| 00:00:00 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de 5156 |
| 00:00:00 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: -11 | Green: 4 players, score: 15 | |
| 00:00:06 | Widget | Curses! Full. |
| 00:00:08 | doughecka | well, eeprom is cool |
| 00:00:12 | Widget | bzfquerylong ducati.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de 5156 |
| 00:00:12 | bzbot | mj (Red):-35 (85 wins, 120 losses). Dragon (Green):-9 (18 wins, 27 losses). Quol (Red):13 (78 wins, 65 losses). jpablo (Red):2 (32 wins, 30 losses). Wingding (Green):38 (172 wins, 134 losses). Izto (Green):1 (72 wins, 71 losses). Owen (Red):-42 (15 wins, 57 losses). drs (guglmty) (Green):1 (14 wins, 13 losses). |
| 00:00:18 | doughecka | no flashing and stuff |
| 00:00:50 | doughecka | captain_proton: one guy got a web server running on a pic once... |
| 00:00:54 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:01:02 | captain_proton | is away: getting beat up |
| 00:01:07 | doughecka | it ran over a serial link |
| 00:01:16 | doughecka | captain_proton: take some armer |
| 00:01:51 | Widget | Puir kapteeni protono |
| 00:02:07 | doughecka | poor captain proton |
| 00:02:10 | doughecka | right?? |
| 00:02:20 | doughecka | Widget: is that right? |
| 00:02:33 | Widget | kurja kapteeni proton |
| 00:02:46 | Widget | doughecka: Puir is just a Scottish pronunciation of poor. |
| 00:02:54 | Widget | doughecka: Finnish for "poor" is kurja. |
| 00:02:56 | doughecka | ahh |
| 00:02:59 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:03:07 | Widget | Ask jh. |
| 00:03:11 | doughecka | that is a poor way of saying it... |
| 00:03:14 | Widget | Our exalted and divine leader. |
| 00:03:15 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:03:19 | doughecka | jh? |
| 00:03:23 | Widget | Yes. |
| 00:03:26 | Widget | You don't kno jh? |
| 00:03:32 | doughecka | divine, my fooy |
| 00:03:43 | doughecka | lo Darth-kheb |
| 00:03:51 | doughecka | we boy down and worship you!!! |
| 00:03:53 | doughecka | er |
| 00:03:55 | Widget | hihihi, Darth-kheb. |
| 00:03:55 | doughecka | bow* |
| 00:04:02 | Widget | You do not know the great jh? |
| 00:04:19 | doughecka | I know the worm... |
| 00:04:21 | Widget | Suomalainen. |
| 00:04:27 | Widget | Our team captain. |
| 00:04:31 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:04:48 | doughecka | the wormy teamy captainy |
| 00:04:51 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:05:14 | doughecka | sighs |
| 00:05:18 | doughecka | sighs again |
| 00:05:28 | Widget | Watch out, you'll hyperventilate. |
| 00:05:36 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 00:05:37 | bzbot | bryjen (Purple):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). |
| 00:05:50 | doughecka | hyperventilates and hits the floor |
| 00:06:09 | doughecka | sighs |
| 00:06:17 | doughecka | bah |
| 00:06:22 | Widget | bryjen: I'll come play. |
| 00:06:26 | doughecka | I have the worst chair in the world |
| 00:06:36 | doughecka | its 4 feet in the air |
| 00:06:43 | doughecka | so no feet support |
| 00:06:47 | doughecka | and its old |
| 00:10:37 | bryjen | bah |
| 00:10:44 | Widget | bryjen: Your server's horribly laggy. |
| 00:11:02 | Widget | doughecka: here is a server you should host: ducati with high speed, quick turn and rapid fire. |
| 00:11:08 | Widget | doughecka: "High Speed ducati". |
| 00:11:14 | Widget | doughecka: All those things by default of course, no flags. |
| 00:11:23 | bryjen | Widget: its me. my house to too many hops from where the server is |
| 00:12:17 | Widget | doughecka: Will you host such a server? |
| 00:12:19 | doughecka | greetings and salutations noodleman!!! |
| 00:12:32 | bryjen | should the server have problems with two clients connecting from the same address (IP Masq'ed) ? |
| 00:12:34 | Noodleman | hey |
| 00:12:44 | doughecka | Widget: ask Noodleman |
| 00:12:50 | doughecka | its his server |
| 00:12:51 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:12:54 | Noodleman | that's you, right breathat? |
| 00:12:59 | Widget | doughecka: Which one? heck.no-ip.com? |
| 00:13:01 | doughecka | yup |
| 00:13:04 | doughecka | no |
| 00:13:09 | doughecka | noodledom.no-ip.com |
| 00:13:17 | Noodleman | that's MY server, hehe |
| 00:13:38 | Widget | Noodleman: Is it possible for you to host a "high speed" ducati server, with rapid fire, high speed and quick turn by default? |
| 00:13:52 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 12 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: is away: getting beat up [Fri Aug 2 01:01:02 2002] |
| 00:13:52 | bryjen | ibot: seen captain_proton ? |
| 00:13:53 | Noodleman | yes, but it will probably be laggy |
| 00:14:01 | Widget | It would require a patched server though. |
| 00:14:16 | Noodleman | where will i get the patch? |
| 00:14:27 | Widget | I can write one. |
| 00:14:29 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 6 hours, 43 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: waits for the DL> [Thu Aug 1 18:30:46 2002] |
| 00:14:29 | bryjen | ibot: seen BZFlag ? |
| 00:14:31 | Noodleman | ok |
| 00:15:14 | Noodleman | breadhat likes to use my server for his evil purposes >:D |
| 00:15:23 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 20 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: could be turned into a good flag by just turnign it into a good flag [Thu Aug 1 23:54:57 2002] |
| 00:15:23 | bryjen | ibot: seen Chestal ? |
| 00:15:41 | bryjen | hmmm |
| 00:15:45 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:16:12 | Widget | <VEK> <vek Lee> Timoteo,cxe mi nun pluvetas ! 20 miaj parencoj vizitis mian vialgxon por gxui siajn somerajn feriojn . |
| 00:16:19 | Noodleman | ??? |
| 00:16:20 | Widget | <VEK> <K Ludoviko/Brazilo> Mi devas foriri nun. cxar mi devas usis mian telefonon por telefonvoki Fortaleza. Gxis la revido. |
| 00:17:03 | | MrApathyCream was last seen on #bzflag 18 hours, 38 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: 's bed groans [Thu Aug 1 06:38:45 2002] |
| 00:17:03 | bryjen | ibot: seen MrApathyCream ? |
| 00:17:58 | captain_proton | is back (gone 00:16:56) |
| 00:17:59 | captain_proton | =( |
| 00:18:08 | Widget | captain_proton: =) |
| 00:18:23 | captain_proton | it was all locked up |
| 00:18:29 | Widget | What was? |
| 00:19:23 | Widget | Gah! Stop it! Stop it! |
| 00:19:30 | Widget | captain_proton: Set the channel +t! |
| 00:19:35 | doughecka | I shall stop |
| 00:19:36 | captain_proton | Widget: i can't |
| 00:19:42 | doughecka | Noodleman: stop |
| 00:19:42 | captain_proton | Widget: not op |
| 00:19:43 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:20:35 | Noodleman | in case you want to know, sesquipedalia is my favorite word :-P |
| 00:20:45 | Noodleman | if you don't know waht it means, look it up |
| 00:20:56 | Widget | uses doughecka's sound filed in BZFlag. |
| 00:20:59 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:21:03 | doughecka | Widget: cool |
| 00:21:04 | Widget | But then, I always play with sound turned off anyway. |
| 00:21:10 | doughecka | Widget: bah |
| 00:21:11 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:21:19 | doughecka | Noodleman: I know!!! |
| 00:21:20 | Noodleman | i'll see what they sound like |
| 00:21:22 | doughecka | I think |
| 00:21:31 | doughecka | Noodleman: you will like them |
| 00:21:46 | Noodleman | yeah, don't spoil it, your subscribed to the word of the day list too :-) |
| 00:21:55 | bryjen | captain_proton: should the server have problems with two clients from the same address (IP Masq'ed) ? |
| 00:21:55 | doughecka | haha |
| 00:22:05 | captain_proton | bryjen: hasn't ever in my experience |
| 00:22:16 | doughecka | captain_proton: I never ran into ant problems |
| 00:22:23 | bryjen | strange. maybe it was the lag then. |
| 00:22:24 | doughecka | and I have a nat |
| 00:22:51 | Noodleman | MASQ is quite neat |
| 00:23:52 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:23:59 | bryjen | I was playing from the box doing the Masq, and had someone on the local network playing too. Kept getting NR |
| 00:24:08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:24:16 | bryjen | someone playing FROM the local network |
| 00:25:15 | Noodleman | i'll be back, my sound isn't working... |
| 00:25:19 | doughecka | l |
| 00:25:22 | doughecka | k |
| 00:28:53 | bryjen | found the problem! |
| 00:29:04 | doughecka | what is it? |
| 00:29:11 | | doughecka: Secretary sent chain letter to all 5000 employees. |
| 00:29:11 | doughecka | ibot excuse? |
| 00:29:22 | doughecka | thats the problem... |
| 00:29:32 | doughecka | Secretary sent chain letter to all 5000 employees. |
| 00:29:43 | bryjen | wasn't port-translating TCP. not necessary on old servers/client that reconnects to a second TCP port. using E7 server/client now. |
| 00:29:57 | doughecka | ooh |
| 00:30:34 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 00:30:35 | bzbot | jello (Green):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). chrjen (Green):2 (2 wins, 0 losses). |
| 00:30:42 | doughecka | ooh |
| 00:30:46 | doughecka | get a bot running' |
| 00:31:40 | Noodleman | ok, i'm back |
| 00:31:46 | Noodleman | interesting sounds |
| 00:32:16 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:32:21 | doughecka | I got bots running |
| 00:32:34 | Noodleman | where? |
| 00:32:37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:32:47 | doughecka | ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 00:32:55 | Noodleman | ok, i'll go see |
| 00:35:22 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 00:35:23 | bzbot | jello (Green):-3 (2 wins, 5 losses). chrjen (Green):-2 (2 wins, 4 losses). bryjen (Purple):4 (6 wins, 2 losses). Postal Worker (Red):0 (2 wins, 2 losses). |
| 00:53:15 | Widget | How can you log conversations with X-Chat? |
| 00:53:32 | doughecka | dunno |
| 00:53:34 | captain_proton | settings->setup->IRC->logging |
| 00:53:37 | doughecka | I use trillian |
| 00:53:56 | Widget | captain_proton: Thanks. |
| 00:54:18 | Widget | captain_proton: Where does it place the logs? |
| 00:54:44 | captain_proton | ~/.xchat/something |
| 00:55:12 | Widget | Hm.... nothing there. Let me restart. |
| 00:55:18 | Patlabor221 | is back (gone 01:51:10) |
| 00:57:37 | doughecka | lo Patlabor221 |
| 00:57:42 | doughecka | ngot some bots running |
| 00:57:52 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:58:04 | Patlabor221 | do they just sit there? |
| 00:58:10 | doughecka | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 00:58:11 | bzbot | red (Red):9 (19 wins, 10 losses). bzdoug (Red):-23 (10 wins, 33 losses). dougsbot2 (Red):5 (9 wins, 4 losses). BZFrag Bait (Blue):-15 (5 wins, 20 losses). |
| 00:58:21 | doughecka | Patlabor221: the standard chestal bots |
| 00:58:32 | Patlabor221 | so they move around then |
| 00:59:42 | doughecka | no |
| 00:59:46 | doughecka | they still sit there |
| 00:59:50 | doughecka | but they are a good shot |
| 00:59:54 | doughecka | and evade shots |
| 00:59:55 | Noodleman | ok,i'm back |
| 00:59:57 | doughecka | and do rico |
| 01:00:40 | Noodleman | just to let you know, you have squid and netbios open to the net |
| 01:01:01 | Noodleman | i got in trouble for that |
| 01:01:33 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:01:46 | Patlabor221 | doughecka: more like a turret then irn't they |
| 01:01:57 | Noodleman | i had spammers relaying junk though my system |
| 01:02:24 | Noodleman | you had better not have squid bining to your outbound interface |
| 01:02:29 | Noodleman | binding* |
| 01:02:42 | doughecka | Noodleman: you got the bots yet? |
| 01:02:58 | Noodleman | doughecka: don't know where to get them |
| 01:02:59 | doughecka | I want to see a CTF game with 4 bots on one side |
| 01:03:03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:03:06 | doughecka | ask Widget |
| 01:03:11 | Patlabor221 | for that you will have to get them to move |
| 01:03:23 | Patlabor221 | and be all smart and stuff |
| 01:03:24 | doughecka | Patlabor221: and do ctf |
| 01:03:31 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yup |
| 01:03:40 | Patlabor221 | who you gonna get to write it? |
| 01:03:56 | doughecka | you |
| 01:03:59 | doughecka | or Noodleman |
| 01:04:01 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:04:06 | Patlabor221 | I won't do the logic |
| 01:04:14 | Widget | Patlabor221: We should have one bot program. |
| 01:04:18 | Widget | Patlabor221: That controls three tanks. |
| 01:04:27 | Patlabor221 | I will convert chestal's code into a better client with an API |
| 01:04:39 | jpablo | c00l |
| 01:04:40 | doughecka | Widget: yea |
| 01:04:43 | jpablo | c00l d00d |
| 01:04:54 | jpablo | :| |
| 01:04:56 | Widget | Patlabor221: A client? Can't you make it standalone? |
| 01:04:58 | Patlabor221 | you can have the bots send messages to each other |
| 01:05:02 | Widget | Patlabor221: Without depending on the BZFlag code? |
| 01:05:12 | Widget | Patlabor221: No, just have them all controlled by one program. |
| 01:05:15 | Patlabor221 | not with the time I want to spend on it |
| 01:05:27 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:05:28 | Patlabor221 | for that you will ahve to wait for 1.8 I think |
| 01:06:16 | doughecka | yea, we need bots sending stuff like: there is a ST over near me |
| 01:06:32 | Patlabor221 | I will make chestal's code not bring up a window, and add a place where someone can add logic using the sample API I showed you |
| 01:06:42 | Widget | More like coordinating efforts. |
| 01:06:50 | Widget | For instance, if you have two tanks... |
| 01:06:52 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm |
| 01:06:57 | Patlabor221 | that can be done with private mesages |
| 01:07:04 | Widget | You can use their combined two shots to shoot at another tank to cut off all possible dodges. |
| 01:07:19 | Patlabor221 | you gonna write the logic for that? |
| 01:07:23 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:07:58 | Patlabor221 | you would want to have the bots be able to run on multiple machines, then you can have a bot farm |
| 01:08:39 | doughecka | a... |
| 01:08:43 | Patlabor221 | but there is nothing saying you can't have one of the bots be a "master" |
| 01:08:45 | doughecka | BEOWULF CLUSTER!!! |
| 01:09:01 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:09:11 | Patlabor221 | no that is a difrent thing |
| 01:09:15 | doughecka | yea yea |
| 01:09:16 | Patlabor221 | that is process spliting |
| 01:09:23 | doughecka | but to /. specs |
| 01:09:26 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:09:37 | Patlabor221 | you beileve that thing way to much |
| 01:09:43 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:09:59 | Patlabor221 | you seem to like buzzwords, perhaps you will go into marketing |
| 01:10:09 | doughecka | ugh |
| 01:11:35 | doughecka | Imagine parking this puppy at the mall! |
| 01:11:35 | doughecka | Imagining a beowulf cluster of those. |
| 01:11:49 | Patlabor221 | parking what? |
| 01:11:55 | doughecka | a AT-AT |
| 01:12:01 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 01:12:03 | doughecka | go look at /. |
| 01:12:46 | Patlabor221 | ohh those are old |
| 01:12:51 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:12:55 | Patlabor221 | not the fastest things in the world |
| 01:13:02 | doughecka | ha, but cool looking |
| 01:13:13 | doughecka | Creativity - The sudden cessation of stupidity |
| 01:13:30 | Patlabor221 | or aplication for some people |
| 01:13:32 | captain_proton | will run bots off his coffee pot |
| 01:13:45 | Patlabor221 | awwww yeah, the true java bot |
| 01:13:47 | doughecka | captain_proton: that will.. |
| 01:13:57 | doughecka | java, the REAL languege |
| 01:14:10 | ski | hi guys |
| 01:14:30 | captain_proton | actually this will be a comparitively stupid device |
| 01:14:40 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:15:05 | captain_proton | almost all host-controlled |
| 01:15:22 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:16:16 | Patlabor221 | just knows how to execut specific commands then |
| 01:16:22 | Patlabor221 | put a GPU in it |
| 01:16:46 | Patlabor221 | "Grounds Processing Unit" |
| 01:17:02 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:17:36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'm pretty sure we'll have something like that - but it will just be another I/O line on the microcontroller |
| 01:17:58 | Patlabor221 | or add a FPU |
| 01:18:03 | doughecka | FPU? |
| 01:18:07 | Patlabor221 | "French Press unit" |
| 01:18:10 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:19:58 | Noodleman | CPU = coffee pot unit (lame) |
| 01:20:08 | Patlabor221 | very |
| 01:20:08 | doughecka | har har |
| 01:20:24 | Patlabor221 | so doug who will write the logic? |
| 01:20:26 | Noodleman | i didn't think it would be funny (hehe) |
| 01:20:39 | doughecka | you or Widget |
| 01:20:40 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:20:41 | Noodleman | doug has no logic of his own, so not him |
| 01:20:43 | Patlabor221 | I won't |
| 01:20:45 | Patlabor221 | no time |
| 01:20:48 | doughecka | and I will help after I learn C |
| 01:20:55 | doughecka | in about 20 days |
| 01:21:11 | Noodleman | "learn c++ in 21 days" |
| 01:21:16 | Noodleman | is that the book? |
| 01:21:18 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 01:21:19 | doughecka | no |
| 01:21:23 | Patlabor221 | it won't run multiples in the same app tho |
| 01:21:25 | doughecka | http://cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/tut1-3.html |
| 01:21:30 | Widget | Wait, what will Patlabor221 be doing? I want to see precisely how you do it. |
| 01:21:35 | ski | I know some c |
| 01:21:38 | ski | some c++ |
| 01:21:43 | ski | some java |
| 01:21:51 | doughecka | some qbasic |
| 01:21:55 | Patlabor221 | I will make this API for you |
| 01:22:06 | ski | some mumps |
| 01:22:06 | Noodleman | i know perl, i could write a totaly imbecile bot in that |
| 01:22:07 | Widget | OK, tell me how you go about doing it. |
| 01:22:08 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BotAPI.h |
| 01:22:13 | Widget | And comment it a lot! |
| 01:22:22 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yea! |
| 01:22:28 | doughecka | Noodleman: you can do that |
| 01:22:29 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:22:33 | doughecka | tkae bzbot here |
| 01:22:36 | Patlabor221 | I will comment out a ass load of code |
| 01:22:38 | doughecka | and pull him apart |
| 01:22:44 | Patlabor221 | and then add a little |
| 01:22:45 | Widget | Noodleman: I'd like to see that. |
| 01:22:57 | ski | me2 |
| 01:23:00 | doughecka | Noodleman: www.heckamangroup.com/files |
| 01:23:01 | Noodleman | hehe, where can i find docs on the protocol? |
| 01:23:05 | doughecka | get bzbot from there |
| 01:23:09 | doughecka | bzflag.org/new |
| 01:23:11 | Patlabor221 | yes you can do it in pearl as I said earlyer |
| 01:23:11 | doughecka | I think |
| 01:23:12 | captain_proton | fj33rs the hungarian notation |
| 01:23:21 | doughecka | captain_proton: hehe, me too |
| 01:23:26 | Patlabor221 | wuss |
| 01:23:30 | Patlabor221 | welcome to the real world |
| 01:23:49 | Patlabor221 | beter then variables named A1 A2 A3 |
| 01:23:55 | Noodleman | there already IS a perl bot |
| 01:24:02 | Noodleman | gurn it |
| 01:24:05 | Widget | Patlabor221: Aah! Comments! Put comments! What's tePlayerTeam, teWorldItem, trPlayerInfo, etc.? |
| 01:24:08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hungarian notation isn't the real world. hungarian notation is something invented to make sure programmers lose their minds |
| 01:24:14 | captain_proton | um Widget |
| 01:24:20 | Widget | Noodleman: No, that bot just goes and gets the server info. |
| 01:24:24 | captain_proton | try reading the NAMES |
| 01:24:27 | Noodleman | ok |
| 01:24:29 | Patlabor221 | widget that is just a sample of the functions |
| 01:24:33 | Noodleman | kewl |
| 01:24:37 | captain_proton | Widget: there -is- such a thing as self-documenting code |
| 01:24:39 | doughecka | Noodleman: but it has the protocal in it |
| 01:24:40 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: we dont use full notation, just simplified |
| 01:24:40 | Widget | captain_proton: The names of what? |
| 01:24:45 | Noodleman | ok |
| 01:24:46 | captain_proton | <Widget> Patlabor221: Aah! Comments! Put comments! What's tePlayerTeam, teWorldItem, trPlayerInfo, etc.? |
| 01:24:55 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:25:01 | captain_proton | lesee |
| 01:25:02 | Patlabor221 | take a guess |
| 01:25:15 | Widget | captain_proton: OK, so what's a "World Item"? And what's it to be used for? |
| 01:25:19 | doughecka | shall I close my eyes? |
| 01:25:29 | Patlabor221 | I think tePlayerTeam is my IP address |
| 01:25:38 | captain_proton | Widget: i would imagine that its an item in the world, such as a box, teleporter, pyramid, etc |
| 01:25:49 | doughecka | Patlabor221: k |
| 01:25:49 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: am i right? |
| 01:25:55 | Patlabor221 | t means it's a typedef |
| 01:26:03 | Patlabor221 | e means it's an enumeration |
| 01:26:03 | Widget | What's eRougeTeam? |
| 01:26:08 | Patlabor221 | are means it's a record set |
| 01:26:10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:26:12 | Patlabor221 | a means array |
| 01:26:15 | Patlabor221 | f means float |
| 01:26:17 | doughecka | rouge team? |
| 01:26:18 | Widget | Patlabor221: Oh, I see. |
| 01:26:19 | Patlabor221 | i means int |
| 01:26:30 | Patlabor221 | sz means string (zero terminated) |
| 01:26:35 | Patlabor221 | b means boolean |
| 01:26:36 | doughecka | Patlabor221: tsk tsk, not ansi compliant |
| 01:26:39 | Patlabor221 | tha's all |
| 01:26:40 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:26:43 | Patlabor221 | how so"? |
| 01:26:54 | doughecka | I got that far in the man |
| 01:27:07 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean, what isn't ansi C |
| 01:27:12 | Patlabor221 | the bool? |
| 01:27:16 | Patlabor221 | it was added |
| 01:27:27 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:27:44 | Noodleman | doughecka: weird, what kind of bugs are those? |
| 01:27:49 | Patlabor221 | but it will use minimal C++ |
| 01:27:59 | doughecka | Noodleman: what bugs? |
| 01:28:02 | Patlabor221 | I refuse to declare all my variables at the top |
| 01:28:07 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:28:14 | Noodleman | http://heckamangroup.com/files/scope/ |
| 01:28:20 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:28:22 | doughecka | pond water |
| 01:28:27 | doughecka | I dunno what they are |
| 01:28:29 | Noodleman | oh |
| 01:28:41 | Patlabor221 | now cap: how does that notatin make you insane in the membrane? |
| 01:29:22 | doughecka | Noodleman: so can you make a bot in perl? |
| 01:29:26 | doughecka | is it possible? |
| 01:29:30 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 01:29:32 | Noodleman | it is |
| 01:29:33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:29:36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: have you ever worked on a project where they expect -full- hungarian notation? |
| 01:29:41 | Noodleman | a real stupid bot |
| 01:29:47 | Patlabor221 | bzbot exists, ofcourse it's posible |
| 01:29:50 | doughecka | and can you make it easyer to read in the perl code? |
| 01:29:54 | Patlabor221 | no, we just laught at those people |
| 01:30:03 | Patlabor221 | and call them idiots |
| 01:30:05 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:30:13 | doughecka | the bzbot is insane |
| 01:30:17 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yeah. i have, and THAT is why i can't stand even the sight of a single 'sz' |
| 01:30:19 | Noodleman | doughecka: it's perl, don't expect too much :-P |
| 01:30:26 | doughecka | Noodleman: haha |
| 01:30:30 | captain_proton | because you end up with 9-character prefixes on a counter variable |
| 01:30:42 | Patlabor221 | well have you ever had to deal with C and Pascal strings in the same project? |
| 01:30:59 | doughecka | WARNING: This product warps space and time in its vicinity. |
| 01:31:12 | doughecka | HANDLE WITH EXTREME CARE: This product contains minute electrically charged |
| 01:31:12 | doughecka | particles moving at velocities in excess of five hundred million miles per |
| 01:31:12 | doughecka | hour. |
| 01:31:22 | Noodleman | i would have to find the time that i could waste writing code for a redarded bot in perl... |
| 01:31:23 | Patlabor221 | dopug: just because it's a "scripting language" don't ecpect it to solve everything for you |
| 01:31:29 | doughecka | paulj: haha |
| 01:31:40 | doughecka | Noodleman: retarded is right... |
| 01:31:46 | doughecka | Patlabor221: haha |
| 01:32:21 | Patlabor221 | it may be posibly more complex then the C one as it will not have the sevices of the BZ client avalable to it |
| 01:32:21 | doughecka | IMPORTANT NOTICE TO PURCHASERS: The entire physical universe, including this product, may one day collapse back into an infinitesimally small space. Should |
| 01:32:21 | doughecka | another universe subsequently re-emerge, the existence of this product in that universe cannot be guaranteed. |
| 01:32:27 | Noodleman | it would spin around and shoot, or jump around to random places on the field... |
| 01:32:38 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm |
| 01:32:46 | doughecka | Noodleman: not target? |
| 01:32:48 | doughecka | Noodleman: haha |
| 01:32:53 | Noodleman | maybe |
| 01:32:59 | doughecka | Noodleman: dont wast your time on it.. |
| 01:33:04 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 01:33:05 | doughecka | Noodleman: ;) |
| 01:33:07 | Patlabor221 | who is going to implement pathfinding in peral |
| 01:33:20 | Noodleman | what is that? |
| 01:33:22 | Patlabor221 | bust out some a*? |
| 01:33:34 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:33:50 | Patlabor221 | logic tat finds the path from point point to another around obsitcals |
| 01:33:54 | Patlabor221 | that's pathfinding |
| 01:33:59 | Noodleman | i see |
| 01:34:00 | doughecka | PLEASE NOTE: Some quantum physics theories suggest that when the consumer is not directly observing this product, it may cease to exist or will exist only in a vague and undetermined state. |
| 01:34:04 | Noodleman | that would be hard |
| 01:34:10 | doughecka | Noodleman: very |
| 01:34:11 | Patlabor221 | it's not easy |
| 01:34:11 | captain_proton | doughecka: enough! |
| 01:34:17 | Patlabor221 | yes stop it |
| 01:34:19 | doughecka | captain_proton k |
| 01:34:34 | Patlabor221 | there are c implementations of A* that could be used |
| 01:34:49 | Patlabor221 | but that's all the "logic" I am talking about |
| 01:34:53 | captain_proton | lubs A* |
| 01:34:58 | Patlabor221 | I want to know who will write that |
| 01:35:12 | Patlabor221 | A* does Roxor the boxors |
| 01:35:33 | Noodleman | brb |
| 01:35:42 | Patlabor221 | I want to know if any of you have a clue what to do to make a bot work |
| 01:35:49 | captain_proton | though - A* in 3d space could be interesting |
| 01:35:53 | doughecka | Patlabor221: I dont |
| 01:35:55 | Patlabor221 | if not I won't waste time making the API, and wait for 1.8 |
| 01:36:11 | Patlabor221 | but will you find someone who does |
| 01:36:25 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:36:27 | Patlabor221 | you keep spouting off ideas, but who will implement them |
| 01:36:44 | captain_proton | i'm willing to play around with implementing bots, but only after: |
| 01:36:46 | captain_proton | (a) 1.8 |
| 01:36:50 | captain_proton | (b) bzedit for 1.8 |
| 01:36:53 | doughecka | who are you talking to? |
| 01:36:57 | doughecka | I was away |
| 01:36:59 | Patlabor221 | you doug |
| 01:37:02 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:37:03 | Patlabor221 | then read |
| 01:37:04 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:37:05 | Noodleman | i have to go now, cya peeps |
| 01:37:12 | doughecka | cya Noodleman |
| 01:37:18 | doughecka | join IRC all the time! |
| 01:37:19 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:37:28 | Noodleman | hehe yeah |
| 01:37:39 | Patlabor221 | I will make a client API after I finish the converter |
| 01:37:46 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:37:52 | Patlabor221 | but I won't waste time on logic |
| 01:37:56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:38:05 | doughecka | thats what the bot programmer does |
| 01:38:07 | doughecka | right? |
| 01:38:10 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:38:25 | Patlabor221 | hence the words "bot" and "programer" in the description |
| 01:38:36 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:38:36 | Patlabor221 | I don't have time or desire to do the logic |
| 01:38:43 | doughecka | good... |
| 01:38:44 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:38:47 | Patlabor221 | I have to work more on "the other thing" |
| 01:38:58 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:39:13 | Patlabor221 | the other thing realy needs a name too |
| 01:39:32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:39:41 | doughecka | the "fly swatter model editer?" |
| 01:39:50 | Patlabor221 | that's not the other thing |
| 01:39:56 | Patlabor221 | that is BZModel |
| 01:39:59 | doughecka | ooh |
| 01:40:04 | doughecka | there you go |
| 01:40:09 | doughecka | "BZModel |
| 01:40:17 | Patlabor221 | that is not the other thing |
| 01:40:21 | Patlabor221 | the other thing is difrent |
| 01:40:37 | doughecka | ack |
| 01:40:43 | doughecka | what is the "other thing"? |
| 01:40:47 | Patlabor221 | bz model is an extension of the converter |
| 01:40:57 | Patlabor221 | the other thing is that wich the tanks were made for |
| 01:41:28 | Patlabor221 | that wich the texture manager was made for |
| 01:41:38 | Patlabor221 | that wich the glsetup class was made for |
| 01:41:47 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:41:51 | doughecka | sounds like fun |
| 01:41:55 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:42:22 | doughecka | we need this on bzflag.org/league http://heckamangroup.com/files/Clock.html |
| 01:43:20 | Patlabor221 | ohh that is 1) anoying, 2) lame and 3) proalby don't work on a lot of browsers |
| 01:43:31 | doughecka | hah |
| 01:43:35 | captain_proton | too bad its not standards compliant |
| 01:43:52 | captain_proton | doesn't work on mozilla at all |
| 01:44:00 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:44:38 | doughecka | anyone know of any free, good, windows html editor? other than notepad... |
| 01:44:50 | doughecka | and wordpad... |
| 01:44:56 | captain_proton | vim :) |
| 01:45:06 | doughecka | blah |
| 01:45:10 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:45:18 | Patlabor221 | dreamweaver |
| 01:45:26 | doughecka | free? |
| 01:45:32 | Patlabor221 | depends |
| 01:45:36 | doughecka | depends.. |
| 01:45:38 | Patlabor221 | they have a demo |
| 01:45:44 | Patlabor221 | that thing kicks |
| 01:45:48 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:45:54 | Patlabor221 | and it's only $800 |
| 01:46:00 | doughecka | so dies golive, but I dont have that on the PC |
| 01:46:12 | doughecka | only $800 huh? |
| 01:46:15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:46:42 | doughecka | got my program to run |
| 01:46:54 | Patlabor221 | your hello world |
| 01:47:02 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.194 5155 |
| 01:47:02 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 01:47:15 | bryjen | ack |
| 01:47:50 | doughecka | #include <iostream.h> int main () { cout << "Hello World! \a"; cout << "I'm a C++ program\a"; return 0;} |
| 01:47:51 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 01:47:52 | bzbot | Rogue: 3 players, score: 0 | Red: 1 players, score: 5 | Green: 1 players, score: -50 | Blue: 1 players, score: 1 | Purple: 2 players, score: -80 | |
| 01:48:01 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 01:48:02 | bzbot | Yankee Do (Green):-14 (17 wins, 31 losses). The Anti-Christ (Purple):-9 (1 wins, 10 losses). Boomer (Blue):1 (6 wins, 5 losses). Franky (Rogue):-5 (0 wins, 5 losses). asdf (Red):4 (7 wins, 3 losses). @bryjen (Rogue):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). yada (Rogue):-1 (0 wins, 1 losses). Buzz (Purple):-4 (62 wins, 66 losses). deviled egg (Rogue):22 (53 wins, 31 losses). |
| 01:48:03 | doughecka | it beeps too |
| 01:48:12 | Patlabor221 | called sysbeep() then |
| 01:48:21 | doughecka | ? |
| 01:48:27 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:48:28 | Patlabor221 | how did you make it beep? |
| 01:48:28 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:48:31 | doughecka | \a |
| 01:48:35 | Patlabor221 | ihh |
| 01:48:38 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:48:55 | Patlabor221 | call sysbeep(MB_OK); |
| 01:49:13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: um - \a is universal, sysbeep() is windows only |
| 01:49:18 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 01:49:31 | doughecka | test.exe - 4 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 01:49:32 | Patlabor221 | but \a just makes a beep, and that is booring |
| 01:49:40 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:49:46 | Patlabor221 | include windows.h |
| 01:49:53 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:50:24 | doughecka | test.exe - 3 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 01:50:35 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(11) : error C2065: 'call' : undeclared identifier |
| 01:50:35 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(11) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'sysbeep' |
| 01:50:35 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(11) : error C2065: 'sysbeep' : undeclared identifier |
| 01:50:41 | Patlabor221 | I proalby got the syntax wrong |
| 01:50:51 | Patlabor221 | where is "call" in the code? |
| 01:50:54 | doughecka | haha, Patlabor221 made an error |
| 01:51:03 | Patlabor221 | and doug is an idiot, what's new? |
| 01:51:07 | captain_proton | haha |
| 01:51:17 | Patlabor221 | I'm doing this from memory |
| 01:51:18 | doughecka | Patlabor221: under return 0; |
| 01:51:24 | Patlabor221 | why call? |
| 01:51:29 | Patlabor221 | what the hell is that for? |
| 01:51:41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you told him to call sysbeep() |
| 01:51:43 | doughecka | you gave me that |
| 01:51:50 | Patlabor221 | ohh god |
| 01:51:55 | doughecka | is confused |
| 01:52:04 | Patlabor221 | allways it seems |
| 01:52:12 | doughecka | har har |
| 01:52:20 | Patlabor221 | call means to add a call to the function |
| 01:52:26 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 01:52:29 | Patlabor221 | it was the verb in that senacen |
| 01:52:32 | doughecka | I have yet to make it that far |
| 01:52:33 | Patlabor221 | you don't put it in the code |
| 01:52:46 | doughecka | test.exe - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 01:52:46 | Patlabor221 | but you use basic you said |
| 01:53:07 | doughecka | yea? |
| 01:53:18 | Patlabor221 | my bad |
| 01:53:18 | doughecka | I DID use basic |
| 01:53:24 | Patlabor221 | it's MessageBeep(MB_OK) |
| 01:53:28 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:53:30 | Patlabor221 | sysbeep is mac |
| 01:53:38 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:53:38 | Patlabor221 | too many OS toolkits |
| 01:53:44 | doughecka | that makes sense |
| 01:53:51 | Patlabor221 | does basic not have subs? |
| 01:53:56 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:54:07 | Patlabor221 | do you not call the subs from the main program? |
| 01:54:17 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:54:33 | Patlabor221 | are subs just not "functions" in the software |
| 01:54:58 | doughecka | yyyess |
| 01:55:05 | doughecka | like goto 23? |
| 01:55:12 | doughecka | or you mean REAL subs |
| 01:55:21 | Patlabor221 | so you should be familair wiht the concept of calling a functions |
| 01:55:24 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:55:37 | Patlabor221 | goto is a goto |
| 01:55:45 | doughecka | yes |
| 01:55:45 | Patlabor221 | and if you use them in C we will beat you |
| 01:55:48 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:56:04 | Patlabor221 | I think the syntax was GOSUB |
| 01:56:04 | doughecka | how do I put a pause in C++? |
| 01:56:06 | Patlabor221 | then a return |
| 01:56:09 | Patlabor221 | you don't |
| 01:56:13 | captain_proton | pause for how long? |
| 01:56:16 | Patlabor221 | put a wait loop |
| 01:56:17 | doughecka | GOSUB is right! |
| 01:56:23 | doughecka | oh yea |
| 01:56:26 | doughecka | wait loop |
| 01:56:32 | doughecka | like in python |
| 01:56:35 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:56:40 | doughecka | I know python... |
| 01:56:41 | captain_proton | doughecka: HOW LONG A PAUSE? |
| 01:56:43 | Patlabor221 | last thing I used basic on was a comadore 64 |
| 01:56:44 | doughecka | sorta kinda |
| 01:56:51 | doughecka | captain_proton: like .5 sec |
| 01:57:10 | Patlabor221 | or just run from the command line so you can see the output |
| 01:57:34 | Patlabor221 | it's just closing the console window cus there's nothing else to do |
| 01:57:58 | Patlabor221 | you could add |
| 01:58:04 | Patlabor221 | char c; |
| 01:58:10 | Patlabor221 | getchar(&c); |
| 01:58:13 | Patlabor221 | I think that'll do it |
| 01:58:18 | Patlabor221 | that will wait for a key |
| 01:58:36 | Patlabor221 | tries to remember his console API stuff |
| 01:59:15 | Patlabor221 | ohh it would be c getchar(): |
| 01:59:25 | Patlabor221 | gahhh can't type |
| 01:59:32 | Patlabor221 | c = getchar(); |
| 02:00:26 | doughecka | k |
| 02:00:28 | Patlabor221 | who the hell is chicken_foot? |
| 02:00:41 | doughecka | what?? |
| 02:00:52 | Patlabor221 | someone sent me botmail |
| 02:01:00 | Patlabor221 | seems they feel I'm smart |
| 02:01:05 | Patlabor221 | not that that's a bad thing |
| 02:01:06 | doughecka | what could that possibly do with char(); ? |
| 02:01:26 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 02:01:32 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:01:33 | Patlabor221 | and char is a type not a function |
| 02:01:39 | doughecka | c = getchar();? |
| 02:01:47 | Patlabor221 | that is a function |
| 02:01:54 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(9) : error C2065: 'c' : undeclared identifier |
| 02:01:54 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(9) : error C2065: 'getchar' : undeclared identifier |
| 02:01:54 | Patlabor221 | but define c first |
| 02:01:56 | doughecka | ooh |
| 02:01:58 | doughecka | right |
| 02:02:02 | Patlabor221 | char c; |
| 02:02:06 | Patlabor221 | before that |
| 02:02:16 | Patlabor221 | all of this is before the return |
| 02:02:26 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:02:31 | Patlabor221 | and incluse stdio |
| 02:02:34 | Patlabor221 | and stdlib |
| 02:02:38 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:02:42 | bryjen | bzfquerylong 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 02:02:57 | Widget | Patlabor221: What is the bool bSide; in trTeleportLink? |
| 02:03:07 | doughecka | stdlib.h? |
| 02:03:12 | Widget | Patlabor221: Oh, and what does the r in tr stand for again? |
| 02:03:18 | Patlabor221 | what side of the desination teleporter the teleporter goes to |
| 02:03:21 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(11) : error C2065: 'getchar' : undeclared identifier |
| 02:03:23 | Patlabor221 | record set |
| 02:03:27 | Patlabor221 | struct realy |
| 02:03:33 | Patlabor221 | but we use s for string |
| 02:03:33 | Widget | Ah. |
| 02:03:44 | Widget | So every teleporter has an ID? |
| 02:04:01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:04:02 | captain_proton | every teleporter has 2 id's |
| 02:04:08 | captain_proton | one for each side |
| 02:04:10 | Patlabor221 | in the BZ world yes |
| 02:04:13 | Widget | OK. |
| 02:04:14 | Patlabor221 | in mine it only has 1 |
| 02:04:25 | Widget | So then why do you need a bool bSide? |
| 02:04:27 | Patlabor221 | I was going to simplify the links a vit |
| 02:04:32 | Widget | If the ID can tell you which side... |
| 02:04:45 | Patlabor221 | I was going to have 1 ID per TP |
| 02:05:02 | Patlabor221 | that makes it so I don't have to iterate the links to the bot API |
| 02:05:17 | Patlabor221 | It was a simplification |
| 02:05:32 | Patlabor221 | doug let me look up what header that's in |
| 02:05:51 | Widget | So which of these functions are you going to write? :) |
| 02:05:51 | doughecka | hrm |
| 02:05:57 | Patlabor221 | <stdio.h> |
| 02:06:01 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:06:03 | doughecka | thanks |
| 02:06:10 | Widget | Haha. |
| 02:06:14 | Patlabor221 | all of them |
| 02:06:19 | Widget | Hm. |
| 02:06:20 | Patlabor221 | if you will use them |
| 02:06:29 | doughecka | oh goody |
| 02:06:31 | doughecka | a new one |
| 02:06:32 | doughecka | C:\my programs\test.cpp(11) : warning C4002: too many actual parameters for macro 'getchar' |
| 02:06:36 | doughecka | ;) |
| 02:06:42 | Patlabor221 | how did you call it? |
| 02:06:46 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:06:47 | Widget | doughecka: What program is this? |
| 02:06:51 | doughecka | I fixed it |
| 02:06:58 | Patlabor221 | his little test console app |
| 02:07:30 | Patlabor221 | those funcs are the basic info that can be gleaned from the BZ client |
| 02:07:45 | Widget | Humhum. |
| 02:07:49 | Patlabor221 | higher level utilities could be writen on top of those |
| 02:08:10 | Patlabor221 | that would move you around obsicals, and caluate shots, etc... |
| 02:08:34 | Patlabor221 | but that is the basic low level stuff |
| 02:08:38 | Widget | Ooh, I get it. |
| 02:08:44 | Patlabor221 | unless I missed something |
| 02:09:08 | Widget | eFalg, |
| 02:09:08 | Widget | ? |
| 02:09:12 | Widget | Typo? |
| 02:09:15 | Patlabor221 | a mispelling |
| 02:09:19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:09:24 | Widget | What's eLastWorldItem? |
| 02:09:34 | Widget | Oh, never mind. |
| 02:09:38 | Widget | I think I know. |
| 02:09:41 | Patlabor221 | just a common thing I do |
| 02:09:42 | doughecka | so that means I could program a bot to go foward, turn left, etc |
| 02:09:43 | Widget | What is eRougeTeam,? |
| 02:10:00 | Patlabor221 | just put an item at the end so it's easy to get the cound |
| 02:10:06 | Widget | MoveTank(5); |
| 02:10:09 | Patlabor221 | it's the team that all rouges are on |
| 02:10:16 | doughecka | but then I could program higher level stuff... |
| 02:10:32 | Widget | TurnTank(-3.14) |
| 02:10:36 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:10:39 | doughecka | Widget: haha |
| 02:10:43 | Patlabor221 | well it will be in deg not rads |
| 02:10:47 | Widget | doughecka: No, no, that would work. |
| 02:10:48 | Widget | Oh. |
| 02:10:57 | Widget | TurnTank(-180); |
| 02:10:59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:11:01 | doughecka | Widget: ooh |
| 02:11:05 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:11:17 | Widget | doughecka: Look at the API Patlabor221 has so generously created for us. |
| 02:11:17 | doughecka | now onto something tuf |
| 02:11:18 | Patlabor221 | but I would make the API clip the moves to the move limits of regular BZ |
| 02:11:20 | Widget | doughecka: http://www.artemisgames.com/BotAPI.h |
| 02:11:23 | Patlabor221 | so you can't cheap |
| 02:11:26 | doughecka | Widget: he made it for me |
| 02:11:32 | doughecka | Widget: :) |
| 02:11:38 | Widget | Patlabor221: Aw... |
| 02:11:40 | Patlabor221 | for both of you |
| 02:11:45 | Patlabor221 | if you will use it |
| 02:11:51 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yea |
| 02:11:54 | Patlabor221 | you sure |
| 02:11:55 | doughecka | Patlabor221: no cheating |
| 02:12:24 | Patlabor221 | damn right no cheating |
| 02:12:38 | doughecka | how would you calculate where a bullet is going? that would be tuf to do.. |
| 02:12:38 | doughecka | right? |
| 02:12:56 | Patlabor221 | make a line |
| 02:13:04 | doughecka | yea... |
| 02:13:07 | Widget | char tankSpeed = 999999; //char tankSpeed = NORMAL_TANK_SPEED; |
| 02:13:07 | Patlabor221 | from your tank to a very long distnace awway |
| 02:13:22 | Patlabor221 | clip that line to each world object |
| 02:13:30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:13:37 | Patlabor221 | find the closest intersction and make a new line |
| 02:13:38 | Widget | Er... |
| 02:13:42 | Widget | I meant int |
| 02:13:47 | Patlabor221 | from there to the reflection angle |
| 02:14:01 | Patlabor221 | repeat untill max bounces |
| 02:14:17 | doughecka | k |
| 02:14:28 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:14:35 | Patlabor221 | see if each line segment intersects the projected vecor for each threat |
| 02:14:55 | doughecka | is this how chestal does it? |
| 02:15:02 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue |
| 02:15:06 | doughecka | good |
| 02:15:07 | doughecka | ;) |
| 02:15:09 | Widget | Hm... how would you calculate the angle at which to shoot a bullet if you know the velocity and direction of a target, and the velocity of the bullet? |
| 02:15:20 | doughecka | Widget: thats for you to find out |
| 02:15:27 | doughecka | :P |
| 02:15:29 | Patlabor221 | plot the lines |
| 02:15:33 | Widget | doughecka: Not if someone can tell me. :) |
| 02:15:40 | Patlabor221 | and solve for there intersection |
| 02:15:41 | doughecka | Widget: good point |
| 02:15:47 | Widget | Oh.... yes. |
| 02:15:49 | Widget | Of course. |
| 02:15:54 | Patlabor221 | it's not easy |
| 02:16:08 | Patlabor221 | as you don't know where the person will be when the shot gets there, you can only guess |
| 02:16:15 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:16:31 | doughecka | its easy to defeat a bot by moving foward and backward |
| 02:16:32 | Widget | But if they're close enough, it doesn't matter as much. |
| 02:16:36 | Patlabor221 | and since bz shots are so slow, there will be a rather large fudge factor |
| 02:16:37 | Widget | Less room to dodge. |
| 02:16:44 | doughecka | yup |
| 02:17:02 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:17:04 | Patlabor221 | that is up for the AI programer to decide |
| 02:17:15 | doughecka | made a PDF of the C++ tutorial |
| 02:17:45 | doughecka | its 170 pages |
| 02:17:47 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 02:17:50 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:18:00 | doughecka | cya l8r, its bed time... |
| 02:18:06 | doughecka | Widget: what time is it there? |
| 02:18:21 | doughecka | what is the time diference? |
| 02:18:41 | Patlabor221 | hmm seems I missed some functions. |
| 02:19:24 | doughecka | Patlabor221: tell me this: how do I get the code to use the API? do I compile it into bzflag? or is it external? |
| 02:19:42 | Patlabor221 | well right now, it's just that one fle |
| 02:19:49 | doughecka | k |
| 02:19:58 | Patlabor221 | I will write it into bz |
| 02:20:01 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:20:09 | Patlabor221 | then there will be a place with empty |
| 02:20:19 | Patlabor221 | OnInitBot(), ect,, functuions |
| 02:20:19 | doughecka | then I will compile the bot into the bin? |
| 02:20:25 | Patlabor221 | and you fill those in |
| 02:20:27 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:20:29 | Patlabor221 | and let it fly |
| 02:20:31 | doughecka | hehe |
| 02:20:33 | doughecka | hopefully |
| 02:20:41 | Patlabor221 | there will be no bin untill you compile |
| 02:20:45 | Patlabor221 | there is no "bot" |
| 02:20:51 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 02:21:00 | doughecka | and you will make the program run without a window?> |
| 02:21:06 | Patlabor221 | I could make the bot a DLL, but then it would only work on windows |
| 02:21:11 | Patlabor221 | that is the plan stan. |
| 02:21:21 | doughecka | and have it locked onto the stdout? |
| 02:21:25 | doughecka | er |
| 02:21:35 | doughecka | so I can see what is happening with -echo? |
| 02:21:42 | Patlabor221 | no it will does not need output |
| 02:21:56 | doughecka | yea, but I would like to see the output somehow... |
| 02:22:03 | doughecka | in linux you can do -echo |
| 02:22:15 | doughecka | but inwindows, it lets go of the console |
| 02:22:18 | Patlabor221 | and on windows I can do that too, I just chose not to |
| 02:22:23 | doughecka | and nothing comes back |
| 02:22:30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:22:34 | Patlabor221 | depends on how you run it |
| 02:22:41 | Patlabor221 | there is no "console" in windows |
| 02:22:50 | doughecka | er, command prompt |
| 02:23:01 | Patlabor221 | still they arn't the same as consoles in linuz |
| 02:23:12 | doughecka | eh.. |
| 02:23:15 | Patlabor221 | similar but still difrent |
| 02:23:33 | doughecka | so how would I get the -echo stuff into a window? |
| 02:23:37 | Patlabor221 | having output to a propmpt would be harder |
| 02:23:43 | Patlabor221 | and you would have to run from the prompt |
| 02:23:54 | Patlabor221 | that will keep that instance of it up |
| 02:24:06 | doughecka | I run the bot right now from a .bat file |
| 02:24:14 | Patlabor221 | that won't work |
| 02:24:22 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:24:24 | Patlabor221 | that won't keep it up |
| 02:24:29 | Patlabor221 | open a prompt first |
| 02:24:32 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:24:39 | Patlabor221 | then run the bat from that window |
| 02:24:51 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:24:54 | doughecka | with -echo? |
| 02:25:13 | Patlabor221 | sure if you want |
| 02:25:58 | Patlabor221 | you could put -I_BLOW_GOATS if you want to |
| 02:26:07 | doughecka | ha |
| 02:26:22 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:26:28 | doughecka | with -echo in linux |
| 02:26:37 | doughecka | I get all the messages and stuff |
| 02:26:43 | Patlabor221 | well try it here |
| 02:26:44 | doughecka | but in windows I cant get it |
| 02:27:04 | doughecka | blah |
| 02:27:05 | doughecka | oh well |
| 02:27:09 | doughecka | off to bed... |
| 02:27:23 | Patlabor221 | bet you didn't do it right |
| 02:27:26 | doughecka | eh? |
| 02:27:28 | Patlabor221 | you can't double clock |
| 02:27:34 | doughecka | ? |
| 02:27:34 | Patlabor221 | click on the bat |
| 02:27:41 | doughecka | I ran from a cmd prompt |
| 02:27:41 | Patlabor221 | how did you run it |
| 02:27:59 | doughecka | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\bzbot-e2\bzflag-1.7e2>bzflag -callsign DougsBot -team blue -port 5155 -echo -window ducati.bzflag.org |
| 02:28:15 | Patlabor221 | is that in the bat or did you type that in? |
| 02:28:18 | doughecka | bat |
| 02:28:24 | Patlabor221 | hwo do you run the bat? |
| 02:28:30 | doughecka | I typed in blue |
| 02:28:36 | doughecka | blue is the bat name |
| 02:28:45 | doughecka | it runs the bot |
| 02:28:51 | doughecka | but I see nothing in the window |
| 02:28:53 | Patlabor221 | but no text in the window |
| 02:28:53 | doughecka | er |
| 02:28:55 | Patlabor221 | hmm odd |
| 02:29:00 | doughecka | cmd protmp |
| 02:29:02 | Patlabor221 | that should work |
| 02:29:10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:29:13 | doughecka | nope |
| 02:29:16 | doughecka | I see nothing |
| 02:29:23 | doughecka | oh wait |
| 02:29:25 | Patlabor221 | the instnace of std out will stay untill you close the window |
| 02:29:37 | doughecka | I ran the bzflag -callsign DougsBot -team blue -port 5155 -echo -window ducati.bzflag.org without a bat |
| 02:29:49 | Patlabor221 | ohh duh |
| 02:29:51 | doughecka | and it ran the program and left me at the prompt |
| 02:29:59 | Patlabor221 | you need to turn echo on in the bat |
| 02:30:02 | doughecka | ? |
| 02:30:03 | doughecka | ooh |
| 02:30:04 | Patlabor221 | the output is being sent to the batr |
| 02:30:06 | doughecka | yes |
| 02:30:16 | Patlabor221 | I forget how to do that |
| 02:30:23 | Patlabor221 | @ECHO maybe |
| 02:30:24 | doughecka | echo on? |
| 02:30:37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:30:44 | Patlabor221 | no I think @ECHO infront of the command |
| 02:30:48 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:31:16 | doughecka | nope |
| 02:31:28 | doughecka | all that does is hehe, echos it into the window |
| 02:31:30 | Patlabor221 | I don't know about bats that much |
| 02:31:36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:31:40 | doughecka | off to google |
| 02:35:14 | doughecka | oh well |
| 02:35:17 | doughecka | bed time... |
| 02:35:22 | doughecka | sighs |
| 02:35:38 | doughecka | hyperventilates |
| 02:35:39 | Patlabor221 | don't forget to have your mom tuck you in |
| 02:35:45 | doughecka | Patlabor221: very funny |
| 02:35:53 | Patlabor221 | well I thought it was |
| 02:36:00 | Patlabor221 | the people here laughed |
| 02:36:13 | captain_proton | i laughed |
| 02:36:15 | doughecka | twisted sense of humor |
| 02:36:17 | Patlabor221 | see |
| 02:36:29 | doughecka | only proves it |
| 02:36:34 | Patlabor221 | no not twisted |
| 02:36:40 | Patlabor221 | just californian |
| 02:36:53 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:37:02 | doughecka | I hope everyone in calif aint like that |
| 02:37:53 | Patlabor221 | well new your is worse |
| 02:38:02 | Patlabor221 | sorrry new york |
| 02:38:10 | Patlabor221 | they wouldn't even help you at all |
| 02:38:27 | Patlabor221 | and they would use the F word a lot more |
| 02:38:41 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:41:29 | Patlabor221 | well time to go get the cats some food |
| 02:41:42 | doughecka | hehe |
| 02:41:57 | doughecka | off to bed |
| 02:42:31 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 03:24:57 | Widget | Nooooo! Chestal is gone! Some great disaster will surely befall us now! |
| 03:25:34 | jpablo | dum de dum |
| 03:26:47 | Widget | I'm bored. |
| 03:30:43 | Widget | Patlabor221!!!! |
| 03:30:58 | Patlabor221 | widget!!!!!!! |
| 03:31:01 | Widget | Patlabor221: Where was that API again? |
| 03:31:06 | Patlabor221 | my god man |
| 03:31:09 | Patlabor221 | how have you been |
| 03:31:12 | Patlabor221 | it's been soo long |
| 03:31:17 | Widget | http://www.artemisgames.com/¿¿¿¿¿¿ |
| 03:31:29 | Patlabor221 | I mean I can't even rember what your face looks like |
| 03:31:45 | Patlabor221 | the years have torn us appart man |
| 03:31:46 | Widget | It's been a full two hours. |
| 03:31:53 | Patlabor221 | botapi.h |
| 03:31:55 | Widget | WHERE'S THE API!?!? |
| 03:31:57 | Widget | Merci. |
| 03:32:07 | Patlabor221 | no more like 45 min |
| 03:32:23 | Widget | Impossible. I've been reading for the past hour. |
| 03:33:22 | Patlabor221 | well perhaps you had left before I signed off |
| 03:33:33 | Patlabor221 | and you made me think you were here |
| 03:33:38 | Patlabor221 | I don't apriciate your ruse. |
| 03:40:44 | Patlabor221 | widget there were some things I need to add to that header |
| 03:41:06 | Patlabor221 | forgot about little thigns, like oh say, shots |
| 03:41:14 | Widget | There was fireshot. |
| 03:42:32 | Patlabor221 | yeah but there is no way to iterate throuhg the shots against you |
| 03:43:36 | Patlabor221 | and know lasers and stuff |
| 03:43:48 | Patlabor221 | and I think I need some more callbacks |
| 03:43:54 | Patlabor221 | like OnLockOn |
| 03:43:59 | Patlabor221 | OnFlag |
| 03:44:14 | Patlabor221 | OnThreatInRadius |
| 03:45:32 | Widget | What do you mean by "OnThreatInRadius"? |
| 03:45:46 | Widget | How about it automatically extrapolates the trajectories of every shot... |
| 03:45:55 | Patlabor221 | somone is within a certan distance of you |
| 03:45:56 | Widget | And you have a callback OnThreat() |
| 03:46:06 | Widget | If the trajectory intersects your position. |
| 03:46:17 | Widget | That would make it sooo much easier. |
| 03:46:20 | Patlabor221 | that is something that needs to be done by the AI |
| 03:46:28 | Patlabor221 | as you may want to tweak it |
| 03:46:36 | Widget | Tweak what? |
| 03:46:44 | Patlabor221 | when you detect thos |
| 03:46:51 | Widget | Well, how (using your API) could you even detect foreign shots or their trajectories? |
| 03:46:52 | Patlabor221 | remember everyone is moving |
| 03:47:05 | Widget | So? |
| 03:47:09 | Widget | Once a shot is fired.... |
| 03:47:12 | Patlabor221 | that would be a utility function writen on top of the AI |
| 03:47:18 | Patlabor221 | it's path is fixed |
| 03:47:18 | Widget | It will continue on a predetermined course. |
| 03:47:21 | Patlabor221 | but your's is not |
| 03:47:21 | Widget | Yes. |
| 03:47:25 | Widget | So? |
| 03:47:25 | Patlabor221 | you move |
| 03:47:38 | Widget | It could trigger the callback whenever you intersect the trajectory |
| 03:47:43 | Patlabor221 | if it intersects your pos now, you may not be there when it arives |
| 03:47:55 | Patlabor221 | like I said, that would be a utility function |
| 03:48:00 | Widget | Yes, but at least you could make sure to move if it intersects your position. |
| 03:48:02 | Patlabor221 | the API is just for the stuff that BZ knows |
| 03:48:30 | Patlabor221 | in the think callback you call the utill funtion to see if there are intersects |
| 03:48:59 | Widget | I don't think you really need a callback OnThreatInRadius..... |
| 03:49:05 | Widget | Threats can come from any radius. |
| 03:49:23 | Patlabor221 | no I don't but it would be very easy |
| 03:49:23 | Patlabor221 | it was just an idea |
| 03:49:43 | Patlabor221 | ummm a radius is a circle |
| 03:49:50 | Patlabor221 | at a distance from a point |
| 03:50:13 | Widget | Yes. |
| 03:50:19 | Widget | I know... |
| 03:50:25 | Patlabor221 | this would just be something that tells you a dude is near your tank |
| 03:50:32 | Widget | Someone with a laser can kill you from any distance. |
| 03:50:39 | Widget | But sure, it would be fine to have it. |
| 03:50:39 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:50:49 | Patlabor221 | and that callback is not for those cases |
| 03:51:05 | Patlabor221 | it's for when a tank is near you |
| 03:52:09 | Patlabor221 | but at least it needs a shot iterator |
| 03:52:19 | Widget | Shot iterator? |
| 03:52:28 | Patlabor221 | yes like the player iterator |
| 03:52:32 | Widget | It should tell you when you're out of shots. |
| 03:52:34 | Patlabor221 | and the world item iterator |
| 03:52:39 | Patlabor221 | yes that too |
| 03:52:54 | Patlabor221 | but this is one that gets you the list of shots in the world and where they are |
| 03:53:05 | Patlabor221 | so you can do all that wonderfull line ploting stuff |
| 03:53:59 | Widget | Well... it would be nice to have a function that tells you the direction and velocity of all shots within a certain radius. |
| 03:54:17 | Patlabor221 | this will tell you the position of all shots |
| 03:54:20 | Patlabor221 | and there vector |
| 03:54:23 | Patlabor221 | and time to live |
| 03:54:26 | Widget | Which will? |
| 03:54:33 | Patlabor221 | the shot iterator |
| 03:54:37 | Widget | Oh. |
| 03:54:46 | Widget | What's a world item iterator and player iterator? |
| 03:55:04 | Patlabor221 | those function that return the nimber of players |
| 03:55:12 | Patlabor221 | and a specific player's info |
| 03:55:28 | Widget | Info? |
| 03:55:47 | Patlabor221 | yes the function that reuturns a trPlayerInfo struct |
| 03:56:05 | Widget | Ah. |
| 03:56:06 | Patlabor221 | that struct has all the info about a player state |
| 03:57:13 | Patlabor221 | that is a form of an iteration device |
| 03:57:21 | Patlabor221 | it lets you get a list of things |
| 03:57:24 | Patlabor221 | and info about them |
| 03:59:21 | Widget | What is a player's rotation measured against? |
| 03:59:40 | Widget | And their position. |
| 04:00:09 | Patlabor221 | world |
| 04:00:16 | Patlabor221 | middle of the map |
| 04:00:21 | Widget | Oh. |
| 04:00:26 | Patlabor221 | AKA "the all mightly ORIGIN" |
| 04:00:31 | Widget | Ah. |
| 04:00:36 | Patlabor221 | all must heed the origin |
| 04:00:38 | Widget | And what is afRot measured against? |
| 04:00:45 | Wing_ | I can't get this stupid underscore off my name... |
| 04:00:47 | Widget | And what do each of the elements in afRot store? |
| 04:00:54 | Widget | Wing_: /nick Wing |
| 04:01:10 | Widget | Wing_: Type it. |
| 04:01:15 | Wing_ | It says already in use |
| 04:01:24 | Patlabor221 | then somone else has it |
| 04:01:27 | Widget | Yes. |
| 04:01:29 | Patlabor221 | did you register it |
| 04:01:38 | Widget | Mr. Tony Lynn, |
| 04:01:43 | Widget | -10-11- 12[wing12] 14(~wing@croak.org14) : Tony Lynn |
| 04:01:43 | Widget | -10-11- 12[wing12] irc.openprojects.net :http://www.openprojects.net/ |
| 04:01:43 | Widget | -10-11- 12[wing12] idle 1103:44:39, signon: 11Thu Aug 1 00:08:27 |
| 04:01:43 | Widget | -10-11- 12[wing12] End of WHOIS list. |
| 04:02:00 | Patlabor221 | BZ would only use 1 of the rot components, I just put in 3 outa habit |
| 04:02:09 | Widget | Ah. :) |
| 04:02:25 | Patlabor221 | full 3 space coords would use 3 |
| 04:02:32 | Patlabor221 | but then I'd make it a quat or a vector |
| 04:02:45 | Widget | What axis would it be measured against? A line going through the origin to the north? |
| 04:02:53 | Patlabor221 | I think that is Y |
| 04:02:56 | Patlabor221 | Y+ |
| 04:03:02 | Patlabor221 | so that would be 90 |
| 04:03:03 | Widget | Rotation just needs one, since the tank can't point up or down. |
| 04:03:16 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 04:03:23 | Widget | Yes, I was about to say. |
| 04:03:28 | Widget | Hm.... |
| 04:03:46 | Widget | Why is the line going N/S through the origin 90º? |
| 04:04:05 | Patlabor221 | Y+ is just 90 |
| 04:04:10 | Patlabor221 | and Y- is 270 |
| 04:04:23 | Widget | So basically it's measured from the line extending from the origin to east. |
| 04:04:25 | Patlabor221 | that's just the way euclidian geometyry works, sorry |
| 04:04:33 | Patlabor221 | east is arbitrary |
| 04:04:45 | Widget | But there's an N floating on the radar. |
| 04:04:48 | Widget | So N is market. |
| 04:04:51 | Widget | Marked. |
| 04:04:54 | Patlabor221 | once again aribitrary |
| 04:05:04 | Wing_ | ill be leaving then... |
| 04:05:07 | Widget | Yes, but why is the N 90º? |
| 04:05:29 | Patlabor221 | there is nothing in euclidian geom called "North" |
| 04:05:37 | Patlabor221 | they just desided to draw that in there |
| 04:05:46 | Patlabor221 | all coords in bz are stored in X Y and Z |
| 04:05:54 | Widget | Of course not, but it would be easier if it were N. |
| 04:05:59 | Patlabor221 | nort is just for humas |
| 04:06:06 | Patlabor221 | what is "north" |
| 04:06:12 | Widget | OK, why didn't they have the N along the Y axis, then? |
| 04:06:18 | Patlabor221 | becasue |
| 04:06:24 | Patlabor221 | for the hell of it |
| 04:06:34 | Patlabor221 | and Y is usualy refered to as vertical |
| 04:06:34 | Widget | Curses. |
| 04:06:42 | Patlabor221 | ohh live with it |
| 04:06:43 | Widget | OK, vertical then. |
| 04:07:07 | Patlabor221 | it all has to do with sin and cos |
| 04:07:16 | Patlabor221 | did you take geometry in school? |
| 04:08:31 | Patlabor221 | I may be wrong on the whole North thing, but I seem to rember that it is Y+ |
| 04:08:57 | Patlabor221 | cus your north to you is difrent in the real world then it is to me |
| 04:11:01 | Patlabor221 | if you wanted the angle relitive to north it would be realy easy to get |
| 04:48:40 | Patlabor221 | how was the taco? |
| 04:49:36 | jpablo | oh pretty good. |
| 04:49:48 | jpablo | i eat 5 tacos de trompo and 1 campechana. |
| 04:50:13 | Patlabor221 | you know |
| 04:50:20 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue what those are :) |
| 04:50:52 | jpablo | basicaly the trompo is pig with some special preparation. |
| 04:51:06 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 04:51:10 | Patlabor221 | so pig taco |
| 04:51:12 | Widget | pig or big? |
| 04:51:13 | Widget | Or both? |
| 04:51:28 | Widget | x es en trompo |
| 04:51:32 | jpablo | and a campechana is a taco of trompo and cow meat. |
| 04:51:34 | jpablo | pig |
| 04:51:35 | Widget | ibot: x es en trompo |
| 04:51:39 | Patlabor221 | big pig, it rhymes :) |
| 04:51:39 | | Widget: I spin a top |
| 04:51:44 | Widget | Huh!?!? |
| 04:52:20 | jpablo | and a campechana is a taco of trompo and cow meat and chesse and this green thing that i don't remember his english name. |
| 04:52:22 | | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 04:52:22 | Patlabor221 | ibot: hit it! |
| 04:52:39 | | jpablo: excuse me? |
| 04:52:39 | jpablo | ibot: x es us agucate |
| 04:52:44 | Widget | ibot: x es en trompar |
| 04:52:46 | jpablo | ibot: x es en agucate |
| 04:52:47 | | Widget: to spin a top |
| 04:52:50 | | jpablo: agucate |
| 04:53:05 | Widget | jpablo: So trompar is "to spin a top" and "trompo" is I spin a top? |
| 04:53:10 | Widget | So a taco of i spin a top |
| 04:53:18 | | Widget: excuse me? |
| 04:53:18 | Widget | ibot: es en tact de trompo |
| 04:53:21 | jpablo | humm no. |
| 04:53:24 | Widget | ibot: x es en taco de trompo |
| 04:53:34 | | Widget: I mark of I spin a top |
| 04:53:36 | jpablo | a trompo is thing spining thing that kids play with. |
| 04:54:12 | jpablo | and the pig meat is prepared on a thingy that recalls a trompo. |
| 04:54:20 | jpablo | and is spined around the fire. |
| 04:54:22 | Widget | Ah. |
| 04:54:29 | Patlabor221 | so fire pig taco |
| 04:54:33 | Widget | ibot: x es en tacar |
| 04:54:38 | | Widget: to mark |
| 04:54:44 | Widget | So a taco is "I mark". |
| 04:54:46 | Widget | :) |
| 04:54:46 | jpablo | http://www.lasparrillitas.com/menu.htm |
| 04:55:02 | jpablo | the first foto is a taco de trompo. |
| 04:55:39 | Widget | jpablo: Did you make your tacos yourself? |
| 04:55:49 | jpablo | nope. |
| 04:56:50 | Patlabor221 | widget are you gonna be ok wiht X+ being rotation zero? |
| 04:57:19 | Widget | What's X+? |
| 04:57:25 | Widget | , the ignorant. |
| 04:57:30 | Patlabor221 | the X axis in the positive direction |
| 04:57:32 | jpablo | http://www.climbminnesota.com/Resources/Taco's%20Pastor.JPG |
| 04:57:41 | jpablo | that's what i eated. |
| 04:57:54 | Patlabor221 | the entire thing |
| 04:57:57 | Patlabor221 | wow you must be full |
| 04:58:03 | Patlabor221 | or realy realy god damned fat |
| 04:58:08 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:58:16 | jpablo | well not the entire thing :-P |
| 04:58:21 | jpablo | just 5 tacos. |
| 04:58:27 | captain_proton | wakes up |
| 04:58:45 | Patlabor221 | widget all the geometric functions will use the standard right hand coordinate system |
| 04:59:03 | Patlabor221 | cap, what is north in a BZ map? Y+ or X+? |
| 04:59:08 | Widget | Patlabor221: OK. |
| 04:59:11 | captain_proton | yes |
| 04:59:16 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 04:59:28 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 04:59:32 | Patlabor221 | IIRC it was Y+ |
| 04:59:41 | Patlabor221 | you are suposed to know more about this then me |
| 05:00:15 | Patlabor221 | well I can look it up later |
| 05:00:26 | Widget | I had a physics teacher who always answered "yes" to a choice. |
| 05:00:36 | Widget | Patlabor221: Can I see what you have so far? I want to see how you go about this. |
| 05:00:50 | Patlabor221 | you have seen what I have so far |
| 05:01:09 | Patlabor221 | I have to finish the converter first |
| 05:01:16 | Patlabor221 | it's still in the design stage |
| 05:01:25 | jpablo | lalala The Trompo owns you. |
| 05:01:26 | Widget | Ah. |
| 05:01:34 | Widget | La taco de trompo. |
| 05:01:34 | Patlabor221 | hece why I am "interviewing" my target user :) |
| 05:01:45 | Widget | It's not bzdoug? |
| 05:01:49 | Widget | I feel speshul. :) |
| 05:01:58 | Patlabor221 | it's both of you |
| 05:02:05 | Patlabor221 | but he has no clue how to code |
| 05:02:19 | Patlabor221 | and it seems like you have a tinny bettter inkling |
| 05:02:27 | Widget | No, I just fake it. |
| 05:02:32 | MrApathyCream | Z is up i believe |
| 05:02:35 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what I thought |
| 05:02:37 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 05:02:45 | Patlabor221 | but where is "north" |
| 05:03:00 | MrApathyCream | +Y i think |
| 05:03:05 | Patlabor221 | easyset thing to do is make a map with 1 thing at a Y+ coord |
| 05:03:13 | Patlabor221 | that's what I remember too |
| 05:03:26 | Patlabor221 | widget can you write in C? |
| 05:03:42 | Widget | Patlabor221: Yes. I haven't written anything of use ever though. |
| 05:04:03 | Patlabor221 | still you have some understanding of the language correct? |
| 05:04:10 | Widget | Yes. |
| 05:04:13 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:04:23 | Widget | I've taken all the classes my school offers. (Which doesn't mean much) |
| 05:04:27 | Patlabor221 | that's all you would realy need to have to be able to make this do things |
| 05:04:37 | Patlabor221 | ohh you'll be fine then |
| 05:04:47 | Patlabor221 | when I told doug to call sysbeep |
| 05:04:56 | Patlabor221 | he put "call sysbeep" in his code |
| 05:05:00 | jpablo | oh, C curses generaly sucks :) |
| 05:05:42 | Patlabor221 | well still I don't feel like making hooks to a scripting lanuguage |
| 05:06:01 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think that anyone want's to implement A* in pearl |
| 05:06:25 | Patlabor221 | and all the game logic |
| 05:06:38 | jpablo | yeah, C is fine for a bot api, but don't spect that sombody who doesn't really know the languaje be able to use it. |
| 05:06:55 | Patlabor221 | and this bothers me why? :) |
| 05:07:10 | jpablo | :( |
| 05:07:15 | jpablo | :) |
| 05:07:22 | jpablo | FUCKING KEYBOARD |
| 05:07:29 | Patlabor221 | this is why i don't want to make it unless someone will use it |
| 05:07:49 | jpablo | oh, if it's good somebody will. |
| 05:07:49 | Patlabor221 | well you have fun with that jpablo, just remember to clean it off when you are done |
| 05:07:59 | Patlabor221 | it'll be very simple |
| 05:07:59 | Widget | jpablo: I know, it's horrible. The () keys are to the left of where they are on real keyboards. |
| 05:08:18 | Patlabor221 | you mean () is not above 9 and 0? |
| 05:08:40 | jpablo | it is abobe 9 and 0 that's the problem. |
| 05:08:43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: its easy to create a cheating tank with your API as it stands |
| 05:08:48 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:09:12 | Patlabor221 | I was going to clip the movements to the bz limts |
| 05:09:29 | Patlabor221 | but this is why I was saying a true bot API can't be made till 1.8 where all the stuff is server side |
| 05:09:32 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:09:44 | captain_proton | better to just set linear and angular velocities? |
| 05:10:00 | Patlabor221 | set by the bot? |
| 05:10:03 | Patlabor221 | or set internal |
| 05:10:07 | captain_proton | set by the bot |
| 05:10:18 | Patlabor221 | I want to bot to have the same controols as a user |
| 05:10:25 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:10:35 | captain_proton | set linear and angular velocities within [0,1] |
| 05:10:36 | Patlabor221 | and that is just mouse pos in each axis and fire and jump |
| 05:10:50 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:10:57 | Patlabor221 | then it's the same functions |
| 05:11:03 | Patlabor221 | just change the input |
| 05:11:10 | Patlabor221 | definititions |
| 05:11:30 | Patlabor221 | they still both take floats |
| 05:11:43 | Patlabor221 | and it would need to go form -1 to +1 |
| 05:12:25 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:12:34 | captain_proton | remember a tank only goes 1/2 speed backwards |
| 05:12:41 | Patlabor221 | bot would have to know how to calabrate it tho so it could stop on a specific angle |
| 05:13:00 | Patlabor221 | I was going to look it all up |
| 05:13:06 | Patlabor221 | when I got to implementing it |
| 05:13:38 | captain_proton | isn't that a bot-side thing? |
| 05:13:47 | captain_proton | just provide a way to query the current azimuth |
| 05:14:15 | captain_proton | then the bot can set the angular to 0 when it hits the right angle |
| 05:15:08 | Patlabor221 | what if it dosn't hit exactly on a think interval |
| 05:15:32 | Patlabor221 | how would you prevent it from boouncing back and forth |
| 05:15:56 | Patlabor221 | just because it knows where it is, dosn't mean it knows how far to move in 1 update time |
| 05:16:20 | captain_proton | you'd have to use < |
| 05:16:43 | Patlabor221 | it would have to know the scale of the paramater |
| 05:16:58 | captain_proton | and the bot's own execution time will be much faster than the packet rate |
| 05:17:22 | Patlabor221 | still, your relying on update time to get targeting acuracy, that's lame |
| 05:17:45 | Patlabor221 | if it knew the velocity and how long an average update is |
| 05:17:58 | Patlabor221 | then it could move to the exaxt postion |
| 05:18:08 | Patlabor221 | and make partal speed rotations |
| 05:18:55 | Patlabor221 | I should also make it so that the bot can reveve direct messages |
| 05:19:04 | captain_proton | the bot-writer could calculate update time |
| 05:19:05 | Patlabor221 | so that bots can "talk to each other" |
| 05:19:27 | Patlabor221 | yes but he would also need to know what 1.0 means in a rotation |
| 05:19:39 | captain_proton | full angular speed |
| 05:20:02 | Patlabor221 | if I have them specify it as the angle they want to move |
| 05:20:04 | Patlabor221 | and clamp them |
| 05:20:07 | Patlabor221 | it's a lot easyer |
| 05:20:28 | captain_proton | why make things easier for the bot writer? ;) |
| 05:20:37 | Patlabor221 | ummm welll.... |
| 05:20:48 | Patlabor221 | so that people make stuff with it |
| 05:21:05 | Patlabor221 | API's are suposed to make it easyer |
| 05:21:13 | Patlabor221 | not just dump a bunch of shit |
| 05:21:30 | Patlabor221 | man you realy are lazy huh |
| 05:21:44 | Widget | Patlabor221: Will the bot account for lag? |
| 05:21:46 | Widget | Patlabor221: For instance.... |
| 05:21:48 | Widget | Patlabor221: Will it return the position of a tank based on what the server tells it AND the lagstat for the tank? |
| 05:21:53 | Widget | So will you be able to move at partial speed? |
| 05:21:59 | Patlabor221 | no it won't know about that |
| 05:21:59 | Widget | Me? :) |
| 05:22:04 | Patlabor221 | but it can tell you the lag to the server |
| 05:22:09 | Patlabor221 | and each persons lag |
| 05:22:12 | Patlabor221 | no cap |
| 05:22:14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, if you do add 'goal angles', at least expose setAngularVelocity() and getAngle() |
| 05:22:24 | Patlabor221 | that I can do |
| 05:22:45 | jacques | lol, some ppl have such perfect aim and driving skills that I feel as if I a mplaying machines |
| 05:22:46 | Patlabor221 | what is done for lag is up to the type of bot logic |
| 05:23:04 | Patlabor221 | you would not want the API to do that for you |
| 05:23:30 | Patlabor221 | a good bot designer would put in a little fudge so the bot wasn't perfect |
| 05:23:43 | Patlabor221 | so it dosn't run like a terminator |
| 05:24:08 | Patlabor221 | cap I have get angle in there, player 0 is allways the bot |
| 05:24:16 | Patlabor221 | and you can get it's full pos info |
| 05:24:23 | Patlabor221 | need to add vel info too |
| 05:25:27 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to expose the specifics of how BZ handles everything |
| 05:25:50 | Patlabor221 | in theroy if the API is good engouth then the backend could be changed to anything |
| 05:26:37 | Patlabor221 | I'll add some more to the thing later |
| 05:26:48 | Patlabor221 | like time |
| 05:26:55 | Patlabor221 | and the geting of the constants |
| 05:27:02 | Patlabor221 | and the shot stuff |
| 05:29:39 | Patlabor221 | but now comes the time for the noctournal embrace of sleep |
| 05:29:51 | Patlabor221 | lest I pass out at the keyboard |
| 05:29:57 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 05:36:53 | captain_proton | starts remaking the player class |
| 05:43:07 | BZFlag | why? |
| 05:43:57 | captain_proton | separating it into Player and VisiblePlayer, so that Player can also be used in bzfs |
| 05:44:24 | captain_proton | right now its dependent on all the scene node stuff |
| 06:07:58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: uhm... |
| 06:08:08 | captain_proton | why are localWins and localLosses in Player instead of LocalPlayer? |
| 06:08:14 | captain_proton | err |
| 06:08:15 | captain_proton | hum |
| 06:09:50 | captain_proton | decides to move those into VisiblePlayer |
| 07:01:26 | captain_proton | mornin' ritchie_ |
| 07:02:16 | ritchie_ | hiya |
| 07:10:20 | Widget | Good morning, ritchie_. |
| 07:10:59 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 07:38:36 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 08:23:00 | Chestal | 1 |
| 08:23:45 | captain_proton | mornin' Chestal |
| 09:58:52 | Sadista | hallo, is paul running somewhere ? |
| 10:15:10 | Cuotos | hey hey |
| 10:15:45 | Cuotos | hello? |
| 10:45:11 | strayer | hi |
| 10:51:25 | akira_ | moin |
| 10:57:05 | strayer | akira_: glueck auf... |
| 11:17:29 | jzaun | bzfquery jzaun.com 5157 |
| 11:17:31 | bzbot | Rogue: 1 players, score: 0 | Red: 1 players, score: -3 | Green: 2 players, score: -23 | Blue: 3 players, score: 0 | |
| 11:18:21 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: how 'bout 20 minute rotations? :) |
| 11:19:13 | jzaun | 60 too long for ya? It actually rotates after 60 min. *or* after everyone leaves the world |
| 11:19:51 | MrApathyCream | i want to see all the worlds, it will take me a lifetime at this rate :) |
| 11:20:17 | jzaun | There arn't that many worlds... yet. |
| 11:21:02 | jzaun | One of my worlds is up and running :-) |
| 11:23:20 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5157 |
| 11:23:21 | bzbot | paneb (Red):2 (2 wins, 0 losses). Jean-Michel (Green):-1 (0 wins, 1 losses). aouzl (Blue):1 (2 wins, 1 losses). flip (Red):0 (2 wins, 2 losses). bad boy (Green):-22 (0 wins, 22 losses). okapi le sanguinaire (Blue):-3 (4 wins, 7 losses). nick (Red):3 (16 wins, 13 losses). |
| 11:29:58 | akira_ | hello MrApathyCream |
| 11:30:55 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 11:31:15 | akira_ | in which version is the jumping problem solved? |
| 11:33:03 | MrApathyCream | my 1.7f7 4 windows has it |
| 11:33:14 | MrApathyCream | otherwise you need to build it yourself with patch from sf |
| 11:33:42 | akira_ | f7? |
| 11:33:54 | akira_ | is f7 the successor of e? |
| 11:34:18 | MrApathyCream | i make 'auxillary' builds from cvs code plus patches |
| 11:34:29 | MrApathyCream | to differentiate, i call them f versions |
| 11:34:48 | MrApathyCream | f7 is e6 plus a view patches |
| 11:35:00 | MrApathyCream | Which ones are detailed on my sourcecode page |
| 11:35:10 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 11:35:26 | MrApathyCream | er, few patches |
| 11:36:06 | akira_ | the adjustable radar opacity -> is this your code or mine and chestals patch? |
| 11:36:30 | MrApathyCream | mine, at this point, haven't gotten around to puttin yours in |
| 11:37:56 | akira_ | perhaps one should bring our both stuff together |
| 11:38:20 | MrApathyCream | i'm sure yours is just a superset of mine. |
| 11:38:28 | MrApathyCream | I would just use yours |
| 11:38:31 | akira_ | think so too |
| 11:38:44 | akira_ | the first version of my patch was a bit different |
| 11:38:46 | MrApathyCream | but converting f7 to that involves remerging all the patches which is a pain |
| 11:38:57 | akira_ | second just goes into your direction ... |
| 11:39:01 | akira_ | :) |
| 11:40:32 | akira_ | perhaps i will do this in the next time .. all of the patche but without the opacity patch |
| 12:18:28 | jzaun | Hey... I'm playing with a perl script a bit, what is a inertia style? |
| 12:18:55 | jzaun | 0x0010? |
| 12:19:47 | bzdoug | moin |
| 12:20:04 | jzaun | :-) G'Morning |
| 12:21:08 | bzdoug | what perl script? |
| 12:21:22 | jzaun | bzfquery.pl |
| 12:21:32 | bzdoug | oh |
| 12:26:49 | bzdoug | lo ritchie_ |
| 12:36:51 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 13:06:43 | jzaun | If anyone wants to try out http://justin.jzaun.com/bzfquery.pl feelfree (non-cgi, have to dload) |
| 13:07:40 | bzdoug | k |
| 13:07:51 | bzdoug | darn, dont have perl installed |
| 13:08:03 | bzdoug | jzaun: what does it do now? |
| 13:14:18 | paulj | is back (gone 18:56:26) |
| 13:48:14 | bzdoug | sighs |
| 13:49:31 | paulj | bzdoug: why dont you just go install linux. :) |
| 13:50:01 | bzdoug | haha |
| 13:50:26 | bzdoug | I am waiting for my ebay autions to end so I can get a new motherboard |
| 13:50:27 | bzdoug | :) |
| 13:51:31 | bzdoug | wanna buy something? |
| 13:51:33 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 13:54:39 | paulj | from ebay? no... my credit card is still reeling from my last few ebay splurges. |
| 13:54:46 | bzdoug | haha |
| 13:55:52 | paulj | (SGI O2 R10k, SGI 1600SW, SGI O2 DFP, 512MB RAM - just over $2k in total over the last year) |
| 13:56:02 | bzdoug | wow |
| 13:56:13 | paulj | and that's just SGI kit :) |
| 13:56:44 | paulj | O2's are < $500 now on ebay.. |
| 13:56:49 | bzdoug | well, I sold a 486 laptop on ebay for 40 bucks, and now I got a gf2 card form ebay |
| 13:56:52 | bzdoug | paulj: haha |
| 13:57:54 | bzdoug | and a guy bid on a broken palm IIIx |
| 13:58:03 | bzdoug | for $10 |
| 13:58:05 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 13:58:06 | paulj | :) |
| 13:59:45 | bzdoug | lo akira_!!! |
| 13:59:47 | akira_ | hallodir |
| 13:59:47 | bzdoug | moin! |
| 13:59:50 | bzdoug | greetings! |
| 13:59:56 | bzdoug | salutations! |
| 14:00:15 | akira_ | bzbotquery ducatic.org 5156 |
| 14:00:27 | akira_ | bzfquery ducatic.org 5156 |
| 14:00:27 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 14:00:32 | bzdoug | ? |
| 14:00:35 | bzdoug | new domain? |
| 14:00:41 | akira_ | bzfquery ducatic.unix-ag.org 5156 |
| 14:00:41 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 14:00:47 | akira_ | bzfquery ducati.unix-ag.org 5156 |
| 14:00:47 | bzbot | Red: 1 players, score: 2 | Green: 1 players, score: -2 | |
| 14:00:49 | akira_ | ah |
| 14:00:50 | akira_ | the c |
| 14:01:12 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 14:02:11 | bzdoug | akira_: you use linux right? |
| 14:17:48 | jpablo | Ohayo gozaimasu |
| 14:17:54 | jpablo | Ohayo |
| 14:18:00 | bzdoug | hey jpablo |
| 14:18:48 | jpablo | heya bz |
| 14:18:50 | jpablo | heya bzdoug |
| 14:26:02 | bzdoug | 34fJmoWjPcvDI |
| 14:27:31 | bzdoug | lo patlabor221 |
| 14:27:35 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 14:27:45 | bzdoug | good morning... |
| 14:28:06 | bzdoug | lo MrCooper-work |
| 14:29:36 | bzdoug | is installing perl |
| 14:29:44 | MrCooper-work | hey bzdoug |
| 14:30:04 | patlabor221 | gonna lear perl? |
| 14:30:18 | bzdoug | maybe, but I want to get bzfquery running |
| 14:30:21 | bzdoug | see what he did |
| 14:30:28 | bzdoug | <jzaun> If anyone wants to try out http://justin.jzaun.com/bzfquery.pl feelfree (non-cgi, have to dload) |
| 14:30:28 | MrCooper-work | installing? it's part of standard ;) |
| 14:30:34 | bzdoug | MrCooper-work: haha |
| 14:33:21 | bzdoug | wow |
| 14:33:28 | bzdoug | he did alot of work on bzfquery |
| 14:33:35 | bzdoug | its very nice.. |
| 14:36:51 | bzdoug | bzdoug = <reply> BZDoug is nice |
| 14:37:00 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 14:37:00 | bzdoug | ibot bzdoug = <reply> BZDoug is nice |
| 14:37:05 | | no idea, bzdoug |
| 14:37:05 | bzdoug | ibot bzdoug? |
| 14:37:10 | | bzdoug: sorry... |
| 14:37:10 | bzdoug | ibot bzdoug |
| 14:37:17 | bzdoug | blah |
| 14:38:03 | patlabor221 | I think he's busted |
| 14:38:09 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 14:38:17 | bzdoug | busted aint the right word... |
| 14:38:28 | bzdoug | hes borken |
| 14:38:32 | | bzdoug: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:38:32 | bzdoug | ibot borken? |
| 14:38:56 | patlabor221 | busted means broken |
| 14:39:10 | patlabor221 | ether that or somone has been using it for spam |
| 14:39:28 | bzdoug | spam? |
| 14:39:41 | patlabor221 | yeah botmail messages |
| 14:39:44 | bzdoug | oohh, you mean the botmail? I got those too |
| 14:40:02 | bzdoug | things like: geeks for usa and stuff? |
| 14:40:29 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 14:40:37 | bzdoug | heh |
| 14:50:15 | | bzdoug: excuse me? |
| 14:50:15 | bzdoug | ibot usair flight 781 |
| 14:55:08 | patlabor221 | she be busted, don't taunt it |
| 14:55:55 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 14:56:52 | patlabor221 | what types of shots are there |
| 14:56:55 | patlabor221 | regular |
| 14:56:56 | patlabor221 | super |
| 14:57:00 | patlabor221 | guided |
| 14:57:04 | patlabor221 | lazer |
| 14:57:07 | patlabor221 | antying else? |
| 14:57:11 | bzdoug | shockwave |
| 14:57:31 | patlabor221 | ahh yes |
| 14:57:33 | bzdoug | geno |
| 14:57:55 | patlabor221 | but that behaves like a regular |
| 14:57:58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 14:57:59 | bzdoug | yea |
| 14:58:47 | patlabor221 | anything esle? |
| 14:58:56 | bzdoug | I cant think of anything else |
| 14:59:08 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:00:40 | patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 15:00:53 | patlabor221 | please test it in a serperate channel |
| 15:01:04 | bzdoug | yea, I did in #heckaman |
| 15:01:18 | bzdoug | tring out the join #channel |
| 15:01:21 | bzdoug | and it crashed |
| 15:01:28 | patlabor221 | well that's not good |
| 15:01:32 | bzdoug | boom |
| 15:01:52 | bzdoug | did not help that I deleted the process though |
| 15:02:54 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 15:03:00 | patlabor221 | that's not a nice thing to do |
| 15:03:05 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:05:43 | angelina | hello |
| 15:05:47 | bzdoug | hi |
| 15:05:50 | | no I don't want to |
| 15:05:50 | bzdoug | ibot say hi |
| 15:06:01 | bzdoug | yup, it busted |
| 15:06:03 | angelina | ibot is mean to me |
| 15:06:14 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:06:19 | patlabor221 | Ibot is cranky right now it seesm |
| 15:06:27 | jzaun | where can I get bzworld from? |
| 15:06:33 | bzdoug | it has a personality? |
| 15:06:42 | patlabor221 | somone is using it for spam |
| 15:06:59 | patlabor221 | what is bzworld? |
| 15:07:11 | angelina | map editor? |
| 15:07:17 | jzaun | yah |
| 15:07:24 | patlabor221 | the java one? |
| 15:07:30 | jzaun | yah |
| 15:07:32 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 15:07:32 | angelina | isnt that bzedit? |
| 15:07:39 | patlabor221 | no that's the regular one |
| 15:07:43 | angelina | ahh |
| 15:07:44 | patlabor221 | cap's and mine |
| 15:08:06 | patlabor221 | I was never able to get the java one to work |
| 15:09:14 | jzaun | yah but whats the addr to it? |
| 15:09:48 | patlabor221 | ohh man |
| 15:09:56 | patlabor221 | it was a link on someone elses page |
| 15:09:57 | patlabor221 | hmmmmm |
| 15:10:06 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 15:10:09 | jzaun | I have bzedit... I want the adder to the *other* one |
| 15:10:13 | bzdoug | lazeruses page? |
| 15:10:18 | | bzdoug: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:10:18 | bzdoug | ibot bzworld? |
| 15:10:18 | patlabor221 | maybe |
| 15:10:35 | patlabor221 | doub it's busted, stop it |
| 15:10:37 | jzaun | whoops... helps if I scroll down :-( |
| 15:10:52 | bzdoug | heh |
| 15:10:59 | akira_ | hello batty |
| 15:11:01 | akira_ | patty |
| 15:11:02 | bzdoug | whos bot is ibot anyway? |
| 15:11:08 | patlabor221 | hi |
| 15:11:09 | bzdoug | haa, batty |
| 15:11:17 | patlabor221 | it's on a number of channels |
| 15:11:21 | patlabor221 | I am batman!!!!! |
| 15:11:26 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 15:12:13 | akira_ | bzdoug: nope -> using win32 at the moment |
| 15:12:17 | akira_ | why? |
| 15:12:31 | bzdoug | akira_: cool |
| 15:12:35 | akira_ | why? |
| 15:12:35 | patlabor221 | hmm I don't remember where that page was |
| 15:14:06 | angelina | http://www.lans-web.com/bzflag/wrldedit.htm ?? |
| 15:14:15 | bzdoug | yea! |
| 15:14:19 | patlabor221 | that's the one |
| 15:14:27 | patlabor221 | ok doug and widget |
| 15:14:34 | patlabor221 | here is an updated API sample |
| 15:14:35 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BotAPI.h |
| 15:14:52 | akira_ | screenshots? |
| 15:15:13 | bzdoug | bah, it wont let me save as text |
| 15:16:19 | patlabor221 | screenshots where? |
| 15:16:32 | patlabor221 | copy and past it? |
| 15:20:23 | jzaun | hrm... possible... but thats all windows stuff, not java.. |
| 15:20:32 | jzaun | oh well... guess I stuck with bzedit :-) |
| 15:21:35 | patlabor221 | it's all java classes |
| 15:21:45 | patlabor221 | just zipped up in a windws exe |
| 15:21:47 | Cell | what? |
| 15:22:26 | Cell | ur 3d view mfc classes |
| 15:22:27 | patlabor221 | jzuan: I can send it to you in a regular zip |
| 15:22:38 | patlabor221 | no, arn't talking about that |
| 15:22:42 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 15:23:06 | patlabor221 | and my view classes arn't MFC |
| 15:23:18 | patlabor221 | doug stop that |
| 15:23:27 | Cell | i remember them to be mfc |
| 15:23:35 | patlabor221 | the app was |
| 15:23:43 | bzdoug | hmmh |
| 15:23:45 | bzdoug | wierd |
| 15:23:46 | patlabor221 | but the view classes have no MFC in in them |
| 15:23:52 | patlabor221 | an anyoing |
| 15:24:09 | jpablo | mfc are ugly. |
| 15:24:19 | Cell | k but mfc style classes members start with m_****** |
| 15:24:20 | patlabor221 | only if you have no clue what you are doing |
| 15:24:23 | jpablo | don't even microsoft use thoses. |
| 15:24:34 | patlabor221 | cell that's just a type of notation |
| 15:24:46 | patlabor221 | not mfc specific |
| 15:24:49 | Cell | i know but its MFC style |
| 15:25:00 | patlabor221 | there is nothing that is MFC style |
| 15:25:05 | Cell | k |
| 15:25:12 | patlabor221 | it's a version of hungarian notation |
| 15:25:28 | bzdoug | strange, it was reconnecting and stuff over and over |
| 15:25:29 | patlabor221 | like buting C infront of all your class defs |
| 15:25:30 | bzdoug | like a loop |
| 15:25:34 | patlabor221 | we know |
| 15:25:37 | patlabor221 | it whas anying |
| 15:25:42 | bzdoug | very |
| 15:25:45 | bzdoug | I wonder why... |
| 15:25:50 | bzdoug | it said nothing... |
| 15:26:03 | Cell | what was anoying |
| 15:26:18 | patlabor221 | you don't use MFC for performance crital stuff, but it's good for prototyping |
| 15:26:29 | Cell | but its fast as hell |
| 15:26:32 | bzdoug | Cell: hehe |
| 15:26:43 | bzdoug | my logs dont say anything about it.... |
| 15:26:44 | patlabor221 | strait win 32 is faster |
| 15:26:45 | Cell | its pure c++ |
| 15:26:49 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:26:53 | Chestal | it's fast because it does not do anything but forward :-) |
| 15:27:08 | Cell | forwarding messages |
| 15:27:12 | bzdoug | ack, I have not had breakfast |
| 15:27:14 | patlabor221 | we also use it for little tools |
| 15:27:18 | bzdoug | and its 12:32 |
| 15:27:22 | patlabor221 | then go |
| 15:27:25 | Chestal | I only used MFC once, and it was ugly |
| 15:27:28 | Cell | hmm most ppl use it for big tools |
| 15:27:39 | Chestal | it isn't even a layer on top of win32API |
| 15:27:40 | Cell | i know that its ugly |
| 15:27:46 | Chestal | it's on the same layer |
| 15:27:47 | patlabor221 | we use it for plugins and ancilary tools |
| 15:28:04 | patlabor221 | our main app is win32 ish |
| 15:28:07 | Cell | it calls the win32 functions internally |
| 15:28:09 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:28:13 | Chestal | whoever geeks_for_usa may be, he is an idiot, spaming me with ibot messages |
| 15:28:23 | patlabor221 | they busted ibot too |
| 15:28:45 | Cell | who |
| 15:28:54 | bzdoug | geeks_for_USA |
| 15:29:00 | Cell | never heard |
| 15:29:04 | patlabor221 | jzuan do you want those java files? to see if it'll run on your system? |
| 15:29:29 | Cell | what do the files do? sorry but i want to know |
| 15:29:37 | patlabor221 | it's a java bz editor |
| 15:29:44 | patlabor221 | never seen it work |
| 15:29:52 | Cell | the same as ur mfc editor |
| 15:30:01 | patlabor221 | no they arn't mine |
| 15:30:05 | Cell | k |
| 15:30:12 | patlabor221 | I don't even know what it does |
| 15:30:28 | Cell | does it not trun on ur system |
| 15:30:38 | patlabor221 | don't have the sun java sdk installed |
| 15:30:44 | patlabor221 | and I wont' install it |
| 15:30:48 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:30:52 | Cell | why its 5 min |
| 15:31:12 | patlabor221 | I have no need for it |
| 15:31:12 | Cell | k |
| 15:32:18 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 15:32:23 | | bzdoug: huh? |
| 15:32:23 | bzdoug | ibot got kicked |
| 15:32:27 | | Cell: what? |
| 15:32:27 | Cell | ibot geeks_for_USA |
| 15:32:29 | patlabor221 | yes we see that |
| 15:32:35 | patlabor221 | ibot is lag flooded |
| 15:32:40 | bzdoug | mm |
| 15:33:41 | patlabor221 | see |
| 15:33:50 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 15:33:56 | bzdoug | very lagged |
| 15:34:28 | Cell | how much faster is it to use glVertexBuffer istead of many calls to glVertex |
| 15:34:34 | patlabor221 | very |
| 15:34:42 | patlabor221 | if the data is orderd |
| 15:34:55 | Cell | what does it mean, ordered? |
| 15:35:06 | bzdoug | whos bot is ibot? |
| 15:35:10 | bzdoug | where is it? |
| 15:35:28 | bzdoug | thats really anoying |
| 15:35:40 | patlabor221 | wow, how does it feel then doug? |
| 15:35:52 | bzdoug | hey, that was nto my fault |
| 15:35:55 | bzdoug | not* |
| 15:36:00 | bzdoug | it was my client |
| 15:36:04 | bzdoug | or the server |
| 15:36:06 | bzdoug | or smoethin |
| 15:36:09 | patlabor221 | I know it was not your falut that time |
| 15:36:16 | patlabor221 | I 'm just saying in general |
| 15:36:28 | Cell | what to do if a mesh uses several meterials and textures, is it necessary to dublicate material boundary vertices |
| 15:36:32 | bzdoug | general |
| 15:36:37 | patlabor221 | cell, you just need to make sure the data follows your indexes properly |
| 15:36:56 | Cell | i know that |
| 15:36:57 | patlabor221 | like V1 N1 T1 V2 N2 T2 ect... |
| 15:37:10 | patlabor221 | on static data it's very fast |
| 15:37:15 | Cell | but i have a big prob |
| 15:37:41 | patlabor221 | if you have to do interpolations on the data it's not as good, since you need to mess witht the buffers all the time |
| 15:38:02 | Cell | i need to edit my mesh, with AddVertex(), AddTriangle, RemoveVertex() and so on |
| 15:38:08 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:38:17 | patlabor221 | so rebuild the buffer when that happens |
| 15:38:18 | Cell | so it changes from frame to frame |
| 15:38:20 | patlabor221 | and stick it in a list |
| 15:38:26 | patlabor221 | ohh per frame? |
| 15:38:54 | Cell | sorry not that often |
| 15:38:58 | patlabor221 | then the overhead of the memory allocs for you may not be worth it |
| 15:39:04 | patlabor221 | how often? |
| 15:39:14 | patlabor221 | when the user modfies it? |
| 15:39:18 | Cell | if the user makes it, like in a 3d editor |
| 15:39:28 | Cell | exactly |
| 15:39:31 | patlabor221 | ohh then just rebuld the buffers when they edit |
| 15:39:36 | patlabor221 | and redo the list |
| 15:39:47 | Cell | but vertex count is 100.000 and more |
| 15:39:48 | patlabor221 | then you'll get a number of frames outa a single list |
| 15:40:09 | patlabor221 | well then you may want to keep a large buffer arround and just reuse it |
| 15:40:22 | patlabor221 | sounds like you need a scene graph |
| 15:40:30 | Cell | why? |
| 15:40:42 | patlabor221 | something to manage all those faces |
| 15:40:58 | Cell | what is the benefit of a scene graph, i think its slow |
| 15:41:00 | patlabor221 | so you don' just brute force them to the renderer |
| 15:41:08 | patlabor221 | depends on the graph |
| 15:41:17 | bzdoug | ok, tell me why there is 2 bzdougs in the user list? |
| 15:41:19 | patlabor221 | it's supposedot make it faster |
| 15:41:21 | Cell | what does the graph do |
| 15:41:26 | patlabor221 | there arn't |
| 15:41:29 | patlabor221 | you are hosed |
| 15:41:29 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 15:41:50 | patlabor221 | it is supose to orginise your data so you only display what is needed |
| 15:42:00 | bzdoug | must be a) windows b) microsoft c) trillian d) all 4 of those |
| 15:42:29 | patlabor221 | like something that would not draw just the faces that are only in view |
| 15:42:35 | bzdoug | ack |
| 15:42:57 | Cell | ok but how does this improve/solve the buffer problem |
| 15:43:28 | patlabor221 | if the scene graph can break the model up into managame chuncks, then you have seperate lists for all the parts |
| 15:43:32 | Cell | i just use glVertex until now, but its slow |
| 15:43:53 | patlabor221 | are you sending every face to the card? |
| 15:43:54 | Cell | but then some vertices nedds to be doubled |
| 15:44:00 | patlabor221 | even if it's back face |
| 15:44:01 | Cell | yes every face |
| 15:44:10 | patlabor221 | there is your slowness |
| 15:44:19 | patlabor221 | you only need to send the ones that will draw |
| 15:44:33 | patlabor221 | all the others are just wastes of time |
| 15:44:43 | patlabor221 | you need to kull |
| 15:44:43 | Cell | but gl is fast in checking if its backface or not i thought |
| 15:44:50 | patlabor221 | backface yes |
| 15:44:55 | patlabor221 | but not out of frustum |
| 15:45:07 | patlabor221 | it dosn't to that on a face basis |
| 15:45:11 | Cell | k, but my model is always fully visible |
| 15:45:15 | patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 15:45:28 | patlabor221 | are you using display lists? |
| 15:45:33 | Cell | i do a test bounding box against iew frustum |
| 15:45:47 | Cell | no no display lists, since data is dynamic |
| 15:45:47 | patlabor221 | can you zoom in on parts? |
| 15:45:52 | Cell | yes |
| 15:46:01 | patlabor221 | your data is sudo dynamic |
| 15:46:09 | patlabor221 | it only changes on user input |
| 15:46:13 | Cell | yes |
| 15:46:16 | patlabor221 | rebuld the list whenit changes |
| 15:46:27 | Cell | but thata slow |
| 15:46:29 | Cell | or? |
| 15:46:35 | patlabor221 | it won't be any slower then it is for a frame now |
| 15:46:49 | Cell | and after it is build? |
| 15:46:52 | patlabor221 | your allready walking the entire thing |
| 15:47:08 | Cell | is it faster then calinng glVertexBuffer |
| 15:47:10 | patlabor221 | using a list while the data is static can onlymake it faster |
| 15:47:15 | patlabor221 | you use both |
| 15:47:29 | Cell | both? |
| 15:47:30 | patlabor221 | teh vertex buffer will make it even faster |
| 15:47:38 | patlabor221 | yeah make a list from a buffer |
| 15:47:40 | Cell | both together |
| 15:47:44 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:47:44 | Cell | k |
| 15:47:52 | patlabor221 | a list just stores commands on the card |
| 15:48:00 | patlabor221 | you can put anything in a list |
| 15:48:05 | Cell | on the card, wow |
| 15:48:17 | Cell | like agp |
| 15:48:18 | patlabor221 | yes of the card suports hardware transform |
| 15:48:21 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:48:31 | patlabor221 | all GForces put it on the card |
| 15:48:36 | patlabor221 | hence why it's fast |
| 15:48:44 | patlabor221 | and it saves it in the cards format |
| 15:48:56 | Cell | is this done during the compile of the display list? |
| 15:49:03 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:49:16 | Cell | k, thank u :) |
| 15:49:24 | patlabor221 | every call to glVertex sends data to the card anyway |
| 15:49:29 | patlabor221 | this just saves it there |
| 15:49:40 | Cell | yes but call overhead |
| 15:49:50 | Cell | and data goes over cpu |
| 15:49:52 | patlabor221 | but you may also want to look at culling out sections of the model as you zoom in |
| 15:50:15 | patlabor221 | and with the list since there is just one call, the CPU involment is much lower |
| 15:50:40 | patlabor221 | and the vertex list makes that even faster |
| 15:50:48 | Cell | build bsp tree |
| 15:51:04 | Cell | is that a good idea? |
| 15:51:15 | patlabor221 | for you an evenly split quad tree would work |
| 15:51:28 | patlabor221 | just break the model up into cubes in sapace |
| 15:51:35 | Cell | k |
| 15:51:42 | patlabor221 | and make each cube have it's own smaller list |
| 15:51:44 | nichos | do you still need to use bzfs is you open the port on your firewall? |
| 15:51:55 | nichos | i mean relay, sorry |
| 15:51:59 | Cell | k |
| 15:52:05 | patlabor221 | no not if the ports are open |
| 15:52:26 | Cell | what is ibot1 |
| 15:52:29 | nichos | im not seeing my server listed, i have -public switch on |
| 15:52:37 | patlabor221 | cell: then you can cull out the cubes to the frustum, and only update the lists for the ones that change |
| 15:52:47 | patlabor221 | are all your ports open? |
| 15:53:07 | patlabor221 | and are you on a real IP or behind a nat or something? |
| 15:53:12 | Cell | k, thank u, now u solved lots of my problems |
| 15:53:22 | patlabor221 | no problem man |
| 15:53:30 | nichos | all? I have -p 5155, so i just opened that |
| 15:53:42 | nichos | patlabor221 i have grepped.net, which forwards to me |
| 15:53:43 | patlabor221 | the master server uses 5156 |
| 15:54:02 | patlabor221 | so you need to open that one too |
| 15:54:19 | bzdoug | dont you need UDP in too? |
| 15:54:23 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:54:34 | patlabor221 | but the master server does not use UDP |
| 15:54:41 | patlabor221 | only the game server for clients |
| 15:54:43 | bzdoug | and the UDP ports 5150-51?? |
| 15:54:47 | patlabor221 | and only for positional data |
| 15:55:34 | patlabor221 | I think it's still using TCP for all important data |
| 15:55:39 | nichos | k, just opened everything |
| 15:55:48 | bzdoug | nichos: hehe |
| 15:55:48 | patlabor221 | well that should do it |
| 15:56:10 | nichos | well, i mean not everything |
| 15:56:18 | nichos | i mean 5155/6 tcp/udp |
| 15:56:54 | patlabor221 | that should do it |
| 15:57:24 | patlabor221 | if the packets are geting routed correctly |
| 15:58:04 | nichos | -ttl 255 -public "grepped.net BZFLAG server" -a 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:58:07 | nichos | is that right? |
| 15:58:25 | patlabor221 | I think so |
| 15:58:41 | patlabor221 | but I'm not the expert on that stuff |
| 15:58:50 | nichos | lol |
| 15:59:01 | nichos | i dont see me listed, maybe some delay |
| 15:59:09 | patlabor221 | jzuan proalby knows more |
| 16:03:07 | jzaun | Sorry... what i miss |
| 16:03:18 | jzaun | I saw my misspelled name might know more... |
| 16:03:36 | Cell | patlabor221: how can i figure out how mayn memory was reserved on the card after a call to gl DisplayList? |
| 16:03:49 | patlabor221 | nichos is having problems seting up a public server |
| 16:03:58 | jzaun | nichos: Whats up? |
| 16:04:00 | Cell | is that possible? |
| 16:04:04 | patlabor221 | cell: you can't |
| 16:04:18 | patlabor221 | the driver takes care of it for you |
| 16:04:25 | patlabor221 | it may use card ram, |
| 16:04:30 | patlabor221 | or AGP |
| 16:04:34 | nichos | accept() from 192.168.0.10:34198 on 5 |
| 16:04:35 | patlabor221 | or system rem |
| 16:04:35 | Cell | k |
| 16:04:37 | patlabor221 | you never know |
| 16:04:43 | nichos | shold that port be open too? |
| 16:04:55 | nichos | jzaun hey, how are ya? I'm trying to run bzfs behind ipcop.org |
| 16:04:59 | jzaun | nichos: Whats your full commandline to launch the server? |
| 16:05:02 | Cell | there is no way to tell the driver where to put the data? |
| 16:05:04 | Chestal | nichos: you use -p an d-pr to specify the two TCP ports |
| 16:05:11 | akira_ | hello cell |
| 16:05:19 | Cell | hello |
| 16:05:30 | patlabor221 | cell: no with GL you don't have the kind of control. |
| 16:05:34 | akira_ | did you test you quat code ? |
| 16:05:34 | jzaun | the -p and -pr ports both need to be open for TCP and UDP |
| 16:05:35 | Chestal | nichos: forget the ttl stuff |
| 16:05:44 | Cell | yes i did |
| 16:05:46 | patlabor221 | cell: the gl implementation may not even be on your local computer |
| 16:05:47 | akira_ | and? |
| 16:05:56 | Cell | it works for me |
| 16:06:07 | nichos | -pr? i dont see it on the manpage |
| 16:06:19 | Chestal | nichos: which verson are you using? |
| 16:06:19 | akira_ | can i have your code cell? |
| 16:06:32 | nichos | BZFlag server, version 1.7e4 |
| 16:06:37 | patlabor221 | I knew jzaun would know, he is smart. |
| 16:06:40 | Chestal | nichos: hmm, ok, I would recommend getting e6 |
| 16:06:49 | nichos | i mean the manpage @ bzflag.org |
| 16:06:50 | Cell | k but, i was at nvidia page , and there was an extension, GL_NP_FENCE or something |
| 16:06:51 | Chestal | nichos: e4 uses a random reconnection port if I am not mistaken |
| 16:06:55 | akira_ | Cell: and why do you want to use display lists |
| 16:06:57 | jzaun | nichos: add -pr <port> and open that too |
| 16:07:17 | patlabor221 | cell: with exensions you get more control, but they are very hardware specific |
| 16:07:30 | Cell | akira: i need to display a large number of triangles, that can be modified by a user interactivly |
| 16:07:33 | Chestal | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:07:33 | jzaun | -pr <port>: use reconnect port |
| 16:07:34 | bzbot | paranoia (Red):-4 (3 wins, 7 losses). rs (Green):-7 (0 wins, 7 losses). okapi le sanguinaire (Red):-7 (8 wins, 15 losses). Finally The Rock Is Coming Back (Green):1 (9 wins, 8 losses). C (Green):41 (97 wins, 56 losses). CLQ (Red):-11 (20 wins, 31 losses). lupinator (Green):15 (15 wins, 0 losses). Target_1 (Red):-21 (31 wins, 52 losses). |
| 16:07:41 | Chestal | lupi got 15-0, hmm |
| 16:07:41 | akira_ | Cell: use vertex arrays |
| 16:07:42 | nichos | k, apt is getting e6:) |
| 16:07:53 | nichos | jzaun -pr 5155 |
| 16:07:55 | jzaun | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5157 |
| 16:07:56 | bzbot | nick (Red):-1 (1 wins, 2 losses). Team Looney! (Green):-4 (1 wins, 5 losses). Gerbil (Rogue):2 (5 wins, 3 losses). Shodishi_2012 (Red):1 (1 wins, 0 losses). ServoTrooper (Blue):-4 (0 wins, 4 losses). |
| 16:08:00 | akira_ | especially if you want to modify them interactivly |
| 16:08:06 | Cell | i use vertex arrays + dispaly lists as patlabor told me |
| 16:08:07 | jzaun | nichos: much be different from -p |
| 16:08:15 | Cell | , cause its even faster |
| 16:08:18 | akira_ | why display lists ? |
| 16:08:25 | jzaun | I personally use -p 5157 -pr 37000 |
| 16:08:26 | patlabor221 | he dosn't modifiy the data every frame |
| 16:08:27 | akira_ | it brings you nothing for your situation |
| 16:08:40 | Cell | why? |
| 16:08:42 | patlabor221 | it does for the frames he dosn't modify them on |
| 16:09:02 | akira_ | better use the "nv_lock_extension" or what the ext is called |
| 16:09:10 | nichos | jzaun so i should open 5155, 5156, and 37000 tcp and udp on my firewall |
| 16:09:18 | patlabor221 | sure if you only want to use nvida hardware |
| 16:09:33 | jzaun | nichos: no, just the -p and -pr port |
| 16:10:01 | jzaun | bzfs -p 5155 -pr 37000 --> open up 5155 and 37000 TCP & UDP |
| 16:10:08 | nichos | what was the 56 for? isnt that to be listed @ the 'find server' |
| 16:10:11 | Cell | i try gldisplay list first, and look how it improves my app. and then if its not good enough i will look at extensions |
| 16:10:15 | akira_ | the win of performance is not that much for varrays + display lists |
| 16:10:21 | patlabor221 | akira: I was sugesting he break the large model into cubic volumes makeing a list with an array for each section |
| 16:10:26 | jzaun | bzfs -p 5156 -pr 37000 --> open up 5156 and 37000 TCP & UDP |
| 16:10:44 | jzaun | 5156 would just be a different spessified port |
| 16:10:51 | akira_ | whats that for a model? |
| 16:10:53 | nichos | jzaun oh, so its my choice |
| 16:10:55 | patlabor221 | akira: then he can cull out the ones that are non vis, and only rebuild the ones that change |
| 16:10:59 | jzaun | nichos: Yes |
| 16:11:07 | akira_ | more "terrain style" or more "building style" ? |
| 16:11:14 | patlabor221 | akira: it's a very high polly tooth |
| 16:11:20 | jzaun | nichos: you could do: bzfs -p 34253 -pr 56326 if you wanted |
| 16:11:37 | Cell | but i have about 100.000 vertices and if the adds a vertex i have to reallocate the whole vertex buffer |
| 16:11:50 | patlabor221 | akira: single object |
| 16:11:57 | jzaun | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5157 |
| 16:11:59 | bzbot | nick (Red):-4 (1 wins, 5 losses). Team Looney! (Green):-4 (3 wins, 7 losses). ServoTrooper (Red):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). Cyber Optik (Green):0 (1 wins, 1 losses). Aha (Blue):-1 (0 wins, 1 losses). |
| 16:12:07 | patlabor221 | that's why I think it would be faster to break it up into managable chunks |
| 16:12:13 | Cell | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/studium/sep.htm |
| 16:12:17 | nichos | jzaun ok, i ran it, lets see if anyone joins, lol |
| 16:12:20 | patlabor221 | since you are adding sinle vets at a time |
| 16:12:32 | jzaun | nichos: what addr? |
| 16:12:38 | Cell | yes i think u are right |
| 16:12:43 | patlabor221 | at the most you have to only rebuild 4 chunks in a worst case senario |
| 16:12:52 | nichos | jzaun grepped.net should resolve, if not 65.33.44.52 |
| 16:12:56 | Cell | why 4? |
| 16:13:21 | patlabor221 | if somoen added a vert that was on a cell corner |
| 16:13:29 | patlabor221 | onn I'm sorry 8 |
| 16:13:31 | akira_ | Cell: aha |
| 16:13:34 | Cell | k |
| 16:13:36 | akira_ | Cell: nice |
| 16:13:42 | akira_ | Cell: quat code for me? |
| 16:13:52 | Cell | yes its in c# |
| 16:13:53 | jzaun | nichos: not seeing it... |
| 16:14:00 | nichos | Looking up host name: timeout |
| 16:14:01 | Cell | u want it anyway |
| 16:14:06 | patlabor221 | so that almost is like a terain model |
| 16:14:07 | nichos | i got that in the console |
| 16:14:09 | jzaun | nichos: Did you add a -public "My sever text" to the command line? |
| 16:14:15 | patlabor221 | it'ts a heightfield |
| 16:14:23 | akira_ | patlabor221: right :) |
| 16:14:26 | Cell | yes |
| 16:14:29 | nichos | jzaun yes |
| 16:14:32 | akira_ | so at almost everyime you see everything |
| 16:14:35 | jzaun | oh, add -publicaddr my.adder.net |
| 16:14:54 | Cell | i need to do a perfect reconstruction of the damaged tooth |
| 16:14:55 | akira_ | why do you have to have such many vertices cell? |
| 16:14:55 | nichos | i have -public "grepped.net BZFLAG server" -a 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:14:59 | patlabor221 | akira: he needs some kind of spacial partitioning. some kind of tree |
| 16:15:09 | patlabor221 | it's a medical scan |
| 16:15:13 | Cell | i use stl files |
| 16:15:26 | patlabor221 | mmmmmmm vat or resin :) |
| 16:15:37 | akira_ | ok, the one thing is what you see, the other thing is, what you give the machine to work |
| 16:15:41 | patlabor221 | resin smells nice :) |
| 16:15:57 | Cell | they have many nonindexed vertices, it where 290.000 but i converted them to be indexed by triangles, now they count only 59.000 |
| 16:16:18 | akira_ | you have 59000 vertices? |
| 16:16:21 | akira_ | or triangles? |
| 16:16:30 | patlabor221 | fun with lazer scans |
| 16:16:36 | Cell | 90.000 tris, 59000 vertices |
| 16:16:41 | Cell | :) |
| 16:16:48 | akira_ | let open a mini cell problem channel -> #cell_problem :) |
| 16:16:56 | Cell | haha |
| 16:17:18 | akira_ | so we could discuss things there without disturbing the others here |
| 16:17:33 | Cell | k sorry im doign that here |
| 16:17:34 | patlabor221 | just call it BZTooth |
| 16:17:42 | akira_ | i am at cell_problem |
| 16:17:48 | Cell | but i knew some of u are really experienced with gl |
| 16:17:56 | patlabor221 | no we just fake it |
| 16:18:01 | akira_ | hehe |
| 16:18:03 | akira_ | :) |
| 16:18:09 | Cell | k, nice |
| 16:18:13 | akira_ | -> /j #cell_problem |
| 16:18:34 | Cell | yes, i have many problems |
| 16:18:40 | akira_ | aaah |
| 16:18:43 | akira_ | just go to there |
| 16:19:19 | patlabor221 | doug/widget you look at that new bot API? |
| 16:36:48 | akira__ | mhh |
| 16:36:49 | akira__ | strange |
| 16:39:24 | m0nkey_b0y | nhi |
| 16:40:23 | angelina | nhi mb |
| 16:45:23 | Chestal | heh monkey |
| 16:45:33 | m0nkey_b0y | hi ches |
| 16:45:36 | m0nkey_b0y | whats new? |
| 16:45:44 | Chestal | m0nkey_b0y: not much |
| 16:45:55 | Chestal | I guess this week the Moles will take a break |
| 16:46:20 | m0nkey_b0y | you should...your way out in the lead |
| 16:46:38 | angelina | let ressurection catch up :) |
| 16:46:54 | Chestal | well, notso much, if we would lose against the loops, we were nearly equal |
| 16:47:04 | m0nkey_b0y | i havn't play bz for a week till this morning |
| 16:47:27 | m0nkey_b0y | well..loops rematch should be good. |
| 16:47:39 | m0nkey_b0y | we need to do that match soon |
| 16:47:51 | Chestal | I hope pther teams will play this weekend |
| 16:47:57 | Chestal | the frogs want to return |
| 16:48:07 | Chestal | and meq played last week, they should do so again |
| 16:48:19 | Chestal | and I hear that z00 might join the active teams soon? |
| 16:48:29 | bzdoug | patlabor221: I looked at it.. |
| 16:48:33 | m0nkey_b0y | i get cable this next week |
| 16:48:36 | bzdoug | has alot more features |
| 16:48:49 | m0nkey_b0y | will play more at night here |
| 16:48:50 | bzdoug | m0nkey_b0y: cable is good |
| 16:49:01 | m0nkey_b0y | Z00 finally going to play |
| 16:49:03 | m0nkey_b0y | about time |
| 16:49:16 | sussudio | damn.. bzflag looks real ugly on a tnt2 compared to my radeon |
| 16:49:24 | m0nkey_b0y | still need to get my new puter |
| 16:49:48 | akira__ | hehe |
| 16:50:07 | m0nkey_b0y | then akira can play me some 1 v 1 |
| 16:50:15 | akira__ | hehehe |
| 16:50:37 | Chestal | m0nkey: what's your opinion on a seperate individual 1 vs. 1 rating? |
| 16:51:00 | Chestal | I guess I should post about it to the forum |
| 16:51:08 | strayer_away | jep... |
| 16:51:19 | m0nkey_b0y | that would be pretty cool |
| 16:51:32 | akira__ | is a team player |
| 16:51:40 | Chestal | monkey: guess which player would have the most matches ;-) |
| 16:51:44 | m0nkey_b0y | keeping an individual rating with team play would be neat |
| 16:52:12 | m0nkey_b0y | i am team player |
| 16:52:17 | m0nkey_b0y | until i play 1 v 1 |
| 16:52:18 | patlabor221 | doug: you see anything that I missed |
| 16:52:21 | m0nkey_b0y | or rogues |
| 16:52:33 | patlabor221 | does not play well with others |
| 16:52:35 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm |
| 16:53:23 | Chestal | but we would need to work out rules for 1 vs. 1 |
| 16:53:50 | akira__ | rule no 1 |
| 16:53:57 | m0nkey_b0y | since ctf matches are so hard to get going... 1 v 1 matches are fun and quick to play. |
| 16:53:58 | akira__ | you dont know the bzclub |
| 16:53:59 | bzdoug | not that I can find |
| 16:54:00 | akira__ | rule no 2 |
| 16:54:03 | akira__ | you dont know the bzclub |
| 16:54:20 | akira__ | rule no3 .. even if you know, it doesnt exist :) |
| 16:56:21 | m0nkey_b0y | rule no4 ... no tele porters |
| 16:57:03 | akira__ | yep |
| 16:57:06 | m0nkey_b0y | rule no5 .... game ends at score of 21 |
| 16:57:12 | akira__ | and monkey mustn shoot |
| 16:57:26 | bzdoug | ha |
| 16:57:36 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 16:57:46 | strayer | akira seems to be a bad loser... |
| 16:57:48 | m0nkey_b0y | rule no6... watch out for monkey bullets |
| 16:57:52 | akira__ | hehe strayer .. |
| 16:57:53 | akira__ | why? |
| 16:58:44 | strayer | akira__: weil du jedem guten spieler verbieten wuerdest zu schiessen |
| 16:59:00 | akira__ | strayer: hahaa |
| 16:59:03 | akira__ | wahrscheinlich |
| 16:59:11 | strayer | eben... |
| 16:59:21 | m0nkey_b0y | i need my universal translator |
| 16:59:42 | bzdoug | ibot x de en wahrscheinlich |
| 16:59:53 | bzdoug | ibot1 x de en wahrscheinlich |
| 16:59:54 | | bzdoug: probably |
| 17:00:02 | bzdoug | m0nkey_b0y: there it is |
| 17:00:08 | m0nkey_b0y | cool |
| 17:00:11 | m0nkey_b0y | tnx you |
| 17:00:19 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:00:41 | akira__ | ??? |
| 17:00:51 | akira__ | ibot1 x en de probably |
| 17:00:52 | | akira__: vermutlich |
| 17:00:55 | akira__ | coooool |
| 17:00:58 | bzdoug | akira__: haha |
| 17:01:18 | sussudio | ugh who designed this retarded map |
| 17:01:19 | akira__ | ibot1 x de en looser |
| 17:01:20 | | akira__: more looser |
| 17:01:29 | akira__ | ibot1 x en de looser |
| 17:01:33 | | akira__: loser |
| 17:01:42 | akira__ | ibot1 x en de strayer |
| 17:01:43 | | akira__: strayer |
| 17:01:46 | akira__ | har har |
| 17:01:52 | akira__ | :)) |
| 17:01:53 | strayer | ibot1 x en de strayer |
| 17:01:54 | | strayer: strayer |
| 17:01:57 | strayer | hm... |
| 17:02:15 | bzdoug | ibot x de en hedge |
| 17:02:38 | bzdoug | ibot1 x de en hedge |
| 17:02:39 | | bzdoug: hedge |
| 17:02:42 | strayer | ibot1 x de en depp |
| 17:02:45 | | strayer: depp |
| 17:03:00 | strayer | ibot1 x en de hedge |
| 17:03:01 | | strayer: Hecke |
| 17:03:11 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:03:19 | strayer | :) |
| 17:03:28 | | bzdoug: what? |
| 17:03:28 | bzdoug | ibot1 de en heckaman |
| 17:03:38 | bzdoug | ibot1 x de en heckaman |
| 17:03:39 | | bzdoug: heckaman |
| 17:03:52 | bzdoug | ibot1 x de en hecka man |
| 17:03:53 | | bzdoug: hecka one |
| 17:03:54 | strayer | bzdoug: first the sourcelanguage...then the other one... |
| 17:03:58 | Widget | hihihi |
| 17:04:00 | bzdoug | ha |
| 17:04:08 | Widget | patlabor221: Still here? |
| 17:04:08 | bzdoug | greetings and salutations Widget |
| 17:04:19 | Widget | bzdoug: Did you look at patlabor221's new API? |
| 17:04:44 | bzdoug | Widget: yea |
| 17:04:51 | Widget | I think this is one of the things he added: |
| 17:04:52 | Widget | int GetWorldPlayers ( void ); |
| 17:04:52 | Widget | trPlayerInfo GetWorldPlayer ( int iPlayer ); |
| 17:04:52 | Widget | int GetPlayerByHandle ( char* szHandle ); |
| 17:05:02 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 17:05:03 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:05:08 | Widget | Wait. |
| 17:05:08 | Widget | No. |
| 17:05:12 | Widget | That was there before. |
| 17:05:13 | Widget | int GetWorldShots ( void ); |
| 17:05:13 | Widget | trWorldShotItem GetWorldShotItem ( int iItem ); |
| 17:05:14 | Widget | There. |
| 17:05:16 | Widget | That's new. |
| 17:05:37 | Widget | It apparently returns the vectors for all of the shots in the world. |
| 17:05:49 | bzdoug | cool |
| 17:05:50 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:05:54 | Widget | And the type of shot. |
| 17:06:02 | Widget | typedef struct |
| 17:06:02 | Widget | { |
| 17:06:02 | Widget | teShotTypeeType; |
| 17:06:02 | Widget | floatafPos[3]; |
| 17:06:02 | Widget | floatafRot[3]; |
| 17:06:03 | Widget | }trWorldShotItem; |
| 17:06:32 | Widget | patlabor221: What is this? #define _BOT_PLAYER 0 |
| 17:06:39 | bzdoug | position, rotation, intem... |
| 17:06:50 | bzdoug | Widget: I have to go eat |
| 17:07:09 | m0nkey_b0y | widget |
| 17:07:19 | m0nkey_b0y | get to bed |
| 17:07:35 | Widget | I just woke up. |
| 17:08:00 | Widget | klown@photon.unm.edu |
| 17:08:38 | m0nkey_b0y | cut it out widget! |
| 17:08:46 | Widget | Huh? |
| 17:08:48 | Widget | Cut what out? |
| 17:08:59 | bzdoug | *** m0nkey_b0y is klown@photon.unm.edu (m0nkey_b0y) |
| 17:09:06 | bzdoug | public info for anyone |
| 17:09:13 | m0nkey_b0y | har har |
| 17:09:21 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:09:32 | Widget | Why should I get to bed? |
| 17:09:34 | m0nkey_b0y | don't make me spank your tanks |
| 17:09:47 | m0nkey_b0y | past your bedtime youngster |
| 17:10:04 | sussudio | bzflag could at least reset the gamma settings when it crashes :-P |
| 17:10:12 | bzdoug | m0nkey_b0y: not me |
| 17:10:13 | Widget | m0nkey_b0y: Are you feeling OK? :) |
| 17:10:15 | bzdoug | nits 2:15 |
| 17:10:24 | Widget | It's 6:15! |
| 17:10:32 | bzdoug | 2:15!!! |
| 17:10:38 | sussudio | The Current Time Is: 02/08/2002 20:16:07 |
| 17:10:39 | Widget | 6:15! |
| 17:10:53 | Widget | sussudio: CEST |
| 17:10:59 | sussudio | c'est what? |
| 17:11:08 | bzdoug | at the tone, 20:16:20 |
| 17:11:12 | Widget | sussudio: C'est Central European Summer Time. |
| 17:11:13 | bzdoug | BEEEP! |
| 17:11:16 | bzdoug | click |
| 17:11:18 | bzdoug | click |
| 17:11:19 | bzdoug | clikc |
| 17:11:20 | bzdoug | click |
| 17:11:21 | Widget | sussudio: Which is the current time in the Netherlands. |
| 17:11:23 | bzdoug | click |
| 17:11:32 | sussudio | Widget: hammertime |
| 17:11:55 | bzdoug | Widget: what is the time diference for EST and NZ? |
| 17:12:02 | m0nkey_b0y | gotta run |
| 17:12:06 | m0nkey_b0y | cya folks |
| 17:12:13 | Widget | m0nkey_b0y: Bye. |
| 17:12:21 | Widget | bzdoug: I don't know. We're GMT+12. |
| 17:12:25 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:12:27 | bzdoug | k |
| 17:12:35 | bzdoug | EST is -4 |
| 17:12:36 | bzdoug | er |
| 17:12:37 | bzdoug | -5 |
| 17:12:51 | Widget | So 17 hours ahead? |
| 17:12:54 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:12:58 | bzdoug | sounds right |
| 17:12:59 | bzdoug | maybe |
| 17:13:02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:13:10 | Widget | sussudio: Goede dag. |
| 17:13:20 | bzdoug | gotta run, The Hingefreel people of Arkintoofle Minor are here |
| 17:13:26 | Widget | Bye. |
| 17:13:36 | bzdoug | or lunch |
| 17:13:41 | bzdoug | or breakfast! |
| 17:14:08 | Widget | sussudio: U bent Nederlands, nee? |
| 17:14:31 | sussudio | Widget: maybe |
| 17:15:10 | Widget | Oh, yes, I forgot. The Dutch always answer foreigners in English. |
| 17:15:30 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:15:46 | Widget | is een vreemdeling. |
| 17:15:47 | bzdoug | ever been in a dutch plane? |
| 17:15:53 | Widget | Nope. |
| 17:15:56 | bzdoug | its confusing |
| 17:16:19 | bzdoug | sounds like german, mixed with british, and spoken backwards |
| 17:16:36 | strayer | heh...right |
| 17:16:39 | jzaun | Anyone got a bot that can run around and shoot at people? |
| 17:16:48 | bzdoug | windows or linux? |
| 17:16:57 | Widget | The only European airlines I've been on are: British Airways (of course), Lufthansa and SWISS. |
| 17:17:04 | jzaun | linux |
| 17:17:07 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 17:17:11 | Widget | jzaun: Chestal has one. That doesnae run around. |
| 17:17:13 | bzdoug | jzaun: ask Widget |
| 17:17:29 | sussudio | i hate those bots in bzflag |
| 17:17:30 | Widget | jzaun: But it shoots at people with great accuracy. And it dodges any shot (unless you're very close, and it has no room to dodge) |
| 17:17:57 | Widget | sussudio: Wat is uw callsign? |
| 17:18:33 | sussudio | Widget: whatever i feel like. |
| 17:18:46 | jzaun | Widget... if the code GPL? |
| 17:19:03 | Widget | jzaun: Yes, it's a modification of the normal BZFlag client, so it must be GPLed. |
| 17:19:13 | bzdoug | jzaun: make it run around |
| 17:19:21 | jzaun | Widget: cool... doe is have all the GUI ripped out? |
| 17:19:36 | Widget | bzdoug: That would be very difficult. It would require a different algorithm for dodging. |
| 17:19:41 | Widget | jzaun: All the rendering, yes. |
| 17:19:57 | jzaun | Widget: Know where I can grab it from? |
| 17:20:00 | sussudio | has another stab of actually getting a positive amount of points |
| 17:20:07 | Widget | jzaun: Doughecks has the FTP server. |
| 17:20:08 | bzdoug | Widget: just make the bot go in a circle is nobody in around |
| 17:20:16 | Widget | bzdoug: Why? |
| 17:20:25 | bzdoug | so its not in a corner all by itselft |
| 17:20:43 | Widget | bzdoug: What's wrong with being in a corner? |
| 17:20:52 | Widget | bzdoug: Just put it in a CTF world, and it will appear in the middle. |
| 17:21:03 | bzdoug | Widget: nobody shoots at it |
| 17:21:11 | bzdoug | jzaun: ftp://ftp.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de/user/thilo/ |
| 17:21:38 | Widget | bzdoug: Apparently they do, since it managed to accumulate such a huge score. |
| 17:21:48 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:22:04 | bzdoug | but just incase its got 2 people on the map, and they ignore the bot |
| 17:22:17 | jzaun | ACtually... I would live to have it stay in exactly one spot.. no movement, just turning to aim |
| 17:22:19 | Widget | The bot doesn't really care. |
| 17:22:25 | Widget | jzaun: That's what the bot does. |
| 17:22:41 | bzdoug | jzaun: and dodges |
| 17:22:51 | jzaun | Cool... now if I can figure out how to exactly place it :-P |
| 17:23:00 | bzdoug | Widget: I sure the bot cares if someone ifnores it |
| 17:23:14 | Widget | jzaun: Does the server handle popins, or the client? |
| 17:23:23 | Widget | bzdoug: Has it complained to you? |
| 17:23:31 | jzaun | Widget: Not sure... hope the client |
| 17:23:33 | bzdoug | I never asked it |
| 17:23:41 | bzdoug | jzaun: I think the client |
| 17:24:18 | akira__ | bye all |
| 17:24:43 | Widget | Where was Chestal's patch? |
| 17:24:47 | bzdoug | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de/user/thilo/ |
| 17:24:47 | Widget | To fix popins for e6? |
| 17:24:53 | sussudio | haha i found a server with people that are actually worse than me at this |
| 17:24:58 | Widget | We can check if it patches the server. |
| 17:25:12 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:26:00 | strayer | Widget: chestals bzflag-client-patch? |
| 17:27:21 | bzdoug | rebooting |
| 17:28:28 | Widget | strayer: Is that the one that fixes e4 popups? |
| 17:28:31 | Widget | strayer: To prevent frags? |
| 17:28:43 | Widget | strayer: I don't mean the HUD fix |
| 17:29:14 | strayer | ah...ok... |
| 17:32:06 | bzdoug | sticks his tonge out at microsoft |
| 17:33:11 | patlabor221 | then why do you use there products if you don't like them |
| 17:33:31 | strayer | hey bzdoug windows works great if U use only a simple screensaver.... |
| 17:33:32 | bzdoug | I did not say I dont like them |
| 17:33:41 | bzdoug | strayer: I dont use screensavers |
| 17:33:46 | bzdoug | I turn my screen on |
| 17:33:53 | patlabor221 | you allways complain about it |
| 17:34:00 | patlabor221 | and blame it for problems |
| 17:34:02 | bzdoug | ha, I am using an APPLE 17 inch screen |
| 17:34:05 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:34:07 | strayer | bzdoug: so....windows isnt a good choice... |
| 17:34:22 | bzdoug | strayer: its better to get a mac |
| 17:35:05 | bzdoug | but I cant sync my pdasor play games under linux |
| 17:35:13 | strayer | bzdoug: do U wanna buy me one? |
| 17:35:17 | patlabor221 | you can sync palms |
| 17:35:34 | bzdoug | patlabor221: Those are more money, I have 3 windows ce pdas |
| 17:35:42 | bzdoug | so I am stuck |
| 17:35:45 | bzdoug | for the time being |
| 17:36:03 | patlabor221 | well you can realise what each OS can and can not do, and stop complaining about it. |
| 17:36:34 | bzdoug | ha, thats why after I get a new mobo, I shall dual boot linux and windows 2000 |
| 17:36:56 | patlabor221 | I will bet money you will still complain |
| 17:37:04 | bzdoug | how much? |
| 17:37:14 | patlabor221 | how bout that dvd drive? |
| 17:37:17 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 17:37:18 | bzdoug | nah |
| 17:37:24 | strayer | wimp |
| 17:37:32 | patlabor221 | I shuld be able to test them this weekend |
| 17:37:34 | bzdoug | your promissed you are sending that anyway |
| 17:37:39 | bzdoug | patlabor221: :) |
| 17:37:48 | patlabor221 | yeah and I said I needed to test them |
| 17:37:53 | patlabor221 | and I haven't tested them yet |
| 17:37:55 | bzdoug | patlabor221: yea |
| 17:38:01 | patlabor221 | I have the last 2 |
| 17:38:03 | patlabor221 | one for you |
| 17:38:05 | patlabor221 | and one for cap |
| 17:38:13 | patlabor221 | if they work |
| 17:38:17 | bzdoug | patlabor221: IF |
| 17:38:19 | patlabor221 | I need to find a cart for it |
| 17:38:24 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 17:38:33 | bzdoug | wont it run plain dvds without a carT? |
| 17:38:35 | patlabor221 | they don't take regular CDrs |
| 17:38:49 | patlabor221 | it will but I need to test the burner part |
| 17:39:00 | patlabor221 | if you want a regular DVD those I got |
| 17:39:12 | bzdoug | patlabor221: eh? |
| 17:39:12 | patlabor221 | those I know work |
| 17:39:20 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm |
| 17:39:31 | patlabor221 | it's the burners that need testing |
| 17:39:34 | Widget | patlabor221: Do you know how to search all the patches that have been submitted to the project? |
| 17:39:38 | bzdoug | well, I dont have any carts here |
| 17:39:39 | patlabor221 | they take a DVDRAM cart |
| 17:39:40 | Widget | patlabor221: From the patches page? |
| 17:39:59 | patlabor221 | widget you mean look at the commit history? |
| 17:40:05 | Widget | patlabor221: Yes. |
| 17:40:05 | bzdoug | patlabor221: but they read regular dvds and cd too? |
| 17:40:09 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:40:11 | Widget | patlabor221: I'm looking for Chestal's respawn patch. |
| 17:40:34 | patlabor221 | if it was a pach dosn't that mean it wasn't comited? |
| 17:40:41 | Widget | It was commited. |
| 17:40:44 | Widget | it's in e6 now. |
| 17:40:53 | patlabor221 | ok, so just make e6 then |
| 17:41:20 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm, well I dont NEED a dvd-ram if I dont have any dvd cartridges, and I have lots of space now on my drive now... |
| 17:41:37 | patlabor221 | ok then do you want a regular dvd instead? |
| 17:41:59 | Widget | patlabor221: No, I want to see this very patch. |
| 17:42:06 | Widget | patlabor221: I don't want to apply it, I want to see how it's done. |
| 17:42:08 | patlabor221 | I don't know how the patches are kept |
| 17:42:38 | patlabor221 | but I would think that you could doa dif between e4 and e6 and find it |
| 17:42:43 | bzdoug | patlabor221: sure, if they will read CD's and DVD's quickly, and it wont trouble ya... |
| 17:42:54 | patlabor221 | will you stop being anying? |
| 17:42:59 | patlabor221 | anoying? |
| 17:43:12 | bzdoug | Mmmm |
| 17:43:15 | Widget | Sorry. :( |
| 17:43:19 | bzdoug | I guess so... |
| 17:43:24 | patlabor221 | no not you widget |
| 17:43:31 | Widget | Oh. :) |
| 17:43:46 | bzdoug | patlabor221: like.... yea! |
| 17:43:53 | Widget | patlabor221: Do you know where I can get the archived commit history? |
| 17:43:55 | bzdoug | Widget: gosh... |
| 17:44:53 | bzdoug | mostly harmless.... |
| 17:44:53 | bzdoug | and I still have not eaten today... |
| 17:49:18 | patlabor221 | then go eat man |
| 17:49:27 | bzdoug | its heating up |
| 17:49:38 | patlabor221 | mmmmm hotpockets :) |
| 17:49:43 | bzdoug | ugh |
| 17:49:56 | patlabor221 | you mock the hotpockets? |
| 17:50:03 | Widget | patlabor221: Where does the client control where it respawns? |
| 17:50:06 | bzdoug | no, its slow roasted chicken thighs and rice, with lots of sauce |
| 17:50:15 | patlabor221 | widget, no I don't know much about the CVS |
| 17:50:20 | patlabor221 | proalby in local player |
| 17:50:24 | Widget | OK, danke. |
| 17:50:36 | patlabor221 | doug: put that in a pocket, it would be good :) |
| 17:50:43 | bzdoug | patlabor221: how about a pita? |
| 17:50:44 | patlabor221 | but that does sound good |
| 17:50:47 | bzdoug | MMMmmm |
| 17:50:48 | patlabor221 | that would work |
| 17:50:51 | bzdoug | home cooked |
| 17:51:06 | bzdoug | and its even leftovers, and it still tastes good |
| 17:51:08 | patlabor221 | only thing I get home cooked is stuff I make myslef |
| 17:51:13 | bzdoug | haha |
| 17:51:31 | patlabor221 | well there isn't anyone else to cook it |
| 17:51:39 | bzdoug | heh |
| 17:51:45 | bzdoug | hire a cook |
| 17:51:50 | patlabor221 | right |
| 17:51:58 | patlabor221 | I'm not a bad cook |
| 17:52:04 | bzdoug | heh |
| 17:52:49 | Widget | Hm.... I catted all the files in src/bzflag and grepped for "respawn", and no matches. Maybe it's server side. |
| 17:53:02 | patlabor221 | its proalby not called that |
| 17:53:11 | patlabor221 | it's proalby not called anything |
| 17:53:22 | Widget | Curses. No comment. =P |
| 17:53:22 | patlabor221 | find out where you die |
| 17:53:39 | patlabor221 | then put a breakpoint there |
| 17:53:48 | patlabor221 | and step allong and see where it takes you |
| 17:53:56 | patlabor221 | that's what debugers are for |
| 17:54:04 | bzdoug | sheesh, look at monket boys screen |
| 17:54:05 | bzdoug | http://photon.unm.edu/~klown/bz/bzconsole.JPG |
| 17:54:30 | patlabor221 | that's nothin |
| 17:54:33 | bzdoug | er |
| 17:54:35 | bzdoug | wait |
| 17:54:39 | bzdoug | http://photon.unm.edu/~klown/bz/ |
| 17:54:39 | Widget | What's wrong with it? |
| 17:55:10 | bzdoug | no opengl |
| 17:57:32 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/desktop.jpg there's mine |
| 17:57:35 | patlabor221 | on a clean day |
| 17:58:02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:58:06 | bzdoug | its a big image |
| 17:58:08 | bzdoug | brbr |
| 17:58:11 | bzdoug | brb |
| 17:58:37 | Widget | OK, it blows you up, changes your score, and a few other things.... hang on. |
| 17:59:09 | Widget | patlabor221: Are you sure it's handled by the client? |
| 18:03:17 | Widget | patlabor221: Look at line 2736 playing.cxx. |
| 18:04:19 | Widget | is away: Breakfast. |
| 18:08:25 | bzdoug | patlabor221: I suppose you have dual monitors? |
| 18:09:07 | bzdoug | or a really wide monitor |
| 18:10:59 | jzaun | bzdoug: How do you get BZ in a window, its always full screen for me |
| 18:12:08 | patlabor221 | yes I do |
| 18:12:12 | patlabor221 | 2 21's |
| 18:13:12 | patlabor221 | lunch time |
| 18:28:20 | Widget | jzaun: Use the -window tag. |
| 18:28:28 | Widget | jzaun: When starting iy. |
| 18:30:09 | bzdoug | wow |
| 19:00:10 | strayer_zZ | ibot1 x de en makaber |
| 19:00:11 | | strayer_zZ: more makaber |
| 19:01:45 | strayer_zZ | ibot1 x de en Maulwurf |
| 19:01:46 | | strayer_zZ: Mole |
| 19:23:14 | | rumour has it bobots is Bobots are everywhere! Game over man |
| 19:23:14 | patlabor221 | ibot: bobots? |
| 19:23:23 | patlabor221 | hmmm seesm that he's better |
| 19:24:00 | | patlabor221: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 19:24:00 | patlabor221 | ibot: weather LAX |
| 19:43:24 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:45:11 | strayer | pardon? |
| 19:45:21 | bzdoug | lo Widget |
| 19:45:30 | Widget | hihihi, bzdoug. |
| 19:59:44 | Widget | MrCooper: Did you vote in the referendum to decide whether Le Confédération Helvetique would join the UN? |
| 20:00:31 | MrCooper | Widget: yep |
| 20:00:44 | Widget | MrCooper: What do you think about it? |
| 20:01:10 | MrCooper | it's a shame it took us so long |
| 20:01:15 | Widget | :) |
| 20:01:22 | Widget | What about the EU, then? |
| 20:01:43 | MrCooper | I don't see a way around it |
| 20:01:49 | MrCooper | are you also Swiss? |
| 20:02:00 | Widget | No, but my mother is. |
| 20:02:08 | MrCooper | oh |
| 20:02:11 | Widget | Gasp! Switzerland joining the EU? No! |
| 20:02:24 | Widget | Switzerland has lower unemployment and inflation than any EU nation! |
| 20:02:43 | Widget | And even less than Norway (who didn't join because their unemployment and inflation are so low). |
| 20:03:13 | MrCooper | well, to be honest, I don't really follow politics |
| 20:05:36 | bzdoug | http://forums.viahardware.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=18995 |
| 20:05:42 | bzdoug | :) |
| 20:05:55 | bzdoug | I want to upgrade to that |
| 20:06:35 | bzdoug | here is more photos |
| 20:06:35 | bzdoug | http://www.extrememhz.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=12 |
| 20:06:55 | bzdoug | they even made the hard drive transparent |
| 20:07:59 | strayer | btw.... http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99aug/uf000939.gif |
| 20:08:32 | bzdoug | haha |
| 20:27:04 | Widget | Synthetische Neuronale Netze |
| 20:27:48 | strayer | cool....for what? |
| 20:28:23 | Cell | i should be in bed now, and i already was, but cant sleep, so is tarted to read a book: Programming in C under UNIX. Its 10 yers old. I did not understand a thing when i read it the first time 5 years ago. But now its very very interesting and i ask myself if UNIX has changed in any way during the past 12 years? |
| 20:29:43 | Widget | Synthetische Neuronale Netze sind Cells Projekte, nein? |
| 20:29:58 | Cell | ja |
| 20:30:05 | Cell | wiso? |
| 20:30:22 | strayer | reines interesse |
| 20:30:29 | Cell | ok |
| 20:31:00 | strayer | hab mal was drueber gelesen....klingt recht interessant... |
| 20:31:14 | Cell | über neuronale netze? |
| 20:31:34 | Cell | was ist das Geheimniss der NN? |
| 20:31:34 | strayer | jep |
| 20:32:20 | Widget | Ihr sprecht zu schnelles.... ich kann nicht verstehen. :) |
| 20:32:22 | strayer | das einzige geheimnis sind die NN der frauen.... |
| 20:32:30 | Widget | hihihi, captain_proton. |
| 20:32:31 | | heh |
| 20:32:31 | Cell | hehe? |
| 20:32:59 | captain_proton | 'lo all |
| 20:33:30 | Cell | schit ich schau mal nach ob ich im lotto gewonnen hab am Mittwoch, wenn ja bin ich morgen in Thailand |
| 20:34:03 | strayer | ...nimm mich mit.... |
| 20:35:17 | Cell | :( shit schon wieder nichts, nicht mal 3 richtige, betruuug, gut dass ich nur ein kästchen spiele |
| 20:35:47 | strayer | hehe...aber die bearbeitungsgebuehr kostet dich trotzdem... |
| 20:36:01 | strayer | ...egal wieviele kaestchen |
| 20:36:15 | Cell | tja das muss ich in kauf nehmen |
| 20:36:41 | Cell | kein thailand, keine thailendischen ... |
| 20:36:48 | Cell | egal |
| 20:37:05 | strayer | du aermster,,,,tssstssstss - dann spiele doch einmal im jahr und haue dann ordentlich auf'n putz... |
| 20:37:31 | strayer | dann hast du bestimmt zumindest ein paar richig... |
| 20:37:55 | Cell | nö das wäre langweilig, ich brauche jeden Mittwoch und Samstag spannung pur |
| 20:38:12 | Cell | villeicht klappts ja morgen |
| 20:38:48 | strayer | hehe, sicher....und sicherlich hast du auch meist die totale enttaeuschung.... |
| 20:39:17 | Cell | ach ja hat jemand den blödsinn auf meiner webseite gelesen? |
| 20:39:47 | strayer | welche? |
| 20:40:11 | Cell | hmm, home.in.tum.de/~edelstei |
| 20:41:04 | Cell | ist wohl nur mit dem ie 6.0 browserfähig :) |
| 20:41:15 | Cell | i hate netscape |
| 20:41:35 | Widget | Warum moechten Sie Sie nach Thailand gehen? |
| 20:41:37 | Widget | Ich versteche nicht.... Thailand? Verwirren. |
| 20:41:39 | Widget | blödsinn? Was ist? |
| 20:42:15 | Cell | Sie Sie möchte gerne dort mit... |
| 20:42:30 | Cell | und gutes Obst essen |
| 20:43:13 | strayer | Cell: welch zufall...den ie6.0 hab ich... |
| 20:43:22 | Cell | ;) |
| 20:43:27 | Cell | gut gemacht |
| 20:43:45 | strayer | Cell: nett gemacht....du aermster, 2 schwestern....mir reicht schon eine... |
| 20:44:13 | Cell | ja mir auch |
| 20:44:19 | strayer | hehe |
| 20:44:41 | Cell | hey widget du nix richtige köne deutsches sprache? |
| 20:45:01 | strayer | Cell: hey, du bist ja fies... |
| 20:45:20 | strayer | Cell: so lernt Widget es doch nie richtig |
| 20:45:25 | Cell | wiso, ich bin mir nicht sicher ob er deutsch kann oder nicht, just a test |
| 20:46:02 | Widget | Ich versuche. |
| 20:46:07 | Cell | ah, k |
| 20:46:13 | Cell | wozu denn? |
| 20:46:23 | strayer | wenn ich mit wem chatte brauche ich x-mal den online-translator..... |
| 20:46:37 | strayer | also fuers englische... |
| 20:47:07 | strayer | Widget: ich glaube es gibt einfachere und sinnvollere sprachen als deutsch... |
| 20:47:08 | Cell | tja ich hab hier auch einen translator laufen |
| 20:47:09 | Widget | muß sauber gehen ihr Raum... bis bald. |
| 20:47:21 | strayer | ...cu...widget |
| 20:47:42 | Cell | cau |
| 20:48:45 | strayer | nimmt es Widget nicht uebel, dass der ausdruck von ihm nicht wirklich sinn ergab und hofft ihn richtig verstanden zu haben... |
| 20:49:09 | strayer | Cell: das muss er erstmal richtig ebersetzen und verstehen...hehe |
| 20:49:40 | Widget | muß ihren Raum säubern. (Korrekt?) |
| 20:50:24 | Cell | Ist Widget ein Mädchen? |
| 20:50:44 | strayer | ...wenn dem so waere....so waere auch das korrekt |
| 20:51:23 | Cell | s gibt wohl keine Mädchen die bzflag spielen |
| 20:51:39 | strayer | doch... |
| 20:51:42 | strayer | einige |
| 20:51:47 | Cell | sind nur fakes |
| 20:51:55 | strayer | glaube ich nicht... |
| 20:52:05 | strayer | nicht bei allen |
| 20:52:18 | Cell | oder sie finden keinen freund, mann oder änliches |
| 20:52:33 | Cell | ;) |
| 20:53:00 | Cell | und versuchen es bei bzflag, hahahaha |
| 20:53:09 | strayer | ?...do U wanna say, that U wouldn't play any longer if U would have a girlfriend? |
| 20:53:22 | strayer | @Cell |
| 20:53:37 | Cell | he? Of course i would play |
| 20:53:52 | strayer | so...why girls not? |
| 20:54:07 | Cell | no comment |
| 20:54:08 | captain_proton | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 20:54:27 | Dewd | Hey- a friend of mine has win2k, and he says it freezes when it starts w/a gf2 |
| 20:54:39 | Dewd | i dont know anything about the win version, does he need to d/ls omething else? |
| 20:54:50 | captain_proton | nvidia drivers up-to-date? |
| 20:55:20 | Dewd | hmmm, might be (im not there, and his illiterate:) |
| 20:55:26 | Dewd | his = he's |
| 20:56:08 | Dewd | he says its loading, show 'join game, options' and so on, but his kb isnt working |
| 20:56:10 | Cell | whats the name of the new song from lenny kravitz, i want to download, cause he has stolen the beginnig of his song from killer instinct, the greatest fighting game ever made |
| 20:56:47 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 20:57:11 | Cell | thats true, i have the soundtrack from ki on cd |
| 20:57:23 | Cell | ki = killer instinct |
| 20:57:50 | strayer | Dewd: is his kb really dead....or only quite slowly then? |
| 20:58:20 | Dewd | lets see... |
| 20:58:53 | Dewd | are there drivers for opengl, just like directX for win? |
| 20:59:28 | strayer | Dewd: pardon?....what exactly do U mean? |
| 20:59:42 | strayer | Dewd: where to download or what? |
| 20:59:43 | Dewd | does he need to download any special graphics software? |
| 20:59:49 | captain_proton | nvidia drivers should contain both opengl and drirectx |
| 21:01:04 | strayer | captain_proton: no special directx?....i have an gf2 and had to install a newer one xtra... |
| 21:01:30 | captain_proton | strayer: well it might be that the OEM installed a special driver |
| 21:01:31 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 21:01:52 | Dewd | he can play neverwinter nights |
| 21:02:00 | strayer | ...hm...however...i had the same problem and installed both... |
| 21:03:46 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:03:50 | Widget | Crash. :( |
| 21:05:32 | strayer | happens.... |
| 21:05:49 | Widget | It's not supposed to with OS X. |
| 21:05:53 | Widget | =P |
| 21:06:19 | Widget | BRB. |
| 21:07:25 | jzaun | Hey captain_proton |
| 21:08:26 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:08:32 | jzaun | Hello |
| 21:08:56 | Widget | jzaun: Did jij get your bot working? |
| 21:09:07 | jzaun | nope, not yet |
| 21:09:10 | jzaun | company came over |
| 21:10:01 | jzaun | *and* I need to get 1.7 source.. might be better to tinker with 1.8 and make a bot there instead |
| 21:10:07 | Widget | Ich muß mein Deutsch üben. |
| 21:10:15 | Widget | jzaun: You don't use 1.7 at all? |
| 21:10:33 | jzaun | Ich sprechen sie Deutsch nicht. |
| 21:10:40 | Widget | Du sprichst. |
| 21:10:45 | captain_proton | hey jzaun |
| 21:10:45 | Widget | Ich spreche. |
| 21:10:52 | jzaun | I play on it, I run a rotating server on it, but whe devel for it? |
| 21:11:08 | Widget | jzaun: All it requires is a simple patch to the e4 code. |
| 21:11:10 | jzaun | Ich spreche ein bitschen |
| 21:11:25 | Dewd | oh, its working now, thanks guys |
| 21:11:27 | jzaun | captain_proton: Hows the fog coming? |
| 21:11:50 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm, been working on other things ;) |
| 21:12:16 | jzaun | captain_proton: oh, :-(, ok |
| 21:12:36 | Widget | We didn't have a new word of the day. |
| 21:12:51 | captain_proton | jzaun: don't worry, i'll get it done soon |
| 21:13:45 | jzaun | captain_proton: Hows the user selectable tanks coming? :-) |
| 21:14:51 | Cell | when is 1.8 planned to be releazed, if there is a plan? |
| 21:15:02 | captain_proton | Cell: when its done ;) |
| 21:15:28 | Cell | i thought so |
| 21:16:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm, patlabor221's converter needs to be done first ;) |
| 21:16:16 | captain_proton | but the pimpin' hovertank rules supreme |
| 21:20:47 | Widget | captain_proton: What besides different tanks and fog is planned for 1.8? |
| 21:20:55 | Widget | captain_proton: Stuff that's not cosmetic. |
| 21:22:12 | patlabor221 | I'm working onit, I'm working on it |
| 21:22:16 | captain_proton | hmm, new network |
| 21:22:22 | Widget | patlabor221: On what? |
| 21:22:27 | captain_proton | technical anti-cheating measures, karma |
| 21:22:31 | patlabor221 | the converter |
| 21:22:34 | Widget | How does karma work? |
| 21:22:44 | patlabor221 | and cap, I have better tanks then that :) |
| 21:23:18 | captain_proton | Widget: read doc/karma.txt in 1.8 cvs |
| 21:26:01 | patlabor221 | searches for the bonapart micro tank derivitiave |
| 21:26:20 | bzdoug | ? |
| 21:27:14 | patlabor221 | the minitank |
| 21:28:03 | Cell | would it be difficult to include helicopters and energy levels to 1.8 |
| 21:28:05 | bzdoug | ah, cool |
| 21:28:17 | bzdoug | Cell: I would think it would |
| 21:28:17 | patlabor221 | that would change the gameplay |
| 21:28:31 | patlabor221 | have to completly reblanace |
| 21:28:43 | Cell | yes but that could improve fun |
| 21:29:05 | patlabor221 | for some |
| 21:29:11 | patlabor221 | not for others |
| 21:29:18 | patlabor221 | it could be a variant |
| 21:29:42 | patlabor221 | yours would almost be class based |
| 21:30:07 | patlabor221 | and none of the BZ weps are set up for anything other then a 1 shot 1 kill |
| 21:30:31 | Cell | weps? |
| 21:30:42 | patlabor221 | super flags |
| 21:30:44 | Widget | Weapons. |
| 21:31:06 | Cell | but that could be an option |
| 21:31:23 | Widget | patlabor221: What about shockwave? |
| 21:31:39 | Cell | i just want to know if it would be easy to realize it in 1.8 |
| 21:31:46 | patlabor221 | still 1 hit 1 kill |
| 21:31:54 | patlabor221 | it would be easyer yes |
| 21:31:58 | Cell | k |
| 21:31:59 | Widget | But one shot many kills. |
| 21:32:00 | patlabor221 | since more is externalised |
| 21:32:18 | patlabor221 | yes, but I mean you as a tank can not take multiple shots |
| 21:32:29 | patlabor221 | sheld being the exception |
| 21:32:33 | patlabor221 | you get hit your dead |
| 21:32:34 | Cell | k, but it sounds good |
| 21:34:20 | bzdoug | Cell: your free to make a new version... |
| 21:34:25 | Cell | and i just have prepared my 3d cobra models: coloring them in red, greend and so on... |
| 21:34:31 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 21:34:31 | Cell | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/bzflag/cobrasnap1.jpg |
| 21:34:38 | Cell | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/bzflag/cobrasnap2.jpg |
| 21:34:55 | Cell | but removed the rotor |
| 21:35:19 | patlabor221 | 1500 not too bad |
| 21:35:23 | patlabor221 | could LOD that down |
| 21:35:42 | Cell | yes its still too high |
| 21:36:02 | Cell | some things dont need that detail |
| 21:36:12 | jzaun | captain_proton: Any way to get a bzedit that lets me user thousandths? |
| 21:36:26 | patlabor221 | mine does |
| 21:36:33 | patlabor221 | but not on linux |
| 21:36:49 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm - change the code ;) |
| 21:37:14 | jzaun | oh, thanks, would have never thought of that :-P |
| 21:38:31 | jzaun | pointer to a file to lookin? |
| 21:38:36 | jzaun | :q |
| 21:38:46 | captain_proton | hmm ui_inspect i think? |
| 21:40:06 | patlabor221 | cap do you know if in 1.8 there will be a minimum boundry that the tank can go up over? |
| 21:40:13 | captain_proton | patlabor221: probably |
| 21:41:17 | patlabor221 | cool |
| 21:43:55 | blair | sup |
| 21:44:04 | captain_proton | nooom |
| 21:44:27 | blair | cat "grind" > /dev/coffee |
| 21:44:33 | blair | er, echo "grind"... |
| 21:44:47 | blair | whats grinding to a halt proton? |
| 21:44:52 | blair | how you doing? |
| 21:45:01 | blair | sup hashcode, probe and map that key! |
| 21:45:16 | blair | weeeeeeeeeee, decks? |
| 21:45:19 | captain_proton | nah |
| 21:45:24 | captain_proton | fiddling with my classes |
| 21:45:39 | blair | for the fall semester? |
| 21:45:46 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 21:45:50 | captain_proton | they went and cancelled one |
| 21:46:03 | blair | ouch |
| 21:46:06 | blair | what ya taking? |
| 21:46:18 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:46:32 | patlabor221 | ok cap, you want hovertank? |
| 21:46:37 | patlabor221 | or baby tank |
| 21:46:38 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/minitank.jpg |
| 21:46:52 | captain_proton | digital logic, experimental physics 2, "intro to music" (haha, didn't take it last year like i shouldof), orchestra |
| 21:47:09 | blair | holy fuck |
| 21:47:13 | blair | that is a wicked looking tank |
| 21:47:18 | patlabor221 | baby tank |
| 21:47:26 | patlabor221 | it wants to be a real tank when it growns up |
| 21:47:35 | captain_proton | hovertank is better |
| 21:47:56 | blair | is that new for 1.8? |
| 21:48:07 | patlabor221 | no I just made that |
| 21:48:24 | patlabor221 | and I have another here |
| 21:48:29 | patlabor221 | just gotta find the pict |
| 21:48:59 | blair | digital logic? |
| 21:49:08 | blair | experimental physics? |
| 21:49:16 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/TankShots.png |
| 21:49:16 | captain_proton | digital logic = circuits |
| 21:49:22 | blair | pretty broad classes |
| 21:49:23 | patlabor221 | is the more standard "tank" |
| 21:49:25 | blair | orchestra? |
| 21:49:34 | captain_proton | blair: yeah, music major y'know |
| 21:49:44 | captain_proton | the university symphony is a class |
| 21:49:56 | blair | yeah yeah, i wish i were a musicmajor |
| 21:49:57 | captain_proton | 1 credit hour for 7.5 hours of rehearsal a week |
| 21:50:06 | blair | jee thats tough... |
| 21:50:08 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hovertank = better |
| 21:50:42 | blair | i'm lining up "survey of algebra", "functional data structures", "database systems", "robotics", and "topology" |
| 21:50:46 | | I haven't seen 'the', captain_proton |
| 21:50:46 | captain_proton | blair: seen the pimpageness that is the hovertank? |
| 21:50:55 | | Sorry, captain_proton, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:50:55 | captain_proton | ibot: shut up |
| 21:51:16 | blair | no i haven't |
| 21:51:24 | blair | its pimp? |
| 21:51:25 | captain_proton | http://www.artemisgames.com/hover1.jpg |
| 21:52:01 | captain_proton | other pimped tanks come to pray at the feet of the hovertank |
| 21:52:31 | blair | that is wicked |
| 21:52:36 | blair | will that make 1.8? |
| 21:53:31 | captain_proton | probably |
| 21:53:42 | blair | this month? |
| 21:53:44 | captain_proton | downloadable tanks are a big wanted feature |
| 21:54:02 | blair | proton: why not custom based on map world / designer? |
| 21:54:31 | captain_proton | yes\ |
| 21:54:38 | blair | i mean, hovertank has some weird geometry, can i hit it with other tanks? |
| 21:54:59 | blair | i would really like to customize the onscreen display for these things... |
| 21:55:08 | blair | THAT needs work |
| 21:56:55 | blair | anyway, i have some work to do |
| 21:56:59 | blair | later kids |
| 21:57:37 | patlabor221 | that hover tank is too fat |
| 21:58:04 | captain_proton | one of my friends just expanded the flag list |
| 21:58:55 | patlabor221 | and the hover tank needs to be textured |
| 22:00:27 | patlabor221 | and it wasn't realy designed for bz |
| 22:00:35 | patlabor221 | perhaps I will redo it for bz |
| 22:07:54 | jacques_gone | lol - inflate looks cool |
| 22:10:07 | jacques | WB could be a + in team play |
| 23:11:05 | bzdoug | banio? |
| 23:13:41 | patlabor221 | that is spanish for "craper" |
| 23:14:39 | captain_proton | excellent timing as always patlabor221 |
| 23:15:19 | bzdoug | haha |
| 23:15:40 | patlabor221 | well it is part of my idiom |
| 23:15:50 | patlabor221 | so noone likes my mini tank? |
| 23:16:01 | bzdoug | minitank? |
| 23:16:02 | bzdoug | ehere? |
| 23:16:05 | bzdoug | where? |
| 23:16:08 | patlabor221 | actualy it looks like it has a big ass |
| 23:16:15 | captain_proton | yeah, that was my issue with it |
| 23:16:20 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 23:16:23 | patlabor221 | must fix it |
| 23:16:33 | patlabor221 | mysite minitank.jpg |
| 23:16:37 | bzdoug | k |
| 23:17:27 | patlabor221 | and tankshots.jpg for a more traditional tank |
| 23:17:36 | bzdoug | aha! thats cool looking |
| 23:17:43 | patlabor221 | all though I've changed it since then |
| 23:17:46 | patlabor221 | it's not as wide |
| 23:18:00 | bzdoug | http://www.artemisgames.com/tankshots.jpg |
| 23:18:02 | bzdoug | ? |
| 23:18:19 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 23:18:19 | bzdoug | ibot patlabor221: is also http://www.artemisgames.com/ |
| 23:18:25 | patlabor221 | sprry png |
| 23:18:29 | bzdoug | so I can remember it.. |
| 23:18:41 | bzdoug | coool |
| 23:18:41 | jzaun | captain_proton: got a few? |
| 23:18:42 | patlabor221 | I need to change that main page |
| 23:18:48 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:19:23 | patlabor221 | pocket engine is dead |
| 23:19:27 | bzdoug | will the hover tanks bob around while hovering? like when you shoot it will rock back? |
| 23:19:28 | patlabor221 | long live LGE |
| 23:19:36 | captain_proton | jzaun: sorta kinda - whats up? |
| 23:19:43 | patlabor221 | I dono |
| 23:19:52 | patlabor221 | right now it's just a model |
| 23:20:00 | jzaun | not sure what to add to a world and wanted to get input... its running on 1.8 |
| 23:20:04 | patlabor221 | I planed for them to do that in the other thing |
| 23:20:18 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:20:20 | captain_proton | i'll go take a look |
| 23:20:26 | bzdoug | the "other thing" |
| 23:20:36 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:20:53 | bzdoug | tell me what this "other thing" is for? |
| 23:20:56 | bzdoug | a game? |
| 23:20:58 | bzdoug | bzflag? |
| 23:20:59 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:21:04 | patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 23:21:13 | bzdoug | Mmm? |
| 23:21:29 | patlabor221 | bzflag is deinged to play one way |
| 23:21:36 | bzdoug | yea? |
| 23:21:56 | patlabor221 | mostly it is degigned around 1 hit kills |
| 23:22:01 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 23:22:30 | patlabor221 | I think there are something that was like bz but played difrently would also be fun |
| 23:22:41 | bzdoug | yea |
| 23:22:46 | patlabor221 | little more complex then bz |
| 23:22:50 | patlabor221 | but in the same spirit |
| 23:22:58 | bzdoug | would it run the same bz 3d engine and stuff? |
| 23:23:05 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:23:08 | bzdoug | or totaly diferent code.. |
| 23:23:12 | patlabor221 | all new code base |
| 23:23:15 | bzdoug | cool |
| 23:23:26 | bzdoug | is it up on sourceforge? |
| 23:23:28 | bzdoug | :P |
| 23:23:31 | patlabor221 | and it supports hover tank hockey stops |
| 23:23:35 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:23:38 | bzdoug | hocket stops? |
| 23:23:40 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:23:56 | patlabor221 | you ever see someone on ice skates stop |
| 23:23:56 | bzdoug | Mmmm..... |
| 23:24:00 | bzdoug | yea |
| 23:24:11 | bzdoug | by slaming into a wall |
| 23:24:13 | patlabor221 | think of something like that with a tank |
| 23:24:16 | bzdoug | wow |
| 23:24:23 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 23:24:25 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:24:44 | patlabor221 | in practice it dosn't work very well in first person view |
| 23:24:52 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 23:24:54 | patlabor221 | but in third it's not too bad |
| 23:24:58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:25:06 | bzdoug | how far are you into making it? |
| 23:26:10 | jzaun | So what should I put outside the building besides more ways into the building? |
| 23:26:29 | bzdoug | teleports and ads |
| 23:26:32 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:26:34 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/clouds.jpg shows the last hud test |
| 23:26:46 | bzdoug | whoa |
| 23:26:54 | patlabor221 | actualy that's an older hud |
| 23:26:55 | bzdoug | could I, um, beta test? |
| 23:27:06 | patlabor221 | it dosn't do anything now |
| 23:27:13 | patlabor221 | and it's being rewriten |
| 23:27:13 | bzdoug | Directory Listing Denied |
| 23:27:16 | bzdoug | oh |
| 23:27:33 | bzdoug | blah, ever hear of index files? |
| 23:27:35 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 23:27:45 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:27:58 | bzdoug | Mmmm |
| 23:28:01 | jzaun | What is pockettanks? |
| 23:28:10 | bzdoug | very small tanks... |
| 23:28:15 | Widget | wants to use UUCP! |
| 23:28:18 | Widget | I want my own bang path! |
| 23:28:20 | bzdoug | UUCP? |
| 23:28:29 | patlabor221 | actualy I need to get my AP guy to make me an ASP page that will show the contents of a folder with thumbnails |
| 23:28:44 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:28:57 | bzdoug | cool |
| 23:29:06 | jzaun | patlabor221: is it bzflag or a clone or a new game or what? |
| 23:29:08 | bzdoug | it has sheilds and power levels... |
| 23:29:30 | patlabor221 | it has some similar things |
| 23:29:36 | patlabor221 | just a side project realy |
| 23:29:39 | bzdoug | any other photos? |
| 23:29:40 | captain_proton | is gonna go finish up cages |
| 23:29:53 | patlabor221 | and doug: those were just for me to test stuff |
| 23:29:58 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:30:05 | bzdoug | well, it looks very nice.... |
| 23:30:07 | bzdoug | :) |
| 23:30:23 | jzaun | captain_proton: I like the HUD in that URL patlabor221 posted... |
| 23:30:43 | bzdoug | now I need a grafics card to push it... |
| 23:30:50 | captain_proton | jzaun: where? |
| 23:30:58 | patlabor221 | let me show an image of the current hud test |
| 23:30:59 | jzaun | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/clouds.jpg |
| 23:31:26 | bzdoug | fiddles with VC++ |
| 23:31:35 | Widget | patlabor221: Wow, how did you create that? |
| 23:32:00 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/HudTest2.jpb |
| 23:32:03 | patlabor221 | gahh |
| 23:32:06 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/HudTest2.jpg |
| 23:32:13 | bzdoug | wow |
| 23:32:14 | patlabor221 | how did I make that |
| 23:32:16 | jzaun | now if all these side project people would work on bzflag... 1.9 would be out already :-) |
| 23:32:29 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 23:32:32 | bzdoug | so it tilts? |
| 23:32:38 | patlabor221 | in first person yes |
| 23:32:42 | bzdoug | cool |
| 23:32:44 | patlabor221 | if your in a hover |
| 23:32:54 | bzdoug | I bet that takes a bit of GPU power... |
| 23:32:56 | patlabor221 | if not no |
| 23:33:00 | patlabor221 | no not realy |
| 23:33:03 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 23:33:11 | patlabor221 | it's a very simple scene |
| 23:33:16 | bzdoug | bzflag is just vertical... |
| 23:33:19 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 23:33:27 | patlabor221 | just the quad for the ground |
| 23:33:29 | bzdoug | patlabor221: do you have a binary yet? |
| 23:33:38 | patlabor221 | 4 quads for the edges |
| 23:33:42 | patlabor221 | or walls |
| 23:33:42 | bzdoug | hm |
| 23:33:45 | jzaun | patlabor221: for linux? |
| 23:33:53 | patlabor221 | 1 quad for each cloud |
| 23:33:54 | bzdoug | patlabor221: for windows? |
| 23:34:00 | patlabor221 | windows noq |
| 23:34:01 | patlabor221 | now |
| 23:34:05 | bzdoug | oh |
| 23:34:14 | bzdoug | is that, um, downloadable? |
| 23:34:17 | jzaun | patlabor221: Should patch bzflag for you HUD |
| 23:34:19 | bzdoug | just to take a spin in it? |
| 23:34:36 | patlabor221 | I am redoing the libs it uses and making linux versions of the libs |
| 23:34:43 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:34:49 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 23:34:51 | bzdoug | .... |
| 23:34:57 | patlabor221 | I have a branch that starts to make the hud look like that |
| 23:35:08 | patlabor221 | doug: it is no where near ready |
| 23:35:15 | bzdoug | patlabor221: does it shoot and have sounds yet? |
| 23:35:18 | bzdoug | oh |
| 23:35:19 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:35:19 | bzdoug | k |
| 23:35:25 | bzdoug | poof |
| 23:35:26 | patlabor221 | all that is, is a hud test |
| 23:35:30 | bzdoug | oh |
| 23:35:43 | bzdoug | will that work on any computer though? |
| 23:35:50 | bzdoug | the hud test? |
| 23:35:53 | patlabor221 | it was the final inegration test of all the libs |
| 23:35:58 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:36:02 | patlabor221 | it will require hardware acceleration |
| 23:36:13 | patlabor221 | it's my test lab project |
| 23:36:16 | patlabor221 | well a newer one |
| 23:36:18 | bzdoug | I have "some" hardware accelerations... |
| 23:36:35 | patlabor221 | you have crap acceleration |
| 23:36:45 | bzdoug | so? |
| 23:36:52 | bzdoug | it "might" work |
| 23:36:57 | patlabor221 | I don't think it will support the blending that's all |
| 23:37:01 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:37:09 | bzdoug | gf2 work with it? |
| 23:37:14 | captain_proton | jzaun: well, since riker is away.... patches welcome ;-) |
| 23:37:16 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:37:21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:37:30 | patlabor221 | I'm trying to find the world test now |
| 23:37:36 | bzdoug | I am getting a gf2 soon... I could test it then.. |
| 23:37:45 | jzaun | you have the patch for the HUD I was working on... didn't use it though :-( |
| 23:39:01 | captain_proton | jzaun: i've yet to really look at it, i'm afraid |
| 23:39:01 | captain_proton | =| |
| 23:39:27 | jzaun | ooohhhhhh, um, thats, ah, ok :-) |
| 23:40:24 | bzdoug | jzaun: what hud? |
| 23:41:27 | jzaun | Was working /am working on a new HUD for BZFlag |
| 23:41:33 | jzaun | 1.8 |
| 23:41:37 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:41:48 | bzdoug | you have the the patched files for it? |
| 23:41:53 | bzdoug | I could try it... |
| 23:42:01 | jzaun | not a recent on... let me update the code |
| 23:42:38 | bzdoug | haha, funny java script... |
| 23:42:38 | bzdoug | http://www.lookoutpx.net/snapshots/lookout_src.zip |
| 23:45:09 | patlabor221 | here is a shot of the world db loader test |
| 23:45:23 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/worldtest.jpg |
| 23:45:30 | patlabor221 | its way older |
| 23:45:36 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:45:40 | bzdoug | cool looking... |
| 23:45:56 | bzdoug | spheres.. |
| 23:45:58 | bzdoug | cooool |
| 23:46:03 | patlabor221 | they spin too |
| 23:46:29 | bzdoug | haha |
| 23:46:41 | patlabor221 | and here is the new app |
| 23:46:55 | patlabor221 | all it has is menus so par |
| 23:47:01 | bzdoug | oooh |
| 23:47:03 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/menu.jpg |
| 23:47:13 | patlabor221 | well at least the splash menu |
| 23:47:25 | bzdoug | BZArena... |
| 23:47:26 | bzdoug | :) |
| 23:47:37 | patlabor221 | it's relay just a test for the menu pannel classes |
| 23:47:53 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:48:13 | captain_proton | patlabor221: so...um...what is bza? |
| 23:48:19 | patlabor221 | it's got this realy cool menu pannel handaler, all you need to do is place items, and derive off a handaler class and it takes care of the rest |
| 23:48:36 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:48:38 | bzdoug | simple |
| 23:48:46 | patlabor221 | it's also just a test |
| 23:49:11 | patlabor221 | need to hook up the particle system in the background |
| 23:49:29 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:49:32 | bzdoug | fog? |
| 23:49:48 | patlabor221 | but at least the menu test uses the new engine lib, and that exists on linux as well |
| 23:49:53 | patlabor221 | ohh sure |
| 23:50:03 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 23:50:17 | captain_proton | fog != particles |
| 23:50:24 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:50:39 | bzdoug | very small particles |
| 23:50:40 | patlabor221 | but you can have fog && particles |
| 23:51:38 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/SimpleWorld.txt |
| 23:51:56 | patlabor221 | is my map DB desgin test |
| 23:51:59 | bzdoug | simple eh? |
| 23:52:05 | patlabor221 | well it should be sample |
| 23:52:11 | bzdoug | aj |
| 23:52:13 | bzdoug | ah |
| 23:52:27 | patlabor221 | it shows an example of every field in the world manager so far |
| 23:52:40 | patlabor221 | or at least world manager 2 |
| 23:52:53 | patlabor221 | moslty I just use this to test stuff we talk about in here |
| 23:53:21 | patlabor221 | the object class that I made the first BZG converter was from this |
| 23:53:23 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 23:54:26 | jzaun | ooh New StarGate SG-1 tonight :-0 **and** its on now :-) |
| 23:54:28 | jzaun | bbiab |
| 23:54:47 | patlabor221 | hmm cap, for BZ will I have to break that hovertank into parts so it can explode? |
| 23:54:53 | patlabor221 | or will that be automatic? |
| 23:54:58 | bzdoug | cool |
| 23:55:21 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yeah, you will |
| 23:55:28 | patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 23:55:42 | patlabor221 | cus right now it's all just 2 manafold meshes |
| 23:55:52 | patlabor221 | no bonus polys |
| 23:56:12 | bzdoug | sighs |
| 23:56:17 | patlabor221 | I'll proalby connect the turret to the body for bz |
| 23:56:29 | patlabor221 | since it dosn't turn, may as well design it like that |
| 23:56:43 | jzaun | patlabor221: could patch BZ to do it automatically to make it easier to add tanks in the furture :-) |
| 23:57:33 | patlabor221 | I thought somone told me that that was the plan for 1.8 |
| 23:57:42 | patlabor221 | to allow personal tank models |
| 23:57:46 | bzdoug | 1.8 IS a plan |
| 23:57:53 | patlabor221 | aka PPMs |
| 23:58:02 | bzdoug | patlabor221: that woudl be nice |
| 23:58:08 | bzdoug | or just a skin.... |
| 23:58:16 | patlabor221 | skin woudl just be a texture change |
| 23:58:37 | patlabor221 | there would need to be a transport issue to make sure everyone had all the models and textures |
| 23:59:23 | patlabor221 | yeah the baby tank does have a huge ass |
| 23:59:30 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:59:42 | patlabor221 | and I don't like the treads now |
| 23:59:56 | patlabor221 | thinks he has another one somewhere |
