| 00:00.31 | captain_proton | i liked the commands/keybinding stuff in 1.8 |
| 00:01.45 | captain_proton | like typing 'jump' into the console jumped :) |
| 00:02.51 | scanline | python! |
| 00:03.08 | captain_proton | scanline: patches welcome |
| 00:03.26 | scanline | and as usual I'm hacking on my own crazy stuff instead of bzflag :) |
| 00:03.38 | captain_proton | loser |
| 00:05.19 | captain_proton | all the cool kids work on bzflag |
| 00:39.06 | bzfrank | hi |
| 00:40.14 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 00:40.34 | bzfrank | heya |
| 00:40.56 | bzfrank | just trying out the irc web interface for laz new board |
| 00:41.11 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 00:41.55 | bzfrank | yes, its nice, still mozilla has a irc client build in ;) |
| 00:42.20 | bzfrank | anything new in the bz world? |
| 00:43.27 | bzfrank | ok :) |
| 00:46.14 | bzfrank | later |
| 01:07.29 | MrApathyCream | cappy, is the svn diff command the same as cvs? |
| 01:09.46 | MrApathyCream | i got it |
| 01:10.13 | MrApathyCream | here's a diff file against svn 1.7 |
| 02:07.56 | bomber | moin |
| 02:18.16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: opinion on releasing e8? |
| 02:18.26 | BZFlag | at some point, yeah. |
| 02:18.48 | captain_proton | soon? |
| 02:19.06 | BZFlag | RSN |
| 02:19.17 | captain_proton | gee |
| 02:19.38 | BZFlag | gee? ;-) |
| 02:19.45 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 02:20.11 | BZFlag | as in bee gee ? |
| 02:20.29 | captain_proton | bee gee flag |
| 02:28.51 | BZFlag | "you should be GMin' yeah.." |
| 04:18.56 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 04:18.56 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:18.58 | bzbot | [dmp] (R): 16 (32-16). Elf.pl (G): 0 (5-5). |
| 04:57.36 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 04:57.36 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:57.38 | bzbot | zonk (G): 2 (32-30). tai (R): -1 (9-10). the Hausdorff metric (G): 0 (76-76). calico (G): 4 (32-28). root (R): -4 (51-55). trubi (G): -7 (43-50). |
| 05:25.02 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 05:25.02 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:25.03 | bzbot | zonk (G): 24 (92-68). tai (R): -1 (5-6). -=MaTriX=- (R): -5 (0-5). calico (G): 33 (108-75). beldin (R): -45 (26-71). |
| 07:33.17 | MAC | testing |
| 07:33.29 | MrApathyCream | testing |
| 07:33.41 | MAC | cool laz's web access to this is nice |
| 07:34.55 | Chestal | ah, his "Chat" is just an irc gateway? I didn't really try it |
| 07:35.05 | Chestal | thought this was some web-chat thingy |
| 07:36.37 | MAC | yes.. |
| 07:37.36 | MAC | actually he has two links: #bzflag and 'live chat' |
| 07:38.01 | MAC | lessee what live chat is |
| 07:38.15 | MAC | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/chat/phpMyChat.php3 |
| 07:50.15 | Cell | can somebody tell me the regualr expression for a production rule(BNF)? |
| 07:56.29 | MrApathyCream | for what rule? |
| 08:16.37 | Cell | hoep that should do it: |
| 08:16.51 | Cell | "\w[\w|\d]*\s*::=[\s*\w[\w|\d]*\**\s*:\s*\w[\w|\d]*\s*]+" |
| 08:18.32 | Cell | i.e: Class1::= Class2*:myClass2 Class3 |
| 08:19.17 | Cell | Class2::=string:myString int:myInt |
| 08:19.51 | Cell | Class3::= string*:myStrings |
| 08:20.42 | Cell | a class generator tool, i need to write for me, to speed up my class generation time dramatically |
| 08:24.40 | Cell | it just handels following (meat)data types: Tupel, Variant(enum like type), List, Reference, BaseType(string, int, float, double, bool) |
| 08:26.18 | Cell | it writes the source, and i write only a compact BNF style type production rule |
| 08:27.07 | Cell | it handels all the templated List types automatically |
| 08:28.48 | Cell | time to go out |
| 08:51.33 | doughecka | BWUAHAHA... hrm, bummer |
| 08:52.57 | doughecka | hrm |
| 08:53.03 | yoyox | Hi ;-) |
| 08:53.06 | doughecka | ~country .jp |
| 08:53.06 | | from memory, country .jp is japan |
| 08:53.09 | doughecka | cool |
| 08:53.12 | doughecka | Hi |
| 08:53.47 | yoyox | ~country .ir |
| 08:53.47 | | from memory, country .ir is iran |
| 08:54.01 | yoyox | !help ibot > |
| 08:55.57 | doughecka | ~help |
| 08:56.05 | doughecka | like dat |
| 08:56.07 | doughecka | new ibot |
| 08:56.43 | yoyox | doughecka: Thanks;>* |
| 08:56.48 | doughecka | :) |
| 08:56.54 | yoyox | ~help |
| 08:56.55 | doughecka | ~die |
| 08:56.55 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 08:57.06 | doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 08:57.08 | doughecka | :) |
| 08:57.10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 08:57.22 | doughecka | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 08:57.27 | doughecka | cool eh? |
| 08:57.50 | yoyox | ~relay |
| 08:57.51 | | yoyox: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:07.04 | Cell | hi im learning unix shell, what are the most important commands i should really get practise in? |
| 10:08.23 | Cell | how do i search files fro email adresses with grep? |
| 10:11.44 | Cell | grep [0-9a-z_A-Z]+@[0-9a-z_A-Z]+.[a-zA-Z] |
| 10:11.44 | Cell | is that good? |
| 11:44.18 | Cell | hi, again, someone can tell me how to use grep to find all files that contain a email adress? |
| 11:46.59 | Cell | grep a-zA-Z[0-9|a-z_A-Z]+@a-zA-Z[0-9|a-z_A-Z]+.a-zA-Za-zA-Za-zA-Z ??? |
| 11:52.52 | Cell | or how do i parse for this with regex: Class1 ::= Class2*:myClass1a1 Class3nm |
| 11:54.32 | BZFlag | that does not look right. |
| 11:56.02 | Cell | what? |
| 11:56.35 | BZFlag | http://examples.oreilly.com/regex/ for a complete version... |
| 11:58.41 | Cell | dont understan a thing to complicated |
| 11:58.52 | BZFlag | [a-z0-9\.]+@[a-z0-9]+\.[a-z0-9\.]+ or similar should catch most addresses. this assumes you don't have "Foo <foo@example.com>" or "(Foo) foo@example.com" syntax of course. |
| 11:59.13 | Cell | k thanks i try |
| 12:00.21 | Cell | what is the '\.' for? |
| 12:00.23 | BZFlag | oh yeah, and underscore is valid in the user, not the host. and - is valid in both. |
| 12:00.37 | BZFlag | . is special. so you have to escape it |
| 12:00.45 | Cell | k |
| 12:01.16 | Cell | an email can start with a number? |
| 12:01.39 | BZFlag | [a-z0-9][a-z0-9\.\-\_]+@[a-z0-9]+\.[a-z0-9\-]+ |
| 12:01.54 | BZFlag | yes. 99@example.com is valid though unlikely. |
| 12:02.02 | Cell | ah, k |
| 12:03.29 | Cell | hm, does not work |
| 12:03.32 | Cell | i try again |
| 12:03.43 | BZFlag | /^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+)+/ might give you better results. |
| 12:04.12 | BZFlag | with mine I assume you are not matching case. ie -i to grep or /i in perl. |
| 12:04.25 | Cell | no |
| 12:04.28 | doughecka | beep |
| 12:05.04 | Cell | ksh: syntax error: `(' unexpected |
| 12:05.04 | Cell | sunhalle1:/usr/stud/edelstei/home_sun $ ^C |
| 12:05.28 | doughecka | greetings Patlabor221! |
| 12:05.28 | Cell | sunhalle1:/usr/stud/edelstei/home_sun $ grep /^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+)+/ email.txt |
| 12:05.28 | Cell | ksh: syntax error: `(' unexpected |
| 12:05.52 | BZFlag | in ksh you will have to excape the () as well. |
| 12:06.12 | BZFlag | /^\([a-zA-Z0-9_-]\)+\@\([a-zA-Z0-9_-]\)+\(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+\)+/ |
| 12:06.55 | Cell | does not match anything :( |
| 12:07.05 | BZFlag | grep -i ^\([a-z0-9_-]\)+\@\([a-z0-9_-]\)+\(\.[a-z0-9_-]+\)+ email.txt |
| 12:07.31 | Cell | no |
| 12:07.33 | BZFlag | oh. are the emails on the start of a line? if not then just: |
| 12:07.37 | BZFlag | grep -i \([a-z0-9_-]\)+\@\([a-z0-9_-]\)+\(\.[a-z0-9_-]+\)+ email.txt |
| 12:08.16 | Cell | sunhalle1:/usr/stud/edelstei/home_sun $ grep e email.txt |
| 12:08.16 | Cell | edelstei@in.tum.de |
| 12:08.26 | Cell | that simple works |
| 12:08.34 | Cell | but not the other one |
| 12:09.11 | doughecka | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/povray/1701d.jpg |
| 12:09.15 | doughecka | tell me if that looks ok |
| 12:09.16 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:09.49 | Cell | starfield? |
| 12:09.56 | doughecka | scroll |
| 12:10.14 | Cell | large starfield? |
| 12:10.23 | Cell | still loading |
| 12:10.27 | doughecka | ah |
| 12:10.39 | Cell | how big? |
| 12:10.53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 12:10.55 | BZFlag | what's it for? |
| 12:11.03 | doughecka | 2.73 MB |
| 12:11.24 | doughecka | res: 3840 x 3072 |
| 12:11.25 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:11.26 | Cell | there are only stars |
| 12:11.29 | doughecka | bigger than life |
| 12:11.34 | Patlabor221 | a 2.7 meg jpeg? |
| 12:11.41 | doughecka | a yup |
| 12:11.44 | BZFlag | what's it for? |
| 12:11.48 | Patlabor221 | did you not compress it? |
| 12:11.53 | Patlabor221 | he's playing with POV |
| 12:12.00 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 12:12.08 | doughecka | I colored a "enterprise" ship |
| 12:12.14 | Patlabor221 | doug looks a bit too dense |
| 12:12.16 | Cell | flat shaded spaceship |
| 12:12.19 | doughecka | I wanna know if the colors match |
| 12:12.25 | BZFlag | starting to get something else... |
| 12:12.38 | Patlabor221 | I'd run a difuse filter on it in darken only mode on the star map |
| 12:12.39 | BZFlag | ncc1701-d ? |
| 12:12.47 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:13.08 | doughecka | what are the "real" colors? |
| 12:13.24 | BZFlag | green engines? |
| 12:13.26 | Patlabor221 | well not that purple gray you got |
| 12:13.31 | doughecka | heh |
| 12:13.38 | Patlabor221 | and can you smooth it? |
| 12:13.45 | Patlabor221 | it's like there are no vertex normals |
| 12:14.01 | doughecka | I need to somehow get the 3d model into a smoother form |
| 12:14.08 | Patlabor221 | and the federation frowns on green starships |
| 12:14.18 | doughecka | add a few hundred vertexes |
| 12:14.19 | doughecka | hah |
| 12:14.19 | Patlabor221 | milshape will smooth the model |
| 12:14.23 | BZFlag | http://www.marith.demon.co.uk/graphics/startrek/ncc1701d.gif |
| 12:14.24 | doughecka | how? |
| 12:14.38 | doughecka | ick |
| 12:14.39 | Patlabor221 | there is a function calleds smooth all |
| 12:14.51 | doughecka | lemme see... |
| 12:15.39 | doughecka | odd, this model is allready colored |
| 12:15.53 | BZFlag | http://www.segginger.net/Star_Trek/Next_Generation/NCC_1701-D.gif |
| 12:15.53 | Patlabor221 | and form a composition point 1) make your subject take up more of the screen. and 2) make the image smaller, you don't have very much upstream. |
| 12:15.59 | doughecka | "smooth all" |
| 12:16.16 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:16.21 | Patlabor221 | good shot on that last one baflag. |
| 12:16.33 | doughecka | I need to figure out why its exporting the povray that small |
| 12:16.36 | Patlabor221 | doug you should look for better models |
| 12:16.39 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:16.43 | doughecka | I need a complex one |
| 12:16.48 | Patlabor221 | there are a lot of places with ST and SW models |
| 12:16.55 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:16.55 | Patlabor221 | SWMA is one I think. |
| 12:17.00 | doughecka | I checked 3dcafe |
| 12:17.11 | Patlabor221 | they are more of a generic site |
| 12:17.19 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 12:17.26 | doughecka | hmm, the 3d model is very smooth |
| 12:17.29 | Cell | what kind of models do u need? |
| 12:17.32 | doughecka | its just a saucer |
| 12:17.39 | doughecka | not all jagged |
| 12:17.45 | doughecka | anything complex |
| 12:17.50 | Patlabor221 | that's a low poly model |
| 12:17.58 | Patlabor221 | proalby less then 2k polys |
| 12:18.00 | Cell | what kind of file type? |
| 12:18.02 | [TeA] | helllllllllllllllllllllo |
| 12:18.11 | [TeA] | whats uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup you us`lers |
| 12:18.17 | doughecka | um |
| 12:18.21 | doughecka | anything standard |
| 12:18.26 | BZFlag | http://www.stinsv.com/TNg/tngentv.htm |
| 12:18.26 | doughecka | obj |
| 12:18.27 | doughecka | 3ds |
| 12:18.56 | doughecka | they had quite alot of star ships... |
| 12:19.06 | BZFlag | http://www.stinsv.com/TNg/1024ship/entdcrew.jpg |
| 12:19.07 | Patlabor221 | http://www.gerf.org/~nixon/ |
| 12:19.16 | Patlabor221 | damn swma.net closed |
| 12:19.20 | doughecka | coool |
| 12:19.45 | strayer | hi... :) |
| 12:19.56 | Patlabor221 | there are a lot of babalon 5 models out there too |
| 12:20.06 | doughecka | now it doesnt export the colors or textures to povray... |
| 12:20.11 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:20.14 | strayer | babalon..or babylon? |
| 12:20.14 | Cell | good links i used: http://www.3dlinks.com/objects_free.cfm |
| 12:20.16 | Patlabor221 | what format do you do it in? |
| 12:20.25 | doughecka | ? |
| 12:20.28 | Patlabor221 | babylon |
| 12:20.38 | Patlabor221 | doug not all formats hold colors |
| 12:20.41 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:20.44 | doughecka | 3ds do |
| 12:20.54 | doughecka | but milkshape exports povray without colors |
| 12:20.59 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 12:21.07 | Patlabor221 | well they just do the inc file |
| 12:21.11 | strayer | ibot ducati |
| 12:21.11 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:21.13 | bzbot | Gabine (G): 1 (4-3). blade deux (G): -13 (85-98). DeadMeat (Procr. Excess) (R): -7 (8-15). soul rebel (R): 84 (210-126). Micky (G): -11 (87-98). M1 (G): 9 (67-58). m0nkey_b0y (R): -2 (6-8). lolita (R): -24 (93-117). |
| 12:21.14 | doughecka | is there a free 3d renderer? |
| 12:21.17 | [TeA] | strayerlein !!!!!! |
| 12:21.18 | Patlabor221 | so dump it as a 3ds from milkshape |
| 12:21.31 | doughecka | no, it exports .pov files |
| 12:21.32 | strayer | [TeA] Glück auf... |
| 12:21.37 | Patlabor221 | doug you should go get DOGA |
| 12:21.40 | doughecka | then what do I do with the 3ds? |
| 12:21.43 | Patlabor221 | you would have fun with that |
| 12:21.54 | Patlabor221 | convert it to POV |
| 12:22.07 | doughecka | whatd DOGA? |
| 12:22.22 | doughecka | ah |
| 12:22.30 | Patlabor221 | a sort of poor mans rendering and animation studio |
| 12:22.33 | doughecka | 3D CG animation system for beginners |
| 12:22.38 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 12:22.42 | doughecka | interesting |
| 12:22.46 | Patlabor221 | its realy easy to use |
| 12:22.52 | Patlabor221 | and it will render |
| 12:22.55 | Patlabor221 | and make movies |
| 12:23.01 | doughecka | cool |
| 12:23.05 | [TeA] | TAAAAAAAAAAAD |
| 12:23.06 | doughecka | I got povray to make a movie |
| 12:23.34 | doughecka | of a building exploding... it had smoke. flame, debris, everything |
| 12:23.49 | doughecka | some guy made this whole partical system in povray |
| 12:23.58 | doughecka | http://www.doga.co.jp/english/ |
| 12:24.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah you sould be able to get a download |
| 12:24.31 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:24.34 | doughecka | shareware |
| 12:24.42 | doughecka | no animations till its paided for |
| 12:25.17 | Patlabor221 | not in there L3 product |
| 12:25.18 | doughecka | L1 is free... |
| 12:25.21 | BZFlag | or there is blender |
| 12:25.25 | doughecka | L2 costs 20 bucks |
| 12:25.26 | Patlabor221 | hell I'm geting L3 now |
| 12:25.27 | BZFlag | ibot blender |
| 12:25.27 | | Extremely fast and versatile 3D Rendering Package. URL: http://www.blender.nl/ |
| 12:25.30 | doughecka | L3 costs 40 bucks |
| 12:25.34 | Patlabor221 | blender is cool |
| 12:25.41 | Patlabor221 | or GMAX |
| 12:25.41 | BZFlag | blender is GPLed now |
| 12:25.42 | Patlabor221 | it's free |
| 12:25.43 | doughecka | BZFlag: thats the open source thing? |
| 12:25.58 | doughecka | I tried blender a year ago |
| 12:26.01 | BZFlag | doughecka: yep. now it is. was closed source. |
| 12:26.09 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:26.12 | doughecka | should be better |
| 12:26.21 | BZFlag | bender has an odd interface, but it's capable. |
| 12:26.24 | Patlabor221 | wel I don't know if they have done much to it now |
| 12:26.43 | doughecka | yea, thats why I got rid of it, it was a little strange |
| 12:26.46 | doughecka | hm |
| 12:26.53 | Patlabor221 | you can try GMax |
| 12:27.05 | Cell | is GMAx opensource? |
| 12:27.09 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 12:27.11 | Patlabor221 | but it's freee |
| 12:27.17 | doughecka | oh yea |
| 12:27.19 | doughecka | I tried that too |
| 12:27.20 | Patlabor221 | it has an open scripting interface tho |
| 12:27.37 | Cell | i know but it saves only into gmax |
| 12:27.41 | BZFlag | http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag |
| 12:27.46 | Patlabor221 | unless you make scrips |
| 12:27.52 | Patlabor221 | it can save to Quake3 |
| 12:27.56 | Cell | yes |
| 12:28.08 | Patlabor221 | and people have made many scripts for other formats as well |
| 12:28.16 | doughecka | yea, thats why I got it... 3d models or something for quake3 |
| 12:28.17 | Patlabor221 | you could make it write your own format if you wanted. |
| 12:28.23 | doughecka | oh? |
| 12:28.24 | doughecka | slick |
| 12:28.33 | Cell | yes like its big brother |
| 12:30.08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 12:30.14 | doughecka | what do I use for rendering? |
| 12:30.42 | Cell | use 3d max |
| 12:30.43 | [TeA] | hello |
| 12:30.48 | doughecka | free? |
| 12:30.49 | doughecka | hi |
| 12:30.52 | Cell | no |
| 12:30.53 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 12:31.31 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:31.31 | Cell | but i got it free |
| 12:31.31 | doughecka | any free 3d renderers? |
| 12:31.31 | doughecka | Cell: ;) |
| 12:31.32 | doughecka | how big was, er, the install? |
| 12:31.35 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:31.57 | Cell | its so cool: 500 meg |
| 12:32.00 | Cell | mb |
| 12:32.07 | doughecka | Hmmmm |
| 12:32.08 | Cell | zipped |
| 12:32.10 | doughecka | ;) ;) |
| 12:32.13 | doughecka | where from? |
| 12:32.31 | Cell | downloaded with KazaA p2p client |
| 12:32.33 | [TeA] | :P |
| 12:32.44 | [TeA] | KaZaA ist ganz cool |
| 12:32.44 | doughecka | ick |
| 12:32.56 | Cell | u can download from me if u want |
| 12:33.04 | doughecka | its cool... just freaking hard to find the files |
| 12:33.06 | doughecka | oh? |
| 12:33.20 | doughecka | how fast = upload? |
| 12:33.34 | Cell | 16kbit |
| 12:33.43 | doughecka | ick, maybe... |
| 12:33.44 | Cell | so it takes a while |
| 12:33.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:33.55 | doughecka | k, http? |
| 12:34.10 | Cell | k |
| 12:34.14 | Cell | wait |
| 12:34.31 | Cell | put it to IIS dir |
| 12:35.45 | Chestal | http://snipurl.com/axp :-) |
| 12:36.10 | doughecka | haaa, very funny |
| 12:36.50 | doughecka | wow, this L1 has some pretty good grafics... |
| 12:37.51 | Cell | why does the Vampire Cell already exist? |
| 12:38.10 | doughecka | hrm |
| 12:38.18 | Cell | doughecka:coppieing file to wwwrootfolder |
| 12:38.29 | doughecka | cool |
| 12:38.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:38.54 | Cell | 500mb takes a while |
| 12:39.03 | doughecka | hehe |
| 12:39.27 | Cell | but this prog is worth it |
| 12:39.40 | doughecka | is it s full version?/ |
| 12:39.57 | doughecka | its 3ds? |
| 12:41.30 | Cell | yes |
| 12:41.37 | Cell | the newest |
| 12:41.57 | doughecka | http://www.pixar.com/renderman/artist_tools/tools/renderman.html |
| 12:42.00 | doughecka | firewall |
| 12:42.01 | doughecka | :( |
| 12:42.15 | doughecka | for some reason the DMZ isnt working |
| 12:42.15 | Cell | hey how do i open a private session with u |
| 12:42.19 | Cell | ? |
| 12:42.27 | doughecka | hold one... lemme see.. |
| 12:42.47 | Cell | i mean a private channel |
| 12:44.35 | sussudio | alt-f4 |
| 12:44.45 | strayer | hehe |
| 12:45.37 | [TeA] | wow nice grphics |
| 12:45.39 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 12:45.50 | doughecka | whos? |
| 12:46.28 | [TeA] | http://www.pixar.com/renderman/artist_tools/tools/renderman.html |
| 12:46.40 | doughecka | yea |
| 12:47.34 | doughecka | thats from gubs life |
| 12:47.36 | doughecka | erk |
| 12:47.38 | doughecka | bugs life |
| 12:47.44 | [TeA] | lol |
| 12:47.53 | [TeA] | i know |
| 12:48.02 | doughecka | and thats old... monsters inc. has wonder full grafics |
| 12:48.04 | doughecka | :0- |
| 12:48.43 | [TeA] | show me some pics |
| 12:48.44 | doughecka | RenderMan® Artist Tools™ 5.0 |
| 12:48.45 | doughecka | (Includes Toolkit, MTOR™, Alfred™, Slim™ & “it”™) $ 8,000 |
| 12:48.47 | [TeA] | :o))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 12:48.49 | doughecka | 8000!!!! |
| 12:48.53 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 12:48.59 | [TeA] | 8000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:49.01 | strayer | hell...expensive |
| 12:49.05 | [TeA] | 8000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:49.06 | Chestal | that's cheap |
| 12:49.09 | doughecka | yea it is |
| 12:49.14 | doughecka | but that software |
| 12:49.14 | [TeA] | 8000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:49.23 | [TeA] | 8000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:49.25 | doughecka | oops, nothing there.. |
| 12:49.27 | [TeA] | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 12:49.42 | strayer | EDUCATIONAL PRICE LIST is much better for my eyes |
| 12:49.47 | strayer | only 2000$ |
| 12:49.50 | doughecka | hehe |
| 12:49.53 | doughecka | wheres that? |
| 12:49.58 | doughecka | I might be eligable |
| 12:50.02 | doughecka | ah |
| 12:50.41 | strayer | ... |
| 12:51.03 | doughecka | . |
| 12:51.04 | doughecka | . |
| 12:51.04 | doughecka | . |
| 12:51.11 | doughecka | http://www.3dmax.com/ |
| 12:51.15 | doughecka | see the gallery |
| 12:52.04 | strayer | i saw... |
| 12:52.07 | Cell | the coolest feature now is the render to texture, u can make lightmaps all whole cool lit textures from highres models and apply them to lowres or just make textures of a whole bzflag level |
| 12:52.20 | doughecka | oh? |
| 13:06.24 | Cell | what are the most important unix shell commands i should practise the most? |
| 13:06.46 | sussudio | rm -rf / |
| 13:06.51 | Cell | cause i want to controll everything |
| 13:06.57 | Cell | then i feel good |
| 13:07.38 | Cell | sussudio:why? |
| 13:08.40 | sussudio | go eat some red meat |
| 13:08.53 | BZFlag | Cell: then you can practice reinstalling. |
| 13:09.18 | Cell | k i know what rm does |
| 13:09.29 | doughecka | really? |
| 13:09.30 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:09.37 | Cell | yes |
| 13:09.42 | doughecka | how about cp * /dev/null |
| 13:09.58 | Cell | oh whats that? |
| 13:10.02 | doughecka | thats called "backing up" |
| 13:10.08 | doughecka | you copy all your files |
| 13:10.13 | doughecka | to /dev/null |
| 13:10.23 | doughecka | do ya know what /dev/null is? |
| 13:10.27 | Cell | and where is that |
| 13:10.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:10.34 | doughecka | nothing |
| 13:10.38 | doughecka | null = nothing |
| 13:10.46 | doughecka | your data goes into the ether |
| 13:10.51 | doughecka | 6% |
| 13:11.02 | Cell | great it has big capacity i heard |
| 13:11.06 | doughecka | 6 hours 59 min left |
| 13:11.09 | doughecka | Cell: yup |
| 13:11.12 | doughecka | and its fast |
| 13:11.19 | strayer | yeah |
| 13:11.19 | doughecka | just zips right along |
| 13:11.24 | Cell | how fast |
| 13:11.35 | doughecka | as fast as your harddrive can read |
| 13:11.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:11.48 | strayer | hehe |
| 13:12.00 | Cell | k then its my favority backup now |
| 13:12.11 | doughecka | its also a one way backup |
| 13:12.30 | doughecka | you backs it up, but its kinda hard to recover |
| 13:12.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:12.37 | strayer | and U can do it only on time... |
| 13:12.42 | doughecka | yup |
| 13:13.39 | Cell | how can i get root/admin on our uni servers |
| 13:13.49 | Cell | im sick of beiing a plain user |
| 13:13.59 | Cell | i want to have full ctrl |
| 13:14.36 | doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 13:14.51 | Cell | so i can read the emails of others or manipulate files or ignore quota |
| 13:14.58 | doughecka | you have to a) get hacking software b) work up your l33t scills |
| 13:15.18 | doughecka | er, 133t sci11s |
| 13:15.23 | Cell | how do i get the password file |
| 13:16.03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:16.09 | doughecka | dunno |
| 13:16.51 | Cell | even though i its encrypted, so u have to try a password list on it |
| 13:17.15 | doughecka | actlly |
| 13:17.16 | doughecka | no |
| 13:17.46 | doughecka | its problebly shadowed |
| 13:17.58 | Cell | what does that mean? |
| 13:18.09 | doughecka | means even if you get the "password" file, the passwords on in a seperate file |
| 13:18.17 | strayer | of course... |
| 13:18.19 | doughecka | only avalible to root |
| 13:18.25 | Cell | ? |
| 13:18.40 | doughecka | ask strayer: hes the linux boy |
| 13:18.41 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:18.46 | strayer | do U ever installed or used Linux or UNIX...CELL? |
| 13:19.09 | Cell | i use unix sparc solaris @ school |
| 13:19.23 | Cell | but never installed it |
| 13:19.35 | strayer | but it seems that U R a real rookie with it... |
| 13:19.56 | Cell | sunhalle1:/usr/stud/edelstei/home_sun $ uname -a |
| 13:19.58 | Cell | SunOS sunhalle1 5.8 Generic_108528-14 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60 |
| 13:20.09 | strayer | i used Linux only 3 days and know more than U (my opinion) |
| 13:20.17 | Cell | yes im a rookie pwer 2 |
| 13:20.26 | strayer | ah |
| 13:20.50 | Cell | so tell me smth i should know |
| 13:21.18 | strayer | hell...its a wide area....a lot of important things |
| 13:21.18 | Cell | how does the user athentification work |
| 13:21.26 | Cell | on a multi machiene network |
| 13:21.26 | strayer | brb |
| 13:21.47 | Cell | is there a authentification server |
| 13:22.42 | Cell | and how does the distributed file system work? |
| 13:26.45 | doughecka | 10 % |
| 13:27.13 | [dmp] | 42! |
| 13:27.17 | Cell | cool |
| 13:27.25 | [dmp] | :) |
| 13:27.52 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:30.29 | jpablo | yeah, browse. |
| 13:30.35 | jpablo | no wait. |
| 13:30.43 | jpablo | it means that you can chdir to that dir. |
| 13:30.57 | sussudio | no wait. |
| 13:31.00 | sussudio | BLUE |
| 13:31.02 | sussudio | aaaaaaaaah |
| 13:31.13 | Cell | k, but otherwise i can still read the contents of the dir |
| 13:32.27 | [dmp] | hmm why dont you try searching the net for some tutorial? |
| 13:33.13 | Cell | cause i dont like searching |
| 13:33.54 | [dmp] | why not? |
| 13:34.22 | Cell | because i dont know how to do it with grep from the unix shell |
| 13:34.43 | Cell | and i want to do everything from the shell |
| 13:36.01 | [dmp] | thats plain silly.. if you want to use a console-only world, then install a (text)browser.. it'll get you into trouble. or try usenet |
| 13:36.05 | Cell | so i want to write: grep google.com " /^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+)+/" to get all email adresses from the whole database |
| 13:36.25 | Cell | and then pipe it to the sort cmd |
| 13:36.55 | Cell | and redirect that to a file |
| 13:37.26 | [dmp] | what for? |
| 13:37.34 | [dmp] | why not make random emails? |
| 13:37.41 | BZFlag | Cell: hmm don't recall which is which. +r or +x. one allows you to access stuff in the directory the other allows you to list the directory contents. |
| 13:37.47 | [dmp] | or have sex using a console? |
| 13:37.47 | [dmp] | :) |
| 13:40.43 | sussudio | ~sexx |
| 13:40.43 | | i guess sexx is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep. |
| 13:41.10 | strayer | cool |
| 13:41.24 | Sniper50 | Chestal around?? |
| 13:41.28 | Chestal | yes |
| 13:42.11 | Sniper50 | I got the same problem again :( but this time it is better explained in a trceroute |
| 13:42.20 | Sniper50 | i mean the lag |
| 13:42.22 | Chestal | ah |
| 13:42.41 | Sniper50 | want to check my traceroute i send you a picture |
| 13:42.49 | [dmp] | a long time ago someone sent me a manpage for girls and sex. cant find it . :-\ |
| 13:42.51 | Cell | for example i hate it when windows dispalys a window(box) with text u cannot paste, i want to get that anyway |
| 13:43.11 | sussudio | sniper whats your mtu |
| 13:43.19 | strayer | bye... |
| 13:43.21 | Sniper50 | mtu |
| 13:43.25 | Sniper50 | ? |
| 13:43.27 | sussudio | yes |
| 13:43.32 | sussudio | windows or linux |
| 13:43.33 | Sniper50 | whats mtu? |
| 13:43.39 | Sniper50 | oh hehe windows |
| 13:43.43 | sussudio | maximum transferrable unit |
| 13:43.45 | Chestal | Sniper: yes, send it |
| 13:43.47 | sussudio | windows version? |
| 13:44.09 | Sniper50 | xp |
| 13:44.21 | sussudio | hm |
| 13:46.06 | sussudio | pff |
| 13:46.09 | sussudio | stupid windows |
| 13:46.22 | Sniper50 | lol |
| 13:52.14 | sussudio | http://www.speedguide.net/Cable_modems/cable_reg_win2k.shtml |
| 13:59.51 | M1 | hi |
| 14:00.46 | M1 | what does @username mean? |
| 14:00.49 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 14:01.05 | Patlabor221 | lo |
| 14:01.25 | Patlabor221 | I had not realised how cheap sutter glasses had goten |
| 14:01.57 | doughecka | oh? |
| 14:02.00 | doughecka | wanna buy mine? |
| 14:02.01 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:02.07 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 14:02.15 | Patlabor221 | how much did you get yours for? |
| 14:02.24 | doughecka | 27 |
| 14:02.38 | Patlabor221 | online? |
| 14:02.40 | doughecka | ebay |
| 14:02.51 | Patlabor221 | how much shiping? |
| 14:03.02 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:03.08 | doughecka | 6 I think |
| 14:03.08 | [dmp] | m1: if you prefix you username with @ you are connected as a observer. |
| 14:03.28 | Patlabor221 | so you paied more for those then I did for these at a retail store. |
| 14:03.37 | captain_proton | well, in bzflag anyway |
| 14:03.43 | captain_proton | in irc @username means channel operator |
| 14:03.57 | M1 | I c, thanks |
| 14:04.04 | doughecka | oh? |
| 14:04.10 | Patlabor221 | $29 |
| 14:04.17 | M1 | irc here :) |
| 14:04.24 | doughecka | your also in calif |
| 14:04.26 | doughecka | not KY |
| 14:04.43 | Patlabor221 | you got them on e-bay. that is not tied to any state |
| 14:05.00 | Patlabor221 | and they wern't even on sale |
| 14:05.12 | Patlabor221 | I need to hook them up and see if they go |
| 14:05.20 | doughecka | who made them? |
| 14:05.24 | Patlabor221 | MSI |
| 14:05.32 | doughecka | ick |
| 14:05.51 | Patlabor221 | how can you say ick? have you ever used them? |
| 14:06.01 | doughecka | no |
| 14:06.09 | doughecka | I felt like saying ick |
| 14:06.09 | Patlabor221 | tho it looks like they are just OEMs of the other ones |
| 14:06.11 | Patlabor221 | same thing |
| 14:06.31 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:07.27 | doughecka | you gonna put shuttet glasses support in bzflagXL? |
| 14:08.28 | Patlabor221 | I don't think I have to do anyting to make it suport it |
| 14:08.37 | doughecka | oh? |
| 14:08.40 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:08.48 | Patlabor221 | but I will look at it |
| 14:09.40 | doughecka | hmm, you problebly have to fix things like triggers, and stuff |
| 14:09.54 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 14:09.59 | doughecka | er |
| 14:10.05 | doughecka | aiming things |
| 14:10.11 | doughecka | the HUD |
| 14:10.13 | Patlabor221 | it's not a head tracker |
| 14:10.16 | Patlabor221 | that's difrent |
| 14:10.27 | Patlabor221 | that would replace the mouse |
| 14:10.29 | doughecka | well, in other games it has too hud |
| 14:10.33 | doughecka | two* |
| 14:10.36 | doughecka | showing |
| 14:10.38 | Patlabor221 | hud? |
| 14:10.39 | doughecka | its odd |
| 14:10.47 | doughecka | the aiming light |
| 14:10.48 | Patlabor221 | please use real words |
| 14:10.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: don't you need to display each eye in separate frames? |
| 14:10.55 | Patlabor221 | the crosshair |
| 14:10.57 | doughecka | BAH |
| 14:11.00 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:11.01 | Patlabor221 | cap I don't know |
| 14:11.01 | doughecka | that |
| 14:11.31 | Patlabor221 | doug: it's still on the screen, BZ dosn't allow turret motion so a head tracker on it would not make sense. |
| 14:11.40 | doughecka | no |
| 14:11.55 | doughecka | the glasses make the game 3d, but the hud is not 3d, so it appears twice |
| 14:12.03 | Patlabor221 | cap: it seems to insenuate that the driver takes care of it all based on z buffer info. Sounds like it just fakes it |
| 14:12.20 | captain_proton | doughecka: overlay surfaces should appear to float in front of the scene |
| 14:12.30 | doughecka | not in most games |
| 14:12.36 | Patlabor221 | doug: it would depend oh how they do it. |
| 14:12.37 | doughecka | if they dont have support |
| 14:12.38 | captain_proton | doughecka: then they fugged it up |
| 14:13.04 | Patlabor221 | I have some bugs to look at then I will hook them up |
| 14:13.23 | doughecka | the crosshairs get duplicated, so you have to turn the crosshairs off in the game and turn the crosshiars on in the nvidia driver |
| 14:13.34 | Patlabor221 | what game? |
| 14:13.40 | Patlabor221 | ut? |
| 14:14.10 | doughecka | AA |
| 14:14.16 | doughecka | dunno about UT |
| 14:14.36 | Patlabor221 | don't say "most" when you only have tried 1. |
| 14:14.39 | doughecka | UT looks sweet with them too |
| 14:14.46 | doughecka | I tried lots |
| 14:15.13 | doughecka | some have it fixed |
| 14:15.15 | doughecka | some dont |
| 14:20.21 | doughecka | you decide to? |
| 14:20.30 | doughecka | just a random decition? |
| 14:20.42 | doughecka | L( |
| 14:20.58 | captain_proton | they're doing them on campus today |
| 14:21.17 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:25.51 | [TeA] | night |
| 14:33.39 | doughecka | 'lo ak|ra |
| 14:33.44 | ak|ra | hei |
| 14:35.30 | doughecka | what is this export Direct3d file? |
| 14:35.34 | doughecka | how do I open them? |
| 14:36.53 | Patlabor221 | a .x file? |
| 14:37.02 | Patlabor221 | it's a text file with model data in it |
| 14:37.07 | Patlabor221 | some apps read them |
| 14:37.14 | Patlabor221 | I had a reader at one point |
| 14:37.20 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:37.21 | doughecka | ok |
| 14:37.35 | doughecka | anything special about it? |
| 14:37.42 | doughecka | or is it just another format? |
| 14:37.59 | ak|ra | hello patty |
| 14:38.46 | doughecka | erg, you would think Jelly Belly would put coffee flavored jelly beans into a diferent bag or something.. |
| 14:39.41 | Patlabor221 | it's just a nother format |
| 14:39.58 | Patlabor221 | there is a d3d utility function to read them |
| 14:40.05 | doughecka | k |
| 14:40.09 | Patlabor221 | so that's whythey are called "direct X" files |
| 14:40.25 | doughecka | sorta like them .c files? |
| 14:40.36 | doughecka | c code files |
| 14:44.49 | Patlabor221 | no not the same |
| 14:44.58 | Patlabor221 | the .c was real open GL C code |
| 14:45.02 | doughecka | oh |
| 14:45.20 | Patlabor221 | this is just a format that one funciton in DXUtils.dll knows how to read |
| 14:45.35 | Patlabor221 | there is also a texture format they have that they read natively too |
| 14:45.35 | doughecka | k |
| 14:45.40 | Cell | there is a max plugin in the directX sdk u can export to .X for max |
| 14:45.44 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 14:45.55 | Patlabor221 | a number of apps can read and write them now |
| 14:46.59 | bzdougggg | humph |
| 14:47.03 | bzdougggg | you say something? |
| 14:47.03 | Cell | i converted some 3ds files to .X and loaded them with the directX loadmesh fuctions |
| 14:47.23 | bzdougggg | ah |
| 14:47.25 | bzdougggg | cool |
| 14:48.37 | bzdougggg | yuk |
| 14:48.45 | bzdougggg | I hate coffee flavored jelly beans |
| 14:48.48 | Cell | continue sleeping, bye |
| 14:48.58 | bzdougggg | they look just like other colors |
| 14:48.59 | bzdougggg | cya |
| 14:49.27 | bzdougggg | interesting, this L1 DOGA is pretty cool |
| 14:51.03 | sussudio | hmmz that movie was rather lame |
| 14:52.23 | bzdougggg | hmmmz? |
| 14:53.00 | sussudio | american beauty |
| 14:53.03 | sussudio | yawn |
| 14:53.11 | bzdougggg | heh |
| 14:53.21 | sussudio | i liked fight club better last week |
| 14:53.27 | sussudio | except the ending was lamde |
| 14:53.29 | sussudio | lame lame lame |
| 14:54.10 | bzdougggg | 'lo CellBot |
| 14:54.28 | bzdougggg | CellBot: insult sussudio |
| 14:54.51 | bzdougggg | hmm, seems to be broken |
| 14:55.19 | CellBot | u motafuckin damn gansta mato ducker |
| 14:55.43 | sussudio | hundebumser |
| 14:55.54 | bzdougggg | hmm |
| 14:55.59 | bzdougggg | lame insult |
| 14:56.11 | sussudio | no, that's his profession |
| 14:57.02 | Patlabor221 | matl? |
| 14:57.59 | Chestal | anyone a SUSE user here? |
| 14:58.37 | ak|ra | not me, hey chief |
| 14:58.51 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 14:59.23 | ak|ra | war mal wieder ein fight? |
| 14:59.58 | Chestal | nö |
| 15:00.06 | Chestal | aber ich hoffe, dass da baldwieder Leben reinkommt |
| 15:00.11 | Chestal | Valoche ist ja jetzt wohl auch wieder aktiv |
| 15:00.52 | ak|ra | warum waren die alle inaktiv? |
| 15:00.57 | ak|ra | bamf und die anderen |
| 15:01.03 | ak|ra | aus dem loop rudel |
| 15:07.00 | Chestal | zumindest bamf ist ja jetzt bei vbz. Ich versuch gerade, was mit den Avengers anzuleihern, mal sehen,ob wir ne Zeit finden,m wo alle können |
| 15:07.08 | Chestal | wir sind ja ganz aus dem Training als Team |
| 15:08.30 | ak|ra | das is wohl war |
| 15:08.39 | ak|ra | ob wir dadurch aber soviel schlechter sind ... |
| 15:09.20 | bzdougggg | ~x de en zumindest bamf ist ja jetzt bei vbz. Ich versuch gerade, was mit den Avengers anzuleihern, mal sehen,ob wir ne Zeit finden,m wo alle können |
| 15:09.44 | bzdougggg | hmm, it would be cool if ibot would translate all things to a /msg |
| 15:10.07 | Chestal | akira: mal schauen, das letzte Match gegen die Avenegrs haben vbz nur knapp gewonnen |
| 15:10.31 | ak|ra | wer ist bei den avengers? |
| 15:10.34 | Chestal | bzdoug: hmm, what do you mean? |
| 15:11.00 | bzdougggg | ibot would translate all the german stuff, and /msg it to whoever wants it |
| 15:11.00 | | bzdougggg: You are moron #1 |
| 15:11.08 | ak|ra | Chestal: if one calls ibot, ibot should answer with a /msg |
| 15:11.08 | bzdougggg | ~would |
| 15:11.08 | | bzdougggg: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:11.37 | Chestal | akira: ski, blackhound, apache, firewolf,... |
| 15:11.55 | bzdougggg | no, I mean have it a setting... when ibot sees german text, it would translate, and foward it to /msg someone |
| 15:13.08 | ak|ra | Chestal: kenn ich alle nich |
| 15:13.39 | Chestal | akira: zumindest blackhound alias bh spielt aber recht oft |
| 15:14.05 | ak|ra | ach bh |
| 15:14.07 | ak|ra | ok, den kann ich |
| 15:14.23 | ak|ra | und die waren so gut als team oder vbz war so scheisse an dem tag? |
| 15:14.32 | Chestal | ich war nicht dabei |
| 15:15.00 | Chestal | mit dem Rating sind sie ganz unten, aber haben auch immernur gegen die Top-Teams gespielt, ich würde sie mal so auf Platz 3-5 einordnen |
| 15:15.25 | ak|ra | so hoch? einfach so? |
| 15:15.39 | Chestal | von meiner Einschätzung halt |
| 15:15.43 | ak|ra | so mit fantas und vbzs und so ... |
| 15:16.14 | Chestal | einfach mal gegen sie spielen, dann sehen wirs ja :-) |
| 15:19.06 | sussudio | Multimonitor graphics shootout - For when one isn't enough |
| 15:19.17 | sussudio | http://tech-report.com/reviews/2002q4/multimon/index.x?pg=1 |
| 15:20.03 | bzdougggg | ~slashdot? |
| 15:20.03 | | i haven't a clue, bzdougggg |
| 15:20.19 | bzdougggg | woo! Karma: Positive (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) |
| 15:20.36 | ak|ra | Chestal: genau, einfach mal draufhalten |
| 15:21.31 | sussudio | Karma: Excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) |
| 15:23.18 | Chestal | hi bzgirl |
| 15:23.25 | ak|ra | hey girl |
| 15:23.35 | bzgirl | hi there Chestal, akira |
| 15:23.36 | sussudio | "While ATI's 3D graphics drivers have been problematic in the past, their software, particularly MultiMedia Center, has been excellent." |
| 15:23.49 | sussudio | either that reviewer has been paid by ati or smoked some good shit |
| 15:23.59 | sussudio | multimedia center sux0rs |
| 15:24.14 | Chestal | but ATI has the fastest card now |
| 15:24.22 | Cell | !help |
| 15:24.25 | Chestal | actualyl, both nvidia and ATI's card suck |
| 15:24.25 | sussudio | my point was the software being shit |
| 15:24.32 | Chestal | onyl raw 3D power, that's all they have |
| 15:24.56 | sussudio | i actually prefer my matrox millennium II, but it only has 2d |
| 15:25.16 | bzdougggg | Cell: ... |
| 15:25.41 | bzdougggg | :) |
| 15:26.23 | ak|ra | Chestal: thats what counts :) |
| 15:26.50 | Chestal | but it would be nice if they would also create card which have good signal wuality, good TV-out etc. |
| 15:26.57 | Chestal | but obviously, noone cares |
| 15:28.29 | ak|ra | Chestal: i didnt see the big "difference" between these signal qualities |
| 15:28.29 | sussudio | matrox has good signal quality |
| 15:28.32 | ak|ra | really |
| 15:28.48 | sussudio | compared to most other cards i have, including this ati radeon |
| 15:28.54 | Cell | CellBot |
| 15:29.10 | Chestal | in the tests in c't, especially the quality of the TV signal is always very bad |
| 15:29.38 | ak|ra | Chestal: wie gesagt, das hab ich bisher noch nie mitbekommen |
| 15:33.15 | bzdougggg | is there any TV in cards that support digital tv? |
| 15:34.19 | Chestal | of course, dvb cards |
| 15:35.05 | Cell | .CellBot |
| 15:35.53 | bzdougggg | ? |
| 15:35.57 | bzdougggg | where are those? |
| 15:36.50 | CellBot | 5kak has just arrived! kak is the Owner of this bot. |
| 15:37.00 | bzdougggg | hm |
| 15:37.06 | bzdougggg | CellBot: kill |
| 15:37.07 | Cell | !help |
| 15:37.15 | bzdougggg | ~HEEEELP |
| 15:37.15 | | i haven't a clue, bzdougggg |
| 15:37.41 | kak | !help |
| 15:38.16 | sussudio | cellbot is unnecessary. get rid of it. |
| 15:38.34 | bzdougggg | !HEEELP |
| 15:38.37 | bzdougggg | !HELP |
| 15:38.52 | bzdougggg | [17:40] <CellBot> I'm sorry, but you are not allowed to use this command. If you try to use it anymore, you will be banned from this channel. |
| 15:38.57 | bzdougggg | oh really? |
| 15:39.03 | bzdougggg | !HELP |
| 15:39.05 | bzdougggg | !HELP |
| 15:39.07 | bzdougggg | !HELP |
| 15:40.07 | kak | !botchancommands |
| 15:40.10 | bzdougggg | DVB is digital television that the US us gonna switch to? |
| 15:40.14 | bzdougggg | haha |
| 15:41.22 | bzdougggg | BRAAAAAPPPP! |
| 15:43.45 | ak|ra | bye all |
| 15:43.49 | bzdougggg | cya |
| 15:44.06 | captain_proton | joy on a stick, that was |
| 15:44.15 | bzdougggg | lol |
| 15:44.51 | captain_proton | wait for an hour and a half for a 1 minute thing |
| 15:45.03 | bzdougggg | hah |
| 15:45.13 | bzdougggg | you couldnt get a ticket and gotten lunch? |
| 15:45.29 | captain_proton | a...ticket? |
| 15:45.36 | bzdougggg | yea... |
| 15:45.38 | bzdougggg | a number |
| 15:45.48 | captain_proton | they don't do that |
| 15:46.06 | bzdougggg | right, that would be... making it easy on you |
| 15:47.50 | Chestal | hmm, ezboard wasn't started before 2001? |
| 15:48.00 | Chestal | or are the old postings lost? |
| 15:48.56 | bzdougggg | Chestal: DVB is that new standard that gets broadcast over the air? not satellite, but plain broadcasting |
| 15:49.16 | bzdougggg | or you just use the DVB cards to recieve DTV |
| 15:49.35 | bzdouggg | !HELP |
| 15:49.46 | CellBot | 5Cell has just arrived! Cell is the Owner of this bot. |
| 15:49.59 | bzdouggg | ahhh, shoot him |
| 15:50.00 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 15:50.42 | Chestal | bzdougg: ah, the new variant, that's called a littel different, don't know if you need different cards for it, probably |
| 15:50.53 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 15:50.53 | bzdouggg | ok |
| 15:51.08 | bzdouggg | but all I ever seen so for is a 400 doller card |
| 15:51.17 | bzdouggg | but it may work |
| 15:51.26 | bzdouggg | but I never heard of internet being broadcast too |
| 15:51.40 | Cell | bzdouggg:u still downloading? |
| 15:51.46 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 15:51.52 | bzdouggg | 42 % |
| 15:51.58 | bzdouggg | 4 hours left |
| 15:52.01 | Cell | k, nice |
| 15:52.05 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 15:52.35 | CellBot | Cell says he is lucky about that |
| 15:52.46 | bzdouggg | !help |
| 15:52.50 | bzdouggg | it dont work |
| 15:52.54 | bzdouggg | whos bot? |
| 15:53.01 | Cell | not for u |
| 15:53.05 | Cell | but for me |
| 15:53.17 | Cell | mine |
| 15:53.20 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 15:53.33 | Cell | still need a little configuration |
| 15:53.38 | bzdouggg | you wrote it? |
| 15:53.47 | Cell | no |
| 15:53.53 | bzdouggg | oooh |
| 15:58.23 | Cell | !help |
| 15:58.33 | bzdouggg | !HELP |
| 15:58.36 | bzdouggg | !KILL |
| 15:58.41 | bzdouggg | !DIE |
| 15:58.46 | bzdouggg | !KICK Cell |
| 15:58.46 | sussudio | shut up doug |
| 15:58.54 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 15:59.36 | Cell | it only listens to me |
| 15:59.49 | bzdouggg | bleh |
| 16:08.41 | Cell | !sn on |
| 16:08.44 | CellBot | 5The Seen Mode Has Been Enabled, To See If Someone Has Been Here, Type: !seen <nickname> |
| 16:09.12 | bzdouggg | !seen bzdouggg |
| 16:09.17 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 16:09.57 | Cell | !seen bzdouggg |
| 16:10.07 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 16:10.42 | someone | hello |
| 16:10.53 | bzdouggg | olleh |
| 16:11.06 | someone | echo |
| 16:11.09 | someone | echo |
| 16:11.09 | Cell | !nav on |
| 16:11.10 | someone | echo =) |
| 16:11.15 | CellBot | 5The FAQ Mode has now been enabled, to ask a question, please type !faq <question>. 4Operators Only: 1Please Type !mfaq for help on maintaining the FAQ. |
| 16:11.29 | bzdouggg | !faq |
| 16:11.33 | bzdouggg | !mfaq |
| 16:11.41 | bzdouggg | !faq help |
| 16:11.51 | bzdouggg | !faq faq |
| 16:11.58 | Cell | !fac what is? |
| 16:12.02 | someone | hello jzuan, bzgirl, apathy, snike |
| 16:12.08 | bzdouggg | humhp |
| 16:12.17 | bzdouggg | ~faq jzuan |
| 16:12.17 | | bzdouggg: i don't know |
| 16:12.20 | bzdouggg | j,, |
| 16:12.32 | someone | I think you have to type a question along with the command??? |
| 16:12.41 | bzdouggg | its a dumb bot |
| 16:12.42 | Cell | !hl |
| 16:12.46 | bzdouggg | wee need a alice bot |
| 16:13.19 | Cell | !hl on |
| 16:13.45 | someone | !faq font |
| 16:13.53 | someone | oh well, not working |
| 16:14.13 | someone | ah, it worked... but the bot is heavily delayed |
| 16:14.19 | CellBot | hallo |
| 16:14.25 | someone | your question should be invis... kinda lame |
| 16:14.39 | someone | !faq bot |
| 16:14.49 | someone | !faq color |
| 16:14.50 | bzdouggg | ~lart CellBot |
| 16:15.01 | someone | nlol |
| 16:15.02 | Cell | !hp on |
| 16:15.07 | CellBot | 5The Hot Potato game has been enabled. If the potato lands on you, you have 6 seconds to pass it by typing !toss. Please type !toss to play. |
| 16:15.12 | someone | oops, so used to BZFlag... putting n in front |
| 16:15.18 | bzdouggg | !toss |
| 16:15.21 | CellBot | 6!!!!> bzdouggg Passes The Potato Around #bzflag... |
| 16:15.24 | CellBot | 6!!!!> The Potato lands in MrName's hand, hurry and pass the potato MrName! (type !toss) |
| 16:15.27 | CellBot | 2!!!!> You didn't pass the potato MrName! You lost! |
| 16:15.27 | CellBot | 4!!!!> Hot Potato game disabled. |
| 16:15.28 | sussudio | ops? please kick cell's fucking bot |
| 16:15.34 | bzdouggg | hey |
| 16:15.37 | Cell | !hl on 34 |
| 16:15.38 | someone | gesss... that's stupid |
| 16:15.40 | CellBot | 5The Higher/Lower Game Has Just Been Enabled, Please Start Guessing Numbers By Typing !guess <number>. The object is to guess the correct number between 1-34. |
| 16:15.48 | bzdouggg | !quess 20 |
| 16:15.55 | bzdouggg | !guess 20 |
| 16:15.56 | someone | !guess 32 |
| 16:15.58 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.01 | CellBot | 10someone> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.03 | someone | !guess 1 |
| 16:16.03 | bzdouggg | humph |
| 16:16.06 | CellBot | 10someone> 4HIGHER |
| 16:16.10 | bzdouggg | !guess 5 |
| 16:16.11 | someone | !guess 10 |
| 16:16.13 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 4HIGHER |
| 16:16.15 | bzdouggg | !guess 16 |
| 16:16.16 | CellBot | 10someone> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.17 | someone | !guess 15 |
| 16:16.19 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.21 | someone | !guess 14 |
| 16:16.22 | CellBot | 10someone> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.23 | bzdouggg | !guess 12 |
| 16:16.24 | someone | !guess 13 |
| 16:16.25 | CellBot | 10someone> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.27 | bzdouggg | ~guess 11 |
| 16:16.27 | | bzdouggg: i haven't a clue |
| 16:16.28 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.31 | CellBot | 10someone> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.32 | bzdouggg | !guess 10 |
| 16:16.35 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.36 | someone | lol... this bot sux |
| 16:16.40 | sussudio | OPS |
| 16:16.41 | bzdouggg | !guess 9 |
| 16:16.45 | someone | there is no correct number |
| 16:16.46 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 3LOWER |
| 16:16.50 | bzdouggg | bah |
| 16:17.00 | bzdouggg | !guess 7 |
| 16:17.02 | Cell | !quess 34 |
| 16:17.03 | CellBot | 10bzdouggg> 4HIGHER |
| 16:17.07 | bzdouggg | noo |
| 16:17.08 | someone | I put 10, and it said higher... 11 at it said lower |
| 16:17.11 | bzdouggg | !guess 8 |
| 16:17.16 | CellBot | 5bzdouggg just won the Higher/Lower game! Please type !highstats to view all of the games winners. The Higher/Lower game has just been auto-disabled. |
| 16:17.17 | someone | !guess 10.5 |
| 16:17.21 | bzdouggg | it said higher to me |
| 16:17.27 | bzdouggg | woo |
| 16:17.30 | someone | ah, the bot sux |
| 16:17.49 | someone | hello loud guy |
| 16:17.58 | LoudGuyAHHH | Hey someone |
| 16:18.11 | bzdouggg | hello LOUDGUYAHHH |
| 16:18.16 | someone | someone = Dervish |
| 16:18.19 | someone | nbtwe |
| 16:18.27 | LoudGuyAHHH | Just found this link and popped over |
| 16:18.28 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 16:18.29 | someone | oops, massive typo |
| 16:18.32 | bzdouggg | hi |
| 16:18.35 | Cell | !fortune on |
| 16:18.40 | CellBot | 5The Eightball Mode Has Been Enabled, To Have Your Fortune Read, Type: !eightball <question> |
| 16:18.44 | bzdouggg | !fortune off |
| 16:18.52 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 16:18.54 | LoudGuyAHHH | I play bzFlag more than any other online game |
| 16:18.54 | someone | !eightball Does this bot suck? |
| 16:18.57 | someone | lol |
| 16:18.58 | CellBot | Outlook good, someone. |
| 16:19.07 | someone | hahahaha |
| 16:19.08 | bzdouggg | !eightball can you throw up |
| 16:19.13 | CellBot | Of course, bzdouggg. |
| 16:19.17 | bzdouggg | ROFL |
| 16:19.18 | someone | hahaha |
| 16:19.36 | sussudio | why dont you all bugger off to #12yearoldsandtheirstupidbots |
| 16:19.46 | bzdouggg | !eightball die! |
| 16:19.49 | someone | !eightball Does your creator have FAR too much time on his/her hands? |
| 16:19.49 | CellBot | Of course, bzdouggg. |
| 16:19.52 | CellBot | Outlook good, someone. |
| 16:19.55 | someone | ROFLOL |
| 16:20.02 | bzdouggg | !part #bzflag |
| 16:20.17 | Cell | !bottle on |
| 16:20.20 | CellBot | 5The Spin The Bottle Mode Has Been Enabled, To Spin The Bottle, Type: !spin |
| 16:20.24 | bzdouggg | !spin |
| 16:20.27 | CellBot | 4!!!!> bzdouggg Spins The Bottle... |
| 16:20.30 | CellBot | 4!!!!> Pucker Up bzbot, The Bottle Landed On You! |
| 16:20.36 | bzdouggg | haha |
| 16:20.39 | someone | !spin |
| 16:20.42 | CellBot | 4!!!!> someone Spins The Bottle... |
| 16:20.45 | bzdouggg | comeon bzbot!! |
| 16:20.46 | CellBot | 4!!!!> Pucker Up scanline, The Bottle Landed On You! |
| 16:20.52 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 16:21.04 | someone | I think it's the dating game for bots |
| 16:21.07 | scanline | eek |
| 16:21.18 | bzdouggg | hurry up scanline! |
| 16:21.24 | someone | lol |
| 16:21.39 | Cell | !trivgame on |
| 16:21.45 | CellBot | 5The Trivia Game has been enabled, commands are as follows: |
| 16:21.45 | CellBot | 5!tplay (starts the game) |
| 16:21.45 | CellBot | 5!trivia <answer> (lets you guess the answer) --- !hint (gives you a hint) --- !repeat (repeats the question) --- !next (skips to the next question) --- !tscore <nickname> (lets you see how many times someone has won) |
| 16:21.54 | sussudio | cell: GET YOUR FUCKING BOT OUT OF HERE |
| 16:22.00 | someone | geeesss... ok, time for !mute CellBot |
| 16:22.01 | bzdouggg | ~kill cellbot |
| 16:22.01 | | ACTION smashes Cellbots CPU with a hammer |
| 16:22.07 | Cell | why it likes me |
| 16:22.37 | bzdouggg | go ahead |
| 16:22.44 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 16:22.55 | Cell | !tplay |
| 16:22.58 | CellBot | 6First question in 3 seconds... |
| 16:22.58 | bzdouggg | hey Patlabor221! |
| 16:23.01 | CellBot | 10Question: What was the name of Ross' pet monkey on friends? |
| 16:23.01 | CellBot | 10Answer: ------- |
| 16:23.11 | bzdouggg | um |
| 16:23.16 | Patlabor221 | hey |
| 16:23.16 | someone | * puts CellBot in an infinite loop, and the bot fizzels |
| 16:23.21 | bzdouggg | ~lart CellBot |
| 16:23.25 | someone | how do you do emotes? |
| 16:23.29 | sussudio | i know but i refuse to answer cause this fucking bot doesnt belong in this channel |
| 16:23.35 | bzdouggg | /me emotes |
| 16:23.39 | someone | nthx =) |
| 16:23.46 | someone | oops, that n thing again |
| 16:23.46 | Chestal | yes, Cell, please remove the bot, this channel has enough noise as is |
| 16:23.55 | Chestal | isn't there a channel for testing bots anyway? |
| 16:23.56 | someone | yes, please |
| 16:23.58 | Cell | k |
| 16:24.07 | bzdouggg | noise *cough* noise |
| 16:24.09 | Cell | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 16:24.31 | Patlabor221 | doug was that you making noise? |
| 16:24.35 | Cell | !kick CellBot |
| 16:24.51 | bzdouggg | no, wansnt me |
| 16:25.07 | Patlabor221 | ohh then musta been the time before. |
| 16:25.11 | Patlabor221 | and the time before that |
| 16:25.16 | sussudio | have you ever -seen- a full sized at board before, doug? |
| 16:25.21 | bzdouggg | 50% done! |
| 16:25.33 | bzdouggg | at board? |
| 16:25.36 | hoda | hi |
| 16:25.38 | sussudio | yes |
| 16:26.19 | sussudio | it's like the size of an a3 paper |
| 16:26.19 | bzdouggg | maybe |
| 16:26.19 | someone | well, I have to get back to selling my junk on eBay. Take it easy =) |
| 16:26.19 | hoda | hey how could i get a mesh into bzflag? |
| 16:26.19 | Patlabor221 | I did not know that BZflag was included in the Nvidia sterio driver setup list |
| 16:26.19 | Patlabor221 | you can't, not yet anyway |
| 16:26.19 | Patlabor221 | all the meshes are hardcoded |
| 16:26.19 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 16:26.19 | hoda | i mean compile it in |
| 16:26.19 | bzdouggg | cya |
| 16:26.27 | bzdouggg | Patlabor221: it is????!?!?! |
| 16:26.29 | hoda | can i export it to ascii? |
| 16:26.29 | bzdouggg | where? |
| 16:26.36 | Patlabor221 | doug SHUT UP |
| 16:26.40 | Patlabor221 | hota |
| 16:26.44 | Patlabor221 | it's C code |
| 16:26.53 | hoda | i know that man |
| 16:26.59 | hoda | im a game coder |
| 16:27.01 | Patlabor221 | there are c files that are included for the non parametrics |
| 16:27.10 | Patlabor221 | ok then you should be able to find it |
| 16:27.14 | Patlabor221 | it's in the geo project |
| 16:27.19 | hoda | i dont have or want source |
| 16:27.28 | Patlabor221 | ok then what do you want to do? |
| 16:27.31 | hoda | id like to donate a tank mesh |
| 16:27.34 | bzdouggg | Stereo Value Rating: N/A |
| 16:27.38 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 16:27.38 | hoda | an awesome tank mesh |
| 16:27.41 | Patlabor221 | in what format? |
| 16:27.50 | hoda | thats the question now isnt it :P |
| 16:27.55 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 16:28.02 | hoda | can i export it too a suitable format? |
| 16:28.02 | Patlabor221 | since we have no format it dosn't mater realy |
| 16:28.13 | hoda | i can export to ascii |
| 16:28.18 | Patlabor221 | tho I am working on a model class, it can read MD3 ut and obj |
| 16:28.18 | hoda | its 366 poly |
| 16:28.24 | Patlabor221 | seems low |
| 16:28.29 | hoda | its NICE |
| 16:28.31 | Patlabor221 | but hey if it's cool |
| 16:28.38 | Patlabor221 | got a picture? |
| 16:28.41 | hoda | it looks real good |
| 16:28.44 | hoda | sure ill send |
| 16:28.51 | hoda | its only 3 days old though |
| 16:28.54 | bzdouggg | DCC me the mesh |
| 16:28.56 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 16:29.10 | Patlabor221 | can you post the picture on a website |
| 16:29.17 | bzdouggg | I can povray it and make it look pretty.. like shiny gun barrels |
| 16:29.18 | hoda | uhh |
| 16:29.29 | Patlabor221 | doug how does that help anyone? |
| 16:29.31 | hoda | im making a commercial game |
| 16:29.37 | hoda | its for that |
| 16:29.50 | Patlabor221 | then don't give it to doug. |
| 16:29.51 | hoda | but the raw mesh i can give to riker and his project |
| 16:29.58 | hoda | gpl it |
| 16:30.01 | hoda | i guess |
| 16:30.03 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 16:30.06 | bzdouggg | what game? |
| 16:30.08 | hoda | or whatever he wants to do |
| 16:30.20 | hoda | its called M.E.R.C.S |
| 16:30.35 | hoda | its a mecha-fps-rpg |
| 16:30.41 | Patlabor221 | I think we need a "Stuff" project in ether the svn or the cvs servers |
| 16:30.44 | hoda | wif tanks |
| 16:30.51 | Patlabor221 | all those in one game, wow |
| 16:30.53 | bzdouggg | http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/sms/01/mercsSMS.html |
| 16:30.54 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 16:31.12 | hoda | i heard bout that |
| 16:31.17 | hoda | the sega game |
| 16:31.19 | bzdouggg | heh, is there a website? |
| 16:31.27 | hoda | ok |
| 16:31.30 | Patlabor221 | what format is the model in now? |
| 16:31.34 | hoda | theres a test server |
| 16:31.37 | hoda | 3ds |
| 16:31.50 | hoda | that has the frontpage of the site |
| 16:31.51 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 16:31.55 | bzdouggg | where is it? |
| 16:31.56 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 16:32.06 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro |
| 16:32.08 | hoda | http://www.mercs.go.ro/ |
| 16:32.16 | Patlabor221 | does it have texture coords? |
| 16:32.27 | hoda | i can do that |
| 16:32.31 | hoda | if it dosnt now |
| 16:32.42 | hoda | i know vaguely what tex coords are |
| 16:32.42 | bzdouggg | hmm, interesting... |
| 16:34.12 | Patlabor221 | how many polys is it? |
| 16:34.15 | hoda | the turrets dont figure into the 366 poly count |
| 16:34.24 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:34.28 | hoda | i havnt optimised the turrets |
| 16:34.29 | bzdouggg | Mmmm, burnt smoking pumpkin |
| 16:34.38 | hoda | but i could get it all under 512 |
| 16:34.40 | Patlabor221 | well it must have some form of texture coords |
| 16:34.53 | hoda | its got a uvw map? |
| 16:35.05 | hoda | ohhhh |
| 16:35.08 | hoda | tex coords |
| 16:35.21 | Patlabor221 | yes texture coorfs |
| 16:35.24 | Patlabor221 | coords |
| 16:35.31 | hoda | are those same as mapping coords? |
| 16:35.41 | hoda | >:| |
| 16:36.26 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:36.42 | hoda | oh well then yes |
| 16:36.48 | hoda | ofcourse |
| 16:36.50 | hoda | :P |
| 16:36.56 | Patlabor221 | I had made a couple tank models as well |
| 16:37.01 | hoda | dif companies make up dif names for things |
| 16:37.01 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/tankshots.png |
| 16:37.19 | hoda | hey |
| 16:37.21 | Patlabor221 | well in all low level 3d APIs they are called texture coordinates |
| 16:37.28 | hoda | you should slap that turret on my hull |
| 16:37.30 | Patlabor221 | and I had another one |
| 16:37.34 | Patlabor221 | let me find it |
| 16:37.37 | bzdouggg | pretty |
| 16:38.01 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/hover1.jpg |
| 16:38.08 | hoda | i like the curvier shapes |
| 16:38.34 | hoda | that ones cool |
| 16:38.48 | Patlabor221 | it needs UV's and normal smothing tho |
| 16:38.59 | hoda | it needs to be a bit thinner |
| 16:39.05 | Patlabor221 | how many texturues does yours use? |
| 16:39.10 | hoda | 1 |
| 16:39.29 | bzdouggg | 'lo BZFlag! |
| 16:39.30 | hoda | its skinned with a 800x600 tex |
| 16:39.42 | Patlabor221 | good god |
| 16:39.45 | Patlabor221 | that is huge |
| 16:39.47 | bzdouggg | there are no skins in bzflag is there? |
| 16:39.52 | Patlabor221 | and not GL happy |
| 16:39.58 | Patlabor221 | BZ has textures on it's tanks |
| 16:40.05 | bzdouggg | oh |
| 16:40.14 | Patlabor221 | but they are not layed out like "skins" usualy are |
| 16:40.24 | Patlabor221 | that's why I am redoing the UVs on the tank |
| 16:40.25 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 16:40.58 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see your model, what did you make it in? |
| 16:41.13 | bzdouggg | ~seen RCAM |
| 16:41.13 | | bzdouggg: i haven't seen 'rcam' |
| 16:41.58 | hoda | are you talking to me? |
| 16:42.16 | bzdouggg | me? no |
| 16:42.22 | hoda | pat |
| 16:42.42 | Patlabor221 | you |
| 16:42.47 | Patlabor221 | no not doug |
| 16:42.50 | Patlabor221 | he can't make models |
| 16:42.56 | bzdouggg | I can too |
| 16:43.00 | hoda | uhh you wanna see ther vertexes? |
| 16:43.02 | Patlabor221 | boxes don't count |
| 16:43.04 | bzdouggg | once I learn |
| 16:43.13 | bzdouggg | I made a aphere |
| 16:43.23 | Patlabor221 | hoda: I'd like to see the 3ds file and the texture. |
| 16:43.33 | bzdouggg | mee too |
| 16:44.30 | Patlabor221 | I can check it into our temporary "next version" database of files. |
| 16:44.54 | hoda | well im not giving it to anyone but tim |
| 16:45.00 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:45.01 | hoda | first of all |
| 16:45.11 | Patlabor221 | he'll have to give it to me to get in game anyway |
| 16:45.17 | hoda | but ill happily donate if it will be used |
| 16:45.26 | Patlabor221 | it will have to be changed to be used |
| 16:45.45 | Patlabor221 | but it can be used once drop in model replacement is hooked up |
| 16:45.58 | hoda | do you think an ascii export will facilitate its integration? |
| 16:46.05 | bzdouggg | hoda: BZFlag is Tim |
| 16:46.10 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean by ascii |
| 16:46.19 | Patlabor221 | an asc? |
| 16:46.24 | Patlabor221 | from 3ds |
| 16:46.31 | Patlabor221 | best would be OBJ |
| 16:46.36 | hoda | hmm |
| 16:46.45 | hoda | pls hold so straight to c |
| 16:46.47 | Patlabor221 | but regualr 3ds is fine, it's a common format, lots of stuff reads in |
| 16:47.11 | Patlabor221 | the texutre would need to be changed before it went to C |
| 16:47.22 | Patlabor221 | Gl textures need to be power of 2 in each axis |
| 16:48.03 | Patlabor221 | the plan is to allow external files to be loaded as models and get rid of this hardcoded stuff. |
| 16:48.09 | hoda | well skins arent my thing |
| 16:48.15 | hoda | uhh |
| 16:48.20 | hoda | i like bz flag |
| 16:48.27 | hoda | just not the models |
| 16:48.35 | hoda | jumping is a pian too |
| 16:48.37 | Patlabor221 | and it would need to be broken into "chunks" so it can be explded like the current tank. |
| 16:48.49 | hoda | you mean convex? |
| 16:49.00 | Patlabor221 | no I mean just seperate parts |
| 16:49.07 | Patlabor221 | so they can fly off in difrent directions |
| 16:49.07 | hoda | uhh |
| 16:49.26 | Patlabor221 | the curent tank is made of 5 pieces. |
| 16:49.27 | hoda | cant we use a exploding model animation |
| 16:49.28 | Patlabor221 | 2 treads |
| 16:49.31 | Patlabor221 | body |
| 16:49.34 | Patlabor221 | turret |
| 16:49.36 | Patlabor221 | barrel |
| 16:49.52 | Patlabor221 | current bz dosn't support animations like that |
| 16:49.56 | hoda | i see |
| 16:50.09 | bzdouggg | how does bzflag make it explode? |
| 16:50.14 | hoda | well when is this drop-in model feature gonna get implemented |
| 16:50.18 | Patlabor221 | all hardcoded |
| 16:50.21 | hoda | it seperates the peices |
| 16:50.22 | bzdouggg | ick |
| 16:50.34 | hoda | and rotates them |
| 16:50.37 | Patlabor221 | well I am working on a class that will do it |
| 16:50.41 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 16:50.55 | Patlabor221 | so my hopes are soon |
| 16:51.39 | hoda | ok |
| 16:51.45 | Patlabor221 | then it could just be a MD3 |
| 16:51.47 | hoda | ill donate the raw bocy mesh |
| 16:51.52 | hoda | body |
| 16:51.54 | Patlabor221 | and have animations for the exposion |
| 16:52.09 | Patlabor221 | huzzah |
| 16:52.13 | Patlabor221 | all inoculated? |
| 16:52.27 | captain_proton | oh i finished with that about an hour and a half after i left for it |
| 16:52.29 | hoda | ill brb |
| 16:52.34 | captain_proton | just got back from physics lab |
| 16:52.38 | Patlabor221 | ohhthe last pint is allways chunky |
| 16:53.12 | sussudio | no, that's just part kidney |
| 16:53.27 | Patlabor221 | you should put a filter on those things |
| 16:53.34 | sussudio | he wouldnt sit still |
| 16:53.49 | Patlabor221 | baseball bat. |
| 16:54.02 | sussudio | i tried a bowling pin |
| 16:54.17 | bzdouggg | hammer? |
| 16:54.23 | Patlabor221 | to large in dimater, no grip, better leverage with the bat. |
| 16:54.45 | Patlabor221 | still not engouh mass witht he hammer |
| 16:54.54 | bzdouggg | whats a .max file? is it the same as a .3ds? |
| 16:55.00 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:55.02 | bzdouggg | k |
| 16:55.04 | captain_proton | .3ds is original 3d studio |
| 16:55.08 | Patlabor221 | .max is for 3ds max |
| 16:55.12 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 16:55.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah and it was DOS |
| 16:55.18 | Patlabor221 | max is windows |
| 16:55.22 | bzdouggg | k |
| 16:55.26 | Patlabor221 | max can make 3ds files tho |
| 16:55.31 | Patlabor221 | but they suck |
| 16:55.42 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 16:55.56 | Patlabor221 | max has a terible 3ds exporter |
| 16:56.10 | bzdouggg | made by the same people? |
| 16:56.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:56.24 | Patlabor221 | tho they did change there name |
| 16:56.25 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 16:56.41 | Patlabor221 | autodesk broke off the 3dstudio people into there own company/branch |
| 16:56.49 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 16:57.09 | Patlabor221 | I think they are called ether kenetix or descreete now |
| 16:57.31 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:58.01 | captain_proton | they were kinetix for a while, discreet gobbled them up |
| 16:58.11 | doughecka | ummm |
| 16:58.15 | doughecka | §status on |
| 17:00.33 | doughecka | !kick CelL |
| 17:01.59 | Patlabor221 | kick the other doug |
| 17:02.05 | Patlabor221 | doug why do you have 2 again? |
| 17:02.07 | doughecka | cant |
| 17:02.19 | doughecka | a) its not registered |
| 17:02.39 | doughecka | b) its a ghost |
| 17:02.39 | CelL | §at on 20 |
| 17:02.57 | doughecka | c) bzflag said its ok to have 2 computers connected |
| 17:03.14 | Patlabor221 | so yo whine to daddy now when people kick you? :) |
| 17:03.25 | doughecka | nooope |
| 17:03.37 | doughecka | he "noticed" the ban |
| 17:03.44 | Patlabor221 | I htink you should get 1 computer per controution to the project |
| 17:03.56 | Patlabor221 | after you msgd him |
| 17:04.00 | doughecka | ouch, that would flood the channel |
| 17:04.13 | doughecka | heh ;) |
| 17:04.26 | captain_proton | doughecka: right, you've contributed a lot |
| 17:04.38 | doughecka | indeed |
| 17:04.53 | Cell | §at on 20 |
| 17:04.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah I don't know how the sytem would handle -1 computers |
| 17:05.18 | sussudio | hey he contributed spirals |
| 17:05.20 | doughecka | Cell: your in bed I hope? and these are really smart bots? |
| 17:05.37 | doughecka | yea! |
| 17:05.40 | Patlabor221 | that's what got him up to -1 |
| 17:05.44 | sussudio | does that count as -1? |
| 17:05.44 | Cell | §at on 121 |
| 17:05.56 | sussudio | cellbot: bugger off |
| 17:06.02 | doughecka | and lemme see.... |
| 17:06.05 | captain_proton | sussudio: it counts as 1, but the laser world is -10 |
| 17:06.12 | doughecka | sussudio should be down to -15 no? |
| 17:06.14 | sussudio | oh yeah |
| 17:06.24 | doughecka | you fix laserworld no? |
| 17:06.31 | captain_proton | yeah i did |
| 17:06.39 | doughecka | +10 |
| 17:06.42 | captain_proton | i got rid of all your hollow buildings and hiding spots |
| 17:06.48 | captain_proton | doughecka: that doesn't count for your score |
| 17:06.56 | captain_proton | since you weren't the one to fix it |
| 17:07.01 | doughecka | people LIKED them hollow buildings |
| 17:07.05 | Cell | hm |
| 17:07.09 | captain_proton | unless they weren't inside one |
| 17:07.24 | doughecka | thats the whole point of the map |
| 17:07.34 | captain_proton | for the first person who joins to be invincible? |
| 17:07.36 | doughecka | of people dont like it.... dont play it |
| 17:07.41 | PerfectCell | He would like to Duke Blue Devil jersey. |
| 17:07.53 | doughecka | !kick PerfectCell |
| 17:08.15 | Widget | Gah.\ |
| 17:08.18 | doughecka | ah thanks |
| 17:08.23 | doughecka | §kick PerfectCell |
| 17:08.47 | Patlabor221 | do you beilve in "playtesting" your maps? |
| 17:08.51 | captain_proton | doughecka: stfu with the 'kick' stuff |
| 17:09.04 | doughecka | Patlabor221: not really... |
| 17:09.18 | doughecka | captain_proton: cell got it to work, it removed the bot |
| 17:09.29 | PerfectCell | I am in the house - I mean channel. |
| 17:10.00 | captain_proton | no in fact it didn't, the only kicks here have been from me ;) |
| 17:10.20 | doughecka | well the bot has a builtin kick that can kick its own self |
| 17:10.35 | doughecka | very interesting to watch nevertheless |
| 17:11.19 | PerfectCell | We will have a new computer. |
| 17:13.09 | PerfectCell | How are you amigos? |
| 17:15.00 | PerfectCell | He are really Third Eye Blind cd. |
| 17:15.24 | doughecka | oh great, cell found the RandWord bot |
| 17:15.42 | Patlabor221 | all b4k4 |
| 17:16.50 | PerfectCell | As FatboySlim says: "You've come a long way, baby". |
| 17:17.07 | hoda | im back |
| 17:17.16 | Patlabor221 | just fond the modern music, cell didn't you |
| 17:17.34 | Patlabor221 | hoda, Tim has left. |
| 17:17.47 | hoda | awww |
| 17:18.01 | Cell | §gbook on |
| 17:18.04 | PerfectCell | 5The Guestbook Has Just Been Enabled, To Leave A Message Type §guestbook. |
| 17:18.13 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:18.25 | Patlabor221 | test the bot in private please. |
| 17:18.36 | captain_proton | PerfectCell: can you please test the bot in another channel? |
| 17:18.43 | PerfectCell | They received a car. |
| 17:18.45 | captain_proton | hoda: what are you interested in exactly? |
| 17:18.53 | Cell | ok |
| 17:19.07 | doughecka | ~attack |
| 17:19.07 | | §help |
| 17:19.10 | hoda | helping with the media |
| 17:19.19 | hoda | in-game media |
| 17:19.29 | hoda | the face of bzflag |
| 17:19.37 | captain_proton | textures and sounds? |
| 17:20.14 | Cell | §at on 121 |
| 17:20.21 | Cell | its damn late |
| 17:20.37 | Cell | doughecka:how is the download going? |
| 17:21.01 | doughecka | 61 % |
| 17:21.08 | doughecka | 3 hours left |
| 17:21.14 | Cell | oh k |
| 17:21.17 | hoda | im a musician |
| 17:21.21 | Cell | i go to bed |
| 17:21.22 | hoda | and sound engineer |
| 17:21.24 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:21.25 | doughecka | cya |
| 17:21.40 | hoda | id like to help with sound effects too |
| 17:21.56 | hoda | but i am making my own game, with a fledgling company |
| 17:21.56 | doughecka | hoda: wee need new sound effects... :) |
| 17:22.07 | PerfectCell | It are extremely cd. |
| 17:22.30 | hoda | it? |
| 17:23.56 | captain_proton | hoda: well, feel free to post to the patches section on the bzflag site |
| 17:23.56 | PerfectCell | I am saying completely random sentences, can't you tell? |
| 17:24.00 | Patlabor221 | hoda: and a modeler? |
| 17:24.09 | doughecka | PerfectCell: indeed |
| 17:24.13 | hoda | i do everything |
| 17:24.13 | Patlabor221 | cell stuff the bot. |
| 17:24.26 | hoda | cept code... yet |
| 17:25.16 | Rndwrd | MrCooper: FOR SALE: beavering dents. Thesedays, it comes supplied with japesome C-Howells, and I am willing to exchange it for colossal girls. It's scary when you take interest in this deal >:) |
| 17:25.35 | doughecka | ? |
| 17:25.39 | captain_proton | Rndwrd: ? |
| 17:25.39 | Rndwrd | captain_proton: You must not delight pterodactyl :P |
| 17:25.47 | PerfectCell | It wish I had a new computer. |
| 17:25.57 | captain_proton | remove the bots, now |
| 17:26.03 | captain_proton | or i will remove them for you |
| 17:26.25 | hoda | hey pat |
| 17:26.29 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:26.33 | hoda | i have a propasition |
| 17:26.39 | Patlabor221 | adn that is? |
| 17:26.45 | hoda | since were both dev;ing |
| 17:26.50 | hoda | games |
| 17:26.52 | doughecka | a bot that kicks other bots |
| 17:27.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:27.03 | hoda | can we not work together? |
| 17:27.09 | Patlabor221 | in what way? |
| 17:27.22 | hoda | i can do anything artistic and im learning c++ |
| 17:27.37 | PerfectCell | Have you heard Third Eye Blind's song God Of Wine? It's awesome. |
| 17:27.44 | hoda | i can do anything really |
| 17:27.51 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:27.55 | hoda | for games :P |
| 17:28.11 | Patlabor221 | what did you have in mind? |
| 17:28.18 | hoda | but i lack the c++ skills and i have a team |
| 17:28.27 | Patlabor221 | team of? |
| 17:28.35 | hoda | well if you would jion my project as a coowner |
| 17:28.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: jetstream obviously |
| 17:28.42 | Widget | §gbook on |
| 17:28.46 | hoda | coders/artists |
| 17:28.55 | Patlabor221 | what are they doing now? |
| 17:29.07 | hoda | we havnt licensed our engine yet |
| 17:29.16 | hoda | so were making models/skins/tex's |
| 17:29.19 | hoda | maps |
| 17:29.21 | hoda | etc etc |
| 17:29.26 | hoda | game material |
| 17:29.29 | PerfectCell | I would like to cat. |
| 17:29.40 | hoda | we havnt even started coding yet |
| 17:29.58 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:29.59 | Patlabor221 | if you don't have an engine how do you know what format to make your assets in? |
| 17:30.07 | hoda | its a commercial ngine |
| 17:30.12 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 17:30.13 | hoda | and ive used it before |
| 17:30.16 | hoda | torque |
| 17:30.22 | hoda | i modded t2 |
| 17:30.26 | Patlabor221 | from garage games? |
| 17:30.28 | hoda | so i have previous exp |
| 17:30.30 | hoda | yeah |
| 17:30.34 | Patlabor221 | the tribes 2 engine |
| 17:30.36 | hoda | they changed ther license |
| 17:30.38 | Patlabor221 | it's $100 |
| 17:30.43 | Patlabor221 | is it more now? |
| 17:30.53 | hoda | its got awesome net code |
| 17:30.53 | hoda | no |
| 17:30.53 | hoda | but the license is great |
| 17:30.56 | Patlabor221 | it's net code is ok |
| 17:31.00 | Patlabor221 | yes I know of the lic |
| 17:31.04 | hoda | they opened up publishing options |
| 17:31.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:31.17 | PerfectCell | Have you heard Third Eye Blind's song Motorcycle Driveby? It's great. |
| 17:31.17 | hoda | you can distro/ publish anywhere now |
| 17:31.48 | hoda | anyways we dont have to do any serious alterations besides database code |
| 17:32.02 | hoda | and maybe some other things... |
| 17:32.11 | hoda | but we do need some exp members |
| 17:32.19 | Patlabor221 | to do? |
| 17:32.26 | hoda | well |
| 17:32.33 | hoda | we want a persistent world |
| 17:32.43 | hoda | so were gonna connect servers to a database |
| 17:32.49 | hoda | mysql database |
| 17:32.59 | Patlabor221 | interesting |
| 17:33.07 | PerfectCell | You extremely want bar-b-que |
| 17:33.12 | hoda | and well prolly need help keeping that secure and reliable |
| 17:33.29 | hoda | and the other big thing is server hopping |
| 17:33.37 | Patlabor221 | but you don't have the $100 for the enigne yet? |
| 17:33.47 | hoda | lol, i dont |
| 17:33.52 | hoda | im poor as hell |
| 17:34.04 | hoda | im getting it very soon |
| 17:34.06 | Patlabor221 | who is the rights holder on the game assests? |
| 17:34.15 | hoda | but i still have alot of other things to do yet |
| 17:34.17 | hoda | we all are |
| 17:34.22 | Patlabor221 | you have a company? |
| 17:34.28 | hoda | if you join you own % of everything |
| 17:34.31 | hoda | a share |
| 17:34.36 | hoda | we all own a share |
| 17:34.41 | captain_proton | you have a company? |
| 17:34.46 | hoda | Smack-Hit Productions |
| 17:34.54 | hoda | yes |
| 17:34.57 | PerfectCell | Michael Jordan is the awesome basketball player ever, he was born in Wilmington, North Carolina. |
| 17:34.59 | captain_proton | hoda: what states are you incorporated in? |
| 17:35.11 | hoda | lol illinios i suppose were international |
| 17:35.20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:35.23 | hoda | id like to base it in canada |
| 17:35.31 | Patlabor221 | you have a design document? |
| 17:35.37 | doughecka | did you just ban everybody that uses t-dialin.net? |
| 17:35.39 | hoda | im not registered in any way |
| 17:35.43 | captain_proton | doughecka: i suppose so |
| 17:35.57 | hoda | i have an extensive end-product outline |
| 17:36.10 | hoda | but i havnt documented the technical aspects of dev |
| 17:36.39 | hoda | but i have a large detailed doc available for the game were producing |
| 17:36.46 | Patlabor221 | well I do have a number of projects going on right now |
| 17:36.54 | Patlabor221 | in adition to the 2 "day" jobs |
| 17:37.20 | hoda | damn |
| 17:37.26 | hoda | well i can help your projects |
| 17:37.32 | hoda | my team can |
| 17:37.38 | hoda | i cant REALLY talk for them |
| 17:37.50 | hoda | but im pretty sure theyde be willing to do some work for you |
| 17:38.06 | hoda | and i myself can work 24/7 on the data |
| 17:38.13 | Patlabor221 | cap is in more need of asset work then I |
| 17:38.33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not really, that project is on the back burner |
| 17:38.37 | hoda | im very ambiteous |
| 17:38.39 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:38.49 | hoda | what proj? |
| 17:39.03 | Patlabor221 | what level of skills do the rest of your team have? |
| 17:39.15 | hoda | well most are intermediatte |
| 17:39.25 | Patlabor221 | do you have examples of work? |
| 17:39.32 | hoda | but some have alot of artistic talent |
| 17:39.41 | hoda | i have tons of examples of my work |
| 17:39.44 | Patlabor221 | did you make that tank model? |
| 17:39.50 | hoda | oh yeah |
| 17:39.56 | hoda | like the day b4 yesterday |
| 17:39.58 | Patlabor221 | what apps do you use to do them in? |
| 17:40.06 | hoda | i use rhino3d/3ds |
| 17:40.17 | hoda | 3dsmax4 |
| 17:40.32 | captain_proton | you can afford 3dsmax 4 but not a $100 game engine? |
| 17:40.34 | hoda | i use photoshop and gimp for textures |
| 17:40.45 | hoda | im getting the license soon |
| 17:40.50 | doughecka | ;) |
| 17:40.59 | captain_proton | so you're using unlicensed software for asset creation? |
| 17:41.00 | Patlabor221 | do you have other examples of models |
| 17:41.13 | hoda | uhh yes many |
| 17:41.29 | hoda | well |
| 17:41.37 | hoda | companies shouldnt charge so much |
| 17:41.44 | hoda | thats why puiracy occurs |
| 17:41.51 | Patlabor221 | but they do, so we have to work in there rules. |
| 17:42.02 | hoda | im not worried |
| 17:42.08 | Patlabor221 | are the examples in a place that can be seen? |
| 17:42.14 | hoda | people are going to try to steal my game |
| 17:42.28 | hoda | hmm |
| 17:42.28 | Patlabor221 | why do you think that? |
| 17:42.46 | hoda | its alot of werk to upload and post them to a webpage |
| 17:43.13 | Patlabor221 | it is alot of work, that's why most artist put a fiar amount of time into there portfolio. |
| 17:43.30 | hoda | They can try, but the ammount of money ill be charging dosnt justify it |
| 17:43.53 | hoda | were putting our website up now |
| 17:44.02 | hoda | at a better webserver |
| 17:44.17 | hoda | but mercs.go.ro blows |
| 17:44.22 | doughecka | indeed |
| 17:45.06 | Patlabor221 | well honestly your tank model is a bit simplisting, and unblanaced in design. and the textturing is not realy set up to be used in any game engine efiecntly. |
| 17:45.16 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'd like to see more examples of your work |
| 17:45.25 | hoda | it is 3 days old |
| 17:45.28 | hoda | :P |
| 17:45.36 | hoda | im still very much working on it |
| 17:45.36 | Patlabor221 | still |
| 17:45.40 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:45.51 | Patlabor221 | do you have anyting else that is more refined? |
| 17:46.01 | hoda | but i was looking through sf.com and dl'd bzflag again |
| 17:46.09 | hoda | i have a spaceship |
| 17:46.20 | hoda | umm |
| 17:46.23 | hoda | mechs |
| 17:46.33 | hoda | a truck |
| 17:46.37 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see some shots of them, if that's cool |
| 17:46.45 | hoda | kool hold up |
| 17:47.04 | doughecka | me too |
| 17:47.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:47.31 | Patlabor221 | doug is your motto "me too"? |
| 17:47.37 | doughecka | thanks |
| 17:48.33 | hoda | k thats some older stuff |
| 17:48.40 | doughecka | interesting |
| 17:48.44 | hoda | i can render some others |
| 17:48.49 | hoda | rite now |
| 17:49.50 | Patlabor221 | the weapons show promice |
| 17:50.04 | hoda | i used all those to learn how too model |
| 17:50.08 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:50.16 | hoda | now i r learned |
| 17:50.20 | Patlabor221 | do you have any wirefames, so I can see the quality of mesh? |
| 17:50.42 | hoda | sure ill give you tank mesh screeny |
| 17:51.28 | Patlabor221 | well I must tell you, my current projects are non comercal |
| 17:51.35 | Patlabor221 | I plan on them being free when they are done |
| 17:51.50 | Patlabor221 | but I could use some texture and model assests in the future |
| 17:52.51 | Patlabor221 | and bzflag could use more assests when we have the model support hooked up |
| 17:55.23 | hoda | well thats what i mean, were not gonna use all of these meshes |
| 17:55.34 | hoda | so instead of deleting them |
| 17:55.40 | hoda | and not working together |
| 17:55.47 | hoda | why not just recycle them |
| 17:56.08 | doughecka | hmm, recycled bits |
| 17:56.22 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: try the patch i sent? |
| 17:56.24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: we oughta make an openal backend for the soundmanager and hook it up |
| 17:56.27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah, compiles, runs |
| 17:56.38 | MrApathyCream | k, thanks |
| 17:56.38 | captain_proton | feel free to commit to either/both branches of svn |
| 17:56.41 | doughecka | MrApathyCream: patch? |
| 17:57.00 | MrApathyCream | code cleanup |
| 17:57.03 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:57.13 | hoda | i hate jumping in bzflag |
| 17:57.15 | Patlabor221 | cap: please feel free :) |
| 17:57.27 | hoda | its soo static |
| 17:57.37 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:57.41 | Patlabor221 | hoda: you mean the animations or the concept of it? |
| 17:57.48 | hoda | the physics |
| 17:57.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: heh, first i gotta get LGE hooked up, then the texture manager |
| 17:57.52 | captain_proton | hoda: howso? |
| 17:58.03 | Patlabor221 | yes texture manager phhhhhhullleeeaassse |
| 17:58.11 | hoda | just the way you carry on at the same angles and speed |
| 17:58.14 | Patlabor221 | then I can hook up der modelsen |
| 17:58.15 | hoda | yeah texs |
| 17:58.21 | captain_proton | hoda: how is that bad physics? |
| 17:58.21 | doughecka | the tank should bounce a little when it hits, right hoda? |
| 17:58.27 | hoda | its not bad |
| 17:58.35 | hoda | just confing and restrictive |
| 17:58.39 | hoda | confining |
| 17:58.56 | hoda | it does add a little dificulty |
| 17:59.01 | Patlabor221 | since then tanks can't aim, making them tilt or flip would affect game play too much |
| 17:59.16 | Patlabor221 | I could see puting some animation in the jump and landing |
| 17:59.20 | captain_proton | i'm going to go eat some dinner |
| 17:59.23 | hoda | well up and down is good |
| 17:59.29 | Patlabor221 | that's what "babby tank" was made for |
| 17:59.30 | hoda | its the constant turning |
| 17:59.30 | captain_proton | be back in about 30 |
| 17:59.39 | Patlabor221 | have fun cap. |
| 17:59.44 | hoda | same i gotta eat man |
| 17:59.53 | doughecka | You gotta eat! |
| 17:59.57 | hoda | gots to |
| 18:00.03 | doughecka | cya |
| 18:00.03 | hoda | sorry |
| 18:00.15 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 18:00.16 | hoda | my machines runs for weks |
| 18:00.24 | hoda | ill bbi30 |
| 18:00.36 | Patlabor221 | ohh no not leet |
| 18:00.38 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:01.09 | Patlabor221 | awww there's babby tanks base |
| 18:01.10 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/babytank2.jpg |
| 18:01.37 | doughecka | those red things? |
| 18:01.41 | doughecka | water tanks? |
| 18:01.42 | Patlabor221 | damn can't find baby tank1 |
| 18:01.52 | Patlabor221 | ammo cans man, it's all about the chain gun |
| 18:01.57 | doughecka | ooh, right |
| 18:02.02 | doughecka | and wheres the shotgun? |
| 18:02.16 | Patlabor221 | silly boy tanks don't have shotguns |
| 18:02.36 | Patlabor221 | people have shotguns |
| 18:02.48 | Patlabor221 | actualy the army is not even suposed to have them |
| 18:02.49 | doughecka | ooh |
| 18:02.58 | doughecka | why? |
| 18:03.04 | doughecka | too scary? |
| 18:03.05 | Patlabor221 | geneva convention said they were too "curel" |
| 18:03.12 | doughecka | scare the enemy back into there hole? |
| 18:03.14 | doughecka | ooh |
| 18:03.20 | Patlabor221 | they kill more then thy wound |
| 18:03.22 | doughecka | and a M16 isnt? |
| 18:03.28 | Patlabor221 | actualy no |
| 18:03.29 | [dmp] | .. sorry |
| 18:03.44 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:03.55 | Patlabor221 | a rifele shell has a better chance of wounding then a shotgun does |
| 18:04.05 | Patlabor221 | in war it better to wound then to kill |
| 18:04.10 | doughecka | indeed |
| 18:04.14 | Patlabor221 | wounded man takes 3 people to take care of him |
| 18:04.20 | Patlabor221 | kil takes 0 |
| 18:04.38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:04.47 | Patlabor221 | or maybe a couple for a bit |
| 18:05.26 | Patlabor221 | and woulding is more "humaine" and sends a stonger message back to the coutry of the soldier |
| 18:05.40 | doughecka | he |
| 18:05.41 | Patlabor221 | when someone dies there friends get mad |
| 18:05.42 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:05.58 | Patlabor221 | when somone is wounded and returns, the others are less likely to go for fear of the same. |
| 18:08.23 | doughecka | 2 hours, 11 min left |
| 18:12.06 | Patlabor221 | mm lipton lemon iced tea... It's BRISK baby |
| 18:12.24 | Patlabor221 | it's some good stuff |
| 18:12.29 | Patlabor221 | it's BRISK i tell you |
| 18:12.46 | doughecka | tea, coffee, and off things like that is bitter |
| 18:13.24 | Patlabor221 | this is the stuff in a can |
| 18:13.30 | Patlabor221 | it's rather sweet |
| 18:13.34 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 18:13.38 | doughecka | full of sugar |
| 18:13.53 | Patlabor221 | mana of the gods!!!!! |
| 18:17.10 | doughecka | hows that work? |
| 18:17.29 | Patlabor221 | thats the ponderance |
| 18:17.37 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:18.26 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice to support a combination of verted and mesh postions as anims |
| 18:19.19 | Patlabor221 | sorry vertex not verted |
| 18:20.38 | Patlabor221 | but basicly I am thinging of being able to define thigns like 'idle', move forward, move backward, fire |
| 18:20.50 | Patlabor221 | and all that as seperate sequences. |
| 18:20.54 | doughecka | and have treads that do that? |
| 18:21.06 | doughecka | the treads would spin? |
| 18:21.11 | Patlabor221 | if you animated the treads to do so sure |
| 18:21.15 | Patlabor221 | it would be per model |
| 18:21.19 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:21.24 | Patlabor221 | so each model could do it's own thing |
| 18:21.34 | Patlabor221 | but it would not be hardcoded in game |
| 18:21.47 | doughecka | k |
| 18:21.52 | Patlabor221 | but be inlucded in the model |
| 18:22.03 | Patlabor221 | so that if you made a tank with wheels |
| 18:22.07 | Patlabor221 | it would move them |
| 18:22.15 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:22.16 | Patlabor221 | if you made a hover tank, it would bob and hover |
| 18:22.28 | doughecka | ah, slick |
| 18:22.30 | Patlabor221 | if you made an 8 leged walker tank, you could make it walk. |
| 18:22.53 | doughecka | HMMMmmm |
| 18:23.00 | doughecka | that would be cool |
| 18:23.10 | doughecka | BZSPIDERS! |
| 18:23.15 | Patlabor221 | but somone would have to make the thing |
| 18:23.19 | Patlabor221 | and animate it |
| 18:23.31 | Patlabor221 | and texture it ( not at 800x600 ) |
| 18:23.50 | doughecka | hm |
| 18:24.02 | hoda | :| |
| 18:24.08 | doughecka | will there be support for model downloading? |
| 18:24.11 | hoda | sketyy TIIIMEEE! |
| 18:24.18 | Patlabor221 | pardon? |
| 18:24.26 | doughecka | so someone connects there model will download to everybody so they can see it |
| 18:24.31 | hoda | spaghetti |
| 18:24.35 | doughecka | a avatar |
| 18:24.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 18:24.46 | Patlabor221 | doug: there are issues with that |
| 18:24.51 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:24.59 | Patlabor221 | but yes I think eventualy there will be some form of auto load of assets |
| 18:25.04 | doughecka | transparent tanks... etc |
| 18:25.07 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:25.14 | Patlabor221 | I think they will need to be server approved assets |
| 18:25.25 | doughecka | skins? |
| 18:25.28 | Patlabor221 | I think initaly you will have to get the model manualy |
| 18:25.32 | doughecka | why not just simple skins? |
| 18:25.40 | Patlabor221 | each model can have n texture sets |
| 18:25.46 | doughecka | hm |
| 18:25.49 | hoda | modules instead of flags? |
| 18:25.58 | Patlabor221 | each texture set can have n texture passes for each mesh |
| 18:26.11 | Patlabor221 | hoda that may change gameplay too much |
| 18:26.12 | doughecka | hoda: wouldnt be bzFLAG then, now would it? |
| 18:26.23 | Patlabor221 | right now part of the game is not knowing what you pick up |
| 18:26.30 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:26.41 | doughecka | then that means Bad flags are useless |
| 18:26.45 | hoda | agreed sorry |
| 18:26.49 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:26.57 | Patlabor221 | but the flag model would be external so it would be easyer to play with and see if a difrent model would work better or worse |
| 18:26.58 | doughecka | patches welcome |
| 18:27.12 | Patlabor221 | I think boxes/crates would be an interesting thing to test. |
| 18:27.19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:27.31 | Patlabor221 | I do what to seperate the "item" flag from the CTF flag |
| 18:27.44 | Patlabor221 | even if they are both flags |
| 18:28.26 | doughecka | now I know the GM has a animation, right? |
| 18:28.34 | doughecka | cant there be animated bullets? |
| 18:28.50 | Patlabor221 | the GM has hardcoded anims |
| 18:29.00 | doughecka | oh? |
| 18:29.02 | Patlabor221 | shots are interesting |
| 18:29.09 | Patlabor221 | since they are all billboarded |
| 18:29.15 | doughecka | hm |
| 18:29.30 | Patlabor221 | I should add that as a mesh flag in the model format |
| 18:29.37 | hoda | arc? |
| 18:29.41 | Patlabor221 | or perhaps as part of a skin pass |
| 18:29.43 | hoda | arced shots? |
| 18:29.59 | Patlabor221 | the GM can arc it's shots |
| 18:30.05 | Patlabor221 | as it tracks to it's target |
| 18:30.17 | hoda | ahh |
| 18:30.24 | hoda | bullet gravity? |
| 18:30.30 | doughecka | no |
| 18:30.36 | doughecka | just as it flies along |
| 18:30.46 | Patlabor221 | since tim is agains a manual aim, I thing shot grav would be out |
| 18:30.55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:31.18 | Patlabor221 | I personaly don't think auto aim will work on non lazer shots tho |
| 18:31.38 | Patlabor221 | inability to lead the target will make it imposible to hit a moving target. |
| 18:31.46 | doughecka | *cough* laser cloud flag *cough* |
| 18:31.59 | Patlabor221 | that makes it worse doug |
| 18:32.00 | hoda | umm |
| 18:32.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:32.05 | Patlabor221 | and it adds nothing to game play |
| 18:32.08 | hoda | movable turrets? |
| 18:32.10 | doughecka | its pretty! |
| 18:32.13 | Patlabor221 | tim is against that |
| 18:32.14 | hoda | rotating turrets? |
| 18:32.16 | doughecka | hoda: nope, too hard |
| 18:32.24 | Patlabor221 | actualy it's not hard at all |
| 18:32.28 | doughecka | would need 2 players to be good |
| 18:32.33 | doughecka | I meant in game play |
| 18:32.34 | Patlabor221 | just makes the game more complex |
| 18:32.40 | Patlabor221 | and that is what he wants to avoid |
| 18:32.44 | hoda | flanking? |
| 18:32.47 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 18:32.52 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 18:32.55 | hoda | eating |
| 18:33.09 | hoda | rotating turrets=flanking |
| 18:33.10 | doughecka | a tank "broadside" |
| 18:33.34 | doughecka | you keep fireing at a tank while moving along with the tank |
| 18:33.47 | hoda | moving x shooting y |
| 18:34.05 | doughecka | yea, but that would be very icky |
| 18:34.08 | doughecka | in game play |
| 18:34.15 | hoda | uhh |
| 18:34.20 | Patlabor221 | not nesisaraly |
| 18:34.24 | Patlabor221 | but Tim is against it |
| 18:34.27 | hoda | man ive been playing the best tank game ever |
| 18:34.30 | hoda | bf1942 |
| 18:34.39 | Patlabor221 | it's a bit more then a tank game |
| 18:34.43 | hoda | blitzkrieg=best tank manuever |
| 18:34.47 | hoda | not for me :P |
| 18:34.48 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:34.48 | Patlabor221 | also took them 24 months to make |
| 18:34.52 | doughecka | but thats diferent |
| 18:34.54 | Patlabor221 | and about 35 guys |
| 18:34.57 | hoda | its also BUGGY AS HELL |
| 18:35.03 | doughecka | it has like 3 people in the tank |
| 18:35.03 | hoda | eheh |
| 18:35.04 | Patlabor221 | and about 4 million dolars |
| 18:35.10 | doughecka | one to drive, one to aim, one to command |
| 18:35.11 | hoda | i beleive that |
| 18:35.19 | Patlabor221 | how was dinner cap? |
| 18:35.30 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: good as can be expected |
| 18:36.18 | Patlabor221 | I remember the food at davis when I went to vist my ex |
| 18:36.22 | Patlabor221 | not so good |
| 18:36.35 | Patlabor221 | we went out OFTEN when I was there :) |
| 18:38.07 | doughecka | I go out with me, myself, and I |
| 18:38.42 | captain_proton | well, whatever you get your jollies from |
| 18:38.49 | Patlabor221 | keep doing that yu'll go blind. |
| 18:39.02 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:39.14 | hoda | and get hairy palms |
| 18:40.19 | Patlabor221 | bahhh |
| 18:40.33 | hoda | cs? |
| 18:40.44 | Patlabor221 | Coordinate System |
| 18:40.52 | hoda | i c |
| 18:40.59 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: slerp it :) |
| 18:41.11 | Patlabor221 | it's not like that cap |
| 18:41.21 | Patlabor221 | the math is done |
| 18:41.41 | Patlabor221 | it's just my output stuff is using the wrong CS to x-form the feature. |
| 18:41.56 | Patlabor221 | and we can't slerp it |
| 18:41.58 | captain_proton | what is it using? just swapped eulers? |
| 18:42.14 | Patlabor221 | no we have a matrix for each CS |
| 18:42.27 | captain_proton | (so eulers) |
| 18:42.37 | Patlabor221 | well we don't interp them |
| 18:42.47 | Patlabor221 | we just need the angles at the end points |
| 18:42.53 | Patlabor221 | the machines take eulers |
| 18:43.01 | captain_proton | good, i'd have to drive out there and kick you in the head if you were interping eulers |
| 18:43.11 | Patlabor221 | no we don't interp |
| 18:43.19 | Patlabor221 | well if we did, we would have to interp the angles |
| 18:43.28 | Patlabor221 | since that's what the CNC macines do |
| 18:43.37 | Patlabor221 | this isn't the game stuff |
| 18:43.41 | Patlabor221 | this is the CAM stuff |
| 18:44.17 | Patlabor221 | we just riped a big part of it a new one today |
| 18:44.30 | Patlabor221 | and running regresion tests on it |
| 18:44.35 | Patlabor221 | some stuff got broke. |
| 18:44.37 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 18:45.08 | Patlabor221 | this is the crap I have to deal with |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | :1 G0G17G70G90T1M6 |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | G0X-45.72Y25.4Z20.778S3000M3D1O0H3A0.B0.T2 |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | M8 |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | Z25.4 |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | G1Z0.F254. |
| 18:45.19 | Patlabor221 | X198.12F508. |
| 18:45.21 | Patlabor221 | G0Z25.4 |
| 18:45.23 | Patlabor221 | Z101.6M26 |
| 18:45.25 | Patlabor221 | (MSG, OPERATION 2: CONTOUR ) |
| 18:45.27 | Patlabor221 | (MSG, ROUGH FACE 2 ) |
| 18:45.29 | Patlabor221 | (MSG, TOOL 1: 3. FACE ENDMILL ) |
| 18:45.31 | Patlabor221 | (MSG, CS#4 - FACE 2 (75 PLANE) ) |
| 18:45.33 | Patlabor221 | (MSG, H4 = X0. Y-13.148 Z49.069 A-15. B0. ) |
| 18:45.35 | Patlabor221 | :2 G0G17G70G90 |
| 18:45.37 | Patlabor221 | G0X-45.72Y-25.4D1O0H4A0.B0. |
| 18:45.39 | Patlabor221 | Z52.531 |
| 18:45.41 | Patlabor221 | Z25.4 |
| 18:45.43 | Patlabor221 | G1Z0.F254. |
| 18:45.45 | Patlabor221 | X198.12F508. |
| 18:45.47 | Patlabor221 | G0Z25.4 |
| 18:45.49 | Patlabor221 | Z101.6M9 |
| 18:45.51 | Patlabor221 | M26 |
| 18:45.53 | Patlabor221 | G98.1X0.Y0.M5 |
| 18:45.55 | Patlabor221 | M1 |
| 18:45.56 | captain_proton | eww |
| 18:46.00 | captain_proton | stop the pain |
| 18:46.03 | hoda | that is cryptic |
| 18:46.09 | doughecka | indeed |
| 18:51.12 | bzdouggg | fiddle dee dee, thats odd |
| 18:52.20 | hoda | hey pat |
| 18:52.29 | hoda | whats up with your other game prjects? |
| 18:55.48 | captain_proton | is there any reason for LGE to create surfaces at color depths other than the default? |
| 18:56.19 | Patlabor221 | cap: yes the default may be desktop, and you may want another depth |
| 18:56.22 | Patlabor221 | liek 32 bit |
| 18:56.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:56.40 | Ime | Hi |
| 18:56.41 | captain_proton | which ones should i query? 8,16,24,32 sound good? |
| 18:56.44 | Patlabor221 | hoda: that would be that was is tenitabley named BZFlagXL |
| 18:56.49 | Patlabor221 | cap yeah |
| 18:56.57 | hoda | bzarena? |
| 18:56.58 | bzdouggg | hello |
| 18:56.59 | Patlabor221 | cap: hellI'd dtich 8 |
| 18:57.05 | bzdouggg | hoda: thats gone! |
| 18:57.18 | Patlabor221 | well more of an eveolution |
| 18:57.24 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 18:57.27 | Patlabor221 | parts of it live in XL |
| 18:57.32 | hoda | xl? |
| 18:57.42 | Patlabor221 | baflag but difrent |
| 18:57.50 | hoda | better???? |
| 18:58.00 | hoda | turret rotation? |
| 18:58.02 | Patlabor221 | depends on who you are |
| 18:58.05 | captain_proton | plus the default |
| 18:58.08 | Patlabor221 | that is one thing that will be evaulated. |
| 18:58.19 | hoda | is it the super mod basicly? |
| 18:58.30 | Patlabor221 | no it's not a "mod" |
| 18:58.31 | captain_proton | ...super mod? |
| 18:58.33 | hoda | or a dif game |
| 18:58.38 | Patlabor221 | it's an all new code base |
| 18:58.43 | hoda | its a dif concept |
| 18:58.52 | hoda | whats the concept |
| 18:58.52 | Patlabor221 | actualy parts of it are being incoproprated into bz proper. |
| 18:58.58 | Ime | will bzflag run with the Textmode thing on linux? |
| 18:58.58 | Patlabor221 | the concept is the same |
| 18:59.06 | hoda | flags |
| 18:59.11 | Patlabor221 | it's a new take on it tho |
| 18:59.13 | bzdouggg | textmode thing? |
| 18:59.20 | Patlabor221 | the ascii art thing |
| 18:59.23 | Patlabor221 | I think it should |
| 18:59.28 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 18:59.33 | Patlabor221 | but why? |
| 18:59.45 | Patlabor221 | I don't think I will be doing flags for items |
| 18:59.47 | Ime | for fun |
| 18:59.54 | hoda | is mdl md3 supported in bzxl? |
| 18:59.55 | Patlabor221 | I think I will have a "goodie" type thing |
| 19:00.08 | captain_proton | Ime: as it is, bzflag does not work in textmode |
| 19:00.10 | bzdouggg | as in it will pop up? |
| 19:00.16 | Patlabor221 | XL will read MD3, UT, obj, and A3d |
| 19:00.16 | Ime | ok |
| 19:00.24 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how they will spawn yet |
| 19:00.28 | bzdouggg | XL will read UT? |
| 19:00.29 | bzdouggg | how? |
| 19:00.29 | hoda | UT wjhats that unreal? |
| 19:00.32 | Patlabor221 | it needs specing |
| 19:00.32 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:00.44 | bzdouggg | I could load UT maps and play in them? |
| 19:00.49 | bzdouggg | cool |
| 19:00.52 | Patlabor221 | it will read unreal LOD mesh models. |
| 19:00.54 | Patlabor221 | maps nop |
| 19:00.55 | hoda | uhh |
| 19:00.59 | bzdouggg | oh |
| 19:01.01 | Patlabor221 | it has it's own map format |
| 19:01.01 | hoda | bsp? |
| 19:01.05 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:01.11 | hoda | uhh map? |
| 19:01.12 | Patlabor221 | grouped object list |
| 19:01.14 | hoda | .map |
| 19:01.16 | Patlabor221 | it's still outside |
| 19:01.20 | hoda | .map? |
| 19:01.23 | bzdouggg | ~lart Ime |
| 19:01.27 | hoda | like an ascii file? |
| 19:01.29 | Patlabor221 | the file extesnion is meaningless |
| 19:01.30 | Ime | ouch |
| 19:01.34 | Patlabor221 | they are text based yet |
| 19:01.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:01.37 | hoda | is it same as .map? |
| 19:01.43 | hoda | basicly |
| 19:01.47 | sussudio | if i send someone on bzflag a privmsg, does it go through the server or directly? |
| 19:01.48 | hoda | optimised script? |
| 19:01.50 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean by "map" |
| 19:02.01 | Patlabor221 | quake 2/3 map? |
| 19:02.05 | bzdouggg | server |
| 19:02.08 | Patlabor221 | or BZW map? |
| 19:02.13 | captain_proton | sussudio: privmsg meaning /msg? |
| 19:02.14 | bzdouggg | like a regular message. right? |
| 19:02.22 | sussudio | captain_proton : no, like , and . |
| 19:02.25 | hoda | q1 |
| 19:02.30 | hoda | map script |
| 19:02.31 | captain_proton | sussudio: ahh, server |
| 19:02.34 | sussudio | k |
| 19:02.35 | Patlabor221 | no it's not a bzp based world |
| 19:02.38 | bzdouggg | we need a /me on the bzflag server |
| 19:02.39 | captain_proton | right now everything goes through the server |
| 19:02.39 | Patlabor221 | just grouped objects |
| 19:02.46 | bzdouggg | and it should pop up in the center of the screen |
| 19:02.47 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: patches welcome ;-) |
| 19:03.13 | Patlabor221 | doug they have that now |
| 19:03.17 | Patlabor221 | it's called AIM |
| 19:03.18 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: i'll respect your opinions when you contribute |
| 19:03.29 | hoda | pay up foo |
| 19:03.31 | bzdouggg | I contribute maps |
| 19:03.38 | hoda | worfless |
| 19:03.40 | bzdouggg | really good ones too |
| 19:03.51 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: hahaha right, really good, thats what i think of |
| 19:03.54 | captain_proton | really |
| 19:03.55 | hoda | DATA man give them sume data |
| 19:04.08 | bzdouggg | uhuh |
| 19:04.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i think your setup wizard will handle doug |
| 19:04.14 | hoda | u know |
| 19:04.19 | Patlabor221 | that it will |
| 19:04.31 | bzdouggg | haha |
| 19:04.46 | hoda | you should design a pre-fab for maps |
| 19:04.56 | captain_proton | ...pre-fab? |
| 19:04.58 | hoda | a really cool building |
| 19:05.04 | Patlabor221 | well since right now you can only have 3 types of ojbects |
| 19:05.05 | hoda | whatever objects |
| 19:05.10 | bzdouggg | 3? |
| 19:05.11 | Patlabor221 | 3 |
| 19:05.12 | bzdouggg | whats the third? |
| 19:05.16 | Patlabor221 | TP |
| 19:05.19 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 19:05.29 | hoda | sqr, tri, trapezoid? |
| 19:05.32 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to hook it up and it can jsut sit there |
| 19:05.37 | Patlabor221 | box, pyramid and teleporter |
| 19:05.38 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 19:05.39 | Patlabor221 | that's IT |
| 19:05.42 | bzdouggg | haha |
| 19:05.43 | Patlabor221 | fixed textures too |
| 19:05.48 | bzdouggg | trapezoid... |
| 19:05.50 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 19:05.53 | hoda | uhh |
| 19:05.59 | bzdouggg | that would be cool lookin |
| 19:06.08 | Patlabor221 | hoda have you worked on quake mods? |
| 19:06.12 | hoda | no |
| 19:06.25 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 19:06.26 | hoda | ive worked with q2 source |
| 19:06.28 | bzdouggg | Patlabor221: have you? |
| 19:06.30 | hoda | a lil |
| 19:06.33 | Patlabor221 | doug: yes |
| 19:06.38 | bzdouggg | what did you make? |
| 19:06.42 | Patlabor221 | and some halflife ones |
| 19:06.46 | Patlabor221 | I did not "make" any |
| 19:06.47 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 19:06.50 | hoda | i couldnt understand or get q2 to compile |
| 19:06.59 | Patlabor221 | I made a version of Q1 that compiled as CPP files |
| 19:07.06 | hoda | uhhh |
| 19:07.08 | hoda | y |
| 19:07.17 | Patlabor221 | I did some wepon programing ofr a marathon half life mod |
| 19:07.23 | hoda | cool |
| 19:07.33 | Patlabor221 | and some tools work for it as well |
| 19:07.42 | hoda | software tools r great |
| 19:07.52 | Patlabor221 | but most mods are badly orginised so I left. |
| 19:08.00 | hoda | i guy on my team writes map generates for the genesis 3d engine |
| 19:08.07 | hoda | generators |
| 19:08.16 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 19:08.19 | hoda | his map prog is tight |
| 19:08.23 | hoda | butttttt |
| 19:08.26 | Patlabor221 | what one is it? |
| 19:08.41 | hoda | i havnt got a .map file out of it yet |
| 19:08.53 | hoda | it only makes g3d files or sumthin |
| 19:08.58 | Patlabor221 | the quake engines are crap |
| 19:09.09 | hoda | i havnt even asked him bout that yet |
| 19:09.09 | Patlabor221 | BSPs should have died with the software renderer |
| 19:09.18 | hoda | i hate the 3 perspective shit |
| 19:09.27 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 19:09.28 | hoda | bsp is ok |
| 19:09.36 | Patlabor221 | bsp is crap for large levels |
| 19:09.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what do you prefer? octrees? |
| 19:09.47 | Patlabor221 | it's pointless in a hardware enviroment |
| 19:09.49 | hoda | open spaces |
| 19:09.54 | Patlabor221 | portals |
| 19:09.57 | hoda | kills quake dead |
| 19:10.00 | Patlabor221 | it's all about portals!!!!! |
| 19:10.06 | hoda | i know that man |
| 19:10.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh i know...lets metacast everything :) |
| 19:10.21 | bzdouggg | cya |
| 19:10.23 | Patlabor221 | quakes BSP method splits the polys way too much |
| 19:10.31 | hoda | im just saying bsp blows for large open spaced enviroments |
| 19:10.36 | Patlabor221 | something like the metacaster is what newer techs are based on |
| 19:10.44 | hoda | and i love freedom |
| 19:10.45 | bzdouggg | hmmm |
| 19:10.49 | hoda | in games |
| 19:11.02 | Patlabor221 | bsps don't give you antying |
| 19:11.10 | Patlabor221 | they are just a data atructure to store polys in |
| 19:11.14 | hoda | uhh they usually work good for culling |
| 19:11.18 | hoda | tho |
| 19:11.29 | hoda | but ngines and hardware is awesome now |
| 19:11.30 | Patlabor221 | they split more polys then they cull |
| 19:11.36 | hoda | ahah |
| 19:11.47 | hoda | half-life is quake 1 |
| 19:11.52 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 19:11.54 | hoda | lamers |
| 19:11.59 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 19:12.04 | Patlabor221 | it started as q1 |
| 19:12.12 | Patlabor221 | got most of the code from q2 |
| 19:12.15 | Patlabor221 | and all there own stuff |
| 19:12.17 | hoda | people who only play cs and hl |
| 19:12.27 | Patlabor221 | it's actualy an impresive evolution of the engine. |
| 19:12.28 | hoda | so lame |
| 19:12.37 | Patlabor221 | hoda how old are you? |
| 19:12.41 | hoda | only considering it came from q1 |
| 19:12.44 | hoda | 22 |
| 19:12.57 | Patlabor221 | like I said they got the q2 source as it was made |
| 19:13.02 | hoda | q2=the bestest |
| 19:13.06 | Patlabor221 | that was part of there deal |
| 19:13.19 | hoda | yeah carmack fixed up theyre shit for em |
| 19:13.26 | Patlabor221 | actualy HL suports a lot more features then q2 |
| 19:13.32 | Patlabor221 | true color textures |
| 19:13.33 | hoda | it does look better |
| 19:13.44 | Patlabor221 | sekelital anims |
| 19:13.49 | hoda | q2 was so much fun as a game |
| 19:13.50 | Patlabor221 | better triggers |
| 19:13.51 | Patlabor221 | LOD |
| 19:13.52 | hoda | ohhh yeah |
| 19:14.00 | Patlabor221 | a game does not an engine make |
| 19:14.13 | hoda | i thought a game was to sell the engine |
| 19:14.23 | Patlabor221 | and yes John C did help them, as he does all tier 1 licenesees |
| 19:14.28 | hoda | or i thought thats what valve thought |
| 19:14.40 | Patlabor221 | have you ever played halflife? |
| 19:14.41 | hoda | lol a 1 day chat |
| 19:14.48 | hoda | for 500k |
| 19:14.48 | Patlabor221 | thing has a killer story |
| 19:14.53 | hoda | i play tfc |
| 19:14.54 | Patlabor221 | it was more then a day |
| 19:15.10 | hoda | i like the old skool tfc |
| 19:15.11 | Patlabor221 | mr. carmac is actualy a rather nice and easy to talk to guy. |
| 19:15.18 | hoda | i bet |
| 19:15.22 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 19:15.31 | hoda | if he gets along with trent reznor hes gotta be cool |
| 19:15.43 | Patlabor221 | now trent is a freak |
| 19:15.45 | hoda | yeah and he created the market |
| 19:15.54 | Patlabor221 | he was all jumpy when I meet him |
| 19:16.04 | Patlabor221 | but joph was cool |
| 19:16.17 | hoda | most hard-core coders are shady |
| 19:16.23 | captain_proton | shady? |
| 19:16.39 | Patlabor221 | well if they call themsevles "coders" then probably |
| 19:16.47 | Patlabor221 | we perfer the term deveoper |
| 19:16.47 | hoda | like anti-social in one way or another |
| 19:17.02 | Patlabor221 | I don't think I'm anti-social. |
| 19:17.04 | hoda | escapists |
| 19:17.19 | Patlabor221 | and I write software for a livving. |
| 19:17.58 | hoda | cool, im trying to learn how to write c++ |
| 19:18.11 | Patlabor221 | on what platform? |
| 19:18.15 | hoda | win32 |
| 19:18.20 | hoda | ofcourse |
| 19:18.26 | Patlabor221 | why of course? |
| 19:18.35 | Patlabor221 | MFC? |
| 19:18.43 | hoda | i suppose |
| 19:19.20 | hoda | i havnt gotten to writing code yet |
| 19:19.20 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 19:19.20 | hoda | i know what mfc is but not how to or not to use it |
| 19:19.20 | Patlabor221 | it's just a bunch of class librarys |
| 19:19.34 | Patlabor221 | and memory leaks |
| 19:19.39 | Patlabor221 | but it works |
| 19:19.42 | hoda | like i said id like a pro-coder on my team as atleast a consultant |
| 19:20.02 | hoda | im not looking forward to coding complex hardware api's |
| 19:20.02 | Patlabor221 | well then you may want to stop using the word coder |
| 19:20.15 | Patlabor221 | what hardware APIs? |
| 19:20.17 | hoda | dev'er? |
| 19:20.17 | captain_proton | who needs to write complex hardware apis? |
| 19:20.19 | hoda | for net |
| 19:20.28 | hoda | or sound or input |
| 19:20.35 | Patlabor221 | you mean directX? |
| 19:20.43 | hoda | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:20.49 | hoda | directinput |
| 19:20.54 | hoda | is the easiest way |
| 19:20.56 | captain_proton | umm |
| 19:20.59 | Patlabor221 | direct inoput is part of DirectX |
| 19:21.14 | Patlabor221 | DX is all of the libs together |
| 19:21.23 | hoda | yeah i got the sdk |
| 19:21.29 | hoda | 8.1 |
| 19:21.30 | Patlabor221 | and dsound is decnelty implemented after dx7 |
| 19:21.37 | Patlabor221 | d input is cake |
| 19:21.47 | Patlabor221 | d3d is a bit overly complex |
| 19:21.52 | Patlabor221 | but it's geting better |
| 19:21.56 | hoda | lol everything b4 dx6=shit |
| 19:21.59 | hoda | rofl |
| 19:22.06 | captain_proton | the only redeeming part about d3d is texture handling |
| 19:22.24 | Patlabor221 | and it's support for new technologies sooner |
| 19:22.30 | hoda | MICROSOFT RELEASES NEW GRAPHICS LIBRARY OPEND3D |
| 19:22.40 | Patlabor221 | imidate mode can be used efectilby |
| 19:22.51 | Patlabor221 | it was the execute buffers that killed it. |
| 19:22.57 | hoda | d3d is all bout pixels |
| 19:23.04 | hoda | ogl is all bout the gpu |
| 19:23.14 | hoda | smoking tri's |
| 19:23.16 | Patlabor221 | both can use hardware gpus just fine |
| 19:23.20 | hoda | yeah |
| 19:23.26 | hoda | but d3d is a cpu whore |
| 19:23.31 | Patlabor221 | gl has it's fragments |
| 19:23.34 | hoda | for some reason |
| 19:23.37 | hoda | oh yes |
| 19:23.47 | hoda | ogl=generic |
| 19:23.47 | Patlabor221 | if you use the simple utill functions sure |
| 19:23.55 | Patlabor221 | theya re akin to glut and glu |
| 19:24.03 | Patlabor221 | you don't use them for performacnce |
| 19:24.17 | hoda | yeah, im not looking forward to touching that stuff too much |
| 19:24.23 | hoda | :/ |
| 19:24.52 | hoda | torque has an awesome script system |
| 19:25.08 | hoda | you dont touch the renderer shit |
| 19:25.11 | hoda | scripting |
| 19:25.27 | hoda | but ill prolly start there and get the script sys all figured out |
| 19:25.34 | Patlabor221 | then you can never get true power out of it |
| 19:25.37 | hoda | see what its limits are |
| 19:25.43 | Patlabor221 | are they interpeted? |
| 19:25.47 | hoda | well i need to use that as much as possible |
| 19:25.49 | Patlabor221 | or compiled? |
| 19:25.50 | hoda | yeah |
| 19:25.54 | hoda | compiled |
| 19:26.07 | Patlabor221 | by the engine? |
| 19:26.10 | hoda | yup |
| 19:26.10 | Patlabor221 | or by a compiler? |
| 19:26.15 | hoda | hmm |
| 19:26.16 | Patlabor221 | so it's VM code |
| 19:26.17 | hoda | i wonder |
| 19:26.23 | Patlabor221 | same thing C# does |
| 19:26.28 | Patlabor221 | still has an execution layer |
| 19:26.32 | hoda | it is like c |
| 19:26.38 | Patlabor221 | will allways be slower then real compile machine code. |
| 19:26.39 | hoda | alot like C |
| 19:26.42 | Patlabor221 | it may look like it |
| 19:26.52 | hoda | im not sure |
| 19:26.55 | hoda | i used t2 |
| 19:26.59 | hoda | not torque |
| 19:26.59 | Patlabor221 | but if the engine compiles it' it's VM code not processor code. |
| 19:27.09 | Patlabor221 | I know there scrip system |
| 19:27.14 | Patlabor221 | it's pasable |
| 19:27.19 | Patlabor221 | better then many others |
| 19:27.21 | hoda | i donno whats changed for torque |
| 19:27.25 | hoda | tho |
| 19:27.28 | Patlabor221 | realy just the name |
| 19:27.33 | Patlabor221 | and some little stuff |
| 19:27.36 | hoda | huh |
| 19:27.37 | Patlabor221 | like oog suport |
| 19:27.40 | captain_proton | hmm we should consider scripting at some point |
| 19:27.40 | hoda | ohhh |
| 19:27.55 | Patlabor221 | yes we sould |
| 19:27.56 | hoda | i loved scripting, for t2 |
| 19:27.58 | bzdouggg | for? |
| 19:28.12 | Patlabor221 | stuff |
| 19:28.18 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 19:28.20 | hoda | i know a guy who just wrote a script interpreter |
| 19:28.21 | bzdouggg | "stuff" |
| 19:28.24 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know if it would be vialble to go all scriping like unreal did. |
| 19:28.30 | captain_proton | probably not |
| 19:28.31 | hoda | uhh |
| 19:28.36 | hoda | server side mods? |
| 19:28.37 | bzdouggg | well, scripting for bots? |
| 19:28.40 | captain_proton | but we could move some game logic into it |
| 19:28.44 | captain_proton | and some server stuff |
| 19:28.47 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:28.49 | Patlabor221 | and anims |
| 19:28.50 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 19:28.55 | captain_proton | probably either perl or python |
| 19:29.00 | hoda | anim scripts are nice |
| 19:29.04 | hoda | python is cool |
| 19:29.05 | captain_proton | perhaps tcl |
| 19:29.05 | bzdouggg | python |
| 19:29.09 | Patlabor221 | I hear python is nice to hook into c |
| 19:29.10 | bzdouggg | python is cool |
| 19:29.22 | captain_proton | all 3 of those are pretty nice hooking into c |
| 19:29.32 | Patlabor221 | I didn't like TCL |
| 19:29.34 | hoda | i was considering integrating python into torque |
| 19:29.43 | Patlabor221 | how hoda? |
| 19:29.56 | hoda | ive never coded anything yet |
| 19:29.59 | hoda | :( |
| 19:30.12 | hoda | for some expandable scripts? |
| 19:31.06 | Patlabor221 | well that's enough toolpath coordinate maping for today. |
| 19:31.14 | hoda | :| |
| 19:31.28 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you should write a viewport/camera manager :) |
| 19:31.30 | hoda | man isnt ther a software interface? |
| 19:31.39 | hoda | yeah |
| 19:31.45 | hoda | with ogl camera |
| 19:31.50 | Patlabor221 | cap: once I finish the model class. |
| 19:32.06 | Patlabor221 | hoda: gl dosnt' have camers. |
| 19:32.24 | hoda | no but it can define a surface |
| 19:32.25 | Patlabor221 | cap: I am almost done with the skin thing, then I can do something else |
| 19:32.26 | sussudio | <sussudio> asuffield : are there any good docs available for blootbot |
| 19:32.27 | sussudio | anywhere? |
| 19:32.27 | sussudio | [03:33] <asuffield> sussudio: no |
| 19:32.29 | hoda | and then render it |
| 19:32.32 | sussudio | he wrote the thing |
| 19:32.44 | Patlabor221 | hoda: yes but that is render to a texture, it's slow |
| 19:33.00 | Patlabor221 | we are talking about viewport definintions in the frame buffer. |
| 19:33.08 | bzdouggg | sussudio: yes there is |
| 19:33.13 | bzdouggg | its called "help" |
| 19:33.15 | captain_proton | specifically, chopping up the viewport |
| 19:33.17 | bzdouggg | ~help |
| 19:33.19 | bzdouggg | see? |
| 19:33.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:33.29 | sussudio | ~lart bzdouggg |
| 19:33.47 | bzdouggg | ~lart sussudio |
| 19:34.01 | Patlabor221 | cap have I told you how much I realy love subversion |
| 19:34.06 | Patlabor221 | except for 1 thing |
| 19:34.11 | captain_proton | would be nice to specify 3 different camera types: normal, overlay, and quat |
| 19:34.35 | Patlabor221 | overlay? like PIP? or like my overlay ortho mode? |
| 19:34.43 | captain_proton | overlay ortho mode |
| 19:34.52 | hoda | hey pat can rhino 3d export to obj? |
| 19:34.54 | Patlabor221 | for UI and stuff |
| 19:35.00 | Patlabor221 | hoda I think it can. |
| 19:35.10 | hoda | er im gonna check |
| 19:35.11 | captain_proton | perhaps also select between pixel coordinates and [0,1] mapping |
| 19:35.54 | Patlabor221 | that means I would have to add quat funcs to the 3d utils. |
| 19:36.20 | captain_proton | yes it does :) |
| 19:36.29 | captain_proton | quat cameras aren't important for now |
| 19:36.38 | Patlabor221 | I know the basics of what they are and do |
| 19:36.41 | Patlabor221 | but.... |
| 19:37.16 | Patlabor221 | so basicly you want to be able to take a camera and define it's screen viewport, it's FOV, and then have it set and reset the gl state, right? |
| 19:38.07 | captain_proton | yep |
| 19:38.22 | captain_proton | store it as a map<string, viewport> |
| 19:38.42 | Patlabor221 | but I can try |
| 19:38.56 | captain_proton | then when you select one, it sets up the viewport, scissor, projection and modelview matrices |
| 19:39.29 | Patlabor221 | I'll make it a class and have it managed by the LGEEngine class |
| 19:41.22 | bzdouggg | 33 min remaining |
| 19:41.32 | Patlabor221 | what are you geting doug? |
| 19:41.37 | Patlabor221 | the leaked doom 3 demo? |
| 19:41.39 | sussudio | cow pr0n |
| 19:41.39 | hoda | hey |
| 19:41.40 | bzdouggg | no |
| 19:41.47 | bzdouggg | a 3d proggy |
| 19:41.47 | hoda | pat |
| 19:41.51 | Patlabor221 | aka 306 megs of lezbians :) |
| 19:41.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:41.57 | sussudio | 3d m00cow |
| 19:41.59 | hoda | does this look like its compatable |
| 19:42.03 | hoda | Object1 |
| 19:42.03 | hoda | -7.057239 -2.639731 0.000000 -7.057239 -0.430976 0.000000 -4.740741 -2.639731 0.000000 |
| 19:42.03 | hoda | -4.740741 -2.639731 0.000000 -2.424242 -0.430976 0.000000 -2.424242 -2.639731 0.000000 |
| 19:42.03 | hoda | -2.424242 -0.430976 0.000000 -4.740741 1.777778 0.000000 -2.424242 1.777778 0.000000 |
| 19:42.11 | Patlabor221 | that's an STL file |
| 19:42.13 | bzdouggg | ick its all numbers |
| 19:42.17 | hoda | yes |
| 19:42.20 | bzdouggg | 3dmax |
| 19:42.23 | sussudio | numbered cows? |
| 19:42.30 | Patlabor221 | STL is not good |
| 19:42.37 | hoda | each # coresponds to a cow in finland |
| 19:42.38 | Patlabor221 | no vertex normals |
| 19:42.39 | Patlabor221 | no colors |
| 19:42.40 | bzdouggg | 523 meg 3d proggy |
| 19:42.47 | Patlabor221 | no UVs |
| 19:42.52 | hoda | POV? |
| 19:43.00 | sussudio | i dont think there's that many cows in finland |
| 19:43.02 | hoda | is there any way to output this tank? |
| 19:43.11 | Patlabor221 | it's a format for making real life "sterio litography models" |
| 19:43.13 | hoda | model |
| 19:43.24 | bzdouggg | sussudio: you would know, being there and all |
| 19:43.24 | Patlabor221 | I can read the 3ds |
| 19:43.28 | hoda | i figured it was for some ghetto tool |
| 19:43.38 | hoda | oh really its legible? |
| 19:43.40 | sussudio | doug you dumbass |
| 19:43.40 | Patlabor221 | no STL is for machining |
| 19:44.04 | Patlabor221 | our cad software can make thime |
| 19:44.08 | Patlabor221 | them |
| 19:44.19 | Patlabor221 | 3ds is realy a simple format |
| 19:44.25 | Patlabor221 | just a bunch of data chunks |
| 19:44.31 | Patlabor221 | milkshape can read it |
| 19:44.37 | hoda | er |
| 19:44.45 | hoda | i wanna put it in the game now kinda |
| 19:44.49 | hoda | or soon |
| 19:44.55 | Patlabor221 | now is imposible |
| 19:44.57 | hoda | im a get it done kinda guy |
| 19:44.59 | hoda | damn |
| 19:45.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not impossible |
| 19:45.15 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 19:45.15 | Patlabor221 | unlees you code it up manualy as GL commoands |
| 19:45.16 | hoda | :D |
| 19:45.20 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 19:45.21 | hoda | ok |
| 19:45.25 | Patlabor221 | but for him hard |
| 19:45.28 | hoda | that sounds possible |
| 19:45.35 | hoda | glvertex? |
| 19:45.41 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 19:45.47 | hoda | uhh thats not hard |
| 19:45.48 | Patlabor221 | trips and and fans |
| 19:45.49 | captain_proton | you'd have to write a new incarnation of the TankSceneNode |
| 19:45.57 | hoda | uhh |
| 19:46.04 | hoda | that sounds hard |
| 19:46.07 | Patlabor221 | or break it into the 5 chunks of the existing model |
| 19:46.13 | hoda | i can do that |
| 19:46.20 | hoda | and make them all parametric |
| 19:46.26 | hoda | yes |
| 19:46.35 | Patlabor221 | I don't think the tank's parametric |
| 19:46.38 | hoda | but back to ogl shpe defining |
| 19:46.39 | Patlabor221 | it's just a simple scale |
| 19:47.00 | hoda | is there no way i can dump or output that data? |
| 19:47.01 | sussudio | grm |
| 19:47.08 | sussudio | i could really do with an admin pass for jzaun |
| 19:47.14 | sussudio | damn tk bastards |
| 19:47.25 | Patlabor221 | a poogram called crossroads can make OpenGL c code. |
| 19:47.39 | hoda | crossroads can output a mesh to ogl c? |
| 19:47.39 | Patlabor221 | you will also need to make sure the new tank is the same size as the old one |
| 19:47.52 | hoda | ahh what are the normal numbers? |
| 19:47.53 | Patlabor221 | that's one of it's features |
| 19:47.59 | hoda | scale? |
| 19:48.01 | hoda | i c ic |
| 19:48.02 | Patlabor221 | those are vertex nomrals |
| 19:48.06 | hoda | right |
| 19:48.09 | hoda | i knew that |
| 19:48.23 | captain_proton | dalnet is being grumpy |
| 19:48.29 | hoda | anywys so i break it up scale it and export to ogl c? |
| 19:48.33 | Patlabor221 | and you will have to redo the texture to be powerof x in eahc axis |
| 19:48.43 | Patlabor221 | then get the source for BZ |
| 19:48.47 | hoda | power of x? |
| 19:48.47 | Patlabor221 | replace the code |
| 19:48.54 | hoda | ok ok ok |
| 19:48.54 | Patlabor221 | power of 2 |
| 19:49.00 | Patlabor221 | then build a client |
| 19:49.03 | hoda | uhh wait |
| 19:49.06 | hoda | wait |
| 19:49.21 | hoda | why dont you do the client build please |
| 19:49.31 | hoda | cus i have probs compiling |
| 19:49.39 | Patlabor221 | what kind of probmes? |
| 19:49.41 | captain_proton | problems? |
| 19:49.46 | hoda | and i think youll need to error check it anyways |
| 19:49.59 | Patlabor221 | oh and you have to get the texture into RGB format |
| 19:50.12 | hoda | yeah i dunno if i just dont have the right libraries all the time or if i got my settings wrong |
| 19:50.18 | hoda | easy |
| 19:50.21 | hoda | all easy |
| 19:50.27 | hoda | cept building :/ |
| 19:50.53 | hoda | im gonna get cross roads and break her up |
| 19:51.12 | Patlabor221 | bz 1.7 dosn't use any external libs that don't come with VC |
| 19:51.36 | hoda | oh really |
| 19:51.42 | Patlabor221 | realy |
| 19:51.47 | hoda | thats cool |
| 19:51.59 | hoda | still i dont know if msvc is installed |
| 19:52.02 | hoda | :P |
| 19:52.06 | hoda | on this machine |
| 19:52.12 | Patlabor221 | vc 6 has a set of dx 3.0 build libs it ships with |
| 19:52.16 | Patlabor221 | and that's all you need |
| 19:52.19 | hoda | ahh |
| 19:52.22 | hoda | that helps |
| 19:52.40 | hoda | im not too smart at c++ or msvc so i dont know if i got it configed right |
| 19:52.45 | Patlabor221 | well lets see if I can get home in under 5 min today |
| 19:52.59 | Patlabor221 | in bz the DSW and DSP's have it all configured allready |
| 19:53.09 | Patlabor221 | it would build on a default install of VC |
| 19:53.13 | hoda | uhh where do i get crossroads |
| 19:53.23 | hoda | google? |
| 19:53.29 | Patlabor221 | search for it on google I foreget where |
| 19:53.32 | Patlabor221 | doug may know |
| 19:54.15 | hoda | um is this going to require writing out this stuff by hand or editing it? |
| 19:54.25 | hoda | or does crossroads clean it all up |
| 19:54.43 | hoda | what has to be a power of 2 |
| 19:54.58 | captain_proton | the size of the texture |
| 19:54.58 | hoda | the tex axis? |
| 19:55.02 | hoda | ohhh |
| 19:55.07 | hoda | yeah duh |
| 19:55.22 | hoda | but wait, where is that def'ed? |
| 19:55.28 | hoda | in the c file? |
| 19:55.45 | hoda | does is seperate the vertices and tex coords? |
| 19:55.59 | captain_proton | its not |
| 19:56.04 | captain_proton | the size of the texture in pixels |
| 19:56.10 | captain_proton | ie not 800x600, but 512x512 |
| 19:56.23 | hoda | ohhh |
| 19:56.27 | hoda | shit |
| 19:56.42 | hoda | thats not complex |
| 19:57.10 | hoda | crossroads 3d |
| 19:59.21 | hoda | Sometimes the scale of the emitted model is incorrect. |
| 19:59.58 | Patlabor2221 | damnit I didn't log off Did I? |
| 20:00.37 | bzdouggg | may know what? |
| 20:00.54 | PatLabor221 | where to get crossroads |
| 20:01.05 | PatLabor221 | hota would like to use it |
| 20:01.10 | PatLabor221 | hail dents cars |
| 20:01.12 | bzdouggg | http://home.europa.com/~keithr/crossroads/ |
| 20:01.22 | hoda | i got it installed already |
| 20:01.25 | bzdouggg | I fix dented cars |
| 20:01.27 | PatLabor221 | when you live in a semi-arid desert then rain is good |
| 20:01.30 | bzdouggg | :P |
| 20:01.35 | bzdouggg | true... |
| 20:01.36 | PatLabor221 | ahh that's good hoda |
| 20:01.40 | hoda | im ready to do this man |
| 20:01.42 | PatLabor221 | I didn't log off at work aperantly |
| 20:01.50 | captain_proton | crapppppp |
| 20:01.51 | PatLabor221 | so I don't know if you said anything while I was going home |
| 20:01.51 | bzdouggg | hah |
| 20:01.54 | PatLabor221 | crap? |
| 20:02.00 | PatLabor221 | cap crap? |
| 20:02.07 | hoda | OK |
| 20:02.17 | bzdouggg | hoda: it exports povray too |
| 20:02.17 | hoda | i have exported the body |
| 20:02.19 | captain_proton | the scene renderer is interwoven with the window stuff |
| 20:02.21 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 20:02.28 | PatLabor221 | it expodts lots of things |
| 20:02.38 | PatLabor221 | cap: ohhh no |
| 20:02.44 | bzdouggg | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/povray/ |
| 20:02.47 | PatLabor221 | cap: it needs to be riped |
| 20:03.06 | bzdouggg | heh |
| 20:03.14 | bzdouggg | 10 min remaing |
| 20:03.30 | PatLabor221 | doug what app are you geting? max? from cell? |
| 20:03.35 | bzdouggg | a yup |
| 20:03.46 | PatLabor221 | then welcome to dialog hell |
| 20:03.50 | bzdouggg | oh? |
| 20:03.51 | bzdouggg | why? |
| 20:04.21 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: i'm gonna need some new coding music to do this |
| 20:04.38 | hoda | shes open in crossroads |
| 20:04.41 | PatLabor221 | he didn't get it in |
| 20:04.46 | bzdouggg | ? |
| 20:04.49 | PatLabor221 | I called the cart today |
| 20:04.59 | PatLabor221 | he may have them tomorow |
| 20:05.05 | hoda | ok now what should these numbers be for scale? |
| 20:05.21 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: anything else you have? instrumental/vocal with a beat? |
| 20:05.27 | PatLabor221 | a tank is 2.08 high 2.8 wide and 4 long I think |
| 20:05.38 | hoda | units? |
| 20:05.43 | bzdouggg | yes |
| 20:05.44 | hoda | 3dsmax4 units? |
| 20:05.50 | bzdouggg | bzunits |
| 20:05.50 | captain_proton | just units |
| 20:05.51 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 20:05.52 | PatLabor221 | a unit is a unit |
| 20:05.54 | hoda | lol |
| 20:06.00 | hoda | bzunits then |
| 20:06.09 | PatLabor221 | any units |
| 20:06.24 | bzdouggg | PatLabor221: why dialog hell? |
| 20:06.31 | PatLabor221 | it's max |
| 20:06.37 | bzdouggg | and.... |
| 20:07.27 | hoda | uhh |
| 20:07.31 | hoda | max is soo gay |
| 20:07.41 | hoda | it wont let me define its xyz |
| 20:07.44 | PatLabor221 | dialogs that are soo large that they have to scrol |
| 20:07.44 | hoda | manualy |
| 20:07.49 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 20:07.51 | PatLabor221 | what do you mean XYZ? |
| 20:07.56 | hoda | whl |
| 20:07.59 | bzdouggg | at least its better than milkshape |
| 20:08.00 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 20:08.01 | PatLabor221 | crosrads is just a converter |
| 20:08.08 | PatLabor221 | it is more powerfull |
| 20:08.23 | PatLabor221 | milkshape is targeted at a difrent market |
| 20:08.36 | PatLabor221 | for $20 milkshape kicks |
| 20:08.38 | hoda | ok |
| 20:08.41 | hoda | how bout this |
| 20:08.48 | hoda | can i approximate? |
| 20:08.55 | hoda | by overlaying a cube? |
| 20:09.02 | hoda | of proper dimensions |
| 20:09.11 | hoda | or does this need to be accurate |
| 20:09.44 | PatLabor221 | depends on how good you want it to be? |
| 20:10.17 | PatLabor221 | computers only do what you tell them to do |
| 20:11.02 | hoda | right |
| 20:11.03 | hoda | er |
| 20:11.07 | hoda | max3d is a beast |
| 20:11.56 | PatLabor221 | yes but it does a lot |
| 20:12.00 | PatLabor221 | I perfer lightwave |
| 20:12.08 | PatLabor221 | but I don't do much in the lines of prerendering |
| 20:12.19 | PatLabor221 | so I don't know how it stands up in that arena |
| 20:12.39 | PatLabor221 | max is the defacto standard for most 3d production work |
| 20:13.01 | hoda | yes for public eyes |
| 20:13.15 | PatLabor221 | myia is staring to take hold |
| 20:13.21 | PatLabor221 | softimage is waining |
| 20:13.26 | PatLabor221 | at least in the PC market |
| 20:13.40 | PatLabor221 | rhino is a CAD package |
| 20:13.44 | hoda | miya is something id like to work eith |
| 20:13.49 | hoda | rhino works |
| 20:14.11 | PatLabor221 | yes but it is not designed for character animation and the likes |
| 20:14.20 | PatLabor221 | it's more of a techincal product |
| 20:14.28 | PatLabor221 | we own a copy so I've used it |
| 20:14.37 | PatLabor221 | it's nice for format translations |
| 20:15.25 | hoda | lol hell no |
| 20:15.26 | PatLabor221 | it's nice spline based surface modeler too |
| 20:15.30 | hoda | yes |
| 20:15.41 | hoda | i used it to work with at first |
| 20:15.42 | captain_proton | yukyuk |
| 20:15.42 | captain_proton | all the stereo stuff is still hardcoded in 1.7 :P |
| 20:15.45 | PatLabor221 | but it dosn't do materials very well |
| 20:16.12 | PatLabor221 | rhino read in a good iges and ACIS file |
| 20:16.23 | PatLabor221 | wrote good ones too |
| 20:16.32 | PatLabor221 | didn't realy like there low poly tools |
| 20:16.41 | PatLabor221 | but they may have added more in 2.0 |
| 20:16.45 | captain_proton | ugg |
| 20:16.48 | PatLabor221 | the interface was well done too |
| 20:16.49 | captain_proton | its passing a global variable around |
| 20:17.21 | PatLabor221 | I'm telling you cap, it may be easyer to just start over |
| 20:17.44 | hoda | aww man |
| 20:17.52 | hoda | 3dsmax is impossible |
| 20:18.14 | captain_proton | this code is so dirty it ought to wear fishnet stockings |
| 20:18.33 | PatLabor221 | sounds like our legacy crap |
| 20:18.36 | bzdouggg | that would help you in what way? |
| 20:18.40 | PatLabor221 | ohh cap you'll love this |
| 20:18.58 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: there's a lot of stuff here. rewrite would take a long time, might as well just clean up what we got |
| 20:19.00 | PatLabor221 | we are now calling MFC from our faked out Mac API |
| 20:19.08 | captain_proton | eww |
| 20:19.11 | PatLabor221 | I know |
| 20:19.12 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 20:19.24 | PatLabor221 | 4 layers to the hardware |
| 20:19.48 | PatLabor221 | but it's better then drawing it ourself like we used to do. |
| 20:20.00 | bzdouggg | ~code |
| 20:20.00 | | well, code is relatively stable right now, and I think we're going to see lots of changes |
| 20:20.03 | PatLabor221 | we would draw our own windows and dialogs |
| 20:20.15 | hoda | yay |
| 20:20.18 | hoda | i got it |
| 20:20.18 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 20:20.38 | bzdouggg | sheesh, 3dsmax includes tons of useless stuff with it |
| 20:20.50 | bzdouggg | IE6 |
| 20:20.50 | PatLabor221 | useless to you |
| 20:20.56 | PatLabor221 | it needs that to run |
| 20:21.03 | bzdouggg | who doesnt have that? |
| 20:21.04 | PatLabor221 | it uses rebars |
| 20:21.08 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 20:21.20 | PatLabor221 | people on NT, 98 200, 95, and me |
| 20:21.27 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 20:21.36 | PatLabor221 | 2k didn't ship with 6 it shiped with 5 |
| 20:21.44 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 20:21.55 | bzdouggg | but EVERYBODY upgrades? riiiight? |
| 20:21.58 | bzdouggg | (noooo) |
| 20:22.04 | PatLabor221 | actualy noone upgrades |
| 20:22.05 | PatLabor221 | every |
| 20:22.08 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 20:22.14 | PatLabor221 | humans are cattle on averate. |
| 20:22.24 | bzdouggg | avarate? |
| 20:22.29 | PatLabor221 | average |
| 20:22.34 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 20:22.45 | sussudio | averate: a cross between a cow and a ferret |
| 20:22.53 | bzdouggg | :_) |
| 20:22.55 | PatLabor221 | furreys |
| 20:22.59 | hoda | x=2.797??????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 20:23.00 | PatLabor221 | I think it's free |
| 20:23.05 | bzdouggg | ok |
| 20:23.15 | hoda | x=2.797? |
| 20:23.18 | PatLabor221 | that's a rather precise number |
| 20:23.26 | hoda | think thatll fly? |
| 20:23.38 | PatLabor221 | depends on what it is |
| 20:23.41 | PatLabor221 | a number is a number |
| 20:23.42 | hoda | body? |
| 20:23.50 | hoda | x dimension of tank body |
| 20:23.51 | PatLabor221 | is that a vertex? |
| 20:23.56 | hoda | its the width |
| 20:24.02 | hoda | of the mesh boundries |
| 20:24.06 | PatLabor221 | ahhh |
| 20:24.08 | hoda | on the x axis |
| 20:24.10 | bzdouggg | furreys in the fur genorator? |
| 20:24.12 | PatLabor221 | that is close to the current tank |
| 20:24.24 | PatLabor221 | furREYS is one of them doug |
| 20:24.32 | PatLabor221 | it's all part of the metaREYS stuff |
| 20:24.35 | hoda | you dont think that .003 will screw it up? |
| 20:24.40 | PatLabor221 | no |
| 20:24.42 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 20:24.46 | PatLabor221 | it's just drawing commands |
| 20:24.59 | PatLabor221 | no number can "screw it up" |
| 20:25.09 | PatLabor221 | just if it's too big it'll look bad. |
| 20:26.40 | hoda | yay |
| 20:26.47 | hoda | ok shes scaled unit wise |
| 20:26.54 | hoda | export import export time? |
| 20:27.44 | PatLabor221 | you broke it into the 5 parts? |
| 20:28.20 | hoda | no |
| 20:32.42 | PatLabor221 | won't go in current code unless it's in those 5 parts |
| 20:32.43 | bzdouggg | hi hoda fignuts |
| 20:32.49 | fignuts | fignuts |
| 20:32.49 | fignuts | anyways |
| 20:32.49 | fignuts | ill make new parts |
| 20:32.49 | fignuts | treads are easy |
| 20:32.50 | fignuts | whats ther scales? |
| 20:32.50 | PatLabor221 | same as the entire tank |
| 20:32.50 | PatLabor221 | they aren't scaled difrnetly |
| 20:32.50 | fignuts | relative |
| 20:32.50 | PatLabor221 | what ever you want them to be I guess |
| 20:35.14 | bzdouggg | only a one? |
| 20:35.14 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 20:35.14 | PatLabor221 | whooot 3d boobies!!!!!!! |
| 20:35.14 | PatLabor221 | 1 is best |
| 20:35.14 | PatLabor221 | 5 was worst |
| 20:35.14 | bzdouggg | yea yea... ;) |
| 20:35.21 | PatLabor221 | the interface looks fine |
| 20:35.37 | bzdouggg | yea, one that game |
| 20:35.47 | bzdouggg | UT2k3 is pretty cool too |
| 20:38.52 | captain_proton | src/platform has sapped my will to live |
| 20:39.04 | sussudio | is that a feature? |
| 20:39.30 | PatLabor221 | kill it!!! |
| 20:40.27 | PatLabor221 | wow UT looks TIGHT!!!! with this stuff |
| 20:41.31 | fignuts | uhh treads are done |
| 20:46.14 | PatLabor221 | like that I see |
| 20:46.45 | PatLabor221 | ok so ortho mode = bad for 3 glasses |
| 20:48.00 | iibot | ortho mode? |
| 20:48.20 | PatLabor221 | yes ortho mode |
| 20:49.37 | fignuts | k shes all ready for exportation into ogl vertex list |
| 20:49.53 | PatLabor221 | let me see a sample of the code |
| 20:52.15 | PatLabor221 | well other then not being able to see the UI, XL works just fine :) |
| 20:52.35 | PatLabor221 | with sterio glasses that is |
| 20:53.30 | captain_proton | it sounds like the shutter glasses are being faked |
| 20:53.41 | PatLabor221 | if it is |
| 20:53.45 | captain_proton | like it just pulls the scene into parts instead of really doing separate frames for eyes |
| 20:53.46 | PatLabor221 | then hell it's a good fake |
| 20:54.03 | PatLabor221 | I think it acualy tweaks the GL view matrix a bit |
| 20:54.07 | PatLabor221 | for each frame |
| 20:54.22 | PatLabor221 | so that you are redering from each eye |
| 20:54.24 | captain_proton | it should be an api specification |
| 20:54.25 | PatLabor221 | you just don't know you are |
| 20:54.38 | PatLabor221 | as soon as I went full screen I got it in XL |
| 20:54.40 | captain_proton | so it knows what to tweak and what not to |
| 20:54.51 | PatLabor221 | bzflag craps out |
| 20:55.05 | PatLabor221 | the driver has seperation values for the glasses |
| 20:55.17 | PatLabor221 | I think they are trying to make all apps have universal settings |
| 20:55.33 | PatLabor221 | it realy looks decent tho |
| 20:55.37 | PatLabor221 | a bit of a flicker |
| 20:55.52 | PatLabor221 | but on fast scenes you don't notice it |
| 20:56.02 | PatLabor221 | and they were $30 so I can't complain. |
| 20:56.43 | PatLabor221 | ok I can complain |
| 20:56.48 | PatLabor221 | but then I sould be doug |
| 20:57.04 | fignuts | err |
| 20:57.16 | PatLabor221 | brb gota take out the trash |
| 20:57.39 | scanline | so, so you think you can tell |
| 20:57.41 | scanline | heaven from hell |
| 20:57.44 | scanline | blue skies from pain |
| 20:57.53 | scanline | can you tell a green field, from a cold steel rail |
| 20:57.56 | scanline | a smile from a vail |
| 20:58.01 | scanline | do you think you can tell |
| 20:58.11 | scanline | did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? |
| 20:58.13 | scanline | hot ashes for trees? |
| 20:58.19 | scanline | hot air for a cool breeze? |
| 20:58.23 | scanline | cold comfort for change? |
| 20:58.30 | scanline | did you exchange a walk on part in the war |
| 20:58.38 | scanline | for a leading role in a cage? |
| 20:59.15 | scanline | how I wish |
| 20:59.18 | scanline | how I wish you were here |
| 20:59.23 | captain_proton | wow scanline is bored |
| 20:59.26 | scanline | we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl |
| 20:59.28 | scanline | year after year |
| 20:59.32 | scanline | running over the same old ground |
| 20:59.36 | scanline | what have we found? |
| 20:59.38 | scanline | the same old fears |
| 20:59.40 | scanline | wish you were here |
| 20:59.50 | scanline | captain_proton: nah, just procrastinating for a probability midterm ;) |
| 20:59.59 | scanline | and this is a good song |
| 21:00.44 | PatLabor221 | ugg dishes too. |
| 21:01.01 | PatLabor221 | if I'm not back in 15 min, set fire to the house, so it won't get out. |
| 21:02.40 | fignuts | uhh |
| 21:03.23 | iibot | haha |
| 21:03.45 | iibot | half the dishes done so far.. |
| 21:04.06 | iibot | whats better for 3dsmax? opengl or DX? |
| 21:05.06 | fignuts | ogl |
| 21:05.07 | fignuts | for me |
| 21:05.13 | iibot | hrm |
| 21:06.52 | fignuts | never crashes |
| 21:06.57 | fignuts | or nething |
| 21:07.06 | iibot | hrm, this is sllloooowww |
| 21:07.06 | fignuts | renders great |
| 21:07.15 | fignuts | uhh yeah |
| 21:07.23 | iibot | I only have 256 ram |
| 21:07.43 | fignuts | ok i have all five models ready |
| 21:08.09 | fignuts | now i export too ogl c |
| 21:10.44 | fignuts | ahh yes |
| 21:10.58 | fignuts | and now what send it to you pat? |
| 21:12.50 | fignuts | 5 files body,turret,barrel,tread.c |
| 21:16.39 | fignuts | in your plugins folder |
| 21:16.52 | iibot | I did that |
| 21:16.54 | iibot | hmm |
| 21:17.00 | bzdouggg | how odd |
| 21:17.12 | fignuts | first of all |
| 21:17.16 | fignuts | what plugin? |
| 21:17.30 | bzdouggg | hmm, simcloth |
| 21:17.38 | fignuts | is it a script |
| 21:18.20 | bzdouggg | .dlm |
| 21:18.40 | fignuts | put it in stdplugs |
| 21:18.45 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 21:18.45 | bzdouggg | ok |
| 21:18.47 | bzdouggg | thx |
| 21:18.49 | fignuts | and restart |
| 21:18.52 | fignuts | 3ds |
| 21:18.56 | fignuts | PAT |
| 21:18.59 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 21:19.03 | bzdouggg | have fun! |
| 21:19.03 | fignuts | PATLABOR |
| 21:19.06 | fignuts | i am |
| 21:19.10 | bzdouggg | ha |
| 21:19.11 | fignuts | yelling at pat |
| 21:19.18 | fignuts | PATLABOR! |
| 21:19.32 | hoda | PATLABOR221 |
| 21:20.10 | captain_proton | hoda: calm down, he'll be back |
| 21:20.18 | hoda | grr |
| 21:20.26 | hoda | im not goin anywhere |
| 21:20.32 | hoda | either |
| 21:20.55 | PatLabor221 | there done |
| 21:20.56 | hoda | hey cap do you know how this tex coord thing works? |
| 21:21.01 | hoda | hey pat |
| 21:21.07 | hoda | about the tex |
| 21:21.07 | PatLabor221 | LOL |
| 21:21.13 | PatLabor221 | yes? |
| 21:21.24 | hoda | does this need to be scaled or re-done |
| 21:21.38 | hoda | can i scale my current skin down to 512x512 |
| 21:22.06 | PatLabor221 | yes 512x512 is better |
| 21:22.22 | PatLabor221 | tho for the size of the tanks on screen 265 will be fine as well |
| 21:22.32 | captain_proton | 256* |
| 21:22.40 | PatLabor221 | yeah 256 is best |
| 21:22.46 | hoda | k |
| 21:22.53 | PatLabor221 | cap can gimp make an RGB? |
| 21:22.57 | hoda | so basicly just 1 map tex |
| 21:23.00 | hoda | yes |
| 21:23.04 | hoda | im doing it now |
| 21:23.09 | PatLabor221 | 1 map tex? |
| 21:23.11 | hoda | what format is skin bmp? |
| 21:23.17 | PatLabor221 | rgb |
| 21:23.18 | hoda | 25x256 tile |
| 21:23.30 | PatLabor221 | it will be a 256x256 image |
| 21:23.36 | PatLabor221 | I can get it converted |
| 21:23.37 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: yeah it can |
| 21:24.25 | hoda | save it as c source or jpg? |
| 21:24.37 | PatLabor221 | images arn't c |
| 21:24.44 | PatLabor221 | png or bmp is fine |
| 21:24.45 | hoda | gimp can save to c |
| 21:24.49 | PatLabor221 | jpeg will be lossy |
| 21:24.52 | hoda | bmp then |
| 21:25.16 | hoda | ok and then how is this tex applied? |
| 21:25.25 | hoda | etc |
| 21:25.33 | PatLabor221 | via glTexCoord2f() calls in the code |
| 21:25.46 | hoda | do i just send it all in one zip? |
| 21:25.49 | PatLabor221 | did your model have UV cords? |
| 21:25.54 | hoda | yes |
| 21:25.58 | PatLabor221 | I need both files |
| 21:26.05 | PatLabor221 | the model does not have the image in it |
| 21:26.06 | hoda | tex and c's? |
| 21:26.10 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 21:26.18 | hoda | k zipped and on ther way |
| 21:26.30 | PatLabor221 | it didn't? |
| 21:26.36 | PatLabor221 | did I do it in gameloop? |
| 21:26.37 | captain_proton | nope |
| 21:26.39 | PatLabor221 | wow |
| 21:26.50 | captain_proton | i basically just added if(!wasinit(video)) initsubsystem(video) |
| 21:27.03 | PatLabor221 | makes sense |
| 21:27.31 | PatLabor221 | whoa remote controlled destop tank thingys |
| 21:27.33 | PatLabor221 | now that's cool |
| 21:29.07 | hoda | tank 4 u |
| 21:29.37 | hoda | please compile |
| 21:29.45 | hoda | lets roxors |
| 21:29.59 | hoda | ohh and i only exported 1 tread |
| 21:30.20 | hoda | cus both treads symetrical |
| 21:30.42 | PatLabor221 | those are 3ds files |
| 21:30.46 | PatLabor221 | I need them as C files |
| 21:30.47 | hoda | uhh |
| 21:30.51 | PatLabor221 | and I need both treads |
| 21:31.01 | hoda | oh my |
| 21:31.02 | PatLabor221 | they are seperate in BZ |
| 21:31.03 | hoda | they are |
| 21:31.05 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 21:31.07 | hoda | wtf |
| 21:31.10 | hoda | godamnit |
| 21:32.27 | PatLabor221 | also they are wayy to big |
| 21:32.33 | PatLabor221 | like 6000 units |
| 21:33.41 | hoda | uhh |
| 21:33.43 | hoda | what |
| 21:33.51 | hoda | those might be old |
| 21:33.52 | captain_proton | p00f |
| 21:34.00 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag/test]$ ./test |
| 21:34.00 | captain_proton | 1600x1200-fs |
| 21:34.00 | captain_proton | 1280x1024-fs |
| 21:34.00 | captain_proton | 1024x768-fs |
| 21:34.00 | captain_proton | 800x600-fs |
| 21:34.01 | captain_proton | 640x480-fs |
| 21:34.15 | scanline | captain_proton: SDLification? |
| 21:34.17 | hoda | full screen |
| 21:34.20 | captain_proton | scanline: yep |
| 21:34.24 | scanline | captain_proton: spiffariffic |
| 21:35.02 | hoda | tank 4 u |
| 21:36.14 | hoda | is it still fubarred? |
| 21:36.16 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 21:36.21 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag/test]$ ./test |
| 21:36.21 | captain_proton | 1600x1200-fs |
| 21:36.21 | captain_proton | Bus error |
| 21:36.24 | PatLabor221 | one sec |
| 21:36.27 | hoda | i scaled it down |
| 21:36.28 | PatLabor221 | looking at it all |
| 21:36.38 | hoda | i thought for sure properly |
| 21:37.01 | hoda | i did rush |
| 21:37.02 | hoda | :P |
| 21:37.27 | hoda | like you said its better to wait for the mdl |
| 21:37.33 | hoda | md3 |
| 21:37.50 | PatLabor221 | that's not open GL code |
| 21:37.59 | hoda | it looks hairy |
| 21:38.05 | PatLabor221 | no it dosn't |
| 21:38.14 | PatLabor221 | it just a assload of arrays with verts |
| 21:38.18 | hoda | 11.650687,5911.357422,864.852600}, {-1311.290649,5915.497070,-363.409821}, {-1134.049072,5915.497070,426.130707}, |
| 21:38.18 | hoda | {-649.820007,5915.4 |
| 21:38.20 | PatLabor221 | but no calls to gl |
| 21:38.26 | PatLabor221 | yeah it's just arrays |
| 21:38.26 | hoda | aww |
| 21:38.32 | PatLabor221 | numbers arn't "harry" |
| 21:38.33 | hoda | i noticed that |
| 21:39.02 | PatLabor221 | this must be some bastard internal coding standard |
| 21:39.29 | PatLabor221 | also there are no texure coords on a lot of this stuff |
| 21:39.31 | PatLabor221 | and no normals |
| 21:39.48 | hoda | ugh |
| 21:40.06 | hoda | just use the body |
| 21:40.22 | PatLabor221 | I can't use any of it |
| 21:40.27 | hoda | er |
| 21:40.31 | PatLabor221 | it's got no gl calls |
| 21:40.35 | hoda | yeah |
| 21:40.42 | hoda | no way to export with those? |
| 21:40.45 | PatLabor221 | would take a bit of work to get it in there |
| 21:40.46 | PatLabor221 | I don't know |
| 21:41.04 | PatLabor221 | usualy people write code and don't "export" it |
| 21:41.31 | PatLabor221 | the current tank was hand coded in triangle strips and fans |
| 21:41.33 | hoda | aww |
| 21:41.39 | hoda | write a tank |
| 21:41.45 | PatLabor221 | sure |
| 21:41.50 | hoda | aww |
| 21:42.00 | hoda | that dosnt sound like fun atall |
| 21:42.02 | PatLabor221 | I think polytrans will do gl code |
| 21:42.03 | hoda | :/ |
| 21:42.07 | PatLabor221 | I'm sure it wasn't |
| 21:42.38 | hoda | well a vertex list is easy to plug in |
| 21:42.55 | hoda | but i wanted to get this slightly complex shape in |
| 21:43.03 | hoda | easily |
| 21:43.13 | hoda | obviously hard coded is the right word |
| 21:43.41 | PatLabor221 | it's done in a very specific way |
| 21:43.55 | PatLabor221 | crs didn't make the thing extensible. |
| 21:44.21 | hoda | well |
| 21:44.23 | PatLabor221 | damn these arays don't even make any sense |
| 21:44.30 | captain_proton | this is cool |
| 21:44.32 | captain_proton | resolution switching works :) |
| 21:44.34 | captain_proton | lemme try it with fullscreen modes now |
| 21:44.40 | captain_proton | heh thats trippy |
| 21:44.45 | hoda | the shape is very complex |
| 21:44.46 | captain_proton | whoa, OPN lag |
| 21:45.23 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: you should see this...it cycles through all the valid fullscreen resolutions :) |
| 21:46.03 | hoda | gpu detonates? |
| 21:46.26 | hoda | i want to write a prog that detonates gpu's |
| 21:46.45 | hoda | and distribute it as a half-life mod |
| 21:46.57 | captain_proton | i don't think there's a BOMB register on your standard gpu |
| 21:47.13 | PatLabor221 | and why would you want to? |
| 21:47.43 | PatLabor221 | thre was a register you would poke too in the C64 that would fry a bit in ram |
| 21:47.59 | hoda | awww |
| 21:48.08 | hoda | i gots a comodore 128 :P |
| 21:48.23 | scanline | I think it was the PET that had a register you could use to make the monitor output transistors explode |
| 21:48.23 | PatLabor221 | you should port bz to it. |
| 21:48.25 | hoda | its tight |
| 21:48.30 | hoda | right |
| 21:48.34 | hoda | fir sure |
| 21:48.40 | hoda | lol |
| 21:48.50 | hoda | itd be running at 16 fps |
| 21:48.51 | PatLabor221 | fir sure? are you from around where I live? :) |
| 21:49.01 | PatLabor221 | you think it would get that high? |
| 21:49.07 | hoda | where do you live?? |
| 21:49.21 | hoda | i live near chicago |
| 21:49.23 | PatLabor221 | in the semi arid desert that is southern california |
| 21:49.31 | hoda | uhh |
| 21:49.45 | hoda | dryness=good |
| 21:49.59 | PatLabor221 | it's raining right now |
| 21:50.06 | PatLabor221 | this is our "semi" portion |
| 21:50.09 | hoda | :| |
| 21:50.16 | PatLabor221 | but then in the summer it will get up to 125 |
| 21:50.22 | hoda | eh |
| 21:50.48 | hoda | you should put a white dome over your house |
| 21:51.03 | PatLabor221 | or just not go to the valley |
| 21:51.06 | hoda | naw itd cook you up |
| 21:51.10 | PatLabor221 | and stay here where it's not too bad |
| 21:51.16 | PatLabor221 | you get used to it |
| 21:51.18 | hoda | hmm |
| 21:51.24 | hoda | i dont beleive i would |
| 21:51.41 | hoda | well i live in basements |
| 21:51.51 | hoda | which self regulate heat/cold |
| 21:51.57 | PatLabor221 | I see |
| 21:52.01 | captain_proton | ugg, my arm is sore |
| 21:52.02 | PatLabor221 | but you have no windows |
| 21:52.05 | PatLabor221 | and no beaches |
| 21:52.11 | hoda | nope neither |
| 21:52.17 | hoda | 5 big poluted lakes |
| 21:52.19 | PatLabor221 | and no 6 foot tall blond women in bikins |
| 21:52.23 | hoda | aww |
| 21:52.35 | hoda | i have 16 yo sluts in thongs |
| 21:52.48 | captain_proton | 16 = too young |
| 21:52.52 | PatLabor221 | and that would be illegal |
| 21:52.54 | hoda | yeah it is for me now |
| 21:53.06 | hoda | im 22 but 2 years ago i didnt care |
| 21:53.07 | PatLabor221 | now and allways was |
| 21:53.22 | hoda | they get old too same sluts... |
| 21:53.32 | hoda | dirty old sluts |
| 21:53.37 | hoda | i should call one |
| 21:53.37 | PatLabor221 | so you going to school? |
| 21:53.43 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:53.45 | hoda | no |
| 21:53.47 | PatLabor221 | job? |
| 21:54.02 | captain_proton | why is that funny? |
| 21:54.14 | hoda | im not receiving a paycheck, and im not employed by anyone else |
| 21:54.23 | hoda | im self-employed |
| 21:54.32 | PatLabor221 | and you live off this? |
| 21:54.45 | hoda | Im living with my dad rite now |
| 21:54.52 | PatLabor221 | parents basement |
| 21:55.00 | hoda | which isnt too cool... |
| 21:55.06 | PatLabor221 | I can imageine |
| 21:55.20 | hoda | no but id rather live hear than work at a fast food joint |
| 21:55.35 | hoda | and live in a strangers basement |
| 21:55.47 | PatLabor221 | there is no shame in the food service industry. |
| 21:55.54 | hoda | :| |
| 21:55.58 | hoda | you cant be serious |
| 21:56.06 | captain_proton | he's serious |
| 21:56.10 | PatLabor221 | it pays the bills |
| 21:56.11 | captain_proton | its a job |
| 21:56.14 | PatLabor221 | I did it for 2 years |
| 21:56.28 | hoda | my goal in life isnt to pay bills dude |
| 21:56.34 | hoda | ive done it for alot longer |
| 21:56.38 | hoda | sux |
| 21:56.50 | hoda | and i dont even agree with fast food |
| 21:57.00 | hoda | *the concept of |
| 21:57.05 | PatLabor221 | ahh |
| 21:57.29 | hoda | deeprying rotting chicken flesh is like being in hell |
| 21:57.34 | hoda | frying |
| 21:57.48 | PatLabor221 | well it's better then sanitaion. |
| 21:57.53 | hoda | no |
| 21:58.00 | hoda | not by much i wouldnt think |
| 21:58.18 | hoda | i dunno im just not interested in jobs |
| 21:58.20 | PatLabor221 | so what publishers are you looking at for your mech/fps/rpg ? and what platforms? |
| 21:58.32 | hoda | well i got 1 publisher on the line |
| 21:58.36 | hoda | aarcsoft |
| 21:58.46 | hoda | and theyre very positive |
| 21:58.50 | hoda | in general |
| 21:58.53 | PatLabor221 | publishers allways are |
| 21:59.04 | hoda | and platforms id like win32 and linux/mac |
| 21:59.19 | hoda | linux/mac if someone else can do it |
| 21:59.27 | hoda | cus im not counting on doin it |
| 21:59.41 | PatLabor221 | it all depends on how you do your main development |
| 21:59.44 | hoda | id like to port to ps2 also |
| 21:59.51 | hoda | right |
| 21:59.58 | PatLabor221 | if you code in a platfrom independent maner |
| 22:00.01 | PatLabor221 | ahh PS2 |
| 22:00.07 | hoda | sure |
| 22:00.14 | PatLabor221 | aka fun with hardware timing |
| 22:00.14 | scanline | just use a good portable framework, like SDL |
| 22:00.19 | hoda | er |
| 22:00.23 | hoda | yeah |
| 22:00.56 | PatLabor221 | i allways loved hearing the sony reps talk about the ps2 |
| 22:01.08 | hoda | i dont like consoles |
| 22:01.09 | PatLabor221 | "ohh no it's not hard at all, no you don't need to know about the hardware" |
| 22:01.17 | hoda | er |
| 22:01.32 | PatLabor221 | then "well you have to get the syncs and states right. realy its all about harware timmeing" |
| 22:01.36 | hoda | if they can port linux this quickly |
| 22:01.49 | PatLabor221 | took them 12 months |
| 22:01.55 | hoda | still |
| 22:02.02 | PatLabor221 | and it's not an optimal implementaions |
| 22:02.03 | hoda | fast enough |
| 22:02.05 | hoda | no |
| 22:02.12 | hoda | still on a console |
| 22:02.16 | PatLabor221 | ps2 = asembly and minicode for the gpus |
| 22:02.18 | hoda | says alot |
| 22:02.22 | PatLabor221 | it's just a sh3 |
| 22:02.25 | hoda | minicode? |
| 22:02.26 | PatLabor221 | I think |
| 22:02.29 | PatLabor221 | minicode |
| 22:02.44 | PatLabor221 | the gpus and texure units run in paralell |
| 22:02.54 | PatLabor221 | so you have to write little programs for them to do stuff |
| 22:02.58 | hoda | aww |
| 22:03.01 | PatLabor221 | while the main cpu does other stuff |
| 22:03.07 | hoda | that dosnt sound fun |
| 22:03.13 | hoda | sounds fragged |
| 22:03.20 | hoda | like writing an os |
| 22:03.25 | PatLabor221 | I think the linux implementation uese i gpu in serial mode. |
| 22:03.26 | hoda | or game engine |
| 22:03.31 | PatLabor221 | it's worse |
| 22:03.34 | PatLabor221 | you have no OS |
| 22:03.34 | hoda | ahahah |
| 22:03.37 | PatLabor221 | no memory manager |
| 22:03.39 | PatLabor221 | nothing |
| 22:03.43 | hoda | yeah some math |
| 22:03.51 | hoda | a cpu |
| 22:03.54 | PatLabor221 | just some APIs that you can use, but noone does |
| 22:03.57 | PatLabor221 | no you hve 4 cpus |
| 22:04.01 | hoda | awww |
| 22:04.05 | hoda | wtf |
| 22:04.14 | PatLabor221 | 2 gpus, a cpu, and the sound chip |
| 22:04.14 | hoda | why dont people just use pc's |
| 22:04.18 | PatLabor221 | all programable |
| 22:04.19 | scanline | geez, you make it sound like that isn't fun |
| 22:04.27 | hoda | dude |
| 22:04.33 | hoda | its like a hardwired system |
| 22:04.36 | PatLabor221 | scanline you would LOVE it |
| 22:04.40 | hoda | barebones no os compatable |
| 22:04.41 | Widget | . |
| 22:04.48 | PatLabor221 | it's not suposed to be a PC |
| 22:04.53 | PatLabor221 | it's a game system |
| 22:04.54 | hoda | shit |
| 22:05.07 | hoda | i am not a console fan |
| 22:05.17 | PatLabor221 | it works on the TV and the couvh with you and 3 of your friends |
| 22:05.19 | hoda | i think theyre degenerate pc's |
| 22:05.22 | captain_proton | scanline: you have a bizzare definition of fun |
| 22:05.25 | hoda | yes |
| 22:05.30 | hoda | lol |
| 22:05.35 | hoda | i like getting it done |
| 22:05.37 | PatLabor221 | like I said he would love it |
| 22:05.46 | PatLabor221 | geting it done too fast = slow and crap |
| 22:05.48 | hoda | not tioling over assembly code |
| 22:05.58 | PatLabor221 | that's how you make it fast |
| 22:05.59 | scanline | captain_proton: what? Most people wouldn't love to build their own GPU and then write a FORTH compiler in Brainfuck that runs in its texture unit? |
| 22:06.12 | hoda | well getting it done while maintaning quality |
| 22:06.27 | PatLabor221 | you would like the x-box then it's got a modified version of DX |
| 22:06.29 | PatLabor221 | and an os |
| 22:06.33 | PatLabor221 | ish |
| 22:06.38 | hoda | yeah |
| 22:06.43 | hoda | i dont like microsoft though |
| 22:06.45 | captain_proton | scanline: heh, probably not |
| 22:06.48 | hoda | or dx |
| 22:06.55 | PatLabor221 | well then you are stuck with the cube :) |
| 22:06.56 | scanline | captain_proton: well darn, there goes my mental image of humanity |
| 22:07.01 | PatLabor221 | and that is worse |
| 22:07.48 | hoda | well im not too eager to code hard-core functions and pointers and arrays |
| 22:07.59 | hoda | or to learn how too |
| 22:08.00 | PatLabor221 | all functions are hard coded |
| 22:08.11 | PatLabor221 | arrays are cake |
| 22:08.13 | captain_proton | whats bad about pointers or arrays? |
| 22:08.22 | PatLabor221 | pointers are kewl |
| 22:08.22 | hoda | yeah im not gonna be able to touch torque ngine source for awhile |
| 22:08.30 | hoda | layers of complexity |
| 22:08.31 | PatLabor221 | smart pointers are even kewler |
| 22:08.35 | hoda | for a nnob |
| 22:08.40 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: you mean reference counted? |
| 22:08.44 | hoda | noob |
| 22:08.45 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 22:08.57 | scanline | "smart pointers"? You mean syntactical sugar? |
| 22:09.05 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 22:09.12 | captain_proton | pointer<int> x; |
| 22:09.14 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 22:09.17 | scanline | bleh |
| 22:09.18 | PatLabor221 | we are lazy bastage programers :) |
| 22:09.25 | scanline | int *x; damnit! |
| 22:09.33 | hoda | ahah |
| 22:09.43 | PatLabor221 | we have people forget to kill our paths all the time |
| 22:09.54 | hoda | omg |
| 22:09.57 | PatLabor221 | so we are taking them away from them |
| 22:09.57 | hoda | i work hard |
| 22:10.15 | captain_proton | scanline: explain |
| 22:11.14 | scanline | captain_proton: for example, in the picogui server I have a dialogbox class that normally subclasses the popup class, but if the app manager wants it can make the dialogbox subclass the managedwindow widget instead, all at runtime |
| 22:11.47 | scanline | captain_proton: there are several places I use function pointers that act like dynamically-generated vtables |
| 22:11.54 | hoda | so your using the same function in 2 dif ways without coding it twice? |
| 22:12.03 | scanline | hoda: right |
| 22:12.09 | PatLabor221 | overloading |
| 22:12.13 | PatLabor221 | or a variation |
| 22:12.27 | scanline | but AFAIK you can't do this at runtime with C++ classes |
| 22:12.31 | hoda | variations on a theme |
| 22:12.33 | captain_proton | scanline: that can be done with higher memory overhead |
| 22:12.37 | hoda | oh all at runtime |
| 22:12.47 | captain_proton | scanline: class dialogbox: public popup, public managedwindow |
| 22:12.48 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 22:12.55 | hoda | public classes |
| 22:13.04 | scanline | captain_proton: but then the dialogbox has to know what it could subclass beforehand |
| 22:13.15 | captain_proton | scanline: well, true |
| 22:13.46 | hoda | good yet dubious in value |
| 22:14.12 | scanline | captain_proton: I also have my own exception handling, that can (if debugging is enabled at compile-time) give me a backtrace |
| 22:14.29 | hoda | all it does at this point is approximate a more extensively coded app |
| 22:15.19 | PatLabor221 | hoda: scanline realy does know what he is doing.l |
| 22:15.19 | PatLabor221 | perhaps you should let them speak |
| 22:15.19 | hoda | ohh im sure |
| 22:15.19 | captain_proton | scanline is the C mastah |
| 22:15.19 | hoda | im trying to grip |
| 22:15.29 | scanline | I don't have anything against C++ in principal, but I have my reasons for doing almost all of picogui in C :) |
| 22:15.35 | PatLabor221 | he writes OS's and firmware n' shit |
| 22:15.44 | captain_proton | scanline: you mean you don't want 15mb overhead? :) |
| 22:15.48 | hoda | my uncle has a job for him |
| 22:15.57 | hoda | old lame ass |
| 22:15.59 | scanline | captain_proton: maybe with 50 billion apps open :) |
| 22:17.23 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm probably implementing this all with stuff that would make you say "ewwww" though ;) |
| 22:18.29 | captain_proton | scanline: like dup2(); printf(); ?? |
| 22:19.03 | scanline | #define WIDGET_DATA(s) ((struct s *)(self->subclasses[WIDGET_SUBCLASS].data)) |
| 22:19.28 | captain_proton | ewwww |
| 22:20.07 | scanline | but then there's: |
| 22:20.10 | scanline | #define WIDGET_INSTALL_PARENT(t) WIDGET_PARENT = &widgettab[appmgr_widget_map(t)];\ |
| 22:20.10 | scanline | WIDGET_PARENT->install(self); |
| 22:20.56 | captain_proton | thats not so bad |
| 22:21.13 | scanline | that's the little piece that lets it dynamically pick what widget to subclass |
| 22:21.28 | scanline | it's easy to manage the parent class's functions, since every widget has the same interface |
| 22:22.13 | scanline | that same consistency means that an application can set their application's title for instance, and it doesn't matter what widget implements the application as long as it supports that title property |
| 22:22.35 | scanline | you could do the same thing with inheritance in C++, but it wouldn't be dynamic or language transparent |
| 22:24.12 | PatLabor221 | ok so scaline is making something that is like and has alot in common with an os |
| 22:24.26 | scanline | true |
| 22:24.54 | captain_proton | (freak) |
| 22:25.02 | scanline | >:) |
| 22:25.34 | hoda | wtf |
| 22:25.42 | PatLabor221 | aarc arena |
| 22:25.44 | hoda | aarscsoft is insane |
| 22:25.57 | hoda | i dont know if i want them too publish my game |
| 22:26.08 | PatLabor221 | if insiane you mean dosn't beilve in mip maping then yes. |
| 22:26.18 | hoda | rofl |
| 22:26.29 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:26.37 | PatLabor221 | one should not scale all screen shots to 120x120 |
| 22:26.42 | PatLabor221 | in paint |
| 22:26.50 | scanline | ick |
| 22:27.07 | PatLabor221 | then put them in a java slide show on your site |
| 22:27.16 | PatLabor221 | but never allow you to see a full size one |
| 22:27.30 | hoda | well they did offer to distribute and serve |
| 22:27.31 | scanline | Well, that's not as bad as when someone scales their screenshots just a little bit with something that doesn't interpolate, so it looks normal until you realize that about every 10th column of pixels is gone |
| 22:27.34 | PatLabor221 | little companys will never give you venture capital |
| 22:27.40 | hoda | so i thought thought that was nice |
| 22:27.51 | hoda | but they are a funny company |
| 22:28.02 | PatLabor221 | are they even a company at all? |
| 22:28.07 | hoda | theyll get bought up if they get extremely successfull |
| 22:28.17 | PatLabor221 | or a 13 year old kid who can make a web page? |
| 22:28.23 | hoda | i think theyre based in bangledesh... |
| 22:28.32 | hoda | or jakarta |
| 22:28.52 | hoda | so yeah theyre a funny company, and will get bought up prolly |
| 22:29.16 | hoda | or go bankrupt |
| 22:29.28 | hoda | id like to distro/sell myself |
| 22:29.29 | PatLabor221 | they are in estonia |
| 22:29.34 | hoda | eh |
| 22:30.06 | PatLabor221 | I give them 60 days |
| 22:30.51 | hoda | Aarcsoft was established in 1996 under its parent company |
| 22:30.51 | hoda | Goldenline Ltd based in Gibraltar. Since then it has become an |
| 22:30.51 | hoda | independent entity with office and server branches in Morocco |
| 22:30.51 | hoda | (Tangier), England(Tamworth) and Spain(Algeciras). |
| 22:30.51 | hoda | Soon to incorporate its presence in the USA and Japan |
| 22:31.16 | hoda | morocco? |
| 22:31.22 | hoda | japan? |
| 22:31.40 | PatLabor221 | well that's interesting since there domain was registerd last year |
| 22:32.55 | hoda | uhh |
| 22:33.04 | hoda | im not sending them my client even |
| 22:33.14 | hoda | its just an option |
| 22:33.22 | PatLabor221 | proalby a good idea if you don't have a liscense for it yet. |
| 22:34.38 | scanline | hmm... now my window grows every time I move it |
| 22:34.49 | PatLabor221 | of by 1 error? |
| 22:35.03 | captain_proton | scanline: its like my compilation of vte that shrank whenever i changed tabs |
| 22:35.21 | scanline | PatLabor221: it's growing by several pixels, and not all at once |
| 22:35.24 | scanline | captain_proton: eh? |
| 22:35.29 | PatLabor221 | that's odd |
| 22:35.35 | scanline | hmm.. this isn't even in my new driver! |
| 22:35.41 | captain_proton | scanline: i compiled a gnometerm with vte, whenever i switched tabs the window shrank by 1 row & 1 column |
| 22:35.48 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:38.42 | scanline | ah, silly sdlinput driver was causing a feedback loop |
| 22:38.55 | PatLabor221 | like a gutar? :) |
| 22:39.14 | scanline | a little |
| 22:40.17 | hoda | crescendo? |
| 22:40.26 | hoda | cascade? |
| 22:40.39 | PatLabor221 | yes those all start with c. |
| 22:41.00 | hoda | smokd crak |
| 22:41.08 | PatLabor221 | cap: can you get flash stuff on leenox? |
| 22:42.15 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: sure i can |
| 22:42.17 | PatLabor221 | I have somethink that you may find funny knowing your musical tastes and classes |
| 22:42.21 | PatLabor221 | http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html |
| 22:42.28 | hoda | can you put flash powder on a cpu? |
| 22:42.46 | PatLabor221 | not exactly |
| 22:42.50 | hoda | oh |
| 22:43.00 | hoda | mines only 144c |
| 22:43.07 | hoda | er f |
| 22:43.13 | PatLabor221 | that's a bit hot |
| 22:43.15 | hoda | maybe 44 c |
| 22:43.20 | PatLabor221 | there you go |
| 22:43.23 | hoda | i cant remember if its in f c |
| 22:43.31 | hoda | 108 f |
| 22:44.07 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: ...interesting |
| 22:44.22 | PatLabor221 | I like how he types it ALL |
| 22:44.25 | hoda | i think the flash powder will improve the bit transgesion ratio's on my cpu's fpu units |
| 22:44.49 | captain_proton | jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga JAH JAAAH |
| 22:45.01 | PatLabor221 | and the dragon comes in the NIIIIIGGGGTTT!!! |
| 22:45.17 | hoda | dragons? |
| 22:45.19 | PatLabor221 | hoda did you have a list of buzz words? |
| 22:45.24 | hoda | lol |
| 22:45.29 | hoda | i made those up |
| 22:45.39 | hoda | its a theory |
| 22:45.42 | PatLabor221 | reallly, I see |
| 22:45.45 | hoda | ive been working on |
| 22:45.53 | hoda | explosives +cpus |
| 22:46.04 | PatLabor221 | don't get out much do you? |
| 22:46.07 | hoda | and explosive heatsinks |
| 22:46.14 | captain_proton | so what exactly is a bit transgression ratio again? |
| 22:46.17 | hoda | i do to get explosives |
| 22:46.20 | hoda | lol |
| 22:46.29 | hoda | its what improves when i detonate |
| 22:46.29 | scanline | captain_proton: it's the ratio of good bits to bad bits |
| 22:46.34 | hoda | omg |
| 22:46.37 | hoda | it exists? |
| 22:46.39 | captain_proton | scanline: ohhh right |
| 22:46.43 | scanline | hoda: of course not |
| 22:46.47 | captain_proton | scanline: 1 = good bit, 0 = bad bit, right? |
| 22:46.59 | hoda | i suppose it is what it says it is then |
| 22:47.06 | scanline | captain_proton: actually, bits with less entropy are good bits |
| 22:47.10 | PatLabor221 | I hate those bad bits |
| 22:47.20 | hoda | but, detonation is the only way out |
| 22:47.33 | hoda | this much i know |
| 22:47.40 | captain_proton | so scanline, a pixmap that happened to contain, say, some classy porn in it would be good bits? |
| 22:47.54 | captain_proton | >:) |
| 22:47.58 | PatLabor221 | lesbians? |
| 22:48.04 | PatLabor221 | those are the best bits. |
| 22:48.14 | scanline | Since entropy in a computer always increasess, the bit transgression ratio gets worse and worse until you sprinkle some Embedded Flash (tm) in your power supply to absorb the extra entropy |
| 22:48.32 | hoda | lesbian bits have a value of goodness*pie+detonation |
| 22:48.44 | scanline | captain_proton: depends on how much entropy the porn has I guess |
| 22:48.45 | PatLabor221 | that must be why powersupplys go bad when they have too much entropy |
| 22:49.02 | hoda | i add water to the circuits that function poorley |
| 22:49.05 | captain_proton | next on fox: when good power supplies go bad |
| 22:49.10 | hoda | lol |
| 22:49.23 | PatLabor221 | power supply in the music server went bad |
| 22:49.28 | hoda | when appliances are worked on while plugged in |
| 22:49.43 | PatLabor221 | tho I am guessing that it was because it was a 145 what on a P3 with 6 drives. |
| 22:49.55 | hoda | Appliance repair with juice in a hot tob |
| 22:50.01 | hoda | tub |
| 22:50.13 | hoda | lol |
| 22:50.17 | hoda | ahahah |
| 22:50.22 | PatLabor221 | I joke not |
| 22:50.27 | hoda | i have like a 500 watt |
| 22:50.29 | PatLabor221 | 3 drives wernt' even spinning up |
| 22:50.34 | PatLabor221 | 500 wow that's a lot |
| 22:50.35 | hoda | uhh |
| 22:50.46 | captain_proton | a lot for a normal system maybe |
| 22:50.48 | hoda | not too much but for a duron 1 gig |
| 22:50.49 | PatLabor221 | what kind of system is it in? |
| 22:50.56 | hoda | lol its a durno |
| 22:50.59 | captain_proton | i'm gonna be using about 2kW total for my array |
| 22:51.10 | hoda | yeah |
| 22:51.12 | PatLabor221 | 2 that's not too bad |
| 22:51.13 | scanline | captain_proton: and who's calling who crazy today? |
| 22:51.19 | PatLabor221 | durrons only take 250s |
| 22:51.24 | hoda | yup |
| 22:51.24 | captain_proton | scanline: flobidob blib blob bleeb |
| 22:51.28 | hoda | im at overkill |
| 22:51.48 | hoda | anything more is sheer waste |
| 22:51.55 | PatLabor221 | case with that power supply must have cost a prety penny |
| 22:52.07 | PatLabor221 | actualy it dosn't waste anyting, it just dosn't draw that much |
| 22:52.10 | hoda | uhh it was pretty cheap |
| 22:52.13 | PatLabor221 | realy |
| 22:52.21 | PatLabor221 | who made it? |
| 22:52.23 | hoda | i think like 40$ |
| 22:52.27 | hoda | no idea |
| 22:52.37 | hoda | uhh |
| 22:52.50 | hoda | no idea |
| 22:52.51 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: billy bob's discount power electronics |
| 22:52.59 | PatLabor221 | then unless it was stolen it was a 250 or a 300 |
| 22:53.03 | hoda | lol china |
| 22:53.16 | hoda | its 500 |
| 22:53.42 | hoda | i can almost see the brand |
| 22:54.05 | PatLabor221 | the only cases that come with a 500 are intell server cases |
| 22:54.08 | PatLabor221 | and they have 2 of them |
| 22:54.08 | hoda | its covered up |
| 22:54.14 | hoda | sky |
| 22:54.16 | hoda | something |
| 22:54.17 | PatLabor221 | and go for 863$ |
| 22:54.27 | hoda | dude it was dirt cheap |
| 22:54.28 | PatLabor221 | at my second job we sell these things |
| 22:54.33 | PatLabor221 | then it ain't no 500 |
| 22:54.36 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: he doesn't have a rackable case |
| 22:54.45 | hoda | its pretty ghetto |
| 22:54.55 | PatLabor221 | ohh man cap I saw the coolest case for rack mount. |
| 22:54.56 | captain_proton | ghetto power supplies, my favorite |
| 22:54.59 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: oh? |
| 22:55.06 | PatLabor221 | I'll have to find it agina |
| 22:55.10 | PatLabor221 | it may have sucked |
| 22:55.13 | PatLabor221 | but it looked cool |
| 22:55.17 | PatLabor221 | like a shuttle part |
| 22:55.49 | PatLabor221 | it was on our suplyers site |
| 22:55.53 | PatLabor221 | I'll have to find it |
| 22:56.16 | captain_proton | at this point i'm thinking of having 3 boxes |
| 22:56.56 | captain_proton | 1U case for the main system |
| 22:57.11 | captain_proton | run a ribbon cable out to another box filled with pci slots |
| 22:57.28 | captain_proton | then a third for the first bank of disks |
| 22:57.33 | hoda | yes |
| 22:57.43 | PatLabor221 | how many are gonna be in the inital system? |
| 22:57.59 | hoda | output and input |
| 22:58.03 | scanline | captain_proton: might want to check the PCI specs to see how long that ribbon cable can be |
| 22:58.24 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: hopefully about 70 or 80, but the guy said they reorganized recently and that non-inventory stuff tends to get damaged when that happens |
| 22:58.32 | hoda | optimise the output of your input |
| 22:58.34 | captain_proton | scanline: it'll only be about 3" |
| 22:58.39 | scanline | ah |
| 22:58.42 | PatLabor221 | ick |
| 22:58.50 | PatLabor221 | when do you get it? |
| 22:59.00 | hoda | my toaster has a cpu |
| 22:59.11 | hoda | 2 of em |
| 22:59.16 | PatLabor221 | of couse it does |
| 22:59.18 | captain_proton | i'll at least have 15 (so far) 3.5" drives to stick in it |
| 22:59.25 | PatLabor221 | and let me guess they explode |
| 22:59.28 | hoda | they conduct the heat into toast products |
| 22:59.33 | hoda | uhh |
| 22:59.38 | hoda | :| |
| 22:59.50 | hoda | i hope my toast cpu's dont explode |
| 22:59.53 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: well, i'm going to get a test board fabbed to hook up a single drive, and i'll have him ship out one of them along with the board once its done |
| 23:00.05 | hoda | sure |
| 23:00.08 | hoda | thatlle work |
| 23:00.10 | captain_proton | then he'll probably drive up to boulder to deliver everything else when i get the big board fabbed |
| 23:00.12 | hoda | send it to.... |
| 23:00.16 | PatLabor221 | where does one go to get these things fabed? |
| 23:00.18 | hoda | 3245 halsted |
| 23:00.22 | hoda | rockford il |
| 23:00.25 | hoda | 61103 |
| 23:00.31 | PatLabor221 | hoda are you drunk? |
| 23:00.39 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: he has a friend over at some shop that does it for him at cost |
| 23:00.42 | hoda | lol im burned out on modelling |
| 23:00.53 | hoda | so im just fuckin around |
| 23:00.54 | PatLabor221 | cap: thats rather nice of him |
| 23:00.58 | captain_proton | yes it is :) |
| 23:01.00 | hoda | today atleast |
| 23:01.25 | PatLabor221 | yeah that tank musta taken forever |
| 23:01.41 | scanline | got screenshots of the new tank? |
| 23:01.50 | captain_proton | scanline: which new tank? :) |
| 23:01.53 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:01.54 | captain_proton | hovertank = pimp |
| 23:02.15 | PatLabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/hover.jpg I think |
| 23:02.19 | PatLabor221 | maybe hover1 |
| 23:02.20 | PatLabor221 | or 2 |
| 23:02.25 | PatLabor221 | don't remember |
| 23:02.28 | captain_proton | hover1.jpg |
| 23:02.32 | scanline | haha |
| 23:02.34 | scanline | funky |
| 23:02.52 | scanline | looks like something from star wars |
| 23:03.07 | captain_proton | it should wear a pink fuzzy hat |
| 23:03.45 | PatLabor221 | its actualy losely based on a hover tank from a pen and paper game callee Jovian chronicles |
| 23:09.58 | captain_proton | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 23:09.59 | scanline | PatLabor221: with good textures and a good hovering physics, that model could kick some ass :) |
| 23:10.30 | PatLabor221 | that's the plan |
| 23:10.30 | scanline | s/and a/and/ |
| 23:10.58 | PatLabor221 | well that and the other tanks |
| 23:11.23 | PatLabor221 | I realy need to get bonapart in game |
| 23:11.23 | scanline | so, when will you have light mapping working in bzflag? :) |
| 23:11.23 | PatLabor221 | getin sphereical enviroment maping going now |
| 23:11.23 | scanline | mmmm |
| 23:11.23 | PatLabor221 | got skin defined multiple texture passes in now |
| 23:11.23 | PatLabor221 | just the env pass is not working right |
| 23:11.43 | PatLabor221 | then I want to look at geting the world database/stuff renderer all unhooked from the mess that it's in now |
| 23:11.43 | PatLabor221 | to help cappy out |
| 23:11.43 | PatLabor221 | and hope he forgets about me making a camera class :) |
| 23:11.49 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: heh |
| 23:12.25 | captain_proton | i'd be very willing to make a camera class if you can unhook the world database/scene renderer from the rest |
| 23:13.07 | PatLabor221 | it's super ugly isn't it |
| 23:13.13 | PatLabor221 | like drive men insane |
| 23:15.23 | hoda | no model exporter for bzflag yet? |
| 23:15.30 | PatLabor221 | exporter? |
| 23:15.48 | hoda | from c to bz |
| 23:15.50 | PatLabor221 | like to get the current models in a readable fomrat |
| 23:15.51 | hoda | g |
| 23:16.00 | PatLabor221 | I made a "glModelWacker" |
| 23:16.01 | hoda | man |
| 23:16.10 | PatLabor221 | and took the tank out |
| 23:16.23 | PatLabor221 | but thats the only real model that was needed |
| 23:16.25 | hoda | i love the bzgib |
| 23:16.33 | captain_proton | bzgib? |
| 23:16.35 | PatLabor221 | gib? |
| 23:16.39 | hoda | gibbers |
| 23:16.45 | PatLabor221 | tanks don't bleed |
| 23:17.20 | captain_proton | scanline: patches welcome ;-) |
| 23:17.30 | PatLabor221 | ohh you mean the CAnimMesh class |
| 23:17.35 | PatLabor221 | that will read Quake 3 models :) |
| 23:17.56 | PatLabor221 | ohhhhh 2d bsps |
| 23:19.06 | PatLabor221 | pitfall harry was THE MAN |
| 23:19.18 | PatLabor221 | busted a joystick on PF2 |
| 23:20.00 | hoda | hey pat could you join and help with the persistence and data saves/retreavals? |
| 23:20.25 | PatLabor221 | what type of persistant data? |
| 23:20.47 | PatLabor221 | he's gonna go mysql |
| 23:20.55 | hoda | char |
| 23:20.59 | hoda | ahh yes |
| 23:21.03 | hoda | kindness |
| 23:21.14 | hoda | character data |
| 23:21.15 | PatLabor221 | honestly I know jack about databased |
| 23:21.19 | hoda | maybe clan data |
| 23:21.22 | hoda | lol |
| 23:21.32 | hoda | not too many know the net database shit |
| 23:21.39 | hoda | ok scan |
| 23:21.40 | PatLabor221 | i'd get a webby to help you |
| 23:21.46 | hoda | im trying to make a game |
| 23:21.53 | scanline | hoda: I figured that part out |
| 23:22.02 | PatLabor221 | see told you he was smart |
| 23:22.13 | hoda | and i want characters to save to a database and retreaive there data from a database |
| 23:22.18 | scanline | I know my numeretics and alphabeticalisms |
| 23:22.25 | hoda | users to save ther char data |
| 23:22.31 | hoda | lucky you |
| 23:22.47 | hoda | i know mysql is easy |
| 23:22.52 | hoda | and db's are easy |
| 23:23.00 | PatLabor221 | does your tourqe engine have a web component? |
| 23:23.18 | hoda | but we have to serve that data to our clients and all the code escapes me |
| 23:23.29 | scanline | hoda: well, if I were you I'd train some monkeys to save the user's data, and get some classy installer like InstallForce2000XP to distribute those monkeys with your engine |
| 23:24.17 | hoda | that sounds like ill have to break animal rights laws |
| 23:24.25 | PatLabor221 | wow svn is going faster today |
| 23:24.59 | scanline | hoda: nah, the animal rights laws have exemptions when you're dealing with an infinite number of monkeys. How do you think shakespeare got his start? |
| 23:25.08 | PatLabor221 | and google |
| 23:25.15 | scanline | indeed! |
| 23:25.17 | PatLabor221 | well they use pigons |
| 23:25.29 | scanline | pigeons, monkeys, same thing |
| 23:25.45 | scanline | You can send TCP/IP over monkeys just fine |
| 23:25.45 | PatLabor221 | and a special mix of linseed and flax (lin/ax) |
| 23:26.15 | PatLabor221 | do moneys suport UDP? he needs it to be fast |
| 23:26.22 | PatLabor221 | monkeys not moneys |
| 23:26.46 | scanline | Well, they do, but it can be a real mess when you have and infinite number of monkeys in an undefined order |
| 23:26.49 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: yeah, any IP protocol is supported |
| 23:27.01 | PatLabor221 | tho I hear they are better then those netbui ourangatangs. |
| 23:27.04 | scanline | s/and/an/ |
| 23:27.16 | scanline | oh yeah, anything's better than them |
| 23:27.25 | PatLabor221 | ipx marmamsets |
| 23:28.05 | PatLabor221 | perhaps my checkout will take only 20 min. today. |
| 23:28.08 | scanline | You folks use valgrind on bzflag much? |
| 23:28.13 | MrApathyCream | lo cappy |
| 23:28.15 | hoda | rofl you need to put an uncooked egg in the circuit |
| 23:28.20 | captain_proton | scanline: valgrind? |
| 23:28.34 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: new LGE files w/ resolution switching |
| 23:28.35 | scanline | captain_proton: ooh, valgrind is the coolest thing since sliced tomato soup! |
| 23:28.41 | PatLabor221 | hoda what is it with you and food products on integrated circuts? |
| 23:28.49 | hoda | lol |
| 23:28.55 | hoda | fry an egg on my cpu |
| 23:29.01 | PatLabor221 | cap: I am still checking out |
| 23:29.05 | hoda | for breakfast |
| 23:29.13 | scanline | captain_proton: it's a memory debugger for x86, it can detect memory leaks, invalid reads, uninitialized memory, and more |
| 23:29.13 | PatLabor221 | 108 deg is not enough to fry the egg |
| 23:29.19 | captain_proton | scanline: ooh |
| 23:29.23 | hoda | awwww |
| 23:29.27 | PatLabor221 | sounds like boundschecker |
| 23:29.38 | captain_proton | scanline: how gross would it be working on C++? |
| 23:29.44 | scanline | valgrind is especially cool, since it's effectively an x86 emulator |
| 23:29.46 | hoda | how about egg shaped electrons? |
| 23:29.54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you oughta commit your flag stuff to svn |
| 23:29.56 | scanline | captain_proton: it was designed for C++, the author wrote it to help out KDE3 debugging |
| 23:30.05 | captain_proton | niftiness |
| 23:30.15 | scanline | http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ |
| 23:30.39 | MrApathyCream | 1.7 branch? |
| 23:30.57 | scanline | Between valgrind, gdb, electric fence, and some printf()s, I have all the debug tools I need :) |
| 23:31.10 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: either/or |
| 23:31.16 | MrApathyCream | same syntax as cvs? |
| 23:31.25 | captain_proton | just 'svn commit' from within your directory |
| 23:31.33 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 23:31.35 | PatLabor221 | svn is realy slick |
| 23:31.45 | hoda | wots svn? |
| 23:31.50 | PatLabor221 | tho it does seem to cache the user login info |
| 23:31.54 | PatLabor221 | a CVS alternitve |
| 23:31.59 | hoda | i c |
| 23:32.25 | captain_proton | PatLabor221: i think it caches it if your initial checkout had a --password arg |
| 23:32.34 | PatLabor221 | ohh |
| 23:32.36 | PatLabor221 | well mine did |
| 23:32.41 | PatLabor221 | it's kinda nice |
| 23:32.51 | PatLabor221 | just svn ci svn co |
| 23:32.53 | PatLabor221 | svn up |
| 23:33.02 | PatLabor221 | svn add pisses me off tho |
| 23:33.09 | captain_proton | whats wrong with svn add? |
| 23:33.09 | PatLabor221 | have to tell it what files |
| 23:33.18 | captain_proton | true |
| 23:33.30 | hoda | i like linux shells |
| 23:33.38 | PatLabor221 | but thats better then it sending my debug dir to the server |
| 23:33.38 | captain_proton | could possibly use svn import to add new files but i'm not sure |
| 23:33.54 | captain_proton | yes, don't want all the extra crap that comes from building it to be in svn |
| 23:34.01 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 23:34.22 | PatLabor221 | I'd like to see it hooked into a shell component |
| 23:34.25 | PatLabor221 | that would be nice |
| 23:34.39 | PatLabor221 | then I could just context click stuff |
| 23:34.46 | PatLabor221 | had a CVS client that did that |
| 23:36.58 | hoda | be back later or tomorow |
| 23:38.08 | PatLabor221 | tomorow, tomorow, kreeps in this steady pace, from now till the last sylable of recorded time.... |
| 23:38.29 | PatLabor221 | and all out yesteryears have lighted fools the way to a dusty death |
| 23:38.38 | captain_proton | another new LGE if you clowns care to svn up |
| 23:38.50 | PatLabor221 | life is but a player, who struts and frets his hour upon the stage. |
| 23:39.08 | PatLabor221 | 7up aye aye cap. |
| 23:39.18 | captain_proton | just added cursor show/hide |
| 23:39.31 | PatLabor221 | now what the hell is the dif between all these "scene" things |
| 23:39.35 | PatLabor221 | I got a rederer |
| 23:39.38 | PatLabor221 | a builder |
| 23:39.51 | PatLabor221 | a bsp scene database |
| 23:39.56 | PatLabor221 | an scene database |
| 23:40.05 | PatLabor221 | and a z scene database |
| 23:41.04 | PatLabor221 | I wish I had a good picture of how this all works |
| 23:42.06 | captain_proton | scene builder puts together the scene graph |
| 23:42.13 | captain_proton | scene renderer traverses the scene graph |
| 23:42.20 | PatLabor221 | from net data? |
| 23:42.33 | captain_proton | not sure about the differences between bspscenedatabase, scenedatabase and zscenedatabase |
| 23:42.41 | MrApathyCream | hey, i think it actually worked |
| 23:43.11 | captain_proton | i think it also adds temporary nodes, tanks, flags, etc |
| 23:44.56 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: svn up confirms |
| 23:45.27 | MrApathyCream | At Revision 30 |
| 23:45.32 | captain_proton | oofa |
| 23:47.53 | PatLabor221 | you didn't see that when you type it? |
| 23:48.07 | captain_proton | not until now |
| 23:48.42 | PatLabor221 | ohh |
| 23:48.57 | PatLabor221 | svn up the "unCVS" bwaahahahahahaha |
| 23:49.02 | captain_proton | /join #bzflag-rip |
| 23:49.15 | PatLabor221 | ohh noone else will |
| 23:49.52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: looks like there was a patching artifact, fixing... |
| 23:50.17 | MrApathyCream | artifact? |
| 23:50.56 | captain_proton | a '+' |
| 23:50.59 | PatLabor221 | like the arc of the convenant |
| 23:54.39 | PatLabor221 | mmm vector of the covenant |
| 23:54.44 | PatLabor221 | sounds like a band name |
| 23:54.51 | captain_proton | we should start a band |
| 23:55.13 | PatLabor221 | hoda invented it :) |
| 23:55.16 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 23:55.20 | captain_proton | oooo eeey ooo i want to integrate over your surface ooooooooOOOOOOOOOO |
| 23:55.22 | scanline | makes perfect sense :) |
| 23:55.31 | PatLabor221 | well I could normalise it |
| 23:55.42 | PatLabor221 | then get the dot of that agains some constant |
| 23:55.53 | PatLabor221 | and that would give me the cos of the angle between them |
| 23:55.58 | scanline | Don't take the derivative, baby you know you want to int-e-grate over my cuuurves |
| 23:57.36 | captain_proton | the magnitude of this relationship is making me lament its direction |
| 23:58.44 | PatLabor221 | ohh man, they asked me why our product crashed when a post developer divided by 0 in our little language |
| 23:58.54 | PatLabor221 | and I tell them, because you divide by 0 |
| 23:59.00 | PatLabor221 | and they ask how do they fix it |
| 23:59.05 | PatLabor221 | and I say "don't do that" |
| 23:59.12 | PatLabor221 | they didn't like that now |
| 23:59.32 | PatLabor221 | so I thow up a dialog that says "division by 0 'dumbass'" |
| 23:59.49 | PatLabor221 | now the wonder why there cals arn't right |
