| 00:00:59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:01:27 | doughecka | nothing else wierd |
| 00:44:47 | patlabor221 | see that's what he gets for changing my title :) |
| 00:47:36 | patlabor221 | wonders how much a little iMac costs on ebay |
| 01:01:08 | patlabor221 | off to the batcave |
| 01:16:56 | captain_proton | wb Patlabor221 |
| 01:16:58 | captain_proton | how's the cave? |
| 01:17:15 | Patlabor221 | as cool as it should be |
| 01:17:24 | Patlabor221 | gota update the bat computer tho |
| 01:17:33 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 01:17:57 | captain_proton | grr @ 'CTime.h' just because windows is braindead about case |
| 01:18:11 | Patlabor221 | Iguess |
| 01:18:32 | Patlabor221 | hmm it seems the bat-root filesystem has bat-errors |
| 01:18:34 | captain_proton | renames as Time.h :) |
| 01:18:47 | Patlabor221 | I allray have a time.h |
| 01:19:11 | captain_proton | m_liFrequency.QuadPart = 0; <-- ? |
| 01:19:14 | captain_proton | QuadPart? |
| 01:19:20 | Patlabor221 | it's a 64 bit int |
| 01:19:23 | captain_proton | but do you have a Time.h? |
| 01:19:34 | Patlabor221 | no, but to us tis the same |
| 01:19:46 | Patlabor221 | as well as on the 'tosh |
| 01:20:22 | captain_proton | what is QuadPart? |
| 01:20:31 | Patlabor221 | one mement |
| 01:20:35 | Patlabor221 | looking it up |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | typedef union _LARGE_INTEGER { |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | struct { |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | DWORD LowPart; |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | LONG HighPart; |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | }; |
| 01:23:08 | Patlabor221 | LONGLONG QuadPart; |
| 01:23:10 | Patlabor221 | } LARGE_INTEGER, *PLARGE_INTEGER |
| 01:23:13 | Patlabor221 | hmm it's a LONG LONG |
| 01:23:22 | Patlabor221 | that's a big long |
| 01:24:53 | captain_proton | do you need the LARGE_INTEGER stuff or could you just use long long? |
| 01:25:37 | Patlabor221 | all I ever use is that quadpart |
| 01:25:47 | Patlabor221 | so you can just use a long long |
| 01:26:05 | Patlabor221 | I just get those things back from quesry performance counter |
| 01:26:11 | Patlabor221 | I can pralby cast tho |
| 01:26:48 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 01:26:51 | captain_proton | is wondering about this |
| 01:27:15 | captain_proton | can you get me descriptions of QueryPerformanceFrequency() and QueryPerformanceCounter()? |
| 01:29:16 | Patlabor221 | let me also see if it's on the mSDN web |
| 01:29:53 | Patlabor221 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wcekernl/htm/cerefQueryPerformanceFrequency.asp |
| 01:30:01 | Patlabor221 | and http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wcekernl/htm/cerefqueryperformancecounter.asp |
| 01:34:58 | Patlabor221 | what does BZ use? |
| 01:35:26 | captain_proton | bz uses its own TimeKeeper class |
| 01:35:45 | Patlabor221 | but what does it use internaly on windows and lin? |
| 01:36:13 | Patlabor221 | this is my feeble atempt to keep us "on topic" so feel no need to answer :) |
| 01:38:48 | captain_proton | screw on topic |
| 01:39:33 | Patlabor221 | hums to himself... "the wheels on the jet fighter go round and round" |
| 01:39:42 | captain_proton | grins |
| 01:41:11 | Patlabor221 | I am looking for all the ship designs I had found around at one point |
| 01:41:20 | Patlabor221 | when I was gonna make my space shooter |
| 01:41:25 | Patlabor221 | so you can see them all |
| 01:41:37 | captain_proton | space shooter? |
| 01:41:41 | Patlabor221 | da |
| 01:41:42 | captain_proton | like xwing style? |
| 01:41:48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:41:54 | Patlabor221 | top down |
| 01:41:57 | Patlabor221 | multiplayer |
| 01:41:59 | captain_proton | ah |
| 01:42:14 | Patlabor221 | but it has since evolved into BZA\ |
| 01:42:57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:43:41 | captain_proton | does GetTime() return the time since Init() was called or can it return the amount of time that the programm has been running? |
| 01:43:53 | Patlabor221 | init |
| 01:44:02 | captain_proton | k |
| 01:44:14 | Patlabor221 | so that you can reset it when new games start |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | so do i need to call this CTime.(h|cpp|a) ? |
| 01:52:15 | Patlabor221 | for it to work on windows yeah |
| 01:52:21 | Patlabor221 | I hate it too |
| 01:52:39 | Patlabor221 | or Timmer.h |
| 01:52:41 | Patlabor221 | if you want |
| 01:52:46 | Patlabor221 | then it can be consistent |
| 01:53:36 | captain_proton | include/: |
| 01:53:36 | captain_proton | 3dTypes.h CTime.h LGE.h Model.h TextureMngr.h ViewCull.h |
| 01:53:36 | captain_proton | lib: |
| 01:53:36 | captain_proton | CTime.a LGE.a TextureManager.a |
| 01:53:39 | captain_proton | :) |
| 01:53:46 | captain_proton | Timmer.h? |
| 01:53:49 | captain_proton | can't even be Timer.h? |
| 01:56:27 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:56:34 | Patlabor221 | just my mistype :) |
| 01:57:42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/ships.jpg |
| 01:57:45 | Patlabor221 | take your pick |
| 01:58:09 | Patlabor221 | on a style type |
| 01:58:21 | Patlabor221 | they can't look exactly like those |
| 01:58:26 | Patlabor221 | cus I didn't make those |
| 01:59:50 | captain_proton | i like them all :) |
| 02:00:13 | Patlabor221 | Iike the hornet and the AF |
| 02:00:16 | Patlabor221 | they are difrent |
| 02:01:09 | captain_proton | the executioner and vampire aren't that good |
| 02:01:10 | Patlabor221 | best thing I ever did was to offer to host the robotech technical archaives, tons of great designes in there |
| 02:01:22 | captain_proton | but the other 4 are |
| 02:01:24 | Patlabor221 | this is trye |
| 02:01:49 | Patlabor221 | AF5 would be easyest to model |
| 02:02:02 | Patlabor221 | proalby change the front a bit tho |
| 02:11:34 | sussudio | can anyone look what the hell is going on on one.bzflag.org? |
| 02:11:51 | sussudio | purple is flickering on the screen and changing teams on the fly? |
| 02:11:56 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 02:12:02 | sussudio | indeed |
| 02:12:38 | sussudio | 1.7e1?? can you still play with that? |
| 02:14:33 | Patlabor221 | amazing I don't even have 1.7 anymore |
| 02:14:57 | sussudio | do you see the purple flickering? |
| 02:15:05 | captain_proton | yeah, i saw |
| 02:15:13 | captain_proton | i don't have admin there unfortunately |
| 02:15:38 | sussudio | any idea what the heck is going on? |
| 02:16:03 | captain_proton | could be a *really* crappy network connection |
| 02:16:10 | captain_proton | or an attempt at a hack that isn't working that well |
| 02:16:17 | sussudio | with both purples? |
| 02:16:37 | sussudio | ohwell i'm gone there. |
| 03:03:03 | captain_proton | wb patlabor221 |
| 03:03:16 | captain_proton | full? |
| 03:03:39 | patlabor221 | I am refuled |
| 03:12:50 | patlabor221 | cap what is your target poly count? |
| 03:13:29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:13:32 | captain_proton | i dunno |
| 03:13:55 | captain_proton | i want to use shaders and such so gf3 minimum :) |
| 03:14:35 | patlabor221 | k |
| 03:15:34 | patlabor221 | wish my printer worked |
| 03:16:32 | captain_proton | the idea of cat girls is beginning to grow on me |
| 03:16:41 | captain_proton | because nobody will expect a dark story associated with it |
| 03:20:53 | patlabor221 | and they are hot :) |
| 03:21:20 | patlabor221 | I must go ponder how to make these ships |
| 03:21:27 | patlabor221 | there are sketches to be had |
| 03:40:09 | mandy | hi people |
| 03:40:28 | Widget | hihihi, mandy. |
| 03:40:40 | mandy | hihihi.Widget |
| 03:52:53 | jp_zZzZ | gnights. |
| 03:53:05 | Widget | Nite, jp_zZzZ. |
| 08:05:32 | CLQ | Hi ibot |
| 08:16:07 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 09:04:54 | akira_ | moin |
| 09:32:33 | akira_ | moin tim |
| 11:53:02 | akira_ | moin Cell_prog_insect |
| 12:02:59 | Cell_prog_insect | hi |
| 12:03:22 | Cell_prog_insect | just looking for a tool for 3d studio max that genarates light maps |
| 13:04:29 | jpablo | buenos dias ! |
| 13:40:56 | akira_ | tach |
| 14:11:12 | m0nkey_b0y | mornin |
| 14:45:13 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:45:13 | jpablo | ibot: ducati ? |
| 14:45:15 | bzbot | bomber (penguins) (G): 30 (132-102). damn (R): 2 (14-12). ggg (G): -7 (5-12). okapi le sanguinaire (R): -8 (3-11). tscherkan (G): -13 (8-21). Rawen Ra (R): 42 (97-55). |
| 15:02:28 | akira_ | moin you 2 |
| 15:02:49 | akira_ | forced performer today to render into pbuffers :)) |
| 15:04:02 | bzdoug_geforce | hey patlabor221! |
| 15:04:21 | patlabor221 | wow, he put his card name in his nick, that is kinda sad :) |
| 15:04:27 | bzdoug_geforce | hmm |
| 15:04:30 | bzdoug_geforce | I am on 2 computers |
| 15:04:44 | bzduug | k |
| 15:05:30 | bzduug | I tried to get dual monitors with my S3 card, but I cant find drivers for it |
| 15:05:33 | bzduug | :( |
| 15:06:00 | bzduug | seems to me that Number Nine went belly up |
| 15:06:15 | patlabor221 | they did |
| 15:06:28 | bzduug | and even though drivers are included in windows 2000, I cant get it to work... |
| 15:06:29 | patlabor221 | only run 2 cards from the same MFG |
| 15:06:32 | patlabor221 | ttust me |
| 15:06:34 | bzduug | oh |
| 15:06:42 | bzduug | frowns |
| 15:06:42 | patlabor221 | the defalut 2k drivers don't support it |
| 15:06:45 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:06:55 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:06:58 | patlabor221 | get a gf2mx PCI |
| 15:07:01 | patlabor221 | or a TNT |
| 15:07:08 | bzduug | are thos cheap? |
| 15:07:13 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:07:16 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:07:17 | patlabor221 | like 30 |
| 15:07:22 | bzduug | er |
| 15:07:28 | bzduug | I shall get a new mobo first |
| 15:07:46 | bzduug | that mobo that you have... it has a onboard video? |
| 15:08:07 | patlabor221 | what mobo? |
| 15:08:20 | bzduug | hmm, the athlon XP one... |
| 15:08:25 | patlabor221 | no |
| 15:08:27 | patlabor221 | god no |
| 15:08:30 | bzduug | oh |
| 15:08:37 | bzduug | Mmmm |
| 15:08:42 | patlabor221 | I would never use a system that had that |
| 15:08:58 | bzduug | even if it had Nvidia chip in it? |
| 15:09:05 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:09:09 | bzduug | Mmm |
| 15:09:26 | patlabor221 | are you talking about the NForce? |
| 15:09:38 | bzduug | oh well, I guess I shall go off and get a mobo, the 333 celeron aint gonna cut it |
| 15:09:41 | bzduug | um, maybe |
| 15:09:48 | patlabor221 | I've never used one |
| 15:09:52 | patlabor221 | they are expensive |
| 15:09:54 | bzduug | I saw a board with nvidia... |
| 15:09:57 | bzduug | oh, ok |
| 15:10:00 | bzduug | ;) |
| 15:10:02 | patlabor221 | yeah that's the southbridge |
| 15:10:07 | bzduug | ahh |
| 15:10:17 | patlabor221 | learn about what you are gonna buy before you buy it |
| 15:10:17 | bzduug | hm, p2501 runs great now |
| 15:10:26 | patlabor221 | it dosn't have a GF2 on it |
| 15:10:32 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:10:41 | bzduug | well, let me find that link again |
| 15:10:43 | patlabor221 | it uses the nforce chipset to do it |
| 15:10:51 | patlabor221 | it's the same speed as a GF@ |
| 15:10:57 | bzduug | oh |
| 15:10:58 | patlabor221 | but it will slow down the system |
| 15:10:58 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:11:17 | patlabor221 | it's allways better to offload the video to a dedicated processor |
| 15:11:23 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:11:24 | bzduug | ;) |
| 15:11:25 | patlabor221 | nvidia did the same thing intell did, just better |
| 15:11:31 | bzduug | hehe |
| 15:11:41 | patlabor221 | the 810/815 is not a video card |
| 15:11:57 | patlabor221 | even runing the onboard sound can slow down slow systems |
| 15:12:03 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:12:04 | patlabor221 | but not by much |
| 15:12:10 | patlabor221 | so you usualy don't notice |
| 15:12:14 | patlabor221 | video is worse |
| 15:12:15 | bzduug | its like a Winmodem, it does not do anything |
| 15:12:24 | bzduug | but its like a bridge |
| 15:12:25 | patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 15:12:31 | bzduug | the comp does all the thinkin |
| 15:12:41 | bzduug | and the card does alittle conversion.. |
| 15:12:48 | bzduug | HMmmm |
| 15:12:49 | akira_ | onboard sucks always |
| 15:12:58 | akira_ | BUT the processor and the memory :)) |
| 15:13:08 | bzduug | the website that I was gonna get my mobo from is down... |
| 15:13:13 | bzduug | :( |
| 15:13:31 | bzduug | www.tufshop.com? |
| 15:13:37 | bzduug | can anyone get to it? |
| 15:13:57 | | nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 15:13:57 | bzduug | ibot nvidia? |
| 15:14:32 | akira_ | nvidia uses their own kind of dri |
| 15:14:40 | bzduug | heh |
| 15:15:31 | bzduug | slashdot.jp? |
| 15:15:33 | bzduug | hehe |
| 15:17:57 | patlabor221 | you just need to build the nvidia video drivers |
| 15:18:16 | bzduug | ? |
| 15:18:25 | patlabor221 | and doug I don't know if they have linux nfoce soudn srivers |
| 15:18:26 | akira_ | :) from source ? :)) |
| 15:18:29 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:18:38 | patlabor221 | that was the only way I could get it to work |
| 15:18:52 | bzduug | ugh |
| 15:18:55 | patlabor221 | but damn does it work |
| 15:19:45 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:19:55 | bzduug | web still is down... |
| 15:20:12 | bzduug | that was the cheapest place to get it too |
| 15:20:26 | patlabor221 | depends |
| 15:20:34 | patlabor221 | and what board? |
| 15:20:36 | patlabor221 | the ECS? |
| 15:20:50 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:20:53 | akira_ | patlabor221: you have the drivers from nvidia??? as the source???? |
| 15:21:09 | akira_ | or do you mean the little "kernelpackage" ? |
| 15:21:10 | patlabor221 | for the video drivers |
| 15:21:14 | akira_ | ah |
| 15:21:16 | patlabor221 | that thing they have |
| 15:21:18 | akira_ | the little kernelpackage |
| 15:21:20 | patlabor221 | on there site |
| 15:21:26 | patlabor221 | I had to build them |
| 15:21:26 | akira_ | thats not really the "source" .. :) |
| 15:21:30 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:21:32 | akira_ | yah, of course ... |
| 15:21:51 | patlabor221 | what the hell is the point of posting a binary if it don't work tho? |
| 15:21:58 | akira_ | the little interface for the REAL drivers to the kernel to gain maximum performance / access to the hardware ... |
| 15:22:01 | bzduug | hehe |
| 15:22:19 | patlabor221 | that's fine by me, it works |
| 15:22:24 | patlabor221 | and it makes sense |
| 15:22:33 | patlabor221 | it's the interface to there common driver code |
| 15:22:40 | patlabor221 | they do the same thing with DX and GL |
| 15:22:53 | bzduug | does the athlon use plain old ram? |
| 15:23:01 | bzduug | the old athlon |
| 15:23:05 | bzduug | not XP |
| 15:23:12 | patlabor221 | depends on the mobo |
| 15:23:19 | patlabor221 | processors don't ahve ram slots |
| 15:23:23 | patlabor221 | mobos do |
| 15:23:27 | bzduug | haha |
| 15:23:35 | patlabor221 | and why would you want a Tbird or a palimino |
| 15:23:37 | bzduug | yes, but does the anthlon support it? |
| 15:23:46 | patlabor221 | like I said, it's up to the mobo |
| 15:23:50 | bzduug | I was going to get a duron |
| 15:23:53 | patlabor221 | and the rem controller |
| 15:23:56 | bzduug | but I see better prices |
| 15:24:00 | bzduug | ohh |
| 15:24:01 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:24:10 | patlabor221 | an XP 1500 is only like $60 |
| 15:24:25 | patlabor221 | what is your ram tho? PC100 or PC133? |
| 15:24:30 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:24:35 | bzduug | I bet its the old stuff |
| 15:24:40 | bzduug | 817LR/ECS K7AMA - cpu - ATHLON XP 1600+, 1.4GHZ 266MHz and fan - COMBO |
| 15:24:46 | bzduug | $107 |
| 15:24:50 | bzduug | that good? |
| 15:25:06 | patlabor221 | the normal palminos over 1ghz run at 133 mhx system bus, your old ram won't work |
| 15:25:12 | patlabor221 | so do XPS |
| 15:25:25 | bzduug | Mmmm |
| 15:25:28 | patlabor221 | that is the one with the ALI chipset |
| 15:25:30 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 15:25:39 | bzduug | so I would HAVE to get new ram? |
| 15:25:45 | patlabor221 | try for a K7S or K7V |
| 15:25:50 | bzduug | ick? |
| 15:25:51 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:25:55 | patlabor221 | for anything other then a duron yess |
| 15:26:01 | bzduug | oh |
| 15:26:02 | patlabor221 | your ram is too slow |
| 15:26:07 | bzduug | well, I get a duron then? |
| 15:26:21 | patlabor221 | then get the K7s5a |
| 15:26:29 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:26:31 | bzduug | 7AJA2E Retail box 2yr warr 5PCI, 1AGP, 1AMR, ATX, AC97 Codec, VIA KT133A/686B. |
| 15:26:41 | bzduug | $97 |
| 15:26:43 | patlabor221 | what mfG/ |
| 15:26:56 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:27:09 | bzduug | chaintech |
| 15:27:18 | patlabor221 | KT133a is knina old, won't support an XP |
| 15:27:28 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:27:31 | bzduug | but is it good? |
| 15:27:40 | patlabor221 | it's old |
| 15:27:46 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:27:46 | patlabor221 | it is average |
| 15:27:52 | patlabor221 | there are better thigns out now |
| 15:27:52 | bzduug | ahh |
| 15:27:57 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:27:59 | patlabor221 | it's not bad |
| 15:28:03 | patlabor221 | but it's not stelar |
| 15:28:38 | bzduug | how about this: 817LR/ECS K7AMA - cpu - ATHLON XP 1600+, 1.4GHZ 266MHz and fan - COMBO |
| 15:28:40 | bzduug | $107 |
| 15:28:44 | bzduug | good? |
| 15:28:58 | patlabor221 | it's an Ali chipset |
| 15:29:07 | bzduug | and.... |
| 15:29:07 | patlabor221 | and you have to get new ram |
| 15:29:09 | bzduug | its ick? |
| 15:29:13 | bzduug | oh |
| 15:29:14 | bzduug | right |
| 15:29:17 | patlabor221 | I have heard bad things about them |
| 15:29:26 | bzduug | and its PCchips too |
| 15:29:40 | patlabor221 | they make that chipset |
| 15:29:56 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:30:34 | bzduug | 7AJA2E Retail box 2yr warr. Socket A KT133, ATA100, AGP4x,5PCI, 1AMR,3 SDR, ATX,Duron & Tbird CPU -? |
| 15:30:53 | patlabor221 | how much? |
| 15:31:00 | bzduug | 97 |
| 15:31:08 | patlabor221 | for just the MB? |
| 15:31:15 | bzduug | and duron chip |
| 15:31:24 | patlabor221 | 1.3? |
| 15:31:26 | bzduug | with cpu - with cpu - Boxed AMD Duron 1.3GHz, fan, On Board Audio. |
| 15:31:27 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:31:35 | patlabor221 | not horible |
| 15:31:41 | bzduug | Mmm |
| 15:31:43 | patlabor221 | never be able to upgrade it |
| 15:31:49 | bzduug | Hmmm |
| 15:32:05 | bzduug | no$ 87 |
| 15:32:09 | bzduug | :) |
| 15:32:26 | patlabor221 | still dosn't change the fact that you can never put an XP or DDR in it |
| 15:32:38 | bzduug | hmm, so? |
| 15:32:43 | bzduug | 1.3 is very fast for me |
| 15:32:49 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:32:51 | bzduug | if I want XP, I will get a new mobo |
| 15:32:55 | patlabor221 | and ram |
| 15:33:01 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:33:17 | bzduug | is that a good price? |
| 15:33:26 | patlabor221 | yes that's prety good |
| 15:33:31 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:33:34 | bzduug | ok... |
| 15:33:38 | bzduug | its from tufshop too |
| 15:33:40 | bzduug | :( |
| 15:33:44 | bzduug | the website is down.... |
| 15:33:48 | bzduug | bah |
| 15:34:01 | | bzduug? |
| 15:34:01 | bzduug | ibot? |
| 15:34:05 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:34:53 | bzduug | hmm, that will fit into the case... |
| 15:34:55 | bzduug | right? |
| 15:35:07 | patlabor221 | doug you keep asking that |
| 15:35:11 | patlabor221 | I have never seen your case |
| 15:35:19 | bzduug | hmm, this is the mobo in it |
| 15:35:19 | patlabor221 | how can I anwer that |
| 15:35:20 | bzduug | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/products/ga6bxc.htm |
| 15:35:30 | patlabor221 | it says' its a standard ATX |
| 15:35:30 | bzduug | I am using right now |
| 15:35:43 | patlabor221 | use your god damed brain. |
| 15:35:59 | bzduug | ATX, 4 layer PCB (30.7*18cm) |
| 15:36:10 | bzduug | hmmm |
| 15:42:10 | bzduug | ok |
| 15:42:18 | bzduug | what brain? |
| 15:42:58 | sussudio | if you weren't handed one at birth, please join AOL now. |
| 15:43:33 | bzduug | hehe |
| 15:43:36 | bzduug | 7AIA5E Socket A KTE133, ATA100, AGP4x, 3PCI, 1CNR, 2 SDR, uATX, for Duron & Tbird CPU - Retail Box |
| 15:43:44 | bzduug | same price |
| 15:44:01 | sussudio | that sounds kinda dated |
| 15:46:04 | bzduug | Micro ATX Form Factor though, but it should fit in the emachine |
| 15:50:04 | patlabor221 | emachines don't have standard cases |
| 15:50:08 | patlabor221 | so don't count on it |
| 15:50:15 | patlabor221 | spend the $15 on a real case |
| 15:50:36 | akira_ | re |
| 15:50:42 | patlabor221 | shit man, just look at the case, does it look like it will fit |
| 15:50:47 | jpablo | hey akira-san. |
| 15:51:09 | patlabor221 | sussudio he's in kentucky, that overrides AOL |
| 15:51:35 | bzduug | haha |
| 15:52:07 | sussudio | yeah get a $15 case...... spend 6 months wondering why your PC keeps crashing |
| 15:52:20 | sussudio | (hint: cheap-ass PSU) |
| 15:53:39 | bzduug | hehe |
| 15:53:59 | bzduug | hmmm 7AJA2 Retail box 2yr warr.VIA KT133A/686B, 5PCI, 1AGP, 1AMR, ATX, AC97 Codec. |
| 15:54:06 | bzduug | VIA chip good? |
| 15:54:25 | sussudio | snort. |
| 15:54:32 | akira_ | via is good |
| 15:54:37 | bzduug | good |
| 15:54:56 | sussudio | well not really. it's cheap. |
| 15:55:10 | akira_ | whats better for amd? |
| 15:55:14 | akira_ | ali??? muhahar |
| 15:55:27 | sussudio | they still exist? |
| 15:55:32 | akira_ | :) |
| 15:55:37 | akira_ | so what else? |
| 15:55:41 | akira_ | amd ? via is faster |
| 15:55:46 | sussudio | Shit In System? |
| 15:55:53 | akira_ | and abit boards arent cheap |
| 15:56:03 | akira_ | whats better than amd ? intel ? muhahahr |
| 15:56:08 | sussudio | and not consistenly good either |
| 15:56:26 | akira_ | so whats your system of choice |
| 15:56:32 | sussudio | ok just dont buy a soyo or aopen board |
| 15:56:50 | bzduug | hrm |
| 15:56:50 | sussudio | or pctech |
| 15:56:58 | akira_ | buy abit or asus |
| 15:57:04 | sussudio | yeah asus is good |
| 15:57:15 | akira_ | asus use via |
| 15:57:22 | bzduug | chaintech? |
| 15:57:22 | sussudio | aopen really bites |
| 15:57:33 | akira_ | abit rocks all :)) |
| 15:57:39 | bzduug | is chaintech good? |
| 15:57:48 | akira_ | dont know dont care |
| 15:57:51 | sussudio | not sure |
| 15:57:53 | akira_ | abit rocks them all :) |
| 15:57:54 | bzduug | thanks |
| 15:57:58 | bzduug | :) |
| 15:58:06 | akira_ | got one of these lovley abit kg7 ... |
| 15:58:11 | bzduug | yah, but abit is lots 'o money |
| 15:58:22 | akira_ | sussudio: whats your system of choice ... |
| 15:58:29 | akira_ | bzduug: you get what your pay for |
| 15:58:59 | sussudio | akira_: something that doesnt have an nvidia based video card? |
| 15:59:22 | bzduug | hmm |
| 15:59:24 | bzduug | yes |
| 15:59:33 | akira_ | sussudio: thats the graficcard .. i was asking for the mobo ... |
| 15:59:47 | bzduug | I want to pay 100 |
| 15:59:54 | sussudio | i think i already said that..... not soyo, aopen, pcchips..... |
| 16:00:24 | akira_ | you said what not but not what .. no via, no ali, no amd .. what chipset else ? |
| 16:00:38 | sussudio | dunno. use google or something. |
| 16:00:48 | akira_ | ah, google as a mobo |
| 16:00:50 | akira_ | cool |
| 16:00:59 | bzduug | Chipset VIA Apollo KTE 133/686B? |
| 16:01:06 | akira_ | and why not nvidia? |
| 16:01:11 | akira_ | bzduug: its ok |
| 16:01:36 | akira_ | you dont have a real choice bzduug ... ali is not an option and sis neither |
| 16:01:47 | bzduug | - VIA Apollo KTE133/686B two chip AGPset |
| 16:02:14 | bzduug | hmm |
| 16:02:14 | bzduug | k |
| 16:02:55 | patlabor221 | he can't get an Nforce if he wants to use his old ram |
| 16:03:15 | patlabor221 | he wants to stick with PC100 |
| 16:03:39 | patlabor221 | the KTE133 is the standard little durron chipset |
| 16:03:57 | patlabor221 | that's what we are using in our systems we sell |
| 16:04:21 | bzduug | ok then |
| 16:04:21 | bzduug | http://www.target-sale.com/tusa/items/combo/i03095.html |
| 16:04:23 | bzduug | this good? |
| 16:04:40 | sussudio | why stick with pc100? |
| 16:04:56 | bzduug | I have lots of it |
| 16:04:58 | sussudio | you can use pc100 on a pc133 board..... |
| 16:05:03 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:05:15 | patlabor221 | but he can't get a board with DDR |
| 16:05:17 | sussudio | pc100 is noticeable slower than pc133 though |
| 16:05:30 | patlabor221 | that mobo is desidedly average |
| 16:05:37 | bzduug | ok |
| 16:05:44 | bzduug | but it should work ok? |
| 16:05:45 | patlabor221 | well when the CPU is running at 100 mhz |
| 16:05:52 | patlabor221 | he don't realy have a choice |
| 16:06:21 | bzduug | I am average... |
| 16:06:27 | akira_ | cu all |
| 16:06:27 | bzduug | not supoer gamer |
| 16:06:39 | patlabor221 | that will work |
| 16:06:41 | sussudio | just get a videocard that doesnt suck..... |
| 16:06:46 | patlabor221 | he's got a GF2MX |
| 16:06:53 | bzduug | I have a geforce2MX400 |
| 16:06:53 | patlabor221 | again average |
| 16:07:04 | sussudio | ok so you already have a videocard that sucks.... forget that |
| 16:07:24 | patlabor221 | well it's better then his old onboard ram |
| 16:07:32 | bzduug | haha |
| 16:07:56 | sussudio | dont tell me you have a really old harddisk too |
| 16:08:05 | patlabor221 | well for $37 I don't know what else you can get |
| 16:08:16 | patlabor221 | maybe an ATI radio VE |
| 16:08:16 | bzduug | hmm |
| 16:08:18 | bzduug | 3 gig? |
| 16:08:22 | sussudio | patlabor221: almost a tank of gas? |
| 16:08:22 | patlabor221 | 3 |
| 16:08:28 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:08:37 | bzduug | but I have a 40 gig too |
| 16:08:40 | patlabor221 | but the texel throughput on those kinda sucks |
| 16:09:00 | sussudio | i have a radeon 7200 aiw |
| 16:09:12 | patlabor221 | proalby cost more then $37 |
| 16:09:21 | sussudio | dunno. i got it for free |
| 16:09:26 | patlabor221 | I ha ve a GF4TI4400 |
| 16:09:40 | patlabor221 | and a 3 |
| 16:09:41 | patlabor221 | and a 3 |
| 16:09:48 | patlabor221 | and a 2 |
| 16:09:56 | patlabor221 | and a couple 2MXs |
| 16:09:56 | bzduug | and a 1? |
| 16:10:04 | patlabor221 | no don't have the one anymore |
| 16:10:08 | bzduug | wow |
| 16:10:09 | patlabor221 | got a quadro somewhere |
| 16:10:11 | bzduug | you seilling? |
| 16:10:14 | patlabor221 | no |
| 16:10:17 | patlabor221 | those are all in systems |
| 16:10:22 | bzduug | ;) |
| 16:10:24 | bzduug | wow |
| 16:10:26 | bzduug | lotsof computers |
| 16:10:35 | patlabor221 | 2 offices and a house yes |
| 16:10:49 | patlabor221 | and many of the comps have 2 cards |
| 16:10:59 | bzduug | hehe |
| 16:11:04 | patlabor221 | this one has a 4 and a 2mx |
| 16:11:20 | bzduug | wow |
| 16:11:25 | patlabor221 | why wow? |
| 16:11:38 | patlabor221 | I just use the 2MX cus it's a cheap PCI card |
| 16:11:46 | patlabor221 | for the second monitor |
| 16:11:54 | bzduug | lots ;o 3d stuff |
| 16:12:05 | patlabor221 | and it's only a 2 gig P4 with 512 |
| 16:12:13 | bzduug | only |
| 16:12:18 | patlabor221 | yeah only |
| 16:12:41 | patlabor221 | it realy needs a gig of ram |
| 16:12:45 | patlabor221 | or 2 |
| 16:12:55 | bzduug | or 3 |
| 16:13:12 | patlabor221 | unfortonalty it's a gateway and only has 2 slots :( |
| 16:13:27 | bzduug | ooh |
| 16:13:38 | patlabor221 | but hey it's a company comptuter |
| 16:13:46 | bzduug | hehe |
| 16:14:00 | patlabor221 | out app takes about 250 megs of ram to debug |
| 16:14:10 | patlabor221 | and that's not counting the data for the part that's open |
| 16:14:23 | bzduug | wow |
| 16:21:39 | Chestal | hi m0nkey |
| 16:22:13 | m0nkey_b0y | hi chestal |
| 16:23:07 | bzduug | hi m0nkey_b0y |
| 16:24:13 | m0nkey_b0y | hi bzduug |
| 16:26:27 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder if I should goto the cinema now |
| 17:14:25 | [TeA] | C:\WINDOWS>tracert ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 17:14:25 | [TeA] | |
| 17:14:25 | [TeA] | Tracing route to ducati.unix-ag.org [141.99.42.48] |
| 17:14:25 | [TeA] | over a maximum of 30 hops: |
| 17:14:25 | [TeA] | |
| 17:14:27 | [TeA] | 1 2116 ms 1217 ms * 217.5.98.170 |
| 17:14:29 | [TeA] | 2 1965 ms 1161 ms 2507 ms 217.237.157.70 |
| 17:14:31 | [TeA] | 3 * 1097 ms 1837 ms L-gw12.L.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.89.142] |
| 17:14:33 | [TeA] | 4 1076 ms 63 ms 63 ms ir-leipzig2.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.50.1] |
| 17:14:35 | [TeA] | 5 2035 ms 1873 ms 409 ms cr-leipzig1.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.70.1] |
| 17:14:37 | [TeA] | 6 1682 ms 2062 ms 333 ms cr-frankfurt1.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.18.97] |
| 17:14:39 | [TeA] | 7 1621 ms 2069 ms 669 ms ar-marburg1.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.80.42] |
| 17:14:41 | [TeA] | 8 1872 ms 2233 ms 427 ms ar-marburg2.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.81.2] |
| 17:14:43 | [TeA] | 9 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:46 | [TeA] | 10 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:47 | [TeA] | 11 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:49 | [TeA] | 12 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:52 | [TeA] | 13 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:53 | [TeA] | 14 * * * Request timed out. |
| 17:14:55 | [TeA] | 15 |
| 17:15:27 | jpablo | duh, ducati down :-( |
| 17:15:40 | metal_magic | i was there a few moments ago |
| 17:15:49 | metal_magic | approx 2 minutes |
| 17:16:07 | jpablo | Bad Thing(tm) |
| 17:19:01 | metal_magic | hi widget |
| 17:19:07 | jpablo | hey [Cocoa]Widget. |
| 17:19:08 | Widget | metal_magic: Hi. |
| 17:19:12 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo. |
| 17:19:19 | Widget | No [GNUStep]Widget? |
| 17:19:34 | Widget | metal_magic: The BBC says that parts of Prague are being evacuated. |
| 17:19:37 | Widget | metal_magic: Due to floods. |
| 17:19:42 | metal_magic | yes |
| 17:19:51 | Widget | How bad is it? |
| 17:20:06 | metal_magic | i am not there |
| 17:20:11 | metal_magic | here in Brno it is OK |
| 17:20:21 | [TeA] | nice |
| 17:20:21 | metal_magic | but rains and rains ... :-) |
| 17:20:23 | [TeA] | metal |
| 17:20:25 | [TeA] | so |
| 17:20:25 | metal_magic | :-( |
| 17:20:28 | Widget | I know, but you would know how bad it is in Prague. |
| 17:20:29 | [TeA] | wgars with my lag |
| 17:20:30 | jpablo | Widget: well a gnustep widget is mostyl a [NS]Widget.. |
| 17:20:33 | Widget | Yes, it's raining here too. |
| 17:20:53 | metal_magic | it is really bad in Prague |
| 17:21:27 | Widget | Any permanent damage to historic buildings? |
| 17:21:27 | metal_magic | there haven't been so much water more than 100 years ago there |
| 17:21:39 | [TeA] | hehiho |
| 17:21:59 | metal_magic | Widget: don't know, hope no |
| 17:22:39 | Widget | They also say floods are threatening Vienna... 6 Germans and Austrians have been killed by floods. |
| 17:22:40 | Widget | Eep. |
| 17:25:59 | metal_magic | http://www.praha.cz/zpravy/archiv/20020813_0211.htm |
| 17:27:41 | Widget | Wow. |
| 17:28:24 | Widget | Brno is completely safe? |
| 17:28:42 | metal_magic | for this moment yes |
| 17:28:47 | metal_magic | and i guess it will |
| 17:28:56 | Widget | That's good. |
| 17:29:01 | Widget | It's on higher ground than Prague? |
| 17:29:08 | patlabor221 | that's a lot of water |
| 17:29:10 | jpablo | damn, what are we supposed to do if ducati is down ? |
| 17:29:13 | metal_magic | don't think so |
| 17:29:16 | jpablo | do we have a emergency plan ? |
| 17:29:59 | metal_magic | text bzflag |
| 17:30:01 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 17:30:10 | Widget | There's going to be a match? |
| 17:30:11 | metal_magic | the shot is coming ... uff |
| 17:30:24 | metal_magic | another one ... shit i got it :-) |
| 17:30:27 | Widget | Oh, yes, everyone heard the loops disbanded? |
| 17:30:48 | jpablo | uh, why ? |
| 17:30:58 | Widget | I don't know. |
| 17:31:03 | metal_magic | no i didn't |
| 17:31:05 | jpablo | when ? |
| 17:31:07 | metal_magic | is it really true |
| 17:31:08 | metal_magic | ? |
| 17:31:14 | Widget | On all of CapN's messages to our team, his name is now listed as "please delete me". |
| 17:31:15 | Widget | It's true! |
| 17:31:36 | Widget | Two days ago at night (my time) Chestal noticed that they were disbanded. |
| 17:32:13 | jpablo | humm. |
| 17:32:58 | Widget | This isn't fair! |
| 17:33:01 | jpablo | Bad Thing(tm). |
| 17:33:04 | Widget | We're second place without fighting for it! |
| 17:33:27 | Widget | Now the Moles will crush everyone. |
| 17:33:45 | jpablo | don't be so sure :p |
| 17:34:08 | jpablo | well guglmty is mostyle disbanded too :\ |
| 17:34:14 | jpablo | life hit everyone in the team. |
| 17:34:35 | Widget | Hm. |
| 17:34:37 | Widget | Nooooo! |
| 17:34:39 | metal_magic | Widget: you are bz, am i right? |
| 17:34:41 | Widget | The league is dying! |
| 17:34:44 | Widget | metal_magic: Ya. |
| 17:34:55 | metal_magic | the league is not dying |
| 17:35:56 | Widget | Will there be a match to-day? |
| 17:36:18 | metal_magic | not with us |
| 17:40:20 | metal_magic | and what the other members of loops? |
| 17:41:05 | Widget | Dunno. |
| 17:41:11 | Widget | Kono, Bamf and m0nkey_b0y. |
| 17:42:40 | Widget | captain_proton: I found a wonderful program that would have helped me with the maze.... http://www.astrolog.org/labyrnth/daedalus.htm |
| 17:43:07 | patlabor221 | it makes mazes? |
| 17:43:14 | Widget | And it solves them. |
| 17:43:18 | Widget | Using various algorithms. |
| 17:43:22 | Widget | And it does it step by step. |
| 17:43:25 | Widget | And shows you how to do it. |
| 17:43:37 | Widget | It supports lots of maze solving algorithms. |
| 17:43:40 | patlabor221 | amd shows it in 3d :) |
| 17:44:00 | Widget | That too. |
| 17:46:16 | Widget | Wine runs it perfectly. |
| 17:47:09 | patlabor221 | what does it use for 3d? software? |
| 17:47:17 | Widget | I dunno. |
| 17:47:23 | Widget | I haven't figured out how to do 3d yet. |
| 17:47:43 | patlabor221 | it's not that hard if you use an API |
| 17:48:44 | Widget | I wonder if you can make your own maps for this. |
| 17:55:37 | Widget | How did you manage to search for A* in Google? |
| 17:56:56 | captain_proton | A star |
| 17:58:47 | captain_proton | A* is just taking dijkstra's algorithm a tiny bit further |
| 18:00:38 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmm, is the menu stuff in bza supposed to do hovers? |
| 18:13:36 | Widget | What's a heuristic estimate function? |
| 18:13:59 | captain_proton | basically it makes some educated guesses to try to speed it up |
| 18:14:00 | Widget | And also, why is a breadth-first search more efficient than a depth-first search? |
| 18:14:27 | captain_proton | breadth-first isn't necessarily more efficient, but it will find the most efficient path |
| 18:14:45 | Widget | Oh, I see. |
| 18:15:37 | captain_proton | the problems with heuristics is that if your guess is wrong, it can take a LONG time to recover |
| 18:17:41 | Widget | Hm.. many of these examples have to do with the "8 puzzle"... is the A* pathfinding algorithm the same algorithm applied to mazes? |
| 18:18:40 | captain_proton | A* can be applied to lots of things |
| 18:18:43 | captain_proton | mazes, text searches |
| 18:19:09 | captain_proton | A* is probably the most common algorithm used in RTS-type games |
| 18:19:56 | Widget | http://www.geocities.com/jheyesjones/astar.html << (I understand f (g+h) and g (distance from start state)... what's h)? |
| 18:21:19 | Widget | h is the Nilsson's sequence score apparently, but I don't see how it's arrived that. |
| 18:23:55 | captain_proton | its another algorithm to make the 'guess' |
| 18:23:57 | Widget | Do you have to use a different heuristic for pathfinding? |
| 18:26:44 | captain_proton | pokes patlabor221 |
| 18:27:02 | Widget | Hm... what's this conio.h that the findpath.cpp example includes. |
| 18:27:42 | captain_proton | hmm, i think its for kbhit() |
| 18:27:56 | Widget | How come I don't hav eit? |
| 18:27:59 | Widget | stlastar.h:7: conio.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:28:06 | captain_proton | because you're not on windows ;) |
| 18:28:14 | Widget | Gr... |
| 18:28:17 | Widget | I'll just comment it out. |
| 18:30:53 | Widget | Hm. Errors. |
| 18:31:00 | Widget | He claims it ran in gcc 2.55! |
| 18:31:42 | Widget | I can't use gcc.. when I try running it, it says gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 18:32:41 | captain_proton | no cc1plus?! |
| 18:33:04 | Widget | It used to work! I must have gotten rid of it by mistake! |
| 18:33:12 | Widget | And apt-cache search cc1plus gives nothing! |
| 18:33:12 | captain_proton | oops ;) |
| 18:33:24 | captain_proton | cc1plus will be part of the gcc package |
| 18:33:43 | captain_proton | try locating it |
| 18:33:58 | Widget | Oh... I recently upgraded to gcc-3.1. |
| 18:34:32 | Widget | Ah, it works now. |
| 18:34:42 | Widget | It fixed the install. |
| 18:34:44 | Widget | Clever Debian. |
| 18:35:51 | Widget | Can I safely comment conio.h out? |
| 18:36:01 | captain_proton | possibly |
| 18:36:18 | Widget | ../fsa/fsa.h: In method `FixedSizeAllocator<USER_TYPE>::FixedSizeAllocator(unsigned int = FixedSizeAllocator<USER_TYPE>::FSA_DEFAULT_SIZE)': |
| 18:36:18 | Widget | ../fsa/fsa.h:55: parse error before `]' |
| 18:36:28 | captain_proton | show me that line |
| 18:36:55 | Widget | char *pMem = new char[ m_MaxElements * sizeof FSA_ELEMENT ]; |
| 18:37:04 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:37:08 | captain_proton | make it sizeof(FSA_ELEMENT) |
| 18:37:12 | Widget | Do I need parantheses? |
| 18:37:13 | Widget | Yah. |
| 18:37:39 | Widget | Aaaaaaah! |
| 18:37:45 | Widget | Lots of linking errors. |
| 18:37:55 | Widget | Mostly this sort: |
| 18:37:56 | Widget | /tmp/ccMa9nKx.o(.text+0xa6): undefined reference to `cout' |
| 18:37:56 | Widget | /tmp/ccMa9nKx.o(.text+0xab): undefined reference to `ostream::operator<<(char const *)' |
| 18:38:04 | Widget | /tmp/ccMa9nKx.o(.text+0x488): undefined reference to `endl(ostream &)' |
| 18:38:05 | captain_proton | are you compiling with g++>? |
| 18:38:19 | Widget | No. |
| 18:38:23 | captain_proton | use it |
| 18:38:36 | Widget | Oh, that worked. |
| 18:41:40 | Widget | Hm... I donnae understand he format of this map. |
| 18:52:35 | metal_magic | is there anyone using any video capture program here? |
| 19:01:12 | Widget | CapN!!!! |
| 19:01:16 | Widget | hihihihihihihihi |
| 19:01:24 | CapN | hi widget |
| 19:01:36 | Widget | CapN: What's the meaning of this farce? Why is your name on the league "please delete me"? Why is the Froot Loops disbanded? |
| 19:02:10 | CapN | farce? its not a farce, team is no longer |
| 19:02:15 | Widget | Why not!?!? |
| 19:02:31 | CapN | well.....to be honest i'm not really sure... |
| 19:02:43 | Widget | Oh. |
| 19:02:54 | Widget | You just felt like clicking that "Disband" button? |
| 19:02:55 | CapN | we had 1 member who was having doubts about wanting to play CTF anymore.. |
| 19:02:59 | CapN | hold on |
| 19:03:29 | captain_proton | decks for everyone! |
| 19:03:49 | CapN | so in talking to him another member just decided the team didnt "feel" right anymore and he left |
| 19:03:58 | CapN | after that, the other guy left, then.. |
| 19:04:07 | CapN | i went "poof" and made it all go away |
| 19:04:14 | CapN | sad huh |
| 19:04:53 | Widget | Er.... odd. |
| 19:04:59 | CapN | very |
| 19:05:00 | Widget | It didn't "feel" right? |
| 19:05:32 | CapN | well....the one guy was having issues with playing ctf anymore, and it seemed like |
| 19:05:41 | captain_proton | who was having issues? |
| 19:05:45 | CapN | he really wanted out but didnt dare say so, make sense? |
| 19:06:12 | Widget | Ya.... so how come the second? |
| 19:06:21 | CapN | better not say captain, you will probably see them all individually ok? |
| 19:06:33 | CapN | cuz of the first |
| 19:06:43 | CapN | and our 4th guy isnt around much |
| 19:06:55 | Widget | So the second wanted to leave too, and was pushed over the edge by the first. |
| 19:07:05 | Widget | m0nkey_b0y. |
| 19:07:40 | CapN | yeah, mb just isnt into CTF anymore i guess |
| 19:07:42 | captain_proton | i just wanna know if its a possibility for me to scoop up mb ;) |
| 19:07:44 | captain_proton | aww |
| 19:07:48 | captain_proton | *shrug* |
| 19:07:49 | CapN | sorry |
| 19:07:55 | CapN | you can ask though |
| 19:08:00 | Widget | Yay, m0nkey_b0y was a wild guess. :) |
| 19:08:23 | CapN | please talk to him directly though widget ok |
| 19:08:27 | Widget | Ya. |
| 19:08:33 | Widget | Oh, ya... he told me... |
| 19:08:37 | CapN | dont want to upset anyone, any further |
| 19:08:39 | Widget | That he wanted a vacation from CTF. |
| 19:08:42 | CapN | cool |
| 19:09:09 | Widget | Create a decks league, and recreate the loops. :) |
| 19:09:29 | CapN | loops are done, gone forever :( |
| 19:09:36 | Widget | They don't even want to do decks? |
| 19:09:55 | Widget | Hm... this findpath.cpp was easy to figure out until it came to that evil data structure that isn't found in C... class MapSearchNode |
| 19:10:05 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:10:07 | bzdougy | is the loops trademark up for grabs? |
| 19:10:17 | CapN | :) |
| 19:10:18 | bzdougy | ;) |
| 19:10:33 | CapN | so captain, i'm not good enough for your team :) |
| 19:10:34 | Widget | Froot Loops II? |
| 19:10:49 | bzdougy | hmm |
| 19:10:49 | captain_proton | CapN: didn't say that |
| 19:10:51 | captain_proton | you interested? |
| 19:11:00 | Widget | captain_proton: You're shameless. |
| 19:11:10 | captain_proton | Widget: i know |
| 19:11:34 | Widget | What does a public: mean in a class? |
| 19:11:44 | CapN | actually, BadAss definitely wants to stay involved in the league Ctf etc so.. |
| 19:11:44 | captain_proton | lemme excuse myself - i wanted mb because i invited him at the beginning of the league |
| 19:12:04 | CapN | if you are looking for someone he might be interested. |
| 19:12:06 | captain_proton | Widget: anything within the public: block can be accessed by other people |
| 19:12:32 | captain_proton | public and private data members allow the author of the class to hide the internals |
| 19:12:32 | Widget | captain_proton: Why are there functions within a class? |
| 19:12:44 | captain_proton | Widget: um - thats the entire point of a class |
| 19:12:54 | Widget | Oh. |
| 19:12:55 | captain_proton | the object has member functions that can act on it |
| 19:12:58 | Widget | I thought they were like structs. |
| 19:13:16 | captain_proton | they're like structs with functions, data hiding and inheritance |
| 19:13:39 | CapN | alright guys, cya later. You probably wont be seeing me out there playing anymore so pass along my farewells to everyone ok |
| 19:14:06 | captain_proton | CapN: leaving the game entirely? |
| 19:14:12 | Widget | Bye, CapN. :( |
| 19:14:15 | Widget | You're never coming back? |
| 19:14:16 | CapN | yeah, BZ sebatical |
| 19:14:19 | Patlabor221 | nick patlabor221 |
| 19:14:29 | Widget | We're the last people to ever see you on #bzflag? |
| 19:14:30 | CapN | just spent the past hour deleting all my old clients |
| 19:14:43 | CapN | i think i had versions going back almost 4 years!!!!! |
| 19:14:43 | Widget | Will you ever return!?!? Don't leave, capn!!!!! |
| 19:14:45 | captain_proton | CapN: you'll be back. they always are |
| 19:14:53 | Widget | Like Laz. |
| 19:14:53 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yo |
| 19:15:15 | bzdougy | :) |
| 19:15:20 | CapN | well, it will be awhile though Captain so seriously guys take care |
| 19:15:26 | captain_proton | you too |
| 19:15:42 | bzdougy | cya |
| 19:15:47 | Widget | See you, CapN. :( |
| 19:15:57 | | capn was last seen on #bzflag 37 seconds ago, saying: well, it will be awhile though Captain so seriously guys take care [Tue Aug 13 20:15:20 2002] |
| 19:15:57 | Widget | ibot: seen capn |
| 19:16:53 | bzdug | hey patlabor221 ! |
| 19:17:30 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:17:32 | | yes, bzdug? |
| 19:17:32 | bzdug | ibot? |
| 19:17:34 | Widget | MapSearchNode() { x = y = 0; } |
| 19:17:34 | Widget | MapSearchNode( unsigned int px, unsigned int py ) { x=px; y=py; } |
| 19:17:38 | bzdug | ack |
| 19:17:42 | Widget | How come there are two identically named methods within a class? |
| 19:17:45 | bzdug | power is very unstable... |
| 19:17:57 | captain_proton | Widget: they take different arguments |
| 19:18:01 | bzdug | its flickerin... |
| 19:18:14 | captain_proton | its called overloading - you can name functions the same because C++ is strongly typed |
| 19:18:24 | | hmmm... metal_magic is foolish. |
| 19:18:24 | metal_magic | ibot: metal_magic? |
| 19:18:35 | | metal_magic: I forgot metal_magic |
| 19:18:35 | metal_magic | ibot: forget metal_magic |
| 19:18:37 | captain_proton | those functions are constructors of the class |
| 19:18:41 | | OK, metal_magic. |
| 19:18:41 | metal_magic | ibot: metal_magic is sad |
| 19:19:14 | Widget | Ohhh.... |
| 19:19:24 | Widget | Java doesn't support that, I've heard. |
| 19:20:03 | bzdug | bang |
| 19:20:21 | captain_proton | yeah it does |
| 19:20:22 | Widget | And then you create the method by doing <type> Classname::Methodname(args) {} |
| 19:20:25 | Widget | Ah, interesting. |
| 19:20:44 | captain_proton | java doesn't support multiple inheritance |
| 19:20:50 | captain_proton | at least not in the same way C++ does |
| 19:21:02 | Widget | I heard it doesn't support operator overloading either. |
| 19:21:20 | bzdug | grins |
| 19:21:35 | bzdug | patlabor221: : yah here? |
| 19:21:50 | captain_proton | it supports operator overloading |
| 19:22:03 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 19:22:08 | captain_proton | i have such a geeky tan |
| 19:22:26 | Widget | http://java.sun.com/docs/white/langenv/ |
| 19:22:32 | Widget | "No More Operator Overloading" |
| 19:22:56 | Widget | No more typedefs, defines, structures, unions, enums, multiple inheritance, gotos, operator overloading, automatic coercions. |
| 19:23:00 | Widget | In Java. |
| 19:23:34 | bzdug | java? what are you doing in java? |
| 19:23:44 | bzdug | use Qbasic |
| 19:23:52 | Widget | Nozzing. |
| 19:23:57 | Widget | I'm trying to understand a C++ program. |
| 19:24:01 | bzdug | ooh |
| 19:24:04 | bzdug | ;) |
| 19:24:12 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:24:15 | captain_proton | i thought it did... |
| 19:24:16 | captain_proton | oh well |
| 19:24:24 | Widget | Wow.... captain_proton is wrong. |
| 19:24:33 | captain_proton | it ought to have it ;) |
| 19:24:50 | bzdug | bah |
| 19:24:53 | captain_proton | it doesn't have templates either, and now the creators of java are wishing it did |
| 19:25:01 | | Mr. Aphenphosmphobia was wrong!!!! |
| 19:25:01 | Widget | ibot: captain_proton? |
| 19:25:21 | bzdug | haha |
| 19:25:28 | | no idea, bzdug |
| 19:25:28 | bzdug | ibot bzdoug? |
| 19:25:37 | | Yay for smack ramen! |
| 19:25:37 | bzdug | ibot botsmack |
| 19:27:18 | bzdug | anyone want to play p2501 against me? |
| 19:27:32 | captain_proton | sure - got a server? |
| 19:27:35 | Widget | I don't have it. |
| 19:27:36 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:27:37 | Widget | :( |
| 19:27:38 | bzdug | no |
| 19:27:40 | Widget | :'( |
| 19:27:53 | bzdug | I dont have a server ports setup for me |
| 19:27:56 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:29:06 | bzdug | woo |
| 19:29:16 | bzdug | power is very unstabil... |
| 19:29:36 | bzdug | the power cond. and bat backups are beepin |
| 19:29:43 | bzdug | haha |
| 19:29:55 | bzdug | did anyone make a new map for p2501? |
| 19:30:14 | bzdug | something like the demo map, but without the bots, for multiplayer? |
| 19:30:57 | Widget | I want p2501!! Where's BZFrank? |
| 19:31:20 | bzdug | :) |
| 19:31:39 | Widget | bzdug: Stop acting so superior. |
| 19:32:00 | sussudio | Widget: with BZBeans i guess |
| 19:32:02 | bzdug | sits on top of the world |
| 19:32:18 | bzdug | hohoho |
| 19:32:19 | bzdug | ;) |
| 19:32:33 | Widget | C is so wonderful. |
| 19:32:44 | bzdug | right.... |
| 19:32:48 | Widget | It combines all the elegance and power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of assembly language. |
| 19:32:52 | sussudio | TP RULEZ |
| 19:33:03 | bzdug | umm |
| 19:33:13 | captain_proton | looks like i can set up a p2501 server |
| 19:33:19 | bzdug | you can? |
| 19:33:21 | bzdug | what map? |
| 19:33:23 | bzdug | ;) |
| 19:33:26 | bzdug | good |
| 19:33:37 | bzdug | I want to test linux and windows networkin |
| 19:33:38 | Widget | I wanna play! BZFrank, I abjure you to appear!!! |
| 19:33:44 | bzdug | see if it works |
| 19:33:45 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:33:51 | captain_proton | shrugs at the map |
| 19:34:05 | bzdug | good, lets get started |
| 19:34:08 | bzdug | you need a map |
| 19:34:12 | Widget | Er.... adjure. |
| 19:34:16 | Widget | Not abjure. |
| 19:34:20 | bzdug | testworld.wrld should work |
| 19:34:40 | bzdug | its boring... |
| 19:34:42 | bzdug | but... |
| 19:35:15 | patlabor221 | yes I am here now |
| 19:35:18 | patlabor221 | having "issues" |
| 19:35:20 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:35:25 | bzdug | issues eh? |
| 19:35:28 | captain_proton | server needs data.zip probably :P |
| 19:35:32 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:35:37 | bzdug | yes, I think it does |
| 19:35:48 | | Calling BZFrank now... |
| 19:35:48 | Widget | ibot: call bzfrank |
| 19:35:59 | patlabor221 | widget, you would need to conjour ant abdjugate |
| 19:36:09 | bzdug | how do you respawn in p2501? |
| 19:36:13 | patlabor221 | not not ant |
| 19:36:14 | captain_proton | press enter |
| 19:36:22 | bzdug | all I do is fly in a little glowing thing |
| 19:36:23 | bzdug | oh |
| 19:36:24 | patlabor221 | did he release a new one yet? |
| 19:36:34 | bzdug | not that I heard |
| 19:36:37 | bzdug | of |
| 19:36:40 | patlabor221 | damn the dadion is fried |
| 19:36:48 | patlabor221 | radion not dadion |
| 19:36:54 | captain_proton | patlabor221: he made a couple changes that are in the linux release |
| 19:37:40 | patlabor221 | yeah I gave him a list of issues after the first test, and he said he fixed them all and would have a release soon |
| 19:37:48 | metal_magic | does anyone have an idea why no video capture program is able to record audio on my station? :-( |
| 19:37:51 | bzdug | ah |
| 19:37:53 | bzdug | cool |
| 19:38:06 | bzdug | patlabor221: bummer... |
| 19:38:07 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmm, he fixed a couple memory bugs that linux found |
| 19:38:25 | metal_magic | i tried streamer and divx4rec ... |
| 19:38:35 | metal_magic | ... and no audio ... :-( |
| 19:38:50 | metal_magic | only video ... |
| 19:39:00 | metal_magic | for example http://nlp.fi.muni.cz/~xkolaja/tmp/video.avi |
| 19:39:02 | captain_proton | patlabor221: back to my question - is the current panel stuff you used in bza supposed to do hovers? |
| 19:39:19 | metal_magic | but i can hear the sounds on my speakers |
| 19:39:20 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:39:29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:39:31 | patlabor221 | id does in my app |
| 19:39:37 | captain_proton | i'm not seeing |
| 19:39:41 | patlabor221 | it's got a button that throbs on hover |
| 19:39:45 | captain_proton | 1:30 till i've got p2501 sucked down |
| 19:39:56 | Widget | Ah, for A* you need to know the coordinates of the goal!!1 |
| 19:40:02 | Widget | And I don't know that. |
| 19:40:02 | bzdug | haha |
| 19:40:11 | captain_proton | Widget: yes - for the heuristic |
| 19:40:11 | patlabor221 | it's the back button on the second pane |
| 19:40:15 | bzdug | wow, I love chain reactions in p2501 |
| 19:40:20 | bzdug | with the mines.. |
| 19:40:26 | Widget | captain_proton: So I couldn't have used it after all. |
| 19:40:29 | bzdug | line them all up, and BOOM |
| 19:40:34 | patlabor221 | who is running servers with difrent world? |
| 19:40:45 | Widget | Can I have p2501 too? I feel so left out! |
| 19:40:46 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmm, don't see a pulsating back button |
| 19:40:49 | captain_proton | do any of the other buttons work? |
| 19:40:51 | bzdug | patlabor221: nobody, but its possible.. |
| 19:40:53 | patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 19:41:10 | patlabor221 | is it geting the hover events? |
| 19:41:11 | metal_magic | bzdug: what dooes it mean with the botmail, huh? |
| 19:41:13 | captain_proton | oh, i also found a couple bugs in the texture manager |
| 19:41:19 | captain_proton | you need to kill the strupr()'s |
| 19:41:23 | captain_proton | for some reason its not returning |
| 19:41:25 | patlabor221 | not suprising |
| 19:41:31 | patlabor221 | realy |
| 19:41:32 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 19:41:36 | captain_proton | oh oops |
| 19:41:41 | captain_proton | that would be *my* mistake |
| 19:41:49 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 19:41:50 | captain_proton | needs a ptr++ ;) |
| 19:42:01 | patlabor221 | I did want the name search to be case insensive |
| 19:43:11 | bzdug | metal_magic: ask ibot |
| 19:43:42 | sussudio | i always ask jimmy, the magic hamster |
| 19:43:57 | captain_proton | yaay we're ready |
| 19:44:09 | Widget | No! |
| 19:44:11 | Widget | I want to play!!! |
| 19:44:12 | captain_proton | server is drinkme.cheshirecatconsulting.com |
| 19:44:14 | Widget | Please! Please! |
| 19:44:15 | Widget | Please! |
| 19:44:16 | Widget | Please! |
| 19:44:26 | captain_proton | patlabor221, bzdug, i expect to see you there |
| 19:44:27 | captain_proton | Widget: email frank |
| 19:44:35 | Widget | captain_proton: What's his email address? |
| 19:45:07 | metal_magic | bzdug: what should i ask him? |
| 19:45:17 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:45:21 | bzdug | hey1!!!! |
| 19:45:25 | bzdug | perfect timeing!!! |
| 19:45:27 | bzdug | BZFrank: !!!! |
| 19:45:30 | BZFrank | hi |
| 19:45:37 | BZFrank | whatsup? :) |
| 19:45:38 | bzdug | ok |
| 19:45:45 | bzdug | drinkme.cheshirecatconsulting.com |
| 19:45:52 | bzdug | meet me in p2501 |
| 19:45:57 | Widget | Wait. |
| 19:46:00 | Widget | BZFrank: !!!!! |
| 19:46:02 | Widget | BZFrank: My God! |
| 19:46:12 | Widget | BZFrank: I was calling you for ten minutes, and you appear!!! |
| 19:46:23 | BZFrank | magic :) |
| 19:46:24 | Widget | Wow. |
| 19:46:30 | | Widget: i'm not following you... |
| 19:46:30 | Widget | ibot: call bzfrank |
| 19:46:31 | metal_magic | metal_magic :-) |
| 19:46:39 | | Calling BZFrank now... |
| 19:46:39 | Widget | ibot: call bzfrank |
| 19:46:43 | BZFrank | lol |
| 19:46:53 | Widget | BZFrank: They're all going to play p2501! Can I play too? |
| 19:47:18 | BZFrank | do you have the alpha release? |
| 19:47:22 | Widget | Nope. |
| 19:47:26 | Widget | I don't have any release. |
| 19:47:39 | BZFrank | send me email an swear to keep it to yourself : frank@wizards.de |
| 19:47:50 | Widget | I swear. |
| 19:47:55 | BZFrank | ok :) |
| 19:48:56 | Widget | OK, sent. :( |
| 19:48:57 | Widget | :) |
| 19:49:02 | Widget | Gr... evil Spanish keyboard. |
| 19:49:05 | patlabor221 | see I told you to congure |
| 19:49:14 | Widget | patlabor221: But I adjured instead. |
| 19:49:14 | BZFrank | nothing yet |
| 19:49:18 | Widget | patlabor221: And it worked better! |
| 19:49:25 | patlabor221 | see it didn't work as well |
| 19:49:33 | patlabor221 | not as fast |
| 19:49:41 | patlabor221 | you had to change the world into frank |
| 19:49:50 | Widget | What world? |
| 19:49:53 | patlabor221 | you did not move him from one place to another |
| 19:49:59 | Widget | Oh. |
| 19:50:05 | patlabor221 | abjuration is the modification of reality |
| 19:50:06 | Widget | But quick hacks are fine, right? |
| 19:50:10 | captain_proton | wtf was going on there |
| 19:50:16 | Widget | captain_proton: ? |
| 19:50:25 | patlabor221 | now evocation that's the good stuf |
| 19:50:34 | captain_proton | client jumping positions, shots from nowhere |
| 19:50:40 | Widget | template <class UserState> class AStarSearch // What does this mean? |
| 19:50:46 | Widget | captain_proton: Easter egg? |
| 19:50:50 | captain_proton | Widget: you don't want to know ;) |
| 19:51:14 | Widget | This is too hard to understand... but it works! |
| 19:51:14 | Widget | :) |
| 19:51:21 | bzdug | captain_proton: ! |
| 19:51:30 | bzdug | :) |
| 19:51:34 | bzdug | like my horn! |
| 19:51:35 | patlabor221 | captain_proton: I can't gonnect to servers from here |
| 19:51:37 | bzdug | hehe |
| 19:51:37 | patlabor221 | I'm at work |
| 19:51:52 | Widget | So an A* search is sort of like a breadth first search... only it looks at all the branches, and only picks the one with the lowest f value? |
| 19:51:54 | captain_proton | BZFrank: p2501 wasn't working too well on the network test |
| 19:51:56 | bzdug | BZFrank: could you run a server? |
| 19:51:59 | captain_proton | Widget: something like that |
| 19:52:03 | bzdug | oh, nevermind.. |
| 19:52:20 | Widget | OK. I will now attempt to implement this in C. |
| 19:52:23 | BZFrank | p2501: lan or wan? |
| 19:52:30 | bzdug | WAN |
| 19:52:37 | captain_proton | 56k ;) |
| 19:52:39 | Widget | Aaan-aaan. |
| 19:52:40 | bzdug | and I like the VW horn |
| 19:52:44 | bzdug | :) |
| 19:52:45 | BZFrank | bzdug: nope, curretnly behind a NAT firewall and p2501 does not like this |
| 19:52:50 | bzdug | oh |
| 19:52:57 | bzdug | I am playing behind a NAT |
| 19:53:12 | captain_proton | the server is behind NAT too but its got full ports |
| 19:53:28 | BZFrank | yep, it should then it works |
| 19:53:34 | captain_proton | waits patiently for ipv6 |
| 19:53:46 | BZFrank | cp: was it too jerky or just what? |
| 19:53:51 | bzdug | yes |
| 19:53:55 | bzdug | laggy and jerky |
| 19:54:00 | bzdug | nbut playable |
| 19:54:02 | bzdug | :) |
| 19:54:07 | captain_proton | BZFrank: well, my client felt -very- jerky, then i gave up when i started seeing shots with no tank |
| 19:54:18 | BZFrank | well, the /bandwidth option isn't active for the moment |
| 19:54:25 | bzdug | same for me, but his tank jumped around... |
| 19:54:27 | metal_magic | is looking forward to IPv6 |
| 19:54:35 | bzdug | BZFrank: you have any more maps? |
| 19:54:39 | bzdug | with flags? |
| 19:54:55 | bzdug | so we can have a game with flags? |
| 19:54:56 | BZFrank | bzdug: just write them - testworld.wrld as template |
| 19:55:01 | bzdug | oh |
| 19:55:03 | bzdug | ok |
| 19:55:07 | bzdug | I like the demo map |
| 19:55:12 | BZFrank | should be some flags inside |
| 19:55:12 | captain_proton | oh yeah, and the flags all disappeared |
| 19:55:18 | bzdug | is that avalible? |
| 19:55:26 | BZFrank | how did you start the server? |
| 19:55:28 | bzdug | we could play that |
| 19:56:03 | bzdug | BZFrank: how do we get the demomap out of the game? |
| 19:56:16 | BZFrank | you mean /demomode? |
| 19:56:21 | bzdug | hmm |
| 19:56:32 | BZFrank | or the start map? |
| 19:56:33 | bzdug | in the console |
| 19:56:47 | bzdug | I type in F1 and type in demomap |
| 19:56:55 | bzdug | and it gives a neato thing |
| 19:57:12 | BZFrank | yes, that is /demomode it creates a bunch of stuff by random ;) |
| 19:57:29 | bzdug | random? |
| 19:57:40 | BZFrank | you'll need to edit testworld.wrld |
| 19:57:43 | bzdug | hmm, could you run that on the server? |
| 19:57:54 | bzdug | and we could connect to it? |
| 19:58:06 | bzdug | a random map? it would be neat |
| 19:58:14 | BZFrank | the question is HOW you could run without? ;) |
| 19:58:20 | bzdug | hehe |
| 19:58:28 | BZFrank | the server takes one parameter that is the worldfile |
| 19:58:32 | bzdug | oohh |
| 19:58:35 | bzdug | hm |
| 19:58:43 | bzdug | there was no flags either... |
| 19:58:57 | BZFrank | did you run the server on the same box as your client? |
| 19:59:01 | bzdug | no |
| 19:59:06 | Widget | BZFrank: Did you recieve the email? |
| 19:59:07 | bzdug | captain_proton: hosted somewhere |
| 19:59:12 | BZFrank | wait... |
| 19:59:15 | sussudio | man, that map on jzaun 5157 is the stupidest fscking map ever |
| 19:59:21 | captain_proton | bzdug: lets try now |
| 19:59:25 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:00:05 | BZFrank | on the way |
| 20:00:25 | BZFrank | captain: how was the server connected to the net? |
| 20:03:53 | metal_magic | Widget? |
| 20:03:56 | bzdug | cool |
| 20:03:57 | Widget | metal_magic? |
| 20:04:04 | bzdug | the server works great |
| 20:04:22 | bzdug | captain_proton: you back? |
| 20:04:59 | metal_magic | Widget: in next 4 hours there will go 5 m^3 of water every second through Prague |
| 20:05:19 | Widget | metal_magic: Eep! |
| 20:05:20 | BZFrank | bzdug: I can login |
| 20:05:29 | Widget | metal_magic: I suppose it's pouring? |
| 20:05:34 | BZFrank | bzdug: you have a rather old version, yes? |
| 20:05:44 | Widget | metal_magic: In all of central Europe? |
| 20:06:17 | BZFrank | not here - we got our water the weekend |
| 20:07:07 | metal_magic | Widget: it's pouring |
| 20:07:10 | Widget | So it's moving east? |
| 20:07:18 | metal_magic | yes |
| 20:07:20 | BZFrank | yep - blue skies in Stuttgart |
| 20:07:30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:07:34 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i keep getting dropped |
| 20:07:38 | Widget | They said Prague is being evacuated (though there will be no more evacuations from now) and floods are threatening Vienna. |
| 20:07:49 | BZFrank | I could see you, what does the console say? |
| 20:07:59 | captain_proton | connection lost |
| 20:08:06 | captain_proton | err |
| 20:08:21 | captain_proton | what console? |
| 20:08:26 | bzdug | ahh |
| 20:08:38 | bzdug | I do have an old version |
| 20:08:38 | captain_proton | no useful info in the in-game f1 console, or in the terminal |
| 20:08:47 | captain_proton | says connection lost in the messages box |
| 20:09:00 | bzdug | I can connect |
| 20:09:04 | captain_proton | wanders off |
| 20:09:11 | bzdug | BZFrank: eh? |
| 20:10:18 | BZFrank | Maybe a Linux issue: can you connect if you start the server locally? |
| 20:10:28 | BZFrank | bzdug: send me an email, I update you |
| 20:10:52 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:11:00 | BZFrank | connecting lost means that no packet was received for at least 10 seconds from either side |
| 20:11:53 | BZFrank | wdiget did you get your email |
| 20:11:58 | bzdug | I can connect ok |
| 20:12:13 | BZFrank | so do i |
| 20:12:33 | bzdug | hmm |
| 20:13:00 | BZFrank | still there is something fishy - a flag is rotating on the server :) |
| 20:13:23 | bzdug | hehe |
| 20:13:28 | bzdug | BZFrank: you have mail |
| 20:14:04 | Cell_prog_insect | does it run on win32? |
| 20:14:11 | bzdug | yes |
| 20:14:23 | bzdug | and linux |
| 20:14:38 | bzdug | and SOON!!!! (hint hint) mac OS X |
| 20:14:41 | Cell_prog_insect | can i play it too? |
| 20:14:42 | bzdug | ;) |
| 20:15:09 | BZFrank | hey - it is a test, unfinished buggy |
| 20:15:16 | bzdug | but its linux? |
| 20:15:18 | Cell_prog_insect | hm,k |
| 20:15:34 | BZFrank | yes, linux also |
| 20:15:52 | bzdug | does the zip comewith windows bin? |
| 20:15:59 | BZFrank | yes |
| 20:16:02 | Cell_prog_insect | just wanted to see the graphics in action, and collison behavoiour, does it look good? |
| 20:16:03 | bzdug | oh |
| 20:16:04 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:16:11 | bzdug | Cell_prog_insect: very good |
| 20:16:17 | Cell_prog_insect | :) |
| 20:16:25 | BZFrank | http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 20:16:36 | bzdug | limbo? |
| 20:16:48 | BZFrank | dead ;) |
| 20:16:52 | Cell_prog_insect | wow cool lens flare effect |
| 20:16:52 | bzdug | ahh |
| 20:17:06 | bzdug | 31% |
| 20:17:38 | Cell_prog_insect | can the tanks jump? |
| 20:17:41 | BZFrank | yes |
| 20:17:52 | BZFrank | they have thrusters |
| 20:17:57 | Cell_prog_insect | oh |
| 20:18:02 | BZFrank | hover tanks btw they fly a bit over ground |
| 20:18:11 | Cell_prog_insect | cool |
| 20:19:20 | Cell_prog_insect | can the hoovert anks only move on the terrain, i just see no buildings u could for example jump on |
| 20:19:39 | bzdug | yes |
| 20:19:40 | BZFrank | they can drive also ramps, on other modes, etc |
| 20:19:44 | BZFrank | modells |
| 20:20:15 | BZFrank | they bump in each other etc. |
| 20:20:16 | Cell_prog_insect | great, when is it going to be released? |
| 20:20:34 | BZFrank | as soon as I find time and the bugs are honed out |
| 20:20:36 | BZFrank | :) |
| 20:20:41 | Cell_prog_insect | oh, k |
| 20:21:11 | metal_magic | wow, it looks great! |
| 20:21:21 | BZFrank | thx :) |
| 20:21:32 | bzdug | 96% |
| 20:21:47 | bzdug | 99% |
| 20:21:56 | bzdug | 100% |
| 20:22:04 | Cell_prog_insect | u really used coldet? |
| 20:22:08 | BZFrank | yes |
| 20:22:29 | bzdug | ooh |
| 20:22:33 | bzdug | neato logos |
| 20:22:34 | Cell_prog_insect | and it works fine for u? |
| 20:22:34 | BZFrank | why you ask? |
| 20:22:43 | BZFrank | yes, no problem |
| 20:22:55 | BZFrank | bzdug - yes, I did some icons ;) |
| 20:23:08 | Cell_prog_insect | just wanted to know, maybe im an idiot then |
| 20:23:19 | BZFrank | what is your problem? |
| 20:24:48 | Cell_prog_insect | no nothing, i just have to rethink some things |
| 20:26:12 | Cell_prog_insect | do u plan to make the source code available for public |
| 20:27:09 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:27:10 | BZFrank | yes |
| 20:27:13 | bzdug | looks good |
| 20:27:20 | Widget | Where is the server? |
| 20:27:22 | Cell_prog_insect | great :) |
| 20:27:25 | BZFrank | bzdug, cheshirecat seems confused |
| 20:27:35 | BZFrank | could cp restart the server? |
| 20:27:37 | Cell_prog_insect | are the trees billboards or real ,they llok good |
| 20:27:42 | Widget | drinkme.cheshirecatconsulting.com? |
| 20:27:44 | BZFrank | billboards |
| 20:27:52 | BZFrank | yep, this one |
| 20:28:22 | BZFrank | polygon trees would be too slow |
| 20:28:38 | sussudio | can you eat polygons? |
| 20:28:51 | BZFrank | sure ;) |
| 20:28:53 | bzdug | yes |
| 20:28:55 | bzdug | join you there |
| 20:28:59 | sussudio | taste like chicken? |
| 20:29:07 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:29:09 | bzbot | SATAN (R): 4 (14-10). Maddog (G): -7 (12-19). y o y o x (G): 3 (20-17). Elanor (R): -6 (32-38). nobody (G): -9 (18-27). |
| 20:29:10 | bzdug | I am there |
| 20:29:35 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 20:29:36 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 20:29:40 | metal_magic | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 20:29:41 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 20:29:57 | BZFrank | captain can cou restart cheshirecat please |
| 20:30:05 | bzdug | server is gone now |
| 20:30:20 | BZFrank | bzdug: I can only see your shots |
| 20:30:34 | BZFrank | as I told you server is confused |
| 20:31:25 | bzdug | oh |
| 20:31:26 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:31:45 | bzdug | nice, the default flag is Abomb |
| 20:31:55 | BZFrank | for now ;) |
| 20:32:12 | BZFrank | just testing the contrails of the falling bomb |
| 20:32:56 | BZFrank | mhmm, I must take a look at the server, there is something going on that currupts the DB...? |
| 20:33:10 | bzdug | hehe |
| 20:33:17 | BZFrank | as soon as I have time again - next week |
| 20:33:18 | bzdug | hmm |
| 20:33:22 | bzdug | :) |
| 20:33:30 | bzdug | Widget: could you start a server? |
| 20:33:33 | bzdug | wait |
| 20:33:37 | bzdug | I can start a server |
| 20:33:40 | bzdug | now |
| 20:33:44 | BZFrank | where? |
| 20:33:55 | bzdug | hmm |
| 20:33:57 | BZFrank | on your home box? |
| 20:33:59 | bzdug | let me start it |
| 20:34:06 | bzdug | yes, on another conmputer |
| 20:34:17 | BZFrank | are you behind a NAT firewall? |
| 20:34:25 | BZFrank | router, or similar? |
| 20:34:33 | bzdug | yes, but I have the ports routed to this comp |
| 20:34:42 | BZFrank | ok, keep that in mind ;) |
| 20:34:45 | bzdug | hehe |
| 20:35:58 | BZFrank | start it : p2501_server.exe testworld.wrld > log.txt |
| 20:36:03 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:36:42 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:37:29 | Widget | Once, after I finished the game, it didn't ungrab my mouse. |
| 20:37:36 | Widget | What's the server again? |
| 20:38:17 | bzdug | ok |
| 20:38:22 | bzdug | heck.no-ip.com |
| 20:38:24 | Widget | What's the server? |
| 20:38:24 | bzdug | servers is up |
| 20:38:25 | Widget | OK. |
| 20:38:27 | Widget | See you there. |
| 20:38:29 | bzdug | test to see if it connected |
| 20:38:35 | BZFrank | ok |
| 20:42:03 | Widget | Are both of you there? |
| 20:42:33 | bzdougy | yes |
| 20:45:01 | BZFrank | works, but kicked me off |
| 20:45:05 | BZFrank | after a while |
| 20:45:11 | BZFrank | need to work on the stability issue |
| 20:45:25 | bzdougy | hmm |
| 20:45:28 | BZFrank | bzdug: ok, thanks! |
| 20:45:31 | bzdougy | let me start the old on |
| 20:45:43 | bzdougy | thats the unstable |
| 20:46:06 | Widget | hihihi |
| 20:46:09 | Widget | It works. |
| 20:46:21 | bzdougy | now try it |
| 20:46:29 | BZFrank | bzdug: how do you like the 0 + number effects ;) |
| 20:46:37 | bzdug | hehe |
| 20:46:43 | Widget | Those were funny. |
| 20:47:12 | Chestal | hmm, no more CapN, *sob* |
| 20:47:33 | Widget | Chestal: I know! |
| 20:47:41 | Widget | It's horrible. |
| 20:47:42 | Widget | :( |
| 20:48:10 | BZFrank | what? |
| 20:48:18 | Widget | CapN is taking a BZFlag sabbatical. |
| 20:48:22 | | CapN was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 33 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: well, it will be awhile though Captain so seriously guys take care [Tue Aug 13 20:15:20 2002] |
| 20:48:22 | Widget | ibot: seen CapN? |
| 20:48:23 | bzdougy | server is up |
| 20:48:45 | Widget | heck.no-ip.com |
| 20:48:46 | bzdougy | I get 60 FPS and it runs with no jerks |
| 20:48:53 | Chestal | Widget: was always a pleasure to shoot him :-) |
| 20:49:03 | Widget | Or be shot by him. |
| 20:49:16 | Chestal | ok, that happened once or twice |
| 20:49:56 | metal_magic | is sad because of disband of the froot loops team. |
| 20:50:02 | Widget | Connection dropped. |
| 20:50:13 | | i guess metal_magic is sad |
| 20:50:13 | metal_magic | ibot: metal_magic? |
| 20:50:22 | bzdougy | hmm |
| 20:50:33 | BZFrank | bzdog: there semms to be some issues that only come out in WAN game style |
| 20:50:44 | bzdougy | hm |
| 20:50:47 | bzdougy | ok |
| 20:50:57 | BZFrank | thanks, I need to look at these |
| 20:51:00 | bzdougy | try it now |
| 20:51:11 | BZFrank | you can lock your tank when taking a flag, etc. |
| 20:51:22 | bzdougy | yes |
| 20:51:25 | Widget | BZFrank: It appears to work on Debian unstable with a TNT2. |
| 20:51:36 | BZFrank | how much FPS? |
| 20:51:44 | Widget | Got mean 61.38 FPS |
| 20:51:47 | Widget | 50s and 60s. |
| 20:51:56 | BZFrank | thats nice for the old card := |
| 20:51:58 | BZFrank | :) |
| 20:52:05 | bzdougy | 60 |
| 20:52:13 | Widget | Grr..... it's not old! |
| 20:52:13 | bzdougy | for GF2mx400 |
| 20:52:15 | Widget | OK, it is. |
| 20:52:22 | bzdougy | try connecting |
| 20:52:29 | BZFrank | it is fixed to the vsync doug, so not more than that ;) |
| 20:52:33 | BZFrank | ntrying |
| 20:52:37 | metal_magic | bzflag works with similar rate (about that TNT2) |
| 20:53:03 | bzdougy | ok |
| 20:53:31 | metal_magic | on my GF2mx400 bzflag works on approx 100fps |
| 20:54:07 | Widget | Does anyone want to play on heck.no-ip.com? |
| 20:54:16 | Widget | It dropped me, hopefully I'll get better luck. |
| 20:54:26 | bzdougy | ok |
| 20:54:45 | Widget | See you there. |
| 20:58:38 | BZFrank | ok, back |
| 20:58:46 | bzdougy | ok |
| 20:58:52 | bzdougy | the flags are gone |
| 20:58:52 | BZFrank | thanks for the tests |
| 20:58:55 | bzdougy | :) |
| 20:59:23 | BZFrank | yes, as told something gets the server confused, need to work on that |
| 20:59:31 | bzdougy | ok, the flags are back |
| 20:59:35 | bzdougy | rebooted the server |
| 20:59:38 | bzdougy | :() |
| 20:59:40 | BZFrank | but for an alpha release it did well, at least I could shoot you ;) |
| 20:59:45 | bzdougy | haha |
| 21:00:08 | bzdougy | captain_proton here here? |
| 21:00:10 | bzdougy | Widget? |
| 21:00:15 | BZFrank | widget? |
| 21:00:24 | bzdougy | join heck.no-ip.com in p2501 |
| 21:00:43 | BZFrank | was there a minute ago |
| 21:00:47 | captain_proton | nah working on other thingies |
| 21:00:47 | bzdougy | yes |
| 21:00:49 | bzdougy | ok |
| 21:00:51 | captain_proton | my game :) |
| 21:01:00 | bzdougy | heh |
| 21:01:02 | BZFrank | YOUR game? :) |
| 21:01:06 | captain_proton | yes |
| 21:01:18 | BZFrank | another bzflag style one? or bzflag? |
| 21:01:23 | captain_proton | neither |
| 21:01:36 | BZFrank | mhmm, quake style? ;) |
| 21:01:41 | captain_proton | starfox style |
| 21:01:43 | captain_proton | single player only |
| 21:02:20 | BZFrank | do you use a game engine for that? |
| 21:02:34 | captain_proton | using a lot of the same engine as patlabor's bza |
| 21:02:37 | bzdougy | strange, the flags disapper when you drop them |
| 21:02:49 | bzdougy | thats the bug |
| 21:02:56 | bzdougy | :) |
| 21:03:00 | BZFrank | yes, thats the reason |
| 21:03:03 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:03:06 | Widget | bzdougy? |
| 21:03:08 | Widget | BZFrank? |
| 21:03:09 | bzdougy | yes |
| 21:03:14 | metal_magic | Widget: try realplay http://www.ct1.cz/ram/zpravy2300-130802.rm.ram |
| 21:03:14 | BZFrank | also if a tank dies he takes the flag with him ;) |
| 21:03:23 | bzdougy | yes |
| 21:03:25 | bzdougy | :* |
| 21:03:26 | Widget | metal_magic: What's that? |
| 21:03:37 | BZFrank | need to work these points out in alpha 11 |
| 21:03:37 | metal_magic | floods |
| 21:03:37 | Widget | hihihi, iLLf8d. |
| 21:03:46 | bzdug | hey iLLf8d ! |
| 21:03:49 | BZFrank | widget? |
| 21:03:56 | Widget | BZFrank? |
| 21:04:09 | iLLf8d | greetings |
| 21:04:12 | BZFrank | yes, the thrird tank was yours? yes? |
| 21:04:25 | bzdug | cool, 3 tanks in it |
| 21:04:28 | bzdug | : |
| 21:04:31 | bzdug | :)( |
| 21:04:39 | Widget | BZFrank: Ya, the one with the low score. |
| 21:04:45 | bzdug | haha |
| 21:04:50 | bzdug | I had 19 points |
| 21:04:52 | BZFrank | *Grin* |
| 21:05:00 | bzdug | BZFrank: any other easter eggs in it? |
| 21:05:29 | BZFrank | sure :) |
| 21:05:36 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: hey rumor has it there are a few copies of your project floating around, any chance I can get a copy? |
| 21:05:54 | bzdug | haha |
| 21:06:04 | bzdug | BZFrank: like what? |
| 21:06:25 | BZFrank | iLLf8d: I'd like to limit distribution until I provide you with a stable networking, no use rebooting the server and client after a few minues |
| 21:06:37 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 21:06:39 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 21:06:59 | BZFrank | it is not a ready game yet, hence the 'alpha' version name |
| 21:07:22 | iLLf8d | hmm thought the networking was 100% heh I check your site from time to time |
| 21:07:25 | iLLf8d | looks like you have most of your goals done |
| 21:07:46 | BZFrank | it is, but that only means that all features are in place - but yet there is debug to do ;) |
| 21:07:57 | bzdug | is there a flags file, that I can add flags to the game? |
| 21:08:01 | bzdug | er |
| 21:08:06 | bzdug | add flags to the map |
| 21:08:09 | BZFrank | just add to the testworld.wrld |
| 21:08:17 | bzdug | lke what is GSUB_FLAG4? |
| 21:08:22 | bzdug | what is GSUB_FLAG7? |
| 21:08:31 | bzdug | I dont know what flags there is |
| 21:08:35 | bzdug | I say a ST flag |
| 21:08:36 | BZFrank | see PROJECT.DEFS for the defines |
| 21:08:40 | bzdug | hmm |
| 21:08:40 | bzdug | ok |
| 21:08:58 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: when do you expect it to go public? |
| 21:09:07 | bzdug | the next bluemoon |
| 21:09:08 | BZFrank | hopefully in september |
| 21:09:08 | iLLf8d | just so I don't have to check for a while |
| 21:09:10 | captain_proton | what is protector exactly? |
| 21:09:10 | bzdug | ;) |
| 21:09:20 | bzdug | september? |
| 21:09:28 | bzdug | this september? |
| 21:09:40 | BZFrank | protector means you cannot be shot by bullets or IGM, just rail and abomb/mines can damamge you |
| 21:09:45 | BZFrank | but you can't shoot either ;) |
| 21:09:48 | bzdug | I am gonna make a soccer field |
| 21:09:52 | captain_proton | ah, noticed this |
| 21:09:52 | BZFrank | this september |
| 21:09:57 | bzdug | wow |
| 21:09:58 | mandy | hi people |
| 21:10:03 | BZFrank | hi |
| 21:10:05 | bzdug | hey mandy |
| 21:10:20 | bzdug | hmm |
| 21:10:33 | bzdug | I could make a model, and add it to the game, and it would pop in? |
| 21:10:37 | bzdug | cool |
| 21:10:52 | BZFrank | just put it with the name default_model##.ms3d in data.zip |
| 21:11:01 | BZFrank | where ## is the number starting from 1 |
| 21:11:04 | bzdug | ok |
| 21:11:07 | bzdug | now what is EXTRA_REPULSOR? |
| 21:11:10 | bzdug | how do I use it? |
| 21:11:25 | mandy | bleh bleh |
| 21:11:26 | BZFrank | makes buildings repulse you (gravity is reversed) |
| 21:11:31 | mandy | talken about men stuff |
| 21:11:32 | bzdug | hm? |
| 21:11:35 | mandy | so boring |
| 21:11:36 | bzdug | ok |
| 21:11:37 | bzdug | well |
| 21:11:38 | bzdug | I have to go |
| 21:11:40 | bzdug | :( |
| 21:11:47 | bzdug | cya in a bit |
| 21:11:54 | metal_magic | cu |
| 21:11:54 | BZFrank | mandy: so what would YOU like to talk about? |
| 21:11:56 | Widget | Wait, buildings attract you? |
| 21:12:00 | BZFrank | cya doug and THANKS! |
| 21:12:13 | mandy | lol |
| 21:12:19 | BZFrank | widget: no building under your tank repulse you upward ;) |
| 21:12:19 | Widget | Bye, bzdougy. |
| 21:12:33 | Widget | Oh, I see. |
| 21:12:42 | BZFrank | attaction is possible also, but I found no use for it now ;) |
| 21:12:55 | Widget | So jumping onto a building will make you jump all the way over? |
| 21:12:58 | BZFrank | widget: like a elevator |
| 21:13:11 | Widget | But you can't go up forever, can you? |
| 21:13:19 | BZFrank | just start p2501 and jump on the yellow striped planes! to see the effect |
| 21:13:28 | Widget | Oh, I saw that. |
| 21:13:31 | captain_proton | gravity affects according to distance ;) |
| 21:13:34 | BZFrank | no, just as far as the outer radius of the building is |
| 21:13:51 | metal_magic | going to bed, cu |
| 21:13:53 | BZFrank | captain: yeah, but in p2501 noone can hear you scream ;) |
| 21:14:01 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i'll honk at them |
| 21:14:02 | BZFrank | cu |
| 21:14:08 | BZFrank | lol |
| 21:14:11 | Widget | Bye, metal_magic. |
| 21:14:11 | Risolino | how can i run bzflag in a window? |
| 21:14:18 | captain_proton | 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 21:14:24 | Risolino | 1.7 the window is too small |
| 21:14:30 | captain_proton | bzflag -window |
| 21:14:40 | Risolino | captain_proton: that is too small |
| 21:14:46 | Risolino | i can't resize ir |
| 21:14:50 | Risolino | *it |
| 21:14:52 | captain_proton | try coupling it with -geometry 800x600 or something |
| 21:15:04 | Risolino | ok |
| 21:15:18 | Risolino | how can continue to use the mouse outside the window? |
| 21:15:36 | Widget | captain_proton: Oh, I found out a working heuristic algorithm.... yd = currentCell.Y - goalCell.Y; xd = currentCell.X - goalCell.X; h = xd^2 + yd^2; // h = heuristic score |
| 21:16:08 | Widget | It works pretty nicely, except, when you plot out the path it will take and purposely add a dead end there. |
| 21:16:12 | captain_proton | Risolino: it should release your mouse when you pause |
| 21:16:24 | Risolino | trying..hang |
| 21:16:36 | Widget | In which case, it goes into the cul-de-sac, and comes out, and then goes somewhere else, which takes time. |
| 21:16:45 | Risolino | it doesnt'work.. |
| 21:17:00 | Risolino | when the program starts, my mouse is limited |
| 21:17:41 | BZFrank | later, need to work a bit... |
| 21:19:30 | captain_proton | Risolino: but does it release the mouse when you pause in the game? |
| 21:19:32 | bzdug | cya |
| 21:20:19 | sussudio | i hate that stupid waterworld map |
| 21:21:13 | captain_proton | sussudio: either make something better or stop complaining |
| 21:21:33 | sussudio | an empty map would be better |
| 21:21:53 | captain_proton | lemme rephrase |
| 21:21:55 | captain_proton | stop fucking complaining |
| 21:22:07 | captain_proton | clear? |
| 21:22:21 | MrApathyCream | do /superkill |
| 21:22:24 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 21:22:29 | MrApathyCream | get to next map |
| 21:24:00 | sussudio | bite me |
| 21:26:51 | mandy | i yiyi |
| 21:44:55 | Widget | #pragma |
| 21:45:03 | Widget | What does #pragma mean in C++? |
| 21:48:05 | pragma | Not pretty sure... never programmed before, I use it because of the pragmatic meaning |
| 21:48:29 | captain_proton | #pragma is a compiler state control |
| 21:48:50 | | pragma: sorry... |
| 21:48:50 | pragma | ibot: pragma |
| 21:48:57 | pragma | doh. |
| 21:49:33 | Widget | captain_proton: Does it exist in C as well? |
| 21:49:45 | captain_proton | Widget: ought to - its compiler specific, not language specific |
| 21:49:52 | Widget | Oh. |
| 21:50:20 | captain_proton | its for things when you need to control binary packing and such |
| 21:53:04 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 21:53:15 | captain_proton | just created the prettiest logo fo this game :) |
| 21:57:22 | pragma | where can I see the logo? |
| 22:01:02 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/SplashLogo.png |
| 22:01:13 | captain_proton | normally against a black background but its all transparent |
| 22:01:28 | captain_proton | gimp script-fu is my hero :) |
| 22:02:02 | Widget | It's called "jetstream"? |
| 22:02:42 | pragma | wow.... |
| 22:03:31 | Widget | That's a good name for a company. |
| 22:07:00 | captain_proton | jetstream is just the best thing i could come up with for now |
| 22:07:37 | Widget | Call it "Captain Proton's Fun World". |
| 22:07:43 | bzdug | is it a flight sim? |
| 22:07:57 | Widget | It's like Starfox. |
| 22:08:05 | bzdug | and that is.... |
| 22:09:08 | bzdug | oh cool |
| 22:09:11 | bzdug | looks neat |
| 22:09:17 | bzdug | but its single player? |
| 22:09:18 | bzdug | only? |
| 22:09:20 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:09:23 | bzdug | I dont like single player |
| 22:09:29 | bzdug | I like multiplayer.. |
| 22:09:30 | bzdug | ;) |
| 22:09:32 | Widget | captain_proton: What is done so far? |
| 22:09:50 | Widget | captain_proton: Post up what you do every day. |
| 22:09:53 | bzdug | yells "beta test" |
| 22:09:54 | captain_proton | Widget: hmm, got some basics of the game engine |
| 22:10:09 | captain_proton | right now i'm still wading through patlabor's menu stuff (since its going to be mostly the same engine as bza) |
| 22:10:18 | bzdug | eh? |
| 22:11:03 | bzdug | hmm |
| 22:11:17 | Widget | captain_proton: Write it neatly! |
| 22:11:21 | Widget | captain_proton: And comment! |
| 22:11:30 | captain_proton | slaps widget |
| 22:12:02 | Widget | unleashes the spirit of Edsgar Dijkstra on captain_proton. |
| 22:12:32 | captain_proton | fears no crazed mathematicians |
| 22:13:20 | captain_proton | i write my code neatly so i don't have to comment ;) |
| 22:13:23 | bzdug | is away: Get the new JAVA MICROCONTROLLER! http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/products/Javelin_Stamp/javelin_stamp.asp |
| 22:14:20 | Widget | finger dijkstra@cs.utexas.edu |
| 22:19:01 | Widget | Last login: never logged in |
| 22:19:14 | Widget | Shell: /bin/csh |
| 22:19:53 | Widget | dijkstra toque:ttyp3 Jun 12 13:20 - 13:52 (00:32) |
| 22:19:53 | Widget | dijkstra toque:ttyp2 Jun 12 14:13 - 14:21 (00:08) |
| 22:19:53 | Widget | dijkstra toque:ttyp0 Aug 27 21:06 - 21:10 (00:04) |
| 22:19:54 | Widget | dijkstra im4u2:3 May 8 05:56 - 06:12 (00:16) |
| 22:19:54 | Widget | dijkstra viper:0 Jul 10 13:39 - 13:45 (00:06) |
| 22:20:46 | captain_proton | hmm, looks like i'm gonna get another use for my expression evaluator |
| 22:22:49 | Widget | I want to use OpenGL to show a ball navigate the maze using my algorithm! |
| 22:23:00 | captain_proton | simple enough |
| 22:23:19 | Widget | I have no idea how to use OpenGL though. |
| 22:24:23 | captain_proton | http://nehe.gamedev.net/ and http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 22:25:46 | Widget | Why do I need this libsdl? |
| 22:25:52 | Widget | Isn't that only for input? |
| 22:26:33 | Widget | "The tutorials on this page [...] should not be considered the best resource to learn OpenGL from." |
| 22:26:46 | captain_proton | you set up the window and everything with SDL |
| 22:26:56 | Widget | Oh. |
| 22:27:03 | captain_proton | using Xlib and glx is -nasty- |
| 22:27:23 | captain_proton | and regardless of what it says, the tutorials there *are* the best resource on the web |
| 22:27:26 | captain_proton | at least one of the best |
| 22:28:03 | captain_proton | learn to set up the SDL window and stuff, then start at "Your first polygon" |
| 22:28:05 | Widget | What is glx? |
| 22:29:42 | captain_proton | the API for setting up a GL context inside of an X window |
| 22:30:04 | captain_proton | if you use it, you also have to set up all the visuals and stuff using Xlib |
| 22:30:35 | captain_proton | aka "a complete pain in the ass" |
| 22:32:45 | Widget | Hm. |
| 22:37:24 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 45 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: I'm at work [Tue Aug 13 20:51:37 2002] |
| 22:37:24 | bzdougy | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 22:37:52 | bzdug | I need a map editor for p2501 |
| 22:37:54 | bzdug | ;) |
| 22:38:48 | bzdug | how hard would it be to create a map editor using the same engine as BZEdit, but just change it so it does p2501? |
| 22:39:35 | captain_proton | very |
| 22:39:43 | captain_proton | p2501 is all models |
| 22:39:44 | bzdug | really? |
| 22:39:51 | bzdug | ooh |
| 22:39:53 | bzdug | right |
| 22:40:07 | captain_proton | the p2501 world format is easy as hell |
| 22:40:11 | captain_proton | wtf do you need a map editor for? |
| 22:40:18 | bzdug | hmm |
| 22:40:24 | bzdug | just to make it easyer... |
| 22:40:45 | captain_proton | shakes his head and wanders back to his code |
| 22:40:53 | bzdug | its hard to visualise where everthing goes... |
| 22:42:10 | captain_proton | you have a sheet of graph paper lying around the house? |
| 22:42:44 | bzdug | hmm |
| 22:42:46 | bzdug | maybe |
| 22:42:56 | bzdug | I can print on out |
| 22:43:00 | bzdug | one |
| 22:43:08 | bzdug | I have big paper |
| 22:45:54 | bzdug | hmm, I could... |
| 22:47:38 | bzdug | sheesh |
| 22:47:58 | bzdug | the tanks in p2501 handle better than bzflag |
| 22:48:01 | bzdug | :) |
| 22:48:05 | bzdug | cant even play now |
| 22:48:45 | captain_proton | hmm, i didn't notice |
| 22:50:06 | bzdougy | heh. |
| 23:18:40 | Risolino | what's new in 1.8? |
| 23:21:31 | captain_proton | lots |
| 23:29:13 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 23:29:13 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 23:46:40 | captain_proton | woo, dark city is such a good movie :) |
| 23:47:51 | bzdougy | hey patlabor221! |
| 23:47:59 | bzdougy | brb |
| 23:48:11 | captain_proton | 'lo patlabor221 |
| 23:48:15 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 23:48:31 | captain_proton | is rewriting the menus to load all from a file |
| 23:48:37 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 23:48:52 | captain_proton | i'm a sucker for flexibility |
| 23:48:59 | patlabor221 | makeit optional |
| 23:49:11 | patlabor221 | cus I'm not gonna use tht just for menus |
| 23:49:22 | captain_proton | i know |
| 23:49:29 | captain_proton | the way i'm doing it is just generic panels |
| 23:49:32 | patlabor221 | we are now installing our redhat on our first retail system |
| 23:49:38 | patlabor221 | kewl |
| 23:49:48 | captain_proton | can bind clicks to 'next panel <panelname>' or 'previous panel' |
| 23:50:32 | patlabor221 | cool |
| 23:55:13 | patlabor221 | I am seriously thinking of taking liek 4 days off next week just to work on crap |
| 23:55:29 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:55:45 | patlabor221 | not having time sucks |
| 23:56:24 | Widget | patlabor221: I figured out this A* algorithm. |
| 23:56:35 | Widget | patlabor221: It's not difficult... but it requires you to know the coordinates of the goal. |
| 23:56:40 | Widget | patlabor221: Something which we don't know. |
| 23:56:54 | patlabor221 | really....... |
| 23:57:08 | patlabor221 | then I may be coming to you for bot logic in BZA :) |
| 23:57:26 | Widget | patlabor221: Yes, that's how the heuristic works... By checking the final coordinate and present coordinate, it decides on a direction. An educated guess. |
| 23:57:32 | Widget | patlabor221: captain_proton knows it way better than me. |
| 23:57:50 | Widget | patlabor221: He explained what the heuristic score was. |
| 23:57:54 | patlabor221 | yes but he'll be busy with other things I'm sure:) |
| 23:58:44 | bzdougy | grins |
| 23:59:07 | patlabor221 | uh oh, clear the room |
| 23:59:19 | bzdug | hehe |
