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| 00:59.43 | MrApathyCream | why yes. |
| 00:59.43 | Risolino | when will the next version be out? |
| 00:59.49 | MrApathyCream | yes we are |
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| 01:00.19 | Risolino | any new feature in the project? |
| 01:00.27 | MrApathyCream | sometime between when the sun rises, and the sun explodes |
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| 01:01.30 | Risolino | i'd like to use some flags like megasuperbomb |
| 01:01.30 | sussudio | i'd like a million dollars in unmarked bills |
| 01:01.30 | MrApathyCream | equally likely |
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| 01:05.15 | BZFlag | server should perhaps ignore the msgscore and send it's own calculation on each event. |
| 01:05.39 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:05.47 | BZFlag | slowernetwork io? |
| 01:06.01 | MrApathyCream | well, since all clients are sending score updates... |
| 01:06.09 | MrApathyCream | and we remove that, then it will be faster |
| 01:06.16 | BZFlag | ah. the extra client->server msg. ok, but that's not a big deal. |
| 01:06.28 | MrApathyCream | no, but anything we can get rid of.... |
| 01:06.36 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 01:06.52 | BZFlag | you going to do a patch then? |
| 01:06.58 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:07.07 | MrApathyCream | any thoughts on -tkkr? |
| 01:07.12 | BZFlag | I mean to finish up the display changes I'm working on. get a smaller display if opacity = 1.0 |
| 01:07.42 | BZFlag | -tkkr seems overkill if team-killer-dies is included. don't you think? |
| 01:08.01 | BZFlag | how much fun can you have if you die everytime you kill someone? |
| 01:08.07 | MrApathyCream | dunno, seems like lots of folks are humped up about tk-ers these days |
| 01:08.31 | BZFlag | yes, but they don't have the current team-killer-dies patch either, do they? |
| 01:08.57 | MrApathyCream | no... although someone who's joy in live is to make others miserable probably doesn't care about dying themselves |
| 01:09.58 | BZFlag | it's the delay on rejoin that I think will discourage them. |
| 01:10.13 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 01:10.52 | BZFlag | I'd prefer to try that first. |
| 01:11.00 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:11.25 | sussudio | *cough* flags-on-radar toggle hotkey *cough* |
| 01:11.33 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:11.34 | BZFlag | though I don't mind admins using -tkkr patch, in fact it would be nice to get someone to test and give feedback. |
| 01:11.42 | BZFlag | sussudio: patches welcome. |
| 01:11.43 | MrApathyCream | well, it's there |
| 01:11.53 | MrApathyCream | so we'll see |
| 01:12.50 | BZFlag | I'm wondering if we should use caps and lower as different commands. |
| 01:12.50 | MrApathyCream | mm? |
| 01:12.50 | BZFlag | then like F could be flag on radar and f would be flag help. |
| 01:12.52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: no |
| 01:13.25 | BZFlag | oh, by the way... I know the radar/msg areas are a bit bigger. I'm just not done with the display changes. |
| 01:13.34 | BZFlag | captain_proton: why not? just a preference? |
| 01:13.44 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:14.18 | captain_proton | BZFlag: a strong preferance. using shift/alt/meta/splat makes things icky |
| 01:14.44 | captain_proton | icky from a UI sense that is, not a coding sense |
| 01:14.55 | BZFlag | captain_proton: just running out of logical keys. ;-) |
| 01:15.48 | sussudio | as opposed to the illogical keys, also known as "windows keys" |
| 01:17.33 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 01:17.49 | BZFlag | has anyone tried opacity = 1.0 in cvs? |
| 01:18.06 | BZFlag | radar and msg areas fill the bottom of the screen. comments? |
| 01:18.08 | sussudio | maybe if it was documented somewhere |
| 01:18.12 | BZFlag | the larger radar is nice. |
| 01:18.26 | BZFlag | sussudio: which? |
| 01:18.28 | MrApathyCream | shouldn't obscure flag help |
| 01:18.36 | sussudio | BZFlag: opacity |
| 01:18.52 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: see previous comment about not being done with the changes. ;-) |
| 01:19.41 | BZFlag | sussudio: agreed. if it's in the release I'll add it to the man pages and the ChangeLog (hmm.. might be in the ChangeLog now...) |
| 01:19.47 | MrApathyCream | heh, k |
| 01:21.14 | BZFlag | If I make the radar area smaller, it stretches vertically. some code still "knows" how big the old control panel was. I need to find and nuke that. |
| 01:22.32 | BZFlag | try changing iHeight in src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx line 79 to see what I mean. |
| 01:43.13 | BZFlag | k. try that out. |
| 01:43.23 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 01:43.36 | BZFlag | still need to resize the upper display and move the msg input area if o=1 |
| 01:47.39 | MrApathyCream | cappy: World cache patch now has directory management (chucks oldest file when limit reached). *nix port needed |
| 01:49.58 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: o=1 looks good (as does o < 1) |
| 01:50.05 | BZFlag | well some things don't resize well. running in 640x240 is wierd for example. |
| 01:50.11 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:50.21 | BZFlag | o=1 hides the input area. |
| 01:50.25 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag doesn't work well on Sinclair's in general |
| 01:50.31 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 01:50.55 | BZFlag | I'm a bint concerned with 16:9 displays that should be around soon. so I'll play with it a bit more. |
| 01:51.00 | BZFlag | er bit... |
| 01:51.30 | BZFlag | looks like the msg input area is messed, if I resize when it's on screen it moves. |
| 01:52.08 | BZFlag | flag help wrapping should be wider too and looks to be based on screen height instead of width. |
| 01:52.37 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 02:13.15 | BZFlag | hmm wrapping breaks on the word that passes width instead of the work before. =( |
| 02:13.53 | BZFlag | well, nite all. |
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| 05:46.04 | Terminator | hi all |
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| 07:17.19 | Chestal | hi paul |
| 07:17.25 | paul | hi chestal |
| 07:17.27 | paul | how are you? |
| 07:17.41 | Chestal | paul: oh, quite fine, I have to do soem work but just cannot get started |
| 07:17.53 | paul | isnt it always the way? |
| 07:18.55 | Chestal | I just wonder where to start |
| 07:18.55 | Chestal | at least I have a nice tea to drink |
| 07:19.04 | paul | i reccomend you start at the beginning |
| 07:19.40 | Chestal | sounds sensible :-) |
| 07:19.45 | paul | :) |
| 07:21.53 | paul | what you working on? |
| 07:22.47 | Chestal | my disseration in the area of grid computing, but I still do not know exactly what to do |
| 07:22.53 | Chestal | dissertation, even |
| 07:23.50 | Chestal | I coudl do soem readign instead, hmm |
| 07:24.07 | paul | sounds fun.. |
| 07:24.44 | paul | have a look at like likes of distributed.net (obvious one), but then there's also the less obvious forms of 'grid computing' - Vipul's Razor and DCC.net. |
| 07:26.18 | Chestal | well, distributed.net is a diffeernt form of worldwide computing than what I am looking at, could be subsumed under 'internet computing', but the terminology is quite a mess right now |
| 07:26.24 | paul | yep |
| 07:26.39 | Chestal | I don't think I've heard of the other two |
| 07:26.59 | paul | they probably fall under 'internet computing' again. |
| 07:27.08 | paul | what do you mean by grid computing? |
| 07:27.36 | Chestal | my field is more the glueing software of the likes of Globus, an extension of wworkstation clusters to a broader range |
| 07:27.59 | paul | like Mosix? |
| 07:28.39 | Chestal | not quite, Mosix is more like a modification to the Linux kernel to make it a dsitributed OS, but it's probably not feasible to scale this beyond a local network |
| 07:29.06 | paul | url for globus? |
| 07:29.18 | Chestal | the aim is to run parallel applications on a number of hosts which are located in different geographical and administrative pools |
| 07:29.33 | Chestal | www.globus.org, it's not very spectacular, though |
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| 07:29.41 | ak|ra | abnd |
| 07:29.52 | Chestal | just defines and implements some very basic services |
| 07:31.11 | paul | hmm... |
| 07:31.56 | Chestal | the most prominent man behind blous is Ian Foster who came up with the term Grid Computing AFAIK |
| 07:34.10 | Chestal | what's dcc.net? |
| 07:38.09 | paul | distributed checksumming of email |
| 07:38.19 | paul | iirc |
| 07:39.35 | ak|ra | Chestal: little match? |
| 07:39.40 | ak|ra | for antirosting? |
| 07:39.45 | Chestal | ak|ra: hmm, but only a tiny one |
| 07:39.49 | Chestal | I need to work |
| 07:40.16 | Chestal | where? |
| 07:40.24 | ak|ra | mir egal |
| 07:40.29 | ak|ra | bei mir auch nur tiny |
| 07:41.16 | Chestal | moment noch |
| 07:42.30 | paul | Chestal: you ever get anywhere with your baysian filter? |
| 07:42.49 | paul | (btw: if you want spam - i now have an archive of 3k+ messages :) ) |
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| 08:22.51 | Chestal | paul: ye, it is in production use here, I guess about 4 or 5 peopel use it now to filter their mail |
| 08:23.04 | paul | works well? |
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| 08:23.34 | Chestal | paul: quite well, yes, it has some defiencies, I stopped working on it when it was good enough for me. I am quite sure there are other (published) implementations out there which are much more polished |
| 08:23.54 | paul | Chestal: you're so modest :) |
| 08:24.19 | Chestal | paul: well, some things are just bad in the basic formulas, IMHO they do not make much sense |
| 08:24.26 | Chestal | but still it works quite well, so why bother? :-) |
| 08:24.31 | paul | exactly. |
| 08:25.08 | Chestal | I use it to filter mails into a spam folder with procmail now |
| 08:25.29 | Chestal | and I added macro keys in mutt, so that I can quickly sort messages to god and bad folders |
| 08:25.37 | Chestal | and once in a while I do a retraining |
| 08:26.12 | paul | neat. |
| 08:26.22 | Chestal | lately, there has been some German spam passing through my filter, about 95% of the spam I receive is in English, so it still has problems to detect the German ones |
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| 08:34.52 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen captain_proton? |
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| 08:35.10 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 08:36.10 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 08:46.05 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: is client --> MsgScore --> server was removed how would that effect lag calc in new clients? |
| 08:46.12 | MrApathyCream | s/is/if |
| 08:47.01 | MrApathyCream | would break going to old servers? |
| 08:51.43 | Chestal | no crossaint for me today :-( |
| 08:52.28 | Chestal | well, it would break lag calc for all clients on old server and old clients on all servers |
| 08:53.04 | MrApathyCream | how would old clients be busted? |
| 08:53.58 | Chestal | well, the server would not be ableto use the old lag measurement method anymore |
| 08:54.03 | Chestal | so no lag measurement for old clients |
| 08:54.13 | MrApathyCream | just new servers tho |
| 08:54.35 | MrApathyCream | old client -> new server would break |
| 08:54.41 | Chestal | ehm, yes, exactly |
| 08:54.46 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:55.11 | MrApathyCream | what if server just 'ignored' MsgScore from client lag calc would be fuzzy? |
| 08:56.37 | Chestal | it measures the tiem from MsgKill of victim to MsgScore from killer |
| 08:56.38 | MrApathyCream | would use it for lag calc, but wouldn't for updating score |
| 08:57.03 | Chestal | if you just ignore the contents of MsgScore, lag calc for odl clients should still work |
| 08:57.19 | MrApathyCream | Ok. That's better than nothing |
| 08:57.24 | MrApathyCream | We can rename it MsgLag |
| 08:57.42 | Chestal | I wouldn't rename it |
| 08:57.47 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:58.02 | MrApathyCream | new -> new doesn't have to send MsgScore, and it would still work, no? |
| 08:58.07 | Chestal | I have been thinking about an option, which turns off the new team killing behaviour |
| 08:58.18 | Chestal | easy to do of course, but I wonder whther it should be part of the GameStyle? |
| 08:58.37 | MrApathyCream | Turn on the 'you kill too' part? |
| 08:58.40 | Chestal | yes, for new clients, the explicit lag ping messages are used |
| 08:58.42 | MrApathyCream | s/on/off/ |
| 08:58.48 | Chestal | yes |
| 08:59.20 | MrApathyCream | because of ctf being more likely to honestly kill teammates? |
| 08:59.51 | Chestal | yes, that's my main concern |
| 08:59.56 | MrApathyCream | i can see that |
| 09:00.08 | Chestal | but also for FFA games, server admins might the one or the other better |
| 09:00.14 | Chestal | like |
| 09:00.55 | MrApathyCream | that would be ok, i'd prefer that the default be that tk-ers die, and the admin has to override |
| 09:01.09 | MrApathyCream | so long as that was the case, s'ok |
| 09:01.20 | Chestal | I could make it just a boolean in the serevr, or add a bit to the GameStyle variable. The latter is known to the list serv and the client |
| 09:01.31 | Chestal | I am not sure, if this is a good or a bad idea |
| 09:01.43 | MrApathyCream | gamestyle seems like overkill to me |
| 09:01.58 | MrApathyCream | bool in server sounds good |
| 09:02.14 | Chestal | only downside is that a player does not know, whehter tk will kim him until he tries |
| 09:02.18 | Chestal | eh, kim -> kill |
| 09:02.43 | MrApathyCream | well, no one should actually try to tk, even if it's allowed |
| 09:03.17 | Chestal | it's still allowed :-), only the punishment is harder now |
| 09:03.22 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 09:03.42 | MrApathyCream | actually i added -tkkr, to disallow,... but we'll see |
| 09:03.55 | MrApathyCream | (not in cvs, tho) |
| 09:04.02 | Chestal | is this the kick? |
| 09:04.06 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 09:04.27 | Chestal | hmm, teamkillkick r? |
| 09:04.30 | MrApathyCream | based on percentages, but tk-er could artificially increase their score to get around it, thus the interest in nuking MsgScore |
| 09:04.39 | MrApathyCream | team killer kick ratio |
| 09:04.59 | Chestal | ah |
| 09:05.23 | MrApathyCream | player can broadcast a score of 1000-0 |
| 09:05.37 | Chestal | I don't know, do you think we should try to add these anti-cheating measures now? I thought we were aiming at a more powerful server for a future (incompatible) release anyway |
| 09:06.19 | MrApathyCream | true,... just lots of folks, (ok albeit in those crazy non-ctf/flag/jump worlds) are really steamed about the cheat/tk issues |
| 09:06.40 | Chestal | I encountered it on chardonnay several times |
| 09:06.48 | Chestal | but problem there is that there just is no admin |
| 09:06.54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 09:07.46 | akira_ | :) |
| 09:08.01 | MrApathyCream | been tracking riker's opaque==1 changes? |
| 09:08.06 | Chestal | barely |
| 09:10.15 | Chestal | someone should write a small roadmap for 1.7e8, what should be done for that release |
| 09:10.26 | Chestal | that we could implement that quickly and do a testing phase |
| 09:10.34 | Chestal | we really must test e8 before releasing |
| 09:11.41 | MrApathyCream | test? |
| 09:11.48 | MrApathyCream | we have to test? |
| 09:11.50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 09:11.59 | MrApathyCream | roadmap yes |
| 09:12.04 | Chestal | with a betetr test, the jumping bug might not have slipped in e6 |
| 09:12.22 | Chestal | and I would liek to run pre-e8 bzfs code for at least several days on a real server |
| 09:12.23 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 09:12.32 | MrApathyCream | you runnin' it now? |
| 09:12.38 | Chestal | only on 5155 |
| 09:12.43 | MrApathyCream | emm |
| 09:12.44 | Chestal | need to get that tk patch in for 5156 |
| 09:12.59 | Chestal | and for 59999 I need to work on countdown and timelimit stuff |
| 09:15.52 | MrApathyCream | imo 1.7e8 IS the new more powerful server... just that it's step 1 of 10 |
| 09:16.53 | Chestal | but at some point we'll probably have to break compatability |
| 09:16.53 | MrApathyCream | sure |
| 09:16.58 | Chestal | I'd like the win isntaller to install plain tetx or HTML versions of the unix man pages |
| 09:17.07 | Chestal | any thoughts on how to best do this? |
| 09:17.08 | MrApathyCream | ignoring MsgScore is a step in moving there |
| 09:17.38 | MrApathyCream | Well we have HTML now right, and we're probably going to use a new installer (NSIS from NullSoft) |
| 09:17.45 | Chestal | yes, but all these changes make it more complex, coping with old and new versions all the time |
| 09:17.54 | Chestal | yes, but HTML is not in CVS |
| 09:18.01 | MrApathyCream | on sf tho |
| 09:18.02 | Chestal | neither is there a way in CVS to produce it |
| 09:18.13 | MrApathyCream | ah i see |
| 09:18.14 | Chestal | so it must be kept in sync manually |
| 09:18.23 | Chestal | the man pages have to be updated anyway for e8 |
| 09:18.26 | MrApathyCream | someone did produce it automatically tho, cobra maybe |
| 09:18.30 | Chestal | there already are new features in CVS which are notdocumented |
| 09:18.42 | Chestal | I can do this with man -Thtml myself |
| 09:18.47 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 09:18.57 | Chestal | the IGNORE feature is not documented yet |
| 09:19.09 | MrApathyCream | SILENCE you mean? |
| 09:19.22 | Chestal | ah, yes |
| 09:19.49 | MrApathyCream | i guess we need to do a start/finish diff |
| 09:20.30 | Chestal | who wrote the SILENCE patch? |
| 09:20.40 | Chestal | we shoudl try to update the man pages as ssoon as a feature is added to CVS |
| 09:21.00 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 09:21.09 | MrApathyCream | note to self |
| 09:21.33 | akira_ | who did the changes to cvs that chestal and my patch didnt work anymore? |
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| 09:22.05 | Chestal | hi lynx |
| 09:23.27 | bzlynx | hi chestal |
| 09:23.53 | bzlynx | quite quiet |
| 09:24.29 | bzlynx | whereis bzflag.sytes.net |
| 09:24.45 | Chestal | akira: AFAIK Tim wants to solve the switching between new and old look differently, i.e. not use the old panel, but only reescale the view |
| 09:24.57 | Chestal | akira: so there'll be some need of adaptation anyway |
| 09:27.40 | Chestal | bzlynx: I hope Laz will find time to look into that tomorrow |
| 09:27.59 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: tim, yes |
| 09:28.31 | bzlynx | Chestal: ok |
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| 09:39.26 | bzlynx | Chestal: when is there a next release for bzflag planned you know ? |
| 09:39.44 | Chestal | bzlynx: no one knows, but I'd guess this year |
| 09:40.15 | Chestal | bzlynx: nothing big, though |
| 09:41.17 | MrApathyCream | akira_: it's just that it doesn't merge anymore.... Just random changes |
| 09:41.40 | akira_ | ? |
| 09:41.57 | MrApathyCream | merge fails, duplicate variables, variables missing, etc, etc |
| 09:41.59 | akira_ | i brought it to compile |
| 09:42.11 | MrApathyCream | with current cvs? |
| 09:42.17 | akira_ | yeah |
| 09:42.20 | akira_ | looks crap |
| 09:42.25 | MrApathyCream | well post a new patch |
| 09:42.49 | MrApathyCream | altho seems as tho Tim is against it, so>.... |
| 09:44.45 | akira_ | 1.8 is the new one |
| 09:44.51 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 09:44.51 | akira_ | so why could he be against it? |
| 09:45.08 | MrApathyCream | i think he doesn't like 'too many options' |
| 09:45.12 | akira_ | 1.7 is the outdated already dead kid :) |
| 09:45.17 | Chestal | hmm, I think we should switch off buffering for stdout/stderr in bzfs |
| 09:45.21 | Chestal | or switch to line buffering |
| 09:45.30 | akira_ | the people doesnt like to be forced to use the new gui |
| 09:45.47 | MrApathyCream | it would be fine with me, that's just Riker's opinion |
| 09:45.48 | Chestal | akira: looks like there will be a compromise |
| 09:46.24 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 09:47.09 | akira_ | Chestal: whatever :) |
| 09:47.51 | Chestal | akira: kommst du mal kurz auf 5155? |
| 09:49.00 | akira_ | jo |
| 09:58.16 | akira_ | hat dich das jetzt gluecklich gemacht :) |
| 09:58.25 | Chestal | ja, bin total befriedigt |
| 09:58.33 | akira_ | na fein |
| 09:58.35 | akira_ | :) |
| 10:01.13 | bzlynx | hmmm... you are always satisfied so fast chestal ? |
| 10:02.29 | Chestal | nope, usually there is almost nothing which can do that |
| 10:02.43 | bzlynx | just plain bzflag will do then |
| 10:03.21 | bzlynx | one bullet, no flags, no jumping |
| 10:05.01 | Chestal | yes, that's a nice setup |
| 10:05.27 | bzlynx | difficult to do |
| 10:06.28 | bzlynx | who's admin of the penguin server ? |
| 10:07.27 | Chestal | I didn't even know such a server existed |
| 10:08.31 | Chestal | well, I must really try and do some real work now |
| 10:10.50 | akira_ | :) |
| 10:11.55 | bzlynx | Chestal: i saw a server named doodlepenguin or something like that |
| 10:12.17 | Chestal | bzlynx: I rarely look at the server list |
| 10:12.33 | bzlynx | Chestal: k; |
| 10:13.08 | Chestal | bzlynx: you speak German? |
| 10:13.16 | bzlynx | warum nicht |
| 10:13.26 | bzlynx | dass kann ich doch |
| 10:13.38 | Chestal | ah, Belgien |
| 10:13.39 | bzlynx | bisschen |
| 10:13.43 | bzlynx | yuppa |
| 10:13.47 | bzlynx | ja |
| 10:13.52 | akira_ | damn hippies |
| 10:13.53 | akira_ | :) |
| 10:13.58 | bzlynx | hehe |
| 10:14.14 | bzlynx | Chestal: do you speak dutch ? I guess not |
| 10:15.12 | Chestal | no, I don't. I even have a hard time reading it. For a course here I tried to use a programmign assignment which was in Dutch, I finally had to ask someone on IRC who was from .nl |
| 10:15.44 | bzlynx | well if you ever need another translator, I could give a hand |
| 10:16.08 | Chestal | thanks, I'll remember |
| 10:16.13 | Chestal | now for some perl... |
| 10:16.59 | bzlynx | bbl |
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| 10:37.09 | freelancer | hi all long time no see |
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| 11:00.25 | ak|ra | hei girl |
| 11:00.36 | bzgirl | hello akira |
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| 11:26.29 | bzdoug_ | grr |
| 11:26.32 | bzdoug_ | list server down? |
| 11:26.35 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfist |
| 11:26.35 | | bzdoug_: are you smoking crack? |
| 11:26.40 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 11:28.26 | bzdoug_ | ~topic add THE LIST SERVER IS DOWN! |
| 11:28.26 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired || THE LIST SERVER IS DOWN! (bzdoug_) |
| 11:29.57 | Chestal | eh? why down? |
| 11:31.01 | bzdoug_ | down for me |
| 11:31.05 | bzdoug_ | jzaun is empty |
| 11:31.41 | bzdoug_ | says it cant find it |
| 11:39.14 | Chestal | but ~bzflist wors, doesn't it? |
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| 11:40.48 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 11:40.51 | Cell | Cell is trainning his psych powers |
| 11:41.18 | Cell | boring |
| 11:41.38 | Cell | cool |
| 11:41.46 | bzdoug_ | streaming live |
| 11:41.50 | bzdoug_ | but nothings on |
| 11:41.51 | bzdoug_ | :(' |
| 11:41.52 | Cell | wowzi |
| 11:41.58 | bzdoug_ | I get a nice pretty picture |
| 11:42.14 | Cell | thats all |
| 11:42.26 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 11:42.34 | bzdoug_ | but week days I get stuff |
| 11:42.43 | Cell | grass? |
| 11:42.53 | bzdoug_ | space |
| 11:43.00 | Cell | k |
| 11:43.08 | bzdoug_ | vacuum |
| 11:43.29 | Cell | how can u move in space? |
| 11:43.59 | Cell | swimming? hehe |
| 11:44.24 | Cell | throwing away ur cloths |
| 11:44.35 | Cell | he? |
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| 11:52.52 | AzBats | 'lo |
| 11:53.38 | AzBats | i guess i need a manual server name since the list is down - or a link to a list |
| 11:53.59 | ak|ra | hello cell |
| 11:56.49 | AzBats | ne'er mind... |
| 12:00.54 | Cell | hi |
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| 12:01.16 | Cell | hi |
| 12:01.37 | Patlabor221 | hi |
| 12:01.57 | ak|ra | hi patty |
| 12:02.25 | Cell | realized some good optimazation ideas today |
| 12:04.46 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 12:12.05 | Patlabor221 | optimistions? |
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| 12:14.29 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 12:14.56 | Patlabor221 | http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml;$sessionid$DNL4PSF0XQDDZTN241HBCYY?componentId=123293 |
| 12:15.30 | bzdoug_ | whatever floats your boat |
| 12:15.30 | Cell | yes, i save the transformed vertices and during hittesting(or painting) i reuse them(as long as view does not change), much much faster |
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| 12:16.24 | Cell | and i highlight selections instead redrawing the whole object/scene |
| 12:16.56 | Cell | and some others |
| 12:17.02 | Cell | opts |
| 12:17.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 12:17.50 | Cell | coll or? |
| 12:18.54 | Patlabor221 | it's a good idea if you can't realy use lists |
| 12:18.58 | Patlabor221 | saves CPU time. |
| 12:19.31 | bzdoug_ | how do I fix a out of sync divx? |
| 12:19.35 | Cell | if u cant use lists? what u mena |
| 12:20.00 | Patlabor221 | you have too many tri's to use dispaly lists |
| 12:20.03 | bzdoug_ | its out of sync from the start, so I need to move the sounds foward and backward... |
| 12:20.27 | Patlabor221 | didn't you say it craps out after you add a certan number of tris? |
| 12:20.28 | Cell | oh i will use display lists |
| 12:20.45 | Cell | yep i have to use some more lists instead of one big |
| 12:21.08 | Patlabor221 | then transforming the versts in those lists is pointless |
| 12:21.22 | Patlabor221 | it's easer to just let the hardware rotate the list |
| 12:21.38 | Cell | Chestal: try the adaptive verbal intelligence test i made(student job): http://psytest.psy.med.uni-muenchen.de/adapt/testus1.htm |
| 12:22.00 | bzdoug_ | http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge021115.html |
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| 12:22.15 | Patlabor221 | dinner? |
| 12:22.20 | Patlabor221 | at 2? |
| 12:22.24 | Cell | yes but i save the transformed vertices for hittesting only |
| 12:22.27 | bzdoug_ | lunch |
| 12:22.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 12:22.38 | bzdoug_ | dinner is on sunday, then supper |
| 12:22.41 | Patlabor221 | well what ever works for you |
| 12:22.49 | Patlabor221 | why sunday? |
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| 12:22.58 | bzdoug_ | on sundays there is no lunch, only dinner and supper |
| 12:23.04 | Patlabor221 | why just on sunday? |
| 12:23.19 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
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| 12:52.54 | Sniper50 | Anybody else that have problems with the server list? |
| 12:53.29 | Sniper50 | guess not! |
| 12:55.27 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 12:55.31 | bzdoug_ | I did |
| 12:55.53 | bzdoug_ | Fun With Wine |
| 12:55.59 | bzdoug_ | from the on-a-boring-sunday-afternoon dept |
| 12:56.07 | bzdoug_ | "Ever wondered what would happen if you could compile and run cygwin under wine ? What about compiling wine under cygwin ? |
| 12:56.12 | bzdoug_ | no, not really |
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| 12:57.40 | bzdoug_ | its all... black in the preview window |
| 12:58.06 | bzdoug_ | Fine Wine and Cygars? |
| 12:58.26 | Patlabor221 | do you like talking to yourself? |
| 12:58.35 | bzdoug_ | a yup |
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| 14:34.45 | SpacemanSpiff | Hello all |
| 14:35.07 | SpacemanSpiff | I see that the server list is down again... but then again, I can't even get bzflag.org to come up |
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| 14:36.05 | SpacemanSpiff | Is there anyone who would host a Free-For-All League server?? |
| 14:36.24 | SpacemanSpiff | I would do it myself... but this 56k garbage doesn't hold up.. LoL |
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| 15:09.26 | SpacemanSpiff | Well... I'm out guys. Check out my new community.. maybe join? http://groups.msn.com/BZFlag |
| 15:09.26 | Patlabor221 | msn ick |
| 15:15.34 | Chestal | hi capt |
| 15:16.11 | Chestal | prot: I got some music here, I guess it's Mahler (01_allegro_energico_ma_non_troppo.ogg,...) |
| 15:16.16 | Chestal | proton: what is it exactly? |
| 15:17.42 | captain_proton | from here?: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/music/symphony_06_tragic/ |
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| 15:18.22 | Chestal | proton: are you familiar with the teamkill changes? |
| 15:18.26 | Chestal | hi jp |
| 15:18.27 | captain_proton | Chestal: not really |
| 15:18.54 | captain_proton | i've been working on other things, lge |
| 15:18.56 | Chestal | proton: looks liek tk will lose 2 points? wasn't that fixed? mayeb new clients lose 1 point, old clients 2 points? |
| 15:19.16 | Chestal | I added -tk option to switch back to old behaviour, guess I'll commit this |
| 15:20.14 | Chestal | the other symphonies are Mahler, too? |
| 15:23.38 | captain_proton | Chestal: no |
| 15:23.47 | Chestal | hmm, then what is it? |
| 15:23.55 | captain_proton | symphony for organ is copland (i'm pretty sure, could be saint-saens) |
| 15:24.05 | captain_proton | symphony no.2 (antar) is rimsky-korsakov |
| 15:24.35 | Chestal | ah, thanks |
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| 15:24.57 | SpacemanSpiff | Do any of you know the address to ApathyCream's website??? |
| 15:25.07 | SpacemanSpiff | BZFlag.org is down so I can't find it! |
| 15:25.15 | Chestal | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 15:25.36 | SpacemanSpiff | Thanks Chestal |
| 15:32.55 | captain_proton | INPUT WORKS!!!! |
| 15:32.56 | captain_proton | mostly |
| 15:34.08 | jzaun | captain_proton: Whats the CVS command to checkout the current devel code? cvs -d:???? co bzflag |
| 15:34.50 | captain_proton | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 15:34.54 | Patlabor221 | in cvs it will be 1.8 tho |
| 15:35.15 | Patlabor221 | cap when is he going to move 1.7 to head? |
| 15:35.17 | jzaun | All new code is going under v1_7, right? |
| 15:36.17 | jzaun | um, is ther a pwd for anonymous? |
| 15:36.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: dunno, he tried at some point |
| 15:36.54 | Patlabor221 | tried does not sound good. |
| 15:37.03 | captain_proton | jzaun: you may need to cvs login (just press enter at pwd) |
| 15:37.35 | jzaun | getting connection refused error |
| 15:37.56 | Patlabor221 | I get it asking for a password when I have the repository wrong. |
| 15:40.26 | jzaun | SF is gooffing around today, move stuff it looks like... guess I'll have to wait :-( |
| 15:40.44 | Chestal | sf seems to be down, hmm |
| 15:41.47 | jzaun | I'm thinking of adding esd support |
| 15:42.03 | jzaun | running bzf threw esddsp just sucks |
| 15:42.08 | Patlabor221 | eds? |
| 15:42.16 | Patlabor221 | esd? |
| 15:42.38 | jzaun | esd :-) |
| 15:42.56 | jzaun | gnome sound deamon |
| 15:43.00 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhh |
| 15:43.00 | Chestal | esd sucks |
| 15:43.15 | Patlabor221 | we were going to replace it with a openAL backend |
| 15:43.20 | captain_proton | jzaun: esd is always gonna introduce a LOT of latency |
| 15:43.22 | Patlabor221 | or at least FMod |
| 15:43.25 | Chestal | but bzflag should be more flexible with respect to the sound device |
| 15:43.26 | jzaun | Chestal: that might be the case, but without support sound don't work under gnome |
| 15:43.47 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i doubt riker is gonna appreciate the FMod license |
| 15:43.49 | Chestal | esd also has issues with different sample rates |
| 15:44.06 | Patlabor221 | perhaps not cap. but we can ask. |
| 15:44.15 | jzaun | Chestal: know any way to get sound to work under gnome then? |
| 15:44.26 | captain_proton | jzaun: get an emu10k1 card ;) |
| 15:44.28 | jzaun | Chestal: besdies killall esd? |
| 15:44.30 | Chestal | jzaun: hmm, do you only have one dsp? |
| 15:44.37 | jzaun | Chestal: yup |
| 15:44.39 | Patlabor221 | I think current FMOd based SoundManager works fine in gnome. |
| 15:44.53 | jzaun | Patlabor221: yah but its not the default |
| 15:45.03 | Chestal | jzaun: I don;t really know about esd, is it grabbing the dsp even if it is not playing anything? |
| 15:45.17 | Patlabor221 | jzaun: it's not even in bz yet :) |
| 15:45.27 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah, it grabs it the first time an esd program runs, then stays open |
| 15:45.32 | jzaun | Chestal: no, not really, but gnome has it open all the time for window events and whatnot |
| 15:46.22 | jzaun | I can kill it, and it auto-restarts and it all works fin with BZF, but then I get no wondow sounds |
| 15:46.53 | jzaun | but while BZF runs I get no other sounds then |
| 15:47.40 | jzaun | Once GStreamer is used in gnome I will work on support for it too... there should be no latency with it |
| 15:47.55 | jzaun | its gonna replace esd in 2.2 |
| 15:48.04 | captain_proton | jzaun: there's latency in gstreamer |
| 15:48.10 | captain_proton | any software mixing introduces latency |
| 15:48.43 | jzaun | captain_proton: Very little, I though gstreamer has a realtime option you can set |
| 15:48.44 | Chestal | oh my, enough for today, I finally coped with perl, but now something else is not working correctly, good night |
| 15:49.06 | jzaun | G'Night, sorry about the problems Chestal. |
| 15:50.45 | Chestal | oh well, the world is nasty and evil, but I'll manage :-) |
| 15:51.14 | jzaun | nah the world isn't just the politions |
| 15:52.30 | captain_proton | what coordinates does it expect for the mouse?? |
| 15:52.42 | jzaun | x and y :-P |
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| 16:07.02 | sussudio | ~hammertime |
| 16:07.02 | | ACTION beats up doug |
| 16:08.49 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 16:11.13 | captain_proton | new code in lge-port |
| 16:11.15 | captain_proton | input works here |
| 16:11.37 | Patlabor221 | the windows platrom stuff crashes |
| 16:12.23 | captain_proton | whys it crash? |
| 16:13.04 | Patlabor221 | trying to get things from classes that are NULL |
| 16:13.17 | captain_proton | ick |
| 16:13.22 | Patlabor221 | haven't had chance to look more into it |
| 16:13.26 | Patlabor221 | working today |
| 16:13.30 | Patlabor221 | at the porn pallace. |
| 16:14.12 | captain_proton | porn palace? |
| 16:14.28 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's just what I call job#2 some times |
| 16:14.43 | Patlabor221 | techincaly we sell computers and make e-bay software. |
| 16:15.01 | Patlabor221 | but the owners wife fancy's herself a cheesecake photographer |
| 16:15.13 | Patlabor221 | and he wants to get into the "porn" biz |
| 16:15.33 | Patlabor221 | she not he |
| 16:16.11 | Patlabor221 | I should be home later today and I can look at it some more |
| 16:16.21 | Patlabor221 | sonner if I can get this dialog crap to to work. |
| 16:23.52 | captain_proton | i'm off |
| 16:23.52 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
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| 16:33.37 | sussudio | hmm |
| 16:34.21 | sussudio | i guess that's not bad for 1249 |
| 16:34.22 | sussudio | http://www.aldi.nl/OFFER_NL/OFFER_47/COMP.HTML |
| 16:36.39 | sussudio | doug's drool machine |
| 16:37.44 | Patlabor221 | still seems a little high |
| 16:38.03 | sussudio | it's a little less in dollars |
| 16:38.08 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:38.08 | sussudio | but not that much |
| 16:38.18 | sussudio | 1249 Euro is 1246.398333 Dollar |
| 16:38.21 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 16:38.30 | Chestal | hmm, actually it's more in $, isn't it? |
| 16:38.48 | sussudio | i dont know, i havent checked in 2 weeks...... |
| 16:38.50 | sussudio | lemmesee |
| 16:39.11 | Chestal | E/$ close to 1.01 now |
| 16:39.40 | sussudio | myeah |
| 16:39.43 | sussudio | 1249 Euro is 1260.70313 Dollar |
| 16:39.46 | Patlabor221 | it does come with the OS and works |
| 16:39.49 | Patlabor221 | so that's someting |
| 16:40.07 | Patlabor221 | they like the letters XL don't they? |
| 16:40.16 | sussudio | yup |
| 16:40.27 | sussudio | there's a whole list of other stuff on the main page..... |
| 16:40.29 | sussudio | http://www.aldi.nl/OFFER_NL/home.htm |
| 16:40.43 | sussudio | monitors, wireless kb, etc |
| 16:41.07 | sussudio | women's slippers |
| 16:41.27 | Patlabor221 | actualy we'll be pricing out a 2.4 gig P4 with a GF4Ti4200 and an audigy shortly. |
| 16:41.29 | sussudio | you got aldi in the US? |
| 16:41.42 | Patlabor221 | I don't think we do |
| 16:42.05 | sussudio | it's a discount food store really |
| 16:42.19 | sussudio | lots of shelves, mostly non-brand food |
| 16:42.21 | Patlabor221 | I see that |
| 16:42.22 | Patlabor221 | http://www.aldifoods.com/locations.asp |
| 16:43.01 | sussudio | lidl is almost the same |
| 16:43.09 | sussudio | they sold laptops 2 weeks ago |
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| 16:46.49 | Widget | Oh, Aldi... |
| 16:46.54 | Widget | There are some of those in London. |
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| 16:49.20 | xxxxxx | there is a problem in bzflag |
| 16:49.32 | sussudio | idiot users? |
| 16:49.43 | Patlabor221 | we have a place called Fry's, it used to be a food store that careies small electronics |
| 16:49.58 | Patlabor221 | now it's a electronics store that sells small foods |
| 16:50.04 | xxxxxx | when i go to find server it says cant open server list |
| 16:50.13 | sussudio | Fish & SIMMS? |
| 16:50.23 | Patlabor221 | beef jerkey and CPUs actualy |
| 16:50.32 | Patlabor221 | xxx I think there are issues with the server now |
| 16:50.45 | xxxxxx | can u fix it |
| 16:50.50 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:50.55 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.org seems to be down |
| 16:51.02 | sussudio | nope, having no problems whatsoever here. |
| 16:51.02 | Patlabor221 | as is sourceforge |
| 16:51.06 | Patlabor221 | realy |
| 16:51.10 | Patlabor221 | I can't get thu ether |
| 16:51.11 | sussudio | ofcourse i'm using a local mirror for the list |
| 16:51.14 | Patlabor221 | SF is moving stuff |
| 16:51.24 | xxxxxx | that bAS... |
| 16:51.25 | Patlabor221 | so that may be why there servers are down |
| 16:51.41 | Patlabor221 | xxx don't wory it will come back when they are done moving stuff. |
| 16:51.44 | sussudio | listhttp://10.10.10.5/bzf.htm |
| 16:51.45 | sussudio | bzflist://204.228.134.186:5156/ |
| 16:51.48 | sussudio | works fine for me. |
| 16:52.00 | *** join/#bzflag EvilSeed (~409c2125@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 16:52.00 | sussudio | just put the list somewhere else. |
| 16:52.16 | xxxxxx | u can go on the server but it when u go find server it wont |
| 16:52.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think there should be a number of places for it |
| 16:52.47 | EvilSeed | hell |
| 16:52.49 | EvilSeed | o |
| 16:52.51 | Patlabor221 | yes the website that hosts the name of the list server is down |
| 16:53.45 | Patlabor221 | there should be a number of trys to difrent places that it should try |
| 16:54.11 | Patlabor221 | it should also cache the last known good list serv. |
| 16:54.52 | sussudio | just replace the location of the listserver with something else |
| 16:55.08 | Patlabor221 | in the code? |
| 16:55.13 | sussudio | no |
| 16:55.14 | Patlabor221 | he can't build |
| 16:55.16 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 16:55.23 | sussudio | in your bzflagrc |
| 16:55.28 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 16:55.33 | sussudio | list http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bzflag/bzf.htm |
| 16:59.40 | jzaun | Patlabor221: can your BZEdit move blocks around with the mouse? |
| 17:01.04 | Patlabor221 | 1.52 can |
| 17:01.10 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 17:01.19 | jzaun | sorta/ |
| 17:01.22 | jzaun | ? |
| 17:01.23 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 17:01.39 | *** join/#bzflag xxxxx (~d80884db@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 17:01.43 | jzaun | expain sorta... I may install wine to use it if it does :-) |
| 17:01.53 | Patlabor221 | I just maped the mouse axes to world axes so it dosn't work well in some views |
| 17:02.01 | Patlabor221 | it don't work in wine |
| 17:02.05 | Patlabor221 | or so I am told |
| 17:02.18 | xxxxx | is there a site that i can go to that has the servers names |
| 17:02.54 | xxxxx | k |
| 17:02.57 | xxxxx | how |
| 17:03.05 | xxxxx | ? |
| 17:03.12 | Patlabor221 | use the mesage window not the main window and I will tell you |
| 17:03.31 | xxxxx | k |
| 17:06.15 | sussudio | bzedit32 doesnt work properly under wine |
| 17:06.31 | sussudio | cant load maps. |
| 17:06.55 | Patlabor221 | wonder what it dosn't like |
| 17:07.03 | xxxxx | it says cant open list |
| 17:07.25 | xxxxx | yea |
| 17:07.28 | Patlabor221 | xxxx can you please get a real IRC client |
| 17:07.34 | sussudio | for some reason it wanted to access my A: drive and quit when it couldnt |
| 17:07.43 | jzaun | sussudio: oh :-( |
| 17:08.13 | xxxxx | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bzflag/bzf.htm> is what i put in |
| 17:08.53 | Patlabor221 | it should not hve a > at the end |
| 17:12.11 | xxxxx | k it works |
| 17:12.12 | xxxxx | thx |
| 17:12.22 | Patlabor221 | please get a real IRC cloent |
| 17:16.45 | jzaun | anyone know the addr to gerbils webring page? |
| 17:20.09 | ak|ra | ibot: ducati |
| 17:20.09 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:20.10 | bzbot | |||Cow||| (G): -1 (7-8). Gen. Rommel (R): 1 (8-7). @@ (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 17:21.19 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~ah@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 17:21.56 | sussudio | "gerbils webring" sounds like something kinky |
| 17:22.24 | *** join/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@0-1pool62-141.nas24.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 17:24.51 | sussudio | ok, who's here cause the list wont work? |
| 17:24.53 | Skipp | me |
| 17:24.54 | Skipp | server list right |
| 17:24.54 | sussudio | yup. |
| 17:24.56 | sussudio | do you know how to edit your bzflagrc? |
| 17:25.05 | Skipp | i like that map program even tho i can't run a server |
| 17:25.15 | Skipp | edit? |
| 17:25.21 | sussudio | uh oh. |
| 17:25.34 | Patlabor221 | for windows people it's in the my docs folder |
| 17:25.39 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.bzc |
| 17:25.47 | Skipp | i got it running fine |
| 17:26.04 | sussudio | k |
| 17:26.08 | Patlabor221 | you want the map program? |
| 17:26.15 | Patlabor221 | windows or leeeenox? |
| 17:26.25 | sussudio | no he has it |
| 17:26.32 | Patlabor221 | ahh got it |
| 17:26.40 | sussudio | the one with the broken bases though |
| 17:26.40 | Skipp | to bad my internet is too slow to run a server |
| 17:26.50 | Patlabor221 | I'm working on it, i'm working on it |
| 17:26.53 | Patlabor221 | it's almost done |
| 17:27.02 | Patlabor221 | had to change a lot |
| 17:27.09 | Patlabor221 | just ot get it working again |
| 17:27.20 | Skipp | how fast should your internet be to run a server |
| 17:27.35 | Patlabor221 | how many people do you want to be on it at the same time? |
| 17:27.43 | Skipp | 10 or less |
| 17:28.00 | Patlabor221 | I think it uses about a dialup per user. |
| 17:28.18 | Patlabor221 | so for that I would say 1/2 a t1 |
| 17:28.20 | Skipp | so around 256k |
| 17:28.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:28.32 | Patlabor221 | ,min |
| 17:28.34 | Patlabor221 | 512 would be better |
| 17:28.36 | sussudio | a t1 is 1536mbit isnt it |
| 17:28.39 | Skipp | i wish i chould get dsl |
| 17:28.40 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:28.46 | Skipp | yeah |
| 17:28.50 | sussudio | so half a t1 is 768 |
| 17:28.51 | Patlabor221 | dsl is usaly only 128 up |
| 17:28.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah I was off by a lot |
| 17:29.03 | Patlabor221 | I was being safe :) |
| 17:29.05 | Skipp | i heard satellite isn't good for gaming |
| 17:29.09 | Skipp | right |
| 17:29.12 | Patlabor221 | no laggy bitches |
| 17:29.14 | sussudio | so basically you need 'business class' DSL |
| 17:29.14 | Skipp | to much latency |
| 17:29.19 | *** join/#bzflag yoyox (yoyox@big.taken.jp) |
| 17:29.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:29.28 | sussudio | cable servers usually suck |
| 17:29.29 | Patlabor221 | I can get 256k up dsl here for an extra 10 a month |
| 17:29.36 | Skipp | my neighboorhood is just too old |
| 17:29.36 | Patlabor221 | they are variable |
| 17:29.44 | Patlabor221 | due to trafic |
| 17:29.54 | Skipp | they haven't expanded dsl to our area yet |
| 17:30.02 | Patlabor221 | ~bzedit |
| 17:30.02 | | it has been said that bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz, or http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 17:30.21 | Skipp | anyone know what is wrong with the server list |
| 17:30.29 | Patlabor221 | sourceforge is down |
| 17:30.33 | Patlabor221 | moving stuff |
| 17:30.34 | Skipp | ah |
| 17:30.42 | sussudio | if you can find you bzflag.bzc, you can temporarily fix it |
| 17:30.45 | Patlabor221 | you can get in if you change your list serv address to an alternite |
| 17:30.50 | Skipp | yeah i haven't been there in awhile and it changed a lot |
| 17:31.17 | Patlabor221 | hmm what should I call the next bz edit |
| 17:31.19 | Patlabor221 | 1.6? |
| 17:31.27 | Skipp | how long do you think it will take to be fixed |
| 17:31.34 | sussudio | 1.53eargh9 |
| 17:31.48 | Patlabor221 | it should have fixed draging and a better link interface. |
| 17:32.04 | Skipp | no the server list |
| 17:32.23 | Patlabor221 | and maybe simple groups |
| 17:33.52 | Patlabor221 | when ever SF finishes it's stuff |
| 17:34.20 | Skipp | anyone seen quol lately |
| 17:34.36 | Widget | ibot: seen quol |
| 17:34.36 | | Widget: i haven't seen 'quol' |
| 17:34.44 | Skipp | guess not |
| 17:34.49 | Patlabor221 | you don't need to do Ibot: any more |
| 17:34.53 | Patlabor221 | just ~ |
| 17:34.54 | Skipp | how is kentucky widget |
| 17:34.57 | Patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 17:34.57 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 17:35.02 | Widget | Huh? |
| 17:35.08 | Widget | Doug is from Kentucky. |
| 17:35.09 | Patlabor221 | widget is in england |
| 17:35.13 | sussudio | Quol Last seen on Nov 17 2002 09:51PM (GMT) at 66.207.0.59:5164. |
| 17:35.57 | Skipp | stupid me |
| 17:36.17 | Skipp | saving brain power for school |
| 17:37.06 | Skipp | ibot: seen nicole |
| 17:37.07 | | i haven't seen 'nicole', Skipp |
| 17:37.20 | sussudio | Skipp Last seen on Nov 17 2002 12:14AM (GMT) at openstreet.com:5155. |
| 17:40.11 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@0-1pool62-141.nas24.thornton1.co.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 17:41.52 | jzaun | YAY :-) :-) SF is back online |
| 17:51.30 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 17:52.04 | bzdoug_ | yah |
| 18:01.16 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~ah@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 18:18.13 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.151) |
| 18:25.05 | bzdoug_ | quick smoke |
| 18:25.45 | paul | bzdoug_: errmmm... i live in ireland, you think i cant deal with rain? :) |
| 18:25.57 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 18:26.41 | paul | LOL |
| 18:27.06 | bzdoug_ | Monkey Fight At The Llama Pyramid |
| 18:27.08 | paul | bzdoug_: you've never seen irish rain have you? buckets of water dont phase me. :) |
| 18:27.09 | bzdoug_ | ... |
| 18:27.32 | bzdoug_ | oooh |
| 18:27.42 | bzdoug_ | I wanna be a beta tester |
| 18:27.51 | Patlabor221 | what qualifications do you have? |
| 18:27.53 | sussudio | you have something against llamas? |
| 18:28.06 | bzdoug_ | expert beta tester |
| 18:28.12 | jzaun | Patlabor221: can I be a beta tester?? |
| 18:28.13 | Patlabor221 | what have you tested before? |
| 18:28.22 | bzdoug_ | bzedit 1.25 |
| 18:28.28 | bzdoug_ | bzedit 1.52 |
| 18:28.31 | bzdoug_ | whatever |
| 18:28.33 | Patlabor221 | that was a release product |
| 18:28.38 | bzdoug_ | oh really? |
| 18:28.45 | Patlabor221 | a realy shitty release product :) |
| 18:28.50 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:29.15 | Patlabor221 | are you currently emploied by another company in the BZEditor industry? |
| 18:29.24 | sussudio | in the true MS tradition |
| 18:29.36 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:29.37 | Patlabor221 | and/or are you a member of the media? |
| 18:29.41 | *** join/#bzflag proton-elsewhere (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 18:29.41 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:30.00 | bzdoug_ | nah |
| 18:30.04 | jzaun | welcom proton-elsewhere |
| 18:30.07 | Patlabor221 | please list your typical system that wyou would test on? |
| 18:30.12 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: where are you? |
| 18:30.18 | sussudio | what's your slashdot number doug? |
| 18:30.19 | Patlabor221 | he's elsewhere |
| 18:30.20 | proton-elsewhere | elsewhere |
| 18:30.24 | bzdoug_ | elseware! |
| 18:30.30 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:30.34 | bzdoug_ | a PC |
| 18:30.37 | bzdoug_ | running windows |
| 18:30.41 | bzdoug_ | umm |
| 18:30.47 | bzdoug_ | and a mouse.. and a keyboard... |
| 18:30.53 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: hmm.... not at home? |
| 18:30.54 | Patlabor221 | ohh wer are trully sorry all beta slots are full at this time. |
| 18:31.00 | bzdoug_ | u huh |
| 18:31.03 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: not at work? |
| 18:31.05 | Patlabor221 | we will keep your aplication on file |
| 18:31.09 | proton-elsewhere | jzaun: there's a difference between "home" and "home" |
| 18:31.10 | Patlabor221 | thank you for your time. |
| 18:31.11 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: on the moon?? |
| 18:31.14 | proton-elsewhere | right now i am home |
| 18:31.37 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: mom/dad's house home your your place home? |
| 18:31.53 | proton-elsewhere | parents place |
| 18:31.55 | bzdoug_ | grr |
| 18:32.03 | sussudio | so what is it, doug? higher than 600.000? |
| 18:32.12 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: number? |
| 18:32.17 | sussudio | on slashdot. |
| 18:32.19 | bzdoug_ | what "number" |
| 18:32.25 | bzdoug_ | I have a name |
| 18:32.27 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: "beta slots" ? |
| 18:32.28 | bzdoug_ | not a number |
| 18:32.37 | sussudio | you have a numbah. |
| 18:32.53 | bzdoug_ | proton-elsewhere: for thise mythical "drives" Patlabor221 is sending out |
| 18:32.56 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:33.03 | Patlabor221 | yes public beta 1 for BZE 1.6 |
| 18:33.05 | sussudio | http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=doug's_lame_nick_on_slashdot |
| 18:33.38 | bzdoug_ | u huh |
| 18:33.51 | Patlabor221 | don't worry beta 2 will be soon |
| 18:34.08 | bzdoug_ | http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=sussudio_sucks_big_time |
| 18:34.14 | Patlabor221 | inforntonatly we can not deliver beta CDs to PO boxes or rural addresses. |
| 18:34.19 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: hmm, i'm on windows right now, send me a copy |
| 18:34.25 | bzdoug_ | rural? |
| 18:34.32 | bzdoug_ | I am in a CITY! |
| 18:34.43 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 18:34.49 | bzdoug_ | 20 miles |
| 18:34.49 | Patlabor221 | ok cap, here you go. |
| 18:35.03 | Patlabor221 | you activation key will be e-mailed to you. |
| 18:35.07 | jzaun | Patlabor221: no he isn't. He is there |
| 18:35.19 | bzdoug_ | send me a copy and I shall make a doc |
| 18:35.21 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 18:35.26 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: how are you sending it? |
| 18:35.35 | Patlabor221 | please be sure to enter all 32 digits of the acivation code. |
| 18:36.04 | Patlabor221 | I will DCC you the installer |
| 18:36.09 | Patlabor221 | let it run then auto patch |
| 18:36.10 | bzdoug_ | mee too |
| 18:36.12 | sussudio | wtf is Windows Update V4 Control |
| 18:36.14 | Patlabor221 | it may take a while |
| 18:36.23 | Patlabor221 | it is a 160 meg patch. |
| 18:36.38 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: dcc it to my other client |
| 18:36.47 | Patlabor221 | no problem |
| 18:38.03 | sussudio | ~lart microsoft |
| 18:38.14 | Patlabor221 | good thing they don't have one of those |
| 18:39.45 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@216.228.176.248) |
| 18:39.58 | Noodleman | hey |
| 18:40.30 | jzaun | Hey Noodleman |
| 18:40.39 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: are you sending? |
| 18:40.42 | Noodleman | what's up? |
| 18:41.07 | Patlabor221 | ohh you don't read your private messages do you? |
| 18:41.23 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: i can't on the client i'm using at the moment |
| 18:41.29 | Patlabor221 | well crap |
| 18:41.35 | Patlabor221 | not at all? |
| 18:41.47 | proton-elsewhere | nope, would have to use the alt key, and windows uses alt |
| 18:42.02 | Patlabor221 | well get on aim |
| 18:42.09 | Patlabor221 | www.aim.com use aim express |
| 18:42.54 | proton-elsewhere | buh, i'm about to go to dinner anyways |
| 18:42.57 | Patlabor221 | little java thing, won't install anyting |
| 18:43.11 | proton-elsewhere | i'll be able to read them when i return (setting up cygwin here) |
| 18:43.23 | Patlabor221 | see how am I suposed to mess with doug,if you can't read the PM with the info |
| 18:43.45 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: had a chance to look at the platform crashiness? |
| 18:43.53 | Patlabor221 | no I'm still at work |
| 18:44.05 | Patlabor221 | going home in a bout 10 tho |
| 18:44.43 | Patlabor221 | why the hell can't you just install MIRC like everyone else? :) |
| 18:45.06 | proton-elsewhere | MIRC is icky |
| 18:45.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah but it works, and it's your parents PC, not like you use it all the time. |
| 18:46.18 | MrApathyCream | win - xchat? |
| 18:46.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah there is one |
| 18:46.36 | MrApathyCream | works fine |
| 18:46.53 | Patlabor221 | I don't like it cus it dosn't play nice on the second monitor |
| 18:46.56 | proton-elsewhere | when cygwin finishes installing i'll be able to tunnel X apps through ssh and display on a rootless driver |
| 18:47.11 | Patlabor221 | "I will break you!" |
| 18:48.01 | proton-elsewhere | MrApathyCream: porting which? |
| 18:48.13 | MrApathyCream | cache cleanup |
| 18:48.57 | proton-elsewhere | ah |
| 18:49.04 | proton-elsewhere | will do as soon as i return to my room |
| 18:50.27 | Patlabor221 | is a negitive scale valid? |
| 18:51.05 | proton-elsewhere | sheesh |
| 18:51.16 | proton-elsewhere | there's a PACKED board |
| 18:54.48 | jzaun | proton-elsewhere: have a good night |
| 18:57.47 | bzdoug_ | ook |
| 18:58.39 | Noodleman | hey bzdoug_ |
| 18:58.57 | bzdoug_ | greetings and salutations |
| 18:59.44 | Noodleman | whazzup? |
| 19:00.03 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:00.03 | bzdoug_ | nothin |
| 19:00.12 | Noodleman | well, my server is down |
| 19:00.16 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 19:00.17 | Noodleman | not exactly sure why |
| 19:00.39 | bzdoug_ | aliens |
| 19:00.42 | bzdoug_ | a yup |
| 19:00.48 | *** join/#bzflag PatLabor221 (~JeffM@dsl-65-184-182-9.telocity.com) |
| 19:01.00 | PatLabor221 | what? |
| 19:01.14 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:01.16 | bzdoug_ | where? |
| 19:01.23 | PatLabor221 | who? |
| 19:01.28 | Noodleman | why? |
| 19:01.31 | Noodleman | how? |
| 19:01.35 | bzdoug_ | and for what reason? |
| 19:01.36 | PatLabor221 | For how many cokies? |
| 19:01.36 | Noodleman | when? |
| 19:01.45 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:02.30 | Noodleman | ouch :-) |
| 19:02.38 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:02.41 | PatLabor221 | ohh I know there is a copy at work |
| 19:02.48 | bzdoug_ | darn |
| 19:02.49 | Noodleman | if you can't find your source, that could be painful |
| 19:02.52 | bzdoug_ | was gonna say that |
| 19:03.11 | PatLabor221 | ahh little... yellow... zipDisk. |
| 19:03.22 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:03.42 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor2211 (~Patlabor2@dsl-65-184-182-9.telocity.com) |
| 19:03.48 | Patlabor2211 | hey it's a me. |
| 19:04.00 | bzdoug_ | hey, its me! |
| 19:04.10 | Patlabor221 | Mario? |
| 19:04.24 | Patlabor221 | whoa, deja vu |
| 19:04.41 | *** join/#bzflag me (~d0932785@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 19:04.41 | bzdoug_ | hmm, now I need to fix my audio |
| 19:04.45 | bzdoug_ | hey, its me! |
| 19:05.14 | Patlabor221 | yes we know it's you |
| 19:05.20 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl6x199.chesco.com) |
| 19:06.22 | bzdoug_ | me know you are me, no? |
| 19:06.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh stop it |
| 19:06.51 | bzdoug_ | ok, I need to shift my audio track backwards abit in my AVI |
| 19:06.55 | Patlabor221 | now on Jeff's webcam, "A cat licking string" |
| 19:06.58 | bzdoug_ | any neat proggys? |
| 19:07.01 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:07.44 | Patlabor221 | god why does he do that? |
| 19:07.55 | bzdoug_ | link? |
| 19:08.01 | Patlabor221 | lick |
| 19:08.11 | Patlabor221 | the cat licks the cords on the blinds |
| 19:08.15 | Patlabor221 | it's WIERD |
| 19:08.15 | bzdoug_ | link to webcam |
| 19:08.19 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 19:08.31 | Patlabor221 | mysite/webcam.html I think |
| 19:08.36 | bzdoug_ | ahh |
| 19:08.36 | Patlabor221 | but it's over now |
| 19:08.39 | bzdoug_ | ooh |
| 19:08.39 | Patlabor221 | he's spent |
| 19:09.11 | bzdoug_ | WIKI is down |
| 19:09.17 | bzdoug_ | ~bzedit |
| 19:09.17 | | methinks bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz, or http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 19:09.20 | Patlabor221 | lots of things are down |
| 19:10.32 | Patlabor221 | BZE | BZLGE | DAOC alchemy |
| 19:10.32 | bzdoug_ | ooh, 1 kb of space left |
| 19:10.43 | Patlabor221 | they have pills for that doug. |
| 19:14.04 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:14.55 | Patlabor221 | what the hell are you trying to divx? |
| 19:15.11 | bzdoug_ | um |
| 19:15.15 | bzdoug_ | a movie |
| 19:15.36 | Noodleman | he's not divx'ing, he's just rendering stuff with lossless compresstion :-P |
| 19:15.51 | bzdoug_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.53 | bzdoug_ | divxing |
| 19:16.04 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:16.08 | Noodleman | that was a joke |
| 19:16.18 | Noodleman | you do have a history, ya know |
| 19:16.20 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:16.25 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:16.27 | MrApathyCream | 7____1sigh |
| 19:16.39 | bzdoug_ | um |
| 19:16.41 | bzdoug_ | color? |
| 19:16.44 | bzdoug_ | bad bad MrApathyCream |
| 19:17.00 | MrApathyCream | ekg |
| 19:18.34 | Noodleman | anyone ever hear of djbdns? |
| 19:18.42 | MrApathyCream | just now |
| 19:18.49 | Noodleman | *shameless plug for someone else's software* |
| 19:18.57 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:19.11 | Noodleman | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html |
| 19:19.23 | Noodleman | it's the absolute best DNS server suite |
| 19:19.28 | bzdoug_ | u huh |
| 19:19.37 | Noodleman | qmail is the best mail server too |
| 19:19.55 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132d3.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:19.55 | Noodleman | bzfs is **the best** bzflag server |
| 19:19.59 | Noodleman | roflmbo |
| 19:20.01 | bzdoug_ | YEA!!! |
| 19:20.16 | bzdoug_ | its also ***the only*** bzflag server |
| 19:20.23 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:20.34 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 19:20.55 | Patlabor221 | all thoes pathced ones are difrent then the "ofical" one |
| 19:21.02 | Noodleman | and they all operate perfectly with daemontools, which is the best service manager |
| 19:21.07 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:21.09 | bzdoug_ | ooh |
| 19:21.15 | Noodleman | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 19:21.31 | MrApathyCream | <bzdoug_>: 5*shrug* |
| 19:21.58 | Noodleman | did you know there is a cash reward for any security related bug in qmail or djbdns? |
| 19:22.15 | Noodleman | it's gone unclaimed for at least 6 years |
| 19:23.07 | Noodleman | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/guarantee.html |
| 19:23.18 | Noodleman | http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html |
| 19:23.37 | NonToxic | Man that's an awesome domain name |
| 19:23.44 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:24.51 | Noodleman | go ask djb if you can buy it :-) |
| 19:24.51 | Noodleman | he might sell it if you offer him enough |
| 19:24.51 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 19:24.51 | MrApathyCream | NonToxic: heh didn't even notice |
| 19:24.53 | NonToxic | heh |
| 19:25.45 | Noodleman | neither qmail or djbdns have had any security flaws since 1997 |
| 19:25.52 | Noodleman | try that with sendmail or bind |
| 19:26.03 | sussudio | hmm that's about the same time doug changed his pants |
| 19:26.22 | Noodleman | "ma, where's the chisel?!" |
| 19:26.50 | Noodleman | i couldn't help myself :-) |
| 19:27.27 | sussudio | ~help noodleman |
| 19:27.39 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:27.41 | sussudio | yes, that's exactly what i thought, ibot |
| 19:28.15 | MrApathyCream | ibot, primordial ooze? |
| 19:28.15 | | MrApathyCream: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:31.17 | Noodleman | anybody here use qmail? |
| 19:31.55 | bzdoug_ | I never had quail |
| 19:32.01 | bzdoug_ | is it good? |
| 19:32.22 | bzdoug_ | Adventure Of The Cardboard Box, The |
| 19:32.33 | MrApathyCream | join #bzflag |
| 19:32.34 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:32.38 | MrApathyCream | rats |
| 19:32.40 | bzdoug_ | bed time! |
| 19:32.49 | Noodleman | cya |
| 19:33.01 | Noodleman | ok, that's the first time... |
| 19:33.19 | Noodleman | i'm waiting for the second, bzdoug_ |
| 19:34.10 | Noodleman | rats, he actually left on the first away message this time :-) |
| 19:34.38 | Patlabor221 | why is he geting everything in Porno.net? |
| 19:34.41 | sussudio | fixme:commdlg:GetFileName95 Flags 0x00800002 not yet implemented |
| 19:34.41 | sussudio | err:seh:EXC_DefaultHandling Exception frame is not in stack limits => unable to |
| 19:34.41 | sussudio | dispatch exception. |
| 19:34.44 | Noodleman | ok, that's the second time... |
| 19:34.53 | sussudio | that's what i get when i try to open a map with bzedit32 under wine |
| 19:34.54 | Noodleman | wine? |
| 19:35.01 | bzdoug_ | WINE~ |
| 19:35.01 | Noodleman | ok |
| 19:35.18 | MrApathyCream | serves you right for using win95 |
| 19:35.35 | Patlabor221 | wine must emu the 95 call |
| 19:35.35 | sussudio | ~cluebat MrApathyCream |
| 19:35.35 | | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:35.52 | Patlabor221 | I'm just calling the normal CFile.DoModal() |
| 19:36.04 | MrApathyCream | serves you right for using MFC, then |
| 19:36.44 | Patlabor221 | works on real windows plats |
| 19:36.59 | Patlabor221 | but yes I do need to redo it in regualr W32 |
| 19:38.37 | MrApathyCream | atl |
| 19:38.41 | Patlabor221 | wonder if I gave it a default dir, if that would help |
| 19:38.45 | Patlabor221 | ewww ATL is crap |
| 19:39.24 | MrApathyCream | the apache BZEditATL project works tho |
| 19:39.49 | Patlabor221 | edit on a webserv? |
| 19:40.03 | Patlabor221 | hell the linux version of bzedit works |
| 19:40.10 | Patlabor221 | on windows |
| 19:40.16 | Patlabor221 | I mean on linux |
| 19:40.20 | Patlabor221 | and the windows on windows |
| 19:41.18 | Patlabor221 | the same way that my carefully crafted joke floped before too |
| 19:41.29 | MrApathyCream | heh, us programmers just can't laugh |
| 19:41.30 | Patlabor221 | must not be a good "joke" day |
| 19:41.35 | Patlabor221 | I guess so |
| 19:43.20 | Patlabor221 | mmmm garlic pasta :) |
| 19:43.32 | Noodleman | ooo, that sounds good |
| 19:43.46 | Noodleman | i want some garlic pizza |
| 19:43.47 | Patlabor221 | with chicken :) |
| 19:44.18 | Noodleman | i like this one greek pizza that has feta cheese and kalamata olives and stuff |
| 19:44.29 | Noodleman | my mom says it smells like a sewer |
| 19:44.35 | Noodleman | or bad feet |
| 19:44.41 | MrApathyCream | does mom know doug? |
| 19:44.52 | Patlabor221 | proalbly |
| 19:44.54 | Noodleman | ?? |
| 19:47.42 | MrApathyCream | snappy |
| 19:48.11 | Patlabor221 | and you can have each map item be a character. |
| 19:48.17 | Patlabor221 | like a "level 4 box" |
| 19:48.47 | sussudio | you could make an annoying little worm that deletes boxes called "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" |
| 19:49.04 | Patlabor221 | or any variation there of |
| 19:49.49 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if I shold hide the floor if you are looking at the world from below Z |
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| 19:59.41 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : yes |
| 20:04.18 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:04.26 | Patlabor221 | well crap now the walls arn't drawing :( |
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| 20:30.49 | Lazarus | wie gehts |
| 20:48.59 | proton-elsewhere | Patlabor221: fixed lge-port yet? |
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| 20:50.46 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:50.48 | Patlabor2221 | and nope |
| 20:51.23 | Patlabor2221 | wondering why snv is screwing up on my machine now |
| 20:52.13 | Patlabor2221 | tho I think I may have just fixed it |
| 20:52.28 | proton-elsewhere | fixed svn or lge-port? |
| 20:52.34 | Patlabor2221 | svn |
| 20:53.05 | Patlabor2221 | it got funky when I svn up'ed |
| 20:53.15 | Patlabor2221 | just had to blow it all out |
| 20:55.52 | proton-elsewhere | well i think i'm gonna take off, back to the room |
| 20:56.01 | Patlabor2221 | ok |
| 20:56.08 | Patlabor2221 | I'm commiting DSW changes now |
| 20:56.22 | Patlabor2221 | wiht "funcomments (TM)" |
| 21:01.48 | Patlabor2221 | dude cap: it's craping out in places like oglTexture |
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| 21:08.46 | sussudio | well, the flaginfo is fixed in cvs.... except now the bottom of the message box overlaps the input line (where you send messages from) |
| 21:10.46 | Patlabor2221 | I can't see how this even works on linux |
| 21:15.08 | sussudio | ibot call cap |
| 21:15.08 | | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:15.48 | Patlabor2221 | better in the bean bag |
| 21:16.11 | sussudio | that LSD mode in cvs is freaky |
| 21:16.29 | sussudio | "depth complexity" |
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| 21:20.06 | NonToxic | sussudio: ibot is now useless. |
| 21:20.25 | Patlabor2221 | how so? |
| 21:20.37 | NonToxic | or pretty damn close. |
| 21:20.43 | NonToxic | like they added a zillion bogus features |
| 21:20.53 | NonToxic | and took out some useful ones (notably, seen doesn't work) |
| 21:20.53 | Patlabor2221 | it's a difrent bot base |
| 21:20.55 | NonToxic | I know |
| 21:20.58 | NonToxic | it's useless |
| 21:21.05 | NonToxic | ibot seen bzflag |
| 21:21.05 | | i haven't seen 'bzflag', NonToxic |
| 21:21.11 | NonToxic | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 21:21.11 | | NonToxic: i haven't seen 'bzflag' |
| 21:21.15 | NonToxic | thank you |
| 21:21.19 | NonToxic | case in point |
| 21:21.22 | sussudio | ~seen my keys |
| 21:21.22 | | sussudio: i haven't seen 'my keys' |
| 21:21.29 | NonToxic | ibot seen proton-elsewhere |
| 21:21.29 | | proton-elsewhere is currently on #bzflag (2h 51m 51s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 25m 37s |
| 21:21.34 | NonToxic | ok |
| 21:21.34 | Patlabor2221 | yeah it does seem not be saving it's stuff |
| 21:22.56 | NonToxic | ibot seen me? |
| 21:22.56 | | i haven't seen 'me', NonToxic |
| 21:22.56 | NonToxic | ibot being laggy |
| 21:22.56 | | NonToxic: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:22.57 | Patlabor2221 | wow |
| 21:22.58 | Patlabor2221 | ok he's a suckin now |
| 21:23.08 | Patlabor2221 | cap: it's all funky |
| 21:23.14 | NonToxic | --- Ping reply from ibot : 12.03 second(s) |
| 21:23.37 | *** topic/#bzflag by NonToxic -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired || THE LIST SERVER IS DOWN! (bzdoug_) || We beg of you! Go back to infobot BZFlag! |
| 21:23.57 | Patlabor2221 | cap: anything that calls a glGet(whatever) is fialing |
| 21:24.06 | Patlabor2221 | it's like the context isn't created yet |
| 21:24.37 | captain_proton | strange |
| 21:24.57 | captain_proton | i had that problem when i wasn't setting the resolution to "640x480-24-fs" in that call but it should work fine now |
| 21:25.30 | Patlabor2221 | I blew out my entire folder |
| 21:25.37 | Patlabor2221 | CO'ed again |
| 21:25.46 | Patlabor2221 | changed the DSP so it would compile |
| 21:25.57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:26.17 | Patlabor2221 | and all kinds of stuff is NULL or some very large number |
| 21:26.17 | captain_proton | possible the call is failing? |
| 21:26.42 | captain_proton | well a lot of the stuff in the win platform code should be uninitialized because i removed the create calls |
| 21:27.13 | Patlabor2221 | yes I see that |
| 21:27.19 | Patlabor2221 | I fixed those |
| 21:27.24 | Patlabor2221 | so they will work with null |
| 21:27.37 | captain_proton | where else are you seeing nulls? |
| 21:27.39 | Patlabor2221 | but like glGetString(GL_RENDER) |
| 21:27.46 | Patlabor2221 | all the strings |
| 21:27.59 | Patlabor2221 | the place where it gets the max texture size |
| 21:28.21 | Patlabor2221 | initing the controll panel, cus it things the screen is -1 high in y |
| 21:28.27 | Patlabor2221 | that's as far as I went |
| 21:36.16 | captain_proton | ohh screen -1 height i fixed |
| 21:38.48 | Patlabor2221 | well looky that |
| 21:38.50 | Patlabor2221 | constructor |
| 21:38.54 | Patlabor2221 | for LGE |
| 21:39.10 | Patlabor2221 | you have initresolutions (640x480) |
| 21:39.14 | Patlabor2221 | needs a 24 in there |
| 21:39.42 | Patlabor2221 | pray for me, I'm going on line with it |
| 21:40.16 | Patlabor2221 | no sound |
| 21:40.39 | Patlabor2221 | but yes it's working |
| 21:40.59 | Patlabor2221 | how do I undo changes I've made with svn? |
| 21:42.13 | captain_proton | to undo just co |
| 21:42.19 | captain_proton | if you need to undo a commit use svn merge |
| 21:42.40 | Patlabor2221 | ok I haven't commited |
| 21:43.03 | Patlabor2221 | actualy looks like it took a crap in commit |
| 21:43.14 | Patlabor2221 | man why does it have to bust on me |
| 21:45.28 | captain_proton | user-bound keys aren't working (other than shot...*scratches head*) |
| 21:46.37 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 22:18.11 | Patlabor2221 | ok cap sound on windows is gonna be busted |
| 22:18.18 | Patlabor2221 | untill it's replaces |
| 22:18.28 | Patlabor2221 | the dsound stuff wants a wind handle |
| 22:18.37 | captain_proton | ah, thats ok with me |
| 22:21.03 | Patlabor2221 | and the stuff for what the current renderer is failing |
| 22:21.23 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 22:21.45 | Patlabor2221 | at least it's name string |
| 22:22.00 | Patlabor2221 | and version |
| 22:22.58 | Patlabor2221 | and the max texture size |
| 22:24.07 | Patlabor2221 | how did you fix the "numlines = 0" thing in controlpannel.cxx? |
| 22:24.42 | captain_proton | ? |
| 22:25.12 | Patlabor2221 | didn'y you say you fixed the thing where the y was -1 |
| 22:25.30 | Patlabor2221 | wierd it won't run anymore |
| 22:25.32 | Patlabor2221 | it ran once |
| 22:25.38 | Patlabor2221 | now just poof |
| 22:26.09 | captain_proton | oh that |
| 22:26.21 | captain_proton | in lge i was setting winX= then winX= again instead of winY= |
| 22:26.32 | Patlabor2221 | then this is difrent |
| 22:26.40 | Patlabor2221 | in the CPanel render |
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| 22:26.55 | Patlabor2221 | look for assert(y >= 0) |
| 22:27.01 | Patlabor2221 | i'm hiting that |
| 22:27.25 | Patlabor2221 | MessageAreaPixels is JACKED |
| 22:27.57 | captain_proton | this is bizzare, i'm not running into any of this |
| 22:28.19 | Patlabor2221 | perhaps there are difrences between windows and lin SDL implementations |
| 22:28.44 | captain_proton | shouldn't be |
| 22:29.19 | Patlabor2221 | unless I have oddness |
| 22:29.23 | Patlabor2221 | has MAC tried it? |
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| 23:23.52 | MrApathyCream | doobeedoo |
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| 23:44.13 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired || THE LIST SERVER IS DOWN! (bzdoug_) || We beg of you! Go back to infobot BZFlag! |
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