| 00:42:58 | blair | decks? |
| 00:43:19 | blair | i said. |
| 00:43:21 | blair | decks? |
| 00:54:01 | doughecka | *ahem* |
| 00:54:13 | doughecka | *cough* *cough* |
| 00:55:14 | Widget | doughecka: Do you have KaZaA? |
| 01:01:39 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:01:41 | doughecka | maybe |
| 01:01:45 | doughecka | why? |
| 01:06:18 | doughecka | is away: bed |
| 01:51:50 | tr45hy | anyone know how the high score board work? |
| 01:51:57 | tr45hy | s |
| 01:52:02 | tr45hy | workS |
| 01:59:12 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 01:59:18 | iLLf8d | ok nuff for now |
| 02:00:58 | iLLf8d | I bbl |
| 02:25:13 | Widget | ...... |
| 02:25:18 | Widget | ....... |
| 02:25:21 | Widget | ........ |
| 02:25:23 | Nicole | bored? |
| 02:25:36 | Widget | How did you guess? |
| 02:25:46 | Nicole | gee i have no clue |
| 02:26:31 | Nicole | ;-) |
| 02:28:52 | Widget | Today was the Last Night of the Proms. (The Proms are like a music festival, on the last night they play all the patriotic songs) |
| 02:29:05 | Widget | It was sooooo cool. |
| 02:29:17 | Nicole | o cool |
| 02:29:51 | Widget | Last year they changed the programme a lot. |
| 02:29:57 | Widget | Because of 9/11. |
| 02:30:10 | Nicole | yea..... |
| 02:30:26 | Nicole | we did a lot at our school for that |
| 02:31:00 | Widget | I can imagine. |
| 02:31:19 | Widget | They played the Star Spangled Banner last year, and they didn't play Rule, Britannia. |
| 02:31:30 | Nicole | it wasn't kinda cool because every kid in our school was wearing red white and blue |
| 02:33:18 | Widget | Ya... |
| 02:34:01 | Nicole | but it was really sad because that's all they showed on tv all day long |
| 02:35:18 | Widget | Yes, on Kuro5hin, some people were complaining that the media were making money off of other peoples' misfortunes.... but it seems they showed the coverage without adverts. |
| 02:35:40 | Nicole | yea |
| 02:35:47 | Nicole | not as bad as a year ago though |
| 02:36:12 | Nicole | it was so depressing because you couldn't do anything without having some sort of news on about the tragedy |
| 02:39:00 | Widget | Well, this year, everything went without incident, so that's good. |
| 02:39:18 | Nicole | yea |
| 02:50:43 | Widget | http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html |
| 03:13:01 | captain_proton | bwahahahah @ tank |
| 03:13:09 | captain_proton | we need to get free to play up to #d |
| 03:13:13 | captain_proton | #3 i mean |
| 03:16:24 | captain_proton | off to go rent a copy of 'zardoz' =D =D =D =D |
| 03:29:51 | scanline | thinks everybody should join #wopn and listen to the open source radio broadcast, it's nifty! |
| 04:10:28 | captain_proton | scanline: we shall be watching this movie shortly |
| 04:10:37 | captain_proton | it features sean connory shotputting women |
| 04:10:58 | scanline | captain_proton: oh my |
| 04:11:19 | scanline | captain_proton: well... I'll be doing a super-big CVS merge soon, so maybe after that =) |
| 04:13:11 | MrApathyCream | i think cvs is broken |
| 04:16:11 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: not getting notices anymore? |
| 04:37:38 | Patlabor221 | can you take me higher? |
| 04:37:46 | Patlabor221 | to a place that I might see? |
| 04:37:52 | mandy | hey patty |
| 04:38:04 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 04:38:23 | Patlabor221 | can you take me higher? |
| 04:38:26 | mandy | hows u? |
| 04:38:31 | Patlabor221 | to a place of golden dreams? |
| 04:38:32 | mandy | uh sure? |
| 04:38:34 | Patlabor221 | I'm ok |
| 04:38:36 | mandy | lol |
| 04:38:57 | Patlabor221 | how are you? |
| 04:39:10 | mandy | good |
| 04:40:16 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 04:40:49 | mandy | yeh |
| 04:42:16 | Patlabor221 | lose my head to the chemical freeway |
| 04:42:24 | Patlabor221 | coming up on overload. |
| 04:42:26 | mandy | right |
| 04:42:33 | mandy | ur a freak pat |
| 04:42:47 | Patlabor221 | I'm not broken, and I dream my way. |
| 04:42:51 | Patlabor221 | and now I'm nothing |
| 04:42:58 | Patlabor221 | I'm a cosmic castaway |
| 04:43:15 | Patlabor221 | that is quite posibly a true statement |
| 04:44:03 | mandy | plugs her ears |
| 04:44:11 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 04:44:16 | Patlabor221 | it's just a song |
| 04:44:17 | mandy | ? |
| 04:44:26 | mandy | sorry i can't hear u |
| 04:44:32 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 04:44:41 | Patlabor221 | covers his mouth |
| 04:44:51 | Patlabor221 | mmmmfftff mmtmf tmf gahhaha mmtmtmft |
| 04:45:00 | mandy | ? |
| 04:45:04 | mandy | what? |
| 04:45:19 | Patlabor221 | mmmffft |
| 04:45:30 | Patlabor221 | thought you could not hear |
| 04:45:31 | mandy | still can't hear |
| 04:45:38 | Patlabor221 | riiiiighht |
| 04:45:41 | mandy | what? |
| 04:46:05 | Patlabor221 | I'm a slave to karma. |
| 04:46:11 | mandy | right |
| 04:46:12 | Patlabor221 | spin the wheel and I'm a king reborn |
| 04:46:24 | Patlabor221 | hey I don't make this stuff up |
| 04:47:16 | mandy | right |
| 04:47:21 | Patlabor221 | no realy |
| 04:47:23 | Patlabor221 | I don't |
| 04:47:28 | Patlabor221 | I'm not that talent |
| 04:47:33 | Patlabor221 | talented |
| 04:47:41 | mandy | lol |
| 04:47:59 | Patlabor221 | I only have 1 hour of youth left |
| 04:48:13 | mandy | act like an idiot |
| 04:48:43 | Patlabor221 | I thought that's what I was doing? |
| 04:48:49 | mandy | oh yeahh |
| 04:49:21 | mandy | go have some sex or something |
| 04:50:44 | Patlabor221 | what would require another person |
| 04:50:53 | Patlabor221 | who is at an atlantis concert |
| 04:51:01 | mandy | oh |
| 04:51:04 | mandy | lolz |
| 04:51:18 | mandy | could go get a blow doll |
| 04:51:30 | Patlabor221 | proably not the same |
| 04:51:42 | mandy | right |
| 04:53:08 | Patlabor221 | well techincaly I was boorn at 2:35 in the afternoon |
| 04:53:10 | Patlabor221 | so I got some time |
| 04:53:46 | mandy | oh |
| 04:55:25 | Patlabor221 | up rather late are you no |
| 04:56:17 | mandy | yeh |
| 04:56:21 | mandy | oh well |
| 04:58:47 | Patlabor221 | anything interseting today? |
| 04:59:03 | mandy | nope |
| 05:01:15 | Patlabor221 | nothing? |
| 05:01:22 | Patlabor221 | well I guess the same for me |
| 05:01:33 | Patlabor221 | I bought a new hoover |
| 05:01:35 | Patlabor221 | and some speakers |
| 05:01:37 | Patlabor221 | that's about it |
| 05:02:39 | mandy | oh |
| 05:06:47 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 05:06:52 | Patlabor221 | horibly exciting |
| 05:07:02 | Patlabor221 | and I moved the furniture |
| 05:07:05 | mandy | yep |
| 05:07:08 | mandy | wow |
| 05:10:06 | mandy | hmm |
| 05:10:20 | Patlabor221 | hmmm? |
| 05:10:29 | mandy | nuttin |
| 05:11:26 | Patlabor221 | another one? |
| 05:11:34 | Patlabor221 | gets the shotgun. |
| 05:11:42 | mandy | ah! |
| 05:12:24 | Patlabor221 | puts the shotgun "nickserv" back in the rack. |
| 05:12:28 | Patlabor221 | takes care of that. |
| 05:14:37 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: nope |
| 05:16:21 | mandy | lalala |
| 05:19:07 | Patlabor221 | every time you type that I think of the Daria show that was on MTV |
| 05:19:22 | mandy | lalala? |
| 05:19:26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:19:42 | mandy | lol |
| 05:20:15 | captain_proton | scanline: we're gonna start zardoz soon |
| 05:20:29 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:20:58 | scanline | debates whether to write the last bits of code necessary before merging textbox_branch back into HEAD, or watch cheesy sci-fi |
| 05:21:15 | Patlabor221 | how cheezey? |
| 05:21:19 | captain_proton | you mean there's even an argument? |
| 05:21:29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: sean connory in a loin cloth shotputting women? |
| 05:21:45 | Patlabor221 | at least he's not in a bear suit |
| 05:22:00 | Patlabor221 | do you just pull this all outa your ass? |
| 05:22:07 | captain_proton | supposedly this movie also includes Gratuitous Breast Shots |
| 05:22:11 | captain_proton | *shrug* |
| 05:22:16 | Patlabor221 | so does porn |
| 05:22:26 | Patlabor221 | and that may have a better story |
| 05:24:42 | captain_proton | so scanline, whats it gonna be |
| 05:25:11 | scanline | I think I'll choose the code this time |
| 05:25:20 | scanline | I'm actually Getting Stuff Done (tm) |
| 05:25:23 | captain_proton | wow |
| 05:25:28 | captain_proton | is amazed |
| 05:25:31 | captain_proton | oh well, your loss |
| 05:26:01 | Patlabor221 | is off to pretend to be the master chief for a while. |
| 05:26:15 | Patlabor221 | see ya all |
| 05:26:24 | captain_proton | off to ZARDOZ |
| 05:39:01 | captain_proton | sean connery in a ponytail and red boxors...thats just not right |
| 05:44:15 | mandy | cya laterz |
| 05:44:20 | mandy | i'm outa here |
| 07:05:19 | captain_proton | i think this movie is an attempt to make you feel like you're on crack |
| 07:13:37 | captain_proton | Weirdest. Movie. Ever. |
| 07:21:45 | Widget | captain_proton: Which movie? |
| 07:21:49 | Widget | captain_proton: Zardoz? |
| 07:22:46 | captain_proton | yepyep |
| 07:22:59 | captain_proton | i feel like i've been hit in the head with a brick filled with crack cocaine |
| 07:23:18 | Widget | So you're having one of your more clear-thinking moments. |
| 07:24:18 | captain_proton | pokes scanline |
| 07:24:52 | scanline | is poked, he supposes |
| 07:25:00 | captain_proton | scanline: how does one rip a dvd? |
| 07:25:12 | scanline | dvd::rip, transcode, mplayer... there are options |
| 07:25:22 | scanline | want me do do it? |
| 07:26:02 | captain_proton | ooh yeah |
| 07:26:07 | scanline | alrighty |
| 07:26:13 | captain_proton | could you make it encode to a file around 700mb? |
| 07:26:16 | scanline | sure |
| 07:26:23 | scanline | is divx5 alright? |
| 07:26:30 | captain_proton | i think |
| 07:26:34 | scanline | k |
| 07:26:34 | captain_proton | so long as i can play the file :) |
| 07:26:43 | scanline | yep |
| 07:27:52 | captain_proton | i gotta get the dvd back from you by tomorrow afternoon though |
| 07:27:56 | captain_proton | need to return it :) |
| 07:28:03 | captain_proton | your door open? |
| 07:29:21 | scanline | it will be by the time I type this + a few seconds |
| 07:29:35 | captain_proton | kk |
| 07:29:39 | scanline | well, I'll be leaving at maybe 7 AM |
| 07:29:42 | captain_proton | goes to deliver the oh-so-excellent dvd |
| 07:29:56 | captain_proton | perhaps you can copy off the vob files and get it back to me tonight |
| 07:30:05 | scanline | yeah, that's what I was planning |
| 07:30:10 | scanline | takes maybe 30 minutes to copy it |
| 07:31:39 | scanline | starts zardoz ripping |
| 07:31:48 | scanline | 126 FPS |
| 07:31:55 | scanline | ETA about 20 minutes |
| 07:32:01 | captain_proton | bwahahahaha |
| 07:32:11 | scanline | it will take a lot longer to encode though |
| 07:33:13 | captain_proton | yes it will |
| 07:33:38 | captain_proton | my roommate is staring into space completely unable to think now |
| 07:34:12 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:34:18 | scanline | is high on coffee, writing code |
| 07:34:25 | captain_proton | SPACE: 1999 was also quite excellent |
| 07:34:43 | captain_proton | complete with disco theme music and nuclear magnetic fields shoving the moon out of orbit |
| 07:34:50 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:34:57 | scanline | did you rent that, or was it in divx? |
| 07:35:16 | captain_proton | SPACE? |
| 07:35:19 | scanline | yea |
| 07:35:26 | captain_proton | grabbing that off dalnet in divx |
| 07:35:34 | scanline | mmkay |
| 07:35:44 | captain_proton | though we did notice that the video station had the full dvd box set (when we went to rent this) |
| 07:37:57 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:38:04 | captain_proton | oh yeah |
| 07:38:15 | captain_proton | space 1999's uniforms include bellbottoms |
| 07:38:19 | captain_proton | trots off to shower |
| 07:38:27 | scanline | funky |
| 07:51:20 | scanline | captain_proton: rip's done |
| 07:52:47 | Bongulim | does anyone have a clue what is THIS: http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/ ? |
| 07:53:04 | scanline | hmm.. looks like this rip process is somewhat multithreaded, it's using 100% of one CPU and around 60% of the other |
| 07:53:56 | scanline | waits for his case temperature to rise =) |
| 08:02:36 | | I didn't order any WOO-WOO ... Maybe a YUBBA ... But no WOO-WOO! |
| 08:02:36 | Bongulim | ibot yow |
| 08:02:36 | captain_proton | Bongulim: what about it? |
| 08:02:44 | Bongulim | what is it? |
| 08:03:03 | captain_proton | right now just a small set of libraries that patlabor221 and i have been working on |
| 08:03:09 | captain_proton | eventually it might become a real tank game |
| 08:03:37 | Bongulim | mystery... |
| 08:05:31 | scanline | captain_proton: want your DVD back? |
| 08:05:43 | captain_proton | yes |
| 08:05:46 | captain_proton | lemme come grab it |
| 08:05:52 | scanline | captain_proton: transcode appears to be multithreaded, so it's running nice and fast on my dual athlon =) |
| 08:07:19 | captain_proton | thexy |
| 08:08:08 | scanline | hmm... CPU1 at 52.5 degrees C |
| 08:09:09 | captain_proton | scanline: got an ETA? |
| 08:09:28 | scanline | says 7.5 hours.. not sure if that's right |
| 08:09:46 | scanline | it's a two-pass encode, and it's going at 10.1 fps now |
| 08:10:13 | scanline | heh.. reading the VOB files at 3.4MB/s |
| 08:10:34 | scanline | the progress bar for dvd::rip is kinda wonky |
| 08:14:30 | metal_magic | hi |
| 08:14:47 | metal_magic | come to play on ducati now! :-) |
| 08:32:58 | captain_proton | bedtime |
| 08:33:04 | scanline | g'night captain_proton |
| 08:33:13 | scanline | intends to stay up a while longer |
| 08:33:31 | captain_proton | watching a quality film? ;) |
| 08:33:46 | metal_magic | good night, captain_proton |
| 08:33:47 | scanline | nah.. want to get plaintext load/save working correctly, then merge this bugger |
| 08:34:06 | captain_proton | oh well |
| 08:34:08 | captain_proton | 'night all |
| 08:34:18 | scanline | maybe I'll watch a movie whilst coding |
| 08:34:43 | scanline | has to be one I've seen a lot already, or I won't pay attention to the code :) |
| 08:35:08 | scanline | hmm.. how about Die Hard.. haven't seen that in a while |
| 09:26:31 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 09:26:44 | metal_magic | hi |
| 09:26:47 | [BZ]Ruudi | lets have some blast in ducati? |
| 09:26:59 | metal_magic | ok |
| 10:37:47 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 11:05:29 | | pinguin was last seen on #bzflag 18 hours, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: ibot: ducati? [Sat Sep 14 17:11:51 2002] |
| 11:05:29 | [TeA]98 | ibot, seen pinguin |
| 11:05:37 | | bomber was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: bye [Fri Sep 13 15:08:15 2002] |
| 11:05:37 | [TeA]98 | ibot, seen bomber |
| 11:05:49 | | [TeA]98: sorry... |
| 11:05:49 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducatu |
| 11:05:54 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:05:54 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 11:06:02 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:37:42 | metal_magic | cu |
| 12:20:31 | scanline | is away: fun |
| 13:15:32 | sussudio | likes to play G:\ogg\Nine Inch Nails\The Downward Spiral\(Nine_Inch_Nails)_[03]_Heresy.ogg on sundays |
| 13:48:34 | sussudio | yeah it's official.... my cablemodem SUCKS AAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 13:48:54 | sussudio | i get 120ms on astercity with a single channel isdn connection (64kbit). |
| 13:49:02 | sussudio | i get 1500ms with this piece of crap cablemodem. |
| 14:03:46 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:03:46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 14:03:47 | bzbot | Jman (R): 19 (46-27). Snoke (G): -16 (29-45). dave (G): -32 (14-46). Chestal (G): 8 (19-11). Fluffy (R): -1 (2-3). Twisted Cortex (R): -4 (4-8). |
| 14:10:41 | bomber | hello |
| 14:10:47 | bomber | Pinguin? |
| 14:10:58 | Pinguin | Hi |
| 14:11:03 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:11:03 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 14:11:03 | bzbot | Jman (R): 20 (64-44). Snoke (G): -8 (51-59). dave (G): -33 (29-62). Chestal (G): 18 (42-24). Fluffy (R): -10 (14-24). Twisted Cortex (R): -8 (17-25). Marn (R): -7 (1-8). |
| 14:11:08 | Pinguin | tz tz tz |
| 14:11:16 | bomber | zt zt zt |
| 14:22:55 | mandy | hihihi |
| 14:23:49 | jzaun | hi |
| 14:25:03 | mandy | hi |
| 14:31:38 | jzaun | Anyone good at Geometry? |
| 14:36:00 | Chestal | no |
| 14:40:35 | bomber | Tea? |
| 14:45:56 | [TeA|TrEE] | what |
| 14:45:57 | [TeA|TrEE] | what |
| 14:47:04 | bomber | chesstal: hast du nicht zufällig bamf gesehen? :o) |
| 14:50:08 | Chestal | heut noch net |
| 15:01:47 | sussudio | isnt it strange that you cannot make tv commercials for booze, cigarettes, aimed at kids, but you CAN teach them to become fat little bastards by forcing 'mcdonalds happy meals' on them? |
| 15:02:07 | doughecka | ho ho! |
| 15:02:13 | doughecka | indeed |
| 15:02:59 | sussudio | get em young..... kids dont really care what they eat, taste isnt fixed till theyre about 14 |
| 15:03:07 | doughecka | hehe |
| 15:03:18 | sussudio | some of them may actually think mcdonalds crap -tastes- good |
| 15:03:21 | doughecka | as long as it aint viggies |
| 15:03:27 | doughecka | veggies |
| 15:03:33 | doughecka | its OK |
| 15:03:42 | sussudio | you cant live on veggies alone |
| 15:03:47 | doughecka | hehe |
| 15:03:49 | sussudio | you'll end up looking like michael stipe and moby |
| 15:04:08 | doughecka | nor penut and jelly sandwicht |
| 15:06:34 | sussudio | peanutbutter isnt that bad |
| 15:06:50 | doughecka | yea, but if thats all you eat.... |
| 15:07:10 | sussudio | it is, ofcourse, the #1 cause of choking to death in the USA |
| 15:07:18 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:07:24 | sussudio | no really |
| 15:07:43 | sussudio | "peanutbutter stuck to the roof of your mouth" |
| 15:07:45 | sussudio | gasp |
| 15:07:55 | doughecka | *thud* |
| 15:08:04 | mandy | lol |
| 15:08:25 | sussudio | i think pieces of chicken is #2 |
| 15:08:39 | doughecka | or chicken heads in meals |
| 15:12:25 | sussudio | or cablemodems stuck up ISP's nose..... |
| 15:12:34 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:13:02 | sussudio | maybe i need to smack that stupid thing a couple of times |
| 15:13:16 | doughecka | get dsl |
| 15:13:25 | sussudio | bah |
| 15:13:30 | sussudio | i dont have dsl cash |
| 15:13:36 | doughecka | satelite? |
| 15:13:52 | sussudio | i want LESS lag |
| 15:13:58 | doughecka | hehe |
| 15:14:00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:14:10 | doughecka | isdn? |
| 15:14:16 | doughecka | idsl? |
| 15:14:30 | sussudio | hello... local calls are $4 an hour here..... |
| 15:14:36 | doughecka | k |
| 15:14:37 | doughecka | :P |
| 15:14:57 | sussudio | i'd be happy with single or double isdn |
| 15:15:04 | sussudio | at least it doesnt fucking lag like this thing |
| 15:15:07 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:15:27 | doughecka | how about moving? |
| 15:15:54 | sussudio | yeah right. to what? belgium? germany? |
| 15:16:05 | doughecka | greece |
| 15:16:09 | doughecka | LOL |
| 15:16:14 | sussudio | um fuckno |
| 15:16:26 | sussudio | hm power adsl 8mbit :-P |
| 15:16:31 | doughecka | wooo |
| 15:16:31 | sussudio | 119 euro/month |
| 15:16:35 | doughecka | yikes |
| 15:16:42 | sussudio | 150GB datalimit |
| 15:16:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:16:53 | doughecka | thats bad |
| 15:17:12 | sussudio | err |
| 15:17:19 | sussudio | thats 5G a day |
| 15:17:35 | doughecka | yea, but 8mbit speed... |
| 15:17:48 | sussudio | unless you're leeching every pr0n newsgroup in existence.. how do you get 5G? |
| 15:17:58 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:18:25 | doughecka | heya patlabor221 |
| 15:18:35 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 15:19:36 | mandy | hey patty :P |
| 15:19:47 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:19:56 | mandy | lol |
| 15:20:13 | doughecka | wonders why his computer wont boot when he swaps drives |
| 15:20:23 | doughecka | it gives a STOP error |
| 15:20:31 | doughecka | and says inaccessable boot device |
| 15:20:46 | doughecka | but I put it back in the old computer, and it runs fine! |
| 15:20:50 | doughecka | wierd |
| 15:21:06 | patlabor221 | does it stop in the HAL? |
| 15:21:07 | sussudio | set the right bios parameters |
| 15:21:15 | doughecka | HAL? |
| 15:21:20 | doughecka | sussudio: they are |
| 15:21:23 | patlabor221 | Hardware Absratcion layer |
| 15:21:28 | doughecka | hmm, dunno |
| 15:21:34 | sussudio | set the jumpers right |
| 15:21:40 | patlabor221 | are the chipsets difrent between the mobos? |
| 15:21:45 | doughecka | very |
| 15:21:51 | patlabor221 | and was 2k installed on the other mobo? |
| 15:21:56 | doughecka | yyup |
| 15:21:58 | doughecka | :( |
| 15:22:05 | patlabor221 | then you get to reinstall |
| 15:22:07 | sussudio | some retarded manufacturers like Dell set the jumpers to cable select |
| 15:22:11 | doughecka | BAH! |
| 15:22:16 | doughecka | I dont wanna reinstall |
| 15:22:20 | patlabor221 | 3k installes kernal stuff for the mobo |
| 15:22:24 | patlabor221 | 2k sorry |
| 15:22:29 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:22:33 | patlabor221 | it's not your drive |
| 15:22:34 | doughecka | I cant boot in safe? |
| 15:22:43 | doughecka | and reinstall them? |
| 15:22:44 | patlabor221 | I have this happen every time I update my mobo |
| 15:22:49 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 15:22:49 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 15:23:03 | patlabor221 | 2k does not like core hardware changes |
| 15:23:07 | patlabor221 | XP seems better at it |
| 15:23:13 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:23:15 | patlabor221 | odly 98 handled it best |
| 15:23:19 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:23:49 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:24:01 | doughecka | bummer |
| 15:24:01 | patlabor221 | you can try a repair |
| 15:24:05 | patlabor221 | or an install on top |
| 15:24:08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:24:13 | doughecka | cant I upgrade? |
| 15:24:13 | patlabor221 | that works some times |
| 15:24:18 | patlabor221 | you can |
| 15:24:21 | doughecka | 2000 to 2000/... |
| 15:24:24 | doughecka | maybe... |
| 15:24:28 | patlabor221 | that's what I mean install on top |
| 15:24:31 | doughecka | ah |
| 15:24:36 | doughecka | save all my settings... |
| 15:24:41 | doughecka | but get new drivers.. |
| 15:24:41 | patlabor221 | that's the theroy |
| 15:24:46 | doughecka | hehe |
| 15:24:49 | patlabor221 | sometimes it dosn't work tho |
| 15:24:59 | doughecka | how come windows 98 wont see my drive? |
| 15:25:05 | doughecka | I tried installing 98 |
| 15:25:09 | patlabor221 | is it NTFS? |
| 15:25:14 | patlabor221 | or Fat32? |
| 15:25:14 | doughecka | and it would not see FAT32 |
| 15:25:20 | doughecka | FAT32 |
| 15:25:22 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 15:25:26 | patlabor221 | should show up |
| 15:25:32 | patlabor221 | I'll bet it's NTFS |
| 15:25:32 | doughecka | but the primary part is NTFS |
| 15:25:36 | patlabor221 | there you go |
| 15:25:44 | doughecka | the seconddary part is FAT32... |
| 15:25:51 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 15:25:57 | doughecka | I though I could install on the fat harlf |
| 15:26:02 | doughecka | half |
| 15:26:02 | sussudio | leeenux sees all |
| 15:26:05 | doughecka | tsk, oh well |
| 15:26:17 | doughecka | sussudio: aye, that it does |
| 15:26:22 | mandy | hi ruudi |
| 15:26:24 | patlabor221 | 2k/XP sees all |
| 15:26:31 | patlabor221 | 98 is a crock |
| 15:26:36 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:26:43 | doughecka | but 98 only needs 1 floppy |
| 15:26:44 | sussudio | with the ntfs patch it'll even see freak ntfs5.1 partitions.. like the 60GB one i made |
| 15:26:53 | patlabor221 | for what? |
| 15:26:57 | doughecka | 2000 needs 4 boot floppys |
| 15:27:02 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:27:03 | doughecka | or installing |
| 15:27:05 | patlabor221 | it is larger |
| 15:27:08 | sussudio | floppies |
| 15:27:13 | patlabor221 | that's why we all boot off CDs these days |
| 15:27:30 | doughecka | cant I boot off my 98 cdrom drivers floppy, and run 2000 install from DOS? |
| 15:27:40 | sussudio | no |
| 15:27:47 | sussudio | boot from the win2000 cd |
| 15:27:49 | doughecka | thought so |
| 15:27:53 | patlabor221 | dude can't you just boot the CD? |
| 15:27:55 | doughecka | ti wont boot |
| 15:27:57 | doughecka | nope |
| 15:28:02 | doughecka | somethings not right |
| 15:28:04 | patlabor221 | get non anchent hardware |
| 15:28:10 | doughecka | hehe |
| 15:28:30 | doughecka | thats what I am gonna do next week |
| 15:28:35 | patlabor221 | but 98 will only use 64 megs of ram :) |
| 15:28:39 | mandy | ok bye all |
| 15:28:42 | doughecka | oh? |
| 15:28:44 | mandy | cya laterz |
| 15:28:44 | sussudio | 95 will do with 16 |
| 15:28:45 | patlabor221 | bye |
| 15:28:46 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi mandy |
| 15:28:47 | doughecka | only 64? |
| 15:28:51 | mandy | oh |
| 15:28:53 | doughecka | :P |
| 15:28:55 | mandy | bye ruudi |
| 15:28:56 | doughecka | me needs 128 |
| 15:28:59 | [BZ]Ruudi | bye mandy |
| 15:29:01 | patlabor221 | yeah the mem manager strats carping out after 64 |
| 15:29:02 | doughecka | ME* |
| 15:29:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:29:08 | sussudio | taunts doughecka with a 128MB dimm |
| 15:29:08 | doughecka | wierd |
| 15:29:10 | patlabor221 | I am not talking needs |
| 15:29:18 | patlabor221 | I am talking can use |
| 15:29:18 | doughecka | waves his 256 chip at sussudio |
| 15:29:21 | doughecka | oh |
| 15:29:30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:29:30 | [BZ]Ruudi | ibot ducati |
| 15:29:30 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 15:29:34 | doughecka | waves 4 256 chips at sussudio |
| 15:29:36 | patlabor221 | just looks at the gig of ram in his machine |
| 15:29:41 | sussudio | 2os[Windows 2000 Professional, Service Pack 3 (5.0 - 2195)] 2uptime[23h 13m 36s] 2cpu[1-AMD Athlon K7, 799MHz, 512KB] 2mem[Usage: 160/1024MB (15.63%) [||--------]] |
| 15:29:43 | doughecka | har har |
| 15:30:01 | patlabor221 | 800, dude you suck |
| 15:30:14 | patlabor221 | how do you get that list thing? |
| 15:30:14 | doughecka | haha |
| 15:30:15 | sussudio | i have an ati radeon |
| 15:30:20 | patlabor221 | still you suck |
| 15:30:28 | sussudio | i'll kick your ass in bzf with your puny gf2's |
| 15:30:36 | doughecka | gf4ti4600s? |
| 15:30:38 | patlabor221 | who said I have a 2 |
| 15:30:41 | doughecka | yah, right |
| 15:30:46 | patlabor221 | here it's a 3 |
| 15:30:48 | [BZ]Ruudi | ok who wants some ass kicking lets go into ducati |
| 15:30:50 | patlabor221 | what radion |
| 15:30:51 | sussudio | all gf's suck |
| 15:31:00 | sussudio | radeon aiw |
| 15:31:00 | patlabor221 | what radion? |
| 15:31:05 | patlabor221 | aiw?!? |
| 15:31:09 | patlabor221 | does it have a number? |
| 15:31:12 | doughecka | ah radioactive metel |
| 15:31:17 | doughecka | brbr |
| 15:31:20 | sussudio | 1-800-dial-a-radeon? |
| 15:31:26 | [BZ]Ruudi | got TNT2 but still kicks you both |
| 15:31:28 | sussudio | has video in and out |
| 15:31:36 | patlabor221 | unless that number is 9700 then it don't beat no GF |
| 15:31:37 | sussudio | TNT2 is ugggggggggly with bzf |
| 15:31:47 | patlabor221 | ick no hardware TL |
| 15:31:50 | [BZ]Ruudi | i'm good anyway :P |
| 15:32:00 | sussudio | my mom has one of those tnt2 crapthings |
| 15:32:08 | sussudio | its just unsightly with bzf |
| 15:32:23 | [BZ]Ruudi | what's your mothers bz alias? |
| 15:32:32 | [BZ]Ruudi | Chestal :? |
| 15:32:40 | sussudio | dont make me hurt you |
| 15:32:56 | [BZ]Ruudi | ok come to ducati |
| 15:33:00 | patlabor221 | I'll bet you have like a little radion VE or DDR |
| 15:33:04 | sussudio | i played there for a bit but it was just too ugly with that gf crap |
| 15:33:22 | sussudio | its an AIW dumbo |
| 15:33:24 | sussudio | already told you |
| 15:33:27 | patlabor221 | ugly? wiht GL it's should look exeactly the same? |
| 15:33:33 | sussudio | no it doesnt |
| 15:33:34 | patlabor221 | I don't see a listing for a AIW |
| 15:33:42 | sussudio | All-In-Wonder |
| 15:33:47 | patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 15:33:51 | patlabor221 | I am soooooo sorry |
| 15:33:56 | sussudio | it cost me $0 |
| 15:34:02 | patlabor221 | how are you dealing wiht the shit drivers |
| 15:34:05 | patlabor221 | so did my GF3 |
| 15:34:10 | patlabor221 | and the 4's |
| 15:34:18 | patlabor221 | and the Radion 9000's |
| 15:34:19 | sussudio | yeah but i didnt steal mine |
| 15:34:23 | patlabor221 | not did I |
| 15:34:36 | patlabor221 | ref boards from the companys |
| 15:34:41 | patlabor221 | I'm a registerd dev |
| 15:35:03 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:35:03 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:35:04 | bzbot | anaconda (R): -3 (0-3). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 3 (3-0). |
| 15:35:18 | sussudio | innerspace still sux |
| 15:35:48 | patlabor221 | offta that's a radion 1 |
| 15:35:52 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 15:35:56 | patlabor221 | they work ok tho |
| 15:36:02 | patlabor221 | same chip that's in the 64 meg DDR |
| 15:36:09 | patlabor221 | no shaders |
| 15:36:36 | sussudio | i dont care really |
| 15:36:39 | patlabor221 | little slower then a GF2 ultra |
| 15:36:41 | sussudio | i can capture with it |
| 15:36:46 | sussudio | noway.... |
| 15:36:51 | patlabor221 | yeah that's what I used mine for |
| 15:36:53 | sussudio | i get like twice the fps with bzf |
| 15:36:59 | patlabor221 | my 640 meg VIVO |
| 15:37:04 | patlabor221 | that's gonna be driver stuff |
| 15:37:13 | bomber | where are you ruudi |
| 15:37:17 | patlabor221 | the hardware is a tad slower |
| 15:37:21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:37:21 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:37:21 | bzbot | oioioi (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 15:37:34 | patlabor221 | and BZ is not the best thing to benchmark stuff on |
| 15:37:48 | sussudio | i get like 3 times the fps in quake 3 |
| 15:37:50 | anaconda | hi! |
| 15:37:54 | bomber | hi |
| 15:39:13 | sussudio | bzf says Radeon 7200 DDR |
| 15:41:31 | patlabor221 | ok then it's a AIW 7000 |
| 15:41:35 | patlabor221 | not a regular AIW |
| 15:41:47 | patlabor221 | that is faster then a GF2 |
| 15:41:58 | patlabor221 | comprable to a good GF3 |
| 15:42:03 | patlabor221 | faster thena 4M |
| 15:42:07 | patlabor221 | 4MX |
| 15:42:16 | patlabor221 | and it will have shaders |
| 15:43:41 | sussudio | whoo.pee. |
| 15:43:55 | sussudio | i really wanted shaders |
| 15:43:57 | sussudio | or something |
| 15:44:11 | | sussudio: huh? |
| 15:44:11 | sussudio | ibot: shaders |
| 15:46:02 | sussudio | lalala |
| 15:46:11 | Patlabor221 | sussudio: how did the ATI look difrent then the GF? what was difrent? |
| 15:46:31 | sussudio | dunno, it just looked uglier..... |
| 15:46:38 | Patlabor221 | 'splain |
| 15:46:55 | sussudio | a friggin lot of blurring for example |
| 15:47:02 | Patlabor221 | textures? smoothing? bigotry against other cards? |
| 15:47:06 | Patlabor221 | bluring? |
| 15:47:07 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 15:47:14 | sussudio | you know when you look at something with a lot of walls..... |
| 15:47:21 | sussudio | it just flickers and distorts |
| 15:47:25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:47:29 | Patlabor221 | crap drivers |
| 15:47:35 | sussudio | my radeon doesnt do that much |
| 15:47:36 | Patlabor221 | it was only using a 16 bit Z |
| 15:47:45 | Patlabor221 | it would with the older drivers |
| 15:47:56 | Patlabor221 | you run in 32 bit color? |
| 15:48:01 | sussudio | it has the latest drivers that are provided for it |
| 15:48:08 | Patlabor221 | was it running in 16 bit? |
| 15:48:18 | sussudio | *shrug*. dont think so. |
| 15:48:20 | Patlabor221 | provided byt he MFG? |
| 15:48:24 | Patlabor221 | or by nvidia |
| 15:48:46 | Patlabor221 | cus the ati's will do that too if you run them with a 16 bit z |
| 15:48:49 | sussudio | i think i tried a couple of drivers.... i stopped when the thing didnt bluescreen on me anymore |
| 15:48:57 | sussudio | with the GF i mean |
| 15:49:10 | Patlabor221 | must been nfg drivers |
| 15:49:18 | sussudio | those gf drivers are really a lot worse than the ati ones i have |
| 15:49:23 | Patlabor221 | the latest direct form ATI and NVidia are realy good |
| 15:49:30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:49:30 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:49:31 | bzbot | anaconda (R): 0 (1-1). hever (G): 0 (1-1). Frenchie (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 15:49:32 | Patlabor221 | then you don't have the det'40s |
| 15:49:55 | sussudio | i dont think i'll be upgrading my radeon drivers under win2000 for a REAL long time |
| 15:49:58 | sussudio | it's fucking torture |
| 15:50:09 | sussudio | * i felt obliged to use the f-word there |
| 15:50:13 | Patlabor221 | It's my Job to test difrent GL cards at work |
| 15:50:27 | Patlabor221 | so I have checked all these drivers |
| 15:50:28 | sussudio | first you have to uninstall the drivers.... |
| 15:50:33 | sussudio | except it DOESNT...... |
| 15:50:34 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:50:42 | Patlabor221 | just remove the atapter |
| 15:50:45 | sussudio | and you're left with some crap that expects the ati drivers |
| 15:50:46 | Patlabor221 | or set to VGA |
| 15:50:53 | sussudio | and then it bluescreens |
| 15:51:05 | sussudio | no i dont even get into win2000 anymore |
| 15:51:05 | Patlabor221 | did you must not be doing it right |
| 15:51:18 | Patlabor221 | your system is probalby fugged |
| 15:51:19 | sussudio | i did like the friggin readme told me |
| 15:51:20 | Patlabor221 | up to XP |
| 15:51:30 | sussudio | XP NO FUCKING WAY |
| 15:51:32 | Patlabor221 | that'll clean you out |
| 15:51:34 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 15:51:40 | Chestal | Antwort wegen Putty: shipping times to Europe can vary greatly, ich soll mir mal noch keine Sorgen machen |
| 15:51:41 | sussudio | clean you out like an enema |
| 15:51:42 | Chestal | oopos |
| 15:51:57 | sussudio | i dont want stinking XP |
| 15:52:09 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 15:52:21 | sussudio | CAUSE I DONT WANT FUCKING TELETUBBIES WINDOWS |
| 15:52:29 | Patlabor221 | TURN IT OFFF |
| 15:52:37 | sussudio | no. x. p. |
| 15:52:47 | Patlabor221 | shit don'ty you ever even look at the options in your OS? |
| 15:52:58 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to run that "my first windows" thing |
| 15:52:59 | sussudio | yes and thats why i do not want xp |
| 15:53:14 | sussudio | i dont feel like going through the activation crap either |
| 15:53:15 | Patlabor221 | what becasue you don't want options? |
| 15:53:23 | Patlabor221 | ohh tehre are ways around that |
| 15:53:25 | sussudio | XP doesnt add options, just CRAP |
| 15:53:36 | Patlabor221 | actualy it added a lot of them |
| 15:53:45 | sussudio | none that i would ever want |
| 15:53:46 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you just like to complain about stuff |
| 15:53:53 | sussudio | oh fuck it |
| 15:54:01 | Patlabor221 | pointproven |
| 15:54:05 | sussudio | SILENCE Patlabor221 |
| 15:54:17 | Patlabor221 | why should I b quiet you are the ass |
| 15:54:25 | sussudio | shut up xp monkey |
| 15:54:38 | Patlabor221 | shit can't even listeten to another opinion wihtout geting pissed |
| 15:55:00 | Patlabor221 | gonna go beat up some people who look difrent form you now? |
| 15:55:18 | sussudio | fuck you asshole, that is totally unwarranted ! |
| 15:55:20 | sussudio | FUCKER |
| 15:55:28 | Patlabor221 | point proven again |
| 15:55:41 | Patlabor221 | you were the one who brought in unwarnted agresion |
| 15:55:52 | sussudio | you are a piece of shit, just because i dont want to run your fucking windows XP you say i'm a racist/ |
| 15:56:03 | sussudio | FUCK YOU |
| 15:56:12 | Patlabor221 | no I was just testing the fact that you were an angry angry man |
| 15:56:18 | Patlabor221 | and that has been proven |
| 15:56:31 | bomber | hi tea |
| 15:59:06 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:59:06 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:59:06 | bzbot | anaconda (R): 4 (23-19). hever (G): 13 (29-16). Frenchie (G): 0 (0-0). Satan's Evil Twin (R): -5 (4-9). Chestal (G): -2 (5-7). |
| 16:03:00 | Patlabor221 | doug: you get that drive booting? |
| 16:05:20 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:05:20 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 16:05:21 | bzbot | anaconda (R): 6 (37-31). hever (R): 0 (1-1). Vins !!! (G): -5 (1-6). Satan's Evil Twin (R): -2 (17-19). Warzazat (G): -1 (3-4). Chestal (G): -4 (13-17). |
| 16:07:52 | PerfectCell | i was just thinking about the idea to make a battelfield n a sphere, but i think that battelfield had to be too large too keep sphere curvature low relative to tanks, and of course u would not see whats going on below(the other side),only on the rader maybe |
| 16:08:05 | Patlabor221 | like a planet? |
| 16:08:09 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 16:08:16 | PerfectCell | a small planet |
| 16:08:19 | Patlabor221 | yeah my old roommate thoght of that |
| 16:08:30 | Patlabor221 | I think it would be neat to be on the inside of the sphere :) |
| 16:08:51 | Patlabor221 | for an ourtside one it would need to be rather large |
| 16:08:56 | PerfectCell | hm, worth a consideration |
| 16:09:13 | Patlabor221 | for you to at least be able to see some |
| 16:09:22 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 16:09:27 | Patlabor221 | and you would HAVE to be able to aim down |
| 16:09:49 | doughecka | Patlabor221: your a dev? |
| 16:09:52 | Patlabor221 | you could segment the world so that you only show parts of it |
| 16:09:53 | doughecka | you get free gf? |
| 16:09:55 | Patlabor221 | a develoepr yes |
| 16:09:58 | doughecka | gfcards? |
| 16:09:59 | PerfectCell | yes i planed a moveable aim with mouse, tank movement with kexboard |
| 16:10:02 | Patlabor221 | yeah on ocations |
| 16:10:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:10:08 | doughecka | neat |
| 16:10:08 | Patlabor221 | they send us ref boards |
| 16:10:18 | doughecka | free... thats cool |
| 16:10:24 | doughecka | wants one |
| 16:10:29 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:10:32 | Patlabor221 | they come in these cool boxes that look like military Ammo cans |
| 16:10:40 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:11:00 | doughecka | so you have a bunch of cards around? |
| 16:11:08 | doughecka | or just one of each model? |
| 16:11:09 | Patlabor221 | they are refrnece boards so tehy don't ahve all the bells and whissles that real ones do |
| 16:11:14 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:11:20 | Patlabor221 | sometimes they send us multiples |
| 16:11:24 | doughecka | cool |
| 16:11:29 | Patlabor221 | most we got in 1 shot was 4 quadros |
| 16:11:36 | doughecka | wow |
| 16:11:52 | Patlabor221 | so we scater them around in difrent people's machiens at work |
| 16:11:58 | doughecka | oh |
| 16:11:59 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:12:05 | Patlabor221 | tht's why I am allways intersted in what people think of cardds |
| 16:12:12 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:12:28 | Patlabor221 | well at least people who can speak integently about them |
| 16:12:35 | Patlabor221 | or at least calmly |
| 16:12:44 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:12:55 | Patlabor221 | all he ever does here is complain |
| 16:13:01 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:13:02 | Patlabor221 | then I call him on it and I'm the bad guy |
| 16:13:19 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:13:28 | doughecka | what do you do with old cards? |
| 16:13:43 | PerfectCell | patlabor1:what tool do u use for lightmap genaration? |
| 16:13:46 | doughecka | use them in old computers? |
| 16:13:48 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:14:10 | Patlabor221 | my own |
| 16:14:20 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:14:36 | Patlabor221 | the old cards are in computers in our test lab |
| 16:14:44 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:14:50 | doughecka | ok.... |
| 16:14:54 | Patlabor221 | we aren't allowed to send them out, NDA and all, sorry :( |
| 16:15:07 | doughecka | wonders how Patlabor221 guesses |
| 16:15:09 | doughecka | d |
| 16:15:16 | Patlabor221 | cell: I think there are some plugins for max that will do it |
| 16:15:19 | doughecka | ;) |
| 16:15:25 | Patlabor221 | as well as the brazill rendering system |
| 16:15:35 | Patlabor221 | well I am suposed to be psycic |
| 16:15:43 | Patlabor221 | brb, must become clean. |
| 16:15:48 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:17:13 | PerfectCell | i tried the one from paul nette, with source using his own radiosity processor, but i did not get it to work right with my own database until now |
| 16:17:45 | doughecka | PerfectCell: would you have any beta test files out, that I could test? |
| 16:17:46 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:18:17 | PerfectCell | not yet |
| 16:18:20 | PerfectCell | sorry |
| 16:18:20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:18:24 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:18:50 | PerfectCell | u mean for the radiosity processor? |
| 16:19:01 | doughecka | hmm, your game that your makin |
| 16:19:07 | PerfectCell | of course i have made some test databases,levels |
| 16:19:15 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:20:31 | PerfectCell | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/ttbluefog.jpg is just one of them |
| 16:20:45 | doughecka | coool |
| 16:22:25 | PerfectCell | not that cool, its just a cheap test database now |
| 16:22:33 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:23:27 | doughecka | starts making boot floppys |
| 16:25:02 | PerfectCell | my game is already capable of much more, after i discovered paul nettes visibility algorithm myself, i can create huge tightly packed databases with 3d studio rapidly, using my export script to xml load the level and play |
| 16:25:12 | Patlabor221 | call: I have only so far made a simple one |
| 16:25:19 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 16:25:30 | Patlabor221 | that does a linar calcuation in a specalised world |
| 16:25:37 | doughecka | woo |
| 16:25:40 | doughecka | Patlabor221: A lot of people appear to be unaware of the fact that you do NOT need the 4 or 5 setup disks in order to install Windows 2000 and XP. A common Win98 boot disk such as the Boot Disk Essentials diskette below can be used to install these OSes. This is what the Win XP System Setup Disk above does. |
| 16:25:58 | Patlabor221 | yeah I've done that too |
| 16:26:07 | doughecka | humph |
| 16:26:18 | Patlabor221 | but for the past like 2 years I've just booted from the CD |
| 16:26:23 | Patlabor221 | more then that |
| 16:26:24 | doughecka | yah |
| 16:26:26 | Patlabor221 | ever since 98 |
| 16:26:38 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221:what linear calculation do u mean? |
| 16:26:41 | doughecka | grins, and boots his system |
| 16:26:51 | Patlabor221 | but hey what ever works |
| 16:27:02 | doughecka | yup |
| 16:27:20 | doughecka | woah |
| 16:27:23 | doughecka | Offline NT Password & Registry Editor and Bootdisk |
| 16:27:32 | doughecka | nice disk.. |
| 16:27:33 | Patlabor221 | cell: line from each pixel to each ligt sorce. see if it intersects another polly, then get it's dist and calc the color |
| 16:27:39 | doughecka | pop it in and get access to the comp |
| 16:27:47 | Patlabor221 | then average all the lights that hit that pixel |
| 16:28:05 | Patlabor221 | yeah the recovery disk |
| 16:28:15 | Patlabor221 | cell: it was very simple |
| 16:28:57 | PerfectCell | is that pual nette's visibility algo u are talking about, im not following u |
| 16:29:03 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:29:11 | PerfectCell | raytracing |
| 16:29:12 | Patlabor221 | you asked about my lightmap liniar calc |
| 16:29:18 | PerfectCell | oh |
| 16:29:30 | Patlabor221 | it was just a prepass brute force thing |
| 16:29:41 | Patlabor221 | looked realy good actualy |
| 16:30:33 | PerfectCell | oh k |
| 16:30:45 | Patlabor221 | but it was on a very simple world |
| 16:30:53 | Patlabor221 | extruded grid type maze |
| 16:31:01 | Patlabor221 | like wolfenstein |
| 16:31:28 | Patlabor221 | I should realy finish that one day |
| 16:31:38 | PerfectCell | yes thats the easy part, but packing the light maps to larger ones and avoiding seams where polygons meet or share a vertex(i.e, due to billinear filtering) is liitle bit tricky |
| 16:31:39 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:31:51 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 16:32:13 | Patlabor221 | since I allways had square quads it wasn't that big of a deal |
| 16:32:22 | PerfectCell | oh, k |
| 16:32:39 | Patlabor221 | each lightmap was it's own 16x16 texture |
| 16:32:50 | Patlabor221 | and I just had them set to GL_CLAMP |
| 16:33:05 | Patlabor221 | so that if there was a filter issue it would just repeat the same texel |
| 16:33:08 | Patlabor221 | over the edge |
| 16:33:30 | PerfectCell | so u did not pack them together |
| 16:33:33 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:33:54 | Patlabor221 | I had a rather good visiblitly algo so I realy was only doing the ones that were shown |
| 16:33:54 | PerfectCell | k then u needed a lot of texture bindings i suppose :) |
| 16:33:59 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't too bad |
| 16:34:03 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:34:23 | Patlabor221 | onoverage I had about 16 to 20 walls visible |
| 16:34:33 | Patlabor221 | so not too many |
| 16:34:39 | PerfectCell | thas really not much |
| 16:34:41 | Patlabor221 | but I was looking at ways to optimise it |
| 16:34:48 | Patlabor221 | no it was a very very simple test |
| 16:35:40 | PerfectCell | paul nette has some cool articles on that topic, really a productive guy |
| 16:35:47 | Patlabor221 | that he is |
| 16:38:36 | PerfectCell | i have a q about billboards, i render them at last, after all the other objects are in the frame buffer, and i use tga bitmaps with 8 bit alpha, glBlendFunc(SRCALPHA,1-SRCALPHA), but the prob is the z buffer, if irender a billboard and then one that is behind it, its only rendered partially due to z buffer |
| 16:38:52 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 16:39:03 | Patlabor221 | you have to depth sort your stuff that's transperant |
| 16:39:20 | Patlabor221 | becasue the write to teh z buffer isn't transperant |
| 16:39:31 | PerfectCell | i would need to disable z buffer wirutes on fragment level depending on alpha vaulue |
| 16:39:33 | Patlabor221 | or you can turnoff z writes for transperant stuff |
| 16:39:38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:39:56 | Patlabor221 | that's what is comonly done in particle systems that hav that issue |
| 16:40:12 | PerfectCell | but then u get wrong results with billboards, cause they are not fully transparent |
| 16:40:24 | Patlabor221 | yes, it's not perfect |
| 16:40:36 | Patlabor221 | but in a number cases it looks adiquite |
| 16:40:54 | PerfectCell | i looked at pixelshaders, but they operate before the alpha and z tests |
| 16:40:54 | Patlabor221 | this is where the current Z buffer techonolgy is lacking |
| 16:40:59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:41:12 | Patlabor221 | the only perfect solution is to sort |
| 16:41:17 | Patlabor221 | and split intersections |
| 16:41:19 | PerfectCell | i thought so |
| 16:41:24 | Patlabor221 | but that can be slow |
| 16:41:34 | Patlabor221 | try just turning off the z write |
| 16:41:43 | Patlabor221 | it looks suprisingly ok |
| 16:41:51 | PerfectCell | do u get that for free with bsp tree, i mean the sorting |
| 16:41:56 | PerfectCell | ? |
| 16:42:23 | PerfectCell | i just dont like them |
| 16:42:47 | doughecka | good |
| 16:42:55 | doughecka | is gonna swap drives |
| 16:43:04 | doughecka | and upgrade from 2000 to 2000 |
| 16:43:19 | Patlabor221 | it is easyer if you hav the BSP |
| 16:43:21 | Patlabor221 | still takes time |
| 16:43:24 | Patlabor221 | but not much |
| 16:43:42 | Patlabor221 | and it will increase the poly count |
| 16:43:53 | Patlabor221 | if you have to make splits |
| 16:44:00 | Patlabor221 | try the no z write |
| 16:44:08 | Patlabor221 | I was amazed at how it looked |
| 16:44:38 | PerfectCell | im thinging of using a grid for spatial partitioning and a _small_ bsp tree in each grid cell |
| 16:44:58 | Patlabor221 | that is also a way some people do it |
| 16:45:24 | Patlabor221 | some do a rough quad tree on the scene then do bsps for each object |
| 16:45:33 | PerfectCell | i think paul nette does it like this, but im not pretty sure, cause he does not answered my e-mail |
| 16:46:17 | Patlabor221 | when did you send it? |
| 16:46:30 | PerfectCell | 4 days ago, |
| 16:46:49 | Patlabor221 | well he would proably not answer it over the weekend |
| 16:47:01 | Patlabor221 | and he probably gets a lot of them |
| 16:47:08 | Patlabor221 | and how much info did you ask for? |
| 16:47:20 | PerfectCell | but i wrote he should ignore me if he has not the time to answer |
| 16:48:18 | Patlabor221 | I find it best to ask the big guys stuff in short precise questions |
| 16:48:31 | Patlabor221 | so they can just fire off an answer |
| 16:48:50 | Patlabor221 | that's how I got John Carmac to anser my questions. |
| 16:49:37 | PerfectCell | whos that, im not that familier in the game industry, i know myamoto, and fred perry, i think |
| 16:49:54 | Patlabor221 | the guy who did doom, quake, and all those |
| 16:50:00 | Patlabor221 | oneof the founders of ID |
| 16:50:03 | PerfectCell | oh cool |
| 16:50:14 | Patlabor221 | fred perry does not make games |
| 16:50:16 | Patlabor221 | he tried |
| 16:50:23 | Patlabor221 | hella good comics tho :) |
| 16:50:34 | PerfectCell | he said he wrote a 3d engine in one year |
| 16:50:43 | Patlabor221 | yup from a book |
| 16:50:50 | Patlabor221 | it was quake like |
| 16:50:53 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 16:50:55 | PerfectCell | oh, k |
| 16:51:06 | Patlabor221 | well more doom like with some quake |
| 16:51:16 | | bzfrank was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: cu [Sat Sep 14 00:52:51 2002] |
| 16:51:16 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen bzfrank |
| 16:51:19 | Patlabor221 | that boy needs to learn to let other people help him |
| 16:51:25 | PerfectCell | didnt he made earthworm jim for snes |
| 16:51:32 | Patlabor221 | no no |
| 16:51:46 | Patlabor221 | unless there are multiple fred perys |
| 16:51:56 | Patlabor221 | that was done by shinny |
| 16:52:04 | PerfectCell | oh right |
| 16:52:08 | Patlabor221 | where did you see him menioned? |
| 16:52:18 | bzdoug_ | grins |
| 16:52:33 | PerfectCell | hmm, it should be a 3d game he made, how was it called? |
| 16:52:46 | Patlabor221 | cus he is a most excelnt artist and story teller |
| 16:52:47 | Patlabor221 | Gold Digger? |
| 16:52:52 | PerfectCell | no |
| 16:53:25 | Patlabor221 | perhaps we are thinking of difrent people |
| 16:53:44 | Patlabor221 | did you see it refrenced on the internet? |
| 16:54:00 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:54:00 | anaconda_ | ibot: ducati? |
| 16:54:01 | bzbot | lool (G): -1 (3-4). Uilos (G): 2 (11-9). funky feet (G): -1 (13-14). Jonny (R): 0 (4-4). flynn (R): -4 (46-50). |
| 16:54:12 | PerfectCell | no iread his name in some game magazines |
| 16:54:19 | | bzdoug_: sorry... |
| 16:54:19 | bzdoug_ | ibot colobot |
| 16:54:21 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 16:55:34 | PerfectCell | oh no, i thing it was david perry |
| 16:55:48 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:55:56 | PerfectCell | do u know him? |
| 16:56:05 | Patlabor221 | here is the one I thought you were talking about |
| 16:56:06 | Patlabor221 | http://www.cheetaholics.net/fred.htm |
| 16:56:08 | Patlabor221 | no I do not |
| 16:56:17 | Patlabor221 | as fred perry tried to make a game too |
| 16:56:23 | bzdoug_ | bah! |
| 16:56:29 | bzdoug_ | its not seeing my drive! |
| 16:56:43 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:57:00 | PerfectCell | oh he is a white one, that perry i meant |
| 16:57:09 | bzdoug_ | it shows up in fdisk, but the setup program is not seeing the ntfs part |
| 16:57:13 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 16:57:18 | Patlabor221 | the 2k setup? |
| 16:57:41 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 16:57:49 | Patlabor221 | that can be a problem when running from a DOS boot disk |
| 16:57:53 | bzdoug_ | says it cant find a place to put some files |
| 16:57:57 | bzdoug_ | sooo |
| 16:57:59 | Patlabor221 | no NTFS support was loaded |
| 16:58:03 | bzdoug_ | how do I get past it |
| 16:58:11 | bzdoug_ | where do I get a NTFS dos boot floppy |
| 16:58:12 | Patlabor221 | boot fromt he 4 disks |
| 16:58:20 | Patlabor221 | wiht XP |
| 16:58:27 | bzdoug_ | xp will work? |
| 16:58:29 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 16:58:32 | bzdoug_ | tries that |
| 16:58:42 | Patlabor221 | what wait a sec there skip |
| 16:58:45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:58:45 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 16:58:45 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 1 (5-4). Uilos (R): 1 (7-6). funky feet (G): -2 (22-24). Hung Like Einstein (G): -3 (1-4). flynn (R): -4 (55-59). lool (G): 0 (0-0). Yeti (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 16:58:46 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221:here is the mail i send to pual nette: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/mailpn.txt |
| 16:58:49 | Patlabor221 | XP will make a boot disk |
| 16:58:54 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 16:58:59 | bzdoug_ | I can find a xp boot disk |
| 16:59:07 | bzdoug_ | I am downloading it now |
| 16:59:12 | Patlabor221 | downloading XP? |
| 16:59:19 | bzdoug_ | xp boot disks |
| 16:59:20 | bzdoug_ | er |
| 16:59:23 | bzdoug_ | boot disk. |
| 16:59:27 | Patlabor221 | fromw where? |
| 16:59:40 | bzdoug_ | http://www.drd.dyndns.org/index2.html |
| 17:00:25 | Patlabor221 | is it a setup disk? or a boot disk? |
| 17:00:29 | Patlabor221 | cus those are difrent |
| 17:00:37 | bzdoug_ | setup |
| 17:00:40 | bzdoug_ | and boot |
| 17:00:46 | bzdoug_ | depends on what I want |
| 17:00:54 | bzdoug_ | to download |
| 17:00:54 | Patlabor221 | setup will boot and try to install XP |
| 17:01:04 | Patlabor221 | boot will just get you to a propmpt |
| 17:01:17 | Patlabor221 | you don't have any drives that will boot to a CD? |
| 17:01:24 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 17:01:40 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 17:01:41 | Patlabor221 | wow like all drives made int eh past 5 years will |
| 17:01:49 | Patlabor221 | you sure it's not the bios |
| 17:01:49 | bzdoug_ | xp setup floppy it is |
| 17:01:53 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 17:01:56 | bzdoug_ | I know its not the bios |
| 17:01:57 | Patlabor221 | good luck |
| 17:02:09 | Patlabor221 | I must get to work |
| 17:02:12 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 17:02:13 | bzdoug_ | cya |
| 17:02:14 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:02:17 | bzdoug_ | thsnks |
| 17:02:25 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 17:05:14 | bamf | bomber? |
| 17:08:20 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 17:13:29 | bamf | bomber, wake up :) |
| 17:19:27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:19:27 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 17:19:27 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 7 (24-17). Uilos (R): 3 (45-42). ElectricElf (R): -3 (0-3). harrowed 1 (G): 2 (10-8). Yeti (R): 8 (43-35). |
| 17:24:11 | _sniper | Is here 3 DDD:s here? |
| 17:27:45 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:27:46 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 15 (49-34). DeadMeat (R): -5 (5-10). harrowed 1 (R): 0 (4-4). Quol (G): 5 (12-7). Frenchie (G): 0 (2-2). @ (B): 0 (0-0). Yeti (R): 4 (57-53). bomber (G): 6 (16-10). @Faluf (B): 0 (0-0). |
| 17:28:42 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:28:43 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 17 (51-34). DeadMeat (R): -6 (6-12). harrowed 1 (R): -2 (4-6). Quol (G): 6 (13-7). Frenchie (G): -1 (3-4). Yeti (R): 5 (58-53). bomber (G): 7 (18-11). @Faluf (B): 0 (0-0). FantaZee (R): -2 (0-2). |
| 17:29:46 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:29:46 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 19 (53-34). DeadMeat (R): -8 (7-15). harrowed 1 (R): -5 (5-10). Quol (G): 5 (16-11). BeZee (G): -2 (0-2). Yeti (R): 6 (61-55). bomber (G): 8 (23-15). @Faluf (B): 0 (0-0). FantaZee (R): 0 (4-4). |
| 17:34:02 | Widget | How do you store the contents of a directory to an array in Perl? |
| 17:35:02 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:35:02 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 18 (66-48). DeadMeat (R): -20 (10-30). Faluf (R): 0 (0-0). Quol (G): 5 (30-25). BeZee (G): -1 (15-16). Yeti (R): 0 (73-73). bomber (G): 8 (34-26). FantaZee (R): 4 (20-16). |
| 17:37:36 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:37:37 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 19 (71-52). DeadMeat (R): -24 (13-37). Faluf (R): -1 (0-1). Quol (G): 3 (34-31). BeZee (G): -2 (20-22). Yeti (R): -3 (75-78). bomber (G): 12 (40-28). FantaZee (R): 6 (29-23). |
| 17:41:11 | bzdoug_ | humph |
| 17:45:42 | bamf | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:45:42 | bzbot | Jonny (G): 14 (83-69). DeadMeat (R): -34 (21-55). Quol (G): 3 (48-45). BeZee (G): -3 (30-33). Yeti (R): -9 (89-98). bomber (G): 19 (60-41). FantaZee (R): 16 (48-32). |
| 17:56:16 | bzdoug_ | sighs and makes boot floppys |
| 18:01:56 | bomber | bye to all.... |
| 18:06:43 | Widget | They should play this on wopn: http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg |
| 18:06:45 | Widget | Suggest it! |
| 18:07:06 | Widget | bzdoug_: Join #wopn |
| 18:08:32 | bzdoug_ | me? |
| 18:08:40 | bzdoug_ | why? I dont like the music |
| 18:08:51 | Widget | bzdoug_: And tell them to play http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg |
| 18:09:01 | bzdoug_ | sure... |
| 18:09:29 | Widget | bzdoug_: Tell them! |
| 18:09:59 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:10:01 | bzdoug_ | now what |
| 18:10:08 | bzdoug_ | har har |
| 18:10:36 | bzdoug_ | I aggree |
| 18:10:38 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:11:34 | bzdoug_ | hey! |
| 18:11:36 | patlamon | cap you here? |
| 18:11:42 | patlamon | hey |
| 18:11:49 | bzdoug_ | that XP disk does not see ntfs drives |
| 18:11:52 | bzdoug_ | :( |
| 18:12:00 | patlamon | odd |
| 18:12:04 | bzdoug_ | so I am going one single 2000 boot floppy at a time |
| 18:12:09 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:12:18 | patlamon | yeah that is the best way if you can't do the CD thing |
| 18:12:28 | patlamon | that boots to a small copy of 2k |
| 18:12:33 | bzdoug_ | the XP disk was a dos disk, not NT |
| 18:12:35 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:12:36 | patlamon | all the others are dos derivitaves |
| 18:12:45 | bzdoug_ | I guess you need 4 disks for a little NT |
| 18:12:49 | patlamon | yeah |
| 18:12:56 | patlamon | it's a bit larger then teh 16 bit kernel |
| 18:13:03 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 18:13:17 | bzdoug_ | aye, a wee bit larger |
| 18:13:26 | patlamon | but better |
| 18:13:30 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:13:38 | bzdoug_ | so I am swaping floppys |
| 18:13:42 | bzdoug_ | make disk one.. |
| 18:13:51 | bzdoug_ | then install it |
| 18:14:01 | bzdoug_ | then use the same floppy to make disk 2 etc... |
| 18:14:10 | bzdoug_ | kinda slower |
| 18:14:15 | patlamon | you don't have 4 flopys? |
| 18:14:20 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:14:22 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:14:34 | patlamon | nowhere? |
| 18:14:34 | bzdoug_ | I dont want to make 4 floppys to find out that floppy 3 was bad |
| 18:14:46 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:14:47 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 18:14:48 | patlamon | hell pull the CD from the mac and boot from that |
| 18:14:55 | bzdoug_ | I have lots of floppys |
| 18:14:58 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 18:15:04 | bzdoug_ | I would do that |
| 18:15:08 | bzdoug_ | but... |
| 18:15:30 | bzdoug_ | gosh |
| 18:16:03 | bzdoug_ | my friend is missing |
| 18:16:09 | patlamon | ?!? |
| 18:16:10 | bzdoug_ | for one day |
| 18:16:32 | bzdoug_ | he got pulled under in a big wave in florida |
| 18:16:34 | patlamon | they ganked your mac? |
| 18:16:40 | bzdoug_ | they have not found him yet... |
| 18:16:44 | bzdoug_ | :( |
| 18:16:48 | patlamon | ohh that's not good |
| 18:16:58 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:17:11 | bzdoug_ | woo, i am on disk 3 |
| 18:17:32 | bzdoug_ | sighs and goes back to ebay, looking for motherboards |
| 18:17:44 | patlamon | you didn't order one yet? |
| 18:18:19 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 18:18:27 | bzdoug_ | I am gonna use the ram money to get it |
| 18:23:08 | patlamon | ahh yes the ram money |
| 18:23:12 | patlamon | how are those doing? |
| 18:24:11 | bzdoug_ | no bids yet |
| 18:24:20 | bzdoug_ | 6 days left |
| 18:24:23 | bzdoug_ | so... |
| 18:24:39 | bzdoug_ | AHH! |
| 18:24:41 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: here now |
| 18:24:42 | Patlabor221 | yeah you should get some |
| 18:24:52 | bzdoug_ | it cant find the eula! |
| 18:24:58 | bzdoug_ | on the cdrom |
| 18:24:58 | Patlabor221 | cap: I am gonan set upa dual boot systemp |
| 18:25:00 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 18:25:08 | bzdoug_ | bah bah bah |
| 18:25:18 | Patlabor221 | is it best to have lin and win on there own disks? |
| 18:25:43 | Patlabor221 | or is it ok for partitions |
| 18:25:49 | captain_proton | doesn't matter |
| 18:25:56 | bzdoug_ | I have had 2000 and linux on parts |
| 18:26:00 | bzdoug_ | no problemo |
| 18:26:07 | bzdoug_ | but I booted linux with a floppy |
| 18:26:21 | bzdoug_ | so I did not have dual boot type thing |
| 18:26:39 | bzdoug_ | has to reboot so he can install his cdrom onto his laptop |
| 18:27:35 | Patlabor221 | I just got an 80 gig drive for my birthday so I'm redoing my home machine |
| 18:31:55 | Patlabor221 | hmmm seems they made a linux version of the UT2003 demo as well |
| 18:32:14 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 18:32:52 | Patlabor221 | and on the same day as the windows versuion, how very nice of them |
| 18:34:15 | bzdoug_ | *bing |
| 18:35:10 | bzdoug_ | sighs and wonders about looking for 4 good floppy disks |
| 18:35:30 | Patlabor221 | bootable CDs man |
| 18:35:42 | Patlabor221 | I don't even have a flopy in this machine |
| 18:36:02 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 18:36:17 | bzdoug_ | I dont have a floppy in the emachine, so I cant make boot disks in it |
| 18:36:28 | Patlabor221 | I make boot CDs |
| 18:36:34 | bzdoug_ | how? |
| 18:36:39 | Patlabor221 | I have bootable images |
| 18:36:42 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:36:45 | bzdoug_ | of what? |
| 18:36:51 | bzdoug_ | images of what? linux? |
| 18:36:53 | Patlabor221 | well usaly the OS |
| 18:36:58 | Patlabor221 | but 98 |
| 18:36:58 | bzdoug_ | WINDOWS? |
| 18:37:14 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:37:18 | bzdoug_ | wants XP |
| 18:37:20 | Patlabor221 | if I need to do some tweaks I make a 98 boot CD and add my files |
| 18:37:25 | Patlabor221 | like bios updates |
| 18:37:29 | bzdoug_ | xp is way over priced |
| 18:37:32 | Patlabor221 | or I just boot to the OS |
| 18:37:35 | bzdoug_ | really? |
| 18:37:37 | bzdoug_ | neat |
| 18:37:42 | Patlabor221 | it's about 100 for the home version |
| 18:37:55 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:37:55 | Patlabor221 | tht's about what MS does for all it's home stuff |
| 18:38:02 | bzdoug_ | what diferent about pro and home? |
| 18:38:12 | Patlabor221 | pro has more networking stuff |
| 18:38:16 | bzdoug_ | thinks he would like to have pro |
| 18:38:18 | Patlabor221 | like domain controlers |
| 18:38:22 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 18:38:23 | Patlabor221 | and you can put in a webserver |
| 18:38:28 | Patlabor221 | but that's like $300 |
| 18:38:35 | bzdoug_ | apache rules |
| 18:38:38 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:38:39 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 18:38:58 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:39:00 | Patlabor221 | now you can put a trd party web server on home |
| 18:39:09 | Patlabor221 | jsut pro can install IIS |
| 18:39:15 | Patlabor221 | and all that ASP stuff |
| 18:39:23 | bzdoug_ | so all pro is that it insludes office stuff |
| 18:39:32 | Patlabor221 | but pro is not priced to be bought singlley in store |
| 18:39:36 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:39:41 | Patlabor221 | office is another product |
| 18:39:45 | bzdoug_ | and corp untilitys like nt administration |
| 18:39:49 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:39:57 | bzdoug_ | not "home" use |
| 18:39:58 | Patlabor221 | we get ours as site liscenses |
| 18:39:59 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 18:40:09 | Patlabor221 | so it's a lot cheaper |
| 18:40:12 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:40:14 | Patlabor221 | when you buy like 30 at a time |
| 18:40:20 | bzdoug_ | how much? |
| 18:40:24 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 18:40:24 | bzdoug_ | each? |
| 18:40:28 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:40:30 | Patlabor221 | under $200 each I think |
| 18:40:42 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 18:40:56 | bzdoug_ | so I should get the home version? |
| 18:41:06 | bzdoug_ | its not limeted in any other way is it? |
| 18:41:08 | Patlabor221 | and we get one liscence for each product with MSDN |
| 18:41:15 | Patlabor221 | home no |
| 18:41:15 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:41:35 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:41:36 | Patlabor221 | the defalut install is a little difrent |
| 18:41:42 | bzdoug_ | like.... |
| 18:41:46 | Patlabor221 | more tuned to home users |
| 18:41:49 | bzdoug_ | big fat buttons and stuff? |
| 18:41:52 | Patlabor221 | dosn't ask about networking |
| 18:41:58 | Patlabor221 | no no not like that |
| 18:41:59 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:42:03 | Patlabor221 | it's got a little tour |
| 18:42:07 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:42:08 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 18:42:11 | Patlabor221 | and it defaluts to the "welcome" screen |
| 18:42:13 | bzdoug_ | can I skipp that? |
| 18:42:17 | Patlabor221 | not the regular login |
| 18:42:21 | Patlabor221 | but it's all setable |
| 18:42:22 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:42:28 | bzdoug_ | I seen the welcome screen |
| 18:42:33 | Patlabor221 | XP actualy has a lot more options then 2k did |
| 18:42:38 | bzdoug_ | looks like OS X login screen |
| 18:42:42 | bzdoug_ | hmm, ok |
| 18:42:44 | Patlabor221 | they just set the defaults to the "my first windows" stuff |
| 18:42:47 | bzdoug_ | likes options |
| 18:42:53 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 18:43:00 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:43:01 | Patlabor221 | hey I can make XP look all aqua |
| 18:43:06 | Patlabor221 | can't do that in 2k |
| 18:43:11 | bzdoug_ | looks on ebay for XP |
| 18:43:13 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:43:15 | bzdoug_ | I want that |
| 18:43:18 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:45:15 | Patlabor221 | that's just an add in called style XP |
| 18:45:22 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:45:26 | Patlabor221 | that lets you apply the visual styles |
| 18:45:34 | bzdoug_ | I found home XP for 86 bucks |
| 18:45:41 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:45:50 | Patlabor221 | that's about what we get our OEM copies for |
| 18:45:52 | bzdoug_ | but thats not too good, I bet I could find it cheaper on pricewatch |
| 18:45:55 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:46:00 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 18:46:14 | Patlabor221 | that thing dosn't have much variation |
| 18:46:21 | bzdoug_ | where do you get the OEM copys? |
| 18:46:41 | bzdoug_ | how can you get them? |
| 18:46:42 | Patlabor221 | from the disributors |
| 18:46:47 | bzdoug_ | ahh |
| 18:46:48 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 18:46:49 | Patlabor221 | they have to go with new computers |
| 18:46:56 | Patlabor221 | hence the "OEM" part of it |
| 18:46:57 | | bzdoug_: excuse me? |
| 18:46:57 | bzdoug_ | ibot bamf |
| 18:47:05 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:47:06 | bamf | hi doug |
| 18:47:08 | Patlabor221 | you don't know what bamf is? |
| 18:47:15 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 18:47:20 | bzdoug_ | wonderin if ibot did |
| 18:47:23 | bzdoug_ | does |
| 18:47:23 | Patlabor221 | brimstone and all |
| 18:47:25 | bzdoug_ | may |
| 18:48:57 | bzdoug_ | yippy.... |
| 18:49:05 | bzdoug_ | I finished making floppys |
| 18:49:17 | bzdoug_ | I might spend my money on XP though... |
| 18:50:14 | Patlabor221 | cheapest I see is 87 |
| 18:50:20 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:50:30 | bzdoug_ | how about an upgrade? |
| 18:50:38 | bzdoug_ | is that good? |
| 18:50:50 | bzdoug_ | could I just pop in my 98 cd and upgrade from that to XP? |
| 18:50:50 | Patlabor221 | I dono never used it |
| 18:50:55 | bzdoug_ | hmm, ok |
| 18:51:33 | bzdoug_ | like the 98 upgrade |
| 18:51:36 | Patlabor221 | check my query to you for another option |
| 18:51:46 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 18:51:53 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 18:51:54 | Patlabor221 | look at your message windows |
| 18:54:25 | Patlabor221 | wow it takes a while to copy a 20 giger |
| 18:54:47 | bzdoug_ | hmm, gee what are you copying? a 20 gig drive? |
| 18:55:00 | Patlabor221 | from the 20 to an 80 |
| 18:55:07 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 18:55:12 | bzdoug_ | yippy |
| 18:55:18 | bzdoug_ | it see the cdrom now |
| 18:55:23 | Patlabor221 | then the 20 becomes the secondary |
| 18:55:27 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 18:55:30 | Patlabor221 | and gets leeeeeenox |
| 18:55:39 | bzdoug_ | leeeeeenox? |
| 18:55:40 | Patlabor221 | cap: how was the zarvox movie? |
| 18:55:43 | bzdoug_ | never heard of it |
| 18:55:45 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 18:56:15 | bzdoug_ | what does repair do? |
| 18:56:16 | captain_proton | you mean zardoz? |
| 18:56:18 | bzdoug_ | exacly? |
| 18:56:20 | Patlabor221 | yeah that |
| 18:56:25 | Patlabor221 | ohh man now this is funny |
| 18:56:26 | Patlabor221 | http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/linux.jpg |
| 18:56:26 | captain_proton | most excellent |
| 18:56:35 | Patlabor221 | was he realy tossing women? |
| 18:56:36 | captain_proton | left me reeling |
| 18:56:47 | captain_proton | indeed he was |
| 18:56:53 | Patlabor221 | that's funny |
| 18:57:07 | captain_proton | there was an epidemic of people losing their shirts |
| 18:57:25 | Patlabor221 | hence the bare boob rating |
| 18:57:42 | Patlabor221 | not that that is a bad thing |
| 18:57:48 | bzdoug_ | so, would repair fix my 2000? or should I do a complete reinstall? |
| 18:57:58 | Patlabor221 | you can try the repair |
| 18:58:17 | bzdoug_ | hmm, I thought all that does is fix the MBR and stuff like that... |
| 18:58:31 | Patlabor221 | you can have it check the system files |
| 18:58:39 | bzdoug_ | ah, ok |
| 18:59:07 | bzdoug_ | haha, is that linux insecticide or something? |
| 18:59:15 | Patlabor221 | no soap |
| 18:59:21 | bzdoug_ | ooh |
| 18:59:22 | Patlabor221 | for laundry |
| 18:59:23 | Patlabor221 | http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/leet_haxor_sign.jpg |
| 18:59:24 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 18:59:25 | Patlabor221 | is funny too |
| 18:59:29 | captain_proton | no soap? |
| 18:59:40 | bzdoug_ | HAHA |
| 18:59:41 | Patlabor221 | should have been no, soap |
| 18:59:45 | bzdoug_ | now THATS funny |
| 18:59:58 | captain_proton | hoses Patlabor221 down |
| 19:00:11 | bzdoug_ | grins at captain_proton |
| 19:00:21 | bzdoug_ | raises his shields up, just in case |
| 19:00:26 | Patlabor221 | what it's funny |
| 19:00:38 | Patlabor221 | and real |
| 19:00:42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/no_hunting_slow_children.jpg |
| 19:00:52 | Patlabor221 | http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/one_way_hell.jpg |
| 19:00:54 | jzaun | captain_proton: you up for teaching me some math? |
| 19:00:55 | bzdoug_ | heh, is that easy to reprogram those things? |
| 19:01:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: ? |
| 19:01:07 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:01:19 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 19:01:20 | Patlabor221 | now this one must be in one of the slower states |
| 19:01:20 | Patlabor221 | http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/water.jpg |
| 19:01:24 | bzdoug_ | one way hell is funny |
| 19:01:40 | jzaun | captain_proton: I have 4 points (x,y) how do I rotate them around a center axis X number of degrees? |
| 19:01:48 | bzdoug_ | gee, why would there be water on teh bridge during rain? |
| 19:01:51 | bamf | hola amigos, any full teams looking for a match? |
| 19:01:53 | Patlabor221 | trasnform matrix :) |
| 19:02:03 | captain_proton | complicated way is with trig |
| 19:02:09 | captain_proton | simple is what Patlabor221 said |
| 19:02:18 | Patlabor221 | but spelled corectly |
| 19:02:37 | Patlabor221 | I have C code that does it |
| 19:02:38 | jzaun | captain_proton, Patlabor221: can I do that in PHP, or is trig the only way? |
| 19:02:43 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:02:43 | [BZ]Ruudi | ibot ducati |
| 19:02:43 | bzbot | Worf (Team Resurrection) (G): -10 (8-18). Izto (G): -40 (62-102). Quol (R): 20 (68-48). Uilos (R): -3 (13-16). Izo (G): 1 (3-2). |
| 19:02:53 | Patlabor221 | the matrix is just math |
| 19:02:54 | jzaun | captain_proton: I am reading the map files, and displaying the blocks in the correct locations |
| 19:02:57 | Patlabor221 | so you shuld be able to |
| 19:03:02 | jzaun | captain_proton: just need to know how to rotate them |
| 19:03:04 | Patlabor221 | gime one sec |
| 19:03:15 | bzdoug_ | lowers his shields |
| 19:03:22 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 19:03:27 | captain_proton | rotation works before position |
| 19:04:06 | captain_proton | and the matrix is the simplest way to do it |
| 19:04:42 | jzaun | hope so... if I get it working, I'll be able to generate the map graphics on the fly when upladed to store in the database |
| 19:05:03 | PerfectCell | (cosx, sinx | -sinx cosx ) * (x,y) |
| 19:05:13 | Patlabor221 | I have a simple sample for you |
| 19:05:26 | jzaun | Patlabor221: What would be great |
| 19:05:43 | Patlabor221 | it's in C |
| 19:05:51 | Patlabor221 | but should be able to follow it |
| 19:05:56 | jzaun | Cool... I know a bit of that too |
| 19:06:07 | Patlabor221 | it's a fucntion to create a 2d roation matrix |
| 19:06:18 | Patlabor221 | and a func to xform a point |
| 19:06:28 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Could you email it to me? jzaun@jzaun.com |
| 19:06:29 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/rot.cpp |
| 19:06:40 | Patlabor221 | or I could put it on the internet |
| 19:06:47 | jzaun | a URL will work too :-) |
| 19:07:11 | Patlabor221 | that's all general metrix stuff |
| 19:07:18 | Patlabor221 | so you can proalby get rid of the flags |
| 19:07:24 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:07:27 | bzdoug_ | it rebooted |
| 19:07:35 | bzdoug_ | by itself |
| 19:07:36 | bzdoug_ | wierd |
| 19:07:44 | Patlabor221 | repair does that |
| 19:08:05 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Thanks I'll take a look at it now |
| 19:08:09 | PerfectCell | did someone use QRadiant editor? |
| 19:08:11 | Patlabor221 | no problem |
| 19:08:15 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:08:17 | Patlabor221 | I looked at it |
| 19:08:19 | Patlabor221 | didn't like it |
| 19:08:22 | bzdoug_ | and its supposed to boot? |
| 19:08:27 | Patlabor221 | that's the theroy |
| 19:08:34 | captain_proton | what is QRadiant? |
| 19:08:42 | bzdoug_ | ook |
| 19:08:43 | Patlabor221 | the editor for the Q3a engine |
| 19:08:56 | bzdoug_ | now its checking my 40 gig drive |
| 19:08:56 | Patlabor221 | CSG and BSP stuff |
| 19:09:00 | bzdoug_ | 0 % done |
| 19:09:01 | captain_proton | ah |
| 19:09:12 | bzdoug_ | sighs |
| 19:09:13 | Patlabor221 | out off all of those I like the unreal editor the best |
| 19:09:18 | bzdoug_ | but at least it boots! |
| 19:09:20 | Patlabor221 | worldcraft second |
| 19:09:20 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:09:37 | bzdoug_ | is there anyway for me to skip the hard drive check? |
| 19:09:44 | Patlabor221 | no let it do them |
| 19:09:51 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:09:54 | PerfectCell | do all of the editors generate lightmaps |
| 19:09:57 | bzdoug_ | its not doing anything |
| 19:10:04 | Patlabor221 | there is but you have to cancel them in the first 8 seonds |
| 19:10:10 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:10:14 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 19:10:17 | bzdoug_ | its still on 0 % |
| 19:10:17 | Patlabor221 | cell: yes they each calculate there own type of lighting |
| 19:10:20 | bzdoug_ | ah! |
| 19:10:21 | Patlabor221 | usualy in a lightmap |
| 19:10:23 | bzdoug_ | 17 % |
| 19:10:25 | bzdoug_ | good |
| 19:10:35 | bzdoug_ | grins |
| 19:10:38 | Patlabor221 | but it's not stored as a set of textures |
| 19:10:39 | bzdoug_ | wonders back out |
| 19:10:48 | Patlabor221 | it's put into the compiled map format for the engine |
| 19:10:50 | bzdoug_ | the q1 editors made light maps |
| 19:10:58 | Patlabor221 | yeah they all do |
| 19:11:09 | bzdoug_ | it takes a long time for it to do it |
| 19:11:13 | Patlabor221 | they make maps for each brush |
| 19:11:15 | bzdoug_ | on a 133 mhz comp |
| 19:11:23 | PerfectCell | url for the unreal editor pls |
| 19:11:23 | Patlabor221 | that it would |
| 19:11:27 | PerfectCell | please |
| 19:11:30 | Patlabor221 | there isn't one |
| 19:11:33 | Patlabor221 | it's part of the game |
| 19:11:42 | PerfectCell | oh, k |
| 19:11:46 | Patlabor221 | unreal,or unreal tournamenet |
| 19:11:48 | bzdoug_ | perfect cell: hehe |
| 19:12:04 | PerfectCell | k, i dont play games |
| 19:12:23 | bzdoug_ | cell: it only costs 10 bucks here |
| 19:12:33 | PerfectCell | i only look at how they look, and the technologie |
| 19:12:41 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:13:16 | bzdoug_ | windows replaced bad clusters in a file... |
| 19:13:17 | bzdoug_ | that bad? |
| 19:16:24 | bzdoug_ | hmm, now my friend is "feared dead" |
| 19:16:34 | Patlabor221 | actualy it's good that if fixed them |
| 19:16:38 | Patlabor221 | man that sucks |
| 19:16:47 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 19:17:14 | bzdoug_ | pensacolanewsjournal.com I think |
| 19:17:31 | Patlabor221 | was he way out there? |
| 19:18:23 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:18:24 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 19:18:28 | bzdoug_ | he was on the beach |
| 19:18:31 | bzdoug_ | body surfing |
| 19:18:36 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 19:18:39 | bzdoug_ | in a tropical storm |
| 19:18:43 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 19:18:50 | Patlabor221 | well why woudl you do that |
| 19:19:04 | Patlabor221 | I got stuck in an undetow once |
| 19:19:10 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:19:12 | Patlabor221 | sucked me rather far out |
| 19:19:16 | Patlabor221 | scary as hell |
| 19:19:16 | bzdoug_ | this was a rip current |
| 19:19:19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:19:28 | bzdoug_ | sucked him and his brother out to sea |
| 19:19:38 | bzdoug_ | his brother got back OK |
| 19:19:38 | Patlabor221 | I had to be pulled back by life guards |
| 19:19:42 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:19:43 | Patlabor221 | but it wasn't a storm |
| 19:19:50 | Patlabor221 | just normal weather |
| 19:19:56 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:20:06 | Patlabor221 | yeah those are not things to mess with |
| 19:20:06 | bzdoug_ | and this is the gulf, no big waves |
| 19:20:15 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 19:20:26 | bzdoug_ | but the storm kicked them WAY up |
| 19:20:27 | Patlabor221 | well storms do wierd things |
| 19:20:28 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:20:38 | Patlabor221 | we usaly get 8 to 13 footers |
| 19:20:39 | bzdoug_ | they where breaking over the piers |
| 19:20:43 | Patlabor221 | at the beach I go to |
| 19:20:44 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:20:54 | Patlabor221 | sometimes it's lower |
| 19:20:54 | bzdoug_ | atlantic does not get that high |
| 19:20:58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:21:17 | Patlabor221 | I remember in newport dunriong a storm seing 20 |
| 19:21:18 | Patlabor221 | 's |
| 19:21:29 | Patlabor221 | we just sat there ant watched em |
| 19:21:31 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:21:46 | bzdoug_ | I would hope so, I would never go out in big waves |
| 19:21:48 | Patlabor221 | it was geting way pas the the lifeguar towers |
| 19:21:55 | Patlabor221 | almost to the parking lots |
| 19:21:59 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:22:22 | bzdoug_ | hmm, now it says 43 % |
| 19:22:27 | Patlabor221 | drowning is not the way I'd want to go |
| 19:22:38 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:24:25 | bzdoug_ | ok... done fixing the drives... |
| 19:24:28 | bzdoug_ | YAY!!! |
| 19:24:30 | bzdoug_ | it boots! |
| 19:24:33 | bzdoug_ | chears |
| 19:25:04 | bzdoug_ | now its at some kind of special window |
| 19:25:11 | bzdoug_ | I guess its the repair thing? |
| 19:25:50 | bzdoug_ | woah |
| 19:25:53 | PerfectCell | someone can explain what is an NP complete problem, It occurs for exaple in finding a well balancesd bsp tree and keeping the poly splits as low as possible? |
| 19:25:56 | bzdoug_ | its upgrading it! |
| 19:26:12 | bzdoug_ | it was repairing it! andnow its upgrading it... odd |
| 19:26:30 | bzdoug_ | must be microsofts way of fixing things |
| 19:26:50 | bzdoug_ | I hope I dont have to do this when I upgrade my mobo |
| 19:26:51 | Patlabor221 | it goes through and redoes it all |
| 19:27:02 | Patlabor221 | cell: I don't understand what you say? |
| 19:27:29 | bzdoug_ | ah, ok |
| 19:27:32 | Patlabor221 | the ballanced BSP is an intersting thing |
| 19:27:48 | Patlabor221 | automatic generated ones are usualy not |
| 19:28:15 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:28:19 | captain_proton | BSP as a red-black tree? |
| 19:28:34 | Patlabor221 | yeah binary space partion |
| 19:28:40 | Patlabor221 | I am not that well versed in them |
| 19:28:50 | bzdoug_ | warp drives and such... |
| 19:28:59 | Patlabor221 | no no doug |
| 19:29:20 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 19:29:38 | PerfectCell | hm have to look into my informatic book again |
| 19:29:42 | bzdoug_ | or I guess I could put the ME back on |
| 19:29:46 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 19:29:47 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 19:29:59 | bzdoug_ | it includes ads and stuff the second it boots up |
| 19:30:28 | bzdoug_ | ya know, when the pc maker includes stuff on the drive |
| 19:31:00 | Patlabor221 | oh you have an OEM version then |
| 19:31:05 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:31:10 | bzdoug_ | comes on 2 cds |
| 19:31:22 | Patlabor221 | what MFG? |
| 19:31:48 | bzdoug_ | emachine |
| 19:31:49 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 19:31:54 | Patlabor221 | wiht 2k? |
| 19:31:59 | bzdoug_ | ME |
| 19:32:10 | bzdoug_ | windows ME |
| 19:32:15 | Patlabor221 | ME blows |
| 19:32:20 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:32:35 | Patlabor221 | just say no |
| 19:32:44 | bzdoug_ | to ME |
| 19:32:46 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 19:32:47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:32:59 | Patlabor221 | hell it was even a joke at MS |
| 19:33:20 | Widget | http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/02/09/15/1918233.shtml?tid=181 |
| 19:33:25 | Patlabor221 | the testers said it neeed at least 60moths more work |
| 19:33:34 | Patlabor221 | but they shiped it anyway |
| 19:33:44 | bzdoug_ | 60 months? |
| 19:33:46 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 19:33:51 | Patlabor221 | 6 sorry |
| 19:33:55 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 19:33:59 | bzdoug_ | widget: COOL! |
| 19:34:31 | Patlabor221 | still is that with apple parts? |
| 19:35:06 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
| 19:35:08 | bzdoug_ | reading it |
| 19:35:10 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 19:35:29 | bzdoug_ | uses a gigabyte board... |
| 19:35:36 | bzdoug_ | gigabit* |
| 19:35:45 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the apple gig board |
| 19:35:50 | Patlabor221 | in the last set of G4s |
| 19:35:50 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:35:52 | bzdoug_ | neat |
| 19:36:00 | bzdoug_ | how do you get the rom though? |
| 19:36:01 | Patlabor221 | not made by the compay gigabyte |
| 19:36:23 | Patlabor221 | it's on the mobo |
| 19:36:29 | Patlabor221 | it's just a replcenemnt board |
| 19:36:48 | Patlabor221 | all origonal apple stuff |
| 19:36:55 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:37:16 | Patlabor221 | I think we got some of those boards here |
| 19:37:43 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 19:38:14 | Patlabor221 | and one of a new DDR test boards |
| 19:38:17 | Patlabor221 | with firewire2 |
| 19:38:26 | bzdoug_ | wow! |
| 19:38:38 | bzdoug_ | wonders.... |
| 19:39:01 | Patlabor221 | LOL they put it in a PC case |
| 19:39:03 | Patlabor221 | that's funny |
| 19:39:07 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:39:17 | bzdoug_ | but you have to use a mac PS |
| 19:39:23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:39:26 | bzdoug_ | unless you redo the connetor |
| 19:40:01 | Patlabor221 | there is proalby enoght stuff to build onehere |
| 19:40:15 | bzdoug_ | HAHA |
| 19:40:20 | bzdoug_ | he put a celly heatsink on it |
| 19:40:23 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 19:40:25 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:40:28 | Patlabor221 | smaller |
| 19:40:32 | bzdoug_ | hmmm |
| 19:40:33 | Patlabor221 | then the 3 pouner |
| 19:40:50 | Widget | What's wrong with a mac in a PC case? |
| 19:40:54 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:41:15 | bzdoug_ | nothing |
| 19:41:15 | Patlabor221 | it's just funny |
| 19:41:21 | bzdoug_ | funny |
| 19:41:21 | Patlabor221 | see I have the cases here |
| 19:41:35 | Patlabor221 | we've got I think about 10 blue and white cases |
| 19:41:48 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 19:41:56 | Patlabor221 | and a bunc of powersupplys for the cubes |
| 19:41:57 | bzdoug_ | how much are you gonna sell them for? |
| 19:42:06 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 19:42:07 | bzdoug_ | wonders... |
| 19:42:15 | Patlabor221 | they go on ebay every so often |
| 19:42:29 | bzdoug_ | grins at patlabor221, and looks at the cases |
| 19:42:40 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 19:42:53 | bzdoug_ | nothin |
| 19:42:53 | Patlabor221 | it's taking me like 3monts to send you a drive |
| 19:43:04 | Patlabor221 | that case wouldn't leave here for years |
| 19:43:05 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 19:43:06 | bzdoug_ | why? |
| 19:43:09 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 19:43:13 | Patlabor221 | moslty cus I'm lasy |
| 19:43:20 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:43:37 | Patlabor221 | I WILL be lasyer then CAP |
| 19:43:44 | bzdoug_ | you and captain_proton must get together for lazyness drills |
| 19:43:48 | Patlabor221 | and make more features in BZ |
| 19:43:53 | Patlabor221 | ohh I don't need drills |
| 19:43:57 | Patlabor221 | it's a lifestyle :) |
| 19:44:04 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 19:45:43 | Patlabor221 | actualy I want to see his editor |
| 19:45:49 | Patlabor221 | I want to see the cool interface |
| 19:46:30 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:46:45 | bzdoug_ | thats why your gonna get leeeeeenox? |
| 19:47:24 | Patlabor221 | I have leeeeeenox |
| 19:47:27 | Patlabor221 | on my laptop |
| 19:47:33 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:47:39 | Patlabor221 | but the dedicated lin system is not here yet |
| 19:47:52 | Patlabor221 | and now that I got the nice new drive |
| 19:48:01 | Patlabor221 | might as well dual boot the main one |
| 19:48:49 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:49:11 | captain_proton | this movie is making little more sense the second time around |
| 19:49:44 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 19:49:52 | Patlabor221 | I had to do that with starship troopers too |
| 19:49:57 | bzdoug_ | wonders when the drive gets from his car to the inside of the building |
| 19:50:03 | Patlabor221 | but that is becasue I was REALY drunk |
| 19:50:17 | Patlabor221 | I am shooting for monday |
| 19:50:30 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 19:50:36 | bzdoug_ | your at work #2? |
| 19:50:39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:50:40 | bzdoug_ | or one? |
| 19:50:43 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 19:51:16 | Patlabor221 | don't work at #1 on the weeeknds |
| 19:51:26 | Patlabor221 | nt unless we have a release soon |
| 19:51:33 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:51:36 | bzdoug_ | overtime... |
| 19:51:41 | Patlabor221 | kindah |
| 19:51:46 | Patlabor221 | "crunch time" |
| 19:51:51 | bzdoug_ | what do you do on the weeekens? |
| 19:52:01 | bzdoug_ | make computers? |
| 19:52:02 | Patlabor221 | satruday is my day of no work |
| 19:52:08 | Patlabor221 | sunday I work here |
| 19:52:09 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:52:13 | bzdoug_ | what do you do? |
| 19:52:16 | Patlabor221 | sometimes I make the PCSs |
| 19:52:21 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:52:23 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 19:52:32 | Patlabor221 | but I usualy work on the auction manangement software |
| 19:52:53 | Patlabor221 | and some days I screw off all day and talk to you guys |
| 19:53:13 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 19:53:16 | bzdoug_ | like today? |
| 19:53:19 | bzdoug_ | grins |
| 19:53:28 | Patlabor221 | but those are the days that I seem to piss people off |
| 19:53:30 | Patlabor221 | like today |
| 19:53:42 | bzdoug_ | ha |
| 19:54:06 | Patlabor221 | but I have a simple rule.. don't want none, don't start none |
| 19:54:27 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:54:32 | Patlabor221 | I do need to get those drives out |
| 19:54:40 | Patlabor221 | I will put them on the pasenger seat |
| 19:54:43 | Patlabor221 | then I won't forget them |
| 19:54:53 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 19:55:04 | bzdoug_ | will they be cooked? |
| 19:55:07 | Patlabor221 | I jsut get interupted all day |
| 19:55:12 | Patlabor221 | no I'll do it tongiht |
| 19:55:16 | bzdoug_ | I thought all cars got hot when they get left in cars? |
| 19:55:19 | Patlabor221 | then take them out in the AM |
| 19:55:24 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:55:26 | Patlabor221 | only when they are in the sun |
| 19:55:34 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:55:37 | Patlabor221 | and I park in a carport at home |
| 19:55:41 | Patlabor221 | so no sun |
| 19:55:46 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:55:56 | bzdoug_ | speak like yoda I do no hmmmm? |
| 19:56:06 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 19:56:15 | Patlabor221 | then I would have said |
| 19:56:19 | bzdoug_ | interesting, the G4 mobos have chips on the backside |
| 19:56:24 | Patlabor221 | hart port I park in at home |
| 19:56:32 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmmmmmm? |
| 19:56:36 | bzdoug_ | so you need heat sinks on the back of the mobob |
| 19:56:44 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 19:56:46 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 19:56:55 | Patlabor221 | don't think aple has those |
| 19:57:03 | bzdoug_ | they do |
| 19:57:09 | bzdoug_ | its stuck to the case |
| 19:57:16 | bzdoug_ | you never see it |
| 19:57:17 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 19:57:28 | bzdoug_ | but the website says they are there |
| 19:57:30 | Patlabor221 | I just don't remeber that from the cases or boards here |
| 19:57:32 | Patlabor221 | but perhaps |
| 19:57:38 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:57:51 | bzdoug_ | amazing they could pac a G4 in a cube |
| 19:57:57 | bzdoug_ | without over heating etc |
| 19:58:07 | Patlabor221 | the powersupply was external |
| 19:58:13 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:58:15 | bzdoug_ | that helps |
| 19:58:23 | Patlabor221 | and it was a slower G4 |
| 19:58:27 | bzdoug_ | does the PS have a fan? |
| 19:58:35 | bzdoug_ | or is it like a powerbook PS? |
| 19:58:45 | Nicole | hilo |
| 19:58:46 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it has a fan |
| 19:58:49 | Patlabor221 | it's huge |
| 19:58:50 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:58:57 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:59:02 | bzdoug_ | holi! |
| 19:59:03 | Patlabor221 | it's like the size of a CDrom drive |
| 19:59:25 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:59:32 | bzdoug_ | big |
| 20:01:11 | Patlabor221 | Can you take me higher? |
| 20:01:25 | Patlabor221 | To a place where I might see? |
| 20:01:33 | Nicole | blind men see |
| 20:01:33 | Patlabor221 | Can you take me higher? |
| 20:01:40 | Patlabor221 | realyt? |
| 20:01:43 | Nicole | yup |
| 20:01:54 | Patlabor221 | hard to hear him |
| 20:01:57 | Nicole | yea |
| 20:01:59 | Nicole | i know |
| 20:02:15 | Patlabor221 | is the next one a place of golden dreams? |
| 20:02:20 | Nicole | i dunno |
| 20:02:25 | Nicole | haven't heard the song in ages |
| 20:02:28 | Nicole | but it's a good song |
| 20:02:32 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 20:02:48 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't even say the B in blind |
| 20:03:01 | Patlabor221 | it's like "where lind man see" |
| 20:03:38 | Nicole | hehehe |
| 20:04:58 | Patlabor221 | I think it's "to a place with golden streams" or simething |
| 20:05:09 | Patlabor221 | there must be the lyrics somewhere |
| 20:06:57 | bzdoug_ | http://www.newsell.de |
| 20:07:21 | Patlabor221 | Let's make our escape |
| 20:07:21 | Patlabor221 | Come on, let's go there |
| 20:07:30 | Patlabor221 | Let's ask can we stay? |
| 20:07:30 | Patlabor221 | Up high I feel like I'm alive for the very first time |
| 20:07:37 | Patlabor221 | Up high I'm strong enough to take these dreams |
| 20:07:37 | Patlabor221 | And make them mine |
| 20:08:05 | bzdoug_ | still upgradeing 2000 |
| 20:08:17 | Patlabor221 | at least your booting |
| 20:08:23 | Patlabor221 | I'm still copying |
| 20:08:50 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 20:09:12 | Patlabor221 | But I'm not broken |
| 20:09:18 | Patlabor221 | and I'll dream my way. |
| 20:09:41 | Patlabor221 | and and here I'm nothin |
| 20:09:48 | Patlabor221 | I'm a cosimc castaway. |
| 20:10:15 | bzdoug_ | raids his emachine for ram |
| 20:10:24 | bzdoug_ | RAM RAM! more RAM! |
| 20:11:02 | Patlabor221 | thinks about geting another 512 |
| 20:11:14 | bzdoug_ | sheesh |
| 20:11:23 | bzdoug_ | wants another 256 |
| 20:11:25 | Patlabor221 | well I have 2 slots open |
| 20:11:33 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:11:33 | Patlabor221 | and they are calling me |
| 20:11:35 | bzdoug_ | bummer |
| 20:11:38 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:12:00 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 20:12:01 | Patlabor221 | and then there is the red video card |
| 20:12:09 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 20:12:11 | iLLf8d | anyone know how to screeshot capture in bzflag in linux? |
| 20:12:12 | bzdoug_ | the GF4? |
| 20:12:24 | Patlabor221 | home system has the 3 |
| 20:12:31 | Patlabor221 | work #1 has the 4 |
| 20:12:39 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 20:12:43 | Patlabor221 | this work is 2 2MXs |
| 20:12:50 | iLLf8d | lo Patlabor221 thanks for the code changed the other night but whatever you did borked it big time |
| 20:12:53 | bzdoug_ | neat |
| 20:13:01 | bzdoug_ | I think he did to |
| 20:13:10 | Patlabor221 | well I wasn't sure what wash hapenig in those loops |
| 20:13:14 | bzdoug_ | ill: cuz I still have yet to get code out of it |
| 20:13:15 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 20:13:38 | Patlabor221 | perhaps I combined too much stuff |
| 20:13:47 | iLLf8d | yeah those were setup that way on purpose |
| 20:13:54 | Patlabor221 | what exactly are those suposed to do |
| 20:14:00 | iLLf8d | it was necessary to read the file properly and place the blocks properly |
| 20:14:05 | Patlabor221 | well you didn't need 4 copies of the box making thing |
| 20:14:11 | iLLf8d | I think what you did put all the blocks in the same quadrant |
| 20:14:13 | Patlabor221 | that can be a function |
| 20:14:22 | iLLf8d | x-, y+ quadrant |
| 20:14:25 | Patlabor221 | yeah I combined 2 parts of the loop |
| 20:14:38 | Patlabor221 | comments man, comments |
| 20:14:46 | iLLf8d | well It was meant for me only originally heh |
| 20:14:47 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 20:15:09 | Patlabor221 | never understimate the power of code to fall into the hands of others |
| 20:15:14 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:15:24 | Patlabor221 | the code want's to be found |
| 20:15:56 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 20:16:02 | bzdoug_ | and to be put into bzeditw32 |
| 20:16:07 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 20:16:18 | Patlabor221 | it will not be in the project poper |
| 20:16:22 | Patlabor221 | proper |
| 20:16:43 | Patlabor221 | actualy with the new ideas not much will be in the actualy EXE |
| 20:17:12 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:17:17 | bzdoug_ | plugins? |
| 20:17:17 | captain_proton | eeeeeevil |
| 20:17:24 | Patlabor221 | why evil? |
| 20:17:50 | Patlabor221 | works well for 3dsmax and lighwave |
| 20:18:13 | iLLf8d | python plugins? |
| 20:18:13 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:18:28 | bzdoug_ | the emachine has a grand total of 0 kb of ram |
| 20:18:34 | Patlabor221 | the basic functions will be in C++ |
| 20:18:36 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:19:01 | Patlabor221 | but there would not be anthing preventing a plugin from being made that loads and runs others form any onther language |
| 20:19:13 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:19:27 | Patlabor221 | python, pearl, VB, adda |
| 20:19:39 | bzdoug_ | nooooo |
| 20:19:42 | bzdoug_ | boot disk error! |
| 20:19:59 | Patlabor221 | bad drive man |
| 20:19:59 | bzdoug_ | insert system disk and press enter!!! |
| 20:20:02 | bzdoug_ | NO! |
| 20:20:06 | bzdoug_ | it aint a bad drive |
| 20:20:10 | Patlabor221 | try a disktools from the drive mfg |
| 20:20:12 | bzdoug_ | its a maxtor 40 gig |
| 20:20:16 | Patlabor221 | or the MBR is blown |
| 20:20:22 | Patlabor221 | then run the maxtools |
| 20:20:22 | bzdoug_ | how do I fix the MBR? |
| 20:20:30 | bzdoug_ | what maxtools? |
| 20:20:33 | Patlabor221 | boot to a 98 disk |
| 20:20:39 | bzdoug_ | yea? |
| 20:20:40 | Patlabor221 | run fidisk /mbr |
| 20:20:44 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:20:45 | Patlabor221 | then restart |
| 20:20:55 | bzdoug_ | and that will put the 98 MBR back on? |
| 20:20:57 | Patlabor221 | maxtools is the utlitys for maxtor drives |
| 20:20:57 | bzdoug_ | or what? |
| 20:21:05 | Patlabor221 | it will put a mbr on there |
| 20:21:12 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:21:17 | Patlabor221 | for any windows system |
| 20:21:28 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:21:35 | Patlabor221 | or run the maxtools |
| 20:21:49 | bzdoug_ | bloody ocmputer |
| 20:22:01 | Patlabor221 | id10t error proalby |
| 20:22:10 | Patlabor221 | common on all systems these days |
| 20:22:10 | bzdoug_ | *ahem* |
| 20:22:17 | bzdoug_ | it was doing its own thing |
| 20:22:25 | Patlabor221 | sure it was |
| 20:22:29 | bzdoug_ | I was over here waiting for it to finihsh |
| 20:23:06 | Patlabor221 | if the bios can't boot it then there is some kind of drive problem |
| 20:23:16 | Patlabor221 | and you had bad blocks? |
| 20:23:19 | bzdoug_ | does NOT want to loose his files |
| 20:23:22 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 20:23:24 | bzdoug_ | clusters |
| 20:23:29 | bzdoug_ | nothing important |
| 20:23:31 | Patlabor221 | similar |
| 20:23:35 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 20:23:39 | Patlabor221 | but still that's indicitave of a problem |
| 20:23:45 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 20:23:47 | Patlabor221 | If you value the data |
| 20:23:53 | bzdoug_ | its a brand new drive! |
| 20:23:53 | Patlabor221 | then I would run the disk tools |
| 20:23:58 | Patlabor221 | they can still fial |
| 20:23:59 | bzdoug_ | got it a few years ago.. |
| 20:24:00 | Patlabor221 | fail |
| 20:24:03 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:24:05 | Patlabor221 | years |
| 20:24:07 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 20:24:12 | bzdoug_ | years... |
| 20:24:20 | Patlabor221 | they only have a 1 year waranty on them usualy |
| 20:24:22 | bzdoug_ | my centris still boots fine |
| 20:24:32 | bzdoug_ | and its been kicking for YEARS! |
| 20:24:33 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:24:35 | bzdoug_ | anyway.. |
| 20:24:48 | bzdoug_ | all I want to do is not to loose my files |
| 20:24:50 | Patlabor221 | run the tools |
| 20:24:57 | Patlabor221 | then try and fix it the right way |
| 20:25:02 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 20:25:02 | Patlabor221 | run the tools |
| 20:25:09 | bzdoug_ | first, MBR |
| 20:25:13 | Patlabor221 | no tools |
| 20:25:18 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 20:25:19 | Patlabor221 | allways tools |
| 20:25:20 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:25:25 | bzdoug_ | where do I get teh tools? |
| 20:25:34 | bzdoug_ | maxtor.com? |
| 20:25:37 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:25:40 | Patlabor221 | fixing the MBR on a disk with errors is pointelss |
| 20:25:42 | Patlabor221 | you think? |
| 20:25:51 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:25:58 | bzdoug_ | it fixed all the errors |
| 20:26:08 | Patlabor221 | it fixes all the format errors |
| 20:26:12 | Patlabor221 | not the low level stuff |
| 20:26:13 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:26:25 | Patlabor221 | if there are bad blocks then they need to be maped out |
| 20:26:32 | iLLf8d | Patlabor221: I see what happenend |
| 20:26:34 | Patlabor221 | or bad secotrs |
| 20:26:40 | Patlabor221 | what did I do? |
| 20:26:48 | iLLf8d | when you combined the couts |
| 20:26:53 | bzdoug_ | how do I map them out? |
| 20:26:55 | Patlabor221 | did I miss one |
| 20:26:56 | bzdoug_ | tools? |
| 20:26:56 | iLLf8d | you didn't notice that I add a signt to the values |
| 20:27:00 | Patlabor221 | doug: yeah |
| 20:27:03 | iLLf8d | s/signt/sign |
| 20:27:04 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 20:27:11 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:27:18 | Patlabor221 | well then it should be easy to fix |
| 20:27:22 | iLLf8d | so you just made it x,y,z for example not + and - where need be |
| 20:27:22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:27:22 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:27:34 | Patlabor221 | make the sign a modifyer |
| 20:27:42 | iLLf8d | meaning? |
| 20:27:43 | Patlabor221 | that you mulltiply in |
| 20:27:43 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:27:50 | iLLf8d | ) was ust gonna multiply by -1 and 1 |
| 20:27:51 | Patlabor221 | so that you don't dupe the logic |
| 20:28:01 | Patlabor221 | and just change that int |
| 20:28:10 | iLLf8d | s/)/I and s/ust/just heh |
| 20:28:11 | Patlabor221 | yeah make that an int |
| 20:28:18 | Patlabor221 | and then just set it when you need to |
| 20:28:30 | Patlabor221 | makes it easyer to mantain |
| 20:28:47 | Patlabor221 | if you change the logic you don't have to do it in 4 places |
| 20:29:10 | bzdoug_ | ooook. |
| 20:29:19 | bzdoug_ | no fixed drives present |
| 20:29:29 | bzdoug_ | sounds like my mobo |
| 20:29:29 | Patlabor221 | that is BAD |
| 20:29:32 | bzdoug_ | or bios |
| 20:29:36 | Patlabor221 | bios pralby |
| 20:29:39 | bzdoug_ | B.A.D. |
| 20:29:40 | Patlabor221 | update to latest |
| 20:29:45 | bzdoug_ | I did |
| 20:29:58 | bzdoug_ | a few weeks ago |
| 20:30:07 | Patlabor221 | then something must be bad in there |
| 20:30:10 | bzdoug_ | and the update was months old |
| 20:30:12 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:30:17 | Patlabor221 | is the batery posibly dead |
| 20:30:20 | bzdoug_ | wonders back to the bios |
| 20:30:28 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 20:30:30 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:30:31 | bzdoug_ | maybe.... |
| 20:30:32 | Patlabor221 | the bios bat |
| 20:30:39 | Patlabor221 | losing its setings |
| 20:30:53 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:31:02 | bzdoug_ | why would it install OK, then break? |
| 20:31:16 | bzdoug_ | I DID shut the computer down |
| 20:31:17 | Patlabor221 | if the bat lost the drive setings |
| 20:31:22 | Patlabor221 | on that shutdown |
| 20:31:32 | bzdoug_ | so maybe the bat died when I shutdown |
| 20:31:34 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:31:41 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:31:42 | Patlabor221 | does the bios have your setings? |
| 20:31:51 | bzdoug_ | the drive settings are all on auto |
| 20:32:03 | bzdoug_ | and are set to what I had before |
| 20:32:26 | Patlabor221 | did you leave a flopy or a CD in tehre? |
| 20:32:32 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 20:32:34 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:32:38 | Patlabor221 | you did |
| 20:32:39 | bzdoug_ | I did leave the CD in.. |
| 20:32:42 | Patlabor221 | take it our |
| 20:32:44 | Patlabor221 | out |
| 20:33:02 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 20:33:03 | bzdoug_ | I did |
| 20:33:08 | bzdoug_ | how about the boot floppy? |
| 20:33:10 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:33:26 | Patlabor221 | you shouldn't need anything in there |
| 20:33:35 | bzdoug_ | woah |
| 20:33:38 | bzdoug_ | wait a decond |
| 20:33:46 | Patlabor221 | 10 seconds? |
| 20:33:56 | Patlabor221 | a metric second? |
| 20:33:57 | bzdoug_ | the drive does not show up in teh bios |
| 20:34:07 | bzdoug_ | when it auto detects it |
| 20:34:10 | bzdoug_ | it does not show up |
| 20:34:11 | bzdoug_ | :( |
| 20:34:12 | Patlabor221 | whrrrrrrrrrrrrrr clunk |
| 20:34:21 | bzdoug_ | I hear it running |
| 20:34:27 | bzdoug_ | takes off the cover |
| 20:34:29 | Patlabor221 | clunk |
| 20:34:35 | Patlabor221 | griiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd. |
| 20:34:58 | bzdoug_ | oh yea |
| 20:35:09 | Patlabor221 | ku chunk. kuchung |
| 20:35:11 | bzdoug_ | I DID fix the IDE cable with super glue... |
| 20:35:13 | Patlabor221 | higggida |
| 20:35:17 | Patlabor221 | higida |
| 20:35:22 | bzdoug_ | OH WIERD! |
| 20:35:25 | bzdoug_ | it shows up now! |
| 20:35:25 | Patlabor221 | splllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooort |
| 20:35:31 | Patlabor221 | bad cable |
| 20:35:32 | bzdoug_ | I took the cover off |
| 20:35:36 | bzdoug_ | and now it boot |
| 20:35:37 | bzdoug_ | s |
| 20:35:54 | Patlabor221 | you "fixed" the cable? |
| 20:35:59 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 20:36:09 | bzdoug_ | the cable fell apart |
| 20:36:17 | bzdoug_ | right on the drive too |
| 20:36:18 | Patlabor221 | that is not a sign of quality |
| 20:36:22 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 20:36:27 | Patlabor221 | I would get a new one |
| 20:36:34 | Patlabor221 | at 33 or 66 cable? |
| 20:36:41 | bzdoug_ | 66 |
| 20:36:45 | bzdoug_ | its a good cable |
| 20:36:48 | bzdoug_ | I HAD to repair it |
| 20:36:51 | bzdoug_ | or else |
| 20:36:51 | Patlabor221 | it fell apart |
| 20:36:55 | Patlabor221 | how can that be good |
| 20:36:56 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 20:37:01 | bzdoug_ | its not good |
| 20:37:08 | bzdoug_ | but super glue works wonders |
| 20:37:12 | Patlabor221 | <bzdoug_> its a good cable |
| 20:37:19 | Patlabor221 | it's a crap cable |
| 20:37:28 | bzdoug_ | wonders if the cable will come off the drive now |
| 20:37:36 | Patlabor221 | what if the pins are wrong |
| 20:37:42 | bzdoug_ | they arnt |
| 20:37:43 | Patlabor221 | kids these days |
| 20:37:52 | Patlabor221 | well something is amis |
| 20:37:54 | bzdoug_ | I fixed it about 1 1/2 years ago |
| 20:38:03 | bzdoug_ | been workin great so far |
| 20:38:13 | Patlabor221 | no it hasn't |
| 20:38:21 | Patlabor221 | you just got it to not show up |
| 20:38:26 | captain_proton | haha |
| 20:38:42 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: it aint funny |
| 20:38:48 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:38:50 | Patlabor221 | this word I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 20:39:08 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:39:45 | Patlabor221 | yes you keep using it. |
| 20:40:08 | bzdoug_ | wonders |
| 20:40:10 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 20:40:13 | bzdoug_ | the cable... |
| 20:40:18 | bzdoug_ | is kinda... |
| 20:40:27 | bzdoug_ | super glued to the drive... |
| 20:40:34 | bzdoug_ | grins |
| 20:42:02 | bzdoug_ | yay |
| 20:42:09 | bzdoug_ | it comes online... |
| 20:42:33 | doughecka | yuk |
| 20:42:47 | doughecka | 16 color |
| 20:42:51 | doughecka | finds the drivers |
| 20:42:57 | Patlabor221 | it reset your dricers |
| 20:42:59 | Patlabor221 | drivers |
| 20:43:13 | Patlabor221 | you glued the cable to the drive |
| 20:43:20 | Patlabor221 | and a bad cable at that |
| 20:43:28 | Patlabor221 | kids these days they never learn |
| 20:43:45 | Patlabor221 | I'm allowed to say shit like that now :) |
| 20:47:18 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:47:24 | doughecka | I did it a long time ago |
| 20:47:57 | doughecka | gags at 16 color |
| 20:48:03 | Patlabor221 | fix it |
| 20:48:09 | doughecka | cant read a thing |
| 20:48:14 | Patlabor221 | fix it |
| 20:48:29 | doughecka | downloading drivers now |
| 20:49:12 | doughecka | wonders why the putting the cover on messes up the cable |
| 20:49:31 | doughecka | there is no cables poking too high |
| 20:49:33 | Patlabor221 | it moved it |
| 20:49:35 | Patlabor221 | somehow |
| 20:50:00 | Patlabor221 | or it's a reeeeeeeeeeaaaaly bad cable that is affected by mangetic fields |
| 20:50:24 | doughecka | ha |
| 20:50:44 | doughecka | the end thingy fell off |
| 20:50:53 | doughecka | so I reglued it back on |
| 20:50:56 | doughecka | and it worked! |
| 20:51:02 | doughecka | grins at himself |
| 20:51:11 | Patlabor221 | once again |
| 20:51:14 | Patlabor221 | no it didn't |
| 20:51:20 | Patlabor221 | it just failed |
| 20:51:28 | doughecka | I said it workED |
| 20:51:29 | Patlabor221 | you keep using that word |
| 20:51:39 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:51:39 | Patlabor221 | and now youcan't get it off |
| 20:51:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:51:54 | doughecka | I guess i am stuck with this drive then |
| 20:52:01 | doughecka | good thing I did not glue it to the mobo |
| 20:52:06 | Patlabor221 | or some sort of torch |
| 20:52:17 | doughecka | aye, that too |
| 20:52:56 | doughecka | bah! |
| 20:53:02 | doughecka | it wont run outlook |
| 20:53:06 | doughecka | says its not installed |
| 20:53:15 | Patlabor221 | is it? |
| 20:53:20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:53:22 | doughecka | it WAS |
| 20:53:25 | Patlabor221 | did you install a new copy |
| 20:53:28 | doughecka | until I upgraded |
| 20:53:40 | Patlabor221 | soudns like it put a new one on there |
| 20:53:50 | doughecka | all my settings and stuff are still here |
| 20:53:52 | Patlabor221 | is your stuff in the start ment? |
| 20:53:54 | doughecka | so it was a upgrade |
| 20:53:55 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:54:00 | doughecka | all full of stuff |
| 20:54:16 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:54:17 | Patlabor221 | you will need to apply the last 2k service pack |
| 20:54:20 | doughecka | I know why |
| 20:54:24 | Patlabor221 | difrent user? |
| 20:54:28 | doughecka | the drive letter changed |
| 20:54:30 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 20:54:39 | Patlabor221 | you can change them back to the origonals |
| 20:54:45 | Patlabor221 | in the admin tools |
| 20:54:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:54:49 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:54:59 | doughecka | or I shall take the drive out |
| 20:55:03 | doughecka | the old drive |
| 20:55:07 | Patlabor221 | but ahhh |
| 20:55:11 | doughecka | so the letters will be the same |
| 20:55:15 | Patlabor221 | well at least it's booting |
| 20:55:17 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 20:55:23 | doughecka | *ahem* |
| 20:55:30 | doughecka | mostly booting |
| 20:55:36 | Patlabor221 | still more then it was before |
| 20:55:41 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:55:42 | Patlabor221 | no BSOD on boot |
| 20:55:51 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:56:43 | Patlabor221 | just a bit more configuration |
| 20:56:48 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:56:52 | doughecka | wishes for XP |
| 20:56:55 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:57:27 | doughecka | ooh, drivers! |
| 20:57:47 | Patlabor221 | drivers of DEATH |
| 21:01:25 | doughecka | dum de dum |
| 21:01:41 | doughecka | full color once again |
| 21:02:18 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:03:26 | captain_proton | ponders multiple views |
| 21:03:55 | | doughecka was last seen on #bzflag 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen doughecka [Sun Sep 15 22:03:55 2002] |
| 21:03:55 | doughecka | ibot seen doughecka |
| 21:04:16 | doughecka | hmm, what was the error to why I diconnected? |
| 21:05:12 | Patlabor221 | * doughecka has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))bith times |
| 21:05:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:05:28 | doughecka | must be the dsl |
| 21:05:42 | Patlabor221 | drivers of death I say |
| 21:05:53 | doughecka | drivers? or drives? |
| 21:06:00 | Patlabor221 | both |
| 21:06:05 | Patlabor221 | case of death |
| 21:06:13 | doughecka | how did I know that you where gonna say that |
| 21:06:14 | Patlabor221 | power supply of death |
| 21:06:23 | Patlabor221 | fifo buffer of death |
| 21:06:27 | Patlabor221 | uart of death |
| 21:06:30 | doughecka | wierd |
| 21:06:45 | doughecka | my mouse gets turned into some wierd shape when I move windows |
| 21:06:56 | Patlabor221 | LED = "Light Emiting Death" |
| 21:07:12 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:08:00 | doughecka | yippy, I got me a 333 comp runnin 2000 pro |
| 21:08:02 | doughecka | sighs |
| 21:08:26 | Patlabor221 | order the new stuff |
| 21:08:36 | doughecka | you have money your gonna send me? |
| 21:08:43 | doughecka | nope, I thought so |
| 21:08:57 | Patlabor221 | didn't you sell some other stuff |
| 21:09:01 | Patlabor221 | for the mobo money |
| 21:09:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:09:08 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:09:16 | Patlabor221 | where did thatgo? |
| 21:09:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:09:24 | doughecka | good question |
| 21:10:14 | doughecka | I dont know |
| 21:10:51 | doughecka | ho ho |
| 21:10:56 | doughecka | needs SP2 |
| 21:11:01 | doughecka | how about SP3? |
| 21:11:01 | Patlabor221 | SP3 |
| 21:11:05 | doughecka | is that good? |
| 21:11:27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:11:27 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:11:36 | doughecka | somethings borken here |
| 21:11:43 | doughecka | my mouse is about 3 inches wide |
| 21:11:56 | doughecka | my cursor |
| 21:12:08 | doughecka | wierd |
| 21:12:12 | Patlabor221 | verily |
| 21:14:53 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:14:58 | doughecka | installing SP3 |
| 21:15:11 | doughecka | hopes it wont break anything |
| 21:15:53 | doughecka | SUPPLEMENTAL END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR |
| 21:15:54 | doughecka | MICROSOFT SOFTWARE |
| 21:15:54 | doughecka | IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY |
| 21:15:57 | doughecka | ya |
| 21:15:59 | doughecka | I agree |
| 21:25:29 | Patlabor221 | hey cap: does linux support USB harddrives and things like CF readers? |
| 21:26:41 | captain_proton | ought to |
| 21:26:50 | captain_proton | likely depends on the brand |
| 21:37:56 | doughecka | heya dinah |
| 21:38:14 | doughecka | I said hi! |
| 21:38:20 | doughecka | humph |
| 21:38:36 | Patlabor221 | you are proalby still on ignore man |
| 21:38:42 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:42:20 | doughecka | still downloading SP3 |
| 21:42:25 | doughecka | sighs |
| 21:46:17 | doughecka | woo I get 105 FPS in p2501 |
| 21:51:33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:51:39 | doughecka | what does v sync do? |
| 21:51:58 | captain_proton | syncs framerate to monitor refresh |
| 21:52:18 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:52:36 | doughecka | so when I turn v sync on, I get better FPS |
| 21:52:43 | doughecka | er |
| 21:52:45 | doughecka | off |
| 21:53:45 | doughecka | but I cant see the FPS cuz my display is limated to 75 FPS |
| 21:54:33 | iLLf8d | hey guys whats the screen capture command in linix |
| 21:54:37 | iLLf8d | linux |
| 21:54:42 | iLLf8d | its not screen but its something like that |
| 21:54:59 | doughecka | srn? |
| 21:55:01 | doughecka | scrn? |
| 21:55:04 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:00:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:00:56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: do I need to upgrade to SP2 first? |
| 22:01:05 | Patlabor221 | you should not have to |
| 22:01:20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:01:24 | doughecka | gave an error |
| 22:01:32 | Patlabor221 | and that error is? |
| 22:01:48 | Patlabor221 | "hardware too old, application craping out"? |
| 22:01:49 | doughecka | it said something failed in installing SP3 |
| 22:01:50 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:01:52 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:02:03 | Patlabor221 | what is the "something" |
| 22:02:10 | doughecka | where do I get SP2? |
| 22:02:18 | Patlabor221 | windows update |
| 22:02:24 | Patlabor221 | just like everything else |
| 22:02:31 | doughecka | it only has SP3 |
| 22:02:40 | Patlabor221 | then that's all you realy need |
| 22:02:48 | Patlabor221 | what was the error |
| 22:02:51 | Patlabor221 | don't skirt the issue |
| 22:02:57 | doughecka | I forget |
| 22:02:58 | Patlabor221 | find out what is wrong |
| 22:03:08 | Patlabor221 | pay atention |
| 22:03:16 | doughecka | ;-) |
| 22:03:26 | Patlabor221 | you would have to search there site |
| 22:03:35 | Patlabor221 | it may not be avalabe anymore |
| 22:03:40 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:03:42 | doughecka | found it |
| 22:04:10 | Patlabor221 | but still SP3 should be fine |
| 22:04:13 | doughecka | arabic version? |
| 22:04:15 | doughecka | hmm nope |
| 22:04:24 | Patlabor221 | I had it on my laptop |
| 22:04:29 | doughecka | oh? |
| 22:04:33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:04:36 | doughecka | well, I liked SP2 |
| 22:04:49 | Patlabor221 | SP3 is the same just with more stuff |
| 22:04:55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:04:57 | Patlabor221 | how can you "like" a sp |
| 22:05:03 | Patlabor221 | it's not like it changes anything |
| 22:05:05 | doughecka | it worked |
| 22:05:11 | Patlabor221 | so does 3 |
| 22:05:41 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you realy understand the meaning of that word |
| 22:05:49 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:06:57 | doughecka | install DX before or after drivers? |
| 22:06:58 | captain_proton | erghl |
| 22:07:03 | captain_proton | the network is being SOOO SLOW |
| 22:07:24 | doughecka | ooh, I installed DX 8,1 while downloading SP3 |
| 22:07:29 | doughecka | that would do it |
| 22:07:33 | Patlabor221 | dude |
| 22:07:41 | Patlabor221 | don't hack at it |
| 22:07:44 | Patlabor221 | do what it says |
| 22:07:50 | doughecka | grins |
| 22:07:53 | Patlabor221 | no wonder you have problems |
| 22:08:13 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:10:09 | bzdoug_ | it boots now with the cover on |
| 22:10:27 | Patlabor221 | behold the power of cheese |
| 22:10:41 | bzdoug_ | shrugs |
| 22:10:46 | bzdoug_ | cheese? |
| 22:10:55 | bzdoug_ | the moon is made of cheese |
| 22:10:58 | Patlabor221 | you saw the word |
| 22:11:00 | Patlabor221 | it's right there |
| 22:11:06 | Patlabor221 | why do you question these things |
| 22:11:17 | Patlabor221 | when they are so obvious in nature |
| 22:11:31 | bzdoug_ | why do you say things like behold the power of cheese? |
| 22:11:47 | bzdoug_ | I dont want to behold the power of cheese |
| 22:11:50 | Patlabor221 | becasue they are statmenets |
| 22:11:55 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to |
| 22:11:59 | Patlabor221 | it was just a sugestion |
| 22:12:03 | bzdoug_ | humph |
| 22:12:12 | Patlabor221 | it is perfectly aceptable to decline |
| 22:12:28 | Patlabor221 | and mostly becasue I'm just being silly |
| 22:12:38 | bzdoug_ | declines to behold the very little power of cheese |
| 22:13:01 | Patlabor221 | hey you get enought of that stuff in you, and it's got some masive power |
| 22:13:07 | Patlabor221 | masive blocking power |
| 22:13:38 | bzdoug_ | hhee |
| 22:14:03 | doughecka | DX before or after drivers? |
| 22:14:08 | Patlabor221 | before |
| 22:14:20 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:14:23 | doughecka | bummer |
| 22:14:38 | doughecka | before or after SP? |
| 22:15:20 | Patlabor221 | sp |
| 22:15:21 | Patlabor221 | dx |
| 22:15:27 | Patlabor221 | then drivers |
| 22:15:32 | Patlabor221 | but it's not that importand |
| 22:15:35 | Patlabor221 | just dx before drivers |
| 22:15:42 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:15:42 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:15:47 | doughecka | I did the drivers first |
| 22:15:56 | doughecka | so I could read the text on the display |
| 22:16:02 | doughecka | so I should reinstall them |
| 22:16:05 | doughecka | right? |
| 22:17:07 | Patlabor221 | naw |
| 22:17:14 | doughecka | k |
| 22:17:17 | Patlabor221 | get the rest of the stuff in |
| 22:17:20 | Patlabor221 | and see how it goes |
| 22:17:25 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:20:41 | doughecka | The quick brown fox jumped over the lazt dog |
| 22:21:17 | | doughecka: i haven't a clue |
| 22:21:17 | doughecka | ibot tron? |
| 22:22:08 | Patlabor221 | don't forget troff |
| 22:22:20 | | i don't know, doughecka |
| 22:22:20 | doughecka | ibot troff? |
| 22:22:24 | doughecka | k |
| 22:23:04 | Patlabor221 | do you know what those are? |
| 22:23:27 | doughecka | yah |
| 22:23:38 | doughecka | wonderin if ibot knew |
| 22:23:59 | doughecka | http://www.iai-jp.net/main.html |
| 22:24:41 | Patlabor221 | wow that's ugly |
| 22:24:47 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:24:50 | doughecka | but they have neat fonts |
| 22:28:34 | doughecka | reboot |
| 23:08:45 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:08:51 | doughecka | tell me how do I exit vi? |
| 23:09:10 | doughecka | pfff ctrl-z |
| 23:09:11 | Patlabor221 | ok you have a chicken right? |
| 23:09:12 | ChristopherBeer | :q! |
| 23:09:21 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:09:22 | Patlabor221 | swing it around your head |
| 23:09:29 | Patlabor221 | and do the chant |
| 23:09:31 | doughecka | via the neck or legs? |
| 23:09:36 | Patlabor221 | legs |
| 23:09:39 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:09:48 | Patlabor221 | and that's chant b-12 |
| 23:09:55 | doughecka | looks it up |
| 23:09:59 | doughecka | ohhh, ok |
| 23:11:29 | Patlabor221 | ponder 2.5d grid based world |
| 23:15:50 | ChristopherBeer | 2.5d is fun |
| 23:16:10 | Patlabor221 | maybe 2.75d |
| 23:17:13 | ChristopherBeer | 2.75d... hmmm.. why in the world would one try to go to 2.75 when you can go to 3D ish.. excepting the processing power that would be needed |
| 23:17:25 | ChristopherBeer | and the gfx requirements |
| 23:17:45 | Patlabor221 | just for teh sheer wackyness |
| 23:17:57 | ChristopherBeer | well, yeah.. but 2.75d is useless |
| 23:18:07 | Patlabor221 | so are lots of things |
| 23:18:19 | ChristopherBeer | cause if you can do 2.75, you might as well expend the extra effort for 3d |
| 23:18:23 | ChristopherBeer | now.. 4d would be fun :P |
| 23:18:38 | Patlabor221 | I may get as far as 2.836D |
| 23:19:16 | Patlabor221 | perhaps 2.9 if I had help |
| 23:19:16 | ChristopherBeer | nah.. just go for 4D.. I mean, that'd be very, very, very bizarre and completely useless because no one could play it |
| 23:19:24 | ChristopherBeer | and you get to mess with the paradoxs |
| 23:19:25 | ChristopherBeer | :P |
| 23:19:25 | molybdenum | lol |
| 23:19:47 | Patlabor221 | but then my head would explode |
| 23:19:54 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:22:15 | ChristopherBeer | if I was better at gfx output of languages, I'd help.. but I'm more of the daemon type programmer in C/C++ |
| 23:22:17 | ChristopherBeer | oh well |
| 23:22:59 | Patlabor221 | like summoing and channeling and all that? |
| 23:23:16 | ChristopherBeer | uh oh |
| 23:23:18 | ChristopherBeer | most lost votes |
| 23:23:24 | ChristopherBeer | looks exponential |
| 23:23:43 | ChristopherBeer | oh.. sorry, wrong server |
| 23:25:00 | ChristopherBeer | no.. ircd type stuff.. I managed to inherit some, and then managed to become one of its coders by knowing more than anyone else. Right now working on puttin out my own version.. but first I have to find myself a team |
| 23:25:24 | Patlabor221 | didn't realise that you could put a those into C++ objects |
| 23:25:28 | doughecka | ChristopherBeer: who are you? |
| 23:25:29 | doughecka | ;) |
| 23:25:33 | Patlabor221 | that must be one hell of a ritual |
| 23:26:03 | Patlabor221 | probalby some sort of binding |
| 23:26:16 | ChristopherBeer | haven't gotten to C++ing it.. that's next.. Its still C for me |
| 23:26:21 | ChristopherBeer | but next task is C++ |
| 23:26:26 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:26:32 | ChristopherBeer | yeah.. C++ will be a pain |
| 23:26:40 | Patlabor221 | just objects |
| 23:26:41 | ChristopherBeer | but thats why I go and get a team :P |
| 23:27:23 | ChristopherBeer | but, I figure being able to use nice structs and objects will probably be worth it. |
| 23:27:34 | Patlabor221 | may not be |
| 23:27:50 | Patlabor221 | something just lead themseves to old school C type programing |
| 23:28:47 | ChristopherBeer | yeah, but I really don't expect it to go much beyond whatever box I happen to be being the sysadmin type person on |
| 23:28:57 | ChristopherBeer | so, it's more educational that anything else |
| 23:29:42 | ChristopherBeer | of course, it is a very, very long term project |
| 23:30:11 | ChristopherBeer | I don't expect to have the stuff all coded in C until sometime next year, cause I have more important things to do |
| 23:30:23 | Patlabor221 | I found that that silly little "life" sim taugh me all about C++ |
| 23:30:47 | ChristopherBeer | life sim? |
| 23:30:50 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:31:01 | Patlabor221 | where you simulate these little organismns |
| 23:31:05 | Patlabor221 | and they have food |
| 23:31:09 | Patlabor221 | and they multipley |
| 23:31:11 | ChristopherBeer | oh.. |
| 23:31:12 | ChristopherBeer | that |
| 23:31:14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:31:19 | Patlabor221 | workd great in C++ |
| 23:31:29 | ChristopherBeer | I learned java through the robot fighting proggy thing :P |
| 23:31:29 | Patlabor221 | each thing was an object |
| 23:31:45 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:31:47 | ChristopherBeer | of course, I'm not very good w/ GUIs :P |
| 23:31:53 | Patlabor221 | this tought me all about ineritance and derived classes. |
| 23:34:15 | doughecka | waves |
| 23:34:30 | ChristopherBeer | it's a shame there can be so many people on this server and no one alive |
| 23:34:37 | ChristopherBeer | and not able to answer my qustions |
| 23:34:40 | ChristopherBeer | *questions |
| 23:35:01 | secret | not everyone is a programmer :) |
| 23:35:55 | doughecka | I know basic! |
| 23:36:04 | ChristopherBeer | basic is junk |
| 23:36:07 | Patlabor221 | I know more then basic |
| 23:36:13 | doughecka | ok then |
| 23:36:15 | doughecka | qbasic |
| 23:36:21 | Patlabor221 | still |
| 23:36:27 | Patlabor221 | no memory access |
| 23:36:34 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:36:41 | doughecka | pbasic has memeory access |
| 23:37:04 | Patlabor221 | pointers? |
| 23:37:10 | doughecka | I think |
| 23:37:14 | Patlabor221 | dynamic allocation? |
| 23:37:16 | doughecka | I never used them |
| 23:37:16 | ChristopherBeer | basic, qbasic, VB, VC++, C, C++, PHP (which is probably one of my better languages cause I've been using it a lot lately), Java, umm.. yeah. |
| 23:37:45 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean by VC++ |
| 23:37:59 | Patlabor221 | not like thats a difrent lang |
| 23:38:06 | Patlabor221 | just access to an API |
| 23:38:42 | ChristopherBeer | yeah, but VC++ makes a bunch of junky code, so I don't want to count it as C++ :P |
| 23:38:47 | ChristopherBeer | I personally hate it |
| 23:38:54 | Patlabor221 | you mean MFC then |
| 23:38:56 | Patlabor221 | not the app |
| 23:39:14 | Patlabor221 | cus you don't have to use MFC |
| 23:39:21 | ChristopherBeer | yeah.. I group all MS junk together |
| 23:39:29 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 23:39:41 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:39:52 | Patlabor221 | like I say GCC sucks |
| 23:40:11 | ChristopherBeer | hmm.. I like GCC |
| 23:40:20 | Patlabor221 | I can't beilve some of the crap that it lets compile |
| 23:40:24 | Patlabor221 | and the stuff it breaks on |
| 23:40:38 | ChristopherBeer | yeah, I guess that's true.. but if you code correctly |
| 23:40:46 | Patlabor221 | and the fact that each version is a crap shoot on usability |
| 23:40:55 | Patlabor221 | but correct to there terms |
| 23:41:42 | ChristopherBeer | but I hate MS even more.and free is always good IMO |
| 23:41:44 | Patlabor221 | seems like every compiter has there own Idea of what is good |
| 23:41:51 | Patlabor221 | even ms |
| 23:42:09 | Patlabor221 | I love the fact that we have a template that crashes the copiler in VC7 |
| 23:42:32 | ChristopherBeer | :P |
| 23:42:45 | Patlabor221 | but I still have not found an IDE i like in linux |
| 23:42:56 | Patlabor221 | I should try codewarior on it |
| 23:43:12 | ChristopherBeer | oh.. IDE.. I found one.. can't remember it... ummm... |
| 23:43:20 | Patlabor221 | anjunta? |
| 23:43:43 | ChristopherBeer | yeah.. I don't remember.. I had to switch back to Windows after school started |
| 23:44:03 | Patlabor221 | yeah that and Kdevelop are the 2 that are cloeset |
| 23:44:10 | Patlabor221 | anunuta has all the features |
| 23:44:16 | Patlabor221 | but lacks API help |
| 23:44:22 | Patlabor221 | Kdev has the help |
| 23:44:28 | ChristopherBeer | kdevel is all right.. But doesn't work well :P |
| 23:44:29 | Patlabor221 | but less features |
| 23:44:37 | Patlabor221 | 2.0 is not too shabby |
| 23:44:44 | Patlabor221 | but it does seem like a toy |
| 23:44:53 | ChristopherBeer | yeah, isn't as powerful as it should be |
| 23:44:57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:44:59 | Patlabor221 | time to go |
| 23:45:11 | doughecka | home |
| 23:47:38 | iLLf8d | hmm |
