| 00:00:21 | captain_proton | decides to get the sound stuff working in linux |
| 00:02:54 | Patlabor221 | it should be fiarly strait forward |
| 00:03:01 | Patlabor221 | there is FMOD on linux |
| 00:03:22 | Patlabor221 | and I did the file loading just like you did on the texturemanager |
| 00:04:10 | captain_proton | where might i find fmod? |
| 00:04:47 | Patlabor221 | http://www.fmod.org/ |
| 00:04:51 | Patlabor221 | silly boy |
| 00:05:20 | Patlabor221 | it's got the ogg support too |
| 00:05:41 | Patlabor221 | don't think it does hardware sound on linux tho |
| 00:05:47 | Patlabor221 | just emulates it |
| 00:05:50 | Patlabor221 | in software |
| 00:06:28 | captain_proton | sheesh, fmod isn't open source |
| 00:06:47 | Patlabor221 | but it's free for free projects |
| 00:08:13 | captain_proton | is fmod C++? |
| 00:11:14 | captain_proton | *growl* |
| 00:11:23 | captain_proton | SoundMngr.cpp:34:15: MAP: No such file or directory |
| 00:11:24 | captain_proton | SoundMngr.cpp:35:18: STRING: No such file or directory |
| 00:11:24 | captain_proton | SoundMngr.cpp:36:18: VECTOR: No such file or directory |
| 00:13:47 | captain_proton | and whats this? |
| 00:13:49 | captain_proton | TRUE? FALSE? |
| 00:14:23 | Patlabor221 | oh that |
| 00:14:27 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 00:14:43 | Patlabor221 | I forgot to make it lower case |
| 00:14:45 | Patlabor221 | damnit |
| 00:14:50 | captain_proton | forgot |
| 00:14:52 | captain_proton | a likely story |
| 00:14:56 | Patlabor221 | made it lowercase in the new tuff |
| 00:15:18 | Patlabor221 | no I went back and did it in all the stuff for the current app, like the textureman, and LGE |
| 00:15:25 | Patlabor221 | but since the current app didn't do sound |
| 00:15:31 | Patlabor221 | I didn't hit those headers |
| 00:15:47 | captain_proton | thinks Patlabor221 needs to do the jetstream thing |
| 00:15:59 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 00:16:20 | Patlabor221 | thinks he needs something other then a Celly 333 laptop with linux |
| 00:16:44 | captain_proton | you can dev it on windows, the libs are cross-platform ;) |
| 00:16:46 | Patlabor221 | and it won't even go out to an external monitor in RH8 |
| 00:17:04 | Patlabor221 | I need to finish my little test here |
| 00:17:09 | Patlabor221 | then perhaps |
| 00:17:27 | Patlabor221 | I am woried about the net lib |
| 00:17:37 | Patlabor221 | I know it's NOT unix socets |
| 00:17:46 | captain_proton | jetstream is single player, 'member? |
| 00:17:52 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:17:57 | Patlabor221 | but my test needs net |
| 00:18:01 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'm doing it |
| 00:22:08 | captain_proton | well, it compiles |
| 00:22:13 | captain_proton | its messy as hell, but it compiles |
| 00:26:48 | captain_proton | fixes a warning in the fmod headers |
| 00:31:00 | captain_proton | heeeey, soundtest compiles and runs :) |
| 00:34:50 | Patlabor221 | told you it would be not too bad |
| 00:36:51 | captain_proton | what is twilight.mp3 from? |
| 00:37:32 | Patlabor221 | an anime called hack// |
| 00:37:37 | Patlabor221 | thought you would like it |
| 00:38:06 | captain_proton | relegates de-warnificationing the sound manager for another day |
| 00:38:19 | Patlabor221 | anime is prety good too, takes place entirely in a MMOLRPG |
| 00:43:54 | captain_proton | hmm, sound manager is named 'SoundMngr' |
| 00:44:25 | Patlabor221 | tried to match texturemngr |
| 00:44:39 | Patlabor221 | I think I should just make them all Manager |
| 00:44:43 | Patlabor221 | would be simpler |
| 00:44:48 | captain_proton | in the API, the file name is Mngr and the class name is Manager |
| 00:44:58 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 00:45:05 | captain_proton | should all be Manager :) |
| 00:45:08 | Patlabor221 | please feel free to make them all manager |
| 00:45:09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:45:15 | Patlabor221 | I shall do the same here |
| 00:45:32 | Patlabor221 | I don't know why I shortend it |
| 00:45:58 | Patlabor221 | I must now go to the land of swords and sorcery |
| 00:46:23 | Patlabor221 | ponders puting up a CVS when he gets home toinght |
| 00:46:55 | captain_proton | CVS is icky |
| 00:46:58 | captain_proton | lets go subversion :) |
| 00:47:07 | Patlabor221 | yes I saw that |
| 00:47:14 | Patlabor221 | it looked interesting |
| 00:47:28 | Patlabor221 | I need to see if I have a macine for it tho |
| 00:47:35 | Patlabor221 | and I have to set the DMZ |
| 00:47:40 | Patlabor221 | but that's no biggie |
| 00:48:15 | Patlabor221 | ok time to go play a halfling with a longsword. |
| 00:48:22 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 00:54:44 | BZFlag | hacks on i18n http://rikers.org/tmp/mlterm-vim.png http://rikers.org/tmp/utf8.html |
| 00:56:37 | deadagain | hi |
| 00:56:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: thats cool |
| 01:02:33 | BZFlag | captain_proton: it's been fun looking into some i18n stuff. just found that apache sets the page to latin-1 anyway. (ugh). fixed. |
| 01:03:07 | captain_proton | you could utf-8 bzflag ;) |
| 01:03:11 | BZFlag | try the html version again, or try a similar url: http://www.rikers.org/tmp/utf8.html and tell me it it displays right in your browser. |
| 01:03:55 | BZFlag | that would be fun huh? curse and people in japanese? have korean nicks.. fun fun. |
| 01:04:31 | captain_proton | it looks to default to UTF8 now, but that might have been a product of my fiddling |
| 01:05:07 | BZFlag | you get all the different glyphs? |
| 01:05:36 | BZFlag | I added to ibot... |
| 01:05:36 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:05:44 | BZFlag | ibot x en jp teach me |
| 01:05:44 | | BZFlag: 私を教えなさい |
| 01:05:56 | captain_proton | heh, looks great in my 'fixed' font |
| 01:06:11 | BZFlag | I can't get xchat to show that one right either. |
| 01:06:17 | BZFlag | ibot x en kr teach me |
| 01:06:17 | | BZFlag: 나에게를 가르치십시요 |
| 01:06:55 | BZFlag | hey! I got it. |
| 01:07:48 | BZFlag | apt-get install xfonts-efont-unicode |
| 01:08:07 | BZFlag | then pick biwidth as a font. |
| 01:10:10 | BZFlag | very coo. |
| 01:10:13 | BZFlag | er cool. |
| 01:10:35 | BZFlag | ibot x en jp IRC in unicode is so cool it makes me flip. |
| 01:10:36 | | BZFlag: Unicode のirc あるとても涼しい私にフリップをする。 |
| 01:10:43 | BZFlag | hehehe |
| 01:15:44 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/cool.png |
| 02:01:50 | captain_proton | notices that while BZFlag is ircing in utf8, he's not ircing in antialiased utf8 |
| 02:03:49 | Noodleman | hey peeps |
| 02:03:54 | | jzaun was last seen on #bzflag 12 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: hey doughecka [Thu Oct 10 16:34:58 2002] |
| 02:03:54 | Noodleman | ibot seen jzaun |
| 02:04:04 | | doughecka was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 1 hours, 15 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: hmmm [Mon Oct 21 18:48:15 2002] |
| 02:04:04 | Noodleman | ibot seen doughecka |
| 02:11:50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yeah. can't find a mono spaced unicode truetype font. |
| 02:12:26 | BZFlag | so I can have antialiasing or upper unicode but not both. |
| 02:34:16 | Noodleman | everybody's dead |
| 02:34:42 | Noodleman | doughecka took his shoes off and left everyone dead |
| 02:35:04 | Noodleman | then he left, so as to keep from being suspect |
| 02:37:43 | Noodleman | captain_proton: i don't know whether this font is unicode, but is has more characters than i would have expected |
| 02:37:59 | Noodleman | it's monotype courier ce |
| 02:38:22 | Noodleman | http://www.fonts.com/findfonts/detail.asp?pid=205882 |
| 02:39:54 | captain_proton | nope, not unicode |
| 02:40:06 | captain_proton | its easy to identify unicode fonts because there are about 100000 glyphs |
| 02:40:12 | Noodleman | gee |
| 02:40:32 | captain_proton | well, not quite |
| 02:40:42 | captain_proton | but it would have characters for japanese, chinese, korean, etc |
| 02:40:47 | Noodleman | do they include the far east stuff too? |
| 02:40:50 | Noodleman | ah |
| 02:41:12 | Noodleman | in my mail, i get korean spam all the time |
| 02:41:22 | Noodleman | and the characters render as korean too |
| 02:41:34 | Noodleman | i wonder which font that is using |
| 02:46:44 | Noodleman | just curious, why do you need a unicode font? |
| 02:47:28 | Noodleman | captain_proton: just curious, why do you need a unicode font? |
| 03:03:59 | captain_proton | Noodleman: i don't |
| 05:16:58 | Widget | What is this "saberhagen.freenode.net"? |
| 07:17:07 | Widget | . |
| 07:17:12 | prodan | guete morge |
| 07:44:20 | captain_proton | naptime |
| 07:45:19 | MrApathyCream | code something first |
| 07:45:22 | MrApathyCream | then nap |
| 07:45:37 | captain_proton | i've been coding all day |
| 07:45:41 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 07:45:44 | MrApathyCream | (and not Mr. Wiggle) |
| 07:46:01 | MrApathyCream | lemme check cvs up bzflag |
| 07:46:04 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 07:59:23 | akira_ | moin |
| 08:01:54 | MrApathyCream | motha |
| 08:22:21 | bomber | moin |
| 08:23:54 | akira_ | moin |
| 08:27:33 | Pinguin | auch moin |
| 08:28:15 | bomber | Pinguin...wie gehts? |
| 08:28:39 | bomber | Tin spielt kicker und er denkt er ist der beste :o) |
| 08:31:06 | Pinguin | Jetzt? |
| 08:31:31 | Pinguin | Sollen wir es mal Tin so richtig zeigen? |
| 08:31:56 | Pinguin | Coffee-Break |
| 10:14:33 | snyke | sry |
| 11:05:16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:05:16 | bomber | ibot ducati |
| 11:05:17 | bzbot | beldin (R): 0 (0-0). Zorg (G): 0 (0-0). xabbu (G): -8 (13-21). chatelaine (R): 74 (175-101). Yeti (G): -2 (20-22). Riggs (R): 1 (6-5). Zaphod (G): 2 (2-0). |
| 11:37:27 | akira_ | hallo |
| 11:57:37 | akira_ | hello captain_proton :))) |
| 11:57:58 | akira_ | hello Chestal |
| 12:40:37 | Pinguin | Win2K ... 1048584 bytes Memory usage ... |
| 12:41:06 | akira_ | not usage |
| 12:41:08 | akira_ | waste |
| 12:41:12 | sussudio | wha? |
| 12:42:09 | Pinguin | the app itself sees only 734000 bytes ... strange ... |
| 12:43:15 | Pinguin | ups ... the numbers are kbytes ... |
| 12:45:44 | sussudio | :-y |
| 12:45:53 | Pinguin | so Win2k uses 400MB i cannot explain ... how can this be? |
| 12:46:02 | sussudio | 2os[Windows 2000 Professional, Service Pack 3 (5.0 - 2195)] 2uptime[19h 54m 51s] 2cpu[1-AMD Athlon K7, 800MHz, 512KB] 2mem[Usage: 191/1024MB (18.65%)[||--------]] |
| 12:46:42 | Pinguin | 19h of uptime ... you should have rebootet 12 h ago ... |
| 12:47:00 | sussudio | neh.... i only reboot when bzflag fucks up my video driver...... |
| 12:47:30 | Pinguin | you needs this much of memory for bzflag? |
| 12:47:45 | sussudio | wha? |
| 12:48:05 | Pinguin | 1024MB for shared memory graphics card? |
| 12:48:10 | sussudio | nuh. |
| 12:48:16 | sussudio | memory was cheap at the time |
| 12:48:20 | sussudio | so i got 2x512 |
| 12:48:22 | sussudio | PC133 |
| 12:49:13 | sussudio | it was about the equivalent of 150DM or less then for 512MB |
| 12:49:33 | Pinguin | sounds logic ... |
| 12:49:50 | sussudio | and it makes win2000 run like a rabbit on crack...... |
| 12:50:21 | sussudio | although you notice the diff between 256 and 512 a lot more than between 512 and 1024 |
| 12:51:10 | bomber | chestal? |
| 12:51:18 | Chestal | bomber? |
| 12:51:29 | | sussudio? |
| 12:51:29 | sussudio | ibot? |
| 12:51:47 | bomber | wie ist jetzt lag-grenze bei ducati? |
| 12:52:06 | Chestal | weiss ich net auswendig,mithoher Wahrscheinlichkeit zwischen 300 und 400ms |
| 12:52:22 | bomber | weil ist eine da mit 548ms |
| 12:52:30 | bomber | und will nicht weg :o) |
| 12:52:35 | akira_ | hallo chestal ... |
| 12:52:59 | akira_ | bomber: wie heisst sie denn? |
| 12:53:27 | Chestal | bomber: e6 oder aelter? |
| 12:53:49 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:53:49 | bomber | ibot ducati |
| 12:53:52 | bzbot | ('o')y-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* (G): -6 (5-11). cheesus (G): -2 (4-6). @intrix (G): 0 (0-0). chantara (R): 1 (2-1). Walter (R): -2 (71-73). |
| 12:54:03 | bomber | erste in der liste |
| 12:54:14 | bomber | :o) |
| 12:54:30 | bomber | unmoeglich zu schiessen |
| 12:54:40 | bomber | es geht aber schwierig |
| 12:55:06 | bomber | und heute habe ich dort einen geshen mit 64800ms :o) |
| 12:55:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:55:33 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 12:55:34 | bzbot | ('o')y-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* (G): -6 (5-11). cheesus (G): -1 (7-8). intrix (R): 1 (2-1). @ (P): 0 (0-0). Walter (R): -4 (71-75). |
| 13:11:28 | Pinguin | discoverd RedHat 8.0 on the Mathematics-Server .... |
| 13:11:37 | Pinguin | smiles |
| 13:16:05 | bomber | s attention is higher :o) |
| 13:21:13 | Pinguin | linuxlinuxlinuxlinuxlinux |
| 13:43:59 | akira_ | Chestal: befehle im admin mode? |
| 13:46:46 | Chestal | willste wissen? |
| 13:56:20 | bzdoug_birmingha | ho hum |
| 14:50:28 | akira_ | Chestal: hat sich erledigt |
| 15:35:40 | sussudio | there's a cheater on jzaun |
| 15:37:25 | chsh[] | a cheater? |
| 15:37:29 | chsh[] | I thought bzflag was cheat-free? |
| 15:37:41 | sussudio | yeah, right |
| 15:37:51 | sussudio | like cheat-free pick-a-flag and aimbots |
| 15:38:05 | chsh[] | hehehe |
| 15:38:12 | chsh[] | well why don't the developers make it cheat free? |
| 15:38:41 | sussudio | what developers? |
| 15:44:35 | chsh[] | ;) |
| 15:50:39 | vxd- | I'm brand new to bzflag |
| 15:50:42 | vxd- | just got the code last night |
| 15:50:46 | vxd- | looks really kewl so far |
| 15:50:51 | vxd- | haven't even played the game yet |
| 15:51:08 | captain_proton | chsh[]: its a lot more complicated than you think - we have ideas |
| 15:51:36 | vxd- | with the code being open src... seems like it's going to be harder |
| 15:52:00 | captain_proton | that's the entire issue right there |
| 15:52:27 | vxd- | yah |
| 15:52:57 | vxd- | though this way it will force new ideas that won't require obscurity. |
| 15:53:43 | chsh[] | captain_proton> are you telling me you can't write a secure, cheat-free game? |
| 15:54:07 | Patlabor221 | 100% cheat free is nearly imposible |
| 15:54:12 | captain_proton | its impossible to make it completely cheat free |
| 15:54:15 | chsh[] | uhhuh |
| 15:54:18 | chsh[] | that's what you all say |
| 15:54:23 | Chestal | chsh: of course you can, e.g. by exchangign only that information which is needed |
| 15:54:29 | chsh[] | trying to cover up your ineptude. :D j/k |
| 15:54:32 | Chestal | chsh: but this would probably notperform reasonably over the net |
| 15:54:32 | captain_proton | hrmn |
| 15:54:52 | Patlabor221 | and would not allow the custimisations that soo many people want today. |
| 15:54:52 | captain_proton | runs off to class |
| 15:54:55 | chsh[] | lol |
| 15:54:58 | chsh[] | I scared him off |
| 15:55:06 | chsh[] | I'm just yankin yer chains guys |
| 15:55:18 | chsh[] | btw, is there any racing wheel support in bsflag? |
| 15:55:20 | chsh[] | *bzflag? |
| 15:55:31 | Patlabor221 | in what OS? |
| 15:55:42 | chsh[] | linux, preferably |
| 15:55:46 | Patlabor221 | no clue |
| 15:56:33 | Patlabor221 | I have seen some windows drivers that would let you arbitarlry map the input devices axes to standard axes |
| 15:56:42 | Patlabor221 | so you could set it up to emulate a mouse |
| 15:56:48 | chsh[] | hehe |
| 15:56:50 | chsh[] | emulate a mouse |
| 15:57:02 | chsh[] | how many people are working on bzflag? |
| 15:57:10 | Patlabor221 | presently |
| 15:57:15 | Patlabor221 | proalby 0.5 |
| 15:57:55 | chsh[] | lol |
| 15:58:39 | Patlabor221 | there have been discusion on what to do for 1.8 recently tho |
| 15:59:56 | vxd- | I will help if I can |
| 16:01:02 | sussudio | i suggest an easter egg in 1.8 called "Richard Gere Bot" that will hunt down anyone using the nick "Gerbil" |
| 16:01:33 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 need to work before there are easter eggs |
| 16:01:51 | vxd- | the code base is smaller then I expected |
| 16:02:07 | Patlabor221 | it's not a very complex game |
| 16:02:34 | vxd- | how many people wrote this ? |
| 16:02:46 | Patlabor221 | origonaly |
| 16:02:46 | Patlabor221 | 1 |
| 16:02:52 | vxd- | wow |
| 16:03:04 | Patlabor221 | it was origonaly made for SGIs |
| 16:03:14 | vxd- | wah |
| 16:03:15 | Patlabor221 | then expanded and ported to other OSs |
| 16:03:15 | vxd- | ah |
| 16:03:18 | Patlabor221 | then make opensource |
| 16:03:42 | Patlabor221 | that's when Tim took it over from CRS |
| 16:03:52 | vxd- | what does the orginal author do ? |
| 16:03:56 | Patlabor221 | now? |
| 16:03:59 | vxd- | yah |
| 16:04:21 | Patlabor221 | I think he's working on some specal linux distro |
| 16:04:25 | vxd- | ha |
| 16:04:26 | vxd- | ah |
| 16:04:30 | sussudio | flaggix? |
| 16:04:38 | vxd- | interesting... you'd think he'd be designing games |
| 16:04:45 | Patlabor221 | oh no no, not related to BZ |
| 16:04:52 | sussudio | bummer |
| 16:05:00 | sussudio | little tanks going over the console....... |
| 16:05:01 | Patlabor221 | he stoped on BZ part way thru the 1.8 back end changes |
| 16:06:24 | vxd- | wow ... why did he stop ? |
| 16:08:07 | chsh[] | he ran out of cheetohs? |
| 16:08:22 | Patlabor221 | lack of interest I think, and perhaps other things were more intersting |
| 16:08:37 | Patlabor221 | and it seems like 1.8 was getting rather complex |
| 16:08:42 | Patlabor221 | perhaps that's why |
| 16:08:51 | vxd- | so it's much more complex now then when he wrote it ? |
| 16:09:43 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 is trying to do more stuff external |
| 16:10:00 | Patlabor221 | like allowing arbitrarly gemoetry in the map instead of just boxes and pyramids |
| 16:10:07 | Patlabor221 | but it's all been done in XML |
| 16:10:12 | Patlabor221 | and it's ugly |
| 16:10:18 | vxd- | hrm |
| 16:10:25 | Patlabor221 | and there are a number of problems that still need to be solved with it |
| 16:12:47 | vxd- | wow interesting stuff |
| 16:12:58 | vxd- | you work on the code ? |
| 16:13:24 | Patlabor221 | I have some code in there |
| 16:13:34 | Patlabor221 | I made the windows editor |
| 16:13:51 | Patlabor221 | and did the origonal windows screen res switching code. |
| 16:13:55 | Patlabor221 | and made the icon :) |
| 16:14:07 | vxd- | ah kewl |
| 16:15:55 | vxd- | bbl, have to work on some C code that I have to get done for work... though I am very interseted :) |
| 16:16:23 | vxd- | XML eh... never heard of it being done that way before. :) |
| 16:24:44 | Patlabor221 | nor had I, it is not very intuitive. |
| 16:31:42 | Bongul|I`M-Away | 6is now away! I'm going to unkown position 12M02U12L02E01z 12S02C12R02I12P02T |
| 18:43:12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:43:12 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 18:43:13 | bzbot | Izto (G): -2 (5-7). jr (G): -49 (35-84). Mom (G): 4 (7-3). Zaphod (R): 6 (71-65). GomezZ (R): 0 (1-1). Comanche (R): 30 (76-46). |
| 18:58:39 | captain_proton | returns |
| 18:58:46 | captain_proton | vxd-: you're interested in developing? :) |
| 19:39:50 | | it has been said that captain_proton is Mr. Aphenphosmphobia |
| 19:39:50 | chsh[] | ibot captain_proton |
| 19:40:03 | captain_proton | 'lo chsh[] |
| 19:40:30 | chsh[] | hey cp |
| 19:40:35 | chsh[] | you don't like being touched eh? |
| 19:41:05 | captain_proton | its an old joke |
| 19:41:15 | captain_proton | from when i wrote a tron-like game for a class known as "mr wiggly" |
| 19:41:27 | captain_proton | and mr wiggly is aphenphosmphobic |
| 19:43:14 | captain_proton | mr wiggly was the coolest game ever to be written in asm... |
| 19:43:22 | captain_proton | multiplayer over serial null modem cable :) |
| 19:43:49 | chsh[] | ;p; |
| 19:43:52 | chsh[] | *lol |
| 19:43:59 | chsh[] | Mr Wiggly? |
| 19:44:09 | captain_proton | yep |
| 19:44:34 | chsh[] | tron-like? |
| 19:44:40 | chsh[] | in asm? |
| 19:44:49 | captain_proton | 2d ;) |
| 19:45:06 | chsh[] | so what other apps do you develop for? just bzflag? |
| 19:45:44 | captain_proton | i've written a good number of other random things, bzflag is really the only organized project i work on right now |
| 19:47:01 | chsh[] | ah |
| 19:47:10 | chsh[] | and from what you said earlier, it doesn't sound very organized |
| 19:47:36 | captain_proton | right now its not too organized |
| 19:47:55 | chsh[] | that's being fixed I gather? |
| 19:48:04 | captain_proton | :P |
| 19:48:36 | captain_proton | high ho, its off to work i go |
| 19:49:20 | Patlabor221 | for the school? |
| 20:00:22 | BZFlag | ohh, captain_proton says bzflag is organized. ;-) |
| 20:15:53 | akira_ | hello all |
| 20:17:45 | Patlabor221 | 'lo |
| 20:29:56 | Patlabor221 | love it when I just find a 40 gig drive on my desk that I forgot I had |
| 20:41:12 | Chestal | stats.bzflag.org is broken |
| 21:22:51 | sussudio | what happens when a teleporter has more than 1 destination |
| 21:23:35 | Patlabor221 | nothing |
| 21:23:43 | Patlabor221 | it should work |
| 21:24:00 | sussudio | where does it go when there's 3 links, going to 2, 4, 6? |
| 21:24:03 | Patlabor221 | I think you should be able to have multiple porters go to the same dest |
| 21:24:14 | Patlabor221 | oh that I don't know |
| 21:24:24 | Patlabor221 | proalby ether uses the first or the last |
| 21:24:31 | Patlabor221 | would have to be tested |
| 21:24:33 | sussudio | or crash client maybe? |
| 21:24:48 | BZFlag | probably the last one. |
| 21:24:48 | Patlabor221 | that is a third and probably choice :) |
| 21:25:10 | BZFlag | small sample worlds that crash would be appretiated. |
| 21:25:13 | sussudio | there's 3 maps on jzaun with multiple To links |
| 21:25:18 | BZFlag | I'll put some basic checks in the server. |
| 21:25:33 | sussudio | BZFlag: just make a pyramid 400x400x1 |
| 21:25:44 | BZFlag | eek. |
| 21:26:06 | sussudio | it locks up the console hard too (where bzfs is running) |
| 21:26:06 | BZFlag | there needs to be some floor space or you can't join. |
| 21:26:10 | Patlabor221 | no valid floor space |
| 21:26:25 | BZFlag | tough to have a server check for that though. |
| 21:26:44 | Patlabor221 | you would have to slice the geo at Z0 |
| 21:27:01 | BZFlag | would have to run he spawn algorithm and see if it works. |
| 21:27:30 | sussudio | i wrote a little sanity checker that checks if teleporter links are okay |
| 21:27:59 | sussudio | a teleporter link higher than the last teleporter will crash a client too |
| 21:28:27 | Patlabor221 | ooooh phantom destination |
| 21:28:44 | sussudio | yeah... wankerspanker still hasnt pulled the map, i emailed him about it 2 weeks ago |
| 21:28:47 | Patlabor221 | that would be a good plugin for the editor |
| 21:29:06 | sussudio | it's like 2 lines of code |
| 21:29:27 | sussudio | every time you see teleport inc(teleportercount)...... |
| 21:29:39 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it is very simple |
| 21:29:40 | sussudio | check highest To and From links |
| 21:29:59 | sussudio | multiply number of teleporters by 2, check if the highest link is higher than that |
| 21:30:02 | Patlabor221 | I meant a total map validity check plugin |
| 21:30:27 | sussudio | a teleporter inside box checker would be nice |
| 21:30:38 | Patlabor221 | could be done |
| 21:30:39 | sussudio | not sure how to check for that |
| 21:30:53 | Patlabor221 | bounding bok intersection checks |
| 21:31:03 | sussudio | yeah but not within my 40 lines of code |
| 21:31:29 | Patlabor221 | yes it would involve planes and matrix math. |
| 21:31:45 | sussudio | i guess you could just make an array of 400x400x400 |
| 21:32:09 | Patlabor221 | wouldn't be accurate to small things |
| 21:32:30 | Patlabor221 | and you would have to take rotated ones into account. |
| 21:32:58 | sussudio | or you could take the box around a teleporter and check the other way round |
| 21:34:32 | Patlabor221 | easyest thing would be to feed the bounding boxes into an existing collison library like coldet, and let it do the work :) |
| 21:34:33 | sussudio | ohwell. offtobed i go. |
| 21:35:10 | sussudio | i'll leave that up to someone else then |
| 21:56:39 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey everyone |
| 21:56:45 | SpacemanSpiff | I have a question |
| 22:04:43 | SpacemanSpiff | When you want to make a CTF map... how do you make the bases for the teams??? |
| 22:06:26 | Patlabor221 | are you doing it by hand or in an editor? |
| 22:08:22 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i said that? |
| 22:08:27 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm using the "BZ Editor" that runs on Java SDK.... but I can do it by hand if you tell me how |
| 22:08:33 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 22:08:43 | Patlabor221 | that one I don't know if it suports it |
| 22:08:50 | Patlabor221 | there is a "base" entity |
| 22:08:53 | Patlabor221 | it's like a box |
| 22:08:58 | Patlabor221 | but has a color field |
| 22:09:09 | Patlabor221 | 1-4 I think |
| 22:09:12 | SpacemanSpiff | I have BZ Edit too..... does that one have the option? |
| 22:09:22 | Patlabor221 | I know I put it in my windows one |
| 22:09:31 | Patlabor221 | and I think cap put it in the curren linux one |
| 22:09:58 | Patlabor221 | it's the icon that looks like 4 colered squares. |
| 22:10:00 | captain_proton | the java one doesn't support the base object |
| 22:10:12 | captain_proton | because the java one is about 5 years old :) |
| 22:10:14 | Patlabor221 | how incomplete |
| 22:10:39 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL... I kinda wondered.. it seems quite out-dated.. but I couldn't find any other one but BZ Edit.. does that support "bases"? |
| 22:10:59 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh.. it does |
| 22:10:59 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh.. it does |
| 22:11:11 | Patlabor221 | yeah all of the "real" ones should |
| 22:11:12 | SpacemanSpiff | But now I have another problem... how do you move objects in BZ Edit? |
| 22:11:20 | Patlabor221 | click on it |
| 22:11:37 | Patlabor221 | then type in it's new position in the "element inspector" |
| 22:11:51 | Patlabor221 | or select it from the list and do the same |
| 22:12:13 | SpacemanSpiff | Nouthing happens when I click on it |
| 22:13:14 | Patlabor221 | it should slelect |
| 22:13:29 | Patlabor221 | can you pick it from the list |
| 22:13:40 | Patlabor221 | don't try to drag the thing around the map, you can't do that yet |
| 22:14:40 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... found the right thing finally |
| 22:16:16 | SpacemanSpiff | How come the base turns white when I move it? |
| 22:16:37 | Patlabor221 | what version windows or linux? |
| 22:17:16 | SpacemanSpiff | Nevermind.. I'm dumb.. I wasn't selecting it properly.. was just making a block.. doh! LoL |
| 22:17:46 | SpacemanSpiff | Windows :-) |
| 22:18:20 | SpacemanSpiff | You guys will like fall over when you see this CTF map.. LoL! |
| 22:25:14 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm... someone asked me for the download link to BZ Edit.. and I can't find it. Do any of you guys know where it is? |
| 22:28:15 | Patlabor221 | windows or linux? |
| 22:28:15 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh.. finally found it |
| 22:28:29 | SpacemanSpiff | Windows |
| 22:28:34 | SpacemanSpiff | It's at http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BzEditw32 |
| 22:28:42 | SpacemanSpiff | Didn't think of lookin' on the "wiki" page |
| 22:28:49 | SpacemanSpiff | What is wiki anyway??? |
| 22:29:56 | Patlabor221 | how can it be there? |
| 22:30:25 | SpacemanSpiff | I have no clue... but it is |
| 22:30:33 | Patlabor221 | who the hell did that |
| 22:30:49 | Patlabor221 | looks way better then the page I made to post it |
| 22:30:52 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't know.... but it isn't posted there.. there's just a link to the download |
| 22:31:03 | Patlabor221 | I knoe |
| 22:31:08 | Patlabor221 | I host the download |
| 22:31:31 | Patlabor221 | must have been doug. |
| 22:31:32 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... I don't know anything about that.. hehe. I just know that that's how I found it |
| 22:32:15 | Patlabor221 | horible horible bug in LGE cap |
| 22:32:39 | SpacemanSpiff | Who made BZ Edit anyway? |
| 22:32:51 | Patlabor221 | I made the windows one |
| 22:32:59 | Patlabor221 | cap: make the linux one |
| 22:33:57 | SpacemanSpiff | Awesome... it's a very good program. I've never used it to build because, until now, I didn't understand how |
| 22:34:28 | Patlabor221 | actualy it needs a lot of work. |
| 22:34:56 | SpacemanSpiff | In what way?? |
| 22:35:17 | Patlabor221 | it's got some bugs |
| 22:35:36 | Patlabor221 | link definitions need to be improved. |
| 22:35:44 | Patlabor221 | and it needs groups and stuff |
| 22:35:51 | Patlabor221 | and real draging. |
| 22:36:39 | SpacemanSpiff | That would be cool :-) |
| 22:37:47 | Patlabor221 | least I just found the current code that compiles |
| 22:37:56 | Patlabor221 | but that wasn't to change it |
| 22:38:08 | Patlabor221 | just make it output a new format map |
| 22:39:56 | SpacemanSpiff | The .map files are smaller than the .bzw files, aren't they? |
| 22:40:31 | Patlabor221 | they should be exatly the same |
| 22:40:33 | Patlabor221 | they are text |
| 22:40:40 | Patlabor221 | I just don't comment the hell out of them |
| 22:41:07 | SpacemanSpiff | I c..... I wasn't sure what the difference was. |
| 22:45:30 | Patlabor221 | well they have to be the same or the game won't read them |
| 22:46:04 | SpacemanSpiff | I kinda figured that since you can write it all in wordpad |
| 22:47:18 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:50:55 | SpacemanSpiff | This new map rocks..... if it doesn't kill people's video cards too badly, it will be THE best "modern CTF map" |
| 22:51:11 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it's the card that it kills |
| 22:51:31 | Patlabor221 | it's the View cull on the CPU I think |
| 22:52:17 | Patlabor221 | that's one of the things I'm testing now |
| 22:52:55 | SpacemanSpiff | What does that mean??? (I'm still learning computer stuff) |
| 22:53:10 | Patlabor221 | BZ dosn't draw much |
| 22:53:35 | Patlabor221 | I think what is slowing it down is going through a HUGE number of objects to figure out what ones are visible |
| 22:53:41 | Patlabor221 | and that dosn't happen on the video card. |
| 22:53:52 | SpacemanSpiff | I c |
| 22:53:56 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't do any goruping |
| 22:53:58 | SpacemanSpiff | That would make sense |
| 22:54:03 | Patlabor221 | that would help it |
| 22:55:09 | Patlabor221 | or it could be the ligting calc |
| 22:55:16 | Patlabor221 | these are the things I have to see |
| 22:55:17 | MrName | anyone knows why I don't see anything in front of the tank on my ATI radeon card ? |
| 22:55:37 | Patlabor221 | are you set to 16 bit colur? |
| 22:56:01 | MrName | probably |
| 22:56:05 | MrName | is that a problem ? |
| 22:56:12 | Patlabor221 | a lot of ATI's screw there Z buffer in 16 bit |
| 22:56:18 | Patlabor221 | try going to 32 bit |
| 22:56:21 | MrName | thanks, I'll try that |
| 22:56:30 | Patlabor221 | then you seen to allways get a 32 bit z ubffer. |
| 22:57:41 | MrName | thanks, my laptop is the only one where I can play with decent graphics - for some reason nvidia drivers didn't like my system, so it sucks in graphic terms |
| 22:57:55 | Patlabor221 | windows or linux? |
| 22:58:41 | MrName | linux |
| 22:58:46 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 22:58:51 | Patlabor221 | well then I can't help you there |
| 22:59:16 | MrName | freezing the computer every 30 minutes is not acceptable for me, so don't worry |
| 22:59:20 | Patlabor221 | I had some issues geting the NVidia drivers installed in Red hat, but once they were in they worked fine. |
| 23:24:40 | SpacemanSpiff | How come when I launch my test.bat file on my pc to preview the CTF map.. it says "Dropping team base down to 0 because -fb not set"? |
| 23:26:26 | Patlabor221 | you need to tell the server that's its a CTF game |
| 23:26:33 | Patlabor221 | so it makes the Colored flags |
| 23:28:00 | SpacemanSpiff | My current bat file consists of this......... |
| 23:28:17 | SpacemanSpiff | bzfs -j -world Test |
| 23:28:31 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm testing it on my own pc.... is there a way to get flags into that? |
| 23:29:25 | Patlabor221 | add -fb like it says |
| 23:29:58 | SpacemanSpiff | Tried... it makes it do some funky stuff and then die |
| 23:30:08 | Patlabor221 | I'd make 3 bat files, 1 for FFA and 1 for CTF |
| 23:30:26 | Patlabor221 | check the help, there may be other options you need to do |
| 23:30:32 | Patlabor221 | I've never set up a CTF server |
| 23:31:01 | SpacemanSpiff | So far, I have all of my worlds organized so that they have their own .bat file on my pc.. that way I can show them to friends and stuff |
| 23:31:18 | SpacemanSpiff | What help file? |
| 23:31:23 | Patlabor221 | well the CTF ones will need difren optionbs |
| 23:31:29 | Patlabor221 | didn't say help file |
| 23:31:33 | Patlabor221 | bzfs --? |
| 23:31:45 | Patlabor221 | it will dump the command line options |
| 23:32:38 | SpacemanSpiff | It says to consult the help file... but the bzfs.bat doesn't do anything but open a blank dos window |
| 23:33:37 | Patlabor221 | ?!? |
| 23:33:42 | Patlabor221 | if you open a console |
| 23:33:59 | Patlabor221 | and just run bzfs --? that should dump the options |
| 23:34:51 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm lost.... all I did was double click bzfs.. it opened as nouthing but a DOS window |
| 23:35:23 | Patlabor221 | no no no |
| 23:35:31 | Patlabor221 | remember it's a command line app |
| 23:35:36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what was the horrible horrible bug? |
| 23:35:41 | Patlabor221 | one sec cap |
| 23:35:49 | Patlabor221 | what os you on spiff? |
| 23:36:05 | SpacemanSpiff | Windows ME (yeah yeah, don't tell me how bad it bites) |
| 23:36:08 | Patlabor221 | cap: had the near and far clips reversed when you came out of overlay mode. |
| 23:36:22 | Patlabor221 | spif: ok go to start menu and open |
| 23:36:24 | Patlabor221 | "programs |
| 23:36:31 | Patlabor221 | and find "ms dos propt" |
| 23:36:34 | Patlabor221 | then run that |
| 23:36:34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: eww |
| 23:36:45 | Patlabor221 | cap: yeah, big time |
| 23:36:55 | SpacemanSpiff | K.. I'm in the prompt |
| 23:37:13 | Patlabor221 | ok CD to the folder that has the server in it |
| 23:37:21 | Patlabor221 | then type bzfs --? |
| 23:37:46 | Patlabor221 | cap: wonders why my z buffer was hosed after I went into overlay. |
| 23:38:21 | Patlabor221 | cap: how do you fire up a CTF server? |
| 23:38:43 | SpacemanSpiff | When I type C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files\BZ Flag it says "bad command or file name" |
| 23:39:03 | Patlabor221 | this is why your OS sucks ass |
| 23:39:15 | Patlabor221 | do a DIR and find the short name |
| 23:39:25 | Patlabor221 | like Progra~1 or what ever it is |
| 23:39:42 | Patlabor221 | ME can't do spaces in the console |
| 23:40:11 | Patlabor221 | but actualy I don't see anything for CTF in there |
| 23:40:15 | Patlabor221 | so don't bother |
| 23:40:26 | Patlabor221 | just need to find someone who knos how. |
| 23:41:25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you gotta add '-c' on your command line for it to understand CTF |
| 23:41:43 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... but just for future reference... now I am in C:/Progra~1\BzFlag\BZFS..... now what? |
| 23:41:48 | Patlabor221 | spif thre you go |
| 23:42:05 | Patlabor221 | now you can type bzfs --? |
| 23:42:36 | SpacemanSpiff | All I have is a command prompt.. can't type or anything.. it just sets there |
| 23:42:47 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 23:42:56 | Patlabor221 | that makes no sene |
| 23:43:14 | Patlabor221 | how did you CD to that dir if you can't type? |
| 23:43:31 | SpacemanSpiff | The last line says C:/Progra~1\BzFlag\bzfs that's what I typed in |
| 23:43:41 | Patlabor221 | woah |
| 23:43:48 | Patlabor221 | allways use / no \ |
| 23:43:56 | SpacemanSpiff | I could type before... it worked fine.. but now, there's just the blinking line where the letters should appear |
| 23:44:00 | Patlabor221 | don't put in the bzfs |
| 23:44:05 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... okie |
| 23:44:10 | Patlabor221 | you don't know now to use dos do you? |
| 23:44:16 | Patlabor221 | cd C:/Progra~1\BzFlag |
| 23:44:21 | Patlabor221 | then bzfs --? |
| 23:44:32 | Patlabor221 | actualy C:\Progra~1\BzFlag |
| 23:44:36 | Patlabor221 | for the CD |
| 23:45:07 | SpacemanSpiff | When I enter C:\Progra~1\BzFlag it says "bad command or file name" |
| 23:45:37 | Patlabor221 | PUT CD infront of it |
| 23:45:46 | Patlabor221 | CD C:\Progra~1\BzFlag |
| 23:45:54 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... ok |
| 23:45:55 | Patlabor221 | CD is the command to change directorys |
| 23:46:05 | Patlabor221 | hence the C and the D |
| 23:46:06 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL.. didn't get that |
| 23:46:15 | Patlabor221 | that is why I said "CD to..." |
| 23:46:30 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... didn't know it had to be in the line though |
| 23:46:32 | SpacemanSpiff | Sorry |
| 23:46:48 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay.. got it |
| 23:47:27 | Patlabor221 | the game is heavaly unix based still so if you get into it, you do a lot with the command line |
| 23:49:34 | SpacemanSpiff | I c |
| 23:49:54 | SpacemanSpiff | Well... you did help me a lot with the command line.. I want to learn Java, but I was having tons of trouble with the Prompt |
| 23:50:05 | SpacemanSpiff | Didn't know that I had to use "CD" to change dir |
| 23:50:26 | Patlabor221 | it's just straight dos |
| 23:50:37 | Patlabor221 | and if you want to do anything real, please get rid of that OS |
| 23:50:43 | Patlabor221 | at least use 2000 |
| 23:51:41 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL... I know. But for now, I'm stuck with it.. it's my parents pc. When I have my own, I will probabily go to Linux... if not I might get 2000... I don't care for XP too much |
| 23:52:00 | Patlabor221 | XP is actualy more stable then 2k |
| 23:52:12 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to use that uggly ass theme they start you with. |
| 23:52:24 | SpacemanSpiff | Really? |
| 23:52:27 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 23:52:37 | SpacemanSpiff | My aunt has XP and I just HATE the user interface |
| 23:52:38 | Patlabor221 | just set it back to "windows classic" |
| 23:52:42 | Patlabor221 | change it |
| 23:52:42 | SpacemanSpiff | Awesome |
| 23:52:50 | SpacemanSpiff | I may consider XP then |
| 23:52:56 | Patlabor221 | hell mine looks like Mac OSX on my XP here. |
| 23:53:09 | SpacemanSpiff | Of course.. she has XP Home Addition... is that any different? |
| 23:55:54 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:56:05 | Patlabor221 | that just dosn't have the domain net stuff |
| 23:56:17 | Patlabor221 | and defaults to the welcome screen type login. |
| 23:57:16 | SpacemanSpiff | I c. That's tyte. I'm thinking of building my own pc.... I have this site.. it has GREAT hardware.. good generic brand stuff |
