| 00:06:00 | Patlabor221 | hmm not exactly liking GL's auto generateded TCs but it works |
| 00:08:56 | Patlabor221 | too bad there isn't GL_CYLINDER_MAP |
| 00:09:41 | bzdougg | wants a impeller drive |
| 00:10:44 | Patlabor221 | you mean a JetSki? |
| 00:11:11 | bzdougg | with wasaski sails |
| 00:12:04 | Patlabor221 | ok the flag. |
| 00:12:13 | Patlabor221 | looks stooopid enviroement maped |
| 00:12:48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 00:13:00 | Patlabor221 | I think each skin needs it's own environment texure |
| 00:13:08 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 00:15:39 | Patlabor221 | pomders simple shaders |
| 00:17:33 | bzdougg | woo |
| 00:17:40 | bzdougg | overclocks his CPU to 15 hgz |
| 00:17:42 | bzdougg | ghz |
| 00:34:12 | jzaun | cap you around? |
| 00:34:17 | captain_proton | jzaun: yep |
| 00:34:20 | jzaun | call |
| 00:34:24 | jzaun | cool* |
| 00:34:32 | jzaun | have you been on the stats site lately? |
| 00:34:37 | captain_proton | a bit |
| 00:35:10 | jzaun | Think you would want to run decks thre the script posted under "Running A Server"? |
| 00:35:43 | captain_proton | naw i've got decks running on my server |
| 00:35:58 | captain_proton | do you still have a hosts entry for bzflag.net? if so, its incorrect (IP change) |
| 00:37:42 | captain_proton | would it be possible for you to cache the map images? |
| 00:37:52 | captain_proton | that page takes about 20 years to load :) |
| 00:38:35 | bzdougg | heya jzaun! |
| 00:38:44 | jzaun | wel... not 20 years, but a good few min. |
| 00:38:47 | jzaun | hey doug |
| 00:38:57 | bzdougg | see my new map? |
| 00:39:00 | bzdougg | snickers |
| 00:39:03 | bzdougg | 500+ boxes |
| 00:39:06 | jzaun | not yet |
| 00:39:13 | bzdougg | lol |
| 00:39:19 | bzdougg | could you run it next on your server? |
| 00:39:24 | jzaun | cap, I'll work on cacheing them |
| 00:39:26 | bzdougg | I want to see how people like it |
| 00:39:35 | bzdougg | see what FPS they get |
| 00:39:37 | bzdougg | :P |
| 00:39:38 | jzaun | bzdougg: when it comes up on rotation |
| 00:39:47 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 00:40:04 | jzaun | bzdougg: you on linux? |
| 00:40:09 | bzdougg | nope |
| 00:40:10 | bzdougg | XP |
| 00:40:11 | bzdougg | windowz |
| 00:40:22 | bzdougg | EVIL!!! BWUAHAHAHA |
| 00:40:44 | bzdougg | is away: getting a bowl of raisins |
| 00:41:54 | bzdougg | is back: got his raisins |
| 00:56:56 | Patlabor221 | cap did you get all those files from my FTP? |
| 00:57:09 | bzdougg | um |
| 00:57:12 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: which? |
| 00:57:18 | bzdougg | watches 2000 install boot off the cd |
| 00:57:18 | Patlabor221 | the halo soundtrack |
| 00:57:25 | Patlabor221 | and the XL stuff |
| 00:57:26 | captain_proton | not yet lemme do that now |
| 00:57:33 | captain_proton | i got the xl stuff as of whenever i got it :) |
| 00:57:41 | Patlabor221 | the pannel mananger? |
| 00:57:48 | bzdougg | No! I LIKE IT IN HERE! |
| 00:58:08 | captain_proton | no not yet |
| 00:58:21 | captain_proton | ok got the panel manager |
| 00:58:23 | Patlabor221 | ok doug I am copying the 366 meg zip of all that music to my ftp |
| 00:58:43 | bzdougg | ok |
| 00:58:48 | bzdougg | as... |
| 00:59:09 | Patlabor221 | cb.zip |
| 00:59:12 | bzdougg | k |
| 00:59:15 | Patlabor221 | it just finsihed |
| 00:59:36 | bzdougg | ITS A BEAMIN' captin'! |
| 01:00:00 | Patlabor221 | don't suck up all of capy's bandwith or he will stab you |
| 01:00:08 | bzdougg | sniffs |
| 01:00:17 | Patlabor221 | in the eye |
| 01:00:28 | bzdougg | ow |
| 01:00:39 | bzdougg | 50 kbs |
| 01:00:43 | bzdougg | 33 |
| 01:00:46 | bzdougg | happy? |
| 01:00:47 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:00:59 | bzdougg | 3 hours left |
| 01:01:33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i dunno if you saw any of last nights discussion |
| 01:01:41 | Patlabor221 | of? |
| 01:01:51 | captain_proton | about bz |
| 01:02:05 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 01:02:10 | Patlabor221 | what was talked about? |
| 01:02:19 | captain_proton | apathy wants to drop back down to the 1.7 codebase and evolve it towards 1.8 |
| 01:02:23 | captain_proton | instead of working with the mess we've got now |
| 01:02:31 | bzdougg | thats a good idea |
| 01:02:34 | bzgirl | hi |
| 01:02:38 | captain_proton | bzdougg: shutup |
| 01:02:45 | bzdougg | wimpers |
| 01:02:48 | bzdougg | hi bzgirl |
| 01:02:53 | Patlabor221 | seems I want to take it further down |
| 01:03:00 | captain_proton | however, he doesn't feel the need for a new renderer |
| 01:03:00 | Patlabor221 | back down to the ground |
| 01:03:08 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't? |
| 01:03:16 | captain_proton | no, for some reason |
| 01:03:25 | Patlabor221 | he just wants to support simple paramatric ents? |
| 01:03:37 | captain_proton | if we do this, when the time comes, would you be interested in helping me rip a new one for bz? |
| 01:03:53 | Patlabor221 | I may |
| 01:03:54 | captain_proton | apathy's restriction is that we don't remove any existing functionality from the game :P |
| 01:04:12 | Patlabor221 | that's a noble goal |
| 01:04:21 | Patlabor221 | but there are some things I think that limit the game too much |
| 01:04:26 | Patlabor221 | like the sun thing |
| 01:04:38 | Patlabor221 | dosn't let a map specify an environment |
| 01:05:07 | Patlabor221 | how new are you looking at riping? |
| 01:05:22 | captain_proton | he means more along the lines of not checking in code thats missing old features, like crs did |
| 01:05:33 | Patlabor221 | ahh yes |
| 01:05:56 | Patlabor221 | the current 1.8 stuff does not seem to be well "planed" |
| 01:06:23 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see a design doc for 1.7 -> 1.8ish enhancments |
| 01:06:29 | Patlabor221 | what is wanted |
| 01:06:34 | Patlabor221 | what is needed |
| 01:06:38 | ak|ra | thats cool |
| 01:06:42 | Patlabor221 | not nesisarialy what would be "cool" |
| 01:07:07 | ak|ra | with the ray - triangle code from th. moeller one could check against parallels also :) |
| 01:07:11 | ak|ra | nice stuff |
| 01:07:33 | captain_proton | well, imo the biggest thing is that we need to rewrite parts so that we have a clean, extensible architecture to work off of |
| 01:07:40 | captain_proton | because adding or replacing things right now is a nightmare |
| 01:07:46 | Patlabor221 | that is is |
| 01:07:48 | ak|ra | captain_proton: :) |
| 01:08:00 | Patlabor221 | but before it's riped |
| 01:08:04 | bzdougg | has a grand idea |
| 01:08:19 | Patlabor221 | there needs to be a definition of what the new components sould have and do |
| 01:08:29 | bzdougg | we steal 1.7s code and make bzflag version 2 |
| 01:08:36 | bzdougg | why are we calling it 1.8? |
| 01:08:41 | bzdougg | why not version 2? |
| 01:08:45 | Patlabor221 | 1 you can't steal open source |
| 01:08:48 | captain_proton | bzdougg: thats unimportant |
| 01:08:52 | bzdougg | is it not a large upgrade? |
| 01:08:53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he could fork if he wanted |
| 01:08:55 | Patlabor221 | 2 what would you keep from it |
| 01:08:57 | bzdougg | humph |
| 01:09:08 | ak|ra | fork isnt steal |
| 01:09:17 | bzdougg | "steal" = fork |
| 01:09:17 | Patlabor221 | is he thinking of forking? |
| 01:09:19 | captain_proton | bzdougg: who is going to code up all these changes to call it 2.0? hmm? |
| 01:09:21 | ak|ra | its doing other stuff at another place alone :)) |
| 01:09:29 | bzdougg | captain_proton: you |
| 01:09:31 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:09:40 | captain_proton | garrotes bzdougg |
| 01:09:50 | Patlabor221 | just kick him |
| 01:09:56 | bzdougg | no! |
| 01:10:04 | Patlabor221 | not like he contributes |
| 01:10:05 | bzdougg | stays low |
| 01:10:28 | Patlabor221 | does he have a plan for things he would like to see |
| 01:10:41 | bzdougg | I do too! I am chock full of ideas... mostly useless ones, but never mind that.. |
| 01:10:45 | Patlabor221 | I can see redoing the world database |
| 01:10:47 | Patlabor221 | the server |
| 01:11:02 | Patlabor221 | and the renderer |
| 01:11:02 | captain_proton | i think the first focus is going to be netcode |
| 01:11:19 | Patlabor221 | get the important stuff out of the client |
| 01:11:19 | bzdougg | shrugs and turns back listening to.... |
| 01:11:21 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 01:11:26 | Patlabor221 | doug chut up |
| 01:12:00 | Patlabor221 | after that what is he thinking of? |
| 01:12:06 | captain_proton | after that, who knows |
| 01:12:09 | Patlabor221 | map features? |
| 01:12:15 | captain_proton | maybe moving stuff to server, maybe redoing rendering |
| 01:12:18 | Patlabor221 | see there needs to be a better plan |
| 01:12:26 | captain_proton | yes, there does |
| 01:12:36 | captain_proton | maybe replacing all the platform stuff with LGE ;) |
| 01:12:42 | bzdougg | LGE? |
| 01:13:13 | Patlabor221 | that would make it easyer |
| 01:13:31 | captain_proton | our libs make a lot of things easier |
| 01:13:41 | Patlabor221 | XL is is designed to eventualy allow the choice of renderer |
| 01:14:01 | Patlabor221 | so I 2d client would just be a replacement of the render class. |
| 01:14:14 | Patlabor221 | techinaly LGE has a net class |
| 01:14:19 | Patlabor221 | it just needs to be ported |
| 01:14:31 | Patlabor221 | tho it may posibibly be crap |
| 01:14:41 | Patlabor221 | I didn't write all of it |
| 01:14:58 | Patlabor221 | and I don't know exactly what some parts are doing. |
| 01:17:41 | ak|ra | ibot: bzflist |
| 01:17:41 | | ak|ra: 63.147.94.149:5155(1) bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(6) 24.80.130.30:5155(5) 66.207.0.59:5164(6) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(14) turkey.moongroup.com:7500(15) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(1) |
| 01:18:10 | Patlabor221 | hmmmmmm make game server a web server too |
| 01:18:25 | Patlabor221 | web admin :) |
| 01:18:33 | bzdougg | ooh |
| 01:18:40 | Patlabor221 | or perhaps just make it a CGI |
| 01:18:51 | bzdougg | you could even have a birds eye view image... :) |
| 01:18:53 | Patlabor221 | then you could host the page where ever you wanted |
| 01:18:57 | captain_proton | i'd like to see an admin interface exposed but it should really just be some server messages |
| 01:19:18 | Patlabor221 | UT allows web admin |
| 01:19:46 | captain_proton | then some simple CGI scripts could expose it to the web |
| 01:20:01 | bzdougg | or PHP? |
| 01:20:50 | captain_proton | php can run over CGI |
| 01:21:06 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 01:22:58 | ak|ra | i love cvs :) |
| 01:23:00 | Patlabor221 | I envision a full server managment app at a later data |
| 01:23:11 | Patlabor221 | lists players |
| 01:23:19 | Patlabor221 | shows rules |
| 01:23:25 | Patlabor221 | shows current map rotiatons |
| 01:23:27 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 01:23:50 | Patlabor221 | as long as the server allows some sort of "admin" login |
| 01:23:59 | Patlabor221 | then stuff can be done later using anything |
| 01:24:03 | captain_proton | server management isn't a huge priority right now |
| 01:25:05 | Patlabor221 | didn't say it was |
| 01:25:15 | Patlabor221 | just thowin out stuff :) |
| 01:25:28 | Patlabor221 | but what would be changed net wize |
| 01:25:43 | Patlabor221 | just more UDP and move stuff to the server? |
| 01:26:02 | bzdougg | what was that thing... multicast? |
| 01:26:09 | bzdougg | it was in older versions right? |
| 01:26:11 | ak|ra | cya guys |
| 01:26:13 | captain_proton | well, consolidate it all and clean up the API |
| 01:26:31 | captain_proton | combine multiple packets into one, throttle |
| 01:26:31 | Patlabor221 | but what "features" do you add? |
| 01:26:36 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 01:26:44 | bzdougg | ah, what was bad about that? |
| 01:26:45 | Patlabor221 | so realy low level net stuff |
| 01:27:00 | Patlabor221 | is this the bigest issue right now? |
| 01:27:14 | captain_proton | bzdougg: it sends out a lot of small packets |
| 01:27:25 | captain_proton | i'd say its something that needs to be done before most others |
| 01:27:33 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 01:27:43 | Patlabor221 | you would want to do that before changing the server |
| 01:27:43 | captain_proton | because with a clean interface it will be a lot easier to do things like move hit detection to the server |
| 01:28:06 | Patlabor221 | does 1.8 have a new net layer? |
| 01:28:11 | bzdougg | oh |
| 01:28:18 | captain_proton | not really a new layer |
| 01:28:33 | Patlabor221 | what does it have? |
| 01:28:34 | captain_proton | its got some changes (elimated the reconnect, slight protocol changes) |
| 01:28:44 | Patlabor221 | but no realy API cleanup? |
| 01:28:59 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:29:37 | Patlabor221 | is he going to do this? |
| 01:29:46 | | crs was last seen on #bzflag 241 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: what's wrong with it captain_proton? [Fri Mar 1 19:10:10 2002] |
| 01:29:46 | bzdougg | ibot seen crs |
| 01:29:58 | Patlabor221 | does SF allow project branching? |
| 01:30:01 | bzdougg | woah, been awhile |
| 01:30:02 | Patlabor221 | not jsut taging? |
| 01:30:20 | captain_proton | yeah, we used a cvs branch when we forked the existing 1.8 |
| 01:30:36 | Patlabor221 | what we would do here is break off a project |
| 01:30:42 | Patlabor221 | do our changes |
| 01:30:52 | Patlabor221 | then if they worked ok merege them back in |
| 01:31:03 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 01:31:14 | Patlabor221 | and everytime we have a major reelase we snap it off as a brachn |
| 01:31:23 | captain_proton | i think what apathy is suggesting would work better |
| 01:31:25 | Patlabor221 | so that we can do small critical fixes |
| 01:31:41 | captain_proton | where we release every few months, breaking whatever we need to in the meantime |
| 01:32:09 | Patlabor221 | do you want the ability to do mentiance release to non current projects? |
| 01:32:15 | captain_proton | 'breaking' in terms of compatibility, not features |
| 01:33:11 | Patlabor221 | bz's not like a comercial product, but I don't know how you want to support the userbase |
| 01:33:14 | captain_proton | maintenence releases aren't really necessary when you're coming out with new versions every few months |
| 01:33:36 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 01:33:44 | captain_proton | there's really no huge need to maintain backwards compat |
| 01:34:05 | captain_proton | since its a free game |
| 01:34:09 | Patlabor221 | but if you make a release and then a month later it has a huge bug, do you tell them to wait 2 months? |
| 01:34:15 | Patlabor221 | you can allways patch |
| 01:34:16 | captain_proton | if people want to play, they download the most recent version |
| 01:34:17 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 01:34:25 | Patlabor221 | what if it's not stable |
| 01:34:55 | captain_proton | one of apathy's goals is that it stays stable |
| 01:35:13 | Patlabor221 | a noble goal |
| 01:35:43 | Patlabor221 | just means it's going to be harder to change large parts of it using more then one person |
| 01:36:02 | Patlabor221 | that's why we keep 2 current source branches here |
| 01:36:11 | Patlabor221 | the last "stable" release |
| 01:36:21 | Patlabor221 | and the "dev" where we can bust what ever the hell we want |
| 01:36:31 | captain_proton | well, it makes it hard to change large parts with a single person |
| 01:36:34 | Patlabor221 | then we "dev" settles down, we test the hell out of it |
| 01:36:44 | Patlabor221 | and then do a rooldown |
| 01:36:51 | bzdougg | ok.... this is odd, I can ping the computer, but I cant ping or do anything else from the computer... |
| 01:37:08 | captain_proton | but if we could get a group of people working on a temporary cvs branch hacking the hell outta something, it would work |
| 01:37:12 | Patlabor221 | if I can't check in and break something then CVS is pointless if me and you were working on something together. |
| 01:37:20 | Patlabor221 | yeah you need something to hack at |
| 01:37:40 | Patlabor221 | something where I can go "I'll check this in, you hook up your end" |
| 01:37:53 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:38:15 | captain_proton | we'd have to make sure we have a reasonable limit on the timeframe for a branch though |
| 01:38:23 | captain_proton | because eventually it gets too hairy to merge |
| 01:38:52 | Patlabor221 | why merge? |
| 01:39:07 | Patlabor221 | if somone makes a change in stable they have to make the same change in the unstable |
| 01:39:14 | Patlabor221 | then unstable becomes stable |
| 01:39:17 | captain_proton | once the group is finished with their rewrite of a component, it merges back into the main branch |
| 01:39:21 | Patlabor221 | then it's just a replace |
| 01:39:44 | Patlabor221 | you seem suck on this main branch concept. |
| 01:40:05 | Patlabor221 | why does there need to be a main branch? |
| 01:40:29 | captain_proton | because not everyone will want to work on the same thing at once |
| 01:40:43 | Patlabor221 | they don't have to |
| 01:41:05 | Patlabor221 | well BZ would have to be comparemetalised |
| 01:41:05 | captain_proton | but they have to wait until the group is done, if there isn't a working codebase for them to use |
| 01:41:56 | Patlabor221 | if it's done intelegently then it's not a problem |
| 01:42:11 | Patlabor221 | or they snap off a temp to do there stuff |
| 01:42:18 | captain_proton | that's what i'm saying |
| 01:42:19 | captain_proton | temp branch |
| 01:42:26 | captain_proton | then when its working, merge |
| 01:42:53 | Patlabor221 | there could be multiple temps tho |
| 01:43:03 | captain_proton | sure, why not |
| 01:43:07 | BZFrank | hi |
| 01:43:37 | bzdougg | HEY BZFrank!! |
| 01:43:39 | Patlabor221 | then you have the dev branch that everyone merges into would still be thecinaly "unstable" |
| 01:43:44 | Patlabor221 | since it has not been fully tested |
| 01:43:46 | BZFrank | hey doug |
| 01:43:57 | Patlabor221 | hye frank |
| 01:44:04 | BZFrank | hey pat :) |
| 01:44:10 | Patlabor221 | I think you would also want to keep a branch around that was the last released version |
| 01:44:25 | bzdougg | hows p2501 coming? |
| 01:44:30 | Patlabor221 | 1 so people could see the code for what they are playing |
| 01:44:47 | captain_proton | true, but so long as all the apparent bugs are out |
| 01:44:49 | captain_proton | ... |
| 01:44:55 | Patlabor221 | and 2 if they needed a fix or little custom tweak |
| 01:45:16 | BZFrank | doug: currently on hold until I got the soundtrack, then I need to give itsome effort to finally finish the stuff up |
| 01:45:26 | bzdougg | cool |
| 01:45:27 | Patlabor221 | they wouldn't have to deal with the new stuff that is potenialty untested and undoced and unsuported by current servers. |
| 01:45:40 | BZFrank | but the guitars are already recorded ;) |
| 01:45:49 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 01:45:50 | captain_proton | undoced? whoever said undoced? |
| 01:46:26 | Patlabor221 | the changes may not be fully docuemnted since they may be implemented in stages |
| 01:46:44 | captain_proton | i think devs need to document what they do |
| 01:46:51 | Patlabor221 | they should |
| 01:46:52 | captain_proton | else we'll all get confused |
| 01:47:13 | BZFrank | must be the weather, but I am lazy as hell - just coded my Linux based media box this week but I could not get myself up to do anything else... |
| 01:47:22 | bzdougg | hah |
| 01:47:22 | Patlabor221 | I just don't want somone to get source to say change there radar, and have to deal with some new map format as well |
| 01:47:26 | Patlabor221 | they will never check it in |
| 01:47:29 | Patlabor221 | they are just playing around. |
| 01:47:38 | bzdougg | brb |
| 01:47:50 | Patlabor221 | or if there is something like the jumping bug |
| 01:48:16 | Patlabor221 | tho CVS would allwo you to get back at that tag |
| 01:48:35 | Patlabor221 | its just not apperant to people who arn't "in the know" |
| 01:49:16 | Patlabor221 | I agree with his methods more then what was done for 1.8 |
| 01:49:24 | Patlabor221 | I would like to see a better plan |
| 01:49:42 | Patlabor221 | it still seems like Tim Vetto's a lot of things |
| 01:49:54 | Patlabor221 | so he seems to have some sort of "mental plan" |
| 01:50:03 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice to see that plan |
| 01:50:26 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:50:29 | BZFrank | couldn't you ask him? (sorry for coming late to the discussion) |
| 01:50:39 | Patlabor221 | or at least a BZ "idology" |
| 01:50:49 | Patlabor221 | I think we should |
| 01:51:05 | Patlabor221 | I would like an idea of how he feels the game should "feel" |
| 01:51:29 | Patlabor221 | statements like "no on drop events" arn't good engouht |
| 01:51:33 | Patlabor221 | I want to know why |
| 01:51:43 | BZFrank | why the issue, are such major changes planed for 1.8? |
| 01:51:55 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 is a jumble of poo |
| 01:52:02 | Patlabor221 | and it's not going anywhere |
| 01:52:04 | BZFrank | i noticed |
| 01:52:17 | Patlabor221 | there is the sugestion to go back to 1.7 and evolve |
| 01:52:35 | Patlabor221 | pulling things in parts form 1.8 if needed, but not outright breaking stuff. |
| 01:53:06 | Patlabor221 | me and cap talked about replacning parts of bzs platform stuff with our own libs |
| 01:53:21 | BZFrank | sounds ok to me |
| 01:53:43 | Patlabor221 | to me it jsut seems that many people have good ideas but no clear plan |
| 01:53:55 | Patlabor221 | and some people just have plain stupid ideas :) |
| 01:54:08 | Patlabor221 | like people want to be able to skin there tanks |
| 01:54:13 | Patlabor221 | 1) there are cheating issues |
| 01:54:19 | BZFrank | most of them only want to 'Extend' but they do not have clear picture what is important and neccessary |
| 01:54:30 | Patlabor221 | 2) the tank is no where set up to be skined with anything that's usable |
| 01:54:40 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 01:54:46 | Patlabor221 | too much "ohh that would be cool" |
| 01:54:59 | BZFrank | e.g. new flags - screw that, not needed, build a foundation instead |
| 01:55:20 | Patlabor221 | from an end user perpective the bigest thing is cheating |
| 01:55:32 | BZFrank | yes, i notives some new ones this week too |
| 01:55:37 | Patlabor221 | from a server adim perspective the biget thing is cheating |
| 01:55:38 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 01:55:39 | BZFrank | cheats that is |
| 01:55:41 | bzdougg | like what? |
| 01:55:44 | bzdougg | BZFrank: :) |
| 01:55:52 | BZFrank | SPTTNGM patch in the client |
| 01:56:06 | Patlabor221 | from a designers perspective it's the lack of verity in the world file. |
| 01:56:18 | BZFrank | Shortest path to the next GM - it shows apparently the next gm with a red line in the radar |
| 01:56:21 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:56:27 | bzdougg | cool |
| 01:56:45 | BZFrank | no not cool, because it is not traceable from the serverside |
| 01:56:45 | Patlabor221 | there is also the issue of speed on large object maps |
| 01:57:02 | bzdougg | ah |
| 01:57:21 | BZFrank | and this person also tooted around how cool his new patch in chardonay |
| 01:57:26 | Patlabor221 | server should send the flag data only when you ether pick it up or ID it. |
| 01:57:34 | BZFrank | pat: display speed? |
| 01:57:52 | Patlabor221 | large number of objects kill BZ |
| 01:57:57 | Patlabor221 | and can even crash it |
| 01:58:17 | Patlabor221 | the world DB takes too loong to process it |
| 01:58:21 | BZFrank | how much objects are we taking here? |
| 01:58:30 | Patlabor221 | 1000 |
| 01:58:34 | Patlabor221 | 2000 |
| 01:58:35 | BZFrank | a the worlddb loading on start, i see |
| 01:58:47 | Patlabor221 | it's the walking of it to see what is visible |
| 01:58:52 | BZFrank | but this needs a complete rewriting on the network code |
| 01:58:54 | bzdougg | BZFrank: you should check out my 7000 + block world that I made |
| 01:58:56 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:59:08 | Patlabor221 | I am talking about per frame stuff |
| 01:59:15 | BZFrank | doug: needs a fast box to play, right? ;) |
| 01:59:21 | bzdougg | BZFrank: bzflag dies |
| 01:59:25 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:59:30 | Patlabor221 | needs grouping to ease the vis calc |
| 01:59:43 | bzdougg | heh |
| 01:59:43 | Patlabor221 | he's got a lot of little grouped boxes |
| 01:59:52 | bzdougg | a face... |
| 01:59:53 | Patlabor221 | but bz tests each of them |
| 01:59:59 | BZFrank | space partitioning |
| 02:00:09 | bzdougg | also, gradiants look cool in bzflag too |
| 02:00:11 | bzdougg | :) |
| 02:00:14 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking of something even similer |
| 02:00:20 | BZFrank | octree or similar |
| 02:00:21 | Patlabor221 | simpler |
| 02:00:32 | Patlabor221 | the users want grouping in the editor |
| 02:00:42 | BZFrank | I use a partition field instead, simpler and fast for area game types |
| 02:00:42 | Patlabor221 | why not just send the group info to the client |
| 02:00:53 | Patlabor221 | then keep a bbox for each group |
| 02:00:53 | BZFrank | ah, only editing |
| 02:01:08 | Patlabor221 | if the gorup is out so it all it's children |
| 02:01:17 | Patlabor221 | shoudl be fast engouh |
| 02:01:47 | Patlabor221 | opps time to get to the DnD game |
| 02:02:58 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 02:03:25 | bzdougg | DnD? |
| 02:03:36 | BZFrank | DragnDrop, must be for the ditor |
| 02:03:38 | BZFrank | editor |
| 02:03:53 | BZFrank | or Dungeons and Dragons ;) |
| 02:03:56 | bzdougg | ah |
| 02:04:02 | bzdougg | its that one |
| 02:04:03 | bzdougg | :) |
| 02:04:04 | BZFrank | whatever |
| 02:04:08 | bzdougg | see channel topic |
| 02:04:49 | bzdougg | :) |
| 02:05:11 | BZFrank | yep ;) |
| 02:05:46 | bzdougg | so any new updates to p2501? |
| 02:06:02 | BZFrank | not much, except the soundtrack is in the works |
| 02:06:18 | bzdougg | heh |
| 02:06:25 | bzdougg | as long as its not nasty music... |
| 02:06:26 | bzdougg | :) |
| 02:06:30 | BZFrank | and my birthday is coming up on friday, so no work the weekend ;) |
| 02:06:35 | bzdougg | haha |
| 02:06:39 | bzdougg | ~sing |
| 02:06:39 | bbot | Mr Haankey the christmas poo!!! |
| 02:06:45 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 02:06:55 | BZFrank | not the right song *eg* |
| 02:07:00 | bzdougg | :) |
| 02:07:50 | BZFrank | still I continue work on it, it is 95% ready, why not finish up the rest |
| 02:08:05 | bzdougg | 95%? |
| 02:08:10 | bzdougg | whats left? |
| 02:08:12 | bzdougg | menus? |
| 02:08:40 | BZFrank | I only disliked the 'hooboo' around it, people kept begging me for releases and seldom returned anything at all (not even test information) |
| 02:08:51 | bzdougg | clicks turbo and watches his computer run up to 4.5 ghz |
| 02:08:57 | bzdougg | lol |
| 02:08:58 | bzdougg | yea |
| 02:09:01 | bzdougg | brb |
| 02:11:11 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i told ya what broke ;) |
| 02:11:39 | BZFrank | captain: yeah, you are a nice guy :) |
| 02:12:25 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:12:34 | bzdougg | it works on my computers! |
| 02:12:39 | bzdougg | :P |
| 02:12:45 | bzdougg | also, it dont work on a 133 mhz laptop |
| 02:12:48 | bzdougg | :( |
| 02:13:13 | BZFrank | what? clocking up to 4 Ghz ? ;) |
| 02:13:22 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 02:13:30 | bzdougg | yea, I DEEEP freeze it |
| 02:13:35 | bzdougg | 0 kelven even |
| 02:13:42 | BZFrank | my advice is 'keep pouring liquid nitogen on you cpu then' :) |
| 02:13:42 | bzdougg | snickers |
| 02:13:48 | bzdougg | haha |
| 02:14:04 | bzdougg | :B |
| 02:14:16 | BZFrank | so folks tried liquid oxygen, but that proves unfortunate ;) |
| 02:14:18 | bzdougg | 8-B = geek |
| 02:14:24 | bzdougg | haha, sorta |
| 02:14:34 | bzdougg | what about liquid hrydrogen? |
| 02:15:03 | captain_proton | hydrogen bypasses a liquid stage |
| 02:15:48 | bzdougg | (look out for that *ZAP* wire... *BOOOM*) |
| 02:15:48 | BZFrank | solid hydrogen then ;) you can throw it better on the cpu |
| 02:15:48 | bzdougg | haha |
| 02:15:50 | bzdougg | you can bolt it down |
| 02:15:54 | bzdougg | like dry ice |
| 02:15:59 | captain_proton | umm |
| 02:16:07 | captain_proton | like dry ice? |
| 02:16:19 | bzdougg | its solid... |
| 02:16:26 | bzdougg | never mind |
| 02:16:36 | bzdougg | (enginneers) |
| 02:16:36 | BZFrank | only it would be metalic in character I think, not good for the contacts |
| 02:16:44 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:16:50 | bzdougg | true... |
| 02:16:50 | captain_proton | solid hydrogen is not only -like- dry ice, it -is- dry ice |
| 02:17:05 | BZFrank | also to pressure to keep it in this stage would be a bit higher than normal room pressure |
| 02:17:09 | bzdougg | it IS? |
| 02:17:19 | bzdougg | BZFrank: a "bit" |
| 02:17:24 | bzdougg | :P |
| 02:17:28 | BZFrank | a tiny bit |
| 02:17:31 | BZFrank | ;) |
| 02:17:40 | bzdougg | sure |
| 02:18:20 | BZFrank | see that: that is the future of overclocking: http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.html :) |
| 02:18:37 | bzdouggg | hah |
| 02:18:41 | bzdouggg | I seen that |
| 02:18:44 | bzdouggg | funnnnny!!! |
| 02:19:27 | bzdouggg | Note: This page is best viewed using Ham Explorer 4.0 or better (if you can can have it) in a resolution of 8x6 folicals, blindfolded and facing away from the monitor. Preferably with clothes on and a member of the clergy present. |
| 02:20:13 | BZFrank | sounds like good advice ;) |
| 02:20:56 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 02:21:57 | bzdouggg | grins |
| 02:22:03 | BZFrank | well, at least I have done something productive this week... |
| 02:22:06 | bzdouggg | The only thing to survive the ordeal was the freezer, proving that superior British engineering always prevails (or something). |
| 02:22:08 | bzdouggg | like? |
| 02:22:24 | BZFrank | getting the mdeia box running, works nice now! |
| 02:22:29 | BZFrank | media box |
| 02:22:31 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 02:23:14 | BZFrank | beside my TV is now a small linux pc, it directly boots into X11, starts my media player, is completely controlled by IR remote and can play anything for Divx to DVD |
| 02:23:44 | bzdouggg | cool |
| 02:23:58 | BZFrank | and the HD can be access by network, the user itnerface is based on StarTrek NG (LCAR), it looks like from Enterprise itself *grins* |
| 02:24:15 | bzdouggg | haha |
| 02:24:21 | BZFrank | does not even need a keyboard anymore |
| 02:24:21 | bzdouggg | does it have a TV card in it? |
| 02:24:27 | BZFrank | yes, for recording |
| 02:24:30 | bzdouggg | ooh |
| 02:24:48 | bzdouggg | and it recieves broadcast, cable? |
| 02:25:08 | BZFrank | analog cable, unfortunately no DV here in the cable |
| 02:25:13 | bzdouggg | :( |
| 02:25:29 | BZFrank | but still 30 channels of sh*t on the TV to choose from ;) |
| 02:25:38 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 02:25:41 | bzdouggg | 30? |
| 02:25:43 | bzdouggg | wow |
| 02:25:44 | bzdouggg | I have.... |
| 02:25:46 | bzdouggg | 5 |
| 02:26:24 | BZFrank | well, on sat it would be in the 100s of channels |
| 02:26:49 | BZFrank | remember each any every european nation has its own station (often several) |
| 02:26:50 | bzdouggg | hehe |
| 02:26:53 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 02:26:56 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 02:27:23 | BZFrank | so we get swiss, austria even turkish channels on cabel |
| 02:27:31 | jzaun | ok cap, the first time the map image is viewed it takes some time as it is creating it and storeing it into the db. All other views are much much quicker. I'm loading the map page now so in about 5 min they should all be chached. |
| 02:28:12 | bzdouggg | hhmm |
| 02:28:24 | bzdouggg | jzaun cool |
| 02:31:07 | jzaun | ok they are all cached... is it any quicker loading the page now? |
| 02:31:32 | bzdouggg | alot faster! |
| 02:32:22 | jzaun | good :-) |
| 02:42:19 | jzaun | yah, got icons now for each type of news... general tips flames and BZCops |
| 02:44:56 | BZFrank | http://www.automower.com/node350.asp <- thats also need for bz, to keep the grass low on the playground ;) |
| 02:46:34 | BZFrank | gone to bed, cu |
| 03:08:05 | fiberchunks | hi all |
| 03:08:40 | fiberchunks | is anyone here? |
| 03:09:01 | jzaun | wa are all here |
| 03:09:06 | jzaun | some of us may not be at the computer though |
| 03:11:00 | fiberchunks | I'm trying to get xchat to play nice...but I can't log in to irc.openprojects.net:6666 -- |
| 03:11:33 | jzaun | Why do you want 6666? |
| 03:11:58 | fiberchunks | well, I'm not sure, but that seems to be what I get for a message here..on the web chat |
| 03:12:27 | jzaun | The both work. just tryed. if 6666 doesn't for you try 6667 |
| 03:13:01 | fiberchunks | tried that too: here's the error: USER: not enough parameters |
| 03:13:35 | jzaun | your getting this with XChat? |
| 03:14:08 | fiberchunks | yes...and I have no idea what it means... |
| 03:14:44 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: what version of xchat? |
| 03:14:45 | jzaun | When you launch XChat and your at the Server list window, are all og the User info blocks filled in? |
| 03:14:53 | fiberchunks | It goes through and finds the hostname, checks identd, identd doesn't give response, and then it gives that message |
| 03:15:19 | fiberchunks | yes they are jzaun...v 1.8.7 |
| 03:17:23 | fiberchunks | yes they are jzaun...v 1.8.7 |
| 03:17:25 | jzaun | not sure type "/join #xchat" and try asking on that channel |
| 03:17:47 | fiberchunks | sorry, think I may have missed something there... |
| 03:18:00 | jzaun | not sure type "/join #xchat" and try asking on that channel |
| 03:18:45 | fiberchunks | can someone help me out with xchat problem? |
| 03:18:54 | fiberchunks | hang on, I'll relogin |
| 03:19:31 | jzaun | fiberchunks2: type "/join #xchat" then "/leave #bzflag" |
| 03:19:40 | jzaun | that should move you to that room |
| 03:19:53 | jzaun | the web interface isn't the best.... |
| 03:20:22 | fiberchunks2 | yah, but I'm trying to login on xchat with fiberchunks_ |
| 03:20:29 | jzaun | ahh |
| 03:20:47 | fiberchunks2 | auth: looking up hostname |
| 03:20:55 | fiberchunks2 | auth: found hostname, welcome back |
| 03:21:07 | fiberchunks2 | auth: checking ident |
| 03:21:24 | fiberchunks2 | auth: no identd (auth) response |
| 03:21:53 | jzaun | fiberchunks2: can you login to any other network? |
| 03:22:50 | fiberchunks | lord, I'm having difficulties today |
| 03:23:05 | fiberchunks | auth: no identd (auth) response |
| 03:23:09 | jzaun | I've asked in xchat, just waiting for a responce |
| 03:23:28 | fiberchunks | Closing link: fiberchunks_ (bad user info) |
| 03:23:36 | fiberchunks | those are all the errors I'm getting |
| 03:23:44 | fiberchunks | thanks jzaun |
| 03:25:55 | fiberchunks_ | I don't understand why this is happening -- used to work fine before |
| 03:26:22 | jzaun | are you behind a firewall? |
| 03:26:58 | fiberchunks_ | well, a router that does basic NAT |
| 03:27:18 | fiberchunks_ | do I have to open a port up? I've never had to before. |
| 03:27:55 | jzaun | I don't beleave you have to |
| 03:28:18 | fiberchunks_ | hmmmm...works fine over this interface, but not through the normal channels...hang on |
| 03:30:26 | fiberchunks_ | any answer? |
| 03:32:40 | jzaun | nope |
| 03:32:46 | jzaun | looks like they are all alseep |
| 03:32:56 | jzaun | wich, unfortunatly I have to do myself |
| 03:33:01 | jzaun | Hope you get things working |
| 03:33:03 | fiberchunks_ | argh...well, I'll do some research on the web, see if I can find out anything -- thanks |
| 03:44:38 | fiberchunks__ | that works |
| 03:45:41 | fiberchunks | ah ha...anyone here? |
| 03:45:48 | fiberchunks | or reading, rather? |
| 04:07:18 | remote | hello. |
| 04:08:59 | remote | anyone works on bzflag ? |
| 04:09:09 | remote | I've got alot of segfaults using it. |
| 04:09:24 | captain_proton | remote: what OS? |
| 04:10:08 | captain_proton | linux? |
| 04:16:17 | doughecka | sweet |
| 04:16:21 | doughecka | :) |
| 04:40:33 | bzdougg | hey |
| 04:40:35 | bzdougg | anyone here? |
| 04:40:43 | bzdougg | try this |
| 04:40:45 | bzdougg | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/tsweb/default.htm |
| 04:41:10 | bzdougg | and click connect |
| 04:55:55 | bzdougg | is away: bed |
| 05:10:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so are we dropping down to 1.7? |
| 05:10:52 | BZFlag | dropping down? hmm. still undecided. |
| 05:11:23 | BZFlag | there are a lot of Good Things in 1.8. Perhaps we should start rolling them into 1.7 and cleaning it up as we go. |
| 05:11:33 | captain_proton | Good Things? |
| 05:11:41 | captain_proton | examples? :P |
| 05:11:59 | BZFlag | well, the one port network code without the annoying reconnect for example. |
| 05:12:13 | BZFlag | and the same playerids on client and server. |
| 05:20:59 | captain_proton | that's pretty trivial |
| 05:25:30 | BZFlag | yeah, as I said, we should likely suck out the bits and apply to 1.7 |
| 05:25:40 | BZFlag | not today though. |
| 05:25:48 | BZFlag | well, at least not for me. ;-) |
| 05:26:12 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:39:58 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> it still seems like Tim Veto's a lot of things |
| 05:39:58 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> so he seems to have some sort of "mental plan" |
| 05:39:58 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> it would be nice to see that plan |
| 05:40:00 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 05:40:22 | patlabor221 | whoa deja vo |
| 05:41:01 | patlabor221 | does this mean there is a glitch in the system and I should get a shotgun? |
| 05:41:44 | captain_proton | nerf guns work better |
| 05:41:54 | patlabor221 | nerf shotgun |
| 05:42:21 | patlabor221 | tho I do have the fully automatic 15 ball nerf gun |
| 05:42:26 | patlabor221 | takes 6 D baterties |
| 05:42:37 | patlabor221 | aka the Nerf SMG |
| 05:44:44 | patlabor221 | but yes a BZ Bible as it were woudl be nice |
| 05:54:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: poke |
| 05:55:10 | patlabor221 | 'es head jim |
| 05:55:14 | patlabor221 | gahh |
| 05:55:18 | patlabor221 | 'es dead jim |
| 05:55:20 | patlabor221 | there we go |
| 05:55:25 | patlabor221 | compte difrence |
| 06:00:07 | BZFlag | back... |
| 06:00:21 | patlabor221 | oh 'es not dead |
| 06:01:26 | BZFlag | I veto things cause they don't seem to fit. BZFlag should remain playable by a 5 year old. It's a simple game. Now there are other things that more advanced players can so, but they are not required to enjoy the game. (just to be better ;-) |
| 06:01:40 | BZFlag | along the same lines... |
| 06:01:55 | BZFlag | game play needs to remain fair. |
| 06:02:07 | BZFlag | I'd like to head to more balance rather than less. |
| 06:02:16 | patlabor221 | yes all your vetos make sense |
| 06:02:45 | BZFlag | so all mighty flags are out, as are "oops, you're dead" type things. |
| 06:03:09 | BZFlag | the idea is to make the player wits and ability more important, not less. |
| 06:03:52 | patlabor221 | I saw something about "no on drop event's |
| 06:03:59 | patlabor221 | what is the reasoning behind that? |
| 06:04:38 | BZFlag | I have not seen a "on drop" that I would want to always happen. it overloads the normal drop sequence. |
| 06:04:54 | BZFlag | the closest I have seen is the "kill or be killed" flag. |
| 06:05:06 | patlabor221 | true |
| 06:05:18 | BZFlag | ie: a bad flag (which you could not drop yourself anyway) which kills you when it times out. |
| 06:05:32 | patlabor221 | most of the "on drop things" are just using "drop" as way to activate |
| 06:05:54 | captain_proton | what might make more sense is adding an N-use field to flags |
| 06:06:02 | patlabor221 | ues |
| 06:06:03 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:06:05 | captain_proton | which seems to be the real idea behind on-drop actions |
| 06:06:07 | patlabor221 | and way to activate them |
| 06:06:10 | BZFlag | right. drop is not a good activate. and right click for GM/lock is a good mix. other right click activate actions might not be so clear. |
| 06:06:41 | patlabor221 | a stealth that had a timer, but you actived with a "use" may not be bad ether |
| 06:07:08 | BZFlag | perhaps, but there is a stealth now. |
| 06:07:26 | patlabor221 | it was just an example |
| 06:07:47 | BZFlag | yeah. a shield on shot might be interesting. |
| 06:07:54 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so the 1.7 thing is a go? |
| 06:08:16 | BZFlag | captain_proton: well, looks like there will be a 1.7e8 at least. |
| 06:08:18 | patlabor221 | cap: I still haven't seen you guys have a solid plan |
| 06:08:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'm talking about apathy's spiel |
| 06:09:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I have not decided yet. I need a chance to really review the overall status of 1.8 |
| 06:09:51 | captain_proton | it would be nice to know for sure whether its even worth it to work on a plan for evolving 1.7 |
| 06:10:14 | BZFlag | if there is concensus with the other developers, I would likely go with the concensus though. |
| 06:10:36 | captain_proton | well chestal doesn't care so long as he can still play his no-jumping CTF |
| 06:10:39 | patlabor221 | I would think the plan for evlobing 1.7 would look just like the plan for 1.8, just the 1.8 plan would have "fix busted stuff to make like 1.7" |
| 06:11:36 | BZFlag | the question is whether the work in 1.8 is easier to finish or easier to just redo piecemeal in 1.7 |
| 06:12:50 | captain_proton | imo 1.8 has only made the architecture nightmare in 1.7 worse |
| 06:22:03 | captain_proton | at any rate, i think we need to create a list of things and get people to check them off as they're done |
| 06:22:38 | BZFlag | that would be useful. want to use the SF task area? |
| 06:23:00 | captain_proton | might as well, it exists |
| 06:23:24 | captain_proton | also a link on stats and server mesgs begging for developers :) |
| 06:23:58 | patlabor221 | is it lack of devs? or lack of plan? |
| 06:24:00 | BZFlag | that would be nice too. |
| 06:24:05 | captain_proton | patlabor221: both |
| 06:24:25 | BZFlag | lack of hours for those that know what to do, and lack of info on what to do for those who have the hours. |
| 06:24:27 | captain_proton | most of our current devs lack motivation, time, or both |
| 06:24:29 | patlabor221 | I don't think you can judge the number of willing devs till you have a plan |
| 06:30:54 | patlabor221 | perhaps also get what each dev want's to work on |
| 06:31:03 | patlabor221 | like me and net code. not a good idea |
| 06:41:15 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how long will it take for you to decide? |
| 06:42:28 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. not sure. take a vote from developers? or start a thread on the dev list? |
| 06:42:37 | BZFlag | those things would help. |
| 06:45:42 | captain_proton | we don't have a huge # of developers to vote on the issue |
| 06:48:41 | BZFlag | agreed. ok, we know MAC's vote. what's your's? |
| 06:50:45 | captain_proton | i'm leaning towards agreeing with MAC, but i'm happy with either so long as we actually get something done |
| 06:54:16 | patlabor221 | I think the 1.8 way has a larger impact on the non dev comunity in the areas of content creation |
| 06:54:32 | BZFlag | not yet it doesn't |
| 06:54:39 | patlabor221 | well it looks like it can |
| 06:54:47 | BZFlag | now, there I agree. ;-) |
| 06:54:51 | patlabor221 | and there dosnt seem to be a upgrade path for worlds |
| 06:55:17 | captain_proton | for whatever world format we devise it woudln't be hard to write a converter |
| 06:55:23 | BZFlag | there could/should be a script to convert worlds at some point. |
| 06:55:32 | patlabor221 | you would hope so |
| 06:55:44 | BZFlag | things like the laser world would not work as intended though. |
| 06:55:53 | captain_proton | howso? |
| 06:56:14 | patlabor221 | it's just with the regons and all the arbitary geo, there is going to have to be a 're-training" of sorts |
| 06:56:21 | BZFlag | .01 off the floor will eventually mean nothing if colision detection is changed. |
| 06:56:35 | captain_proton | well, true |
| 06:56:48 | captain_proton | but that should never have been put in the laser world anyway ;) |
| 06:57:02 | BZFlag | others like "transparent buildings" etc will "break" as the "bugs" are "fixed". |
| 06:57:59 | captain_proton | well, transparent buildings won't break if we split up visibile and collision geometry like crs planned |
| 06:58:14 | BZFlag | well, supporting those misfeatures would make the conversion script more difficult. |
| 06:58:41 | captain_proton | i don't think the converter needs to be that smart |
| 06:58:44 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 06:58:59 | patlabor221 | just means more dev overhead |
| 06:59:02 | patlabor221 | converter |
| 06:59:06 | patlabor221 | new editor |
| 06:59:17 | patlabor221 | new plans on how to handle everything |
| 06:59:32 | captain_proton | we don't need to do it all at once |
| 06:59:44 | patlabor221 | true |
| 07:00:09 | patlabor221 | but with out an editor test worlds will be rather simple |
| 07:00:43 | captain_proton | well, individual portions of the collision, etc can be tested with simple test worlds |
| 07:00:50 | captain_proton | and complicated test worlds can be generated procedurally |
| 07:01:28 | patlabor221 | and I would have to finish that model converter |
| 07:02:02 | patlabor221 | or secretly replace BZG with folders crystals. |
| 07:02:16 | captain_proton | bzg is scary |
| 07:02:42 | patlabor221 | that it is |
| 07:02:49 | patlabor221 | A3d won't be scary |
| 07:03:02 | patlabor221 | and contain all sorts of spiffy things |
| 07:15:00 | patlabor221 | must ponder normal smoothing |
| 07:22:11 | remote | I've got alot of segfaults using bzflag |
| 07:22:12 | remote | on linux |
| 07:22:17 | remote | anyone had that ? |
| 07:22:27 | captain_proton | remote: how does one get a lot of segfaults? |
| 07:22:43 | remote | well it's always the same I think |
| 07:22:51 | remote | it happens when I try to conect to a server |
| 07:23:11 | BZFlag | bad links can do that, yes? |
| 07:23:11 | remote | It'll do it up to 4 times then I'll get to connect to the server. |
| 07:23:17 | captain_proton | any server? a specific one? |
| 07:23:27 | captain_proton | BZFlag: bad links cause a segfault when you try to go through the tele |
| 07:23:33 | BZFlag | ah |
| 07:23:36 | remote | many servers |
| 07:23:49 | captain_proton | remote: can you get us a backtrace of the segfault? |
| 07:23:58 | remote | what's that |
| 07:24:05 | BZFlag | expected that |
| 07:24:13 | remote | heh. |
| 07:25:19 | remote | ok I'm going back to my game. |
| 07:31:42 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: are you cheery today? |
| 07:31:46 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: mostly |
| 07:34:37 | captain_proton | how goes? |
| 07:38:16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: whose other votes do you need? |
| 07:38:43 | MrApathyCream | peachy |
| 07:43:44 | MrApathyCream | what are we voting on? |
| 07:44:01 | captain_proton | your idear |
| 07:44:17 | MrApathyCream | arr |
| 07:44:29 | captain_proton | hands MrApathyCream a parrot |
| 07:44:53 | MrApathyCream | sits said parrot on shoulder |
| 08:40:31 | captain_proton | checks for replies on bzflag-dev |
| 08:44:49 | MrApathyCream | ribit |
| 08:45:16 | captain_proton | wow 20 replies already! |
| 08:51:17 | strayer | hiho... :) |
| 09:04:39 | MrApathyCream | kul, cappy! |
| 09:04:53 | MrApathyCream | lo strayer |
| 09:09:28 | MrApathyCream | a tome approaches captain_proton |
| 09:09:42 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ? |
| 09:10:58 | Mayhem | What's wrong with the 1.8 codebase, that would make it a nightmare? |
| 09:11:17 | Mayhem | just got an email suggesting such |
| 09:11:45 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ahh |
| 09:12:23 | captain_proton | Mayhem: its a lot of code, that nobody really understands, which is missing a lot of the stuff 1.7 had. |
| 09:14:09 | Mayhem | Yes, but from my (brief) hacking on it, it 1.7 seems a lot more of a mess |
| 09:14:35 | captain_proton | 1.8 just took 1.7 and replaced the rendering engine, then we added some useless stuff |
| 09:14:50 | Mayhem | ah, i see |
| 09:14:54 | captain_proton | the new rendering engine is huge |
| 09:15:17 | captain_proton | and while it adds a lot of extensibility, the xml files it expects are a pain to make |
| 09:15:20 | Mayhem | there was a fair bit of restructuring too though, and reworked net code? |
| 09:15:37 | captain_proton | reworking of the net code is still on the TODO list |
| 09:16:11 | captain_proton | we moved to a single-port design and aligned player ids between client and server, thats about as far as it got |
| 09:16:13 | strayer | captain_proton: 'a lot of code, that nobody really understands'...that sounds like a Microsoft product :( |
| 09:16:51 | Mayhem | is it the case that people don't understand it just because they are all still working on 1.7? |
| 09:17:20 | captain_proton | Mayhem: nobody is really working on 1.8 -or- 1.7 at this point |
| 09:17:28 | Mayhem | once they 'switch' to 1.8 they get used to it (there seemed to be still a lot of commonality) |
| 09:17:47 | captain_proton | so far i think i'm the only one who's taken the time to learn about the 1.8 system, and there are a lot of holes in my knowledge |
| 09:17:59 | strayer | isnt 1.8 made of a lot modules, or is this planned for the next release...? |
| 09:18:06 | captain_proton | strayer: neither |
| 09:18:30 | Mayhem | I'm interested in helping with the development, I started looking at 1.8, but everyone seemed to be adding bits to 1.7 instead |
| 09:18:56 | captain_proton | Mayhem: well, thats what we're getting a discussion going about |
| 09:19:01 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 09:19:06 | strayer | captain_proton: oh...its work to do so for the first time but it would help ...isnt it? |
| 09:19:08 | captain_proton | either way, we need to get working on something |
| 09:19:47 | captain_proton | strayer: i don't think 'modules' per se, but we definitely need a better architecture for some of this |
| 09:19:55 | Mayhem | I recall Tim Riker saying months ago he wanted dev on 1.7 to stop so we could concentrace on 1.8... what happened |
| 09:20:06 | MrApathyCream | no one wanted to work on 1.8 |
| 09:20:13 | MrApathyCream | too buggy and too complicated |
| 09:20:27 | Mayhem | buggy? |
| 09:20:35 | MrApathyCream | lots of stuff got broken |
| 09:20:57 | captain_proton | we still don't have things like tanks exploding into pieces when they're destroyed |
| 09:21:06 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 09:21:21 | Mayhem | isn't that normal for a development version? |
| 09:21:32 | captain_proton | Mayhem: well, not really |
| 09:21:51 | captain_proton | what crs did was he completely replaced a huge amount of stuff all at once, but his replacements were incomplete |
| 09:21:55 | Mayhem | it compiles, it runs, its sort of playable... |
| 09:21:57 | strayer | this sounds like a good point of time to think about a new architecture... |
| 09:22:10 | MrApathyCream | it might be ok if your paying people, but in opensource it can be very demoralizing given time constraints |
| 09:22:14 | captain_proton | and nobody really wanted to spend their time reimplementing old features in a crufty design |
| 09:22:38 | captain_proton | it might have worked out if everyone had actually decided to make the effort |
| 09:22:47 | Mayhem | true... but 1.7 is even cruftier |
| 09:22:47 | captain_proton | but as it was i was the only one doing stuff, and i got frustrated |
| 09:22:52 | captain_proton | Mayhem: not true |
| 09:23:06 | | i haven't a clue, mrapathycream |
| 09:23:06 | MrApathyCream | ibot, crufty? |
| 09:23:15 | captain_proton | 1.7 has some annoyances (like hardcoded geo) but in general its much simpler than 1.8 |
| 09:23:23 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 09:23:43 | Mayhem | hehe, thanks for your agreements MrApathyCream :) |
| 09:23:45 | captain_proton | all the new rendering stuff might have worked if we had rearchitected first, then done it |
| 09:24:40 | Mayhem | the rearchitecting seems to be necessary, it more a case of where is it easier to do |
| 09:25:15 | captain_proton | 1.7 is fundamentally simpler than 1.8 - imo, thats the only important argument |
| 09:25:30 | Mayhem | I thought 1.8 had already redesigned many of the important bits |
| 09:25:34 | captain_proton | the few necessary changes we've made in 1.8 (single port, playerid stuff) are trivial enough to reimplement |
| 09:25:43 | captain_proton | Mayhem: um, like? |
| 09:26:09 | Mayhem | more generic geometry, collisions... |
| 09:26:13 | Mayhem | umm... |
| 09:26:34 | captain_proton | collisions are still the same |
| 09:26:35 | Mayhem | all the stuff the mappers are screaming for? |
| 09:26:43 | captain_proton | the rendering engine is capable of complex geo but there's nothing using it because we don't have the collision stuff |
| 09:27:05 | captain_proton | and in general, the xml formats crs designed are just scary |
| 09:27:33 | MrApathyCream | points at captain_proton and nods (ok mayhem :)) |
| 09:28:00 | Mayhem | is that xml generally, or just crs' formats? |
| 09:28:28 | MrApathyCream | When you extract program logic into xml, it's much much more difficult to debug the code |
| 09:28:28 | captain_proton | i like xml, but in a lot of places he used it it doesn't make sense |
| 09:28:36 | Mayhem | k |
| 09:28:37 | captain_proton | like defining models with xml |
| 09:28:59 | captain_proton | (making it impossible to create models at all, since hand-writing geo doesn't work) |
| 09:29:42 | captain_proton | and if we're going to extract program logic, we should use a real scripting language, not a pseudo-script-xml-mess |
| 09:29:48 | Mayhem | would that just require an appropriate tool, or is it making it too hard? |
| 09:30:21 | captain_proton | well patlabor was/is working on a converter, but it doesn't work horribly well right now |
| 09:30:32 | MrApathyCream | needs sl33p |
| 09:30:44 | captain_proton | me too, gotta wake up in 5 hours |
| 09:30:53 | Mayhem | hehe, ok |
| 09:31:00 | Mayhem | I just got up :) |
| 09:31:17 | captain_proton | Mayhem: please email the list with all of your questions & thoughts :) |
| 09:31:27 | Mayhem | thanks for your thoughts... make sure you put them up somewhere everyone can read! |
| 09:31:45 | Mayhem | no prob |
| 09:32:17 | Mayhem | I just wanted the opinion of someone a lot closer to the code :) |
| 09:46:50 | bomber | moin |
| 09:46:53 | bomber | Pinguin? |
| 09:59:16 | Pinguin | hi bomber |
| 09:59:33 | Pinguin | what is a channel limit? |
| 10:03:05 | bomber | Pinguin have you called me? |
| 10:05:22 | Pinguin | hi bomberchen ... |
| 10:05:32 | Pinguin | how was the movie? |
| 10:06:52 | bomber | good |
| 10:22:20 | BZFlag | bbot: x en de this is a test |
| 10:22:20 | bbot | dieses ist ein Test |
| 10:23:11 | sussudio | bbot: x en de please be seated until the lights go out and extinguish your cigarettes |
| 10:23:20 | bbot | bitte setzen Sie, bis die Lichter Ihre Zigaretten erlöschen und auslöschen |
| 10:24:25 | BZFlag | sussudio: got a utf8 irc client? ;-) |
| 10:24:45 | sussudio | mirc? |
| 10:26:47 | BZFlag | don't know. I can get xchat to run utf8 under Linux, but it takes a bit of doing. |
| 10:27:12 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 10:36:11 | sussudio | bah.... i dont have to reboot in linux to change locales..... |
| 10:39:41 | sussudio | bbot x en de extinguish |
| 10:39:49 | bbot | löschen Sie aus |
| 10:39:58 | sussudio | nope that doesnt work |
| 10:43:47 | BZFlag | bummer. then this likely won't work either... |
| 10:44:07 | BZFlag | bbot: x en jp Get a real operating system |
| 10:44:12 | bbot | 実質ă®ă‚ªăƒăƒ¬ăƒ¼ăƒ†ă‚£ăƒ³ă‚°ă‚·ă‚¹ăƒ†ăƒ ă‚’å¾—ăªă•ă„ |
| 10:47:51 | | rumour has it bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions |
| 10:47:51 | BZFlag | ibot bzflag |
| 10:47:51 | BZFlag | bbot bzflag |
| 10:47:51 | bbot | methinks bzflag is Tim Riker |
| 10:48:37 | BZFlag | bbot, no bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions |
| 10:48:37 | bbot | okay, BZFlag |
| 10:48:37 | BZFlag | bbot lock bzflag |
| 10:48:37 | BZFlag | bbot: factinfo bzflag |
| 10:48:37 | bbot | bzflag -- created by BZFlag <timr@rikers.org> 1d 1h 43m 27s ago; it has been requested 3 times, last by BZFlag, 42s ago; it has been locked by BZFlag. |
| 12:10:01 | [dmp] | oh, seems like the mysql database is having problems at bzflag.org/league |
| 12:30:16 | [dmp] | hi [tea] . Did you get a match against the elite? |
| 12:37:11 | ak|ra | beyx all |
| 13:23:44 | sussudio | ibot x de en speichern |
| 13:23:50 | | sussudio: store |
| 14:05:57 | bzdougg | bbot bzdoug? |
| 14:05:57 | bbot | i haven't a clue, bzdougg |
| 14:06:19 | bzdougg | bbot bzdoug is <reply> the best... |
| 14:06:20 | bbot | bzdougg: okay |
| 14:06:25 | bzdougg | bbot lock bzdoug |
| 14:10:21 | [dmp] | bbot bzdoug? |
| 14:10:23 | bbot | thinks bzdoug sucks donkey bollocks in his spare time |
| 14:17:45 | | goodbye, bzdougg. |
| 14:17:45 | bzdougg | ibot part #bzflag |
| 14:18:41 | bzdoug | bbot forget bzdoug |
| 14:18:41 | bbot | bzdoug: i forgot bzdoug |
| 14:18:51 | bzdoug | bbot bzdoug is <reply> the best |
| 14:18:51 | bbot | bzdoug: okay |
| 14:18:58 | bzdoug | bbot lock bzdoug |
| 14:18:58 | bbot | locking factoid bzdoug, bzdoug |
| 14:19:02 | bzdoug | woo |
| 14:19:08 | [dmp] | :) |
| 14:19:20 | bzdoug | bbot factinfo bzdoug |
| 14:19:20 | bbot | bzdoug -- created by bzdoug <~NeXT@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net> 30s ago; it has been locked by bzdoug. |
| 14:19:26 | bzdoug | yay |
| 14:19:29 | | somebody said bzdoug was turdburglar |
| 14:19:29 | bzdoug | ibot bzdoug? |
| 14:19:36 | | bzdoug: I forgot bzdoug |
| 14:19:36 | bzdoug | ibot forget bzdoug |
| 14:19:50 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 14:19:50 | bzdoug | ibot bzdoug is <reply> the best |
| 14:19:55 | | bzdoug: huh? |
| 14:19:55 | bzdoug | ibot lock bzdoug |
| 14:19:57 | | i don't know, [dmp] |
| 14:19:57 | [dmp] | ibot dmp? |
| 14:19:58 | bzdoug | bah |
| 14:20:02 | bzdoug | older ibot |
| 14:20:06 | | [dmp]: i haven't a clue |
| 14:20:06 | [dmp] | ibot [dmp]? |
| 14:20:08 | Pinguin | ibot x en de bollocks |
| 14:20:12 | [dmp] | bbot [dmp]? |
| 14:20:13 | bbot | extra, extra, read all about it, [dmp] is a member of Procrastination Excess |
| 14:20:16 | | Pinguin: bollocks |
| 14:20:17 | [dmp] | wohoo. |
| 14:20:19 | bzdoug | ~sing |
| 14:20:20 | bbot | Mr Haankey the christmas poo!!! |
| 14:20:23 | [dmp] | now i get it. |
| 14:20:32 | bzdoug | ~brown |
| 14:20:34 | bbot | bzdoug: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:20:37 | bzdoug | ~poo |
| 14:20:37 | bbot | bzdoug: no idea |
| 14:20:40 | bzdoug | ~poop |
| 14:20:40 | bbot | paints the channel brown |
| 14:20:47 | bzdoug | ick |
| 14:20:50 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:20:52 | bzdoug | ~bzdoug |
| 14:20:53 | bbot | the best |
| 14:27:27 | [dmp] | ~bzflag |
| 14:27:28 | bbot | bzflag is, like, TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions |
| 14:27:42 | [dmp] | ~embedix |
| 14:27:43 | bbot | [dmp]: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:28:04 | sussudio | ~breadbox |
| 14:28:04 | bbot | i don't know, sussudio |
| 14:28:16 | [dmp] | hard to tell then :) |
| 14:28:29 | [dmp] | ~TimRiker |
| 14:28:30 | bbot | [dmp]: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:28:36 | [dmp] | ~bbot |
| 14:28:37 | bbot | somebody said bbot was a blootbot based infobot run by BZFlag that will soon replace ibot |
| 14:28:47 | bzdoug | nooo |
| 14:28:55 | bzdoug | not REPLACE IBOT? |
| 14:29:04 | [dmp] | ~ibot |
| 14:29:05 | bbot | [dmp]: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:29:09 | [dmp] | bbot ? |
| 14:29:10 | bbot | [dmp]: are you smoking crack? |
| 14:29:11 | bzdoug | ~part #bzflag |
| 14:29:11 | bbot | bzdoug: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:29:14 | bzdoug | bah |
| 14:29:39 | [dmp] | bbot: bbot? |
| 14:29:41 | bbot | methinks bbot is a blootbot based infobot run by BZFlag that will soon replace ibot |
| 14:29:46 | [dmp] | ah now i get it :) |
| 14:37:08 | [dmp] | bbot: wanna do 1on1 ? |
| 14:37:09 | bbot | [dmp]: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:37:19 | bzdoug | bbot 1 + 1 |
| 14:37:19 | bbot | 2 |
| 14:37:34 | [dmp] | bbot 2*2 + 1 |
| 14:37:35 | bbot | 5 |
| 14:37:46 | [dmp] | bbot 2+2 * 1 |
| 14:37:47 | bbot | 4 |
| 14:37:48 | bzdoug | bbot dec2bin 123456 |
| 14:37:49 | bbot | 11110001001000000 |
| 14:38:39 | [dmp] | bbot nickometer #bzflag |
| 14:38:41 | bbot | Nickometer list for #bzflag (3 shown): jp_ZzZ (71%) ;; captain_proton (14%) ;; ChanServ, Chestal, Pinguin, Widget, [dmp], bbot, bzdoug, fiberchunks, ibot, remote, scanline, snyke, sussudio (0%). |
| 14:38:57 | bzdoug | hahaha |
| 14:39:01 | [dmp] | bbot nickometer bbot |
| 14:39:04 | bbot | 'bbot' is 0% lame, [dmp] |
| 15:06:02 | prodan | waves. |
| 15:06:17 | sussudio | lo prozac |
| 15:06:20 | [dmp] | hi prodan |
| 15:06:35 | prodan | flashes his new ALDI DVD player. |
| 15:06:47 | sussudio | flashes innocent bystanders |
| 15:07:21 | prodan | calls the sittenpolizei. |
| 15:07:37 | sussudio | calls ghostbuster |
| 15:07:53 | prodan | drinks a pint of guinness. |
| 15:08:24 | sussudio | this is prozac's dvd player: http://www.aldi.nl/OFFER_NL/OFFER_44/BILD01.JPG |
| 15:09:21 | prodan | drinks another pint of guinness and starts sewing with his dvd. |
| 15:10:13 | prodan | sews some pink bunny pants and pulls them oer sussudio's head. |
| 15:10:29 | sussudio | plays the brown noise |
| 15:11:00 | prodan | brownian motion, white noise ??? |
| 15:11:11 | sussudio | no |
| 15:11:43 | prodan | is puzzled and therefore drinks another pint. |
| 15:13:24 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 15:13:29 | sussudio | that's doug's secret girlfriend |
| 15:14:05 | prodan | you? |
| 15:14:09 | sussudio | no |
| 15:54:39 | dougschool | hey Patlabor221!!! |
| 15:54:54 | dougschool | booya! |
| 15:56:44 | dougschool | lol |
| 15:58:53 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:58:53 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 15:59:06 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 15:59:12 | Patlabor221 | bah at x-chat |
| 15:59:47 | dougschool | lol |
| 16:00:08 | Patlabor221 | it will only autojoin the first channel in your channels list for a server |
| 16:00:32 | dougschool | hmm |
| 16:00:43 | dougschool | wheres that? |
| 16:01:08 | Patlabor221 | edit the server properties from the server list |
| 16:01:18 | Patlabor221 | and i tonly allows one line for a connect line |
| 16:02:46 | dougschool | oh |
| 16:22:55 | jp_ZzZ | Patlabor221: no really. |
| 16:23:05 | jp_ZzZ | put all the channels you want separates by a colon. |
| 16:24:56 | Patlabor221 | no realy what? |
| 16:25:12 | Patlabor221 | is confused |
| 16:25:24 | Patlabor221 | tried that didn't seem to work |
| 16:25:55 | Patlabor221 | well we'll see next time |
| 16:26:26 | Patlabor221 | and there tooltips and menus are supper sucky |
| 16:26:38 | Patlabor221 | won't even work on a neg side monitor |
| 16:27:18 | Patlabor221 | wonders where that IRC client class was |
| 16:30:28 | Patlabor221 | doug did you get that zip file? |
| 16:30:57 | dougschool | no |
| 16:31:08 | dougschool | downloads it again |
| 16:31:14 | dougschool | it stoped lastnight |
| 16:31:26 | Patlabor221 | well it won't go during the day |
| 16:31:34 | Patlabor221 | I will make it in smaller chuncks |
| 16:31:46 | Terminator | hi all |
| 16:33:46 | bzdoug | ok |
| 16:34:56 | [dmp] | hi terminator |
| 16:34:56 | Chestal | I think we need a good server page on bzflag.org |
| 16:35:05 | Chestal | not a dynamic list of servers, but a manual one with long descriptions |
| 16:35:06 | [dmp] | and chestal |
| 16:35:07 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:35:09 | | Terminator: bzf: unhandled "bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org: 5156" |
| 16:35:09 | Terminator | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org: 5156 |
| 16:35:21 | Chestal | provlem is, that for most serevrs, the admins are unknown |
| 16:35:25 | Terminator | hrm |
| 16:35:30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:35:30 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 16:35:36 | Terminator | ooh |
| 16:35:38 | Chestal | a lot of servers in the list, but only 4 or 5 are used |
| 16:35:50 | Chestal | newbies just join the top server obviously |
| 16:35:58 | Chestal | but that's usually bad for them when they want to learn the game |
| 16:36:08 | Terminator | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:36:08 | | Terminator: G:0(0-0) G-Spot(G)0(0-0) Cheech(G)0(0-0) |
| 16:36:17 | dougschool | ok |
| 16:36:21 | dougschool | its downloadinf |
| 16:36:59 | Patlabor221 | need a server ranking too |
| 16:41:36 | null | hola |
| 16:41:43 | Terminator | hi |
| 16:41:48 | Patlabor221 | /0 |
| 16:41:51 | null | how is everyone today? |
| 16:41:59 | strayer | hi |
| 16:42:19 | [dmp] | hi strayer |
| 16:42:26 | strayer | :) |
| 16:42:54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:43:02 | Terminator | i hate history it is dumb and pointless |
| 16:43:10 | null | heh |
| 16:43:17 | strayer | no... |
| 16:43:23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: btw, the channel autojoin list for xchat should be comma-separated (no whitespace) |
| 16:43:39 | Patlabor221 | that's what they tell me |
| 16:43:46 | Patlabor221 | I have set it up as such now |
| 16:43:56 | Patlabor221 | see if it works next time I fire up |
| 16:44:10 | Patlabor221 | it's just this windows version is not done that well |
| 16:44:18 | captain_proton | true |
| 16:44:25 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 16:44:31 | captain_proton | its still nicer than mirc |
| 16:44:35 | Terminator | strayer: it is the lessons are soo boring and i will never use any of the stuff i learn in history |
| 16:44:39 | bzdouggg | could some one goto heckaman.bzflag.org for me and click connect? |
| 16:44:43 | Patlabor221 | depends in what way |
| 16:44:46 | bzdouggg | it has to be a windows computer |
| 16:44:54 | Patlabor221 | I put it on my second monitor |
| 16:44:59 | captain_proton | mirc - an interface so bare, you could press a duck in it |
| 16:45:24 | Terminator | huh? |
| 16:45:40 | Patlabor221 | and all the menus show up on the edge of the first monitor |
| 16:45:40 | Patlabor221 | for what I do in IRC MIRC's interface is fine |
| 16:46:00 | captain_proton | wonders where these 8 inches of snow came from |
| 16:46:00 | Patlabor221 | it just dosn't show the full topic, and dosn't anounce when you are away |
| 16:46:00 | Patlabor221 | dougs head |
| 16:46:16 | Terminator | captain_proton: where u from? |
| 16:46:25 | Patlabor221 | alaska |
| 16:46:32 | Terminator | oh |
| 16:46:33 | Terminator | ok |
| 16:46:34 | Patlabor221 | he works on an oil deric |
| 16:46:40 | Terminator | k |
| 16:46:42 | captain_proton | haha |
| 16:46:50 | Patlabor221 | he's all gruff and mannly |
| 16:46:52 | captain_proton | Terminator: i'm in colorado |
| 16:47:06 | Patlabor221 | aww man my story was better |
| 16:47:23 | Terminator | captain_proton: yeah i thought u were at uni or sum sort of school still |
| 16:47:26 | Terminator | are ya |
| 16:47:47 | null | where in colorado proton? |
| 16:48:00 | Patlabor221 | I was gonna tell about the time you wresled a whale to the death |
| 16:48:06 | Terminator | lol |
| 16:48:18 | Terminator | no man could do that |
| 16:48:36 | captain_proton | haha |
| 16:48:42 | captain_proton | Terminator: right |
| 16:48:47 | captain_proton | null: boulder |
| 16:48:47 | Patlabor221 | a right swarthy man could |
| 16:48:55 | null | captain_proton: my work is forcing me to move to boulder |
| 16:49:05 | Terminator | Patlabor221: whale are too big |
| 16:49:09 | Patlabor221 | from where? |
| 16:49:31 | null | captain_proton: I dont really want to go tho |
| 16:49:31 | Patlabor221 | Terminator: size maters not, judge me by my size do you? |
| 16:49:44 | null | im from portland |
| 16:49:51 | captain_proton | null: don't want to leave where you are or just scared of us? |
| 16:50:13 | null | captain_proton: they are not giving me a raise |
| 16:50:17 | Terminator | Patlabor221: well i know u can't werstle a whale |
| 16:50:34 | Terminator | well at least without u getting killed |
| 16:50:34 | null | captain_proton: err going to |
| 16:51:09 | Patlabor221 | origon? you can't even pump your own gas there |
| 16:51:10 | Patlabor221 | what is up with that? |
| 16:51:10 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 16:51:12 | captain_proton | classtime |
| 16:51:12 | Patlabor221 | Terminator: true but I am not swarthy. |
| 16:51:18 | Patlabor221 | Terminator: fear the power of the swarth. |
| 16:51:34 | null | heheheh no sales tax :) |
| 16:51:50 | Patlabor221 | still, it's full of old pople |
| 16:51:59 | Patlabor221 | tis purdy there tho |
| 16:52:11 | Patlabor221 | drove through to washington bout 5 months ago |
| 16:52:27 | Patlabor221 | no maybe 6 or 7 months |
| 16:52:34 | null | correct on the odd part heh |
| 16:52:35 | Terminator | Patlabor221: i don't fear any swarth |
| 16:52:57 | Patlabor221 | Terminator: very good, not let me get a whale and you can prove it :) |
| 16:53:07 | Patlabor221 | or maybe it was just a rather fat lady |
| 16:53:25 | null | brb |
| 16:53:32 | Terminator | lol |
| 16:53:49 | Patlabor221 | how can coloroado be scarryer then origon? |
| 16:54:11 | Patlabor221 | no beaches |
| 16:54:24 | Patlabor221 | that's about all I can see as difrent |
| 16:54:49 | Patlabor221 | proalby have the same hatred of californians. |
| 16:54:49 | sussudio | scarryer? |
| 16:55:12 | Patlabor221 | yes, it's a new word I just invented. |
| 16:55:20 | Patlabor221 | it means goat cheese pizza |
| 16:55:31 | sussudio | colorado is like a pizza? |
| 16:56:01 | Patlabor221 | well most people are scared of goat cheese pizza |
| 16:56:10 | Patlabor221 | so it was sort of an anoalogy. |
| 16:56:40 | sussudio | analogy? |
| 16:56:48 | Patlabor221 | that to |
| 16:56:49 | sussudio | scarier? |
| 16:57:05 | sussudio | wonders why the trees are purple in this episode of SG1 |
| 16:57:21 | Patlabor221 | it's a "difrent" world |
| 16:57:29 | sussudio | purpletreeworld |
| 16:57:41 | Patlabor221 | what one has purple trees? |
| 16:57:57 | Patlabor221 | p4532-5? |
| 16:58:03 | sussudio | dunno i just turned the tv on |
| 16:59:38 | sussudio | it's the episode where they go through the stargate and they get on another planet :-P |
| 16:59:40 | strayer_ | ...this is a stupid episode of SG1... |
| 17:00:17 | sussudio | damn.... that's almost the same as the description in this stupid tv guide |
| 17:00:45 | Patlabor221 | they do that in all the eopisodes |
| 17:00:51 | Patlabor221 | and sometimes the blow stuff up |
| 17:00:58 | sussudio | yes. i was being sarcastic. |
| 17:01:44 | Patlabor221 | reallly? coun't tell. |
| 17:01:48 | sussudio | they blew up daniel jackson's main squeeze |
| 17:01:52 | SuperSajaginCell | im sitting here now and drinking a lot, and im feeling how im getting stronger, the power grows in my soul |
| 17:02:15 | Patlabor221 | and people say I'm wierd? |
| 17:02:19 | sussudio | that's it. no more dragonbarf z for you |
| 17:02:34 | Patlabor221 | the man thinks he's a badly drawn toon character. |
| 17:02:46 | SuperSajaginCell | haha |
| 17:03:11 | Patlabor221 | from the 80's as well |
| 17:03:41 | SuperSajaginCell | fom the future |
| 17:06:01 | SuperSajaginCell | hey someone wants to help me making quake mod file importer |
| 17:06:44 | SuperSajaginCell | k then i dont do it |
| 17:07:16 | Patlabor221 | mod file? |
| 17:07:29 | Patlabor221 | an the toon was made in the 80's |
| 17:07:35 | SuperSajaginCell | i dont know mod2 |
| 17:07:36 | Patlabor221 | maybe early 90's |
| 17:07:43 | Patlabor221 | and it's crap |
| 17:07:44 | SuperSajaginCell | true |
| 17:07:56 | Terminator-dinne | damn |
| 17:07:59 | Patlabor221 | you mean MD2? |
| 17:08:03 | Terminator-dinne | missed of the r |
| 17:08:05 | SuperSajaginCell | yep |
| 17:08:05 | Patlabor221 | the models? |
| 17:08:09 | Terminator-dinne | ah who cares |
| 17:08:09 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 17:08:19 | Patlabor221 | MD2s are very in acurate |
| 17:08:31 | Patlabor221 | but I have a class that reads them |
| 17:08:33 | SuperSajaginCell | just want to support almost all files that milkshape does |
| 17:08:53 | SuperSajaginCell | yes md2 rocks now |
| 17:09:04 | Patlabor221 | md2 sucks |
| 17:09:10 | Patlabor221 | no tags |
| 17:09:21 | Patlabor221 | very very low res anims |
| 17:09:38 | SuperSajaginCell | but what about popularity? |
| 17:09:38 | Patlabor221 | each vert is 3 chars |
| 17:09:58 | Patlabor221 | it's just that quake2 was popular 3 years ago |
| 17:10:04 | Terminator-dinne | back |
| 17:10:08 | Terminator-dinne | oops |
| 17:10:08 | Patlabor221 | and it's a butt simple format |
| 17:10:31 | SuperSajaginCell | so what importers would u consider to be in 3d app? |
| 17:10:32 | Patlabor221 | currently all new models are made in MD3 or skelital U3d |
| 17:10:39 | SuperSajaginCell | ah |
| 17:10:41 | Patlabor221 | becasue it's simple |
| 17:10:54 | SuperSajaginCell | thats good |
| 17:10:57 | Patlabor221 | and quake 2 is sill played |
| 17:11:18 | Patlabor221 | let me find the lighting test project |
| 17:11:23 | Patlabor221 | it used MD2 |
| 17:11:47 | SuperSajaginCell | i look at milshape |
| 17:12:12 | Patlabor221 | are you going to keep the anims or just pull one frame like Milkshape does? |
| 17:13:05 | SuperSajaginCell | pull one frame, what does that mean? |
| 17:13:19 | Patlabor221 | the MD2 format has multiple frames |
| 17:13:33 | Patlabor221 | and a set of verts for each frame |
| 17:14:01 | SuperSajaginCell | i keep the anims |
| 17:14:15 | Patlabor221 | so you will keep the vert set |
| 17:14:21 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 17:14:26 | SuperSajaginCell | as i sayed it has to be done with controllers |
| 17:14:53 | Patlabor221 | you are going to have a controler for each vert for each fame? |
| 17:15:01 | SuperSajaginCell | for each animatable data type there is a basic controller class |
| 17:15:07 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 17:15:30 | Patlabor221 | how large is a controller in mem? |
| 17:15:42 | SuperSajaginCell | since a vertex is a vector type(floatxfloatxfloat) it has a vectorcontroller |
| 17:15:54 | Patlabor221 | how large is that? |
| 17:16:01 | Terminator | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:16:01 | | Terminator: G:0(0-0) G-Spot(G)0(0-0) Cheech(G)0(0-0) |
| 17:16:04 | SuperSajaginCell | the controller is small |
| 17:16:05 | Terminator | hmm |
| 17:16:12 | | Terminator: sorry... |
| 17:16:12 | Terminator | ibot tells lies |
| 17:16:15 | SuperSajaginCell | but depens on the keys, how many |
| 17:16:16 | Patlabor221 | how small? |
| 17:16:28 | Patlabor221 | you are going to have a lot of them |
| 17:16:35 | Patlabor221 | verts*frames many |
| 17:16:45 | SuperSajaginCell | the controller just holda a list of keys |
| 17:17:00 | SuperSajaginCell | and interpolates between them, bezier |
| 17:17:04 | SuperSajaginCell | interpolation |
| 17:17:13 | Patlabor221 | so it will hold a vert |
| 17:17:22 | SuperSajaginCell | yes the offset |
| 17:17:45 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 17:17:50 | Patlabor221 | you don't need to do the curve interp |
| 17:18:04 | Patlabor221 | since all the anims are allways sequental |
| 17:18:11 | Patlabor221 | liniar is fine |
| 17:18:14 | SuperSajaginCell | u mean i should do linear interpolation |
| 17:18:35 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:18:35 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 17:18:57 | SuperSajaginCell | its supported, as u can define the tangents, slope at each curve end and begin |
| 17:19:26 | SuperSajaginCell | it recognizes linear interpolation |
| 17:19:35 | SuperSajaginCell | since its a subset of bezier interpolation |
| 17:19:49 | SuperSajaginCell | depens on the tangent values(i.e. controll points) |
| 17:21:55 | SuperSajaginCell | there is also a subcalss of the TransformController(animates Transfom Matrices) that is a look at target controller, good for cameras walking along apath but always looking at target |
| 17:24:48 | SuperSajaginCell | by the way u can make arbitray controllers just by subclassing the basic data type controllers, i.e. u could make a scale vector control whos data is provided by a wave file, so the object u apply the controller vibrates with the sound |
| 17:26:04 | patlabor221_ | http://www.artemisgames.com/MD2toModel.zip |
| 17:26:09 | SuperSajaginCell | and if u write a plugin(3d object, i.e a procedural sphere) for my app u just put an c# attribute called [Animatable] over a property and its assigned a controller automatically, how cool am i |
| 17:26:20 | patlabor221_ | that is a little app I made at one point that read in MD2 |
| 17:26:32 | patlabor221_ | wellI would never make something in c# so :) |
| 17:26:36 | doughecka | 6 hours left on that download patlabor221_ |
| 17:26:37 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:26:42 | SuperSajaginCell | lets llok :) |
| 17:27:01 | doughecka | is away |
| 17:28:33 | Patlabor221 | cell are you going to handle sequences and events? |
| 17:28:58 | SuperSajaginCell | its console |
| 17:29:01 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 17:29:15 | Patlabor221 | all you realy need is the md2 model class |
| 17:29:30 | SuperSajaginCell | sequences and events? what u mean |
| 17:29:45 | Patlabor221 | animated models have higer level "seqences" |
| 17:29:49 | Patlabor221 | like "run" |
| 17:29:58 | Patlabor221 | walk, turn left. ectt. |
| 17:30:01 | SuperSajaginCell | oh no |
| 17:30:05 | SuperSajaginCell | not yet |
| 17:30:08 | Patlabor221 | and in those sequences there are events |
| 17:30:13 | Patlabor221 | like "foot hit ground" |
| 17:30:23 | Patlabor221 | so you can know when to play a sound. |
| 17:30:25 | SuperSajaginCell | thats too complicated |
| 17:30:29 | Patlabor221 | not relay |
| 17:30:58 | SuperSajaginCell | yes but u need a cool subsystem to support such high level things |
| 17:31:14 | Patlabor221 | for my class I just set the current sequence, and the class knows how to draw and animate itslef |
| 17:31:39 | SuperSajaginCell | so that are triggers |
| 17:31:48 | Patlabor221 | there can be |
| 17:32:03 | Patlabor221 | the class can do what ever it wants on the events |
| 17:32:19 | SuperSajaginCell | thats cool |
| 17:32:31 | Patlabor221 | I need to add something that lets the app register event handalers for named events |
| 17:32:41 | Patlabor221 | so it can be externalised. |
| 17:33:27 | SuperSajaginCell | it could be done easy with c#; since the event keyword is especielly done to expose event backs |
| 17:33:42 | Patlabor221 | events are simple |
| 17:33:50 | SuperSajaginCell | of couse |
| 17:34:01 | Patlabor221 | does the C# method send them through the OS event que? |
| 17:34:16 | SuperSajaginCell | u need a list or queue of function pointers |
| 17:34:27 | SuperSajaginCell | to avoid endless switch |
| 17:34:30 | Patlabor221 | or handlaer classes |
| 17:34:31 | SuperSajaginCell | case |
| 17:34:36 | SuperSajaginCell | yep |
| 17:34:44 | Patlabor221 | I register classes never pointers |
| 17:35:00 | Patlabor221 | how does the C# method distribute the messages? |
| 17:35:35 | SuperSajaginCell | no they call directly, but and lets see how coll c# is, if the object that registered for a event is a remote one it handels the call for u |
| 17:36:15 | SuperSajaginCell | it does not use the system queue |
| 17:36:33 | Patlabor221 | so you just register an event handaler with some globalb language event handaler class? |
| 17:37:20 | SuperSajaginCell | u can register a private method of ur class to be called by the event provider class |
| 17:37:43 | Patlabor221 | do you have to create an instance of the event provider? |
| 17:37:52 | SuperSajaginCell | sure |
| 17:37:55 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:38:08 | Patlabor221 | then it's simiar to event templates |
| 17:38:24 | SuperSajaginCell | maybe, dont know about them |
| 17:38:39 | Patlabor221 | nice that you can regiser a method tho |
| 17:38:50 | Patlabor221 | there are STL like templates that can do similar things |
| 17:39:29 | SuperSajaginCell | Button.MouseDownEvent += new delgate(Myclass.OnMouseDown()); |
| 17:39:52 | SuperSajaginCell | its cool |
| 17:39:56 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the part we can't do |
| 17:40:03 | Patlabor221 | the registering of the function |
| 17:40:10 | Patlabor221 | since we have name mangaling. |
| 17:40:15 | SuperSajaginCell | yes its build into the language |
| 17:40:37 | Patlabor221 | yes you don't have name mangaling |
| 17:40:50 | Patlabor221 | since you are sorta psudo compiled |
| 17:40:59 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 17:41:19 | Patlabor221 | it's a trade off |
| 17:41:25 | SuperSajaginCell | but if after we are JIT compiled we run light fast |
| 17:41:46 | Patlabor221 | still not faster then optimised C |
| 17:41:53 | SuperSajaginCell | oh we will |
| 17:42:05 | SuperSajaginCell | cause we get runtime optimization |
| 17:42:20 | Patlabor221 | well considering that that's imposible, since the runtime optimisation takes TIME> |
| 17:42:25 | SuperSajaginCell | so later on faster system it will killc |
| 17:42:28 | SuperSajaginCell | kill c |
| 17:42:38 | SuperSajaginCell | in avarage performance |
| 17:42:41 | Patlabor221 | and you will allways have to thu your .net interface layer |
| 17:42:51 | Patlabor221 | you will allways have at least 1 more function call then we will |
| 17:43:29 | Patlabor221 | everything you do has to go thru a layer, you never hit CPU instructions directly |
| 17:43:36 | SuperSajaginCell | yes if u mean opengl u are right, but .net does not use win32 |
| 17:43:59 | Patlabor221 | no I mean CPU inctructions |
| 17:44:13 | Patlabor221 | and .net does use win32, it just wraps it up |
| 17:44:30 | Patlabor221 | how do you think it's making all those windows? |
| 17:44:45 | SuperSajaginCell | its build in winXP |
| 17:44:59 | Patlabor221 | XP uses the Win32 API |
| 17:45:04 | SuperSajaginCell | win32 is just the system using native win functions |
| 17:45:16 | SuperSajaginCell | so win32 is a wrapper |
| 17:45:20 | SuperSajaginCell | now |
| 17:45:23 | Patlabor221 | ummmm no. |
| 17:45:27 | SuperSajaginCell | surew |
| 17:45:50 | Patlabor221 | the win32 APIS are a set of APIs |
| 17:45:58 | Patlabor221 | .net uses GDI+ |
| 17:46:14 | Patlabor221 | and it still everntualy calles CreateWindow |
| 17:46:27 | Patlabor221 | since that's the only thing that the driver implements |
| 17:46:35 | Patlabor221 | they've just wraperd it up for you |
| 17:46:47 | SuperSajaginCell | no, it calls winxp system functions |
| 17:46:56 | Patlabor221 | XP did change the driver backend |
| 17:47:18 | SuperSajaginCell | yes it uses directX |
| 17:47:28 | Patlabor221 | I don't just mean video |
| 17:47:48 | Patlabor221 | where did you see all this? |
| 17:48:02 | SuperSajaginCell | i debug |
| 17:48:13 | SuperSajaginCell | see what dll calls what |
| 17:48:19 | SuperSajaginCell | dll |
| 17:48:28 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 17:48:36 | Patlabor221 | and do you do this while drinking? |
| 17:48:44 | SuperSajaginCell | of coz |
| 17:48:54 | Patlabor221 | right then |
| 17:49:06 | doughecka | sslllllers hiiissss wooorrrddss |
| 17:49:09 | SuperSajaginCell | id rink only fresh fruits |
| 17:49:15 | SuperSajaginCell | dring |
| 17:49:19 | SuperSajaginCell | drink |
| 17:49:20 | Patlabor221 | if that's what you call them, ok |
| 17:49:41 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:49:58 | doughecka | fresh.... sure, I bet its some rotted drink |
| 17:50:14 | Patlabor221 | the term is "fremented" |
| 17:50:19 | SuperSajaginCell | im eating a avocado now |
| 17:50:56 | sussudio | doug, you managed to make a map that sucks more than spirals....... |
| 17:51:08 | sussudio | applauds |
| 17:51:17 | doughecka | thank you |
| 17:51:19 | doughecka | your too kind |
| 17:51:23 | SuperSajaginCell | if u dont believe that win32 is build far on top of the winXP layer then byu a book |
| 17:51:26 | sussudio | alphabet sux0rs supreme |
| 17:51:41 | doughecka | on your sux0rs pc it does |
| 17:51:52 | Patlabor221 | whoa, looks like MS wants to make VC++ a cross compiler. |
| 17:51:54 | Patlabor221 | how odd |
| 17:51:54 | sussudio | no, it sux0rs cause it has no fucking purpose..... |
| 17:52:06 | doughecka | Patlabor221: ? |
| 17:52:10 | doughecka | whats that mean? |
| 17:52:19 | sussudio | its just some goddamn letters |
| 17:52:40 | doughecka | sussudio: I will make a 1.1 soon |
| 17:52:40 | Patlabor221 | doughecka: making linux apps on windows |
| 17:52:44 | doughecka | with teleports |
| 17:52:48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: ooooh, sweet! |
| 17:52:49 | sussudio | gah. |
| 17:53:02 | doughecka | and walkways |
| 17:53:03 | Patlabor221 | no I son't think that's "Sweet" it's odd |
| 17:53:10 | doughecka | oh? |
| 17:53:17 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:53:25 | doughecka | linux proggys with microsoft EULAs |
| 17:53:34 | SuperSajaginCell | i would propose that the next windows is 3d and uses opengl instead of gdi |
| 17:53:55 | doughecka | 3d? |
| 17:53:57 | Patlabor221 | what would that buy you? |
| 17:54:09 | SuperSajaginCell | no, but |
| 17:54:18 | Patlabor221 | the GDI and GDI+ calls are allready using hardware on the card right now |
| 17:54:24 | SuperSajaginCell | u could ratate a window |
| 17:54:33 | Patlabor221 | and that would be usefull how? |
| 17:54:40 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:54:58 | SuperSajaginCell | i could kick it if i dont like it or let it explode |
| 17:55:00 | doughecka | yo Patlabor221: do you have VPN out of your network? |
| 17:55:07 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:55:10 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:55:10 | doughecka | k |
| 17:55:23 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: do you have VPN out of your network? |
| 17:55:24 | SuperSajaginCell | or shoot it with a bzflag tank |
| 17:55:26 | Patlabor221 | hmm looks like MS is comiting it's self to supporting 4 major lanugates. |
| 17:55:31 | Patlabor221 | languages. |
| 17:55:36 | sussudio | so that would mean i'd have to disable even more stupid eyecandy on windows.... weeeee.... |
| 17:55:42 | doughecka | sussudio: yup |
| 17:55:43 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 17:55:45 | SuperSajaginCell | doughecka: i dont use VPN currently |
| 17:55:53 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: do you have it installed? |
| 17:55:57 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 17:55:59 | Patlabor221 | "cool" things are not allways usefull |
| 17:56:01 | doughecka | k |
| 17:56:13 | sussudio | when i "fix" people's windows install they say things like "So i DONT have to wait 5 seconds for the goddamn menu's to pop up?!?!?!" |
| 17:56:23 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:56:27 | Patlabor221 | apple just did it becasue they are too lazzy to make decent drivers and shoehorned it into an existing API |
| 17:56:39 | doughecka | http://heckaman.bzflag.com |
| 17:56:46 | doughecka | try to connect to it |
| 17:56:59 | SuperSajaginCell | over VPN |
| 17:57:05 | doughecka | no |
| 17:57:12 | doughecka | http |
| 17:57:13 | doughecka | browser |
| 17:57:19 | doughecka | windows people only please! |
| 17:57:20 | doughecka | :P |
| 17:57:34 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: if you would like to try VPN, its running too |
| 17:57:45 | scanline | Patlabor221: OpenGL is generally a lot faster at compositing, stretching, and rotating than normal 2D drivers |
| 17:58:15 | Patlabor221 | generalry yes |
| 17:58:23 | SuperSajaginCell | and where should i connect? |
| 17:58:37 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: the VPN or the terminal services? |
| 17:58:38 | scanline | It's true that the 2D drivers could be written with the same acceleration as the OpenGL driver, but most manufacturers aren't going to bother doing that |
| 17:59:01 | SuperSajaginCell | terminal |
| 17:59:10 | doughecka | oh |
| 17:59:10 | doughecka | keep it empty |
| 17:59:10 | doughecka | and click connect |
| 17:59:10 | SuperSajaginCell | k |
| 17:59:12 | Patlabor221 | but as nvidia explained it to me they get to implement an number of windows GDI calls in the driver so they can do the same thing they have GL do just with GDI |
| 17:59:15 | scanline | games are always going to be pushing the cutting edge of graphics performance, so if GUIs use the same API as games I don't see how you can go wrong :) |
| 17:59:29 | doughecka | scanline: exacly |
| 17:59:34 | Patlabor221 | I didn't say anything was wring with using GL |
| 17:59:44 | scanline | Patlabor221: I know it's possible, and maybe nVidia does it, but OpenGL is more portable |
| 17:59:50 | SuperSajaginCell | and then? i have no account |
| 17:59:51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:00:00 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: it works!!! |
| 18:00:01 | doughecka | yay |
| 18:00:04 | doughecka | you get a window? |
| 18:00:11 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 18:00:12 | Patlabor221 | but I think that a "3d" ui would have to be more then just "cool" things |
| 18:00:17 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:00:19 | scanline | of course |
| 18:00:20 | doughecka | um |
| 18:00:21 | SuperSajaginCell | a logon win2k window |
| 18:00:45 | Patlabor221 | realy apple's just using it as a layerd raster and composting engine. |
| 18:01:05 | Patlabor221 | doubt they are applying any "3d" transforms to it |
| 18:01:07 | scanline | I'm looking forward to OpenGL 2.0, which supposedly will be better at texture management and offscreen rendering |
| 18:01:14 | scanline | Patlabor221: right |
| 18:01:33 | Patlabor221 | ick C# seems to have a hell of a heaping of security issues |
| 18:01:45 | scanline | Patlabor221: I was hoping apple would use OpenGL to accelerate _all_ the rendering, but they're just doing everything else in software and OpenGL for compositing |
| 18:01:51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:02:05 | scanline | so bleh.. there's a reason I don't use OS X |
| 18:02:07 | Patlabor221 | and X could use some accelerating |
| 18:02:20 | scanline | but I've played around with an OpenGL driver for picogui, and the results were really interesting to say the least |
| 18:04:54 | Patlabor221 | hmm the way MS describes it C# just calls back to C++ code that's wraped up in C++ mananged extensions. |
| 18:06:05 | SuperSajaginCell | of coz, the . net runtime is c++ |
| 18:06:22 | Patlabor221 | and that all calls win32 calls it says |
| 18:07:12 | Patlabor221 | I think that perhaps what you think as win32 is not what I think is win32 |
| 18:07:21 | SuperSajaginCell | could be |
| 18:07:29 | Patlabor221 | c# seems interesting |
| 18:08:00 | SuperSajaginCell | win 32 is:gdi.dll, user.dll, shel.dll or something like that |
| 18:08:00 | Patlabor221 | but even on MS"s dev roadmap they state that C++ the the language for performance and maximum controll |
| 18:08:13 | Patlabor221 | those are part of them |
| 18:08:27 | Patlabor221 | realy thoise are just the link libs. |
| 18:08:39 | Patlabor221 | the real code can be moved to difrent places |
| 18:08:49 | Patlabor221 | difrent OS's implement it in difrent ways |
| 18:08:59 | Patlabor221 | in the 9x line most of the code was in there |
| 18:09:05 | SuperSajaginCell | k |
| 18:09:06 | Patlabor221 | now it's been moved to difrent places. |
| 18:09:14 | Patlabor221 | that's proalby what you are seeing |
| 18:09:52 | SuperSajaginCell | possible |
| 18:10:13 | Patlabor221 | now if they did a difnre C# runtime lib for each OS they could go lower. |
| 18:10:39 | Patlabor221 | but still the C# code has to hit the RT lib for everything since it's machine indpenednt. |
| 18:10:57 | Patlabor221 | I want to start looking at Objective C |
| 18:11:03 | Patlabor221 | that realy looks intersting. |
| 18:13:37 | SuperSajaginCell | im quite satisfied with c# now, of coz i have to work around missing const keyword, and the buggy vc7 slows me down too |
| 18:14:08 | dinah | just played tank pilot for palm |
| 18:14:08 | SuperSajaginCell | especially on GUI editing |
| 18:14:16 | dinah | how hard would it be to get bzflag on a palm? |
| 18:14:32 | Patlabor221 | is there a 3d api on the palm? |
| 18:14:40 | SuperSajaginCell | opnegl? |
| 18:14:50 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 18:14:59 | SuperSajaginCell | software version |
| 18:15:03 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 18:15:21 | Patlabor221 | and a sockets implemenation |
| 18:15:26 | SuperSajaginCell | since its called the fastest software rasterizer |
| 18:15:29 | dinah | i dont care, graphics can be wireframe |
| 18:15:42 | Patlabor221 | cell: it's not |
| 18:15:52 | Patlabor221 | it's not speed |
| 18:16:01 | SuperSajaginCell | then i misunderstood sgi |
| 18:16:01 | Patlabor221 | it's the API |
| 18:16:15 | doughecka | braps |
| 18:16:19 | Patlabor221 | SGI did make a fast GL SW renderer for windows |
| 18:16:29 | Patlabor221 | it was the fasted SW GL implemenation on windows |
| 18:16:36 | SuperSajaginCell | ah, |
| 18:16:59 | Patlabor221 | it would be harder to port BZ to a platfrom that Didn't have GL just beasue then you would have to redoo the renderer |
| 18:17:14 | SuperSajaginCell | yes |
| 18:17:23 | Patlabor221 | well I'll be tupped |
| 18:17:23 | Patlabor221 | http://www.dsbox.com/minigl.html |
| 18:17:38 | dinah | cant you just take the graphics from tank pilot, and add network stuff from bzflag? |
| 18:17:48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hoho |
| 18:18:01 | Patlabor221 | dinah: dpends on how it all works |
| 18:18:02 | SuperSajaginCell | looks cool |
| 18:18:07 | doughecka | indeed |
| 18:18:13 | Patlabor221 | and BZ isn't realy seperated like that |
| 18:18:19 | SuperSajaginCell | a game boy with opengl functionallity |
| 18:19:00 | doughecka | is tank pilot opemsource? |
| 18:20:10 | Patlabor221 | if it is then at last the input and sound stuff could be pulled from it |
| 18:20:51 | Patlabor221 | wonders if he could make a paml version of LGE. |
| 18:21:16 | dinah | wonders what LGE is |
| 18:21:16 | doughecka | hmm, can you develope on the palm for free? |
| 18:23:54 | sussudio | dinah: does your bzflag client work now |
| 18:24:05 | dinah | nope |
| 18:24:19 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 18:24:46 | dinah | i asked percy, he said it could be because of the new protocal our LAN is using |
| 18:24:55 | doughecka | too bad, you could see the insanity of my new map! |
| 18:24:58 | sussudio | netbui? |
| 18:25:20 | SuperSajaginCell | my father gave me just the at&t text to speech sdk, with natural voices, sounds pretty good |
| 18:26:52 | sussudio | anyway, http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/ss.gif |
| 18:26:55 | sussudio | it's a screenshot |
| 18:27:30 | SuperSajaginCell | shit my monitor is imploding |
| 18:27:37 | doughecka | oh? |
| 18:27:50 | sussudio | yes, it's a VACUUM TUBE |
| 18:27:55 | SuperSajaginCell | i am getting really worried |
| 18:28:00 | doughecka | please supply a screen shot of your monitor imploding |
| 18:28:04 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:28:06 | doughecka | how so? |
| 18:28:10 | doughecka | whats it doing? |
| 18:28:28 | sussudio | it just look that way..... |
| 18:28:29 | SuperSajaginCell | it behaves terrible for 10 sec then it continues going on normal |
| 18:28:35 | doughecka | odd |
| 18:28:38 | sussudio | people start hallucinating when they don't eat meat |
| 18:28:46 | SuperSajaginCell | its true |
| 18:28:47 | SuperSajaginCell | shit |
| 18:28:50 | dinah | sussudio: i wish i could play, looks good, very scary :-) |
| 18:29:03 | sussudio | dinah: did you mean anything like this? it goes on for about 5 levels |
| 18:29:10 | sussudio | it's enclosed on the outer walls too |
| 18:29:13 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:29:13 | SuperSajaginCell | its an EIZO 21'' |
| 18:29:23 | doughecka | SuperSajaginCell: nice screensize... |
| 18:29:25 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:29:30 | dinah | sussudio: precisely what i wished for |
| 18:29:32 | sussudio | hmm you said it's imploding..... would that make it an EIZO 17" now then? |
| 18:29:45 | doughecka | guffaws |
| 18:29:47 | sussudio | dinah: k |
| 18:30:06 | SuperSajaginCell | no it would make me a scary looking person forever |
| 18:30:14 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:30:31 | dinah | sussudio: just tell me its not with rico, that would be evil, |
| 18:30:43 | sussudio | it is.... and laser |
| 18:30:47 | doughecka | dinah, it is with rico |
| 18:30:50 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:30:51 | SuperSajaginCell | dbz time |
| 18:30:55 | doughecka | k |
| 18:31:27 | dinah | sussudio: maybe turn off the laser flags then, id be too scared to play |
| 18:31:54 | sussudio | dinah: how about laser and sw only :-P |
| 18:32:05 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:32:05 | sussudio | it's difficult to see where you can go up |
| 18:32:20 | sussudio | level 4 has like 32 boxes |
| 18:35:22 | dinah | sussudio: does it use teleports, jumping or ramps to change levels? |
| 18:35:36 | sussudio | ramps? |
| 18:36:07 | sussudio | there's a few teleports, it's mostly jumping, except for going from the 5th to 6th i think, teleport only |
| 18:36:28 | dinah | what i think ramps would be fun |
| 18:37:20 | sussudio | it's disorientating enough i think |
| 18:37:23 | sussudio | would probably help if you could give boxes different colors |
| 18:37:49 | Patlabor221 | LGE is the Little Game Engine. |
| 18:37:49 | sussudio | you dont see the sky until you're all the way up |
| 18:38:03 | Patlabor221 | or as I like to call it, that what makes my life easer. |
| 18:39:05 | Patlabor221 | dosn't have a palmOS device do he can not try the Palm MiniGL |
| 18:40:30 | doughecka | get a emulator and ask dinah for a palm ROM |
| 18:40:48 | Patlabor221 | that would not be a good way to test performance |
| 18:40:56 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:41:02 | doughecka | but it would get it working |
| 18:41:25 | Patlabor221 | and I am thinking performance would be a critical thing on porta devices. |
| 18:41:29 | Patlabor221 | that and mem |
| 18:41:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:41:48 | doughecka | but maybe the emulator emulates speed? |
| 18:42:05 | Patlabor221 | it can't |
| 18:42:07 | dinah | Patlabor221: ill give you any roms you need for palm |
| 18:42:16 | Patlabor221 | I need a palm |
| 18:42:29 | Patlabor221 | I have a CE device |
| 18:42:29 | dinah | and tell doug thats the nautre of an emulator, you can set it to pretend to be different processors |
| 18:42:38 | doughecka | if you do get a rom, send one to me |
| 18:42:52 | Patlabor221 | it's not processors I am worieds about it's video display speed |
| 18:43:02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:43:17 | dinah | emulators for the desktop do all of that |
| 18:43:52 | doughecka | thought so |
| 18:45:23 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen an emu that showed proper speed, but hey maybe |
| 18:45:38 | doughecka | wonders if anyone knows how to configure a Cisco 1601 router |
| 18:45:54 | Patlabor221 | lick it |
| 18:46:04 | doughecka | its dusty |
| 18:46:47 | Patlabor221 | did I say that I cared about that? |
| 18:47:04 | doughecka | no |
| 18:49:25 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 18:49:39 | Patlabor221 | looks like it's ether GCC or codewarrior for palm dev |
| 18:52:05 | sussudio | ~sing |
| 18:52:06 | bbot | Mr Haankey the christmas poo!!! |
| 18:55:16 | doughecka | gcc on palm? |
| 18:55:22 | doughecka | hows that work? |
| 18:55:59 | doughecka | like cross compling it, or what? |
| 18:56:20 | sussudio | doug, if you want to get an actual working xfree86 configuration with debian, you might want to have a look at dri.sourceforge.net |
| 18:56:21 | Patlabor221 | gcc is not On the palm device |
| 18:56:51 | Patlabor221 | gcc makes the code for the mh6 or what ever the thing uses |
| 18:56:59 | doughecka | sussudio: yea, but the reason I dint go with that is because it conflicts with my Gatos drivers |
| 18:56:59 | sussudio | 3d sux with the default xserver |
| 18:57:08 | doughecka | Patlabor221: ah |
| 18:57:28 | sussudio | doug, you didnt actually read what it said there, right? the dri drivers are better for ati than the gatos ones........ |
| 18:57:40 | sussudio | you have to download the drivers there and compile them |
| 18:57:50 | doughecka | but dri dont have video capture support |
| 18:57:54 | sussudio | i get 30fps with gatos and more than 130 with dri :-P |
| 18:59:20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:59:21 | doughecka | yea, but I dont need 3d |
| 19:07:44 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:07:44 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 19:14:28 | sussudio | it's all your fault, doug |
| 19:15:20 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 19:20:51 | doughecka | freaking servers |
| 19:20:51 | Terminator | hi all |
| 19:22:16 | doughecka | aww? |
| 19:22:23 | doughecka | aww |
| 19:22:23 | doughecka | !?!?!? |
| 19:25:03 | Terminator | The Elite is no more |
| 19:25:10 | Terminator | as of today they have been dismissed |
| 19:25:28 | sussudio | it's called disbanded |
| 19:25:58 | sussudio | bad doug |
| 19:26:03 | Terminator | hi Wilinckx |
| 19:26:03 | bzdouggg | :( |
| 19:26:11 | Wilinckx | hi Terminator |
| 19:26:45 | Terminator | bzdouggg: whats the matter |
| 19:26:45 | Terminator | well |
| 19:27:10 | Terminator | whats that? |
| 19:27:31 | Terminator | hi Cell |
| 19:27:40 | Terminator | hrm |
| 19:29:10 | Terminator | sussudio nothin' u say bout doug will be true since u always arguing with him |
| 19:29:11 | Terminator | i think neway |
| 19:29:11 | Terminator | oh yeah doug u never said y u were :-( |
| 19:29:50 | Terminator | hrm? |
| 19:29:57 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 19:30:06 | Terminator | ? |
| 19:30:14 | Terminator | doug have ur 3d glasses arrived |
| 19:30:14 | Terminator | r they any good? |
| 19:30:27 | bzdouggg | yes to both |
| 19:30:40 | bzdouggg | but XP sucks at it |
| 19:30:52 | bzdouggg | 98 works fine though |
| 19:31:20 | Terminator | k |
| 19:31:31 | Terminator | what games u used them for? |
| 19:31:50 | bzdouggg | UT2k3 |
| 19:31:55 | Terminator | k |
| 19:32:22 | Terminator | i was gonna get a pair but i don't think my graphics card has a z-buffer |
| 19:32:42 | sussudio | mine does |
| 19:32:43 | sussudio | haha |
| 19:32:55 | sussudio | or something |
| 19:33:21 | Terminator | sussudio: ur like a stupid little 6 year old boy, a very dumb 6 year old boy that is |
| 19:33:28 | Terminator | hehe |
| 19:33:36 | sussudio | Terminator: yo momma runs win95 |
| 19:33:39 | Terminator | :-P :-D |
| 19:34:03 | Terminator | sussudio: i gonna make u into swiss chesse |
| 19:34:42 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 19:34:49 | sussudio | well that's better than english cheese |
| 19:34:58 | Terminator | doug how many comps do u have? |
| 19:35:04 | bzdouggg | 15 now |
| 19:35:08 | sussudio | HAH |
| 19:35:16 | Terminator | oooook how many u actually use |
| 19:35:35 | bzdouggg | 4 + the macs that my mom and dad use |
| 19:35:42 | Terminator | k |
| 19:36:00 | bzdouggg | and laptops and things |
| 19:36:00 | Terminator | does that include laptops |
| 19:36:02 | sussudio | dumps Terminator into a vat of stilton |
| 19:36:05 | bzdouggg | yea |
| 19:36:33 | Terminator | sussudio: what the hell is a vat of stilton |
| 19:36:44 | sussudio | unpasteurized smelly english cheese |
| 19:36:55 | Terminator | ah |
| 19:37:11 | Terminator | oh yeah thats ur fav. food |
| 19:37:25 | sussudio | it's your only food |
| 19:37:34 | sussudio | cause your mom hates you and only gives you stinky cheese |
| 19:37:40 | sussudio | and then locks all 3 toilets |
| 19:37:42 | Terminator | the clocks in england went back at the weekend |
| 19:38:01 | Terminator | sussudio: u r an idiot |
| 19:38:03 | sussudio | you dont even get crackers with the cheese |
| 19:38:04 | sussudio | haha |
| 19:38:20 | sussudio | now be quiet or i will taunt you a second time |
| 19:38:27 | Terminator | sussudio: toilts can normally only be locked from the inside |
| 19:38:34 | Terminator | idiot |
| 19:38:40 | sussudio | you're the idiot |
| 19:38:42 | Terminator | :-P |
| 19:39:05 | Terminator | no i'm not |
| 19:39:12 | sussudio | yes you are |
| 19:39:15 | sussudio | a double idiot |
| 19:39:21 | sussudio | made of cheese |
| 19:39:26 | [dmp] | hi terminator |
| 19:39:45 | Terminator | ohh isn't mr. sussudio feeling smart today |
| 19:39:48 | Terminator | hi [dmp] |
| 19:39:53 | sussudio | yes i am |
| 19:39:54 | sussudio | mr cheese |
| 19:40:21 | Terminator | sussudio: plenty of spaces left in mental asylums |
| 19:40:31 | Terminator | u can fill one of them |
| 19:40:36 | sussudio | yes, you would know, as you're living in one |
| 19:40:53 | [dmp] | Terminator: Are you team playing ? (Challenges?) |
| 19:40:56 | Terminator | they don't get use comps u idiot |
| 19:41:02 | sussudio | yes they do |
| 19:41:09 | Terminator | [dmp]: i just dissmissed my team |
| 19:41:09 | sussudio | otherwise you wouldnt be on here |
| 19:41:28 | Terminator | sussudio: u r very weird |
| 19:41:31 | [dmp] | oh |
| 19:41:55 | Terminator | [dmp]: i put an advert for myself in bzbuisness |
| 19:41:58 | sussudio | at least i dont smell of stale english cheeeese |
| 19:42:11 | Terminator | sussudio: i don't |
| 19:42:11 | sussudio | i smell of strawberry jello |
| 19:42:20 | Terminator | sussudio: i hate cheese |
| 19:42:24 | [dmp] | Terminator: storm already found a new4 team :-) |
| 19:42:40 | Terminator | huh |
| 19:43:23 | Terminator | oh |
| 19:43:28 | [dmp] | Terminator: Dancing Debian Daemons. |
| 19:44:09 | Terminator | ah i c |
| 19:44:09 | Terminator | dancing debian daemons |
| 19:44:38 | [dmp] | yeah .. kinda quick :) |
| 19:45:12 | Terminator | lol |
| 19:45:18 | Terminator | :-) |
| 19:45:20 | Terminator | [dmp]: what team did u join |
| 19:45:20 | Terminator | i forgot |
| 19:45:21 | Terminator | hehe |
| 19:45:22 | Terminator | i asked him |
| 19:45:24 | Terminator | he is in da same room as me |
| 19:45:42 | sussudio | so its a twin room in the nuthouse |
| 19:45:52 | [dmp] | Terminator: Procrastination Excess |
| 19:46:10 | Terminator | sussudio: go back to playing with ur little action man doll |
| 19:46:15 | Terminator | [dmp]: ok |
| 19:46:28 | dougschool | ? |
| 19:46:34 | Terminator | [dmp]: ah ur leader is duh |
| 19:46:36 | dougschool | whos in the same room? |
| 19:46:41 | Terminator | storm |
| 19:46:48 | dougschool | ... |
| 19:46:50 | dougschool | school? |
| 19:46:55 | Terminator | he is in the same room as me |
| 19:46:59 | [dmp] | Terminator: Yup. I think it duh and huh |
| 19:46:59 | Terminator | no at home |
| 19:47:02 | dougschool | ah |
| 19:47:12 | dougschool | friend? or brother? |
| 19:47:15 | Terminator | i am ahead of u doug |
| 19:47:22 | Terminator | brother |
| 19:47:35 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:47:41 | dougschool | I have 2 brothers |
| 19:47:49 | Terminator | i only have one |
| 19:47:52 | [dmp] | i have 4 :) |
| 19:47:59 | [dmp] | and 1 sister. |
| 19:48:06 | dougschool | I have 2 sisters |
| 19:48:10 | dougschool | :) |
| 19:48:14 | Terminator | i glad i don't have a sister |
| 19:48:15 | [dmp] | but i got out of that madhouse.. living on my own now :) |
| 19:48:48 | [dmp] | but they tend to bzflag whenever they visit me.. |
| 19:48:56 | Terminator | hehe |
| 19:49:00 | [dmp] | Having them over, is like having a computerfree day :) |
| 19:49:13 | dougschool | lol |
| 19:49:13 | Terminator | hehe |
| 19:49:54 | Terminator | does every one know bzflag's full name |
| 19:49:56 | Terminator | i do |
| 19:50:06 | Terminator | :-) |
| 19:50:35 | Terminator | battle zone capture the flag |
| 19:50:36 | [dmp] | full name? |
| 19:50:40 | [dmp] | oh |
| 19:50:48 | [dmp] | i didn't know that. |
| 19:50:59 | Terminator | k |
| 19:51:02 | Terminator | :-) |
| 19:51:55 | Lazarus | Hi all |
| 19:52:10 | | terminator: no idea |
| 19:52:10 | Terminator | ibot dosen't work when u request who is in a server |
| 19:52:13 | sussudio | hi Lazarus, meet Terminator, master of cheese and player of he-man action dolls |
| 19:52:20 | Lazarus | lol |
| 19:52:50 | Terminator | sussudio is a weird twisted midget the is gay |
| 19:52:51 | Lazarus | ya aint seen Noodleman here recently have ya |
| 19:52:59 | dougschool | yea |
| 19:53:09 | dougschool | talked to him about 1 hour ago |
| 19:53:13 | dougschool | but he had to leave |
| 19:53:14 | [dmp] | Terminator: that's unfair.. Gay people can be nice :) |
| 19:53:24 | sussudio | ahem, that coming from someone who smells of cheese and is having gay sex with his bud right now |
| 19:53:34 | Lazarus | i need to see about implimenting the server list in my PHP boad im making |
| 19:53:43 | sussudio | boad? |
| 19:53:47 | Lazarus | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/index.php?s= |
| 19:53:54 | Terminator | [dmp]: sorry i forgot u were gay |
| 19:53:56 | Terminator | jk |
| 19:54:00 | Lazarus | lol |
| 19:54:02 | Terminator | hehe |
| 19:54:11 | sussudio | jzaun has a server list |
| 19:54:16 | Terminator | and remember i was just kidding |
| 19:54:19 | Lazarus | i tried being gay once, but stopped when it got to be my turn |
| 19:54:27 | Lazarus | :) |
| 19:54:32 | Terminator | oh i forgot |
| 19:54:35 | [dmp] | so? Does that make you affraid when i shove my big gun with bullets up in your arse? |
| 19:55:04 | sussudio | what's the point of that, bullets go right through anyway |
| 19:55:05 | Terminator | sussudio: u r a freak that likes to have sex with ur sister |
| 19:55:16 | sussudio | Terminator: yes, and it's free too! |
| 19:55:19 | Terminator | [dmp]: who u talikin' to? |
| 19:55:30 | Terminator | sussudio: u make me sick |
| 19:55:33 | [dmp] | i like blood.. Women have PMS, you'll have my bullets :-) |
| 19:55:46 | Terminator | throws up |
| 19:55:49 | sussudio | yeah, Terminator, that's what your mom said after i told her about your cheese fetish |
| 19:56:08 | Terminator | sussudio u need to get a life |
| 19:56:11 | Lazarus | wonders where it ends |
| 19:56:20 | sussudio | i have one, it's sitting on a chair downstairs |
| 19:56:32 | [dmp] | it ends with "R.I.P" .. you know.. The team of undead people. |
| 19:56:51 | Terminator | sussudio: will u plz shut up |
| 19:57:04 | Terminator | [dmp]: i have no idea wut ur talkin' bout |
| 19:57:10 | Terminator | plz tell me |
| 19:57:20 | [dmp] | never mind |
| 19:57:29 | sussudio | Terminator: you started it |
| 19:57:44 | Terminator | sussudio: u r acting like like a small cild now |
| 19:57:53 | Terminator | [dmp]: ok |
| 19:57:58 | Lazarus | i see that alot on BZ lol |
| 19:58:10 | Terminator | see what? |
| 19:58:11 | sussudio | cild? is that something welsh? |
| 19:58:22 | Terminator | oops |
| 19:58:26 | Terminator | *child |
| 19:58:38 | captain_pistachi | heya laz |
| 19:58:42 | captain_pistachi | erk |
| 19:59:03 | Terminator | and neway anyone with a bit of common sense would have realised cild ment child |
| 19:59:16 | Lazarus | hi |
| 19:59:18 | sussudio | neway? |
| 19:59:26 | Lazarus | hey capi am making a real BZ board |
| 19:59:26 | Terminator | anyway |
| 19:59:40 | captain_proton | Lazarus: hum? |
| 19:59:49 | Lazarus | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/index.php?s= |
| 20:00:10 | Lazarus | still adding stuff, but will be a nice place |
| 20:00:25 | Lazarus | will go public with it tomorrow probably |
| 20:00:35 | [dmp] | why not use the old one? |
| 20:00:48 | [dmp] | i know it's very simple, but it works |
| 20:00:52 | Lazarus | i mentioned building one awhile back on EZ board, but they bulked |
| 20:01:05 | captain_proton | do we really need another forum? :P |
| 20:01:12 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 20:01:18 | captain_proton | Lazarus: get rid of those mixed caps immediately |
| 20:01:25 | Lazarus | cause when you have only 5 or 6 peiople posting in a month, its not a place people want to hang out |
| 20:01:40 | Lazarus | lol thats from my old warez days |
| 20:01:54 | Lazarus | make it the only forum |
| 20:02:18 | dougschool | timmymp3? |
| 20:02:28 | Lazarus | too many BZ site spread out, hell most players dont know about them |
| 20:02:31 | [dmp] | Lazarus: true. But then there will be leage-site, ezboard and your site. |
| 20:02:48 | Lazarus | why not combine them all DMP |
| 20:02:57 | Lazarus | it is possible |
| 20:02:57 | captain_proton | Lazarus: you mean you've graduated to the world of licensed software? :) |
| 20:03:15 | Lazarus | umm not quite yet Cap lol |
| 20:03:21 | captain_proton | [dmp]: plus the sourceforge forums, which are the only ones that really get the developers attention :P |
| 20:03:24 | [dmp] | Lazarus: if it can be done, yes. I know that your boardsoftware (and others) are much more powerfull that the simpel leage-board. |
| 20:03:51 | [dmp] | captain_proton: I've just signed on :) .. |
| 20:03:54 | Lazarus | players like flair, developers dont lol |
| 20:04:05 | [dmp] | remind me, i need to have a folder for bzflag. Too many sites :-\ |
| 20:04:28 | [dmp] | i'm just abit affraid that it will split people.. SOmebody uses ez, others leage, and some yours.. |
| 20:04:38 | Lazarus | thats why i want to get everything in a central location, i have unlimited webspace and access to every platform |
| 20:04:46 | [dmp] | and the amout of traffic isnt that great . |
| 20:05:24 | Lazarus | its just getting everyone together |
| 20:06:01 | Lazarus | hey noodle man |
| 20:06:08 | doughecka | is away: gone |
| 20:06:09 | Noodleman | hey d00d |
| 20:06:13 | Lazarus | did you get my message at the leagues site? |
| 20:06:23 | Noodleman | no, let me check |
| 20:06:26 | captain_proton | Lazarus: but there's still a split between community and developers - the sourceforge ones get our attention because its forwarded to our email |
| 20:06:58 | Lazarus | i understand that, but ya need the players to come together, why develope if no one plays |
| 20:07:03 | [dmp] | I hope so. Believe me, i would love to see more action in the bzflag community. :) |
| 20:07:11 | [dmp] | so the best of luck. |
| 20:07:28 | Lazarus | well im trying to do that, get everything in a central locale and go from there |
| 20:07:42 | Noodleman | you'll have to ask jzaun about that, laz |
| 20:07:48 | Lazarus | we would all have a say in how its developed |
| 20:07:57 | Noodleman | he wrote the code and knows how to use it :-) |
| 20:07:58 | Lazarus | ok Noodleman, thanks |
| 20:08:02 | Noodleman | np |
| 20:08:18 | | doughecka was last seen on #bzflag 2 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: is away: gone [Wed Oct 30 13:06:08 2002] |
| 20:08:18 | Noodleman | ibot seen doughecka |
| 20:08:34 | doughecka | yes? |
| 20:08:34 | Terminator | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:09:42 | captain_proton | Lazarus: just be sure not to really overlap things that need to be on sourceforge, like bug reports |
| 20:09:46 | Terminator | someone was just in ducati and called themselves Terminator(The Elite chesey poofs)) |
| 20:10:19 | [dmp] | heh |
| 20:11:02 | Lazarus | true Cap |
| 20:11:31 | Lazarus | scourceforge isnt for the players, so there should be a separation |
| 20:11:51 | captain_proton | well, we need player participation on sf |
| 20:12:10 | sussudio | you could fix the cursor controls :-P |
| 20:12:18 | dinah | wonders why they dont just dynamicaly link all the sites and forums |
| 20:12:21 | Lazarus | IMHO theres too much of a opinion in BZ community that "we can take the bare minimum" |
| 20:12:26 | doughecka | yay |
| 20:12:49 | Cell | tired, bye |
| 20:12:50 | Lazarus | Dinah, we are talking a BZ webring |
| 20:12:58 | Lazarus | or a portal Dinah |
| 20:13:01 | captain_proton | webrings are dead |
| 20:13:12 | captain_proton | people realized that having lots of sites with the exact same content is boring :) |
| 20:13:19 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:13:20 | dinah | icky webriing are, how you say awfull |
| 20:13:26 | doughecka | you get off my dsl Noodleman_! |
| 20:13:29 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:13:35 | doughecka | this is slick |
| 20:13:39 | Lazarus | my point Cap, lets get everything outside of development on one site |
| 20:13:50 | captain_proton | Lazarus: good luck :P |
| 20:13:56 | Lazarus | lol |
| 20:14:07 | sussudio | yeah, you could call it 'bzflag.org' or something |
| 20:14:13 | Lazarus | it can be done though Cap |
| 20:14:15 | captain_proton | sussudio: just what i was thinking |
| 20:14:33 | Lazarus | but he never wants to "improve" that site |
| 20:14:57 | Lazarus | you have to remember the majority of BZ players and suit their needs |
| 20:15:19 | doughecka | is away: gone |
| 20:15:37 | Terminator | any team leaders here looking for team members? |
| 20:16:08 | Terminator | wow i have just realised |
| 20:16:13 | Terminator | hrm |
| 20:16:19 | [dmp] | Hi Snipe :) |
| 20:16:21 | Terminator | typed that in wrong place |
| 20:16:25 | Sniper50 | Hola |
| 20:16:30 | Terminator | hi Sniper50 |
| 20:16:53 | [dmp] | Sniper50: you found my hideout.. dammit :) |
| 20:16:56 | Sniper50 | is happy because i dont lag anymore :) |
| 20:17:06 | [dmp] | i noticed :) |
| 20:17:20 | Terminator | wonders off to bzflag |
| 20:17:43 | Lazarus | talk about lag, on rat cage sever i get so low a lag its like im playing on own sever lol |
| 20:17:45 | Sniper50 | It feels good ive missed playing bz |
| 20:18:05 | Sniper50 | hey Laz,! |
| 20:18:15 | Lazarus | hi Sniper |
| 20:18:23 | Sniper50 | Im not used to see you around here! |
| 20:18:26 | sussudio | hmm that's an idea.... sewer map |
| 20:18:29 | Lazarus | hehe |
| 20:18:53 | Sniper50 | Played any 1 vs 1 matches yet? |
| 20:19:04 | Lazarus | what ya been up to Sniper |
| 20:19:08 | Lazarus | what ya been up to Sniper |
| 20:19:14 | Lazarus | no, been too busy |
| 20:19:18 | Lazarus | oops |
| 20:19:21 | Sniper50 | i lagged around for a while ;) |
| 20:19:40 | Lazarus | me too, went from my 1 meg line to dial up! |
| 20:19:46 | Lazarus | back on DSL now |
| 20:20:06 | Sniper50 | then you are a happy guy again! |
| 20:20:07 | Lazarus | still not 1 meg up/down, but alot better than dial up |
| 20:20:13 | Lazarus | lol yep |
| 20:20:17 | Sniper50 | dial up suc* |
| 20:20:46 | Sniper50 | I like your home site |
| 20:20:54 | Sniper50 | or at least the beginning |
| 20:21:06 | Sniper50 | http://www.lazarusenterprises.net/ |
| 20:21:11 | Lazarus | oh, lol i need to work on that one of these days |
| 20:21:16 | Sniper50 | done it your self |
| 20:21:16 | Lazarus | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/index.php?s= |
| 20:21:20 | Lazarus | check this out |
| 20:22:18 | Lazarus | im trying to get all the BZ website owners to get together and try to come up with ideas for centralizing |
| 20:22:39 | Sniper50 | Ouch didnt know that you had bzflag site :) but now i do :)) |
| 20:23:01 | Lazarus | still in the works, will go public tomorrow |
| 20:23:24 | Lazarus | i have access to unlimited webspace and everything one would need |
| 20:23:36 | Sniper50 | been busy i see ;) |
| 20:23:44 | Lazarus | i want to get everyone together and let them use it |
| 20:24:02 | Sniper50 | good idea |
| 20:24:07 | Lazarus | time to "liven" up the BZ community |
| 20:24:35 | dinah | how tanks in speedos? |
| 20:24:50 | Lazarus | ive seen this group grow alot in the last few years and i want it to stay that way |
| 20:24:59 | Lazarus | lol dinah |
| 20:25:13 | Lazarus | ever play any other online games Dinah |
| 20:25:26 | dinah | nope |
| 20:25:42 | Lazarus | well you should, then youll see what i mean |
| 20:25:45 | dinah | i dont even play bz anymore |
| 20:25:54 | Lazarus | ? |
| 20:26:18 | dinah | ive seen other online games "all your base are belong to us" |
| 20:26:41 | dinah | and fuck is said alot, as well as "you suck" |
| 20:26:43 | Lazarus | lol |
| 20:26:58 | Lazarus | i agree, but you can regulate that |
| 20:27:20 | Lazarus | most online games let you run private servers, i run several |
| 20:27:27 | dinah | id rather not have to regulate anything |
| 20:27:59 | sussudio | dinah: well, you should rip off the regular on your motherboard RIGHT NOW then |
| 20:28:15 | Lazarus | the servers with the jerks are the public ones |
| 20:28:15 | doughecka | sussudio: shuddup |
| 20:28:27 | sussudio | doug luws terminator |
| 20:28:36 | dinah | sussudio: ill have percy do it ;) |
| 20:29:39 | Sniper50 | have to go bye |
| 20:33:52 | Lazarus | got quiet |
| 20:34:10 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:36:20 | Lazarus | hello..hello....hello...is there anybody out there |
| 20:36:30 | jolly | lol |
| 20:36:36 | Lazarus | hi Jolly! |
| 20:36:41 | doughecka | ITS JOLLY JOLLY! |
| 20:36:42 | Lazarus | seen ya come in |
| 20:36:43 | jolly | hey laz :) |
| 20:36:50 | jolly | lol doug |
| 20:37:06 | Lazarus | did ya get my link to my new board...i really want your opinion especially |
| 20:37:21 | jolly | yes i did!! |
| 20:37:25 | jolly | it looks great! |
| 20:37:28 | Lazarus | still in construction phase |
| 20:37:45 | Lazarus | i want you as a mod |
| 20:37:56 | jolly | thx :) |
| 20:38:08 | Lazarus | maybe admin...you know anything about PHP? |
| 20:38:23 | doughecka | me = admin! |
| 20:38:24 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:38:30 | Lazarus | but youve been around awhile so you know whats up in BZ |
| 20:38:40 | Lazarus | lol doug |
| 20:38:42 | jolly | yeah |
| 20:38:59 | Lazarus | register and all that and ill set ya up |
| 20:39:18 | jolly | cool |
| 20:39:22 | jolly | so when did you set this up? |
| 20:39:38 | Lazarus | this last few days |
| 20:40:09 | Lazarus | i wasnt gonna do it at first, but now im gonna do everything i can to get everyone involved in BZ |
| 20:41:17 | jolly | sounds cool |
| 20:41:33 | jolly | not enough people at ez |
| 20:41:41 | doughecka | anyone here that uses windows? |
| 20:41:43 | Lazarus | i think this board, with all the bells and whistles will want players to come back daily |
| 20:41:48 | jolly | me |
| 20:41:49 | [dmp] | doughecka: me |
| 20:41:52 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:41:55 | Lazarus | <----windows |
| 20:41:58 | doughecka | oh cool |
| 20:42:22 | doughecka | try going to http://heckaman.bzflag.org and click connect |
| 20:42:33 | doughecka | wait till its done loading though |
| 20:42:47 | Lazarus | why whats wrong |
| 20:42:54 | doughecka | nothing |
| 20:42:58 | doughecka | but I want to test it |
| 20:43:02 | [dmp] | logon to your server |
| 20:43:03 | [dmp] | ? |
| 20:43:09 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:43:15 | doughecka | you should get a screen |
| 20:43:17 | doughecka | a login screen |
| 20:43:23 | doughecka | tell me if you get that far |
| 20:43:23 | [dmp] | i have it :) |
| 20:43:27 | doughecka | oh good |
| 20:43:28 | doughecka | thanks |
| 20:43:29 | [dmp] | gimme a username password :) |
| 20:43:29 | captain_proton | was pondering putting together a cheap little windows box and rdesktoping to it |
| 20:43:39 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:43:48 | doughecka | sorry, but its admins only |
| 20:43:48 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:43:50 | doughecka | captain_proton: lol |
| 20:43:52 | Lazarus | yeah, its just the XP screen for remote control |
| 20:44:00 | doughecka | its a 2000 box |
| 20:44:01 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:44:03 | doughecka | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/rdwebconn.asp |
| 20:44:27 | Lazarus | can do the same thing in XP |
| 20:44:39 | doughecka | Lazarus: yea, I have it setup on XP too |
| 20:44:47 | Lazarus | handy tool |
| 20:44:49 | doughecka | captain_proton: you know anything about VPN? |
| 20:44:51 | doughecka | very |
| 20:45:02 | captain_proton | doughecka: i know how it works |
| 20:45:16 | Lazarus | its secure Doug |
| 20:45:23 | doughecka | captain_proton: is it installed? |
| 20:45:26 | dinah | hah vnc is sooo much better than that windows crap |
| 20:45:41 | doughecka | dinah, you try it, its MUCH faster than VNC |
| 20:45:42 | captain_proton | doughecka: huh? |
| 20:45:49 | Lazarus | alot faster |
| 20:45:49 | doughecka | problem is its windows only |
| 20:45:53 | doughecka | indeed |
| 20:46:09 | doughecka | captain_proton: do you have VPN stuff installed on your linux box? |
| 20:46:13 | captain_proton | doughecka: no |
| 20:46:16 | doughecka | k |
| 20:46:18 | captain_proton | why would i? |
| 20:46:22 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 20:46:26 | doughecka | wonderin |
| 20:46:27 | dinah | vnc is much better |
| 20:46:34 | captain_proton | thats a good reason |
| 20:46:51 | dinah | adn besides, its not faster at all |
| 20:46:51 | doughecka | suit yourself |
| 20:46:56 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:47:01 | Lazarus | VPN question, lets say im in another part of world, if im on a VPN, would it still show the IP from the origen box? |
| 20:47:18 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:47:20 | doughecka | no |
| 20:47:26 | doughecka | lets just say... |
| 20:47:27 | Lazarus | ok |
| 20:47:34 | doughecka | you connect to your ISP |
| 20:47:45 | doughecka | then you "dail up" to your VPN server |
| 20:47:50 | doughecka | it gives you a new ip |
| 20:47:51 | Lazarus | k |
| 20:47:57 | doughecka | and then your inside the network! |
| 20:48:05 | dinah | Lazarus: he doesnt really know |
| 20:48:07 | captain_proton | hi ho, hi ho, its off to work i go |
| 20:48:15 | Lazarus | lol Cap |
| 20:48:23 | Terminator | hrm |
| 20:48:28 | doughecka | hey! |
| 20:48:39 | Lazarus | dinah doesnt play BZ why hang out in here? |
| 20:48:42 | doughecka | oh dear |
| 20:48:45 | doughecka | dinah |
| 20:48:47 | Lazarus | why dinah hehe |
| 20:48:55 | Terminator | she left neway |
| 20:48:58 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:49:06 | Lazarus | oic |
| 20:49:11 | Terminator | i think she hates me |
| 20:49:15 | doughecka | and me |
| 20:49:20 | Lazarus | and me |
| 20:49:22 | Lazarus | lol |
| 20:49:23 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:49:25 | Terminator | lol |
| 20:49:35 | doughecka | but that was the SIMPLE vpn idea |
| 20:49:39 | Terminator | women can be so fussy and complicated |
| 20:49:42 | doughecka | its much more complicated |
| 20:49:52 | Lazarus | terminater, we need to set up a 1 on 1 some time...i hear youre pretty good |
| 20:50:31 | Terminator | Lazarus: do u wanna play now |
| 20:50:38 | Terminator | u choose where |
| 20:50:48 | Terminator | ducati free for all? |
| 20:50:52 | Terminator | or where? |
| 20:50:56 | Lazarus | we need a old time map, 3 shots, any come to mind |
| 20:51:14 | Terminator | nope |
| 20:51:18 | doughecka | ducati |
| 20:51:21 | doughecka | ducks |
| 20:51:21 | Lazarus | lemme look |
| 20:51:30 | doughecka | ~QUACK! |
| 20:51:30 | bbot | doughecka: are you smoking crack? |
| 20:51:35 | doughecka | bbot yup |
| 20:51:35 | bbot | doughecka: i don't know |
| 20:51:40 | doughecka | ~yup |
| 20:51:50 | doughecka | [15:53] <bbot> Someone already said that 4 seconds ago |
| 20:51:55 | doughecka | ~yup |
| 20:51:55 | bbot | doughecka: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 20:51:59 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:52:01 | doughecka | ~poy |
| 20:52:01 | bbot | doughecka: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:52:04 | doughecka | ~yuo |
| 20:52:05 | bbot | doughecka: i don't know |
| 20:52:07 | doughecka | ~yup |
| 20:52:07 | bbot | doughecka: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:52:09 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:52:13 | doughecka | this is funny |
| 20:52:20 | doughecka | ~yup is <reply> yup |
| 20:52:20 | bbot | okay, doughecka |
| 20:52:23 | doughecka | ~yup |
| 20:52:23 | bbot | yup |
| 20:53:05 | Terminator | ~hello |
| 20:53:05 | bbot | bugger all, i dunno, Terminator |
| 20:53:13 | Lazarus | go to 24.194.98.76...bamf NY server |
| 20:53:15 | doughecka | ~bzdoug |
| 20:53:15 | bbot | the best |
| 20:53:21 | doughecka | ~factinfo for bzdoug |
| 20:53:21 | bbot | doughecka: there's no such factoid as for bzdoug |
| 20:53:27 | Terminator | k |
| 20:53:28 | doughecka | ~factinfo bzdoug |
| 20:53:28 | bbot | bzdoug -- created by bzdoug <~NeXT@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net> 6h 34m 37s ago; it has been requested 3 times, last by doughecka, 12s ago; it has been locked by bzdoug. |
| 20:53:32 | Lazarus | cya there |
| 20:53:32 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:59:22 | sussudio | that server sucks |
| 21:00:51 | PerfectCell | i want to replace ntdll.dll manually but win2k tells me:Cannot create or replace ntdll.dll, the specified file is used by windows |
| 21:00:56 | PerfectCell | what can i do? |
| 21:01:15 | sussudio | stop trying to do something stupid? |
| 21:01:48 | sussudio | or you could just speed up the process and format your harddisk now |
| 21:01:50 | PerfectCell | why its not stupid, its necessary |
| 21:01:54 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:04:01 | PerfectCell | i mean i need to copy that really important, i dont want to reinstall and some apps complain about missing some procedure entry points in ntdll.dll, that sucks |
| 21:04:24 | PerfectCell | sucks big time |
| 21:07:37 | PerfectCell | evrytime i satrt winace it tells me:The Procedure entry point RtlUnhanclleclExceptionFilter could not be located in the dynamic link library ntdll.dll |
| 21:07:44 | doughecka | winace? |
| 21:07:48 | PerfectCell | yep |
| 21:07:52 | doughecka | whats dat? |
| 21:07:58 | PerfectCell | compression tool |
| 21:08:07 | PerfectCell | www.winace.com |
| 21:08:11 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:09:50 | Terminator | g2g now |
| 21:09:55 | Terminator | c ya l8r all |
| 21:09:57 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:09:58 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:09:59 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:10:00 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:10:00 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:10:01 | doughecka | cya |
| 21:10:15 | PerfectCell | i have installed the terminal services stuff now |
| 21:12:14 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:12:14 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:12:17 | doughecka | bleeeeh |
| 21:16:46 | sussudio | so when's the wedding, doug? |
| 21:16:53 | doughecka | !?!?!? |
| 21:16:59 | sussudio | between you and terminator |
| 21:17:13 | doughecka | kicks sussudio in the groin |
| 21:17:24 | sussudio | that's not an answer |
| 21:17:38 | sussudio | halloween would've been a good date |
| 21:27:13 | doughecka | export |
| 22:11:28 | maki | hello..... |
| 22:12:25 | maki | ¿hello? |
| 22:15:47 | sussudio | hello, doug is not here right now to answer your call. when he's done snogging terminator, he will listen to your message and call you back. thank you for calling. |
| 22:46:44 | Lazarus | ack, ack, ack |
| 22:46:48 | Lazarus | hehe |
| 22:47:02 | Lazarus | you here paul |
| 22:47:12 | paul | laz... laz! |
| 22:47:18 | paul | how are you keeping? |
| 22:47:19 | Lazarus | hi |
| 22:47:24 | Lazarus | check this out |
| 22:48:00 | Chestal | ah, hi Laz |
| 22:48:13 | Lazarus | hi chest |
| 22:48:25 | Chestal | Laz: you still on dialup? |
| 22:48:28 | Lazarus | good paul |
| 22:48:37 | Lazarus | dsl now chest |
| 22:48:46 | paul | just a brief abstention from exile, or will we see more from you now? |
| 22:48:57 | paul | (esp as you cant use the dialup excuse anymore i see :) ) |
| 22:49:04 | Chestal | Laz: ah, that should be much better |
| 22:49:10 | Lazarus | yes |
| 22:49:16 | paul | yes? :) |
| 22:49:24 | paul | former or latter? |
| 22:49:31 | Lazarus | yes to your ? paul |
| 22:49:43 | paul | but which bit? :) |
| 22:50:12 | paul | brief abstention or will we see more of you? |
| 22:50:51 | Lazarus | will see more of me |
| 22:51:09 | Lazarus | : ) |
| 22:53:23 | paul | cool |
| 22:54:13 | Lazarus | ill change that |
| 22:54:16 | Lazarus | http://stats.bzflag.org/chat.php |
| 22:54:20 | Lazarus | oops |
| 22:54:31 | paul | :) |
| 22:54:35 | Lazarus | http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/index.php |
| 22:54:38 | Lazarus | there |
| 22:55:08 | foo | woo |
| 22:55:15 | Lazarus | hi foo |
| 22:55:26 | paul | hmm... it crashed galeon :( |
| 22:55:28 | paul | bye |
| 22:55:30 | paul | foo |
| 22:56:43 | Chestal | not mine |
| 22:56:57 | Chestal | my galeon is unsinkable ;-) |
| 22:57:17 | Lazarus | lol |
| 22:57:21 | paul | Chestal: :) |
| 22:57:31 | paul | Chestal: go try out that CGI IRC client |
| 22:57:36 | paul | http://stats.bzflag.org/chat.php |
| 22:57:43 | paul | kills my galeon soon enough |
| 22:57:58 | Chestal | ah, didn't try that |
| 22:58:26 | Chesta| | here I am |
| 22:58:27 | Lazarus | Frank stopped by my board today |
| 22:58:28 | paul | woo |
| 22:58:44 | Chesta| | that's galeon 1.2.6 |
| 22:58:45 | paul | how long will ches's galeon last? |
| 22:58:52 | Lazarus | you hear any from Oma lately Chestal |
| 22:58:59 | Chestal | Lazarus: nope, nothing |
| 22:59:05 | paul | Oma - there's a name i havnt heard in ages |
| 22:59:09 | paul | what happened to him? |
| 22:59:25 | paul | Did his hand ever recover? |
| 22:59:47 | Lazarus | yes |
| 22:59:55 | Chestal | my bzflag universe consists of this channel, the CTF league, what's on sourceforge, rarely readign ezboard and playing on ducati |
| 23:00:19 | Chestal | I don't knw much about what's happening on other servers. TRied to play on chardonnay for a change a few days ago, but peopel suck there |
| 23:00:39 | Chestal | I notied there are a lot of servers int eh server lsit these days |
| 23:00:47 | Chestal | but people only join 4 or 5 of those |
| 23:01:02 | Chestal | I wonder who all the admins of those servers are |
| 23:01:03 | paul | Chestal: yeah, i played on chardonnay last night and found a few players have developed a tactic, that if they're about to get shot, of jumping and pressing pause |
| 23:01:19 | Chestal | paul: uh, jumpin gin itself is bad enough |
| 23:01:31 | Chestal | paul: but at least I can shoot them when they land :-) |
| 23:01:37 | paul | a bad tactic, yes. |
| 23:01:46 | paul | not if they pause in mid-air |
| 23:01:53 | Chestal | well, I played a little to try and get a high score |
| 23:02:05 | Chestal | was fun for a while, even with all those coward tacics and bg lags and foul-mouthed people |
| 23:02:10 | paul | yep. |
| 23:02:18 | Chestal | but when team killers came with no admin known, I was off |
| 23:02:23 | paul | aye. |
| 23:02:29 | paul | speaking of which... |
| 23:02:38 | Chestal | chardonnay has been in the lsit for ages, but I never met anyone who knew the admin |
| 23:02:41 | paul | anyone fancy hitting chardonnay and showing the newbies how its done? :) |
| 23:02:55 | Chestal | not me, I'm about to go to bed |
| 23:02:55 | paul | k |
| 23:02:58 | paul | laz? |
| 23:03:06 | Chestal | just have to finish my beer |
| 23:03:20 | Lazarus | phone |
| 23:03:21 | Chestal | I got to liek the .uk 1 shot server lately |
| 23:03:32 | paul | jzaun has some mad idea for 'bzcops' - but i'm kind of worried about the security of it. |
| 23:03:36 | Chestal | but it's mostly empty and people tend to have big lags thre |
| 23:03:37 | paul | ie there is none (that i can see) |
| 23:03:53 | paul | 1 shot - fun |
| 23:04:06 | Chestal | ducati 5155 is back to 2 shot, has been 1 shot for 2 months or so |
| 23:04:13 | Chestal | I even added 3 flags :_) |
| 23:04:17 | paul | haha |
| 23:04:30 | Chestal | 1 steamroller, 1 machien gun, 1 quick turn |
| 23:04:36 | paul | :) |
| 23:04:45 | paul | qt could be very useful on low-shot server |
| 23:04:46 | Chestal | I myself wouldn't use machine gun |
| 23:04:54 | Chestal | qt is very powerful |
| 23:05:01 | Chestal | but it's hard to use |
| 23:05:01 | paul | actually, they're all useful for low-shot |
| 23:05:08 | paul | nah, i love qt |
| 23:05:14 | Chestal | I love it, too |
| 23:05:19 | paul | if you can keep it long enough you can get quite used to it |
| 23:05:20 | Chestal | but most peopel never try to use it |
| 23:05:29 | paul | excellent for dodging |
| 23:05:32 | Chestal | in close combat it gives you a huge advantage |
| 23:05:35 | paul | yep |
| 23:05:56 | Chestal | sr is nice on jumping servers. Just drive to their landng spot and wait :-) |
| 23:06:02 | paul | :) |
| 23:06:07 | paul | or jump through them |
| 23:06:16 | paul | (not head on) |
| 23:06:19 | Chestal | ah, I don't jump |
| 23:06:25 | paul | i try not to |
| 23:06:34 | Chestal | playe don chardonnay for 2 hours or so and pressed tab 5 times I guess |
| 23:06:38 | paul | wow |
| 23:06:41 | paul | score at end? |
| 23:06:54 | Chestal | hmm, not sure, +189 or so |
| 23:07:05 | Chestal | mostly newbies on, other peopel are much better on that server than me |
| 23:07:10 | paul | wow |
| 23:07:25 | paul | develops an itch to go onto chardonnay |
| 23:07:32 | Chestal | I ave no control when jumping anyway |
| 23:07:42 | Chestal | and my framerate drops too much |
| 23:07:44 | paul | there was a point yesterday i was developing a nice score 60+ish and the bloody server reset |
| 23:08:02 | Chestal | chardonnay? |
| 23:08:21 | paul | yep |
| 23:08:33 | doughecka | Chesta|: you here? |
| 23:08:44 | Chestal | it seems to do that a lost. bamf was playing on chardonnay at least twice with a score of about 500, then it resetted |
| 23:08:45 | paul | started a work up a score after the reset but got pissed off with coward tactics |
| 23:08:50 | Chesta| | bye |
| 23:08:56 | paul | see ya ches |
| 23:08:59 | doughecka | :( |
| 23:09:06 | Chestal | just my alter ego |
| 23:09:10 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:09:11 | doughecka | brb |
| 23:09:25 | Chestal | there's a very huge negative score on stats.bzflag.org |
| 23:10:01 | Chestal | hi bzlynx btw. |
| 23:10:05 | bzlynx | hey |
| 23:11:39 | doughecka | Chestal: could you change team leaders for annilihation from me to noodleman? |
| 23:11:40 | bzlynx | Sir Lagsalot with -34000 ?? |
| 23:11:49 | Lazarus | lmao |
| 23:11:51 | doughecka | yay |
| 23:11:53 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:12:00 | doughecka | impossimus |
| 23:12:14 | doughecka | is away: gone |
| 23:12:19 | Chestal | dough: hmm, doe noodleman know about this? |
| 23:12:32 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:12:42 | doughecka | but volcety dont repsond at all |
| 23:12:43 | doughecka | :( |
| 23:12:47 | doughecka | so I asking you |
| 23:12:53 | Chestal | volcety? |
| 23:13:03 | doughecka | what ever his name is |
| 23:13:04 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:13:06 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 23:13:07 | Chestal | Valoche? |
| 23:13:10 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:13:12 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:13:23 | Chestal | hmm, I'm not sure I can change a team leader, I'll look into it |
| 23:13:28 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:13:30 | Chestal | so you msgd Valoche about it? |
| 23:13:33 | doughecka | he said it was possible |
| 23:13:34 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:14:01 | captain_proton | Chestal: you'd probably have to muck with the db |
| 23:14:07 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:14:21 | doughecka | anyway... I have to be off |
| 23:14:22 | Chestal | captain: that#s what I expect, too. I'll only do it, when it's possible with the web ui |
| 23:14:25 | Chestal | bye dough |
| 23:14:25 | doughecka | is away: gone |
| 23:14:33 | doughecka | cya |
| 23:15:39 | Chestal | hmm, I must clean my bzmailbox |
| 23:55:36 | Patlabor221 | bah the unreal format dosn't store normals |
