| 00:05:42 | doughecka | grins evily |
| 00:05:54 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 3 hours, 54 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: never [Mon Sep 16 21:11:07 2002] |
| 00:05:54 | doughecka | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 00:06:00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:06:03 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 00:06:03 | doughecka | ibot logs |
| 00:06:59 | doughecka | interesting |
| 00:08:32 | iLLf8d | bbl cya |
| 00:22:32 | doughecka | heya widget! |
| 00:22:36 | doughecka | heyawidget! |
| 00:22:43 | doughecka | [21:25] <doughecka> heya widget! |
| 00:22:43 | doughecka | [21:25] *** Widget (~me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #bzflag |
| 00:22:43 | doughecka | [21:25] <doughecka> heyawidget! |
| 00:22:46 | Widget | hihihi, doughecka. |
| 00:22:49 | doughecka | :P |
| 00:22:50 | Widget | Impressive.... |
| 00:23:33 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:23:41 | doughecka | [21:25] *** Signon by Widget (Widget!me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com, Mask: *!*@*) detected |
| 00:23:41 | doughecka | [21:25] <doughecka> heya widget! |
| 00:23:44 | doughecka | see? |
| 00:23:50 | Widget | Ah. |
| 00:23:54 | Widget | Piffle. |
| 00:24:23 | doughecka | grins |
| 00:24:25 | Widget | doughecka: I'll play you go. |
| 00:24:45 | doughecka | eh? |
| 00:24:49 | Widget | doughecka: I'll play you go. |
| 00:24:53 | doughecka | where? |
| 00:24:56 | doughecka | I can tplay |
| 00:24:59 | doughecka | right now |
| 00:25:13 | doughecka | busy |
| 00:25:15 | doughecka | ;) |
| 00:25:30 | Widget | http://games.yahoo.com/ |
| 00:25:51 | doughecka | go? |
| 00:25:55 | doughecka | chess? |
| 00:26:01 | doughecka | I dunno how to play go |
| 00:26:16 | doughecka | bah |
| 00:26:18 | doughecka | brb |
| 00:26:20 | Widget | You surround pieces to capture them. |
| 00:26:22 | Widget | And you gain territory. |
| 00:26:27 | doughecka | is away: brb |
| 01:38:35 | Widget | . . . |
| 01:44:18 | doughecka | ... |
| 02:13:33 | captain_proton | wants to live in murleyville |
| 02:44:12 | captain_proton | no anchovies? you've got the wrong man. i spell my name...danger |
| 03:06:08 | captain_proton | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:06:11 | captain_proton | is sooooo happy |
| 03:06:15 | captain_proton | i just discovered gdl-dock |
| 03:10:44 | iLLf8d | gdl-dock? |
| 03:10:45 | iLLf8d | wassat |
| 03:11:39 | captain_proton | a dock widget that works like it should |
| 03:11:45 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:12:04 | Widget | Did someone call? |
| 03:12:05 | captain_proton | you can layout items however you like, resize them once they're packed, even put dock items into separate tabs & such :) |
| 03:12:09 | captain_proton | Widget: no |
| 03:28:13 | patlabor221 | are there any widgets that will windowshade? |
| 03:28:22 | patlabor221 | I thought about doing that in mine |
| 03:28:28 | patlabor221 | when they arn't docked |
| 03:31:03 | captain_proton | you mean if they're just floating you can shade? |
| 03:31:09 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:31:15 | captain_proton | any toplevel window can shade (depending on the window manager) |
| 03:31:38 | patlabor221 | very cool |
| 03:35:21 | captain_proton | consult your doctor if you're over 80, pregnant, and operating heavy equipment |
| 03:35:50 | patlabor221 | I'd say any 2 of the 3 |
| 03:37:40 | patlabor221 | man does that Unreal engine look nice |
| 03:39:06 | captain_proton | well its nighttime and its scary |
| 03:39:42 | patlabor221 | dangles the leeeenox version of the demo infront of cap. |
| 03:39:56 | captain_proton | hook me up |
| 03:40:12 | patlabor221 | http://www.unrealtournament2003.com/?downloads |
| 03:40:36 | patlabor221 | and they even released it on the same day as the windows version |
| 03:40:47 | patlabor221 | just an hour later so they could package it up. |
| 03:41:17 | patlabor221 | no mac version yet tho :( |
| 03:46:08 | patlabor221 | but it's got realy nice lighting |
| 03:46:18 | patlabor221 | lots of little details |
| 03:46:27 | patlabor221 | and all sorts of projected texutres |
| 03:46:36 | patlabor221 | and reflections |
| 03:50:28 | patlabor221 | how nice they just relesed a patch and a linux dedicated server |
| 03:56:14 | akira_ | moin all |
| 04:01:30 | captain_proton | 15 minutes left |
| 04:41:32 | patlabor221 | what hapens if you look for a map key that has not been added? |
| 04:44:04 | captain_proton | ? |
| 04:44:41 | patlabor221 | like if I test a std::map<int,bool> |
| 04:44:42 | patlabor221 | if (!m_mHitMap[pTempCell->iID]) |
| 04:44:50 | patlabor221 | what if the ID isn't in the map yet |
| 04:44:54 | patlabor221 | what will that do? |
| 04:46:09 | captain_proton | i dunno |
| 04:47:07 | patlabor221 | I guess I can just do a find |
| 04:48:30 | captain_proton | you could look it up |
| 04:50:35 | patlabor221 | haven't installed MSDN here |
| 04:50:43 | patlabor221 | got a new drive |
| 04:50:45 | patlabor221 | redid os |
| 04:50:58 | captain_proton | http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ |
| 04:51:09 | patlabor221 | I know it's just goonna call a find anyway |
| 04:51:11 | patlabor221 | so I changed it |
| 05:13:43 | captain_proton | waves to MrApathyCream |
| 05:22:30 | MrApathyCream | hmm? |
| 05:45:55 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 06:00:58 | captain_proton | gdl dock is sooooo sexy |
| 06:01:07 | akira_ | what? |
| 06:01:22 | captain_proton | its a set of gtk widgets |
| 06:01:29 | captain_proton | but it does dockable widgets the way they ought to be done |
| 06:01:38 | akira_ | ah |
| 06:01:41 | captain_proton | you can dock them in any layout, into any number of floating windows and/or tabs |
| 06:01:47 | captain_proton | trots off to shower |
| 06:07:08 | MrApathyCream | cappy: ever try laying on the enter key? |
| 06:07:11 | MrApathyCream | (in bz?) |
| 06:16:27 | captain_proton | do it all the time on the 100 shot server :) |
| 07:55:55 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 08:02:21 | bomber | moin |
| 08:08:24 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi bomber |
| 08:52:43 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:52:43 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 09:18:44 | [BZ]Ruudi | someone knows mac? |
| 09:18:58 | Pinguin | i prefer the cheesevurger |
| 09:19:07 | [BZ]Ruudi | burger you mean :P |
| 09:19:13 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 09:19:19 | [BZ]Ruudi | hmm i need to know how to run terminal on mac :P |
| 09:19:36 | Pinguin | Sorry ... |
| 09:20:17 | bomber | Pinguin: nothing to work? |
| 09:20:31 | Pinguin | Still in pretty bad mood :-( |
| 09:21:05 | bomber | i see |
| 09:21:16 | bomber | why ? |
| 09:21:24 | Pinguin | SCHOTTKY DIODES!!! GRRR |
| 09:23:51 | | schottky diodes are reaching cutoff frequencies beyond 10THz |
| 09:23:51 | Pinguin | ibot: schottky diodes? |
| 09:24:06 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 09:28:49 | | Pinguin is hating ibot! |
| 09:28:49 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 09:30:21 | Pinguin | and Schottky Diodes! |
| 09:31:25 | | Pinguin is hating ibot! |
| 09:31:25 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 09:32:06 | | ...but pinguin is hating ibot!... |
| 09:32:06 | bomber | ibot Pinguin is hating ibot and Schottky Diodes |
| 09:32:31 | bomber | ibot help |
| 09:33:39 | | okay, bomber. |
| 09:33:39 | bomber | ibot Pinguin is also hating Schottky Diodes |
| 09:33:47 | | somebody said Pinguin was hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes |
| 09:33:47 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 09:34:09 | Pinguin | YEAH! |
| 09:39:21 | scanline | could use a cheesevurger right now... |
| 09:39:56 | Pinguin | \me is going to have a cheesemurder for lunch |
| 09:44:25 | | aaas: excuse me? |
| 09:44:25 | aaas | ibot - DAmmmn |
| 09:44:29 | | aaas: huh? |
| 09:44:29 | aaas | ibot - oops |
| 09:44:42 | | aaas: excuse me? |
| 09:44:42 | aaas | ibot - DAMMN! |
| 09:44:57 | aaas | darn |
| 09:45:06 | aaas | ok now it dosen't write to ibot |
| 09:45:11 | aaas | anyone listening? |
| 09:45:19 | aaas | good |
| 09:45:26 | aaas | i know you are |
| 09:45:28 | aaas | haha |
| 09:46:38 | aaas | ok if anyone care i d/l 1.8 cvs, tried to complie it with VC++ 6.0 and i get |
| 09:46:42 | | bomber: excuse me? |
| 09:46:42 | bomber | ibot aaas |
| 09:46:55 | aaas | Generating Code... |
| 09:46:55 | aaas | Linking... |
| 09:46:55 | aaas | LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file "vorbis_static.lib" |
| 09:46:55 | aaas | Error executing link.exe. |
| 09:47:14 | IKB | now that's better? |
| 09:47:17 | | OK, bomber. |
| 09:47:17 | bomber | ibot aaas is Generating Code |
| 09:47:23 | | aaas is Generating Code |
| 09:47:23 | bomber | ibot aaas |
| 09:47:36 | IKB | rofl? |
| 09:48:33 | | aaas is probably just an illusion |
| 09:48:33 | IKB | ibot aaas |
| 09:49:25 | bomber | heh |
| 09:50:04 | bomber | is away: lunch |
| 09:51:39 | IKB | now |
| 09:51:47 | IKB | can any1 hellp me? |
| 10:31:14 | bomber | is back (gone 00:41:11) |
| 10:31:27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:31:27 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 11:31:56 | bomber | coffee |
| 11:32:23 | bomber | Pinguin willst du auch :o) |
| 11:33:58 | bomber | Pinguin was machst du? |
| 11:34:12 | | Pinguin was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 54 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: \me is going to have a cheesemurder for lunch [Tue Sep 17 10:39:56 2002] |
| 11:34:12 | bomber | ibot seen Pinguin |
| 12:01:32 | benj | hi there |
| 12:01:37 | doughecka | hello |
| 12:31:16 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 7 hours, 40 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: so I changed it [Tue Sep 17 05:51:11 2002] |
| 12:31:16 | bzdoug | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 12:37:23 | Pinguin | Hey bomber ... our cam's are here ... i'll pick them up NOW! |
| 12:43:56 | bomber | hurra |
| 12:45:05 | bzdoug | ? |
| 12:48:37 | bzdoug | is away: buusy |
| 12:48:57 | sussudio | cams. the plural of cam is cams. not cam's. |
| 12:57:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:57:33 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 13:02:10 | scanline | is away: Spam, spam, spam, scrambled eggs, and spam |
| 13:03:22 | Pinguin | back ... |
| 13:12:33 | doughecka | is away: shcool |
| 13:21:51 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:41) |
| 13:27:56 | Pinguin | bomber: works! but is slow! |
| 13:31:50 | prodan | what |
| 13:32:42 | Pinguin | The logitech WebCam under Linux .... |
| 13:33:23 | prodan | i have a philips |
| 13:33:33 | prodan | toucam pro |
| 13:33:37 | prodan | nice |
| 13:33:44 | prodan | under debian |
| 13:33:58 | prodan | 15fps at 640x480 |
| 13:34:18 | Pinguin | How to set color depth, resoltuion etc ? |
| 13:34:39 | prodan | errr |
| 13:34:43 | prodan | camstream |
| 13:34:49 | Pinguin | ??? what's this??? |
| 13:34:52 | prodan | or gnomemeeting |
| 13:35:05 | Pinguin | Aha ... gnomeeting ... OK |
| 13:35:29 | prodan | camstream: prog for unix philips cams |
| 13:37:45 | Pinguin | Hm two fixed resolutions with gnomemeeting ... |
| 13:37:46 | prodan | Pinguin: which logitech? |
| 13:37:54 | Pinguin | Quickcam Express |
| 13:38:16 | prodan | what about xawtv |
| 13:38:38 | Pinguin | Works ... but makes a beautifull color stripe at the bottom :-) |
| 13:39:02 | prodan | ffmpeg |
| 13:39:26 | Pinguin | ??? what the h... is ffmpeg??? |
| 13:39:45 | prodan | ffmpeg.sourceforge.net |
| 13:39:56 | Pinguin | is it worth it? |
| 13:40:02 | prodan | dunno? |
| 13:40:07 | prodan | ;-) |
| 13:40:18 | prodan | phone |
| 13:40:37 | Pinguin | Do you know mplayer ... i use it to play videos ... great player ... should work with v4l too |
| 13:40:44 | prodan | wait phone |
| 13:42:04 | akira_ | Pinguin: correct |
| 13:42:23 | Pinguin | mplayer? Excellent Player! |
| 13:42:35 | prodan | mplayer rocks |
| 13:42:39 | prodan | and xine |
| 13:42:57 | captain_proton | hahahaha http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~haydenm/pictures/geekchart.gif |
| 13:43:00 | Pinguin | havent tried xine for a long time ... |
| 13:43:49 | prodan | what linux do you use |
| 13:44:02 | Pinguin | redhat 7.3 with a kernel 2.4.19 |
| 13:44:10 | prodan | aha |
| 13:44:25 | prodan | me debian woody/testing |
| 13:44:31 | prodan | with 2.4.18 |
| 13:44:34 | Pinguin | aha |
| 13:44:37 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 13:44:42 | prodan | xine is nice too |
| 13:44:49 | prodan | nice dvd |
| 13:44:51 | Pinguin | but it does not support v4l |
| 13:45:21 | prodan | it does i think |
| 13:45:23 | Pinguin | so ... gnomemeeting can set the resolution ... how can i do it? |
| 13:45:36 | prodan | errrr |
| 13:45:53 | prodan | AFAIR i use camstreem for res setting |
| 13:46:03 | prodan | nwhich only works for phillips |
| 13:46:11 | prodan | nsrry |
| 13:46:12 | Pinguin | OK ... Where to find camstrean? |
| 13:46:18 | Pinguin | ups |
| 13:46:42 | prodan | http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ |
| 13:46:54 | prodan | also works for some logitech |
| 13:47:23 | Pinguin | Hm ... # Logitech QuickCam 3000 ... should be quite close ... |
| 13:47:32 | prodan | dont count on it |
| 13:47:45 | prodan | they change sensors back and forth |
| 13:48:14 | Pinguin | ill try ... |
| 13:49:11 | prodan | pingu? |
| 13:49:23 | prodan | checkout http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/faq/ |
| 13:49:59 | Pinguin | OK ... |
| 13:50:44 | Pinguin | ah ... looks familiar ... that's where i have my driver from :-) |
| 13:51:08 | prodan | ;-) |
| 13:52:27 | Pinguin | Hm ... the pwcx-i386.o module from the camstream site is already compiled and has unresolved symbols :-( |
| 13:52:52 | prodan | part is in the kernel |
| 13:53:02 | prodan | part for hi speed |
| 13:53:15 | Pinguin | ??? |
| 13:53:15 | prodan | nis philips proprior.. software |
| 13:53:24 | prodan | srry |
| 13:53:29 | prodan | again |
| 13:53:43 | prodan | nphilips released a bin driver for high res |
| 13:54:04 | prodan | standard low res driver is in kernel sources |
| 13:54:16 | Pinguin | aha ... |
| 13:59:23 | prodan | were do i find docu for ibot on bzflag irc |
| 14:00:13 | Pinguin | hm ... the only thing i know is to ask ibot ... |
| 14:00:21 | Pinguin | something like: ibot help |
| 14:00:28 | prodan | ibot help |
| 14:00:59 | prodan | like query whatzup on ducati |
| 14:01:07 | prodan | ibot help |
| 14:01:08 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:01:08 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 14:01:23 | prodan | ;_) |
| 14:01:38 | bomber | but seems doesnt work |
| 14:01:39 | | prodan: wish i knew |
| 14:01:39 | prodan | ibot astercity? |
| 14:01:55 | bomber | heh |
| 14:02:10 | | no idea, prodan |
| 14:02:10 | prodan | ibot define Hausdorff topology? |
| 14:02:14 | prodan | nhehe |
| 14:02:26 | | bomber: what? |
| 14:02:26 | bomber | ibot prodan |
| 14:02:38 | Pinguin | hey bomber ... the cam works... |
| 14:02:55 | bomber | ok... |
| 14:03:03 | bomber | but slow or ? |
| 14:03:30 | | it has been said that bomber is playing all the time! |
| 14:03:30 | prodan | ibot bomber? |
| 14:03:38 | | prodan: no idea |
| 14:03:38 | prodan | ibot prodan? |
| 14:03:42 | bomber | prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:03:50 | | OK, bomber. |
| 14:03:50 | bomber | ibot prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:03:52 | Pinguin | two resolutions ... the high resolution is slow and the low resolution is reasonable fast |
| 14:03:59 | | it has been said that prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:03:59 | bomber | ibot prodan |
| 14:04:31 | prodan | elisa? |
| 14:04:43 | | i think Pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes |
| 14:04:43 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 14:04:44 | prodan | wtf is ibot? |
| 14:04:55 | bomber | heh |
| 14:05:08 | bomber | what about schottky diodes Pinguin? |
| 14:05:44 | Pinguin | Grrrrr |
| 14:05:50 | | bomber: i'm not following you... |
| 14:05:50 | bomber | ibot bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:05:53 | prodan | iluminating |
| 14:05:57 | bomber | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:06:04 | bomber | ? |
| 14:06:08 | bomber | hmm |
| 14:06:18 | prodan | any docs on ibot, bomber? |
| 14:06:26 | bomber | ibot help |
| 14:06:32 | prodan | thats all |
| 14:06:47 | prodan | ibot help |
| 14:07:09 | | Pinguin is nothing but an impertinent thimbleful of tickle-brained pond scum. |
| 14:07:09 | bomber | ibot insult Pinguin |
| 14:07:15 | bomber | heh |
| 14:07:33 | | prodan: huh? |
| 14:07:33 | prodan | ibot deaply insult bomber |
| 14:07:45 | | bomber is nothing but a squishy coagulation of beslubbering poopy. |
| 14:07:45 | prodan | ibot insult bomber |
| 14:07:46 | | prodan is nothing but an inferior plate of reeky cat-hair-balls. |
| 14:07:46 | bomber | ibot insult prodan |
| 14:07:56 | bomber | heh |
| 14:08:11 | prodan | i prefer the cat balls |
| 14:08:25 | bomber | without hair? |
| 14:08:35 | prodan | ;-P |
| 14:08:39 | bomber | :o))) |
| 14:08:58 | prodan | now if only i hav irc on my sharp zaurus with gprs |
| 14:09:11 | | Pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes |
| 14:09:11 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 14:09:12 | prodan | would be nice |
| 14:09:29 | bomber | no, Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:09:37 | | ...but pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes... |
| 14:09:37 | bomber | ibot no, Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:09:42 | | ...but pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes... |
| 14:09:42 | bomber | ibot no, Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:09:46 | Pinguin | bomber ... |
| 14:09:49 | | Pinguin is probably hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes |
| 14:09:49 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 14:09:55 | bomber | hesh |
| 14:10:01 | bomber | hm..? |
| 14:10:10 | bomber | Pinguin? |
| 14:10:17 | Pinguin | Ja ... |
| 14:10:20 | | ...but pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes... |
| 14:10:20 | prodan | ibot Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:10:27 | Pinguin | heeeee |
| 14:10:27 | [TeA] | hohohoho |
| 14:10:28 | [TeA] | ich bin da |
| 14:10:29 | [TeA] | hehe |
| 14:10:33 | [TeA] | whatttttttts uppppppppp |
| 14:10:35 | Pinguin | Dont touch ibot!!! |
| 14:10:39 | bomber | ibot help |
| 14:10:40 | [TeA] | bombi prodan und pinguin !!!!! |
| 14:10:41 | | OK, prodan. |
| 14:10:41 | prodan | ibot no Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:10:50 | Pinguin | Grrrrrr |
| 14:10:53 | | Pinguin is hating ibot! or hating Schottky Diodes |
| 14:10:53 | prodan | ibot Pinguin |
| 14:10:59 | prodan | naaaaaaaaarg |
| 14:11:15 | | i guess bomber is playing all the time! |
| 14:11:15 | prodan | ibot bomber |
| 14:11:20 | | you are not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:11:20 | prodan | ibot prodan |
| 14:11:21 | Pinguin | Hahaha |
| 14:11:28 | | well, Pinguin is playing with webcams |
| 14:11:28 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 14:11:37 | bomber | hehe |
| 14:11:38 | prodan | hahahahahah |
| 14:11:42 | Pinguin | Grrrr |
| 14:11:43 | [TeA] | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii @ all ( penguins ) !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:11:48 | | Tea offers a new philosophy in PGP/GPG encrypted e-mails. URL: ftp://ftp.lemuria.org/pub/Code/ |
| 14:11:48 | prodan | ibot TeA |
| 14:11:50 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 20:36:38) |
| 14:11:51 | bomber | hi TEA |
| 14:12:08 | prodan | hello |
| 14:12:48 | | prodan: what? |
| 14:12:48 | prodan | ibot prodan likes the Hausdorff topology |
| 14:12:55 | | prodan: huh? |
| 14:12:55 | prodan | ibot, prodan likes the Hausdorff topology |
| 14:12:59 | | prodan: huh? |
| 14:12:59 | prodan | ibot, prodan likes the Hausdorff topology |
| 14:13:05 | | i think prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:13:05 | prodan | ibot prodan |
| 14:13:09 | | i guess bomber is hard working man :o) |
| 14:13:09 | bomber | ibot bomber |
| 14:13:14 | bomber | n:o))) |
| 14:13:22 | | Tea offers a new philosophy in PGP/GPG encrypted e-mails. URL: ftp://ftp.lemuria.org/pub/Code/ |
| 14:13:22 | [TeA] | ibot TeA |
| 14:13:22 | prodan | hahahaha |
| 14:13:26 | [TeA] | was isn des ????? |
| 14:13:32 | [TeA] | check nichts mehr |
| 14:13:54 | | prodan: sorry... |
| 14:13:54 | prodan | ibot no, prodan likes the Hausdorff topology |
| 14:14:03 | | i think prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin |
| 14:14:03 | prodan | ibot prodan |
| 14:14:08 | | prodan: what? |
| 14:14:08 | prodan | ibot no, prodan likes the Hausdorff topology |
| 14:14:37 | | prodan: sorry... |
| 14:14:37 | prodan | ibot needs a math plugin |
| 14:14:40 | | OK, Pinguin. |
| 14:14:40 | Pinguin | ibot understands only <person> is <something> |
| 14:14:46 | Pinguin | ups |
| 14:14:48 | | hmmm... TeA is asking WAS IST DAS |
| 14:14:48 | bomber | ibot TeA |
| 14:14:51 | PerfectCell | cell |
| 14:14:59 | | cell is the biggest cheat that has now his own 3D math library full off quaternions |
| 14:14:59 | PerfectCell | ibot cell |
| 14:15:06 | [TeA] | lol |
| 14:15:12 | PerfectCell | hehe |
| 14:15:41 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:15:41 | prodan | ibot prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:15:41 | [TeA] | so ein muell hey waaaaaaahnsinn ????!!!!!????!!!! |
| 14:15:47 | | TeA is probably asking WAS IST DAS |
| 14:15:47 | [TeA] | ibot, TeA |
| 14:15:51 | [TeA] | lol |
| 14:15:55 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:15:55 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:00 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:00 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:02 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:02 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:04 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:04 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:08 | Pinguin | hahaha |
| 14:16:10 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:10 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:16 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:16 | prodan | ibot no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:19 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:19 | Pinguin | ibot: no, prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:28 | | ...but prodan is not hating ibot as a Pinguin... |
| 14:16:28 | Pinguin | ibot: prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:16:30 | prodan | ibot ist ein sturer sack |
| 14:16:31 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 14:16:39 | | Chestal: I forgot prodan |
| 14:16:39 | Chestal | ibot: forget prodan |
| 14:16:48 | | [TeA]: huh? |
| 14:16:48 | [TeA] | ibot geht mir dick auf den sack |
| 14:16:58 | | prodan: sorry... |
| 14:16:58 | prodan | ibot prodan |
| 14:17:04 | | OK, prodan. |
| 14:17:04 | prodan | ibot prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondance |
| 14:17:06 | PerfectCell | hahaha |
| 14:17:44 | | TeA is the best player i have ever seen |
| 14:17:44 | bomber | ibot TeA |
| 14:17:44 | | prodan: I forgot prodan |
| 14:17:44 | prodan | ibot forget prodan |
| 14:17:51 | | OK, prodan. |
| 14:17:51 | prodan | ibot prodan is an upperhemicontinuous correspondence |
| 14:18:09 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 14:18:09 | prodan | ibot Chestal |
| 14:18:16 | Pinguin | ibot x en de upperhemicontinuous |
| 14:18:18 | | Pinguin: upperhemicontinuous |
| 14:18:23 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 14:18:27 | bomber | hehe |
| 14:18:44 | bomber | ibot x es en puta |
| 14:18:45 | | bomber: puta |
| 14:18:49 | prodan | oberhemistetig |
| 14:18:53 | bomber | haaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:19:16 | bomber | ibot x es en buenos tardes |
| 14:19:18 | | bomber: good afternoons |
| 14:19:25 | bomber | ngood |
| 14:19:49 | | Pinguin: excuse me? |
| 14:19:49 | Pinguin | ibot es de mofeta |
| 14:19:53 | Pinguin | ibot x es de mofeta |
| 14:19:56 | | Pinguin: * What browser you were using. |
| 14:19:59 | | prodan: excuse me? |
| 14:19:59 | prodan | ibot x de ch guten tag |
| 14:20:08 | prodan | no swiss german? |
| 14:20:09 | bomber | haha |
| 14:20:20 | | [TeA|TrEE]_XP: huh? |
| 14:20:20 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | ibot: du gehst mir auf den sack ;o) |
| 14:20:42 | PerfectCell | can i make ssh remember my password? |
| 14:20:55 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | ibot ist mir eine stufe zu hoch ;) |
| 14:21:31 | | i heard [TeA|TrEE]_XP was hating ibot |
| 14:21:31 | bomber | ibot [TeA|TrEE]_XP |
| 14:21:45 | Pinguin | PC: unlikely as ssh tries to make some security ... |
| 14:22:29 | prodan | perfectcell? |
| 14:22:57 | prodan | checkout http://www.astro.umn.edu/computing/ssh_guide.html |
| 14:23:14 | prodan | under I don't like typing my password so much! |
| 14:23:19 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:23:19 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 14:23:26 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | haha |
| 14:23:34 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | bzbot is ned da |
| 14:23:52 | | sadista is probably a fool |
| 14:23:52 | prodan | ibot sadista? |
| 14:24:15 | | prodan: I forgot sadista |
| 14:24:15 | prodan | ibot forget sadista |
| 14:24:26 | | OK, prodan. |
| 14:24:26 | prodan | ibot, sadista is probably bald |
| 14:24:59 | | hmmm... bzbot is http://heckamangroup.com/old/files/ |
| 14:24:59 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | ibot, bzbot |
| 14:30:39 | patlabor221 | needs a proxy server. |
| 14:32:03 | bzdoug | hey |
| 14:32:11 | bzdoug | for irc? |
| 14:32:15 | patlabor221 | no |
| 14:32:17 | patlabor221 | IM |
| 14:32:23 | bzdoug | ah |
| 14:32:32 | bzdoug | why? |
| 14:32:37 | patlabor221 | so I can get on |
| 14:32:42 | patlabor221 | it's blocked direct here |
| 14:32:49 | bzdoug | ah |
| 14:32:53 | patlabor221 | there's one |
| 14:33:18 | patlabor221 | must out wit the IS guys |
| 14:33:23 | bzdoug | lol |
| 14:33:35 | patlabor221 | not that' it's hard |
| 14:34:29 | bzdoug | why not use the firewall settings? |
| 14:34:33 | bzdoug | in the IM program |
| 14:34:47 | bzdoug | it can connect usiinh http, right? |
| 14:34:48 | patlabor221 | because it's not a firewall ting |
| 14:34:56 | bzdoug | ah |
| 14:34:57 | patlabor221 | the server is blocked |
| 14:35:05 | bzdoug | oh |
| 14:35:06 | patlabor221 | no just on some ports |
| 14:35:08 | patlabor221 | on ALL ports |
| 14:35:21 | bzdoug | wwo |
| 14:35:25 | patlabor221 | out entire company net connection was down last night because they don't know how to work the firewall. |
| 14:35:41 | patlabor221 | for 13 hours we lost web and mail |
| 14:35:43 | bzdoug | lol |
| 14:36:02 | bzdoug | dumb IT? |
| 14:36:07 | patlabor221 | bery |
| 14:36:09 | patlabor221 | very |
| 14:36:19 | patlabor221 | they do not know what a mission critical system is |
| 14:36:20 | bzdoug | haha |
| 14:36:25 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:12:00 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:12:00 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 15:12:59 | patlabor221 | no bzbot today |
| 15:32:36 | bzdoug | lol |
| 15:37:14 | bomber | bye to all |
| 15:40:04 | | d is for dumb |
| 15:40:04 | prodan | ibot bzdoug |
| 15:51:08 | bzdoug | lol |
| 15:52:32 | [TeA|TrEE]_XP | im offline for a few min |
| 15:56:55 | prodan | cu all |
| 16:04:34 | Terminator | hi sniper |
| 16:04:45 | Sniper | Hi :) |
| 16:06:03 | Terminator | is anyone here on the devolping 1.8 |
| 16:06:24 | Chestal | hmm, who is plan b? |
| 16:06:42 | Terminator | i dont know |
| 16:08:24 | Terminator | anyone want to challenge th elite, if so tell me |
| 16:10:31 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 16:10:42 | [BZ]Ruudi | what is the basic thing for java programming? |
| 16:11:12 | Terminator | no a clue |
| 16:12:33 | Sniper | Hi ruudi |
| 16:20:37 | captain_proton | Terminator: elite? |
| 16:20:46 | Terminator | yep |
| 16:21:03 | captain_proton | oh, explain this: <Terminator> is anyone here on the devolping 1.8 |
| 16:21:09 | captain_proton | do you mean working on the code or have a client? |
| 16:21:18 | Terminator | working on the code |
| 16:21:47 | captain_proton | i occasionally wear that hat |
| 16:21:59 | Terminator | what do ya mean? |
| 16:22:06 | patlabor221 | you mean the pink one with the bells? |
| 16:22:14 | patlabor221 | dude that hat makes you look fat |
| 16:22:16 | captain_proton | patlabor221: thats the one |
| 16:22:52 | Terminator | so you two must know each other |
| 16:23:05 | captain_proton | know each other online |
| 16:23:06 | captain_proton | never met |
| 16:23:38 | captain_proton | so, Terminator |
| 16:23:39 | Terminator | then how does he know that hat makes ya look fat |
| 16:23:46 | captain_proton | what do you want to know about 1.8? |
| 16:23:52 | captain_proton | there is no hat - we were being facetious |
| 16:23:57 | patlabor221 | I am psycic |
| 16:24:03 | Chestal | ibot, x en de facetious |
| 16:24:05 | | Chestal: facetious |
| 16:24:09 | | sure thing Chestal |
| 16:24:09 | Chestal | ibot: thanks for nothing |
| 16:24:47 | | captain_proton: huh? |
| 16:24:47 | captain_proton | ibot seems to be developing quite the attitude |
| 16:25:13 | patlabor221 | look at that backtalk |
| 16:25:20 | Terminator | i just wanted to know how the work on 1.8 was going on |
| 16:25:27 | captain_proton | slowly |
| 16:25:30 | captain_proton | very. slowly. |
| 16:25:45 | Chestal | yes, we need somethign to happen so we can gain some momentum |
| 16:25:48 | Chestal | maybe new programmers? |
| 16:26:02 | captain_proton | Chestal: fubb, you're one to talk :P |
| 16:26:04 | Terminator | storm might be able to help u with that |
| 16:26:29 | Chestal | captain: heh, I am not blaming anyone, just thinking about what could help |
| 16:26:30 | captain_proton | perhaps the existing programmers could actually *gasp* do some work on it |
| 16:26:46 | Terminator | lol good idea |
| 16:26:47 | Chestal | I am too busy with my job and playing the game |
| 16:26:57 | captain_proton | i think the biggest help would be if someone could reclaim the physics work crs was doing |
| 16:27:01 | Terminator | stop playing for little while |
| 16:27:04 | doughecka | download UT 2003 linux ISO |
| 16:27:07 | Chestal | what about crs anyway? |
| 16:27:10 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:27:38 | captain_proton | seems pretty busy with the new job |
| 16:27:39 | patlabor221 | he's off doing his lunar linux thing |
| 16:27:39 | Storm | hi all |
| 16:27:46 | captain_proton | patlabor221: thats csm, not crs |
| 16:27:51 | doughecka | lunar? |
| 16:27:53 | patlabor221 | doug it's not an ISO, i'ts a demo |
| 16:27:56 | doughecka | nope |
| 16:28:00 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-17 16:54:38 | UT2003 LiveCD | Talk To a Convicted Warez Guy | XFS merged in Linux 2.5 | Interview With Atari Jaguar creator John Mathieson |
| 16:28:00 | doughecka | ibot slashdot |
| 16:28:02 | doughecka | ISO' |
| 16:28:09 | Terminator | brb |
| 16:28:19 | doughecka | liveCd is linux with UT2003 on it |
| 16:28:23 | doughecka | pop it in and boot off it |
| 16:28:30 | doughecka | and get UT 2003 :) |
| 16:28:36 | doughecka | amazing |
| 16:28:46 | doughecka | and its only 219 meg ISO |
| 16:28:55 | patlabor221 | still it's the demp |
| 16:28:59 | patlabor221 | demo |
| 16:29:04 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:29:11 | Terminator | g2g |
| 16:29:14 | doughecka | cya |
| 16:29:27 | doughecka | I could DCC you the ISO when it gets done |
| 16:29:28 | patlabor221 | why not just ohhh say "install" it? |
| 16:29:31 | captain_proton | the only thing that really depends on new netcode is karma & other listserver operations, but just about all the new stuff we planned depends on having real collision detection |
| 16:29:33 | patlabor221 | why do I want it? |
| 16:29:37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:29:38 | doughecka | dunno |
| 16:29:51 | doughecka | insalling |
| 16:29:52 | doughecka | .. |
| 16:29:53 | patlabor221 | cap: has any decision been made about lighitng? |
| 16:30:01 | doughecka | I also want to give this to my friend |
| 16:30:05 | captain_proton | patlabor221: dynamic lighting? no |
| 16:30:09 | doughecka | hes got a great comp |
| 16:30:27 | captain_proton | i talked with crs a bit and he seemed warm to the idea of multitexture with a fallback to multipass, but nothing was ever formally decided on |
| 16:30:34 | patlabor221 | so... does it have an OS allready? |
| 16:30:48 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:30:50 | doughecka | linux |
| 16:30:53 | doughecka | Gentoo |
| 16:30:54 | patlabor221 | cap: well I'm gonna be doing some stuf with lightmaps then |
| 16:30:55 | doughecka | or soemthin |
| 16:31:08 | patlabor221 | then why do you not install the regular lin demo |
| 16:31:15 | patlabor221 | that ISO is a bootable CD with the OS |
| 16:31:15 | doughecka | and sound drivers and nvidia drivers |
| 16:31:30 | doughecka | cuz its NEAT! |
| 16:31:35 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 16:31:42 | doughecka | its cool to pop in a cd and get a game |
| 16:31:45 | captain_proton | patlabor221: 'some stuff' meaning implementing them in bz? |
| 16:31:48 | doughecka | I want that with bzflag |
| 16:31:52 | patlabor221 | no, experiemnts and stuff |
| 16:31:53 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:32:02 | patlabor221 | but it may be able to be put into BZ |
| 16:32:04 | captain_proton | ah |
| 16:32:05 | patlabor221 | or at least the editor |
| 16:32:16 | doughecka | I got a photo up... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053763746 |
| 16:32:18 | patlabor221 | difrent types of calcs |
| 16:32:43 | captain_proton | radiosity looks the best |
| 16:32:44 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 16:32:54 | patlabor221 | that it does |
| 16:33:03 | patlabor221 | and I hope to learn how it works |
| 16:33:08 | captain_proton | and its a fun algorithm to implement |
| 16:33:19 | patlabor221 | see I don't want fun |
| 16:33:20 | captain_proton | or at least as close to fun as algorithms get |
| 16:33:29 | patlabor221 | see that sounds nasty |
| 16:33:44 | Storm | wot does the algorithm do? |
| 16:33:58 | patlabor221 | calcualtes the lighting values for a special texture called a lightmap |
| 16:34:05 | Storm | ah |
| 16:34:09 | patlabor221 | based on reflections and glows |
| 16:34:15 | Storm | sounds fun *rolleyes* |
| 16:34:18 | patlabor221 | then you blend that with the regular texture |
| 16:34:22 | patlabor221 | and it looks very nice |
| 16:34:39 | patlabor221 | it's the type of ligting quake 3 and all those games do |
| 16:34:44 | Storm | cool |
| 16:34:51 | Storm | well thats beyond me :-) |
| 16:35:07 | patlabor221 | a regular linar calc is easy |
| 16:35:10 | patlabor221 | and looks decent |
| 16:35:20 | captain_proton | radiosity is somewhat like raycasting but it uses 'energy' instead of rays |
| 16:35:27 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:35:30 | patlabor221 | photons |
| 16:35:38 | doughecka | woah |
| 16:35:42 | doughecka | This LiveCD is based off the soon-to-be-released Gentoo Linux 1.4. It's still in testing, so don't expect the cd to be perfect. There are other games released on cds like this though, such as Armagetron, bzflag, and soon to appear, pyDDR. Hopefully gentoo will make some kind of application to automate the building of these things things with other games. |
| 16:35:47 | doughecka | bzflag? |
| 16:36:05 | doughecka | wheres that? |
| 16:36:23 | Storm | is anyone working on bzflag? |
| 16:37:01 | captain_proton | the light source has a certain energy output, which gets reflected around. At the end, you have a bunch of tightly-packed polygons, each with its own energy level - you render a lightmap for each flat surface by interpolating between them |
| 16:37:03 | patlabor221 | wasnt that just asked |
| 16:37:15 | captain_proton | i think it was |
| 16:37:24 | patlabor221 | deja vu |
| 16:37:28 | Storm | i live in the future, i dont know the past :-p |
| 16:37:36 | patlabor221 | where my shotgun |
| 16:37:43 | Storm | in the cupboard |
| 16:37:47 | doughecka | has it |
| 16:38:02 | patlabor221 | doug there are more then one |
| 16:38:07 | doughecka | waves the gun around the room |
| 16:38:19 | doughecka | dont argue with me.. |
| 16:38:20 | captain_proton | kicks doughecka in the head again |
| 16:38:24 | Storm | ok, how are these purple messages being sent? |
| 16:38:29 | doughecka | ducks |
| 16:38:33 | patlabor221 | gets out the baseball bat. |
| 16:38:34 | doughecka | /me dicks |
| 16:38:34 | captain_proton | /me <action> |
| 16:38:44 | Storm | ah |
| 16:38:45 | patlabor221 | ick nasyt man |
| 16:38:47 | captain_proton | dicks? |
| 16:38:49 | doughecka | typo |
| 16:38:53 | doughecka | :Z |
| 16:38:54 | captain_proton | suuuuuuure it was |
| 16:38:57 | patlabor221 | go in your room or someting |
| 16:38:57 | captain_proton | freudian slip |
| 16:39:02 | Storm | nlol |
| 16:39:03 | Storm | testing |
| 16:39:10 | captain_proton | nlol <-- sign of a true bzflagger |
| 16:39:12 | doughecka | raises his shields |
| 16:39:16 | Storm | nhehe |
| 16:39:22 | doughecka | nhaha |
| 16:39:35 | doughecka | goes back out into class |
| 16:39:41 | patlabor221 | but we all know dough is faking |
| 16:39:50 | doughecka | eh? |
| 16:39:59 | doughecka | lowers his shields |
| 16:40:10 | captain_proton | in fact...http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZTopTen.html |
| 16:40:12 | captain_proton | number 1 |
| 16:40:16 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:40:31 | Storm | gtg |
| 16:41:03 | captain_proton | # ( 4) When driving in the city, you have an unexplained fascination with how tall the buildings are. <-- that is SO me |
| 16:41:20 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 16:41:39 | bzdoug | I look in the drains |
| 16:42:06 | bzdoug | woo |
| 16:42:12 | patlabor221 | freak |
| 16:42:13 | bzdoug | 128 kb download |
| 16:42:25 | bzdoug | kbs |
| 16:42:57 | bzdoug | KBs |
| 16:43:00 | bzdoug | whatever |
| 16:43:11 | patlabor221 | wow I've moved up to #2 on the stats list |
| 16:43:26 | bzdoug | from 3 servers... |
| 16:43:48 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ? |
| 16:43:53 | patlabor221 | http://sigkill9.tripod.com/bzflag.html |
| 16:43:58 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 16:44:20 | captain_proton | haha |
| 16:44:29 | captain_proton | ooh i like my quote |
| 16:44:33 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:44:36 | captain_proton | "write yourself a new eww.so " |
| 16:45:18 | bzdoug | I like mine |
| 16:45:35 | patlabor221 | what yuou are not there |
| 16:45:46 | bzdoug | yea |
| 16:45:48 | bzdoug | doughecka |
| 16:46:08 | patlabor221 | yeah all of yours are about you having computer problems |
| 16:46:09 | captain_proton | Is blair stupid or just asking too many questions? 35.7% lines contained a question! |
| 16:46:10 | captain_proton | blaboo didn't know that much either. 30.1% of his/her lines were questions. |
| 16:46:11 | captain_proton | hahahaha |
| 16:46:14 | captain_proton | same person |
| 16:46:21 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:47:01 | captain_proton | trots off to his logic lab |
| 16:47:04 | patlabor221 | cap: you atacked 58 times? |
| 16:47:09 | bzdoug | captain_proton spoke a total of 223677 words! |
| 16:47:10 | bzdoug | captain_proton's faithful follower, Chestal, didn't speak so much: 152311 words. |
| 16:47:28 | bzdoug | woah |
| 16:47:34 | bzdoug | look at bzflags nicknames |
| 16:47:35 | bzdoug | I am in it |
| 16:47:41 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:47:42 | patlabor221 | yeah like 300 times |
| 16:47:48 | patlabor221 | pick a name and stick with it |
| 16:48:29 | bzdoug | haha |
| 16:48:32 | bzdoug | it sees the bz |
| 16:48:36 | bzdoug | ok 4506 DougHecka |
| 16:49:11 | patlabor221 | and don't you have to play the game have "bz" in your name? |
| 16:49:15 | sussudio | can someone give me an explanation of what a "gay map" is supposed to be? |
| 16:49:34 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 16:49:37 | bzdoug | captain_proton always lets us know what he/she's doing: 2528 actions! |
| 16:49:39 | bzdoug | For example, like this: |
| 16:49:41 | bzdoug | Also, vogon_jeltz tells us what's up with 1830 actions. |
| 16:49:46 | patlabor221 | in what context? |
| 16:50:01 | bzdoug | iLLf8d is talking to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 311 times! |
| 16:50:02 | bzdoug | Another lonely one was captain_proton, who managed to hit 207 times. |
| 16:50:04 | bzdoug | PercyMaime has quite a potty mouth. 25% lines contained foul language. |
| 16:50:04 | bzdoug | Tux also makes sailors blush, 15.7% of the time. |
| 16:50:11 | patlabor221 | doug we can read |
| 16:50:22 | patlabor221 | you don't need to tell us again |
| 16:50:24 | bzdoug | oh |
| 16:50:44 | bzdoug | didnt know |
| 16:50:50 | patlabor221 | a map of gay bars and clubs I would guess. |
| 16:50:59 | bzdoug | ok.... |
| 16:51:43 | sussudio | Sensei: where did you get this gay map? |
| 16:52:16 | bzdoug | okkkk |
| 16:52:19 | bzdoug | wierd |
| 16:52:26 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:52:26 | bzdoug | ibot ducati |
| 16:52:27 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:52:33 | bzbott | Server is empty |
| 16:52:35 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 16:52:35 | bzdoug | ibot jzaun |
| 16:52:36 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 16:52:41 | bzbott | Unknown error |
| 16:52:46 | bzdoug | mines slow |
| 16:52:50 | sussudio | bzfquerylong sussudio.dyndns.org 5155 |
| 16:52:53 | bzdoug | odd |
| 16:52:54 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:54:26 | sussudio | anyone want to give their opinion on my third map..... maybe its too deck-ish. |
| 16:54:57 | bzdoug | never |
| 16:55:15 | bzdoug | nothing is ever too deckish |
| 16:55:36 | sussudio | i named it "rock-n-barf" |
| 16:55:49 | bzdoug | ok... |
| 16:55:53 | bzdoug | screenshot... |
| 16:59:34 | sussudio | wow my connection is even suckier than usual today |
| 16:59:39 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:59:50 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/rnb.jpg |
| 17:00:57 | bzdoug | hmm, cool |
| 17:01:28 | sussudio | kinda running out of ideas |
| 17:02:36 | patlabor221 | looks like a set of stadium bleachers |
| 17:02:39 | bzdoug | hehe\ |
| 17:02:50 | sussudio | btw bzedit crashes when you copy a box 139 times in a row and try to reload the map |
| 17:02:58 | patlabor221 | realy |
| 17:03:05 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 17:03:13 | sussudio | i guess it didnt like box 1 copy copy copy copy copy copy |
| 17:03:17 | patlabor221 | I'll look into that when I redo the world stuff |
| 17:03:18 | sussudio | well the line was 605 chars |
| 17:03:18 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:03:19 | sussudio | you get the idea |
| 17:03:30 | patlabor221 | there is a name limit of ether 256 or 512 characters |
| 17:03:40 | patlabor221 | I shall make sure it truncates it |
| 17:03:45 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:03:49 | patlabor221 | or perhaps make it say "copy2" |
| 17:03:53 | sussudio | i made a little map sanitizer |
| 17:03:58 | bzdoug | or just make it say box 256 |
| 17:04:03 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:04:14 | sussudio | it just gives them increasing numbers.... |
| 17:04:21 | patlabor221 | very cool |
| 17:04:22 | sussudio | also saved about 30KB on the mapfile |
| 17:04:28 | bzdoug | hah |
| 17:04:37 | patlabor221 | that would be a good thing for a plugin |
| 17:04:39 | bzdoug | needs trees |
| 17:04:46 | sussudio | hm turbopascal plugin |
| 17:04:46 | bzdoug | tree plugin |
| 17:04:49 | bzdoug | maze plugin |
| 17:04:57 | bzdoug | terrian mapper plugin |
| 17:05:09 | bzdoug | python plugin |
| 17:05:14 | patlabor221 | as long as it can make a DLL then you can use any language |
| 17:05:18 | bzdoug | circular plugin |
| 17:05:32 | sussudio | D....L......L...... |
| 17:05:33 | sussudio | if copy(a,1,10) = '#!name Box' then begin; |
| 17:05:33 | sussudio | inc(box); |
| 17:05:33 | sussudio | a := copy(a,1,10) + '-' + its(box); |
| 17:05:33 | sussudio | end; |
| 17:05:43 | patlabor221 | and for the interped langs, there just needs to be a plugin made that can read the lang and load it |
| 17:06:10 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 17:06:15 | bzdoug | clever are you |
| 17:06:17 | bzdoug | Mmm |
| 17:06:47 | patlabor221 | but right now I am working on gridworld |
| 17:06:51 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 17:07:09 | bzdoug | ... |
| 17:09:09 | patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/gridworld.jpg |
| 17:09:09 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/mapclean.pas |
| 17:09:12 | sussudio | tp rules |
| 17:09:36 | patlabor221 | can it make a DLL? |
| 17:09:51 | sussudio | haha |
| 17:10:08 | sussudio | Turbo Pascal Version 7.0 Copyright (c) 1983,92 Borland International |
| 17:10:15 | patlabor221 | still |
| 17:10:19 | patlabor221 | they had DLLs then |
| 17:10:26 | bzdoug | dat link dont work |
| 17:10:38 | patlabor221 | copy is going for crap |
| 17:10:48 | bzdoug | mmm |
| 17:10:52 | sussudio | i dont think win311 was even out in 92 |
| 17:10:55 | sussudio | wasnt that 93 |
| 17:11:12 | patlabor221 | nt3.5 was |
| 17:11:22 | sussudio | anyway, nobody sane used windows in 92 |
| 17:11:27 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:11:31 | bzdoug | they used DOS! |
| 17:11:35 | sussudio | uh huh. |
| 17:11:37 | sussudio | PC DOS |
| 17:11:42 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 17:11:46 | bzdoug | or BASIC |
| 17:11:51 | sussudio | :-P |
| 17:12:06 | bzdoug | or teletype |
| 17:12:11 | bzdoug | to a mainframe |
| 17:12:16 | patlabor221 | no they did a lot of C |
| 17:12:18 | sussudio | err. |
| 17:12:24 | patlabor221 | there copy done |
| 17:12:27 | sussudio | i had an USR DS in 92 |
| 17:12:36 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:12:43 | sussudio | teletype schmeletype |
| 17:12:45 | patlabor221 | I was in college in 92 |
| 17:12:56 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:13:03 | bzdoug | thats for bzflag? |
| 17:13:04 | sussudio | i still have it actually |
| 17:13:09 | Terminator | hi |
| 17:13:16 | sussudio | lo |
| 17:13:21 | patlabor221 | I could be used for it |
| 17:13:27 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:13:40 | patlabor221 | if bz did grid type spacal partitioning |
| 17:13:51 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:13:52 | patlabor221 | but that's not what it was designed for |
| 17:14:17 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:15:01 | patlabor221 | nice thing is the fact that it's rather fast |
| 17:15:09 | patlabor221 | and can work on any size data set |
| 17:15:13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:15:18 | sussudio1 | fucking isp |
| 17:15:34 | patlabor221 | and it dosn't need to touch each node in the map |
| 17:15:38 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:15:46 | bzdoug | that would be nice code for robotics |
| 17:16:01 | bzdoug | for mazes and stuff |
| 17:16:03 | patlabor221 | it's just a variation of a raycaster |
| 17:16:10 | patlabor221 | how |
| 17:16:17 | patlabor221 | I just calcs what's visible |
| 17:16:24 | patlabor221 | dosn't solve it or anything |
| 17:16:29 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:16:51 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:16:56 | bzdoug | would be cool for bzbots |
| 17:17:35 | sussudio | maybe i need to reset the CrapModem <tm> |
| 17:17:59 | bzdoug | hah |
| 17:18:08 | Terminator | c ya all i think i will go and bzflag |
| 17:18:15 | bzdoug | cya |
| 17:19:28 | patlabor221 | why for bots? |
| 17:19:40 | patlabor221 | they have radar they know where everything is |
| 17:20:13 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:20:24 | patlabor221 | it is just a visibility calc |
| 17:30:34 | bzdoug | heya bzflag |
| 17:35:18 | bzdoug | heya heya |
| 17:35:34 | heya | hello doug :) |
| 17:52:49 | doughecka | patlabor221: did you ship that drive? I have a note that I have smoething down at the post office... |
| 17:54:57 | Terminator | wh is BZFlag |
| 17:55:03 | Terminator | who* |
| 17:55:40 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:55:44 | doughecka | tim riker |
| 17:55:52 | Terminator | cool |
| 17:55:56 | | it has been said that bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 17:55:56 | BZFlag | ibot: bzflag |
| 17:56:04 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:56:10 | doughecka | heya BZFlag |
| 17:56:14 | jzaun | is here |
| 17:56:23 | Terminator | hmm i have 2 go now, guess i wasnt here for long |
| 17:56:27 | Terminator | c ya |
| 17:56:31 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:56:31 | doughecka | cya |
| 17:56:53 | BZFlag | dang, I missed saying cya heya |
| 17:57:20 | jzaun | Hey BZFlag |
| 17:57:46 | BZFlag | heya jzaun |
| 17:57:59 | doughecka | hey BZFlag! |
| 17:58:03 | jzaun | How you been? |
| 17:58:25 | BZFlag | busy |
| 17:58:35 | jzaun | Thats no fun.... |
| 17:58:54 | doughecka | let me try this again... |
| 17:59:05 | doughecka | greetings BZFlag! |
| 17:59:08 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:00:52 | jzaun | iLLf8d!!!! Welcome |
| 18:01:27 | iLLf8d | greetings |
| 18:01:29 | iLLf8d | just got home heh |
| 18:01:31 | iLLf8d | I got a 12:00am call too |
| 18:01:46 | jzaun | iLLf8d: sucks, what needed painted? |
| 18:01:52 | iLLf8d | ut2003 looks tasty |
| 18:01:58 | iLLf8d | more wallpaper =P |
| 18:02:25 | iLLf8d | easy stuff this time tho |
| 18:02:37 | jzaun | Thats good at least |
| 18:03:38 | doughecka | iLLf8d: you want the UT 2003 ISO that boots into linux? |
| 18:03:39 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:03:45 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-17 18:38:38 | Charles Simonyi leaves Microsoft | Drink Pepsi, Go to Space? | UT2003 LiveCD | Talk To a Convicted Warez Guy |
| 18:03:45 | doughecka | ibot slashdot |
| 18:03:54 | doughecka | UT2003 LiveCD |
| 18:04:11 | doughecka | very neat |
| 18:04:34 | doughecka | includes linux and UT2003, you pop it in, and it boots into UT2003.... |
| 18:04:34 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:05:13 | jzaun | UT2003? |
| 18:05:18 | doughecka | ea |
| 18:05:19 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:05:28 | jzaun | UT2003? |
| 18:05:31 | jzaun | as in what is it? |
| 18:05:39 | iLLf8d | can I run it in linux? |
| 18:05:46 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:05:51 | doughecka | iLLf8d: yea |
| 18:05:54 | iLLf8d | I'm planning on putting up a wintendo box |
| 18:05:56 | iLLf8d | ooooo |
| 18:05:57 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 18:05:59 | doughecka | jzaun: a shoot-em-up game |
| 18:06:07 | iLLf8d | you have an iso url? |
| 18:06:09 | doughecka | iLLf8d: you want the ISO? |
| 18:06:12 | jzaun | doughecka: you mailling out cd's of it? |
| 18:06:13 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 18:06:17 | doughecka | DCC? |
| 18:06:19 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:06:20 | iLLf8d | tho I'll get sidetracked |
| 18:06:21 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 18:06:23 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 18:06:26 | iLLf8d | how fast is your up? |
| 18:06:27 | doughecka | I got it in record time today |
| 18:06:32 | doughecka | hmm, dunno |
| 18:06:35 | doughecka | lets test it... |
| 18:06:35 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:06:42 | iLLf8d | can I resume dcc? |
| 18:06:53 | doughecka | no |
| 18:06:59 | doughecka | oops |
| 18:07:00 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:07:02 | doughecka | um |
| 18:07:08 | doughecka | check out /. for mirrors |
| 18:07:38 | doughecka | the ISO is basicly gentoo linux bootable CD and UT2003 installed |
| 18:07:56 | doughecka | so its not the "real" thing |
| 18:08:22 | iLLf8d | oh as long as it plays who cares |
| 18:08:28 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:08:31 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:08:38 | doughecka | well, some people have mirrors up |
| 18:08:41 | doughecka | on /. |
| 18:08:45 | doughecka | check them out |
| 18:09:33 | doughecka | ack |
| 18:09:36 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 18:09:36 | doughecka | is away: busy |
| 18:09:43 | iLLf8d | says its maxed out |
| 18:09:49 | iLLf8d | hey that dcc isn't working? |
| 18:09:49 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:09:53 | iLLf8d | must be your end |
| 18:09:54 | doughecka | nope |
| 18:09:55 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:09:58 | doughecka | k |
| 18:10:00 | doughecka | have to go... |
| 18:10:03 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 18:15:03 | bzdoug | mmm |
| 18:18:04 | bzdoug | k |
| 18:38:44 | patlabor221 | is now the proud owner of a statalete dish |
| 18:42:15 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:42:21 | bzdoug | congrats |
| 18:42:35 | patlabor221 | I get the crawl on the roof today |
| 18:42:43 | bzdoug | heh |
| 18:43:28 | bzdoug | hey, did you get that drive out? I have a note from the mail man saying I have a package down at the post office... |
| 18:44:07 | bzdoug | . . . |
| 18:44:25 | patlabor221 | no |
| 18:44:29 | patlabor221 | and it would go UPS |
| 18:44:38 | patlabor221 | I don't trust the post office |
| 18:44:47 | patlabor221 | I'll get it out tomrow |
| 18:45:02 | bzdoug | ah, p |
| 18:45:02 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:45:11 | bzdoug | dont trust the post office? |
| 18:45:16 | bzdoug | why? |
| 18:45:25 | patlabor221 | for packages |
| 18:45:25 | bzdoug | UPS has there share of tossing around |
| 18:45:32 | patlabor221 | UPS is cheaper and you get tracking |
| 18:45:33 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:45:39 | bzdoug | oh, right |
| 18:48:05 | patlabor221 | damned cartesian croordinate systems |
| 18:48:08 | bzdoug | wonders why PS/2 plugs have an arrow on them, even though the outlets are turned in all directions... |
| 18:48:24 | patlabor221 | to show the flat side |
| 18:48:24 | bzdoug | maybe to show which end goes in there? |
| 18:48:55 | bzdoug | yea, but you still have to rotate them around to find the right place |
| 18:49:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: food time |
| 18:49:33 | bzdoug | is now the proad owner of a UT2003 demo/linux ISO |
| 18:49:48 | patlabor221 | it's a realy good game |
| 18:49:52 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:50:03 | bzdoug | I still have not played UT yet |
| 18:50:07 | bzdoug | but I read all the help |
| 18:50:16 | bzdoug | the teleport thingy sounds like fun |
| 18:50:21 | patlabor221 | not played it? why |
| 18:50:25 | patlabor221 | the translocator? |
| 18:50:26 | bzdoug | busy |
| 18:50:31 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:50:31 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 18:51:03 | bzdoug | would be cool to blast out of a fight and leave them standing there... |
| 18:51:09 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:51:27 | bzdoug | just disapear in front of a rocket or somethin |
| 18:51:34 | bzdoug | is that possible? |
| 18:51:57 | patlabor221 | if you have set the recever somewhere before |
| 18:52:03 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:52:09 | patlabor221 | and can switch weps fast engouht |
| 18:52:15 | bzdoug | like home base or up top somethin.. |
| 18:52:17 | bzdoug | well |
| 18:52:20 | patlabor221 | but if someone sees your recever |
| 18:52:27 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:52:28 | patlabor221 | they can hit it |
| 18:52:30 | bzdoug | they can shoot it |
| 18:52:32 | patlabor221 | and it will break |
| 18:52:36 | bzdoug | and blow me up when I use it |
| 18:52:36 | patlabor221 | and you will gib |
| 18:52:38 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:53:03 | bzdoug | I am gonna rebind my keys... |
| 18:53:10 | bzdoug | so I dont have a wep switch |
| 18:53:23 | bzdoug | all I have to do is his 1-9 and switch weps that way |
| 18:53:27 | bzdoug | his/hit |
| 18:53:45 | bzdoug | and change the arrows to w a s d |
| 18:54:06 | bzdoug | I like the feint death thing |
| 18:54:24 | bzdoug | in team fortrass it had them |
| 18:54:45 | bzdoug | if you where a spy, you could change team color, and feint death |
| 18:54:56 | bzdoug | then walk right in with the flag |
| 18:54:57 | patlabor221 | use the wheel to change weps |
| 18:55:02 | bzdoug | wheel? |
| 18:55:03 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:55:17 | patlabor221 | and it should have wads as the secondary setup |
| 18:55:19 | bzdoug | good idea, but I like hitting a button to change to that wep |
| 18:55:23 | patlabor221 | you shouldn't ahve to change things |
| 18:55:23 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:55:35 | patlabor221 | and you can still use 1-9 |
| 18:55:38 | patlabor221 | that's default |
| 18:55:47 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 18:55:47 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:55:47 | bzdoug | cool |
| 18:55:51 | patlabor221 | just play it |
| 18:56:03 | bzdoug | after changing the arrow keys.. |
| 18:56:03 | patlabor221 | it's not like it's a disertation or anything, you just shoot people |
| 18:56:07 | patlabor221 | and they blow up |
| 18:56:10 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:56:22 | patlabor221 | you shouldn't have to add wads in there |
| 18:56:25 | patlabor221 | should be allready there |
| 18:56:32 | patlabor221 | it works with both |
| 18:56:35 | bzdoug | wads? |
| 18:56:41 | patlabor221 | WASD |
| 18:56:45 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:57:00 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:57:13 | patlabor221 | that's the only way to play |
| 18:57:21 | bzdoug | now do ALL mp games have bots? |
| 18:57:22 | patlabor221 | or with a game pad for moveing |
| 18:57:26 | patlabor221 | no not all |
| 18:57:30 | bzdoug | or only certain servers... |
| 18:57:30 | patlabor221 | tribes dosn't |
| 18:57:33 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:57:36 | patlabor221 | ohh in UT |
| 18:57:42 | patlabor221 | it's up to the server admin |
| 18:58:02 | patlabor221 | in 2k3 you tell it the minimum player count and it fills in the rest with bots |
| 18:58:10 | bzdoug | cool |
| 18:58:19 | patlabor221 | yeah so you allways have even teams |
| 18:58:31 | bzdoug | k |
| 18:58:47 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:58:49 | patlabor221 | real person joins then a bot goes away |
| 18:58:58 | bzdoug | neato |
| 18:59:11 | bzdoug | how good are bots? |
| 18:59:18 | patlabor221 | depends on there setings |
| 18:59:25 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:59:29 | patlabor221 | on adept they give us a run for our money |
| 18:59:31 | bzdoug | good better best? |
| 18:59:33 | bzdoug | perfect? |
| 18:59:34 | bzdoug | :P |
| 18:59:39 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 18:59:41 | patlabor221 | no there are like 7 levels |
| 18:59:48 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:59:53 | patlabor221 | I fear to put them on expert or godlike |
| 18:59:57 | bzdoug | I read most of the help pages... |
| 19:00:01 | bzdoug | godlike? |
| 19:00:02 | bzdoug | wow |
| 19:00:07 | patlabor221 | they work together on team stuff |
| 19:00:13 | bzdoug | neat |
| 19:00:21 | bzdoug | better than other bots I have seen |
| 19:00:57 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:01:04 | bzdoug | where is unrealED? |
| 19:01:09 | patlabor221 | in the app dir |
| 19:01:13 | patlabor221 | system folder |
| 19:01:18 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:01:27 | patlabor221 | patch first tho, it will update unreal ed |
| 19:01:31 | patlabor221 | to a better version |
| 19:01:45 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:01:46 | patlabor221 | and get the 4 free extras packs |
| 19:01:51 | bzdoug | I installed EVERYTHING... |
| 19:01:52 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:02:11 | bzdoug | I also got the game of the year edition... whats diferent about that? |
| 19:02:11 | patlabor221 | you downloaded the expansions? |
| 19:02:14 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:02:18 | patlabor221 | all 4? |
| 19:02:19 | bzdoug | all four |
| 19:02:26 | patlabor221 | good |
| 19:02:27 | patlabor221 | I dono |
| 19:02:30 | bzdoug | exept number 1 |
| 19:02:37 | patlabor221 | ohhh #1 is the best part of it |
| 19:02:39 | bzdoug | the goty includes 1 |
| 19:02:45 | patlabor221 | ok good |
| 19:02:51 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:02:53 | patlabor221 | CTF-Niven is the best |
| 19:02:58 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:03:02 | bzdoug | I like CTF games |
| 19:03:09 | bzdoug | I dont like DM much |
| 19:03:33 | bzdoug | I like Team games |
| 19:03:39 | patlabor221 | when it takes a team of 6 humans 2 hours to beat 6 bots. |
| 19:03:43 | patlabor221 | that's a good game |
| 19:03:47 | bzdoug | haha |
| 19:03:53 | bzdoug | 2hours? |
| 19:03:54 | bzdoug | wow |
| 19:04:01 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:04:26 | bzdoug | can there be bot against bot? |
| 19:04:27 | patlabor221 | and it edned 3-2 |
| 19:04:33 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:04:37 | bzdoug | like a server full of bots? |
| 19:04:39 | bzdoug | no people? |
| 19:04:42 | patlabor221 | we often played 6 on 6 |
| 19:04:44 | bzdoug | just observers? |
| 19:04:47 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:04:48 | bzdoug | neat |
| 19:04:50 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:05:05 | bzdoug | I would like to see 6v6 bot war |
| 19:05:07 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:05:08 | patlabor221 | we ould do 6 on 6 teams with only 3 people on each team |
| 19:05:17 | patlabor221 | jsut watching is booring |
| 19:05:23 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 19:05:28 | bzdoug | unless you never played |
| 19:05:36 | patlabor221 | it's not that hard |
| 19:05:41 | patlabor221 | and it's got a tutorial |
| 19:05:44 | patlabor221 | run that |
| 19:05:45 | bzdoug | what maps are all out in the open and daylight? |
| 19:05:53 | patlabor221 | bot half of them |
| 19:05:58 | patlabor221 | bout not bot |
| 19:06:05 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:06:17 | patlabor221 | often it's mixed |
| 19:06:23 | patlabor221 | in the same map |
| 19:06:25 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:06:46 | bzdoug | I just dont like running around inside buildings much |
| 19:06:52 | bzdoug | too crowded |
| 19:07:12 | patlabor221 | well CTF-Niven is all inside |
| 19:07:16 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:07:17 | patlabor221 | but it's not crowded |
| 19:07:22 | patlabor221 | not at all |
| 19:07:23 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:07:37 | bzdoug | is there anyway to turn off some of the settings? to make it go faster? |
| 19:07:47 | patlabor221 | just try the damned thing |
| 19:07:52 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:07:55 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:07:58 | patlabor221 | not rocket science here |
| 19:08:02 | bzdoug | well |
| 19:08:16 | bzdoug | it says a 300 mhz comp with a gf card is pretty good |
| 19:08:24 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:08:25 | patlabor221 | you should be fine |
| 19:08:35 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:09:13 | bzdoug | what is the sys req for UT2003? |
| 19:09:21 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 19:09:27 | patlabor221 | but a LOT more |
| 19:09:30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:09:42 | patlabor221 | I am guesing at least a GF3 or a radion 7000 |
| 19:09:48 | patlabor221 | and at least a giger |
| 19:09:54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:10:00 | patlabor221 | and 256 megs of ram |
| 19:10:01 | doughecka | it says the GF2mx are OK |
| 19:10:15 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 19:10:15 | patlabor221 | proalby won't get the projectiors then |
| 19:10:17 | patlabor221 | but yeah |
| 19:10:26 | doughecka | what is pixal shading? |
| 19:10:44 | doughecka | I mean, what does it DO? |
| 19:10:51 | doughecka | I hear its good looking |
| 19:10:59 | patlabor221 | remember the halo3 trailer? |
| 19:11:02 | doughecka | but I never seen a side by side comparison |
| 19:11:05 | doughecka | no |
| 19:11:09 | doughecka | never downloaded it |
| 19:11:11 | doughecka | :Z |
| 19:11:21 | patlabor221 | it's not something that you turn on or off |
| 19:11:29 | patlabor221 | it allows all types of efects |
| 19:11:32 | doughecka | oof |
| 19:11:34 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:11:36 | patlabor221 | like bump maping |
| 19:11:42 | patlabor221 | and things that glow |
| 19:11:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:11:47 | patlabor221 | and per pixel lighting |
| 19:11:51 | patlabor221 | and all sorts of things |
| 19:11:53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:12:10 | patlabor221 | the applicaiton can program the shaders to do what ever it wants |
| 19:12:18 | doughecka | neat |
| 19:12:32 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:12:33 | doughecka | well |
| 19:12:47 | doughecka | let me hibernate and check out this UT2003 demo on cd |
| 19:13:07 | doughecka | one guy said he got it workin on a 333 mhz celly with a GF4ti |
| 19:13:14 | doughecka | and 256 ram |
| 19:13:21 | doughecka | so... here I go.. |
| 19:13:22 | patlabor221 | at a lower res sure |
| 19:13:26 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:13:28 | doughecka | 650 |
| 19:13:28 | patlabor221 | I was runing it at 1280 |
| 19:13:31 | doughecka | somethin |
| 19:13:32 | patlabor221 | 640 |
| 19:13:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:13:41 | doughecka | but he said it was |
| 19:13:43 | doughecka | choppy |
| 19:13:47 | patlabor221 | it would be |
| 19:13:49 | doughecka | but he was gonna try it lower |
| 19:13:54 | doughecka | 320 or somethin |
| 19:13:55 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:13:57 | doughecka | brb |
| 19:14:01 | patlabor221 | the CPU would not send it anything that fast |
| 19:14:06 | patlabor221 | it cna't fo 320 |
| 19:14:13 | doughecka | pressing ybernatee butten now |
| 19:14:16 | PerfectCell | i just wonder how big a pixel shader prog should be to be executed fast on the hardware, few ops |
| 19:14:44 | patlabor221 | yes but it realy depends on how many units you are using |
| 19:14:55 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 19:14:56 | patlabor221 | you can get them going in paralell if you want |
| 19:15:35 | PerfectCell | i mean real phong shading would require to transform each pixel back to eye space |
| 19:15:51 | PerfectCell | and lit it with the interpolatet normal |
| 19:15:59 | PerfectCell | at that pixel |
| 19:16:03 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:16:13 | patlabor221 | but you get a vector unit to help you do that |
| 19:16:44 | patlabor221 | for what you get I don't know if phong is worth it |
| 19:16:53 | PerfectCell | i thought pixel shaders can only do a fake phong shading |
| 19:16:55 | patlabor221 | I'd rather use the shaders for things like butmp maps and highlights |
| 19:17:06 | patlabor221 | it's sorta fake |
| 19:17:15 | patlabor221 | psudophong |
| 19:17:25 | PerfectCell | when the light is directional, they do just a dot product at each pixel with the normal |
| 19:17:33 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:17:49 | PerfectCell | but it yelds good results |
| 19:18:50 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 19:19:25 | patlabor221 | the halo2 trailer show a good example of what can be done with them |
| 19:19:26 | captain_proton | yay |
| 19:19:31 | captain_proton | got AC3 passthrough on my speakers working |
| 19:19:31 | patlabor221 | yay? |
| 19:19:44 | patlabor221 | get your sound card yet? |
| 19:19:50 | captain_proton | yeah last night |
| 19:19:59 | patlabor221 | very cool |
| 19:20:00 | PerfectCell | i cant watch it cause i do have only greforce2 mx :( |
| 19:20:20 | patlabor221 | cell: it's a movie |
| 19:20:26 | captain_proton | sits here bathing in full digital sound |
| 19:20:27 | PerfectCell | url? |
| 19:20:48 | patlabor221 | http://halo.bungie.org/misc/halo2trailermirrors.html |
| 19:20:53 | PerfectCell | thanks |
| 19:21:01 | patlabor221 | many difrent formats there |
| 19:21:02 | captain_proton | damn this sounds cool |
| 19:21:10 | patlabor221 | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:22:15 | captain_proton | full control over treble and bass for each speaker =D |
| 19:22:32 | patlabor221 | it is a nice card |
| 19:22:49 | captain_proton | emu-dspmgr is lubly |
| 19:23:07 | patlabor221 | it had all the right outputs you wanted right? |
| 19:23:15 | captain_proton | exactly what i wanted |
| 19:23:20 | captain_proton | same outputs as my old card did |
| 19:23:26 | captain_proton | but i can actually use them |
| 19:23:29 | patlabor221 | what did you ahve before? |
| 19:23:34 | captain_proton | turtle beach santa cruz |
| 19:23:38 | patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 19:23:47 | patlabor221 | yeah that card had "interesting" support |
| 19:23:51 | captain_proton | now i've got that running into my roommate's line in, to do the room-wide stereo |
| 19:24:26 | patlabor221 | now if only you could get all the windows in the building to vibrate to the sound too |
| 19:24:30 | patlabor221 | ohh wait you can |
| 19:24:52 | patlabor221 | you need some soundbugs for that tho |
| 19:25:03 | captain_proton | so i wrote an audio player that sends the right channel to /dev/sound/dsp, ogain'ed treble to /dev/sound/dsp1, and left channel to /dev/sound/dsp2 :) |
| 19:26:40 | captain_proton | damn, i thought my speakers sounded good before |
| 19:26:44 | patlabor221 | not knowing what that means I will say "ahhh" |
| 19:27:18 | captain_proton | the sb card has 2 dsps which i've split to send to front and back speakers, and dsp2 is the turtle beach card which is lined to my roommate's speakers |
| 19:27:20 | captain_proton | <grin> |
| 19:27:34 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 19:27:52 | patlabor221 | ive no clue how sound works on de leenox |
| 19:28:13 | captain_proton | obviously :) |
| 19:28:20 | patlabor221 | I could do the same thing in winamp with some plugins |
| 19:28:52 | patlabor221 | my friend just learned that you can have multile cards in the same system |
| 19:29:12 | captain_proton | multiple cards works in windows no? |
| 19:29:13 | patlabor221 | he was so excited that he could get 4 chanels our to his mixer |
| 19:29:19 | patlabor221 | and 2 midi ports |
| 19:29:33 | patlabor221 | syre |
| 19:29:34 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:29:50 | patlabor221 | usualy a player just picks one |
| 19:29:59 | patlabor221 | and you set a perfered device for the OS |
| 19:30:08 | patlabor221 | but there are APIs to get them all |
| 19:30:22 | captain_proton | considers setting up midi w/ soundfonts under leenoox |
| 19:30:48 | jzaun | anyone know of an app to change my gnome2 background every 20 min? |
| 19:31:05 | patlabor221 | yeah I am keep trying to explain to the music guys here what DSS and sound fonts are |
| 19:31:16 | patlabor221 | won't it do that normaly? |
| 19:31:32 | captain_proton | its got the midi device |
| 19:31:32 | patlabor221 | my KDE does that |
| 19:31:42 | captain_proton | but there's some specialness that needs to be done to support soundfonts |
| 19:31:47 | jzaun | patlabor221: not that I can find |
| 19:31:48 | captain_proton | or at least there was about a year ago |
| 19:33:39 | captain_proton | finishes off a frozen pizza |
| 19:34:36 | patlabor221 | burns the 5th disk of .net pro edition. |
| 19:35:16 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:35:20 | doughecka | that was cooool |
| 19:35:24 | patlabor221 | ?!? |
| 19:35:24 | PerfectCell | oh i burned all of enterprise architect |
| 19:35:34 | doughecka | ut2003 was amazing |
| 19:35:38 | patlabor221 | that it is |
| 19:35:39 | doughecka | wonderfull grafics |
| 19:35:47 | doughecka | and i typed in 3 commands |
| 19:35:48 | patlabor221 | that it does |
| 19:35:50 | PerfectCell | looks like a intro |
| 19:35:57 | doughecka | network card, sound card, and x-setup |
| 19:36:03 | doughecka | and I was at the GUI |
| 19:36:09 | doughecka | truly amazing |
| 19:36:12 | patlabor221 | imagine it in windows, where it just runs |
| 19:36:26 | doughecka | I played online with it too |
| 19:36:32 | doughecka | very fun game |
| 19:36:33 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:36:47 | doughecka | it just runs in linux too |
| 19:36:55 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 19:37:05 | patlabor221 | epic knows what they are doing |
| 19:37:15 | doughecka | yea, and gentoo runs smoothly |
| 19:37:21 | doughecka | takes a while to boot off a CD |
| 19:37:27 | doughecka | and load UT |
| 19:37:28 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:37:29 | patlabor221 | not too shabby for a comany that was making crap 2d games 8 years ago |
| 19:37:39 | doughecka | but once its all loaded, I got pretty goo dFPS |
| 19:37:46 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:38:21 | doughecka | now all we need is a bzflag CD |
| 19:38:22 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:39:34 | doughecka | /join #gentoo |
| 19:39:38 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:41:57 | patlabor221 | now that is a BFM |
| 19:41:57 | patlabor221 | http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130929 |
| 19:42:15 | captain_proton | BFM? |
| 19:42:26 | doughecka | CPU: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 733MHz processor (*Pentium® or AMD 1.0 GHz or greater RECOMMENDED) |
| 19:42:28 | captain_proton | <Guest> I NEED A TROJAN THAT CANN'T BE DETECTED BY NORTON |
| 19:42:28 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> you're so inept you can't even find a trojan? |
| 19:42:28 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> wtf do you want a trojan for? |
| 19:42:28 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> i'll make it multiple choice |
| 19:42:28 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> (a) to fuck with your friends' computers |
| 19:42:29 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> (b) to find out if your girlfriend/boyfriend/other is cheating on you or get back at them |
| 19:42:33 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> (c) get "revenge" on some mysterious hacker who has chosen you as a target for absolutely no reason |
| 19:42:36 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> which is it? |
| 19:42:36 | patlabor221 | first word large |
| 19:42:38 | captain_proton | <Guest> B |
| 19:42:42 | patlabor221 | last world missle |
| 19:42:50 | doughecka | Video System: 3D Accelerator card with 16 MB VRAM (*32-128 MB VRAM RECOMMENDED) 16 MB TNT2-class DirectX® version 6 compliant video card. (*NVIDIA GeForce 2/ATI Radeon RECOMMENDED) |
| 19:43:01 | doughecka | so it runs fine with the gf2mx400 |
| 19:43:15 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 19:43:23 | patlabor221 | it won't use shaders |
| 19:43:29 | patlabor221 | so somet things may be disabled |
| 19:43:36 | patlabor221 | like the light prjectors |
| 19:43:40 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:43:43 | doughecka | but who cares? |
| 19:43:44 | patlabor221 | and the reflections |
| 19:43:49 | doughecka | I like the way it looks now |
| 19:43:50 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:43:52 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:43:55 | patlabor221 | they loooooookkk puuuuurrrdddddyyyyyyy |
| 19:43:56 | doughecka | neat grafics! |
| 19:44:10 | doughecka | is that hack for UT? |
| 19:44:14 | doughecka | or UT2003? |
| 19:44:38 | patlabor221 | 2k3 |
| 19:44:44 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:44:46 | patlabor221 | to show what the redemer will look like |
| 19:44:57 | doughecka | oh |
| 19:44:59 | patlabor221 | you normaly can't get it in the demo |
| 19:45:03 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:45:07 | doughecka | but how do I get it in UT? |
| 19:45:12 | patlabor221 | pick it up |
| 19:45:17 | doughecka | is there a cheat that I can use for SP versions? |
| 19:45:21 | patlabor221 | its a wep in lots of maps |
| 19:45:24 | patlabor221 | for what? |
| 19:45:24 | doughecka | so I can see what it looks like? |
| 19:45:28 | doughecka | redemer |
| 19:45:30 | patlabor221 | no just play the game |
| 19:45:33 | patlabor221 | its in there |
| 19:45:41 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:45:44 | patlabor221 | most maps have it |
| 19:45:54 | patlabor221 | it's just not in the 2k3 demp |
| 19:46:07 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:46:12 | patlabor221 | so they wanted to see what the new redermer looked like |
| 19:46:24 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:46:28 | doughecka | very cool looking |
| 19:47:08 | doughecka | how do IGet the teleport? |
| 19:47:14 | doughecka | thingy? |
| 19:47:18 | doughecka | do I have to pick it up? |
| 19:48:55 | patlabor221 | you allways have it |
| 19:48:59 | doughecka | oh |
| 19:48:59 | patlabor221 | its a wep |
| 19:49:01 | doughecka | how do I use it? |
| 19:49:02 | doughecka | pol |
| 19:49:03 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:49:06 | doughecka | un UT |
| 19:49:07 | patlabor221 | swithc to it |
| 19:49:10 | doughecka | how about UT2003? |
| 19:49:11 | patlabor221 | fire it |
| 19:49:16 | patlabor221 | right click to port |
| 19:49:19 | patlabor221 | same |
| 19:49:20 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:49:23 | doughecka | what wep? |
| 19:49:25 | doughecka | 1? |
| 19:49:25 | doughecka | 2? |
| 19:49:27 | patlabor221 | 0 I htink |
| 19:49:31 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:49:52 | patlabor221 | I never hit the buttons |
| 19:49:56 | patlabor221 | just wheel |
| 19:50:01 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:50:02 | patlabor221 | it's faster |
| 19:50:08 | patlabor221 | don't have to stop moving |
| 19:50:15 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:50:21 | doughecka | but I like the other one better |
| 19:50:28 | doughecka | easyer to stop, hit the button, and go |
| 19:50:42 | doughecka | then sit there and look at each gun as you select it |
| 19:51:37 | doughecka | ok... |
| 19:51:54 | doughecka | I am gonna reboot back into the linux thingy again, now to try out the teleport thingy.. |
| 19:52:38 | patlabor221 | you have to enable it |
| 19:52:44 | patlabor221 | in the server setup |
| 19:56:17 | gonkulator{work} | is back (gone 01:07:05) |
| 20:01:26 | captain_proton | yay, segfault |
| 20:01:32 | captain_proton | ooh, bzedit is gonna rockz0r |
| 20:02:20 | captain_proton | you will be able to create any number of views and dock them as tabs (or any other dock position) |
| 20:03:41 | patlabor221 | that is indeed nice |
| 20:03:54 | captain_proton | i'll screenie it once i get it working |
| 20:04:00 | patlabor221 | but gridwold will ownz joo |
| 20:04:09 | patlabor221 | gridworld |
| 20:04:30 | captain_proton | gridworld? |
| 20:04:51 | patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/gridworld.jpg |
| 20:05:38 | captain_proton | time to make lots of screenshots of bzedit's l33t-o rearrangable workspace |
| 20:06:32 | patlabor221 | I should show that picture to scanline |
| 20:07:20 | patlabor221 | and I wonder how hard it would be to replicate your docking widget stuff in der windows |
| 20:09:45 | captain_proton | probably fairly difficult |
| 20:09:52 | captain_proton | gdl-dock is a -slick- piece of work |
| 20:10:23 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bze-ss/ |
| 20:10:33 | patlabor221 | well windows has a bunch of docking stuff laready in it |
| 20:10:50 | captain_proton | not like this it doesn't |
| 20:11:05 | patlabor221 | true but it can all be built upon |
| 20:11:07 | captain_proton | the stuff they use in VC++ almost comes close |
| 20:11:32 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:11:34 | patlabor221 | I have access to that |
| 20:12:08 | patlabor221 | wonder what the BGI thin has that I could use |
| 20:12:30 | captain_proton | but even that dock stuff doesn't let you dock into a tab, or create floating dock windows |
| 20:12:35 | patlabor221 | but that does look cool |
| 20:12:50 | patlabor221 | the BGI stuff does I think |
| 20:13:21 | patlabor221 | and I know that there are widget type things that people have made for windows |
| 20:13:22 | captain_proton | i think i'll distribute it with a few default layouts and have a menu to select from them |
| 20:13:37 | captain_proton | also allow the user to save named layouts which it'll put into the menu |
| 20:13:39 | patlabor221 | sould be able to save and name them too |
| 20:13:41 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 20:13:46 | patlabor221 | great minds an all |
| 20:14:12 | captain_proton | i gotta get the layout loading code working |
| 20:31:49 | blair | sup |
| 20:32:15 | JamesA | How do I make bzfs announce itself as a public server? I'm starting it with the -public option but it refuses to register itself as public. Any tips appreciated. |
| 20:32:30 | captain_proton | blair: creatin' the slickest bzedit interface evah |
| 20:32:56 | patlabor221 | you need fill in the rest of the info and make sure that ports 5556 are open to the master list server |
| 20:33:07 | blair | prot: good to hear. |
| 20:33:17 | captain_proton | blair: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bze-ss/ |
| 20:33:23 | captain_proton | the workspace is completely rearrangable |
| 20:33:32 | blair | what kind of objects can you have in bzflag? just pyramids and boxes? |
| 20:33:37 | captain_proton | right now |
| 20:33:51 | patlabor221 | and teleporteds and bases |
| 20:33:52 | patlabor221 | :) |
| 20:33:55 | captain_proton | right |
| 20:34:19 | blair | proton: nice, i like the detached stuff, maybe from working with the gimp... |
| 20:34:40 | blair | where you have all your dialogs out in their own windows, etc. |
| 20:34:52 | blair | allows me to self-optimize me workspac |
| 20:34:54 | captain_proton | you can have as many views as you want, in windows, tabbed, etc |
| 20:35:05 | JamesA | patlabor221: The rest of what info? I'm using "-public hiway" in addition to all of the other flags. I can connect if I specify a hostname but it will not appear in the Find Servers list. All ports are open. |
| 20:35:41 | blair | proton: so you can check out a particular area and focus on it from different pov's? |
| 20:35:51 | patlabor221 | there info for public address, public name and all that |
| 20:36:02 | captain_proton | you could do that before, but now you could have different views looking from different angles |
| 20:36:07 | patlabor221 | they are difrent switches |
| 20:37:20 | blair | prot: nice work... but aren't you in school? |
| 20:37:25 | captain_proton | yah |
| 20:37:30 | blair | not enough coding courses? |
| 20:37:32 | blair | ;) |
| 20:37:43 | captain_proton | no real coding courses |
| 20:37:59 | blair | yeah, a guy has to code.. |
| 20:38:04 | captain_proton | unless you consider using a tiny bit of vhdl 'coding' |
| 20:38:44 | blair | anyway, just wanted to check up on ya... later |
| 20:39:01 | JamesA | patlabor221: Do I need to specify the -publiclist option? If so what url do I use? |
| 20:39:29 | captain_proton | shouldn't need to specify -publiclist if you've got a recent bzfs |
| 20:39:37 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:39:43 | JamesA | proton: Running 1.7e6 |
| 20:39:51 | patlabor221 | but don't you need to do the -publicaddr stuff? |
| 20:40:01 | patlabor221 | so they know how to connect to you |
| 20:42:16 | JamesA | patlabor221: Ok I specified the -publicaddr and it still doesn't work. |
| 20:43:13 | JamesA | Does this look correct: +f good +f gm +f gm +f l +f l -f O -f O -f CB -f M -f B -j -ms 5 +s 5 -s 5 -sa +r -r -st 10 -synctime -sw 1 -ttl 40 -public hiwaywar -publicaddr server1.ucsi.net:5155 -world hiway1.bzw |
| 20:43:47 | JamesA | I sourced it from the hiway1.bat |
| 20:44:33 | sussudio | JamesA: no |
| 20:44:47 | patlabor221 | they know better then I. |
| 20:45:00 | patlabor221 | much smarter they are |
| 20:45:06 | captain_proton | get rid of -synctime for starters (tho that won't help the server list situation) |
| 20:45:19 | JamesA | proton: Ok |
| 20:45:21 | sussudio | +fl doesnt work..... +f L probably does |
| 20:45:31 | captain_proton | yeah that too |
| 20:45:57 | captain_proton | -ttl is not required anymore |
| 20:46:02 | sussudio | also :5155 is redundant since it's already the default port |
| 20:46:33 | captain_proton | off to class |
| 20:46:47 | patlabor221 | wize in the wayz of bz they are. trust them you must. |
| 20:47:07 | JamesA | Ok making those changes and restarting |
| 20:47:58 | JamesA | Nyet. |
| 20:48:08 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:48:10 | sussudio | nyet WHAT |
| 20:48:21 | JamesA | It still doesn't register itself. |
| 20:48:29 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 20:48:30 | sussudio | "register itself"? |
| 20:48:45 | sussudio | shouldnt you be adding -publiclist ? |
| 20:48:47 | JamesA | Register on the public list so that it can be found through "Find Servers" on the client. |
| 20:49:15 | JamesA | I thought -publiclist was automatic when you specified -public? |
| 20:49:30 | sussudio | -publiclist http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/list-server.txt |
| 20:49:34 | sussudio | automatic????? |
| 20:49:41 | sussudio | how is it supposed to know where the list is? |
| 20:50:09 | patlabor221 | it is suposed to ahve that one built in as default |
| 20:50:09 | JamesA | From the bzfs manual: A built-in url is used by default. The BZFlag clients use the same built-in url so, by default, clients will see public servers automati- cally. See bzfls for a description of the format of url. |
| 20:50:22 | JamesA | Doh sorry about the bad paste. |
| 20:50:29 | sussudio | well i dont care what the bzfs manual says... it's wrong. |
| 20:50:39 | sussudio | if you dont specify -publiclist you dont get the be on the list |
| 20:50:41 | sussudio | neener neener |
| 20:51:01 | patlabor221 | or perhaps the dealut URL is incorect |
| 20:51:25 | | sussudio: i haven't a clue |
| 20:51:25 | sussudio | ibot: dealut? |
| 20:51:37 | BZFlag | sussudio: yes you do. if you use -public then it should get you on the list. |
| 20:51:58 | sussudio | still, it doesnt.... |
| 20:52:02 | BZFlag | strings bzfs | grep -i sourceforge should find that string. |
| 20:52:15 | BZFlag | sussudio: it does for me on multiple servers. |
| 20:52:49 | sussudio | it doesnt like the uppercase letters in that url.... |
| 20:52:52 | sussudio | not with linux anyway |
| 20:52:55 | JamesA | Ok I passed -publiclist with that url and it still doesn't register. |
| 20:53:03 | BZFlag | I also use -publicaddr on my boxes though. |
| 20:53:09 | patlabor221 | you sure your not port blocked? |
| 20:53:36 | Chestal | try and add several -d (IIRC) to get debug output |
| 20:53:51 | sussudio | are you trying this with windows or linux |
| 20:54:22 | JamesA | Linux |
| 20:55:14 | sussudio | *shrug*.. mine registered fine within seconds |
| 20:55:59 | JamesA | Aha! Thank you for the -d tip. I didn't know that was available. |
| 20:56:09 | JamesA | I'm getting a resolver error. |
| 20:56:17 | JamesA | Probably because i'm running it chroot. |
| 20:56:25 | JamesA | You guys rock. |
| 20:58:14 | sussudio | no.. you're getting a resolver error cause linux is case sensitive and it doesnt like the uppercase letters in the default url..... |
| 20:58:15 | sussudio | i got that too |
| 20:58:25 | sussudio | when i changed it all to lowercase it resolved |
| 20:58:51 | Chestal | ehm, that shoudln't make a difference with host / domain names, should it? |
| 20:59:02 | patlabor221 | nope should not |
| 20:59:07 | sussudio | well it does..... |
| 20:59:09 | patlabor221 | web pages are not |
| 20:59:12 | sussudio | windows doesnt seem to care |
| 20:59:14 | sussudio | linux does |
| 20:59:41 | patlabor221 | easy to test |
| 20:59:47 | patlabor221 | dig the host hame |
| 20:59:49 | patlabor221 | name |
| 21:00:51 | sussudio | i dont know what bzflag uses to resolve hosts but i'm sure it isnt dig |
| 21:01:22 | patlabor221 | it has to use the same name server the system uses |
| 21:01:29 | patlabor221 | so dig should check it |
| 21:01:42 | Chestal | dg maybe isn't a good test |
| 21:01:48 | sussudio | there's more than 1 lookup lib |
| 21:01:52 | Chestal | just use pign or somethign, that just calls gethostbyname |
| 21:07:44 | doughecka | woo |
| 21:08:19 | JamesA | Got it! There were a couple of libraries missing that were causing name resolution to fail. Works perfectly now. |
| 21:08:48 | sussudio | libraries....missing.... you're not running debian, are you? |
| 21:08:55 | JamesA | lol |
| 21:09:13 | sussudio | i smell a redrat |
| 21:09:23 | JamesA | It's a chrooted environment. Apparently the resolver requires more than just libresolv.so.2 ;) |
| 21:09:49 | sussudio | libwww? |
| 21:10:12 | JamesA | libnss_*.so.2 and libnsl.so.1 |
| 21:22:08 | JamesA | Thanks again for help. Later. |
| 21:22:15 | doughecka | reboots |
| 21:27:16 | MrApathyCream | http://www.recoilmag.com/news/area_husband_pretends_0702.html |
| 21:29:27 | doughecka | ooh, powerline ethernet! |
| 21:31:14 | sussudio | anyone want to comment on my map at sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 ? |
| 21:41:53 | sussudio | url for latest version of windoze bzedit? |
| 21:46:11 | sussudio | . |
| 21:50:27 | captain_proton | omg |
| 21:50:32 | captain_proton | riker checked in code? |
| 21:54:59 | sussudio | nevermind... i dumped it on my homepage |
| 22:01:29 | jzaun | Antagonize.h:104:7: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 22:03:34 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: heh |
| 22:04:01 | captain_proton | ponders making jzaun drool |
| 22:04:27 | jzaun | captain_proton: you couldn't even if you tried |
| 22:05:06 | captain_proton | jzaun: bzedit's new interface: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bze-ss/ |
| 22:05:07 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: and LOOK!!! it's for 1.7e8!! |
| 22:05:28 | captain_proton | completely reconfigurable |
| 22:05:29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hahaha |
| 22:05:32 | Chestal | I shoudl finally get my patch up |
| 22:05:39 | Chestal | I see 1 .7e8 release :-) |
| 22:05:43 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:05:48 | captain_proton | then you can start working on 1.8 |
| 22:06:03 | Chestal | has the jumping bug been fixed? if so, by reverting the falling 'fix |
| 22:06:04 | Chestal | ? |
| 22:06:25 | MrApathyCream | yes: patch on sf |
| 22:06:32 | MrApathyCream | (revert) |
| 22:06:36 | captain_proton | fixed in cvs too, no? |
| 22:06:36 | jzaun | captain_proton: um.... there is just a big black spot where a map should be show |
| 22:06:40 | captain_proton | jzaun: well, right |
| 22:06:52 | Chestal | captain_proton: btw, I finally got to see Requiem for a Dream on Sunday on the big screen. Only had to ask two dozen times or so :-) |
| 22:06:55 | captain_proton | i'm prototyping out the interface, then i'll port in the drawing code |
| 22:06:55 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: dunno if it ever made it to cvs |
| 22:07:12 | jzaun | captain_proton: aaahhhhhh |
| 22:07:34 | jzaun | 1/2 drools |
| 22:07:38 | jzaun | :-) |
| 22:07:45 | Chestal | I tried a real fix for the falling/jumping bug once, but it didn't work out 100% |
| 22:07:56 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm, i've nearly gotten the underbelly for grouping done ;) |
| 22:08:15 | jzaun | 3/4 drools |
| 22:08:20 | Widget | Wow... Chestal and paul are still awake? |
| 22:08:22 | Widget | What's going on? |
| 22:08:30 | MrApathyCream | hands jzaun a towelette |
| 22:08:30 | paul | hiya widget. |
| 22:08:31 | Chestal | I'm about to go to bed and get up early |
| 22:08:36 | paul | its only 0014 here |
| 22:08:37 | Widget | :( |
| 22:08:38 | Chestal | not sure if this plan is going to wor, though |
| 22:08:43 | Widget | paul: "only". |
| 22:08:49 | MrApathyCream | it'll never work |
| 22:08:50 | paul | only home |
| 22:08:52 | Chestal | I plan to get up in about 5 hours |
| 22:09:01 | paul | just checking out my email. |
| 22:09:05 | MrApathyCream | 'plan' being the operative word |
| 22:09:13 | jzaun | paul: Can you check email from IRC? |
| 22:09:15 | sussudio | did 1.7e4 have performance issues? |
| 22:09:16 | Widget | paul: Like the first line of Brave New World. 'It was a squat grey building, "only" 34 storied tall.'. |
| 22:09:22 | paul | jzaun: :) |
| 22:09:25 | MrApathyCream | unless your beds on fire, it aint happenin |
| 22:09:26 | captain_proton | sussudio: nope |
| 22:09:27 | paul | jzaun: takes a while to download |
| 22:09:31 | sussudio | hmmk |
| 22:09:47 | jzaun | captain_proton: I must say... I really like the 2.0 interface |
| 22:09:47 | paul | Widget: :) |
| 22:09:53 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: well, it sent way to many playerupdate packets |
| 22:09:53 | Chestal | MAC: maybe a maigcal evice called an alarm clock will help |
| 22:09:54 | sussudio | just wondering cause someone was having really bad lag with it |
| 22:10:08 | captain_proton | jzaun: well this one you'll be able to lay out however you like |
| 22:10:15 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: I believe in natural awakenings |
| 22:10:18 | Chestal | sussudio: 1.7e6 might improve lag issues fo rpeopel with a slow upstream |
| 22:10:21 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: would that cause lag with a 64kbit connection? |
| 22:10:26 | captain_proton | plus it supports multiple view windows (in tabs, in their own windows, etc, just like the rest of the docks) |
| 22:10:32 | Chestal | MAC: I do so too, but htese rarely hapen befre noon for me |
| 22:10:45 | Chestal | MAC: so I thought I'd try and get up earlier and get work done |
| 22:10:48 | MrApathyCream | nothin wrong with noon |
| 22:11:01 | MrApathyCream | My theory you screw up more code before noon, than you can fix after noon |
| 22:11:02 | Chestal | MAC: and if I try, I'll do it in a radical way and coem real early to work |
| 22:11:24 | Chestal | only problem is that I am not tired yet |
| 22:11:38 | sussudio | shoots Chestal with a tranq dart |
| 22:11:39 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: yes, especially if all players are on 1.7e6 |
| 22:12:00 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: ah.... he was running debian woody but hadnt upgraded in a year or so |
| 22:12:12 | sussudio | so i guess he's getting 1.7e6 when he does apt-get upgrade |
| 22:12:19 | jzaun | chats with his dad, brb |
| 22:12:21 | Chestal | sussudio: the differnce is greatest when he gets very high framerates |
| 22:12:46 | sussudio | Chestal: err... so good videocard = bad lag? |
| 22:12:59 | MrApathyCream | of course, if you don't get high frame rates, your tradeoff is fullscreen.... |
| 22:13:03 | MrApathyCream | oooh, did i say that.... |
| 22:13:06 | Chestal | sussudio: well, no, it's not that easy |
| 22:13:07 | captain_proton | sussudio: pre-e6, yes |
| 22:13:07 | MrApathyCream | shouldn't start a war again |
| 22:13:31 | captain_proton | high framerate meant lots of packets |
| 22:13:39 | Chestal | baaaaad video card+high quality settings+e6=baad lag an dhigh jumps :-) |
| 22:13:43 | captain_proton | so if anybody had a high framerate, people with slower links would get somewhat hammered |
| 22:13:44 | sussudio | seems a lot of players are in europe and most servers aren't..... |
| 22:13:48 | MrApathyCream | silly *nix |
| 22:13:52 | sussudio | no wonder astercity is always so busy, it's in poland |
| 22:14:02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hah |
| 22:14:11 | captain_proton | silly windows editors that don't put newlines at the end of files |
| 22:14:18 | MrApathyCream | saves space :) |
| 22:14:28 | captain_proton | haha |
| 22:14:58 | paul | captain_proton: isnt it that windows puts carriage returns at end of lines? |
| 22:14:59 | MrApathyCream | windoz is all about lean |
| 22:15:10 | sussudio | i made a little mapcleaner program especially for bzeditw32 cleanup.... |
| 22:15:12 | MrApathyCream | paul: no |
| 22:15:14 | captain_proton | paul: windows uses both carriage returns and newlines at the end |
| 22:15:17 | paul | ie windows -> \n\r, nix/mac/etc -> \n? |
| 22:15:38 | paul | sorry \r\n. |
| 22:15:40 | Chestal | AFAIK: unix: \n, WIndows: \r\n, MAC \r |
| 22:15:41 | MrApathyCream | paul, i checked the file in with unix syntax, but the last line had none |
| 22:15:45 | captain_proton | the thing is that windows editors, particularly the one in VC++ doesn't put either at the end of the last line in the file (assuming it wasn't added by hand) |
| 22:15:50 | captain_proton | and gcc complains about it |
| 22:16:02 | paul | captain_proton: ahh... |
| 22:16:14 | captain_proton | the CVS clients translate between unix/doc/mac format |
| 22:16:24 | MrApathyCream | it does? |
| 22:16:26 | Chestal | well, my Unix editors do not end an empty line at the end automatically, either |
| 22:16:31 | Chestal | but of course I do |
| 22:16:37 | captain_proton | not an empty line |
| 22:16:47 | captain_proton | but they do put a newline at the end of the text in the last line of the file |
| 22:16:50 | MrApathyCream | i always hand convert to unix before checking in, you say i don't have to? |
| 22:16:55 | Chestal | proton: that's the same |
| 22:16:58 | MrApathyCream | well, by hand convert, us a tool |
| 22:16:59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: depends on the cvs client |
| 22:16:59 | paul | Chestal: vim will flag such files for you. with: [noeol] or somesuch at the bottom of the terminal. |
| 22:17:10 | captain_proton | Chestal: in fact they're not |
| 22:17:21 | captain_proton | extra line would mean '\n\n' to some ;) |
| 22:17:32 | Chestal | actually, I once stumbled across a program which did not work correctly because a config file did not have a trailing new line |
| 22:17:39 | paul | captain_proton: that's nix convention. files should have \n\n at the end. |
| 22:17:40 | MrApathyCream | So boys what are we gonna do about bz dev? |
| 22:17:43 | Chestal | proton: well, that's a philosophical question :-) |
| 22:17:47 | captain_proton | vi emacs put newlines at the end |
| 22:17:54 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:17:56 | paul | though i cant think of anything that /really/ care. |
| 22:17:57 | captain_proton | vi & emacs that is |
| 22:18:08 | Chestal | it was this stuff I needed to allow MACs to print via my Linux print server, I forgot its name |
| 22:18:19 | captain_proton | Chestal: CUPS? |
| 22:18:19 | Chestal | it just ignored the last lien when it didn't have a \n |
| 22:18:23 | paul | eek |
| 22:18:40 | paul | you mean when it didnt end in \n\n or \n? |
| 22:18:44 | Chestal | no, not CUPS, somethign to do with MAC networking |
| 22:18:49 | captain_proton | paul: didn't stick in \n |
| 22:18:51 | Chestal | \n |
| 22:18:57 | paul | ie: |
| 22:19:00 | paul | text |
| 22:19:02 | paul | not: |
| 22:19:05 | paul | text\n |
| 22:19:07 | paul | or : |
| 22:19:09 | MrApathyCream | DAVE? |
| 22:19:11 | paul | text\n\n |
| 22:19:11 | paul | ? |
| 22:19:16 | captain_proton | it should be 'text\n' |
| 22:19:22 | captain_proton | but MrApathyCream's editor saved as 'text' |
| 22:19:36 | paul | indeed. definitely... its not a line if there's no \n at the end of it. :) |
| 22:19:53 | captain_proton | just like in pigeon its not a sentence if it doesn't end with 'brah' |
| 22:20:13 | paul | though you'd think a programme would read until '\n' or EOF. |
| 22:20:24 | MrApathyCream | the good os's doo ;) |
| 22:21:05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: haha |
| 22:21:20 | MrApathyCream | notices no one responded to his question "so boys, what are we gonna do about the bz dev stall" |
| 22:21:26 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:21:38 | captain_proton | waits for Chestal's answer |
| 22:21:46 | captain_proton | or maybe even BZFlag's |
| 22:21:53 | MrApathyCream | nods, and points at captain_proton |
| 22:21:54 | Chestal | what's the question? |
| 22:21:58 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 20 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: so dig should check it [Tue Sep 17 22:01:29 2002] |
| 22:21:58 | doughecka | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 22:22:00 | jzaun | waits for BZE 2.0 and BZF 1.8 |
| 22:22:14 | doughecka | wants bzflag 1.8 |
| 22:22:16 | captain_proton | jzaun: bzedit 2.0 has been out for a long time |
| 22:22:17 | MrApathyCream | prepares the peanut butter |
| 22:22:21 | sussudio | hex edits jzauns executables |
| 22:22:30 | jzaun | captain_proton: ok, BZE 3.0 |
| 22:22:36 | doughecka | kicks captain_proton's head |
| 22:22:50 | doughecka | ducks |
| 22:22:51 | captain_proton | i might call it 2.1.1, even though its a major upgrade ;) |
| 22:22:56 | MrApathyCream | salves captain_proton wounds with aforementioned pb |
| 22:23:01 | captain_proton | just to confuse |
| 22:23:09 | MrApathyCream | bzedit smashing fist |
| 22:23:09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you're nuts |
| 22:23:09 | doughecka | raises his shields |
| 22:23:11 | Chestal | what bz dev stall? comeon, we had a commit today :-) |
| 22:23:18 | captain_proton | Chestal: -two- commits |
| 22:23:20 | doughecka | what commit? |
| 22:23:21 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: hehe |
| 22:23:24 | paul | captain_proton: give me cvs access and i'll handle the rev number bumping for you :) |
| 22:23:43 | jzaun | ***really*** want BZF3.0 :-). captain_proton, can you jump to the future and bring it back for me? |
| 22:23:43 | captain_proton | paul: i don't have that access - talk to timmy |
| 22:23:51 | Chestal | we coudl port it to C# quickly, then Storm coudl help developing ;-) |
| 22:23:51 | paul | captain_proton: joking |
| 22:24:01 | paul | port it to perl! |
| 22:24:09 | jzaun | no PHP |
| 22:24:10 | captain_proton | Chestal: ooh, cell could help too then |
| 22:24:13 | jzaun | PHP could do it |
| 22:24:14 | paul | looks on CPAN for perl openGL bindings |
| 22:24:17 | captain_proton | ponders PHP-GL bindings |
| 22:24:19 | jzaun | I hace a client in PHP |
| 22:24:25 | Chestal | bzflag should be web-based |
| 22:24:28 | MrApathyCream | We sould have taken up.... |
| 22:24:31 | doughecka | burns the whole world |
| 22:24:32 | captain_proton | turn left |
| 22:24:34 | paul | Chestal: yes!! |
| 22:24:36 | MrApathyCream | dang what was the pro developers name again? |
| 22:24:40 | doughecka | captain_proton? |
| 22:24:46 | captain_proton | you see a large box and a pyramid. you are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 22:24:51 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:24:53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: RCAM ;) |
| 22:24:57 | MrApathyCream | RCAM!! yes |
| 22:25:01 | Chestal | i |
| 22:25:02 | doughecka | where is RCAM? |
| 22:25:03 | MrApathyCream | we should have taken him up on it. |
| 22:25:08 | | RCAM was last seen on #familiar 11 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: hey is anyone there? [Fri Sep 6 15:05:13 2002] |
| 22:25:08 | doughecka | ibot seen RCAM |
| 22:25:11 | MrApathyCream | He would have had more than 3 checkins in 4 months |
| 22:25:12 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:25:29 | MrApathyCream | (now they all would have been copyright changes, but still) |
| 22:25:29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i beg to differ. we've had 4 checkins in the last week alone |
| 22:25:48 | doughecka | (clowns) |
| 22:26:19 | paul | captain_proton: though.. one of these days, if i ever have an anticipated 3 to 4 months free i might take on adding krb5 to bz :) |
| 22:26:20 | captain_proton | 2 very important flags + whatever tim did with debug levels |
| 22:26:29 | captain_proton | paul: krb? noooooo |
| 22:26:36 | captain_proton | we were looking at gpg |
| 22:26:55 | paul | setup a krb server on bzflag.org. |
| 22:26:58 | MrApathyCream | debug levels for bzfls! |
| 22:26:58 | captain_proton | krb requires too much setup on the user end |
| 22:27:04 | paul | none actually. |
| 22:27:13 | sussudio | damn....dalnet servers are getting so much flood crap they cant sync back to the other servers |
| 22:27:16 | paul | apart from having the libs installed. |
| 22:27:18 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: asleep yet? |
| 22:27:19 | captain_proton | paul: clock synchronization is a pain |
| 22:27:21 | MrApathyCream | 4:30 |
| 22:27:33 | captain_proton | and the windows krb stuff is so broken its not even funny |
| 22:27:43 | paul | captain_proton: either ntp or rdate -s before playing. |
| 22:27:46 | Chestal | MAC: n |
| 22:27:47 | paul | ah, windows.. |
| 22:28:08 | doughecka | suggests throwing the whole thing into a quiet bag and shake it, something might come of it |
| 22:28:10 | paul | the MIT libs /should/ work on win32. |
| 22:28:19 | MrApathyCream | where are the monkeys with typewriters? |
| 22:28:25 | paul | he |
| 22:28:28 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: AOL |
| 22:28:32 | MrApathyCream | maybe they could set aside the shakespeare there working on |
| 22:28:57 | doughecka | calls the monkeys |
| 22:29:04 | doughecka | oops, its busy... |
| 22:29:05 | paul | captain_proton: how will the gpg stuff work? |
| 22:29:28 | captain_proton | each 'user' would have their key, which they use to identify to their nickname and sign important messages like karma updates |
| 22:29:47 | doughecka | cooool |
| 22:29:58 | | mrapathycream has karma of 1 |
| 22:29:58 | MrApathyCream | ibot, karma MrApathyCream |
| 22:30:06 | MrApathyCream | It works on Windows woowoo!! |
| 22:30:20 | Chestal | we coudl also use SLL, hmm |
| 22:30:21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: haha |
| 22:30:23 | doughecka | MrApathyCream-- |
| 22:30:23 | Chestal | eh, SSL |
| 22:30:32 | Chestal | or ssh |
| 22:30:33 | | doughecka: wish i knew |
| 22:30:33 | doughecka | ibot karma for MrApathyCream? |
| 22:30:34 | paul | urg.. SSL.. |
| 22:30:40 | | mrapathycream has neutral karma |
| 22:30:40 | doughecka | ibot karma for MrApathyCream |
| 22:30:41 | captain_proton | SSL doesn't really provide a way for a user to prove who they are |
| 22:30:50 | Chestal | I think it does |
| 22:30:51 | paul | it does. |
| 22:30:58 | paul | but its an insane PITA. |
| 22:31:02 | Chestal | nrmally only 1way-auth is used, but it can do 2way |
| 22:31:42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:31:50 | captain_proton | gpg is probably a cleaner way to go |
| 22:31:57 | captain_proton | since SSL certs are a pain in the ass |
| 22:32:09 | Chestal | well, you only have to create them once |
| 22:32:21 | paul | you'd be better off having each player register a 'secret' and just use some kind of good message digest algorithm to sign important messages/packets. |
| 22:33:01 | Chestal | isn't rot13 safe? |
| 22:33:09 | paul | unless OpenCA has gotten a lot better, i'd recc'd staying away from SSL (the API is fugly too). |
| 22:33:12 | captain_proton | no! i deman double rot13! |
| 22:33:18 | captain_proton | demand* |
| 22:33:21 | paul | rot26 is more efficient. |
| 22:33:49 | Chestal | I only have been using X509 stuff fr globus grid comouting thingy |
| 22:34:05 | paul | esp. if you have a CPU that can handle lots of NOPs. |
| 22:34:19 | Nicole | hello people! |
| 22:34:30 | | Frontend/wrapper to rwho. URL: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/unix/people/ |
| 22:34:30 | sussudio | ibot people |
| 22:34:44 | doughecka | NOP = better than NIPs |
| 22:34:51 | | uvuvuv |
| 22:34:51 | Widget | ibot: rot13 hihihi |
| 22:34:57 | | hihihi |
| 22:34:57 | Widget | ibot: rot13 uvuvuv |
| 22:35:07 | | jvreq crbcyr |
| 22:35:07 | doughecka | ibot rot13 wierd people |
| 22:35:24 | sussudio | ibot --doughecka |
| 22:35:31 | paul | lol |
| 22:35:34 | | doughecka has karma of -1 |
| 22:35:34 | doughecka | ibot karma for doughecka |
| 22:35:39 | Nicole | hehehe |
| 22:35:41 | Chestal | ok, I'll try and sleep, good night |
| 22:35:44 | doughecka | doughecka++ |
| 22:35:44 | doughecka | doughecka++ |
| 22:35:47 | paul | night chestal |
| 22:35:51 | Nicole | g'night |
| 22:35:51 | doughecka | cya |
| 22:35:55 | paul | doughecka: cant karma yourself iirc |
| 22:36:00 | sussudio | ha |
| 22:36:03 | Widget | Chestal: Goodnight. |
| 22:36:03 | | doughecka has karma of -1 |
| 22:36:03 | sussudio | ibot karma doughecka |
| 22:36:05 | | doughecka has karma of -1 |
| 22:36:05 | paul | ibot karma for doughecka |
| 22:36:12 | Widget | doughecka++ |
| 22:36:12 | | bzflag has karma of 3036873698722 |
| 22:36:12 | BZFlag | ibot: karma BZFlag |
| 22:36:13 | paul | ibot --doughecka |
| 22:36:17 | Widget | sussudio: ++ |
| 22:36:19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: oof |
| 22:36:21 | Widget | sussudio++ |
| 22:36:26 | Widget | BZFlag++ |
| 22:36:29 | paul | doughecka-10 |
| 22:36:30 | | bzflag has karma of 3036873698723 |
| 22:36:30 | Widget | ibot: karma bzflag |
| 22:36:31 | | doughecka has neutral karma |
| 22:36:31 | paul | ibot karma for doughecka |
| 22:36:33 | Nicole | what's all these "++" stuff? |
| 22:36:37 | BZFlag | captain_proton: course it helps to own the bot. ;-) |
| 22:36:39 | | paul has neutral karma |
| 22:36:39 | Widget | ibot: karma paul |
| 22:36:45 | | nicole has neutral karma |
| 22:36:45 | Nicole | ibot: karma for Nicole |
| 22:36:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i knew you were a cheater! |
| 22:36:49 | | captain_proton has karma of 8 |
| 22:36:49 | captain_proton | ibot: karma captain_proton |
| 22:36:49 | Nicole | woohoo! |
| 22:36:51 | | chameleon has neutral karma |
| 22:36:51 | sussudio | ibot: karma chameleon |
| 22:36:53 | Nicole | no! |
| 22:36:56 | Nicole | that's not fair! |
| 22:37:00 | Widget | Nicole++ |
| 22:37:00 | Widget | Nicole-- |
| 22:37:04 | | ibot has karma of 14 |
| 22:37:04 | BZFlag | ibot: karma ibot |
| 22:37:09 | Widget | ibot++ |
| 22:37:09 | Nicole | Nicole++ |
| 22:37:09 | captain_proton | hmm, i'm happy enough with mine |
| 22:37:12 | | goodbye, doughecka. |
| 22:37:12 | doughecka | ibot part #bzflag |
| 22:37:27 | | captain_proton has karma of 8 |
| 22:37:27 | Widget | ibot: karma captain_proton |
| 22:37:29 | doughecka | darn |
| 22:37:33 | sussudio | Karma: Excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) |
| 22:37:35 | sussudio | :-P |
| 22:37:37 | | nicole has neutral karma |
| 22:37:37 | Nicole | ibot: karma for Nicole |
| 22:37:39 | paul | right enough of that.. |
| 22:37:42 | Nicole | Nicole++ |
| 22:37:42 | paul | :) |
| 22:37:43 | sussudio | i dont even get to see the actual number anymore |
| 22:37:49 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:37:50 | Widget | You can't change your own karma. |
| 22:37:54 | Widget | I know. |
| 22:37:55 | | nicole has neutral karma |
| 22:37:55 | Nicole | ibot: karma for Nicole |
| 22:37:58 | Widget | Slashdot karma sucks. |
| 22:38:07 | | doughecka is <reply> excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) has neutral karma |
| 22:38:07 | doughecka | ibot karma for doughecka is <reply> Excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) |
| 22:38:16 | doughecka | bah |
| 22:38:17 | Widget | Hahaha. |
| 22:38:18 | sussudio | You're a moderator with 5 points(expire after 2002-09-19). Please read the Moderator Guidelines before you do any moderation. |
| 22:38:26 | sussudio | looks for any postings by doughecka |
| 22:38:41 | paul | if you find anyway... let me know. |
| 22:38:45 | Widget | sussudio: Ouch. |
| 22:38:49 | | doughecka is <reply> excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) has neutral karma |
| 22:38:49 | doughecka | ibot karma doughecka is <reply> Excellent (mostly affected by moderation done to your comments) |
| 22:38:53 | doughecka | boo |
| 22:38:54 | paul | if have mod at the moment - i'll mod him down as flamebait.. |
| 22:39:02 | doughecka | how do you mod in /.? |
| 22:39:06 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-17 22:47:03 | Hitchikers Guide To Be Made Into A Movie | Bon Jovi Tries New Approach To Fight Piracy | Nintendo Embedding Classic Games on Trading Cards | More on Bayesian Spam Filtering |
| 22:39:06 | doughecka | ibot slashdot? |
| 22:39:15 | doughecka | oh no |
| 22:39:22 | sussudio | bayesian? |
| 22:39:38 | paul | doughecka: you go there on day and you notice that when you read stories you have moderator dropdowns. |
| 22:39:51 | Widget | Ah, user suss. |
| 22:39:53 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:39:54 | doughecka | well |
| 22:39:58 | doughecka | I never get them |
| 22:40:20 | captain_proton | ponders |
| 22:40:22 | captain_proton | sooooo |
| 22:40:31 | paul | doughecka: afaict, frequency of mod access depends on recent karma, and metamoderation. |
| 22:40:31 | captain_proton | Chestal, BZFlag: answer to MAC's question? :) |
| 22:40:39 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:40:48 | Widget | Suß. |
| 22:40:57 | paul | also, if you metamoderate you tend to get mod access soon after. |
| 22:41:03 | paul | so i try avoid metamoderating. |
| 22:41:14 | doughecka | metamoderate? |
| 22:41:18 | Widget | http://slashdot.org/~suss/ |
| 22:41:30 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:41:32 | paul | where you moderate other moderations. |
| 22:41:39 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:41:41 | paul | you need to have an accounts. |
| 22:41:47 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:42:08 | Widget | Ever wanted to keep stray dogs or neighbors from trampling your backyard, but just couldn't find the system to really deter them? Well this site shows how they built a bi-polar Tesla Coil system |
| 22:42:08 | Widget | Ofcourse it depends on how the Tesla Coil is feeling at that moment. It might see the dog and think "oh, i won't bother zapping it, life sucks!". On the other hand, it may have a manic episode and send out little zaps to make the dog dance! (Dance Doggie! Do the Hustle!) |
| 22:42:08 | Widget | |
| 22:42:10 | paul | btw: i'm user 2677 :) |
| 22:42:13 | Widget | ... |
| 22:42:27 | doughecka | paul: wow |
| 22:42:38 | paul | http://slashdot.org/~paul%20jakma |
| 22:43:02 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:43:13 | paul | doughecka: aye, i was a bit slow when they brought in the accounts. |
| 22:43:27 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:43:29 | paul | doughecka: i decided not to bother registering at first.. |
| 22:43:41 | captain_proton | real tesla coils can't make anything dance |
| 22:43:51 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:44:36 | doughecka | ok, I need to share internet access on my win 2000 comp with a mac |
| 22:44:40 | BZFlag | captain_proton: which ? |
| 22:44:56 | doughecka | and I have to use a USB ethernet device... |
| 22:45:03 | captain_proton | <MrApathyCream> So boys what are we gonna do about bz dev? |
| 22:45:11 | doughecka | how do I share it? |
| 22:45:45 | captain_proton | edit the NAT table ;) |
| 22:45:53 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hey, I just fixed the debug levels in bzfls. leave me alone. ;-) |
| 22:45:55 | captain_proton | oh wait...win |
| 22:46:01 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:46:11 | doughecka | I need a NAT or router program for windows |
| 22:46:13 | doughecka | free |
| 22:46:16 | BZFlag | headed home. back on later. |
| 22:46:20 | doughecka | cya |
| 22:46:27 | BZFrank | hi |
| 22:46:28 | doughecka | hey! |
| 22:46:36 | BZFrank | hey doug |
| 22:46:37 | doughecka | hows it going? |
| 22:46:50 | Widget | BZFrank is still awake? |
| 22:46:54 | BZFrank | tiered today ;) |
| 22:46:56 | Widget | What's going on? Some sort of party? |
| 22:47:08 | BZFrank | i am always awake thought the night |
| 22:47:17 | BZFrank | throu that is ... ;) |
| 22:47:39 | BZFrank | working at night spares me the interruptions of the day |
| 22:48:04 | BZFrank | also the moon shines bright, makes for good programs ;) |
| 22:48:07 | Widget | Eep. |
| 22:48:10 | Widget | Do you ever sleep? |
| 22:48:20 | Widget | I have a friend who neeeeever sleeps for a week at a time! |
| 22:48:22 | BZFrank | yes, from 5:00 to 14:00 ;) |
| 22:48:41 | Widget | Oh, so you're like captain_proton. |
| 22:49:06 | BZFrank | all nighters gets you down in the long run |
| 22:49:18 | Widget | Yes. |
| 22:49:28 | Widget | I need about 2-3 hours of sleep. I can't do all-nighters. |
| 22:50:00 | BZFrank | also you cannot think anymore straight , but the main problem is the you don't get it ;) |
| 22:50:17 | BZFrank | yep, at least 3 hours, better more |
| 22:50:23 | doughecka | stupid internet sharing thing |
| 22:50:44 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 22:50:49 | doughecka | so, hows p2501 going? |
| 22:50:54 | BZFrank | hmmm? |
| 22:50:54 | captain_proton | Widget: i only do that during weekends |
| 22:51:13 | Widget | captain_proton: Well, before you used to do it all the time. |
| 22:51:14 | BZFrank | I am currently rewriting SDL_console |
| 22:51:18 | Widget | captain_proton: When school was out. |
| 22:51:19 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:51:42 | BZFrank | the real code sucks holes in the ground - it only runs with OPENGLBLIT |
| 22:51:49 | sussudio | school's out for summah |
| 22:51:52 | BZFrank | while this works on nVidia cards |
| 22:51:59 | BZFrank | it does not on my new parhelia |
| 22:52:10 | captain_proton | Widget: right |
| 22:52:20 | captain_proton | OPENGLBLIT is gross |
| 22:52:21 | Widget | Ooooh. |
| 22:52:28 | captain_proton | not to mention deprecated ;) |
| 22:52:28 | Widget | BZFrank has a new Parhelia! |
| 22:52:53 | BZFrank | yep, sourround gaming is the way ;) |
| 22:53:29 | paul | BZFrank: what do you think of the parhelia? (esp linux support) |
| 22:53:41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:53:48 | paul | i havnt bought a graphics card in a long time, and i'm a matrox fan. |
| 22:54:00 | BZFrank | linux support is currently bad, and only 2d |
| 22:54:05 | doughecka | ugh |
| 22:54:15 | BZFrank | still matrox is commited to release a driver |
| 22:54:22 | BZFrank | they jsut don't know when ;) |
| 22:54:32 | paul | BZFrank: hmm... drat. |
| 22:54:50 | paul | BZFrank: the matrox drivers arent open though.. |
| 22:54:57 | BZFrank | even with the XP driver performance is not up to par with a GF4 4400 |
| 22:55:21 | BZFrank | it seems the hardware is willing but the driver is lacking ;) |
| 22:55:36 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:55:38 | BZFrank | e.g. p2501 gets ~140 fps on my parhelia |
| 22:55:42 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:55:55 | BZFrank | but 450 fps on my GF4 4400 on a slower PC |
| 22:56:05 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:56:09 | BZFrank | vsync off of course |
| 22:56:30 | BZFrank | the signal quality is very good however |
| 22:56:34 | paul | well, i've no need for the fastest card, as long it is fast enough. |
| 22:56:37 | BZFrank | and the sourround gaming works fine |
| 22:56:49 | BZFrank | (if your game supports it) |
| 22:56:51 | Widget | Wow.. my keyboard just started working again. |
| 22:56:52 | Widget | How cool. |
| 22:56:58 | paul | historically, i like matrox for the excellent 2d X support. |
| 22:57:09 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:57:13 | BZFrank | did you drop some coke on it? I did once and the result was very 'gluy' ;) |
| 22:57:16 | doughecka | how DOES surrond gaming work? |
| 22:57:18 | paul | but, i'm pissed off that the trend NV set in closed drivers is cathing. |
| 22:57:33 | doughecka | does it work in bzflag? |
| 22:57:38 | Widget | BZFrank: The beta 2d drivers for Linux are out? |
| 22:58:03 | paul | might go for the ATi Radeon when/if i upgrade -> open drivers. |
| 22:58:05 | BZFrank | widget: yes |
| 22:58:30 | Widget | paul: Why not nvidia? |
| 22:58:38 | paul | urg.. no. |
| 22:58:39 | BZFrank | doug: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia512/technology/surround_gaming.cfm |
| 22:58:51 | Widget | paul: No? |
| 22:58:59 | doughecka | wooo |
| 22:59:02 | doughecka | I WANT ONE!!! |
| 22:59:12 | BZFrank | paul_ get the ati 9700, thats a beast :) |
| 22:59:14 | paul | Widget: its probably in violation of the linux licence for a start (though linus isnt bothered) |
| 22:59:31 | paul | BZFrank: yeah.. soon as keith whitwell finishes the DRI support for it :) |
| 22:59:58 | BZFrank | paul: what is also good is that performace does not break in that much on the parhelia, so the overall performance is good |
| 23:00:05 | paul | Widget: also, if you're going to use the Matrox drivers, at least send an email to Matrox asking whether they could make the source open. |
| 23:00:09 | BZFrank | also FSAAx16 looks nice! :) |
| 23:00:15 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:01:10 | paul | BZFrank: well, as soon as (drivers->stable && price->reasonable) i might go and buy one :) |
| 23:01:11 | BZFrank | still their openGL implementation needs some work and performance refinement |
| 23:01:31 | BZFrank | *grins* of course |
| 23:01:48 | paul | BZFrank: the initial linux Radeon support was done by the Weather Channel iirc. |
| 23:02:00 | BZFrank | 3d support? |
| 23:02:03 | paul | yes. |
| 23:02:29 | BZFrank | how is ogl speed? |
| 23:02:36 | paul | they considered it cheaper to hire a 3D graphics guru to write DRI drivers for the Radeon than to upgrade their SGIs. |
| 23:02:47 | paul | BZFrank: speed - dont know yet. |
| 23:03:05 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:03:08 | doughecka | let me ask this |
| 23:03:18 | paul | go on.. |
| 23:03:23 | doughecka | what good is 500 FPS if the monitor can only go 75? |
| 23:03:29 | BZFrank | SGIs are quite expensive, guess you can hire a bunch of gurus for that money |
| 23:03:47 | BZFrank | doug: the application has more time to do other things |
| 23:03:57 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:04:00 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:04:22 | paul | SGIs are locked to 60fps (in most scenarios). :) |
| 23:04:26 | BZFrank | e.g. if more objects come on the gamefield performance still stay high, otherwise it drops |
| 23:04:34 | Widget | Wow.... I just got Chinese language support in OS X working properly. |
| 23:04:37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:04:58 | doughecka | Widget: I get chinesh to work in OS X by accedent |
| 23:05:07 | paul | sorry, that's /max/ 60fps. (iirc). |
| 23:05:16 | Widget | doughecka: How do you manage to switch back? |
| 23:05:21 | doughecka | something was wrong, so everything was chinesh and jap |
| 23:05:28 | doughecka | we rebooted |
| 23:05:30 | Widget | Chinese _and_ Japanese? |
| 23:05:31 | BZFrank | e.g. on the parhelia I needed to modify the missile trails, otherwise in game performance did drop beyond 30 fs and that on a P4 2.23 GHz box! |
| 23:05:33 | doughecka | and it fixed it self |
| 23:05:43 | captain_proton | Widget: and korean too! |
| 23:05:44 | doughecka | BZFrank: wow |
| 23:05:51 | paul | gets about 16fps |
| 23:06:01 | doughecka | rolls his eyes at captain_proton |
| 23:06:07 | paul | MGA-G200 / Athlon 600MHz |
| 23:06:17 | BZFrank | paul: wow ;) |
| 23:06:31 | doughecka | I can play on a 333 mhz comp OK |
| 23:06:38 | Widget | doughecka: Have you gotten Jaguar yet? |
| 23:06:39 | doughecka | even UT 2003 runs fine on it |
| 23:06:44 | paul | wow? wow "high" or wow "low"? :) |
| 23:06:46 | doughecka | Widget: yup yup yup |
| 23:06:53 | doughecka | Widget: its wonderful |
| 23:06:58 | Widget | I know. |
| 23:07:05 | doughecka | much smoother grafics and stuff |
| 23:07:17 | Widget | It has a new font. |
| 23:07:19 | Widget | "Cochin". |
| 23:07:31 | BZFrank | wow low :) (no offence meant ;)) |
| 23:07:35 | paul | Widget: eh? is that new zeelandish? |
| 23:07:46 | Widget | paul: It's the name of the new font in Jaguar. |
| 23:07:52 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:07:52 | paul | BZFrank: its playable. |
| 23:09:07 | BZFrank | that depends on the definition of playable of course ;) A G200 is not particular a 3d card |
| 23:09:15 | doughecka | oops |
| 23:09:19 | doughecka | unpluged my mouse |
| 23:09:30 | paul | BZFrank: no, it isnt. :) |
| 23:09:49 | paul | BZFrank: must rig up my O2 sometime to the network and play bzflag with it. |
| 23:10:20 | BZFrank | 180sc? |
| 23:10:42 | paul | BZFrank: there's a simulation demo that came with it, quite complex bit of OpenGL, still does it 15+fps. |
| 23:11:04 | paul | R10k 175MHz 768MB RAM. :) |
| 23:11:13 | BZFrank | I know, got only of these too (O2 R5k180sc) |
| 23:11:25 | paul | amazing how cheap they are now. |
| 23:11:59 | paul | bought mine for $1200 dollars (for mpeg'ing VHS). Now they're sub $500. |
| 23:12:32 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:12:47 | BZFrank | payed 12000 DM 3 years ago... |
| 23:12:55 | paul | ouch. |
| 23:13:01 | BZFrank | or was it 4...? anyway |
| 23:13:23 | doughecka | now its euros.. |
| 23:13:28 | paul | prices have dropped like a lead balloon over the last year - lots of companies are ditching their SGI kit. |
| 23:13:35 | Widget | 6000 euro. |
| 23:13:39 | doughecka | ouch |
| 23:13:57 | BZFrank | the Octane MXI is still faster ;) |
| 23:14:09 | BZFrank | yep, i got the Octane cheaper |
| 23:14:13 | paul | depending on spec and when they were first sold - it might have cost EUR15k+ new. |
| 23:14:21 | doughecka | woah |
| 23:14:23 | paul | BZFrank: octane? ooh. |
| 23:14:46 | paul | is waiting for the day dual Octane R12ks with MXI are sub $1k. :) |
| 23:14:46 | BZFrank | Only single CPU 190MHz R10k, 512 MB memory but TExture memory! ;) |
| 23:14:55 | doughecka | HAHA |
| 23:15:05 | paul | they're fast alright. |
| 23:15:17 | BZFrank | don't laugth - texture memory was very expensive for the SGIs |
| 23:15:20 | paul | the low-end octanes are already sub $600 on ebay. |
| 23:15:26 | paul | BZFrank: yep.. |
| 23:15:45 | BZFrank | still got a HighImpact card for a Indigo somewhere with textures |
| 23:16:07 | paul | SGIs were amazing machines in their day. |
| 23:16:19 | paul | still are, bar outright CPU speed. |
| 23:16:27 | BZFrank | still they are nice, some companies use these systems even today for FEM stuff |
| 23:16:38 | paul | yep.. |
| 23:17:22 | BZFrank | but any PC with cheapo GFX card blows them away 3d performance wise |
| 23:17:32 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:17:34 | paul | also for movie stuff. PCs dont do 48bit RGBA yet. |
| 23:17:39 | doughecka | woah |
| 23:17:44 | paul | BZFrank: how badly? |
| 23:17:44 | doughecka | and why would you? |
| 23:17:52 | BZFrank | very badly |
| 23:18:06 | paul | really? |
| 23:18:12 | BZFrank | yep, tested |
| 23:18:32 | BZFrank | factor 1:4 to 1:8 in speed with a GF card |
| 23:18:35 | paul | any rough 'rule-of-thumb' type figures? |
| 23:18:37 | paul | oh. |
| 23:18:44 | BZFrank | did not try the GF4 yet ;) |
| 23:19:07 | BZFrank | the were with a plain GF256 card |
| 23:19:19 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:19:29 | paul | which SGI did you test? is the 1:4 the octane MXI? |
| 23:19:40 | BZFrank | yep, the o2 is even slower |
| 23:19:55 | paul | oh, the O2 is definitely slow for 3D. |
| 23:20:05 | paul | it wasnt that fast when it came out even. |
| 23:20:20 | paul | but 3D isnt its forte either. |
| 23:20:31 | BZFrank | but nice video/audio |
| 23:20:39 | paul | yes. |
| 23:20:50 | paul | ICE - Integrated Compression Engine. |
| 23:20:58 | paul | hardware realtime PAL -> MPEG. |
| 23:21:17 | BZFrank | no, ICE is now a trademark of Shuttle Inc - Integrated Cooling Engine ;) |
| 23:21:23 | paul | :) |
| 23:21:34 | BZFrank | but only MPEG1 |
| 23:21:42 | paul | yes. |
| 23:22:04 | BZFrank | good for making VCDs |
| 23:22:56 | paul | though... i wonder if any of the recent IRIX updates add more support. (must check). ICE is a generic compression engine, they can add acceleration for other codecs to the IRIX libs. |
| 23:23:55 | BZFrank | mhmm, still with 6.3 on my O2 box |
| 23:24:16 | BZFrank | but MPEG2 is too complex, methinks |
| 23:25:49 | BZFrank | I leave that o you trust linux pc |
| 23:25:59 | BZFrank | o you = to my ;) |
| 23:26:48 | paul | http://www.futuretech.vuurwerk.nl/o2arch.html#ICE |
| 23:27:03 | BZFrank | http://www.linuxtv.org/mpeg2/kfir.xml |
| 23:27:25 | paul | cool.. |
| 23:28:50 | BZFrank | the WinTV PVR may be another alternative but its windows only |
| 23:29:29 | BZFrank | but soon the normal DVD-players will play DIVX so MPEG2 is only temporary |
| 23:29:39 | BZFrank | important |
| 23:30:07 | paul | makes the above card a bit redundant though.. |
| 23:30:17 | paul | what codecs can mpeg4 use? |
| 23:30:22 | paul | mjpeg? |
| 23:30:30 | BZFrank | still you need a >800 MHz box to realtime encode in divx |
| 23:30:37 | paul | eek. |
| 23:30:48 | BZFrank | better have mucho mhz handy ;) |
| 23:30:53 | paul | yep. |
| 23:31:22 | paul | have a box in work that does motion capture of 3 PAL inputs (security cameras, motion.technolust.cx software). |
| 23:31:41 | BZFrank | nice :) |
| 23:32:01 | paul | but not real-time. it has a load of 20+ at times during the day, then catches up overnight on the MPEG encoding when there's little movement. :) |
| 23:32:05 | BZFrank | watching& recording three channels TV at the same time |
| 23:32:09 | BZFrank | ah |
| 23:32:26 | paul | dual AMD 1.3GHz + 2GB RAM. |
| 23:32:56 | paul | 2 of them actually.. |
| 23:32:57 | BZFrank | well, the best you can do is get a P4 with > 2 Ghz and a plain BT848 based TV grabber card |
| 23:33:04 | paul | why? |
| 23:33:09 | BZFrank | that works surprisingly well |
| 23:33:30 | paul | or i could just upgrade the CPUs in the existing boxes. :) |
| 23:33:49 | BZFrank | does not work out - usually a new box is cheaper |
| 23:34:01 | paul | as long it manages to catch up on the MPEG processing load by the next morning, it doesnt matter. |
| 23:34:55 | BZFrank | sure, for your application - but grabbing TV or VHS videos to DVD/SVCD needs other means |
| 23:35:15 | paul | ? |
| 23:35:35 | BZFrank | ? |
| 23:36:05 | paul | what other means precisely? also, why P4 over Athlon? |
| 23:36:13 | BZFrank | SSE2 |
| 23:36:28 | BZFrank | I did not belive it, but it works out a difference |
| 23:37:29 | BZFrank | also I dislike three mile island syndrom PCs, so I prefer the autothrotteling of the P4 in case of termal problems |
| 23:38:32 | paul | indeed. but unless someone adds support to gcc to do SSE optimisations, the point is moot. :) |
| 23:38:41 | BZFrank | sure :) |
| 23:38:45 | paul | is SSE2 a huge improvement over SSE? (Later Athlons have SSE dont they?) |
| 23:38:55 | BZFrank | does gcc3.x do something in this respect? |
| 23:39:06 | paul | anyway, the application uses stock fp, so afaict, Athlon still beats P4. (esp. with gcc). |
| 23:39:12 | BZFrank | the intel compiler does |
| 23:40:00 | BZFrank | only is it a bit expensive (cost me 800 DM last year ~ 400 Euros) |
| 23:41:00 | paul | ah, the Athlons arent too bad once you make sure the box has enough fans :). gcc3.x -> no idea, but i doubt it. |
| 23:42:16 | paul | anyway, once P4 SMP boards are available, i'll consider it. need SMP due to space issues - need bigish cases to holds disks, 3U, hence SMP to pack the CPUs in. |
| 23:42:50 | BZFrank | you need XEONs ther ;) |
| 23:42:55 | BZFrank | then |
| 23:44:17 | paul | did i mention cost was preferably to be minimised? :) |
| 23:44:48 | BZFrank | ok ok ;) |
| 23:45:07 | BZFrank | I more prefer the 'money does not matter' approach :) |
| 23:46:56 | paul | well, then i'd have a beowulf cluster of Origin 2000s! :) |
| 23:48:00 | BZFrank | I think there was such a beast on ebay a few weeks ago, starting bid around 150000 Euros |
| 23:48:16 | paul | wow. |
| 23:48:34 | BZFrank | at least ome big iron SGI server it was |
| 23:49:01 | paul | there was an Origin on ebay bout a year ago, 11 node, 22 CPU, 1GB per node starting at $/40/k! |
| 23:49:15 | paul | dont know what it went for. (if it even sold) |
| 23:49:31 | BZFrank | US ebay, yes. this one was on the Germany ebay |
| 23:49:42 | BZFrank | they don't sell usually |
| 23:50:00 | paul | are you german? |
| 23:50:14 | BZFrank | yes |
| 23:50:18 | paul | aaahhh... |
| 23:50:49 | paul | had you confused with tim all this time. |
| 23:50:49 | BZFrank | otherwise I would calculate in $ ;) |
| 23:51:02 | paul | should look at the nicks more closely. |
| 23:51:12 | BZFrank | hehe ;) |
| 23:51:22 | BZFrank | Not BZFlag ;) |
| 23:51:23 | paul | i just saw BZF... and parsed it as BZFlag. doh. |
| 23:51:39 | paul | will do full text matches from now on. |
| 23:51:57 | BZFrank | needs more CPU but works out better |
| 23:52:09 | paul | :) |
| 23:52:54 | paul | i suspect the Origin 2k will be one of the SGI range that i wont be adding to my collection for a while. |
| 23:53:22 | BZFrank | I think too, too heavy and needs too much power |
| 23:53:53 | paul | well... maybe just a one-node might be tolerable. :) |
| 23:54:20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:54:28 | BZFrank | not for me, my lab is on the fouth floor and no elevator ;) |
| 23:54:37 | captain_proton | BZFrank: slave labor |
| 23:56:54 | BZFrank | no slaves here beside the stairway is too small - i remember when we took the Arcade Cabinet upstairs, took 4 people to do it and a full case of beer ;) |
| 23:57:32 | Widget | BZFrank: Do you play go? |
| 23:58:31 | captain_proton | BZFrank: crane it in through the window |
| 23:58:37 | captain_proton | waitasec |
| 23:58:43 | captain_proton | your 'lab' ? |
| 23:58:43 | BZFrank | yep, got some PCBs |
| 23:58:56 | BZFrank | my lab ;) |
| 23:59:29 | BZFrank | e.g. Phoenix, Donkey Kong and awhole bunch of newer stuff |
| 23:59:55 | Nicole | have you realized how many smiliez are in this convo? |
