| 00:00:08 | Widget | patlabor221: I thought you couldn't compare clock speeds across platforms? |
| 00:01:13 | patlabor221 | you can't |
| 00:01:29 | patlabor221 | but the G4 is not twice as fast as a P4 |
| 00:01:46 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:01:52 | doughecka | "photoshop" |
| 00:01:57 | doughecka | and thats.... it |
| 00:02:00 | patlabor221 | I mane a 2 giger dell laptop is like $1500 |
| 00:02:08 | mandy | photo |
| 00:02:19 | doughecka | 2!!! |
| 00:02:25 | doughecka | wow |
| 00:02:33 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:02:43 | doughecka | 2 gigahertz laptop will be very warm |
| 00:02:45 | patlabor221 | high end macs are just too expensive |
| 00:02:55 | patlabor221 | no magnesium case |
| 00:03:00 | patlabor221 | distibutes heat |
| 00:03:18 | patlabor221 | it's a moble P4 runs cooler |
| 00:03:19 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:03:23 | doughecka | oh |
| 00:03:33 | patlabor221 | and have you seen the heat sinks on the new macs? |
| 00:03:40 | patlabor221 | 2lbs of aluminum |
| 00:04:07 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:04:08 | doughecka | wel |
| 00:04:14 | doughecka | it keeps it cool |
| 00:04:30 | mandy | lalalalala |
| 00:04:36 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:04:38 | patlabor221 | but damn |
| 00:04:45 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:04:50 | patlabor221 | it gets THAT hot? |
| 00:04:51 | doughecka | makes are very quiet |
| 00:04:54 | doughecka | no |
| 00:04:59 | doughecka | not that hot |
| 00:05:05 | doughecka | but it quiet |
| 00:05:15 | patlabor221 | still has a case fan in the power supply |
| 00:05:25 | patlabor221 | it's no quieter then my gateway P4 |
| 00:05:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:05:46 | patlabor221 | and we did photoshop comparisons |
| 00:05:49 | patlabor221 | it is slower |
| 00:05:52 | doughecka | bah |
| 00:06:01 | patlabor221 | and cost a grand more |
| 00:06:08 | doughecka | "turn on photoshoip plug in?" |
| 00:06:10 | doughecka | :P |
| 00:06:14 | patlabor221 | but hey it's got nice icons |
| 00:06:23 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:06:25 | doughecka | aqua |
| 00:06:26 | doughecka | woo |
| 00:06:26 | patlabor221 | like I say I'd love an imac or a emac |
| 00:06:34 | patlabor221 | hell my pc has aqua |
| 00:06:56 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:07:10 | doughecka | waits for his aution to end |
| 00:07:13 | scanline | is away: searching for food |
| 00:07:33 | patlabor221 | what you buying? |
| 00:07:37 | doughecka | its STILL not showing up in the search |
| 00:07:41 | doughecka | selling ram |
| 00:07:49 | patlabor221 | how can it end? |
| 00:07:56 | patlabor221 | it was 7 days |
| 00:07:58 | doughecka | 7 more days |
| 00:08:04 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 00:08:09 | patlabor221 | then you will be waiting for a while |
| 00:08:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:08:27 | doughecka | woo |
| 00:08:35 | doughecka | 10 people seen my page! |
| 00:08:47 | doughecka | i bet 99 % of them was from #bzflag |
| 00:10:06 | patlabor221 | you did start it rather high |
| 00:10:15 | patlabor221 | ones that start high don't do as well |
| 00:10:55 | doughecka | oh\ |
| 00:10:59 | doughecka | can I change it" |
| 00:11:00 | doughecka | ? |
| 00:11:03 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:11:14 | doughecka | tsk |
| 00:11:15 | doughecka | oh well |
| 00:11:25 | patlabor221 | we start stuff at 0.99 all the time |
| 00:11:37 | patlabor221 | then you get a lot of bidds |
| 00:11:40 | doughecka | I CAN change it... |
| 00:11:44 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:11:48 | patlabor221 | then do so |
| 00:11:50 | patlabor221 | if you wish |
| 00:11:53 | doughecka | its a dutch aution |
| 00:11:59 | patlabor221 | oh |
| 00:12:01 | doughecka | so I can set it too low |
| 00:12:05 | doughecka | cant* |
| 00:12:26 | patlabor221 | remember that everyone gets it at the lowest bid that makes the quan. |
| 00:12:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:12:48 | doughecka | but even 30 bucks aint bad |
| 00:12:50 | patlabor221 | still the higher it starts then the less people will bid |
| 00:12:55 | doughecka | I got the ram for free |
| 00:13:04 | patlabor221 | what have others gone for? |
| 00:13:12 | doughecka | 35+ |
| 00:13:28 | patlabor221 | and what was there starting bid? |
| 00:13:30 | doughecka | for a 256 ECC pc100 chip |
| 00:13:33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:13:36 | doughecka | 1 buck |
| 00:13:52 | doughecka | but they had them listed seperatly |
| 00:13:52 | patlabor221 | yeah thats how you get it up there |
| 00:13:58 | patlabor221 | so |
| 00:14:00 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:14:06 | doughecka | so... |
| 00:14:18 | patlabor221 | we put up 20 PCs at $1.00 |
| 00:14:24 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:14:25 | patlabor221 | and they went for $280 |
| 00:14:32 | doughecka | but you have a researve, dont you? |
| 00:14:35 | doughecka | er |
| 00:14:36 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:14:37 | doughecka | dutch? |
| 00:14:40 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 00:14:42 | doughecka | yah, you cant have one... |
| 00:14:43 | patlabor221 | never a reserve |
| 00:14:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:14:51 | doughecka | so I should lower it? |
| 00:14:59 | patlabor221 | I can not tell you what to do |
| 00:15:02 | doughecka | I dopnt want to sell for below 25 bucks |
| 00:15:09 | patlabor221 | I can just tell you what I know |
| 00:15:14 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:16:13 | patlabor221 | if you want a minimum of 25 then I would have started it at like 24.50 or sommething |
| 00:16:19 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:16:34 | patlabor221 | and done a 10 day |
| 00:16:38 | doughecka | 10? |
| 00:16:40 | doughecka | why? |
| 00:16:40 | patlabor221 | that spans over 2 weekends |
| 00:16:43 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:16:48 | patlabor221 | more people see it |
| 00:16:49 | doughecka | that costs more, dont it? |
| 00:16:58 | jzaun | captain_proton: in PHP how do I OR stuff in an iff, ||? cause that don't seem to be working |
| 00:16:58 | doughecka | 10 cents! |
| 00:17:02 | patlabor221 | like a buck |
| 00:17:06 | patlabor221 | yeah it's nothing |
| 00:17:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:17:08 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:19:18 | patlabor221 | on ebay you want maximum exposure |
| 00:19:27 | patlabor221 | you want people to fight over it |
| 00:19:31 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:19:44 | patlabor221 | so the best way is to let them think that they are geting a REALY good deal |
| 00:20:00 | patlabor221 | if you want them to go for 35 and no more don't even aucoun them |
| 00:20:04 | jzaun | captain_proton: Dolt, nevermind |
| 00:20:07 | patlabor221 | just make them buy it nows |
| 00:20:12 | doughecka | oh? |
| 00:20:19 | patlabor221 | like our computers |
| 00:20:25 | patlabor221 | they aren't bits |
| 00:20:28 | patlabor221 | bids |
| 00:20:31 | patlabor221 | just fixed price |
| 00:20:32 | doughecka | thats all I REALLY want, is something over 35 |
| 00:20:46 | doughecka | but I allready made a dutch thing |
| 00:21:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:22:14 | jzaun | Cool, edit prefs and add map work under the redesigned pages... fun fun |
| 00:22:28 | doughecka | heh |
| 00:22:41 | patlabor221 | then go with it |
| 00:23:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:15:48) |
| 00:23:05 | patlabor221 | just know that you won't get many bids on it untill it nears the end |
| 00:23:10 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:23:16 | jzaun | welcome back scanline |
| 00:23:22 | scanline | thanks jzaun |
| 00:23:26 | patlabor221 | cus people bid on the low stuff first |
| 00:23:40 | doughecka | k |
| 00:27:31 | mandy | wb |
| 00:31:17 | jzaun | http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/ads/sos.html |
| 00:31:47 | csm | anybody here successfully built bzedit 2.1 while running an nvidia card? |
| 00:31:55 | jzaun | :) |
| 00:31:56 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:31:56 | jzaun | me |
| 00:32:10 | csm | hey jzaun... I am aka kernel panic |
| 00:32:22 | jzaun | nice to chat with ya |
| 00:32:29 | jzaun | web patlabor221 |
| 00:32:31 | csm | yah... so what's the secret? |
| 00:32:44 | jzaun | what distro? |
| 00:32:51 | csm | you never heard of it... |
| 00:32:54 | csm | Lunar Linux |
| 00:33:01 | doughecka | HAHAHA |
| 00:33:08 | jzaun | ok... did it come from the moon? |
| 00:33:10 | doughecka | must be captain_proton's version |
| 00:33:11 | jzaun | :-) |
| 00:33:12 | csm | I found and patched our glibc to fix it for bzedit 2.0 |
| 00:33:28 | jzaun | whats the error your getting? |
| 00:33:38 | csm | missing mesa |
| 00:33:46 | jzaun | yah... |
| 00:33:48 | csm | which is nuts since I am running nvidia |
| 00:33:48 | jzaun | ok... |
| 00:34:07 | jzaun | whats the export I used..... |
| 00:34:09 | jzaun | thinks |
| 00:34:42 | csm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lMesaGL |
| 00:34:52 | doughecka | is away: BEEED |
| 00:35:01 | csm | and I threw --without-MesaGL at it! |
| 00:35:05 | jzaun | do a locate GL.so |
| 00:35:32 | csm | hang on... |
| 00:35:34 | jzaun | what paths are coming up |
| 00:35:37 | csm | gotta run updatedb |
| 00:35:54 | csm | nvidia just updated their driver and it aint been four in the am yet! :-) |
| 00:36:20 | jzaun | Whats new in this update? worth getting? |
| 00:36:34 | csm | but anyway it's here: /usr/lib/libGL.so and here: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so |
| 00:36:38 | csm | but those are the links |
| 00:36:54 | csm | i dunno... |
| 00:37:04 | csm | didn't read it... |
| 00:37:35 | csm | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.3123 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.0.3123 |
| 00:37:41 | csm | there... that's the real ones |
| 00:37:49 | csm | the others are links |
| 00:38:17 | jzaun | try a export LDADD -L/usr/X11R6/lib |
| 00:38:22 | jzaun | the reconfigure |
| 00:39:17 | csm | shit... man... I just looked ^^^^ at what I said... |
| 00:39:30 | jzaun | sokay |
| 00:39:34 | csm | it's gtkglarea 1.99 I cannot build... I haven't gotten to bzedit yet |
| 00:39:45 | csm | shakes head... |
| 00:40:08 | jzaun | ok... still I had the same issue |
| 00:40:33 | csm | do you still have your build dir for it laying around? |
| 00:40:57 | jzaun | yah, but I forget what export command I used before I configured it |
| 00:41:12 | csm | go into your build dir and look at the head of your config.log |
| 00:42:49 | jzaun | export -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lpthread -L/usr/lib and try again.... |
| 00:43:58 | csm | what's the name I am assigning to these? |
| 00:44:12 | jzaun | LDADD I beleave |
| 00:45:02 | Widget | Has anyone gotten Mozilla 1.2 alpha yet? |
| 00:45:38 | csm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU |
| 00:45:53 | jzaun | locate GLU |
| 00:46:12 | csm | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so |
| 00:47:42 | jzaun | hmm... |
| 00:48:56 | jzaun | not sure... |
| 00:49:05 | jzaun | captain_proton: you around? |
| 00:49:11 | csm | he-he! |
| 00:49:37 | jzaun | he is the one to talk to :-) |
| 00:49:48 | csm | yeah... he needs a mailing list! |
| 00:51:02 | csm | so have you run the application? |
| 00:51:16 | jzaun | 2.1, yah |
| 00:51:19 | jzaun | 2.2 yah :-) |
| 00:51:21 | csm | is it better? |
| 00:51:35 | jzaun | 2.2... I wish |
| 00:51:48 | jzaun | 2.1 yah it is nicer, 2.2 is in the works from what I understand... |
| 00:51:56 | jzaun | should have more abilities |
| 00:52:09 | csm | well I have seen 2.0 but have not been able to get 2.1 to build... is it worth the fight to get 2.1 going? |
| 00:52:19 | jzaun | yah |
| 00:52:23 | csm | shit... |
| 00:52:28 | jzaun | hehe |
| 00:52:45 | csm | i found 2.0 to be uhm... not very intuitive... |
| 00:52:53 | csm | hard to pur stuff on the map |
| 00:53:00 | jzaun | same in 2.1 |
| 00:53:02 | csm | put nut pur |
| 00:53:10 | jzaun | still need to use the numbers |
| 00:53:11 | csm | gd i cannot type |
| 00:53:16 | csm | gah! |
| 00:53:27 | csm | what's the point of 3d then! |
| 00:53:30 | jzaun | anyone: can you connect to bzflag.net:5155? |
| 00:53:35 | mandy | hey |
| 00:53:39 | csm | I can do that with vim! |
| 00:53:42 | jzaun | To see what the map looks like |
| 00:53:59 | csm | you know how I built the modified mad city at turkey? |
| 00:54:11 | jzaun | nope, vim? |
| 00:54:36 | csm | vim to add and edit and simply run bzflag itself to see what it looked like |
| 00:54:42 | jzaun | heh |
| 00:54:59 | jzaun | anyone: So noone can connect to 5155? |
| 00:55:14 | jzaun | bzflag.net:5155 that is |
| 00:56:06 | csm | i can't |
| 00:56:33 | jzaun | pft... it hung... and its hangin my scripts... |
| 00:56:42 | csm | bummer |
| 00:56:45 | jzaun | gives me a change to make my script more robust though |
| 00:57:04 | csm | ah well... well if you see him tell him I was looking for him k? |
| 00:57:13 | jzaun | will do |
| 00:57:16 | csm | txs |
| 00:57:33 | csm | btw... if you want me I am usually hanging out in #lunar |
| 00:57:43 | jzaun | why not here? |
| 00:57:57 | csm | I am the project leader for Lunar Linux |
| 00:58:03 | jzaun | heh.. fixed my script, added a socket timeout |
| 00:58:07 | jzaun | oh cool |
| 00:58:08 | csm | cool |
| 00:58:13 | jzaun | got a website? |
| 00:58:21 | csm | for the OS? |
| 00:58:27 | jzaun | yah |
| 00:58:32 | csm | lunar-linux.org |
| 00:58:56 | csm | fast OS my friend! blazing! |
| 00:59:12 | jzaun | whats the perks over say Mandrake? |
| 00:59:17 | csm | speed |
| 00:59:27 | jzaun | useability? |
| 01:00:03 | csm | everything is compiled from scratch so it takes a while to get it going... once you do it smokes... the package management system is all in bash and super easy to write modules for it... |
| 01:00:27 | csm | to install something you say: lin $modulename |
| 01:00:28 | mandy | ok see ya every1 |
| 01:00:30 | mandy | bye |
| 01:00:35 | csm | bye |
| 01:00:46 | jzaun | Cool |
| 01:00:49 | csm | lin = lunar install |
| 01:00:50 | jzaun | I'll have to check it out |
| 01:01:01 | csm | to remove something it's lrm $modulename |
| 01:01:15 | csm | to check installed packages you use lvu |
| 01:01:28 | jzaun | Cool |
| 01:01:36 | jzaun | So why you guys fork? |
| 01:01:41 | csm | so lvu $modulename will tell you if it's installed or not |
| 01:01:58 | csm | the guy who started sourcerer didn;t want any help |
| 01:02:20 | jzaun | that sucks... Always take help |
| 01:02:20 | csm | he was a bear to work with (some say he's got a mental issue of some kind but I dunno) |
| 01:02:40 | csm | anyway there was a pi9le of folks who wanted to work together so we did... |
| 01:03:00 | csm | and there was another fork at the same time so we were not the only ones... |
| 01:03:02 | jzaun | Cool, how did you get to be head guy? |
| 01:03:49 | csm | I dunno... I guess I took all the heat in the emotional blowups and I had all the servers (it's all hosted on my boxen) and folks wanted a leader so I was it |
| 01:04:15 | jzaun | Cool |
| 01:04:24 | csm | I'm also the oldest of the bunch... (been in the trade 20 years now) |
| 01:04:42 | jzaun | so your 25 years old? :-) |
| 01:04:49 | csm | smart-aleck |
| 01:04:55 | csm | I wish |
| 01:05:23 | csm | thanx for the help! |
| 01:05:44 | captain_proton | uff |
| 01:05:55 | captain_proton | his problem isn't an issue with the farking nvidia drivers |
| 01:06:03 | captain_proton | its an issue with his half-assed distro |
| 01:06:11 | captain_proton | jzaun: high scores should come from all public servers right? |
| 01:06:14 | jzaun | well, not a day over 26 then |
| 01:06:15 | jzaun | I started into computer around 6 |
| 01:06:35 | jzaun | god I hate my ISP sometime |
| 01:06:37 | jzaun | s |
| 01:06:43 | jzaun | captain_proton: yah from all public servers |
| 01:06:55 | captain_proton | how come it doesn't have my score on there then? |
| 01:07:03 | jzaun | what server? |
| 01:07:08 | captain_proton | bzflag.net :) |
| 01:07:12 | jzaun | thats why |
| 01:07:23 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:07:24 | jzaun | your the dang bzflag.net guy |
| 01:07:38 | jzaun | I can't connct to it... been causing havic with my scripts |
| 01:07:53 | jzaun | I just added a timeout so it would get past bzflag.net and continue on |
| 01:07:55 | captain_proton | strange |
| 01:08:17 | jzaun | I can ping it, just can't connect to it |
| 01:08:27 | captain_proton | you can ping it??? |
| 01:08:34 | captain_proton | you should be able to connect but not ping |
| 01:08:37 | jzaun | 64 bytes from ip-63-241-136-57.secureserver.net (63.241.136.57): icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=54.373 msec |
| 01:08:43 | captain_proton | thats the wrong addy |
| 01:08:47 | captain_proton | should resolve to 128.138.2.42 |
| 01:09:00 | jzaun | ping bzflag.net |
| 01:09:05 | jzaun | PING bzflag.net (63.241.136.57) from 205.201.58.40 : 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:09:10 | jzaun | 64 bytes from ip-63-241-136-57.secureserver.net (63.241.136.57): icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=54.373 msec |
| 01:09:36 | jzaun | That would be why I can't connect then |
| 01:09:46 | captain_proton | could be it just hasn't propogated yet |
| 01:10:06 | jzaun | true, but that meens it propogated with the wrong addy at some point |
| 01:10:32 | jzaun | less its dynamic |
| 01:11:03 | captain_proton | probably hasn't propagated the nameserver info to you yet |
| 01:12:05 | jzaun | how long has it been out there? |
| 01:12:14 | jzaun | shouldn't take more than a day to propogate |
| 01:12:58 | jzaun | Copyright © 2002 Go Daddy Software, Inc. All rights reserved. is the website |
| 01:13:04 | jzaun | that how you got it off of? |
| 01:13:20 | jzaun | s/how/who |
| 01:14:03 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:14:37 | jzaun | bzflag.net is taking me to Go Daddy Software... wanting me to buy the domain |
| 01:14:42 | captain_proton | what dns servers do you see when you whois? |
| 01:15:01 | jzaun | My ISPs |
| 01:15:48 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:15:53 | captain_proton | Domain servers in listed order: |
| 01:15:53 | captain_proton | DNS.BZFLAG.NET |
| 01:15:53 | captain_proton | PARK4.SECURESERVER.NET |
| 01:16:27 | captain_proton | hmm bizzare |
| 01:16:39 | jzaun | how can I check? |
| 01:16:40 | captain_proton | you're getting the right authority info, and you resolve dns.bzflag.net right |
| 01:17:26 | jzaun | nslookup bzflag.net |
| 01:17:35 | jzaun | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 01:18:33 | jzaun | dig gives me the 2 you liked in the authority section |
| 01:19:14 | jzaun | might just take a little longer |
| 01:20:26 | captain_proton | i'm gonna add dns2.bzflag.net and point it towards the same host |
| 01:20:35 | captain_proton | so there aren't conflicting nameservers |
| 01:20:45 | jzaun | ok... |
| 01:22:03 | jzaun | I added it to my hosts file too |
| 01:22:08 | jzaun | so it works for me now |
| 01:26:07 | jzaun | captain_proton: any luck with theme.php? |
| 01:26:19 | captain_proton | haven't looked |
| 01:26:45 | jzaun | ok |
| 01:27:51 | jzaun | Should I allow people to delete maps the submit? |
| 01:29:15 | captain_proton | sure |
| 01:44:51 | csm | so did captain_proton show up? |
| 01:45:10 | captain_proton | csm: your problem is NOT needing mesa |
| 01:45:18 | captain_proton | its that its somehow incorrectly linking with your glibc |
| 01:45:22 | csm | likes that he just knows! |
| 01:45:56 | captain_proton | the nvidia libs provide all the gl symbols - mesa is unnecessary |
| 01:46:32 | csm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lMesaGL |
| 01:46:41 | csm | ^^^^ that is from the config.log |
| 01:46:48 | captain_proton | if its even looking for MesaGL it didn't find libGL correctly |
| 01:46:53 | captain_proton | look up to the previous section |
| 01:47:38 | csm | configure:7709: checking OpenGL |
| 01:47:45 | csm | configure:7749: result: yes |
| 01:47:53 | csm | configure:7752: checking Mesa |
| 01:48:07 | csm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lMesaGL |
| 01:48:18 | captain_proton | send config.log to me |
| 01:48:23 | csm | aye... |
| 01:49:08 | csm | inbound |
| 01:49:32 | csm | btw... there is a patch for glibc that fixed the other thing... |
| 01:50:30 | captain_proton | it looks like it created the makefiles, no? |
| 01:50:47 | csm | yeah it starts to build... |
| 01:50:51 | csm | crap... |
| 01:50:55 | csm | slaps head! |
| 01:51:05 | scanline | I need to find a way to load a dynamic library into a thread such that each instance of that library has a separate heap... maybe some clone() and mmap() magic will do the trick |
| 01:51:30 | csm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU |
| 01:51:31 | csm | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 01:51:42 | csm | make[1]: *** [libgtkgl-2.0.la] Error 1 |
| 01:51:46 | captain_proton | add -L/usr/X11R6/lib to your LDFLAGS |
| 01:53:19 | captain_proton | scanline: you stole my chinese food, didn't you? |
| 01:53:31 | scanline | captain_proton: nah, michael and i got subs |
| 01:53:45 | csm | captain_proton that worked great thanx! |
| 01:53:54 | scanline | also got a pretty bad rugburn on his palm |
| 01:55:49 | csm | captain_proton about bzedit 2.1 which version of gnome-libs is needed? |
| 01:56:13 | captain_proton | 2 |
| 01:56:35 | csm | so gnome2, gtk+-2 and what else? |
| 01:56:43 | captain_proton | gtkglarea-1.99.something |
| 01:56:51 | csm | k txs! |
| 01:57:59 | jzaun | pft... need a break, mind isn't liking PHP much right now |
| 01:58:30 | csm | txs captain_proton |
| 02:00:01 | captain_proton | scanline: we're about to watch an episode of that oh-so-excellent scifi show |
| 02:00:03 | captain_proton | you should come |
| 02:00:21 | jzaun | what show? |
| 02:00:28 | captain_proton | blakes7 |
| 02:00:36 | jzaun | Cool |
| 02:00:47 | scanline | still eating sub and typing one handed due to rugburn |
| 02:01:28 | captain_proton | we destroyed scanline's ears with the theme song last night |
| 02:01:50 | scanline | I wouldn't call it a song... |
| 02:01:58 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:02:01 | jzaun | hehe |
| 02:02:28 | captain_proton | so you're not coming? |
| 02:02:38 | scanline | I dunno |
| 02:02:49 | scanline | should I give in to peer pressure? |
| 02:02:51 | scanline | :) |
| 02:02:55 | captain_proton | well its starting in 1 minute |
| 02:03:01 | scanline | alright |
| 02:04:44 | captain_proton | give me a forsure answer |
| 02:04:56 | captain_proton | if you come bring your chair |
| 02:05:03 | captain_proton | starting now |
| 03:00:52 | nuum | sup |
| 03:00:56 | jzaun | sup |
| 03:01:00 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 03:01:17 | nuum | jzaun: any work to your bzflag site? last time i saw it it had prots name in lights... |
| 03:01:45 | jzaun | blair: working on a new site stats.bzflag.org |
| 03:02:48 | blair | right, i can see it. |
| 03:03:14 | blair | wow, tracks for turkey and eveerything |
| 03:03:54 | blair | maybe you shouldn't track the @ guys? |
| 03:04:20 | jzaun | hehe tracks everyone |
| 03:04:30 | jzaun | I may exclude them though |
| 03:04:38 | jzaun | working on another part right now |
| 03:04:49 | jzaun | you should login though |
| 03:04:55 | jzaun | fillout your pref |
| 03:05:05 | blair | you just run query the servers? htf do you do this? |
| 03:05:24 | jzaun | I'm magic |
| 03:05:30 | blair | yeah, you need some better browsing of "seen" players. |
| 03:05:36 | blair | yeah, and i'm humpty dumpty. |
| 03:05:53 | jzaun | Yah, the player list needs work |
| 03:06:08 | jzaun | you know SQL? |
| 03:06:12 | blair | you shouldn't waste so much space on the left hand side. |
| 03:06:23 | blair | um, just jumping into sql for me databases class... |
| 03:06:39 | jzaun | heh.. hft you delete a row? |
| 03:06:42 | jzaun | I forget |
| 03:07:06 | jzaun | ahh |
| 03:07:08 | jzaun | NM |
| 03:07:17 | jzaun | it wasn't with the SQL statment |
| 03:07:49 | blair | um, DELETE? |
| 03:08:20 | jzaun | DELETE * FROM maps WHERE id=##? |
| 03:08:42 | blair | DELETE [LOW_PRIORITY | QUICK] |
| 03:08:43 | blair | FROM table_name[.*], [table_name[.*] ...] |
| 03:08:43 | blair | USING table-references |
| 03:08:43 | blair | [WHERE where_definition] |
| 03:09:12 | blair | so can the * i think. |
| 03:10:38 | blair | you need some better colors |
| 03:10:59 | jzaun | captain_proton: is working on a new theme |
| 03:11:52 | blair | yeah, i'm sure he'll clean it up. |
| 03:12:16 | blair | maybe some better presentation on the "get stats/server information" |
| 03:12:28 | jzaun | yah thats in th works too |
| 03:12:32 | blair | eg align every server in a table, with r/g/b/v/rog stuff |
| 03:12:34 | jzaun | just want to get everything working first |
| 03:12:41 | blair | man, i should be hacking on this stuff |
| 03:13:12 | blair | my password isn't the same as on bzflag.org/league? |
| 03:13:27 | jzaun | nope |
| 03:13:46 | jzaun | 2 diffrent sites... you can set it up to be the same though |
| 03:14:14 | blair | when did i ever get -7? wtf |
| 03:14:42 | jzaun | your callsign did at some point over the past 3 days |
| 03:15:25 | blair | well, i also have +50... |
| 03:22:26 | jzaun | whats your callsign? |
| 03:25:11 | blair | nuum |
| 03:25:49 | jzaun | you haven't updated your info :-( |
| 03:34:05 | lurgyman | oh my god! my porcupine is bleeding jello! |
| 03:38:24 | captain_proton | pokes blair |
| 03:38:33 | lurgyman | Look, it's an improved version of the bzflag.org site: |
| 03:38:35 | lurgyman | http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&inside=1&url=http://www.bzflag.org/ |
| 03:39:41 | lurgyman | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 03:41:40 | scanline | now we can conquer the world, with a pickle! |
| 03:42:15 | scanline | hahaha... |
| 03:42:16 | scanline | http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&inside=1&url=http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~ejones/software/threading.html |
| 03:42:39 | scanline | "In tradishunal opuh'tin' systems, dere is two tools fo'multitax'in' provided by de opuh'tin' system. WORD! De fust be aprocess, and da damn second be a dread. |
| 03:42:39 | scanline | " |
| 03:43:23 | captain_proton | "Modern opuh'tin' systems directly suppo't dreads in de kernel,which means dat da damn schedulin' uh which process be supposed t'runis done by de opuh'tin' system." |
| 03:44:45 | scanline | "Linux snatch'd some unique approach t'dreads. On Linux, dreads andprocesses is treated da damn same. Dey is bod considered t'betax's. De difference be dat dreads share da damn same memo'y space,stash mappin's and (in general) signal handlers." |
| 03:45:43 | scanline | #include <stdio. 'S coo', bro.h> |
| 03:46:01 | scanline | #include<malloc. Co' got d' beat!h> |
| 03:46:12 | scanline | puh'ro'( "malloc, dig dis: could not allocatestack" ); |
| 03:46:12 | scanline | |
| 03:46:14 | scanline | =) |
| 03:46:26 | lurgyman | g's |
| 03:46:34 | captain_proton | stdio. 'S coo', bro.h is the best |
| 03:46:57 | lurgyman | no, you have to go with gtk/gtk. Right on!.h |
| 03:47:30 | lurgyman | or windows.aah be baaaaaaaaaad.h |
| 03:47:51 | scanline | # GNU Po'table Dreads(Pd) |
| 03:48:07 | lurgyman | on a stick |
| 03:48:14 | scanline | oooh |
| 03:48:25 | scanline | "Pd be a real po'table POSIX/ANSI-C based library fo' dat slow mo-fo platfo'ms whichprovides non-preemptive prio'ity-based schedulin' fo' multiple dreads ofexecushun (aka ``multidreadin''') inside event-rolln applicashuns." |
| 03:49:24 | scanline | likes dialect=bork too |
| 03:49:59 | captain_proton | um gesh dee bork bork |
| 03:51:17 | scanline | Iff yuoo theenk yuoo hefe-a fuoond a boog in GNOo Pt, zeen yuoo shuoold send a repurt escumplete-a es pusseeble-a tu <boog-pt@gnu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!oorg> |
| 03:53:19 | lurgyman | * Letest Noos: |
| 03:53:25 | lurgyman | * up und roonneeng - September 9, 2002, 3:36 PM by joopeeter |
| 03:53:34 | lurgyman | * Effter muny munths ooff prucresteeneshun, zee noo veb seete-a is feenelly up! |
| 03:53:45 | lurgyman | BZFleg is a moolteepleyer 3D tunk bettle-a geme-a. Its oone-a ooff zee must pupooler gemes ifer oon Seelicun Grepheecs mecheenes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot sume-a ooff zee refeeoos. |
| 03:54:37 | scanline | v00t! cerpmun is vreeting "PeecuSM", a sesseeun muneger und lugeen bux fur PeecuGOoI! Thees is a sneek prefeeoo ooff zee lugeen bux ;-) |
| 03:55:02 | lurgyman | Hefeeng OopenGL prublems under veendoos? Try http://vvv.pseoodunymz.demun. Bork bork bork!cu.uk/sooppveen. Bork bork bork!html |
| 03:55:08 | Patlabor221 | wow you people are wierder them I am |
| 03:55:53 | lurgyman | Perheps yuoo'd leeke-a tu feeoo zee oozeer Bettlezune-a stooffff? |
| 03:56:10 | scanline | 3.2. Establishin' some dat slow mo-fo socket connecshun wid PicoGUI |
| 03:56:43 | scanline | De latest stable version uh de Linux kernel is, dig dis: 2.4.19 |
| 03:56:55 | lurgyman | Vhet dues "Oosceelleshun Ooferthrooster" meun? |
| 03:56:56 | lurgyman | Zee term cumes frum zee mufeee-a "Zee Edfentoores ooff Boockeruu Bunzeee: Ecruss zee Ieeght Deemensiun. Bork bork bork!" In it oooor heru B.B. und hees teem ooff sceeentists infent zee "oosceelleshun ooferthrooster," a defeece-a vheech elloos metter tu mufe-a iffffurtlessly thruoogh oozeer metter. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! B.B. demunstretes by dreefing hees rucket cer thruoogh a muoonteeen. Bork bork bork! (Zee speceeel iffffects |
| 03:56:56 | lurgyman | e inseede-a ooff zee muoonteeen ere-a a lut cuuler thun zee flueteeng treeungles inseede-a booeeldings in BZFleg). |
| 03:58:07 | lurgyman | The GNOME project 'as built a complete, right, free and easy-to-use desktop environment for the user, as well as a powerful application framework for the bloomin' software developer. |
| 03:58:39 | scanline | linux. Slap mah fro!kernel.o'g, our mailin' list server, keeps digtin' listed in de SPEWS RBL due to numerical proximity wid an alleged spammer. Ah be baaad... |
| 03:59:02 | lurgyman | GNOME 2.0 DESKTOP AND DEVELOPER PLATFORM RELEASED |
| 03:59:06 | lurgyman | Latest version of the bloody popular, right, multi-platform desktop environment boasts |
| 03:59:06 | lurgyman | simpler user interface and an 'ost of powerful developer tools. |
| 03:59:53 | lurgyman | GNOME 2 De GNOME 2.0 Desktop & Devewopew Pwatfowm has been weweased boasting a simpwew usew intewface and a host of powewfuw devewopew toows. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Wead the Pwess Wewease. |
| 04:01:13 | lurgyman | Maiwing wists: Dewe awe a wot of GNOME-wewated maiwing wists. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! You'ww find a compwehensive wist on the Maiwman wist info page. |
| 04:02:51 | lurgyman | De page you rekestid cannot be found. De page you are lookigg f' mite habe been remobed, uh uh uh uh, had its name changed, uh uh uh uh, or is temporary unabailaggle. |
| 04:03:18 | lurgyman | President Bush callid on de Utid Nashuns Dursday t' mobe kick -- widin weebuhks, duuhhhh, accordigg t' adbisehs -- t' enf'ce its resolushuns demandigg Iraq's disarmamin. Bush told de U.N. Lee me lone!Genehal Assemb de U.S. will work wid de U.N. Lee me lone!Security Council, but warned, uh uh uh uh, "Webuh cannot stand by 'n do nodigg while dangehs gadeh." |
| 04:05:34 | jacques | ? |
| 04:17:53 | Widget | Pfft. |
| 04:17:59 | Widget | http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/09/12/nz.where.ap/index.html |
| 04:18:04 | scanline | tsk :P |
| 04:18:31 | Widget | "NZ children struggle to find homeland" |
| 04:41:18 | jzaun | yah! |
| 04:41:31 | jzaun | Map adding/deleting and editing works :-) |
| 04:43:07 | captain_proton | haha Widget |
| 04:43:26 | blair | don't poke me captain proton. |
| 04:43:52 | blair | sup in wonderland prot? |
| 04:43:53 | captain_proton | poke poke poke! |
| 04:44:13 | blair | you gotta find some better layout for stats.bzflag.org |
| 04:44:31 | | Go poke PicoBot instead! |
| 04:44:31 | scanline | ibot: poke poke poke |
| 04:44:38 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:44:56 | blair | got any composition for me yet? |
| 04:44:59 | scanline | stats.bzflag.org takes me to Tim Riker's page still |
| 04:45:13 | scanline | methinks me DNS is slow... |
| 04:45:37 | jzaun | scanline: try http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/ |
| 04:45:58 | blair | so explain the workings of this site to me. |
| 04:46:07 | blair | every minute you grab stats from all the servers |
| 04:46:12 | jzaun | cron script/mysql database/php |
| 04:46:20 | blair | you put those stats in yer mysql database. |
| 04:46:31 | blair | then you render that out to html via php. |
| 04:46:38 | jzaun | yah |
| 04:46:41 | jzaun | you got it :-) |
| 04:46:47 | blair | wowzers. |
| 04:47:00 | blair | maybe you could suggest a good reference for php/mysql? |
| 04:47:10 | blair | and then go and find some better colors for that freakin site. |
| 04:47:24 | jzaun | http://www.php.net/manual/en/funcref.php |
| 04:47:25 | scanline | jzaun: the player list confuses me... |
| 04:47:27 | blair | and then fix your "players currently online" |
| 04:47:35 | scanline | jzaun: you should have an alphabetic index, and a search |
| 04:47:44 | blair | and then index all players by all the letters of the rainbow |
| 04:47:53 | jzaun | scanline: and alot of oher things too |
| 04:48:04 | jzaun | cripes the site is only 3 days old |
| 04:48:35 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:48:50 | blair | well at least you know what you gotta do. |
| 04:48:58 | jzaun | yah |
| 04:48:59 | jzaun | lots |
| 04:49:03 | scanline | "Players seend in the last 4 min." |
| 04:49:13 | jzaun | I still need to work on the cron script a bit |
| 04:49:21 | jzaun | it gets hungup on some servers |
| 04:49:30 | jzaun | need to check my timeout |
| 04:50:38 | jzaun | php let me add a timeout to an open socket, but not to opening the socket |
| 04:51:34 | jzaun | top 3 items in the personal section work.... need a better name than personal though |
| 04:53:20 | blair | hmmm, in my mysql_connect("mysql_host", "mysql_user", "mysql_password"), what is safe? |
| 04:53:34 | jzaun | yes and no |
| 04:53:41 | jzaun | yes is in a .php file |
| 04:53:46 | jzaun | no if in a inc file |
| 04:54:13 | blair | wtf is an inc file? |
| 04:54:19 | jzaun | a php file can never be downloaded, just run and output |
| 04:54:35 | jzaun | and inc file is php code that is included in other .php files |
| 04:54:37 | blair | wtf, i can see my ~blair/index.php |
| 04:54:52 | jzaun | but when pointed to directly the get sent as text |
| 04:55:00 | blair | ?? |
| 04:55:03 | jzaun | got to setup php on your webserver then |
| 04:55:14 | blair | processed, then shot out as html? |
| 04:55:36 | jzaun | yah for filename.php files |
| 04:56:02 | jzaun | but filename.inc is just sent as plain text if accessed directly |
| 04:56:40 | captain_proton | depends on the server config |
| 04:56:52 | captain_proton | you could make *.biteme processed as php |
| 04:56:56 | jzaun | captain_proton: yes, but bydefault... |
| 04:57:18 | blair | yeah, how do i set it so that if i go to localhost/~blair i get the index.php automagically? |
| 04:57:36 | blair | right now i get the "index of ~blair" screen with the list of files/dirs |
| 04:57:50 | jzaun | heh, got to setup apache |
| 04:57:59 | blair | i'll take a look through it... |
| 04:58:02 | jzaun | was done for me by installing php |
| 04:58:07 | blair | any hints? |
| 04:58:17 | jzaun | httpd.conf |
| 04:58:19 | jzaun | :-) |
| 04:58:48 | jzaun | The install docs for php should be on the site I gave you |
| 04:59:16 | captain_proton | you need to set up a DirectoryIndex for .php files |
| 04:59:20 | jzaun | waits for the new theme.php |
| 04:59:45 | blair | wow thats fun |
| 05:00:28 | blair | proton: throw index.php in there? |
| 05:01:19 | blair | well lets try it... |
| 05:01:30 | blair | i gotsta reload apache? |
| 05:02:27 | blair | wow it works i'm so glad i love you captain proton bless the meq team bless them |
| 05:03:16 | BZFlag | scanline: your DNS cache is corrupt. It may never get fixed. Blame cisco. Restart your nameserver if you can. |
| 05:03:59 | scanline | BZFlag: I'll probably just switch to someone else's name server or run my own.. I don't even know whose nameserver I'm using right now :) |
| 05:04:02 | jzaun | BZFlag: heh... why cisco? |
| 05:09:08 | blair | heh, gotta hack up a script that will allow me to automatically renew my books online... |
| 05:19:07 | BZFlag | jzaun: my cisco 675 does DNS "magic" that I have to work around. |
| 05:19:47 | jzaun | BZFlag: hehe, fun :-) |
| 05:19:56 | BZFlag | anyone know how to turn off "additional records" in DNS replies? The Cisco still mangles those and I can't get it to leave them be. |
| 05:23:32 | jzaun | ah well, bed tim, G'Night all |
| 05:32:21 | scanline | is away: sleepytime |
| 05:40:33 | onthemark | hello all |
| 06:11:35 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: stricmp ==> ?strcmpnocase? |
| 06:11:46 | MrApathyCream | what's the func name? |
| 06:12:54 | captain_proton | strcasecmp |
| 06:13:55 | lurgyman | strncaseisllama |
| 06:14:19 | captain_proton | pittsburgh...weirdly cool |
| 06:16:19 | MrApathyCream | danka |
| 06:20:45 | captain_proton | well the mouth bone's glued to the...t-bone |
| 06:20:53 | captain_proton | the eye-bone's glued to the...breast-bone |
| 06:25:54 | lurgyman | see yourself standing on the wrong end of the cheese stamp line? |
| 06:26:36 | lurgyman | with your host, bee buck bunny mumble |
| 06:27:00 | bomber | moin |
| 07:18:44 | MrApathyCream | cap: |
| 07:18:49 | MrApathyCream | cvs add foo.bar |
| 07:19:05 | MrApathyCream | cvs server: cannot add file on non-branch tag HEAD |
| 07:20:07 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:25:16 | captain_proton | nods at BZFlag |
| 07:25:41 | MrApathyCream | perhaps i co'ed wrong for 1.8, wassit again? |
| 07:27:21 | captain_proton | co bzflag |
| 07:27:22 | captain_proton | :P |
| 07:27:40 | captain_proton | you're using :ext: & SSH? |
| 07:28:25 | MrApathyCream | hmm maybe i did -r HEAD |
| 07:28:33 | MrApathyCream | do-over |
| 07:29:12 | captain_proton | whatcha adding? |
| 07:29:19 | MrApathyCream | nuttin :) |
| 07:29:28 | captain_proton | looks suspiciously at MrApathyCream |
| 07:29:48 | MrApathyCream | grins like a cheschire dog |
| 07:30:40 | MrApathyCream | ah much better |
| 07:34:30 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 07:34:30 | captain_proton | ibot logs |
| 07:42:28 | MrApathyCream | in there |
| 07:44:37 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: just do a cvs up -PdA in the tree, that will fix it. |
| 07:45:12 | MrApathyCream | thanks, i did a full recheck out |
| 07:45:16 | MrApathyCream | oh well |
| 07:45:28 | MrApathyCream | (in a new local dir) |
| 07:46:25 | captain_proton | ahhhhhh |
| 07:46:41 | captain_proton | i'm inheriting from a Gtk::Toolbar and filling it with buttons in the constructor |
| 07:46:44 | captain_proton | 's head explodes |
| 07:47:06 | MrApathyCream | wipes the peanut butter off his screen |
| 07:47:37 | captain_proton | its so strange doing GUI programming like this but its SOOOO COOL |
| 07:50:29 | captain_proton | off to bed |
| 07:50:42 | MrApathyCream | cu |
| 07:50:47 | MrApathyCream | little early, no? |
| 07:51:09 | MrApathyCream | sheesh, when your retired, you loose all track of time |
| 08:06:26 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 08:09:04 | bomber | hi Pinguin |
| 08:09:09 | bomber | nwo warst du? |
| 08:09:26 | bomber | habe ich angerufen |
| 08:09:36 | bomber | hast du die photos? |
| 08:12:15 | Pinguin | so viele Fragen ... |
| 08:12:19 | Pinguin | Wo war ich wann? |
| 08:12:25 | Pinguin | Photos? Ja! |
| 08:13:23 | bomber | gut |
| 08:13:40 | bomber | gestern....:o) |
| 08:13:43 | Pinguin | Versuche einen Film für Charles zu machen ... |
| 08:14:00 | bomber | letztes was du zu mir gesagt hast war: |
| 08:14:13 | bomber | ich gehe kurz zu Charles :o) |
| 08:14:30 | Pinguin | Hat länger gedauert ... bis 22:45 ... dann wollte ich heim ... |
| 08:14:38 | bomber | haha |
| 08:15:07 | bomber | was fuer film ? |
| 08:15:09 | Pinguin | Aber heute!!! Trainieren!!! |
| 08:15:18 | bomber | spaeter |
| 08:15:34 | Pinguin | Simulationsergebnisse in Bilder zusammenfassen zu einem Film für prima Konferenz irgendwo ... |
| 08:15:50 | bomber | was fuer soft? |
| 08:16:10 | Pinguin | SimWindows :-( ... übles Zeug ... |
| 08:16:13 | bomber | ich wollte auch etwas aehnliches machen |
| 08:16:51 | Pinguin | Habe mir gerade MPEG-Encoder installiert ... |
| 08:16:58 | bomber | HF-felder? |
| 08:17:21 | Pinguin | Nö ... Bänderdiagramme -... |
| 08:17:41 | bomber | warum machst du es nicht mit gifs |
| 08:18:01 | Pinguin | Animated gif? mit 1000 Bildern??? |
| 08:18:03 | Pinguin | Hm ... |
| 08:18:13 | bomber | es sind nur paar linien :o) |
| 08:18:42 | bomber | schreibe ein program :o) |
| 08:19:15 | Pinguin | Was für ein Gewüre die Bilder unter Windoof automatisiert auszulesen ... Oh Gott .... |
| 08:19:24 | bomber | hehe |
| 08:20:15 | Pinguin | Visual Basic von der grausamen Art .... Ich HASSE Windooze ... |
| 08:20:26 | bomber | ich hasse VB |
| 08:21:03 | bomber | woher hat charles die 1000-Bildern |
| 08:21:07 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 08:21:24 | Pinguin | VB steuert mit Sendkeys (würg) Simwindows ... |
| 08:21:59 | bomber | brrrrrr |
| 08:22:28 | bomber | es sollte auf dem laptop laufen? |
| 08:23:03 | Pinguin | ??? Der Film ??? |
| 08:23:04 | bomber | richtige multimedia? |
| 08:23:09 | bomber | ja |
| 08:23:15 | Pinguin | Ah ... ja .. für Laptop und Beamer ! |
| 08:23:24 | bomber | brrrrr |
| 08:23:33 | bomber | mit musik :o)))))))) |
| 08:23:54 | Pinguin | Ja .. Elektronen die rauschen :-) |
| 08:23:57 | bomber | kannst du kompletten vortrag als avi laufen lassen |
| 08:24:05 | bomber | :o))) |
| 08:24:15 | bomber | muss du nicht da sein |
| 08:24:28 | bomber | schickst du es per internet |
| 08:24:34 | bomber | :o))))) |
| 08:24:37 | Pinguin | LOL ... |
| 08:25:41 | bomber | wieviele lizenzen haben wir fuer MW ? |
| 08:26:01 | bomber | ich brauche was simulieren |
| 08:26:01 | Pinguin | MW??? |
| 08:26:10 | bomber | DENKE |
| 08:26:17 | Pinguin | MWS? |
| 08:26:22 | bomber | JAAAAA |
| 08:26:28 | bomber | bist du aber gut |
| 08:26:40 | Pinguin | Weiss ich nicht ... aber wir haben nur Dongles ... keinen Server ... |
| 08:27:01 | Pinguin | Brauchst Du konkret Dongle für krasse Software? |
| 08:27:19 | bomber | ich brauche nur etwas simulieren |
| 08:27:28 | bomber | ich komme heute vorbei |
| 08:27:36 | bomber | wird es frei???? |
| 08:27:39 | bomber | :o))))))))))) |
| 08:27:56 | Pinguin | Wenn es schnell geht können wir es hier eingeben ... ansonsten gebe ich Dir ein Dongle it ... |
| 08:28:37 | Pinguin | Tin's Rechner ist noch etwa einen Tag am rechnen ... den kriegst Du nicht! |
| 08:28:41 | bomber | also es sollte schon schnell gehen...aber eingeben :o)???? |
| 08:28:55 | bomber | und dein? |
| 08:30:12 | Pinguin | Der Laptop ... geht OK aber max 200 000 Meshzellen ohne (!) viele E/H oder Fernfeld-Monitore ... (die saugen zuviel Speicher) |
| 08:30:50 | bomber | es reicht |
| 08:31:02 | Pinguin | OK ... |
| 08:31:28 | bomber | ok dann bis dann :o) |
| 08:31:34 | bomber | gruesse an charles |
| 08:32:14 | Pinguin | OK ... |
| 09:40:46 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:40:46 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 09:40:47 | bzbot | Lucidor (R): -7 (126-133). egg (G): -4 (36-40). chef (R): -3 (1-4). zimbo (G): -7 (37-44). Metal Magic The Ace Of Aces (R): 6 (12-6). intrix (G): -1 (9-10). |
| 09:41:11 | Pinguin | tz tz tz ... |
| 09:46:01 | bomber | zt zt zt |
| 09:46:06 | | hmmm... Pinguin is hating ibot! |
| 09:46:06 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 09:52:07 | bomber | is away: lunch |
| 10:03:27 | [TeA]98 | hohoh |
| 10:03:31 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:03:31 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 10:03:31 | bzbot | Lucidor (R): 5 (177-172). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (G): -12 (24-36). rm -r (R): 0 (21-21). |
| 10:06:18 | bomber | is back (gone 00:14:10) |
| 10:06:25 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:06:25 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:06:26 | bzbot | Lucidor (R): 2 (180-178). tealini(penguins) (G): 1 (4-3). intrix (G): 0 (0-0). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (G): -15 (27-42). bullfrog (R): -1 (0-1). rm -r (R): 2 (27-25). |
| 10:07:49 | bomber | is away: lunch2 :o) |
| 10:28:08 | strayer | hi |
| 10:28:13 | strayer | bomber? |
| 10:33:30 | [TeA]98 | bomber stp eating so much ! |
| 10:33:46 | strayer | :) |
| 10:33:53 | [TeA]98 | :o))))))))))))) |
| 10:33:59 | [TeA]98 | Pinguin ! |
| 10:34:07 | sussudio | gah |
| 10:34:27 | [TeA]98 | We will probaly have a mazch against the Elite today |
| 10:34:47 | sussudio | anyone want to give some comments on sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 ? |
| 10:34:57 | [TeA]98 | ahvent been there |
| 10:35:03 | [TeA]98 | ill go there |
| 10:35:06 | sussudio | k |
| 10:35:08 | [TeA]98 | is it on server list ? |
| 10:35:11 | sussudio | no |
| 10:35:20 | [TeA]98 | writing down |
| 10:35:25 | sussudio | k |
| 10:35:44 | [TeA]98 | im going there |
| 10:36:26 | strayer | sussudio....any changes until the last visit? |
| 10:36:54 | sussudio | some |
| 10:37:07 | sussudio | i just changed it to laser and cloak only |
| 10:38:15 | bomber | is back (gone 00:30:26) |
| 10:38:19 | strayer | aha |
| 10:41:47 | Sniper | any of the penguins here?+ |
| 10:43:01 | bomber | ja |
| 10:43:16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:43:16 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:43:17 | bzbot | Lucidor (R): -1 (257-258). intrix (G): 0 (0-0). xabbu (G): -4 (13-17). |
| 10:43:40 | Sniper | sombody is looking fro a penguin on ducati server!! |
| 10:43:56 | bomber | who? |
| 10:43:58 | Sniper | from team elite i think |
| 10:44:07 | bomber | ach soo...hmmm tea |
| 10:44:08 | Sniper | wants a match |
| 10:44:16 | bomber | ich glaube schon |
| 10:44:20 | Sniper | intrix i think |
| 10:44:28 | bomber | i know...tea |
| 10:44:38 | Sniper | hes not here |
| 10:44:44 | bomber | but i am after lunch |
| 10:44:50 | bomber | :o( |
| 10:44:52 | strayer | tea is on sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 |
| 10:44:52 | Sniper | ok i tell him |
| 10:44:58 | Sniper | ok |
| 10:44:59 | Sniper | thx |
| 10:46:19 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:46:19 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 10:46:21 | bzbot | Lucidor (R): -1 (262-263). intrix (G): 1 (4-3). legion (penguins) (R): 1 (3-2). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -1 (1-2). xabbu (G): -2 (18-20). fred (G): -4 (0-4). Bad to the bones! (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 10:46:37 | strayer | [TeA]98...Sniper hat dich grade gesucht |
| 10:48:59 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:48:59 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:49:00 | bzbot | MW (G): 0 (1-1). intrix (G): 2 (6-4). legion (penguins) (R): -2 (7-9). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -1 (7-8). xabbu (G): 2 (27-25). fred (G): -4 (4-8). [dmp] (R): -1 (0-1). Bad to the bones! (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 10:49:41 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:49:41 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:49:41 | bzbot | MW (G): 1 (2-1). intrix (G): 2 (6-4). legion (penguins) (R): -3 (8-11). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -1 (7-8). xabbu (G): 3 (29-26). fred (G): -5 (4-9). [dmp] (R): -1 (1-2). Bad to the bones! (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 10:54:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:54:33 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:54:33 | bzbot | MW (G): -1 (12-13). intrix (G): -1 (3-4). legion (penguins) (R): -5 (16-21). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): 2 (18-16). xabbu (G): -3 (36-39). fred (G): -8 (9-17). [dmp] (R): 1 (13-12). Bad to the bones! (R): 6 (6-0). |
| 10:59:36 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:59:36 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:59:36 | bzbot | zimbo (G): -2 (1-3). intrix (G): -4 (10-14). Bosco (R): 0 (0-0). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -1 (27-28). xabbu (G): -6 (42-48). fred (G): -11 (17-28). [dmp] (R): 2 (26-24). Bad to the bones! (R): 6 (7-1). |
| 11:02:36 | | bomber: what? |
| 11:02:36 | bomber | ibot: [Team]98 |
| 11:10:37 | | bomber: sorry... |
| 11:10:37 | bomber | ibot: [Team]98 |
| 11:10:40 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:10:40 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 11:10:41 | bzbot | zimbo (G): -15 (22-37). intrix (G): -7 (36-43). egg (R): 1 (12-11). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -10 (45-55). trubi (G): 2 (19-17). fred (G): -23 (27-50). [dmp] (R): 3 (52-49). Bad to the bones! (R): 20 (42-22). |
| 11:15:45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:15:45 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 11:15:46 | bzbot | zimbo (G): -22 (35-57). intrix (G): -16 (40-56). egg (R): 4 (24-20). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -11 (57-68). trubi (G): 3 (32-29). fred (G): -33 (34-67). [dmp] (R): 9 (70-61). Bad to the bones! (R): 27 (56-29). |
| 11:17:21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:17:21 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 11:17:21 | bzbot | zimbo (G): -20 (43-63). intrix (G): -15 (42-57). egg (R): 4 (28-24). Walter Wolf (The Elite) (R): -11 (60-71). trubi (G): 4 (35-31). fred (G): -36 (34-70). [dmp] (R): 5 (71-66). Bad to the bones! (R): 28 (60-32). @T (penguins) (P): 0 (0-0). |
| 11:20:25 | PerfectCell | See my bounding spheres: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/ttboundspheres.jpg |
| 11:20:34 | PerfectCell | and my |
| 11:21:17 | PerfectCell | potentiall collider polygons highlighting:http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/ttcollisionhighlighting.jpg |
| 11:22:09 | PerfectCell | s |
| 11:22:28 | PerfectCell | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/ttcollisionhighlighting.jpg |
| 11:39:47 | bomber | nice p_cell |
| 11:43:27 | bomber | hi tea :o) |
| 11:43:28 | [BZ]Ruudi | tere |
| 11:44:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | how comes i got lag i got new dsl connection....just faster than my last one all same same isp and so on...but i got lag now |
| 11:44:39 | [BZ]Ruudi | can't play in ducati |
| 11:44:54 | [BZ]Ruudi | pppoe matters anything to lag?õ |
| 11:54:30 | bomber | is away: coffee :o) |
| 12:05:02 | [TeA|TrEE] | brb |
| 12:06:45 | [TeA]98 | X-( |
| 12:06:47 | [TeA]98 | hi |
| 12:07:16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:07:16 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 12:07:17 | bzbot | legion (penguins) (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:10:54 | bomber | is back (gone 00:16:24) |
| 12:11:03 | bomber | Pinguin |
| 12:11:13 | | Pinguin is hating ibot! |
| 12:11:13 | bomber | ibot: Pinguin |
| 12:11:20 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:11:20 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:11:20 | bzbot | legion (penguins) (R): -5 (2-7). tea_ (penguins) (G): 5 (7-2). |
| 12:16:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:16:33 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:16:33 | bzbot | legion (penguins) (R): -8 (5-13). tea_ (penguins) (G): 8 (13-5). |
| 12:18:13 | [TeA]98 | hehe |
| 12:19:22 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:19:22 | [TeA]98 | ibot, ducati |
| 12:19:22 | bzbot | MIRELLA (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:27:23 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:27:23 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:27:24 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:27:59 | sussudio | Server is boring |
| 12:29:01 | metal_magic | hi |
| 12:29:09 | metal_magic | come play on ducati! :-) |
| 12:46:30 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:46:30 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 12:46:31 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:46:34 | [TeA|TrEE] | uff |
| 12:46:36 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:46:36 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:46:36 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:46:39 | metal_magic | come there! |
| 12:46:42 | [TeA|TrEE] | hi bomber |
| 12:46:45 | bomber | hi |
| 12:46:46 | [TeA|TrEE] | were ? |
| 12:46:51 | metal_magic | ducati |
| 12:46:52 | [TeA|TrEE] | im on ducati ! |
| 12:47:03 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:47:03 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:47:07 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:47:07 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:47:07 | bzbot | tea_ (penguins) (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:47:13 | metal_magic | ok |
| 13:04:38 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:04:38 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 13:04:38 | bzbot | [TeA|TrEE] (R): 0 (0-0). p on suckerline (G): -3 (0-3). rm -r (G): 9 (37-28). zimbo (G): -10 (29-39). Satan's Evil Twin (G): -6 (14-20). |
| 13:05:45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:05:45 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:05:46 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): -1 (1-2). rm -r (R): 2 (3-1). zimbo (G): -12 (29-41). Satan's Evil Twin (G): -9 (15-24). |
| 13:06:06 | [TeA|TrEE] | hohohoh |
| 13:07:36 | Pinguin | lalala |
| 13:07:56 | bomber | na endlich |
| 13:08:06 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:08:06 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:08:07 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (R): 1 (4-3). Jay (R): -1 (3-4). rm -r (R): 2 (8-6). zimbo (G): -12 (35-47). Satan's Evil Twin (G): -11 (19-30). |
| 13:08:10 | Pinguin | Sorry ... |
| 13:19:50 | bomber | TeA |
| 13:24:37 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:24:37 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 13:24:37 | bzbot | Midwinter (R): -4 (0-4). bombini (G): 1 (9-8). rm -r (R): -13 (42-55). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 13 (20-7). Jay Chow (R): 0 (0-0). Satan's Evil Twin (G): -10 (54-64). |
| 13:26:57 | bomber | TeA |
| 13:27:00 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:27:00 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:27:00 | bzbot | fred (R): -1 (1-2). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 17 (25-8). Satan's Evil Twin (G): -8 (58-66). |
| 13:34:03 | PerfectCell | ibot help |
| 13:34:23 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibor, help |
| 13:34:27 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, help |
| 13:38:20 | sussudio | ok that was real bad... 4 users on my crappppppppp connectionm |
| 13:41:01 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:41:01 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 13:41:02 | bzbot | Jay (R): -15 (5-20). fred (R): -21 (20-41). nobody (G): -6 (7-13). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 13 (18-5). creepy (R): 1 (1-0). llama man (G): 0 (1-1). IDieOften (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:42:09 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:42:09 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:42:10 | bzbot | Jay (R): -15 (7-22). fred (R): -24 (21-45). nobody (G): -7 (9-16). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 17 (24-7). creepy (R): 2 (3-1). llama man (G): 0 (2-2). IDieOften (R): -1 (1-2). |
| 13:42:18 | [TeA|TrEE] | hehe |
| 13:42:22 | [TeA|TrEE] | ich connecte jetzt |
| 13:42:28 | bomber | hehe |
| 13:42:40 | bomber | du solltest dein linux installieren |
| 13:42:52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:42:52 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:42:53 | bzbot | Jay (R): -16 (7-23). fred (R): -24 (22-46). nobody (G): -8 (9-17). Ruudi [BZ] (G): 20 (28-8). creepy (R): 5 (6-1). llama man (G): -2 (2-4). IDieOften (R): -3 (1-4). @T (P): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:44:39 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:44:39 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:44:40 | bzbot | jpablo (R): -1 (0-1). fred (R): -27 (23-50). nobody (G): -8 (12-20). creepy (R): 6 (9-3). llama man (G): 0 (6-6). IDieOften (R): -4 (4-8). tealini(penguins) (G): 1 (2-1). |
| 13:45:16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:45:16 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 13:45:16 | bzbot | jpablo (R): 0 (2-2). fred (R): -29 (23-52). nobody (G): -10 (13-23). legion (penguins) (G): 1 (1-0). creepy (R): 6 (10-4). llama man (G): 2 (9-7). IDieOften (R): -5 (4-9). tealini(penguins) (G): 1 (2-1). @ (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:55:34 | lurgyman | my meatloaf launcher is broken |
| 14:07:44 | sussudio | grrr |
| 14:07:56 | sussudio | Map Not Added |
| 14:07:57 | sussudio | The map must be opened and saved with BZEdit. |
| 14:08:03 | sussudio | stupid script |
| 14:08:15 | bomber | bye |
| 14:14:24 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-13 14:29:25 | ChronoSpace | Using Snort Stealthily | Google Returns to China | Open Source TV |
| 14:14:24 | sussudio | ibot slashdot |
| 14:20:13 | | sussudio: wish i knew |
| 14:20:13 | sussudio | ibot: what the hell timezone are you on? |
| 14:21:45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:21:45 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot, ducati |
| 14:21:46 | bzbot | T-bird (R): 24 (90-66). DeadMeat (R): -8 (32-40). anaconda (G): 2 (8-6). Sadista Muff (G): 4 (25-21). MakosTeszta (G): -3 (33-36). Satan's Evil Twin (R): -16 (13-29). TazMainiac (G): -6 (15-21). |
| 14:30:29 | doug_school | why does it do that? |
| 14:31:04 | doug_school | gets his text LCD display to work |
| 14:39:30 | captain_proton | haha antagonize |
| 14:50:48 | doug_school | hehe |
| 14:50:51 | scanline | is back (gone 09:18:30) |
| 14:50:54 | doug_school | that works now? |
| 14:53:59 | doug_school | shorts out his microchip again |
| 14:56:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 14:56:45 | doug_school | HI |
| 14:56:54 | doug_school | hihi |
| 14:56:56 | doug_school | hihihi |
| 14:57:02 | doug_school | hihihi ruddi |
| 14:57:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://www.kiri-uu.com/goingto.html |
| 14:57:28 | doug_school | ? |
| 14:59:58 | doug_school | bah, cant use things over 16 bytes long |
| 15:06:54 | doug_school | LCD panels backlight takes too much power |
| 15:07:20 | anaconda | hi! |
| 15:08:16 | doug_school | um, hi |
| 15:45:43 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room before eating some pseudofoodlike stuff |
| 15:49:14 | Chestal | grmpf, sucky team on ducati |
| 15:49:17 | Chestal | not mine, the other |
| 15:53:53 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:53:53 | Pinguin | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:53:53 | bzbot | Storm (R): -1 (0-1). xabbu (R): -14 (55-69). Zwei (G): 1 (14-13). MrPlow (R): -5 (8-13). bomber (G): 2 (6-4). Terminator (R): -6 (23-29). luc (G): 9 (26-17). |
| 16:20:39 | jzaun | Its so quiet today... where is everyone? |
| 16:22:12 | sussudio | jzaun: your map submitter wont accept my map |
| 16:22:27 | jzaun | Whats it tell you? |
| 16:22:48 | sussudio | Map Not Added |
| 16:22:51 | sussudio | The map must be opened and saved with BZEdit. |
| 16:23:00 | jzaun | yup |
| 16:23:08 | sussudio | and? |
| 16:23:15 | jzaun | you have bzedit? |
| 16:23:21 | sussudio | gr. |
| 16:23:36 | jzaun | what software did you make the map with? |
| 16:23:50 | sussudio | b.z.e.d.i.t. |
| 16:24:10 | jzaun | whats the first line of the map file? |
| 16:24:33 | sussudio | # World built with bzedit32, available at |
| 16:24:34 | sussudio | # http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 16:24:42 | jzaun | ok hold on |
| 16:25:35 | jzaun | try it now |
| 16:27:41 | sussudio | ok/ |
| 16:27:55 | jzaun | did it accept it? |
| 16:28:12 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/player.php?callsign=sussudio |
| 16:28:16 | jzaun | looks like it |
| 16:28:50 | sussudio | it's not downloadable or anything, i hope |
| 16:29:00 | jzaun | no not yet |
| 16:29:13 | jzaun | you don't want it to be? |
| 16:29:14 | sussudio | umm not ever |
| 16:29:16 | sussudio | no |
| 16:29:22 | sussudio | and i dont want my email public.... |
| 16:29:38 | jzaun | ok let me fix those 2 up then |
| 16:29:58 | sussudio | k |
| 16:33:26 | sussudio | patlabor221: think you can write a sanity check for maps? like teleporters inside other things? |
| 16:33:57 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:34:06 | sussudio | k |
| 16:35:47 | sussudio | ugh stupid dalnet |
| 16:47:51 | jzaun | sussudio: You can make your email private under edit prefs now |
| 16:48:00 | sussudio | k |
| 16:48:18 | sussudio | are you going to do anything with the map |
| 16:48:32 | jzaun | eventually yes |
| 16:48:52 | sussudio | getting kinda bored of waterworld and mirrors |
| 16:49:53 | jzaun | My next task is to list the maps on a "Maps" page for people to look at/ vote on/ download them |
| 16:50:06 | jzaun | I will add a no download option for the Authors though |
| 16:50:52 | sussudio | how do you look at them without playing |
| 16:51:18 | jzaun | a HUD like graphic will be generated for them |
| 16:51:41 | jzaun | I still have to work on the server scripts to connect to the database and get maps to play with |
| 16:51:56 | sussudio | that will look rather confusing with my map |
| 16:52:06 | jzaun | So one a map is submitted they will be playable |
| 16:53:08 | sussudio | ok |
| 16:53:16 | jzaun | hopefully all the map realted stuff will be working in a day or two |
| 16:54:02 | sussudio | that bzflag.noodleroni.com server is really laggy for me |
| 16:54:17 | jzaun | The 100 shot one? |
| 16:54:24 | sussudio | could be |
| 16:54:31 | sussudio | it has doug's map on it |
| 16:54:32 | jzaun | it needs alot of bandwith |
| 16:55:47 | captain_proton | shots are sent over tcp |
| 16:55:51 | captain_proton | which is why it lags so much |
| 17:08:13 | captain_proton | the next bzedit is gonna be so secksy |
| 17:08:45 | captain_proton | the entire interface is gonna be docks |
| 17:08:51 | captain_proton | so you can assemble the workspace however you want |
| 17:09:18 | patlabor221 | but will it have features? |
| 17:09:27 | patlabor221 | like the staircase tool |
| 17:09:57 | captain_proton | right now i'm working on the base interface |
| 17:10:02 | captain_proton | then i'll add all the features |
| 17:11:04 | patlabor221 | make it all command line |
| 17:11:43 | captain_proton | hah |
| 17:12:35 | sussudio | the map on astercity is built kinda odd..... |
| 17:12:45 | sussudio | you'll notice when you go through them with OO |
| 17:13:06 | sussudio | there's a lot of unnessary overlapping stuff |
| 17:22:41 | jzaun | sussudio: you can edit you maps to make them no downloadable |
| 17:22:59 | sussudio | k |
| 17:28:24 | jzaun | oooh, someone topped 200 points |
| 17:28:34 | sussudio | duplicates box-2 copy copy copy copy copy |
| 17:29:12 | sussudio | jzaun: wouldnt have been someone on sky forts.....? |
| 17:29:23 | sussudio | that map is camper's heaven |
| 17:30:15 | jzaun | not sure, they are on astercity now though |
| 17:30:15 | sussudio | blackdragonsomething? |
| 17:30:15 | jzaun | Sirhan Sirhan |
| 17:31:05 | sussudio | k guess he could have changed his name |
| 17:32:28 | captain_proton | loonchtime |
| 17:33:30 | jzaun | yup, gonna throw in Frank Herbert's DUNE for a quick 295min movie |
| 17:35:07 | sussudio | goodie. |
| 17:35:07 | sussudio | mauh d'hib em |
| 17:35:41 | jzaun | yah its one of my all time fav movies |
| 17:43:15 | Pinguin | Anyone seen Memento ... excellent Movie too |
| 17:56:19 | captain_proton | mother nature has started using...its the only explaination |
| 18:19:40 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 18:30:15 | yoyox | ;( |
| 18:30:16 | yoyox | Verifying archive integrity...OK |
| 18:30:18 | yoyox | Uncompressing BZFlag 1.7e4 Installer............................................................................................ |
| 18:30:20 | sussudio | i've started making a new map... anyone want to have a look at the start? sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 |
| 18:30:21 | yoyox | chown: seperation of user and group with a period is deprecated |
| 18:30:21 | yoyox | This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on FreeBSD / x86 |
| 18:30:22 | yoyox | (tried to run setup) |
| 18:30:25 | yoyox | Fatal error, no tech support email configured in this setup |
| 18:30:27 | yoyox | The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 18:30:30 | yoyox | Fatal error, no tech support email configured in this setup |
| 18:30:33 | yoyox | The program returned an error code (1) |
| 18:30:35 | yoyox | ;-[ |
| 18:38:53 | sussudio | nevermind |
| 18:41:44 | scanline | is away: It's lecturific! |
| 18:42:50 | csm | captain_proton you here? |
| 18:42:52 | captain_proton | yes |
| 18:43:13 | csm | cool... thanx for your help with bzedit... it's all up and running now |
| 18:43:39 | csm | now I get to figure out how to use it! |
| 18:43:41 | csm | :-) |
| 18:44:04 | csm | oh... and the new version *IS* in the distro like I told you it would be |
| 18:44:10 | csm | l8er! |
| 18:49:54 | captain_proton | yay for segfaults |
| 18:50:27 | scan[ibook] | set up a segfault handler, have it longjmp() to main() |
| 18:50:45 | captain_proton | :) |
| 19:00:41 | captain_proton | needs patlabor's new toolbar icons |
| 19:01:44 | captain_proton | speak of the devil |
| 19:01:54 | patlabor221 | all youer souls are MINE |
| 19:01:58 | patlabor221 | opps wrong macro. |
| 19:02:22 | patlabor221 | sup? |
| 19:02:45 | captain_proton | can you send me the toolbar-icons image? I need the red-trans, scale and rotate graphics |
| 19:04:34 | patlabor221 | nevaaaaa, you will have to pry them from my cold dead hands..... we at least from the zip disk. |
| 19:04:50 | patlabor221 | what format you want them in? |
| 19:04:55 | captain_proton | anything gimp can read |
| 19:05:21 | patlabor221 | firing up the shop of photo. |
| 19:07:03 | patlabor221 | how bout I send you an image with all the buttons |
| 19:07:10 | captain_proton | that works |
| 19:07:22 | captain_proton | yet more proof of patlabor221's laziness :) |
| 19:08:01 | patlabor221 | well they are resources |
| 19:08:16 | captain_proton | is fully aware of how toolbar resources work in windows |
| 19:10:08 | patlabor221 | yeah and I don't know what ones you have and don't have |
| 19:10:16 | patlabor221 | so I figure I will send them all |
| 19:10:26 | PerfectCell | can phong shading be done with pixel shaders? |
| 19:10:31 | captain_proton | i just need the red vs trans, and scale / rot |
| 19:10:32 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:10:37 | PerfectCell | cool |
| 19:10:47 | captain_proton | not going to use x<-->y, x<-->z, or the pickmode |
| 19:10:51 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:10:58 | patlabor221 | well your geting them all |
| 19:11:23 | captain_proton | ponders asking jimmac to make some pretty toolbar icons |
| 19:11:35 | patlabor221 | please do |
| 19:11:44 | patlabor221 | as I just made those very fast |
| 19:12:10 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/TButons.png |
| 19:12:31 | captain_proton | red/trans is pretty |
| 19:12:36 | captain_proton | 404 |
| 19:13:06 | captain_proton | nvm |
| 19:13:08 | captain_proton | got it |
| 19:13:14 | captain_proton | TButtons instead of TButons :) |
| 19:13:20 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 19:13:25 | captain_proton | what are the new 3 at the end? |
| 19:13:28 | patlabor221 | damn my flawed logic |
| 19:13:37 | patlabor221 | ingel select |
| 19:13:39 | patlabor221 | multi slect |
| 19:13:44 | patlabor221 | and nothing |
| 19:13:49 | patlabor221 | I am just playing with them |
| 19:14:02 | patlabor221 | it was suposed to be single or group mode |
| 19:14:08 | patlabor221 | but I don't think I need them |
| 19:14:39 | patlabor221 | the last one is just the default empty one from the editor |
| 19:15:30 | patlabor221 | how are you switching from pick to drag to scale/ ect?? |
| 19:16:05 | captain_proton | you're in pick mode if nothing is selected (or the shift key is held down, for multiple selections) |
| 19:16:13 | captain_proton | drag if something is selected |
| 19:16:30 | patlabor221 | k |
| 19:16:34 | captain_proton | might get rid of the scale button and just do scale if they pull on a control point |
| 19:16:38 | captain_proton | need to figure out rotation better :P |
| 19:17:04 | patlabor221 | I thought about adding scale and rotate widgets to some sort of BBox selection marker |
| 19:17:23 | captain_proton | something like truespace? |
| 19:17:36 | captain_proton | that interface is thexy |
| 19:18:26 | patlabor221 | only used it rearely |
| 19:18:34 | patlabor221 | need tho think about it |
| 19:20:04 | patlabor221 | right now I am totaly re-doing the innards of it |
| 19:20:25 | patlabor221 | I may be ditching the MFC part too |
| 19:20:57 | captain_proton | yay for ditching MFC :) |
| 19:21:24 | patlabor221 | it's not realy needed now that the world class handles all the doc stuff |
| 19:21:30 | patlabor221 | I am pondering MDI tho. |
| 19:24:03 | PerfectCell | GL.glEnable(GL.GL_FOG); |
| 19:24:03 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogfv(GL.GL_FOG_COLOR, new float[]{1,1,1,0}); |
| 19:24:03 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogf(GL.GL_FOG_START, 1); |
| 19:24:03 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogf(GL.GL_FOG_END, 0); |
| 19:24:05 | captain_proton | MDI is useless IMO |
| 19:24:10 | captain_proton | at least for this |
| 19:24:21 | patlabor221 | that is what I am pondering |
| 19:24:21 | PerfectCell | i see only a white screen now , whats wrong? |
| 19:24:24 | captain_proton | if they want multiple bzs open, they can run multiple copies of bzedit :) |
| 19:24:36 | patlabor221 | ahh but no copy and paste |
| 19:24:49 | captain_proton | not if you use a real clipboard |
| 19:25:10 | patlabor221 | yeah i can just shove it in there |
| 19:25:12 | mandy | hey peoples |
| 19:25:22 | patlabor221 | cell, shouldn't the start be closer then the end? |
| 19:25:23 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:26:21 | captain_proton | i was gonna make cut/copy/paste store it in the clipboard as text that could be pasted into a .bzw :) |
| 19:26:38 | patlabor221 | that would be the best way |
| 19:27:03 | patlabor221 | but I'm not THAT excited about working on it |
| 19:27:14 | patlabor221 | when only 3 people use the thing |
| 19:27:42 | captain_proton | a good number more use the lin version :) |
| 19:27:53 | patlabor221 | yes they do |
| 19:28:29 | patlabor221 | but I think that is' not becasue of the editors features or faults |
| 19:28:49 | patlabor221 | I wonder what the BZ usage stats are |
| 19:28:53 | patlabor221 | OS wise |
| 19:30:58 | captain_proton | wheee |
| 19:31:02 | captain_proton | this interface is so secksy |
| 19:37:18 | PerfectCell | why the hell does the shitty fog not work |
| 19:37:53 | patlabor221 | does blending have to be enabled? |
| 19:38:15 | captain_proton | GL_FOG has to be enabled... |
| 19:39:17 | patlabor221 | he did that |
| 19:39:30 | captain_proton | i noticed |
| 19:39:52 | PerfectCell | GL.glEnable(GL.GL_FOG); |
| 19:39:52 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogi(GL.GL_FOG_MODE, (int)GL.GL_EXP2); |
| 19:39:52 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogfv(GL.GL_FOG_COLOR, new float[]{0,0,1,1}); |
| 19:39:52 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogf(GL.GL_FOG_START, 0); |
| 19:39:52 | PerfectCell | GL.glFogf(GL.GL_FOG_END, 10000); |
| 19:40:04 | patlabor221 | perhpas the C# gl wraper is not complete |
| 19:40:06 | PerfectCell | screen is blue |
| 19:40:21 | patlabor221 | then that is your fog |
| 19:40:22 | PerfectCell | so it works, but not correct |
| 19:40:24 | patlabor221 | it's blue |
| 19:40:39 | PerfectCell | but i cant see anything expect blue |
| 19:40:46 | patlabor221 | grabs the bluebook |
| 19:41:24 | PerfectCell | i try onother density then 1,0 |
| 19:42:04 | patlabor221 | also try seting GL_FOG_MODE, GL_LINEAR |
| 19:42:25 | PerfectCell | k, i try |
| 19:42:43 | patlabor221 | GL_FOG_HINT GL_NICEST |
| 19:42:47 | patlabor221 | also |
| 19:43:14 | patlabor221 | that's what they do in the red book example |
| 19:43:14 | PerfectCell | wowzi GL_LINEAR works, cool |
| 19:43:43 | captain_proton | Glib::ustring is cool =) |
| 19:43:45 | PerfectCell | but GL_EXP would be nicer, i suppose? |
| 19:43:49 | patlabor221 | that sets the fog function |
| 19:44:27 | PerfectCell | blue fog looks cool |
| 19:44:52 | patlabor221 | there are 2 modes GL_LINEAR GL_EXP and GL_EXP2 |
| 19:44:57 | PerfectCell | gives more depth to the scene |
| 19:44:59 | patlabor221 | sorry 3 modes |
| 19:45:05 | PerfectCell | yes i know |
| 19:45:37 | PerfectCell | GL_EXP and GL_EXP2 do not work for me, or i just do something wrong |
| 19:45:37 | patlabor221 | wonder what the default is suposed to be |
| 19:46:16 | captain_proton | default is linear (i think) but exp or exp2 look nicer |
| 19:46:42 | patlabor221 | no exp is the defualt |
| 19:46:56 | patlabor221 | least that's what da book says |
| 19:47:35 | captain_proton | of course the best is z-based :) |
| 19:48:49 | captain_proton | whats in your View menu? |
| 19:50:06 | PerfectCell | bzfrag uses stencil shadows but only for the hoovertanks, i quess not for static geometry? |
| 19:50:14 | PerfectCell | bzfrank |
| 19:52:56 | patlabor221 | toolbar status bar, grid, and move to selection |
| 19:54:56 | PerfectCell | so here is my blue linear fog snap: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/ttbluefog.jpg |
| 19:56:37 | PerfectCell | it looks much better in motion, though |
| 19:59:55 | patlabor221 | yup that's secene fog |
| 20:00:02 | scanline | is back (gone 01:18:18) |
| 20:00:08 | patlabor221 | now volumetric fog, that's the shit. |
| 20:00:28 | PerfectCell | why, is it that difficult? |
| 20:00:58 | patlabor221 | there isn't anything in GL to do it |
| 20:01:06 | patlabor221 | so you have to come up witht something yourself |
| 20:01:12 | patlabor221 | you define fog in areas |
| 20:01:17 | PerfectCell | i handeled PaulNettes Sphere Ellipsoid collision code, that was really difficult |
| 20:01:26 | patlabor221 | like filling up a valley |
| 20:01:32 | patlabor221 | or rolling over hills |
| 20:01:34 | PerfectCell | ah k |
| 20:04:27 | patlabor221 | so when do we get to try out your little app? |
| 20:04:35 | PerfectCell | what i am really afraid of is the lightmapping stuff, the genaration of lightmaps, but more the problem of sticking it all together into larger maps to avoid to many ogl texture bindings |
| 20:05:03 | patlabor221 | that can be an interesting issue |
| 20:05:24 | patlabor221 | you could do vertex based light maps |
| 20:05:26 | PerfectCell | patlabor221: to be sure, i cannot tell now |
| 20:05:42 | patlabor221 | just precomput vertex colors |
| 20:05:47 | PerfectCell | so use gl ColerMaterial |
| 20:05:48 | patlabor221 | dosn't give shadows tho |
| 20:05:50 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:05:52 | patlabor221 | it's simple |
| 20:05:54 | patlabor221 | and fast |
| 20:06:05 | PerfectCell | and does it look good? |
| 20:06:06 | patlabor221 | can look like crap on large polys |
| 20:06:15 | PerfectCell | i use large triangles |
| 20:06:16 | patlabor221 | depends on your teseleation |
| 20:06:20 | patlabor221 | then no it won't |
| 20:06:28 | PerfectCell | i thought so |
| 20:06:34 | patlabor221 | quake 1 uesed lightmaps |
| 20:06:46 | patlabor221 | as do a large number of modern games |
| 20:07:03 | PerfectCell | there is another problem, iwould need a third texture pass |
| 20:07:24 | patlabor221 | use the arb multitexture extension |
| 20:07:55 | PerfectCell | is 8bit per pixel enough for lightmaps |
| 20:09:03 | PerfectCell | yes arb is supported @ geforce 2 Mx400 :), but pixel shader not :(, so i cant do phong shading |
| 20:10:44 | PerfectCell | how much overhead is neccessary for stencil shadows? |
| 20:14:56 | patlabor221 | yes 8 is enought |
| 20:15:12 | patlabor221 | that's why I say MX is crap |
| 20:15:26 | patlabor221 | I don't know depends on if you have hardware stensil |
| 20:16:03 | mandy | cha cha cha |
| 20:16:06 | PerfectCell | i lloked at the zelda 9 video at nintendo.com, and it looks fantastic, then i looked at metroid prime and it was even more incredible, i wonder if the nintendo gyus use a third party or inhouse 3d engine |
| 20:16:12 | PerfectCell | i lloked at the zelda 9 video at nintendo.com, and it looks fantastic, then i looked at metroid prime and it was even more incredible, i wonder if the nintendo gyus use a third party or inhouse 3d engine |
| 20:16:22 | PerfectCell | sorry |
| 20:17:46 | PerfectCell | i wonder when a gamecube emulator will be available |
| 20:20:45 | bzdoug_ | woohoo! |
| 20:21:02 | bzdoug_ | I got me a lcd text display hooked up to winamp... |
| 20:21:07 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:21:37 | bzdoug_ | has a equalizer, title, and song time... |
| 20:21:39 | bzdoug_ | very neat |
| 20:21:52 | PerfectCell | sometimes i have a problem with the get/set methods of a class, its hard to decide if u should return the private member reference or just a reference of a copy of the private member/field object |
| 20:22:19 | PerfectCell | there seems to be no real good solution for this |
| 20:22:33 | bzdoug_ | heya bzflag, patlabor221, captain_proton, cell |
| 20:23:42 | PerfectCell | and i also hate it that u cannot overload the *=,+= and so on operators in c# |
| 20:23:56 | captain_proton | there's a simple solution :) |
| 20:24:03 | captain_proton | use C++ <grin> |
| 20:24:33 | bzdoug_ | problem I need to put lcd in a box, and get a real cable for it |
| 20:25:36 | PerfectCell | hm, currently im so weak at c++, |
| 20:25:44 | sussudio | can i make upside down pyramids? |
| 20:25:53 | captain_proton | shouldn't be able to |
| 20:26:02 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:26:03 | sussudio | bummer |
| 20:26:08 | bzdoug_ | cant you make a - something? |
| 20:26:08 | captain_proton | perhaps if the height is negative |
| 20:26:11 | bzdoug_ | and do it? |
| 20:26:13 | bryjen | negative Z size sorta does thats |
| 20:26:14 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:26:15 | sussudio | hm |
| 20:26:21 | captain_proton | but it will wreak havoc with collision detection |
| 20:26:31 | bryjen | think it does funny stuff with the coll detect tho |
| 20:26:47 | bryjen | uh, yeah, what c_p said |
| 20:27:29 | bryjen | there's an echo in here. And its me :) |
| 20:28:04 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 20:28:14 | bzdoug_ | great minds think alike |
| 20:28:21 | captain_proton | bzedit's new interface is gonna give patlabor221 3rd degree burns on the rump :) |
| 20:28:35 | patlabor221 | that would be if I cared |
| 20:28:41 | captain_proton | haha |
| 20:28:45 | captain_proton | you care |
| 20:28:52 | Chestal | Cell: you can't overload *=? How does it work then? |
| 20:29:02 | bryjen | new as in working on, or available now ? |
| 20:29:07 | bzdoug_ | if captain_proton would port it, pat could care less |
| 20:29:08 | captain_proton | new as in working on |
| 20:29:16 | captain_proton | 2.1 was me getting familiar with gnome2 |
| 20:29:20 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:29:28 | bzdoug_ | and now your gonna remove it? |
| 20:29:32 | captain_proton | this next version is gonna be me using gnome2 to its fullest :) |
| 20:29:36 | PerfectCell | Chestal:U use a method |
| 20:29:51 | patlabor221 | I do? |
| 20:29:51 | Chestal | hmm, bu I though c# would do operator overloading? |
| 20:29:55 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:30:05 | Chestal | so, it does not? |
| 20:30:05 | bzdoug_ | could'nt care less |
| 20:30:31 | Chestal | when I use cdrecord withotu any specific parameters, it's single-session only? I cannot add another session then? |
| 20:30:39 | captain_proton | patlabor221: you're gonna want to figure out how to do this same thing in windows <grin> |
| 20:30:41 | PerfectCell | it does except for the assignment operators like =,*=,*= ... |
| 20:30:53 | Chestal | Cell: hmm, sounds silly |
| 20:31:07 | bryjen | Chestal: -multi ? But maybe you have to do that on the 1st one too ? |
| 20:31:20 | Chestal | bryjen: that's what I am asking, I never di dit |
| 20:31:21 | PerfectCell | So i could write :Vector = Matrix1 * Vector1; |
| 20:31:36 | Chestal | but this will create a new object |
| 20:31:41 | bzdoug_ | wonders if he could solder a LPT connector to 15 wires without toasting his LCD |
| 20:31:41 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 20:31:50 | patlabor221 | cap: I could get all .net interface on ya |
| 20:31:56 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 20:32:00 | patlabor221 | and skins and stuff |
| 20:32:14 | bzdoug_ | SKINS? |
| 20:32:15 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 20:32:16 | Chestal | without taking a too deep look at c#, it seems to have weird value / reference semantcs, just liek java |
| 20:32:35 | Chestal | althogh this probably makes lots of things about the language easier |
| 20:32:51 | bryjen | Chestal: that man pages says you need -multi on ALL sessions of a multi session disc, so I always use it. |
| 20:32:57 | Chestal | oh wel, I guess I'll not be addign subtitles to th movie then |
| 20:33:00 | PerfectCell | structs are value types and calsses instaces are refernce types |
| 20:33:02 | scanline | is away: playing Unreal Tournament, bbl |
| 20:33:23 | bzdoug_ | oh yea UT costs 10 bucks at walmart |
| 20:33:42 | Chestal | ... he puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars... |
| 20:33:49 | bzdoug_ | wonders why walmart does not sell LCD panels |
| 20:33:55 | captain_proton | patlabor221: skins how? |
| 20:34:03 | bryjen | and BZFlag costs $0. so what. |
| 20:34:20 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 20:34:32 | bzdoug_ | AA costs 0 too |
| 20:35:12 | | jzaun was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 59 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: yah its one of my all time fav movies [Fri Sep 13 18:35:41 2002] |
| 20:35:12 | bryjen | ibot: seen jzaun ? |
| 20:35:18 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:35:29 | | bzflag was last seen on #openzaurus 41 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: "make sharprom;sudo make sharproot;make rom-hancomsheet" [Fri Sep 13 20:54:25 2002] |
| 20:35:29 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen bzflag |
| 20:35:40 | bzdoug_ | ok... |
| 20:35:46 | | me was last seen on #zaurus 30 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: I havent seen anything [Wed Aug 14 13:49:09 2002] |
| 20:35:46 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen me |
| 20:35:48 | jzaun | Hey bryjen |
| 20:35:51 | jzaun | I'm here |
| 20:35:57 | | jzaun was last seen on #bzflag 6 seconds ago, saying: I'm here [Fri Sep 13 21:35:51 2002] |
| 20:35:57 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen jzaun |
| 20:36:02 | bzdoug_ | hey jzaun! |
| 20:36:07 | jzaun | just in the other room watchin DUNE |
| 20:36:16 | jzaun | hey bzdoug_ |
| 20:36:44 | bryjen | jzaun: are you running some kind of server status program ? i've got a lot of accesses in my server log from jzaun.com |
| 20:36:53 | bzdoug_ | bryjen, yup |
| 20:36:55 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:36:56 | jzaun | bryjen: yah |
| 20:37:01 | bzdoug_ | stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:37:05 | jzaun | bryjen: http://stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:37:25 | | Since Mon Sep 9 22:33:33 2002, there have been 141 modifications and 664 questions. I have been awake for 3 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes, 52 seconds this session, and currently reference 84297 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 20:37:25 | bzdoug_ | ibot stats is <reply> http://stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:37:31 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:37:42 | patlabor221 | cap: SetWindowRegon and MW_OWNERDRAWN |
| 20:38:01 | | Since Mon Sep 9 22:33:33 2002, there have been 141 modifications and 665 questions. I have been awake for 3 days, 23 hours, 4 minutes, 28 seconds this session, and currently reference 84297 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 20:38:01 | bzdoug_ | ibot stats_ is <reply> http://stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:38:03 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 20:38:04 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ? |
| 20:38:09 | jzaun | bryjen: I'll be adding a means for server admin to exclude there servers if you want I can exclude it now for you |
| 20:38:10 | captain_proton | explain what you mean by it |
| 20:38:41 | jzaun | bryjen: though I would rather not have to as it will mean the stats are not for all public serers |
| 20:38:53 | bzdoug_ | how often does it check? |
| 20:38:54 | bryjen | its OK . just curious. a hit a minute for the duration of uptime. |
| 20:39:12 | jzaun | Should be quick hits and not alot of bandwith |
| 20:39:21 | bryjen | paranoia about haxors and skidiots |
| 20:39:30 | jzaun | just getting player stats |
| 20:39:49 | | bzdoug_? |
| 20:39:49 | bzdoug_ | ibot? |
| 20:39:53 | jzaun | none of that from me... I will be posting the script used for server admin to take a look at |
| 20:41:04 | patlabor221 | cap: I can overide the standar OS stuff |
| 20:41:14 | patlabor221 | and draw whatever I want |
| 20:41:37 | captain_proton | oh eww |
| 20:41:56 | patlabor221 | or I can just replace the window parts |
| 20:42:04 | patlabor221 | it's not that bad |
| 20:42:15 | jzaun | ah well back to dune, just about an hour left, on the 3rd DVD |
| 20:42:40 | patlabor221 | but I am more intersted in features the slickness |
| 20:43:08 | patlabor221 | I could make it an OLE object, so you could edit worlds in excell :) |
| 20:43:18 | PerfectCell | someone has tried the worldcraft\valve hammer editor, and find it useful? |
| 20:43:29 | patlabor221 | I love worldcraft |
| 20:43:43 | patlabor221 | UnrealEd is good too |
| 20:43:46 | PerfectCell | why?, editing is bad |
| 20:43:46 | captain_proton | a completely rearrangable workspace is just slickness and not a feature? |
| 20:44:05 | patlabor221 | well its an idirect feature |
| 20:44:13 | patlabor221 | I am not saying it's not nice and all |
| 20:44:15 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 20:44:24 | captain_proton | but i do agree |
| 20:44:32 | captain_proton | it is very slick and sexy :) |
| 20:44:40 | patlabor221 | but I think that for imediate use I think that groups would be more of a used feature. |
| 20:44:43 | bzdoug_ | rolls his eyes |
| 20:44:52 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 20:45:19 | patlabor221 | my plugins will roxor the boxors |
| 20:45:29 | | so damn sexy |
| 20:45:29 | mandy | ibot mandy? |
| 20:45:31 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 20:45:37 | mandy | :oP |
| 20:45:51 | Chestal | anybody watched 'Signs'? Is it good? |
| 20:46:00 | bzdoug_ | seen the previews |
| 20:46:02 | captain_proton | the first 80% of it was excellent |
| 20:46:03 | mandy | oh i want to see that |
| 20:46:10 | captain_proton | the rest sucked BAAAAD |
| 20:46:12 | bzdoug_ | sounds boorin |
| 20:46:23 | Chestal | saw the last 30 minute sof Barton Fink yesterday, too bad I missed the rest. That's a great movie |
| 20:46:25 | captain_proton | most of it was about people reacting to the possibility of aliens |
| 20:46:31 | captain_proton | then they show them, which ruins it |
| 20:46:35 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:46:41 | bzdoug_ | what did they look like? |
| 20:46:49 | bzdoug_ | big slimy things? |
| 20:46:58 | bzdoug_ | or green buys with one eye? |
| 20:47:45 | PerfectCell | who is mandy? |
| 20:47:54 | patlabor221 | who is cell? |
| 20:48:02 | captain_proton | thin skinny grey |
| 20:48:03 | patlabor221 | who realy is any of us |
| 20:48:04 | mandy | huh? |
| 20:48:18 | mandy | i am mandy |
| 20:48:40 | patlabor221 | hear her roar. |
| 20:48:50 | bzdoug_ | ducks |
| 20:48:50 | mandy | meows |
| 20:48:50 | PerfectCell | ah, k where is the phot of u? |
| 20:48:54 | bzdoug_ | whew |
| 20:48:54 | mandy | lol |
| 20:49:05 | mandy | ask ruudi |
| 20:49:05 | bzdoug_ | got past that one |
| 20:49:08 | mandy | dayum |
| 20:49:13 | bzdoug_ | ruddi? |
| 20:49:17 | bzdoug_ | woo |
| 20:49:23 | bzdoug_ | winamp crashed |
| 20:49:40 | patlabor221 | use winamp 3 it kicks a finite amount of ass |
| 20:50:13 | bryjen | finite ? what's the unit of measure for asses ? |
| 20:50:21 | patlabor221 | aspinch |
| 20:50:29 | patlabor221 | 25 aspinches to a buttload |
| 20:50:39 | Chestal | stragely, ogg123 crashes for me a dozen times a day on my office PC, but never here at home |
| 20:50:41 | bzdoug_ | it doeS? |
| 20:51:00 | bzdoug_ | winamp 3 is terrible |
| 20:51:05 | bzdoug_ | slow |
| 20:51:08 | bryjen | i was about to ask about the a**load quickdraw :) |
| 20:51:09 | bzdoug_ | skins are slow |
| 20:51:26 | patlabor221 | slow? |
| 20:51:33 | patlabor221 | works the same as 2 for me |
| 20:51:47 | patlabor221 | even wiht the cool skins and transperancy |
| 20:51:59 | bzdoug_ | oh wiiierd, when I turn the LCD off, the computer puts out enuf power to keep it barely running |
| 20:52:10 | patlabor221 | and the music libary and mutliple playlists. it's sweet |
| 20:52:34 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 20:52:36 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 20:52:38 | mandy | anybody that wants my pic just ask ruudi |
| 20:52:46 | bzdoug_ | I like the play lists and stuff |
| 20:52:47 | bryjen | patlabor221: you prolly have a PC from this decade, unlike some of us |
| 20:52:50 | bzdoug_ | but it crashes |
| 20:53:20 | Chestal | doe sit finally come with an ogg vorbis decoder? |
| 20:53:25 | bzdoug_ | bryjen: my PCjr wont work? |
| 20:53:31 | patlabor221 | yeah has since 2.8 something |
| 20:53:32 | bzdoug_ | sit? |
| 20:53:48 | patlabor221 | yes I have a computer that's less then 6 months old |
| 20:53:55 | patlabor221 | and dual GF4's |
| 20:54:04 | patlabor221 | well one's a MX so it' don't count |
| 20:54:22 | bryjen | bzdoug_: no. and for the last time, spend some money for the last 128K of RAM for it! |
| 20:54:37 | captain_proton | i want a mobo with 2 agp slots |
| 20:54:47 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 20:54:54 | bzdoug_ | is that possible? |
| 20:54:58 | bzdoug_ | 2 AGP slots? |
| 20:55:03 | bzdoug_ | THAT would be cool |
| 20:55:06 | patlabor221 | addressing would be wierd |
| 20:55:13 | bryjen | Yipe! two headed monsters |
| 20:55:13 | PerfectCell | i dont want to be an animal any more |
| 20:55:13 | bzdoug_ | like one for each MP? |
| 20:55:16 | patlabor221 | but it may be |
| 20:55:37 | patlabor221 | usualy you just get a dual head card |
| 20:55:49 | patlabor221 | most of the GF4 TI's can go dual head |
| 20:55:53 | patlabor221 | with an adapter |
| 20:55:58 | bzdoug_ | dual athlon XP with dual AGP and dual GF4ti4600 with 4 monitors |
| 20:56:18 | patlabor221 | 2 processors are not required |
| 20:56:22 | bzdoug_ | imagines a beowulf clusters of these |
| 20:56:24 | patlabor221 | it's not like they have there own ram |
| 20:56:24 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 20:56:27 | bryjen | Ack. 2 slots x 2 outputs/card = 4 headed beasties...... scarier and scarier |
| 20:56:30 | patlabor221 | ohh shut up with that |
| 20:56:30 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:56:38 | bzdoug_ | bryjen: nope |
| 20:56:39 | patlabor221 | you can do that now with an AGP and a PCI |
| 20:56:59 | bzdoug_ | bryjen: 2 per card plus have 6 PCI cards with dual output as well |
| 20:57:01 | patlabor221 | that's how I run 2 cards |
| 20:57:03 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:57:11 | patlabor221 | yeah 7cards |
| 20:57:15 | bzdoug_ | patlabor: why not just use the one card? |
| 20:57:29 | patlabor221 | because 1) we don't have dual head cards |
| 20:57:33 | patlabor221 | 2) it's slower |
| 20:57:35 | bryjen | that many cards on one bus = bandwidth overload methinks. |
| 20:57:40 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:57:48 | patlabor221 | 3) I can run the monitors at difrent resoulutions |
| 20:57:50 | bzdoug_ | bryjen: get a good mobo |
| 20:57:56 | bzdoug_ | patlabor: cool |
| 20:58:08 | patlabor221 | we have some dual heders here |
| 20:58:10 | Chestal | number 3 is possible with a single card, too, no? |
| 20:58:21 | bzdoug_ | chestal: maybe |
| 20:58:22 | patlabor221 | depends on the drivers |
| 20:58:30 | bzdoug_ | more like 2 + TV |
| 20:58:33 | Chestal | my G400 does it flawlaessly at least |
| 20:58:38 | bryjen | nah. PCI bus bandwidth ~ 133 MBps, I'd imaging 6 vid cards running 2 monitors each might exceed that |
| 20:58:39 | bzdoug_ | but some do support it |
| 20:58:44 | Chestal | some restrictions on the 2nd head though |
| 20:58:49 | patlabor221 | yeah some do |
| 20:58:51 | bzdoug_ | bryjen: do ya think so? |
| 20:58:53 | patlabor221 | nvidias latest do |
| 20:58:55 | patlabor221 | they used to not |
| 20:59:03 | patlabor221 | and the older matoxes didn't |
| 20:59:05 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:59:14 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:59:25 | patlabor221 | but still it does slow down the performance as the singe chip needs to run both displays |
| 20:59:29 | bzdoug_ | but 7+ monitors would be over kill |
| 20:59:39 | patlabor221 | it's realy cool when I make a context on each screen |
| 20:59:49 | bzdoug_ | patlabor:? |
| 20:59:54 | patlabor221 | a GL context |
| 20:59:59 | Chestal | I only use my secondary display for TV output anyw<ya |
| 21:00:16 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:00:19 | patlabor221 | I put our app on one then the debuger on the other |
| 21:00:23 | patlabor221 | works realy well |
| 21:00:25 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 21:00:35 | Chestal | I need more mem |
| 21:00:43 | patlabor221 | don't we all |
| 21:00:48 | bzdoug_ | he |
| 21:00:49 | bzdoug_ | h |
| 21:00:56 | | somebody said ram was Random Access Memory (just like a desktop), not to be confused with Flash. RAM goes away on reset (or any time it loses power), flash stays forever. or http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/columns/romvram.asp |
| 21:00:56 | bzdoug_ | ibot ram |
| 21:01:25 | Chestal | uh, it links to the evil empire |
| 21:01:32 | patlabor221 | hey scanline. |
| 21:01:36 | | it has been said that M$ is the father of satan |
| 21:01:36 | Chestal | ibot, M$ |
| 21:01:47 | bryjen | *father* ? |
| 21:01:50 | bzdoug_ | hmm, microsoft... |
| 21:01:53 | patlabor221 | can the zarus work with USB devices? |
| 21:02:05 | | zaurus is probably at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard and the hidden one is beneath the email key |
| 21:02:05 | bzdoug_ | ibot zaurus? |
| 21:02:13 | bzdoug_ | ok.... |
| 21:02:13 | scanline | hi patlabor221 |
| 21:02:14 | patlabor221 | doug stop it |
| 21:02:18 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 21:02:27 | patlabor221 | can the zaurus work with external USB devices? |
| 21:02:33 | patlabor221 | like USB to serial stuff? |
| 21:02:43 | scanline | patlabor221: the zaurus only has a USB slave, not a master, so no |
| 21:02:50 | patlabor221 | damn |
| 21:02:55 | scanline | patlabor221: the only expansion is CF and SD/MMC cards |
| 21:03:09 | scanline | they do have serial ports in the form of SD cards |
| 21:03:09 | bzdoug_ | no CF usb cards? |
| 21:03:17 | patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 21:03:18 | scanline | bzdoug_: not that I know of |
| 21:03:20 | patlabor221 | how many ports? |
| 21:03:22 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 21:03:22 | patlabor221 | we need 2 |
| 21:03:32 | scanline | patlabor221: I dunno. I'm not sure if there are even linux drivers for them |
| 21:03:42 | patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 21:03:53 | scanline | patlabor221: if you just need a serial port, the zaurus has one on the docking connector |
| 21:04:02 | patlabor221 | we need 2 |
| 21:04:08 | PerfectCell | cool i juse a mobeus plane as world |
| 21:04:09 | scanline | there might be other expansion too |
| 21:04:22 | patlabor221 | it will be on a boat and needs to talk to a wind speed and GPS |
| 21:04:28 | bzdoug_ | cell: how soon will you game be done? |
| 21:04:44 | patlabor221 | custom software that plots the courses for races |
| 21:04:58 | bzdoug_ | pat: use a basicX chip |
| 21:05:02 | PerfectCell | bzdoug_:in one month maybe |
| 21:05:07 | bzdoug_ | it has like 18 serial ports |
| 21:05:15 | bzdoug_ | cell: free? |
| 21:05:16 | scanline | heh, basicX.... |
| 21:05:19 | patlabor221 | doug: do they have screens and run c code? |
| 21:05:22 | PerfectCell | sure free |
| 21:05:32 | bzdoug_ | I have a basicx: chip here, runs great |
| 21:05:42 | bzdoug_ | pat: hook up a LCD to it |
| 21:05:47 | bzdoug_ | but no c code |
| 21:05:52 | patlabor221 | right now it's all done on a laptop |
| 21:05:55 | bzdoug_ | use a better chip for that |
| 21:05:58 | patlabor221 | they are just trying to get smaller |
| 21:06:01 | scanline | bzdoug_: how does that compare to a basic stamp? |
| 21:06:07 | bzdoug_ | like a chipmunk |
| 21:06:14 | bzdoug_ | scanline: MUCH better |
| 21:06:16 | bzdoug_ | faster |
| 21:06:20 | PerfectCell | it will have a bunch of neat stuff |
| 21:06:22 | bzdoug_ | but harder to program |
| 21:06:34 | scanline | bzdoug_: I hate using basic for microcontrollers though... asm is much better |
| 21:06:35 | bzdoug_ | has um, 8 A/D converters |
| 21:06:39 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:06:48 | bzdoug_ | but its great for something to learn one |
| 21:06:53 | bzdoug_ | after a basicstamp |
| 21:07:00 | bzdoug_ | I got the LCD to run on it today |
| 21:07:06 | scanline | HD44780? |
| 21:07:10 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:07:20 | bzdoug_ | the someone hooked up to my laptop.... |
| 21:07:21 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:07:28 | bzdoug_ | running winamp eq.. |
| 21:07:29 | bzdoug_ | .:) |
| 21:07:43 | bzdoug_ | the special chip died I think... |
| 21:08:04 | bzdoug_ | so no more LCD on my basicX until I get a new one |
| 21:08:15 | scanline | special chip? |
| 21:08:15 | bzdoug_ | its like 10 cents per chip too.... |
| 21:08:22 | bzdoug_ | not really special |
| 21:08:25 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:08:32 | scanline | what chip though... |
| 21:08:35 | bzdoug_ | a parralel register or something |
| 21:08:54 | bzdoug_ | something so I can get 3 wires to the chip, and 9 wires to the LCD |
| 21:08:55 | scanline | shift register? |
| 21:08:59 | scanline | yeah, that's it |
| 21:08:59 | bzdoug_ | yea! |
| 21:09:25 | bzdoug_ | been doing that all day |
| 21:09:26 | mandy | yeah |
| 21:09:33 | bzdoug_ | fooling around on the basicx |
| 21:09:53 | patlabor221 | they kick you outa school? |
| 21:10:01 | scanline | I learned about microcontrollers with a basic stamp, but quickly got annoyed with them and started programming in assembly (and a little C) on PICs |
| 21:13:35 | doughecka | winamp froze up on me |
| 21:13:50 | scanline | silly OS, windows is for kids |
| 21:13:54 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:14:01 | doughecka | did you say something? |
| 21:14:09 | patlabor221 | he is a kid |
| 21:14:10 | scanline | <scanline> I learned about microcontrollers with a basic stamp, but quickly got annoyed with them and started programming in assembly (and a little C) on PICs |
| 21:14:12 | scanline | just that |
| 21:14:33 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:14:38 | PerfectCell | i think metriod prime uses SLERP for character animation, it llos so natural/spherical |
| 21:14:59 | doughecka | well, pics are cheap, but you need a programmer and stuff to do it |
| 21:15:06 | patlabor221 | slerps are common for quat blends |
| 21:15:22 | patlabor221 | depends on how they did there anim, skelital or vertex |
| 21:15:26 | patlabor221 | proalby skepital |
| 21:15:31 | scanline | doughecka: some of them... the serially programmable pics (like the '16F84) can hook almost directly up to a parallel or serial port |
| 21:15:33 | patlabor221 | skelital |
| 21:15:34 | PerfectCell | yes, |
| 21:15:40 | doughecka | really? |
| 21:15:42 | scanline | doughecka: i've heard that the Atmel AVRs are even easier to program, but haven't tried them |
| 21:15:46 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:15:53 | doughecka | the masicx has a amtel chip in it |
| 21:15:54 | doughecka | er |
| 21:15:58 | doughecka | basicX^ |
| 21:16:35 | doughecka | er |
| 21:16:41 | doughecka | atmel* |
| 21:17:31 | doughecka | k |
| 21:18:13 | bzdoug_ | kaboom |
| 21:18:27 | bzdoug_ | hmm, how easy are pics to program? |
| 21:18:51 | bzdoug_ | PICs* |
| 21:18:58 | scanline | pretty easy.. there are some C compilers, but the assembly language is easy enough that I usually just use that |
| 21:19:09 | bzdoug_ | oh... |
| 21:19:16 | bzdoug_ | asm is easy? |
| 21:19:24 | bzdoug_ | is there anyother compilers out? |
| 21:19:45 | bzdoug_ | like basic sort compilers, or easy to learn types? |
| 21:19:50 | scanline | I know there are a bunch of compilers, just haven't looked into them much. |
| 21:19:52 | scanline | there is a basic compiler |
| 21:19:59 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 21:20:00 | scanline | the assembly language really is easy though |
| 21:20:05 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:20:07 | bzdoug_ | I here it is |
| 21:20:09 | PerfectCell | http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/metroid_prime/e3_metroidprime_gcn_trailer.wmv |
| 21:20:11 | bzdoug_ | hear* |
| 21:20:16 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:20:58 | bzdoug_ | scan: do you have a LCD on your comp? |
| 21:21:02 | scanline | yes |
| 21:21:16 | bzdoug_ | hmm, parallel prt? |
| 21:21:24 | scanline | no, custom interface |
| 21:22:00 | bzdoug_ | how? |
| 21:22:03 | bzdoug_ | USB? |
| 21:22:09 | bzdoug_ | pic? serial? |
| 21:22:30 | bzdoug_ | firewire? |
| 21:22:31 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 21:22:50 | scanline | bzdoug_: right now it's serial, will be moving to USB as soon as I write firmware for my new LED/LCD/VFD controller board |
| 21:23:04 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 21:23:06 | scanline | bzdoug_: this is what I've got right now- http://blinkenlights.sf.net/ |
| 21:23:11 | bzdoug_ | VFD? |
| 21:23:17 | scanline | vacuum flourescent display |
| 21:23:19 | PerfectCell | and the zelda 9 trailer with conan the barbarian sound |
| 21:23:22 | PerfectCell | http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/zelda-gcn/e3_zelda_gcn_trailer.wmv |
| 21:23:27 | bzdoug_ | ah\ |
| 21:23:31 | scanline | high voltage vacuum tube type of display, usually bright green on black |
| 21:23:39 | scanline | I got a couple on sale |
| 21:24:03 | strayer | ......has anyone a geforce3 TI200?!? |
| 21:24:11 | scanline | strayer: that's what I have |
| 21:24:14 | bzdoug_ | how much? |
| 21:24:23 | scanline | bzdoug_: $25 each I think |
| 21:24:29 | scanline | bzdoug_: awesome price for a 20x2 VFD |
| 21:24:33 | strayer | scanline: ...which OS du U have? |
| 21:24:41 | scanline | strayer: linux 2.4.19 |
| 21:24:46 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 21:24:59 | bzdoug_ | scan: hooks up like a regular LCD? |
| 21:25:21 | strayer | scanline: oh...ok, but i have problems with drivers for windows...hehe |
| 21:25:24 | scanline | bzdoug_: it's really cool.. you can set jumpers so it either uses its own interface, emulates a HD44780 LCD, or uses a serial port |
| 21:25:44 | bzdoug_ | cool! |
| 21:25:51 | scanline | they might still have some at bgmicro.com |
| 21:25:55 | bzdoug_ | serial directly? |
| 21:25:58 | bzdoug_ | neat |
| 21:26:01 | scanline | yup! |
| 21:26:06 | scanline | adjustable baud rate too |
| 21:26:15 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:26:24 | bzdoug_ | how is the PS? |
| 21:26:28 | scanline | I need to finish the firmware for that LCD/VFD/LED controller and write a picogui driver for it =) |
| 21:26:30 | bzdoug_ | 5 volt? |
| 21:26:34 | scanline | bzdoug_: yes |
| 21:26:34 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 21:26:41 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 21:26:46 | bzdoug_ | I might just get one... |
| 21:26:47 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:27:01 | scanline | it generates all its own weird voltages.. 5v in, but don't touch the circuit board while it's on :) |
| 21:27:12 | bzdoug_ | anything with serial costs over 50 |
| 21:27:13 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 21:27:16 | bzdoug_ | backlight> |
| 21:27:17 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 21:27:24 | scanline | no, VFDs use high voltage |
| 21:27:30 | scanline | they're like flourescent lights |
| 21:27:34 | scanline | sort of |
| 21:27:40 | bzdoug_ | oh... |
| 21:27:42 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 21:27:47 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:28:03 | scanline | LCDs have a built-in power supply too, but -25V is a lot less dangerous than 300V :) |
| 21:28:23 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:28:27 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 21:29:13 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 21:29:31 | bzdoug_ | is away: kicking... |
| 21:43:37 | bzdoug_ | is back |
| 21:43:54 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:44:09 | bzdoug_ | anyone want 1000 plasic projects boxes? |
| 21:45:19 | bzdoug_ | scan: I dont see the VFDs on your site |
| 21:45:20 | patlabor221 | no I want a GF4 Ti4600 |
| 21:45:39 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:45:41 | bzdoug_ | I do to |
| 21:45:56 | patlabor221 | yes but I can aford one |
| 21:46:06 | bzdoug_ | but that does not fix the problem of 1000 plastic boxes |
| 21:46:38 | mandy | i gotta go |
| 21:46:46 | bzdoug_ | cya |
| 21:47:37 | patlabor221 | ebay them |
| 21:47:57 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:48:11 | bzdoug_ | yea, but I would hate to ship 1000 boxes to 100 people |
| 21:48:15 | bzdoug_ | er |
| 21:48:19 | bzdoug_ | 1000 people |
| 21:49:06 | patlabor221 | offer them in the 1000 quan |
| 21:49:33 | patlabor221 | and then ship then just to oneperson |
| 21:49:47 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:50:01 | bzdoug_ | yea, but who would buy 1000 boxes? |
| 21:50:13 | patlabor221 | somone who does a lot of projects |
| 21:50:15 | patlabor221 | a school |
| 21:50:25 | patlabor221 | an electronics place |
| 21:50:33 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:50:36 | bzdoug_ | maybe... |
| 21:50:42 | patlabor221 | someone like you obviously |
| 21:51:05 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 21:51:07 | bzdoug_ | someone gave them to me |
| 21:51:10 | bzdoug_ | or |
| 21:51:14 | patlabor221 | well how did you get them? |
| 21:51:17 | patlabor221 | you took them |
| 21:51:24 | patlabor221 | so you must have wanted them |
| 21:51:30 | bzdoug_ | someone gave them to my gradefather, and he gave them to me to get rid of them |
| 21:51:38 | bzdoug_ | grandfather* |
| 21:52:05 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:52:09 | bzdoug_ | dinner |
| 21:52:20 | bzdoug_ | is away: dinaah time |
| 21:53:37 | patlabor221 | I love being a MSDN subscriber |
| 21:54:02 | Chestal | M$ Devils Network? |
| 21:54:02 | patlabor221 | any app any time I want it |
| 21:54:23 | patlabor221 | instant access to anything they make that's nice |
| 21:54:48 | Chestal | yep, have that too, it's called warez ;-) |
| 21:55:15 | patlabor221 | yeah but I get good DL speeds and don't ahve to search IRC/FTP/ and Newsgroups |
| 21:55:22 | patlabor221 | and no cracks |
| 21:55:55 | Chestal | why do I always find french movies, grmpf |
| 21:56:19 | iLLf8d | yeah that and german |
| 21:56:30 | iLLf8d | seems those are quite prevalent |
| 21:56:42 | Chestal | German is ok :-) |
| 21:57:14 | strayer | oh..U R still able to speak german? |
| 21:57:39 | Chestal | I only do have to listen when watching a movie |
| 21:58:07 | strayer | ah...ok...much easier... ;) |
| 21:58:21 | patlabor221 | jesus they keep everything in here |
| 21:58:27 | patlabor221 | anyone want MS-Dos 5.0? |
| 21:58:42 | Chestal | hwo about windows 1.0? |
| 21:58:50 | strayer | hell...no |
| 21:58:53 | patlabor221 | lowset of that they have is 3.1 |
| 21:58:55 | Chestal | that was great |
| 21:58:59 | patlabor221 | they madea 3.2?!?! |
| 21:59:01 | strayer | XP causes trouble enough |
| 21:59:21 | iLLf8d | patlabor221: huh? windows or dos? |
| 21:59:31 | patlabor221 | how about "windows services for unix 3.0" |
| 21:59:32 | strayer | win |
| 21:59:35 | patlabor221 | windows 3.2 it says |
| 21:59:42 | iLLf8d | I had 1.0 iirc |
| 21:59:58 | Chestal | IIRC 1.0 coudl only manage two windows and those were nto allowed to overlap |
| 21:59:59 | iLLf8d | it was a pos |
| 22:00:00 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:00:13 | iLLf8d | yeah it was like a colored screen with a clock =P |
| 22:00:28 | iLLf8d | and one or 2 other things |
| 22:00:31 | patlabor221 | it had color? |
| 22:00:37 | iLLf8d | yeah I think so |
| 22:00:50 | iLLf8d | I even bought the book for it back then heh |
| 22:00:50 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 22:01:01 | patlabor221 | well I was a C64 nut back then |
| 22:01:10 | iLLf8d | my gf has it somewhere |
| 22:01:13 | patlabor221 | GeoWorks was my "OS" |
| 22:01:15 | iLLf8d | she said |
| 22:01:38 | Chestal | GeoWorks, hmm, I hardly remember htat |
| 22:01:48 | iLLf8d | I dunno what that one is |
| 22:02:05 | iLLf8d | it was a waste anyway none of my pcs had harddrives back then |
| 22:02:06 | Chestal | I had a light pen on my C64 :-) |
| 22:02:19 | patlabor221 | it was this little X like shell that had sort of an office type set of apps |
| 22:02:28 | patlabor221 | I had the mouse and 2 floppys |
| 22:02:31 | patlabor221 | and a tablet |
| 22:02:53 | patlabor221 | and a 13 inch TV for a monitor |
| 22:03:07 | patlabor221 | then I got a mac |
| 22:03:21 | Chestal | I got an AMiga 1000 |
| 22:03:35 | patlabor221 | the amigas were too expensive for me |
| 22:03:49 | patlabor221 | and they didn't have my dad's flight sim game |
| 22:03:53 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 22:03:54 | patlabor221 | so he wouldn't get one |
| 22:04:05 | iLLf8d | I only had a pc back then 8088 |
| 22:04:08 | Chestal | I even got a C compiler with my AMiga, but didn't know what to do with it |
| 22:04:18 | patlabor221 | ha |
| 22:04:30 | patlabor221 | I didn't learn C till I got metrowerks |
| 22:04:46 | Chestal | but I could do BASIC :-) |
| 22:04:47 | patlabor221 | pascal on an AppleIIc at school |
| 22:04:53 | patlabor221 | and Asembly on a VAX |
| 22:05:08 | Chestal | the 68000 assembly was quite nice |
| 22:05:22 | Chestal | I only used a VAX with VMS to connect to a MUD |
| 22:05:33 | patlabor221 | I don't remember anything about the damned vax or asembly |
| 22:05:40 | Chestal | hmm, I could check in and see if my character is still there |
| 22:06:12 | Chestal | I spent whole days in the terminal room on my vt100 which connected to a VMS machine (using a stolen account) |
| 22:06:42 | Chestal | did some onlien programmining in the mud using a line editor. Those were the days... |
| 22:06:56 | patlabor221 | I find it funny that my video card has more processing power then my first mac |
| 22:07:18 | patlabor221 | I think my PCI bus controller could out do it too |
| 22:07:26 | Chestal | your hard disk has more processing power than your mac |
| 22:07:46 | patlabor221 | no it was n 030 mac |
| 22:07:50 | patlabor221 | so it wasn't that slow |
| 22:07:57 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 22:08:03 | Chestal | with FPU and MMU |
| 22:08:07 | patlabor221 | 33 mind bogeling mhz |
| 22:08:15 | patlabor221 | yeah I put the FPU in it |
| 22:08:20 | patlabor221 | and the 030 had the internal MMU |
| 22:08:27 | patlabor221 | the 020 didn't have the mmu |
| 22:08:31 | Chestal | no such thing in my Amiga |
| 22:08:37 | Chestal | plain 68000 at 7.16 MHz I think |
| 22:08:43 | patlabor221 | ofta |
| 22:09:00 | patlabor221 | I remembery my c64 ran at 1 |
| 22:09:23 | patlabor221 | I had 16 colors tho, I was happy |
| 22:09:25 | Chestal | ye, and I think most nstructions took 1 or 2 cacles |
| 22:09:28 | Chestal | cycle, even |
| 22:09:31 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:09:51 | patlabor221 | and I had my 110 baud modem |
| 22:09:58 | patlabor221 | I was soo happy to get the 300 |
| 22:10:10 | patlabor221 | now I complain when I get less then 40k downloads |
| 22:10:27 | Chestal | I mus thav a 110 and a 1200 somewhere her |
| 22:10:40 | Chestal | then I got 2400, then 9600, then a blazing 56k |
| 22:10:48 | patlabor221 | my friend had a 1200 I was in disbeilfe |
| 22:10:54 | Chestal | used the latter up to this year |
| 22:11:12 | patlabor221 | I've thankfully had DSL for 3 years now |
| 22:11:44 | patlabor221 | I can't stand going to my parents house and watching them use the dialup |
| 22:12:37 | patlabor221 | I think my video card has more power then my laptop |
| 22:12:51 | Chestal | your video card probably has more power than your main CPU |
| 22:12:58 | Chestal | it depends on what you measure |
| 22:13:01 | patlabor221 | I dono |
| 22:13:10 | patlabor221 | if it's bus then yeah |
| 22:13:18 | patlabor221 | but just like lops |
| 22:13:24 | patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 22:13:35 | patlabor221 | is a GF4 faster then a PF 2 giger? |
| 22:13:43 | patlabor221 | P4 2 giger? |
| 22:13:50 | strayer | night.... |
| 22:14:03 | Chestal | well, they're different, hard to compare |
| 22:14:12 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:14:19 | Chestal | either one cannot beat the other on their resptice domains |
| 22:14:29 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:14:32 | Chestal | hmm, theer are some letters missing, insert where appropiate |
| 22:14:48 | Chestal | I guess I should go to bed anyway. Good night |
| 22:15:00 | patlabor221 | I remember paying $500 for 16 megs of ram |
| 22:15:16 | patlabor221 | now I am squabaling over $100 for another 512 |
| 22:15:24 | Chestal | I did that too when using OS/2 |
| 22:15:40 | patlabor221 | I had 20 megs in my mac, it was cool |
| 22:16:18 | Chestal | ok, off to dreamland |
| 22:16:30 | patlabor221 | see ya |
| 22:18:50 | jzaun | eh, thats was a great movie |
| 22:26:13 | lurgyman | eats a paper towel |
| 22:26:39 | jzaun | you must be hungry as that can't be to tasty |
| 22:26:52 | patlabor221 | soak it in bactene, makes it taste better |
| 22:26:56 | captain_proton | better than the 'blackened halibut' in the cafeteria tonight |
| 22:27:01 | lurgyman | mmm... |
| 22:27:08 | lurgyman | blackened paper towel |
| 22:27:42 | patlabor221 | yeah those college placed never seemed to have great food |
| 22:27:55 | patlabor221 | never got to live at one myelsef |
| 22:27:58 | lurgyman | doo bee dee |
| 22:28:01 | lurgyman | doo bee dee |
| 22:28:08 | patlabor221 | but been to em enough |
| 22:28:18 | lurgyman | fun on a stick, that |
| 22:29:22 | patlabor221 | wonders if the Buffy the Vampire slayer game is gonna be any good. |
| 22:29:52 | lurgyman | wonders whether the answer to that question could possible be to the affirmative |
| 22:30:09 | patlabor221 | it could be |
| 22:30:13 | patlabor221 | you never know |
| 22:30:21 | patlabor221 | it seems to have goten decent reviews |
| 22:30:27 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 22:30:36 | lurgyman | beats himself over the head with his trombone |
| 22:30:43 | lurgyman | ow |
| 22:31:19 | lurgyman | 7orange is a pretty color3 |
| 22:31:28 | lurgyman | well, it is |
| 22:32:09 | lurgyman | Ralph Wønder Llama will strike again! |
| 22:40:18 | captain_proton | transforms into SPACE COMMANDER TRAVIS |
| 22:40:35 | jzaun | Hi SPACE COMMANDER TRAVIS |
| 22:40:50 | lurgyman | notates minor 2nd keys on SPACE COMMANDER TRAVIS' head |
| 22:41:04 | captain_proton | complete with scary eye cover, bad haircut and dramatic music |
| 22:41:13 | lurgyman | and weak chin |
| 22:41:30 | lurgyman | and the hair has to be very curly |
| 22:41:54 | lurgyman | a sort of 'terminator meets bilbo' look |
| 22:42:15 | lurgyman | plus tax |
| 22:42:32 | lurgyman | on a stick |
| 22:42:34 | lurgyman | plus tax |
| 22:42:39 | lurgyman | like a fox |
| 22:43:47 | lurgyman | 1you can't read this unless you copy it0 |
| 22:44:12 | jzaun | lurgyman: not true |
| 22:44:17 | jzaun | lurgyman: its ligth grey for me |
| 22:44:28 | lurgyman | 1or select it, if the coloring system is right in xchat |
| 22:44:42 | jzaun | no need to select it either |
| 22:44:49 | lurgyman | 1apparently, other clients read it find, though |
| 22:44:55 | jzaun | :) |
| 22:45:01 | jzaun | GAIM... |
| 22:45:06 | lurgyman | 1i certainly can't |
| 22:45:07 | captain_proton | haha |
| 22:45:16 | jzaun | even get nice little graphical smiles |
| 22:46:02 | jzaun | O:-) :-D :-! :-X :'( :-[ :-* :-$ :-( =-O :-) 8-) :-/ :-P ;-) >:o |
| 22:53:35 | jzaun | Hi MrApathyCream |
| 22:53:57 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 22:54:07 | jzaun | how are you? |
| 22:54:17 | MrApathyCream | peachy |
| 22:54:26 | jzaun | glad to hear it |
| 22:54:44 | MrApathyCream | gtg |
| 22:54:51 | jzaun | bye |
| 22:55:45 | BZFrank | hi |
| 22:55:57 | jzaun | hi |
| 22:56:32 | mandy | hey |
| 22:56:37 | BZFrank | hi jzaun, mandy |
| 22:56:42 | jzaun | hey mandy |
| 22:57:04 | mandy | hey frank |
| 22:57:10 | mandy | hi jzaun |
| 22:57:14 | BZFrank | hey hey hey ;) |
| 22:58:21 | mandy | lol |
| 22:58:22 | mandy | hi hi hi |
| 23:00:41 | mandy | bleh bleh bleh |
| 23:01:11 | bzdoug_ | hey bzfrank! |
| 23:01:25 | lurgyman | hi bzfrank! |
| 23:01:32 | BZFrank | hey doug, how is life? |
| 23:01:36 | mandy | ! |
| 23:01:52 | bzdoug_ | booring |
| 23:01:55 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 23:02:09 | bzdoug_ | brb |
| 23:02:13 | mandy | lala |
| 23:02:23 | mandy | sounds like frank in popular |
| 23:02:27 | mandy | is* |
| 23:02:59 | BZFrank | hehe, doug just wants his MacOS X version, right? ;) |
| 23:03:12 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 23:03:22 | bzdoug_ | well? is it fixed yet? |
| 23:03:25 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 23:04:23 | BZFrank | nope, still fighting with the Matrox Parhelia |
| 23:04:31 | mandy | ok |
| 23:04:34 | bzdoug_ | pff |
| 23:04:35 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 23:04:43 | BZFrank | this card is nice, but the driver is &%&$"! |
| 23:04:43 | bzdoug_ | matrox? |
| 23:04:44 | mandy | hey my screen saver looks like the matrix thingy |
| 23:05:08 | bzdoug_ | a |
| 23:05:09 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:05:15 | lurgyman | uh oh |
| 23:05:19 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:05:22 | BZFrank | http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/parhelia/home.cfm |
| 23:05:22 | bzdoug_ | for the mac? |
| 23:05:25 | bzdoug_ | or PC? |
| 23:05:30 | mandy | well like u all care |
| 23:05:37 | BZFrank | nope |
| 23:05:39 | BZFrank | pc |
| 23:06:11 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:06:24 | mandy | lolz |
| 23:06:30 | BZFrank | oh, new driver on their page -> going in sucking mode |
| 23:06:31 | bzdoug_ | my windowz computer is still toast |
| 23:06:42 | bzdoug_ | I am gonna wait untilI get a new mobo |
| 23:06:49 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 23:06:53 | BZFrank | this card can do sourround gaming, three screens at one |
| 23:07:17 | BZFrank | but e.g. console crashes the driver in XP (p2501 console that is) |
| 23:08:18 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 23:08:19 | BZFrank | so I am rewriting to get plain opengl mode running, I bet its the dreaded openglblit mode that makes it act funny |
| 23:08:27 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:08:49 | BZFrank | this will also be good for all others, so it will run on even a Rage or something |
| 23:09:03 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 23:09:32 | scanline | is away: food (good food!) |
| 23:09:37 | BZFrank | I have asked matrox dev support but nothing yet, maybe they don't take to mere mortals ;) |
| 23:09:49 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 23:11:13 | bzdoug_ | fiddles with his LCD text display |
| 23:11:35 | bzdoug_ | need back light and I need to suck power off my serial port or somethin |
| 23:12:45 | BZFrank | LCD screen? |
| 23:13:16 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 23:13:22 | bzdoug_ | a little thing |
| 23:13:30 | bzdoug_ | for text only |
| 23:13:36 | bzdoug_ | you send it stuff |
| 23:13:46 | bzdoug_ | plugs into the printer port |
| 23:16:45 | BZFrank | ah, two more orders... |
| 23:16:52 | BZFrank | is away processing some stuff |
| 23:17:21 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 23:17:25 | bzdoug_ | for what? |
| 23:17:48 | BZFrank | PStill PS -> PDF converter |
| 23:18:06 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:18:10 | BZFrank | does not make me rich, but pays the pizza |
| 23:18:16 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 23:18:21 | bzdoug_ | neat program |
| 23:18:25 | bzdoug_ | like distiller |
| 23:18:26 | BZFrank | thx |
| 23:18:27 | bzdoug_ | right? |
| 23:18:53 | BZFrank | well, can do some more tricks, like concatenating pdf, ps, eps, tiff, jpeg in one pdf also as mixed input |
| 23:19:05 | bzdoug_ | neat |
| 23:19:07 | BZFrank | otherwise you are right ;) |
| 23:19:22 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 23:20:31 | BZFrank | but registration is still a manual process |
| 23:20:46 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 23:21:03 | BZFrank | well, should it ever getting me rich i can hire a temp to hack in the contact infos ;) |
| 23:21:40 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:22:04 | bzdoug_ | but then p2501 would suffer...... ;) |
| 23:23:33 | BZFrank | sure, but if I get VERY rich I can hire the Doom3 authors to help me with P2501 - see :) |
| 23:24:01 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 23:24:14 | bzdoug_ | like THAT would EVER happen... |
| 23:24:24 | BZFrank | me too *grins* |
| 23:24:25 | jzaun | wants a new theme for stats.bzflag.org that has a new logo for the new name "BZFlag Community Portal" |
| 23:24:49 | BZFrank | must be a tank theme |
| 23:25:11 | jzaun | BZFrank: have to talk to captain_proton, he is making it for me :-) |
| 23:25:23 | jzaun | I'm just no good with graphics |
| 23:25:33 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 23:26:27 | BZFrank | neither am i |
| 23:27:17 | jzaun | I'm trying to mak http://stats.bzflag.org/directory.php usable... |
| 23:27:32 | jzaun | I'm working on adding a search |
| 23:27:44 | jzaun | but I still don't like the navigation at the bottom |
| 23:29:01 | BZFrank | content looks pretty random to me |
| 23:29:16 | BZFrank | is it already updating? |
| 23:29:28 | jzaun | they are actually alphbatized |
| 23:29:32 | jzaun | yes it is |
| 23:29:43 | BZFrank | ah |
| 23:30:03 | BZFrank | I see. There should be a alphabet to direct jump to a char |
| 23:30:42 | BZFrank | its a real pain to select someone not starting with a or a number ;) |
| 23:31:42 | jzaun | yah I know |
| 23:34:58 | bzdoug_ | is away: soldering |
| 23:39:01 | mandy | lalala |
| 23:41:02 | BZFrank | do re mi fa so |
| 23:41:15 | captain_proton | thats 'sol' |
| 23:41:17 | captain_proton | not so |
| 23:41:29 | BZFrank | its so here in germany |
| 23:41:52 | captain_proton | silly germans |
| 23:42:12 | BZFrank | silly americans :) |
| 23:42:24 | lurgyman | silly llamas |
| 23:42:35 | BZFrank | silly aliens |
| 23:42:45 | mandy | hey |
| 23:42:53 | mandy | i'm not a silly american |
| 23:43:18 | BZFrank | ok, I exclude you |
| 23:43:50 | mandy | thanks |
| 23:44:16 | captain_proton | plans a trip to esperant so he can practice the language |
| 23:44:42 | BZFrank | nice weather there, but everybody talking |
| 23:44:55 | BZFrank | :) |
| 23:46:27 | BZFrank | captain... btw you know mindrover? |
| 23:46:32 | captain_proton | a little |
| 23:46:47 | BZFrank | then you should look at http://www.colobot.com/ |
| 23:46:52 | BZFrank | very nicely done |
| 23:50:53 | jzaun | hey captain_proton :-) |
| 23:50:59 | captain_proton | hmm, looks fun |
| 23:52:09 | BZFrank | is off to bed -> sleep |
| 23:52:15 | captain_proton | 'night sweetie |
| 23:52:19 | jzaun | G'Night |
| 23:52:47 | BZFrank | g'night captain, to the bright star and beyond! |
| 23:52:51 | BZFrank | cu |
| 23:54:19 | lurgyman | happy birthday |
| 23:55:01 | mandy | nightttt |
| 23:55:23 | jzaun | ok, searching for players works :-) |
