| 00:00.07 | scanline | ha |
| 00:00.52 | PatLabor221 | and they wonder why it returns 0 |
| 00:01.00 | PatLabor221 | I should have made it return 3 or someting |
| 00:01.04 | captain_proton | woo, i should be getting a shelled out laptop in a week or so :) |
| 00:01.05 | PatLabor221 | like my birthday |
| 00:01.21 | PatLabor221 | cus it's just as right as 0 |
| 00:01.32 | scanline | return 0x1D107; |
| 00:01.40 | PatLabor221 | they don't see hex |
| 00:01.46 | PatLabor221 | it's all doubles |
| 00:01.54 | scanline | well damn, you can't spell IDIOT without hex |
| 00:02.02 | PatLabor221 | not even a real API |
| 00:02.16 | scanline | return 666; |
| 00:02.25 | PatLabor221 | the division of the beast |
| 00:02.30 | PatLabor221 | 1/666 |
| 00:02.37 | PatLabor221 | or is that the inverse beast |
| 00:03.00 | PatLabor221 | where was that page that had the variations of 666 |
| 00:03.11 | PatLabor221 | like 665.98 the beast on clearance |
| 00:03.54 | PatLabor221 | 660 |
| 00:03.55 | PatLabor221 | Approximate number of the Beast |
| 00:04.03 | PatLabor221 | 666.0000 |
| 00:04.04 | PatLabor221 | Number of the High Precision Beast |
| 00:04.07 | PatLabor221 | 666.0000 |
| 00:04.08 | PatLabor221 | Number of the High Precision Beast |
| 00:04.12 | PatLabor221 | 0.666 |
| 00:04.13 | PatLabor221 | Number of the Millibeast |
| 00:04.21 | scanline | 600.000 <-- a statistician's beast |
| 00:04.24 | PatLabor221 | 1010011010 |
| 00:04.24 | PatLabor221 | Binary of the Beast |
| 00:04.33 | PatLabor221 | (-666) ^ (1/2) |
| 00:04.34 | PatLabor221 | Imaginary number of the Beast |
| 00:04.40 | PatLabor221 | $665.95 |
| 00:04.40 | PatLabor221 | Retail price of the Beast |
| 00:04.45 | PatLabor221 | $699.25 |
| 00:04.45 | PatLabor221 | Price of the Beast plus 5% state sales tax |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | $769.95 |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | Price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | $656.66 |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | Walmart price of the Beast |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | $646.66 |
| 00:04.53 | PatLabor221 | Next week's Walmart price of the Beast |
| 00:05.15 | scanline | 0x666 |
| 00:05.24 | PatLabor221 | 1232 Octal, Apt. 29A |
| 00:05.24 | PatLabor221 | Beast's hexed address |
| 00:05.32 | PatLabor221 | 665.9997856 |
| 00:05.33 | PatLabor221 | The Number of the Beast on a Pentium |
| 00:05.43 | PatLabor221 | and this one |
| 00:05.43 | PatLabor221 | 333 |
| 00:05.43 | PatLabor221 | The semi-Christ |
| 00:05.48 | scanline | argh, bastard beating me to the hex joke! |
| 00:06.06 | MrApathyCream | :) pentium |
| 00:06.10 | PatLabor221 | 667 Number of the Beast's Younger Sister |
| 00:06.18 | PatLabor221 | 999 Number of the Australian Beast |
| 00:06.26 | MrApathyCream | 696? |
| 00:06.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: eventually you'll get one of those newfangled things? |
| 00:06.30 | PatLabor221 | X / 666 Beast Common Denominator |
| 00:06.41 | PatLabor221 | 25.8069758... Square Root of the Beast |
| 00:06.42 | MrApathyCream | ventually |
| 00:06.56 | PatLabor221 | 2.8235 Log of the Beast |
| 00:07.10 | PatLabor221 | $55.50 Monthly Payments for Beast, in 12 easy installments |
| 00:07.33 | PatLabor221 | and that is all I shall subject you to |
| 00:09.43 | captain_proton | hmm, someone should make bzlge search for resolutions in alternate colordepths |
| 00:10.06 | scanline | bzlge? |
| 00:10.18 | PatLabor221 | or allways set them to 1600x1200 32 bit |
| 00:10.24 | PatLabor221 | the way it was meant to be played |
| 00:10.36 | PatLabor221 | cap it's bzblge |
| 00:11.23 | captain_proton | scanline: the bastardized version of LGE i'm working into bz |
| 00:11.37 | scanline | and LGE is your new game framework doodad? |
| 00:11.45 | PatLabor221 | sorta |
| 00:11.57 | PatLabor221 | sdl based gl setup thingy |
| 00:12.11 | scanline | hmmkay |
| 00:13.04 | captain_proton | the framework has a number of other parts |
| 00:13.09 | captain_proton | texture manager, sound manager... |
| 00:13.17 | captain_proton | panel manager :) |
| 00:14.20 | PatLabor221 | that it does |
| 00:14.20 | PatLabor221 | techialy it has a net manager that supports TCP and UDP as well |
| 00:14.20 | PatLabor221 | but cap has never seen it |
| 00:14.31 | PatLabor221 | oh and don't forget our favorate CTime |
| 00:14.43 | PatLabor221 | should have called it TimeManager |
| 00:14.45 | scanline | <gasp> |
| 00:14.50 | scanline | MFC naming conventions? |
| 00:15.01 | PatLabor221 | well it's not called CTime |
| 00:15.12 | PatLabor221 | can't do that or it shits |
| 00:15.17 | scanline | class TimeThingy; |
| 00:15.28 | captain_proton | i think it ended up being called CTimer because PatLabor221 likes his MFC |
| 00:15.29 | PatLabor221 | CLGETime I think we called it |
| 00:15.40 | PatLabor221 | hell it wouldn't build otherwise |
| 00:15.59 | PatLabor221 | trust me I am no fan of MFCs Ctime |
| 00:16.10 | captain_proton | eww we did |
| 00:16.18 | PatLabor221 | they all start with C |
| 00:16.25 | captain_proton | (for no real reason at all) |
| 00:16.29 | PatLabor221 | I wrote them |
| 00:16.45 | PatLabor221 | thre is a reason |
| 00:16.48 | PatLabor221 | you just don't like it |
| 00:16.51 | captain_proton | the bz-lge stuff doesn't have any mfc or hungarian notation |
| 00:17.03 | PatLabor221 | hence it's bastard state |
| 00:17.04 | scanline | class bz_lge_time_doodad; |
| 00:17.22 | captain_proton | bz doesn't use the CLGETimerThingy |
| 00:17.33 | PatLabor221 | just wait till I get into that world database :) |
| 00:17.45 | captain_proton | ohh yeah its Timer.h because windows can't distinguish between time.h and Time.h |
| 00:17.46 | PatLabor221 | get rid of all that crappy "we must save a space" formating |
| 00:18.07 | PatLabor221 | and I'll spell everything wrong |
| 00:18.16 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: it would be best if the formatting style matches the rest of bz :P |
| 00:18.20 | scanline | perl -pi -e 's/(C(\w+))/$2/g' `find` |
| 00:21.56 | PatLabor221 | I see no reason that difrent styles can't be used, as long as they are in there own files. |
| 00:22.09 | PatLabor221 | othrewise you'll never get rid of it |
| 00:22.29 | captain_proton | if we're going to go changing styles we should agree on something and stick to it, switching to that style as we clean up stuff |
| 00:22.47 | PatLabor221 | then one should be picked |
| 00:22.50 | captain_proton | people shouldn't have to switch indentation styles every different file |
| 00:22.57 | PatLabor221 | I agree |
| 00:23.01 | PatLabor221 | but what is there now is ugly |
| 00:23.06 | captain_proton | BZFlag: poke |
| 00:23.10 | PatLabor221 | I'm cool with the non hungarian |
| 00:23.19 | PatLabor221 | but I don't like the if (){ things |
| 00:23.48 | PatLabor221 | and the multi line argument stuf |
| 00:23.48 | MrApathyCream | patl agreed, but you never get concensus on that |
| 00:23.55 | PatLabor221 | I know but I can try |
| 00:24.04 | PatLabor221 | just cus they wrote it dosn't make it write |
| 00:24.06 | PatLabor221 | right |
| 00:24.09 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:24.13 | captain_proton | scanline: i agree, 1TBS! |
| 00:24.26 | PatLabor221 | how long ago was that? |
| 00:24.31 | PatLabor221 | wake up and smell the ram :) |
| 00:25.13 | captain_proton | hmm, need a way to pull mouse coordinates from sdl |
| 00:25.21 | PatLabor221 | ohh thre is |
| 00:25.29 | PatLabor221 | check the game loop of XL |
| 00:25.35 | PatLabor221 | it's got functions that do it |
| 00:25.46 | PatLabor221 | ask him about the CPP thing |
| 00:25.56 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: ask him yerself |
| 00:26.02 | BZFlag | not yet. |
| 00:26.05 | PatLabor221 | he likes you better :) |
| 00:26.14 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:26.15 | BZFlag | need to solve the gmake issue. it likes .cxx |
| 00:26.28 | PatLabor221 | cap get to fixing that |
| 00:26.28 | captain_proton | this is for irix? :P |
| 00:26.56 | PatLabor221 | make a script that renames them all just for irix :) |
| 00:27.03 | PatLabor221 | builds |
| 00:27.07 | PatLabor221 | then puts them bacl |
| 00:27.16 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:27.33 | PatLabor221 | and have it echo "stupid rename pass" |
| 00:27.46 | MrApathyCream | foo.cpp --> #include "foo.cxx" |
| 00:27.49 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what about a cleaner indentation style? thoughts? |
| 00:27.49 | PatLabor221 | will LGE even work in irix? |
| 00:27.58 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: ought to, SDL runs |
| 00:28.53 | PatLabor221 | why dosn't irix like cpp? |
| 00:28.57 | PatLabor221 | is it just an old compiler? |
| 00:29.41 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can't .cxx be solved by writing out the implicit rule? |
| 00:29.49 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: old 'make' |
| 00:30.02 | PatLabor221 | can it be updated? |
| 00:30.28 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:30.36 | PatLabor221 | how nasty |
| 00:31.32 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yes, but it's not at present. |
| 00:32.02 | PatLabor221 | they deliver that late? |
| 00:32.09 | scanline | heck yeah |
| 00:32.11 | scanline | up to 3AM |
| 00:32.23 | scanline | only 00:34 here now |
| 00:32.25 | PatLabor221 | ah to live in a college town |
| 00:32.35 | PatLabor221 | yeah you are just an hour ahead of me |
| 00:32.45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: indentation? :P |
| 00:35.09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i dunno, i like p |
| 00:35.30 | MrApathyCream | didn't know it switched |
| 00:37.27 | BZFlag | if we rearange everything, I'd like to make everything lower case. |
| 00:37.48 | captain_proton | everything everywhere? |
| 00:38.03 | BZFlag | the #include "MyHaCkEr.H" thing from windows users drives me crazy. |
| 00:38.17 | BZFlag | filenames. yes. |
| 00:38.24 | captain_proton | ahh filenames, i can handle that |
| 00:38.35 | PatLabor221 | what about the if (){ stuff? |
| 00:38.38 | BZFlag | well... source nameds. README and Makefile can stay if they like. |
| 00:38.38 | captain_proton | i thought you were meaning longstringsofwordsalllowercaseinthesourcecode |
| 00:39.00 | BZFlag | so variable names can stay. |
| 00:39.00 | scanline | underscores_are_allowed_in_identifiers_for_a_reason |
| 00:39.25 | BZFlag | LongStringsWithCapFirstLettersAreOKWithMe. |
| 00:39.37 | captain_proton | StudlyCaps, one could even say |
| 00:39.44 | scanline | maybe_i_am_just_old_fashioned |
| 00:39.45 | BZFlag | or is that OkWithMe? |
| 00:40.22 | scanline | WikiWikiCaptialization |
| 00:40.55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how about indentation and brace alignment? 2-char shiftwidth with 8-char tabstop? :) |
| 00:41.32 | PatLabor221 | why can't tabs be left as tabs? and not made into spaces? |
| 00:43.24 | MrApathyCream | boo on 2 |
| 00:43.36 | MrApathyCream | 4 tabs left as tabs |
| 00:44.03 | captain_proton | 4-space tabstop & shiftwidth? |
| 00:44.03 | PatLabor221 | makeing them spaces make adding new code a pain |
| 00:44.19 | captain_proton | (yay for religious arguments) |
| 00:44.21 | scanline | bah, spaces are more portable |
| 00:44.30 | PatLabor221 | so |
| 00:44.33 | scanline | any editor that's worth using will automatically indent whether you use spaces or tabs |
| 00:44.35 | PatLabor221 | if they can't take a tab |
| 00:44.40 | PatLabor221 | hell it's the 21'st centure |
| 00:44.59 | PatLabor221 | it just seems silly |
| 00:45.02 | scanline | PatLabor221: no, the problem is that tabs may be different sizes in different editors, so things won't necessarily line up |
| 00:45.16 | PatLabor221 | I can see that |
| 00:45.38 | PatLabor221 | uniform tab spacing for the world !!!! :) |
| 00:45.58 | PatLabor221 | but even that dosn't bug me as much as the if (){ |
| 00:45.58 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: yup |
| 00:45.59 | PatLabor221 | thing |
| 00:46.02 | PatLabor221 | } |
| 00:46.03 | scanline | redhat should be coming out with that as soon as they release vimacs 15.0 |
| 00:46.29 | scanline | PatLabor221: is it the spacing or the brace location that bugs you about that? :) |
| 00:46.40 | PatLabor221 | the brace location |
| 00:46.41 | captain_proton | should be if() { |
| 00:46.50 | PatLabor221 | should be if() |
| 00:46.51 | PatLabor221 | thing |
| 00:46.53 | PatLabor221 | or |
| 00:46.54 | scanline | if () { |
| 00:46.56 | PatLabor221 | if() |
| 00:46.56 | PatLabor221 | { |
| 00:46.57 | PatLabor221 | thing |
| 00:47.00 | PatLabor221 | thing |
| 00:47.01 | PatLabor221 | } |
| 00:47.21 | PatLabor221 | the brace on the same line as the if makes for harder reading |
| 00:47.33 | PatLabor221 | at least for me |
| 00:47.50 | PatLabor221 | I know you all use PrintF's and stuff |
| 00:48.04 | scanline | egads, he capitalized a printf! |
| 00:48.05 | scanline | :) |
| 00:48.15 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: i can't find docs on the SDL mouse state stuff |
| 00:48.15 | PatLabor221 | but those of us that use new fangled interactive debugers like to be able to follow our code :) |
| 00:48.33 | PatLabor221 | did I not put it in XL? |
| 00:48.38 | captain_proton | you did |
| 00:48.44 | scanline | PatLabor221: I actually find it easier to read with the brace at the end, but it's all personal taste |
| 00:49.00 | captain_proton | but whats the difference between SDL_GetMouseState() and SDL_GetRelativeMouseState() ? |
| 00:49.21 | PatLabor221 | mouse state stops at the edge of the screen |
| 00:49.27 | PatLabor221 | and is an absolute pos |
| 00:49.45 | PatLabor221 | relitive is just a roll distance from the last pooled point |
| 00:49.48 | captain_proton | ohh right |
| 00:49.54 | scanline | "x and y are set to the change in the mouse position since the last call to SDL_GetRelativeMouseState or since event initialization" |
| 00:49.54 | PatLabor221 | or at least that's how I remmfber it |
| 00:50.00 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 00:50.01 | scanline | http://sdldoc.csn.ul.ie/sdlgetrelativemousestate.php |
| 00:50.39 | captain_proton | scanline: poo, its not linked from the index |
| 00:51.02 | PatLabor221 | and mac handles |
| 00:51.52 | PatLabor221 | cap: I shall try to map out the world db stuff tomrow |
| 00:51.56 | PatLabor221 | see you all later |
| 00:54.44 | captain_proton | hmm with LGE we'll finally be able to iconify on non-windows platforms |
| 00:55.20 | scanline | What's an icon? |
| 00:56.08 | captain_proton | scanline: i dunno, its just the terminology SDL uses |
| 00:56.14 | scanline | oh |
| 00:56.27 | scanline | well if SDL uses it, it mest be good |
| 00:59.08 | MrApathyCream | harhar |
| 00:59.32 | MrApathyCream | so did we ever decide what and when is e8? |
| 00:59.34 | scanline | As soon as I finish pgserver |
| 00:59.50 | captain_proton | scanline: when will that be? |
| 00:59.57 | captain_proton | a couple hours maybe? |
| 01:00.11 | scanline | nah, I don't have enough coffee for that |
| 01:00.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i don't think so |
| 01:00.30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: poke |
| 01:00.38 | scanline | though every time I hang out in here I get the urge to do some OpenGL hacking :P |
| 01:02.59 | captain_proton | we will corrupt you |
| 01:03.14 | captain_proton | before you know it, you'll be talking about flag this and scene renderer that |
| 01:04.30 | captain_proton | perhaps once i have my disk array and my computerized music stand finished |
| 01:04.41 | captain_proton | and remote, and jetstream too |
| 01:05.00 | scanline | will that be in a few hours? |
| 01:05.27 | captain_proton | maybe by this time next year |
| 01:11.48 | scanline | you... you... optimist! |
| 01:12.29 | MrApathyCream | there you go poking him again |
| 01:13.03 | MrApathyCream | he's soon gonna like patlabor more |
| 01:13.22 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:24.24 | captain_proton | hmm, next task is to rewrite the event loop for sdl...hmm |
| 01:32.20 | ak|ra | moin |
| 01:32.20 | captain_proton | 'lo ak|ra |
| 01:48.38 | Cell | ibot seen bzdouggg |
| 01:48.38 | | bzdouggg is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 4h 29m 28s |
| 01:49.40 | [dmp] | ibot dicati |
| 01:49.40 | | [dmp]: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:49.46 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 01:49.46 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 01:49.48 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 02:30.21 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 02:30.21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 02:30.23 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 02:37.31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: heh @ 'd' :) |
| 04:14.24 | bomber | hello hello |
| 04:14.53 | bomber | Pinguin: i have it :o) |
| 04:15.01 | [dmp] | hi bomber |
| 04:15.54 | bomber | hi dmp |
| 04:16.02 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 04:16.02 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:16.04 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 04:20.41 | Pinguin | gnomemeeting bomber? |
| 04:20.46 | BZFlag | ibot bzflist |
| 04:21.27 | Pinguin | bomber: cau matuso ,tak si jej to najdal? |
| 05:12.28 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 05:12.28 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:12.30 | bzbot | zonk (R): 14 (41-27). dok (G): -4 (14-18). Rhomboid (R): -1 (0-1). tai (G): -35 (49-84). beldin (G): -6 (30-36). |
| 05:21.50 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 05:21.50 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:21.51 | bzbot | zonk (R): 19 (63-44). dok (G): -13 (29-42). tai (R): 1 (19-18). calico (G): 3 (9-6). beldin (G): -9 (43-52). Silver Bullet (R): -1 (2-3). sergios (R): 1 (1-0). |
| 05:22.34 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 05:22.34 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:22.35 | bzbot | zonk (R): 18 (64-46). dok (G): -15 (30-45). tai (R): 4 (23-19). calico (G): 1 (12-11). beldin (G): -9 (45-54). Silver Bullet (R): -1 (5-6). sergios (R): 0 (1-1). |
| 05:39.05 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 05:39.05 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:39.06 | bzbot | Riggs (R): -12 (17-29). Target1 (G): -3 (3-6). zonk (G): -1 (1-2). calico (G): 9 (43-34). sergios (R): -4 (0-4). [dmp] (G): 16 (38-22). Rincewind (R): 2 (28-26). |
| 06:42.32 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 06:42.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 06:42.34 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 06:51.08 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 06:51.08 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 06:51.10 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 07:42.26 | bzdouggg | grrr |
| 07:42.31 | Cell | hi |
| 07:42.34 | bzdouggg | how does water work? |
| 07:42.40 | bzdouggg | I cant make it show up |
| 07:42.47 | Cell | what water? |
| 07:42.53 | bzdouggg | in 3dsmax |
| 07:43.04 | Cell | i duno |
| 07:43.07 | bzdouggg | hrm |
| 07:43.17 | Cell | u have it |
| 07:43.22 | Cell | runing |
| 07:43.24 | bzdouggg | a yup |
| 07:43.24 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 07:43.28 | Cell | cool |
| 07:43.32 | bzdouggg | very neat |
| 07:43.38 | Cell | yes |
| 07:46.00 | Cell | captain_proton:u have banned all *@t-dialin.net users!? |
| 07:46.07 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 07:46.17 | bzdouggg | bad bad captain_proton |
| 07:46.41 | Cell | yes what did the CellBot done that bad |
| 07:47.00 | bzdouggg | dunno |
| 07:47.04 | bzdouggg | kept talkin |
| 07:47.09 | Cell | :) |
| 07:47.50 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 07:48.02 | Chestal | that's not an invitation for the bot, though |
| 07:48.11 | Cell | k, thanks |
| 07:48.45 | bzdouggg | bah, silly thing wont eccept my authoraztion code |
| 07:51.02 | bzdouggg | 'lo Widgeteer! |
| 08:12.03 | strayer | hi... |
| 08:12.08 | bzdouggg | ...ih |
| 08:12.36 | bzdouggg | ~hi |
| 08:12.36 | | bzdouggg: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:12.40 | bzdouggg | ~hello |
| 08:12.40 | | Howdy Bub |
| 08:12.51 | bzdouggg | ~shut up |
| 08:12.51 | | sugar quote OKFA |
| 08:13.01 | bzdouggg | LOLOLO>O> |
| 08:13.34 | strayer | ... |
| 08:13.42 | bzdouggg | ... |
| 08:14.55 | strayer | bzdouggg...U R not very creative... :) |
| 08:15.04 | bzdouggg | nooope |
| 08:15.09 | strayer | I C |
| 08:15.29 | bzdouggg | BRAAAAAAAP! |
| 08:15.36 | bzdouggg | indeed |
| 08:16.20 | strayer | lalala |
| 08:16.30 | bzdouggg | alalal |
| 08:16.40 | strayer | oh...nice idea... |
| 08:16.56 | bzdouggg | ...aedi ecin... ho |
| 08:17.22 | strayer | now its boring.... |
| 08:18.30 | bzdouggg | onay itway isntway, ayorstray isthay isway unfay! |
| 08:19.27 | strayer | hm.............? |
| 09:02.33 | bzdouggg | booyea, perfect timing |
| 09:02.42 | Cell | ready? |
| 09:02.53 | bzdouggg | npoe |
| 09:02.55 | bzdouggg | but I just rebooted |
| 09:03.04 | bzdouggg | and I logined in and you connected 1 second after me |
| 09:03.15 | Cell | ah |
| 09:04.30 | bzdouggg | yay |
| 09:04.33 | bzdouggg | it authorized |
| 09:04.41 | Cell | great |
| 09:05.04 | bzdouggg | now I need a fur genorator? |
| 09:05.10 | Cell | now do the tutorials |
| 09:05.13 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 09:05.17 | bzdouggg | ;) |
| 09:05.57 | bzdouggg | ick |
| 09:06.04 | bzdouggg | software rednering |
| 09:06.09 | Cell | is ok |
| 09:06.14 | Cell | fast |
| 09:06.16 | Cell | k |
| 09:06.32 | Cell | i use opengl too |
| 09:06.48 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 09:06.50 | Cell | but heidi is fast as hell tjough |
| 09:06.54 | bzdouggg | faster than dX |
| 09:07.00 | Cell | no |
| 09:07.03 | bzdouggg | hiede? |
| 09:07.10 | Cell | directX seems to be fastest to me |
| 09:07.23 | bzdouggg | well, on my computer opengl is faster |
| 09:07.29 | Cell | heidi 3d studio softwre realtime renderer |
| 09:07.29 | bzdouggg | uses less ram maybe |
| 09:07.32 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 09:07.41 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 09:07.58 | Cell | under the help menu |
| 09:08.20 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 09:09.06 | Cell | best u work them all step by step |
| 09:09.10 | Cell | as i did |
| 09:09.23 | bzdouggg | k |
| 09:10.15 | bzdouggg | hmm, I could go with a) fast opengl single monitor b) slow DX but dual screens |
| 09:10.55 | Cell | yes a second monitor would be very useful |
| 09:11.49 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 09:12.32 | Cell | whats ur screen res? |
| 09:12.51 | bzdouggg | 1024 |
| 09:13.22 | Cell | hm cant u make more? |
| 09:13.24 | bzdouggg | my second vid open gl support |
| 09:13.26 | bzdouggg | nope |
| 09:23.20 | bzdouggg | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 09:23.47 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 09:26.57 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 09:26.57 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:26.58 | bzbot | Storm (R): 1 (18-17). MakosTeszta (G): 4 (14-10). Green Tank (G): -12 (6-18). Silver Bullet (R): 4 (9-5). |
| 09:29.50 | Patlabor221 | well it seesm our little frine hoda never returned. |
| 09:30.25 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 09:37.45 | Cell | what did hoda say, he is making a game? |
| 09:39.15 | Patlabor221 | hoooooooo boy |
| 09:39.33 | Patlabor221 | I guess the answer to that question is yes |
| 09:40.01 | Cell | i need some cool lowres or highres animal(farm) models, do someone have any? |
| 09:40.19 | Patlabor221 | check 3d cafe. |
| 09:40.25 | Patlabor221 | or polycount. |
| 09:40.26 | Cell | i did |
| 09:40.53 | Cell | they have mostly uncomplete models |
| 09:42.38 | Patlabor221 | on 3dcafe? |
| 09:42.43 | Cell | yep |
| 09:42.57 | Cell | i mean the free ones |
| 09:43.12 | Patlabor221 | check polycount. |
| 09:43.22 | Cell | i do now |
| 09:43.55 | captain_proton | hoda has big plans and no real capability |
| 09:43.56 | Cell | but does not seem like if they have animals |
| 09:44.08 | Patlabor221 | cap you call that a plan? |
| 09:44.18 | Patlabor221 | it's more like a psycotic urge to blow stuff up |
| 09:46.21 | Cell | i need a pig a cow a donkey and a deer and a bird |
| 09:46.35 | bzdouggg | ask sussudio |
| 09:46.36 | Patlabor221 | what for? |
| 09:46.39 | bzdouggg | I am sure he has them |
| 09:46.39 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 09:46.40 | Cell | i have a cool pig already |
| 09:46.57 | Cell | cant say |
| 09:47.09 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 09:48.22 | Cell | because its embarrassing |
| 09:48.42 | Patlabor221 | ohh my, you need a pig for embarasing reasons? |
| 09:48.48 | Cell | yep |
| 09:49.03 | Patlabor221 | also check turbo squid |
| 09:49.11 | Cell | ah cool idea |
| 09:49.12 | Patlabor221 | they charge for a lot of there models |
| 09:49.15 | Patlabor221 | bu some are free |
| 09:49.25 | Cell | yes |
| 09:50.47 | captain_proton | classtime |
| 09:51.35 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 09:51.35 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:51.36 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 09:51.40 | [TeA] | baaaaaah |
| 09:51.46 | [TeA] | who wants to play ? |
| 09:51.52 | Patlabor221 | setup wizzard I am telling you. |
| 09:52.39 | bzdouggg | it should have spell check too |
| 09:52.50 | Patlabor221 | you want me to write a spell checker? |
| 09:52.58 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 09:52.59 | Patlabor221 | are you insane? |
| 09:53.12 | bzdouggg | no, your right |
| 09:53.14 | Cell | ming has cool mods but too expensive: http://www.its-ming.com/ |
| 09:53.32 | Patlabor221 | ming? |
| 09:53.33 | bzdouggg | it wouldnt spell check |
| 09:54.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh my, that's a horible color set for a web page. |
| 09:54.34 | Cell | looks cool |
| 09:54.37 | Cell | for me |
| 09:55.12 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 09:55.12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:55.13 | bzbot | jpablo (R): 0 (0-0). [TeA|TrEE] (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 09:56.17 | Patlabor221 | the models may be intersting. bht too many contrasty colors |
| 09:56.56 | Cell | how can i make a cool farm skybox background(seeing mountains trees) |
| 09:58.28 | Patlabor221 | teragen |
| 09:58.38 | Patlabor221 | that's what it does |
| 09:59.17 | Cell | oh k |
| 10:04.19 | bzdouggg | I am missing the material editor button |
| 10:13.14 | Cell | press m |
| 10:14.06 | Cell | if its not visible u have to scroll the toolbar with the hand cursor |
| 10:17.14 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 10:17.19 | Cell | u got it |
| 10:17.42 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 10:20.30 | captain_proton | i wish i had remembered that today was a review session |
| 10:20.35 | captain_proton | i wouldn't have had to look so guilty walking out |
| 10:22.05 | Cell | u have the right to leave whenever u want |
| 10:22.31 | captain_proton | oh i know |
| 10:22.38 | captain_proton | i just feel bad about wasting the last 20 minutes of my life |
| 10:22.57 | home | hi |
| 10:23.47 | home | ibot ducati |
| 10:23.47 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:23.49 | bzbot | smsart (G): 0 (0-0). Vince (R): -20 (8-28). bomber (R): 1 (6-5). Free as a bird (G): 8 (18-10). lolita (G): 6 (19-13). Zaphod (G): 1 (1-0). jpablo (R): 0 (1-1). |
| 10:25.34 | Cell | oh, chicken bread or nothing what shall i eat |
| 10:26.52 | sussudio | ~eat cell |
| 10:26.52 | | sussudio: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:26.57 | sussudio | stupid bot |
| 10:27.02 | Cell | ha |
| 10:28.26 | prof_dr_cell_des | DES = Data Encryption Standard |
| 10:29.29 | sussudio | DES = Dork eat scheisse |
| 10:29.30 | prof_dr_cell_des | research on encription of unix passwd files |
| 10:30.13 | prof_dr_cell_des | have to go for a weak |
| 10:33.43 | scanline | So, how many pirated copies of 3D Studio Max we got in the channel this morning? |
| 10:34.08 | captain_proton | scanline: same as we did last night, hoda is gone bug doug is here |
| 10:34.15 | scanline | ha |
| 10:34.46 | scanline | bzdouggg: you remembered to steal the linux version right? |
| 10:36.20 | Patlabor221 | I have the 1337 hax0Rd version of linux |
| 10:37.10 | captain_proton | who doesn't? |
| 10:37.21 | scanline | ooh, is that the one where a crack team of highly trained 15 year olds used Visual Source Safe to remove all the bugs? |
| 10:37.35 | Patlabor221 | no they use debugers |
| 10:37.39 | Patlabor221 | they do it automaticly |
| 10:41.10 | captain_proton | alias 7up="svn up" |
| 10:41.19 | captain_proton | oh wait |
| 10:41.19 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 10:41.22 | Patlabor221 | no on the 'nix |
| 10:43.51 | Patlabor221 | there now I have 7Up and 7In |
| 10:46.07 | captain_proton | is this in cam or bz? |
| 10:46.13 | Patlabor221 | cam |
| 10:46.28 | Patlabor221 | if it was bz I would have a better chance of changing it :) |
| 10:46.33 | captain_proton | heh |
| 10:47.12 | captain_proton | classtime again |
| 10:53.12 | sussudio | how hot does a GF2 chipset get? |
| 10:57.52 | sussudio | 10 shots should be enough for anyone :-P |
| 10:58.15 | Noodleman | hehe, is that a poke at me? |
| 10:58.18 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 10:58.20 | sussudio | uh huh. |
| 10:58.46 | Noodleman | well, if my server had 10 shots, it'd be like all the others :-) |
| 10:59.33 | Noodleman | and anyway, it was bzdoug's idea |
| 10:59.42 | sussudio | so was spirals |
| 10:59.46 | Noodleman | go yell at him, it's his fault :-P |
| 11:00.09 | Noodleman | do you not like spirals? |
| 11:00.20 | sussudio | nope |
| 11:00.40 | Noodleman | have you voted against it on vote.noodleroni.com? |
| 11:00.45 | sussudio | nope |
| 11:00.57 | Noodleman | well, shame on you! :-) |
| 11:01.03 | sussudio | :-| |
| 11:04.47 | sussudio | You've already voted for the world BZDoug's Spiral, silly. |
| 11:05.00 | sussudio | snort. |
| 11:05.07 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 11:37.50 | Patlabor221 | offta hoda's "tank" is more like a bad starwars land speeder with a tank barrel on it |
| 11:44.21 | sussudio | with a ford escort engine? |
| 11:44.40 | Patlabor221 | actualy it looks like it started as the snark from tribes 2 |
| 11:44.52 | Patlabor221 | then got beat witha baseball bat |
| 11:45.01 | Patlabor221 | and it's horibly UV maped |
| 11:45.23 | sussudio | whoopee. |
| 11:50.13 | [TeA] | ::::::......::::::.....::::::......:::::......::::::.....:::::......::::::.....::::::....... |
| 11:53.53 | Patlabor221 | crap I forgot to ask cap what tim said about code indenting. |
| 11:54.25 | Chestal | good question, that was rather confusing because 1.8 introduced a new style |
| 11:54.32 | Chestal | 1.7 was a little inconsistent |
| 11:56.00 | Patlabor221 | and it was a bit ugly |
| 11:56.10 | Patlabor221 | hey doug: you should bid on this |
| 11:56.10 | Patlabor221 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1785943571 |
| 11:56.19 | Patlabor221 | it's from around your part of the country. |
| 11:58.39 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he didn't say anything |
| 11:59.33 | captain_proton | surprise surprise |
| 11:59.46 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* |
| 12:00.24 | captain_proton | Noodleman: decks at 100 shots with flags is rediculous :P |
| 12:00.34 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 12:00.37 | Noodleman | that's me :-) |
| 12:00.46 | captain_proton | in fact flags at all are rediculous unless they're very carefully selected |
| 12:00.50 | Chestal | I enountered a new (to me) decks server today, 3 shots / jumping, at a German university (tu-muenchen.de) |
| 12:00.52 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 12:01.17 | captain_proton | Chestal: any flags? |
| 12:01.29 | Noodleman | if my server had only 10 shots with no flags, it'd be just like every one elses :-) |
| 12:01.50 | Chestal | proton: all flags |
| 12:02.01 | Chestal | it even had an admin who was playing |
| 12:02.15 | Chestal | I cannot play Decks, though, when the one high building is in view, I drop to <5fps |
| 12:03.20 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm |
| 12:03.31 | captain_proton | decks with flags seems so silly to me now |
| 12:03.37 | captain_proton | no skill involved :) |
| 12:04.46 | Chestal | well, mostly newbies playing, jumping to evade shots... |
| 12:04.52 | Chestal | even with my low framerate I was king of the hill |
| 12:05.33 | captain_proton | decks is all about the spin jump snipe |
| 12:05.56 | [TeA] | Moles suck |
| 12:05.58 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 12:07.41 | Patlabor221 | cap do we still need the time bomb stuff? |
| 12:08.04 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it actually might be nice if we are gonna release every 3 months or so |
| 12:08.12 | captain_proton | set the timebomb for 6 months, after which it tells you to upgrade |
| 12:09.19 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather see someting where the list server knows the current version number and tells you when a new one is out and where to get it. |
| 12:10.07 | captain_proton | that works |
| 12:10.17 | captain_proton | right now the list server only gives you servers for your major |
| 12:10.23 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 12:10.33 | Patlabor221 | but it could be used as an "info" server |
| 12:10.43 | Patlabor221 | MOTD stuff |
| 12:11.43 | captain_proton | it would be nice to use it for more game coordination stuff, waiting rooms where players can talk, etc |
| 12:12.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 12:12.30 | Patlabor221 | we call them "lobby" servers |
| 12:14.29 | captain_proton | hmm, we still need to do bz shirts |
| 12:14.47 | Patlabor221 | cafepress |
| 12:14.54 | Patlabor221 | no money up front |
| 12:14.59 | Patlabor221 | made to order |
| 12:15.05 | Patlabor221 | kinda on demand thing |
| 12:15.12 | captain_proton | then its laserprinted, not silkscreened |
| 12:15.14 | Patlabor221 | hell they will host a site and sellthem for you |
| 12:15.23 | Patlabor221 | it's not the regular lazer stuff |
| 12:15.25 | captain_proton | so its not quite as durable |
| 12:15.29 | Patlabor221 | it's someting inbetween |
| 12:15.36 | Patlabor221 | I've had the lazer ones and they do suck |
| 12:15.36 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 12:15.43 | Patlabor221 | bu these are thicker |
| 12:16.05 | Patlabor221 | it's almost like they use an inkjet type thing with silkscreen ink |
| 12:16.15 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 12:16.19 | sussudio | i have a megadeth tshirt :-P |
| 12:16.37 | captain_proton | i should post to laz's board regarding an art contest |
| 12:18.35 | Noodleman | did i overhear that you are thinking of making a bzflag tshirt? |
| 12:18.39 | Patlabor221 | hodo can do it, he can do evertying :) |
| 12:19.17 | [TeA] | bzflag t-shirt cooooooool |
| 12:19.39 | Patlabor221 | cap: caferess will make other stuff too |
| 12:19.42 | Patlabor221 | coffie cups |
| 12:19.44 | Patlabor221 | mouse pads |
| 12:19.46 | Patlabor221 | hats |
| 12:19.47 | Noodleman | i'd be happy to do a design for you to think about |
| 12:19.49 | Patlabor221 | backpacks |
| 12:20.12 | Patlabor221 | tho they don't do black shirts only white ones, and that sucks |
| 12:20.24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, we'll see |
| 12:20.39 | Patlabor221 | nice thing is it's all online |
| 12:20.40 | captain_proton | if we have a design that everybody wants that works only on black, we could do preorders or something |
| 12:20.45 | Patlabor221 | you upload the pictures |
| 12:20.49 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/oreally.png |
| 12:20.50 | Patlabor221 | set up what you want |
| 12:20.55 | Noodleman | look at that design |
| 12:20.56 | Patlabor221 | and it's all automatic |
| 12:21.09 | captain_proton | Noodleman: that's cool |
| 12:21.22 | Patlabor221 | that's funny |
| 12:21.45 | Patlabor221 | but shouldn't the picture be of someting that ISN't related to what's inside :) like theother books |
| 12:21.55 | Patlabor221 | needs like a monkey or something |
| 12:22.06 | captain_proton | i like the tank, looks good |
| 12:22.13 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 12:22.14 | Noodleman | what do you mean, pat? |
| 12:22.16 | scanline | spiffy |
| 12:22.32 | Patlabor221 | well all the other books seem to just have an animal or someting on them |
| 12:22.32 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, interested in raw fishies? |
| 12:23.03 | Noodleman | there's a few that don't |
| 12:23.13 | scanline | captain_proton: interested yes, but I probably don't have time... I have a midterm at 2:00, a class at 3, then I'm leaving for my parents' house... going home this weekend for my brother's birthday |
| 12:23.27 | captain_proton | scanline: oh hmm |
| 12:23.39 | Patlabor221 | a few yes, but it seems the majority do, that's all |
| 12:23.49 | scanline | captain_proton: it will probably be boring, but hey, I haven't been home in a while... |
| 12:23.56 | Patlabor221 | that would look good on theback of a white shirt |
| 12:24.00 | Patlabor221 | with the URL below it |
| 12:24.06 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 12:24.26 | Noodleman | we might have to find or draw another picture of a tank, tho |
| 12:24.38 | Noodleman | the original of that one is only about 200 high |
| 12:24.38 | Patlabor221 | not yours? |
| 12:24.40 | scanline | Noodleman: did you draw that tank? |
| 12:24.45 | Noodleman | no i didn't |
| 12:24.49 | scanline | ah |
| 12:24.52 | scanline | still looks good :) |
| 12:24.52 | Noodleman | i kind of.. |
| 12:24.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would need to be higher red |
| 12:24.57 | Noodleman | borrowed it :-) |
| 12:24.57 | Patlabor221 | rez |
| 12:26.19 | Noodleman | do we have any good artists here? |
| 12:26.19 | Noodleman | i mean with a pencil and paper? |
| 12:26.19 | Cell | yep me |
| 12:26.43 | Noodleman | could you draw a tank like that? |
| 12:26.54 | Cell | like how? |
| 12:27.19 | Noodleman | like this: http://www.noodleroni.com/oreally.png |
| 12:27.40 | Cell | sure |
| 12:28.08 | Cell | easy |
| 12:28.11 | Noodleman | cool |
| 12:30.01 | Cell | i personally would prefere some more colors, |
| 12:30.15 | captain_proton | scanline: what time to you leave? |
| 12:30.36 | scanline | captain_proton: around 4:00 |
| 12:30.42 | captain_proton | scanline: hrmrns |
| 12:32.22 | Patlabor221 | cap: what is this doing to the string? |
| 12:32.22 | Patlabor221 | strncpy(startupInfo.callsign, db.getValue("callsign").c_str(),sizeof(startupInfo.callsign) - 1); |
| 12:32.23 | Patlabor221 | startupInfo.callsign[sizeof(startupInfo.callsign) - 1] = '\0'; |
| 12:32.37 | Patlabor221 | and why can't strcpy just be called? |
| 12:32.53 | scanline | that prevents writing past the end of the string |
| 12:32.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, it prevents a buffer overflow |
| 12:33.05 | Patlabor221 | ahhh got it |
| 12:34.11 | Patlabor221 | I am trying to get a handle on how it all flows |
| 12:34.18 | Patlabor221 | and I see an assload of them in main |
| 12:35.52 | Patlabor221 | ahh there |
| 12:35.52 | Patlabor221 | if (db.hasValue("callsign")) |
| 12:35.52 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 12:35.56 | Patlabor221 | has been replaced with |
| 12:36.02 | Patlabor221 | db.copyValue("callsign",startupInfo.callsign,sizeof(startupInfo.callsign)); |
| 12:36.46 | sussudio | bzflag crashes if there's an illegal character in the callsign |
| 12:55.31 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 12:55.31 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:55.32 | bzbot | tankmann (R): -3 (13-16). Ginku (R): 13 (248-235). calico (R): 4 (27-23). Walleye (G): -1 (19-20). Freshman (G): 18 (123-105). Flyer (G): -54 (46-100). DeadMeat (G): 3 (113-110). xabbu (R): -3 (35-38). |
| 13:03.25 | Cell | Noodleman:how do u like this one i made right now: http://217.89.4.152/tank.jpg |
| 13:04.13 | Cell | well it can be done better |
| 13:04.41 | Noodleman | it's good, but do you think you could put a some more shading, or make it from the perspective of being small |
| 13:04.52 | Cell | of coz |
| 13:21.37 | Cell | Noodleman:http://217.89.4.152/tank2.jpg |
| 13:21.59 | Cell | oh its not that good |
| 13:22.32 | Cell | bu better than th 1st one |
| 13:23.10 | Cell | ups his away |
| 13:23.54 | Cell | bzdouggg: u saw the tank pictures? |
| 13:30.19 | Patlabor221 | ugg I am sooooo full |
| 13:32.36 | sussudio | Patlabor221: how about this one little afterdinner mint? |
| 13:32.37 | scanline | hmm.. Cell's URL isn't loading |
| 13:32.39 | bzdouggg | what did you eat? |
| 13:44.10 | Patlabor221 | I had the same thing cap had |
| 13:44.21 | captain_proton | oh? i haven't had lunch yet |
| 13:44.36 | Patlabor221 | oh well I had the same thing you wanted to have then :) |
| 13:44.43 | captain_proton | i'm trying to arrange it for this evening |
| 13:44.47 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 13:45.00 | Patlabor221 | wellI am full of raw fish and rice. |
| 13:46.50 | bzdouggg | Mmm |
| 13:48.13 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: and california rolls aren't sushi |
| 13:48.42 | bzdouggg | I have had real shushu |
| 13:49.00 | captain_proton | shushu? |
| 13:49.19 | bzdouggg | shusi |
| 13:49.23 | bzdouggg | whatever |
| 13:49.43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: any word from the anime cart man? |
| 14:13.41 | betty | hi |
| 14:14.00 | bzdouggg | ih |
| 14:14.03 | Chestal | good evening |
| 14:14.08 | betty | cool, this does work |
| 14:20.20 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 14:20.20 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:20.22 | bzbot | Space Biker (G): -8 (2-10). BeZee (G): 0 (0-0). baptiste (G): -39 (27-66). Ginku (R): 5 (14-9). Onken (R): 8 (11-3). aim (G): 0 (0-0). Arch Angel (R): -2 (18-20). |
| 14:24.04 | sussudio | ibot turkey |
| 14:24.04 | | bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 14:24.07 | bzbot | Rogue: 10 players, score: 0 | Red: 1 players, score: -2 | Green: 4 players, score: -141 | Purple: 3 players, score: -24 | |
| 14:24.17 | sussudio | -141? |
| 14:24.21 | sussudio | ibot turkeylong |
| 14:24.21 | | bzfquerylong turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 14:24.24 | bzbot | snike (r): 60 (157-97). rudy102 (P): -8 (8-16). karl (P): 10 (27-17). Green Machine (G): -14 (48-62). chatelaine (r): 1 (3-2). martin (r): 10 (24-14). Just me (P): -2 (13-15). NoBody (G): -1 (1-2). HAL-9000 (r): -6 (9-15). Robson (G): -17 (8-25). mau (G): -18 (10-28). -=MaTriX=- (P): 0 (0-0). fiberchunks (r): 137 (208-71). Twisted Cortex (r): -3 (7-10). Full_Moon (r): 2 (4-2). scorpion (r): 2 (11-9). moebius (R): 0 (6-6). Trunks (r): -2 (2-4). Razzb |
| 15:06.09 | sussudio | can you change the format of bzfs -d from Player xxxx [0] has joined to Player xxxx [0] IPaddress has joined? |
| 15:06.31 | sussudio | and maybe some extra info about client version |
| 15:06.50 | captain_proton | can get client version via CLIENTQUERY and IP address via /playerlist |
| 15:07.02 | sussudio | i know, i mean for logging purposes |
| 15:07.42 | captain_proton | you could with a slightly hacked server |
| 15:08.18 | sussudio | yeah i am aware of that..... i guess i could do it myself, it's just text. |
| 15:09.18 | sussudio | i dont know c, but it looks pretty straightforward |
| 15:16.47 | bzgirl | hello |
| 15:18.37 | Chestal | hi brat |
| 15:18.57 | bzgirl | hows it going Chestal :) |
| 15:19.17 | Chestal | bzgirl: my bzflag battle statin is broken, won't boot anymore |
| 15:19.27 | Chestal | haven't really tried to find the cause so far |
| 15:19.31 | Chestal | well, must be off for now |
| 15:19.42 | bzgirl | hope you fix it soon |
| 15:23.12 | hoda | hi patlabor |
| 15:23.25 | sussudio | what do you use to compile bzf under windoze? |
| 15:23.35 | captain_proton | sussudio: MSVC++ |
| 15:23.40 | sussudio | eep MS |
| 15:24.05 | hoda | hi capt proton |
| 15:24.57 | captain_proton | i wish we could make it independent of vc on windows |
| 15:25.49 | sussudio | http://www.land-j.com/gccwin32.html |
| 15:26.06 | captain_proton | the problem isn't compilers |
| 15:26.12 | captain_proton | its make |
| 15:26.13 | sussudio | not? |
| 15:26.40 | captain_proton | cygwin might possibly work but i don't wanna do it |
| 15:26.44 | captain_proton | GMAKE is awful |
| 15:27.48 | sussudio | if i change something in the src/bzflag directory, will it work on win32 too? |
| 15:27.52 | eddienull | with the 1.7 build system where would I be able to add a platform-dependant exec to be run after the link stage of the libraries? |
| 15:28.30 | m0nkeyb0y | howdy |
| 15:28.59 | hoda | hi |
| 15:29.42 | captain_proton | eddienull: hmm. i'd add a define in your config-sys then conditionalize it in the main makefile (yuk) |
| 15:30.21 | Patlabor221 | hello hoda |
| 15:30.24 | captain_proton | 'lo m0nkeyb0y |
| 15:30.51 | eddienull | *sigh* that's what I was afraid of. damn |
| 15:30.52 | Patlabor221 | cap: I could try it on codewarior. |
| 15:31.41 | m0nkeyb0y | lo proton |
| 15:31.55 | m0nkeyb0y | tnx for looking at that map, patlabor and proton |
| 15:32.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: thats still depending on a commercial product |
| 15:32.46 | Patlabor221 | yes, but it's hella cheaper for the student version then vc :) |
| 15:32.47 | captain_proton | one of scanline's picogui buddies is starting to think about writing a make replacement, if it works out that could replace the current build system |
| 15:33.45 | captain_proton | eww |
| 15:33.53 | captain_proton | mouse clicks are counted as keystrokes right now |
| 15:34.45 | sussudio | hmz gerbil's map on jzaun has tabs |
| 15:34.58 | captain_proton | eddienull: have you been monitoring sf? there seems to be a common bug on osx that people keep confirming |
| 15:34.59 | sussudio | say craaaash |
| 15:35.17 | eddie | yay. gotta love power outages, computer on UPS, net router is not. gotta fix that :) |
| 15:36.03 | eddie | yep, that's why I'm working on it now, trying to get it to compile with bz's build system instead of Apple's ProjectBuilder. I just about got it if I can figure out a good way to exec after ld. |
| 15:41.30 | hoda | microsoft is insane |
| 15:41.41 | captain_proton | howso? |
| 15:41.42 | hoda | bill gaytes is insane |
| 15:41.52 | hoda | omg |
| 15:42.04 | hoda | they should open source windows nt/2k |
| 15:42.24 | captain_proton | why? |
| 15:42.26 | hoda | so people can improve the desktop and everything else |
| 15:42.34 | hoda | mostly the desktop |
| 15:42.37 | hoda | 4 me |
| 15:42.46 | captain_proton | open source means that people won't buy their software |
| 15:42.47 | hoda | and uhh the midi drivers |
| 15:42.48 | Patlabor221 | like what parts of it? |
| 15:42.55 | Patlabor221 | you can make drivers now |
| 15:42.58 | hoda | the midi driver |
| 15:43.00 | sussudio | hoda, are you 14 or something? |
| 15:43.03 | captain_proton | and people can already change the desktop - just take a look at lightstep |
| 15:43.11 | hoda | nah its not the driver its something hold up |
| 15:43.18 | Patlabor221 | and the XP visual style mananger |
| 15:44.18 | hoda | i cant find it |
| 15:44.29 | hoda | its like a midi dll or something |
| 15:44.51 | Patlabor221 | can't find what? |
| 15:44.56 | hoda | but it dosnt allow for 2 midi with 2 soundcards |
| 15:45.01 | Patlabor221 | sure it does |
| 15:45.10 | Patlabor221 | we have cakewalk set up like that here |
| 15:45.13 | hoda | it prevents you from using the midi on 2 soundcards |
| 15:45.17 | sussudio | what is the current version of msvc |
| 15:45.21 | Patlabor221 | 7.0 |
| 15:45.26 | sussudio | hm. |
| 15:45.27 | Patlabor221 | aka .net |
| 15:45.31 | hoda | it does for me anyway |
| 15:45.31 | sussudio | ew |
| 15:45.56 | Patlabor221 | vc.net dosn't have the vb adn C# crap in it |
| 15:46.00 | Patlabor221 | its just C and C++ |
| 15:46.02 | hoda | ogl desktops? |
| 15:46.11 | Patlabor221 | why hoda? |
| 15:46.32 | sussudio | i think i'll stick with debian and gcc |
| 15:46.32 | hoda | 3d organisation? |
| 15:46.42 | hoda | depth? |
| 15:46.52 | hoda | z |
| 15:46.53 | Patlabor221 | windows have a z order now |
| 15:46.57 | Patlabor221 | no perspective |
| 15:47.10 | Patlabor221 | perspective in a destop would be odd |
| 15:47.12 | hoda | just sum z |
| 15:47.27 | hoda | man xwindows is so much cooler |
| 15:47.30 | captain_proton | i've fallen in love...with my replicant... |
| 15:47.52 | captain_proton | hoda: why do you say that? |
| 15:48.03 | Patlabor221 | but you use MIRC |
| 15:48.06 | hoda | customisable |
| 15:48.16 | hoda | to the xtreme |
| 15:48.21 | captain_proton | xwindows isn't really any more customizable than windows |
| 15:48.25 | Patlabor221 | my windows destkp currently looks like mac OSX |
| 15:48.33 | hoda | i dunno i used some crazy versions |
| 15:48.49 | hoda | do you have Xpwindows? |
| 15:48.59 | hoda | :P |
| 15:49.22 | Patlabor221 | I currently use windows XP |
| 15:49.30 | Patlabor221 | for some things |
| 15:49.34 | hoda | MICROSOFT ANOUNCES DIRECTGL 1.0 |
| 15:50.06 | Patlabor221 | they allready did that, it was called Fernenhight, and it died |
| 15:50.19 | hoda | dx sukked until 6.0 |
| 15:50.28 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 15:50.33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: fahrenheit looks like it was gonna be cool too |
| 15:50.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah it did look cool |
| 15:50.49 | Patlabor221 | direct draw has been stable since 1.0 |
| 15:50.56 | hoda | for 10 minutes 5 years ago... |
| 15:51.14 | captain_proton | but sgi let fahrenheit die because of openinventor |
| 15:51.15 | Patlabor221 | dInput became usable at about 3 |
| 15:51.24 | hoda | i dunno i guess theyre fragmenting tech too much |
| 15:51.31 | hoda | imho |
| 15:51.47 | Patlabor221 | your o is not h |
| 15:53.12 | hoda | im not the only anti-ms person on the planet |
| 15:53.31 | hoda | hey |
| 15:53.43 | hoda | what happened to ms? |
| 15:53.52 | captain_proton | hoda: why are you anti-ms if you don't really know what MS is doing? |
| 15:53.54 | hoda | in there court case? |
| 15:53.55 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 15:53.57 | captain_proton | heya dinah |
| 15:54.03 | Patlabor221 | hello dinah |
| 15:54.12 | hoda | anti-trust suit |
| 15:54.19 | sussudio | heh. rioting canadians. |
| 15:54.28 | sussudio | where's axl rose eh? |
| 15:54.32 | Patlabor221 | who's canadian? |
| 15:58.18 | hoda | yay |
| 15:58.23 | Patlabor221 | why, do you have a problem hiting your head? |
| 15:58.52 | hoda | its a radiation deflector |
| 15:59.12 | hoda | and kinetic blast deflector |
| 15:59.42 | hoda | i want to make a helmet that has pnuematic pistons that smash together |
| 15:59.53 | hoda | to crush your skull |
| 16:00.05 | sussudio | or biggie nutrino's |
| 16:00.07 | sussudio | http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/latest.jpg |
| 16:00.09 | hoda | thatd be awesome |
| 16:00.19 | hoda | rofl |
| 16:00.25 | hoda | i think bout that shit alot |
| 16:00.42 | hoda | sub atomic particles blasting through foold |
| 16:01.35 | dinah | sussudio: not to worry there luv |
| 16:02.08 | sussudio | there's this dork 'geekasaurus' that uses a lot of 4 letter words |
| 16:02.49 | sussudio | i also pointed out to him that the things he describes are not actually physically possible |
| 16:02.58 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 16:02.58 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:03.00 | bzbot | Vince (R): -7 (10-17). PRIMARY HARD DISK FAILURE (R): 11 (36-25). baptiste (G): -223 (151-374). Storm (R): -5 (20-25). Lucidor (G): 14 (39-25). HILGARTH_02 (G): -13 (5-18). bar (G): 8 (16-8). Ace (R): 4 (14-10). @ Ajax (B): 0 (0-0). |
| 16:03.03 | dinah | sussudio: if you want to see something worse... try #windowmaker on nova.oftc.net |
| 16:03.04 | Chestal | 4 letter words? like 'unix'? |
| 16:03.22 | sussudio | Chestal: yes, that one too |
| 16:03.28 | Patlabor221 | hoda who did the UV maps on your tank? |
| 16:03.55 | sussudio | dinah: or #giFT on this network......... "f*** you if you cant make it work, its in development f***** and it you cant make it work you're out of f**** luck" |
| 16:03.57 | hoda | lol |
| 16:04.02 | hoda | chiliskinner |
| 16:04.16 | Patlabor221 | software is not a who |
| 16:04.24 | hoda | lets just say that the mesh is less than a week old |
| 16:04.33 | Patlabor221 | age maters not |
| 16:04.36 | sussudio | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:04.39 | captain_proton | Chestal: more like HP-UX ;) |
| 16:04.39 | hoda | i did them in like 30 minutes |
| 16:04.42 | sussudio | 3.5 million people on kazaa |
| 16:04.44 | sussudio | 43 on giFT |
| 16:04.50 | Patlabor221 | if it's not ready they it shoul not have been realeased |
| 16:04.54 | eddie | what's the cvs HEAD? is that 1.7e6 or 1.8? |
| 16:05.00 | sussudio | 1.7e7 |
| 16:05.10 | captain_proton | eddie: right now 1.8 i think, lemme check |
| 16:05.12 | hoda | well its also our first tank model |
| 16:05.24 | hoda | so id like to get a reaction to it |
| 16:05.33 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:05.36 | hoda | as it may define a theme |
| 16:05.38 | Patlabor221 | the uv's are horible |
| 16:05.42 | hoda | for tanks |
| 16:05.43 | Patlabor221 | the texture is bland |
| 16:05.44 | hoda | rofl |
| 16:05.46 | hoda | uhhh |
| 16:05.52 | hoda | man |
| 16:05.54 | Patlabor221 | and the entire desine is unispired. |
| 16:05.59 | captain_proton | eddie: HEAD is 1.8 right now |
| 16:06.00 | hoda | cmon you think i dont know that |
| 16:06.21 | Patlabor221 | if you did why did you want us to put it in game |
| 16:06.31 | hoda | the mesh is ok the uv coords are screwed |
| 16:06.48 | Patlabor221 | the mesh is not ok |
| 16:06.54 | Patlabor221 | it's horibly unoptimsed |
| 16:06.56 | hoda | well i can clean it up in a few hours |
| 16:06.57 | Patlabor221 | and looks like a blimp |
| 16:06.58 | sussudio | dinah: hoda is 14 and ate a lot of sugar |
| 16:06.59 | captain_proton | and unbalanced |
| 16:07.02 | hoda | lol |
| 16:07.04 | hoda | i had to |
| 16:07.06 | hoda | aww |
| 16:07.14 | hoda | you got the scaled version |
| 16:07.21 | dinah | sussudio: i can see that |
| 16:07.21 | Patlabor221 | no I saw the origonal |
| 16:07.28 | hoda | its not high |
| 16:07.39 | Patlabor221 | you had both meshes in there |
| 16:07.39 | hoda | its wides and long |
| 16:07.43 | sussudio | they actually have tax on sugar in denmark..... it does make some sense |
| 16:07.46 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 16:07.52 | hoda | not high tho |
| 16:08.03 | Patlabor221 | I know, as I said I have the non scaled mesh |
| 16:08.03 | sussudio | except sugarless pastry tastes like crap |
| 16:08.12 | hoda | no you dont |
| 16:08.26 | Patlabor221 | you sent it to me as 3ds files |
| 16:08.32 | Patlabor221 | in the file bzflag.3ds |
| 16:08.42 | hoda | man those were exported after i rescaled everything |
| 16:08.45 | Patlabor221 | body.3ds has the one that was too tall |
| 16:08.50 | hoda | ohhhhh |
| 16:08.57 | Patlabor221 | you don't even know what you sent do you |
| 16:09.01 | hoda | that file may be from b4 scaling |
| 16:09.14 | hoda | lol i thought i sent the .c files |
| 16:09.27 | sussudio | how hard would it be to add a hotkey for a new function in bzflag? |
| 16:09.37 | Patlabor221 | do you have a short term memory problme? |
| 16:09.49 | [dmp] | sussudio: tax on sugar? What tax? |
| 16:09.51 | captain_proton | sussudio: what function? |
| 16:09.57 | hoda | no, but i can overlook things |
| 16:10.02 | hoda | easily |
| 16:10.03 | sussudio | captain_proton: turn flags on radar on and off |
| 16:10.08 | bzdouggg | sussudio: brain? what brain? |
| 16:10.26 | captain_proton | sussudio: that would be fairly easy so long as you know a little C |
| 16:10.30 | eddie | sw33t! okay, osx is fixed |
| 16:10.36 | sussudio | [dmp]: sugar tax |
| 16:10.36 | Patlabor221 | hoda: if you realy want to get into the gaming "secene" I'd recomend a lot more work on modeling and uv maping. |
| 16:10.43 | hoda | yes pat i can see the errors |
| 16:10.47 | Chestal | but it's quite awkward to do so in 1.7 |
| 16:10.51 | Chestal | in 1.8, it was fairly easy |
| 16:11.00 | hoda | its only 4 days old |
| 16:11.14 | [dmp] | sussudio: never heard of it. |
| 16:11.17 | Patlabor221 | it keeps geting older every 10 min doesn't |
| 16:11.26 | hoda | tues night |
| 16:11.34 | hoda | is when it was made |
| 16:11.35 | sussudio | [dmp]: it's there, you're paying extra for anything with sugar in it |
| 16:12.12 | hoda | .3ds makes it look sukky |
| 16:12.25 | Patlabor221 | the format dosn't change the geo. |
| 16:12.31 | [dmp] | sussudio: We are paying 25% tax of everything we buy. What should the purpose of this tax be? |
| 16:12.56 | Patlabor221 | hoda: what did you do it in? |
| 16:12.56 | captain_proton | Chestal: well, i'm working on that :) |
| 16:12.59 | hoda | no |
| 16:13.10 | sussudio | [dmp]: to keep people from eating too much sugar, bad for teeth and health... just compare prices of sugar with another country, germany or netherlands |
| 16:13.23 | Chestal | sugar is healthy |
| 16:13.30 | Chestal | (if you don't eat way too much) |
| 16:13.33 | sussudio | Chestal: I AM CORNHOLIO |
| 16:13.45 | captain_proton | different types of sugar are different too |
| 16:13.51 | sussudio | refined sugar |
| 16:14.17 | sussudio | my aunt lives in denmark, whenever she visits she stacks up on sugar and some other stuff that's expensive there |
| 16:15.10 | Chestal | and AFAIK sugar isn't per se bad for teeth, it depends |
| 16:15.25 | Chestal | or was it that chocolate isn't bad, hmm |
| 16:15.37 | Chestal | all very complex, and a lot of false information circling around |
| 16:16.39 | sussudio | pure chocolate is better than milk chocolate |
| 16:16.43 | [dmp] | sussudio: Yeah "Sugar and chokolate tax".. just found it.. cannot read it.. its down for maintenance bestween 00-0:15 .. so.. Perhaps the should adjust their clock |
| 16:16.56 | [dmp] | i need to move. |
| 16:17.23 | [dmp] | anyone have a spare room? I'll join your team as payment? :-) |
| 16:17.42 | hoda | yeah |
| 16:17.51 | hoda | we got a spare room for a coder :P |
| 16:18.01 | hoda | and a 10/100 port |
| 16:18.30 | sussudio | do you still pay just for picking up the phone (not even dialing a number) in dk? |
| 16:18.37 | Patlabor221 | we pay 7.25% sales tax |
| 16:19.12 | [dmp] | sussudio: yes |
| 16:19.28 | [dmp] | hoda: where do you live,and how is your uptime. |
| 16:19.33 | sussudio | i found it at the side of the road |
| 16:19.54 | [dmp] | ah, 2$ tax for each kilo of sugar/chokolate etc.. |
| 16:19.54 | dinah | sussudio: now youd need a lisence for that, if you could get the BBC on it ;) |
| 16:20.10 | sussudio | i get BBC and dont pay license |
| 16:20.31 | dinah | naughty naughty naughty |
| 16:20.35 | captain_proton | hell even i get the BBC |
| 16:21.15 | hoda | lol i live near chicago and we stay onlin 97% |
| 16:21.18 | dinah | though your not in england luv |
| 16:22.14 | sussudio | carrie 2...... how bad can this be? |
| 16:22.24 | dinah | bad, ive seen it |
| 16:22.32 | sussudio | it's on BBC1 |
| 16:22.41 | dinah | the only redeaming feature is a scene whith her tatoos |
| 16:22.55 | hoda | wtf, hollywood is cheap and corny |
| 16:23.25 | Chestal | sussudio: I kinda liked the original Carrie movie |
| 16:23.34 | sussudio | excalibur is on another channel here...... now there's a freaky movie |
| 16:23.49 | Chestal | Excalibur is cool |
| 16:23.51 | dinah | there doing a remake of the origonal carrie |
| 16:23.52 | sussudio | innards'n'stuff hanging off trees |
| 16:24.13 | Chestal | and it got Wagner, too |
| 16:24.19 | sussudio | and captain picard |
| 16:26.53 | hoda | OHHHH YEAH |
| 16:26.57 | hoda | hey pat |
| 16:27.02 | Patlabor221 | yes hoda |
| 16:27.05 | hoda | i didnt fix that model |
| 16:27.15 | hoda | cus if i changed the mesh the uv wouldnt work |
| 16:27.27 | hoda | oh well |
| 16:27.44 | Patlabor221 | the UVS need to be totaly re done |
| 16:27.47 | Patlabor221 | they overlap |
| 16:27.55 | Patlabor221 | there are dead areaas in the skin |
| 16:28.00 | hoda | oh yes |
| 16:28.05 | Patlabor221 | and the sides span like 5 texels |
| 16:28.09 | lurgyman | lurgy is in pretty gtk2 antialiased xchat 1.9.4 |
| 16:28.14 | hoda | i just wanted the flat contineous parts |
| 16:28.19 | hoda | rofl |
| 16:28.34 | hoda | i just wanted to skin the armor plates |
| 16:28.38 | hoda | real quick |
| 16:28.49 | hoda | ill fix it tonight |
| 16:28.56 | Patlabor221 | the uvs looked like they were laied out at random |
| 16:29.43 | captain_proton | hoda: remind me, why were you trying to get us to use this model? |
| 16:30.06 | hoda | well |
| 16:30.24 | hoda | im fully cognicent that its in an un refined state |
| 16:30.59 | Patlabor221 | but you were insitant that you wanted to donate it, only to Tim |
| 16:31.04 | Patlabor221 | you made me get CODE for it |
| 16:31.20 | hoda | umm im working on it as we speak |
| 16:31.27 | hoda | no worries mate |
| 16:31.56 | [TeA] | night all |
| 16:32.23 | Patlabor221 | you MADE ME GET CODE AND THE MODEL WASN"T READY!! |
| 16:32.32 | Patlabor221 | you know I could have been doing other things. |
| 16:33.03 | hoda | look man i got 2 cpu's in the toaster |
| 16:33.11 | hoda | processing toast |
| 16:33.16 | Patlabor221 | and this changes anything? |
| 16:33.27 | hoda | hold on i think its done processing |
| 16:33.32 | hoda | mmmm |
| 16:33.34 | hoda | toast |
| 16:33.51 | captain_proton | does it go "howdy doodly do?" |
| 16:34.07 | Patlabor221 | if you seriously want people to help you, you may want to take things more seriously |
| 16:34.29 | hoda | like i said just dont worry bout what the vertex coords are and uv map |
| 16:34.43 | hoda | im waiting for the mdl/md3 |
| 16:34.50 | Patlabor221 | they need to be there for the thing to work |
| 16:34.53 | hoda | so itll be real nice by then |
| 16:34.56 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean mdl |
| 16:35.05 | hoda | q1? |
| 16:35.05 | Patlabor221 | I have no plans to support the halfl ife format |
| 16:35.13 | hoda | oh |
| 16:35.15 | hoda | good |
| 16:35.17 | Patlabor221 | hell I don't think you could map a plane with your stuff. |
| 16:35.27 | hoda | lol |
| 16:35.34 | hoda | man chill out |
| 16:35.35 | Patlabor221 | I do not jest |
| 16:35.39 | hoda | its new as hell |
| 16:35.49 | Patlabor221 | as are you apernatly. |
| 16:35.56 | hoda | your right |
| 16:36.01 | hoda | im still very much learning |
| 16:36.13 | dinah | from what little ive gathered, i could claim to have a game just as easily ;) |
| 16:36.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's easy to steal an engine. |
| 16:36.39 | hoda | lol |
| 16:36.49 | lurgyman | i have a game |
| 16:36.49 | hoda | i wish i could get torque for free |
| 16:36.54 | hoda | cool |
| 16:37.05 | lurgyman | it's called Riskopoly |
| 16:37.09 | lurgyman | some day i may implement it |
| 16:37.31 | lurgyman | i was thinking of implementing it in cardboard |
| 16:37.32 | lurgyman | and paper |
| 16:37.37 | hoda | cool |
| 16:37.37 | captain_proton | hoda: you can't spend $100 for a silly game engine? you're not terribly serious about this |
| 16:37.38 | lurgyman | using Elmer's as the glue language |
| 16:37.41 | dinah | i have a game too, its called "dinah, the conquest" |
| 16:37.42 | Patlabor221 | hoda: you can't afford a $100 engine |
| 16:37.54 | dinah | who wants to join the team? tehehehe |
| 16:37.57 | Patlabor221 | and you say you have a game company that's looking at publishers? |
| 16:37.59 | hoda | it dosnt matter to me if i pay for it up front or not |
| 16:38.20 | Patlabor221 | actualy yes it does, it shows a comitment to the project. |
| 16:38.51 | Patlabor221 | also if you don't want to pay, why not use an open source engine. |
| 16:38.52 | hoda | well im fanaticly commited |
| 16:38.58 | hoda | we tried |
| 16:39.11 | hoda | but crystal space isnt fast enough |
| 16:39.15 | Patlabor221 | your mod hackers couldn't code to it? |
| 16:39.35 | hoda | we only have like 3 real coders |
| 16:39.49 | hoda | and i dont think any of them wanted to work with crystal space |
| 16:39.55 | Patlabor221 | and none of them cold get CS running |
| 16:40.01 | hoda | cs? |
| 16:40.01 | Patlabor221 | it's a simple engine |
| 16:40.04 | hoda | oh |
| 16:40.05 | Patlabor221 | Cristal space |
| 16:40.28 | hoda | it is simple thats for sure |
| 16:40.38 | hoda | curved surfaces in maps though |
| 16:40.50 | Patlabor221 | they can be added simply |
| 16:40.58 | Patlabor221 | also they can be aproicimated. |
| 16:41.05 | hoda | i dunno i dont want people making hacked clients either |
| 16:41.07 | Patlabor221 | realy surfs slow down most engine.s |
| 16:41.24 | hoda | or having any shared sources |
| 16:41.29 | Patlabor221 | no mater what your gonna get hacked |
| 16:41.45 | hoda | yeah but i donno like you said 100$ isnt too much |
| 16:41.57 | hoda | for a lil more source security |
| 16:42.05 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 16:42.12 | dinah | security!?! lol |
| 16:42.13 | Patlabor221 | you obiciuoulsy got it |
| 16:42.51 | hoda | well atleast it isnt floating around the net |
| 16:42.58 | hoda | for everyone |
| 16:42.59 | Patlabor221 | how did you get it? |
| 16:43.04 | hoda | i dont |
| 16:43.09 | hoda | im going to buy it |
| 16:43.18 | Patlabor221 | how are you making a client then? |
| 16:43.38 | hoda | man we went through like Open source 20 ngines |
| 16:43.46 | hoda | *20 |
| 16:43.52 | captain_proton | dinah: are you conquesting or being conquested? |
| 16:43.52 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 16:44.00 | hoda | all were lacking in one way or another |
| 16:44.04 | captain_proton | and how does using an open-source engine mean hacked clients? |
| 16:44.05 | hoda | ogre is cool |
| 16:44.17 | dinah | captain_proton: nuaghty naughty |
| 16:44.20 | hoda | depends i guess |
| 16:44.32 | Patlabor221 | so you don't have a client now do you? |
| 16:44.38 | hoda | no |
| 16:44.48 | captain_proton | dinah: i live a sheltered life, gotta get my jollies somewhere |
| 16:44.49 | hoda | not RIGHT NOW |
| 16:44.52 | Patlabor221 | so how were you going to send that company your client? |
| 16:45.10 | hoda | well thats years from now |
| 16:45.16 | hoda | 2-5 years |
| 16:45.34 | Patlabor221 | and how are you going to fund development for that time? |
| 16:45.41 | hoda | im not worried about it (not more than i have to be) |
| 16:45.51 | dinah | captain_proton: well for you, and only you luv, ill be conquested ;) |
| 16:46.00 | hoda | were not getting payed |
| 16:46.09 | hoda | upfront |
| 16:46.26 | hoda | and im not too interested in paying fro licenses upfront |
| 16:46.41 | hoda | but torque is so cool i think i should pay for it |
| 16:46.57 | Patlabor221 | you just said you didn't want to pay for it? |
| 16:47.17 | Chestal | hmm, self destruct is delayed 3s? I wonder whether it should cost 2 points |
| 16:47.35 | hoda | not upfront |
| 16:47.35 | Patlabor221 | what are you going to do when a publisher wants to see your game? how will you get the money to travel? |
| 16:47.57 | hoda | my family is very supportive of my creativity |
| 16:47.58 | dinah | Chestal: self destruct?! |
| 16:48.07 | captain_proton | dinah: for if you get stuck |
| 16:48.16 | Chestal | dinah: yes, added to CVS code |
| 16:48.20 | captain_proton | Chestal: that sounds like a question for riker |
| 16:48.28 | hoda | a plane ticket isnt a problem.... A LAPTOP IS |
| 16:48.37 | captain_proton | though its delayed just as long as a pause |
| 16:48.38 | hoda | i need a laptop.... bad |
| 16:48.42 | Patlabor221 | you'll need a suit too |
| 16:48.46 | captain_proton | there's no reason for them to use self-destruct instead of pause |
| 16:48.48 | Patlabor221 | you need more then a laptop |
| 16:48.48 | hoda | uhhh yes |
| 16:48.48 | Chestal | withotu additional punishment, I woudl assume that peopel picking up bad flags wudl very often just self destruct |
| 16:48.52 | hoda | and a hair cut |
| 16:49.00 | hoda | projector? |
| 16:49.04 | dinah | Chestal: id say only deduct points if self destruct kills nearby tanks, which i doubt it does |
| 16:49.38 | Chestal | dinah: no, my point is, that self destruct is a way to 'escape' a lost battle easily, you lose a point, but your opponent won't get one |
| 16:49.43 | fiberchunks | is there an -echo command to log client control panel messages? |
| 16:49.43 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking more on the line of : socal skills, legal help, marketing staff, and a clue. |
| 16:49.53 | Chestal | of course you can do this by shooting yourself right now already, but that's not as easy |
| 16:50.03 | hoda | i can be socially condusive |
| 16:50.08 | captain_proton | Chestal: pause and self-destruct have the same delay, no? |
| 16:50.08 | dinah | aww but then you could just prevent anyone from scoring |
| 16:50.19 | captain_proton | so it doesn't make sense to use it instead of strategic pausing |
| 16:50.34 | Chestal | captain_proton: yes, but it doesn't quite have the same effect |
| 16:50.38 | hoda | im just a little crazy... |
| 16:50.45 | Patlabor221 | just a little? |
| 16:50.48 | Chestal | proton: well, when you pause, your opponent migh tstill linger around and shoot you |
| 16:50.58 | captain_proton | Chestal: perhaps we should just increase the delay to 10s or something :) |
| 16:51.06 | Patlabor221 | why is a pause needed? |
| 16:51.09 | hoda | to whatever degree im definetly eccentric |
| 16:51.12 | Chestal | proton: also, pausing is very intrusive, everyone will see that you paused. This coudl be handled by making self-destruct very intrusive, too |
| 16:51.19 | Chestal | 10s delay migh tbe a godo idea, too |
| 16:51.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i dunno, but riker said it stays |
| 16:51.30 | Patlabor221 | hoda: you don't say, we couldn't tell. |
| 16:51.32 | Chestal | when you're really stuck, 10s should still be acceptable |
| 16:51.50 | Patlabor221 | cap: other games you just die and hang in limbo |
| 16:51.59 | captain_proton | and 10s is rediculous enough to make its strategic value worthless |
| 16:52.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i know, i know - talk to BZFlag ;) |
| 16:52.36 | Patlabor221 | cap: why what's the point, he never answers me, and geting an answer is like pulling teeth :) |
| 16:52.43 | Chestal | shoudl we have a 'is typing' indicator? |
| 16:53.12 | captain_proton | Chestal: i don't really think so |
| 16:53.24 | BZFlag | who's taking my name in vain? |
| 16:53.36 | Patlabor221 | whoa it summoned him wow |
| 16:53.43 | captain_proton | BZFlag: why oh why do we need to keep pause? |
| 16:53.44 | Chestal | I want labels on tanks while roaming |
| 16:54.05 | BZFlag | captain_proton: cause _I_ like it. ;-) |
| 16:54.22 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: what do you like about it? |
| 16:54.28 | BZFlag | patches to announce intention to pause are welcome. |
| 16:54.46 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: if you are good, you should not have to die just cause the phone rings. |
| 16:54.48 | Chestal | BZFlag: I think self destruct should have a longer delay |
| 16:55.03 | Patlabor221 | safety zones :) |
| 16:55.33 | BZFlag | Chestal: what's the suicide delay now? |
| 16:55.35 | BZFlag | 3s? |
| 16:55.38 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes |
| 16:55.44 | captain_proton | i think 10s is good |
| 16:55.55 | BZFlag | I'd vote for 5 personally. |
| 16:56.10 | Chestal | how about 7? :-) |
| 16:56.13 | Patlabor221 | 7.5 |
| 16:57.12 | Chestal | what's the current teamkilling policy? you die? |
| 16:57.20 | captain_proton | Chestal: yes |
| 16:57.26 | Chestal | I am not sure I like that |
| 16:57.32 | hoda | omg the rear of that mesh is screwey |
| 16:57.34 | captain_proton | would be nice if it was a server option |
| 16:57.35 | Patlabor221 | any thoughts on my friendly fire server flag idea? |
| 16:57.40 | Patlabor221 | hoda yes it is |
| 16:57.41 | Chestal | let me rephrase that: I am sure that I don't liek it :-) |
| 16:57.48 | Chestal | yes, optional would be good |
| 16:58.12 | Chestal | it's purely server based? |
| 16:58.12 | Patlabor221 | on FFA servers no team damamge would be nice in some cases I tink |
| 16:58.19 | Patlabor221 | well now it's not |
| 16:58.23 | Patlabor221 | but it could be |
| 16:58.33 | captain_proton | Chestal: right now i think its all client-side |
| 16:58.42 | captain_proton | we can move it to the server when we move hit detection to the server |
| 16:58.46 | Chestal | I'm talking about CVS code |
| 16:58.58 | Chestal | and the new code is in bzfs |
| 16:59.11 | captain_proton | it is? i guesser its server side :) |
| 16:59.17 | Chestal | I was just wondering, if there were changes to the client, too |
| 16:59.44 | Chestal | because if there were, it would be a bad idea to introduce it now, becuase it woudl give epeople wit newer clients a disadv. |
| 17:00.40 | captain_proton | thats true |
| 17:01.12 | captain_proton | perhaps if we move to a 3-month release schedule & break compatibility every time we could just eschew e8 and release 1.8.1 |
| 17:01.17 | captain_proton | or 1.8.0 |
| 17:01.19 | captain_proton | or whatever |
| 17:01.34 | Chestal | hmm, I think e8 is a good idea |
| 17:01.37 | fiberchunks | pardon me for interrupting...where's the patch for the suicide command (or is there one yet?) |
| 17:01.38 | Dervish | hello everyone |
| 17:01.44 | Dervish | nhey fiber :) |
| 17:01.45 | Chestal | every 3 motnhs incompatible? hmm |
| 17:01.50 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: its in CVS |
| 17:01.52 | fiberchunks | hey dervish |
| 17:01.54 | Chestal | hi Dukot |
| 17:01.55 | Dervish | oops, used to using n to make a msg |
| 17:02.11 | fiberchunks | ah, thx cap |
| 17:02.13 | Dervish | hey Chestal, I haven't seen you on-line in a while, have only seen your posts |
| 17:02.28 | Chestal | Dervish: online here or playing? |
| 17:02.43 | Dervish | Chestal, was that a personal msg? |
| 17:02.55 | Chestal | Dervish: no, a public |
| 17:03.21 | Dervish | cool, your name all of a sudden was in orange |
| 17:03.33 | Dervish | how do you do a personal msg in IRC? |
| 17:03.44 | dinah | /msg nick words |
| 17:03.46 | Chestal | looks like the cgi irc gateway can do nickname recognition |
| 17:04.00 | Dervish | thx dinah |
| 17:04.05 | dinah | sure luv |
| 17:04.09 | captain_proton | Chestal: CGI or java? |
| 17:04.24 | Chestal | CGI:IRC 0.5.CVS |
| 17:04.31 | captain_proton | interesting |
| 17:04.42 | captain_proton | how does it communicate? |
| 17:04.46 | captain_proton | continually reload? |
| 17:04.57 | Chestal | maybe it's using javascript I don't know |
| 17:05.11 | Chestal | Dervish: you're using the #bzfalg-link on stats.bzflag.org? |
| 17:05.27 | Dervish | Chestal, yes |
| 17:05.57 | Dervish | I don't normally bother with IRC or mIRC, but the link is convenient |
| 17:06.01 | Chestal | testingthis: boo! |
| 17:06.09 | testingthis | aha, i see how it works |
| 17:06.22 | testingthis | its got frames, and its using keepalive on the channel frame |
| 17:06.29 | Dervish | yup, very neat |
| 17:06.38 | testingthis | so it just sends more data when there's a new msg |
| 17:06.58 | Dervish | refreshes when a new person joins |
| 17:07.35 | Chestal | hmm, doesn't w3m do frames? |
| 17:07.58 | captain_proton | Chestal: dunno, 'links' does |
| 17:08.42 | Dervish | I used IRC a while back, but mostly newgroups back in college (93, 94??)... it's nice to see a browser client for it now |
| 17:09.20 | Chestal | hm, I fear w3m is too dumb to handle the keepalive, it obviosuly waits for the frame to finish loading before displaying |
| 17:09.30 | Dervish | lol |
| 17:09.58 | Chestal | proton: I am quite fond of the inline image feature of w3m :-) |
| 17:10.01 | Dervish | chestal: this link is chat.ircnet.org/index.cgi |
| 17:10.09 | captain_proton | Chestal: it just shoots off xv right? |
| 17:10.16 | Dervish | so, yeah, CGI |
| 17:10.23 | Chestal | proton: no, it displays images right there in my xterm |
| 17:10.30 | captain_proton | Chestal: i mean to display them |
| 17:10.42 | captain_proton | Chestal: xterm doesn't do graphics ;) |
| 17:11.09 | Dervish | anyone here interested in classic PC games, like from the mid 90's, and wants to buy some on-line? |
| 17:11.25 | Chestal | proton: yes, I know, but it handles it by itself |
| 17:11.44 | Chestal | proton: it somehow gets the id of the xterm windows and forces the image sn there |
| 17:12.26 | Chestal | Dervish: hmm, I once had my C64 nostalgia weeks some years ago where I instaled an emulator and played all my old games again |
| 17:13.09 | Dervish | hehehe, I did the same for TurboGrafx-16 and Sega Master System games on mine... very sweet, although not every game works with every emulator |
| 17:13.46 | Dervish | NES emulation and ROMs are the easiest to fine, C64 isn't so easy :( |
| 17:13.54 | fiberchunks | gotta eat, cya later. Derv, sent you an email..regards. |
| 17:14.02 | Dervish | cya fiber, thx |
| 17:14.09 | Chestal | Dervish: hmm, was quite easy back then, but it must be 4 or 5 years |
| 17:14.25 | Chestal | well, it's off to bed for me, good night |
| 17:14.51 | Dervish | I'm selling a lot of 41 PC game CDs on ebay if you want to take a look, all games from the 90's and may be one from a couple years ago |
| 17:15.00 | Dervish | cya Chestal :) |
| 17:17.58 | captain_proton | Chestal: its probably just creating unmanaged windows in the right spots |
| 17:24.35 | sussudio | Patlabor221: any idea why my bases dont show up in bzedit when i load a map? |
| 17:24.44 | eddie | doh. I don't have write access to cvs. what's the best way to get the new osx stuff in? |
| 17:24.55 | Patlabor221 | they should |
| 17:24.59 | captain_proton | eddie: talk to BZFlag and get added to the project |
| 17:25.33 | eddie | i am added to the project, or atleast I was along time ago :) |
| 17:25.37 | sussudio | Patlabor221: they show up as teleporters?? |
| 17:25.51 | Patlabor221 | ick, cap: what do you want me to do with the current 3d Sterio stuff? it's a build option, want me to make it a regular run time config option? |
| 17:26.01 | Patlabor221 | sussudio? realy wow that's odd. |
| 17:26.12 | Patlabor221 | sussudio I will look into it after 5 |
| 17:26.21 | sussudio | k |
| 17:26.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: its a build option thats on by default |
| 17:26.44 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: its also controlled via a runtime flag |
| 17:26.52 | captain_proton | bzflag -view |
| 17:26.54 | Patlabor221 | I got #ifndef USE_GL_STEREO |
| 17:26.54 | Patlabor221 | mainWindow.setQuadrant(MainWindow::UpperRight); |
| 17:26.54 | Patlabor221 | #endif |
| 17:27.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'd say just leave as-is |
| 17:27.22 | captain_proton | when we have a viewport system we can redo it |
| 17:27.23 | Patlabor221 | and that type of sterio don't work with the new type of glasses |
| 17:29.31 | hoda | hey pat |
| 17:29.45 | hoda | i think i may have destroyed that mesh sclaing it |
| 17:30.07 | hoda | theres some new brokeneness |
| 17:33.22 | Patlabor221 | hoda: how can you break a mesh on scale? |
| 17:33.24 | hoda | ahahahah |
| 17:33.30 | hoda | nm |
| 17:33.41 | Patlabor221 | hoda: what app are you using? and don'y you have a backup? |
| 17:33.42 | hoda | it was an isolated vertice |
| 17:33.48 | hoda | rofl |
| 17:34.03 | hoda | ther was a vertice like way off to the right |
| 17:34.11 | hoda | just a lil dot |
| 17:34.22 | hoda | they made a button for finding them |
| 17:34.31 | hoda | i got tons of backups |
| 17:35.50 | captain_proton | ugggg |
| 17:35.54 | captain_proton | the raw fishies aren't working out so far |
| 17:36.09 | ZlinX | How can i start a server? |
| 17:36.19 | captain_proton | ZlinX: man bzfs |
| 17:36.35 | Patlabor221 | or there are instructions on stats.bzflag.org |
| 17:36.50 | ZlinX | i know but i cant find out where to go :( |
| 17:37.20 | Patlabor221 | http://stats.bzflag.org/script.php |
| 17:37.25 | ZlinX | what do i have to download to start running a server? |
| 17:37.32 | Patlabor221 | the game |
| 17:37.39 | ZlinX | ok |
| 17:37.45 | ZlinX | well im there brb |
| 17:37.51 | Patlabor221 | what os are you on? |
| 17:38.12 | ZlinX | os? |
| 17:38.19 | Patlabor221 | Operating system |
| 17:38.29 | ZlinX | u mean like roadrunner? |
| 17:38.37 | captain_proton | windows? |
| 17:38.41 | ZlinX | ya |
| 17:38.43 | Patlabor221 | it has to be windows |
| 17:38.48 | ZlinX | i have a dell |
| 17:38.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 17:38.56 | Patlabor221 | this will be fun |
| 17:39.02 | ZlinX | dude i got a dell |
| 17:39.03 | Patlabor221 | do you know how to use the command line? |
| 17:39.09 | ZlinX | no |
| 17:39.24 | Patlabor221 | the computer manufacture does not imply what OS you run |
| 17:39.26 | ZlinX | ok so im at where u said but now where do i go to download what i need? |
| 17:39.39 | ZlinX | ooo :( |
| 17:39.40 | Patlabor221 | to properly run a server you need to start it from the command prompt |
| 17:39.44 | ZlinX | your sure about that? |
| 17:39.47 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:39.57 | ZlinX | well do u know how i can create a map? |
| 17:40.00 | captain_proton | ZlinX: if you've installed bzflag, you have the server program |
| 17:40.18 | Patlabor221 | yes there are 2 editors one for linux and one for windows. |
| 17:40.24 | ZlinX | what do u mean server program? |
| 17:40.44 | Patlabor221 | there is a program that runs the server |
| 17:40.48 | Patlabor221 | it is installed with the game |
| 17:40.54 | ZlinX | ok well how do i do that? |
| 17:41.06 | ZlinX | o i know that |
| 17:41.11 | ZlinX | at start server right |
| 17:41.19 | Patlabor221 | that is 1 way to start it |
| 17:41.30 | Patlabor221 | do you want to run a permanent server? |
| 17:41.34 | ZlinX | no i want to create one that i can admin and stuff |
| 17:41.37 | ZlinX | ya |
| 17:41.48 | Patlabor221 | then you have to start it manualy with the command line |
| 17:41.56 | ZlinX | where is that? |
| 17:42.03 | Patlabor221 | hooo boy |
| 17:42.17 | Patlabor221 | lets do this in private so we don't piss off the channel |
| 17:42.31 | ZlinX | ok |
| 17:42.57 | Patlabor221 | dmaned tech support geene. |
| 17:47.30 | Patlabor221 | what are the options so a server can be listed on the listserv? |
| 17:48.06 | captain_proton | -public "description" is the most important one |
| 17:48.14 | captain_proton | -publiclist isn't necessary |
| 17:48.28 | captain_proton | -publidaddr host:port is required if the system is natted |
| 17:48.41 | captain_proton | or doesn't have the desired PTR |
| 17:49.13 | sussudio | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/avatar.php?userid=7&dateline=1036618182 |
| 17:49.14 | sussudio | heh. |
| 17:52.13 | hoda | how do i reset my settings without running bzflag? |
| 17:52.29 | Patlabor221 | edit the config |
| 17:52.39 | Patlabor221 | it's in your my documents folder |
| 17:52.48 | Patlabor221 | /me replaces the line " // get path to application. this is ridiculously complex. |
| 17:52.54 | Patlabor221 | with a single function. |
| 17:53.22 | captain_proton | heh |
| 17:53.40 | Patlabor221 | there is a nice little api func called "GetModulePath" |
| 17:54.40 | hoda | how could i code breasts into my game? |
| 17:54.44 | hoda | bbl |
| 17:54.51 | hoda | discuss amongst yourselves |
| 17:55.02 | Patlabor221 | umm how bout you just grow up. |
| 17:55.02 | captain_proton | hmm Patlabor221 opinion on this: |
| 17:55.07 | captain_proton | if (key.ascii != 0 && isspace(key.ascii)) { |
| 17:55.07 | captain_proton | if (key.ascii != ' ' && key.ascii != '\t' && key.ascii != '\r') |
| 17:55.07 | captain_proton | return true; |
| 17:55.07 | captain_proton | } |
| 17:55.17 | captain_proton | will that -ever- get to the return true? |
| 17:55.53 | Patlabor221 | with && no |
| 17:55.57 | Patlabor221 | needs || |
| 17:56.05 | Patlabor221 | at least in the second one |
| 17:56.18 | Patlabor221 | if (key.ascii != ' ' || key.ascii != '\t' || key.ascii != '\r') |
| 17:56.27 | Patlabor221 | and more parens |
| 17:56.35 | captain_proton | no, the inner if works fine |
| 17:56.42 | captain_proton | but it looks to me like the inner and outer conflict |
| 17:56.59 | Patlabor221 | is space will return true for all 3 of those cased |
| 17:57.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's a !+ |
| 17:57.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah you won't get there |
| 17:59.05 | Patlabor221 | where was that? |
| 17:59.21 | captain_proton | in the menus code |
| 17:59.28 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 17:59.43 | ZlinX | g2g |
| 17:59.52 | ZlinX | thanks for your help pat |
| 18:00.00 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 18:00.08 | ZlinX | bye |
| 18:00.11 | Patlabor221 | bye |
| 18:00.42 | ZlinX | ill be leaving i a bit |
| 18:01.02 | Patlabor221 | good luck with it all. |
| 18:03.42 | hoda | so an image map |
| 18:03.46 | hoda | then? |
| 18:03.52 | Patlabor221 | for? |
| 18:03.59 | captain_proton | oofa |
| 18:04.04 | hoda | breasts... ofcourse |
| 18:04.11 | Patlabor221 | riiiiiiighhttt |
| 18:04.19 | hoda | lol yes with a transform routine |
| 18:04.23 | Patlabor221 | you need inversenipomatics |
| 18:04.25 | captain_proton | the resolution list code in BzfDisplay is intertwined with the video mode menu |
| 18:04.32 | hoda | :| |
| 18:04.34 | hoda | nm |
| 18:04.35 | Patlabor221 | real time mellon management |
| 18:04.43 | hoda | yes a mellon ngine |
| 18:05.03 | Patlabor221 | cap: I remember when it couldn't change rezes |
| 18:05.13 | Patlabor221 | man he is sooo screwed. |
| 18:05.32 | captain_proton | well hmm |
| 18:05.39 | captain_proton | LGE handles resolution switching just fine |
| 18:05.44 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 18:05.53 | captain_proton | but the menus are gonna be broken as hell after i finish this |
| 18:06.32 | Patlabor221 | easyer to hook them up with pannel manager? |
| 18:07.13 | captain_proton | maybe i'll leave them broken for now |
| 18:07.32 | captain_proton | then once we have BZDB implemented and loadable UI stuff for the panel manager we can hook it up |
| 18:07.48 | captain_proton | btw, how goes the scene database stuff? |
| 18:08.12 | Patlabor221 | I am picking throughit trying to grock it |
| 18:08.30 | Patlabor221 | I am cleaning up winmain out of a sence of dignity tho :) |
| 18:10.53 | captain_proton | damn, couldn't arrange for the raw fishies |
| 18:10.53 | Patlabor221 | ahh my lovely new comment " // get path to application. this is no longer ridiculously complex. |
| 18:13.52 | BZFlag | ibot: seen eddie |
| 18:13.53 | | eddie is currently on #bzflag (2h 39m 28s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 48m 20s |
| 18:14.59 | BZFlag | eddie has commit access. he probably checked things out under anonymous. I gotta run. give him a hand if needed so he can the mac changes into cvs. |
| 18:15.28 | BZFlag | he has had commit access fo quite some time, but it looks like he has not used them yet. |
| 18:15.33 | BZFlag | back later. |
| 18:20.01 | Patlabor221 | wow I'm amazed this stuff ran on windows |
| 18:20.09 | Patlabor221 | or at elast didn't puke on exit |
| 18:21.38 | Patlabor221 | your not suposed to delete the memory that is used for the string paramater that are passed into winmain :) |
| 18:23.36 | sussudio | "Now you can add/remove IP addresses to the ban list! Test it out and tell us if you find things that don't work." |
| 18:24.19 | sussudio | where would this illusive ban list be? |
| 18:24.24 | captain_proton | sussudio: you need bzcop |
| 18:24.54 | sussudio | bzcop? |
| 18:25.14 | Patlabor221 | ohh for the love of god, why is there gl code in playing.cxx? |
| 18:25.22 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: indeed |
| 18:25.49 | Patlabor221 | ohhhhh crap |
| 18:25.54 | Patlabor221 | crap crap carp car |
| 18:25.59 | Patlabor221 | this isn't lge port |
| 18:26.01 | sussudio | carp car? |
| 18:26.01 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 18:26.09 | Patlabor221 | crap carp car |
| 18:26.10 | sussudio | i dont think fish can hold the steering wheel |
| 18:26.16 | Patlabor221 | staples |
| 18:26.23 | sussudio | what about stick shift |
| 18:26.28 | Patlabor221 | string |
| 18:26.47 | sussudio | must be a big fish |
| 18:27.00 | Patlabor221 | large herring |
| 18:27.06 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you're working on /svn/bzflag/1.7 ? |
| 18:27.21 | Patlabor221 | so it seems |
| 18:27.24 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* |
| 18:27.30 | Patlabor221 | well I can merge |
| 18:31.35 | sussudio | ibot is already getting blootbot brainrot...... |
| 18:31.36 | | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:32.27 | sussudio | ibot you're demented |
| 18:32.27 | | i don't know, sussudio |
| 18:32.34 | sussudio | exactly |
| 18:35.16 | Patlabor221 | susssudi I'll look at the base thing when I get to the other office |
| 18:36.34 | Patlabor221 | I know I tested bases before |
| 18:36.37 | Patlabor221 | can you make them? |
| 18:36.48 | Patlabor221 | or is it just an opening thing? |
| 18:38.43 | sussudio | opening |
| 18:39.34 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 18:39.43 | Patlabor221 | must just not have then ent type right |
| 18:39.47 | sussudio | #!name Base-0 |
| 18:39.48 | sussudio | base |
| 18:39.48 | sussudio | position 284 278 65 |
| 18:39.48 | sussudio | rotation 0 |
| 18:39.48 | sussudio | size 10 10 10 |
| 18:39.48 | sussudio | color 1 |
| 18:39.50 | sussudio | end |
| 18:39.58 | Patlabor221 | that looks like a base to me |
| 18:40.10 | sussudio | it gets displayed as some freaky teleporter |
| 18:40.36 | Patlabor221 | proialby need to add 1 or someting since the base is right after the TP |
| 18:40.47 | Patlabor221 | ok I'll look at it when I get to office #2 |
| 18:40.52 | Patlabor221 | see ya all in a bit |
| 18:40.54 | sussudio | tp? |
| 18:41.02 | Patlabor221 | teleporter |
| 18:41.05 | sussudio | oh teleport |
| 18:41.21 | Patlabor221 | or bog rolls depeding on your location :) |
| 18:42.32 | hoda | oh hey guys i have alot of sound gear so i can whip up some sounds for you |
| 18:42.42 | hoda | i might have some as it is |
| 18:45.29 | sussudio | i wonder if shrub can point out iraq on a world map |
| 18:45.34 | sussudio | or canada |
| 18:47.21 | hoda | lol |
| 18:47.33 | hoda | goerge |
| 18:47.59 | sussudio | shrub: "hmm is there any countries we haven't bombed in the middle east?" |
| 18:48.08 | sussudio | dick: "yes, hungary!" |
| 18:48.12 | sussudio | shrub: "let's bomb it!" |
| 18:48.20 | sussudio | dick: "um i was kidding, that's not even close" |
| 18:48.36 | sussudio | shrub: "let's bomb it anyway, them hungarians must have done something bad to the US" |
| 18:49.48 | hoda | your a terrorist now |
| 18:49.58 | hoda | for saying that |
| 18:50.13 | hoda | you have no civil rights now |
| 18:53.41 | hoda | terrorists are everywhere |
| 19:01.53 | sussudio | i am not an americnan mkay |
| 19:02.24 | hoda | well your going to have to get bombed now |
| 19:02.28 | hoda | u c |
| 19:02.39 | hoda | us americans get to kill anyone else |
| 19:02.40 | sussudio | yeah they made a law for that |
| 19:02.48 | sussudio | except your laws dont apply to MY country |
| 19:02.54 | sussudio | so fuck you dubya |
| 19:03.04 | hoda | well then usa has to kill you and family |
| 19:03.19 | hoda | that will break it all fixed |
| 19:03.28 | captain_proton | last i checked we were pretty indifferent to the netherlands |
| 19:03.51 | captain_proton | if need be we could make a parking lot of the entire country in about 30 minutes, so we don't much care |
| 19:03.58 | hoda | lol |
| 19:04.06 | hoda | a self lit glass parking lot |
| 19:04.29 | sussudio | yeah except you have that whole nato thing going....... |
| 19:04.38 | sussudio | if someone attacks a nato country you have to attack them |
| 19:04.43 | sussudio | so you'd have to blow yourselves up |
| 19:04.50 | hoda | yes |
| 19:04.56 | hoda | self detonation is logical |
| 19:05.23 | hoda | most americans are in jail |
| 19:05.40 | captain_proton | sussudio: it would be for the best |
| 19:05.40 | hoda | for drug crimes |
| 19:05.40 | captain_proton | i still think what this country really needs is an EU invasion |
| 19:05.51 | hoda | china is unstoppable |
| 19:05.51 | sussudio | or a canadian invasion |
| 19:06.00 | hoda | and infinite |
| 19:06.05 | sussudio | except they dont have guns in canada |
| 19:06.09 | sussudio | so that would kinda suck |
| 19:06.12 | hoda | china could take over america |
| 19:06.20 | hoda | americans have lots of guns |
| 19:06.30 | hoda | not enough to kill all the chinese people |
| 19:06.33 | hoda | tho |
| 19:06.58 | sussudio | man, all the chinese have to do is spike your noodles |
| 19:07.07 | hoda | lol |
| 19:07.08 | sussudio | "msg" = poison |
| 19:07.13 | hoda | they make all american products |
| 19:07.27 | hoda | russians wont eat american chicken... |
| 19:07.33 | hoda | wb pat |
| 19:07.45 | sussudio | no, they only want genuine 5-legged chernobyl chicken |
| 19:07.52 | hoda | that mesh is pretty symetrical |
| 19:09.00 | Patlabor221 | I am having issues |
| 19:09.07 | Patlabor221 | what was that now? |
| 19:09.20 | hoda | that mesh is fixed |
| 19:09.30 | hoda | but all the poly's arent symetrical yet |
| 19:09.38 | Patlabor221 | do they have to be? |
| 19:09.46 | hoda | to skin the nicest |
| 19:09.59 | Patlabor221 | depends on how you want to skin |
| 19:10.18 | hoda | well |
| 19:10.18 | Patlabor221 | simetrical skins don't allow left/right variation |
| 19:10.26 | Patlabor221 | never do symetricals on faces. |
| 19:10.28 | hoda | the nose and bottum werent mapped poperly |
| 19:10.42 | hoda | *uv |
| 19:10.59 | hoda | so once thats done i guess the geom stays static and its done |
| 19:11.03 | Patlabor221 | nor was the sides and back |
| 19:11.07 | Patlabor221 | and the turret |
| 19:11.08 | hoda | oh yeah |
| 19:11.10 | Patlabor221 | and the barrell |
| 19:11.13 | hoda | back is done |
| 19:11.21 | hoda | sides are unrefined |
| 19:11.30 | hoda | back was a bitch |
| 19:11.44 | Patlabor221 | should have just been a planear map |
| 19:12.08 | hoda | well its still not right exactly |
| 19:12.20 | hoda | but im not sure what it should look like exactly |
| 19:12.37 | hoda | i gueaas low poly as possible |
| 19:12.44 | Patlabor221 | dosn't your app show you the UVs as you map them with a grid texture? |
| 19:12.50 | hoda | nope |
| 19:12.53 | hoda | 3ds BLOWS |
| 19:12.58 | hoda | for uv mapping |
| 19:13.01 | Patlabor221 | don't use it then |
| 19:13.05 | hoda | ohhhh |
| 19:13.08 | hoda | planar map |
| 19:13.09 | Patlabor221 | 3ds is dos |
| 19:13.10 | hoda | uv map |
| 19:13.15 | hoda | yeah |
| 19:13.20 | Patlabor221 | yes those are the words I used |
| 19:13.22 | hoda | nah |
| 19:13.32 | hoda | i thought you meant sumthin else |
| 19:13.38 | Patlabor221 | max is windows |
| 19:13.41 | hoda | so many terms |
| 19:13.42 | bzdouggg | a yup |
| 19:13.43 | Patlabor221 | 3ds r4 is dos |
| 19:13.50 | bzdouggg | free? |
| 19:13.55 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:13.56 | hoda | gmax=free |
| 19:13.59 | bzdouggg | bah |
| 19:14.00 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:14.04 | bzdouggg | who uses dos anyway? |
| 19:14.08 | bzdouggg | for 3d stuff |
| 19:14.08 | Patlabor221 | doug max replaced dos |
| 19:14.14 | hoda | 486's |
| 19:14.18 | Patlabor221 | I mean max replaced reguar stuido r4 |
| 19:14.24 | bzdouggg | so give 3ds away |
| 19:14.42 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't run well in windows |
| 19:14.42 | bzdouggg | like apple, gives away old system OS's |
| 19:14.49 | hoda | gmax is free and identical to 3dsmax's interace |
| 19:14.54 | Patlabor221 | noone cares about it any more |
| 19:15.00 | Patlabor221 | it's similar yes |
| 19:15.08 | hoda | VERY SIMILAR looking |
| 19:15.16 | hoda | but only saves in .3ds |
| 19:15.25 | Patlabor221 | it only saves in .gmax |
| 19:15.27 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 19:15.36 | Patlabor221 | if it did 3ds then it would be usefull |
| 19:15.40 | hoda | export to 3ds? |
| 19:15.41 | bzdouggg | locking my computer causes 3dsmax to barf |
| 19:15.51 | Patlabor221 | then don't do that |
| 19:15.59 | bzdouggg | I need to |
| 19:16.17 | Patlabor221 | max is a very specailised app, it dosn't play nice with the other children |
| 19:16.17 | bzdouggg | what design? |
| 19:16.19 | Patlabor221 | show me? |
| 19:16.24 | captain_proton | BZFlag in a nutshell |
| 19:16.29 | bzdouggg | oooh |
| 19:16.30 | Patlabor221 | yes I like that |
| 19:16.32 | bzdouggg | thats funny |
| 19:16.52 | Patlabor221 | it needs like the top 5 "Tips" after it |
| 19:17.01 | bzdouggg | hah |
| 19:17.02 | captain_proton | maybe do the top10 list on the back |
| 19:17.16 | Patlabor221 | that would be keen |
| 19:17.31 | bzdouggg | Kewl? |
| 19:18.03 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 19:18.11 | captain_proton | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZTopTen.html |
| 19:18.18 | bzdouggg | its DX that causes 3dsmax to barf |
| 19:18.41 | bzdouggg | switch to opengl and it works |
| 19:18.57 | Patlabor221 | max works better with gl yes |
| 19:19.01 | Patlabor221 | if you hve good drivers |
| 19:19.07 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 19:19.12 | bzdouggg | thee latest |
| 19:19.20 | Patlabor221 | the det 40s? |
| 19:19.24 | bzdouggg | kewl, a blowing up asteroid |
| 19:19.25 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 19:19.32 | Patlabor221 | the det 40's are crap |
| 19:19.37 | Patlabor221 | unstable as hell |
| 19:19.44 | bzdouggg | oh? |
| 19:19.51 | Patlabor221 | they are beta |
| 19:19.55 | captain_proton | nv just came out with freebsd drivers :) |
| 19:19.59 | Patlabor221 | beta gl 1.4 imp |
| 19:20.05 | hoda | yay |
| 19:20.13 | bzdouggg | HMM |
| 19:20.26 | bzdouggg | I might have gone to det 30 for the shutter glasses |
| 19:23.26 | sussudio | bummer about dos is that it doesnt see more than 64mb |
| 19:24.04 | sussudio | i guess i could make a 896MB ramdisk or something |
| 19:24.20 | Patlabor221 | Dos4gW.exe |
| 19:24.33 | sussudio | yes, thats an extender. |
| 19:24.44 | sussudio | dos itself still doesnt see more than 64 |
| 19:24.49 | Patlabor221 | that's what our apps used |
| 19:25.28 | sussudio | it behaves better than win95 actually |
| 19:25.32 | sussudio | dos, i mean |
| 19:25.38 | sussudio | win95 totally barfs on 1GB of mem |
| 19:25.43 | hoda | ive never used win95 |
| 19:26.10 | Patlabor221 | 95 wouldn't use more then 64 ether |
| 19:26.14 | lurgyman | it's like 98 |
| 19:26.17 | Patlabor221 | had the same dos mem man |
| 19:26.20 | lurgyman | except older |
| 19:26.28 | lurgyman | roughly 3 years older |
| 19:26.30 | sussudio | hmm i think it had a 512MB limit |
| 19:26.32 | captain_proton | naah |
| 19:26.33 | Patlabor221 | ME upped it to 128 |
| 19:26.34 | captain_proton | 2 years older |
| 19:26.42 | lurgyman | give or take 3 years |
| 19:26.44 | Patlabor221 | 95 didn't ship in 95 |
| 19:26.47 | sussudio | 98 does 512 |
| 19:27.01 | lurgyman | 2.4.19-gentoo sources does 3G |
| 19:27.11 | sussudio | there's probably a table somewhere |
| 19:27.24 | Patlabor221 | it dosnt' do 512 well |
| 19:27.30 | hoda | lol |
| 19:27.41 | hoda | it runs with ghetto parts good |
| 19:28.19 | hoda | thats what it does |
| 19:28.19 | hoda | well |
| 19:28.19 | hoda | and it works for simple applications |
| 19:28.19 | bzdouggg | I can run with 20 gigs of ram easy |
| 19:28.26 | hoda | moron |
| 19:28.28 | Patlabor221 | 20 gigs wow that's impresive |
| 19:28.41 | hoda | i got a yodabyte |
| 19:28.43 | Patlabor221 | considering thats more then a 32 bit address. |
| 19:28.44 | bzdouggg | I could do 100 in a pinch |
| 19:28.56 | hoda | your not serious ofcourse |
| 19:29.01 | bzdouggg | sure |
| 19:29.16 | bzdouggg | gimme a bag to hold them all and I can run no sweat |
| 19:29.25 | sussudio | dont mind him, he's from kentucky |
| 19:29.32 | hoda | oh i c |
| 19:29.39 | bzdouggg | a yup |
| 19:29.45 | bzdouggg | (hic) |
| 19:29.48 | lurgyman | meow |
| 19:29.58 | sussudio | ITSABADKITTYCANTHAVEMYPOTPIE |
| 19:30.15 | lurgyman | DOESAGOODKITTYGETYOURPOTPIE |
| 19:30.18 | captain_proton | ibot: kittens |
| 19:30.18 | | captain_proton: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:30.18 | hoda | PUTHEKIDDYINTHEPOTPIE |
| 19:30.20 | sussudio | no |
| 19:30.26 | lurgyman | WOWCASESENSITIVITYANDSPACESAREFORLOSERSMAN |
| 19:30.39 | bzdouggg | ~kittens is <reply> taste like chicken |
| 19:30.39 | | bzdouggg: okay |
| 19:30.42 | sussudio | actually, i remapped capslock to tab |
| 19:31.08 | captain_proton | i should xmodmap my capslock to tab too |
| 19:31.10 | captain_proton | i never use it |
| 19:31.23 | lurgyman | ITHINKILLTRTHEENTIRETEXTOFJANEAUSTINSEMMATOTHISANDITWILLBEAMAZINGANDEVERYONEWILLWANTTOREADITBECAUSEITSJUSTSOEASYTOREAD |
| 19:31.34 | sussudio | i use tab for jumping in bzf |
| 19:31.42 | sussudio | keep hitting capslock and shouting to people |
| 19:31.45 | bzdouggg | no space I see |
| 19:32.13 | sussudio | REGEDIT4 |
| 19:32.13 | sussudio | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] |
| 19:32.13 | sussudio | "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,0f,00,3a,00,00,00,00,00 |
| 19:32.30 | sussudio | that'll do it for win2k |
| 19:32.35 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 19:32.46 | lurgyman | WHATAGOOFYOS |
| 19:33.10 | sussudio | wussy music on mtv |
| 19:33.12 | sussudio | bah |
| 19:33.29 | lurgyman | YEAHLIKEUSUALTHEYARENTPLAYINGMAHLERORSHOSTAKOVICH |
| 19:33.36 | bzdouggg | ahhh its the booger101 man! |
| 19:33.52 | booger101 | ya |
| 19:34.00 | sussudio | -|- (Nine_Inch_Nails)_[01]_Mr._Self_Destruct.mp3 (7,403,959 bytes 219kbps VBR Joint Stereo 4mins 31secs Genre:Industrial Year:1994 Album:The Downward Spiral |
| 19:34.03 | sussudio | there, that's better |
| 19:34.05 | hoda | yay |
| 19:34.21 | sussudio | well, louder anyway |
| 19:34.44 | hoda | every day is holloween... |
| 19:34.53 | sussudio | every day is like sunday |
| 19:35.03 | hoda | haaaay |
| 19:35.18 | hoda | everydaaaay |
| 19:35.43 | lurgyman | HALLOWEENISTHESAMEASCHRISTMAS |
| 19:36.14 | bzdouggg | your space dotn work? |
| 19:36.23 | hoda | cosmic fragmentation occured at 0800 hours |
| 19:36.23 | bzdouggg | whoops, your a "space case" |
| 19:36.26 | sussudio | space....... the final frontier |
| 19:36.39 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: how goes it? |
| 19:36.39 | hoda | diana troy... |
| 19:36.44 | lurgyman | |
| 19:36.46 | sussudio | deana |
| 19:36.48 | bzdouggg | the space in sussudio's head...... the final frontier |
| 19:36.48 | hoda | the last frontier |
| 19:36.49 | lurgyman | THERESALLYOURSPACES |
| 19:36.51 | MrApathyCream | s'ok |
| 19:37.17 | hoda | diana troy's last frontier is being probed in shuttle bay 3 captain |
| 19:37.22 | lurgyman | HAVEFUN |
| 19:37.30 | lurgyman | SADFASDF |
| 19:37.39 | Patlabor221 | sussudio: I fixed your base problem |
| 19:37.46 | Patlabor221 | but I don't know if I have current code here |
| 19:37.53 | lurgyman | wrpy |
| 19:38.06 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/bzeditw32-basefix.zip |
| 19:38.25 | Patlabor221 | it may not have draging or other stuff :( |
| 19:38.45 | Patlabor221 | I grabed the wrong code on the way here |
| 19:39.21 | sussudio | Patlabor221: mkay |
| 19:39.56 | Patlabor221 | if that's ok with cap |
| 19:39.59 | hoda | im playing secret of mana rom |
| 19:40.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: for bzedit? sure |
| 19:40.16 | Patlabor221 | yes for bzedit |
| 19:40.26 | Patlabor221 | well 2 of them |
| 19:40.28 | Patlabor221 | the current one |
| 19:40.51 | captain_proton | just create branches in 1 repository |
| 19:41.29 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:41.46 | Patlabor221 | I also have the "busted all to hell gonna make it not MFC" one. |
| 19:43.22 | sussudio | Patlabor221: thats a vewwy vewwy bad bzedit |
| 19:43.31 | sussudio | it crashes |
| 19:43.35 | bzdouggg | haha |
| 19:43.49 | Patlabor221 | well then it's not new code |
| 19:44.16 | sussudio | it says 0.75a in about |
| 19:44.32 | Patlabor221 | ooooollllh |
| 19:44.40 | sussudio | :-B |
| 19:44.44 | Patlabor221 | well then I can't fix it till tomrow |
| 19:44.48 | sussudio | snort. |
| 19:45.16 | Patlabor221 | I don't have code that will build here |
| 19:45.24 | bzdouggg | *borp* |
| 19:45.36 | Patlabor221 | and it seems I didn't post the code for the current one that you have now |
| 19:46.02 | Chatuser | hey guys, so who here is the best player here? |
| 19:46.09 | MiltonUser | me |
| 19:46.19 | bzdouggg | me |
| 19:46.23 | MiltonUser | me |
| 19:46.33 | MiltonUser | him |
| 19:46.40 | Chatuser | nah.. lol |
| 19:46.43 | Patlabor221 | bob the fish |
| 19:46.45 | sussudio | doug |
| 19:46.49 | MiltonUser | fred the oyster |
| 19:46.51 | sussudio | except doug dies a lot |
| 19:46.55 | sussudio | so umm |
| 19:46.56 | Patlabor221 | hoda |
| 19:47.05 | MiltonUser | soda |
| 19:47.05 | bzdouggg | kamazazi |
| 19:47.08 | Patlabor221 | ibot is realy the best player |
| 19:47.08 | | bugger all, i dunno, Patlabor221 |
| 19:47.17 | Patlabor221 | see he's too modest |
| 19:47.18 | MiltonUser | and modest, too |
| 19:47.24 | bzdouggg | indeed |
| 19:47.26 | MiltonUser | what a guy |
| 19:47.37 | sussudio | ace rimmer? |
| 19:47.43 | MiltonUser | hehe |
| 19:47.47 | Chatuser | how long do you guys have playing bzflag? years, month, days? |
| 19:47.52 | MiltonUser | yup |
| 19:48.08 | bzdouggg | me too |
| 19:48.11 | Patlabor221 | milliseconds |
| 19:48.14 | captain_proton | hmm, approaching 5 years |
| 19:48.55 | MiltonUser | lim n->time bzflag(n) = 5 years |
| 19:49.34 | watt | 00000011 years |
| 19:49.52 | Chatuser | lol |
| 19:50.08 | Chatuser | humm that would equal 3 years in binary.. |
| 19:50.15 | bzdouggg | hah |
| 19:50.24 | bzdouggg | ~bin2dec 00000011 |
| 19:50.24 | | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 19:50.30 | bzdouggg | BAH! |
| 19:50.46 | Chatuser | anyone up for a 1 on 1? |
| 19:50.53 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: you need the bot to do that? |
| 19:50.57 | bzdouggg | no |
| 19:51.20 | captain_proton | so you just do it because you feel the need to pollute the channel even further? |
| 19:51.29 | MiltonUser | WHERE'S THE FOOD? |
| 19:51.44 | Chatuser | who? |
| 19:51.45 | watt | this reminds me of the old west when gunslingers would challenge each other |
| 19:51.46 | bzdouggg | pullute! |
| 19:52.45 | Chatuser | i want to take on watt (lol) i'll give him the pucker factor! |
| 19:53.08 | Patlabor221 | doug what is 128/256 |
| 19:53.17 | bzdouggg | ? |
| 19:53.21 | bzdouggg | 128 |
| 19:53.36 | watt | 1/2 |
| 19:53.52 | captain_proton | FOOOOOOD |
| 19:53.52 | Chatuser | why the silence so loud? |
| 19:55.01 | Patlabor221 | cus it's heavy metal silence. |
| 19:55.05 | Chatuser | "is there anybody out there" (Pink Floyd) |
| 19:55.39 | bzdouggg | Sound of silence |
| 19:56.58 | watt | gotta go... someone's trying to cross the moat |
| 19:57.31 | sussudio | http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200210/df20021024.jpg |
| 19:58.12 | bzdouggg | LOL |
| 20:04.09 | sussudio | You have 5 Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em! |
| 20:04.36 | bzdouggg | hah |
| 20:13.19 | sussudio | http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200210/df20021001.jpg |
| 20:22.38 | hoda | oh yes |
| 20:22.43 | hoda | my game needs moats |
| 20:23.04 | hoda | filled with meatgrinders |
| 20:26.52 | Patlabor221 | how does that work with the mech/fps/rpg? |
| 20:29.08 | bzdouggg | steel grinders |
| 20:29.19 | Patlabor221 | should throw some RTS in there too |
| 20:30.18 | bzdouggg | RTS? |
| 20:30.36 | Patlabor221 | RTS! |
| 20:30.56 | bzdouggg | ah... |
| 20:30.59 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 20:31.13 | bzdouggg | why does this export into illustrator format? |
| 20:34.14 | Patlabor221 | does what |
| 20:34.37 | bzdouggg | 3dsmax |
| 20:34.57 | Patlabor221 | illustrator can read some 3d stuff |
| 20:35.16 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 20:35.47 | Patlabor221 | or it may flaten the image in a view and convert it to EPS shaped |
| 20:35.55 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 20:36.06 | Patlabor221 | hurray for peer!!! |
| 20:36.14 | bzdouggg | yay |
| 20:46.25 | sussudio | hurray for boobies |
| 20:51.41 | Patlabor221 | mmmm boobies |
| 21:29.35 | sussudio | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/2630/2002/4/0/8464351/ |
| 21:29.39 | sussudio | is there any chance of this being fixed? |
| 21:31.19 | Patlabor221 | I've had that happen too |
| 21:31.24 | Patlabor221 | from what I've read it's a windows thing |
| 21:31.36 | Patlabor221 | if you crash and don't set the gamma for the card back, you get screwed |
| 21:31.58 | Patlabor221 | SDL may help with it |
| 21:32.13 | sussudio | sdl being? |
| 21:32.27 | Patlabor221 | a library that handles GL and window setup |
| 21:32.34 | Patlabor221 | it's part of LGE |
| 21:32.42 | Patlabor221 | and caps working on geting LGE into BZ |
| 21:32.56 | sussudio | well bzf crashed on connecting to jzaun again. |
| 21:33.00 | sussudio | if only it had a timeout |
| 21:33.04 | Patlabor221 | tho he had bastardize my poor little LGE to do it. |
| 21:39.02 | fiberchunks | lge? |
| 21:40.35 | Patlabor221 | LGE! |
| 21:41.28 | fiberchunks | sorry, what does it stand for? |
| 21:42.18 | Patlabor221 | the Little Gl Engine |
| 21:42.28 | fiberchunks | ah, thanks |
| 21:46.46 | fiberchunks | mmm, thought SDL was a stand alone lib. |
| 21:48.26 | fiberchunks | is there any way to graduate the velocity of the tank using keys? |
| 21:49.03 | Patlabor221 | no not currently |
| 21:49.09 | Patlabor221 | keyboards aren't analog |
| 21:49.23 | fiberchunks | right, keyPress, keyRelease... |
| 21:50.06 | sussudio | mice suck |
| 21:50.46 | fiberchunks | another one: is anyone planning on making the keymapping more generic (no hardcoded motion buttons?) |
| 21:51.01 | sussudio | you can somewhat change your speed by pressing A |
| 21:51.22 | fiberchunks | yes, but not with the granularity that the mouse provides. :( |
| 21:52.28 | sussudio | can you use a gamepad with bzf? |
| 21:52.47 | fiberchunks | not yet I don't think... |
| 21:52.56 | sussudio | bummer..... it's preferable to a mouse |
| 21:53.12 | sussudio | i have one of those gravis things somewhere...... |
| 21:53.15 | fiberchunks | yeah, I could handle that...haven't tried yet with a joystick |
| 21:53.27 | sussudio | 4 cursors 3 buttons i think |
| 21:53.55 | fiberchunks | I'd like to be able to map motion to the number pad.. |
| 21:54.44 | fiberchunks | perhaps use the + / - for proportional velocity? |
| 21:55.04 | fiberchunks | 0 for slow keyboard motion |
| 21:55.40 | Patlabor221 | the only thing that could realy be done is like time held = more velocity |
| 21:56.03 | fiberchunks | would that be dependent upon keyboard repeat rate and delay? |
| 21:56.40 | Patlabor221 | not nesisarlaly |
| 21:56.45 | Patlabor221 | tht's all software anyway |
| 21:56.53 | Patlabor221 | OS software |
| 21:57.14 | Patlabor221 | there is a function to poll the state |
| 21:57.20 | Patlabor221 | so it could be figured out |
| 21:58.12 | fiberchunks | as it is now...I can only select message recipient via killing myself, then hitting the message to key, then cycling..anything else is borked (game play, paused, etc) |
| 21:58.24 | fiberchunks | or coming in after a death. |
| 21:58.45 | Patlabor221 | I think ~ should be set up for messages |
| 21:59.36 | fiberchunks | for all messages, or just 'send to' |
| 22:01.18 | Patlabor221 | ` for globals |
| 22:01.28 | fiberchunks | ah... |
| 22:01.36 | Patlabor221 | or maybe backwards |
| 22:02.27 | fiberchunks | how hard you think it would be to patch remapping keys to select recipients (shift+k1/k2)? |
| 22:03.21 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 22:03.52 | fiberchunks | hrm... |
| 22:04.34 | fiberchunks | if ~ is message to recipient, you will still need a set to cycle recipients yes? |
| 22:05.01 | fiberchunks | for those of us who use keyboards, that is |
| 22:05.20 | Patlabor221 | proalby |
| 22:07.05 | fiberchunks | another thing is the myTank->jump(); statement..which causes grief since jump is mapped to G... |
| 22:08.24 | Patlabor221 | I think all input needs to be re-evaluated |
| 22:08.51 | fiberchunks | concur |
| 22:09.10 | Patlabor221 | but code needs to be cleaned |
| 22:09.20 | fiberchunks | some constraints on the mouse movement within the HUD bounding box would be nice as well |
| 22:09.24 | Patlabor221 | and things like net and cheating need to be addressed. |
| 22:09.38 | fiberchunks | certainly true, and definitely higher priority... |
| 22:09.55 | fiberchunks | why was 1.8 dropped/stalled/whatever? |
| 22:09.58 | Patlabor221 | I still need to do the turret aiming tests |
| 22:10.01 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 is dead |
| 22:10.17 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 will be upateded into a new 1.8 |
| 22:10.59 | fiberchunks | ah, 1.8 code is easier to grok anyway... |
| 22:11.34 | Patlabor221 | no, no it's not |
| 22:11.36 | Patlabor221 | it's messyer |
| 22:11.39 | Patlabor221 | and incomplete |
| 22:11.49 | fiberchunks | ah... |
| 22:11.57 | Patlabor221 | amd the only person who knows how it worked isn't working on it anymore |
| 22:12.07 | fiberchunks | crs? |
| 22:12.11 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:12.33 | fiberchunks | what kind of turret motion: elevation / angular or both? |
| 22:12.42 | Patlabor221 | that is the questions. |
| 22:13.34 | Patlabor221 | and now i must go. |
| 22:18.58 | xxxxxxx | dose anyony have bzedit |
| 22:19.56 | xxxxxxx | is there any Tutorials? |
| 22:20.47 | xxxxxxx | yes/no????????????????????????????????????? |
| 22:21.22 | sussudio | shut up |
| 22:21.27 | xxxxxxx | f u |
| 22:22.44 | MiltonUser | windoze wouldn't install on my new cracker |
| 23:04.46 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 23:09.23 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 23:15.33 | eddie | ol |
| 23:17.27 | MrApathyCream | ru eddienull? |
| 23:18.12 | eddie | i am |
| 23:18.15 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: wondering about keymapping, and changing default cycle keys from <- / -> to anything else...ideas? |
| 23:20.03 | MrApathyCream | any idea on the rash of mac problems? |
| 23:20.25 | eddienull | http://www.hzsystems.com/kevin/bzflag.tgz |
| 23:20.26 | MrApathyCream | <reported> problems |
| 23:20.41 | eddienull | i think they're all fixed now. just gotta put it all back in cvs |
| 23:22.53 | BZFlag | eddienull: you need to check out the branch. |
| 23:23.04 | BZFlag | ie use v1_7 not v1_7e6 |
| 23:23.40 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 23:24.03 | BZFlag | v1_7e6 is a label. you should not be changing that release, rather posting to the top of the v1_7 branch which would currently show as 1.7e7 |
| 23:24.30 | BZFlag | clear as mud? |
| 23:26.44 | BZFlag | might be a tom garland show up here with satellite conectivity issues. I'm headed to bed. I suspect that tcp ramping it the cause, but no time to look tonight. help him if you feel like it. ;-) I'm headed to bed. |
| 23:38.50 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks: dunno |
