| 01:53:44 | doughecka | woo its the MAN hiself! |
| 01:53:49 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 01:53:57 | doughecka | points |
| 01:54:11 | Patlabor221 | looks behind himself |
| 01:54:20 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 01:54:32 | Patlabor221 | my new case is puuuurrrrdddddyyyyy |
| 01:54:52 | doughecka | oh? |
| 01:54:53 | Patlabor221 | all metalic and charcoal grey |
| 01:54:58 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 01:55:02 | Patlabor221 | with a blowhole |
| 01:55:09 | doughecka | ah... |
| 01:55:09 | doughecka | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/18/1415211.shtml?tid=120 |
| 01:55:41 | Patlabor221 | yeah saw that on TV yesterday |
| 01:55:52 | doughecka | bah |
| 01:56:29 | doughecka | woo |
| 01:56:30 | doughecka | http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~wwl/cdzap.html |
| 01:57:00 | Patlabor221 | well it is aluminum |
| 01:57:13 | Patlabor221 | you need a telsa coil tho |
| 01:57:50 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:57:57 | Patlabor221 | anything conductive will do that on a Tesla coil |
| 01:58:01 | Patlabor221 | even you :) |
| 01:58:06 | doughecka | and you |
| 01:58:15 | Patlabor221 | no I'm superconducting |
| 01:58:38 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:01:45 | Patlabor221 | now I just need some form or dark keyboard. |
| 02:02:16 | Patlabor221 | and maybe dark mouse |
| 02:02:35 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:02:51 | doughecka | is away: gone |
| 02:03:59 | Patlabor221 | sure he is |
| 03:00:14 | | xsqcbrxs3-xe409xe4-29321hw9 |
| 03:00:14 | doughecka | ibot rot13 kfdpoekf3-kr409kr4-29321uj9 |
| 03:29:00 | captain_proton | returns |
| 03:35:32 | Patlabor221 | huzahhas |
| 03:35:38 | doughecka | yawns |
| 03:36:06 | Patlabor221 | prepares the Magical Mystery Tour. |
| 03:38:21 | Patlabor221 | it's amazing that they can get a USB and 100bT interfece into less then 2 square inches |
| 03:39:38 | captain_proton | silicon is nifty stuff |
| 03:40:50 | doughecka | is it USB 2? |
| 03:41:02 | doughecka | shrugs and wonders off to bed |
| 03:41:05 | doughecka | is away: bed |
| 03:43:05 | captain_proton | wonders off to bed... |
| 03:43:07 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:52:19 | Patlabor221 | sleep is for the weak |
| 06:54:23 | captain_proton | irony on a stick! |
| 06:54:36 | captain_proton | the libertarian candidtate for state treasurer has a masters degree in "taxation" |
| 06:56:15 | Widget | And one of the donators to GNU is "Microsoft Corporation". http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html#TOCSupporters |
| 08:15:39 | bomber | moin |
| 08:16:04 | bomber | pinguin: wie gehts? |
| 08:42:47 | Pinguin | hm ... naja |
| 08:43:17 | Pinguin | alle dioden schlecht ... 6 Stück sind halbwegs brauchbar ... |
| 08:45:51 | Widget | ? |
| 09:36:36 | prodan | exchanges the cmos in Pinguin's webcam with a Schottky diode. |
| 10:15:49 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:15:49 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 10:15:50 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 10:18:37 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:18:37 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 10:18:37 | bzbot | intrix (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 11:00:52 | akira_ | moin |
| 11:01:08 | bomber | moin akira |
| 12:41:39 | bzgirl | hello |
| 12:46:28 | Chestal | hi Angie |
| 12:46:49 | bzgirl | how did you like the 2 on 2? |
| 12:48:06 | Chestal | I think it was ok, should try it again with a more open map I think |
| 12:48:19 | bzgirl | yeah that one was nasty |
| 12:49:10 | bzgirl | when you run a server, with a random map, is there a way to save that map to a file? |
| 12:49:33 | Chestal | not that I know of |
| 13:20:24 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:20:24 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:20:25 | bzbot | bzgirl (R): 34 (91-57). prodan the comic insult penguin (R): 46 (110-64). MakosTeszta (G): -15 (26-41). nobody (G): -48 (15-63). michAL (G): -3 (1-4). |
| 13:32:59 | bomber | is away : coffee-brake |
| 13:40:35 | bzgirl | whats the modulename for the cvs 1.7e7? what do i put at the end of my cvs command? |
| 13:42:48 | prodan | waves to bzgirl |
| 13:43:09 | bzgirl | hi again prodan |
| 13:43:15 | prodan | hello |
| 13:45:27 | prodan | isnt cvs 1.8 |
| 13:45:49 | bzgirl | well, you can get older versions too i think |
| 13:46:02 | bzgirl | if you supply the right modulename |
| 13:46:16 | bzgirl | at leas i was under that impression |
| 13:46:35 | prodan | does look like it from the sourceforge cvs web interface |
| 13:51:11 | bomber | is back from cafeteria |
| 14:42:00 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:42:00 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 14:42:01 | bzbot | wrecked (G): -9 (14-23). prodan the comic insult penguin (R): 9 (17-8). bzgirl (G): 3 (9-6). MrCooper (R): 2 (10-8). Shingo (R): -6 (0-6). Riggs (G): -2 (7-9). HI (R): -3 (1-4). MakosTeszta (G): 1 (3-2). |
| 14:53:23 | Chestal | bzgirl: hmm -r v1_7 IIRC |
| 14:53:23 | bzgirl | ok, thanks Chestal |
| 15:53:10 | sussudio | i think i'm going to make a rock'n'barf 1.1 with a few modifcation |
| 15:53:24 | sussudio | to piss off potential laser campers |
| 15:53:55 | Wilinckx | campers? |
| 15:54:05 | sussudio | people who sit up there shooting through the teleport |
| 15:54:33 | sussudio | i think i'll make it reflect :-B |
| 15:54:58 | sussudio | or put one behind there |
| 15:55:03 | sussudio | should be fun |
| 15:56:49 | sussudio | oh yeah. wine in SID is broken, ofcourse it happened the week i was trying to use it. |
| 16:15:59 | bzgirl | hi |
| 16:18:16 | sussudio | lo. |
| 16:18:56 | bzgirl | sussudio: you use debian right? |
| 16:19:11 | sussudio | myeah |
| 16:19:19 | bzgirl | whats a good gui front for cdrecord? |
| 16:19:36 | sussudio | ummmmmmmmm |
| 16:20:09 | sussudio | gtoaster? |
| 16:20:27 | bzgirl | ok, its graphical right? |
| 16:20:28 | sussudio | for gnome |
| 16:20:33 | sussudio | cdbakeoven for kde |
| 16:20:54 | bzgirl | well, i use fluxbox, but i have gnome and kde installed |
| 16:21:03 | sussudio | there's only a few |
| 16:21:18 | sussudio | cdrtoaster is tcl/tk |
| 16:21:33 | sussudio | eroaster ? |
| 16:21:38 | sussudio | gcombust (gnome) |
| 16:22:06 | bzgirl | i will check all those out.. |
| 16:22:07 | bzgirl | thanks |
| 16:22:09 | sussudio | k |
| 16:46:58 | doug_school | there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who |
| 16:46:58 | doug_school | want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out |
| 16:54:46 | | lurgyman: sorry... |
| 16:54:46 | lurgyman | ibot country kr |
| 16:56:17 | sussudio | kr IS KOREA SOLDIAAAAH BOY |
| 16:57:15 | | OK, chsh[]. |
| 16:57:15 | chsh[] | ibot country kr is korea |
| 16:57:30 | sussudio | soldierboy. |
| 16:57:49 | chsh[] | bzgirl> x-cd-roast is a good GUI frontend for cdrecord as well |
| 16:58:24 | sussudio | bah cant even tell an op to go fuck himself without getting banned on #debian |
| 16:59:13 | bzgirl | chsh[]: ok, i got bakeoven installed right now, will look at x-cdroast too, after i go out and buy some cd's! |
| 16:59:40 | sussudio | bzgirl: you can beat up doug and take his lunchmoney to buy cds |
| 17:00:18 | bzgirl | sussudio: i dindnt notice you getting banned? just then? |
| 17:00:24 | sussudio | neh yesterday |
| 17:00:34 | bzgirl | i took all dougs money for the week |
| 17:00:36 | sussudio | channel founder unbanned me |
| 17:00:44 | | i think country .kr is south korea |
| 17:00:44 | doug_school | ibot country .kr |
| 17:02:24 | chsh[] | what's North Korea than? |
| 17:02:27 | chsh[] | *then |
| 17:02:38 | sussudio | kp i think |
| 17:02:41 | bzgirl | chsh[]: can x-cdroast let me add mp3's to a disc and automatically burn them so i can listen to the cd on my stereo? |
| 17:03:01 | chsh[] | yeah, north is the People's Republic of Korea or something now isn't it? |
| 17:03:15 | chsh[] | bzgirl> automagically? No, you'd need to install the wav converter |
| 17:03:22 | chsh[] | but then, that's just a guess |
| 17:03:31 | chsh[] | I use an old version of it because I only ever use my burner for data |
| 17:03:49 | bzgirl | what like backups? |
| 17:04:02 | bzgirl | hmmm |
| 17:04:17 | chsh[] | yep |
| 17:04:18 | chsh[] | pretty much |
| 17:04:29 | chsh[] | backups, or burning copies of linux or various application sets |
| 17:04:32 | chsh[] | things of that nature |
| 17:12:18 | doug_school | hey Patlabor221 |
| 17:16:14 | Perfect_Why_the_ | everytime i press on the receive mails button on Microsoft Outlook Express, i get disconnected from my provider, im sick of this it just started yesterday, i did nothing |
| 17:22:07 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:22:27 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you are flooding? |
| 17:25:08 | Perfect_Why_the_ | what |
| 17:28:08 | doug_school | barfs |
| 17:32:21 | sussudio | makes doug a herring and mayo sandwich |
| 17:33:25 | doug_school | barfs |
| 17:33:48 | sussudio | makes doug a herring and mayo barf salad |
| 17:35:03 | doug_school | barfs |
| 17:35:30 | sussudio | ducts tapes doug's mouth shut |
| 17:35:47 | sussudio | shows doug videos of oprah and barry white having hot rhino sex |
| 17:36:10 | doug_school | gags |
| 17:36:50 | sussudio | yay |
| 17:39:15 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:39:22 | sussudio | penguin-shaped tower case |
| 17:40:48 | doug_school | oh? |
| 17:40:50 | doug_school | where? |
| 17:40:54 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-21 16:50:48 | The Free State Project | Ask 'Junkyard Wars Diva' Cathy Rogers | Asynchronous Logic: Ready For It? | Linux 3.0 |
| 17:40:54 | doug_school | ibot slashdot |
| 17:41:01 | sussudio | someone's trying to sell it for 75 dollah |
| 17:41:46 | sussudio | has a pc shaped tower |
| 17:42:04 | doug_school | ah |
| 17:42:07 | Perfect_Why_the_ | hallo |
| 17:42:12 | doug_school | has a pc shaped tower too |
| 17:43:34 | doug_school | ibot x de en hallo |
| 17:43:41 | | doug_school: hello |
| 17:43:48 | doug_school | ah, hi |
| 17:45:37 | sussudio | ibot x en de oprah and barry making hot monkey love while doug watches |
| 17:45:44 | | sussudio: oprah und barry bildender heißer Affe lieben während doug Bewachungen |
| 17:46:21 | | i don't know, chestal |
| 17:46:21 | Chestal | ibot: don't use UTF-8, please |
| 17:46:39 | sussudio | previously on fartscape |
| 17:47:20 | sussudio | lalala |
| 17:47:47 | sussudio | scorpius eat dougs with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 18:10:44 | bzgirl | hi Sniper50 |
| 18:10:58 | Sniper50 | Hi teammi |
| 18:11:07 | bzgirl | i saw bamf this morning |
| 18:11:12 | bzgirl | and m1 just then |
| 18:11:27 | bzgirl | match on saturday now.. |
| 18:11:33 | bzgirl | you arund? |
| 18:11:39 | Sniper50 | i cant play |
| 18:11:50 | bzgirl | aww |
| 18:11:57 | bzgirl | neither can m1 |
| 18:12:04 | Chestal | match against which team? |
| 18:12:19 | bzgirl | the procraters |
| 18:12:47 | bzgirl | procrastonators |
| 18:13:06 | doug_school | lololololololololololololololol |
| 18:13:21 | | lol is probably a acronym that stands for Laugh Out Loud. Go to http://mankindvsme.50megs.com/windowsfan.html for more information. |
| 18:13:21 | doug_school | ibot lol |
| 18:16:55 | | well, dvd is (Digital Variable/Versatile/Video Disc) Much like a CD-ROM except that it stores up to 12 times as much and is re-writeable. Although the industry claims that DVD really stands for NOTHING, I think otherwise. DVD is the successor to CD-ROM technology. It's the same size, but holds between 4.7 => 18 GB of data. The first wave of DVD drives will be read-only devices, but future versions will work with rewriteable media. The drives are finally starting to come out now, and in the consumer market they will eventually replace VCRs and Laserdisc players. |
| 18:16:55 | doug_school | ibot dvd |
| 18:18:45 | Chestal | rewritable? hmm |
| 18:18:50 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 18:18:58 | Chestal | well, thre are rewritables ok |
| 18:19:02 | Patlabor221 | I am thinking about geting a DVD-rw |
| 18:19:07 | Chestal | but tha's not a difference to CDs |
| 18:19:49 | doug_school | oh? |
| 18:20:14 | doug_school | then fix it |
| 18:21:20 | doug_school | . |
| 18:22:01 | Patlabor221 | I need to see if my DVD player will read a Data DVD full of MP3s and Mpegs |
| 18:22:20 | doug_school | slick |
| 18:22:31 | Patlabor221 | it reads CDRs full of them |
| 18:22:34 | doug_school | divxs? |
| 18:22:37 | doug_school | :P |
| 18:22:38 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:22:41 | Patlabor221 | MPegs |
| 18:23:00 | Patlabor221 | I think it will play MPeg 2's tho |
| 18:23:13 | doug_school | cool |
| 18:23:24 | doug_school | well, aint DVDs mpg2? |
| 18:23:28 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:23:38 | Patlabor221 | it'll read GIF's and Jpegs too |
| 18:23:44 | doug_school | COOL! |
| 18:23:49 | Patlabor221 | it's rather cool for a $50 DVD player |
| 18:23:57 | doug_school | where did ya get it??? |
| 18:24:01 | doug_school | I want one |
| 18:24:03 | Patlabor221 | best buy |
| 18:24:04 | doug_school | :) |
| 18:24:14 | doug_school | ahhh |
| 18:24:20 | Patlabor221 | walked in and grabed it |
| 18:24:25 | doug_school | eh? |
| 18:25:03 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't special it was just there cheapest DVD |
| 18:25:13 | doug_school | whats it called? |
| 18:25:14 | doug_school | og |
| 18:25:15 | doug_school | oh |
| 18:25:23 | Patlabor221 | minitech I think |
| 18:25:28 | doug_school | k |
| 18:25:30 | Patlabor221 | I've also seen it go by the name apex |
| 18:25:44 | doug_school | ah |
| 18:26:38 | doug_school | is away: lunch |
| 18:26:59 | Perfect_Why_the_ | ok, i can now do arbitrary grouping and hierachie linking of nodes, transforming them , i could try to include bzflag primitives |
| 18:27:11 | Perfect_Why_the_ | now |
| 18:27:15 | Patlabor221 | bz dosn't do groups |
| 18:27:22 | Patlabor221 | nor heirachys |
| 18:27:33 | Patlabor221 | at least not in it's map format |
| 18:27:33 | Perfect_Why_the_ | bu my editor does |
| 18:27:37 | Patlabor221 | but BZ dosn't |
| 18:27:39 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i know |
| 18:27:45 | Perfect_Why_the_ | arrrg |
| 18:27:57 | Patlabor221 | it realy is just 3 prims |
| 18:27:57 | Perfect_Why_the_ | but u can make editing faster |
| 18:28:06 | Patlabor221 | and they are all parametric |
| 18:28:07 | Perfect_Why_the_ | thats what i meant |
| 18:28:11 | Patlabor221 | and you have to handle the links |
| 18:28:21 | Patlabor221 | that's a non graphic entity |
| 18:28:22 | Perfect_Why_the_ | of the teleporter |
| 18:28:30 | Patlabor221 | well there is the leporter |
| 18:28:32 | Patlabor221 | and the link |
| 18:28:42 | Patlabor221 | they are seperate objects in the map file. |
| 18:28:51 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i saw that right |
| 18:28:52 | Patlabor221 | you can have TP's with out links |
| 18:29:05 | Patlabor221 | if you just want them to sit around an look prety |
| 18:29:13 | Perfect_Why_the_ | ok |
| 18:30:29 | Patlabor221 | just make sure you transform them back to world coords before you write the map |
| 18:30:40 | Perfect_Why_the_ | of coz |
| 18:31:03 | Perfect_Why_the_ | they actually are all in world coordinates, even linked objects :) |
| 18:31:22 | Patlabor221 | then how do you define the heirarchy? |
| 18:31:38 | Perfect_Why_the_ | its superclever matrix mult design :) |
| 18:31:57 | Patlabor221 | you apply the transform to each child? |
| 18:32:14 | Perfect_Why_the_ | no, i dont |
| 18:32:16 | Patlabor221 | or do you stack the maxtixes? |
| 18:32:32 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i applay no transform, cause it already is in world coords |
| 18:32:40 | Perfect_Why_the_ | no stack :) |
| 18:32:45 | Patlabor221 | but what about when you move an objet? |
| 18:32:55 | Patlabor221 | and it's children have to move? |
| 18:33:10 | Patlabor221 | you must then apply the same transfrom to each of the children |
| 18:33:15 | Perfect_Why_the_ | yes then i transform them all in world space |
| 18:33:46 | Patlabor221 | your just saving the state of the stack |
| 18:33:50 | Patlabor221 | with each object |
| 18:33:59 | Patlabor221 | makes incremental editing harder |
| 18:34:03 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i dont use objects, |
| 18:34:09 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i u use nodes |
| 18:34:16 | Patlabor221 | what are the nodes? |
| 18:34:24 | Perfect_Why_the_ | and every node has a node transform + offset transform |
| 18:34:33 | Patlabor221 | colections of faces? |
| 18:34:37 | Perfect_Why_the_ | the nodes have a reference to an object |
| 18:34:43 | Patlabor221 | so you are using objects |
| 18:34:49 | Patlabor221 | you just have them in a tree |
| 18:35:02 | Perfect_Why_the_ | the object is completly in its local coordinates and does not care about transformations |
| 18:35:09 | Patlabor221 | yes of course |
| 18:35:18 | Perfect_Why_the_ | yes a scene that holdsa tree of nodes :) |
| 18:35:26 | Patlabor221 | so your doing your own matrix mulls? |
| 18:35:31 | Perfect_Why_the_ | sure |
| 18:35:35 | Patlabor221 | not using the GL matrix stack |
| 18:35:41 | Perfect_Why_the_ | no |
| 18:35:50 | Patlabor221 | so your not taking advantige or hardware |
| 18:35:55 | Patlabor221 | that kinda sucks |
| 18:35:55 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i do |
| 18:36:04 | Patlabor221 | the hardware can do the mulls for you |
| 18:36:08 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i use glPushMatrix and glPopMatrix |
| 18:36:10 | Patlabor221 | sometimes faster then the CPU |
| 18:36:24 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i dont transform the geometry |
| 18:36:28 | Perfect_Why_the_ | the hardware does |
| 18:36:34 | Patlabor221 | so you are using GL for the mulls |
| 18:36:38 | Perfect_Why_the_ | but i have no matrix stack |
| 18:36:49 | Perfect_Why_the_ | cause i do not use relative coordinates |
| 18:36:49 | Patlabor221 | push and pop are the stack |
| 18:37:01 | Perfect_Why_the_ | but only one layer stack :) |
| 18:37:04 | Perfect_Why_the_ | depth = 1 |
| 18:37:16 | Perfect_Why_the_ | just to save the view matrix |
| 18:37:17 | Patlabor221 | do you call gl_mullmatrix? |
| 18:37:21 | Perfect_Why_the_ | no |
| 18:37:35 | Patlabor221 | so then when you need to multiply a matrix the CPU has to do it |
| 18:37:40 | Perfect_Why_the_ | wait yes i do |
| 18:37:41 | Patlabor221 | then you arn't using the matrix hardware |
| 18:37:51 | Patlabor221 | hell not even the SMD stuff on the CPU |
| 18:37:52 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i call glMultMatrix |
| 18:37:57 | Patlabor221 | bah |
| 18:38:23 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i use hardware |
| 18:38:28 | Patlabor221 | why not use the matrix stack? |
| 18:38:33 | Patlabor221 | less multiplys |
| 18:38:42 | Perfect_Why_the_ | no |
| 18:38:57 | Patlabor221 | if you have a node with childern |
| 18:39:04 | Patlabor221 | and it's a child of another |
| 18:39:05 | doughecka | Patlabor221: http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11099596&m=1&cat=32&scat=244 |
| 18:39:23 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i cannot talk with u about this, cause u dont know my architecture, so we are talking about different things, i believe |
| 18:39:38 | Patlabor221 | well show us the thing then |
| 18:39:46 | Patlabor221 | ye doug that's it. |
| 18:39:50 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:40:26 | doughecka | 56 bucks online... |
| 18:40:30 | Perfect_Why_the_ | very soon just let me build in the bzflag primitives, because curently it only can load stl files |
| 18:40:32 | Patlabor221 | ther you go then |
| 18:40:41 | doughecka | is the store the same prices as online bestbuy? |
| 18:40:47 | Patlabor221 | what do you output |
| 18:40:52 | Patlabor221 | they are suposed to be doug? |
| 18:41:09 | Patlabor221 | I may have got it on sale |
| 18:41:10 | Perfect_Why_the_ | nothing |
| 18:41:12 | Patlabor221 | I don't remember |
| 18:41:14 | Perfect_Why_the_ | yet |
| 18:41:17 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 18:41:26 | doughecka | hrm somepeopl have diferent prices online than in store... |
| 18:41:30 | Patlabor221 | so basilcly ti's a fiewer |
| 18:41:32 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 18:41:34 | doughecka | is away: lunch |
| 18:41:45 | Patlabor221 | cell: how do you plan on handaling output? |
| 18:41:58 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i make my own format |
| 18:42:10 | Perfect_Why_the_ | in xml i quess |
| 18:42:24 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 18:42:37 | Patlabor221 | why does everyone insit on puting EVERYthing in XML |
| 18:42:55 | Patlabor221 | so what is the point of ading the BZ ents if you won't make a BZ map? |
| 18:45:12 | Cell_prog_insect | Patlabor221:i can write a saver in a hour |
| 18:45:46 | Cell_prog_insect | but did not need that until now |
| 18:46:59 | Cell_prog_insect | currently i load some stl files move them around group them, link them move them around, and look if everything works like expected |
| 18:47:54 | Cell_prog_insect | i also need to my an active construction grid |
| 18:48:20 | Cell_prog_insect | currently i have only a static grid |
| 18:48:56 | Cell_prog_insect | also need to make a snap to grid class |
| 18:49:13 | Cell_prog_insect | thats planned next |
| 18:57:15 | Patlabor221 | I'd still love to see what you have now |
| 19:06:03 | doughecka | burps |
| 19:06:19 | doughecka | how do I register my motherboard and cpu.. |
| 19:06:51 | sussudio | send me 10 DOLLAH |
| 19:06:57 | doughecka | riiight |
| 19:07:01 | sussudio | yes |
| 19:07:15 | sussudio | penguin mental institution |
| 19:07:18 | sussudio | squeek squeek 15 |
| 19:07:20 | sussudio | c/o sussudio |
| 19:07:25 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:07:51 | | doughecka: sorry... |
| 19:07:51 | doughecka | ibot barf |
| 19:08:07 | doughecka | is away |
| 19:11:36 | bzgirl | hey Patlabor221, do you know the modulename for 1.7e7, the part at the end of my cvs comand? Chestal said it might be -r v1_7, but that dosent seem to work |
| 19:12:46 | Chestal | bzgirl: module name is bzflag |
| 19:13:06 | Chestal | bzgirl: cvs co ... -r v1_7 bzflag IIRC |
| 19:17:23 | bzgirl | Chestal: 1525]angelina@phoenix:~/1.7e7]$ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 cvs [checkout aborted]: must specify at least one module or directory |
| 19:18:34 | Chestal | bzgirl: yes, add 'bzflag' as module name at the end |
| 19:18:46 | bzgirl | oops... |
| 19:18:46 | bzgirl | ok |
| 19:20:14 | bzgirl | Chestal: ok thanks, and now i apply akira's patch before comiling it right? |
| 19:20:51 | Chestal | hmm, yes, but I think there have been changes to CVS code lately, so patch might break |
| 19:21:03 | bzgirl | oh dear |
| 19:37:53 | BZFlag | what does "akira's patch" do? |
| 19:37:56 | prodan | bzgirl: can you tell me iff akira patched cvs compiles, ive never got round to doing it (but am unhappy with e6 radar). |
| 19:38:12 | prodan | BZFflag: change radar style |
| 19:38:47 | bzgirl | it dosent seem to work now.. |
| 19:38:47 | BZFlag | ah. cvs now has the config settable opacity for radar and msg area. that change might break older patches. |
| 19:38:49 | prodan | e6 radar gives hard to see shots depending on background |
| 19:39:02 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, the patch in question does much more |
| 19:39:07 | prodan | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 19:39:10 | Chestal | it also includes the opacity settinfs |
| 19:39:37 | BZFlag | nods |
| 19:39:45 | prodan | how do you make a pitch black background of radar? |
| 19:39:57 | BZFlag | opacity 1.0 in your config. |
| 19:40:00 | prodan | twiddles his thumbs |
| 19:40:05 | prodan | merci |
| 19:40:09 | BZFlag | not in e6 though, just current cvs. |
| 19:41:09 | prodan | sprains a thumb. |
| 19:41:24 | BZFlag | ouch |
| 19:42:49 | captain_proton | any news on 1.7? |
| 19:43:17 | prodan | BZFLag: opac 1.0: does it give just shots and edge lines of buildings and tanks? |
| 19:44:37 | bzgirl | BZFlag: that works great! |
| 19:45:53 | prodan | bzgirl: can you give me your cvs cmd line you used? |
| 19:46:43 | captain_proton | prodan: to check out 1.7? |
| 19:46:53 | bzgirl | its for e7 ok? |
| 19:47:04 | prodan | yep |
| 19:47:20 | captain_proton | prodan: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 19:47:47 | bzgirl | thats it |
| 19:47:53 | prodan | thx |
| 19:50:24 | BZFlag | prodan: huh? all it does it the background for radar and msg areas. |
| 19:51:19 | prodan | hmm, dont bother my question was imprecise. |
| 19:51:30 | bzgirl | it does help to see the red bullets |
| 20:01:27 | Patlabor221 | is sceeeming... this is his sceeeming face.. first he raises this eyebrow..then the other one....hmmmmm |
| 20:01:44 | captain_proton | sup Patlabor221 |
| 20:01:51 | Patlabor221 | how goes it |
| 20:03:02 | captain_proton | fine, fine |
| 20:08:54 | doughecka | grins |
| 20:09:28 | prodan | tapes doughecka's lower lip to his nose. |
| 20:09:39 | doughecka | still grins |
| 20:10:02 | prodan | tapes doughecka's cheeks to his shoulders. |
| 20:10:11 | doughecka | shrugs |
| 20:10:35 | prodan | laughs as doug goes |
| 20:10:53 | prodan | laughs as doug goes :-) :-( |
| 20:11:04 | doughecka | grins |
| 20:11:19 | BZFlag | ibot bzflist |
| 20:11:19 | | BZFlag: bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(6) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(6) bzflag.freebsdtips.com:6666(2) |
| 20:11:55 | doughecka | digital audio out hooks up to 5.1 suround sound system? |
| 20:12:15 | Chestal | BZFlag: bzfls back to normal? |
| 20:12:35 | BZFlag | Chestal: should be. dns trouble has been resolved. |
| 20:12:58 | captain_proton | doughecka: either 5.1, or prologic, or something else |
| 20:13:06 | Chestal | hmm, there used to be an URL in the topic where we could vote for bzflag, some poll of a computer magazine. Anyone remember? |
| 20:13:22 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm i think its on the wiki, lemme look |
| 20:13:28 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:13:34 | BZFlag | on the links page in the wiki. |
| 20:13:56 | captain_proton | on the front page of the wiki :) |
| 20:14:02 | captain_proton | linuxjournal, survey is closed though |
| 20:14:13 | Chestal | yes, I'm intersted in the results |
| 20:14:18 | captain_proton | results will be out in the nov. issue, not sure if thats out yet |
| 20:14:24 | doughecka | humph |
| 20:14:34 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yeah, and tuxracer won over bzflag. humph |
| 20:14:38 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:14:50 | captain_proton | results are out? |
| 20:15:03 | doughecka | tuxracer is race car? |
| 20:15:11 | bzgirl | tux racer is pretty cool, but you cant blow the little guy up |
| 20:15:22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:15:25 | BZFlag | I read em on the web. /me opens he actual nov issue and checks there... |
| 20:15:36 | Chestal | real penguins are nice, but this Linux penguin makes me aggressive |
| 20:15:41 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:15:44 | Chestal | I want to cause harm to him |
| 20:15:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag: where on the web? |
| 20:15:52 | captain_proton | or do you have to be a subscriber |
| 20:15:56 | captain_proton | Chestal: i agree |
| 20:15:58 | doughecka | oooh, cool!!! http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/02q4/021021/index.html |
| 20:16:02 | BZFlag | game: quake3, tuxracer, freeciv. |
| 20:16:08 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:18:23 | doughecka | finds it funny that the windows port of tuxracer is a smaller download than linux version |
| 20:20:34 | BZFlag | nope, can't find the 2002 reader's choice results on the web at the moment. |
| 20:20:58 | captain_proton | bah, quake3 |
| 20:21:01 | captain_proton | what a crock |
| 20:22:54 | BZFlag | and quake3 and tuxracer are both non-free now. |
| 20:23:01 | captain_proton | yeah :P |
| 20:23:06 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:23:08 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:23:09 | BZFlag | at least freeciv is free. ;-) |
| 20:23:18 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:23:23 | doughecka | and bzflag 2005 |
| 20:23:27 | doughecka | dcks |
| 20:23:36 | BZFlag | shrugs |
| 20:23:39 | captain_proton | bzflag has gotten boring :( |
| 20:23:47 | doughecka | BORING!!???!?!?! |
| 20:23:54 | captain_proton | doughecka: yes, boring |
| 20:23:55 | BZFlag | programming or playing? ;-) |
| 20:24:05 | doughecka | you had to ask? |
| 20:24:12 | captain_proton | BZFlag: playing, programming is just frustrating because i was the only one doing anything |
| 20:24:23 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:24:25 | BZFlag | nods |
| 20:28:02 | BZFlag | lj article claims almost 1000 voters and then goes on to say that openoffice had 2000 votes more than star office. |
| 20:28:19 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:28:50 | MrName | BZFlag: url ? |
| 20:29:03 | doughecka | MrName speaks! |
| 20:30:00 | MrName | doughecka: and sometimes I even write... :) |
| 20:30:14 | doughecka | oooh |
| 20:30:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: heh |
| 20:31:46 | BZFlag | MrName: no url. reading the printed version now. |
| 20:33:36 | MrName | BZFlag: which issue - I think I didn't read that article... |
| 20:34:33 | prodan | is disappointed that chestal doesnt like linux penguins. |
| 20:34:44 | captain_proton | MrName: nov. |
| 20:34:56 | Chestal | proan: they make good targets |
| 20:35:31 | prodan | hmm, why do you always miss then. |
| 20:36:04 | Patlabor221 | man do I hate meetings some times. |
| 20:36:14 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:36:57 | MrName | captain_proton: tnx |
| 20:38:34 | Patlabor221 | now back to the sceeeming. |
| 20:39:04 | prodan | notices that his 300 baud acoustic coupler has finally downloaded bzflag cvs. |
| 20:39:32 | Patlabor221 | damn I can't get to CVS here, for colisions what is the BZ tank represented as? a box? or a Cylinder? |
| 20:39:40 | Patlabor221 | acustic? |
| 20:39:41 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 20:39:47 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: in 1.7? a rectangle |
| 20:39:54 | Patlabor221 | with the velcro headset strap and all? |
| 20:39:57 | Patlabor221 | what about 1.8? |
| 20:40:22 | captain_proton | 1.8 cvs does the same as 1.7, crs had some code that did full rigid-body collisions but it was buggy |
| 20:40:31 | captain_proton | and i don't have the expertise to fix his bugs :) |
| 20:40:38 | Patlabor221 | nor do I |
| 20:41:04 | doug_outdoors | I love wireless |
| 20:41:05 | Patlabor221 | hmmm now how would you make that rectangle fall off a cylinder |
| 20:41:35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the rectangle -has- to go |
| 20:41:45 | Patlabor221 | what would you sugest? |
| 20:41:48 | Patlabor221 | the geo? |
| 20:41:50 | captain_proton | its a bad thing when tanks can drive through buildings that are 0.001 units off the ground |
| 20:41:55 | captain_proton | well, i like crs' idea |
| 20:42:08 | Patlabor221 | well that's an implemenation issues there |
| 20:42:08 | captain_proton | do geo, but have the collision bodies be separate from the visual geometry |
| 20:42:20 | Patlabor221 | so simplified colison geo |
| 20:42:24 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 20:42:32 | doug_outdoors | gives up trying to read the display in daylight |
| 20:42:36 | captain_proton | or if the mapmaker is clever, collision geo w/o visual geo :) |
| 20:42:58 | Patlabor221 | would you allow anguar collision responces? |
| 20:43:06 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: explain? |
| 20:43:17 | Patlabor221 | if you drive off a building |
| 20:43:29 | Patlabor221 | does the front fall first and the tank flip? |
| 20:43:35 | doug_outdoors | yea!!! |
| 20:43:37 | doug_outdoors | yes! |
| 20:43:44 | Patlabor221 | there are issues with that |
| 20:43:46 | captain_proton | i'd like to see that but i have a feeling riker doesn't |
| 20:43:53 | Patlabor221 | it would get harry |
| 20:44:00 | captain_proton | it probably just makes sense to always make the tank fall on its ass |
| 20:44:00 | Patlabor221 | like geting stuck upside down |
| 20:44:02 | Perfect_Why_the_ | it would not cut out the cake |
| 20:44:02 | doug_outdoors | yea, but it would be cool |
| 20:44:17 | Patlabor221 | cool does not mean playable |
| 20:44:20 | Patlabor221 | or fun |
| 20:44:28 | captain_proton | though one thing i'd like to see is have it align the tank bottom to gravity |
| 20:44:35 | Patlabor221 | so it's allways level? |
| 20:44:46 | Patlabor221 | then how do you do ramps? |
| 20:44:51 | captain_proton | so you could have a hacked server set a gravity vector for each tank depending on its position, allowing play within a cube |
| 20:44:54 | prodan | suggests doug use a zaurus for outdoor wifi irc. |
| 20:45:11 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: same way pyramids look now - its a bit ugly, but it would do wonders for gameplay |
| 20:45:14 | Patlabor221 | right now it seems that the physiscs acts on a single point |
| 20:45:36 | captain_proton | actually |
| 20:45:38 | Patlabor221 | so you go up the ramp, and stay flat to the grav vector |
| 20:45:39 | captain_proton | oh BZFlag... |
| 20:46:01 | doug_outdoors | ick |
| 20:46:03 | doug_outdoors | zaurus? |
| 20:46:05 | doug_outdoors | bleh |
| 20:46:11 | Patlabor221 | you would stick thru the front of the ramp and hang off the ass end. |
| 20:46:12 | captain_proton | BZFlag: would tipping tanks be ok if after falling on your side or your top the tank flips back normal-to-gravity? |
| 20:46:24 | doug_outdoors | whoah? play inside a cube? |
| 20:46:32 | Patlabor221 | or a torus |
| 20:46:35 | captain_proton | 'cause then if you were clever you could tip off a building and shoot people on the ground :) |
| 20:46:55 | Patlabor221 | how about elastic colisions? |
| 20:46:55 | doug_outdoors | why not play inside a sphere? |
| 20:47:01 | Patlabor221 | right now it's just hit and stop |
| 20:47:07 | doug_outdoors | yea |
| 20:47:11 | Perfect_Why_the_ | why not make the tank a sphere |
| 20:47:12 | doug_outdoors | like spector |
| 20:47:13 | Patlabor221 | F=MA |
| 20:47:14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: elastic collsions on the tank or on the entire world? |
| 20:47:18 | Perfect_Why_the_ | for collision |
| 20:47:24 | Patlabor221 | at least the tank |
| 20:47:25 | captain_proton | because if you do elastic geo, its a LOT more complicated |
| 20:47:27 | doug_outdoors | will 1.8 have moving objects? |
| 20:47:32 | doug_outdoors | like elevators and stuff? |
| 20:47:33 | Patlabor221 | tank world and tank tank |
| 20:47:41 | doug_outdoors | would be nice... |
| 20:47:42 | doug_outdoors | :) |
| 20:47:45 | Patlabor221 | I am not talking about 1.8 :) |
| 20:47:49 | doug_outdoors | oh? |
| 20:47:52 | doug_outdoors | bah |
| 20:47:53 | captain_proton | doug_outdoors: probably scripted moving objects (if anybody implements), tank-movable objects aren't likely |
| 20:47:58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: wtf are you talking about then? |
| 20:48:02 | doug_outdoors | slick |
| 20:48:15 | Patlabor221 | looks around and wisssles. |
| 20:48:33 | doug_outdoors | is away: too bright outside |
| 20:48:55 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i would just delete all the code in cvs and start from the start :) |
| 20:49:03 | doug_outdoors | woo |
| 20:49:04 | doug_outdoors | yea |
| 20:49:05 | Patlabor221 | bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 20:49:05 | doug_outdoors | :) |
| 20:49:37 | doug_outdoors | hmm |
| 20:49:42 | doug_outdoors | still getting wireless sync out here |
| 20:49:48 | doug_outdoors | wonders how far it can go |
| 20:49:51 | Patlabor221 | I still wory that full 3space colisions would lead to geting stuck in places |
| 20:49:58 | Patlabor221 | and would be anoying |
| 20:50:11 | doug_outdoors | hmm |
| 20:50:19 | doug_outdoors | then make a unjammer |
| 20:50:26 | Patlabor221 | a cylindrincal volume for the avitar would make play easyer. |
| 20:50:38 | Patlabor221 | since you could just slide around stuff |
| 20:50:51 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i would take the collision detection from paul netle, where a tank can be an ellipsoid, how often did i said that |
| 20:51:13 | Patlabor221 | unless you went to a 3rd person persective and oculd see the butt of the tank |
| 20:51:16 | doug_outdoors | is away: toooo bright |
| 20:51:21 | Perfect_Why_the_ | it has perfect sliding |
| 20:51:30 | Patlabor221 | an elipsoid or losnege would be similar |
| 20:51:41 | Patlabor221 | but a cylinder would work as well |
| 20:51:46 | Patlabor221 | and not let the tank tip |
| 20:52:03 | Patlabor221 | BZ gameplay is decidely 2D |
| 20:52:17 | Patlabor221 | well 2.5D realy |
| 20:52:18 | Perfect_Why_the_ | slide plane is polygon plane or if we hit an edge or corner the elipsoid tanget plane at contact point |
| 20:52:51 | Patlabor221 | so would a cyinder in a 2.5 d case |
| 20:53:26 | prodan | falls asleep. |
| 20:53:30 | Perfect_Why_the_ | and the cool thing u can scale the world geometry so that the elipsoid(defined by 3 radii) gets a unit sphere |
| 20:53:34 | Patlabor221 | whoot 1 down |
| 20:54:00 | Patlabor221 | but it's overkill for the system that BZ implements with it's physics |
| 20:54:08 | Perfect_Why_the_ | so u in reality test polygons aginst unit sphere, its damn easy |
| 20:54:26 | Patlabor221 | same with a cylinder |
| 20:54:34 | Patlabor221 | and then it's just a rad test |
| 20:55:16 | Perfect_Why_the_ | yes, but a cylinder has problems to go ramps or stairs or over small objects, where a sphere or ellipsoid slides over those obstacles naturally |
| 20:55:47 | Perfect_Why_the_ | due to the mathematical C0 continuity of sphere |
| 20:56:00 | Perfect_Why_the_ | sorry caylinder |
| 20:56:07 | Perfect_Why_the_ | cylinder |
| 20:56:19 | BZFlag | reads.... |
| 20:56:46 | BZFlag | yes. bz is 2.5d and shold remain such. |
| 20:56:53 | Patlabor221 | there are other problems with ramps |
| 20:56:58 | BZFlag | no tank tipping. |
| 20:57:04 | Patlabor221 | wnat about ramps? |
| 20:57:18 | BZFlag | if the tanks don't tip, then ramps are fine. |
| 20:57:19 | Perfect_Why_the_ | of coz no tank tipping |
| 20:57:21 | Patlabor221 | would they go up paralell to the ground vector? |
| 20:57:25 | BZFlag | it would look funny though. |
| 20:57:29 | captain_proton | BZFlag: then it looks -awful- |
| 20:57:29 | Patlabor221 | that it would |
| 20:57:35 | Perfect_Why_the_ | my tanks go ramps and dont tipp |
| 20:57:37 | Patlabor221 | stairs :) |
| 20:57:53 | captain_proton | tanks on steep pyramids look rediculous right now |
| 20:58:04 | Perfect_Why_the_ | not that much |
| 20:58:08 | BZFlag | tanks can now sit on pyramids. they look funny there too. |
| 20:58:09 | captain_proton | hanging on by the barrel |
| 20:58:18 | BZFlag | this is not reality. it's BZFlag. |
| 20:58:27 | Patlabor221 | it may be posible to move the contact point |
| 20:58:42 | Patlabor221 | tward the direction of collison |
| 20:58:51 | Patlabor221 | so they don't stick in |
| 20:59:01 | Perfect_Why_the_ | but the player does not care if hi looks right on a pyramid |
| 20:59:05 | Patlabor221 | but they would have there butts hang off the ground then |
| 20:59:06 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'm looking at physics stuff right now |
| 20:59:20 | captain_proton | if i manage to get anything working, first i'll do the 2.5d stuff as-is |
| 20:59:25 | Patlabor221 | and I am sheeeming. |
| 20:59:37 | captain_proton | HOWEVER: if i can get full 3d to -feel- right, will you consider it? |
| 20:59:53 | Patlabor221 | would you do angular velocity? |
| 21:00:01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: 'course |
| 21:00:09 | Patlabor221 | like if you were in the air and got hit off center |
| 21:00:14 | Patlabor221 | it would impart a spin. |
| 21:00:37 | Patlabor221 | we had issues with angular velocity in treadmarks |
| 21:00:45 | captain_proton | inter-tank collisions are something we need for sure |
| 21:00:53 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:01:09 | Patlabor221 | what about tank stacking? |
| 21:01:15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: :) |
| 21:01:39 | captain_proton | i'm a believer that full 3d would make bzflag 800% more popular |
| 21:01:57 | captain_proton | and it would give us old fogies a chance to learn new skills |
| 21:02:07 | Chestal | ah, who wants to learn new skills? |
| 21:02:17 | Chestal | I vote for removing jumping in 1.8 :-) |
| 21:02:20 | captain_proton | Chestal: i do, bzflag is a boring game now :P |
| 21:02:23 | BZFlag | captain_proton: if you can get true 3d to feel right, then by all means do it. |
| 21:02:28 | Patlabor221 | not being able to turn the turret may be a liability then if you get wedged between a tank and a wall |
| 21:02:34 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i believe not, i believe it would need that ppl dont die at one shot |
| 21:02:52 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: turning the turret is something i'm against, it would slow things down way too much |
| 21:03:08 | captain_proton | bows to BZFlag |
| 21:03:14 | Patlabor221 | how would it slow stuff down? |
| 21:03:15 | Perfect_Why_the_ | if u start playing as a beginner u dy every 4th second on a croweded field7map, thats frustrating to keep on playing |
| 21:03:31 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: better to not get wedged. |
| 21:03:50 | Patlabor221 | the greefers will use the weging to there advantage |
| 21:04:01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, you have 2 movable parts to think about, the tank and the turret |
| 21:04:08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:04:13 | Patlabor221 | aka a real tank |
| 21:04:17 | BZFlag | bz should stay simple to play. |
| 21:04:34 | Patlabor221 | then I would stick with 2.d pysics |
| 21:04:37 | BZFlag | I'd like to see explosions under the tanks or something to explain the jumping. ;-) |
| 21:04:39 | captain_proton | and you can't make the turret move significantly faster than the tank turns right now, or else you lose the ability to sneak up behind someone |
| 21:04:43 | Patlabor221 | and make you not be able to be stuck |
| 21:05:15 | Patlabor221 | I must to an inteface test on a movalbe turret |
| 21:05:19 | Patlabor221 | I have an idea |
| 21:05:46 | BZFlag | I have nothing against a real 3d game that has mech like controls and 3d terrain etc. I have nothing against a fork of the bz code to handle that either. but bz will continue to be simple to play. |
| 21:06:02 | BZFlag | flat floors, no moving turrets etc. |
| 21:06:32 | Patlabor221 | 3d terain , ick :) |
| 21:07:04 | Patlabor221 | cap I should let you see a little test app called "3d screamers" |
| 21:07:14 | Patlabor221 | has interesting pysics |
| 21:07:21 | Patlabor221 | all 2d tho |
| 21:07:34 | BZFlag | level tanks etc. It's not that I'm against all those features, it's just that I suspect they will make game play more difficult and bz needs to remain simple. |
| 21:07:38 | Patlabor221 | tis windows :( |
| 21:07:51 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag: I think so too |
| 21:08:16 | BZFlag | there are many things that can be done to improve the game without making it more difficult. |
| 21:08:17 | Patlabor221 | people ask for ramps, but I don't think they see the other implecations |
| 21:08:28 | BZFlag | auto vertical aiming is one I'd like to see. |
| 21:09:02 | Patlabor221 | auto to what? |
| 21:09:06 | Patlabor221 | closest target? |
| 21:09:13 | BZFlag | yeah. doom like. |
| 21:09:19 | Patlabor221 | closest along gun vector? |
| 21:09:23 | BZFlag | right. |
| 21:09:24 | Patlabor221 | what if there are multiples? |
| 21:09:29 | BZFlag | doom like. |
| 21:09:35 | Patlabor221 | well doom just did 2d colisions |
| 21:09:42 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't "auto" |
| 21:09:52 | BZFlag | watch the shots in doom. |
| 21:10:11 | BZFlag | I'm not talking about the collision detection, just the aiming. |
| 21:10:16 | Patlabor221 | did they track the target in Z? |
| 21:10:23 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 21:10:31 | BZFlag | wait.. |
| 21:10:34 | Patlabor221 | seems kind of cheap |
| 21:10:44 | BZFlag | you mean after firing? no. I don't think so. |
| 21:10:52 | BZFlag | just for the aiming. |
| 21:11:02 | Patlabor221 | then how would you lead a target if it was falling? |
| 21:11:10 | BZFlag | you coud not in doom. |
| 21:11:21 | Patlabor221 | it would be imposible to hit anyting moving in Z |
| 21:11:45 | BZFlag | in bz I'd be willing to have advanced controls for that, but the basic auto aiming should work well first. |
| 21:11:58 | Patlabor221 | be interesting to see in a test |
| 21:12:20 | Chestal | just make all shots vertical beams :-) |
| 21:12:23 | BZFlag | If someone is jumping and you can't lead them as well, that's ok provided a novice gets to hit a GM camper easier. |
| 21:13:23 | Patlabor221 | how would that work with the lazer? |
| 21:13:25 | BZFlag | there should be cross hairs that move on the display to show where you are aiming. |
| 21:13:38 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: does it need to work differently? |
| 21:13:52 | Patlabor221 | would there be a speed in vertical aming change? |
| 21:13:55 | Patlabor221 | or would it be instant? |
| 21:14:27 | Patlabor221 | well with the lazer, sometims you just want wide sweeps |
| 21:14:38 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: I'm open to either. I think some speed limit would be more intuitive. |
| 21:14:47 | Patlabor221 | this would cause it to pop up and go lose the most of the shot |
| 21:14:59 | Patlabor221 | I shall see if I can work that as an option in my test. |
| 21:15:16 | BZFlag | I'd like to limit the length of the laser in 1.8 to like 1.5x a shot. |
| 21:15:33 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see it have a time limit |
| 21:15:40 | captain_proton | 1.5x couldn't get all the way across the field |
| 21:15:49 | BZFlag | captain_proton: agreed. |
| 21:16:21 | BZFlag | and the "field" could get larger too. |
| 21:16:28 | Patlabor221 | you could have it go the version number X the shot length :) |
| 21:16:47 | Patlabor221 | everyone would be wishing for 8.0 then |
| 21:16:52 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:16:59 | BZFlag | at least the laser carrier would. |
| 21:17:38 | BZFlag | I'd also like to see the GM (at least) enforce an intershot time limit. |
| 21:18:02 | BZFlag | won't do anything on single shot servers, but for others. |
| 21:19:56 | BZFlag | something like 1/5 reload time on a 2 shot server down to <numshots>/<reload time>/2 on large shot servers. |
| 21:21:24 | BZFlag | hmm reload / shot count * 2 might be a good rule everywhere. thoughts? |
| 21:25:25 | captain_proton | i'd say inter-shot delay should be *higher* on high-shot servers |
| 21:25:40 | captain_proton | because its easy to evade a single missile, but difficult to evade 100 |
| 21:26:12 | captain_proton | you don't see that many GM campers on 1- or 2-shot servers |
| 21:26:56 | BZFlag | so on a 100 shot server, you would only get like 2 GMs? |
| 21:27:06 | captain_proton | something like that :) |
| 21:27:50 | BZFlag | hmm. seems to me if the admin allows 100 regular shots, then 50 GMs would not be unreasonable. |
| 21:28:08 | BZFlag | but I'd not expect only 2 |
| 21:28:18 | captain_proton | well, not 2 |
| 21:28:31 | BZFlag | you did say higher. ;-) |
| 21:28:42 | captain_proton | but with reload/shot count * 2 the difference is miniscule |
| 21:28:53 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 21:28:53 | captain_proton | the penalty should be greater on higher shot servers instead of smaller |
| 21:29:04 | BZFlag | suggest a formula? |
| 21:29:23 | captain_proton | shot count / reload * <some tweakable constant> |
| 21:30:18 | BZFlag | hmm. that mean on a 2 shot server I can't shoot except once every 2 reloads? |
| 21:31:41 | BZFlag | or perhaps you'd suggest a starting constant? |
| 21:32:13 | captain_proton | starting constant is probably a good idea |
| 21:32:40 | BZFlag | hmm. still thinking. have to run for a bit... |
| 21:37:49 | Patlabor221 | cap: have I told you how much I love our little libs? |
| 21:38:34 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:39:18 | Patlabor221 | I should send you the skybox class |
| 21:39:33 | Patlabor221 | full frustum cliped skybox |
| 21:42:02 | captain_proton | thexy |
| 21:49:59 | doughecka | I have a question... |
| 21:50:22 | doughecka | when WILL 1.8 start to implament all this stuff... |
| 21:50:22 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:51:28 | Patlabor221 | when you learn C |
| 21:52:00 | captain_proton | rips the cd-audio cable out of doughecka's computer and garrots him with it |
| 21:52:30 | Patlabor221 | well I hope to have a turret aiming test app soon |
| 21:52:47 | Patlabor221 | well as soon as the bossman stops giving me research tasks |
| 21:55:38 | doughecka | turret? |
| 21:55:40 | doughecka | in bzflag? |
| 21:55:41 | doughecka | or bza? |
| 22:03:19 | Patlabor221 | BZA is dead |
| 22:03:26 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:03:34 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think BZFlag will allow it |
| 22:03:44 | doughecka | humph |
| 22:03:48 | doughecka | would be nice |
| 22:03:50 | captain_proton | hrmns |
| 22:03:54 | doughecka | maybe a server option? |
| 22:03:59 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i have an idear! |
| 22:04:02 | doughecka | puuuleeeezz? |
| 22:04:04 | Patlabor221 | ohh how I love researching machine tool B axis change needs |
| 22:04:09 | Patlabor221 | for? |
| 22:04:26 | Patlabor221 | now I never said anyting about BZFlagXL |
| 22:04:43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: since bza is dead...there's something you could work on |
| 22:04:43 | doughecka | oooh |
| 22:04:49 | doughecka | bzflagXL? |
| 22:05:10 | Patlabor221 | let me guess jestream? |
| 22:05:16 | captain_proton | indeedy |
| 22:05:24 | doughecka | nooo |
| 22:05:25 | doughecka | no no |
| 22:05:28 | doughecka | bzflag... |
| 22:05:31 | doughecka | do bzflag! |
| 22:05:32 | Patlabor221 | I didnt' say I didn't have anyting to do |
| 22:05:43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you know you want to |
| 22:05:49 | Patlabor221 | I have yet to have a good UDP test of my net class |
| 22:06:15 | Patlabor221 | cap I may find ways to make some things for it. |
| 22:06:57 | Patlabor221 | but at this exact moment I must look thru this : millNewToolOp: {Start new Milling Operation} |
| 22:06:57 | Patlabor221 | GetCycle |
| 22:06:57 | Patlabor221 | initNewToolOp |
| 22:06:58 | Patlabor221 | setParams |
| 22:06:58 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC g30ToolChangePos EOL |
| 22:06:58 | Patlabor221 | SeqLab toolChange EOL |
| 22:07:00 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC g30ToolChangePos EOL |
| 22:07:02 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC ckApplyToolOffset doRotateTool EOL |
| 22:07:04 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC preToolChange EOL |
| 22:07:06 | doughecka | ick |
| 22:07:06 | Patlabor221 | IF StartOpSync? |
| 22:07:08 | Patlabor221 | {* no output of MillingMode here *} |
| 22:07:10 | Patlabor221 | {* no output of C-axis here *} |
| 22:07:12 | Patlabor221 | {* no output of SpinOn here *} |
| 22:07:12 | captain_proton | end of line :) |
| 22:07:14 | Patlabor221 | ELSE |
| 22:07:16 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC ckWPSpindleOff EOL |
| 22:07:18 | Patlabor221 | SeqLabC ckOpMode EOL |
| 22:07:20 | Patlabor221 | ckMillRotaryStartUp |
| 22:07:22 | Patlabor221 | ckMillSpindleOn |
| 22:07:24 | Patlabor221 | END |
| 22:07:26 | Patlabor221 | IF SpindleChange? |
| 22:07:28 | Patlabor221 | rapidHome |
| 22:07:30 | Patlabor221 | END |
| 22:07:32 | Patlabor221 | RETURN |
| 22:07:34 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 22:07:36 | Patlabor221 | this is my opus |
| 22:07:38 | Patlabor221 | hey we ne need them |
| 22:07:46 | Patlabor221 | I hate the fact that this is my opus, but hey it's what I got. |
| 22:08:25 | captain_proton | needs an audio-cassette drive |
| 22:08:43 | doughecka | ick |
| 22:08:44 | Patlabor221 | a walkman? |
| 22:08:45 | doughecka | why? |
| 22:08:52 | doughecka | use DVD audio... |
| 22:09:00 | doughecka | ducks and crawls under the desk |
| 22:09:06 | captain_proton | doughecka: because i have an audio cassete i need to listen to you fool |
| 22:09:09 | Patlabor221 | proalby for recoding audio |
| 22:09:15 | Patlabor221 | or that |
| 22:09:24 | Patlabor221 | don't you have a regular sterio? |
| 22:09:39 | doughecka | bah' |
| 22:10:05 | captain_proton | hmm, my roommate does but we jacked the output cable for use in the multiplay system |
| 22:10:13 | doughecka | reads mutineers moon again |
| 22:10:21 | captain_proton | with another stereo cable we could hook it up... |
| 22:10:27 | captain_proton | writes it down on the shopping list |
| 22:10:41 | doughecka | shopping? |
| 22:10:48 | doughecka | you... SHOP?!?!? |
| 22:11:08 | captain_proton | doughecka: when i need to buy things, yeah |
| 22:11:17 | captain_proton | like juice |
| 22:11:21 | captain_proton | or a stereo cable |
| 22:11:33 | doughecka | ah, I though you only went to the cafeteria |
| 22:11:37 | doughecka | ducks |
| 22:11:45 | doughecka | walks out to get his laptop |
| 22:12:19 | Patlabor221 | wow he is an idiot |
| 22:32:40 | brawler-cutter | howdy |
| 22:33:40 | brawler-cutter | can ma pla tho gam on linx, he? |
| 22:34:00 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 22:37:03 | brawler-cutter | bzshaggy run onma linx, but warty snaily, man |
| 22:37:54 | captain_proton | speak english |
| 22:38:58 | brawler-cutter | he, u what does thata soundy in u ears, clockie! |
| 22:40:17 | captain_proton | i'm willing to help resolve your problem, but not if you keep using language so badly i can't understand what you mean |
| 22:42:49 | brawler-cutter | bzshaggy flickers like a shaven cud-chewing, me need get thata righty milkladdie |
| 22:44:21 | captain_proton | wanders off |
| 22:46:22 | doughecka | hm |
| 22:46:25 | brawler-cutter | whata is tho frosted glassy vertical flimmer resolution, ha amigos? |
| 22:46:28 | doughecka | wonders... |
| 22:48:12 | doughecka | is away: GET THIS GRASS OFF OF ME! |
| 22:49:09 | brawler-cutter | the tanky gets stuck on the sulfureous mounting device |
| 22:49:29 | brawler-cutter | muchachos? |
| 22:54:04 | brawler-cutter | hey me handle tho grass with solidox box or dry ice, depens on inhale dosis ;-| |
| 22:55:40 | Patlabor221 | mmmm dry ice...... |
| 22:55:57 | brawler-cutter | oh, goted new slobber movies |
| 22:58:31 | Patlabor221 | who are you? |
| 22:58:42 | brawler-cutter | got the jester stylo anarchist cookbooky into my verklebten bond hands |
| 22:59:36 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 23:00:15 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 23:00:43 | PerfectCell | tell |
| 23:00:49 | TheManWithAPlan | nope |
| 23:00:59 | TheManWithAPlan | secret plan |
| 23:01:18 | PerfectCell | boring, im currently downloading 3ds max 5 |
| 23:01:50 | TheManWithAPlan | warez are bad ,mkay |
| 23:01:52 | PerfectCell | 100 MB done 500 to go :) |
| 23:02:02 | TheManWithAPlan | evil |
| 23:02:12 | TheManWithAPlan | fruit of ethe deevvveeel |
| 23:02:13 | PerfectCell | my only source |
| 23:02:24 | TheManWithAPlan | still |
| 23:02:41 | TheManWithAPlan | you can do everything that max can with a hex editor. |
| 23:02:46 | TheManWithAPlan | and a toothpick |
| 23:03:10 | PerfectCell | or do u think i would pay xxxx $ for it |
| 23:03:37 | TheManWithAPlan | hell you can do it all in word pad |
| 23:03:42 | TheManWithAPlan | and some graph paper |
| 23:03:45 | PerfectCell | hex editor, harharhar, reverse engineering |
| 23:03:47 | TheManWithAPlan | and an abucus |
| 23:04:11 | TheManWithAPlan | can you do floating point with an abucus? |
| 23:04:13 | PerfectCell | abacus, of coz |
| 23:04:43 | PerfectCell | i just say 100 == 0.01 |
| 23:04:55 | PerfectCell | so thats how it works |
| 23:05:06 | TheManWithAPlan | ahh fixed point |
| 23:05:09 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 23:06:07 | PerfectCell | but 100*100 = 0 |
| 23:06:47 | TheManWithAPlan | bah.. where did my skybox go |
| 23:07:40 | PerfectCell | i am thinking about starting learning playing guitar and singing some cool songs |
| 23:07:52 | TheManWithAPlan | I see |
| 23:07:57 | TheManWithAPlan | like? |
| 23:09:47 | PerfectCell | paul mc hartney or leny kravitz |
| 23:11:54 | PerfectCell | have downloaded lots of ebooks |
| 23:12:00 | TheManWithAPlan | oh like his real name is lenny |
| 23:12:14 | PerfectCell | who cares about his name |
| 23:12:40 | PerfectCell | The hackers blackbook, sounds impressive |
| 23:12:41 | TheManWithAPlan | lenny, like a mom would give her child that name |
| 23:13:10 | TheManWithAPlan | prepares the magical mystery tour. |
| 23:13:13 | PerfectCell | okeydoke |
| 23:13:39 | PerfectCell | The black book of executive plotics |
| 23:14:03 | TheManWithAPlan | "rule 1: screw everyone you can" |
| 23:14:10 | TheManWithAPlan | "rule 2: deny it" |
| 23:14:22 | TheManWithAPlan | "rule 3: see rule 2" |
| 23:14:29 | PerfectCell | EBook_THE_ INFO_MS_HIDES_ABOUT_YOU_ON_YOUR_COMPUTER_32k.TXT.DOC |
| 23:15:03 | TheManWithAPlan | I love the one that says "your computer is broadcasting an IP, and that's bad" |
| 23:15:06 | PerfectCell | Hacking for Dummies :) |
| 23:15:22 | TheManWithAPlan | just like intel's "533 mhz FSB" |
| 23:15:28 | PerfectCell | Free Paaswords |
| 23:15:35 | TheManWithAPlan | like god? |
| 23:15:41 | PerfectCell | How to hack hotmail |
| 23:16:30 | PerfectCell | ups what we have here:Ebook - How to Get the Women you Desire into Bed.doc |
| 23:16:36 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 23:17:02 | PerfectCell | (ebook) - Intel - Hand-To-Hand Combat.doc |
| 23:17:21 | PerfectCell | (eBook) 100 ways to disappear and live free.doc |
| 23:18:11 | PerfectCell | ebook Basic UNIX Tutorial.pdf |
| 23:18:18 | PerfectCell | thats what i need :) |
| 23:18:40 | PerfectCell | EBOOK , How to make money on the internet ( adobe acrobat pdf ).pdf |
| 23:18:56 | TheManWithAPlan | and your telling us all this because? |
| 23:19:03 | PerfectCell | i mean if i knew how to make money on the internet i would not write a ebook :) |
| 23:19:25 | PerfectCell | im downloading and have nothing to do, and its late |
| 23:19:46 | PerfectCell | and im browsing the data other users have on their harddisks |
| 23:19:58 | PerfectCell | and offer to me |
| 23:20:33 | PerfectCell | (eBook pdf) Hacking into computer systems - a beginners guide.pdf |
| 23:20:38 | PerfectCell | haha |
| 23:20:59 | PerfectCell | (ebook - PDF) The Brainwashing Manual .pdf |
| 23:21:09 | PerfectCell | would needy that though |
| 23:21:37 | PerfectCell | (ebook) Ted The Tool - MIT Guide to Lock Picking.pdf |
| 23:21:47 | PerfectCell | would open me all the closed doors |
| 23:21:52 | PerfectCell | could |
| 23:22:18 | PerfectCell | (eBook) Vatsyayana - The Kama Sutra.pdf |
| 23:22:22 | PerfectCell | whats thata |
| 23:22:49 | PerfectCell | Anarchists Cookbook ebook v2000.pdf |
| 23:23:03 | PerfectCell | ebook - CIA-Book-of-Dirty-Tricks1.pdf |
| 23:23:28 | PerfectCell | if i only wouldy have time to read all that shitty |
| 23:23:54 | PerfectCell | Homeland antiterrorism.pdf |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 1.Counterfeiting Money |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 2.Credit Card Fraud |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 3.Making Plastic Explosives |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 4.Picking Master Locks |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 5.The Arts of Lockpicking I |
| 23:24:31 | PerfectCell | 6.The Arts of Lockpicking II |
| 23:24:44 | PerfectCell | 7.Solidox Bombs |
| 23:24:44 | PerfectCell | 8.High Tech Revenge: The Beigebox |
| 23:24:44 | PerfectCell | 9.COý Bombs |
| 23:24:44 | PerfectCell | 10.Thermite II Bombs |
| 23:24:44 | PerfectCell | 11.Touch Explosives |
| 23:24:45 | PerfectCell | 12.Letter Bombs |
| 23:24:49 | PerfectCell | funny |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 13.Paint Bombs |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 14.Ways to send a car to HELL |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 15.Do you hate school? |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 16.Phone related vandalism |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 17.Highway police radar jamming |
| 23:25:01 | PerfectCell | 18.Smoke Bombs |
| 23:25:03 | PerfectCell | 19.Mail Box Bombs |
| 23:25:05 | PerfectCell | 20.Hot-wiring cars |
| 23:25:09 | PerfectCell | kids playing |
| 23:25:17 | PerfectCell | 21.Napalm |
| 23:25:17 | PerfectCell | 22.Fertilizer Bomb |
| 23:25:17 | PerfectCell | 23.Tennis Ball Bomb |
| 23:25:17 | PerfectCell | 24.Diskette Bombs |
| 23:25:17 | PerfectCell | 25.Unlisted Phone Numbers |
| 23:25:19 | PerfectCell | 26.Fuses |
| 23:25:23 | TheManWithAPlan | you know you can stop now |
| 23:25:27 | TheManWithAPlan | anytime |
| 23:25:33 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 23:25:39 | PerfectCell | i read it all |
| 23:25:41 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 23:25:42 | TheManWithAPlan | pfft napalm is easy |
| 23:25:53 | TheManWithAPlan | gas and styrofoam |
| 23:27:04 | PerfectCell | • Pour some gas into an old bowl, or some kind of container. |
| 23:27:04 | PerfectCell | • Get some styrofoam and put it in the gas, until the gas won't eat anymore. You should have a sticky syrup. |
| 23:27:04 | PerfectCell | • Put it on the end of something (don't touch it!!). The unused stuff lasts a long time! |
| 23:27:27 | PerfectCell | easy, yes |
| 23:27:27 | TheManWithAPlan | ohh you can tought it |
| 23:27:30 | TheManWithAPlan | touch it |
| 23:27:34 | TheManWithAPlan | it's fine |
| 23:27:40 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 23:27:42 | TheManWithAPlan | used to set my fingers on fire |
| 23:27:48 | TheManWithAPlan | it was fun |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | 22. How to make a fertilizer bomb by The Jolly Roger |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | Ingredients: |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | • Newspaper |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | • Fertilizer (the chemical kind, GREEN THUMB or ORCHO) |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | • Cotton |
| 23:28:23 | PerfectCell | • Diesel fuel |
| 23:28:36 | PerfectCell | sounds funny |
| 23:28:45 | PerfectCell | Make a pouch out of the newspaper and put some fertilizer in it. Then put cotton on top. Soak the cotton with fuel. |
| 23:28:45 | PerfectCell | Then light and run like you have never ran before! This blows up 500 square feet so don't do it in an alley!! |
| 23:29:09 | PerfectCell | really shit |
| 23:29:49 | PerfectCell | 74.Terrorizing McDonalds |
| 23:29:53 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 23:29:59 | captain_proton | time to eat raw fish |
| 23:30:10 | TheManWithAPlan | awwwww yeah |
| 23:30:13 | PerfectCell | 82.Pool Fun |
| 23:30:16 | TheManWithAPlan | what kind? |
| 23:30:35 | TheManWithAPlan | and don't say a CA roll or I will beat you with a herring. |
| 23:31:30 | PerfectCell | 170.Down The Road Missle |
| 23:31:41 | PerfectCell | oh man |
| 23:31:48 | TheManWithAPlan | that's not fish |
| 23:33:00 | PerfectCell | 0,58 kbit per sec :( |
| 23:33:59 | PerfectCell | Working harder and harder. Political advancement does require that you do an |
| 23:34:00 | PerfectCell | excellent job to earn respect. But throwing hard work alone at the problem is not |
| 23:34:00 | PerfectCell | enough. |
| 23:34:18 | PerfectCell | Relying on a limited support base. You could build a system made up of a |
| 23:34:18 | PerfectCell | limited group of friends from your college, community, or elsewhere. But using |
| 23:34:18 | PerfectCell | this approach exclusively is too limiting and cuts off more support than it |
| 23:34:18 | PerfectCell | provides. |
| 23:34:18 | TheManWithAPlan | still not fish |
| 23:34:23 | TheManWithAPlan | now I want fish |
| 23:34:29 | TheManWithAPlan | realy you should stop |
| 23:34:43 | PerfectCell | whata fish? |
| 23:34:50 | Alphonse | fish |
| 23:34:58 | Alphonse | you know swim in the ocean |
| 23:35:01 | Alphonse | raw fish on rice |
| 23:35:09 | Alphonse | nori sushi |
| 23:35:16 | Alphonse | little wasabi |
| 23:35:20 | PerfectCell | i hate fish fie |
| 23:35:30 | Alphonse | perhaps a salmon skin hand roll |
| 23:35:42 | Alphonse | nice washington roll |
| 23:35:45 | PerfectCell | yes thats great |
| 23:35:51 | PerfectCell | tasty |
| 23:36:04 | Alphonse | or an ichi roll |
| 23:36:05 | PerfectCell | mom, im hungry |
| 23:36:26 | Alphonse | mm washington roll |
| 23:36:36 | Alphonse | all that salmon in ichi sauce |
| 23:36:44 | PerfectCell | i love it |
| 23:37:17 | Alphonse | but you said you didn't like fish |
| 23:37:45 | PerfectCell | a_n = b * a_n-1 + c is there a explicit solution of this linear recursion? |
| 23:37:57 | Alphonse | maybe |
| 23:38:16 | Alphonse | are you in inverted gausian space? |
| 23:38:26 | PerfectCell | 3 tablespoons vegetable oil |
| 23:38:27 | Alphonse | or newtonian? |
| 23:38:27 | PerfectCell | 6 medium white onions, sliced |
| 23:38:27 | PerfectCell | 8 cups beef broth (Swanson is best) |
| 23:38:27 | PerfectCell | 1 cup water |
| 23:38:27 | PerfectCell | 2 1/2 teaspoons salt |
| 23:38:27 | PerfectCell | 1/2 teaspoon garlic powder |
| 23:38:29 | PerfectCell | 1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper |
| 23:38:31 | PerfectCell | 5 plain hamburger buns |
| 23:38:33 | PerfectCell | 10 slices provolone cheese |
| 23:38:35 | PerfectCell | 10 teaspoons shredded parmesan cheese |
| 23:38:58 | Alphonse | wtf? |
| 23:39:14 | PerfectCell | Top Secret Recipes |
| 23:39:14 | PerfectCell | version of |
| 23:39:19 | Alphonse | cheese atack on a bun? |
| 23:39:49 | PerfectCell | Applebee'S baked french onion soup |
| 23:39:59 | Alphonse | ick |
| 23:39:59 | doughecka | Mmmm, sushi |
| 23:40:07 | PerfectCell | hehe |
| 23:40:09 | Alphonse | applebees isn't that good |
| 23:40:16 | doughecka | Mmmm, french onion soup.. |
| 23:40:23 | PerfectCell | maybe |
| 23:40:30 | Alphonse | mostly just go there to get duunk and hit on the watreses |
| 23:40:39 | Alphonse | how many have you been to? |
| 23:40:40 | PerfectCell | Top Secret Recipes |
| 23:40:40 | PerfectCell | version of |
| 23:40:40 | PerfectCell | Benihana Ginger Salad Dressing |
| 23:41:04 | PerfectCell | 1/2 cup minced onion |
| 23:41:04 | PerfectCell | 1/2 cup peanut oil |
| 23:41:04 | PerfectCell | 1/3 cup rice vinegar |
| 23:41:04 | PerfectCell | 2 tablespoons water |
| 23:41:04 | PerfectCell | 2 tablespoons minced fresh ginger |
| 23:41:05 | PerfectCell | 2 tablespoons minced celery |
| 23:41:07 | PerfectCell | 2 tablespoons ketchup |
| 23:41:09 | PerfectCell | 4 teaspoons soy sauce |
| 23:41:10 | doughecka | ooh |
| 23:41:11 | PerfectCell | 2 teaspoons sugar |
| 23:41:13 | PerfectCell | 2 teaspoons lemon juice |
| 23:41:15 | PerfectCell | 1/2 teaspoon minced garlic |
| 23:41:16 | doughecka | yum |
| 23:41:17 | PerfectCell | 1/2 teaspoon salt |
| 23:41:19 | PerfectCell | 1/4 teaspoon black pepper |
| 23:41:21 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 23:41:29 | PerfectCell | Top Secret Recipes |
| 23:41:29 | PerfectCell | version of |
| 23:41:29 | PerfectCell | Boston Market Meatloaf |
| 23:41:37 | Alphonse | again ick |
| 23:41:41 | PerfectCell | 1 cup tomato sauce |
| 23:41:42 | PerfectCell | 1 1/2 tablespoons Kraft original barbecue sauce |
| 23:41:42 | PerfectCell | 1 tablespoon granulated sugar |
| 23:41:42 | PerfectCell | 1 1/2 pounds ground sirloin (10% fat) |
| 23:41:42 | PerfectCell | 6 tablespoons all-purpose flour |
| 23:41:42 | PerfectCell | 3/4 teaspoon salt |
| 23:41:44 | PerfectCell | 1/2 teaspoon onion powder |
| 23:41:46 | PerfectCell | 1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper |
| 23:41:48 | PerfectCell | dash garlic powder |
| 23:41:54 | Alphonse | ther are other places better htne benny's for tepan |
| 23:41:56 | Alphonse | many |
| 23:42:00 | Alphonse | many many many |
| 23:42:08 | PerfectCell | ack |
| 23:42:09 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:42:39 | Alphonse | doug do they have sushi out there in the farmlands? |
| 23:42:42 | PerfectCell | (ebook - PDF) - Mathematics - Fourier Transforms and Waves.pdf |
| 23:42:48 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:42:55 | doughecka | are you downloading all this stuff? |
| 23:42:57 | Alphonse | ok dude realy stop |
| 23:43:10 | doughecka | glances at Alphonse |
| 23:43:11 | PerfectCell | ebook - PDF) How to Make Love All Night (and Drive a Woman Wild).pdf |
| 23:43:16 | PerfectCell | cool |
| 23:43:28 | Alphonse | no realy do they have sushi out there? |
| 23:43:34 | PerfectCell | no |
| 23:43:35 | doughecka | my dad makes it |
| 23:43:39 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:43:45 | Alphonse | you can get the fish? |
| 23:43:47 | Alphonse | that's cool |
| 23:43:51 | doughecka | yup |
| 23:43:57 | PerfectCell | the good thing on shushi is that the fish is raw |
| 23:44:00 | doughecka | from a "secial store" |
| 23:44:03 | Alphonse | do they have to fly it in? |
| 23:44:11 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:44:19 | doughecka | from chicogo |
| 23:44:23 | doughecka | from calif |
| 23:44:31 | doughecka | 3 hops |
| 23:44:32 | Alphonse | there is no ocean in chicago |
| 23:44:35 | doughecka | nice and fresh |
| 23:44:43 | Alphonse | we get ours off the boat |
| 23:45:18 | Alphonse | right in the AM |
| 23:45:38 | doughecka | calif to chicogo to louisville |
| 23:45:45 | PerfectCell | ups have to clean my drive almost full, 200MB left |
| 23:45:49 | Alphonse | how long does that take? |
| 23:45:55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:46:00 | doughecka | dont know |
| 23:46:03 | doughecka | maybe a day" |
| 23:46:04 | doughecka | ? |
| 23:46:09 | Alphonse | oh |
| 23:46:13 | Alphonse | they freeze it? |
| 23:46:18 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:46:20 | doughecka | :() |
| 23:46:26 | Alphonse | oh then that's crap |
| 23:46:31 | Alphonse | you need real fish |
| 23:46:41 | doughecka | I dont eat the raw stuff anyway |
| 23:46:43 | Alphonse | move out here |
| 23:46:48 | doughecka | I eat smoke salmon and tuna |
| 23:46:51 | PerfectCell | time to sleep, i let my pc running, hopefully i can setup 3ds max 5 tomorrow |
| 23:46:56 | Alphonse | then how can you say you like sushi? |
| 23:47:02 | Alphonse | the word means RAW FISH |
| 23:47:04 | doughecka | Alphonse: you have money for shipping my stuff out there? |
| 23:47:13 | doughecka | california rolls then |
| 23:47:17 | Alphonse | get a wagon |
| 23:47:21 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:47:25 | doughecka | no horses |
| 23:47:27 | Alphonse | CA rolls are not sushi |
| 23:47:27 | doughecka | erk |
| 23:47:35 | doughecka | my dad makes both |
| 23:47:50 | doughecka | I eat both, but I like calif rolls better |
| 23:47:50 | Alphonse | there are places here where you would be thrown out of the store for ordering that |
| 23:47:54 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:47:57 | Alphonse | seriously |
| 23:48:02 | Alphonse | I've been to one |
| 23:48:12 | doughecka | oh? |
| 23:48:13 | Alphonse | saw someone get asked to leave |
| 23:48:17 | Alphonse | yup |
| 23:48:22 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:48:38 | Alphonse | at least put some salmon on it |
| 23:48:41 | Alphonse | and ichi sauce |
| 23:48:48 | doughecka | WASABI!!!! |
| 23:48:54 | Alphonse | raw fish is good for you |
| 23:48:55 | doughecka | WAAASSSSSAAABBIIII!!! |
| 23:49:01 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:49:07 | doughecka | but I like other fish better |
| 23:49:13 | Alphonse | yes there is that in each peice of sushi |
| 23:49:15 | doughecka | like grilled tuna... |
| 23:49:24 | doughecka | Mmmmm |
| 23:49:26 | Alphonse | it's what hold it to the rice |
| 23:49:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:51:49 | doughecka | has mail! |
| 23:51:53 | doughecka | shoots AOL |
| 23:56:39 | Alphonse | why do you have it? |
| 23:56:49 | doughecka | I dont |
| 23:57:09 | Alphonse | then how can you shoot it? |
| 23:57:13 | doughecka | but everytime I see my mail icon pop up, I think "You'v got mail!" |
| 23:57:30 | Alphonse | then it is you who you should shoot |
| 23:57:42 | doughecka | grins |