| 00:48:00 | sussudio | is a mean laser camper |
| 01:27:00 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey everyone |
| 01:34:58 | doughecka | hey! |
| 01:34:59 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:35:01 | doughecka | Mmm |
| 01:35:04 | | jzaun was last seen on #bzflag 2 days, 3 hours, 6 seconds ago, saying: hey doughecka [Thu Oct 10 16:34:58 2002] |
| 01:35:04 | doughecka | ibot seen jzaun |
| 01:35:07 | doughecka | bah |
| 01:38:10 | sussudio | that map sucked |
| 02:01:44 | Dxk | hi there, #unixpro , UNIX Programming channel, just startin' up, ppl who is interested WelCOMe |
| 02:04:17 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 02:04:18 | sussudio | dxk dork he is |
| 02:04:50 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey... Silent Death is on again....... all ST people!! |
| 02:05:03 | sussudio | oh great. |
| 02:30:15 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:30:36 | doughecka | wonders where patlabor221, jzaun, captain_proton, and others are |
| 02:30:47 | doughecka | anyone? |
| 02:30:51 | doughecka | where are they? |
| 02:32:58 | doughecka | is away: bed |
| 02:35:15 | | I haven't seen 'pantslamer', sussudio |
| 02:35:15 | sussudio | ibot seen pantslamer |
| 03:09:58 | SpacemanSpiff | I haven't seen proton since Thursday or Friday.. and I saw jzaun yesterday |
| 03:22:04 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh... I must go |
| 03:22:09 | SpacemanSpiff | God bless you all! |
| 03:22:11 | SpacemanSpiff | Goodnight |
| 04:04:28 | sussudio | yay someone called me a cheater |
| 04:04:33 | sussudio | that made my day |
| 04:09:36 | chsh[HOME] | haha |
| 07:05:27 | Widget | Bah. |
| 07:08:15 | Zombie | hey |
| 07:32:48 | lurgyman | yay! i finished bzflag 2.0! |
| 07:34:56 | lurgyman | oops, deleted it |
| 07:35:10 | lurgyman | wish i'd made backups |
| 07:38:05 | lurgyman | <11-0> lurgyman is confused |
| 07:43:37 | lurgyman | horby |
| 07:43:38 | Widget | Hm. |
| 07:43:43 | snyke | lurgyman: made backups?? |
| 07:43:49 | lurgyman | i wish |
| 07:43:58 | lurgyman | then i'd ftp it to you straight away |
| 07:44:08 | lurgyman | but alas, i accidentally deleted it |
| 07:44:14 | lurgyman | and then lit the drive on fire |
| 07:44:29 | snyke | hum- |
| 07:44:48 | lurgyman | don't worry, though- |
| 07:44:59 | snyke | ;-) |
| 07:45:01 | lurgyman | the neurotic raccoons outside could entertain anybody |
| 07:45:22 | lurgyman | depending on the night, they've been observed thinking they're cows, chameleons and wolves! |
| 07:45:46 | lurgyman | but not yet racoons |
| 07:45:54 | lurgyman | with or without 2 c's |
| 07:45:54 | snyke | hm. you are talking a bit senseless. maybe you should lie down for a few hours. |
| 07:46:00 | lurgyman | ha |
| 07:46:03 | lurgyman | tell that to proton |
| 07:46:04 | captain_proton | he never lies down |
| 07:46:10 | snyke | oh, okay |
| 07:46:16 | lurgyman | then he sleeps until 2:00 |
| 07:46:19 | snyke | he can sleep standing? |
| 07:46:21 | lurgyman | (PM) |
| 07:46:23 | snyke | or sitting? |
| 07:46:27 | lurgyman | maybe he can sleep compiling |
| 07:46:34 | snyke | that's okay. |
| 07:47:06 | lurgyman | lieutenant kije will come and get us all! |
| 07:47:15 | snyke | I also think so. |
| 07:47:32 | lurgyman | prokofiev is d bomb |
| 08:20:24 | Widget | Oh, well. |
| 08:20:53 | lurgyman | ribbit |
| 09:26:43 | lurgyman | qzxplt |
| 11:57:35 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:57:35 | Pinga | ibot ducati |
| 11:57:38 | bzbott | calico (Red):-7 (14 wins, 21 losses). Help!!! (Red):-21 (13 wins, 34 losses). Gotcha (Green):-7 (8 wins, 15 losses). BenniM (Karlsruhe, GER) (Red):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). MIRELLA (Green):8 (9 wins, 1 losses). sibtrab (Green):3 (7 wins, 4 losses). |
| 12:48:51 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:48:51 | Pinga | ibot ducati |
| 12:48:53 | bzbott | LPR (Green):4 (11 wins, 7 losses). malaga (Green):1 (1 wins, 0 losses). chris (Red):-3 (10 wins, 13 losses). |
| 13:28:56 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:28:56 | Pinga | ibot ducati |
| 13:28:58 | bzbott | rex (Red):4 (13 wins, 9 losses). Rembo (Green):-4 (8 wins, 12 losses). |
| 16:23:25 | bzgirl | hi |
| 16:24:53 | Chestal | hi bzgirl |
| 16:35:38 | Cell_prog_insect | i love call stack |
| 16:40:26 | bh | hello all |
| 17:14:02 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 17:14:23 | bzgirl | hi ruudi |
| 17:14:37 | [BZ]Ruudi | how's it goin' |
| 17:14:44 | bzgirl | alright :) |
| 17:16:17 | Bob[Onkelz] | Chestal - now I'm on here, can I air my message that was posted on Valoche server? |
| 17:19:12 | Bob[Onkelz] | sorry, lost my conniction |
| 17:21:21 | Bob[Onkelz] | Chestal - can i air my development request here?? |
| 17:24:18 | Chestal | well, you can just discuss it here |
| 17:24:26 | Chestal | but not many people alive right now |
| 17:25:00 | Bob[Onkelz] | Yes, so i noticed - this is my first time on IRC |
| 17:28:27 | Chestal | this is the best place for online discussins about bzflag |
| 17:28:41 | Chestal | if you want to place your ideas somewhere, sourceforge is better suited |
| 18:45:51 | Widget | . |
| 18:47:22 | bh | hey Widget |
| 18:48:39 | Widget | hihihi |
| 18:49:00 | bh | dont you play bzflag anymore? |
| 18:52:45 | Widget | Not much time. |
| 18:54:49 | bh | what are you into? |
| 18:58:20 | Widget | Lectures. :-( |
| 18:58:41 | Widget | Though there only seems to be one very difficult one. Principles of Sociology. |
| 19:00:11 | bh | you'll get smarter, and easier to kill at bzflag, that is fine by me hehe |
| 19:12:31 | Terminator | hi all |
| 19:13:12 | bzgirl | hello Terminator |
| 19:18:30 | Terminator | hmm |
| 19:18:41 | Terminator | ruudi was in a rush |
| 19:18:47 | Terminator | oh hi bzgirl |
| 19:24:03 | Terminator | is away |
| 19:35:41 | Widget | ibot: x de en bringt das System zu einem schreienden Halt |
| 19:35:41 | | Widget: the system brings to a crying stop |
| 20:00:14 | bzdougg | yay!!! |
| 20:00:18 | bzdougg | where you been Patlabor221? |
| 20:00:28 | Patlabor221 | around |
| 20:00:32 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:00:47 | bzdougg | well, I got my new motherboard... |
| 20:00:49 | bzdougg | :) |
| 20:00:56 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 20:01:23 | Patlabor221 | did you get ram? |
| 20:01:30 | bzdougg | yup |
| 20:01:32 | bh | mine is so old it's grandmotherboard |
| 20:01:33 | bh | hehehe |
| 20:01:43 | bzdougg | bh: he... he.... ;) |
| 20:01:51 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: its VERY nice.... |
| 20:02:00 | Patlabor221 | does it work? |
| 20:02:13 | bh | :P |
| 20:02:14 | bzdougg | hmm is 50 degrees C good for a athlon xp 1700? |
| 20:02:17 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: yup |
| 20:02:21 | Patlabor221 | they fry at 90 |
| 20:02:26 | bzdougg | XP runs fine on it.. |
| 20:02:31 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: ah, cool |
| 20:02:35 | bzdougg | er |
| 20:04:18 | bzdougg | whats neat is that I can change the FSB and CPU voltage, among other things, in windows... |
| 20:04:30 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 20:04:45 | bzdougg | hm, current cpu temp is 45 |
| 20:05:00 | Patlabor221 | that is average with a decent fan |
| 20:05:17 | bzdougg | hmm, I used the stock AMD HS and fan... |
| 20:05:24 | captain_proton | mornin' |
| 20:05:31 | Patlabor221 | that would be the definition of decent |
| 20:05:35 | Patlabor221 | hye cap |
| 20:05:40 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:05:50 | bzdougg | I thought the stuff that came with the cpu was cheap... |
| 20:05:58 | bzdougg | like you could get better... |
| 20:06:00 | Patlabor221 | it's average |
| 20:06:03 | bzdougg | k |
| 20:06:04 | Patlabor221 | you can get better |
| 20:06:09 | bzdougg | yea... |
| 20:06:10 | Patlabor221 | and you can get worse |
| 20:06:14 | bzdougg | lol |
| 20:06:24 | Patlabor221 | most stock fans are enought to work |
| 20:06:48 | bzdougg | yea, I turned my case fan on... sounds like a jet, but it sure moves air |
| 20:07:12 | bzdougg | its like 5 inches across |
| 20:07:35 | Patlabor221 | cap too bad your not doing scsi for your driv beast, I found a cool enclosure. |
| 20:07:57 | bzdougg | now... why dint windows XP ask me about upgrading windows 2000? |
| 20:08:01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: looks like i'm mostly gonna be using laptop drives |
| 20:08:07 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 20:08:09 | bzdougg | captain_proton: ick |
| 20:08:17 | bzdougg | how do you hook them up? |
| 20:08:22 | Patlabor221 | well comp geeks has the converters |
| 20:08:26 | Patlabor221 | it's still IDE |
| 20:08:28 | Patlabor221 | just slower |
| 20:08:31 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:08:34 | Patlabor221 | and smaller cabales |
| 20:08:34 | bzdougg | how does it get power? |
| 20:08:42 | Patlabor221 | same cable |
| 20:08:48 | bzdougg | interesting |
| 20:08:51 | Patlabor221 | let me find the adapter |
| 20:08:56 | captain_proton | this guy and i are gonna fab a backplane |
| 20:08:59 | captain_proton | <grin> |
| 20:09:11 | bzdougg | captain_proton: cooool |
| 20:09:24 | Patlabor221 | you could take them all out to USB :) |
| 20:09:31 | bzdougg | heh |
| 20:10:04 | Patlabor221 | http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-108 |
| 20:10:04 | captain_proton | nah i'll probably take it all to a single PCI card |
| 20:10:19 | Patlabor221 | adapter kit is under $4 |
| 20:10:33 | | 240 |
| 20:10:33 | bzdougg | ibot 4 * 60 |
| 20:10:36 | bzdougg | ick |
| 20:10:42 | bzdougg | how many drives? |
| 20:10:46 | Patlabor221 | 60? |
| 20:10:46 | bzdougg | and what size? |
| 20:10:52 | Patlabor221 | thought it was 40 |
| 20:10:54 | captain_proton | 70 12-gigers |
| 20:10:57 | bzdougg | wooo |
| 20:11:04 | | 280 |
| 20:11:04 | bzdougg | ibot 4 * 70 |
| 20:11:07 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:11:13 | captain_proton | plus about 240g in standard IDE drives to hook to the mobo |
| 20:11:13 | | 840 |
| 20:11:13 | bzdougg | ibot 12 * 70 |
| 20:11:18 | bzdougg | woo |
| 20:11:30 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of little drives |
| 20:11:34 | bzdougg | you gonna raid the laptop stuff? |
| 20:11:42 | Patlabor221 | you gonna make some type of super IDE card? |
| 20:11:42 | captain_proton | no raid! |
| 20:11:48 | Patlabor221 | LVM |
| 20:11:52 | bzdougg | bah |
| 20:11:57 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: thats what i'm leaning towards |
| 20:11:59 | bzdougg | how many PCI cards then? |
| 20:12:00 | Patlabor221 | logical volumes are the shit |
| 20:12:04 | captain_proton | bzdougg: 1 ;) |
| 20:12:09 | bzdougg | how? |
| 20:12:13 | Patlabor221 | you can make your own controler I guess |
| 20:12:17 | captain_proton | the powers of custom hardware |
| 20:12:22 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:12:27 | bzdougg | how do you do that? |
| 20:12:48 | captain_proton | you design it, breadboard it, get it working, design a PCB, then get it fabbed |
| 20:12:50 | Patlabor221 | well hell, you could put them in this thing then |
| 20:12:51 | Patlabor221 | http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=14SCSITWR |
| 20:13:00 | bzdougg | woo |
| 20:13:02 | bzdougg | nice case |
| 20:13:10 | Patlabor221 | that's NOT a PC case |
| 20:13:14 | bzdougg | captain_proton: ick, I hope you dont fry something... |
| 20:13:24 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: rack? |
| 20:13:27 | captain_proton | bzdougg: i can avoid frying things |
| 20:13:32 | bzdougg | captain_proton: hehe |
| 20:13:33 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:13:44 | Patlabor221 | read |
| 20:13:46 | bzdougg | scsi case? |
| 20:13:56 | Patlabor221 | big f'en drive encolsure |
| 20:14:04 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:14:19 | Patlabor221 | thankfully your little laptop drives won't be pulling much power |
| 20:14:32 | Patlabor221 | so they may all run off one large powersupply |
| 20:14:36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: probably difficult to mount laptop drives in it though, and i dunno if 300w is enough to drive a duron plus 70 drives |
| 20:15:01 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:15:07 | Patlabor221 | well if you are making a custom card you could have it connect via an external cable |
| 20:15:15 | Patlabor221 | and just put the drives in here |
| 20:15:21 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:15:27 | Patlabor221 | and the PC and it's drives in the normal case |
| 20:15:29 | bzdougg | PCI bridge? |
| 20:15:42 | Patlabor221 | no he's making a custom controler |
| 20:15:55 | bzdougg | home made PCI bridge with cable... and have the drives hook up inside the external case |
| 20:15:56 | Patlabor221 | no reason he can't make it connect via a scsi connector ro the case |
| 20:16:04 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:16:12 | Patlabor221 | expt that drives don't hook to PCI busses |
| 20:16:42 | Patlabor221 | don't just take words and put them into sentances |
| 20:16:43 | Patlabor221 | think |
| 20:17:33 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if you could fit 4 drives in a 5.5 bay |
| 20:17:40 | Patlabor221 | sorry 5.25 |
| 20:18:09 | Patlabor221 | if you could that would fit 56 drives in there |
| 20:19:08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: thats one thing i was considering |
| 20:19:46 | Patlabor221 | actualy I just looked |
| 20:19:49 | captain_proton | buy soemthing like a 6U rackmount chassis, build a backplane in it, mount all 70 drives in that, run a small cable to the main machine |
| 20:20:02 | Patlabor221 | 8 shuld fit in the same space as a CDrom |
| 20:20:07 | bzdougg | I was saying having a PCI bridge go into the external drive tower, and then put your costom PCI card in there.. then you could use regular IDE cables |
| 20:20:34 | captain_proton | then if ever i get another assload of drives, i build another backplane, get another case, ... |
| 20:20:49 | captain_proton | i'd need a rack, but oooh that'd be sexy |
| 20:21:00 | bzdougg | how much bandwidth does PCI have? |
| 20:21:14 | bzdougg | would it be able to run 70+ drives at once? |
| 20:21:20 | Patlabor221 | doug that's too much work. just put the PCI card in the PC, then run a cable to a custom break out box. |
| 20:21:30 | Patlabor221 | no need to put PCI in the drive array |
| 20:21:34 | bzdougg | but doent IDE have a calbe limit? |
| 20:21:40 | Patlabor221 | 66mhz * 32 bit. |
| 20:21:48 | | 2112 |
| 20:21:48 | bzdougg | ibot 66 * 32 |
| 20:21:51 | bzdougg | oh |
| 20:22:06 | Patlabor221 | that's why you make it a custom cable between the drivebox and the PC |
| 20:22:19 | bzdougg | hmm, cool |
| 20:22:33 | Patlabor221 | 257 megs a sec |
| 20:22:42 | bzdougg | not too bad... |
| 20:22:59 | bzdougg | and AGP is what? 1000 megs a sec or something? |
| 20:23:00 | Patlabor221 | and not too great |
| 20:23:06 | bzdougg | :) |
| 20:23:10 | Patlabor221 | depends on what you are talking about |
| 20:23:14 | bzdougg | is there anything faster than PCI? |
| 20:23:15 | captain_proton | PCI can do 133mb/s |
| 20:23:26 | bzdougg | captain_proton: thats what I thought.. |
| 20:23:31 | Patlabor221 | hmm that's not too good |
| 20:23:36 | Patlabor221 | 64 bit PCI time |
| 20:23:42 | bzdougg | hah |
| 20:23:44 | captain_proton | that mobo doesn't do 64-bit pci |
| 20:23:50 | bzdougg | how fast is 64 bit pci? |
| 20:24:08 | Patlabor221 | make a custom adapter that goes into a ram slot |
| 20:24:13 | bzdougg | is there anything inbetween pci and AGP? |
| 20:24:14 | Patlabor221 | then you can memory map the drives |
| 20:24:19 | captain_proton | ewwwwwwwwww |
| 20:24:26 | Patlabor221 | and then you can have ultimat synergy |
| 20:24:31 | Patlabor221 | in the backplane |
| 20:24:39 | Patlabor221 | and put in some buffers |
| 20:24:49 | Patlabor221 | cus everythings faster with buffers |
| 20:25:43 | Patlabor221 | wonder if you could do some type of IDE to SCSI tyep bridge. |
| 20:25:44 | captain_proton | i think i'm gonna stick with the PCI-controller idear |
| 20:26:01 | Patlabor221 | pralby for the best |
| 20:26:22 | Patlabor221 | I was just puting random buzz words together |
| 20:26:53 | Patlabor221 | but I do realy wonder if you could make something that would take multiple dirves and map it to a SCSI ID. |
| 20:28:27 | Patlabor221 | hmm this is interesting |
| 20:28:38 | Patlabor221 | laptop IDE to fireware adapter |
| 20:28:49 | bzdougg | oooooh |
| 20:28:52 | bzdougg | thats cool! |
| 20:28:52 | bzdougg | :) |
| 20:28:55 | bzdougg | how much? |
| 20:29:07 | Patlabor221 | unforntonatly like $42 |
| 20:29:12 | bzdougg | ick |
| 20:29:17 | | 2940 |
| 20:29:17 | bzdougg | ibot 42 * 70 |
| 20:29:20 | Patlabor221 | but it has a case and all |
| 20:29:20 | bzdougg | woo |
| 20:29:24 | bzdougg | yea |
| 20:29:31 | bzdougg | does it have external power? |
| 20:29:39 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if it would be posible to get the plans for it |
| 20:29:46 | bzdougg | I bet it would, if you used 70 on the same chian... |
| 20:29:59 | Patlabor221 | the case does |
| 20:30:02 | bzdougg | *gasp* stealing trade secrets? |
| 20:30:11 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: hmm |
| 20:30:24 | bzdougg | wonders where to plug 70 wall warts in |
| 20:30:25 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 20:30:33 | Patlabor221 | fireware is an open standard |
| 20:30:47 | bzdougg | yea, but not that laptop2firewire thingy |
| 20:31:05 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 20:31:07 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:31:23 | bzdougg | wonders off to play a game on his new puter |
| 20:31:43 | bzdougg | oh yeam is there anyway I can get all my old programs installed in XP from 2000? |
| 20:31:53 | bzdougg | automagicaly? |
| 20:32:01 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:32:02 | bzdougg | I dint ask me to upgrade |
| 20:32:07 | Patlabor221 | why didn't you upgrade? |
| 20:32:12 | bzdougg | so I made a fresh XP install |
| 20:32:14 | Patlabor221 | did you boot from the cd? |
| 20:32:18 | bzdougg | yea |
| 20:32:24 | Patlabor221 | thats your problem |
| 20:32:28 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 20:32:31 | Patlabor221 | to upgrade you boot to the OS |
| 20:32:35 | Patlabor221 | then put in the CD |
| 20:32:36 | bzdougg | oh |
| 20:32:39 | Patlabor221 | and it will update it |
| 20:32:47 | bzdougg | but the OS was blown up cuz I changed the mobo on it |
| 20:32:47 | Patlabor221 | you sir are screwed. |
| 20:32:56 | Patlabor221 | then no upgrade for you. |
| 20:33:01 | Patlabor221 | hence the screwing |
| 20:33:01 | bzdougg | I need to repair 2000 first |
| 20:33:04 | bzdougg | then upgrade... |
| 20:33:20 | bzdougg | I dint want to repair and upgrade it all... humph |
| 20:33:28 | Patlabor221 | you can't repair the 2k install |
| 20:33:32 | bzdougg | shrugs and wonders off to play a game |
| 20:33:32 | Patlabor221 | not on a mobo change |
| 20:33:34 | bzdougg | yea I can |
| 20:33:36 | bzdougg | I did!!! |
| 20:33:51 | bzdougg | I repaired 2000 last time I changed my mobo |
| 20:33:53 | Patlabor221 | no need to get excited there skip |
| 20:33:56 | Patlabor221 | then do it again |
| 20:34:04 | bzdougg | :( |
| 20:34:30 | bzdougg | maybe I'll do it tonight when I have 4 good floppys to boot off of |
| 20:34:52 | bzdougg | wonders off... |
| 20:46:43 | Cell_prog_insect | where do i get bzedit 2.1? |
| 20:46:57 | captain_proton | oof i need to update that url |
| 20:47:21 | Cell_prog_insect | thanks |
| 20:49:39 | Cell_prog_insect | what is mario.tar.gz ? |
| 20:49:51 | captain_proton | something you can ignore :) |
| 20:50:10 | Cell_prog_insect | super mario? |
| 20:50:30 | captain_proton | ...sorta |
| 20:51:24 | Cell_prog_insect | and how do i compile this thingi with vc++? |
| 20:51:40 | captain_proton | you don't, bzedit-2.1 is the linux one |
| 20:51:49 | captain_proton | go get Patlabor221's if you want something that will work on windows |
| 20:51:59 | Cell_prog_insect | but is it the same? |
| 20:52:08 | captain_proton | sorta |
| 20:52:14 | captain_proton | its got a similar interface, they share some code |
| 20:52:16 | Cell_prog_insect | what does that mean |
| 20:52:22 | Cell_prog_insect | ok |
| 20:53:21 | Cell_prog_insect | and where do iget the windows one? |
| 20:53:29 | | captain_proton: no idea |
| 20:53:29 | captain_proton | ibot bzedit32? |
| 20:53:34 | Cell_prog_insect | lost the url ;( |
| 20:53:41 | captain_proton | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit |
| 20:54:44 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the stuff |
| 20:55:07 | Patlabor221 | LOL I was just accepted to the PS2 version of Everquest's beta program. |
| 20:57:48 | Patlabor221 | and I don't even own a PS2 |
| 20:58:31 | Cell_prog_insect | hey pat u could put some tooltips over the buttons |
| 20:59:11 | Cell_prog_insect | i just dont know what button does what action |
| 21:00:01 | Patlabor221 | I could do lots of things |
| 21:01:05 | Cell_prog_insect | but its very cool otherwise |
| 21:01:27 | Patlabor221 | it's realy rather simple |
| 21:01:54 | Cell_prog_insect | do the grouping work already in 1.52 |
| 21:02:23 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:03:25 | Patlabor221 | tho I have been working on the grouping type structures on another editor |
| 21:03:26 | Cell_prog_insect | did u try the linux version |
| 21:03:32 | Patlabor221 | that I can use in mine |
| 21:03:38 | Patlabor221 | the new one that cap is making? |
| 21:03:52 | Patlabor221 | I looked at an older one once |
| 21:04:13 | Patlabor221 | when cap has his worldclass done I'll use that as the basis for a new windows one. |
| 21:04:35 | Cell_prog_insect | world calss? |
| 21:04:52 | Patlabor221 | the class that holds the map structures |
| 21:05:04 | Patlabor221 | we've gone back and forth modifying it |
| 21:05:08 | Cell_prog_insect | why do u have to wait for it? |
| 21:05:16 | Patlabor221 | so the editors use the same back end |
| 21:05:27 | Patlabor221 | he's been adding groups and changing it |
| 21:05:31 | Patlabor221 | so I want to use that |
| 21:05:37 | Patlabor221 | no need to do the same work twice. |
| 21:05:46 | Cell_prog_insect | ah, k |
| 21:07:03 | Patlabor221 | since they are seperate projects I don't have to use his code, but I like to keep at least some of them all the same |
| 21:07:49 | Cell_prog_insect | i think u have no chance against my upcoming editor anyway |
| 21:09:04 | Patlabor221 | if we were in competition I would think that I would try a bit harder then I am now |
| 21:09:13 | Cell_prog_insect | i know:) |
| 21:09:17 | Cell_prog_insect | just a joke |
| 21:09:31 | Patlabor221 | but yours seems like overkill for what BZ does |
| 21:09:50 | Patlabor221 | since a 1.7 map can't have arbitrarly geometry |
| 21:09:51 | Cell_prog_insect | yes, definetly |
| 21:10:24 | Patlabor221 | and I don't want to make a modeler |
| 21:10:35 | Patlabor221 | there are other apps that are better suited for it. |
| 21:10:47 | Cell_prog_insect | milkshape? |
| 21:10:51 | Patlabor221 | that |
| 21:10:53 | Patlabor221 | lightwave |
| 21:10:55 | Patlabor221 | gmax |
| 21:10:59 | Patlabor221 | all the modelers |
| 21:11:39 | Cell_prog_insect | hm, milkshape seems to be quite popular, i wonder how many times it has bee sold |
| 21:11:54 | Cell_prog_insect | i mean for a low cost editor |
| 21:12:59 | Widget | Hm... I think I have framebuffer problems again. |
| 21:13:13 | Patlabor221 | it's sold a lot |
| 21:13:22 | Patlabor221 | I mean it does a lot for $20 |
| 21:13:28 | Widget | Now when I switch to a console my monitor starts to hiss. |
| 21:13:35 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:13:42 | Patlabor221 | did you ever get a real video card? |
| 21:13:54 | Widget | And there's a blurry little box that says "out of range" |
| 21:13:59 | Widget | I think it has to do with the monitor. |
| 21:14:20 | Patlabor221 | you are going to a refresh that is not supported by the monitor |
| 21:14:29 | Patlabor221 | it's all set in your configs |
| 21:14:31 | Widget | fbset shows... |
| 21:14:34 | Patlabor221 | the card controls it |
| 21:14:36 | Widget | mode "640x480-59" |
| 21:14:36 | Widget | # D: 25.176 MHz, H: 31.469 kHz, V: 59.489 Hz |
| 21:14:36 | Widget | geometry 640 480 640 480 4 |
| 21:14:36 | Widget | timings 39721 48 16 39 8 96 2 |
| 21:14:36 | Widget | rgba 6/0,6/0,6/0,0/0 |
| 21:14:37 | Widget | endmode |
| 21:14:40 | Widget | That's the current mode it's using. |
| 21:14:46 | Patlabor221 | 59 |
| 21:14:48 | Patlabor221 | that's odd |
| 21:14:51 | Cell_prog_insect | what do u mean it does a lot of for 20$, the only cool think about milkshape is that it supports lot of formats, but its a poor pig on editing |
| 21:14:52 | Patlabor221 | and very low |
| 21:14:59 | Widget | How do you change it? |
| 21:15:13 | Patlabor221 | cell it's got full skelital animation, that is a lot |
| 21:15:42 | Patlabor221 | cell: it's no 3ds max but it's a cabable editor with a nice simple interface |
| 21:15:55 | Patlabor221 | cell: and it does decent UV maping. |
| 21:16:13 | Cell_prog_insect | oh, k |
| 21:16:41 | Patlabor221 | widget: I usualy use the XConfigurator thingy, and unless you have a 13inch monitor you can go higher then 640-480 |
| 21:16:51 | Widget | Patlabor221: No, X works fine. |
| 21:16:58 | Widget | Patlabor221: This problem only affects framebuffer consoles. |
| 21:17:03 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:17:12 | Patlabor221 | super ick |
| 21:17:24 | Patlabor221 | they are puting the card in an odd mode then |
| 21:17:35 | Patlabor221 | what's wrong with regular consoles? |
| 21:18:04 | captain_proton | why use framebuffer at all? |
| 21:18:10 | Widget | It's trying to put it in 134.9 87 range. |
| 21:18:15 | Widget | How do I not use framebuffer? |
| 21:18:19 | Widget | Do I have to recompile my kernel? |
| 21:18:36 | captain_proton | you can likely just remove all calls to fbset |
| 21:18:46 | Widget | I just installed fbset. |
| 21:18:52 | Widget | So that isn't the problem. |
| 21:19:09 | Patlabor221 | you can't rebuild the kernal from the console thingy in x? |
| 21:19:22 | Widget | I can, but it's a lot of trouble. |
| 21:19:32 | Patlabor221 | why isn't it the same? |
| 21:19:48 | Widget | I'm using the default kernel that came with Debian. |
| 21:20:39 | Widget | How do you use regular consoles instead? |
| 21:20:47 | Patlabor221 | why is it that every time someone says debian, there are the words "missing" or "problem", or "dosn't work" in the same sentace? |
| 21:21:38 | Patlabor221 | I thought a console was a console was a console |
| 21:21:57 | Patlabor221 | and that you could do anything in one that you can do in another. |
| 21:22:29 | Widget | Hm. |
| 21:22:46 | Patlabor221 | but I known not much about the 'nix things |
| 21:23:05 | Widget | So then what's the problem with the consoles? |
| 21:23:06 | captain_proton | bwahaha, my roommate and i are doing sneaky preprocessor things in canadian.h |
| 21:23:56 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:24:21 | captain_proton | std::cout << "Hello world!", eh? |
| 21:31:08 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey peoplez |
| 21:33:01 | bzdougg | after playing a game for 1 hour, my cpu has yet to rise above 50 |
| 21:33:07 | bzdougg | cool |
| 21:33:19 | SpacemanSpiff | Jzaun just went down :-( |
| 21:33:24 | SpacemanSpiff | Bummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmer |
| 21:33:31 | bzdougg | is away: away! |
| 21:33:43 | bzdougg | lol |
| 21:33:46 | | bzdougg: huh? |
| 21:33:46 | bzdougg | ibot bummer |
| 21:33:49 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 21:34:06 | | OK, bzdougg. |
| 21:34:06 | bzdougg | ibot bummer is <reply> your fault, looooser |
| 21:34:10 | | ibot's fault, looooser |
| 21:34:10 | bzdougg | ibot bummer |
| 21:34:15 | bzdougg | ? |
| 21:34:17 | bzdougg | hahahhaa |
| 21:34:23 | bzdougg | HAHAAHAHA |
| 21:34:37 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 21:34:49 | bzdougg | is away: gone yes gone for a few hours |
| 21:34:52 | SpacemanSpiff | I'll brb guys... pc trouble... must restart |
| 21:36:21 | captain_proton | needs to install bzflag |
| 21:41:29 | bzdougg | *gasp* |
| 21:41:37 | bzdougg | captain_proton is a traitor!!! |
| 21:41:53 | bzdougg | and hes a "develeper" too |
| 21:41:56 | captain_proton | i've got it now :) |
| 21:42:04 | bzdougg | maybe hes a .... SPY!!!! |
| 21:42:09 | bzdougg | :) |
| 21:42:11 | bzdougg | whew |
| 21:42:24 | bzdougg | haaaa, its KaosAgent!!! |
| 21:42:27 | bzdougg | run!!! |
| 21:42:33 | bzdougg | is away: running |
| 21:43:06 | KaosAgent | books a plane to kentucky |
| 21:43:14 | bzdougg | hah |
| 21:43:19 | bzdougg | good luck |
| 21:44:57 | KaosAgent | 6598... |
| 21:45:41 | KaosAgent | that number sound familiar? ;) |
| 21:45:46 | Patlabor221 | why not take the private transport system |
| 21:46:02 | Patlabor221 | there is a military base that's on the payroll near him. |
| 21:46:51 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 21:46:53 | captain_proton | doug is boarding up his windows because...*cackle*...i know where he lives |
| 21:47:05 | bzdougg | cackle? |
| 21:47:13 | bzdougg | hah captain_proton cackles |
| 21:47:16 | Patlabor221 | so do I |
| 21:47:19 | bzdougg | yea yea |
| 21:47:27 | Patlabor221 | and so does the NSA |
| 21:47:29 | bzdougg | when you are gonna ship that drive? |
| 21:47:45 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 21:48:13 | Patlabor221 | when a certan red horned gentalman comes up and say's he has a heating problem in his basement. |
| 21:48:20 | bzdougg | is away: gone, go ahead make my cake, eat it, and barf it over my neighbors |
| 21:48:28 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: hahaha |
| 21:48:48 | Patlabor221 | I haven't been in my hometown till last night |
| 21:49:15 | bzdougg | ah |
| 21:51:09 | captain_proton | just snagged the blender source |
| 22:15:37 | captain_proton | haha that was funny |
| 22:15:52 | captain_proton | dervish was accusing monkey of being a bad person because he was hunting the high scorers |
| 22:29:37 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, seems someone is working on a dreamcast SDL implementation. |
| 22:34:37 | Patlabor221 | bahhh no GL support |
| 22:34:51 | Patlabor221 | someone needs to do a GL to DX wraper |
| 23:10:54 | bh | http://www.v.kth.se/ex00_raf/humor/english/humor_english4.htm |
| 23:10:56 | bh | check that out |
| 23:41:57 | bh | darn angels |