| 00:01:15 | tobey1 | ok figured out why bzflag was flunking out on recompile from srpm |
| 00:01:57 | tobey1 | 2 binaries are missing from rpm thats created |
| 00:03:06 | doughecka | oh? |
| 00:03:49 | doughecka | hey Widget! |
| 00:03:54 | Widget | doughecka: hihihi |
| 00:03:59 | doughecka | heh |
| 00:04:12 | Patlabor221 | widget is alive? |
| 00:04:19 | sussudio | no |
| 00:04:23 | sussudio | widget is pining for the fjords |
| 00:04:26 | Patlabor221 | zooombie widget |
| 00:04:40 | sussudio | staples widget to the cage |
| 00:04:42 | doughecka | Widget is stunned |
| 00:04:57 | doughecka | LOOK! SHE MOVED! |
| 00:05:13 | doughecka | shrugs and wonders off again |
| 00:05:29 | Widget | just needs sleep, that's all. |
| 00:05:29 | sussudio | you pushed it |
| 00:05:37 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:05:48 | sussudio | this widget wouldnt move if you put 200 volts on it |
| 00:06:01 | doughecka | hah |
| 00:06:39 | Widget | Does anyone want to play chess? |
| 00:06:49 | sussudio | dr falken? |
| 00:07:37 | Widget | sussudio: Was Scheveningen Dutch or German? |
| 00:07:49 | sussudio | Widget: :-P |
| 00:08:15 | sussudio | *snort* |
| 00:08:40 | sussudio | scheveningen scheveningen scheveningen scheve.... LUL |
| 00:08:56 | Widget | Scheveningen as in the variation of Sicilian Defence. |
| 00:09:55 | doughecka | is away: dinner |
| 00:10:01 | Widget | 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 |
| 00:12:51 | BZFrank | hi |
| 00:12:55 | Widget | hihihi |
| 00:13:48 | Widget | moves 1. c4 |
| 00:14:13 | BZFrank | chess? |
| 00:14:19 | Widget | Yes. |
| 00:14:20 | Widget | Move. |
| 00:14:36 | Widget | English opening. |
| 00:15:25 | BZFrank | :) |
| 00:15:37 | BZFrank | well... I never won a game of chess in my game |
| 00:15:47 | Widget | BZFrank moves 1... |
| 00:16:07 | BZFrank | so I won'T start at my birthday (which is today!) ;) |
| 00:16:13 | Widget | Oooh. |
| 00:16:17 | Widget | Happy Birthday! |
| 00:16:21 | Widget | Alles gut. |
| 00:16:24 | BZFrank | thanks widget! |
| 00:16:49 | BZFrank | tomorrow is party |
| 00:17:14 | BZFrank | even oma is attending ;) |
| 00:18:37 | Widget | Wow. Big event. |
| 00:19:05 | BZFrank | at least 12 people, and I need to feed them through the evening *shivver* ;) |
| 00:19:27 | BZFrank | well, this calls for a NIGHT OUT |
| 00:20:48 | BZFrank | later |
| 00:48:25 | AV98-Ingram | whoot fixed normals |
| 00:48:30 | AV98-Ingram | one more format then I gots a tank. |
| 00:50:55 | lurgyman | grbl |
| 00:50:59 | AV98-Ingram | wrbl |
| 00:51:26 | lurgyman | smrt |
| 00:51:36 | AV98-Ingram | frt |
| 00:52:11 | lurgyman | kablooie |
| 00:52:19 | AV98-Ingram | on a stick |
| 00:52:24 | lurgyman | plus tax |
| 00:52:42 | AV98-Ingram | void where prohibited by law |
| 00:52:49 | lurgyman | batteries not included |
| 00:53:14 | AV98-Ingram | do not taunt happy fun ball. |
| 00:53:59 | lurgyman | cardboard sock repair kit free with purchase |
| 00:54:13 | AV98-Ingram | not to be taken internaly. |
| 00:55:48 | lurgyman | not a sausage |
| 00:56:12 | AV98-Ingram | if rash continues. please consult a phisican. |
| 01:00:08 | AV98-Ingram | ahh now this is a good soundtrack |
| 01:02:44 | lurgyman | warrantee void with excessive llama distribution |
| 01:02:58 | AV98-Ingram | allways is |
| 01:03:10 | AV98-Ingram | but now your reaching. |
| 01:03:24 | lurgyman | i'm always reaching |
| 01:03:44 | AV98-Ingram | I'd sugest geting taller shoes then. |
| 01:12:14 | AV98-Ingram | samhein is coming. |
| 01:20:32 | AV98-Ingram | that was not samehein |
| 01:23:15 | God | he's back! |
| 01:23:20 | God | er, I'm back! |
| 01:23:30 | AV98-Ingram | you are not samhein |
| 01:24:02 | God | a likely story |
| 01:24:06 | AV98-Ingram | it's ok for god to refer to herself in the third person |
| 01:24:17 | lurgyman | hmm, i wonder where God went |
| 01:24:24 | AV98-Ingram | you've proalby got jam trousers. |
| 01:36:34 | captain_proton | hmm, i need a scary halloween costume |
| 01:37:23 | AV98-Ingram | oooooooooooooooooo that's scarry |
| 01:37:37 | AV98-Ingram | so do I |
| 01:38:04 | Win95With8MegsOf | bah |
| 01:39:11 | AV-98-Ingram | bzdoug with ops that's scarry |
| 02:33:46 | paul | TheOnlyOneHere: look at the hostname for bzdoug :) |
| 02:34:04 | paul | oh, you knew it.. :) |
| 02:36:05 | TheOnlyOneHere | that I did |
| 02:36:25 | TheOnlyOneHere | it's caps costume |
| 02:36:33 | doughecka | hahaha |
| 02:36:35 | doughecka | bwuahahahah |
| 02:36:43 | doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 02:36:46 | doughecka | BWYAHAH |
| 02:37:13 | TheOnlyOneHere | he can kick you, you know |
| 02:37:21 | doughecka | its my name |
| 02:37:25 | TheOnlyOneHere | so |
| 02:37:42 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 02:37:47 | TheOnlyOneHere | I am just saying that he can kick you just cus |
| 02:37:56 | bzdoug | shrugs |
| 02:47:14 | TheOnlyOneHere | bahh the BZ Tank is backwards |
| 02:47:23 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:01:33 | bzdoug | is away: bed |
| 03:02:52 | TheOnlyOneHere | there all import formats excep for BZG are done |
| 04:40:01 | dougheckam | there we go |
| 04:40:08 | dougheckam | finally a nickname that doug hasn't registered |
| 04:40:16 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:40:31 | dougheckam | (i was beginning to think that such a thing didn't exist) |
| 04:40:59 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzzzz |
| 04:42:37 | dougheckam | MrApathyCream: like my costume? |
| 04:42:45 | MrApathyCream | shrugs |
| 04:42:48 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 04:43:32 | dougheckam | snorts |
| 04:56:51 | lurgyman | hork |
| 04:57:32 | patlabor221 | come with me to the twilght. |
| 04:57:58 | garbonzo_bob | jolly good |
| 04:58:06 | patlabor221 | is the cap ther? |
| 04:58:11 | patlabor221 | I have music for him |
| 04:58:14 | dougheckam | patlabor221: yep |
| 04:58:45 | patlabor221 | ident check confirmed |
| 04:58:49 | patlabor221 | greetings cap: :) |
| 04:59:00 | patlabor221 | I have the .hack// CD now |
| 04:59:11 | dougheckam | fun |
| 04:59:18 | patlabor221 | vorb_enc is having it's way with it |
| 04:59:25 | patlabor221 | then I can send it to you if you wish |
| 04:59:46 | dougheckam | sure |
| 05:00:06 | patlabor221 | There are other good songs similar to the one I sent you earlyer |
| 05:01:25 | BZFlag | bbot spell haloween |
| 05:01:26 | bbot | possible spellings for haloween: Halloween |
| 05:01:43 | dougheckam | BZFlag: a ruling yet on 1.8 vs 1.7? |
| 05:01:45 | patlabor221 | samhain |
| 05:01:50 | BZFlag | bbot spell dougheckam |
| 05:01:50 | bbot | I can't find alternate spellings for 'dougheckam' |
| 05:02:00 | dougheckam | BZFlag: (its my scary costume) |
| 05:02:20 | BZFlag | dougheckam: hope, It's looking like we will revert to 1.8 though. nobody seems to want to fix up 1.8 |
| 05:02:26 | BZFlag | er revert to 1.7 |
| 05:03:11 | dougheckam | i'm in the mood to hack at something |
| 05:03:13 | dougheckam | :P |
| 05:03:34 | patlabor221 | good thing I didn't make a BZG loader/saver |
| 05:15:06 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 05:15:07 | patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/288e/action/20fbe9b/ |
| 05:25:24 | remote | w0ah |
| 05:25:30 | remote | that's patlabor |
| 05:26:49 | dougheckam | BZFlag: how long will you be pondering about this? |
| 05:27:17 | BZFlag | till I get some time to hack on it more. a week maybe? feel free to hack on 1.7 in the mean time. |
| 05:27:40 | dougheckam | hack on in a compatibility-breaking way? |
| 05:27:53 | BZFlag | as patches on SF, sure. |
| 05:28:41 | BZFlag | I'll likely roll the net changes from 1.8 into 1.7, rename 1.8 "experiment" and tag 1.7+ as 1.8 pre or something like that. |
| 05:29:14 | BZFlag | so 1.7 will be the head again and the 1.8 dead version will be a branch. |
| 05:29:25 | dougheckam | k |
| 05:45:03 | M1 | hi |
| 05:56:50 | lurgyman | bbot spell smrt |
| 05:56:51 | bbot | possible spellings for smrt: smart sort sqrt smut |
| 05:58:56 | dougheckam | gah, turkey is pissing me off |
| 05:59:02 | dougheckam | how can there be so many GMs on one field? |
| 05:59:12 | dougheckam | and when in the world did OO camping come into style? |
| 06:29:37 | dougheckam | MrApathyCream: we have the goahead to start hacking, don't munge up CVS yet though |
| 06:29:59 | dougheckam | we should come up with a plan for what we want and what we need |
| 06:44:07 | remote | w00t |
| 06:44:20 | remote | woah |
| 06:44:24 | remote | h0h0 |
| 06:44:27 | remote | teehee |
| 06:44:32 | remote | bzflag rocks |
| 06:44:48 | remote | has a bzflag tumor. |
| 06:48:16 | remote | |\|0\\\ j00 |)|3 |
| 06:48:34 | dougheckam | tries to parse that |
| 06:50:04 | dougheckam | MrApathyCream: poke poke |
| 07:12:17 | dougheckam | M_A_C: you see any of that? |
| 07:12:41 | M_A_C | huh? |
| 07:12:52 | dougheckam | my earlier ranting |
| 07:13:07 | MrApathyCream | no, missed it |
| 07:13:13 | dougheckam | <dougheckam> MrApathyCream: we have the goahead to start hacking, don't munge up CVS yet though |
| 07:13:13 | dougheckam | <dougheckam> we should come up with a plan for what we want and what we need |
| 07:14:09 | dougheckam | reactions? |
| 07:16:28 | MrApathyCream | who was involved |
| 07:16:30 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 07:17:06 | dougheckam | hum? |
| 07:17:21 | MrApathyCream | who decided this |
| 07:17:30 | dougheckam | i asked how long he was gonna take to decide |
| 07:17:35 | dougheckam | <BZFlag> till I get some time to hack on it more. a week maybe? feel free to hack on 1.7 in the mean time. |
| 07:17:39 | dougheckam | <dougheckam> hack on in a compatibility-breaking way? |
| 07:17:39 | dougheckam | <BZFlag> as patches on SF, sure. |
| 07:17:39 | dougheckam | <BZFlag> I'll likely roll the net changes from 1.8 into 1.7, rename 1.8 "experiment" and tag 1.7+ as 1.8 pre or something like that. |
| 07:17:39 | dougheckam | <BZFlag> so 1.7 will be the head again and the 1.8 dead version will be a branch. |
| 07:17:39 | dougheckam | <dougheckam> k |
| 07:18:16 | dougheckam | decides the costume is just too scary |
| 07:18:58 | MrApathyCream | that sounds promising |
| 07:19:16 | MrApathyCream | whats bzflag hacking on for the next week? |
| 07:19:24 | captain_proton | probably his work |
| 07:19:48 | lurgyman | grf |
| 07:20:51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what do you want to see get done? |
| 07:21:26 | MrApathyCream | I'd like BZFlag development to shift from feature based releases to time-based releases |
| 07:21:39 | captain_proton | guh |
| 07:21:43 | captain_proton | i mean in terms of development |
| 07:21:48 | MrApathyCream | We should commit to releasing a new version every 4monthes or so |
| 07:22:01 | captain_proton | what code issues do we need to focus on? |
| 07:22:03 | MrApathyCream | So, each version isn't necessarily the best ever, or the perfect program |
| 07:22:11 | MrApathyCream | just so long as it moves forward |
| 07:22:38 | MrApathyCream | I think we need to look at a few of the important problems, and then add a few nice things too |
| 07:22:44 | MrApathyCream | but not alot of stuff |
| 07:22:47 | captain_proton | well |
| 07:22:51 | captain_proton | what -are- the important problems |
| 07:23:03 | MrApathyCream | i assume network performance, and cheating |
| 07:23:14 | MrApathyCream | not saying we solve everything now, just lets move in that direction |
| 07:23:28 | MrApathyCream | but others may thing other things are more important |
| 07:25:10 | captain_proton | seems to me we need a lot of code cleanup, both on a semantic and architecture scale |
| 07:26:34 | captain_proton | i just found this: |
| 07:26:40 | captain_proton | #ifdef __MWERKS__ |
| 07:26:41 | captain_proton | ifstream resourceStream(getConfigFileName(), ios::in); |
| 07:26:41 | captain_proton | #else |
| 07:26:41 | captain_proton | ifstream resourceStream(getConfigFileName(), ios::in); |
| 07:26:41 | captain_proton | #endif |
| 07:27:16 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:27:29 | MrApathyCream | code cleaning is always important |
| 07:28:54 | MrApathyCream | hopefully code cleaning can happen when we do other things, otherwise it's very demoralizing |
| 07:29:01 | MrApathyCream | <just to do that> |
| 07:29:09 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:29:55 | MrApathyCream | I really thing the key is to keep momentum up. You do that by keeping releases relatively small, and time-based |
| 07:30:20 | captain_proton | who cares if there's a release? |
| 07:30:27 | captain_proton | i just care that development is moving |
| 07:34:27 | MrApathyCream | releases are absolutley imperative to keep dev moving |
| 07:34:48 | MrApathyCream | well sounds hopeful.. gotta go to bed |
| 08:31:59 | Pinguin | SOMEONE: my gv is slow with displaying postscript file ... but gs itself is fast ... why? |
| 09:31:09 | fiberchunks | any developers on tonight? |
| 13:31:53 | ak|ra | mahlzeit |
| 13:34:37 | Wilinckx | can bzflag work with ESD? |
| 13:35:55 | ak|ra | dont know exactly but dont think so |
| 13:39:08 | Wilinckx | :-( |
| 13:39:44 | ak|ra | buy a sblive :) |
| 13:41:46 | Wilinckx | that's not the problem... I want to hear more than 1 sound toghater + bzflag must work |
| 13:43:03 | strayer | hi... :) |
| 13:45:14 | strayer | jzaun: awake? |
| 13:51:33 | ak|ra | Wilinckx: thats the problem -> sblive is able to run 32 simultan /dev/dsp accesses :) |
| 13:51:50 | Wilinckx | and how do I do that? |
| 13:51:54 | ak|ra | its esd / artsd on the soundcard and THEN you can hear the stuff :)) |
| 13:52:15 | Wilinckx | i c |
| 13:52:15 | ak|ra | just modprobe the driver |
| 13:52:18 | ak|ra | thats all |
| 13:52:24 | ak|ra | the driver handles this |
| 13:52:29 | Wilinckx | hm, don't want to buy one... |
| 13:52:42 | Wilinckx | is there no possibulitie to change the alsa driver for the ac97 card? |
| 13:53:00 | Wilinckx | the module "snd-via82xx" |
| 13:53:05 | ak|ra | ask alsa :) |
| 13:53:19 | Wilinckx | uhm |
| 13:53:24 | ak|ra | a new sblive is out there for aroun 45 euros .. or 45 $ ... |
| 13:53:40 | ak|ra | its worth the cost i did it almost 2 months ago |
| 13:54:10 | Wilinckx | yeah ok, but I'm not going to buy a card, just because that I can run the driver for that card |
| 13:55:01 | ak|ra | :) ask alsa but i dont think they will implement such stuff in the next time |
| 16:04:51 | bzdougg_ | lo |
| 16:05:06 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:05:31 | Patlabor221 | want some more music? :) |
| 16:06:36 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 16:06:40 | bzdougg_ | no... |
| 16:18:22 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 16:18:32 | Patlabor221 | realy I think you may like this |
| 16:18:42 | Patlabor221 | got it last night |
| 16:19:36 | bzdougg_ | oh? |
| 16:19:42 | sussudio | hanson? |
| 16:19:43 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 16:19:50 | Patlabor221 | no no |
| 16:19:53 | Patlabor221 | no crap like that |
| 16:20:02 | Patlabor221 | dot-hack.zip in my ftp |
| 16:20:06 | Patlabor221 | only 66 megs this time |
| 16:20:10 | Patlabor221 | and all ogg |
| 16:20:20 | bzdougg_ | ok |
| 16:20:26 | Patlabor221 | actualy some of it you won't like |
| 16:20:27 | Patlabor221 | some you will |
| 16:20:54 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 16:21:55 | Patlabor221 | you probalby just won't care for the obsession one |
| 16:22:11 | doughecka | 12 min left |
| 16:22:13 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:22:18 | doughecka | goes back to class |
| 16:22:20 | Patlabor221 | not to bad |
| 16:22:43 | bzdougg_ | k |
| 16:27:57 | Patlabor221 | ohh god... I have to do tech support today. Our entire TS department called in HungOver |
| 16:28:15 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 16:29:39 | bzdougg_ | hungover on holloween? |
| 16:30:11 | Patlabor221 | well the day after samhain sure |
| 16:30:18 | Patlabor221 | partys and all that |
| 16:30:46 | Patlabor221 | not everyone goes trick-or-treating you know |
| 16:30:46 | bzdougg_ | heh |
| 16:30:53 | bzdougg_ | I dint |
| 16:31:03 | Patlabor221 | suuuuuuurrrreeee you didn't |
| 16:31:33 | bzdougg_ | dint know it was holloween till I saw the Foxtrot comic |
| 16:31:40 | bzdougg_ | I forgot |
| 16:31:44 | Patlabor221 | that one was funny |
| 16:32:14 | bzdougg_ | hehe |
| 16:35:19 | bzdougg_ | ah, nothing compairs a REAL audio cd to mp3 |
| 16:35:44 | Patlabor221 | well except for size |
| 16:35:46 | captain_proton | except a 360kbps mp3 |
| 16:36:01 | Patlabor221 | booyea |
| 16:36:04 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 16:36:09 | Patlabor221 | cap dot-hack.zip on my ftp |
| 16:36:22 | Patlabor221 | oggs of the first .hack// soundtrack |
| 16:36:41 | captain_proton | just started pulling it |
| 16:36:48 | bzdougg_ | hopes his laptop can play OGG without stuttering |
| 16:36:59 | Patlabor221 | 133 |
| 16:37:02 | Patlabor221 | may be close |
| 16:37:23 | Patlabor221 | did you ever get that 500 working? |
| 16:37:31 | bzdougg_ | me? |
| 16:37:36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:37:37 | bzdougg_ | no |
| 16:37:42 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:37:52 | bzdougg_ | I am gonna get a second laptop january |
| 16:37:57 | bzdougg_ | hopefully |
| 16:40:13 | doughecka | 9 min to go |
| 16:40:39 | Patlabor221 | ponders allowing a skin file to specify n texture passes per mesh |
| 16:40:50 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 16:41:10 | Patlabor221 | with a list of combiners |
| 16:41:37 | Patlabor221 | I must see how Quake 3 did there shaders |
| 16:41:46 | bzdougg_ | pixal shaders? |
| 16:41:56 | Patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 16:42:00 | bzdougg_ | oh |
| 16:42:01 | Patlabor221 | it's a simiar concept |
| 16:42:12 | Patlabor221 | but they did it before hardware support was wide for those |
| 16:42:20 | Patlabor221 | so it's like a "mesh shader" |
| 16:42:22 | bzdougg_ | expects a geforce ti card included with each copy of bzflag |
| 16:42:24 | bzdougg_ | ah |
| 16:42:27 | bzdougg_ | I see |
| 16:42:40 | Patlabor221 | you define how to apply n textures to each mesh |
| 16:42:52 | Patlabor221 | and there were some options on how to vary it and stuff. |
| 16:43:01 | bzdougg_ | slick |
| 16:43:57 | Patlabor221 | just need that and a matrix interplator and then then class is done. |
| 16:44:40 | captain_proton | 'tricker' |
| 16:44:41 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 16:44:46 | Patlabor221 | baka |
| 16:44:58 | Patlabor221 | or techinacly baka^2 |
| 16:45:00 | bzdougg_ | ole! |
| 16:45:11 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 16:46:03 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 16:46:09 | bzdougg_ | wasn't me |
| 16:46:19 | Patlabor221 | you don't even know what the holiday is do you? |
| 16:46:45 | bzdougg_ | SATIN WORSHIP!!! |
| 16:46:53 | Patlabor221 | like i said, you have no clue |
| 16:46:54 | captain_proton | i like satin...its a good fabric |
| 16:46:56 | bzdougg_ | BWUHAHA... er,... |
| 16:47:20 | captain_proton | agrees with the baka-doug assertion |
| 16:47:29 | Patlabor221 | seems that nature is demonic to doug. |
| 16:47:44 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 16:48:12 | Patlabor221 | dosn't even know what a baka is |
| 16:48:38 | Patlabor221 | b4k4^2 is the best spelling :) |
| 16:48:49 | doughecka | last time I went trick-or-treaking was when I was 4 |
| 16:48:56 | bzdougg_ | same here |
| 16:49:12 | doughecka | 2 min remaining |
| 16:49:18 | Patlabor221 | hence proving my theroy that you have little to no social skills. |
| 16:49:29 | bzdougg_ | nods |
| 16:49:46 | Patlabor221 | you are soo geting your ass kicked when you go to college. |
| 16:50:02 | doughecka | when? |
| 16:50:08 | doughecka | ;) |
| 16:50:23 | Patlabor221 | ohh gonna home school that too? |
| 16:50:30 | doughecka | no |
| 16:50:36 | doughecka | I was "kidding" |
| 16:50:39 | captain_proton | haha |
| 16:50:51 | doughecka | some of the best people are homeschoolers |
| 16:50:58 | Patlabor221 | ohh going right into food service, ditch diging, and/or the military then? |
| 16:51:05 | doughecka | george washington was homeschoole |
| 16:51:11 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:51:23 | Patlabor221 | yeah that was when they didn't have shools |
| 16:51:29 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 16:51:44 | captain_proton | wanders off to class |
| 16:51:48 | doughecka | noodleman is homeschooled too |
| 16:52:17 | Patlabor221 | does he have socal skills? |
| 16:52:29 | Patlabor221 | and/or a barn? |
| 16:52:29 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:52:32 | doughecka | no |
| 16:52:43 | doughecka | he works at a ISP too... :) |
| 16:52:50 | doughecka | like that means anything... |
| 16:52:56 | Patlabor221 | no it dosn't |
| 16:53:08 | Patlabor221 | that means he can answer tech support |
| 16:53:14 | Patlabor221 | and that means he has NO socal skills |
| 16:53:17 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:53:27 | Patlabor221 | I wouldn't want to teach my kids, I want them to learn MORE then I know. |
| 16:53:38 | bzdougg_ | is that possible? |
| 16:53:40 | bzdougg_ | grins |
| 16:53:45 | Patlabor221 | definalty |
| 16:55:27 | doughecka | file downloaded, mission complete |
| 16:55:48 | doughecka | is away: turning off terminal |
| 16:57:17 | PerfectCell | doughecka: can i run the terminal services with a higher color resolution then 256 colors? |
| 16:57:27 | bzdougg_ | hmm |
| 16:57:30 | bzdougg_ | dont know |
| 16:57:41 | bzdougg_ | I never checked, but in XP its higher |
| 16:57:54 | PerfectCell | automatically? |
| 16:57:58 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 16:58:02 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:58:13 | bzdougg_ | I think, grafics are not as bad in XP as in 2000 |
| 16:58:14 | Patlabor221 | I think VNC and/or PC anywhere support more |
| 16:58:19 | bzdougg_ | through terminal |
| 16:59:05 | bzdougg_ | file copy complete, starting the first .hack file |
| 16:59:09 | PerfectCell | how do i copy data from a terminal to my local pc harddisk? |
| 16:59:23 | bzdougg_ | hmm, dont know, filesharing? |
| 16:59:41 | PerfectCell | hmm maybe |
| 16:59:43 | bzdougg_ | I think theres the "real" terminal client has file transfer |
| 16:59:55 | bzdougg_ | but the web version is control only |
| 17:00:04 | PerfectCell | ah |
| 17:01:55 | Patlabor221 | hmmm very interesting I must show this to cap when he returns |
| 17:03:23 | bzdougg_ | PerfectCell: unless its a client setting in the standalone client, it looks to be impossible |
| 17:04:00 | bzdougg_ | but this is for "administration" only, not applications |
| 17:04:34 | bzdougg_ | unless you switch to application support, I bet it gonne stay that way, admins dont need true color... ;) |
| 17:07:21 | PerfectCell | where is the client? :) |
| 17:07:33 | PerfectCell | cant find it |
| 17:08:04 | bzdougg_ | on your cd |
| 17:08:06 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:08:34 | PerfectCell | on my cd?, do i have to install the client seperately? |
| 17:08:41 | bzdougg_ | ick, my laptop burps with these ogg files |
| 17:08:55 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:09:02 | PerfectCell | k, thanks |
| 17:09:18 | bzdougg_ | you pop the cd into every computer you want to access your computer from |
| 17:09:26 | bzdougg_ | or you can use the web version |
| 17:09:29 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 17:10:06 | PerfectCell | yes i used the web version with a friend today, but i would need more colors |
| 17:10:12 | PerfectCell | so i try the client now |
| 17:10:12 | bzdougg_ | hmm |
| 17:11:06 | bzdougg_ | you could google for help... |
| 17:11:06 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:11:37 | PerfectCell | why not, i try |
| 17:11:48 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:12:25 | PerfectCell | is there also a terminal i can use from windows to work on a remote solaris os |
| 17:12:56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:13:04 | Patlabor221 | VNC |
| 17:13:05 | doughecka | dont know, it would have to be VNC I bet |
| 17:13:06 | PerfectCell | i mean i use ssh, but its shell based |
| 17:13:18 | Patlabor221 | VNC |
| 17:13:24 | PerfectCell | k |
| 17:13:49 | doughecka | does it have a xfree installed? or is it ONLY shell based? |
| 17:14:01 | doughecka | you would need to be root to install VNC too |
| 17:14:04 | PerfectCell | whats xfree? |
| 17:14:12 | doughecka | the linux windows manager |
| 17:14:18 | doughecka | window* |
| 17:14:20 | Patlabor221 | does it have a window manager |
| 17:14:23 | PerfectCell | no |
| 17:14:26 | Patlabor221 | doug only linux used X free |
| 17:14:38 | doughecka | then what does soloris use? |
| 17:14:39 | Patlabor221 | it's running irix? |
| 17:14:44 | Patlabor221 | not linux |
| 17:14:48 | PerfectCell | err |
| 17:14:52 | Patlabor221 | it uses irix |
| 17:14:54 | Patlabor221 | usualy |
| 17:14:58 | doughecka | checks google |
| 17:15:02 | PerfectCell | it has o win mngr of coz |
| 17:15:10 | PerfectCell | sparcs solaris |
| 17:15:14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:15:23 | doughecka | but does VNC work with it... |
| 17:15:23 | Patlabor221 | you would need to find a VNC server for that |
| 17:15:31 | Patlabor221 | then you could run the VNC client |
| 17:15:35 | Patlabor221 | on any machine |
| 17:15:39 | PerfectCell | i dont have admin rights |
| 17:15:42 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 17:15:46 | Patlabor221 | then you are screwed |
| 17:15:50 | PerfectCell | shit |
| 17:15:59 | Patlabor221 | unless they allready set VNC up |
| 17:16:02 | bzdougg_ | unless you can a) talk them into it |
| 17:16:10 | PerfectCell | what port does it use? |
| 17:16:17 | Patlabor221 | it's configurable |
| 17:16:22 | PerfectCell | k |
| 17:16:57 | bzdougg_ | b) figure out how to export the windows manager to your computer... near impossible I bet |
| 17:17:28 | Patlabor221 | "export" |
| 17:17:34 | Patlabor221 | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 17:17:37 | PerfectCell | sunhalle2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de |
| 17:18:06 | bzdougg_ | like in xfree |
| 17:18:24 | Patlabor221 | stop calling it X free |
| 17:18:26 | Patlabor221 | it's just X |
| 17:18:36 | Patlabor221 | other systems run regular X |
| 17:18:36 | PerfectCell | can i port scan for VNC |
| 17:18:38 | bzdougg_ | you can "export" a windows to any other computer |
| 17:18:39 | Patlabor221 | and do the same thing |
| 17:18:42 | bzdougg_ | window* |
| 17:19:16 | Patlabor221 | what does it do when you "export" |
| 17:19:48 | bzdougg_ | it puts the windows output onto YOUR screen |
| 17:19:52 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 17:19:55 | bzdougg_ | its confusing |
| 17:20:02 | bzdougg_ | took me an hour to get it to work |
| 17:21:16 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 17:21:32 | Patlabor221 | using VNC? |
| 17:21:36 | Patlabor221 | web |
| 17:21:51 | Patlabor221 | what did you have to do on "YOUR" screen? |
| 17:22:33 | bzdougg_ | you have to be running X on your computer first |
| 17:22:41 | bzdougg_ | and on the remote computer |
| 17:22:46 | bzdougg_ | and you SSH in |
| 17:22:51 | PerfectCell | i now that backdoor progs like sub/ can do thata too |
| 17:22:57 | PerfectCell | sub7 |
| 17:23:34 | bzdougg_ | and run a program exporting its output to your ip address, making it pop up on your screen |
| 17:23:47 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 17:23:51 | bzdougg_ | I dont know how it works |
| 17:23:51 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:23:58 | bzdougg_ | but it worked for me ouch |
| 17:24:02 | Patlabor221 | that's just a regular feature of X |
| 17:24:05 | bzdougg_ | once* |
| 17:24:05 | Patlabor221 | yeah got it now |
| 17:24:12 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:24:16 | Patlabor221 | all X systems allow user logins |
| 17:24:33 | Patlabor221 | that's the entire reason OpenGL is soo funky sometimes |
| 17:25:00 | bzdougg_ | yay, there is a VNC for soloris |
| 17:25:10 | doughecka | http://www.realvnc.com/download.html |
| 17:27:08 | bzdougg_ | but VNC is not quite the same as terminal |
| 17:27:21 | bzdougg_ | terminal you can login through it |
| 17:27:34 | bzdougg_ | vnc takes a bit of configuration to get it to log people in |
| 17:28:40 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 17:30:41 | PerfectCell | my father told me that ms net meeting can do tthe same thing as terminal services, i mean export the desktop |
| 17:30:58 | Patlabor221 | it can show you what is hapening |
| 17:31:16 | Patlabor221 | term services let you do more tho |
| 17:31:27 | Patlabor221 | like run an app on the server but have access to your local stuff |
| 17:31:28 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:31:39 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 17:31:49 | bzdougg_ | net meeting requires the person be logged in as the current user |
| 17:32:06 | bzdougg_ | terminal is a terminal, allowing people to login... |
| 17:32:19 | PerfectCell | k |
| 17:32:24 | Patlabor221 | netmeeting is more for active colaboration |
| 17:32:41 | bzdougg_ | yea, like to conferences, all 10 people can draw |
| 17:32:44 | bzdougg_ | on the screen |
| 17:33:03 | PerfectCell | but its slow? |
| 17:33:08 | bzdougg_ | wonders if there is any .hack songs of low bit rate |
| 17:33:10 | bzdougg_ | sorta |
| 17:33:19 | bzdougg_ | worse than terminal for sure |
| 17:33:28 | bzdougg_ | more like VNC I bet, but I never used it |
| 17:33:53 | bzdougg_ | but then it might have the same code as terminal... |
| 17:33:58 | Patlabor221 | shared white boards are fast |
| 17:34:09 | Patlabor221 | often they don't share desktops |
| 17:34:24 | bzdougg_ | indeed, but if you want your whole desktop, its slow... |
| 17:34:26 | Patlabor221 | and it's more used for video confrencing. |
| 17:34:38 | bzdougg_ | yea... |
| 17:35:18 | PerfectCell | how does video conferencing work, i mean who is allowed to talk |
| 17:35:50 | bzdougg_ | both people |
| 17:36:04 | PerfectCell | so it supports only two? |
| 17:36:08 | bzdougg_ | you have theres video input, they have yours, and you just.. talk |
| 17:36:16 | bzdougg_ | PerfectCell: maybe more, I dont know |
| 17:36:19 | bzdougg_ | never used it |
| 17:36:39 | bzdougg_ | I bet it has a "group" thingy, and you just have ALL video inputs |
| 17:36:44 | bzdougg_ | or something |
| 17:36:59 | bzdougg_ | sheesh, these oggs sucks the very life out of me laptop |
| 17:38:49 | bzdougg_ | I need a deticated OGG player. winamp takes too much for the gui |
| 17:39:47 | PerfectCell | would it be possible for me to host a website on my server if i get disconnected every 24 hours and get a new dynamic ip? |
| 17:40:18 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:40:24 | bzdougg_ | http://www.no-ip.com |
| 17:40:33 | bzdougg_ | you run a little proggy that updates the ip for ya |
| 17:40:44 | PerfectCell | cool, thanks |
| 17:41:22 | PerfectCell | then i can run asp now |
| 17:41:44 | bzdougg_ | heh |
| 17:41:44 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:41:51 | PerfectCell | instead of cgi from school |
| 17:42:02 | bzdougg_ | asp needs a static ip? |
| 17:42:13 | PerfectCell | no |
| 17:42:14 | bzdougg_ | no-ip just gives you a domain |
| 17:42:23 | bzdougg_ | and it updates the ip it routes to |
| 17:42:34 | PerfectCell | yes so i can use IIS |
| 17:42:38 | PerfectCell | on my server |
| 17:42:42 | PerfectCell | instead of apache |
| 17:42:46 | bzdougg_ | ah |
| 17:42:49 | PerfectCell | at school |
| 17:43:38 | bzdougg_ | greetings BZFlag |
| 17:44:28 | bzdougg_ | theres a OGG player for a playstation 2 |
| 17:44:46 | bzdougg_ | theres also Xboxes and playsations here for 150 bucks |
| 17:45:16 | PerfectCell | where is here? |
| 17:45:32 | bzdougg_ | louisvile |
| 17:45:44 | PerfectCell | never heard |
| 17:45:50 | bzdougg_ | kentucky |
| 17:45:52 | bzdougg_ | USA |
| 17:45:54 | bzdougg_ | planet earth |
| 17:45:59 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 17:46:17 | bzdougg_ | on the western side of the galaxy |
| 17:46:22 | Patlabor221 | doug, they refurbs? |
| 17:46:38 | bzdougg_ | um |
| 17:46:41 | bzdougg_ | returns |
| 17:46:41 | Patlabor221 | or rebate ones? |
| 17:46:43 | bzdougg_ | I think |
| 17:46:45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:46:48 | Patlabor221 | refurbs |
| 17:46:50 | bzdougg_ | its at walmart and the boxes are open |
| 17:46:55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:46:56 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 17:47:02 | Patlabor221 | we have the same thing here at EB |
| 17:47:08 | bzdougg_ | heh |
| 17:47:25 | Patlabor221 | but I allrady gots my x-box |
| 17:47:28 | bzdougg_ | hmm, I wont get a XBOX till they get linux running with vmware and 3d grafics support |
| 17:47:40 | Patlabor221 | why not just use a PC? |
| 17:47:44 | bzdougg_ | FULl 3d grafics support |
| 17:47:56 | bzdougg_ | same reason I wont get a xbox |
| 17:48:10 | PerfectCell | xbox game are boring |
| 17:48:17 | bzdougg_ | I can get a pc thats twice as fast |
| 17:48:45 | bzdougg_ | PerfectCell: if they can get linux running on it with full opengl support, then it would be VERY nice indeed |
| 17:48:56 | bzdougg_ | playing ut2k3 on it... |
| 17:48:57 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:49:18 | bzdougg_ | then install WineX or whatever its called and play some windows games too |
| 17:49:30 | PerfectCell | what a crap |
| 17:50:40 | bzdougg_ | heh |
| 17:50:40 | Patlabor221 | doug that won't happen |
| 17:50:44 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:50:47 | Patlabor221 | its just a GF3 in there |
| 17:50:54 | Patlabor221 | and cell not all of them are booring |
| 17:51:02 | Patlabor221 | you jsut have odd tates |
| 17:51:02 | bzdougg_ | only a gf3? |
| 17:51:07 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 17:51:09 | bzdougg_ | is it a gf3ti? |
| 17:51:17 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:51:20 | bzdougg_ | anything odd about it? |
| 17:51:26 | Patlabor221 | it's a specal one |
| 17:51:31 | bzdougg_ | like? |
| 17:51:32 | Patlabor221 | but it's a basic GF3 |
| 17:51:39 | bzdougg_ | hmm |
| 17:51:41 | Patlabor221 | custom shader API comamnds for the box |
| 17:51:54 | Patlabor221 | it uses the shared mem architecure. |
| 17:52:03 | bzdougg_ | ah |
| 17:52:15 | bzdougg_ | hard to get working in linux then? |
| 17:52:17 | Patlabor221 | basicly stuff to make work work on the xobx |
| 17:52:25 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 17:52:29 | Patlabor221 | GL will be a pain |
| 17:52:37 | Patlabor221 | since you can't run the standard nvidia drivers |
| 17:52:46 | Patlabor221 | and it's only go 32 megs of ram |
| 17:52:53 | Patlabor221 | got not go |
| 17:53:04 | bzdougg_ | ah |
| 17:53:05 | Patlabor221 | do don't expect it to do a lot of things |
| 17:53:10 | bzdougg_ | k |
| 17:53:21 | Patlabor221 | they won't put X on it |
| 17:53:25 | Patlabor221 | there would be no point |
| 17:53:37 | Patlabor221 | at best somone would get an SDL implementaion down for it |
| 17:53:46 | bzdougg_ | thated be nice... |
| 17:53:51 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:54:02 | Patlabor221 | but apps would still have to be compiled for it |
| 17:54:09 | PerfectCell | ibot help |
| 17:54:10 | Patlabor221 | the CPU is a bit difrent too |
| 17:54:18 | Patlabor221 | and it dosn't have a regular PC bios |
| 17:54:21 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:54:21 | Patlabor221 | it's NOT a PC |
| 17:54:29 | bzdougg_ | shrugs |
| 17:54:31 | Patlabor221 | it won't run PC apps |
| 17:54:32 | bzdougg_ | its a console |
| 17:54:43 | Patlabor221 | it just uses some PC parts |
| 17:55:20 | Patlabor221 | and it's not like you can format the drive |
| 17:55:25 | Patlabor221 | and just install linux on it |
| 17:55:29 | Patlabor221 | then the games wouldn't work |
| 17:56:07 | bzdougg_ | would it be possible to make, in bzflag, buildings that you can blow chucks out of? |
| 17:56:17 | bzdougg_ | and wholes through? |
| 17:56:19 | bzdougg_ | hole* |
| 17:56:21 | bzdougg_ | s |
| 17:56:21 | Patlabor221 | thecinaly yes |
| 17:56:32 | bzdougg_ | oh? is it too hard? |
| 17:56:38 | Patlabor221 | it's not fast |
| 17:56:49 | Patlabor221 | and there would be net isssues |
| 17:56:59 | Patlabor221 | making sure that all players have the same world state |
| 17:57:02 | bzdougg_ | it would be neat to have a super bullet that punches through a wall and it crumbles after it |
| 17:57:05 | Patlabor221 | would increase data |
| 17:57:06 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 17:57:12 | bzdougg_ | but it would be slick looking |
| 17:57:16 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 17:57:17 | Patlabor221 | syncing that would be a bitch |
| 17:57:35 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather stop the cheating first. |
| 17:58:07 | Patlabor221 | also the more shot up something got the more triangles it gets |
| 17:58:16 | Patlabor221 | and the slower it renders. |
| 17:58:20 | bzdougg_ | yea... |
| 17:58:25 | bzdougg_ | you could have it a server option |
| 17:58:37 | captain_proton | mmmm |
| 17:58:38 | Patlabor221 | it would kill all software imlementations |
| 17:58:41 | captain_proton | coffee makes the world go round |
| 17:58:42 | Patlabor221 | like to DEATH. |
| 17:58:50 | scanline | is back (gone 13:17:54) |
| 17:58:51 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 17:59:22 | bzdougg_ | but how hard would it be to make decals on the walls like in UT? |
| 17:59:23 | dinah | wonders if the all-knowing proton can say yes or no to porting BZFlag to palm |
| 17:59:42 | bzdougg_ | like you shoot and it leaves a little "ding" in the wall |
| 17:59:46 | captain_proton | dinah: if you want, go ahead ;) |
| 17:59:55 | Patlabor221 | it is posible |
| 17:59:59 | Patlabor221 | just not easy |
| 18:00:01 | captain_proton | i'm not sure that palm hardware has an FPU |
| 18:00:04 | bzdougg_ | patches welcome (copyright 2002 BZFlag |
| 18:00:06 | captain_proton | so you'd have to emulate |
| 18:00:17 | captain_proton | but you could make a 2d-ish client |
| 18:00:19 | bzdougg_ | Patlabor221: hmm |
| 18:00:21 | Patlabor221 | or get a fixed point lib |
| 18:00:34 | bzdougg_ | adds decals to the todo list |
| 18:00:42 | Patlabor221 | cap: the GL implemenation used a math lib, I think it handles the FPU emulations. |
| 18:00:44 | dinah | well it wouldnt have to be a pretty, even wireframe would be alright |
| 18:01:13 | Patlabor221 | I didn't see a sockets implementaion for it |
| 18:01:25 | captain_proton | you'd have to convert all the values coming off the net to fixed-point then |
| 18:01:29 | Patlabor221 | doug: WTF are decals? |
| 18:02:01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: decal texturing mode |
| 18:02:10 | Patlabor221 | doug can't be talking about that |
| 18:02:22 | Patlabor221 | he's a b4k4^2 |
| 18:02:34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i think he picked up the term without really knowing what it means |
| 18:02:39 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 18:02:41 | bzdougg_ | I know what it means |
| 18:02:43 | Patlabor221 | but that does remind me |
| 18:02:50 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: ok, what does it mean? |
| 18:03:04 | Patlabor221 | adds a texture mode field |
| 18:03:07 | bzdougg_ | um |
| 18:03:08 | captain_proton | waits |
| 18:03:24 | dinah | giggles |
| 18:04:20 | bzdougg_ | a texture ontop of another texture? like a, um, decal? |
| 18:04:27 | bzdougg_ | :P |
| 18:04:54 | captain_proton | i rest my case |
| 18:05:52 | captain_proton | puts on the mahler 'songs on the death of children' ... a little light music |
| 18:06:18 | dinah | wow, no one and i mean no one, likes mahler |
| 18:06:26 | dinah | im impressed |
| 18:07:27 | captain_proton | how can someone not like mahler? |
| 18:07:59 | dinah | what, never read one of those "reviews" of a mahler symphony |
| 18:08:27 | captain_proton | a lot of critics can't last through a mahler symphony |
| 18:08:27 | bzdougg_ | whats mahler sound like? |
| 18:08:49 | Chestal | proton: oggs welcome :-) |
| 18:09:15 | dinah | rifles through her LP's |
| 18:09:15 | captain_proton | Chestal: i lost that script again, gimme the line and i'll ogg 'em up |
| 18:09:47 | Chestal | I'll also accept mp3s, just want to listen to some of it |
| 18:09:54 | captain_proton | ahh, k |
| 18:10:01 | captain_proton | any preference on which? |
| 18:10:41 | Chestal | just choose one, I'm not sure that I ever heard anythign from Mahler |
| 18:11:24 | dinah | gives Chestal a big kiss, prepare to be dazzled |
| 18:12:01 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:12:01 | bzdougg_ | captain_proton: could ya send me something too? |
| 18:12:13 | captain_proton | uploads the 6th symphony to a webserver |
| 18:12:25 | dinah | ohhhh nice choice |
| 18:12:27 | bzdougg_ | no DCC? |
| 18:13:12 | dinah | DCC, for something that long! ha! |
| 18:13:13 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: then i can just have you guys download it on your own |
| 18:13:29 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/music/symphony_06_tragic/ |
| 18:13:35 | bzdougg_ | no bzflag.net? |
| 18:13:52 | captain_proton | bzflag.net is my personal machine |
| 18:13:55 | captain_proton | no webserver running on it |
| 18:14:00 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 18:14:10 | bzdougg_ | then wheres this? |
| 18:14:25 | captain_proton | elsewhere |
| 18:14:28 | captain_proton | thats why i said 'upload' |
| 18:15:24 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 18:15:27 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 18:16:17 | captain_proton | this music is probably too exciting and emotional for bzdougg_ to like |
| 18:16:22 | BZFlag | bzdougg_: nope. you can grab it if you want. then port bzflag to .NET in your spare time. |
| 18:16:30 | bzdougg_ | 24 min left? |
| 18:16:32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hehe |
| 18:16:47 | bzdougg_ | BZFlag: ? |
| 18:17:02 | BZFlag | I gotta run... back later. |
| 18:17:36 | bzdougg_ | oh... lol |
| 18:23:17 | Patlabor221 | gahhhh I hate doing tech support. |
| 18:24:03 | sussudio | muhaha |
| 18:24:29 | doughecka | PerfectCell: heres your new sparc machine! |
| 18:24:30 | doughecka | http://hw.tadpole.com/html/products/mobile/sparcbook6500/ |
| 18:25:20 | captain_proton | hmm tadpole |
| 18:25:27 | captain_proton | wonders if naturetech has anything new |
| 18:25:34 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:26:44 | doughecka | is away: lunch |
| 18:26:50 | captain_proton | holy crap they just announced their new lappie |
| 18:27:07 | captain_proton | Features highlighted are Magnesium-Alloy Chassis, dual Ethernet ports (10/100), type II PCMCIA slot and one Ultra 2 SCSI port, expandable memory up to 2GB (ECC) and 120GB HDD storage capacity |
| 18:27:29 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm allllys |
| 18:27:32 | captain_proton | list price from $8-9000 |
| 18:27:51 | Patlabor221 | that is sepensive |
| 18:28:16 | sussudio | don't forget the 2 hour battery life |
| 18:31:28 | PerfectCell | u **ck |
| 18:31:42 | PerfectCell | bad sound |
| 18:33:44 | PerfectCell | i want to get rid of computers and all that electronic trash as fast as i can aford it |
| 18:33:57 | PerfectCell | it sucks ^2 |
| 18:37:24 | Mayhem | dammit, why does bzflag keep doing that to me! |
| 18:37:59 | Mayhem | mumble, mumble, mumble |
| 18:38:16 | sussudio | doug did it |
| 18:38:29 | PerfectCell | im seriously thinking of switching to something else, that has nothing to do with computers, but i have no idea what i can do instead |
| 18:39:04 | PerfectCell | its just making me ill |
| 18:39:25 | sussudio | the fact that youre typing this on a computer is called 'irony' i think |
| 18:39:27 | PerfectCell | instead of making me better |
| 18:39:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:07) |
| 18:39:36 | Chestal | PerfectCell: I know how you feel. But I fear when you do something else, you have to work real hard |
| 18:39:49 | PerfectCell | thats what i fear too |
| 18:40:07 | PerfectCell | cause im too deep in it |
| 18:41:03 | PerfectCell | i mean im already done with uni, writing my diploma, but realizing seriously i choose the wrong |
| 18:41:04 | Chestal | PerfectCell: you're doomed |
| 18:41:53 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 18:43:00 | PerfectCell | sadly, but i kick myself out somehow |
| 18:47:12 | Patlabor221 | bets scanline want's to port BZ to the palm, he loves those little devices :) |
| 18:47:37 | scanline | PalmOS? bleh :P |
| 18:47:48 | scanline | I'd rather port it to the Dreamcast |
| 18:48:25 | Patlabor221 | well there is a SDL port to the CD |
| 18:48:26 | Patlabor221 | DC |
| 18:49:01 | Patlabor221 | god our customers are sooooooooooo flipin stupid!!!! |
| 18:49:04 | scanline | If you mean under linux, there's no OpenGL acceleration yet, and I don't know of any SDL port to KOS yet |
| 18:49:31 | Patlabor221 | I don't recall what OS they were tlaking about |
| 18:49:43 | PerfectCell | my friend told me there is a playstation emulator for DC, i personally really liked the DC, it was Sega's best console, a pitty it was not that popular |
| 18:50:01 | scanline | uh huh. The playstation emulator is commercial though |
| 18:50:10 | doughecka | really? |
| 18:50:17 | PerfectCell | *bleem |
| 18:50:17 | Patlabor221 | BLEEEEEM! |
| 18:50:24 | Patlabor221 | bleemcast specificly |
| 18:50:37 | doughecka | the playstation 1 it emulates? |
| 18:50:39 | Patlabor221 | does better PS1 emulation then the PS2 |
| 18:50:43 | doughecka | or PS 2? |
| 18:50:46 | Patlabor221 | PS1 |
| 18:50:47 | PerfectCell | u could alos play the snes games on that:) |
| 18:50:49 | doughecka | or both? |
| 18:50:52 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:50:55 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 18:50:55 | Patlabor221 | PS2 on a DC please |
| 18:51:01 | scanline | haha |
| 18:51:04 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:51:12 | doughecka | is there a PS2 emaultor? |
| 18:51:13 | scanline | emulating the PS2 on the DC would be genious on a stick |
| 18:51:15 | doughecka | for the PC? |
| 18:51:17 | Patlabor221 | yes there is a version of SNES98 for DC too |
| 18:51:23 | Patlabor221 | and slower then shit |
| 18:51:33 | scanline | snex9x for the dreamcast is faster now, but still somewhat slow |
| 18:51:35 | doughecka | how slow is that? |
| 18:51:40 | scanline | NesterDC is really nice though |
| 18:51:41 | Patlabor221 | it's lik 80% |
| 18:52:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:52:08 | Patlabor221 | I was very happy when I could play FF6 on the DC |
| 18:52:10 | PerfectCell | zsnes is best, but i dont know if its dor DC too |
| 18:52:13 | doughecka | is away: golfing class |
| 18:52:25 | scanline | PerfectCell: definitely not, zsnes is almost 100% x86 assembler |
| 18:52:36 | PerfectCell | FF2(us) was my favority, this game was so great |
| 18:52:49 | scanline | so no zsnes on dreamcast, tuxscreen, zaurus, ipaq, or macintosh |
| 18:53:10 | PerfectCell | what instruction set does DC use? |
| 18:53:12 | scanline | hi BZFlag |
| 18:53:18 | scanline | PerfectCell: it's a SH4 |
| 18:53:24 | PerfectCell | ah |
| 18:54:15 | Patlabor221 | with a powerVR kinda 3d chip |
| 18:54:23 | scanline | yeah |
| 18:54:44 | Patlabor221 | remember the saturn? with it's like 5 chips you had to address async. |
| 18:55:02 | PerfectCell | it had to cpu's |
| 18:55:03 | scanline | yep, never did any development for the saturn though |
| 18:55:06 | PerfectCell | 2 |
| 18:55:11 | scanline | nods |
| 18:55:20 | scanline | My favorite was still the original gameboy |
| 18:55:39 | Patlabor221 | metroid 2 |
| 18:55:57 | PerfectCell | my favorite is killer instinct arcade from rare, this game rocked |
| 18:56:19 | Patlabor221 | please that was just a button masher |
| 18:56:26 | Patlabor221 | he who knew the combos won |
| 18:56:38 | Patlabor221 | makes sense tho since you like DBZ |
| 18:57:04 | PerfectCell | oh, man it had so cool graphics,a nd the players went crazy, great charecters |
| 18:57:25 | PerfectCell | great renderings |
| 18:57:55 | PerfectCell | and the combo system was the best i ever saw |
| 18:58:59 | PerfectCell | killer instinct 2 was a looser baby |
| 18:59:12 | PerfectCell | worse as hell |
| 19:00:05 | Patlabor221 | it was all pre-renderd |
| 19:00:17 | Patlabor221 | and was about grunting |
| 19:00:27 | Patlabor221 | and you never got to see orchids boobs |
| 19:00:35 | PerfectCell | u got |
| 19:00:44 | Patlabor221 | Now Tobal #1 that was a good fighter |
| 19:01:24 | Patlabor221 | tho I'd say the best would have to be soul calaber |
| 19:01:25 | captain_proton | ponders something to hack at |
| 19:01:28 | PerfectCell | i loved thief thunder, sabre wulf and eydol, uh uh uh ah uh uh uh ah 100 hut comboooooooo |
| 19:01:47 | Patlabor221 | yup dbz fan all the way |
| 19:02:01 | Patlabor221 | depth is better then flash |
| 19:03:44 | captain_proton | hmm...LGE BZFlag? |
| 19:03:55 | PerfectCell | there was a possibility to make endless hit combo with chief thunder(the combo counter went only to 99 :)), that was so gereat |
| 19:03:55 | Patlabor221 | shhhhhhhhhhhhh.... |
| 19:04:04 | Patlabor221 | that is not good gameplay |
| 19:04:34 | Patlabor221 | cap: I got the flag waving in it :) |
| 19:04:57 | Patlabor221 | it needs pannel manager |
| 19:05:01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not XL, i'm talking about BZFlag |
| 19:05:13 | Patlabor221 | XL could be made like regular bz |
| 19:06:42 | captain_proton | hmm, LGE needs a way to define viewports via glScissor and separate cameras |
| 19:08:18 | Mayhem | anyone been on ducati today? |
| 19:09:18 | Chestal | ducati isn't working, file server is down |
| 19:09:50 | Mayhem | aha, I see. Thought it was just the internet in this part of the world still borked. |
| 19:12:17 | Patlabor221 | cap: would that be part of LGE or part of the the client app, since it's the same for each OS |
| 19:12:46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, LGE does all the camera setup already, seems like it fits in there well |
| 19:12:49 | Patlabor221 | cap: I thought about making a utility lib that had common openGL stuff like that, and it could be used with LGE,but would not need to be ported |
| 19:12:57 | Patlabor221 | yeah it could go in there |
| 19:13:06 | Patlabor221 | tho that camera stuff is limited |
| 19:13:10 | captain_proton | true |
| 19:13:18 | Patlabor221 | I usualy set it to identity and do my own |
| 19:13:23 | captain_proton | perhaps we should rip out the camera stuff into a separate lib and make it powerful? |
| 19:13:32 | Mayhem | any suggestions on where I should start dabbling in the source? |
| 19:13:52 | captain_proton | Mayhem: anywhere you want |
| 19:14:01 | captain_proton | use the 1.7 branch though, looks like we're dropping down |
| 19:14:10 | Mayhem | yeah, thats a bit broad though. |
| 19:14:23 | Patlabor221 | cap: that would proalbalby be easyer. The default cam state of LGE shuold be identity. |
| 19:14:24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh, this music kicks ass :) |
| 19:14:27 | Patlabor221 | or XY idenitry |
| 19:14:33 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 19:14:38 | Mayhem | was wondering what tim or crs or chestals thoughts on that were |
| 19:14:39 | Patlabor221 | I like the one called "the world" |
| 19:15:17 | Patlabor221 | mayhem what do you want to dable in? |
| 19:15:20 | captain_proton | Mayhem: nobody really cares. code what you want to code. any of use (tim, chestal, me) can answer most questions you'll run into |
| 19:15:38 | Patlabor221 | I will just mock you, tho. |
| 19:15:47 | Mayhem | heh |
| 19:15:57 | captain_proton | if there's something specific you want to do, i can probably point you towards the relevant source files |
| 19:16:01 | Patlabor221 | unless it's oposet day, then cap will mock you. :) |
| 19:16:21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'm in a good mood today. got myself a jalapeno bagel and a large supply of coffee |
| 19:16:29 | Mayhem | I don't have a specific area I want to do... |
| 19:16:35 | Patlabor221 | that would be double ick |
| 19:17:12 | Mayhem | is there a particular direction we are heading with the code? (apart from the millions of todo suggestions) |
| 19:17:42 | captain_proton | well, we're still trying to decide |
| 19:18:14 | captain_proton | from a user perspective, we need some netcode enhancements to make it more playable on slower connections and anti-cheating (means moving a lot into the server) |
| 19:18:38 | captain_proton | from a developer perspective, we need to clean up the source and rearchitect a good amount of it to make future enhancements easier |
| 19:18:48 | Mayhem | I'm interested in the server/netcode stuff... and cleanups of course :) |
| 19:18:58 | dinah | from a user perspective we need a palmos port so i can play on-the-go ;) |
| 19:19:11 | Mayhem | thats why I started looking at 1.8... cause thats where I thought it was heading |
| 19:19:29 | Patlabor221 | looks like 1.8 may die and go back to a 1.7 |
| 19:19:33 | captain_proton | yep |
| 19:19:36 | Patlabor221 | that is one of the current discusions |
| 19:19:41 | Mayhem | yeah, I've been following the discussions :) |
| 19:20:03 | captain_proton | from what tim said last night, looks like the existing 1.8 will be tagged as 'experimental' and 1.7 will become HEAD again |
| 19:20:05 | Mayhem | am trying to condense my thoughts down... too many words :) |
| 19:20:21 | Sniper50 | Anybody knows whats up with the ducati server? |
| 19:20:33 | captain_proton | <Chestal> ducati isn't working, file server is down |
| 19:20:41 | Sniper50 | ok thx |
| 19:21:44 | Mayhem | do you think the restructuring will be possible with 1.7? |
| 19:22:00 | captain_proton | why wouldn't it be? |
| 19:22:02 | Mayhem | usually lots get broken... |
| 19:22:53 | Mayhem | twill take a long time of small changes. |
| 19:22:56 | captain_proton | well, it will mean that when we want to do something big a group of people will have to participate |
| 19:23:10 | Mayhem | I liked how 1.8 threw out lots and changed lots at once |
| 19:23:44 | captain_proton | nobody else was willing to learn about the new code to work on it :P |
| 19:23:45 | Patlabor221 | but what it changed it to was messyer |
| 19:23:52 | captain_proton | that too |
| 19:24:03 | Patlabor221 | and imcomplete |
| 19:24:11 | Mayhem | heh, I didn't want to have to learn the 1.7 code, which I thought was messier! |
| 19:24:12 | Patlabor221 | and a tad ill conceved |
| 19:24:30 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 dosn't even have all the features from 1.7 |
| 19:24:35 | captain_proton | 1.7 is messier in some ways (like *shudder* AList and BzfString) |
| 19:25:18 | Mayhem | Patlabor221: that'd be cause its not finished, all the breakage from the changes hadn't been fixed? |
| 19:25:50 | Mayhem | Patlabor221: but if it was, would it be a better base for future devel? |
| 19:25:52 | Patlabor221 | no it dosn't even have a LIGHTING method |
| 19:26:08 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it would be from a world DB standpoint |
| 19:26:23 | Mayhem | k |
| 19:26:38 | captain_proton | i think the BZDB stuff is good, and the couple network changes that were made are good |
| 19:27:04 | Mayhem | agreed |
| 19:27:37 | Mayhem | so, I guess getting that into 1.7 is a good priority... |
| 19:27:54 | scanline | ha |
| 19:28:09 | captain_proton | scanline: you have something to contribute? ;) |
| 19:28:14 | scanline | yep, a "ha" |
| 19:28:18 | Mayhem | hehe |
| 19:28:50 | captain_proton | scanline: what are your plans for the weekend? i was thinking of renting the blob tonight |
| 19:29:31 | scanline | Well, I was planning on taking a 7 hour drive to visit a friend in Fort Lewis, but gonkulator cancelled that on account of the weather, so no plans |
| 19:29:47 | Mayhem | is breaking backward compatability with the net code a big concern? |
| 19:29:57 | captain_proton | Mayhem: not anymore |
| 19:30:05 | Mayhem | not anymore? |
| 19:30:36 | captain_proton | well before it was (on the 1.7 branch) because for some reason we wanted to have 4 years of compatible releases |
| 19:31:03 | Mayhem | hehe, hey, I've been playing for all those 4 years, I might wanna be compatible :) |
| 19:31:46 | sussudio | COOL! |
| 19:32:00 | sussudio | an entire section of a city is under live current right now |
| 19:32:11 | captain_proton | scanline: was gonkey planning on coming up? it sounded like he was |
| 19:32:12 | sussudio | current on ground |
| 19:32:19 | scanline | captain_proton: not that I know of |
| 19:32:30 | scanline | captain_proton: I'll bug him if I see him online |
| 19:32:46 | Mayhem | sussudio: I don't follow... |
| 19:33:12 | sussudio | Mayhem: i'm guessing someone at the powercompany switched PLUS and GROUND..... |
| 19:33:20 | sussudio | so anything they touch now......... ZZAAAAAAAAAAP |
| 19:33:31 | Mayhem | ah, gotcha. |
| 19:33:51 | Mayhem | that wasn't clear from what you'd said :) |
| 19:34:25 | captain_proton | fears the potential |
| 19:34:56 | sussudio | whoa fuck |
| 19:35:02 | sussudio | they put 380 on ground |
| 19:35:16 | sussudio | "do not attempt to shower" |
| 19:35:22 | Mayhem | volts? wow! |
| 19:35:28 | sussudio | i think they can manage that |
| 19:35:31 | sussudio | 220 is normal here |
| 19:35:44 | sussudio | 380 is used only for heavy machinery |
| 19:35:47 | sussudio | it's mucho amps |
| 19:35:57 | Mayhem | yep |
| 19:36:15 | Mayhem | where abouts is this? |
| 19:36:39 | sussudio | cowcountry near the german border |
| 19:36:48 | sussudio | m00 |
| 19:36:55 | Mayhem | :) |
| 19:37:14 | Mayhem | feeds the cow some grass |
| 19:40:02 | captain_proton | sussudio: it just means that the power lines are running at -160V |
| 19:40:49 | sussudio | m00? |
| 19:41:31 | sussudio | i've had 130 here once |
| 19:41:35 | sussudio | it looked weird |
| 19:41:44 | sussudio | substation was on fire or something |
| 19:43:25 | Mayhem | well, I'm going. Shall 'dabble' with bzfs this weekend methinks. |
| 19:44:05 | Mayhem | cya all |
| 19:44:50 | Patlabor221 | ok Cap: tell me if this is cool for a "skin" type shader system |
| 19:45:00 | Patlabor221 | for each mess, you can specify |
| 19:45:11 | Patlabor221 | n texture passes |
| 19:45:15 | Patlabor221 | for each pass: |
| 19:45:22 | Patlabor221 | the texture. |
| 19:45:24 | Patlabor221 | the mode |
| 19:45:30 | Patlabor221 | the blend func |
| 19:45:55 | Patlabor221 | wether or not to generate the TCs or use the models |
| 19:46:03 | Patlabor221 | how to cull |
| 19:46:29 | Patlabor221 | and wther or not to test from the depth buffer and/or write to it |
| 19:47:07 | captain_proton | sounds decent |
| 19:47:20 | Patlabor221 | and a model can have n meshes |
| 19:47:44 | Patlabor221 | and n animation frames |
| 19:47:55 | scanline | animation frames for each texture pass |
| 19:48:03 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:48:04 | Patlabor221 | for each model |
| 19:48:18 | Patlabor221 | this dosn't do anim textures yet |
| 19:48:24 | Patlabor221 | have to think about those |
| 19:48:27 | scanline | it'd be more fun if it did :) |
| 19:48:32 | Patlabor221 | that it would |
| 19:48:50 | scanline | you could do some of the textureing effects that Quake 3 shaders could |
| 19:48:53 | scanline | actually... |
| 19:49:00 | Patlabor221 | that iw waht I am basing this on |
| 19:49:12 | scanline | how about a small VM for a language to describe texture and model paramters in terms of time? |
| 19:49:13 | Patlabor221 | this is a first stab |
| 19:49:18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you oughta make it use ARB_MULTITEXTURE if available |
| 19:49:34 | Patlabor221 | cap: I will when I am sure that it works |
| 19:49:40 | Patlabor221 | that would be an optimisation |
| 19:50:08 | Patlabor221 | I don't want it to get too complex |
| 19:50:27 | scanline | It can be extremely simple to make a stack-based virtual machine |
| 19:50:32 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 19:50:58 | scanline | 632 fillstyle.c <-- this is a stack based VM used in picogui themes |
| 19:51:04 | scanline | nice and short |
| 19:51:09 | captain_proton | phases out BzfString |
| 19:51:49 | scanline | if you don't mind a little higher memory usage, the code can be even simpler |
| 19:52:52 | Patlabor221 | well that can be looked into later |
| 19:53:37 | scanline | Sure. I just found that in my experience with GUI themes, making a very flexible VM or equation language can actually be easier than trying to account for all possibilities without a general-purpose interpreter of some sort |
| 19:54:05 | captain_proton | scanline: let him experiment :) |
| 19:54:08 | scanline | Writing the compiler will be the hardest part, but lex and yacc make it pretty easy |
| 19:54:33 | scanline | captain_proton: I just like compilers too much ;) |
| 19:56:16 | captain_proton | smacks scanline upside the head with an STL reference |
| 19:56:24 | scanline | eep |
| 19:58:49 | captain_proton | fj33rs the map implementation using BzfString and two ALists |
| 19:59:01 | scanline | looks at BZFlag font code |
| 19:59:14 | captain_proton | its scary |
| 20:01:02 | scanline | hmmmmm |
| 20:01:04 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:03:38 | captain_proton | patches welcome ;) |
| 20:03:54 | scanline | I was thinking about writing a freetype implementation of OpenGLTexFont actually |
| 20:04:08 | scanline | Visually, the top three things that jump out at me about 1.8 are: |
| 20:04:22 | scanline | 1. low res mountains background |
| 20:04:26 | scanline | 2. low res grass texture |
| 20:04:33 | scanline | 3. black border around fuzzy fonts |
| 20:04:46 | captain_proton | well the black border is supposed to be there |
| 20:04:50 | scanline | Lightmapping would be awesome, but that's a much bigger problem |
| 20:05:05 | captain_proton | but don't look at 1.8 |
| 20:05:14 | scanline | captain_proton: doesn't look like it, looks like it's just an antialiasing bug.... but I guess that's subjective |
| 20:05:32 | scanline | stops looking at 1.8 :) |
| 20:08:57 | captain_proton | feel free to look at 1.7 though |
| 20:09:06 | Patlabor221 | ick the syntax on the Q3a Shader spex is odd |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | models/players/tankgirl/head_rocketbra |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | cull none |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | map models/players/tankgirl/specmap.tga |
| 20:09:10 | Patlabor221 | tcGen environment |
| 20:09:12 | Patlabor221 | rgbGen lightingDiffuse |
| 20:09:14 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 20:09:16 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 20:09:18 | Patlabor221 | map models/players/tankgirl/head_rocketbra.tga |
| 20:09:20 | Patlabor221 | rgbGen lightingDiffuse |
| 20:09:25 | Patlabor221 | blendfunc GL_ONE GL_SRC_ALPHA |
| 20:09:25 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 20:09:27 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 20:15:23 | bryjen | bbot ? |
| 20:15:23 | bbot | bryjen: no idea |
| 20:15:45 | bryjen | what happened to the Z ? |
| 20:17:24 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 22 seconds ago, saying: I gotta run... back later. [Fri Nov 1 11:17:02 2002] |
| 20:17:24 | bryjen | ibot: seen BZFlag ? |
| 20:17:46 | captain_proton | bryjen: bbot is not bzbot |
| 20:18:05 | bryjen | anotherbot then |
| 20:18:34 | captain_proton | i think it will eventually replace ibot |
| 20:19:09 | bryjen | is ducati down AGAIN, or is the topic reallly old? |
| 20:19:24 | captain_proton | ducati is down right now |
| 20:19:51 | bryjen | I haven't been there or here for a while |
| 20:23:37 | bzdougg_ | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 20:23:56 | bzdougg_ | ~whoareyou |
| 20:23:56 | bbot | bzdougg_: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:23:59 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: you know its down, why do you do a query? |
| 20:24:06 | bzdougg_ | ~bbot? |
| 20:24:06 | bbot | from memory, bbot is a blootbot based infobot run by BZFlag that will soon replace ibot |
| 20:24:19 | bzdougg_ | captain_proton: wonderin what it will say |
| 20:24:31 | bzdougg_ | ibot bzflist |
| 20:24:31 | | bzdougg_: 24.80.130.30:5155(7) bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(5) jzaun.com:5155(8) 24.170.67.105:5155(5) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(17) 66.207.0.59:5164(9) bzflag.freebsdtips.com:6666(2) 24.194.98.76:5155(1) turkey.moongroup.com:7500(17) |
| 20:25:44 | bzdougg_ | Pierre Bo? |
| 20:28:48 | Chestal | oh my, played on chardonnay again |
| 20:28:51 | Chestal | I knew it was a mistake |
| 20:29:06 | captain_proton | isn't it horrid? |
| 20:29:08 | Chestal | we fource all admins to register, or servers shoudl be banned |
| 20:29:12 | captain_proton | its almost as bad as turkey |
| 20:29:21 | Chestal | chardonny has been there for years |
| 20:29:23 | bryjen | ??? |
| 20:29:32 | Chestal | and obviously noone knows who is running it |
| 20:29:37 | Chestal | that's just ridicolous |
| 20:29:45 | captain_proton | what i don't understand is why people play there |
| 20:29:53 | captain_proton | its laggy, bad server options |
| 20:29:54 | Chestal | it's network is quite good |
| 20:29:59 | bryjen | good connection |
| 20:30:01 | captain_proton | plus no admins |
| 20:30:13 | Chestal | very good lag for Europeans |
| 20:30:26 | Chestal | it's about the only server with peopel on t I can play on |
| 20:30:33 | bryjen | it usually not too bad for me either |
| 20:30:44 | Chestal | but people there just suck |
| 20:31:04 | Chestal | next time I want to play there,please stop me |
| 20:31:24 | bryjen | Hey Ches... |
| 20:31:34 | Chestal | only good server out there is the 1 shot .uk server right now |
| 20:31:38 | Chestal | but that's empty all the time |
| 20:32:00 | bryjen | *1* shot? erk |
| 20:32:16 | Chestal | that's a sensible setting at least |
| 20:32:26 | Chestal | 4 shots and 100 flgs liek on chardonnay isn't very useful |
| 20:32:27 | captain_proton | starts a 1-shot decks server |
| 20:32:33 | Chestal | but enough for me today |
| 20:32:37 | Chestal | and I hate time locking |
| 20:32:48 | Chestal | every time I play on chardonnay, it's night and hard to see anything |
| 20:32:55 | bryjen | yeah, -synctime sucks |
| 20:32:59 | Chestal | and the ridiculous amoutn of flags makes my radar useless |
| 20:33:01 | captain_proton | we oughta kill that option |
| 20:33:58 | Chestal | well, I'll just stickwith ducati as soon as it's up again |
| 20:34:16 | Chestal | I think we should add more optins to random maps |
| 20:34:20 | Chestal | like number of builings etc. |
| 20:34:44 | Chestal | the random maps now are too full for my taste |
| 20:34:46 | Chestal | hi laz |
| 20:34:48 | bryjen | you could generate random map files to feed to the server |
| 20:34:53 | Lazarus | Hi guys |
| 20:35:02 | bryjen | 'lo Laz |
| 20:35:08 | Lazarus | hey bry |
| 20:35:09 | Chestal | bryjen: well, yes, that would be possible of course |
| 20:35:10 | jzaun | Hey Lazarus |
| 20:35:15 | Lazarus | justin |
| 20:35:18 | jzaun | been trying to get ahold of you :-) |
| 20:35:33 | Chestal | with custom maps, can I plase teleporter borders without the actualk teleporter? |
| 20:35:35 | Lazarus | : ) been busy last couple of days...sorry |
| 20:35:53 | Lazarus | hope you liked it |
| 20:36:03 | Lazarus | im just learning PHP |
| 20:36:11 | Lazarus | i thought C was bad lol |
| 20:36:19 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm, you could create 3 teleporters in the arrangement to look like a real tele |
| 20:36:29 | Lazarus | a little of both |
| 20:36:34 | Chestal | proton; uhm, eh? |
| 20:36:42 | captain_proton | <Chestal> with custom maps, can I plase teleporter borders without the actualk teleporter? |
| 20:37:09 | captain_proton | if you did 3 teleporters with either x or z set to zero, arranged right, it could look like teleporter borders without the screen |
| 20:37:10 | Chestal | I just want teleporters for ricocheting off the border |
| 20:37:16 | Chestal | uh |
| 20:37:24 | captain_proton | is confused |
| 20:37:28 | captain_proton | what exactly do you want? |
| 20:37:39 | Lazarus | who jzaun |
| 20:37:42 | Chestal | imagine a standard teleporter and remove the teleporting stuff from it |
| 20:37:52 | Chestal | just the frame |
| 20:38:05 | jzaun | Laz, Sorry didn't realize you were on the web client |
| 20:38:15 | Lazarus | ah, lol k |
| 20:38:21 | jzaun | Laz, private messages don't work well there |
| 20:38:28 | captain_proton | Chestal: as i said, 3 teleporters with 0 sizes arranged to look like an entire border |
| 20:38:30 | Lazarus | where? |
| 20:38:38 | jzaun | in the web client |
| 20:38:41 | captain_proton | then you don't have the dark teleporting screen showing |
| 20:38:43 | Lazarus | oh |
| 20:38:49 | captain_proton | alternatively, just create a teleporter with no links to/from it |
| 20:39:03 | jzaun | laz want to move to your sites chat? |
| 20:39:22 | Lazarus | how much of a pain is it to hook up a portal to a VB board jzaun? |
| 20:39:30 | jzaun | laz, we won't bug the channel that way |
| 20:39:32 | Lazarus | sure if you want |
| 20:39:39 | Lazarus | cya there |
| 20:39:40 | captain_proton | you guys would just private-message here |
| 20:39:46 | captain_proton | or create a temp channel |
| 20:39:49 | captain_proton | so others could listen in :) |
| 20:40:23 | bzdougg_ | HEY jzaun! |
| 20:48:29 | bzdougg_ | oh wow |
| 20:48:38 | bzdougg_ | I crashed caclulator |
| 20:48:51 | Patlabor221 | "bork"? |
| 20:48:58 | Patlabor221 | is that a word? |
| 20:49:17 | Patlabor221 | I've seen "hork" |
| 20:50:24 | bzdougg_ | bork bork bork, swedish, bork, chef... |
| 20:51:00 | | bzdougg_: huh? |
| 20:51:00 | bzdougg_ | ibot bork |
| 20:51:10 | bzdougg_ | hmm |
| 20:51:35 | captain_proton | scanline: you oughta make a textbox setup for bzflag that can render HTML ;) |
| 20:51:42 | | OK, bzdougg_. |
| 20:51:42 | bzdougg_ | ibot bork is <reply> bork = sussudio + t-10 secs till impact |
| 20:51:51 | bzdougg_ | whew |
| 20:51:54 | bzdougg_ | grins |
| 20:51:55 | scanline | captain_proton: you could just use picogui for bzflag's UI :) |
| 20:52:08 | bzdougg_ | scanline: ICK! |
| 20:52:10 | bzdougg_ | ;) |
| 20:52:16 | scanline | bah! |
| 20:52:27 | bzdougg_ | humbug |
| 20:52:31 | scanline | Soon it will be possible to use picogui as a self-contained library, and it supports OpenGL |
| 20:52:52 | captain_proton | hmm, though the panel manager is thexy |
| 20:53:04 | bzdougg_ | 01_allegro_energico_ma_non_troppo |
| 20:53:51 | scanline | captain_proton: it's pretty modular, and getting more so all the time, so you could use the panel app manager, or swap it out for overlapping windows, or something completely different |
| 20:53:58 | bzdougg_ | that translated means first energetic ma is not trippable |
| 20:54:14 | bzdougg_ | scanline: but will it work on windows? |
| 20:54:16 | scanline | Hmm... that's what I'll do to take a big break from the textbox widget but still be coding something useful, I'll rework this network code |
| 20:54:39 | Patlabor221 | I agree with cap on the pannel manager |
| 20:54:48 | scanline | bzdougg_: I'll be reorganizing the app and network code simulataneously, so whenever it's possible to use it as a self-contained library it should also be possible to use it in windows |
| 20:54:51 | captain_proton | scanline: not your panel manager |
| 20:55:07 | scanline | ah |
| 20:56:15 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: um, what language did you try to tranlate it from? |
| 20:56:29 | Patlabor221 | our pannel manager roxorz the boxors |
| 20:56:38 | Patlabor221 | but needs real fonts |
| 20:56:44 | scanline | What panel manager is this? |
| 20:56:59 | captain_proton | scanline: the one i used in jetstream |
| 20:57:01 | Patlabor221 | the one true pannel manager |
| 20:57:14 | Patlabor221 | forged in the fires of a volcano |
| 20:57:20 | scanline | ah, I think you mentioned that one to me once |
| 20:57:31 | Patlabor221 | built with alien techonolgy |
| 20:57:42 | scanline | hmm, that's... nice... |
| 20:58:04 | captain_proton | uff, menus.cxx is crufty |
| 21:00:15 | Patlabor221 | yay no more tech support. |
| 21:07:20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: do you have any other music in the style of the .hack// stuff? |
| 21:07:57 | Chestal | good night |
| 21:08:01 | captain_proton | 'night Chestal |
| 21:11:28 | ak|ra | abnd |
| 21:12:30 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: not yet |
| 21:12:43 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: there are 4 more soundstracs for that show |
| 21:12:59 | captain_proton | that you have? |
| 21:13:55 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:14:08 | Patlabor221 | anime cart guy is ordering them for mer |
| 21:14:14 | captain_proton | wonders if they ever released the soundtrack to 'alice' |
| 21:15:11 | captain_proton | hmm they did |
| 21:16:08 | BZFlag | bryjen: nice call. fixed in cvs. |
| 21:16:45 | bryjen | BZFlag: cool. |
| 21:17:22 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you're talking about synctime? |
| 21:17:41 | bryjen | captain_proton: no. detecting rogues as teamkillers |
| 21:17:51 | captain_proton | doesn't wanna pay $15 for this cd |
| 21:17:55 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 21:18:14 | BZFlag | what's up with synctime? |
| 21:18:39 | captain_proton | BZFlag: nobody likes it |
| 21:18:44 | bryjen | Not by any divination of mine. I had some folks playing on that version last night that made the unpleasant discovery |
| 21:19:18 | BZFlag | captain_proton: heh. yeah. -synctime should force a random time on the server ;-) |
| 21:19:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: it shouldn't exist at all |
| 21:19:53 | BZFlag | bryjen: well, you got the kudos cause you filled out the bug report. ;-) |
| 21:19:53 | captain_proton | i wouldn't mind it if the 1.7 nighttime was prettier |
| 21:20:01 | captain_proton | but as it is all it does is make the game ugly and hard to see |
| 21:20:12 | bryjen | I think its mostly about being forced to play the dark. Maybe the tanks need headlights :) |
| 21:20:24 | BZFlag | headlights would be cool. |
| 21:20:26 | scanline | hehe, that'd be neat |
| 21:20:50 | BZFlag | I remember when decent 2.0 shipped and that was the cool new feature. ;-) |
| 21:21:25 | bryjen | then there's the inevitable new flag : see in the dark without headlights....... |
| 21:21:27 | ak|ra | knows anyone a cool lanchat tool with kind of audionotification? |
| 21:21:32 | ak|ra | besides talk? |
| 21:21:44 | BZFlag | easier to see, but much easier to see someone with their headlights on. ;-) |
| 21:22:08 | BZFlag | then we'd need a light seeking missle. ;-) "eek! Turn off the headlights, Quick!" |
| 21:22:10 | bryjen | Exactly, so the see-in-the-dark flag lets you turn them off with no penalty |
| 21:22:52 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:23:23 | BZFlag | anyone running e7 with the clock? |
| 21:23:30 | BZFlag | good/bad/indifferent? |
| 21:23:43 | captain_proton | e7 clock? |
| 21:23:57 | bryjen | The little red/green left/right markers do glow a bit too, don't they? Turn it all off and be _really_ sneaky in the dark. |
| 21:24:12 | ak|ra | see in the dark .. headlights? i got my radar, its enough |
| 21:24:25 | BZFlag | captain_proton: current CVS puts a clock in the upper right if you don't have a flag. |
| 21:24:33 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:24:36 | BZFlag | 24:59 format. |
| 21:24:42 | BZFlag | er 23:59 ;-) |
| 21:25:00 | dinah | nice save luv ;) |
| 21:25:04 | BZFlag | ak|ra: won't help against ST ;-) |
| 21:25:23 | BZFlag | grins at dinah |
| 21:25:53 | captain_proton | BZFlag: when you do the cvs changeover, ima gonna kick off this with a big patch :) |
| 21:26:01 | ak|ra | BZFlag: like someone mentioned in the list: too much flags and features are not a must or a guarantee for success or likeness of bzflag |
| 21:26:01 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:26:15 | dinah | pokes BZFlag and says "now how about proting bzflag to palm?" ;) |
| 21:26:29 | dinah | errr porting |
| 21:26:30 | bryjen | prot? |
| 21:27:17 | Patlabor221 | non alcoholic port |
| 21:27:18 | BZFlag | dinah: gag... palm would be horrible. I'd do PocketPC before palm. alas no FPU so frame rates stink. |
| 21:27:40 | dinah | Zarus works too if you like that... |
| 21:28:03 | ak|ra | BZFlag: could be done with a openglvizserver from sgi :)) |
| 21:28:25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:28:48 | bryjen | a whozawhatzis? |
| 21:30:07 | BZFlag | dinah: I ported to the ipaq running linux. only like 6fps though. |
| 21:30:15 | BZFlag | vizserver? |
| 21:30:23 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 21:30:30 | Patlabor221 | is that like a server does the rendering and send the fragments to a client? |
| 21:30:32 | captain_proton | what is all this pointer arithmetic in network.cxx?? |
| 21:30:39 | dinah | 6fps, what about just turnig off all the fancy graphics |
| 21:31:06 | Patlabor221 | I don't think wireframe would be playable |
| 21:31:14 | BZFlag | ahh, cluster rendering. |
| 21:31:14 | Patlabor221 | you would have to have at least flat shading. |
| 21:31:31 | BZFlag | yeah, like you'd have a cluster of ipaqs in your pocket. ;-) |
| 21:31:32 | sussudio | how bout fixing Keymanager.cxx so i can use cursor keys for movement again? :-p |
| 21:31:44 | captain_proton | sussudio: ?? |
| 21:31:45 | bryjen | dinah: I'd imagine that _is_ without all the fancy stuff. Little CPU no 3D hardware |
| 21:31:51 | sussudio | captain_proton: in 1.8 cvs |
| 21:32:04 | captain_proton | sussudio: haven't you been listening at all over the last few days? |
| 21:32:07 | BZFlag | yeah, 6fps is with everything off. |
| 21:32:16 | Patlabor221 | sussudio, 1.8 apears to be dead |
| 21:32:16 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: exactly .. the vizserver is a big fat expensive system with power of some onyxes ... |
| 21:32:17 | dinah | sighs and settles for TankPilot |
| 21:32:23 | sussudio | snort? |
| 21:32:36 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 will evolve |
| 21:32:36 | ak|ra | 1 gb textureram, 10 gb framebuffer, stuff like that |
| 21:32:45 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what pointer math? |
| 21:33:24 | captain_proton | pathname = url(base - url); |
| 21:33:27 | captain_proton | url is a BzfString |
| 21:33:30 | captain_proton | base is a const char* |
| 21:34:07 | captain_proton | wonders how this manages to work at all |
| 21:34:25 | Patlabor221 | magic and glue. |
| 21:34:33 | captain_proton | obviously |
| 21:36:46 | Patlabor221 | hey cap: I don't think these work do they ? GL_DST_ALPHA, |
| 21:36:46 | Patlabor221 | GL_ONE_MINUS_DST_ALPHA, |
| 21:36:46 | Patlabor221 | GL_SRC_ALPHA_SATURATE |
| 21:37:05 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: they should.... |
| 21:37:11 | captain_proton | does a doug-esque shrug |
| 21:37:40 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think most hardware supports dest alpha, and why in the name of hell would anyone want to use them |
| 21:38:03 | captain_proton | i dunno why people would use them |
| 21:41:20 | BZFlag | captain_proton: sheesh, that is a mess. |
| 21:41:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i like the clock |
| 21:41:36 | BZFlag | captain_proton: cool. me too. ;-) |
| 21:41:51 | BZFlag | I hate it when it says 4:00 though. |
| 21:42:08 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:42:50 | captain_proton | has network.cxx all ported to std::string except for the strange pointer arith |
| 21:47:34 | bryjen | its chopping an url into parts..... if the comment didn't say so I probly wouldnt get that :( |
| 21:48:05 | captain_proton | well, i understand that |
| 21:48:21 | captain_proton | but its the pointer arithmetic pulling out of BzfString's that is confusing me |
| 21:49:03 | captain_proton | that URL stuff really ought to be redone so it works with proxies |
| 21:56:48 | captain_proton | oofa, we've really gotta split bzfs.cxx |
| 21:56:53 | BZFlag | getting the server list could work with proxies, but playing could not at present. |
| 21:57:25 | BZFlag | it's split in 1.8 though actually I don't mind the big file. |
| 21:57:45 | captain_proton | server list is the only HTTP thing we use right now |
| 21:57:52 | captain_proton | its not really split in 1.8, just added to |
| 21:58:09 | BZFlag | well, ok. you got me there. ;-) |
| 22:00:29 | captain_proton | can we get rid of the -I/usr/include and -fnonnull-objects in config-linux? |
| 22:00:41 | captain_proton | they're causing warnings about deprecation on gcc3 |
| 22:05:46 | bryjen | captain_proton: if i'm reading BzfString.cxx right (big IF), when BzfString is used with const char*()'s (implied cast?) you're actually getting a pointer to rep->string ?? |
| 22:06:20 | bryjen | or maybe i know less about C than i think i do. either way, that's not much. |
| 22:06:23 | bryjen | :) |
| 22:06:42 | captain_proton | yeah, you are |
| 22:08:17 | bryjen | Ok.... |
| 22:08:19 | captain_proton | still can't believe the network stuff actually -works- |
| 22:08:40 | sussudio | so can i get the modified 1.7 via cvs too? |
| 22:08:51 | bryjen | i won't say its pretty, but it make a sick kind of sense to me |
| 22:09:24 | captain_proton | sussudio: modified 1.7? what do you mean via modified? just current? |
| 22:09:40 | bryjen | sussudio: yeah, developing 1.7 is in CVS. currently e7 |
| 22:09:43 | sussudio | well, you're making changes to it, right? |
| 22:10:02 | captain_proton | well i am, but i won't commit any of them until riker branches |
| 22:10:11 | sussudio | hmmk |
| 22:10:27 | captain_proton | and you won't see a difference in the changes i'm making right now, its all code cleanup |
| 22:10:43 | BZFlag | captain_proton: leave em till they are really gone. compiles on old gcc are broken without them. |
| 22:10:52 | sussudio | how easy would it be to make an option to turn flags on radar off? |
| 22:11:06 | captain_proton | fairly easy |
| 22:11:10 | sussudio | with a hotkey or something |
| 22:11:13 | captain_proton | hardest part is the menus UI |
| 22:11:28 | captain_proton | just if() out the flag rendering bit |
| 22:11:33 | sussudio | some maps are unplayable cause the server admin decided to put 150 flags on the map |
| 22:11:34 | BZFlag | bryjen: cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 22:12:12 | BZFlag | sussudio: hmm. that would be a good hotkey imho |
| 22:12:18 | bryjen | BZFlag: yes, i know. or was that "please try this right now" ? |
| 22:12:24 | sussudio | thinks of noodleroni for one |
| 22:12:34 | captain_proton | i think that statement was intended for sussudio |
| 22:12:54 | BZFlag | oh... I meant sussudio. |
| 22:13:00 | bryjen | NP |
| 22:14:16 | bryjen | flags/shots > 100 maybe cause for an Admin Attitude Readjusment Tool. |
| 22:14:39 | BZFlag | heh. it's fun, but it sure does dog the network code. |
| 22:15:04 | captain_proton | is gonna have to rewrite this URL parsing code at some point, but for now, madness! |
| 22:15:39 | bryjen | everybody needs a little madness :) |
| 22:16:05 | sussudio1 | i hate my isp |
| 22:18:55 | captain_proton | woo, it all works except for a segfault in the url parsing code :) |
| 22:19:05 | sussudio | goodie |
| 22:19:14 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag]$ grep -r BzfList * |wc -l |
| 22:19:14 | captain_proton | 0\ |
| 22:19:28 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:19:37 | captain_proton | hmm, damn |
| 22:19:40 | captain_proton | nevermind |
| 22:19:43 | captain_proton | i meant BzfString |
| 22:19:47 | captain_proton | and there are still some instances |
| 22:20:05 | captain_proton | ah, who cares :) |
| 22:20:22 | captain_proton | a bunch of stuff in release notes, some stuff in the mac packaging |
| 22:21:14 | bryjen | i don't know that i've run into anyone playing from a mac |
| 22:22:22 | scanline | gonkulator still plays in OS X occasionally I think, and I used to back when I still had OS X installed |
| 22:22:37 | captain_proton | scanline: well, he can fix the code ;) |
| 22:22:42 | scanline | >:) |
| 22:25:42 | captain_proton | hmm, now there's no segfault, just infinite loops |
| 22:46:21 | captain_proton | progress |
| 22:46:22 | captain_proton | ! |
| 22:46:52 | sussudio | profit? |
| 22:47:25 | doughecka | whats step 2? |
| 22:47:50 | sussudio | no poofters |
| 22:47:56 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:48:03 | doughecka | slick! a black imac http://suyama.co.jp/past59.html |
| 23:05:02 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 23:16:52 | sussudio | ~hello |
| 23:16:52 | bbot | Hewwo! |
| 23:22:21 | fiberchunks | anyone help with getting the 1.7e6 source to compile a bzflag client? I get a 'no rule to make target ../../lib/libGLKit.a needed by ../bin/bzflag' error |
| 23:22:39 | doughecka | ~help |
| 23:23:14 | fiberchunks | it's a static lib, but I'm not sure what the mojo is with the error |
| 23:24:22 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: cd src/ogl;make |
| 23:24:25 | captain_proton | see what happens |
| 23:24:42 | fiberchunks | will do..brb |
| 23:25:40 | fiberchunks | get this error: |
| 23:26:24 | fiberchunks | OpenGLTexture.cxx:20: GL/glu.h: no such file or directory |
| 23:26:50 | fiberchunks | missing an include am I? |
| 23:26:58 | captain_proton | looks like you need to install the GL headers |
| 23:27:04 | doughecka | speak like yoda you do? |
| 23:27:15 | fiberchunks | do you know offhand what package that is? GL-dev or some such |
| 23:27:25 | fiberchunks | speak like yoda do I :) |
| 23:27:30 | doughecka | ~news |
| 23:27:55 | doughecka | ~cpustats |
| 23:27:55 | bbot | Total CPU usage: 67.8 s ... Total used: 0.047 % (parent/child ratio: 66.0 %) |
| 23:28:17 | doughecka | ~find pig |
| 23:28:21 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: its included in the mesa package |
| 23:28:26 | captain_proton | usually |
| 23:28:33 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 23:28:37 | captain_proton | the nvidia drivers install should install headers |
| 23:29:00 | fiberchunks | yeah, I just u/g the driver, and I agree, but for some reason, they are missing |
| 23:29:08 | doughecka | ~spell pat labor |
| 23:29:08 | bbot | 'pat labor' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:29:12 | BZFlag | fiberchunks: apt-get install xlibmesa-dev |
| 23:29:20 | doughecka | ~spell bzflag |
| 23:29:21 | bbot | I can't find alternate spellings for 'bzflag' |
| 23:29:23 | jzaun | captain_proton: Any news on the BZEE front? |
| 23:29:24 | doughecka | humph |
| 23:29:29 | captain_proton | jzaun: working on other things, so no |
| 23:29:35 | fiberchunks | check that out...brb |
| 23:29:57 | Patlabor221 | lo |
| 23:30:11 | jzaun | captain_proton: any news on the 1.8 front? |
| 23:30:26 | Patlabor221 | abd techicaly it's Patrol Labor |
| 23:30:34 | Patlabor221 | jzuan: it |
| 23:30:36 | Patlabor221 | 's death |
| 23:30:50 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:30:58 | doughecka | ~cookie |
| 23:30:59 | bbot | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... 1... |
| 23:31:03 | jzaun | Patlabor221: its death???? |
| 23:31:12 | bbot | Debian Search of 'pig' (7 shown; 22 total): (/usr/games/pig) in games/bsdgames ;; (/usr/bin/dpigs) in utils/debian-goodies ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-mpd/bin/mpigdb) in devel/mpich-mpd ;; (/usr/share/snap/scripts/pig_latin.pl) in net/snap ;; (/usr/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/spigot.pd) in sound/pd ;; (/usr/share/gnomeicu/emoticons/Yahoo/pig.gif) in net/gnomeicu ;; (/usr/share/doc/docbook-doc/figs/epigraph.jpeg) in doc/docbook-doc. |
| 23:31:13 | Patlabor221 | seems so |
| 23:31:37 | Patlabor221 | seems to be a general conssneus to go back to 1.7 and make amends |
| 23:31:50 | Patlabor221 | move things over piece wise as to not break functionality |
| 23:32:05 | jzaun | Patlabor221: What about ogg sound, the new rendering engine (wich kicks but) and all the xml config files and new flags and all the lost work?!?!?!?!? |
| 23:32:16 | Patlabor221 | it woudl not be lost |
| 23:32:28 | Patlabor221 | it would be migrated into a cleaned up 1.7 codebase |
| 23:32:40 | captain_proton | this new url parsing code is ugly but not -nearly- as scary as the old :) |
| 23:32:54 | captain_proton | jzaun: and the new rendering engine doesn't kick quite as much butt as you believe |
| 23:32:56 | Patlabor221 | the 1.8 render wasn't that hot |
| 23:32:57 | jzaun | Patlabor221: but why bother t=when 1.8 looks so good? |
| 23:33:07 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't thats the thing |
| 23:33:15 | Patlabor221 | it is misssing a hell of a lot |
| 23:33:22 | Patlabor221 | and it's messyer then 1.7 |
| 23:33:37 | Patlabor221 | it has the potental to kick ass |
| 23:33:48 | Patlabor221 | but it's mired down in code that noone wants to touch |
| 23:33:53 | Patlabor221 | hence it's stalled status |
| 23:34:28 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I guess that makes sence :-( just was hoping for a release sometime this year :-) |
| 23:34:38 | Patlabor221 | and the idea of adding new flags and sounds while there is still rampant cheating and other simple issues. |
| 23:34:41 | jzaun | Though I can't say much... I don't code for BZF |
| 23:34:57 | Patlabor221 | well with this change you will more likely get a release this year |
| 23:35:16 | Patlabor221 | since stuff can be done in smaller chuncks |
| 23:35:23 | Patlabor221 | then more releases can be made |
| 23:35:40 | Patlabor221 | don't have to wait for EVERYTHING to be done before it's releaseable |
| 23:36:00 | Patlabor221 | a 1.7 base release could be made with ogg for example |
| 23:36:09 | Patlabor221 | then one with more flags. |
| 23:36:13 | Patlabor221 | ext.. |
| 23:36:23 | jzaun | I suppose :-/ |
| 23:36:36 | captain_proton | jzaun: unless you have a better idea... |
| 23:36:49 | Patlabor221 | you could go convince CRS to work on it all again |
| 23:38:15 | jzaun | captain_proton: not really... just wantted to see all the cool 1.8 stuff now :-P I'm just being impationt |
| 23:38:18 | fiberchunks | ah, where is the default data directory? |
| 23:40:37 | jzaun | captain_proton: not sure if you know or not, jzaun.com:5255 it rotationg too |
| 23:43:09 | fiberchunks | works like a charm, thanks very much capt. proton! :) |
| 23:47:18 | Patlabor221 | is away: "The Tube is Civilisation!!!!." |
| 23:52:20 | sussudio | yawns |
| 23:54:11 | PatLabor221 | is back (gone 00:06:53) |
| 23:54:26 | captain_proton | harumph |
| 23:54:44 | PatLabor221 | bad prunes? |
| 23:55:04 | sussudio | bad prunes would be haaaaaaaaarrrruuumphsplatter |
| 23:55:16 | PatLabor221 | not nesisaraly |
| 23:55:46 | captain_proton | i can't get this new parsing code to work |
| 23:56:53 | PatLabor221 | what does it parse? |
| 23:57:23 | captain_proton | http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt and (supposedly) the bzflist:// line |
| 23:57:31 | captain_proton | its doing the http one right |
| 23:57:43 | PatLabor221 | but not the other |
| 23:57:48 | PatLabor221 | sounds like debuger time |
| 23:58:34 | captain_proton | i've been debuggering for the last half hour |
| 23:58:39 | PatLabor221 | ick |
| 23:59:59 | captain_proton | but once this works 1.7 will be BzfString free |