| 00:02.42 | captain_proton | cc++ seems an attractive option for that |
| 00:03.38 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:04.04 | scanline | you could have python code in a separate process or a separate thread running the UI :) |
| 00:04.25 | captain_proton | might as well just do all the game logic in python :) |
| 00:05.16 | scanline | that would be neat too |
| 00:05.42 | scanline | python has all these really spiffy features that I'd miss in C++ |
| 00:05.52 | scanline | not to mention that it already has a picogui client library... |
| 00:08.39 | scanline | what did you have in mind to scare the people at gamedev? |
| 00:09.01 | captain_proton | well i was hoping to have a ship flying that could fire bullets (flat world), + UI stuff |
| 00:09.18 | scanline | how much of that can jetstream already handle? |
| 00:10.10 | captain_proton | right now it does menus (sorta) and sound |
| 00:10.19 | captain_proton | =} |
| 00:10.31 | scanline | Currently I'm thinking the best way to organize things would be to have one thread that handles rendering, (in c++ and c) and another thread in python that does game logic and UI |
| 00:10.48 | captain_proton | sounds good |
| 00:11.00 | captain_proton | perhaps wrap the SDL_Thread stuff in another layer? |
| 00:11.09 | captain_proton | or just use cc++ |
| 00:11.09 | scanline | the UI code in the python thread would connect to the other thread just like picogui clients normally connect. (at first we'd use TCP/IP, that could be easily fixed later to use pipes) |
| 00:11.24 | captain_proton | mebbe a unix domain socket |
| 00:11.30 | Patlabor221 | bahh that todo list is crap |
| 00:11.39 | scanline | normal python embedding stuff could be used to communicate between the rendering code and the python game logic |
| 00:12.09 | scanline | that way the python code stays simple and stays out of the main loop where speed will matter the most |
| 00:13.09 | scanline | captain_proton: that would work too.. a pipe would ensure that only the python thread could connect to the picogui server. A domain socket could allow other processes on the same machine to connect, not sure if that's a good thing |
| 00:13.29 | captain_proton | its open source, why not! |
| 00:14.12 | scanline | hmm.. that'd be kinda neat if someone wrote an add-on utility or something and it could display as part of the game UI just by connecting to the game's picogui server |
| 00:15.26 | scanline | using python for the game logic also means it would be easy for it to load XML widget templates if necessary |
| 00:15.56 | scanline | and you could save the game state by pickling python objects =) |
| 00:16.23 | captain_proton | pickling? |
| 00:16.43 | scanline | pickle is a module that lets you serialize any python object |
| 00:17.27 | MrApathyCream | you save cucumbers by pickling them |
| 00:17.57 | captain_proton | thank you MrApathyCream |
| 00:18.07 | scanline | http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-pickle.html |
| 00:18.14 | MrApathyCream | i'm the master of the obvious... no problem |
| 00:18.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:18.40 | captain_proton | i need some method for switching input devices |
| 00:18.44 | scanline | import cucumber, pickle |
| 00:18.56 | scanline | s = pickle.dumps(cucumber()) |
| 00:21.36 | scanline | captain_proton: a big red button |
| 00:24.26 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:24.55 | scanline | captain_proton: do them gamedev folks have a linux machine we can scare them with, or do I have to have some quality time with the Win32 API? |
| 00:25.07 | captain_proton | scanline: i have no idea |
| 00:25.16 | scanline | that's a bad sign |
| 00:26.12 | scanline | no MFC |
| 00:26.24 | sussudio | vbrun300.dll then |
| 00:26.39 | scanline | I just need really basic stuff... timers, shared memory segments, sockets, and some OpenGL |
| 00:26.48 | scanline | oh heck.. maybe I should just make an OS layer that uses SDL |
| 00:29.50 | captain_proton | scanline: you can write a bot for L33TWAR! |
| 00:30.02 | scanline | wazzat? |
| 00:30.15 | captain_proton | one of the gamedev clubs mighty creations |
| 00:30.26 | scanline | ah.. this is what google reveals as well |
| 00:31.25 | captain_proton | scanline: and you can learn how to rasterize lines! |
| 00:31.36 | scanline | oh boy! |
| 00:32.48 | scanline | got a stand-in model for the hero's starfighter? :) |
| 00:33.44 | captain_proton | scanline: i don't have access to the gamedev server, its maintained by the club |
| 00:33.53 | captain_proton | 'tis a sparc 5 :) |
| 00:35.18 | scanline | I could bring my laptop for demoing, but it doesn't have the greatest 3D accelerator |
| 00:35.42 | captain_proton | lets take yoshi |
| 00:35.55 | captain_proton | ;)\ |
| 00:36.05 | scanline | that works for me |
| 00:36.30 | scanline | hmm.... |
| 00:36.43 | scanline | synchronize the case mod lights with the game soundtrack =) |
| 00:37.36 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 00:37.53 | scanline | hmm.. I gotta get around to making a python module for my case now that I know how to do it |
| 00:37.58 | captain_proton | mr. voyage of the mimi himself has been named "sexiest man alive" |
| 00:38.52 | captain_proton | ohhhhh no |
| 00:39.02 | captain_proton | voyage of the mimi = scary |
| 00:39.23 | scanline | hehe |
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| 00:40.35 | scanline | The lack of working fonts in the OpenGL-embedded-pgserver thing is sort of a showstopper... |
| 00:41.13 | scanline | I could get the existing freetype engine to work with OpenGL, but that would mean downloading the texture for each glyph right before rendering, or some sort of caching which likely won't be very good |
| 00:41.39 | scanline | Or.. I could mash my old texture and SDL_ttf renderer into a new-style font engine |
| 00:42.00 | scanline | the texture renderer is fast, but doesn't do any font hinting |
| 00:42.10 | scanline | so fonts at small sizes will look blurry |
| 00:42.11 | captain_proton | can't you just download the string to texture and leave it in video memory? |
| 00:42.50 | scanline | better to do it per-glyph... pack as many glyphs as possible into a square texture |
| 00:43.05 | captain_proton | troo |
| 00:43.19 | scanline | the optimal way to do it would be to render the font at multiple sizes, so you get hinting at a few particular small sizes, but larger sizes can be smoothly scaled |
| 00:43.43 | mhall | I wanted to say that my previous videomode problems in windows bzflag 1.7e5 have gone away |
| 00:43.51 | mhall | so whatever changed should stay changed ;-) |
| 00:45.52 | scanline | hmm.... |
| 00:46.19 | scanline | it would be cool to have a system that would cache fonts as textures, using only some specified amount of video memory |
| 00:46.46 | scanline | that way you wouldn't have to trade off number of font styles vs video memory at initialization |
| 00:47.11 | scanline | captain_proton: he's interested, but wants to finish the problem he's on |
| 00:52.42 | sussudio | mhall ; why are you running 1.7e5? |
| 00:54.22 | mhall | sussudio: It's what I found on bzflag.sf.net |
| 00:54.32 | sussudio | use 1.7e6 |
| 00:55.34 | mhall | sussudio: hmm that's what i meant to write |
| 00:55.48 | mhall | sussudio: i wasn't paying attention and typed the wrong thing |
| 00:56.09 | mhall | sussudio: i meant to say e6 fixed some problems I had with the older windows mode detection code. |
| 00:57.01 | captain_proton | scanline: how long till safeway? |
| 00:57.34 | scanline | captain_proton: "like a couple minutes" according to my roommate.... |
| 00:57.41 | captain_proton | hmm |
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| 01:46.43 | scanline | muffin! |
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| 01:51.00 | captain_proton | miffin |
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| 02:23.32 | bomber_ | moin moin |
| 02:23.48 | scanline | wiki wiki |
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| 02:41.19 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.19 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.40 | captain_proton | geez, i think i'm too tired |
| 02:41.50 | captain_proton | i just almost mistook my deodorant for my waterbottle |
| 02:41.57 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:41.57 | captain_proton | BAD situation narrowly avoided |
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| 02:50.54 | bomber_ | moin akira :o) |
| 02:51.51 | captain_proton | sleeeeeep |
| 02:53.35 | ak|ra | hello |
| 03:16.36 | bomber_ | Pinguin? |
| 03:17.22 | ak|ra | ich mach grade den rechner fertig, an dem alles haengt :) |
| 03:17.47 | bomber_ | und wie sieht es aus ? :o)) |
| 03:17.52 | ak|ra | geht voran |
| 03:17.54 | bomber_ | ist da Hoffnung |
| 03:18.00 | ak|ra | es ist immer hoffnung |
| 03:18.05 | bomber_ | :o))) |
| 03:20.28 | ak|ra | what code? |
| 03:22.09 | bomber_ | my simulation code :o)) for particle accelerators |
| 03:22.29 | bomber_ | with vector multiplication |
| 03:22.33 | bomber_ | :o)) |
| 03:22.39 | ak|ra | wowo |
| 03:24.19 | bomber_ | with OpenGl graphics :o)) |
| 03:25.29 | ak|ra | wowoowowowowww :) |
| 03:37.49 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 03:59.54 | scanline | hmm.. I think every font engine I write eventually goes through a phase where it displays all the characters on top of each other |
| 04:04.04 | ak|ra | bomber_: |
| 04:04.09 | ak|ra | gruenes licht |
| 04:05.06 | ak|ra | Pinguin: gruenes licht teil 2 |
| 04:09.24 | bomber_ | akira? |
| 04:09.40 | bomber_ | sollen wir uns freuen ? |
| 04:09.48 | bomber_ | #/me grins |
| 04:09.56 | bomber_ | :o)) |
| 04:10.02 | ak|ra | ja |
| 04:10.09 | ak|ra | du kriegst den mit 48 ram |
| 04:10.11 | ak|ra | p150 |
| 04:10.14 | ak|ra | 1.2gig |
| 04:10.24 | ak|ra | 2xpci 2xisa |
| 04:10.32 | ak|ra | 1mb vga s3 virge kram |
| 04:10.37 | bomber_ | champagne |
| 04:11.14 | ak|ra | und fuer pingus mp3 player bau ich gleich unseren router um |
| 04:11.47 | ak|ra | also ich nehm selbstlos den 496er dx2 66 .. wenns einer ist .. und er kriegt dann nen p135 mit 32 mbram |
| 04:12.34 | ak|ra | und auch 1.2 gig |
| 04:12.47 | ak|ra | ist das jetzt ok fuer euch? |
| 04:13.06 | Pinguin | back ... |
| 04:13.07 | bomber_ | ok |
| 04:13.07 | ak|ra | sobald ich das packet meinem spezialzustelle uebergeben habe ist es 1 tag spaeter bei euch |
| 04:13.13 | ak|ra | aber heute wirds nix mehr |
| 04:13.25 | bomber_ | also montag |
| 04:13.28 | Pinguin | oha ... prima ... |
| 04:13.40 | ak|ra | bomber_: ich schaetze schon |
| 04:14.47 | bomber_ | :o))) |
| 04:14.54 | Pinguin | :o))) |
| 04:15.26 | ak|ra | sind richtig schoene alte rechner |
| 04:15.39 | ak|ra | also FETT leise weil small client gedacht |
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| 04:15.52 | ak|ra | sehen ein bisschen staubig aus aber ansonsten ist alle tip |
| 04:15.55 | Pinguin | mein auto ist eh laut :-) |
| 04:16.10 | Pinguin | ich habe pressluft zum ausblasen ... |
| 04:16.58 | ak|ra | tss |
| 04:17.10 | Pinguin | HELP: how to make xchat beep when a name occoured in the chat??? |
| 04:18.55 | ak|ra | bomber_: bei deinem rechner ist die zuklappe nicht wirklich zumachbar -> mir fehlt die schraube |
| 04:18.57 | ak|ra | schlimm? |
| 04:19.04 | bomber_ | noe |
| 04:19.16 | ak|ra | usb sagte ich ja schonoder? :) |
| 04:19.34 | ak|ra | so, deiner steht jetzt in der ecke |
| 04:19.41 | ak|ra | jetzt zum 2. teil |
| 04:28.20 | ak|ra | pinguin .. da? |
| 04:28.29 | ak|ra | Pinguin: so da? |
| 04:43.24 | Pinguin | ja ... |
| 04:43.39 | ak|ra | ok |
| 04:43.39 | Pinguin | was wie wo? |
| 04:43.45 | ak|ra | folgende tatsache: |
| 04:44.06 | Pinguin | ? |
| 04:44.24 | ak|ra | bei unserem-jetzt-router-deinem-potentiellen-mp3player ist der floppyauswurfknopf nicht mehr von "aussen" funktionabel |
| 04:44.51 | ak|ra | dh. um die floppy rauszukriegen -> klick klack auf knoeppe drucken, huelle ab ... ok |
| 04:45.04 | ak|ra | dann test ich jezt unserenpotentiellennachfolgerouter auf tauglichkeit |
| 04:45.15 | ak|ra | wenners besteht schick ich die dinger noch heute auf reise |
| 04:45.18 | ak|ra | ok? |
| 04:45.23 | Pinguin | prima prima prima |
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| 04:50.45 | sussudio | -|- (Die_Fantastischen_Vier)_[01]_Die_Da_(Radio_-_Mix).mp3 (5,191,680 bytes 189kbps VBR Joint Stereo 3mins 40secs Genre:Rap Year:1992 Album:Die Da !?! (CD Single) |
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| 05:23.25 | MIRELLA | hi there |
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| 05:31.09 | ak|ra | hello |
| 05:31.14 | ak|ra | Pinguin: da? |
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| 05:35.53 | ak|ra | Pinguin: aktueller stand ... noch ein anderer rechner |
| 05:35.58 | Pinguin | ? |
| 05:36.07 | ak|ra | hab da schon den p130 eingebaut .. muss nur noch kucken ob geht |
| 05:36.41 | ak|ra | be unserem ex-router-jetzt-wiederrouter hat ich vergessen, dass ich auch keinerlei befestignungsmoeglichkeiten fuer festplatte mehr hatte |
| 05:36.59 | ak|ra | somit hab ich da jetzt den p75 aus dem eingebaut, der deiner werden soll |
| 05:37.19 | ak|ra | muss jetzt nur noch das manual vom board finden, wo man das einstellen kann |
| 05:37.27 | Pinguin | Brauche ich nicht ... ich brauche ja auch kein Gehäuse ... |
| 05:37.59 | ak|ra | du brauchst im prinzip nur das board? |
| 05:38.16 | Pinguin | ein lauffähiges! board ... prozesso bischen speicher ... |
| 05:38.27 | ak|ra | ok, dann kriegste den ex router :) |
| 05:38.31 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 05:38.33 | ak|ra | mh |
| 05:38.35 | ak|ra | warte |
| 05:38.39 | ak|ra | denke denke |
| 05:38.43 | Pinguin | möglicherweise och das Netztwil ... |
| 05:38.47 | ak|ra | das sind so integrierte boards |
| 05:38.51 | Pinguin | ? |
| 05:38.54 | ak|ra | also so mit fix klick klack raus |
| 05:39.03 | ak|ra | keine tower / midi tower |
| 05:39.07 | ak|ra | sonder flache kisten |
| 05:39.10 | Pinguin | klick klack auf zack ... |
| 05:39.27 | Pinguin | flache kisten? Hört sich interressant an weil: |
| 05:39.30 | ak|ra | pci / und isa slots gehen ueber sonen senkrechten spezialslot rein |
| 05:39.54 | Pinguin | dann kann ich karten einstecken die nicht senkrecht stehen ... => weniger platz wegnehmen ... |
| 05:40.01 | Pinguin | prima! |
| 05:40.18 | ak|ra | also bauhoehe vom exrouter ist |
| 05:40.22 | Pinguin | Denn da muss ja noch eine Soundkarte rein ... passt mir besser so! |
| 05:40.44 | Pinguin | klein ist fein |
| 05:40.53 | ak|ra | weniger als ein vereinsbank kugelsschreiber |
| 05:41.05 | sussudio | klein konijn |
| 05:41.24 | Pinguin | ibot konijn? |
| 05:41.43 | sussudio | BUNNY! |
| 05:41.46 | ak|ra | also ich sag dir nochmal was das genau ist: flaches desktop gehaeuse, floppy und 1 einschub fuer cd |
| 05:41.59 | Pinguin | Super! |
| 05:42.03 | ak|ra | da, wo mal die hdd eingebaut war ist jetzt FETT platz |
| 05:42.14 | Pinguin | OK |
| 05:42.18 | ak|ra | flaechenmaessig ca 2 cds |
| 05:42.30 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 05:42.40 | ak|ra | ist das jetzt ok fuer dich` |
| 05:42.41 | ak|ra | ? |
| 05:42.55 | Pinguin | Ist prima ... |
| 05:43.07 | ak|ra | fantastisch, dann bau ich das jetzt wieder um :) |
| 05:43.14 | Pinguin | :-( |
| 05:43.39 | ak|ra | ? |
| 05:44.12 | ak|ra | warum biste traurig? |
| 05:44.14 | Pinguin | so viel arbeit ... was steht denn momentan zur Verfügung ... |
| 05:44.24 | ak|ra | is ok, bis gleich :) |
| 05:44.27 | Pinguin | ich bin recht anspruchslos ... |
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| 06:05.05 | ak|ra | re |
| 06:05.18 | ak|ra | ok, pingu .. kann losgehen .. brauchst du noch ne festplatte? |
| 06:14.27 | ak|ra | Pinguin: aufwachen |
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| 06:36.31 | rooter | hello all |
| 06:36.56 | ak|ra | hei |
| 06:36.59 | ak|ra | Pinguin: buh |
| 06:37.02 | ak|ra | Pinguin: buh |
| 06:37.02 | ak|ra | Pinguin: buh |
| 06:37.02 | ak|ra | Pinguin: buh |
| 06:37.08 | ak|ra | Pinguin: wach auf |
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| 06:46.47 | ak|ra | Pinguin: platte oder nich? |
| 06:47.01 | ak|ra | weil ich bin jetzt fertig und will die heute noch lossschikcken |
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| 06:54.48 | rooter | is this mainly a German speaking channel? |
| 06:55.18 | dutchrai | should be english |
| 06:55.33 | dutchrai | not dutch unfortunately :-) |
| 06:56.02 | rooter | :) can't please everyone i guess |
| 06:56.12 | dutchrai | nope... |
| 06:56.30 | dutchrai | were there some germans just now then? |
| 06:56.35 | dutchrai | i just logged on |
| 06:56.59 | rooter | yep... <ak|ra> is speaking some German |
| 06:57.05 | rooter | and I know Chestal is German |
| 06:57.14 | dutchrai | yeah..got a few |
| 06:57.21 | ak|ra | and pingu |
| 06:57.23 | ak|ra | and bomber |
| 06:57.27 | ak|ra | and lupi |
| 06:57.28 | dutchrai | so many! |
| 06:57.29 | ak|ra | and tankman |
| 06:57.32 | ak|ra | and all moles :) |
| 06:57.32 | rooter | bomber isn't on |
| 06:57.35 | dutchrai | its not an invasion is it? |
| 06:57.37 | rooter | and prodan |
| 06:58.33 | rooter | :) since I'm addicted to ducati and it's a German server... sometimes it seems like an invasion |
| 06:58.45 | dutchrai | hehe..lol..like the server though |
| 06:59.57 | rooter | me too. i'm thinking of starting a US clone |
| 07:00.03 | dutchrai | cool |
| 07:00.09 | Doughecka | das ist cool |
| 07:00.15 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 07:00.16 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 07:00.21 | dutchrai | wish I could steadily run a server...but got WinXP and BZFS buggy |
| 07:00.51 | sussudio | schweinhund |
| 07:00.54 | rooter | i would run it on either a redhat or a solaris box |
| 07:00.54 | dutchrai | Das ist nicht slecht |
| 07:01.01 | dutchrai | yeah.me too |
| 07:01.25 | Doughecka | sausage doggy |
| 07:01.27 | dutchrai | Wish they fixed the BZFS bug under Win though, then 2/3 of all BZFlag players could run servers too |
| 07:01.39 | Doughecka | what bug? |
| 07:01.40 | dutchrai | It's funny, Linux only 1/3 community, but THAT server works |
| 07:01.41 | rooter | not enough players |
| 07:01.52 | dutchrai | The bug that after a while, all players go NR |
| 07:01.58 | rooter | Linux is a better platform for serving |
| 07:01.59 | sussudio | win schmin |
| 07:02.00 | dutchrai | Its a reported one |
| 07:02.06 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 07:02.09 | sussudio | i can run bzfs on a 486 with deb |
| 07:02.43 | Doughecka | ~lart 486's |
| 07:02.55 | dutchrai | ~lart Dough |
| 07:02.57 | sussudio | stfu doug |
| 07:03.10 | Doughecka | RTFM |
| 07:03.25 | dutchrai | Read The ****** Manual? |
| 07:03.29 | rooter | yep |
| 07:03.32 | dutchrai | No manual with Win version |
| 07:03.37 | dutchrai | Duh |
| 07:03.38 | rooter | @#$% nerds :) |
| 07:03.42 | sussudio | paardelul |
| 07:03.47 | dutchrai | Hey! |
| 07:03.52 | Doughecka | ~x en de pig |
| 07:03.52 | dutchrai | Mag niet vloeken |
| 07:04.24 | Doughecka | bloody game, impossible to download it |
| 07:04.30 | dutchrai | Which one? |
| 07:04.37 | Doughecka | Continuum |
| 07:04.42 | dutchrai | Mmm... |
| 07:04.50 | dutchrai | Please try again later |
| 07:04.52 | Doughecka | ever seen wulfram? |
| 07:04.54 | Doughecka | lol |
| 07:04.55 | dutchrai | lol |
| 07:04.57 | dutchrai | Seen it |
| 07:05.00 | Doughecka | http://www.wulfram.com |
| 07:05.03 | Doughecka | its VERY fun |
| 07:05.06 | rooter | http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/references.htm |
| 07:05.18 | Doughecka | like bzflag on steroids |
| 07:05.21 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 07:05.26 | dutchrai | Yup, its all in there |
| 07:05.30 | dutchrai | I wrote it |
| 07:05.35 | Doughecka | slick |
| 07:05.39 | Doughecka | ever play much? |
| 07:05.46 | dutchrai | Nah..no time |
| 07:05.50 | Doughecka | ah |
| 07:05.55 | dutchrai | Too busy :-( |
| 07:06.02 | Doughecka | heh |
| 07:06.08 | dutchrai | with bzflag |
| 07:06.11 | dutchrai | :-D |
| 07:06.20 | Doughecka | lol |
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| 07:07.09 | dutchrai | Hey..wulfram II by now |
| 07:07.12 | chsh[] | ibot MrApathyCream |
| 07:07.13 | | a big fat guy, old enough to know better than to stay up all night and play BZFlag, but does anyway. |
| 07:07.15 | Doughecka | ? |
| 07:07.29 | dutchrai | ~lart Apathy |
| 07:07.29 | Doughecka | wow, lots of info |
| 07:07.37 | sussudio | ibot fruitsmite $1 is <action> smites $1 with (a couple of|a dozen|a wagonload of|a pair of) (oranges|apples|pineapples|pears|kiwis|mangos|bananas|lemons|nectarines) |
| 07:07.38 | | okay, sussudio |
| 07:07.44 | Doughecka | oh, its for bzflag |
| 07:07.47 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite doug |
| 07:07.48 | | ACTION smites doug with a dozen mangos |
| 07:07.48 | chsh[] | lol |
| 07:07.49 | dutchrai | hehe.. |
| 07:08.01 | Doughecka | ~fruitsmite sussudio |
| 07:08.02 | | ACTION smites sussudio with a dozen lemons |
| 07:08.04 | chsh[] | ~fruitsmite Doughecka |
| 07:08.04 | | ACTION smites Doughecka with a wagonload of pears |
| 07:08.07 | Doughecka | cool |
| 07:08.10 | dutchrai | flame wars.. |
| 07:08.14 | dutchrai | bot wars.. |
| 07:08.25 | Doughecka | dutchrai: its for wulfram AND bzflag? |
| 07:08.29 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite ak|ra |
| 07:08.29 | | ACTION smites ak|ra with a pair of kiwis |
| 07:08.39 | dutchrai | no, bzflag only |
| 07:08.44 | chsh[] | ~fruitsmite sussudio |
| 07:08.44 | | ACTION smites sussudio with a couple of bananas |
| 07:08.46 | Doughecka | oh |
| 07:08.55 | dutchrai | sorry :-) |
| 07:09.01 | Doughecka | lol |
| 07:09.18 | rooter | wolfram takes a long time to download |
| 07:09.25 | dutchrai | Site is very slow |
| 07:09.30 | Doughecka | indeed |
| 07:09.42 | dutchrai | k |
| 07:13.19 | Doughecka | what level are you on in wulfram? |
| 07:13.35 | dutchrai | me? not played it in ages |
| 07:13.40 | dutchrai | forgot |
| 07:13.42 | Doughecka | ah |
| 07:13.50 | dutchrai | bzflag took over |
| 07:13.54 | Doughecka | higher than 5? |
| 07:13.56 | Doughecka | heh |
| 07:13.58 | rooter | i've downloaded 33% now |
| 07:14.04 | dutchrai | don't think so, only played it shortly |
| 07:14.09 | Doughecka | k |
| 07:14.10 | dutchrai | never got my attention really |
| 07:14.17 | Doughecka | rooter: heh |
| 07:14.19 | Doughecka | yea |
| 07:14.21 | rooter | bbzflag is hard to replace |
| 07:14.32 | Doughecka | indeed, and this game still doesnt use the video card |
| 07:14.33 | dutchrai | yup..no gfx specials..but gamedepth |
| 07:14.37 | Doughecka | unless you have a voodoo |
| 07:14.41 | dutchrai | lol |
| 07:14.58 | Doughecka | and on XP with a nvidia card, its buggy |
| 07:15.06 | Doughecka | and laggy |
| 07:15.12 | dutchrai | funny |
| 07:15.14 | rooter | !!! that's what i was going to use |
| 07:15.20 | Doughecka | well |
| 07:15.26 | Doughecka | you might have better luck |
| 07:15.28 | dutchrai | That's what I have. WinXP and NVidia |
| 07:15.32 | Doughecka | its still playable |
| 07:15.35 | Doughecka | very playable |
| 07:15.40 | rooter | g-force II, winXP |
| 07:15.41 | Doughecka | just slightly laggy |
| 07:15.44 | Doughecka | same here |
| 07:15.46 | rooter | it's a fast machine |
| 07:15.51 | dutchrai | lol |
| 07:15.57 | dutchrai | smooth |
| 07:16.02 | Doughecka | I can play it well, it just flashes every once inawhile |
| 07:16.07 | rooter | dual 1.7 Ghz... gig of ram |
| 07:16.11 | rooter | xeons |
| 07:16.12 | Doughecka | SLICK! |
| 07:16.15 | dutchrai | dual? sick! |
| 07:16.16 | Doughecka | sweeeet |
| 07:16.31 | dutchrai | me happy boy with my 1.4 :-) |
| 07:16.31 | Doughecka | and you play bzflag on it |
| 07:16.40 | Doughecka | heh |
| 07:16.42 | dutchrai | well..bzflag would be happy with 0.4 |
| 07:16.45 | Doughecka | lol |
| 07:16.49 | rooter | in the conference room we have a 50 in' plasma that I sometimes use for bzflag :) |
| 07:16.50 | dutchrai | so I already overkill |
| 07:16.53 | rooter | yep |
| 07:17.02 | Doughecka | sweeeet |
| 07:17.05 | rooter | as well as work |
| 07:17.10 | Doughecka | you gotta take a photo |
| 07:17.12 | Doughecka | :P |
| 07:17.16 | rooter | OK |
| 07:17.18 | dutchrai | brb...getting a drink (baco?) |
| 07:17.24 | Doughecka | baka |
| 07:17.32 | sussudio | bokkelul? |
| 07:17.35 | Doughecka | ok doke |
| 07:17.54 | Doughecka | level 5! bwuahaha |
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| 07:20.28 | dutchrai | back |
| 07:20.36 | dutchrai | got my baco..yummy |
| 07:23.41 | ak|ra | Pinguin???? |
| 07:23.51 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite ak|ra |
| 07:23.51 | | ACTION smites ak|ra with a pair of pears |
| 07:24.46 | dutchrai | ~lart sussudio |
| 07:24.53 | dutchrai | yuk! |
| 07:24.56 | dutchrai | ibot! |
| 07:25.02 | dutchrai | naughty! |
| 07:25.05 | sussudio | ~poop |
| 07:25.06 | | sussudio: i don't know |
| 07:25.15 | dutchrai | ~poop |
| 07:25.15 | | dutchrai: are you smoking crack? |
| 07:25.20 | dutchrai | no |
| 07:26.11 | sussudio | ~poep dutchrai |
| 07:26.12 | | ACTION laat een flinke bout op dutchrai's hoofd after |
| 07:26.20 | sussudio | achterrrrr |
| 07:26.42 | dutchrai | hey! it knows dutch |
| 07:26.47 | dutchrai | ~scheit |
| 07:26.47 | | wish i knew, dutchrai |
| 07:26.53 | dutchrai | hehe..dunno huh? |
| 07:26.59 | dutchrai | ~poep ibot |
| 07:27.00 | | ACTION laat een flinke bout op ibot's hoofd after |
| 07:27.06 | dutchrai | dumbo! |
| 07:27.17 | sussudio | it's spelled SCHIJT |
| 07:27.19 | dutchrai | ~shit ibot |
| 07:27.20 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dutchrai |
| 07:27.23 | dutchrai | oh..:-) |
| 07:27.32 | dutchrai | not been in town for a long time :-) |
| 07:27.33 | sussudio | ~schijt |
| 07:27.34 | | ACTION poept op doug |
| 07:27.41 | dutchrai | hey..wertks |
| 07:27.48 | dutchrai | werkt |
| 07:28.54 | dutchrai | * watches |
| 08:01.30 | ak|ra | Pinguin: wake up |
| 08:01.31 | ak|ra | Pinguin: wake up |
| 08:14.01 | Pinguin | akira? |
| 08:17.39 | Pinguin | akira: wake up |
| 08:17.42 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 08:17.52 | Pinguin | hm ... |
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| 09:11.04 | bomber | back :o) |
| 09:11.08 | bomber | still alive |
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| 09:21.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag ] by ChanServ |
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| 09:27.44 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.202) |
| 09:30.39 | Patlabor221 | does the bzflag leauge site do automatic ranking of teams? |
| 09:31.44 | Chestal | an admin enters a match result, the rest is done automatically |
| 09:33.25 | Patlabor221 | firend of mine is trying to make a script that will do the same thing for a difrent game |
| 09:33.46 | Patlabor221 | but he dosn't know how to calcuate it |
| 09:34.29 | Patlabor221 | I just sent him the formula from the FAQ on the site, he may be able to do that |
| 09:34.40 | Patlabor221 | do you know if the script is avalalbe for download? |
| 09:37.47 | Patlabor221 | oh it may be in CVS |
| 09:38.37 | Patlabor221 | or not |
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| 09:41.54 | chsh[] | Patlabor> what kind of ranking system, the chess-style ranking system, where lower-ranked opponents get more points for defeating a higher-ranked opponent? |
| 09:42.11 | chsh[] | Patlabor221> if so, it's a pretty big formula. |
| 09:42.12 | Patlabor221 | right now I think he's looking for anything |
| 09:42.25 | Patlabor221 | I saw the one they use for bz |
| 09:42.32 | Patlabor221 | didn't seem that bad |
| 09:42.44 | chsh[] | well, if he wants anything, just have a system like hockey uses |
| 09:42.54 | chsh[] | 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss |
| 09:43.03 | Patlabor221 | now that's the one I understand :) |
| 09:43.08 | Cell | 3 points for a win |
| 09:43.14 | Patlabor221 | 2 |
| 09:43.19 | Cell | in soccer |
| 09:43.22 | chsh[] | the NHL uses 2 |
| 09:43.26 | Patlabor221 | we didn't say socker |
| 09:43.30 | chsh[] | ;) |
| 09:43.37 | Cell | k but socer is more popular and bigger |
| 09:43.42 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 09:43.50 | Cell | of coz |
| 09:43.51 | Patlabor221 | dosn't make it right |
| 09:43.55 | Patlabor221 | so is windows. |
| 09:44.03 | Cell | funny |
| 09:45.18 | chsh[] | Cell> more popular than what? the NHL? so what? I suggested the NHL system, does it really make a difference? |
| 09:45.43 | Patlabor221 | well he seems to be liking the chess one |
| 09:45.51 | Patlabor221 | it's for ongoing rankings |
| 09:45.53 | chsh[] | yeah, it makes a lot more sense |
| 09:46.11 | chsh[] | I prefer the sports-style systems if you're doing 'seasons' |
| 09:46.20 | Patlabor221 | the NHL one works in a tourny where you need to get a single winner and allow eliminations. |
| 09:46.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 09:46.30 | chsh[] | yeah |
| 09:46.34 | Chestal | oh, sorry, was busy |
| 09:46.38 | Patlabor221 | where you need to get one at the end, and reset next season |
| 09:46.43 | Chestal | well, the forumla is quite simplistic, similar to ELO chess system |
| 09:46.45 | Patlabor221 | our hockey teams did the sam thing. |
| 09:46.54 | chsh[] | ELO, that's what its called. ;) |
| 09:47.01 | Patlabor221 | I sent it to him, he's liking it. |
| 09:47.08 | Chestal | it's even documented in the FAQ on the league site I think |
| 09:47.18 | chsh[] | yeah, most leagues would document it |
| 09:47.19 | Patlabor221 | it's for ranking of PS2 online football games |
| 09:47.27 | Patlabor221 | so no real seasos |
| 09:47.35 | chsh[] | the NATO-Ladder TacticalOps/BF1942/UT2K3 ladder uses ELO |
| 09:47.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah I got it from the FAQ |
| 09:47.51 | chsh[] | so do places like Clanbase, etc. |
| 09:48.00 | chsh[] | I'd like to do a league with seasons |
| 09:48.05 | Patlabor221 | just wondering if the script was avalalbe too,to give him more examples |
| 09:48.09 | chsh[] | do playoffs |
| 09:48.11 | Patlabor221 | subspace did that |
| 09:48.12 | chsh[] | that kinda stuff |
| 09:48.27 | chsh[] | I hate gaming leagues that have cups tho, like NATO, the cup style is lame |
| 09:48.37 | chsh[] | you play people in your division, and never get a shot at anyone else |
| 09:48.49 | chsh[] | it's more fun if it's say, 8 months of games instead of 8 weeks of games |
| 09:50.40 | Cell | man im so damn generic |
| 09:51.10 | Patlabor221 | cell, how would yo do it? DBZ "Power levels"? :) |
| 09:52.09 | Patlabor221 | bahh I have still not been able to find a good multi user online todo list script :( |
| 09:52.37 | Cell | that would not work, cause u dont train enough to rise ur power level enough, t |
| 09:52.59 | Patlabor221 | well that and there is no gurunting in BZ |
| 09:53.00 | Cell | that it could be considered as not beiing ZERO |
| 09:56.01 | Cell | well the nested classes are exactly what i need to reduce programm complexity |
| 09:58.44 | Cell | not that versatile as i n Java but just good enough |
| 09:59.37 | Cell | and as i remember the bzflag code, it could use that too |
| 10:01.13 | Cell | especially concerning the Shot Strategies |
| 10:01.27 | Patlabor221 | well all that needs to be redone |
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| 10:01.31 | Patlabor221 | and moved to the server |
| 10:01.35 | ak|ra | abnd |
| 10:01.41 | Cell | hi |
| 10:01.42 | ak|ra | Pinguin: da? |
| 10:01.45 | ak|ra | hallo cell |
| 10:01.53 | Patlabor221 | heehow |
| 10:02.26 | Cell | that means u have 512 now |
| 10:02.54 | ak|ra | exactly |
| 10:02.59 | Cell | like me |
| 10:03.07 | ak|ra | vmware was too much swapping |
| 10:03.14 | Patlabor221 | that's like 1/3 of the ram I have |
| 10:03.22 | Cell | ;( |
| 10:03.28 | Cell | i want 1 GIG |
| 10:03.47 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: on your home pc? |
| 10:03.53 | Patlabor221 | $200 will get you a gig of DDr |
| 10:03.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 10:03.59 | ak|ra | ah |
| 10:04.01 | Patlabor221 | only havea gig here at work |
| 10:04.05 | Cell | i have only 100$ |
| 10:04.12 | Patlabor221 | at home I have 1 slot still free |
| 10:04.55 | Patlabor221 | well if you have 512 allready another 512 is only $100 |
| 10:05.04 | Cell | i want .net server 2003 with 64 bit intel processor |
| 10:05.05 | Patlabor221 | and it's wayy cheaper if yuo don't need DDR |
| 10:05.43 | Patlabor221 | cell do you have a 64 bit intell processor? |
| 10:05.54 | Cell | no i have athlonXP |
| 10:06.12 | Patlabor221 | itaniums are like 2 grand just for the CPU |
| 10:06.34 | Cell | are they |
| 10:08.05 | Cell | i dont like winXP, everything has changed badly compared to win2000 |
| 10:09.10 | Patlabor221 | both 64 and 63 bit versions of course |
| 10:09.36 | Cell | 1 year to go, then i upgrade my hardware |
| 10:10.13 | Cell | so every 3 yers i k for me |
| 10:10.13 | Patlabor221 | I can get the 32 bit version |
| 10:10.23 | Cell | from ms |
| 10:10.24 | Patlabor221 | 3 years? how do you live? |
| 10:10.31 | Patlabor221 | from MS |
| 10:10.43 | Patlabor221 | in english or german |
| 10:10.56 | Cell | only english, dont like german |
| 10:11.07 | Patlabor221 | arn't you german? |
| 10:11.21 | Patlabor221 | debug or release? |
| 10:11.24 | Cell | language problems |
| 10:11.34 | Cell | release |
| 10:11.42 | Patlabor221 | enterprise, web, or standard? |
| 10:11.53 | Cell | enterprise of coz |
| 10:13.13 | Pinguin | akira? |
| 10:13.19 | Patlabor221 | I don't have a product key tho |
| 10:13.33 | Cell | k i wait till my father gets it |
| 10:14.10 | Patlabor221 | if he has MSDN he can get it now |
| 10:14.34 | Cell | yes i have to ask |
| 10:15.28 | Cell | im so damn hungry |
| 10:15.46 | ak|ra | Pinguin: |
| 10:15.47 | ak|ra | huhu |
| 10:15.52 | Pinguin | hallo |
| 10:15.59 | ak|ra | also, entscheidung? |
| 10:16.05 | ak|ra | festplatte ja / nein |
| 10:16.11 | Pinguin | die 5 mit peperoni |
| 10:16.18 | ak|ra | ok |
| 10:16.36 | Pinguin | platte? wie groß ? |
| 10:16.42 | ak|ra | 1.2 gig |
| 10:17.05 | Pinguin | brauche ich nicht so unglaublich dringend ... nur wenn Du sie unbedingt loswerden möchtest |
| 10:18.12 | ak|ra | noe, ich haette sie sonst erst noch einbauen muessen in nem extra halter |
| 10:18.19 | ak|ra | dann sind die beiden rechner fertig |
| 10:18.29 | Pinguin | dann lass es einfach bleiben ... ist nicht so wichtig .. |
| 10:18.37 | ak|ra | gehen morgen gegen 1500 - 1530 auf die reise und sin eventuell am samstag bei euch |
| 10:18.44 | Pinguin | OK thx ... |
| 10:18.52 | Pinguin | UPS? |
| 10:19.00 | ak|ra | ne |
| 10:19.00 | ak|ra | abx |
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| 10:58.23 | Cell | Patlabor221; i asked my father and he already has .net server RC1 |
| 10:58.26 | Cell | cool |
| 10:59.02 | ak|ra | was hast n du fuern vater? |
| 10:59.05 | ak|ra | ibot bzflag |
| 10:59.06 | | it has been said that bzflag is TimRiker, former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 10:59.13 | ak|ra | ibot ducati |
| 10:59.14 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:59.15 | bzbot | baptiste (R): -15 (27-42). lolita (G): 18 (65-47). snow (G): 4 (6-2). calico (R): 4 (26-22). Skywalker1 (R): -18 (6-24). gravity (G): 1 (14-13). lupinator (R): -1 (2-3). |
| 10:59.42 | Cell | ak|ra: einen normalen |
| 11:01.18 | Cell | 22 min till dbz |
| 11:01.40 | Cell | still time to do some necessary(but damn boring) coding |
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| 11:45.08 | BZFlag | ibot ducati |
| 11:45.09 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:45.10 | bzbot | tankmann (G): -9 (22-31). elgen (G): -33 (56-89). #5 (G): -5 (49-54). Ginku (R): -3 (3-6). bzlynx (R): -2 (6-8). lupinator (R): 45 (110-65). Freshman (R): -9 (15-24). baptiste (G): 0 (6-6). |
| 11:45.21 | Doughecka | BING! |
| 11:45.36 | BZFlag | xk: ibot has a bzflist command too, but I'd like the factoid to call that: |
| 11:45.49 | Doughecka | BZFlag: indeed |
| 11:45.55 | BZFlag | ibot bzflist ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 11:46.41 | xk | so you want a factoid to call an internal function with arguments? |
| 11:47.35 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 11:50.56 | BZFlag | ~bzflist |
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| 11:53.53 | BZFlag | ~zip 84058 |
| 11:53.54 | | rumour has it, zip 84058 is Orem Utah UT |
| 11:54.08 | xk | BZFlag: google for 84058 |
| 11:54.11 | xk | doh |
| 11:54.16 | xk | ~google for 84058 |
| 11:54.30 | BZFlag | ~jargon foo |
| 11:54.31 | | jargon foo is, like, /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of metasyntactic variables used in syntax examples. See also bar, baz, qux, quux, corge, grault, garply, waldo, fred, plugh, xyzzy, thud. foo is the canonical example of a `metasyntactic variable' --- a name used in examples and understood to stand for whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class of things under discussion. To avoid confusion, hackers never use `foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. In filenames, a common convention is that any filename beginning `foo' is a scratch file that may be deleted at any time. The etymology of hackish `foo' is obscure. When used in connection with `bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army slang acronym FUBAR (`Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition'), later bowdlerized to foobar. (See also FUBAR). However, the use of the word `foo' itself has more complicated antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons. The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often included the word `FOO', in particular on license plates of cars; allegedly, `FOO' and `BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's "Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "Daffy Doc", a very early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive affirmative use of foo. It is even possible that hacker usage actually springs from `FOO, Lampoons and Parody', the title of a comic book first issued in September 1958; the byline read `C. Crumb' but this may well have been a sort-of pseudonym for noted weird-comix artist Robert Crumb. The title FOO was featured in large letters on the front cover. An old-time member reports that in the 1959 `Dictionary of the TMRC Language', compiled at TMRC there was an entry that went something like this FOO The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE PADME HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters turning. For more about the legendary foo counters, see TMRC. Almost the entire AI staff was involved with TMRC, so it is not clear which group introduced the other to the word FOO. Very probably, hackish `foo' had no single origin and derives through all these channels from Yiddish `feh' and/or English `fooey'. |
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| 11:56.18 | *** topic/#bzflag is rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
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| 11:56.50 | BZFlag | ~jargon foo |
| 11:56.52 | | extra, extra, read all about it, jargon foo is /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of metasyntactic variables used in syntax examples. See also bar, baz, qux, quux, corge, grault, garply, waldo, fred, plugh, xyzzy, thud. foo is the canonical example of a `metasyntactic variable' --- a name used in examples and understood to stand for whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class of things under discussion. To avoid confusion, hackers never use `foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. In filenames, a common convention is that any filename beginning `foo' is a scratch file that may be deleted at any time. The etymology of hackish `foo' is obscure. When used in connection with `bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army slang acronym FUBAR (`Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition'), later bowdlerized to foobar. (See also FUBAR). However, the use of the word `foo' itself has more complicated antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons. The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often included the word `FOO', in particular on license plates of cars; allegedly, `FOO' and `BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's "Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "Daffy Doc", a very early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive affirmative use of foo. It is even possible that hacker usage actually springs from `FOO, Lampoons and Parody', the title of a comic book first issued in September 1958; the byline read `C. Crumb' but this may well have been a sort-of pseudonym for noted weird-comix artist Robert Crumb. The title FOO was featured in large letters on the front cover. An old-time member reports that in the 1959 `Dictionary of the TMRC Language', compiled at TMRC there was an entry that went something like this FOO The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE PADME HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters turning. For more about the legendary foo counters, see TMRC. Almost the entire AI staff was involved with TMRC, so it is not clear which group introduced the other to the word FOO. Very probably, hackish `foo' had no single origin and derives through all these channels from Yiddish `feh' and/or English `fooey'. |
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| 12:01.19 | *** topic/#bzflag is rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
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| 12:06.37 | xk | heh, two stock quotes in one go? |
| 12:08.39 | BZFlag | xk yep. or more. just do: |
| 12:08.46 | snyke | BZFlag? |
| 12:08.56 | BZFlag | ~quote rhat,ntap,csco |
| 12:09.31 | BZFlag | snyke: yes? |
| 12:18.48 | BZFlag | ~info libb-size-perl |
| 12:23.27 | xk | hrm... what's the name? |
| 12:23.30 | xk | ibot: find size-perl |
| 12:24.27 | xk | ok... added initial version of botmail... you can finish it off ;p |
| 12:25.16 | xk | commited. |
| 12:25.41 | xk | untested, too ;p |
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| 15:13.19 | captain_proton | spiff accused me of cheating |
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| 15:24.02 | DrVankman | Hey Hey! |
| 15:24.24 | DrVankman | Damn, can't see anthing, oh well, I'm gone |
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| 15:48.51 | Julies | hi |
| 15:55.44 | [dmp] | hi ruudi |
| 15:56.14 | Ruudi | can anyon etell me some sftp client for XP where i can use drag and drop and some more moronous things :? |
| 15:58.54 | [dmp] | i wanted to have my users to use non-ftp for xfering files, i ended up with using winscp. |
| 16:00.24 | Ruudi | hmm just there should be a simple ftp client for win as there is gftp and stuff but none |
| 16:02.14 | [dmp] | perhaps cuteftp or filezilla have sftp support. filezilla have a "FTP over SSL" option. Not sure if that would be sftp (is the s in sftp ssl or ssh? or just secure?) |
| 16:02.25 | Doughecka | XP has FTP support built in |
| 16:02.35 | Doughecka | I dunno about sftp |
| 16:02.36 | Ruudi | filezilla comes from mozilla pack? |
| 16:02.51 | Ruudi | on ething i need too is file resume |
| 16:02.58 | [dmp] | no found it on the sf.net site (which seems to be offline right now) |
| 16:05.01 | Ruudi | filezilla comes |
| 16:05.47 | [dmp] | comes? |
| 16:05.54 | Ruudi | dloadin it |
| 16:05.59 | [dmp] | ah |
| 16:06.23 | [dmp] | I like it. Its not perfect but as leechftp is dead i |
| 16:06.29 | [dmp] | 've been using it ever since. |
| 16:06.43 | Ruudi | i use smart ftp |
| 16:06.53 | [dmp] | tried it, dont really like it. |
| 16:07.07 | Ruudi | yeah not so good |
| 16:07.40 | [dmp] | the gui is messy i think. |
| 16:08.20 | [dmp] | but then again, i'm a window-commander type of person. Never liked the explorer |
| 16:08.27 | Ruudi | yeah sort of...but there is those auto tile things and stuff |
| 16:08.46 | Ruudi | i'm used with explorer for nowdays |
| 16:09.26 | [dmp] | i like the split-screen "WinCommander"-style every much. Have been using it since i left the amiga. |
| 16:09.57 | Ruudi | i remember it from norton commander days |
| 16:10.02 | Ruudi | win commander as well |
| 16:10.15 | Ruudi | but now i use even ctrl c - ctrl v for files |
| 16:11.05 | [dmp] | can one use explore without the mouse? (wondering) I've never done it effectively. |
| 16:11.34 | [dmp] | .. with explorer. |
| 16:12.06 | Ruudi | well most of times there is mouse :) |
| 16:12.20 | Ruudi | but linux command prompt is fastest way to manage files |
| 16:12.37 | Ruudi | and rm -fr for home i have done it too :) |
| 16:12.58 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:13.01 | Ruudi | seems like no sftp in filezilla |
| 16:13.07 | [dmp] | :-\ |
| 16:13.15 | Ruudi | hmm |
| 16:13.19 | [dmp] | "FTP over SSL" dosnt work? |
| 16:13.23 | Ruudi | but they say in web there is sftp support |
| 16:15.22 | Ruudi | ahha i got connected :) nice |
| 16:15.29 | [dmp] | wee :) |
| 16:15.30 | Ruudi | will see is there a file resume as well |
| 16:15.48 | Ruudi | for films it's better with resume |
| 16:16.27 | [dmp] | I guess, I only upload pictures & zip.. like max 15-20 megs never tried to resume. |
| 16:17.50 | Ruudi | weird my connection is slow |
| 16:18.09 | Ruudi | i have seen it with some ftp servers before...it's slow where it shouldn't be slow |
| 16:19.53 | Ruudi | it resumes :) nice nice good tay today and good you told about filezilla |
| 16:21.19 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:21.34 | Ruudi | now i need to clean my hdd for some gigas :) |
| 16:24.08 | Ruudi | huh too mutch wav's on disk |
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| 16:37.48 | Ruudi | night |
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| 16:47.54 | *** topic/#bzflag is rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
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| 17:27.24 | Patlabor221 | god I can't beilve I just did what I just did. |
| 17:31.05 | Patlabor221 | ibot bzedit? |
| 17:31.06 | | i heard bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz, or http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 17:31.33 | Patlabor221 | ibot bz edit is also http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/ |
| 17:31.34 | | okay, Patlabor221 |
| 17:31.43 | Patlabor221 | ibot bzedit? |
| 17:31.43 | | bzedit is, like, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz, or http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 17:32.01 | Patlabor221 | ibot forget bzedit |
| 17:32.02 | | i forgot bzedit, Patlabor221 |
| 17:32.53 | Doughecka | ? |
| 17:32.56 | Doughecka | what did you do? |
| 17:32.58 | Patlabor221 | ibot bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 17:32.59 | | Patlabor221: okay |
| 17:33.18 | Patlabor221 | doug did you make that wiki bzedit page? |
| 17:33.29 | Doughecka | um |
| 17:33.32 | Doughecka | on the wiki? |
| 17:33.34 | Doughecka | no |
| 17:33.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:33.36 | Doughecka | er |
| 17:33.39 | Doughecka | yea |
| 17:33.41 | Patlabor221 | do you know how to change it |
| 17:33.46 | Patlabor221 | can you change the URL? |
| 17:33.54 | Patlabor221 | so it dosn't hit the redirector |
| 17:34.03 | Patlabor221 | one brand new spiffy page |
| 17:34.03 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BZEdit/ |
| 17:34.07 | Doughecka | ah |
| 17:34.22 | Patlabor221 | and every link on the new page should work |
| 17:35.29 | Patlabor221 | even tho it is rather bland |
| 17:35.47 | Doughecka | ok |
| 17:36.03 | Doughecka | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BzEditw32 |
| 17:36.29 | Doughecka | hmm I got to level 6 on wulfram |
| 17:36.35 | Doughecka | dint even know it |
| 17:36.36 | Doughecka | lol |
| 17:37.33 | Patlabor221 | why did you put the picture of the beta up there? |
| 17:37.45 | Doughecka | cuz the old image was broken |
| 17:37.55 | Patlabor221 | what was the old image? |
| 17:38.13 | Doughecka | it went to your old bzedit page |
| 17:38.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah moved all that out there |
| 17:38.32 | Patlabor221 | I put a redirecter in the old page. |
| 17:38.47 | Doughecka | ah |
| 17:38.49 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm gonna drop the "W32 from the name |
| 17:38.58 | Patlabor221 | and Just call it BZEdit for Windows. |
| 17:39.32 | Doughecka | hmm, better |
| 17:40.03 | Doughecka | lol |
| 17:40.25 | Patlabor221 | hope it dosn't confuse people who use the tutorial |
| 17:40.35 | Doughecka | hehehe |
| 17:42.15 | Patlabor221 | when you have your tutorials done I will make a difrent page for the tutorials that lets you pick between them |
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| 17:43.23 | Doughecka | k |
| 17:50.18 | Patlabor221 | oooo dreamweaver has a spell checker, I am saved |
| 17:53.31 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 17:53.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:53.34 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:03.01 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 18:03.52 | captain_proton | "Yes I posted a very ters and badly spelled tutorial |
| 18:03.54 | captain_proton | heh |
| 18:04.14 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 18:04.15 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:04.15 | bzbot | Maddog (R): 0 (2-2). luc (G): 0 (2-2). |
| 18:04.45 | Patlabor221 | cap wana see my spiffy new BZEdit page? :) |
| 18:04.56 | captain_proton | i'm looking right now |
| 18:05.45 | Patlabor221 | well reload it |
| 18:05.47 | Patlabor221 | I just updated it |
| 18:05.53 | Patlabor221 | ran a spell checker on it |
| 18:06.17 | Patlabor221 | and fixed up some stuff |
| 18:06.26 | Patlabor221 | put in a good link to your tarballs |
| 18:07.45 | Patlabor221 | friend of mine says he's gonna hook up a news script thingy for me |
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| 19:11.41 | [STC]creeperz | dutchrai here? |
| 19:11.54 | Patlabor221 | Doug, how does the new logo look? |
| 19:12.06 | Patlabor221 | I don't see his name on the list |
| 19:12.12 | [STC]creeperz | ok, thnx |
| 19:12.23 | [STC]creeperz | tell him thnx thoug ok? if yu c him |
| 19:12.37 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 19:12.49 | [STC]creeperz | for the dimesions and stuff |
| 19:13.04 | Patlabor221 | of the tanks? |
| 19:13.08 | [STC]creeperz | BZFlag configuration file page |
| 19:13.16 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 19:13.33 | [STC]creeperz | under references on shellshock |
| 19:14.00 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 19:14.12 | Patlabor221 | I cold have him put a link to the new bzedit page on there too |
| 19:14.25 | [STC]creeperz | what new page? |
| 19:14.44 | Patlabor221 | ~bzedit |
| 19:14.45 | | [bzedit] http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 19:14.54 | Patlabor221 | the last one there |
| 19:14.59 | [STC]creeperz | ok... |
| 19:15.16 | [STC]creeperz | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit is it? |
| 19:15.23 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:15.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah he got the data I gave him right on shellshock, good |
| 19:16.03 | [STC]creeperz | YIPPEE! lol |
| 19:16.07 | [STC]creeperz | YIPPEE! lol |
| 19:16.12 | [STC]creeperz | oopz |
| 19:16.19 | [STC]creeperz | sorry |
| 19:17.59 | [STC]creeperz | oh, thats the one I have now lol |
| 19:18.14 | [STC]creeperz | brb |
| 19:19.56 | Patlabor221 | anyone know JZaun's and Noodleman's email? |
| 19:20.34 | [STC]creeperz | nope |
| 19:28.06 | Patlabor221 | well foudn some of them at least |
| 19:28.24 | Patlabor221 | Doughecka: where you at? |
| 19:29.55 | [STC]creeperz | *hehe* |
| 19:34.43 | [STC]creeperz | OMG!! The new editor is going to be so easy to use!!! |
| 19:35.41 | [STC]creeperz | that is so cool |
| 19:35.49 | [STC]creeperz | very easy to use the links! |
| 19:37.22 | Patlabor221 | that's the plan |
| 19:38.13 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:38.24 | [STC]creeperz | brb |
| 19:40.24 | *** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit |
| 19:41.19 | *** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired |
| 19:41.55 | *** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's SILL ALL DOUG'S FAULT :) |
| 19:42.00 | Patlabor221 | there that's better |
| 19:47.55 | Patlabor221 | time to go home |
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| 19:55.49 | Doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 19:56.04 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:56.20 | Patlabor221 | can you add a link to bzedit to the front wiki page for me? |
| 19:56.31 | Patlabor221 | I can never get that thing to work |
| 19:56.43 | Doughecka | k |
| 19:56.51 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 19:57.04 | Doughecka | there IS a link on the front page |
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| 19:57.47 | Doughecka | what do you want it to go to? |
| 19:57.57 | Doughecka | BzEdit for windows? |
| 19:58.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:58.26 | Patlabor221 | and cap the Z |
| 19:58.42 | Patlabor221 | I don't have a combo page for both editors yet |
| 19:58.56 | Doughecka | there, check it out |
| 20:00.13 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 20:00.47 | Patlabor221 | now If I could just get it on the links page too |
| 20:00.59 | Doughecka | hm |
| 20:01.25 | Patlabor221 | ohh I see how |
| 20:02.07 | Doughecka | ok, now its on the links |
| 20:02.27 | Patlabor221 | ha I was doing it too |
| 20:02.31 | Patlabor221 | ohh one sec |
| 20:02.33 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:03.24 | Patlabor221 | There I like that better |
| 20:03.33 | Patlabor221 | the URL is kinda stupid |
| 20:03.43 | Doughecka | yea |
| 20:05.43 | Patlabor221 | wow that tutorial is REALY tupping wide |
| 20:05.55 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:06.55 | Doughecka | grr |
| 20:07.22 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:08.24 | Patlabor221 | been out for a while hasn't it? |
| 20:08.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh let me post up the subspace installer for you |
| 20:09.57 | Doughecka | no |
| 20:10.00 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite Doughecka |
| 20:10.00 | | ACTION smites Doughecka with a wagonload of nectarines |
| 20:10.11 | Doughecka | its still beta |
| 20:10.21 | Doughecka | and only avalible for people who donate money |
| 20:10.34 | Patlabor221 | did you give them money? |
| 20:10.39 | Doughecka | which problebly explains why it froze |
| 20:10.41 | Doughecka | um, no |
| 20:10.44 | Doughecka | what money? |
| 20:10.52 | Patlabor221 | how did you get it then? |
| 20:10.58 | Doughecka | downloaded it |
| 20:11.09 | Doughecka | the links right there |
| 20:11.27 | Doughecka | its just that EVERYTHING is server based.. so I bet it told the client to lock up on me |
| 20:11.46 | Patlabor221 | that would seem to take more work then it's worth |
| 20:11.55 | Doughecka | hrm |
| 20:12.02 | Doughecka | dunno |
| 20:12.02 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet it's just buggy as HELLLL |
| 20:12.07 | Doughecka | not really |
| 20:12.26 | Patlabor221 | how can you tell? it locked up on you |
| 20:12.28 | Doughecka | the software version is very bug free, unless you have a video card that dont supports 8 bit very well |
| 20:12.43 | Doughecka | other people say ot works fine |
| 20:12.52 | Patlabor221 | the DX version would proablaby change a lot |
| 20:12.56 | Doughecka | indeed |
| 20:13.10 | Doughecka | it has anti aliasing |
| 20:13.11 | Doughecka | and stuff |
| 20:13.21 | Doughecka | very sweet, cant wait till its out |
| 20:13.29 | Patlabor221 | well all DX stuff can have AA, if the card supports it |
| 20:13.33 | Patlabor221 | it's the card that does it |
| 20:13.53 | Doughecka | hmmm |
| 20:13.59 | Doughecka | I see now.... the mouse dont work |
| 20:14.07 | Doughecka | I get the menus... but no mouse |
| 20:14.28 | Doughecka | which makes the game compleatly useless |
| 20:14.35 | Patlabor221 | if they did it on porupose, why not bring up a message and just quit. |
| 20:14.41 | Doughecka | dunno |
| 20:15.16 | Patlabor221 | making stuff lock up and look like a crash is 1) stupid, it makes you look bad and 2) rather hard |
| 20:15.32 | Doughecka | heh |
| 20:15.41 | Patlabor221 | how do you take a screen shot in linux? |
| 20:16.19 | Doughecka | camera |
| 20:16.32 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:16.46 | Doughecka | digital camera |
| 20:16.51 | Doughecka | I dunno any other way |
| 20:17.22 | Patlabor221 | ohh there has to be a way |
| 20:17.44 | Patlabor221 | how else did JZuan gank the icons from redhat 8 |
| 20:18.14 | Doughecka | you need to get a) 2 ducks b) a turkey c) 3 gerbils d) a large blender |
| 20:18.59 | Patlabor221 | Or KIconView |
| 20:19.09 | Doughecka | or that |
| 20:19.16 | Doughecka | but thats the EASY way out |
| 20:19.24 | Patlabor221 | fine for me |
| 20:19.31 | Patlabor221 | where do they keep all that stuff tho |
| 20:19.31 | Doughecka | heh |
| 20:19.36 | Doughecka | system folder |
| 20:19.38 | Doughecka | :P |
| 20:19.56 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I know how I got the icons :-) |
| 20:20.04 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 20:20.04 | jzaun | Patlabor221: just used the PNG files |
| 20:20.10 | Patlabor221 | where are they? |
| 20:20.14 | Doughecka | hahaha |
| 20:20.16 | jzaun | Patlabor221: graphic files |
| 20:20.17 | Patlabor221 | that's what I am looking for now |
| 20:20.27 | Patlabor221 | I know what are tehy, where? |
| 20:20.30 | jzaun | Patlabor221: the are in /usr/share/icons |
| 20:20.38 | [STC]creeperz | g2g ppl |
| 20:21.11 | Patlabor221 | scheweeeeeeet |
| 20:21.13 | Patlabor221 | thans |
| 20:21.16 | jzaun | Patlabor221: on linux type locate *.png | grep "/usr/share/" |
| 20:21.22 | Patlabor221 | got them now |
| 20:21.24 | jzaun | you'll see bunches of graphics |
| 20:21.33 | Patlabor221 | oh I updated the windows BZEdit page |
| 20:21.42 | Patlabor221 | and posted a short overvide |
| 20:21.44 | jzaun | Patlabor221: URL again? |
| 20:21.48 | Patlabor221 | voverview |
| 20:21.56 | jzaun | overview :-) |
| 20:22.01 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit |
| 20:22.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah that too :) |
| 20:23.00 | Patlabor221 | I have some more stat info to put on the tutorial page too |
| 20:23.19 | jzaun | you useed dougs world in a screenshot |
| 20:23.39 | jzaun | where is one of my maps? :'( |
| 20:23.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's what I had on my drive |
| 20:23.45 | Patlabor221 | send me one |
| 20:23.59 | Patlabor221 | I'll put it in the screenshot for 1.6 |
| 20:24.26 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/dlmap.php?mapid=32 |
| 20:25.04 | Patlabor221 | you realy gotta fix that name thing on download, I have a ton of maps names dlmap.php :) |
| 20:25.18 | jzaun | um... rename on download :-) |
| 20:25.23 | Patlabor221 | I do |
| 20:25.39 | jzaun | so you shouldn't have a bunch named dlmap.php |
| 20:25.52 | Patlabor221 | but it confuses the Hell outa the people who try to run servers |
| 20:26.22 | jzaun | oohhh.... so you want me to fix that for other people, not you right? |
| 20:26.34 | Patlabor221 | doug: http://www.artemisgames.com/continuum37.app |
| 20:26.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah, cus they are idiots and come here, and I feel sorry have have to help them |
| 20:27.11 | jzaun | they really come here and ask about that? |
| 20:27.13 | Patlabor221 | doug: rename it to .exe when it's downloaded |
| 20:27.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:27.22 | Patlabor221 | "how do I start a server with a map" |
| 20:27.36 | jzaun | heh, never saw one of them.... |
| 20:28.17 | Doughecka | haha |
| 20:28.29 | Doughecka | Patlabor221: whats that? |
| 20:28.30 | jzaun | so... compile a copy of BZE for linux... I wana use it |
| 20:29.08 | Doughecka | its freaking huge |
| 20:29.24 | Doughecka | jzaun: use bzedit 2.x |
| 20:29.25 | Doughecka | :P |
| 20:30.00 | jzaun | Doughecka: I really really want drag and drop... thats why I haven't made any maps lately |
| 20:30.08 | Doughecka | jzaun: hehe |
| 20:30.09 | Patlabor221 | my BZE won't compile for lin |
| 20:30.11 | jzaun | too lazy to type in the numbers 1000000000 times |
| 20:30.14 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:30.20 | Patlabor221 | she's a windows only |
| 20:30.52 | Doughecka | Patlabor221: I got the file |
| 20:31.04 | jzaun | website quote "BZEdit does NOT presently run on a Macintosh compuer." so it will someday? |
| 20:31.09 | Patlabor221 | doug: that's supspace |
| 20:31.17 | Doughecka | yes |
| 20:31.24 | Patlabor221 | it may if I make an ASSSLOAD of changes to it |
| 20:31.24 | Doughecka | jzaun: we hope |
| 20:31.38 | Doughecka | I thought it was a cubit? |
| 20:31.44 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:31.48 | jzaun | Does BZF run on OSX? |
| 20:31.50 | Doughecka | k |
| 20:31.54 | Doughecka | jzaun: yup |
| 20:31.56 | Patlabor221 | yes there is a port |
| 20:32.07 | jzaun | Cool |
| 20:32.12 | Patlabor221 | no it's not a cubic ASSLOAD yet |
| 20:32.13 | Doughecka | sheesh number of players on this one server... over 300 |
| 20:32.14 | *** join/#bzflag DrVankman (~184543ef@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 20:32.25 | jzaun | Hello DrVankman |
| 20:32.37 | Doughecka | is there any tutorials for this game? |
| 20:32.44 | DrVankman | JZaun, I can't see the text in the main window, E-Mail me the server name, please |
| 20:33.11 | jzaun | will do |
| 20:33.21 | DrVankman | Actually, let me try a different browser, first |
| 20:33.22 | Patlabor221 | doug just play it |
| 20:33.28 | Doughecka | ok... |
| 20:34.02 | Patlabor221 | jzaun, oh I had an idea for you world list. it would be nice to show how many objects are in each map |
| 20:34.11 | jzaun | Doughecka: If you wanna write one up I'll add it to stats |
| 20:34.11 | *** join/#bzflag DrVankman (~184543ef@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 20:34.20 | Patlabor221 | so people can know how nasty they are on there machine |
| 20:34.21 | DrVankman | Ahh, here we are |
| 20:34.22 | jzaun | DrVankman: Better? |
| 20:34.36 | DrVankman | I got it, finally, although the damn scrollbar doesn't auto-scroll |
| 20:34.36 | Doughecka | jzaun: diferent game |
| 20:34.41 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Working on something like that... its will validate maps as well |
| 20:34.48 | DrVankman | Oh, nevermind, everything is OK |
| 20:35.11 | jzaun | DrVankman: I'm made you a BZC under "Dr. Vankman" |
| 20:35.22 | DrVankman | Yeah, I saw that on the main page, Thanks |
| 20:35.30 | sussudio | jzaun : what about meeeeeeeeee |
| 20:35.34 | jzaun | When you log in you should see a new button called BZCop |
| 20:35.36 | DrVankman | About that script, is it an SH script to be run before BZ, or what? |
| 20:35.46 | DrVankman | I didn't really look at it too hard |
| 20:35.55 | jzaun | ahh the script... its in perl |
| 20:36.10 | DrVankman | Okay, what should I do with it? |
| 20:36.21 | jzaun | when run it connects to stats.bzflag.org and gets the admin password/banlist etc. |
| 20:36.47 | jzaun | download and run it |
| 20:36.56 | jzaun | it will print out a help screen |
| 20:37.12 | jzaun | se the options for ports, etc. and it will run the server for you |
| 20:37.31 | sussudio | fairdist.map Box : [187] Tele : [28] Pyr : [16] Links : [54] |
| 20:37.32 | DrVankman | Oh I see. Uhh... |
| 20:37.33 | sussudio | muhaha |
| 20:37.43 | DrVankman | I run a thing I call BZWebFace |
| 20:38.05 | jzaun | you mentioned that |
| 20:38.07 | DrVankman | I change the maps and whatnot from it |
| 20:38.43 | sussudio | rnb11.map Box : [199] Tele : [15] Pyr : [26] Links : [30] |
| 20:38.44 | jzaun | not shure f you'de be up to converting it to use my script or not... if you do you would have access to all the maps in the database |
| 20:38.49 | *** join/#bzflag bzdougg (~d0932785@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 20:38.59 | bzdougg | very nice |
| 20:39.05 | sussudio | cnaps.map Box : [221] Tele : [14] Pyr : [40] Links : [28] |
| 20:39.06 | sussudio | woo |
| 20:39.07 | DrVankman | Yeah, I guess I could |
| 20:39.07 | bzdougg | crashed my computer good |
| 20:39.16 | DrVankman | Is it relativly the same as BZFS? |
| 20:39.16 | jzaun | as well as the standard BZC password/ban list |
| 20:39.23 | Patlabor221 | it did? |
| 20:39.29 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:39.33 | bzdougg | a yup |
| 20:39.34 | Patlabor221 | I installed it yesterday fine |
| 20:39.43 | bzdougg | odd |
| 20:39.44 | jzaun | Alot of the options are removed as the database holds the settings for each map |
| 20:39.44 | Patlabor221 | you sure you don't have some funkyt direct X issues? |
| 20:39.49 | bzdougg | be its cuz it went fullscreen |
| 20:39.53 | bzdougg | no |
| 20:40.02 | Patlabor221 | what is wrong with FS? |
| 20:40.07 | *** join/#bzflag Doughecka (~blah@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 20:40.14 | DrVankman | What settings, game-specific, or just server-specific? |
| 20:40.15 | jzaun | the map authors set them up (flags and whatnot) to use with the map when they upload it |
| 20:40.16 | Patlabor221 | well this don't run, and the other thing you had didn't run |
| 20:40.32 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 20:40.33 | jzaun | game spesific, server specific are still settable threw the script |
| 20:41.07 | jzaun | sussudio: get someone to recommend you.... |
| 20:41.30 | Doughecka | :P |
| 20:41.42 | sussudio | ok someone recommend me or something |
| 20:41.52 | Doughecka | like I would like to sign my bzcop status off to sussudio |
| 20:42.08 | DrVankman | Oh, I don't like that, too much. I want to be able to set the settings myself |
| 20:42.12 | jzaun | Doughecka: you don't want to be one anymore? |
| 20:42.17 | Doughecka | I DO! |
| 20:42.26 | DrVankman | Could I just get the Ban List? |
| 20:42.33 | DrVankman | By, like, modifying the script? |
| 20:42.35 | Doughecka | but if I make sussudio a bzcop, he would unbzcop me... :P |
| 20:42.40 | Doughecka | DrVankman: a yup |
| 20:42.51 | sussudio | there's unbzcop? |
| 20:42.56 | jzaun | DrVankman: take a look at the script, the code to get the password and ban list is simple enough |
| 20:43.01 | Doughecka | jzaun: any luck with making a perl script to only do the password and banlist? |
| 20:43.15 | jzaun | Doughecka: haven't worked on it yet |
| 20:43.19 | DrVankman | Okay, cool. I'll work on it tomorow, my server should be up in a day or too |
| 20:43.20 | Doughecka | if I commment out the other things it blows up on me |
| 20:43.26 | Doughecka | sussudio: yup |
| 20:43.32 | DrVankman | I've got to re-wire my house |
| 20:43.41 | jzaun | DrVankman: you could add that code right to your scripts then |
| 20:43.44 | Doughecka | for bzflag? |
| 20:43.50 | Doughecka | yay |
| 20:44.02 | Doughecka | how do I control this game Patlabor221? |
| 20:44.02 | DrVankman | Coolskie. PHP and Perl, what a mash, can do! |
| 20:44.04 | jzaun | DrVankman: would be easier than modifying my script to allow options settings |
| 20:44.32 | jzaun | , converting to PHP wouldn't be hard at all... just 2 MYSQL database calls |
| 20:45.08 | jzaun | I have a database account with readonly access alloud from anywhere... |
| 20:45.21 | jzaun | all the information needed is in the script |
| 20:45.50 | DrVankman | I actually don't know very much about web-scripting and whatnot, I learned PHP just to do my WebFace, but it should be easy enough. I hear MySQL is dirt-simple in PHP |
| 20:45.58 | DrVankman | Okay, well then, I'll see you all later |
| 20:46.05 | DrVankman | Happy Hacking everyone |
| 20:46.14 | jzaun | 7 lines of code should do it |
| 20:46.21 | jzaun | once you get it up post a news item |
| 20:46.27 | jzaun | err... he left :-( |
| 20:46.55 | jzaun | That will make all jzaun.com noodleman and his work with the BZC information :-) |
| 20:47.00 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:47.24 | sussudio | ok doug, bzc me or the bunny gets it |
| 20:47.34 | Doughecka | NOT THE BUNNY!~! |
| 20:47.37 | sussudio | yes |
| 20:47.42 | Doughecka | NOO |
| 20:48.00 | sussudio | fluffy white baby bunny |
| 20:48.22 | sussudio | *twitch* *twitch* |
| 20:48.53 | Doughecka | we raised rabbits and we ate them |
| 20:48.56 | Doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 20:49.58 | sussudio | ok i'm going to spill the guts about you and bunny #321 then |
| 20:51.03 | sussudio | note: digital camera is not suss-proof |
| 20:51.49 | Doughecka | lol |
| 20:51.56 | Doughecka | gmm |
| 20:52.04 | sussudio | i managed to lock it up within a record 10 hours of purchase |
| 20:52.21 | sussudio | now i have to wait till the friggin battery runs out |
| 20:52.32 | sussudio | the BUILT-IN battery |
| 20:52.43 | Doughecka | haha |
| 20:53.11 | sussudio | it still holds the incriminating pics of you and mr bunny |
| 20:53.42 | Doughecka | hehe |
| 20:54.22 | Patlabor221 | well still needs work but thos icons look better then the other stolen ones |
| 20:55.39 | Doughecka | heh |
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| 20:57.00 | jzaun | ah well, be time... night all |
| 20:57.23 | Doughecka | sheesh this is hard |
| 20:57.53 | jzaun | Nothing in life is easy... Drink beer |
| 20:58.33 | Patlabor221 | what is hard? |
| 20:58.34 | Patlabor221 | SS? |
| 20:59.45 | Doughecka | yea |
| 20:59.58 | Patlabor221 | well it's a "real" game :) |
| 21:00.52 | Doughecka | hm |
| 21:01.43 | Doughecka | whats a thor? |
| 21:01.47 | Patlabor221 | but actualy I don't know all the changes they made since it's gone free |
| 21:01.53 | Doughecka | ah |
| 21:01.57 | Patlabor221 | thor's hammer |
| 21:02.04 | Doughecka | oh |
| 21:02.08 | Patlabor221 | level 4 bomb that goes thru walls |
| 21:02.14 | Patlabor221 | big badaboom |
| 21:02.15 | Doughecka | cool |
| 21:04.45 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~fiberchun@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 21:04.48 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 21:05.04 | Doughecka | is there any advantage over diferent ships? |
| 21:05.28 | fiberchunks | having a problem publicizing a server...all the settings are correct -public -publicaddr -ttl -p, etc...but it won't list publicly -- ports are opened |
| 21:05.42 | fiberchunks | 5155 TCP, and 17200+ udp, any ideas? |
| 21:06.04 | Doughecka | nope |
| 21:06.18 | fiberchunks | reasons why a server wouldn't publicize? |
| 21:06.50 | fiberchunks | -ttl is >= 32, by the way |
| 21:16.20 | Widget | http://www.geocities.com/babakbyekta/englishPaper.html |
| 21:18.02 | Patlabor221 | Doughecka: yes they all have difrent capabilitys |
| 21:18.44 | Doughecka | k |
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| 21:31.51 | dutchrai | ~lart everybody |
| 21:32.34 | Patlabor221 | a doooohicky>? |
| 21:33.44 | dutchrai | strange |
| 21:34.07 | dutchrai | Great BZEdit Patlabor |
| 21:34.17 | Patlabor221 | it's not done yet |
| 21:34.22 | Patlabor221 | still needs a lot |
| 21:34.22 | dutchrai | Still its great |
| 21:34.25 | dutchrai | :-) |
| 21:34.50 | dutchrai | Feels very pro, especially the alpha |
| 21:35.15 | dutchrai | Programmer by proffession or hobby? |
| 21:35.23 | Patlabor221 | wait till you find out it dosn't have UNDO |
| 21:35.36 | dutchrai | Yeah..nice to have, right now I just reload |
| 21:35.41 | dutchrai | works too..lol |
| 21:35.45 | Patlabor221 | I am a software devloper as a profession |
| 21:35.56 | dutchrai | ah..that explains it |
| 21:36.24 | Patlabor221 | HTML developer, I am not :) |
| 21:36.34 | dutchrai | hehe...but that is the easy part |
| 21:36.40 | Patlabor221 | for you |
| 21:36.41 | dutchrai | IF all browser were the same :-( |
| 21:36.44 | scanline | heh, not really.. I've seen a lot of really terrible code from "professional" programmers |
| 21:36.51 | dutchrai | true |
| 21:36.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:36.58 | dutchrai | But BZEdit rocks |
| 21:37.01 | Patlabor221 | I work with some of those guys |
| 21:37.10 | Patlabor221 | one guy LIVES by COM |
| 21:37.12 | Patlabor221 | we hate him |
| 21:37.19 | scanline | It matters more how much skill you have, than whether you get paid :) |
| 21:37.21 | dutchrai | Yuk.. |
| 21:37.31 | dutchrai | Definitely |
| 21:37.45 | dutchrai | even better still, if the programmer has programming as a hobby |
| 21:39.01 | dutchrai | think I'll give the bzedit alpha a try and brew a map |
| 21:39.32 | dutchrai | lol |
| 21:39.41 | dutchrai | and won |
| 21:39.52 | Patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 21:39.54 | scanline | http://picogui.org/scrshots/20021119_photonic.png <-- the extent of my artisticness |
| 21:40.13 | scanline | Maybe I should try to get back into 3D modeling now that blender's open source... |
| 21:40.25 | dutchrai | it's an idea |
| 21:40.33 | Patlabor221 | wow that's a nasty dialog |
| 21:40.39 | scanline | nasty? |
| 21:40.44 | dutchrai | always liked modelling with unrealed actually |
| 21:40.46 | Patlabor221 | oddly layed out |
| 21:40.51 | scanline | Patlabor221: explain |
| 21:40.52 | dutchrai | unussual |
| 21:40.56 | Patlabor221 | widgets are nice tho |
| 21:40.59 | scanline | and it's not a diaog |
| 21:41.04 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 21:41.04 | scanline | s/diaog/dialog/ |
| 21:41.12 | Patlabor221 | well then never mind |
| 21:41.19 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 21:41.32 | dutchrai | It's a snake in a window |
| 21:41.35 | scanline | UI-in-progress for an XWT editor |
| 21:42.01 | Patlabor221 | just dosn't flow for me |
| 21:42.15 | dutchrai | XML Widget Template? |
| 21:42.30 | scanline | well, all the text you see on the left are actually checkboxes, I just haven't added a checkbox object to that theme |
| 21:42.34 | dutchrai | What's the OS? |
| 21:42.34 | scanline | dutchrai: yes |
| 21:42.45 | Patlabor221 | ahhh that would make more sense then |
| 21:42.48 | dutchrai | Ah...I see |
| 21:42.58 | scanline | linux.. though it should be portable to others |
| 21:43.02 | scanline | the UI is in PicoGUI |
| 21:43.11 | dutchrai | nice |
| 21:43.36 | scanline | Patlabor221: each checkbox expands/collapses information about the property. I'll use tree items once those are written |
| 21:44.11 | Patlabor221 | then it would make more sense to me |
| 21:44.44 | dutchrai | and me |
| 21:46.11 | Patlabor221 | wow, I think I have proceded in making the page even uglyer. |
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| 22:05.16 | wankerspanker | hey suss....which callsign did u want to apply under |
| 22:05.25 | sussudio | this one |
| 22:05.43 | sussudio | only have 1 regged at jzaun |
| 22:07.25 | dutchrai | hoi suss |
| 22:07.33 | dutchrai | hi wanker |
| 22:07.44 | wankerspanker | hey dutch |
| 22:08.01 | dutchrai | tried the new BZEdit alpha already? |
| 22:08.06 | wankerspanker | nokay you'll need 3 of us to do it...so grab 2 more |
| 22:08.29 | wankerspanker | nHEY new one !!! who ho.....sourceforge? |
| 22:08.42 | dutchrai | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/ |
| 22:08.50 | dutchrai | he has a new site too..check it out |
| 22:09.28 | dutchrai | making lunch..brb |
| 22:09.33 | wankerspanker | so cool i love to draw maps... |
| 22:11.38 | wankerspanker | nheheheh having 10pm snack....burppppppp |
| 22:12.51 | dutchrai | 10pm? 1pm here |
| 22:13.00 | dutchrai | explains the lunch thingy |
| 22:16.21 | wankerspanker | hehhehe are we a hungry bunch or what...lets see food? or bzflag? |
| 22:16.42 | dutchrai | bzflag first, then food |
| 22:16.43 | Patlabor221 | ick all I have is cream of wheat, and a bud ice. |
| 22:16.49 | dutchrai | an got to have his priorities right |
| 22:17.04 | sussudio | i had way too much mac'n'cheese |
| 22:17.20 | dutchrai | mm...eating cereal |
| 22:21.35 | wankerspanker | good only cheese and bolonie here |
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| 22:25.15 | dutchrai | prefer cheese, fridge didn't contain that |
| 22:26.21 | dutchrai | love gouda |
| 22:26.39 | dutchrai | can get it everywhere in the world, that's the best part |
| 22:26.50 | dutchrai | it's just like Heineken |
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| 22:39.22 | *** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's SILL ALL DOUG'S FAULT :) |
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| 22:39.25 | wankerspanker | .....ah ...but it can't find it.....so get error unzip'n it... |
| 22:39.41 | Patlabor221 | what are you using to unzip with? |
| 22:39.57 | wankerspanker | pkzunip OR hjzip |
| 22:40.05 | Patlabor221 | get winzip |
| 22:40.05 | sussudio | the bzedit32 alpha actually runs worse under wine now |
| 22:40.21 | wankerspanker | ah |
| 22:40.34 | Patlabor221 | I haven't tried to work the wine stuff out, but that makes sense, I am doing some realy tricky stuff |
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| 22:43.07 | *** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's SILL ALL DOUG'S FAULT :) |
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| 22:43.11 | wankerspanker | hmmm.. now i have another computer and have nothing but trobule with 2000 |
| 22:43.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah wanks using 98, I have seen versions of pkzip geek on winzip files |
| 22:43.23 | sussudio | wankerspanker : nvidia video? |
| 22:43.35 | wankerspanker | yes is that the prob? |
| 22:43.39 | sussudio | uh huh. |
| 22:43.54 | sussudio | you need to run a registry thingie. |
| 22:44.02 | wankerspanker | bummer no fix for that 'cept a new video card then? |
| 22:44.06 | sussudio | lemmesee |
| 22:44.15 | sussudio | it's a thing with athlons and nvidia |
| 22:44.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah there is the reg thing you shold do |
| 22:44.39 | Patlabor221 | fixes AGP issues |
| 22:45.15 | wankerspanker | okay.... |
| 22:45.47 | sussudio | waaah |
| 22:45.51 | wankerspanker | hehhee |
| 22:46.41 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/windoze/ |
| 22:47.57 | fiberchunks | does that apply to linux/nvidia/athlon as well? |
| 22:48.11 | sussudio | nuh |
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| 22:50.10 | *** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's SILL ALL DOUG'S FAULT :) |
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| 22:50.15 | fiberchunks | ah...the only prob I have (out of all 3d games), is bzflag hardlocks my system once in a while...tonite, however, it has crashed heavily often... |
| 22:50.27 | fiberchunks | so the only prob is the mem=nopentium? |
| 22:50.45 | sussudio | fiberchunks: just kill the xserver |
| 22:51.10 | wankerspanker | yea i find that too fine for days and then for like an hour crashes crashes... |
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| 22:51.33 | fiberchunks | heh, would if I could, but can't...the whole system is borked...can't go to vc or anything else...must reset |
| 22:51.49 | wankerspanker | suss..gota new map going for contest? |
| 22:51.54 | sussudio | fiberchunks : that'll be the nvidia then...... mem=nopentium |
| 22:52.08 | fiberchunks | mmm...ok, thanks sussudio |
| 22:52.24 | sussudio | wankerspanker : do i get cheese if i win |
| 22:52.43 | wankerspanker | hheheheehe DUTCH is buying!!!! |
| 22:53.13 | fiberchunks | sussudio: what if I need to have 2 mem settings, such as: mem=1024M mem=nopentium, that allowed? |
| 22:54.26 | wankerspanker | okay another rookie question..... |
| 22:54.39 | sussudio | why do you need mem=1024M |
| 22:54.56 | wankerspanker | rookie ask's great computer wizards......... |
| 22:55.02 | fiberchunks | for some reason I have difficulty detecting the upper 512 m stick... |
| 22:55.18 | sussudio | hmm *shrug* |
| 22:55.23 | sussudio | works fine here |
| 22:55.33 | wankerspanker | does anyone know of a screen capture(FREE) that can grab a BZFLAG screen |
| 22:55.34 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.34 | sussudio | Mem: 900640 529236 371404 0 46416 370036 |
| 22:55.34 | sussudio | -/+ buffers/cache: 112784 787856 |
| 22:55.34 | sussudio | Swap: 128484 0 128484 |
| 22:55.43 | sussudio | wankerspanker : thegimp |
| 22:55.53 | sussudio | alledgedly |
| 22:55.53 | fiberchunks | well can you specify 2 mem= parameters in the append part of lilo.conf? |
| 22:56.05 | sussudio | fiberchunks : yeah just put a space inbetween |
| 22:56.07 | wankerspanker | the one i have now require ALT/TAB and BZ does'nt like tha |
| 22:56.14 | fiberchunks | cool, thanks much |
| 22:56.39 | fiberchunks | try this out..cya |
| 22:57.56 | BZFlag | "import" from ImageMagick should work on Linux. just open remote x access, connect from another machine with DISPLAY set to where bzflag is running. |
| 22:58.21 | BZFlag | note that the debug version of bzflag includes image snapshot code. |
| 22:58.46 | sussudio | yeah, but does it have powersteering? |
| 22:58.47 | Patlabor221 | I just hit ALT and "Print SCreen" and it takes a pic to the clip in windows |
| 22:58.48 | BZFlag | if you are willing to build your own. there is a separate define for it. |
| 22:59.03 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: nice. |
| 22:59.14 | Patlabor221 | standard windows screen cap |
| 22:59.14 | BZFlag | ~botmail for Patlabor221 get a clue. |
| 22:59.23 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 22:59.39 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: =) testing new botmail code in ibot. |
| 22:59.45 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 22:59.58 | BZFlag | does not notify yet though. do a ~botmail read to see the msg |
| 23:00.07 | Patlabor221 | ~botmail |
| 23:00.28 | BZFlag | "~botmail read" |
| 23:00.36 | Patlabor221 | ~botmail read |
| 23:00.45 | Patlabor221 | there it goes |
| 23:03.24 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : you actually finished highschool? |
| 23:04.00 | Patlabor221 | unfortonatly |
| 23:04.09 | sussudio | yeah, that rules you out then |
| 23:04.27 | Patlabor221 | that's what they said |
| 23:04.32 | Patlabor221 | they also said my car was too nice |
| 23:04.39 | Patlabor221 | and I didn't like animated gifs |
| 23:04.43 | sussudio | not-a-pinto |
| 23:04.58 | Patlabor221 | no Nisan truck, to high class |
| 23:08.40 | Patlabor221 | I don't think this site is ever gonna look good to me |
| 23:08.48 | Patlabor221 | I sould just stop while it's passable |
| 23:11.06 | wankerspanker | hey it looks good to me..your bzedits author right? |
| 23:11.46 | Patlabor221 | for windows yes |
| 23:12.33 | wankerspanker | looks fine....clean/straight forward...easy to read......snapshots/links etc... |
| 23:13.08 | Patlabor221 | stolen Icons :) |
| 23:15.11 | wankerspanker | nice CAT there suss........ |
| 23:16.30 | wankerspanker | nshould i write your addicted to bzflag and if you dont go BZc you'll have a withdrawal..look at all thos emaps ...man |
| 23:18.49 | sussudio | wankerspanker : he's dead :-( |
| 23:20.05 | captain_proton | BZFlag: snapping is broken in cvs! |
| 23:20.08 | captain_proton | sorta anyways |
| 23:20.14 | captain_proton | the keybindings for roaming stepped on it |
| 23:20.18 | sussudio | snapping? |
| 23:21.01 | wankerspanker | okay here is what i wrote |
| 23:21.50 | Patlabor221 | wank are you on a system that donsn't support long file names? |
| 23:22.03 | wankerspanker | addicted to BZ if no BZC you'll have a withdrawal and go on a supersoaker rampage |
| 23:22.21 | sussudio | i have a supersoaker |
| 23:22.29 | wankerspanker | WIN98 is what i use it supports long name i believe.. |
| 23:22.39 | Patlabor221 | well then your unziper dosn't |
| 23:22.50 | Patlabor221 | if it's munching the DLL names, that's not good |
| 23:22.55 | captain_proton | MUNCH! |
| 23:23.06 | wankerspanker | ah...the old pkunzip thing i was wondering if that was it... |
| 23:23.06 | Patlabor221 | proalby killed the data folder too |
| 23:23.17 | Patlabor221 | get winzip it's free |
| 23:23.19 | wankerspanker | cuase HJzipper doe the same thing but more of the file name is shown |
| 23:23.28 | Patlabor221 | the next version will have an installer |
| 23:23.51 | wankerspanker | okay that s cool....it will probably give me all the correct files you have too |
| 23:24.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:24.15 | Patlabor221 | cus it will geek if it can't find files |
| 23:24.19 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/windoze/pkzip32.exe |
| 23:24.39 | wankerspanker | sigh...user end error..(hangs head in shame)...my computer geeks alot |
| 23:25.46 | Patlabor221 | sussudio: did you try it from a command line? |
| 23:25.57 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : wha? |
| 23:26.05 | Patlabor221 | running the editor |
| 23:26.11 | Patlabor221 | you said it died when you did it |
| 23:26.22 | sussudio | it segfaults wine |
| 23:26.38 | Patlabor221 | oh, I thought you were running it on windows from a command line |
| 23:26.50 | wankerspanker | yea i'm an oldtimer programmer(1984) i must type or i get a brain freeze |
| 23:26.52 | sussudio | i'm not in windoze now |
| 23:26.58 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 23:27.10 | Patlabor221 | well on windows it should run from a cmd line |
| 23:28.09 | Patlabor221 | it does for me |
| 23:28.16 | Patlabor221 | but I'd like other to try it |
| 23:29.07 | Patlabor221 | hmm base drawing is fubared too |
| 23:29.08 | sussudio | i have BZE-1.5.9a4.zip and that one crashes from the commandline |
| 23:29.33 | Patlabor221 | are you just running it? or passing it a file too? |
| 23:29.51 | sussudio | just running........... |
| 23:30.17 | Patlabor221 | odd, I just did it here |
| 23:30.29 | Patlabor221 | right from C drive |
| 23:30.44 | Patlabor221 | well if the next one does not work, I'll put some loging into it |
| 23:30.56 | sussudio | k |
| 23:35.19 | Patlabor221 | hey cap, they make a PC now that would work for your music stand. |
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| 23:35.41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: those tablet PCs are too thick for my needs |
| 23:35.55 | Patlabor221 | but they are COOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 23:36.41 | wankerspanker | okay pat worked like a dream unzip'n em...accepted names and everything |
| 23:37.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: they specced em too high |
| 23:37.21 | Patlabor221 | nice when you have real software |
| 23:37.24 | captain_proton | they'd be cool if they were about .5" thick and had a battery life of 12 hours |
| 23:37.25 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: I don't think so |
| 23:37.42 | captain_proton | but you don't need an 800mhz processor with that sort of mobile device |
| 23:37.46 | Patlabor221 | I do |
| 23:37.58 | Patlabor221 | love to be able to run our software |
| 23:38.01 | Patlabor221 | at meetings |
| 23:38.20 | captain_proton | thats what laptops are for |
| 23:38.34 | Patlabor221 | not for taking notes |
| 23:38.38 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to type |
| 23:38.46 | Patlabor221 | I also want to run photoshop |
| 23:38.49 | Patlabor221 | and draw on the thing |
| 23:38.55 | scanline | if you're taking notes, you don't need a super-beefy CPU |
| 23:39.14 | Patlabor221 | if that's all you do is take notes, yes |
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| 23:39.39 | sussudio | chunky is an easy target |
| 23:39.41 | Patlabor221 | but perhaps they will make smaller ones later |
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| 23:39.50 | scanline | drawing doesn't need much CPU either... I don't think you'd be manipulating really high-res images or using CPU-intensive plugins on it |
| 23:39.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: photoshop 4 ran wonderfully on my 486 |
| 23:40.10 | fiberchunks | sussudio: thanks a bunch for that info...appreciate it |
| 23:40.14 | Patlabor221 | well I have PS7 :) it don't run so wonderfully |
| 23:40.26 | sussudio | mkay |
| 23:40.39 | scanline | gimp supposedly runs ok on low-end machines |
| 23:40.41 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: also think of it as a huge ass gameboy :) |
| 23:40.49 | scanline | larry ewing drew Tux on a 486 :P |
| 23:41.04 | captain_proton | scanline: it works alright, X is cranky on slower machines nowadays |
| 23:41.39 | captain_proton | gimp running under X with twm is even usable on a 386 |
| 23:42.27 | scanline | I think a tablet computer with decent sized LCD, ARM or MIPS CPU, and maybe some hardware video acceleration would be awesome |
| 23:42.46 | fiberchunks | isn't MS touting that idea now? |
| 23:42.55 | Patlabor221 | one of then was using one of those other CPUS |
| 23:42.57 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: MS wants x86 |
| 23:43.00 | Patlabor221 | crap don't remember the name |
| 23:43.07 | Patlabor221 | not all of them are x86 |
| 23:43.07 | scanline | if you had some hardware to do blits, rectangle fills, and such, you could drive a huge LCD off a PDA cpu |
| 23:43.23 | captain_proton | MIPS is a better choice since it has an fpu |
| 23:43.35 | captain_proton | and drawing stuff is simpler with an fpu |
| 23:44.10 | scanline | FPU doesn't help for 2D drawing unless you're running something like Fresco on it |
| 23:44.12 | Patlabor221 | who made those new types of CPUs recently |
| 23:44.17 | Patlabor221 | that are in the handsprings? |
| 23:44.21 | fiberchunks | crusoe? |
| 23:44.27 | fiberchunks | transmeta? |
| 23:44.27 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 23:44.29 | scanline | Patlabor221: those are ARMs |
| 23:44.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah transmeta |
| 23:44.37 | scanline | ?? |
| 23:44.44 | Patlabor221 | one of the tablet PC's has one of those in it |
| 23:44.53 | scanline | Palms don't use crusoe or anything resembling an x86 |
| 23:45.07 | Patlabor221 | well I may be confused |
| 23:45.22 | scanline | The older palms use the Dragonball line of 68k-compatible CPUs, the PalmOS 5 thingies they're coming out with are StrongARM |
| 23:45.33 | Patlabor221 | is a transmeta one of those x68 knockofs? like the via C5 thing? |
| 23:45.54 | scanline | Most PDAs on the market now are StrongARM, either SA-1110 or Xscale. There are a couple with MIPS or SuperH CPUs |
| 23:46.00 | scanline | Patlabor221: not really... |
| 23:46.05 | fiberchunks | transmeta's the comp. crusoe is their claim to fame |
| 23:46.08 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 23:46.17 | scanline | crusoe will run x86 code, but it's really a VLIW CPU that uses software recompilation to run x86 code |
| 23:46.36 | Patlabor221 | would it not just be faster native? |
| 23:46.37 | scanline | so they can have a simpler and much lower power CPU core than any other x86-compatible |
| 23:46.44 | fiberchunks | wasn't torvalds involved with them for a while? |
| 23:46.51 | scanline | fiberchunks: he still works there |
| 23:47.01 | fiberchunks | scanline: IC |
| 23:47.37 | scanline | Patlabor221: yes, but these are designed for laptops and other embedded things. It takes a huge amount of hardware to run the x86 instruction set because of how badly it was "designed". Much easier to design a new instruction set and emulate x86 in microcode |
| 23:48.00 | captain_proton | x86 was designed? |
| 23:48.11 | scanline | captain_proton: note the quotes |
| 23:48.54 | captain_proton | scanline: what do i need to do to get up and running with the gl-sexiness? |
| 23:49.32 | fiberchunks | night all, thanks again sussudio |
| 23:49.35 | scanline | captain_proton: enable the sdlgl video driver sdlinput input driver, ttfgl font engine, and turn on 'libpgserver' in the network section. Compile and install pgserver, then compile and run the demo in apps/libpgtest |
| 23:49.55 | captain_proton | scanline: which modules need to be checked out? |
| 23:50.12 | scanline | captain_proton: you might want to specify an alternate font directory if you have a lot of fonts installed in /usr/share/fonts, as it will try to load all of them into video memory |
| 23:50.26 | scanline | captain_proton: check out the 'picogui' module, it's a macro for the ones you probably need |
| 23:50.59 | scanline | captain_proton: you'll need 'themec' from the 'themetools' module to compile the theme in the demo, when you ./configure themetools use --enable-opengl |
| 23:51.29 | scanline | it's empty |
| 23:51.45 | captain_proton | cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.picogui.sf.net rejected access to /cvsroot/picogui for user anonymous |
| 23:51.58 | captain_proton | oh whoops |
| 23:51.58 | scanline | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=4764 |
| 23:52.10 | captain_proton | 'pgui' |
| 23:52.49 | scanline | I tried to name it 'picogui' but for some reason it said that was taken |
| 23:53.17 | sussudio | christ linuxorbit.com is one lame fucking server |
| 23:53.23 | captain_proton | sussudio: yep |
| 23:53.28 | sussudio | they put on a damn spiffmap and half of the users on there are cheating |
| 23:54.04 | wankerspanker | be right there |
| 23:54.43 | sussudio | someone sitting right next to me not getting killed by my SW = cheater |
| 23:55.03 | wankerspanker | oops is that raspberry server? |
| 23:55.11 | sussudio | *shrug*. |
| 23:55.46 | wankerspanker | i can only do donkey jzaun proton noddle death row |
| 23:56.16 | sussudio | donkey death row? |
| 23:56.26 | sussudio | what did they donkey do? |
| 23:57.26 | captain_proton | wankerspanker: how can you do my server? i don't recall giving you the admin password |
| 23:57.41 | wankerspanker | hehehe...new servers donkey lab...death row(1.5 weeks away) |
| 23:58.02 | wankerspanker | proton..are'nt you apart of bzcop? |
| 23:58.06 | captain_proton | wankerspanker: no |
| 23:58.14 | wankerspanker | noh then no i can't |
| 23:58.16 | wankerspanker | nhehehe |
| 23:58.21 | wankerspanker | i tght you were |
| 23:58.52 | captain_proton | scanline: |
| 23:58.53 | captain_proton | font_freetype.c: In function `ft_load_image': |
| 23:58.53 | captain_proton | font_freetype.c:619: `FTC_ImageTypeRec' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 23:59.58 | scanline | captain_proton: either upgrade your freetype or turn off the freetype font engine. The freetype engine needs that, but ftgl doesn't |
