| 00:00:10 | patlabor221 | no |
| 00:00:15 | patlabor221 | a sleep button |
| 00:00:24 | patlabor221 | most moder keyboards have them now |
| 00:00:27 | patlabor221 | it won't turn it on |
| 00:00:32 | patlabor221 | it will make it hybernate |
| 00:00:33 | bzoudgy | wonders if the pro keyboarg will fit on his desk |
| 00:00:37 | bzoudgy | oh, ok |
| 00:00:45 | patlabor221 | it's not any wider then a normal one |
| 00:00:50 | patlabor221 | it's deeper |
| 00:00:58 | bzoudgy | my mobo has a power button support thingy |
| 00:00:59 | patlabor221 | looks for his ruler |
| 00:01:13 | bzoudgy | you hit or click the mouse, and the system powers up |
| 00:01:21 | bzoudgy | hit enter* |
| 00:01:26 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:01:35 | patlabor221 | that's a mobo thing tho |
| 00:01:42 | bzoudgy | ah, ok |
| 00:01:45 | patlabor221 | I cant find my ruller |
| 00:01:54 | bzoudgy | bummer |
| 00:02:04 | patlabor221 | but it's like 3 Lord Of the Rings CCG cards long |
| 00:02:10 | bzoudgy | make one in photoshop and print it out |
| 00:02:14 | bzoudgy | :P |
| 00:02:16 | patlabor221 | no |
| 00:02:17 | bzoudgy | ok... |
| 00:02:27 | bzoudgy | finds his 3 CCG cards |
| 00:02:29 | patlabor221 | and normal width |
| 00:02:49 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:03:00 | bzoudgy | its the keyboard that bulges sorta? |
| 00:03:03 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:03:17 | patlabor221 | bulges? |
| 00:03:21 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:03:23 | patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 00:03:32 | patlabor221 | it's not those bent ones no |
| 00:03:33 | bzoudgy | natural style |
| 00:03:37 | patlabor221 | no no |
| 00:03:39 | bzoudgy | ooh |
| 00:03:40 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:03:52 | patlabor221 | this is the one that we offer as an upgrade |
| 00:04:01 | bzoudgy | mmm |
| 00:04:05 | patlabor221 | with 2 USB ports ont he back |
| 00:04:11 | bzoudgy | yes |
| 00:04:14 | patlabor221 | the natural one dosn't have that |
| 00:04:20 | bzoudgy | k |
| 00:04:28 | bzoudgy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051049223 |
| 00:04:34 | bzoudgy | heres what I am lookin at |
| 00:05:09 | bzoudgy | hmm, that would mean I would have to type like a real person, not picking at it.... |
| 00:05:21 | patlabor221 | that's not it |
| 00:05:22 | bzoudgy | but then, I dont really pick at the keys... |
| 00:05:23 | patlabor221 | not the one I have |
| 00:05:26 | bzoudgy | oh |
| 00:05:26 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:05:42 | patlabor221 | ahh that one does have USB tho, that'snice |
| 00:05:43 | bzoudgy | sorta the same? |
| 00:05:50 | bzoudgy | hehe |
| 00:05:56 | patlabor221 | it's the same as mine but natural |
| 00:06:05 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:06:09 | patlabor221 | they don't sell that one to regular customers |
| 00:06:13 | patlabor221 | must be dell only |
| 00:06:14 | bzoudgy | oh |
| 00:06:16 | bzoudgy | yes |
| 00:06:27 | bzoudgy | Suggested Retail Price: $74.50!!!! |
| 00:06:28 | patlabor221 | thing is gonna be wide |
| 00:06:35 | bzoudgy | yea, on the moon it might be... |
| 00:06:38 | bzoudgy | yes |
| 00:06:45 | patlabor221 | well the retail price on mine is like 50 |
| 00:06:52 | bzoudgy | gets the tape mesure out... |
| 00:07:43 | bzoudgy | I have exactly 8 inches of keyobard room here |
| 00:07:58 | bzoudgy | width |
| 00:08:01 | patlabor221 | fornt to back? |
| 00:08:03 | patlabor221 | or left to right? |
| 00:08:06 | patlabor221 | no way |
| 00:08:07 | bzoudgy | hmm, yea |
| 00:08:11 | bzoudgy | front to back |
| 00:08:15 | patlabor221 | they are like at least afoot |
| 00:08:20 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:08:27 | patlabor221 | ok front to back |
| 00:08:31 | patlabor221 | that makes senst |
| 00:08:34 | bzoudgy | yea |
| 00:09:00 | Widget | What sort of hostname is this: 3ffe:1200:3028:8120:0:0:0:3 |
| 00:09:04 | Widget | Some ipv6 thing? |
| 00:09:05 | patlabor221 | my keyboard is wider then the 8.5 inch side of a peice of paper |
| 00:09:24 | patlabor221 | i'm betting it's like 10 inches front to back |
| 00:09:28 | bzoudgy | I have a, um, Physicians desk reference and a yeller pages under my monitor, it takes up some room |
| 00:09:29 | patlabor221 | and that thing has to be more |
| 00:09:34 | bzoudgy | oh |
| 00:09:35 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:09:44 | bzoudgy | I need to get a monitor stand |
| 00:09:47 | patlabor221 | now if you take the wrist rest off mine it's less then 8 |
| 00:09:52 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:10:00 | bzoudgy | but that one is not removable... |
| 00:10:06 | patlabor221 | or at least a lot colser |
| 00:10:09 | patlabor221 | no the naturals are not |
| 00:10:19 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:10:40 | patlabor221 | I allways have something to raise up the monitor |
| 00:10:49 | patlabor221 | here we have custom desks that are ajustable |
| 00:10:58 | bzoudgy | nice |
| 00:11:03 | patlabor221 | the table is seperate from the monitor part |
| 00:11:11 | patlabor221 | and you can crank eahc one sperately |
| 00:11:19 | patlabor221 | and they are huge and L shaped |
| 00:11:29 | bzoudgy | my desk is 40 inchs tall |
| 00:11:34 | bzoudgy | :( |
| 00:11:34 | patlabor221 | well more like a V |
| 00:11:45 | patlabor221 | get a new one |
| 00:11:51 | bzoudgy | I am perched on top of a stool like a bird |
| 00:11:55 | patlabor221 | I can't live on square desks anymore |
| 00:11:56 | bzoudgy | cant |
| 00:12:02 | bzoudgy | its a counter really |
| 00:12:11 | bzoudgy | ontop of drawers |
| 00:12:12 | patlabor221 | why not? |
| 00:12:25 | bzoudgy | kinda built in |
| 00:12:30 | patlabor221 | to the wall? |
| 00:12:43 | bzoudgy | no, but its like 10 feet long |
| 00:12:57 | bzoudgy | and hooked up to 3 drawer thingys... |
| 00:13:02 | patlabor221 | but most of that is useless space |
| 00:13:03 | bzoudgy | no room to move it... |
| 00:13:07 | patlabor221 | pitch it |
| 00:13:14 | bzoudgy | its my dads... |
| 00:13:16 | bzoudgy | cant.... |
| 00:13:21 | bzoudgy | he built it |
| 00:13:29 | patlabor221 | tell him to stuff it then pithc it :) |
| 00:13:33 | bzoudgy | he wont move it till he moves |
| 00:13:33 | patlabor221 | or set it on fire |
| 00:13:37 | bzoudgy | :P |
| 00:13:39 | bzoudgy | hehe |
| 00:13:44 | patlabor221 | then make him move |
| 00:13:47 | bzoudgy | or I could get a monitor stand... |
| 00:13:51 | bzoudgy | or make one |
| 00:13:56 | patlabor221 | I still like the fire idea |
| 00:14:09 | bzoudgy | hehe |
| 00:14:11 | patlabor221 | I used to have a desk that was in a closet |
| 00:14:13 | bzoudgy | ok, here we go |
| 00:14:13 | bzoudgy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1763146655 |
| 00:14:15 | patlabor221 | that sucked |
| 00:14:29 | bzoudgy | ohh |
| 00:14:32 | bzoudgy | I bet |
| 00:14:37 | blair | yo |
| 00:14:37 | patlabor221 | looks like an archaic toruture device |
| 00:14:43 | blair | whats with flag? its all screwy |
| 00:14:50 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:14:57 | bzoudgy | scratch that then |
| 00:14:58 | blair | yo prot, hows skool, still got that patch for the 1.8 menu system i submitted wayyyy back when? |
| 00:14:59 | patlabor221 | all of them everywhere? |
| 00:15:09 | bzoudgy | maybe I can find one in a dumpster or something |
| 00:15:32 | bzoudgy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2050174203 ? |
| 00:15:47 | bzoudgy | ack |
| 00:15:48 | bzoudgy | nope |
| 00:15:51 | patlabor221 | shit just get a board and some books |
| 00:15:55 | bzoudgy | the counter is on a wall |
| 00:16:03 | patlabor221 | it's not like it's that heavy |
| 00:16:15 | bzoudgy | hmm, my monitor is 19 inch, very long |
| 00:16:34 | patlabor221 | then get a longer board |
| 00:16:35 | bzoudgy | all I need to do is get the space under it |
| 00:16:41 | patlabor221 | hence the books |
| 00:16:44 | bzoudgy | haha |
| 00:16:53 | bzoudgy | also\ |
| 00:17:01 | bzoudgy | it has no stand built in |
| 00:17:09 | bzoudgy | it has no stand. |
| 00:17:26 | bzoudgy | ok... |
| 00:17:44 | bzoudgy | I need a big fat vise or clamp of some sort... |
| 00:18:21 | patlabor221 | i's sugest ether the garage or a hardware store.... don't thin you will find it here |
| 00:18:33 | bzoudgy | haha |
| 00:18:41 | bzoudgy | pass me the wrench, will ya? |
| 00:19:06 | bzoudgy | ooh, I got it! |
| 00:19:11 | bzoudgy | get a LCD monitor |
| 00:19:21 | bzoudgy | :) |
| 00:20:09 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:20:20 | bzoudgy | a 17 inch monitor, for 20 bucks |
| 00:22:25 | bzoudgy | I could have bought a macintosh plus for 2 bucks at a flea market |
| 00:23:01 | bzoudgy | or a commador... thingy |
| 00:23:26 | patlabor221 | shhh... reading old Zelda comics |
| 00:28:46 | bzoudgy | ooh |
| 00:28:49 | bzoudgy | sssh |
| 00:29:45 | bzoudgy | I could a) bolt 2 big freakin bolts through the desk b) move to the real, human sized desk on the other side of the office |
| 00:32:21 | bzoudgy | does the gf4mx card have analog or digital dvi plug on it? |
| 00:33:33 | patlabor221 | dpends on who makes it |
| 00:33:42 | patlabor221 | that's up to the card mfg |
| 00:33:46 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:33:52 | bzoudgy | its in the apple comp |
| 00:34:09 | patlabor221 | then look at it |
| 00:34:46 | bzoudgy | what does the diference look at it? |
| 00:34:49 | bzoudgy | er |
| 00:35:02 | bzoudgy | whats the diference between analog and digital |
| 00:35:15 | bzoudgy | bah |
| 00:35:21 | patlabor221 | analog has 15 pins in 2 rows |
| 00:35:27 | patlabor221 | DVI is larger |
| 00:35:32 | patlabor221 | a lot larger |
| 00:35:42 | patlabor221 | look at your PC |
| 00:35:44 | patlabor221 | look at your mac |
| 00:35:51 | patlabor221 | are they difrent? |
| 00:36:15 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:36:23 | bzoudgy | my pc does not have a dvi port... |
| 00:36:37 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:36:47 | patlabor221 | so that will tell you what an along looks like then won't it |
| 00:37:32 | bzoudgy | hmmmmm |
| 00:37:46 | bzoudgy | I am looking at this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2050956094 |
| 00:37:57 | bzoudgy | it says tthere is DVI Analog and DVI Digital. |
| 00:38:06 | bzoudgy | what is the diference? |
| 00:38:16 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:38:21 | patlabor221 | apple uses there own DVI |
| 00:38:25 | bzoudgy | ooh |
| 00:38:27 | patlabor221 | that is one is the PC one |
| 00:38:31 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:38:34 | bzoudgy | bummer |
| 00:38:54 | patlabor221 | what would you put in the mac if you ganked the card out of it? |
| 00:39:02 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:39:18 | bzoudgy | I was gonna get my dad on 2 monitors, with one video card |
| 00:39:24 | bzoudgy | :) |
| 00:39:28 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 00:39:31 | bzoudgy | I was not gonna yank it out of there |
| 00:39:34 | bzoudgy | hmmmm |
| 00:39:41 | bzoudgy | good Idea though |
| 00:39:43 | patlabor221 | is it an apple card? |
| 00:39:53 | bzoudgy | its the one that came with it |
| 00:39:58 | patlabor221 | or a 3rd party one |
| 00:39:59 | patlabor221 | yeah then apple |
| 00:40:02 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:40:10 | patlabor221 | it uses a rounded DV conector |
| 00:40:13 | patlabor221 | that's only for there monitors |
| 00:40:31 | bzoudgy | oh |
| 00:40:40 | bzoudgy | they sell an adaptor |
| 00:40:56 | patlabor221 | and they wonder why they don't have the market share of other companys |
| 00:41:02 | patlabor221 | I'm sure there is somone who does |
| 00:45:14 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 00:45:15 | bzoudgy | ok |
| 00:45:17 | bzoudgy | like drbott |
| 00:45:44 | bzoudgy | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/41/wo/kLml82T0yjay3kBn181/1.3.0.3.34.8.3.10.13.0 |
| 00:45:57 | bzoudgy | ooh |
| 00:45:59 | bzoudgy | maybe not |
| 00:47:00 | patlabor221 | yeah that's to go form a regular DVI to the ADC |
| 00:47:22 | patlabor221 | I go now. |
| 00:50:44 | bzoudgy | um, cya |
| 00:51:23 | bzoudgy | yo BZFlag! |
| 00:51:50 | BZFlag | yo |
| 00:55:57 | bzoudgy | oh no |
| 00:57:00 | bzoudgy | my moms discovered AOL messengers voice chat |
| 01:04:27 | Guardian-sleep | Hello all. |
| 01:06:56 | bzoudgy | wooof |
| 01:07:43 | bzoudgy | what is the diference between GF4MX and GF2MX? |
| 01:07:49 | bzoudgy | anything? |
| 01:07:52 | bzoudgy | speed? |
| 01:07:55 | bzoudgy | memory? |
| 01:08:03 | patlaDCC | just speed |
| 01:08:17 | patlaDCC | and a bit more optimised chip stuff |
| 01:08:26 | patlaDCC | and I think some more blend mode |
| 01:08:31 | patlaDCC | but no shaders |
| 01:08:50 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:08:57 | bzoudgy | then its better? |
| 01:09:02 | patlaDCC | yeah |
| 01:09:06 | patlaDCC | but not faster then a 3 |
| 01:09:14 | bzoudgy | k |
| 01:09:25 | bzoudgy | I am gonna try talking him into trading cards |
| 01:09:27 | bzoudgy | :) |
| 01:09:28 | patlaDCC | you can get 3's cheap |
| 01:09:42 | patlaDCC | does the 2 have the mac boot bios? |
| 01:09:42 | bzoudgy | gf2mx for a gf4mx with dual monitor suppoer |
| 01:09:47 | bzoudgy | hmm, good question |
| 01:09:51 | bzoudgy | bah |
| 01:09:53 | bzoudgy | I bet not |
| 01:09:58 | bzoudgy | fergot abou it |
| 01:10:09 | patlaDCC | is it a PC card? |
| 01:10:30 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:10:35 | bzoudgy | its in a PC right now |
| 01:10:47 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:10:49 | bzoudgy | oh well |
| 01:11:10 | patlaDCC | then it proalby don't have the bios |
| 01:11:58 | bzoudgy | rats |
| 01:12:11 | patlaDCC | wow my file copy has 2574476 minutes remaining. |
| 01:12:21 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:12:36 | bzoudgy | hope your computer can last that long |
| 01:13:27 | patlaDCC | well it keeps changing so I mayu |
| 01:13:36 | patlaDCC | I think I am now in a difrent dimension |
| 01:13:52 | bzoudgy | ah |
| 01:14:01 | bzoudgy | I maybe shall try... |
| 01:14:38 | patlaDCC | whee 10 seconds now :) |
| 01:16:58 | captain_proton | wooooo |
| 01:17:10 | patlaDCC | wooooooo? |
| 01:17:11 | captain_proton | got an mp3 playing on both my roommate's and my speakers at the same time :) |
| 01:17:41 | bzoudgy | umm |
| 01:17:46 | bzoudgy | is that goodl or bad? |
| 01:17:58 | bzoudgy | I would consider it bad if I was in the next room... |
| 01:18:17 | captain_proton | good |
| 01:18:24 | bzoudgy | k |
| 01:18:26 | bzoudgy | checkin' |
| 01:18:27 | captain_proton | because its playing locally on mine and through the network on his :) |
| 01:19:04 | bzoudgy | cool |
| 01:19:11 | bzoudgy | mp3 streaming? |
| 01:19:15 | bzoudgy | or something better? |
| 01:19:43 | bzoudgy | raw network to sound card? |
| 01:19:46 | bzoudgy | mm |
| 01:19:56 | patlaDCC | what? |
| 01:20:18 | patalbor221 | what's wrong with plain old file shareing |
| 01:20:22 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:20:29 | bzoudgy | syncronizing |
| 01:20:55 | bzoudgy | the music on both comps |
| 01:21:23 | patalbor221 | so, only need to have the file open read only |
| 01:21:31 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:21:31 | patalbor221 | and did he say they were sycned? |
| 01:21:46 | bzoudgy | I assumed so |
| 01:21:54 | bzoudgy | why else would he say that? |
| 01:22:06 | patalbor221 | just to say that they got filesharing to work |
| 01:22:27 | bzoudgy | humph |
| 01:24:02 | captain_proton | yes, the music is synced |
| 01:24:11 | patalbor221 | ahh then streaming |
| 01:24:15 | bzoudgy | seee |
| 01:24:16 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:24:26 | captain_proton | gots to figure out how to stream video and tv signals though =D |
| 01:24:29 | patalbor221 | but doug: net to the sound card? |
| 01:24:33 | bzoudgy | sure |
| 01:24:34 | patalbor221 | HTF would that work |
| 01:24:37 | scanline | captain_proton: I think they capped my upstream to the internet |
| 01:25:01 | scanline | captain_proton: I must have given one too many cable modem folk my URL :) |
| 01:25:28 | bzoudgy | under linux, anything is possible |
| 01:25:36 | captain_proton | scanline: oof, that sucks |
| 01:25:44 | patalbor221 | doug: linux is an OS it has to go on the processor |
| 01:26:03 | bzoudgy | cant you feed the sound out to the network card, and then feed into from the network card into the sound card on another computer? |
| 01:26:04 | scanline | captain_proton: I'll just change my MAC address next time it's convenient |
| 01:26:07 | captain_proton | streaming video and the like is easy with gstreamer, i just gotta figure out how to make it work |
| 01:26:10 | bzoudgy | scanline: haha |
| 01:26:20 | bzoudgy | ignore my wonderings |
| 01:26:32 | scanline | nah |
| 01:26:47 | bzoudgy | why? |
| 01:26:51 | patalbor221 | how would a NIC turn data into sound? |
| 01:26:53 | scanline | I dunno... |
| 01:26:57 | bzoudgy | it cant |
| 01:27:10 | patalbor221 | then how wouyld you"feed it to a sound card in another computer" |
| 01:27:11 | bzoudgy | but feed raw data into the sound cards output |
| 01:27:15 | bzoudgy | :) |
| 01:27:20 | bzoudgy | listen to static |
| 01:27:25 | patalbor221 | over what? |
| 01:27:31 | patalbor221 | the PCI buss? |
| 01:27:35 | bzoudgy | hmm, sure |
| 01:27:42 | patalbor221 | wouldn't that require the CPU? |
| 01:27:50 | patalbor221 | being part of the computer and all |
| 01:27:56 | bzoudgy | I have fed logs and stuff into my sound card |
| 01:28:02 | captain_proton | ponders sending the right channel of the audio to his roommate's computer and playing the left channel on his own |
| 01:28:03 | bzoudgy | yea |
| 01:28:10 | bzoudgy | captain_proton: try it |
| 01:28:36 | bzoudgy | scanline: does your uni have ip addresses for each computer on the net? |
| 01:28:45 | bzoudgy | or is it a internal network? |
| 01:28:53 | scanline | bzoudgy: real IPs, but they block a few ports |
| 01:29:09 | bzoudgy | oh |
| 01:29:21 | bzoudgy | like some cable modem isps |
| 01:29:33 | patalbor221 | like most ISPs |
| 01:32:06 | captain_proton | hmm, the mixmatrix element looks interesting |
| 01:34:39 | scanline | haha.. easy way to detect linux boxen on a local network: broadcast ping |
| 01:34:48 | scanline | for some reason windows doesn't respond to a broadcast ping |
| 01:37:27 | bzoudgy | hmm |
| 01:39:34 | patalbor221 | cap: I'll have an updates soundman for you tomroow |
| 01:40:09 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 01:40:12 | captain_proton | we split the stereo |
| 01:40:15 | captain_proton | and its soooooo trippy |
| 01:40:21 | captain_proton | scanline: you gotta come experience this |
| 01:40:28 | patalbor221 | tinny bit of lag? |
| 01:41:09 | scanline | captain_proton: just a sec |
| 01:41:18 | scanline | is posting to OSNews for no reason |
| 01:48:18 | bzoudgy | is trying to get pcs and macs to voice chat over the net |
| 01:48:19 | | yes, bzoudgy? |
| 01:48:19 | bzoudgy | ibot? |
| 01:56:51 | scanline | plans to play subliminal emacs propaganda tapes while captain_proton is asleep |
| 01:56:59 | scanline | "emacs is not evil... it's ok that scanline likes it..." |
| 01:58:16 | captain_proton | asleep? |
| 01:58:17 | captain_proton | oh |
| 02:00:41 | bzoudgy | is away: ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 02:14:24 | captain_proton | adds a visualization thread just for the hell of it |
| 02:54:11 | jzaun | cap |
| 02:54:25 | jzaun | I think I found out what was causeing all the hangs in my server |
| 02:55:07 | jzaun | I was useing a modifyed server that would auto-start the time, dropping back to the latest release that does not auto-start the timer seems to have fixed the problem |
| 02:59:42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:59:52 | captain_proton | sigh...visualization thread seggies |
| 02:59:59 | jzaun | not sure where I got the modified version from though :-( |
| 03:00:16 | captain_proton | scanline: write a gstreamer pluggie that does your blinkenlights ;) |
| 03:02:45 | scanline | captain_proton: as soon as I write a daemon for it maybe |
| 03:03:09 | scanline | captain_proton: Or I could give you a login on my box, access to the serial port, and some protocol documentation :) |
| 03:03:15 | captain_proton | teehee |
| 03:10:44 | blair | wut you writing prot? |
| 03:10:57 | blair | emacs owns |
| 03:11:07 | scanline | captain_proton: nobody uses your full name.. means it's too long |
| 03:11:16 | scanline | only people with tab completion use it :) |
| 03:13:36 | blair | captain_proton: oh |
| 03:13:41 | blair | i do have tab-completion |
| 03:13:45 | blair | i just don't care to use it. |
| 03:13:56 | scanline | haha |
| 03:14:18 | blair | sup at ucolorado? |
| 03:14:23 | blair | colarado? |
| 03:14:26 | blair | colorodo? |
| 03:15:00 | captain_proton | piping music over the lan to play simultaneously on both my roommate's and my computer |
| 03:15:03 | scanline | Colorado :P |
| 03:15:12 | blair | whats the lag like? |
| 03:15:20 | captain_proton | unnoticible |
| 03:15:28 | captain_proton | probably on the order of about 4-8ms |
| 03:15:32 | blair | i was trying to do that in the hpc lab... bcast over 8 computers to get full stereo sound ;) |
| 03:15:46 | blair | really? howto? |
| 03:15:49 | captain_proton | we're splitting the stereo to have the right channel play on his speakers and the left on mine |
| 03:16:02 | blair | prot: i wanted to do that with like 10 machines ;) |
| 03:16:17 | blair | wanted to trap someone in there and make it like a carnival ride. |
| 03:16:22 | captain_proton | hmm, to do that i'd have to do some more complicated stuff |
| 03:16:24 | captain_proton | but its possible |
| 03:17:08 | blair | well, how to on two machines? |
| 03:17:14 | blair | i can generalize from there... |
| 03:18:18 | captain_proton | using some software i just wrote |
| 03:18:18 | blair | anyone have any experience distilling html to extract the right fields? |
| 03:18:20 | captain_proton | www.gstreamer.net ;) |
| 03:18:37 | captain_proton | beauty of a library |
| 03:18:53 | scanline | captain_proton: does that GUI thing count as writing software? =) |
| 03:18:54 | blair | audio mixing eh... |
| 03:18:58 | blair | that looks wicked... |
| 03:19:21 | captain_proton | scanline: no, but i've got some real code now :) |
| 03:19:27 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:19:48 | captain_proton | but yes, its possible to prototype out the entire pipeline without writing a single line of code |
| 03:20:00 | captain_proton | then when it works you make it useable :) |
| 03:20:09 | blair | code? |
| 03:21:29 | captain_proton | yes, code |
| 03:22:09 | captain_proton | right now i'm using esd for the network layer, but that will change once i figure out how to make it not break with the udpsrc/udpsink elements |
| 03:24:35 | blair | die meq |
| 03:24:48 | scanline | heh.. right now I'm really pissed off at my roommate, and I don't know exactly why |
| 03:26:25 | blair | he broke your computer? |
| 03:26:29 | scanline | no |
| 03:28:26 | blair | he broke your wookie? |
| 03:33:33 | scanline | lots of little things I guess |
| 03:34:38 | blair | is prot your roommate? |
| 03:34:47 | scanline | frequently acting like i don't exist... being a shallow person who would discriminate other people based on religion... the fact that he and a female friend of ours are holding hands, leaning on eachother, watching Red Dwarf... |
| 03:35:23 | scanline | Maybe I'd be less frustrated if I didn't have all this code to write... |
| 03:35:24 | scanline | oh well |
| 03:35:35 | captain_proton | blair: nono |
| 03:35:47 | scanline | sticks his forehead to the top of his head and listens to some VNV Nation |
| 03:38:18 | blair | ahhh, so you want the girl? |
| 03:38:38 | blair | scanline: back to silly assignment. drink your milk. code your c++. |
| 03:38:59 | blair | so prot, hows uc? |
| 03:39:15 | captain_proton | sameoldsameold |
| 03:40:11 | scanline | scanline: not really.. I don't really have time for a girlfrind. It's just ironic, because he proably would be avoiding her if I didn't tell him how silly it was to fear a relationship just because he's christian and she's agnostic |
| 03:40:13 | scanline | err |
| 03:40:18 | scanline | great, now I'm talking to myself... |
| 03:40:21 | scanline | s/scanline/blair/ |
| 03:40:32 | scanline | and I usually code in C rather than c++ :) |
| 03:40:40 | blair | gah. C |
| 03:40:48 | blair | a gurl from the U? |
| 03:41:01 | blair | i like chicks who don't believe in god. they get real messy. |
| 03:41:09 | scanline | she lives on the floor below us... just a mutual friend between many of us in this hall |
| 03:42:40 | blair | she cute? |
| 03:43:20 | scanline | yea |
| 03:43:34 | scanline | though that's irrelevant at this point... |
| 03:43:44 | scanline | DCC me some milk :) |
| 03:45:41 | blair | you want some aphex? |
| 03:45:46 | blair | i'll give you aphex. |
| 03:45:55 | captain_proton | raises his hand |
| 03:45:58 | captain_proton | i want some aphex |
| 03:47:15 | blair | well you guys got filesharing of some sort? |
| 03:47:25 | scanline | working fine for me... |
| 03:48:46 | blair | and if i had "milkman" from the richard d. james album, you could drink milk... |
| 03:50:26 | scanline | keeps listening to VNV Nation until this downloads |
| 04:05:28 | blair | go drink yo milk |
| 04:08:26 | captain_proton | yay for room-wide stereo :) |
| 04:08:58 | captain_proton | 6 speakers and 2 subs |
| 04:09:33 | scanline | I have no milk |
| 04:10:07 | blair | right on. |
| 04:10:12 | blair | i'm coming to visit you kids. |
| 04:10:23 | scanline | blair: aww man.. this ghost in the shell has samples from the english dub |
| 04:10:33 | scanline | where do you live? |
| 04:10:37 | blair | i dunno where i got that junk. |
| 04:10:44 | blair | british columbia. |
| 04:10:54 | scanline | what part? |
| 04:11:21 | blair | northern bc. prince george. i attend u.n.b.c. |
| 04:11:38 | scanline | k |
| 04:13:29 | blair | i suggest the yellow calx/goon gumpas sequence |
| 04:14:10 | scanline | hehe.. this is neat |
| 04:15:52 | blair | what is neat? |
| 04:16:13 | captain_proton | hmm, my roommate's sub is hyperactive |
| 04:16:20 | scanline | blair: the music |
| 04:16:32 | scanline | blair: kinda reminds me of the Pi soundtrack |
| 04:16:47 | captain_proton | there's a song by aphex on the pi soundtrack :) |
| 04:16:57 | scanline | hehe.. that might explain it |
| 04:17:55 | captain_proton | hmm, i should add n-sink capabilities to this |
| 04:18:05 | blair | do it prot. |
| 04:18:06 | captain_proton | pipe music all over the dorm :) |
| 04:18:09 | blair | yeahyeah |
| 04:18:36 | blair | some kids at my university built a radio station for res. |
| 04:18:38 | scanline | better than in-sync or however you spell that "popular" band :P |
| 04:18:43 | blair | requestable stuff and everything... |
| 04:20:19 | blair | i should send you guys some rap |
| 04:22:13 | captain_proton | hmm, there apparently is an equalizer plugin as part of the ladspa |
| 04:22:21 | captain_proton | but it makes gst segfault |
| 04:22:41 | blair | yer going outta bounds and you know it prot. |
| 04:23:02 | captain_proton | outta bounds? neber |
| 04:23:14 | captain_proton | i need it because of my roommate's hyperactive bass |
| 04:23:33 | captain_proton | individual equalization of each set of speakers |
| 04:24:00 | scanline | doesn't his subwoofer have its own gain knob? |
| 04:24:11 | blair | yeahyeah |
| 04:24:19 | blair | prot, you so gotta have individual eq. |
| 04:24:30 | captain_proton | scanline: nope |
| 04:24:38 | captain_proton | mine has control of bass/treble/etc |
| 04:24:41 | captain_proton | but his just has 'volume' |
| 04:28:57 | captain_proton | should get scanline in on the loop |
| 04:29:04 | scanline | is listening to Boa |
| 04:46:38 | blair | say proton |
| 04:46:52 | blair | captain_proton: do you have that menu patch i submitted wayyyy back when? |
| 04:47:01 | captain_proton | blair: nope |
| 04:47:11 | scanline | hmm.. speaking of menus |
| 04:47:20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:47:36 | captain_proton | warms of the remains of the frozen lasanga |
| 04:47:36 | scanline | I can't try the latest bzflag due to the demise of my AGP slot, but did anyone fix the fonts on the menu and console in BZFlag? |
| 04:48:01 | captain_proton | 'fix' hwo? |
| 04:48:15 | scanline | the fonts were very pixelated and yucky... |
| 04:48:29 | blair | welcome to bzflag. |
| 04:48:33 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:49:01 | scanline | It would be cool to have an option to use FreeType and trilinear filtering on the fonts |
| 04:49:13 | scanline | I've had a lot of success with that method in picogui |
| 04:49:13 | captain_proton | trilinear = yuck |
| 04:49:16 | captain_proton | anisotropic :) |
| 04:49:22 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:49:31 | scanline | LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR is trilinear, right? |
| 04:49:45 | captain_proton | believe so |
| 04:49:54 | scanline | how does anisotropic work? |
| 04:50:08 | captain_proton | some weird gaussian curve |
| 04:50:11 | patalbor221 | cap on a font? |
| 04:50:14 | patalbor221 | it's planar |
| 04:50:27 | patalbor221 | it's only usefull for stuff thats at an angle |
| 04:50:31 | captain_proton | i like my fonts to be planar ;) |
| 04:50:35 | scanline | captain_proton: If you haven't seen picogui sdlgl's font rendering, I can give you some screenshots |
| 04:50:37 | captain_proton | angular planes |
| 04:50:44 | scanline | only downside is that my method eats a lot of VRAM |
| 04:50:57 | captain_proton | has VRAM to spare |
| 04:51:03 | patalbor221 | anisotropic is a mip map thing |
| 04:51:10 | scanline | ok, so you can just suck the code right out of sdlgl :) |
| 04:51:35 | captain_proton | gets a straw |
| 04:51:43 | patalbor221 | uses the closest mip pizel in each axis |
| 04:51:49 | patalbor221 | then interps them |
| 04:52:32 | captain_proton | scanline: screenie me |
| 04:52:35 | scanline | trilinear interpolates between the adjacent pixels and between adjacent mipmap layers, in 3 dimensions.. hence trilinear. Right? |
| 04:52:49 | patalbor221 | no not realy |
| 04:53:24 | patalbor221 | it maps beteen the mip above and below |
| 04:53:27 | patalbor221 | liniaraly |
| 04:53:30 | scanline | I always thought bilinear just used the nearest mipmap then interpolated between pixels |
| 04:53:38 | patalbor221 | it does |
| 04:53:45 | scanline | patalbor221: what's the difference between that and what I just said? |
| 04:54:06 | patalbor221 | tri uses the nearest and the one before and after |
| 04:54:11 | patalbor221 | and iterps all 3 |
| 04:54:22 | scanline | captain_proton: http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=60 |
| 04:54:26 | scanline | patalbor221: ahh |
| 04:54:29 | patalbor221 | anisotropic does that for each axis |
| 04:54:34 | scanline | patalbor221: very memory bandwidth hungry :) |
| 04:54:37 | patalbor221 | yes |
| 04:54:47 | patalbor221 | anisatroic is worse |
| 04:54:51 | patalbor221 | only usable in hardware |
| 04:55:49 | patalbor221 | and it's only avalble in DX and GL extensiohns |
| 04:55:56 | scanline | ah |
| 04:56:05 | captain_proton | hmm, the orchestral stereo in the gladiator soundtrack is all mucked up because its a movie soundtrack |
| 04:56:48 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/font_bad.png <-- what it looks like without trilinear filtering |
| 04:57:10 | captain_proton | eww |
| 04:57:19 | patalbor221 | see if you make your fonts at the rignht res you woun't need to fiolter |
| 04:57:39 | scanline | patalbor221: I know, but this makes the fonts at a larger res so they can be scaled without rerendering the TTF |
| 04:58:05 | patalbor221 | well then it will never be perfect |
| 04:58:07 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/screenshots/58.html <-- what happens when you use an ugly font to begin with... |
| 04:58:34 | scanline | patalbor221: yeah. I should have it render the font separately for each mipmap level, but I've put very little work into that sdlgl driver |
| 04:58:53 | captain_proton | adds command line file list support to multiplay |
| 04:59:04 | patalbor221 | I allways use a font bitmap for each size |
| 04:59:25 | patalbor221 | but I am not general pourpose |
| 04:59:30 | scanline | patalbor221: doesn't work when you want to smoothly scale the font :) |
| 04:59:49 | patalbor221 | I don't need to |
| 04:59:52 | patalbor221 | I make games |
| 05:00:01 | patalbor221 | I pick a size and say "use that damit" |
| 05:00:15 | patalbor221 | then I beat them with a stick |
| 05:00:20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:00:28 | scanline | Well, this would be good for stuff like.. if you want your score counter to "bounce" or something when you get more points, of if you put text on an in-game object |
| 05:00:29 | patalbor221 | and they call me sir and stuff |
| 05:01:46 | patalbor221 | if it's gonna be an effect like the bounce then it don't need to be perfect |
| 05:02:11 | scanline | nods |
| 05:02:44 | scanline | I think what I might do later is have it render separately for each mipmap level, and adjust it so the default font size is exactly the size of one that it rendered separately |
| 05:10:28 | captain_proton | yay |
| 05:12:47 | captain_proton | eww, just experienced some latency on the muzak |
| 05:15:34 | scanline | tosses an eww-bomb at captain_proton |
| 05:25:57 | scanline | captain_proton: https://navi.picogui.org/public/media/music/Apoptygma%20Berzerk/Welcome%20To%20Earth/LNDP3.mp3 |
| 05:26:22 | scanline | bah.. I hate spaces in filenames |
| 05:26:32 | scanline | should just do a global replace to put underscores everywhere |
| 09:57:17 | [TeA] | hohoho |
| 10:02:17 | [TeA] | hi |
| 10:02:37 | scanline | hi |
| 10:02:44 | [TeA] | got time ? |
| 10:02:55 | scanline | for what? |
| 10:02:59 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:02:59 | [TeA] | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:03:01 | bzbot | intrix (R): -5 (21-26). Walter Wolf (G): -1 (7-8). Ruudi [bz] (G): 13 (53-40). |
| 10:03:03 | [TeA] | ducati |
| 10:03:07 | [TeA] | im there |
| 10:03:24 | scanline | I can't play BZFlag now.. my AGP is broke, so no OpenGL for me |
| 10:09:33 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:09:33 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:09:34 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 10:09:49 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmmmmm |
| 10:10:04 | scanline | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org 5156 |
| 10:10:06 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 10:10:36 | scanline | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org 5155 |
| 10:10:37 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 10:10:40 | scanline | bah |
| 10:10:56 | scanline | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org 5155 |
| 10:10:57 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 10:45:44 | Pinguin | Tea? |
| 10:48:26 | [TeA|TrEE] | yes |
| 10:48:50 | akira_ | tea .. neues team? |
| 10:49:34 | [TeA|TrEE] | jo |
| 10:52:51 | sussudio | that navi.picogui.org server suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux |
| 10:53:01 | sussudio | wtf is it with the badflags not dropping? |
| 10:53:18 | scanline | sussudio: heh, I haven't even been in it yet, need my new motherboard |
| 10:53:24 | fontenot | lol that sounds bad |
| 10:53:30 | scanline | I just forgot to turn on the bad flag timer... |
| 10:53:36 | sussudio | no antidote flags either :-P |
| 10:53:43 | fontenot | LOL |
| 10:53:45 | scanline | yeahyeah, I fix... |
| 10:53:59 | scanline | I have no OpenGL.. my AGP slot is dead, I'm on an old ATI mach64 :P |
| 10:54:10 | sussudio | changes scanline's refresh rate to 56khz |
| 10:54:13 | fontenot | :-\ |
| 10:54:26 | scanline | I don't care about the refresh rate, I'm on a LCD |
| 10:54:35 | sussudio | LSD? |
| 10:54:37 | sussudio | drugs are bad |
| 10:54:44 | scanline | beautiful 1280x1024 17.1" LCD... crappy mach64 card |
| 10:54:45 | scanline | bah :P |
| 10:55:15 | sussudio | hey i have an ati radeon and a 15" dell trinitron |
| 10:55:35 | scanline | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org 5155 |
| 10:55:36 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 10:57:05 | [TeA|TrEE] | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org 5156 |
| 10:57:13 | [TeA|TrEE] | ooooops |
| 10:57:22 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:57:22 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot: ducati? |
| 10:58:26 | [TeA|TrEE] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:58:28 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmof |
| 10:58:31 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmpf |
| 11:03:36 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-\ |
| 11:06:12 | [TeA|TrEE] | (%) |
| 11:25:15 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:25:15 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:52:41 | scanline | is away: pseudo-breakfast-like-substances.. yummy! |
| 12:17:51 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:11) |
| 12:30:22 | akira_ | kurz re |
| 12:55:02 | bzoudgy | baah |
| 12:55:49 | bzoudgy | stupid vnsee |
| 12:56:02 | bzoudgy | reboot I must |
| 13:17:09 | bzdoug | you know.... |
| 13:17:19 | bzdoug | I have one simple request.... |
| 13:17:40 | bzdoug | that sharks have FREAKIN laser beams on top of there heads! |
| 13:18:09 | bzdoug | now my friends inform me that that cannot be done |
| 13:18:27 | bzdoug | is away: shcoole |
| 13:47:10 | scanline | is away: "Short Nap" (TM) |
| 13:55:29 | strayer | hi |
| 14:39:36 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:39:36 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot: ducati? |
| 14:39:37 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 14:39:48 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmmmm |
| 14:39:58 | [TeA|TrEE] | schon geschlossen worden |
| 14:40:01 | [TeA|TrEE] | :( |
| 14:40:10 | [TeA|TrEE] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 14:40:10 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 14:40:14 | [TeA|TrEE] | :( |
| 14:59:20 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:59:20 | jpablo | ibot: ducati ? |
| 14:59:21 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 14:59:28 | jpablo | :'-( |
| 14:59:35 | strayer | thats life... |
| 14:59:42 | jpablo | life sucks. |
| 14:59:51 | strayer | hehe... |
| 15:00:43 | metal_magic | hi |
| 15:00:49 | jpablo | hu mm. |
| 15:00:51 | metal_magic | what happend on ducati? |
| 15:01:03 | jpablo | dunno, i just noticed. |
| 15:01:16 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 51 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: probably from Friday afternoon to Monday morning [Thu Sep 5 20:09:24 2002] |
| 15:01:16 | metal_magic | ibot: seen chestal |
| 15:02:30 | metal_magic | don't you know, where is the archive of this channel? |
| 15:03:59 | jpablo | humm rickers.org somewhere. |
| 15:04:02 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/<channelname>/ |
| 15:04:02 | jpablo | ibot: logs ? |
| 15:04:17 | jpablo | there you got. |
| 15:04:18 | metal_magic | ah, thx :-) |
| 15:05:13 | metal_magic | ah, got it:-( |
| 15:05:17 | strayer | and? |
| 15:05:17 | metal_magic | 19:08:54 |
| 15:05:17 | metal_magic | Chestal |
| 15:05:17 | metal_magic | I have to announce ducati downtime |
| 15:05:32 | strayer | he sayd it 22.18...right? |
| 15:05:41 | strayer | said |
| 15:05:48 | strayer | GMT |
| 15:06:19 | metal_magic | hm, i think it is 19:08:54 GMT |
| 15:06:37 | strayer | oh....my memory is not the best....maybe... |
| 15:06:41 | strayer | ;) |
| 15:06:45 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 15:08:55 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org |
| 15:09:05 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org:5155 |
| 15:09:17 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong navi.picogui.org:5156 |
| 15:09:26 | metal_magic | someone tried this one? |
| 15:10:04 | jpablo | nope. |
| 15:11:33 | metal_magic | does anyone know if somewhere runs server with the same parameters as on ducati:5156? |
| 15:16:32 | jpablo | don't know. |
| 15:16:42 | jpablo | maybe i can run one. |
| 15:16:52 | metal_magic | btw how does work the Find Server in bzflag |
| 15:17:04 | metal_magic | it has a list? |
| 15:17:14 | jpablo | wait. |
| 15:19:32 | metal_magic | what happens if you don't use -passwd option when starting the server? |
| 15:19:51 | metal_magic | some default one is used, or the server cannot be administrated? |
| 15:20:14 | jpablo | damn, that stupid is firewalled. |
| 15:20:19 | jpablo | metal_magic: dunno. |
| 15:20:31 | metal_magic | i am trying to start a server |
| 15:20:47 | metal_magic | i think it should not be firewalled |
| 15:20:49 | jpablo | ./bzfs -cr -b -h -mp 0,4,4,0,0 -mo 4 -ms 2 +r -p 5156 -passwd password -requireudp -pr 5157 -public "Ducati style server" |
| 15:20:53 | jpablo | try that. |
| 15:21:25 | metal_magic | wait a moment |
| 15:22:43 | metal_magic | why do you have -r? |
| 15:23:55 | jpablo | +r ? |
| 15:24:13 | metal_magic | -cr |
| 15:24:17 | jpablo | capture random |
| 15:24:22 | metal_magic | that doesnt mean -c -r? |
| 15:24:27 | jpablo | no. |
| 15:24:35 | metal_magic | what version is that? |
| 15:24:53 | jpablo | lastes |
| 15:24:58 | metal_magic | ah, got it |
| 15:25:02 | jpablo | 1.7e6 |
| 15:25:08 | metal_magic | i studied manual for e4 :-) |
| 15:25:57 | [TeA|TrEE] | (alien) |
| 15:26:07 | [TeA|TrEE] | ({)(}) |
| 15:29:27 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong minerva.fi.muni.cz |
| 15:29:36 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong minerva.fi.muni.cz:5155 |
| 15:29:45 | metal_magic | try it please |
| 15:53:48 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong minerva.fi.muni.cz:5155 |
| 15:55:52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:55:52 | jpablo | ibot: ducati? |
| 15:56:00 | jpablo | bzfquerylong minerva.fi.muni.cz 5155 |
| 15:57:30 | metal_magic | wtf is wrong? |
| 15:57:44 | jpablo | bzbot is not here :P |
| 15:57:48 | metal_magic | grr |
| 15:58:07 | metal_magic | how can i watch my server? |
| 15:58:16 | metal_magic | without running bzflag |
| 15:58:34 | jpablo | there's a script in the bzflag source distribution. |
| 15:58:43 | jpablo | bzfquery.pl or somethign like that. |
| 15:58:47 | metal_magic | got i, thx |
| 15:58:50 | metal_magic | got it |
| 16:01:03 | metal_magic | i noticed, the machine with the bzfs has no high traffic |
| 16:02:09 | metal_magic | approx 80Kib/s |
| 16:09:52 | strayer | does anyone have experiences with TFTs? |
| 16:10:15 | metal_magic | talk |
| 16:11:11 | metal_magic | strayer: what do you need to know? |
| 16:11:40 | strayer | for games a TFT should have quick view changings...right? (bad english) |
| 16:12:40 | metal_magic | i guess this is right, but someone told me, that it is not true for new and good displays |
| 16:12:53 | metal_magic | btw i thought you are american |
| 16:13:12 | strayer | hm..........no i am german ...i wanna know which specification is important to this |
| 16:13:27 | strayer | is it the 'response time'? |
| 16:13:46 | metal_magic | it could be, i guess |
| 16:14:21 | strayer | hm.....but U know no number...right? |
| 16:14:40 | metal_magic | no i don't |
| 16:15:04 | metal_magic | well, go to the store and try it |
| 16:15:55 | strayer | hehe....funny, i buy things like this over inet... |
| 16:16:00 | strayer | much cheaper |
| 16:16:24 | metal_magic | yes, but you can _try_ it in the store, can't ya? |
| 16:17:35 | strayer | hm...jep....will have a look for a shop where competent sellers work |
| 16:17:51 | strayer | ...not easy here...hehe |
| 16:18:02 | metal_magic | ah, i forgot the -admsg paramater :-( |
| 16:18:38 | metal_magic | the players won't be happy if i would wanna restart it :-) |
| 16:19:18 | metal_magic | but only 4 players there :-) |
| 16:19:47 | strayer | dont care about it... ;) |
| 16:20:01 | metal_magic | tell me what should i use for the message and i will restart it :-) |
| 16:20:40 | strayer | 'here is god=admin..i have to restart in 5 secs' |
| 16:20:45 | strayer | ;) |
| 16:21:04 | metal_magic | no i think the -admsg parameter |
| 16:21:18 | strayer | oh... |
| 16:21:20 | strayer | dunno... |
| 16:21:24 | strayer | sry... |
| 16:24:06 | metal_magic | i got it:-) "This is really _temporary_ server. Do not make mess here or I will not like you. :-)" |
| 16:26:51 | captain_proton | makes a mess |
| 16:28:18 | metal_magic | does not like captain_proton. :-) |
| 16:33:18 | doughecka | is away: going up? |
| 16:37:51 | patlabor221 | is "rpiing the pannel manager a new one" |
| 16:48:52 | metal_magic | just turned lag{drop,warn} on on minerva |
| 16:53:09 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:53:09 | [TeA] | ibot: ducati? |
| 16:53:18 | [TeA] | bznot ? |
| 16:55:52 | patlabor221 | no bot |
| 16:57:32 | doughecka | bzsnot |
| 16:57:51 | doughecka | bzsbothere |
| 16:58:37 | [TeA] | no bzbot |
| 17:03:52 | doughecka | is away: going down? |
| 17:15:15 | patlabor221 | who you flodin? |
| 17:15:50 | doughecka | me? |
| 17:15:59 | doughecka | I am not |
| 17:16:00 | doughecka | why? |
| 17:16:12 | patlabor221 | * doughecka has quit IRC (Excess Flood) |
| 17:16:29 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:16:31 | doughecka | wierd |
| 17:32:10 | doughecka | wierd.... this NCKeystone thingy, it lets to adjust the desktop too all shapes and sizes |
| 17:34:09 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 17:36:56 | doughecka | like if you have a projector |
| 17:37:03 | doughecka | and its on a curved wall |
| 17:37:25 | doughecka | it lets you adjust the image so it looks square on the wall |
| 17:37:30 | doughecka | in real time |
| 17:39:03 | doughecka | http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=feature_nvkeystone |
| 17:47:01 | patlabor221 | lunchtime |
| 17:51:46 | doughecka | eh |
| 17:55:02 | metal_magic | Detonator 40 |
| 17:55:06 | metal_magic | hahaha :-) |
| 17:55:32 | jzaun | hi captain_proton :-) |
| 17:59:19 | doughecka | heya chestal |
| 17:59:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:59:35 | doughecka | hmm, hes not in the channel |
| 17:59:43 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 22 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: probably from Friday afternoon to Monday morning [Thu Sep 5 20:09:24 2002] |
| 17:59:43 | metal_magic | ibot: seen chestal |
| 17:59:50 | doughecka | /whois chestal |
| 17:59:51 | metal_magic | hehe :-) |
| 17:59:59 | doughecka | hes online |
| 18:00:05 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 22 hours, 50 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: probably from Friday afternoon to Monday morning [Thu Sep 5 20:09:24 2002] |
| 18:00:05 | metal_magic | ibot: seen Chestal |
| 18:00:34 | metal_magic | eh? |
| 18:00:41 | metal_magic | no he ain't |
| 18:08:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:08:38 | doughecka | yes he is |
| 18:10:13 | [TeA] | nope |
| 18:10:18 | [TeA] | about 3 hours a go |
| 18:10:20 | [TeA] | he left |
| 18:10:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:10:49 | doughecka | do a whois on him |
| 18:10:56 | doughecka | /whois chestal |
| 18:11:28 | doughecka | woo |
| 18:11:30 | [TeA] | lol |
| 18:11:36 | doughecka | I got the latest p2501 bin! |
| 18:11:49 | doughecka | with Stencil shadow now implemented! |
| 18:12:24 | [TeA] | excellent |
| 18:13:23 | doughecka | woo |
| 18:13:41 | doughecka | * Radar: Line-of-sight is now implemented, updated every 0.5 secs |
| 18:14:46 | doughecka | bah |
| 18:14:55 | doughecka | its usin the software renderer |
| 18:17:01 | metal_magic | why is ches here and is not here? |
| 18:17:14 | metal_magic | cannot understand it |
| 18:18:32 | doughecka | :D |
| 18:18:56 | doughecka | hohohohoh |
| 18:19:18 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:19:24 | doughecka | [15:19] *** CTCP CLOAK: Ignoring CTCP VERSION request from metal_magic. |
| 18:19:24 | metal_magic | grr!!! |
| 18:19:47 | doughecka | woof |
| 18:20:08 | metal_magic | woof? |
| 18:21:30 | metal_magic | do you think woof as "beat the drum"? |
| 18:21:48 | doughecka | bark |
| 18:21:52 | doughecka | [15:21] *** CTCP CLOAK: Ignoring CTCP PANTS request from sussudio. |
| 18:22:15 | metal_magic | doughecka: why are you cloak? |
| 18:22:23 | sussudio | get an ntp sync prog :-P |
| 18:22:31 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:22:31 | sussudio | it's 21:28 |
| 18:22:31 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:22:34 | doughecka | for fun |
| 18:22:42 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:22:45 | doughecka | well |
| 18:22:48 | doughecka | it must be you |
| 18:22:56 | sussudio | no |
| 18:23:01 | doughecka | I sync everday to 2 difernent servers |
| 18:23:11 | sussudio | must be bad servers then |
| 18:23:15 | metal_magic | i sync every hour |
| 18:23:16 | doughecka | nah |
| 18:23:20 | sussudio | do /time |
| 18:23:26 | doughecka | /time? |
| 18:23:35 | doughecka | in where? |
| 18:23:35 | doughecka | irc? |
| 18:23:35 | sussudio | yes irc server time |
| 18:23:35 | doughecka | nope |
| 18:23:42 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:23:52 | doughecka | *** bear.freenode.net Friday September 6 2002 -- 14:29:46 -05:00 |
| 18:24:00 | sussudio | see |
| 18:24:04 | doughecka | so? |
| 18:24:13 | doughecka | I like my current time, thank you |
| 18:24:16 | sussudio | youre like 7 mins slow |
| 18:24:16 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:24:24 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:24:39 | metal_magic | eh? 7 mins? |
| 18:25:05 | doughecka | nope |
| 18:25:09 | sussudio | yeah that'll happen when you dont sync your timer for about a year |
| 18:25:11 | doughecka | 6 min. 1 sec |
| 18:25:18 | doughecka | ha |
| 18:25:23 | doughecka | happy now? |
| 18:25:26 | doughecka | [15:31] <doughecka> happy now? |
| 18:25:44 | sussudio | :-| |
| 18:26:03 | doughecka | k |
| 18:26:51 | doughecka | what server do you use? |
| 18:28:11 | sussudio | 10.10.10.5 :-P |
| 18:28:16 | doughecka | haahahaha |
| 18:28:25 | sussudio | which uses my isp's timeserver |
| 18:28:37 | doughecka | hacks through sussudio's computer to get his time |
| 18:28:50 | doughecka | honest! I was getting his system time! |
| 18:28:59 | metal_magic | good idea :-) |
| 18:29:49 | doughecka | bah |
| 18:29:49 | metal_magic | xkolaja@triton(pts/5):~$ ping d5113294.cable.wanadoo.nl |
| 18:29:55 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:29:57 | doughecka | bah |
| 18:29:58 | metal_magic | 11 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 18:30:00 | sussudio | -A input -s 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 53:53 -i ppp0 -p 6 -j REJECT -l |
| 18:30:01 | sussudio | -A input -s 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -d 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 53:53 -i ppp0 -p UDP -j REJECT -l |
| 18:30:12 | doughecka | p2501 wont use opengl |
| 18:30:17 | doughecka | uses software thingy |
| 18:30:21 | doughecka | sussudio: hha |
| 18:30:23 | metal_magic | brr |
| 18:30:46 | metal_magic | -p 6 is what? |
| 18:30:54 | sussudio | TCP |
| 18:31:20 | metal_magic | well, how do you communicate? |
| 18:31:31 | sussudio | it's an INPUT rule |
| 18:31:32 | metal_magic | ah, ESTABLISHED |
| 18:31:36 | doughecka | english |
| 18:31:38 | doughecka | and irc |
| 18:31:41 | doughecka | mostly |
| 18:31:47 | doughecka | and power-over-ip |
| 18:31:57 | metal_magic | but ping is ICMP |
| 18:32:12 | sussudio | yes |
| 18:32:14 | doughecka | I dont like ICBM;s |
| 18:32:14 | sussudio | so? |
| 18:32:15 | strayer | jep |
| 18:32:21 | metal_magic | it is not TCP nor UDP |
| 18:32:30 | sussudio | that wasnt my ping line either |
| 18:32:42 | doughecka | IRO and UOSP |
| 18:32:52 | sussudio | that was my 'cant use my timeserver' line |
| 18:33:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:33:05 | metal_magic | hahahaha :-) |
| 18:33:06 | doughecka | k |
| 18:33:25 | doughecka | DUM de DUM! |
| 18:33:29 | sussudio | ident is also blocked unless included manually |
| 18:33:46 | doughecka | is away: bork bork bork, its a swedish lunch! |
| 18:33:51 | sussudio | Svenskä gruskä wit dü teflon un dü birdie birdie un dü børk børk børk |
| 18:34:04 | doughecka | hahaha |
| 18:34:30 | doughecka | is away: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. |
| 18:34:35 | metal_magic | you have your firewall bad |
| 18:34:41 | doughecka | mine? |
| 18:34:43 | doughecka | yup |
| 18:34:45 | doughecka | I am DMZ |
| 18:34:46 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:34:54 | metal_magic | sussudios |
| 18:34:58 | metal_magic | sussudio's one |
| 18:35:01 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:35:02 | doughecka | well |
| 18:35:05 | doughecka | mine is worse |
| 18:35:07 | doughecka | I dont have one |
| 18:35:08 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:35:14 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 18:35:15 | doughecka | is away: I am working, which is something that you should be doing. |
| 18:35:48 | sussudio | mine is a good firewall |
| 18:35:55 | metal_magic | no it ain't |
| 18:36:15 | doughecka | no it ain't |
| 18:36:28 | doughecka | its as open as a bullet hole through a door knob |
| 18:36:44 | metal_magic | don't think so |
| 18:36:46 | doughecka | and as slick as deer.... ok |
| 18:36:53 | metal_magic | it is bad for other reason |
| 18:36:59 | doughecka | runs line? |
| 18:37:01 | doughecka | linux? |
| 18:37:04 | doughecka | muahha |
| 18:37:15 | sussudio | bsd monkey/ |
| 18:37:19 | metal_magic | no that is not the rason |
| 18:37:22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:37:27 | metal_magic | s/rason/reason/ |
| 18:37:28 | doughecka | is the list server down??? |
| 18:37:48 | doughecka | tell me it aint down |
| 18:38:02 | metal_magic | which one? |
| 18:38:04 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:38:06 | doughecka | for bzflag |
| 18:38:19 | sussudio | i get 23 servers.... i guess you just suck or something |
| 18:38:19 | metal_magic | sussudio: you have bsd? |
| 18:38:24 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:38:24 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:38:26 | sussudio | bsd bad |
| 18:38:26 | doughecka | must be me |
| 18:38:32 | doughecka | darwin goood |
| 18:38:36 | doughecka | OS X good |
| 18:38:40 | metal_magic | which bsd? |
| 18:38:43 | doughecka | aqua good |
| 18:38:57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:39:04 | doughecka | cant get tot eh list serverr.rr..rr |
| 18:39:18 | doughecka | ooh |
| 18:39:19 | doughecka | wierd |
| 18:39:33 | metal_magic | sussudioooooooooooooo, halloooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:39:34 | doughecka | my computers TOAST |
| 18:39:44 | doughecka | cant even get dns out |
| 18:39:47 | doughecka | of bzflag |
| 18:39:52 | doughecka | but ie works fine |
| 18:39:55 | doughecka | wiiwiiwierd |
| 18:40:12 | metal_magic | doughecka: bad OS :-) |
| 18:40:27 | doughecka | yup |
| 18:40:29 | doughecka | Remember zee mooppets, vell zee sveedeesh cheff is zee seme-a sveedeesh cheff frum zee clesseec T.F. prugrem. (poot ze-a cheekee in de-a oofee). |
| 18:40:29 | doughecka | Zee incheffereezer is a prugrem thet cunferts ESCII text tu muck sveeedeesh. |
| 18:40:42 | sussudio | gah wtf |
| 18:40:47 | metal_magic | fujtajbl |
| 18:40:56 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:41:02 | metal_magic | hey, sussudio, which BSD do you use? |
| 18:41:26 | sussudio | i dont use bsd |
| 18:41:41 | metal_magic | i think you said you did |
| 18:42:38 | metal_magic | so i suppose linux, yeah? |
| 18:42:50 | sussudio | yes. |
| 18:43:06 | metal_magic | btw do you know where is your firewall bad? |
| 18:43:07 | doughecka | I use WINDOWS! |
| 18:43:25 | metal_magic | why use windows since there is a door? |
| 18:43:53 | doughecka | or a skylight |
| 18:44:36 | metal_magic | so use a skylight if you wanna :-) |
| 18:44:45 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:45:37 | metal_magic | sussudio doesn't wanna know where is his firewall bad |
| 18:49:15 | metal_magic | sussudio: your firewall DROPs ident packets |
| 18:49:19 | metal_magic | this is bad |
| 18:49:30 | sussudio | so |
| 18:49:32 | metal_magic | it should REJECT or ACCEPT them |
| 18:49:44 | metal_magic | but NEVER DROP |
| 18:50:14 | sussudio | that would defeat my stealth |
| 18:50:24 | metal_magic | heh |
| 18:50:41 | metal_magic | but some services may wait for timeout |
| 18:50:53 | sussudio | let them wait |
| 18:51:05 | metal_magic | that means let you wait |
| 18:51:14 | sussudio | i dont see, for example, why hp.com needs an ident from me. |
| 18:51:24 | captain_proton | oooooooh |
| 18:51:30 | captain_proton | alsa now supports my sound card |
| 18:51:48 | metal_magic | they can have their reason |
| 18:51:50 | sussudio | captain_proton: made in belarus? |
| 18:51:59 | captain_proton | sussudio: don't think so |
| 18:52:04 | sussudio | sound commie 542a |
| 18:52:24 | sussudio | that apathy level by MAC is kinda insane |
| 18:52:58 | sussudio | level playingfield with potholes |
| 18:53:04 | sussudio | and one way portals up |
| 18:54:08 | doughecka | gasps |
| 18:54:11 | doughecka | gasps |
| 18:54:13 | doughecka | gasps |
| 18:54:27 | doughecka | jp_school: sleeping in school is a nono |
| 18:55:33 | doughecka | chuckles |
| 18:57:32 | [TeA] | lolol |
| 18:57:39 | [TeA] | BIGlol |
| 18:57:45 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 19:00:43 | captain_proton | bagelage! |
| 19:01:20 | metal_magic | BIGlol is ROTFL :-) |
| 19:02:34 | metal_magic | bigROTFL is ILSHIBAMF :-) |
| 19:02:39 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:02:42 | doughecka | whats that? |
| 19:03:02 | metal_magic | I Laughed So Hard I Broke All My Furniture :-) |
| 19:03:06 | doughecka | hahah |
| 19:03:21 | doughecka | what is a big ILSHIBAMF? |
| 19:03:33 | metal_magic | bigILSHIBAMF is sure death :-) |
| 19:03:37 | doughecka | aha |
| 19:03:57 | [TeA] | ILSHIBAMF = I Laughed So Hard I Broke All My Furniture |
| 19:04:08 | sussudio | pretty much all my furniture consists of pc's |
| 19:04:13 | [TeA] | lol |
| 19:04:17 | metal_magic | hahaha :-) |
| 19:04:19 | doughecka | expensive |
| 19:04:35 | metal_magic | i think i doesn't have to |
| 19:04:38 | metal_magic | i think it doesn't have to |
| 19:04:59 | doughecka | break up all the old comptuers? |
| 19:05:00 | metal_magic | XT is a PC too |
| 19:05:06 | doughecka | aha! |
| 19:05:08 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:05:08 | sussudio | PC is a PC too |
| 19:05:18 | sussudio | PC = XT without harddisk support |
| 19:05:22 | | ACTION throws up over top of doughecka |
| 19:05:22 | doughecka | ibot throw up |
| 19:05:32 | doughecka | how about a PCjr? |
| 19:05:53 | sussudio | i have a IBM PC somewhere with 2mhz 8088 and full height 160KB drives |
| 19:05:57 | doughecka | heyt!!! |
| 19:05:57 | BZFrank | hi |
| 19:06:02 | doughecka | :( |
| 19:06:11 | BZFrank | does it not work? |
| 19:06:24 | doughecka | not on mine, it does the same as the old version |
| 19:06:31 | doughecka | software renderer |
| 19:06:35 | metal_magic | sussudio: it is slower than my calculator :-) |
| 19:06:39 | doughecka | I reinstalled drivers and stuff too |
| 19:06:49 | BZFrank | still with the old card? |
| 19:06:55 | doughecka | no |
| 19:06:59 | doughecka | GF2MX400 |
| 19:07:00 | sussudio | metal_magic: but your calculator cant support my bed |
| 19:07:02 | BZFrank | ge2mx, right? |
| 19:07:07 | doughecka | yup |
| 19:07:11 | metal_magic | sussudio: :-) |
| 19:07:12 | BZFrank | set desktop to 32bit 1024x768 |
| 19:07:16 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:07:25 | doughecka | silly me |
| 19:07:25 | BZFrank | get the nvidia detonator 30.x driver |
| 19:07:33 | doughecka | I have detonator 40 |
| 19:07:36 | BZFrank | if it still does not work |
| 19:07:40 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:07:44 | BZFrank | should work |
| 19:07:44 | doughecka | yup |
| 19:07:44 | doughecka | it did |
| 19:07:58 | BZFrank | but 32 bit are mandatory for gf2mx types, don't ask me why |
| 19:08:02 | metal_magic | what the hell is the detonator? |
| 19:08:10 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:08:11 | doughecka | thanks |
| 19:08:13 | doughecka | it works now |
| 19:08:18 | BZFrank | a driver for nvidia chips |
| 19:08:19 | doughecka | I forgot about that |
| 19:08:21 | BZFrank | see ;) |
| 19:08:29 | metal_magic | jesus |
| 19:08:33 | doughecka | genie |
| 19:08:35 | BZFrank | you can test teh 'line of sight radar' ;) |
| 19:08:39 | patlabor221 | vyou need 32 bit for the z buffers |
| 19:08:40 | doughecka | yup |
| 19:09:09 | BZFrank | pat - but it works on 18 bit on a gf2ultra, gf3 and gf4, only mx and gf2go are affected |
| 19:09:14 | BZFrank | 16 bit that is ;) |
| 19:09:41 | patlabor221 | MX is crap |
| 19:09:45 | patlabor221 | and go is a mx |
| 19:09:50 | BZFrank | the new resolution is great btw ;) -> 3072 x 768 ;) |
| 19:09:52 | captain_proton | BZFrank: p2501 doesn't run on a voodoo2 ;) |
| 19:10:00 | patlabor221 | pffffft |
| 19:10:11 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:10:14 | BZFrank | I know - the voodoo cannot handle the large textures |
| 19:10:20 | captain_proton | and when i say doesn't run |
| 19:10:24 | captain_proton | i mean takes the machine with it :) |
| 19:10:25 | doughecka | line of sight radar is cool |
| 19:10:26 | metal_magic | i have mx400 and i don't think it is a crap |
| 19:10:38 | doughecka | captain_proton: hehe |
| 19:10:40 | BZFrank | pat -> 3072x768 is actually 'surround gaming' on a matrix parhelia |
| 19:10:40 | patlabor221 | mx has no shaders |
| 19:10:49 | doughecka | BZFrank: you tried that? |
| 19:10:56 | BZFrank | yep |
| 19:10:58 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:11:05 | doughecka | I need a photo |
| 19:11:07 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:11:09 | metal_magic | patlabor221: mx440 too? |
| 19:11:12 | BZFrank | got himself a parhelia to play with |
| 19:11:13 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:11:19 | patlabor221 | all the MXs |
| 19:11:20 | doughecka | 440? |
| 19:11:22 | captain_proton | rebuilds gst-plugins to support alsa |
| 19:11:23 | patlabor221 | 2s and 4's |
| 19:11:23 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:11:30 | [TeA] | . |
| 19:11:30 | patlabor221 | the 4 is just a fast 2mx |
| 19:11:33 | doughecka | I dont really care about shaders |
| 19:11:42 | patlabor221 | a full3 is faster then a 4mx |
| 19:11:43 | doughecka | as long as it gets 60 FPS, I am happy |
| 19:11:50 | metal_magic | neither do i :-) |
| 19:11:56 | patlabor221 | wait till next gen games |
| 19:11:59 | doughecka | yes |
| 19:12:08 | patlabor221 | watch the halo 2 trailer |
| 19:12:09 | BZFrank | shaders are nice, you can make furry tanks :) |
| 19:12:13 | doughecka | like quest of honer or somethin |
| 19:12:17 | doughecka | BZFrank: oh? |
| 19:12:18 | patlabor221 | behold the power of pixel shaders |
| 19:12:22 | captain_proton | wants a furry tank |
| 19:12:26 | doughecka | BZFrank: right! like that nvidia demo |
| 19:12:29 | sussudio | i can make furry pc's by not vacuuming |
| 19:12:30 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:12:33 | BZFrank | yeah ;) |
| 19:12:35 | metal_magic | i will have new card until new gen games are here :-) |
| 19:12:36 | doughecka | sussudio: :P |
| 19:12:44 | doughecka | metal_magic: hehe |
| 19:12:46 | sussudio | and furry bread |
| 19:12:55 | doughecka | and furry cheese |
| 19:13:07 | sussudio | cheese turns green first |
| 19:13:07 | captain_proton | and furry ham |
| 19:13:10 | doughecka | and furry bagels for that matter |
| 19:13:10 | patlabor221 | I think BZA will need some type of shader system |
| 19:13:16 | doughecka | patlabor221: hmm |
| 19:13:19 | BZFrank | blaeeeh |
| 19:13:19 | doughecka | option? |
| 19:13:23 | captain_proton | ponders furry ham |
| 19:13:33 | patlabor221 | well proalby not pixel or vertex ones |
| 19:13:36 | patlabor221 | but something |
| 19:13:36 | doughecka | green furry ham and eggs |
| 19:13:40 | sussudio | ever tried glazed ham from LIDL? |
| 19:13:43 | doughecka | patlabor221: hmm |
| 19:13:44 | patlabor221 | at least for environ maps |
| 19:13:48 | BZFrank | pat: sure! |
| 19:13:49 | captain_proton | nope |
| 19:14:01 | doughecka | anyone want to test p2501 networking? |
| 19:14:02 | patlabor221 | it could be done with multipass if no shaders are avail. |
| 19:14:08 | sussudio | it's like ham.... but covered in some kind of wiggly salt stuff |
| 19:14:11 | doughecka | patlabor221: k |
| 19:14:13 | patlabor221 | I can try |
| 19:14:14 | BZFrank | doug - wait for the server release |
| 19:14:20 | doughecka | BZFrank: ooh, right |
| 19:14:21 | patlabor221 | it seems that a lot of my ports are now open |
| 19:14:22 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:14:28 | captain_proton | if your ham is wiggly you need to take it back to the store |
| 19:14:30 | doughecka | patlabor221: at work? |
| 19:14:32 | patlabor221 | by the grace of the gods it seems |
| 19:14:33 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:14:39 | doughecka | congrats |
| 19:14:42 | doughecka | dcc? |
| 19:14:42 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:14:43 | sussudio | feeds doughecka just the nasty salty ham-jello bits |
| 19:14:46 | BZFrank | I have reworked some parts of the protocol, that the reason p2501 alphas expire so I dont have to deal with the old stuff during developement ;) |
| 19:14:49 | patlabor221 | no dosn't seem DCC |
| 19:14:55 | patlabor221 | but I can play BZ |
| 19:15:00 | doughecka | haha |
| 19:15:13 | doughecka | throws it back |
| 19:15:24 | sussudio | doughecka: yeah it usually does that |
| 19:15:25 | patlabor221 | I think they just lost a bunch of the firewal configs |
| 19:15:38 | doughecka | I wonder how that happened.... |
| 19:15:49 | doughecka | BZFrank: so it wont work witht he older servers? |
| 19:16:10 | BZFrank | it will, but your older server won't ;) |
| 19:16:11 | captain_proton | doughecka: patlabor221 with a speaker magnet |
| 19:16:29 | patlabor221 | no hard drve magnets are way worse |
| 19:16:42 | patlabor221 | like from old 5.25 full height drives |
| 19:16:56 | patlabor221 | we had one of those hold up a small child |
| 19:17:41 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:17:57 | doughecka | patlabor221: hmm? |
| 19:17:59 | patlabor221 | it was masive |
| 19:18:16 | doughecka | ooh |
| 19:18:17 | patlabor221 | suckers stuck to the roof now |
| 19:18:20 | doughecka | I got one stuck to a car once |
| 19:18:23 | patlabor221 | can't getit off |
| 19:18:33 | doughecka | have to get vise grips |
| 19:18:42 | doughecka | and it was a small drive too |
| 19:18:44 | doughecka | 3 inch |
| 19:18:45 | patlabor221 | cap: I am changing the pannel manager "a bit" |
| 19:18:53 | BZFrank | have a monster magnet in the basement -> affects color tv from 2.5 meter |
| 19:19:01 | doughecka | BZFrank: hahah |
| 19:19:11 | patlabor221 | fishing magnets those are great |
| 19:19:18 | sussudio | how bout a chick magnet |
| 19:19:18 | metal_magic | BZFrank: ur kidding |
| 19:19:30 | doughecka | BZFrank:any new features in the console? |
| 19:19:35 | patlabor221 | no they are huge |
| 19:19:50 | BZFrank | no joke - it was once in a amplifier tube of a massive radar sender, the vaccum tube was ~ 1 meter in height |
| 19:20:04 | captain_proton | patlabor221: howso? |
| 19:20:10 | sussudio | BZFrank: think it'll fit on an aopen mobo? |
| 19:20:11 | metal_magic | BZFrank: ok |
| 19:20:29 | doughecka | BZFrank: wow |
| 19:20:31 | patlabor221 | cap: I am making it so that the pannel manager dosn't need to know about all the widget classes |
| 19:20:33 | BZFrank | suss: no, but you can hook a mobo on it ;) |
| 19:20:38 | patlabor221 | they are externaly registerd |
| 19:20:42 | doughecka | BZFrank: is the middle mouse button bindable? |
| 19:20:45 | patlabor221 | so that an app could add it's own |
| 19:20:51 | sussudio | doughecka: superglue |
| 19:20:59 | doughecka | sussudio: grrr |
| 19:21:04 | | Widget was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 12 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: Some ipv6 thing? [Fri Sep 6 01:09:04 2002] |
| 19:21:04 | metal_magic | ibot: seen Widget |
| 19:21:06 | sussudio | bark |
| 19:21:10 | BZFrank | doug: no new console features, only in the world script |
| 19:21:10 | doughecka | woof |
| 19:21:13 | patlabor221 | it's realy only addin 3 funcs to the manager and changing one in the base ui item |
| 19:21:15 | doughecka | BZFrank: ok |
| 19:21:33 | BZFrank | doug: will be, but what will to hook on it? |
| 19:21:41 | BZFrank | (the mouse...) |
| 19:21:54 | BZFrank | there is no "lock" in p2501 |
| 19:23:41 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:23:45 | doughecka | it crashed |
| 19:23:50 | patlabor221 | cap: and I made it so that there isn't so much duplicate code in the file readers for each UI Item |
| 19:24:26 | BZFrank | doug: what did you do? |
| 19:25:20 | doughecka | demomode |
| 19:26:23 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ahh |
| 19:27:11 | patlabor221 | it's still the same as your basic Idea |
| 19:27:44 | patlabor221 | I am just extending it to work better with external client apps |
| 19:27:55 | patlabor221 | and I am adding item heirarchys |
| 19:27:59 | patlabor221 | like the bullet list |
| 19:28:04 | patlabor221 | it will be an item |
| 19:28:10 | patlabor221 | but made up of sub items |
| 19:28:39 | patlabor221 | cus now that I got the prefs thing set I need to start being able to set them somehow |
| 19:28:57 | BZFrank | demomode works but its kinda slow, the line of sight stuff isn'T optimized yet |
| 19:28:59 | doughecka | BZFrank: woo, I got a chain reaction of mines going! |
| 19:29:07 | doughecka | BZFrank: I am on a 333 mhz comp |
| 19:29:08 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:29:13 | doughecka | maybe thats why |
| 19:29:16 | BZFrank | yep, like dominos |
| 19:29:19 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:29:22 | doughecka | very cool |
| 19:29:29 | BZFrank | it should not crash however |
| 19:29:41 | doughecka | it more like froze |
| 19:30:19 | BZFrank | currently demomode brings down the fps of my P4 1.7 Ghz GF4 box to ~35fps! ;) |
| 19:30:41 | doughecka | takes mine down to 10 |
| 19:30:56 | BZFrank | it is not optimized and the radar stuff tests way too inefficient |
| 19:31:25 | BZFrank | I just like to see how it feels with the radar change |
| 19:32:26 | patlabor221 | thinks about ording a pair of shutter glasses |
| 19:32:51 | doughecka | I was too |
| 19:32:53 | captain_proton | patlabor221: get anaglyph glasses - they're cleaper :) |
| 19:32:55 | doughecka | but they are lots |
| 19:33:13 | doughecka | patlabor221: I found the 3d drivers from nvidia |
| 19:33:18 | metal_magic | i am still hesitating whether to let the server run over the night or not ... |
| 19:33:19 | doughecka | bzflag 1.7 dont work with it |
| 19:33:20 | patlabor221 | yeah but shutter glasses work with most games |
| 19:33:25 | doughecka | yes |
| 19:33:32 | patlabor221 | and they are only like $70 |
| 19:33:37 | doughecka | oh? |
| 19:33:38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:33:46 | doughecka | me thinks he should get a mobo first |
| 19:33:47 | patlabor221 | 100 for the wireless ones |
| 19:34:03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:34:03 | doughecka | nice |
| 19:34:23 | doughecka | but again, it makes it look cool, but will dropt he FPS down a bit... |
| 19:34:41 | patlabor221 | wow they even get as low as $35 |
| 19:34:47 | patlabor221 | http://216.122.237.208/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=V&Product_Code=KITVIS1.6 |
| 19:34:49 | doughecka | really? |
| 19:34:54 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:35:11 | doughecka | does it work with games? |
| 19:35:33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:35:37 | patlabor221 | the ones I looked at installed a driver compoenent that works with NVida and ATI cards |
| 19:35:41 | doughecka | tempting... |
| 19:35:42 | patlabor221 | http://www.edimensional.com/Merchant2/agent.mv?AG=muse&SC=SFNT&S=edimensional |
| 19:35:45 | doughecka | patlabor221: yea |
| 19:35:49 | doughecka | saw those |
| 19:36:00 | doughecka | but if your glasses dont come with a driver |
| 19:36:09 | doughecka | use nvidias drivers |
| 19:36:12 | patlabor221 | then you need to get the driver |
| 19:36:17 | patlabor221 | that will proalby work too |
| 19:36:19 | doughecka | it has anagly and shutter |
| 19:36:25 | doughecka | I tried it |
| 19:36:32 | doughecka | bzflag took the whole system down |
| 19:36:33 | doughecka | :( |
| 19:36:47 | doughecka | but the nvidia demos look great with anaglphly |
| 19:36:50 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:36:52 | patlabor221 | wonder how much full headsets are |
| 19:36:55 | doughecka | lowers the FPS |
| 19:37:04 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:37:12 | patlabor221 | but I got a GF 4 |
| 19:37:12 | doughecka | but then a faster CPU may speed it up |
| 19:37:13 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:37:19 | patlabor221 | and a 1900+ with a gig and a half of ram |
| 19:37:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:37:23 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:37:40 | patlabor221 | and the coolest keyboard in the world |
| 19:37:47 | doughecka | how does it do shutters though? |
| 19:37:53 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 19:37:56 | doughecka | it looks solid satate? |
| 19:37:58 | doughecka | state* |
| 19:38:01 | doughecka | the glasses |
| 19:38:07 | patlabor221 | how does what do shutters? |
| 19:38:19 | patlabor221 | it's all that thing film stuff |
| 19:38:19 | patlabor221 | thin film |
| 19:38:23 | doughecka | oh |
| 19:38:25 | doughecka | wierd |
| 19:38:30 | patlabor221 | appy a current and it goes opaque |
| 19:38:36 | doughecka | cool |
| 19:38:36 | patlabor221 | remove the current and it's clear |
| 19:38:43 | patlabor221 | some slikc shit |
| 19:38:43 | doughecka | and I guess it does it quickly too |
| 19:38:51 | patlabor221 | 72 times a second |
| 19:38:56 | doughecka | woah |
| 19:39:18 | patlabor221 | or at your monitors refresh |
| 19:39:20 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:39:26 | patlabor221 | that give you like 36 fps |
| 19:39:27 | doughecka | 60? |
| 19:39:29 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:39:30 | patlabor221 | so that's not bad |
| 19:39:33 | doughecka | 36 eh? |
| 19:39:36 | doughecka | not bad,.... |
| 19:39:37 | patlabor221 | sure 60 would be lower then 72 |
| 19:39:51 | patlabor221 | it has to do the scene once for each eye |
| 19:39:59 | patlabor221 | so you half your framerate |
| 19:40:00 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:40:09 | doughecka | so it would be bes to have 120 FPS |
| 19:40:13 | doughecka | er |
| 19:40:21 | patlabor221 | refresh 120 is posible |
| 19:40:22 | doughecka | refresh 120 a sec |
| 19:40:30 | patlabor221 | but only at like 640 |
| 19:40:30 | doughecka | if the monitor does it |
| 19:40:31 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:40:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:40:43 | patlabor221 | my 21 will so that at 640 |
| 19:40:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:40:51 | patlabor221 | proalby 800 as well |
| 19:40:55 | doughecka | true |
| 19:41:03 | doughecka | you have a vid card that can push it |
| 19:41:13 | patlabor221 | at 640 |
| 19:41:22 | patlabor221 | depends on the geo in the scene |
| 19:41:27 | doughecka | k |
| 19:41:28 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:41:32 | patlabor221 | fill rate can no problem |
| 19:41:43 | doughecka | I guess I cant use the svidio on my card? |
| 19:41:52 | doughecka | I read that it needs a special box |
| 19:41:59 | doughecka | tv tuner like thing |
| 19:42:22 | patlabor221 | ahhh bza now has new intor music, the theme to "the last starfighter" :) |
| 19:42:28 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:42:44 | doughecka | GF3ti300 for 85? |
| 19:42:57 | patlabor221 | sound about right for the low end |
| 19:43:04 | doughecka | or a gf4ti4200 for 122? |
| 19:43:04 | patlabor221 | $100 with shiping |
| 19:43:30 | patlabor221 | the fastest 3 is only a little slower then the slowest 4 |
| 19:43:35 | doughecka | k |
| 19:44:56 | doughecka | gf3ti200 64MB DDR w digital&TV for 61 |
| 19:45:01 | doughecka | 24 min left |
| 19:45:29 | doughecka | woah, the ram has heatsinks on them |
| 19:46:18 | patlabor221 | that's good |
| 19:46:22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:46:29 | doughecka | too bad I dont have the money |
| 19:46:30 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:51:02 | strayer | [TeA|TrEE]?????? |
| 19:54:17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:54:25 | doughecka | frys is a online retailer too |
| 19:54:38 | doughecka | called frys outpost |
| 19:54:43 | doughecka | outpost.com |
| 19:54:53 | patlabor221 | yes the partnered with them |
| 19:54:57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:54:59 | doughecka | same prices? |
| 19:55:06 | patlabor221 | outpost was there berofre frys' baought them |
| 19:55:07 | patlabor221 | ohhh helll no |
| 19:55:07 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:55:10 | doughecka | oh |
| 19:55:11 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:55:19 | patlabor221 | store is wayyyy better on some stuff |
| 19:55:28 | doughecka | hmm, |
| 19:55:39 | [TeA]_ | sorry because of my nicks |
| 19:55:47 | patlabor221 | todays big thing is an XP 2100+ and soyo mobo for $189 |
| 19:55:53 | doughecka | ??? |
| 19:55:55 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:55:57 | [TeA]_ | TeATrEE should nock out every second |
| 19:56:09 | [TeA]_ | TeA about 5 min afterwouds |
| 19:56:11 | [TeA]_ | :) |
| 19:56:24 | doughecka | patlabor221: wow, too bad they dont have frys out here |
| 19:56:27 | [TeA]_ | AMD sucks |
| 19:56:33 | doughecka | no it aint |
| 19:56:37 | patlabor221 | intell is expensive |
| 19:56:38 | [TeA]_ | well the XP aMD does |
| 19:56:44 | patlabor221 | mine runs fine |
| 19:56:47 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:56:50 | doughecka | true |
| 19:56:51 | [TeA]_ | the P4 is more safer |
| 19:56:51 | strayer | tea...whats going on? |
| 19:56:54 | patlabor221 | but so does my P4 |
| 19:56:55 | doughecka | it is expensive... |
| 19:57:00 | [TeA]_ | :P |
| 19:57:01 | strayer | 3 nicks?!? |
| 19:57:02 | doughecka | safer? |
| 19:57:02 | [TeA]_ | i have a p4 |
| 19:57:07 | [TeA]_ | strayer ich weis |
| 19:57:24 | patlabor221 | I have 2 XPs, a Celly, an P3, a durron, and a P4 |
| 19:57:35 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:57:36 | patlabor221 | and what ever the hell is in this lin machine next to me |
| 19:57:56 | [TeA]_ | i have 1 p3 , 1 P4 and 2 p1 :) |
| 19:58:05 | BZFrank | they multiply like tribbles! :) |
| 19:58:09 | patlabor221 | looks to be another celly |
| 19:58:19 | [TeA]_ | and a amd duron |
| 19:58:19 | doughecka | I have 2 cellys, 1 PPC, 1 g3, one g4, 2 pentium laptops, 2 mips PDAs |
| 19:58:19 | patlabor221 | ohh I didn't count the bins |
| 19:58:28 | doughecka | patlabor221: haha |
| 19:58:28 | patlabor221 | or the macs |
| 19:58:57 | patlabor221 | it does depend on what you do |
| 19:58:57 | doughecka | oh yea, and a dual 933 mhz p3 with 1 gig of ram |
| 19:59:08 | doughecka | fergot about that one |
| 19:59:12 | patlabor221 | there are some things that the AMDs are not so good at |
| 19:59:17 | doughecka | its the biggest one too |
| 19:59:27 | patlabor221 | usualy stuff that does a lot of specific X86 asembler |
| 19:59:47 | patlabor221 | we have seen some issues with the Parasolid libarary |
| 20:00:14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:00:18 | patlabor221 | but for regular every day stuff, games, and dev it seems ok |
| 20:00:29 | doughecka | gf2mx200 PCI for 20 |
| 20:00:35 | patlabor221 | ick PCI |
| 20:00:38 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:00:47 | patlabor221 | only use those for second monitors |
| 20:00:52 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:00:57 | doughecka | exacly |
| 20:01:11 | patlabor221 | now an XP can suck complete ass if you put it in the wrong mobo |
| 20:01:17 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:01:26 | patlabor221 | i mean die like a pig |
| 20:01:35 | patlabor221 | it's gotta go into one that supports it |
| 20:02:34 | patlabor221 | ether the SIS 635 or the Viak KT266A or later |
| 20:02:41 | doughecka | hmm, hmm |
| 20:02:44 | doughecka | er |
| 20:02:47 | patlabor221 | the regular KT266 won't do it |
| 20:05:05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:05:14 | doughecka | can you hook a tv direcectly to the card? |
| 20:05:45 | patlabor221 | to what card? |
| 20:05:47 | doughecka | s vidio, or does it need box? |
| 20:05:53 | doughecka | gf2mx400 |
| 20:06:01 | patlabor221 | if the TV has svidoe yeah |
| 20:06:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:06:20 | patlabor221 | just have to enable the driver to use it then |
| 20:06:25 | doughecka | is there a svidio2rca? |
| 20:06:33 | patlabor221 | yeah there is |
| 20:06:44 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:06:44 | patlabor221 | got one for my laptop |
| 20:06:45 | doughecka | I had one for a powerbook |
| 20:06:50 | doughecka | but it had too many wires |
| 20:07:00 | doughecka | er |
| 20:07:01 | doughecka | pins |
| 20:07:05 | patlabor221 | then that's not svideo |
| 20:07:09 | patlabor221 | that's something else |
| 20:07:12 | doughecka | no |
| 20:07:14 | patlabor221 | svideo has 4 |
| 20:07:17 | doughecka | it was svideo |
| 20:07:20 | patlabor221 | and only 4 |
| 20:07:29 | doughecka | but I read that some svidios on computers have extra wires |
| 20:07:42 | patlabor221 | they may have been runing svid throught it but thats not a standard conector |
| 20:07:44 | doughecka | I can look at the powerbook and see 7 |
| 20:07:55 | patlabor221 | soulds like ADB |
| 20:08:00 | patlabor221 | it has the same shape |
| 20:08:04 | doughecka | powerbook does not have ADB |
| 20:08:13 | patlabor221 | or old apple din 7 serial |
| 20:08:17 | doughecka | nope |
| 20:08:19 | doughecka | no serial... |
| 20:08:25 | patlabor221 | well still then that's not standard |
| 20:08:29 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:08:34 | patlabor221 | gotta love apple |
| 20:08:36 | doughecka | macs are not standerd |
| 20:08:38 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:08:47 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:08:53 | patlabor221 | radio shack will have the converter |
| 20:09:00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:09:01 | patlabor221 | they are cheap too |
| 20:09:05 | doughecka | I must of missed it then too |
| 20:09:12 | doughecka | they where reorganizing it |
| 20:09:21 | doughecka | so I did not see a coverter |
| 20:09:23 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:09:45 | patlabor221 | http://www.svideotorca.com/ |
| 20:09:52 | doughecka | what about these personal studio or what ever boxes? |
| 20:09:59 | patlabor221 | those do oether things |
| 20:10:06 | doughecka | hooks up to the gfMX card |
| 20:10:06 | patlabor221 | http://www.svideotorca.com/svideorca.html |
| 20:10:11 | patlabor221 | see 4 pins |
| 20:10:14 | patlabor221 | 2 guide |
| 20:10:36 | doughecka | and outputs/inputs RCA and tv... |
| 20:10:47 | patlabor221 | 1 guide in the s vid side |
| 20:10:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:10:54 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:10:58 | patlabor221 | the black thing in the middle |
| 20:11:28 | doughecka | Our adapters have an exclusive key that fits both the 7-pin or 4-pin jacks of desktops and laptops and allows you to pass on the color information |
| 20:11:54 | patlabor221 | ahh so they work with both that is nice |
| 20:12:01 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:13:07 | doughecka | is it possible to have svideo input into my card? |
| 20:13:39 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:13:43 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 20:13:45 | patlabor221 | not as common as out |
| 20:13:48 | patlabor221 | but it can be there |
| 20:13:54 | doughecka | how do I do that? |
| 20:13:59 | doughecka | its the same card.. |
| 20:14:02 | patlabor221 | it also maybe a port for shutter glasses |
| 20:14:26 | patlabor221 | if it has in and out, it would be on 2 sperate ports |
| 20:14:31 | doughecka | oh... |
| 20:14:32 | doughecka | well |
| 20:14:46 | doughecka | that little box had input and output on the same cable... |
| 20:14:56 | doughecka | you could play back stuff I think |
| 20:15:00 | patlabor221 | then that also is not standard |
| 20:15:07 | doughecka | bah |
| 20:16:55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:17:10 | doughecka | I would like to try this video out put... |
| 20:17:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:17:24 | doughecka | let me try my cabel again |
| 20:18:43 | patlabor221 | what are you running it into? |
| 20:19:12 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:19:15 | doughecka | a VCR |
| 20:19:31 | doughecka | but I am gonna try going into a TV directly |
| 20:19:35 | patlabor221 | an SVideo VCR that's nice |
| 20:19:39 | doughecka | no |
| 20:19:53 | patlabor221 | then how are you pluging it in? |
| 20:19:57 | doughecka | I have a svideo 2 RCA adaptor that goes into a vcr |
| 20:20:02 | doughecka | then it does into a TV |
| 20:20:07 | doughecka | but it did not work |
| 20:20:16 | doughecka | so I am gonna try going to the TV from the RCA |
| 20:20:21 | patlabor221 | did you tell the computer to use the TV out? |
| 20:20:32 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:22:37 | doughecka | wonders what he did the the adaptor... |
| 20:22:45 | doughecka | hmm, oh well... |
| 20:24:34 | captain_proton | patlabor221: how cheaply can you get an sb live card? |
| 20:25:16 | doughecka | 128 on pricewatch.. |
| 20:25:30 | captain_proton | not sb audigy |
| 20:25:36 | doughecka | no |
| 20:25:42 | doughecka | live platinum |
| 20:25:42 | patlabor221 | a live VE sould be realy cheap |
| 20:25:47 | patlabor221 | get teh VE |
| 20:25:50 | patlabor221 | same thing |
| 20:25:53 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:25:59 | doughecka | 2 menus under pricewatch |
| 20:26:03 | doughecka | 17 bucks |
| 20:26:12 | doughecka | for live... |
| 20:26:13 | patlabor221 | do you have antything that iwll use a digital inout? |
| 20:26:18 | doughecka | nope |
| 20:26:35 | doughecka | nothing exept, um, the other mac.. hehe |
| 20:26:46 | doughecka | erk |
| 20:26:53 | doughecka | the G4 dont have svideo ether |
| 20:26:55 | doughecka | bah |
| 20:27:00 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yeah |
| 20:27:05 | patlabor221 | SB live VE |
| 20:27:07 | patlabor221 | $16 |
| 20:27:29 | patlabor221 | look at the link that says "live" |
| 20:27:36 | captain_proton | goes to verify that the card has all the right connections |
| 20:27:36 | patlabor221 | well 23 with shiping |
| 20:27:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:28:24 | doughecka | what does a dvd decoder card do? |
| 20:28:31 | patlabor221 | mpeg decompression |
| 20:28:40 | patlabor221 | only realy needed on crap hardware |
| 20:28:42 | doughecka | and the gf card cant? |
| 20:28:47 | patlabor221 | and macs |
| 20:28:47 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:28:47 | patlabor221 | it can |
| 20:28:54 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:29:06 | captain_proton | if you've got a good processor it'll look better than it would with a decoder card |
| 20:29:07 | doughecka | so the decoder cards have dropped out mostly right? |
| 20:29:12 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:29:16 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:29:28 | patlabor221 | most vide cards to the decompress assist |
| 20:29:42 | patlabor221 | cap I am showing a live for about 30$ for the decen t 5.1 version |
| 20:29:55 | patlabor221 | OEM cards |
| 20:31:03 | patlabor221 | http://www.pcsupplysource.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId=7225566CMGV-ACCWARE-E471&ic=AUD%2DCRL%2D5%2E1LV&cc=&tpc= |
| 20:31:25 | patlabor221 | I think that's the one that's in here |
| 20:31:31 | patlabor221 | and it has the digital out |
| 20:32:14 | patlabor221 | wonder what we can get them for |
| 20:33:23 | captain_proton | hmm, i need a card with 2 stereo analog outputs for front/back |
| 20:33:39 | [TeA] | http://www.gnome.org/~drc/shots/drc-screenshot-20011020.jpg |
| 20:33:46 | [TeA] | which Linux is that |
| 20:34:02 | patlabor221 | I have 2 analog outs |
| 20:34:03 | patlabor221 | a digital out |
| 20:34:06 | patlabor221 | and some other stuff |
| 20:34:36 | metal_magic | [TeA]: how do you think it "which Linux"? |
| 20:34:43 | captain_proton | [TeA]: could be any |
| 20:34:45 | patlabor221 | I have one at home let me look at it and see what it is |
| 20:34:49 | [TeA] | which one |
| 20:34:49 | patlabor221 | it's not in a machine |
| 20:34:54 | [TeA] | what is it then |
| 20:35:05 | [TeA] | waaaaaaaaaaaaaah confused ...... |
| 20:35:14 | patlabor221 | sorry was talking to cap about a card |
| 20:35:17 | patlabor221 | not your lin thing |
| 20:35:17 | metal_magic | it is GNOME |
| 20:35:34 | patlabor221 | I don't see how you can tell what distro a system is by the window manager |
| 20:36:09 | patlabor221 | hell I can make windows XP look like that |
| 20:36:16 | metal_magic | hahaha :-) |
| 20:36:29 | captain_proton | its gnome, with the window manager on some beos-ey theme |
| 20:36:30 | patlabor221 | I'm runin the aqua theme now |
| 20:37:12 | patlabor221 | cap: I am checking the product info on the lives to see what ones have 2 outs |
| 20:37:25 | doughecka | I have a live card |
| 20:37:33 | doughecka | it has 4 analog ports on the back |
| 20:37:40 | doughecka | 2 of them is for speakers |
| 20:37:43 | metal_magic | i am running window maker, hehe :-) http://nlp.fi.muni.cz/~xkolaja/tmp/wmaker.jpeg :-) |
| 20:37:51 | doughecka | I dunno if its surround sound or what |
| 20:38:11 | doughecka | nice |
| 20:38:27 | captain_proton | patlabor221: me too - downloading manuals |
| 20:42:48 | captain_proton | i need a card that has 2 analog outs, AC3/PCM (S/PDIF), line in, mic, |
| 20:42:59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:43:14 | doughecka | and works on linux... |
| 20:43:27 | doughecka | I could never get the 2 analog outputs to work on linux |
| 20:43:32 | patlabor221 | well I have one on my shelf at home |
| 20:43:33 | doughecka | but then I did not try |
| 20:44:46 | captain_proton | hmm, the audigy looks like it would work fine with my speaker setup |
| 20:44:51 | captain_proton | but its expensivo |
| 20:44:56 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:45:01 | patlabor221 | is that that USB thing? |
| 20:45:12 | patlabor221 | http://www.soundblaster.com/products/sblive5.1/specs.asp |
| 20:45:20 | metal_magic | someone who wanna play on minerva now? |
| 20:45:26 | patlabor221 | looks like the 5.1 will do you |
| 20:46:00 | captain_proton | audigy is the next gen card after live |
| 20:46:08 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 20:46:20 | patlabor221 | well the 5.1 is like $30 |
| 20:46:35 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:46:46 | doughecka | did you know that gaming is banned in greece? |
| 20:46:53 | doughecka | computer gaming |
| 20:46:55 | captain_proton | off to class |
| 20:46:57 | doughecka | game boy gaming |
| 20:47:17 | doughecka | any kind of computerized gaming is banned and you can get put in jail or fined |
| 20:49:35 | doughecka | is away: BUSY! |
| 20:53:20 | [TeA] | night all |
| 20:58:09 | metal_magic | going to bed, cu ... |
| 21:00:24 | BZFrank | is going to sleep also |
| 21:02:19 | patlabor221 | is gonna stay up all night and bust out some code |
| 21:02:54 | BZFrank | cu |
| 21:06:47 | mandy | hell people |
| 21:06:51 | mandy | hello* |
| 21:06:57 | paul | hi |
| 21:07:03 | mandy | hi paul |
| 21:08:20 | patlabor221 | this the birthday girl |
| 21:08:28 | paul | happy birthday mandy! |
| 21:08:40 | mandy | thanks :) |
| 21:08:49 | paul | :) |
| 21:09:35 | mandy | lol pat did u tell everyone my b-day? |
| 21:09:42 | doughecka | cheereo, my good friends |
| 21:09:50 | mandy | hi dough |
| 21:09:58 | doughecka | I never heard abou tit |
| 21:10:59 | mandy | oh well |
| 21:11:05 | mandy | it doesn't matter |
| 21:13:37 | doughecka | happy b-day |
| 21:13:42 | mandy | thanks |
| 21:14:24 | mandy | hi Dutch |
| 21:14:33 | Dutch_Mandrake | hi mandy |
| 21:20:24 | patlabor221 | no you just told everyone it was your birthday |
| 21:20:35 | mandy | me? |
| 21:20:40 | mandy | i did not |
| 21:20:40 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:20:49 | patlabor221 | lol pat did u tell everyone my b-day? |
| 21:21:09 | mandy | well u were the first person i told on here |
| 21:21:18 | mandy | so whatever |
| 21:38:30 | patlabor221 | goes off the yell at his boss |
| 21:39:02 | mandy | lol |
| 22:19:40 | doughecka | done yelling at your boss? |
| 22:19:40 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:21:21 | mandy | lol |
| 22:32:38 | patlabor221 | I ma now |
| 22:32:41 | patlabor221 | am now |
| 22:33:02 | patlabor221 | but I get to now use part of BZA in one of our tools |
| 22:33:09 | mandy | oooo |
| 22:33:54 | patlabor221 | at least I didn't have to get the sword this time |
| 22:44:43 | mandy | oops |
| 22:54:40 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 22:55:42 | mandy | bleh |
| 22:56:00 | mandy | what a great b-day this is >:( |
| 22:56:02 | doughecka | outlook crashes badly |
| 22:56:10 | | Birthday reminder. URL: http://user.bene.baynet.de/~mschmid/ |
| 22:56:10 | doughecka | ibot birthday |
| 22:56:25 | doughecka | DUM DUM DUUUUM DUM DE DUM! |
| 22:56:32 | mandy | ? |
| 22:56:54 | doughecka | b-day tune |
| 22:57:11 | mandy | right... |
| 22:57:25 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:57:26 | captain_proton | yaaaay |
| 22:57:29 | doughecka | you have speakers? |
| 22:57:35 | captain_proton | my roommate and i just made the most unbelievable beverage run |
| 22:57:37 | mandy | yeah |
| 22:57:58 | doughecka | captain_proton: eh? |
| 22:58:21 | patlabor221 | how unblevable, liek a swimming pool full of 7-up? |
| 22:58:22 | doughecka | ppht |
| 22:58:32 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:58:43 | patlabor221 | or bracardi 151? |
| 22:58:58 | captain_proton | few gallons total of juice, good amount of coke & fanta |
| 22:59:13 | patlabor221 | ohhh that's totaly beilveable |
| 22:59:22 | patlabor221 | you guys must like to pee |
| 22:59:44 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:59:53 | captain_proton | its our pastime |
| 22:59:55 | mandy | lol |
| 22:59:59 | doughecka | LSHISATF |
| 23:00:24 | patlabor221 | one word, catahters |
| 23:00:27 | captain_proton | laughing so hard i stopped attacking the fridge? |
| 23:01:00 | doughecka | I smashed all the furniture |
| 23:01:06 | doughecka | patlabor221: that means... |
| 23:01:12 | patlabor221 | laughiung so hard I S&&t a F**king turd? |
| 23:01:25 | patlabor221 | but I guess that's not it |
| 23:01:39 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:01:40 | patlabor221 | I like the frige one tho |
| 23:02:04 | patlabor221 | I sat and tasted fruit? |
| 23:02:20 | patlabor221 | I stood and then fell? |
| 23:02:47 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 23:02:57 | patlabor221 | furnuture that's booring |
| 23:09:43 | captain_proton | patlabor221: where might i get ahold of that $30 5.1 card? |
| 23:10:07 | patlabor221 | stand by..... |
| 23:10:17 | patlabor221 | accessing databases..... |
| 23:12:02 | patlabor221 | records found |
| 23:12:03 | patlabor221 | http://www.pcsupplysource.com/items.asp?CartId=13242854WRZBF-ACCWARE-78&Cc=SOUND |
| 23:12:09 | patlabor221 | free shiping too |
| 23:12:15 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmmm |
| 23:12:18 | patlabor221 | you want CREATIVE LAB SB LIVE! 5.1 BULK |
| 23:12:19 | patlabor221 | for Price Watch Customer, Price special will be reflected on check-out. |
| 23:12:30 | captain_proton | describe the digital connector |
| 23:12:39 | captain_proton | because my speakers seem to use a 'stereo' type connector |
| 23:12:47 | captain_proton | and the photo i'm looking at looks a little strange in that respect |
| 23:12:53 | patlabor221 | it's an 1/8 mini hack |
| 23:13:01 | patlabor221 | looks like all the others |
| 23:13:08 | patlabor221 | not an optical or anything |
| 23:13:32 | captain_proton | ok good |
| 23:13:33 | patlabor221 | you just get a 1/8 male to 1/8 male and go |
| 23:13:54 | patlabor221 | we put an RC adapter on it and ran into an recever onece |
| 23:14:19 | patlabor221 | sorry RCA |
| 23:14:26 | patlabor221 | and it worked great |
| 23:15:05 | patlabor221 | or here is one for $23 |
| 23:15:05 | patlabor221 | http://www.liquidationetc.com/13/cat13.htm?162 |
| 23:15:09 | captain_proton | ohhhhhhh |
| 23:15:12 | patlabor221 | but three is shiping |
| 23:15:16 | captain_proton | the audigy platinum is soooo sexy looking |
| 23:16:03 | scanline | how's the linux support for audigy? |
| 23:16:16 | patlabor221 | it's a card who sees it? |
| 23:16:28 | captain_proton | scanline: mucho excellent |
| 23:16:41 | captain_proton | its based on the same series of dsp's as the live cards |
| 23:16:41 | scanline | spiffariffic |
| 23:16:51 | captain_proton | except much more powerful in terms of 3d audio processing & such |
| 23:17:11 | patlabor221 | how many 3d channels? |
| 23:17:11 | captain_proton | isn't ready to drop $210 on an audigy eX :P |
| 23:17:12 | scanline | captain_proton: I hope it has better quality than the live though.. I have a generic SB live now, and the output S/N ratio isn't that good |
| 23:18:04 | patlabor221 | ha not bad for a company that said that PCI sound cards were impsible to make for PCs. |
| 23:19:57 | patlabor221 | wel time to go to job #2 |
| 23:20:03 | patlabor221 | see ya all |
| 23:25:11 | doughecka | job number 2 eh |
| 23:25:21 | doughecka | I wonder if he shipped the dvd drives yet |
| 23:25:23 | doughecka | ack |
| 23:25:25 | doughecka | hope not |
| 23:25:28 | doughecka | hmmmm |
| 23:25:51 | doughecka | Mmmm |
| 23:27:30 | doughecka | is worried |
| 23:27:34 | doughecka | ;) |
| 23:27:48 | mandy | lalala |
| 23:28:04 | | doughecka: sorry... |
| 23:28:04 | doughecka | ibot soundblaster |
| 23:28:09 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:28:20 | | doughecka: huh? |
| 23:28:20 | doughecka | ibot live |
| 23:28:27 | | so damn sexy |
| 23:28:27 | mandy | ibot mandy? |
| 23:28:32 | mandy | hehe |
| 23:28:40 | | its captain proton! |
| 23:28:40 | doughecka | ibot who is your daddy? |
| 23:28:50 | doughecka | ahh! |
| 23:29:01 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:29:10 | doughecka | shutte glasses for 39 bucka |
| 23:29:12 | mandy | =\ |
| 23:29:13 | doughecka | s |
| 23:29:21 | doughecka | shutter^ |
| 23:29:31 | doughecka | http://216.122.237.208/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=V&Product_Code=KITVIS1.6&Category_Code=SG |
| 23:29:40 | | a sexy little man |
| 23:29:40 | mandy | ibot strayer? |
| 23:29:54 | mandy | hehehe |
| 23:30:09 | | ACTION throws up over top of doughecka |
| 23:30:09 | doughecka | ibot throw up |
| 23:30:45 | | no idea, mandy |
| 23:30:45 | mandy | ibot ruudi? |
| 23:31:20 | | so damn sexy |
| 23:31:20 | strayer | ibot mandy? |
| 23:31:29 | mandy | hehe |
| 23:31:42 | | scanline is at mailto:micah@navi.picogui.org or the original author of PicoGUI |
| 23:31:42 | doughecka | ibot scanline? |
| 23:31:46 | strayer | hehe... |
| 23:31:52 | | Mr. Aphenphosmphobia |
| 23:31:52 | doughecka | ibot captain_proton? |
| 23:32:02 | | a sexy little man |
| 23:32:02 | mandy | ibot strayer? |
| 23:32:09 | mandy | ;) |
| 23:32:18 | scanline | doobeedoo... |
| 23:32:20 | | ACTION pukes over doughecka |
| 23:32:20 | doughecka | ibot puke |
| 23:32:24 | | ACTION burps softly |
| 23:32:24 | doughecka | ibot burp |
| 23:32:27 | | ACTION sings off key |
| 23:32:27 | doughecka | ibot sing |
| 23:32:32 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 23:32:32 | doughecka | ibot kill |
| 23:32:58 | | doughecka: i'm not following you... |
| 23:32:58 | doughecka | ibot binary |
| 23:33:01 | | hmmm... computer is Technically, this is anything that inputs data, processes it in some way, and outputs it. |
| 23:33:01 | doughecka | ibot computer |
| 23:33:33 | | doughecka: I forgot computer |
| 23:33:33 | doughecka | ibot forget computer |
| 23:33:34 | | OK, doughecka. |
| 23:33:34 | doughecka | ibot computer is <reply> Technically, this is anything that inputs data, processes it in some way, and outputs it. |
| 23:33:41 | | Technically, this is anything that inputs data, processes it in some way, and outputs it. |
| 23:33:41 | doughecka | ibot computer? |
| 23:34:12 | | mandy: I forgot strayer |
| 23:34:12 | mandy | ibot forget strayer |
| 23:34:14 | | i think apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com |
| 23:34:14 | doughecka | ibot apple? |
| 23:34:31 | | OK, mandy. |
| 23:34:31 | mandy | ibot strayer is <reply> very very sexyyy |
| 23:34:31 | strayer | forget me? |
| 23:34:40 | | very very sexyyy |
| 23:34:40 | mandy | ibot strayer? |
| 23:34:45 | mandy | hehehe |
| 23:34:47 | strayer | ;9 |
| 23:35:04 | | doughecka: I forgot apple |
| 23:35:04 | doughecka | ibot forget apple |
| 23:35:04 | | OK, doughecka. |
| 23:35:04 | doughecka | ibot apple is <reply> apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com |
| 23:35:08 | | apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com |
| 23:35:08 | doughecka | ibot apple? |
| 23:35:53 | | quake is roo |
| 23:35:53 | doughecka | ibot quake? |
| 23:35:57 | doughecka | k |
| 23:36:08 | | doughecka: what? |
| 23:36:08 | doughecka | ibot ie |
| 23:36:13 | | microsoft is evil! |
| 23:36:13 | doughecka | ibot microsoft? |
| 23:36:18 | | i think bill gates is lord of Darkness |
| 23:36:18 | doughecka | ibot bill gates? |
| 23:38:43 | | i haven't a clue, doughecka |
| 23:38:43 | doughecka | ibot darkness? |
| 23:38:49 | | ACTION is so dumb it hurts the hardware to think |
| 23:38:49 | doughecka | ibot ibot? |
| 23:38:56 | | infobot is http://infobot.org/ |
| 23:38:56 | doughecka | ibot infobot? |
| 23:39:06 | | well, beep is beep |
| 23:39:06 | doughecka | ibot beep |
| 23:39:10 | | pong |
| 23:39:10 | doughecka | ibot ping |
| 23:39:14 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 23:39:14 | doughecka | ibot pong |
| 23:39:16 | mandy | lol |
| 23:39:17 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 23:39:28 | doughecka | hurry up patlabor221! log back in! |
| 23:39:37 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 19 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: see ya all [Sat Sep 7 00:20:03 2002] |
| 23:39:37 | doughecka | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 23:39:38 | mandy | he's at work =\ |
| 23:39:42 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:39:47 | doughecka | hes going to his second work |
| 23:39:55 | doughecka | so he should pop back up some time |
| 23:40:13 | mandy | i think he said he isn't allowed to anymore |
| 23:40:23 | mandy | he got in trouble |
| 23:42:07 | | wish i knew, mandy |
| 23:42:07 | mandy | ibot doughecka? |
| 23:42:36 | | OK, mandy. |
| 23:42:36 | mandy | ibot doughecka is <reply> really very stupid |
| 23:42:47 | | really very stupid |
| 23:42:47 | mandy | ibot doughecka? |
| 23:43:03 | | doughecka: I forgot doughecka |
| 23:43:04 | doughecka | ibot forget doughecka |
| 23:43:28 | | doughecka, I didn't have anything matching 'doughecka' |
| 23:43:28 | doughecka | ibot forget doughecka |
| 23:43:30 | | OK, doughecka. |
| 23:43:30 | doughecka | ibot doughecka is <reply> MUAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA |
| 23:43:59 | | MUAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA |
| 23:43:59 | mandy | ibot doughecka? |
| 23:44:06 | mandy | ....=/ |
| 23:44:23 | doughecka | is gonna rip all his quicktime movies to divx |
| 23:47:42 | mandy | fudge |
| 23:52:05 | mandy | hey pat is on aim |
| 23:53:19 | doughecka | oh? |
| 23:53:20 | doughecka | where |
| 23:53:23 | doughecka | what is his aim? |
| 23:53:31 | mandy | his aim? |
| 23:53:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:53:59 | mandy | hold on |
| 23:55:01 | doughecka | patlabor221!!!! |
| 23:55:03 | mandy | there |
| 23:55:19 | patlabor221 | that is I |
| 23:55:30 | doughecka | you ship that dvd drive yet? |
| 23:55:30 | patlabor221 | in my might and glory |
| 23:55:33 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:55:35 | doughecka | good! |
| 23:55:41 | doughecka | could you change the address? |
| 23:55:44 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 23:55:47 | patlabor221 | just mail me |
| 23:55:54 | doughecka | k |
| 23:55:58 | doughecka | whew |
| 23:56:25 | doughecka | what email? |
| 23:56:36 | patlabor221 | the same one I allways use |
| 23:56:40 | patlabor221 | I try to only keep one |
| 23:56:47 | doughecka | gibbs? |
| 23:56:48 | doughecka | k |
| 23:56:54 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 23:57:32 | doughecka | dad dont work there any more... |
| 23:57:33 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:57:53 | patlabor221 | get canned? |
| 23:57:56 | mandy | lalala |
| 23:58:11 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:58:14 | doughecka | he did not really work there |
| 23:58:22 | patlabor221 | an imposter?????? |
| 23:58:23 | doughecka | but he was a contractor... |
| 23:58:27 | patlabor221 | guards...... |
| 23:58:30 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:58:36 | mandy | bleh |
| 23:58:45 | doughecka | but he wont work for them anylonger... |
| 23:59:05 | patlabor221 | cus they cought on to them huhh |
| 23:59:21 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:59:22 | doughecka | no |
