to the clipping bug.. will have to see how fast it runs when that is fixed |
| 09:16.15 | scanline | if it doesn't improve, we may need to have a way to cache large chunks of static text to a texture |
| 09:16.28 | scanline | as it is, it's always drawing one quad per glyph |
| 09:17.06 | captain_proton | one performance optimization is to make it draw all of one character at once |
| 09:17.17 | captain_proton | so you only bind each letter's texture once |
| 09:17.24 | captain_proton | because binding takes -forever- compared to drawing a quad |
| 09:17.28 | scanline | really... |
| 09:17.29 | scanline | hmm |
| 09:17.41 | scanline | That would be really screwy to implement :) |
| 09:17.54 | captain_proton | thats why every half-decent 3d engine sorts by texture |
| 09:18.27 | scanline | I'll keep that in mind, may do that if the problem is real rather than just being a bug |
| 09:19.09 | captain_proton | whenever the clipping rectangle changes (or scroll, or however you do it), recompute an array of lists of pointers to characters :) |
| 09:19.40 | captain_proton | binding shouldn't account for that much of a performance hit however, its probably a combination of the two problems |
| 09:20.28 | scanline | yeah.. I'd want to be sure that the texture binding is slower than actually going through this sorting process |
| 09:20.31 | captain_proton | texture handling is directx's only claim to fame |
| 09:20.33 | sussudio | 100 shots decks is just wrong |
| 09:20.40 | captain_proton | sussudio: VERY WRONG |
| 09:20.52 | sussudio | ~cheeseslap noodleman |
| 09:20.53 | | ACTION slaps noodleman around with a slice of cheddar |
| 09:21.32 | captain_proton | scanline: for what, reflections? |
| 09:21.49 | scanline | captain_proton: nah, just regular offscreen rendering |
| 09:22.08 | scanline | right now it has to do offscreen rendering using linear32 then upload that as a texture if necessary |
| 09:22.13 | scanline | OH... waitaminute |
| 09:22.20 | scanline | texture binding shouldn't be a big problem in text |
| 09:22.35 | captain_proton | oh right |
| 09:22.38 | scanline | ftgl uses relatively big textures... 256x256 as it's set now |
| 09:22.50 | captain_proton | you're just texcoording out the character |
| 09:22.54 | scanline | yep |
| 09:23.00 | captain_proton | so yeah, its all your fault! |
| 09:23.06 | scanline | so if it's a problem, we can just increase the size of the texture pages |
| 09:23.06 | scanline | :) |
| 09:23.33 | scanline | though right now it doesn't check whether it's already bound to a texture before binding |
| 09:23.44 | scanline | if OpenGL isn't smart enough to do that itself, I can easily make that check |
| 09:24.01 | captain_proton | its just a state machine - binding one texture replaces the previous one |
| 09:24.18 | scanline | right.. but is it still slow if you're binding the same one that you did last time? |
| 09:24.30 | captain_proton | well yeah |
| 09:24.33 | scanline | ok |
| 09:24.36 | scanline | will fix that |
| 09:25.03 | scanline | hmm.. the text on the buttons look bad compared to the text not on buttons, like the text on the "cruft" page |
| 09:25.18 | scanline | 'tis not being rendered at z=0, so it's scaled a bit |
| 09:25.36 | captain_proton | i suppose it could do an internal check, i don't know the inandouts of nvidia hardware |
| 09:26.08 | scanline | it'll benchmark it a bit after I fix that clipping thingy |
| 09:26.16 | scanline | and after I do some of this homework... |
| 09:26.26 | captain_proton | hmm i wonder if i have any homework to do... |
| 09:26.36 | captain_proton | nope :) |
| 09:26.44 | scanline | bah |
| 09:31.05 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 09:33.40 | sussudio | nope |
| 09:34.06 | scanline | yes! |
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| 10:16.29 | sussudio | is a 1.3mpixel digital camera considered crap or good? |
| 10:17.35 | captain_proton | 1.3 is good if you're just gonna put them on the web |
| 10:17.44 | captain_proton | if you're going to print photos, you'll want at least 4 |
| 10:18.06 | sussudio | i dont have a color printer |
| 10:18.25 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/022211.htm |
| 10:18.27 | sussudio | i took some pics |
| 10:18.35 | sussudio | got it yesterday |
| 10:18.44 | sussudio | mustek gsmart mini 2 |
| 10:19.27 | sussudio | 16MB (real MB, not megabits like those fuckers at LIDL and ALDI advertise with), rechargeable li-ion internal battery (via usb) and it's about the size of a creditcard |
| 10:19.51 | captain_proton | nice |
| 10:19.56 | sussudio | 89 euro |
| 10:20.08 | sussudio | everything else in that pricerange only had 0.3mpixel and 2-8MB |
| 10:20.21 | scanline | rechargable, nice |
| 10:20.36 | sussudio | yeah.. all the others needed penlite batteries too |
| 10:21.11 | sussudio | i couldnt find the mini 3, it's about 120 euro with 2.1mpixel |
| 10:21.56 | sussudio | it can do 108 seconds of video too on 320x240 16fps |
| 10:22.03 | scanline | not bad |
| 10:22.22 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm.. jetstream could use pgserver for texture loading too :) |
| 10:22.40 | scanline | heck, you could even package textures inside picogui themes |
| 10:22.57 | sussudio | 16MB is plenty of room for pics...... 36 at 1600x1200, 54 at 1200x1000, 210 or something at 640x480 |
| 10:23.41 | captain_proton | i've got a nice texture manager that will load all recognized formats in the data dir then references them by path |
| 10:23.49 | sussudio | now how to get it working under leeeeeeeeeeenux |
| 10:24.14 | captain_proton | but it would be nice to add png support to it |
| 10:24.15 | scanline | captain_proton: what does it use for image loading, libjpeg/libpng or something like imlib? |
| 10:24.25 | captain_proton | it uses hand-written loaders :) |
| 10:24.33 | scanline | which formats? |
| 10:25.04 | scanline | btw, fixed the artifact in CVS |
| 10:25.04 | captain_proton | BMP, TGA, and SME (sme is patlabor's custom format) |
| 10:25.19 | scanline | hmm.. all formats with crappy compression? |
| 10:25.44 | captain_proton | yep |
| 10:25.59 | captain_proton | pat wrote BMP, i wrote TGA because BMP sucks and TGA is easy... |
| 10:26.26 | captain_proton | i think i'm gonna head off to sleep |
| 10:26.28 | scanline | pgserver has handwritten loaders for xbm, pnm, bmp, a modified libungif to read gif, and libpng/libjpeg support |
| 10:26.44 | captain_proton | all we really need is png :) |
| 10:26.47 | scanline | good night. maybe I'll keep trying at this non-procrastination of homework thing... |
| 10:27.04 | scanline | true |
| 10:27.07 | captain_proton | tomorrow i'll play with getting libpgserver into jetstream |
| 10:27.15 | scanline | though jpeg might be nice if you have big backdrops and such |
| 10:27.30 | scanline | captain_proton: the API for embedding pgserver isn't solid yet |
| 10:27.37 | captain_proton | big textures = yick |
| 10:27.50 | scanline | skybox textures? |
| 10:28.08 | captain_proton | skybox textures are still usually 256x256 or at most 512x512 |
| 10:28.16 | scanline | mmkay |
| 10:28.51 | captain_proton | the opengl spec doesn't require anything above 256 so some hardware won't handle them or will be really slow if they're bigger |
| 10:28.57 | captain_proton | i'm off to bed |
| 10:29.00 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 10:29.02 | scanline | g'night |
| 10:42.07 | sussudio | moin |
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| 10:43.35 | sussudio | bzf screwed up my gamma gain |
| 10:43.39 | bomber | moin |
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| 10:55.50 | scanline | have to reboot to fix gamma? |
| 10:56.07 | sussudio | yup. |
| 10:56.15 | scanline | xgamma? |
| 10:56.20 | sussudio | no |
| 10:56.30 | sussudio | gamma for my radeon in win2000 |
| 10:56.36 | scanline | oh |
| 10:56.54 | scanline | xgamma is a utility in X to set the gamma.. windows doesn't have a control panel or something for gamma? |
| 10:56.56 | sussudio | if bzf cant connect to a server, i have to kill it and gamma isnt restored |
| 10:57.07 | sussudio | scanline : yes, but it doesnt change it back permanently |
| 10:57.29 | sussudio | so if i run something else that uses GL like bzedit, it's fucked up again |
| 10:57.39 | scanline | heh |
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| 11:20.12 | sussudio | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28245.html |
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| 13:11.48 | Pinguin | bomber? |
| 13:21.49 | bomber | hi pingi |
| 13:21.51 | bomber | ja? |
| 13:22.01 | Pinguin | Hi |
| 13:22.27 | Pinguin | OK: dn/dt=1+sin(wt)-t/c ... |
| 13:22.33 | Pinguin | n=? |
| 13:24.09 | Pinguin | ups ... |
| 13:24.24 | Pinguin | => dn/dt = 1 + sin(wt) + n/c |
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| 13:43.52 | sussudio | damn cheatbots |
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| 13:59.30 | baikonur | hi |
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| 15:04.48 | Doughecka | You don't need a leisurely demeanor to shock the monkey. |
| 15:34.43 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 15:34.44 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:34.46 | bzbot | xabbu (G): 0 (3-3). ypsilon (R): 1 (3-2). baiko (R): 43 (125-82). hellfire (G): 7 (35-28). root (R): 1 (3-2). rammstein (R): 1 (59-58). john (G): -1 (0-1). alie_rules (G): -1 (0-1). |
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| 16:30.21 | Doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 16:31.45 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:32.29 | [TeA|]-[XP] | ibot ducati |
| 16:32.30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:32.32 | bzbot | baptiste (G): -6 (63-69). john (R): -2 (5-7). Storm (G): 1 (10-9). pasky (R): -17 (10-27). Dutchie (G): -2 (11-13). Ruudi (R): 9 (11-2). NavanMan (R): -12 (29-41). |
| 16:33.09 | Patlabor221 | just found out that most versions of bzflag are case senstive to object names |
| 16:33.29 | Patlabor221 | so bzedit won't make maps that work :) |
| 16:33.35 | Doughecka | gah |
| 16:34.33 | baikonur | hey cool |
| 16:34.37 | baikonur | stats from ducati :) |
| 16:35.19 | baikonur | bye |
| 16:35.23 | Doughecka | cya |
| 16:41.11 | Patlabor221 | who wrote this? |
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| 16:44.03 | Cell | hi doug |
| 16:44.10 | Doughecka | um, hi |
| 16:44.37 | Cell | could u make some renderings for me? |
| 16:44.40 | Cell | :) |
| 16:45.02 | Doughecka | hmm, not today, I am getting ready to leave on vacation |
| 16:45.04 | Doughecka | :( |
| 16:45.09 | Cell | oh, k |
| 16:45.19 | Doughecka | what renderings? |
| 16:45.45 | Cell | 16 selection region icons |
| 16:46.23 | Doughecka | hmm, you just need them rendered? |
| 16:46.28 | Cell | yes |
| 16:46.33 | Doughecka | oh sure! |
| 16:46.35 | Cell | i render all my icons with max |
| 16:46.37 | Doughecka | I can render them |
| 16:47.14 | Cell | when? |
| 16:47.22 | Doughecka | now |
| 16:47.24 | Doughecka | :) |
| 16:47.33 | Doughecka | I thought you meant draw them out.. :P |
| 16:48.06 | Cell | i could give the file to u in half an hour |
| 16:48.30 | Doughecka | k |
| 16:48.34 | Cell | great |
| 16:49.19 | Cell | my sister did the draft so i have to check it for correctness, takes some min |
| 16:49.23 | Doughecka | heh |
| 16:49.25 | Doughecka | ok |
| 16:50.29 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 16:50.30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:50.31 | bzbot | baptiste (G): -11 (95-106). john (R): -26 (22-48). Alchwarisi (G): 0 (4-4). Dutchie (G): -12 (39-51). Ruudi (R): 42 (84-42). plani (G): 6 (42-36). NavanMan (R): -30 (56-86). |
| 16:57.25 | rooter | interesting |
| 16:57.32 | rooter | i should play here more |
| 17:00.13 | bomber | ibot rooter |
| 17:00.14 | | bomber: i haven't a clue |
| 17:01.42 | fiberchunks | pardon me, but how is collision detection on pyramids done? If you put a pyramid on an object, you can drive and shoot through it, no matter what? |
| 17:02.13 | Patlabor221 | it has to be on the ground then it's colideable |
| 17:02.19 | Patlabor221 | z 0 |
| 17:02.37 | fiberchunks | hrm...is that going to be changed at any point? |
| 17:02.42 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:02.52 | fiberchunks | ahhh, k thanks Patlabor221 |
| 17:02.53 | Patlabor221 | when there is real 3d colision detection |
| 17:03.34 | fiberchunks | how is it defined for a collide? |
| 17:04.29 | fiberchunks | hrm, how come floating walls can collide properly, but floating pyramids can't, any reason or ideas? |
| 17:04.46 | fiberchunks | with bullets, that is |
| 17:05.27 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 17:05.28 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:05.29 | bzbot | xabbu (G): -3 (7-10). john (R): -34 (40-74). Alchwarisi (G): -9 (22-31). Zwei (R): 15 (36-21). Dutchie (G): -30 (55-85). Ruudi (R): 60 (135-75). plani (G): 13 (88-75). NavanMan (R): -51 (73-124). |
| 17:07.53 | Patlabor221 | it's jsut the way they did it |
| 17:08.07 | Patlabor221 | pyramids are "specal" |
| 17:09.07 | fiberchunks | hrm..thx again... |
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| 17:20.44 | scanline | I realized this morning that picogui's layout tree is suspiciously like a 2D version of an octree |
| 17:22.47 | Doughecka | Cell: got them? |
| 17:23.08 | Doughecka | if you could somehow make it all a batch and zip it all up, I can run al the renders at once |
| 17:26.29 | Cell | i try |
| 17:26.32 | Doughecka | k |
| 17:26.40 | Doughecka | cuz I will be in and out all day |
| 17:26.41 | Doughecka | :P |
| 17:27.07 | Cell | k |
| 17:27.24 | Doughecka | it'd be best if I dont have to baby sit the render through, then I could dump the renders output to my webserver and you can download it when they are done |
| 17:27.28 | Doughecka | heh |
| 17:27.31 | Doughecka | total automation |
| 17:27.48 | Patlabor221 | doug, can you see if the download link works on my page, for the new version? |
| 17:28.35 | Doughecka | k |
| 17:29.10 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 17:29.19 | Doughecka | it works |
| 17:29.24 | Patlabor221 | huzzah |
| 17:29.49 | Patlabor221 | for some reason I can't FTP to the place where the file is from inside the building. |
| 17:29.56 | Patlabor221 | even tho this is where the site is. |
| 17:30.10 | Patlabor221 | and I can get to it by file share |
| 17:31.25 | [TeA|]-[XP] | ibot ducati |
| 17:31.26 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:31.26 | bzbot | xabbu (R): -8 (8-16). lolita (G): 3 (3-0). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): 1 (8-7). Voldemort (G): 2 (5-3). [dmp] (G): 9 (22-13). KelsoeNater (G): -6 (6-12). NavanMan (R): -70 (97-167). |
| 17:31.39 | Doughecka | lol |
| 17:31.40 | Doughecka | odd |
| 17:32.19 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 17:32.47 | Doughecka | that you cant FTP |
| 17:32.57 | Patlabor221 | it's the way they have us set up |
| 17:32.59 | Patlabor221 | and the firebox |
| 17:36.16 | Doughecka | heh |
| 17:36.31 | Doughecka | 713 people visted the bzedit page |
| 17:36.32 | Doughecka | wo |
| 17:36.33 | Doughecka | wow |
| 17:37.08 | Doughecka | 1.5.9a5 has the fixed base loading? |
| 17:40.00 | Patlabor221 | all the 1.5's load bases |
| 17:40.07 | Patlabor221 | well 1.5.9s |
| 17:40.09 | Patlabor221 | I think |
| 17:40.18 | Patlabor221 | it was 500 yesterday |
| 17:42.11 | Cell | Doughecka: its to difficult to automate, it would need some hand made changes per rendering |
| 17:43.08 | Doughecka | k |
| 17:43.13 | Doughecka | gah |
| 17:43.16 | Doughecka | I have to do something |
| 17:51.55 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 17:51.56 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:51.57 | bzbot | root (R): 0 (2-2). lolita (G): 12 (56-44). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): 4 (55-51). NavanMan (R): -10 (6-16). y o y o x (R): 20 (33-13). [dmp] (G): 12 (63-51). The Artist Formaly KA KelsoeNat (G): -5 (21-26). too much loving (G): -1 (12-13). |
| 17:54.45 | Patlabor221 | there one updated "anatomy of a teleporter" document. |
| 18:10.39 | rooter | ibot ducati? |
| 18:10.39 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:10.40 | bzbot | M1 (G): 3 (10-7). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): -5 (88-93). xabbu (R): 0 (0-0). Zwei (G): 15 (31-16). The Arteest (G): -4 (29-33). too much loving (G): -16 (39-55). Dutchie (R): -6 (27-33). NavanMan (R): -4 (7-11). |
| 18:10.58 | rooter | what are ibots other commands? |
| 18:11.19 | bomber | ibot help |
| 18:11.31 | bomber | :o)) |
| 18:13.25 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA] (~Nicholas@pD9E94FB8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:13.50 | [TeA] | hmm |
| 18:13.55 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 18:13.56 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:13.57 | bzbot | M1 (G): 5 (17-12). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): -6 (95-101). xabbu (R): 0 (8-8). Zwei (G): 21 (41-20). The Arteest (G): -3 (38-41). too much loving (G): -17 (45-62). Dutchie (R): -12 (31-43). NavanMan (R): -16 (7-23). |
| 18:14.06 | [TeA] | full |
| 18:14.08 | [TeA] | hmm |
| 18:15.17 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 18:15.18 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:15.18 | bzbot | M1 (G): 6 (20-14). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): -10 (96-106). xabbu (R): 0 (13-13). Zwei (G): 24 (47-23). The Arteest (G): -3 (41-44). too much loving (G): -18 (49-67). Dutchie (R): -14 (33-47). NavanMan (R): -18 (9-27). |
| 18:15.25 | rooter | ibot help |
| 18:15.32 | rooter | ibot help? |
| 18:15.33 | | WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS |
| 18:15.38 | rooter | :) |
| 18:15.47 | rooter | i see |
| 18:15.57 | [TeA] | :) |
| 18:16.21 | [TeA] | bomber! |
| 18:16.33 | bomber | ja? |
| 18:16.45 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA]_ (~Nicholas@pD9E94FB8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:16.50 | bomber | ja? |
| 18:16.56 | [TeA]_ | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:18.23 | bomber | ibot: rooter is a curious guy |
| 18:18.24 | | bomber: okay |
| 18:18.29 | bomber | ibot rooter |
| 18:18.30 | | rooter is probably a curious guy |
| 18:18.34 | bomber | n:o)) |
| 18:19.06 | [TeA]_ | ibot: bomber hat irgendwie nen Schuss |
| 18:19.07 | | [TeA]_: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:19.14 | rooter | :) hmmm... smart bot |
| 18:19.14 | [TeA]_ | ? |
| 18:19.22 | [TeA]_ | ibot bomber |
| 18:19.23 | | [TeA]_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:19.23 | bomber | hahaha |
| 18:19.29 | [TeA]_ | :o( |
| 18:19.30 | bomber | hahahha |
| 18:19.30 | rooter | Ha ha ha |
| 18:19.34 | rooter | that's great |
| 18:19.43 | rooter | time for a meeting... how drole |
| 18:19.49 | bomber | tea muss das mit " is" sein |
| 18:20.13 | [TeA]_ | ibot: bomber is a crazy penguin |
| 18:20.14 | | okay, [TeA]_ |
| 18:20.21 | [TeA]_ | ibot bomber |
| 18:20.21 | | hmm... bomber is a crazy penguin |
| 18:20.26 | [TeA]_ | ;) |
| 18:20.30 | bomber | :o)) |
| 18:21.05 | [TeA]_ | ibot [TeA] |
| 18:21.06 | | [TeA]_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:21.10 | [TeA]_ | ooooooh |
| 18:21.12 | [TeA]_ | :o( |
| 18:21.15 | [TeA]_ | ibot tea |
| 18:21.16 | | [TeA]_: wish i knew |
| 18:21.20 | [TeA]_ | ibot tree |
| 18:21.21 | | [tree] a big leafy thing |
| 18:21.24 | rooter | ibot: Bomber ist am bzflag zu gut |
| 18:21.25 | | rooter: i don't know |
| 18:21.34 | rooter | hmm |
| 18:21.34 | [TeA]_ | lol |
| 18:21.48 | bomber | ibot [TeA] is a crazy penguin too |
| 18:21.49 | | okay, bomber |
| 18:21.53 | rooter | shows how much i know |
| 18:21.54 | [TeA]_ | :P |
| 18:21.58 | bomber | ibot [TeA] |
| 18:21.59 | | it has been said that [tea] is a crazy penguin too |
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| 18:22.01 | [TeA]_ | *langweilig* |
| 18:22.06 | ak|ra | abend |
| 18:22.10 | ak|ra | hallo tea |
| 18:22.11 | bomber | hi akira |
| 18:22.12 | [TeA]_ | naben akira |
| 18:22.21 | ak|ra | bomber: die dinger sind unterwegs |
| 18:22.24 | ak|ra | kommen montag an |
| 18:22.30 | bomber | super...also morgen? |
| 18:22.37 | bomber | montag? |
| 18:22.39 | ak|ra | ja |
| 18:22.42 | ak|ra | ich denke schon |
| 18:22.42 | bomber | auch ok |
| 18:22.44 | [TeA]_ | was den? |
| 18:22.49 | [TeA]_ | :o) |
| 18:22.52 | ak|ra | tea du kannst zwar alles essen :) |
| 18:22.59 | [TeA]_ | ?!?!?!? |
| 18:23.17 | bomber | rooter: case sensitiv :o) |
| 18:23.48 | [TeA]_ | ibot [TeA] is a bad player in bzflag |
| 18:23.49 | | ...but [tea] is already something else... |
| 18:23.56 | [TeA]_ | hmm |
| 18:24.25 | bomber | :o)) |
| 18:24.50 | [TeA]_ | ibot ducati |
| 18:24.51 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:24.52 | bzbot | Zwei (R): -2 (7-9). M1 (G): 18 (44-26). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): -7 (121-128). #5 (G): -4 (2-6). The Arteest (G): -7 (58-65). too much loving (G): -15 (67-82). |
| 18:24.55 | [TeA]_ | hmm |
| 18:25.07 | [TeA]_ | im off to bz |
| 18:25.11 | ak|ra | m1 -> vbz |
| 18:25.15 | ak|ra | mhh |
| 18:32.13 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 18:32.14 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:32.15 | bzbot | Zwei (R): 4 (27-23). M1 (G): 21 (58-37). DeadMeat (ProXS) (R): -9 (140-149). #5 (G): -10 (15-25). The Arteest (G): -1 (4-5). too much loving (G): -22 (76-98). |
| 18:32.20 | bomber | los gehts |
| 18:32.34 | ak|ra | aha |
| 18:32.37 | ak|ra | bzten? |
| 18:32.38 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 18:58.27 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA] (~Nicholas@pD9E94FB8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:56.34 | Doughecka | ~lart rooter |
| 19:56.42 | Doughecka | ~insult rooter |
| 20:04.45 | rooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.46 | | rooter: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:04.50 | rooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.50 | | rooter: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:05.10 | Doughecka | doesnt speeeeeek german |
| 20:05.19 | rooter | that makes two of us |
| 20:05.44 | rooter | well, off to a talk... |
| 20:05.49 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:05.52 | Doughecka | ZAP |
| 20:06.10 | Doughecka | cool |
| 20:06.22 | Doughecka | latest book on slashdot |
| 20:06.24 | Doughecka | http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/21/1741204&mode=nested&tid=99 |
| 20:10.10 | Doughecka | ~topic add ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein |
| 20:10.31 | ak|ra | ibot bzflag |
| 20:10.32 | | hmm... bzflag is TimRiker, former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 20:10.48 | ak|ra | ibot ducati |
| 20:10.48 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:10.57 | bzbot | Boum! (G): -25 (22-47). M1 (G): 21 (49-28). SGI (R): -2 (8-10). bomber (R): 81 (193-112). Arch Angel (G): -23 (12-35). nope (R): 0 (2-2). Riseman (R): 7 (94-87). Chestal (G): -1 (67-68). |
| 20:22.29 | jzaun | captain_proton: you around? |
| 20:22.36 | jzaun | captain_proton: where is the code for BZE? |
| 20:22.45 | jzaun | captain_proton: need to dload it again |
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| 20:40.58 | *** join/#bzflag BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 20:40.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
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| 20:46.09 | fiberchunks | hello, what module do I co for 1.7e7 source, -r 1_7? |
| 20:46.20 | BZFlag | v1_7 |
| 20:46.28 | fiberchunks | thanks very much |
| 20:46.59 | captain_proton | BZFlag: when are you gonna fix that? |
| 20:47.05 | ak|ra | :) |
| 20:47.44 | ak|ra | someone has a usb-flash-stick working with linux? |
| 20:48.15 | BZFlag | ak|ra: someone. ;-) |
| 20:48.21 | ak|ra | :) |
| 20:48.33 | BZFlag | ~hit captain_proton for asking. |
| 20:48.34 | | ACTION hits captain_proton for asking. |
| 20:48.39 | ak|ra | i did a modprobe core, uhci and massstorage |
| 20:50.24 | ak|ra | but .. doesnt work so really |
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| 20:53.49 | Chestal | bzflag: any objectiosn against enforcing lien buffering for bzfs stdout/err? |
| 20:55.07 | BZFlag | Chestal: nope. doesn't buffer at the moment? |
| 20:55.32 | BZFlag | might be nice to do a flush on player leave if scores are enabled. |
| 20:55.34 | Chestal | BZFlag: it uses default buffering. Problem is, when redirecting to a file or piping, this becomes block buffering then |
| 20:55.42 | Chestal | which is bad for loggign purposes |
| 20:55.51 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 20:56.02 | Chestal | we should have a real loggign at soem time, but for nor enforcing line buffering should be ok |
| 20:56.52 | Chestal | ok, commiting |
| 20:57.18 | Chestal | I must look into the /countdown stuff |
| 20:57.25 | Chestal | anythign else which should go into e8? |
| 20:57.31 | Chestal | world cache? |
| 20:57.53 | ak|ra | ok, by |
| 20:57.55 | ak|ra | all |
| 20:57.59 | Chestal | bye akira |
| 20:58.08 | Chestal | bzflag: what's the status of your rsizing attempts? |
| 20:59.32 | BZFlag | have not gotten back to looking at the viewport. I'm happy with radar/msg but input and flag help need work |
| 20:59.50 | BZFlag | needs to get finished before e8 |
| 21:00.15 | Chestal | yes, I'd like to check it out how it looks and performs when compard to old HUD |
| 21:00.28 | Chestal | what about the other changes in the patch akria and I did? |
| 21:01.12 | Chestal | the GUI switch is only part of it, there are also some new options to configure the look, translucency (which already is in, but only via config file now), radar colors etc. |
| 21:01.24 | BZFlag | any in particular? some are in there in other forms now like variable opacity |
| 21:01.39 | Chestal | yes, but opacity is config fiel onyl AFAIK which stinks IMHO |
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| 21:02.29 | Chestal | IMHO it woudl be best if we get that resizing finished first, so we can see how it works, than add the other optioms |
| 21:02.44 | BZFlag | additional menu config entries are welcome if they make things more usable at 256x192 resolution. |
| 21:03.04 | Chestal | I'm only interested in 800x600 resolution :-) |
| 21:03.44 | BZFlag | I'm interested in all supported resolutions. I can test 256x192 up to 1600x1200 |
| 21:04.12 | Chestal | well, I can test any resolution in a window |
| 21:04.17 | BZFlag | some work is needed for non 4:3 ratio displays. |
| 21:04.40 | BZFlag | radar get's squished or stretched at present. |
| 21:05.07 | BZFlag | I'd like the msg area to adapt and the radar to stay square. |
| 21:05.49 | Chestal | yes, radar needs to be square |
| 21:06.50 | BZFlag | problem is the displays that are not 4:3 resolution but are 4:3 actual. to them I say tough. ;-) I assume square pixels. |
| 21:07.15 | Chestal | hmm, good point,is there a generic way to query the real aspect ratio? |
| 21:07.15 | jzaun | Any way to make the radar round? |
| 21:07.25 | jzaun | I always liked that look better than square |
| 21:07.42 | Chestal | well, it could be clipped I assume |
| 21:07.45 | BZFlag | jzaun: bz never had it round, but it should be possible. |
| 21:07.59 | BZFlag | well, bzflag never did. "bz" did. ;-) |
| 21:08.12 | jzaun | BZFlag: I know BZF never has, but in other games... it just look more realistic to me |
| 21:08.30 | Chestal | the advanatge fo the square radar is that the square world fits in when aligned |
| 21:09.24 | jzaun | Chestal: true but still seeing into the corners doesn';t look right to me |
| 21:09.50 | BZFlag | round radar would be nice if performance did not suffer for it. |
| 21:09.58 | Chestal | but bz radar has infinite range anyway |
| 21:10.08 | Chestal | so it's just a question of what to display |
| 21:10.09 | jzaun | Chestal: unfortunatly |
| 21:10.14 | Patlabor221 | there are 16:9 displays with square pixels |
| 21:10.19 | Chestal | so a square radar seems more logical to me |
| 21:10.42 | Chestal | jzaun: well, without it, it woudl be a very different game, coudl be a future server option maybe |
| 21:11.03 | jzaun | Chestal: how would it make is very different? |
| 21:11.15 | jzaun | Chestal: just an added level od realisim |
| 21:11.33 | Chestal | jzaun: well, you wouldn't be able to see the whoel world at a glance, that sure ia a big change |
| 21:11.44 | Chestal | jzaun: if you want realism, just switch off the jumping :-) |
| 21:12.00 | scanline | how can I convert a point in the current matrix to a point in screencoordinates in OpenGL? |
| 21:12.04 | jzaun | Chestal: I would if ramps worked :-) |
| 21:12.57 | Patlabor221 | scanline: you can go into feedback mode |
| 21:13.10 | scanline | Patlabor221: I was afraid you were going to say that :( |
| 21:13.37 | Patlabor221 | scanline: yeah I would just grab the 2 mats and do it yourself. |
| 21:14.16 | Chestal | waah, already > 22:00, no more elevators |
| 21:14.25 | Chestal | and I want to fetch something from my car |
| 21:14.28 | scanline | ok, just wondering if there was an easy way.. I didn't see one, but I'm relatively new to OpenGL |
| 21:15.14 | Chestal | it would be very nice if someone would manage to add tank labels in the roaming mode, akira wanted to do it a long time ago, but I guess he'll never start |
| 21:16.01 | Doughecka | well cya round people |
| 21:16.09 | jzaun | heh... not that anyone cares or will do it just for me, but the 2 big things I would love to see are ramps and moving blocks |
| 21:16.11 | Doughecka | off to florida |
| 21:16.20 | Doughecka | jzaun: me too |
| 21:16.34 | Patlabor221 | ramps = large changes |
| 21:16.39 | Patlabor221 | to gameplay |
| 21:16.45 | Doughecka | moving blocks? |
| 21:16.46 | BZFlag | at some point I'd like to limit laser to radar range which would be 1.5 times normal shots (or so) |
| 21:16.56 | Doughecka | BZFlag: that would be cool |
| 21:17.33 | jzaun | Doughecka: yah, like elivators etc. a block would move between 2 points |
| 21:17.39 | BZFlag | then send player updates from outside the radar less frequently. |
| 21:17.42 | jzaun | back and forth at a set speed |
| 21:17.45 | Doughecka | slick |
| 21:17.51 | Patlabor221 | shoud be able to do a path |
| 21:17.54 | BZFlag | shots still need to be sent in case they hit teleporters etc. |
| 21:17.55 | Patlabor221 | not just points |
| 21:18.08 | Patlabor221 | tanks hit teleporters too |
| 21:19.01 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I would settly for 2 points.. a path would kick arse though |
| 21:19.33 | Patlabor221 | 2 points is still a path |
| 21:19.54 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: but once the tank goes through the telporter, a player update would happen. |
| 21:20.18 | Patlabor221 | geting the objects moving and all the colisions to work right |
| 21:20.32 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag: fair engouht. |
| 21:20.44 | BZFlag | jzaun was crushed by a moving building |
| 21:20.53 | jzaun | Patlabor221: how hard would it be to add moving blocks? |
| 21:20.59 | Patlabor221 | could you not also do an update when shots hit teleporters |
| 21:21.25 | Patlabor221 | jzaun, colisions would need to be worked out, and a decision on who controls them |
| 21:21.27 | Chestal | Pat: I think shot paths are calculated locally |
| 21:21.36 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: currently there are no shot updates for anything other than GM, but you are right it could be added. |
| 21:21.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are now |
| 21:22.02 | Patlabor221 | everything needs to be moved server side anyway |
| 21:22.23 | Chestal | IMHO teleportign shots must stay local, will look strange due to latency efects if not |
| 21:22.29 | jzaun | BZFlag: is v1_7 the current code (new stuff is being add there)? |
| 21:22.36 | Patlabor221 | I would have it do both |
| 21:22.43 | Chestal | I am not so sure that moving thigns to the server is always a good idea |
| 21:22.56 | Patlabor221 | let the client predict it, and have the server provide athoritive updates. |
| 21:23.12 | Patlabor221 | in most cases they difrence between them will be small |
| 21:23.34 | Patlabor221 | I woudl not totaly rely on the server for each freame |
| 21:23.41 | Chestal | before movign anythign to the server, the effects should be well thought about |
| 21:23.57 | Chestal | some thigns will probably get worse when doing so |
| 21:24.10 | jzaun | Chestal: one benifit to moving them to the server though is its harder to cheat (from the client side) |
| 21:24.21 | Chestal | jzaun: yes, harder, but still possible for soem cheats |
| 21:24.52 | Chestal | I wouldn't put too much effort into tryign to m,ake cheating impossible on the technicallevel, we already discussed that a logn time ago, you cannot defeat cheater by coding |
| 21:25.15 | Patlabor221 | you will never get rid of all cheating |
| 21:25.21 | Patlabor221 | you just need to make it not so easy |
| 21:25.27 | jzaun | Chestal: I agree, though makeing it harder for them to do so isn't a bad thing |
| 21:25.32 | Chestal | I'm still for the karma system |
| 21:25.47 | Patlabor221 | and make the cheats that they can do, no so impactive as say "Kill everyone" |
| 21:26.52 | Chestal | the speed of light just isn't high enough |
| 21:27.04 | Chestal | we need faster communicatin for world-wide, fast-paced online gaming |
| 21:27.17 | Chestal | a factor of 10 would be enough |
| 21:27.31 | Chestal | or everyone must move to Europe :-) |
| 21:27.56 | Patlabor221 | they've sent signals faster then C too |
| 21:29.14 | Chestal | I am not sure these experiments were for real, I think there's still no consent |
| 21:29.32 | Chestal | but obviously, there's still a lot in physics which is not understood |
| 21:29.37 | Patlabor221 | they were for real |
| 21:29.42 | Patlabor221 | and have been repeated |
| 21:29.54 | Chestal | although some peopel want to make one believe that they're sooo close to know everything |
| 21:30.02 | Patlabor221 | now the signal they get out the other side is complete crap |
| 21:30.31 | Patlabor221 | they sent a wave though a cable of difrent materials |
| 21:30.38 | Patlabor221 | it's like a wave in water |
| 21:30.43 | Patlabor221 | the wave moves fast |
| 21:30.53 | Chestal | yes,I think I rememebr that only the group speed (or whatever it is called) was greater than c |
| 21:30.56 | Patlabor221 | but each individual water molecule only moves a litte |
| 21:31.01 | Chestal | but you cannot transmit any information with it |
| 21:31.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:31.06 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 21:31.09 | Patlabor221 | they are trying |
| 21:31.21 | Chestal | to me it sounded more like a trick |
| 21:31.30 | Patlabor221 | it could be |
| 21:31.40 | Patlabor221 | or it could turn out to be something |
| 21:31.44 | Patlabor221 | only time will tell |
| 21:32.01 | Patlabor221 | I think it's an idea that bears more research. |
| 21:32.57 | Chestal | I once was very interested in physics, might even have studied it |
| 21:33.03 | Chestal | but I guess it would just frustrate me nowadays |
| 21:34.09 | BZFlag | jzaun: yes. until I fight with CVS and move v1_7 to HEAD. |
| 21:34.47 | jzaun | BZFlag: just making sure :-) |
| 21:35.17 | jzaun | BZFlag: So 1.8 code will be compleatly scrapped? |
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| 21:35.36 | Patlabor221 | moved |
| 21:35.40 | BZFlag | left in CVS, to pick away at, then have 1.7 added on top. |
| 21:36.08 | jzaun | Cool |
| 21:36.20 | BZFlag | I'll make sure the latest 1.8 has a tag before I do the 1.7 move so that folks can still get that one. |
| 21:40.26 | jzaun | speaking of wich |
| 21:41.03 | jzaun | it would be cool if when a tank goes threw a teleporter, a ghost - like PH, would be seen flying in an arc to the other end of the link :-) |
| 21:41.09 | BZFlag | jzaun: just define a teleporter in your world file. ;-) like between home and the office. |
| 21:41.18 | jzaun | rather than an instant transfer |
| 21:41.27 | Patlabor221 | and DON"T screw up the link |
| 21:41.37 | jzaun | BZFlag: if only it was that simple |
| 21:41.54 | Patlabor221 | you need BZEdit Reality edition. |
| 21:41.56 | BZFlag | or scramble the bits and send them across the ceiling a la willie wonka? |
| 21:42.19 | jzaun | BZFlag: that would be a cool effect for the game :-) |
| 21:43.12 | Patlabor221 | if you do that, then I want to do my ANime style "energy bulge" when the lazer is fired |
| 21:44.55 | jzaun | Patlabor221: do it :-) |
| 21:45.17 | Patlabor221 | I am going to test it when BZEdit is working again |
| 21:46.07 | Patlabor221 | I'd also like to test a "RType" lazer |
| 21:46.10 | Patlabor221 | where you charge it up |
| 21:46.35 | Patlabor221 | more charge more distance |
| 21:46.41 | jzaun | in all hoensty... I would be happy with moving blocks right now :-) |
| 21:46.54 | Patlabor221 | without 3d colisions that will be hard |
| 21:47.11 | jzaun | Patlabor221: so code up the 3D collisions :-) |
| 21:47.17 | Patlabor221 | that and making tanks "stick" to them |
| 21:47.24 | jzaun | PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:47.38 | Patlabor221 | well that changes physics then |
| 21:47.46 | Patlabor221 | and that can change gameplay |
| 21:47.59 | Patlabor221 | how "3D" do you want the physics? |
| 21:48.14 | Patlabor221 | making a tank tilt, screws up all kinds of things |
| 21:48.21 | jzaun | alot, or just for the tank? would it fix the falling threw blocks and the jumping threw blocks to shoot tanks above you? |
| 21:48.38 | Patlabor221 | it all depends on it's implemenation |
| 21:48.56 | jzaun | It would be nice to fix them bugs |
| 21:49.06 | Patlabor221 | and 3d physics have the tencency to be "sticky" |
| 21:49.14 | Patlabor221 | look at P2501 |
| 21:49.24 | Patlabor221 | he does arbitrary collisions |
| 21:49.31 | Patlabor221 | and you get stuck on stuff you can't see ALL the time |
| 21:49.44 | Patlabor221 | sucks cus you can't look behind you |
| 21:49.48 | Patlabor221 | and see what you are hitting |
| 21:50.12 | jzaun | You can figure it out... your a good programmer and a smart guy :-) |
| 21:50.31 | jzaun | I'de even give ya a buck if you do :-) |
| 21:50.33 | Patlabor221 | why do people allways tell me I'm smart when they want something :) |
| 21:50.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh one whole $ |
| 21:50.56 | jzaun | well... I can go as high as a 1.50 |
| 21:51.09 | jzaun | then I'm broak for the month |
| 21:51.45 | Patlabor221 | well I'd want to make changes to the map formate before doing stuff like that |
| 21:52.06 | Patlabor221 | and before making changes to the map format, cleaning up the world database |
| 21:52.17 | jzaun | okok... 5 bucks.. I'll barrow it from a friend |
| 21:52.44 | Patlabor221 | that's a tad below my usual rate |
| 21:53.04 | jzaun | I'll ship you a beer in the mail |
| 21:53.05 | Patlabor221 | unless it can be done in 6 min. |
| 21:53.52 | jzaun | well your a smart guy... you can do it in 6 min. |
| 21:54.29 | Patlabor221 | is that even fast? |
| 21:54.43 | scanline | pretty fast, yeah |
| 21:54.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah it was glPutPixels that's slow |
| 21:55.05 | scanline | NVidia at least seems to have made a good point of optimizing it |
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| 21:59.59 | Skipp | ibot:seen quol |
| 22:00.03 | | i haven't seen 'quol', Skipp |
| 22:01.00 | scanline | hehe, this is a funky effect |
| 22:01.07 | Patlabor221 | hmm friday night trafic, prialby should make 2 CDs |
| 22:02.13 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/pixelated_cube.png |
| 22:02.28 | jzaun | hows http://stats.bzflag.org/dispmap.php?mapid=157 look? |
| 22:03.51 | Patlabor221 | oooooo blurryness |
| 22:04.25 | Patlabor221 | jzaun the map or the page? |
| 22:04.34 | jzaun | page |
| 22:04.53 | scanline | that's dividing the area to be blurred into 256x256 tiles, using GL_GENERATE_MIPMAP_SGIS to generate mipmaps in hardware, then texturing quads with a lower res mipmap |
| 22:05.05 | Patlabor221 | looks good, only thing I'd do is move the "default flags" text up closer to the HR |
| 22:05.47 | jzaun | like so? |
| 22:06.07 | Patlabor221 | little more |
| 22:06.20 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/chunky_hardware_blur.png |
| 22:06.27 | scanline | oops |
| 22:06.36 | scanline | got another window in that screenshot |
| 22:06.38 | Patlabor221 | oyu have a certan spacing between all the default options, I'd keep that spacing on all items |
| 22:06.47 | Chestal | I wonder why most peopel just do not seemto read what others are saying |
| 22:06.52 | Chestal | when playing bzflag |
| 22:07.08 | Patlabor221 | scanline: got some funk on the right side there |
| 22:07.32 | scanline | yeah, the border between tiles isn't being blended smoothly |
| 22:07.36 | Patlabor221 | Chestal: Eye naturaly moved down not up |
| 22:07.50 | scanline | though using just one mipmap makes it look chunky-crispy-ugly |
| 22:07.51 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 22:08.17 | Patlabor221 | I remember a study where they found out what ways the human eye move naturaly |
| 22:08.33 | Patlabor221 | people notice things below there eyeline more then above |
| 22:08.40 | Chestal | all players should check what is typed now and then |
| 22:08.47 | Chestal | it's wasy to spot, too |
| 22:08.51 | Chestal | easy, even |
| 22:08.54 | Patlabor221 | sometimes you forget, in the "heat" of battle |
| 22:09.05 | Chestal | yes, but some people seemto never read it |
| 22:09.24 | Chestal | nor do they talk when you address them directly repeatedly |
| 22:09.30 | Patlabor221 | maybe they are all just asses then |
| 22:09.34 | jzaun | Patlabor221: unfortunatly, HR adds a space below it, and the table ads some space... not sure If I can remove it |
| 22:09.49 | Chestal | Pat: that's what I'm thinking :-) |
| 22:09.56 | Patlabor221 | jzaun: well it's close enough now |
| 22:10.15 | Patlabor221 | and it's not like it's that important |
| 22:10.44 | jzaun | Other than that it looks ok? |
| 22:10.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:11.16 | Patlabor221 | be nice to see the map stats but it works as it is. |
| 22:11.40 | scanline | ooh, feedback |
| 22:12.24 | jzaun | Patlabor221, scanline thats on the list |
| 22:12.33 | scanline | eH? |
| 22:12.56 | jzaun | feedback... for the authors about the maps |
| 22:13.06 | scanline | oh.. I'm talking about texture feedback :P |
| 22:13.38 | jzaun | sry |
| 22:15.27 | Patlabor221 | but yes comments about the map may be a good idea |
| 22:15.37 | Patlabor221 | as well as a rating system |
| 22:17.13 | Patlabor221 | well I gotta get outa here, got a 2.5 hour drive tonight |
| 22:17.30 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Catch ya later |
| 22:17.36 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Drive safe |
| 22:17.42 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
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| 22:35.38 | jzaun | ranking a map, hows this? new-rank = old-rank [+|-] 2 / 2 |
| 22:35.52 | jzaun | er.. |
| 22:36.02 | jzaun | new-rank = (old-rank [+|-] 2) / 2 |
| 22:38.39 | jzaun | anyone? |
| 22:38.45 | Chestal | I don't get it |
| 22:40.13 | jzaun | voteing on maps... voteing up would result in new_rank = (old_rank + 2) / 2 |
| 22:40.42 | jzaun | keeping the adverage rank |
| 22:41.27 | jzaun | starting rank = 0 |
| 22:42.39 | Chestal | so, your idea is to order the maps from most to least popular? |
| 22:43.15 | jzaun | well I'de like to have an open ending rank system |
| 22:43.15 | Chestal | is new_rank somethign like a score or the orderign number? I still don;t see how your formula makes sense for either |
| 22:44.13 | jzaun | Chestal: I could just add 1 or subtract 1 and let the number be |
| 22:45.29 | jzaun | so just rank++ or rank-- and let the nuber get as big or small as it get |
| 22:46.01 | Chestal | ok, and sort maps by this number? |
| 22:46.06 | Chestal | high number=good, low number=bad? |
| 22:46.06 | jzaun | yes |
| 22:46.15 | jzaun | yes |
| 22:46.58 | Chestal | I understand this, it's simple. Only problem might be that maps with only few votes will of course not have a very meaningful ranking |
| 22:47.16 | jzaun | so what would you suggest? |
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| 22:47.58 | Chestal | jzaun: I'm not sure. The other simple emthod would be to give a rating to a map, say from 1 to 10 and you just caluclate the average or something |
| 22:48.02 | Chestal | don;t know what's the best way |
| 22:48.06 | jzaun | new maps start at 0 if that matters |
| 22:48.09 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 22:48.17 | MrApathyCream | heya Chestal |
| 22:49.27 | jzaun | hey mac |
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| 23:06.24 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: are there unix c functions for iterating a directory, or does one do that thru shell commands |
| 23:09.41 | MrApathyCream | hmm, scandir? |
| 23:12.15 | MrApathyCream | struct direct **files; |
| 23:12.15 | MrApathyCream | count = scandir(pathname, &files, NULL, NULL); |
| 23:12.15 | MrApathyCream | How does files get freed? |
| 23:12.23 | MrApathyCream | anyone? |
| 23:14.13 | MrApathyCream | ~ibot, fishslap everyone |
| 23:14.14 | | MrApathyCream: wish i knew |
| 23:14.48 | BZFlag | ~fishslap $who is <action> slaps $who up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:14.49 | | okay, BZFlag |
| 23:14.57 | BZFlag | ~fishslap MrApathyCream |
| 23:14.58 | | ACTION slaps MrApathyCream up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 23:44.15 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: If i were to install a *nix for the purposes of dev-ing BZFlag, would i install debian? or.... |
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| 23:48.42 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 23:48.42 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 23:48.44 | bzbot | asdf (R): 8 (68-60). Ches 5mins (G): 37 (129-92). Alchwarisi (R): -9 (17-26). iluxa [ProXS] (G): -2 (8-10). bzgirl (G): 65 (224-159). Sjeft (R): 0 (0-0). duke (G): -12 (69-81). luser (R): -1 (25-26). |
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