| 00:06:09 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 00:06:11 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 00:16:58 | BZFlag | fixes the wiki edit page for netscape. |
| 00:19:31 | Widget | hihihi, Skipp. |
| 00:20:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: soo... have a list of flags for me? =} |
| 00:20:32 | Skipp | hey |
| 00:20:59 | Skipp | widget u still there |
| 00:21:44 | jacques | oooh, is an exp of the new flags going on bzflag.org ? |
| 00:21:54 | Widget | Skipp: Yes. |
| 00:23:30 | BZFlag | captain_proton: nope. |
| 00:23:53 | BZFlag | captain_proton: get it in the wiki. ;-) I can't edit any pages now. |
| 00:24:10 | captain_proton | can't? |
| 00:24:15 | BZFlag | at least I can see the edit page now. |
| 00:24:24 | BZFlag | can't edit. can see. |
| 00:25:20 | captain_proton | so whats the MoinMoin syntax for dumping in a big block of html? |
| 00:25:29 | BZFlag | do a chmod -R g+w on the bzflag dir for kicks. |
| 00:25:38 | captain_proton | on the bzflag dir? |
| 00:26:18 | BZFlag | {{{#!html ... }}} is what we use, but I think that's a Lineo extension I have not put up there yet. |
| 00:26:27 | BZFlag | yeah on the bzflag group dir. |
| 00:27:12 | BZFlag | then add a "umask 002" to your .bash_profile |
| 00:28:39 | captain_proton | hmm, lots of Operation not permitted's |
| 00:30:19 | captain_proton | edit appears to work, but preview doesn't |
| 00:31:24 | BZFlag | ah. I think I tried preview. |
| 00:31:30 | BZFlag | does it work on your box? |
| 00:31:38 | captain_proton | yep, works fine |
| 00:32:13 | captain_proton | i've got python2.2 here though - sf's working python is 1.5 (they seem to have 2.2, but #!/usr/bin/python2.2 just gives a 500) |
| 00:34:11 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 00:34:13 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 00:36:02 | bryjen | its a slow night |
| 00:36:59 | bryjen | ahah, a teammate! |
| 00:37:41 | BZFlag | maybe 2.2 is only on the shell boxes. |
| 00:38:08 | captain_proton | thats what i was thinking |
| 00:41:14 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/test1.cgi |
| 00:45:56 | Worf | I've never used IRC before. |
| 00:46:29 | bryjen | Worf: first time for everything |
| 00:46:30 | Widget | hihihi, Worf. |
| 00:46:37 | Widget | Worf: Bye, I have to leave. |
| 00:46:37 | Worf | Hi Widget |
| 00:46:44 | Worf | cya |
| 00:47:08 | Worf | bryjen, u there? |
| 00:47:19 | bryjen | Worf: yes |
| 00:47:35 | Worf | So, do we have a match? |
| 00:48:21 | bryjen | Looks like we might Sunday. I have said anything for sure 'cause I don't know if we'll have a third player. |
| 00:48:38 | Worf | Is it usually 3 |
| 00:49:03 | bryjen | Three per team at once. and you really need all three. |
| 00:49:13 | Worf | ok |
| 00:49:49 | bryjen | I think ducati's about right with four on a team. Three is more challenging. |
| 00:49:58 | Worf | I'll be checking in alot. Could you email me with any news? |
| 00:50:18 | bryjen | email of bzmail (on the web page) ? |
| 00:50:34 | bryjen | email OR bzmail |
| 00:50:38 | Worf | Hmmm, email. worf@wi.rr.com |
| 00:50:49 | bryjen | sure |
| 00:51:10 | Worf | cool. I'll keep checking bzmail too. thanks |
| 00:51:30 | Worf | where are you located? |
| 00:52:12 | bryjen | USA, Kentucky |
| 00:52:18 | Doughecka | :) |
| 00:52:23 | Doughecka | kentucky... cool |
| 00:52:24 | Doughecka | ;) |
| 00:52:30 | Worf | I'm in Wisconsin |
| 00:52:36 | Doughecka | I am in louisville |
| 00:52:43 | bryjen | but not in Loo-uh-vull |
| 00:52:58 | Doughecka | louISville |
| 00:53:03 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 00:53:11 | Doughecka | or what everelse they have... |
| 00:53:14 | Doughecka | ;) |
| 00:53:26 | Doughecka | owensboro? |
| 00:53:27 | Worf | I've been there. It's nice |
| 00:53:28 | Doughecka | hrm |
| 00:53:56 | Doughecka | ok, so your on the river too |
| 00:54:08 | bryjen | Actually, they usually run out the "uh" too. so its Loo-vull |
| 00:54:17 | Doughecka | haha |
| 00:54:35 | Doughecka | luuville |
| 00:55:02 | bryjen | Yes. Owensboro, KY. it says so in my DNS name. |
| 00:55:07 | Doughecka | yup |
| 00:55:07 | Doughecka | ;) |
| 00:55:16 | Doughecka | and mine says louisville |
| 00:55:19 | Doughecka | I think |
| 00:55:25 | Doughecka | lou |
| 00:55:42 | Doughecka | SteveJobs@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net (Apple) |
| 00:55:59 | Doughecka | ack, I wonder how stevejobs got in there |
| 00:56:02 | Doughecka | :P |
| 00:56:04 | bryjen | I've never been to WI. Got close - northern Illinois. |
| 00:56:15 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 00:56:17 | Worf | Not much different |
| 00:56:43 | bryjen | Yeah. It's all to cold and snowey in the winter :) |
| 00:56:51 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:57:00 | bzdoug | TOO snowey |
| 00:57:06 | Worf | I hate cold. What the hell am I doing here? :) |
| 00:57:09 | bzdoug | at least we only get 3 inch MAX |
| 00:57:21 | Worf | nThats not much |
| 00:57:22 | bzdoug | maybe a foot in a freak winter |
| 00:57:43 | bzdoug | my first year in kentucky, we had a foot of snow |
| 00:57:54 | Worf | I was in Franksville when one inch shot down the city |
| 00:58:07 | bryjen | but we don't have the facilities to deal with it when it does snow alot 'cuase it doesn't happen that ofter. |
| 00:58:20 | bryjen | often |
| 00:58:22 | bzdoug | I thought, wow this is cool, but every winter after that, its 2 inchs, 4 inchs etc |
| 00:58:32 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 00:58:34 | bzdoug | yea |
| 00:58:55 | bzdoug | but my street is on the snow plow parking and refilling area |
| 00:58:59 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 00:59:06 | Worf | For an inch we don't even notice |
| 00:59:11 | bzdoug | so my street is ALWAYS clean |
| 00:59:32 | bzdoug | problem is getting out of the drive way... |
| 00:59:36 | Worf | They are real good at dealing with snow here |
| 00:59:41 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 00:59:45 | bzdoug | I am sure... |
| 01:00:14 | Worf | A snowblower in every garage |
| 01:00:31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so right now there's no way to drop HTML into the wiki? |
| 01:00:41 | bzdoug | news broadcast: Today we had 40 inchs of snow, hope you packed a few snow shoes in your car... |
| 01:00:56 | bryjen | Worf: have you seen Lazarus recently |
| 01:01:01 | Worf | no |
| 01:01:14 | Worf | maybe he's on vacation |
| 01:01:33 | bzdoug | hes alive? |
| 01:01:40 | bryjen | me neither. angie was on ducati a while ago, but she left before i had a break to ask her about playing Sunday. |
| 01:01:48 | BZFlag | captain_proton: nope, but I can add it easy enough. |
| 01:01:49 | bzdoug | chuckles at his lame joke |
| 01:01:49 | captain_proton | i saw him the other day |
| 01:02:02 | Worf | u did? |
| 01:02:08 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ahh, well it would be best to have that functionality before i drop in the flag table |
| 01:02:25 | bzdoug | yay!!!!, its ZZZzzzz time!!!! |
| 01:02:33 | Worf | cya |
| 01:02:35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: is that extension public? |
| 01:05:14 | captain_proton | BZFlag: did you answer? i got disconnected |
| 01:06:10 | Worf | Is it possible to direct a message to only one person in IRC? |
| 01:06:18 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:06:25 | bzdoug | /msg |
| 01:06:29 | captain_proton | /query person or /msg person message |
| 01:06:31 | bzdoug | /msg user |
| 01:06:40 | Worf | ok, thanks |
| 01:07:38 | Worf | bryjen: Thanks for telling me about this. I gotta go. cya |
| 01:07:51 | bryjen | see ya later |
| 01:11:45 | BZFlag | captain_proton: "#format HTML" at the top of a page in the editor. |
| 01:11:58 | BZFlag | I just added it. |
| 01:12:31 | BZFlag | /home/users/t/ti/timriker/bzflag/moin/lib/python2.2/site-packages/MoinMoin/parser/html.py |
| 01:13:16 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/HtmlTest <- example. |
| 01:14:08 | captain_proton | ok, i'll have the flag list dropped in there in no time |
| 01:15:38 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList |
| 01:16:41 | bryjen | ski: Hi |
| 01:17:44 | ski | hi |
| 01:17:55 | bzdoug | wow |
| 01:17:59 | bzdoug | A problem occurred while running a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, with the most recent (innermost) call first. The exception attributes are: |
| 01:17:59 | bzdoug | args = ('getvalue',) |
| 01:18:03 | bzdoug | :) |
| 01:18:13 | bzdoug | I broke it while making a new user account |
| 01:18:20 | ski | were you able to get a game going? |
| 01:18:22 | bzdoug | I guess its not fully running? |
| 01:20:56 | captain_proton | bzdoug: don't do accounts |
| 01:20:58 | captain_proton | bzdoug: just edit |
| 01:26:39 | captain_proton | so now BZFlag... :) |
| 01:28:49 | captain_proton | rubs up against ibot |
| 01:29:25 | BZFlag | what's with the color status? |
| 01:29:42 | captain_proton | look down |
| 01:29:47 | BZFlag | captain_proton: any idea why accounts are broken? |
| 01:29:54 | BZFlag | ahh, /me scrolls |
| 01:29:58 | captain_proton | hmm, no, never looked at the account stuff |
| 01:30:38 | captain_proton | once i finally get you to go through this list i'll start debugging the wiki more thoroughly ;-) |
| 01:39:17 | BZFlag | captain_proton: happy now? |
| 01:39:47 | captain_proton | yaaay |
| 01:39:51 | captain_proton | but no magnet? =( |
| 01:40:20 | BZFlag | the network implications of magnet are staggering. =( |
| 01:40:35 | captain_proton | true |
| 01:40:58 | captain_proton | but the potential for skilled players taking advantage of it are staggering too |
| 01:40:59 | BZFlag | if you can steer someone elses shot towards you, then you can steer it away too. |
| 01:41:42 | BZFlag | if handled as GM and steered on the shooter, then the server has to check the target's flag. |
| 01:42:04 | BZFlag | or the any shooter will be able to steer any shot. |
| 01:42:16 | BZFlag | (when cheating...) |
| 01:42:36 | captain_proton | i think you may be thinking of a different flag(?) |
| 01:42:44 | captain_proton | magnet attracts shots towards your own tank |
| 01:43:00 | BZFlag | no. attracts == steering. |
| 01:43:06 | captain_proton | explain |
| 01:43:14 | BZFlag | the shot steers |
| 01:43:58 | BZFlag | from permissions standpoint, where it steers is not relavant. the question is who steers it and how can the server verify that it should be steered |
| 01:43:58 | captain_proton | how exactly? its just a function of position and velocity |
| 01:44:09 | captain_proton | ok, i can see that |
| 01:44:44 | captain_proton | what if the server steers it? |
| 01:44:48 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:45:01 | BZFlag | perhaps. work on the other ones first. ;-) |
| 01:45:05 | captain_proton | breaks out his negociation boots |
| 01:45:09 | captain_proton | ok, ok |
| 01:45:24 | captain_proton | i just have had this fantasy of slingshotting incoming shots towards other players |
| 01:45:31 | BZFlag | perhaps I should clasify some as never instead of no. |
| 01:45:50 | captain_proton | yes, ok =D |
| 01:46:05 | BZFlag | this one is a no cause I can't see a secure design without a lot of overhead on the server. |
| 01:46:31 | captain_proton | won't we have that overhead anyways? since the server will verify (if not detect) kills |
| 01:46:59 | BZFlag | that's just position check. not an issue with permission. |
| 01:47:13 | captain_proton | whats the difference? |
| 01:47:40 | BZFlag | let's say the magnet user has permission to steer shots. imagine the hack as he steers shots all over the board. |
| 01:47:57 | captain_proton | but they don't have the permission - magnet's effect is like gravity |
| 01:48:19 | captain_proton | the shot is altered based on its own position and velocity related to the tank's position |
| 01:48:30 | BZFlag | perhaps. still keeping everyone in sync is tough. |
| 01:48:56 | BZFlag | you don't want each client calculating the path, cause they are slightly out of sync. |
| 01:49:32 | BZFlag | the server is the most likely candidate. which adds extra overhead. let's do he others first. |
| 01:49:39 | captain_proton | gotcha |
| 01:50:24 | BZFlag | you going to sort the list now? |
| 01:50:45 | captain_proton | care to do the 'never's? |
| 01:51:09 | captain_proton | and then i'll sort? |
| 01:55:43 | captain_proton | one comment: Heat Seeker is not the same as GM - you have to avoid it yourself |
| 01:56:01 | captain_proton | and it may go after someone unintended (like a teammate) |
| 02:00:47 | BZFlag | ok, doing nevers |
| 02:04:30 | BZFlag | k, nevered |
| 02:07:06 | captain_proton | goes to sort |
| 02:16:23 | jacques | hay, can you guys add huge textures, super detailed models, and pixel shaders to bflag? |
| 02:16:33 | jacques | I wanna use it to test my graphics card overclocks |
| 02:16:35 | jacques | :-D |
| 02:16:51 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:23:08 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList |
| 02:24:56 | jacques | MQ is evil |
| 02:25:11 | Widget | The file or directory http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList does not exist. |
| 02:25:18 | Widget | Oh, yes. |
| 02:25:21 | Widget | I need the www. |
| 02:28:08 | captain_proton | Widget: you do? |
| 02:28:11 | captain_proton | silly Widget! |
| 02:28:15 | captain_proton | jacques: how so? |
| 02:28:42 | captain_proton | jacques: its only in the view - radar, bullets, scoreboard are all as they should be |
| 02:29:07 | Widget | captain_proton: Silly iCab. |
| 02:29:16 | captain_proton | Widget: www.mozilla.org |
| 02:29:31 | jacques | captain_proton: aaaah, that's much better then |
| 02:29:38 | Widget | captain_proton: But it doesn't match with my bubbly buttons and stuff. |
| 02:30:06 | captain_proton | Widget: i'm sure you could find a bubbly theme for mozilla |
| 02:30:35 | Widget | captain_proton: Why bother? Adding the www is easier. |
| 02:32:31 | BZFlag | Widget: what DNS server are you using? |
| 02:33:49 | Widget | 203.109.252.42 |
| 02:33:51 | Widget | And... |
| 02:33:56 | Widget | 203.109.252.43 |
| 02:34:18 | Widget | Those are in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:34:57 | BZFlag | hmm.. bzflag.org looks fine on both of those. |
| 02:35:08 | Widget | It works with Skipstone! |
| 02:37:45 | Widget | They say ihug's DNS servers are pretty flaky. |
| 02:39:06 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you're sure no main web site replacement? i'd have it functioning in no time |
| 02:40:29 | Widget | The new layout looks a lot better. |
| 02:40:40 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I'm about to walk out the door for 2 weeks. no thanx. ;-) |
| 02:40:49 | captain_proton | chucks a lightning bolt at BZFlag |
| 02:41:03 | BZFlag | looses his shield flag |
| 02:41:14 | BZFlag | then catches it again |
| 02:41:17 | captain_proton | blast! |
| 02:41:38 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: make a copy of the main page that works while he's gone, so that when he gets back you can convince him better |
| 02:41:43 | BZFlag | uses Cell's cheat client. |
| 02:42:07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he's convinced already, its just he wants to wait |
| 02:42:15 | captain_proton | meanwhile, i'm an impatient little bastard |
| 02:42:25 | Patlabor221 | haxor it then |
| 02:42:30 | BZFlag | so hack some flags already. sheesh. ;-) |
| 02:43:19 | Patlabor221 | or cap you could port my texture manager to linux for me :) :):):):):) |
| 02:46:16 | captain_proton | claims a flag |
| 02:47:39 | captain_proton | haha i choose the easy one! |
| 02:48:12 | Patlabor221 | the wedgie flag? |
| 02:48:24 | captain_proton | No Jumping |
| 02:48:41 | Patlabor221 | that indeed should be easy |
| 02:49:22 | Patlabor221 | but what are you going to do after the 10 min it takes to do it |
| 02:52:38 | captain_proton | good question |
| 02:53:05 | jacques | how about a flag that gives the properties of the flag the nearest player has? |
| 02:53:16 | captain_proton | jacques: ? |
| 02:53:53 | jacques | captain_proton: like I have the clone flag and you have laser, and you are nearest player to me, so I have laser too |
| 02:54:15 | jacques | captain_proton: but someone else gets closer and they have GM, so now I have GM instead |
| 02:54:15 | captain_proton | jacques: add it to the bottom of the list on the wiki page |
| 02:54:22 | jacques | woo! |
| 02:54:44 | captain_proton | put ' ' in the status column |
| 02:55:27 | Widget | BZFlag: Where? |
| 02:57:16 | jacques | captain_proton: I just tried to create a profile and it bailed on me with a python error - tho maybe I filled something in the form wrong... looking |
| 02:57:30 | captain_proton | jacques: don't do that - just go down to edit |
| 02:57:34 | captain_proton | bottom of the page |
| 02:57:57 | captain_proton | i still need to debug profiles & previews |
| 02:58:38 | jacques | captain_proton: OK, I thought I had to create one first .. going to edit now |
| 03:03:15 | jacques | captain_proton: OK I added it to bottom of list |
| 03:04:02 | captain_proton | jacques: color it 'idea' and it'll be perfect |
| 03:04:35 | BZFlag | we need to fix the profile creation sometime. there are some cool options there. |
| 03:04:50 | BZFlag | like it can remember the last wiki page you visited. ;-) |
| 03:05:13 | BZFlag | actually the last 4 you vistied. |
| 03:05:20 | BZFlag | er visited. |
| 03:05:20 | jacques | captain_proton: oops, ok |
| 03:14:08 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:14:11 | captain_proton | NJ flag done |
| 03:15:38 | jacques | "get a rope" |
| 03:15:51 | captain_proton | ? |
| 03:16:05 | jacques | lol, from an old commercial for hot sauce |
| 03:16:19 | jacques | NJ == New Jersey |
| 03:16:42 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:18:21 | jzaun | ooh... try LR next :-) |
| 03:32:47 | Widget | captain_proton: Up for a game of go? |
| 03:33:39 | captain_proton | Widget: no |
| 03:33:43 | jpablo | duh, this person called google bot seems to really like my site. he comes over and over :-). |
| 03:33:46 | Widget | OK. |
| 03:34:18 | Widget | Does he visit it more than the guy called Code Red? |
| 03:34:54 | jpablo | actualy code red doens't look for my page but for ../..//some.dll?stuff?sdascjaos232#$ |
| 03:35:45 | jacques | i thought code red was a soft dring |
| 03:35:48 | jacques | drink |
| 03:36:00 | jacques | red mountain dew |
| 03:36:15 | jpablo | %-). |
| 03:36:33 | jacques | it's ont bad |
| 03:36:35 | jacques | not |
| 03:36:35 | jacques | :-) |
| 03:37:18 | Widget | Where is your webpage? |
| 03:37:23 | Widget | You're going to get another hit. |
| 03:37:42 | jpablo | pfft, people.gnulinux.org.mx/jpablo |
| 03:37:54 | jpablo | humm, |
| 03:37:57 | jpablo | my page is gonne. |
| 03:38:12 | jacques | how boring |
| 03:38:45 | jpablo | ho, there's the page again :-D. |
| 03:39:54 | Widget | Eep, what's all this stuff you're talking about under GNUStep and Linux? |
| 03:40:33 | jpablo | oh, just random stuff, don't pay so much atention :-P |
| 03:41:24 | jacques | bah if I wrote a diary it would be, woke up, went to work, came home, went to sleep, repeat |
| 03:41:36 | Widget | Wots this FCFM? |
| 03:43:01 | jpablo | facultad de ciencias fiscico matematicas :-). |
| 03:43:04 | Widget | |
| 03:43:10 | jpablo | www.fcfm.uanl.mx |
| 03:43:16 | Widget | ??? |
| 03:43:17 | Widget | |
| 03:43:22 | jpablo | school. |
| 03:49:34 | Widget | On my map, Monterrey looks like a large city. |
| 03:49:49 | Widget | So the GULGMty must be very large. |
| 03:50:36 | jpablo | we have peaks. |
| 03:50:55 | Widget | How many now? |
| 03:50:55 | jpablo | most of the time all people figth each others and a lot of people leave. |
| 03:51:21 | jpablo | rigth now we are like 20 persons. |
| 03:51:40 | Widget | In such a large city as Monterrey? |
| 03:51:50 | Widget | Does everyone play BZFlag? |
| 03:52:30 | jpablo | yeah, there's a lot of people using linux, but mostly nobody care about the LUG. |
| 03:52:48 | jpablo | of the 20, almost 10 people play bzflag constantly :-P. |
| 03:53:36 | Widget | Hhee. Cute penguin on the webpage. |
| 03:53:39 | Widget | Who drew that? |
| 03:54:07 | jpablo | some dude called 'Bacilio', but now he is angry with someone in the lug and he doesn't show up around anymore. |
| 03:54:53 | Widget | Eep... it seems like a really stormy group. |
| 03:56:01 | jpablo | yeah, it is. |
| 03:58:22 | Widget | Are all the BZFlag players in GUGLMty on the team? |
| 03:59:13 | jpablo | on the league team ? |
| 03:59:18 | Widget | Yah. |
| 03:59:48 | jpablo | no, just the good ones :-). |
| 04:00:15 | Widget | Which ones aren't? Maybe I've seen them somewhere. |
| 04:00:35 | jpablo | i don't think they play on internet servers. |
| 04:00:42 | Widget | Oh. |
| 04:00:51 | Widget | They'll never get good if they play each other! |
| 04:00:57 | jpablo | 'zonricks', 'barocio', 'vox' don't remember they nick. |
| 04:01:23 | jpablo | we mostly use theys to gain points in local matches :-). |
| 04:05:07 | Widget | Tell them to play on ducati. |
| 04:10:43 | Widget | God, RMS looks scary. |
| 04:10:56 | jpablo | hehe, just noticed ? |
| 04:11:17 | Widget | The GUGLMty page linked to his page. |
| 04:12:50 | jpablo | yeah, there should be some photos when stallman give a speech here, but i nobody know where the photos are anymore :-| |
| 04:40:12 | Widget | didn't sleep last night and is falling asleep at the keyboard. |
| 04:40:16 | Widget | I'm going to take a name. |
| 04:40:18 | Widget | Er.. |
| 04:40:19 | Widget | nap. |
| 04:40:24 | Widget | is away: Nap. |
| 04:40:28 | captain_proton | takes a name |
| 04:54:58 | captain_proton | TimRiker: funny - all the ones you approved are the boring ones :) |
| 04:57:33 | TimRiker | captain_proton: heh. it's tough all over. |
| 04:58:02 | jacques_gone | 3 of 4 approved are - |
| 04:59:44 | jpablo | where's the list of approved flags ? |
| 04:59:44 | jacques_gone | lol, how about an instant death flag |
| 05:00:09 | jacques_gone | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList |
| 05:05:23 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList |
| 05:06:25 | MrApathyCream | the yes'es are approved? |
| 05:06:30 | captain_proton | yep |
| 05:06:35 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 05:08:32 | MrApathyCream | how bout reverse controls (bad flag) |
| 05:09:33 | MrApathyCream | reds are kinda boring tho |
| 05:09:46 | MrApathyCream | i like bounce |
| 05:09:47 | captain_proton | haha i just told riker that |
| 05:10:14 | MrApathyCream | wings is nice, tried it |
| 05:10:44 | captain_proton | i'm attached to the idea of magnet, but it requires significant overhead |
| 05:11:03 | MrApathyCream | dynamic shot path, i assume? |
| 05:11:21 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:11:40 | captain_proton | will certainly need to wait until the server keeps game-state |
| 05:11:48 | MrApathyCream | most are just too boring |
| 05:12:14 | captain_proton | HeatSeeker could have been cool, but alas |
| 05:12:16 | MrApathyCream | me thinks we should go for goofy/quirky/(haha factor) |
| 05:12:28 | captain_proton | eeyore flag! |
| 05:12:33 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:12:40 | MrApathyCream | that's a prototypically good flag |
| 05:12:47 | captain_proton | good? |
| 05:12:58 | MrApathyCream | well i mean a good - bad flag |
| 05:13:03 | captain_proton | aha |
| 05:13:18 | MrApathyCream | heres one for ya |
| 05:13:21 | MrApathyCream | a bad flag |
| 05:13:59 | MrApathyCream | you tank is equiped with a big fly swatter, when you shoot it slapps down in front of you and squashes anyone infront of you... of course it's almost impossible to hit anyone... thus bad..... but quite amusing |
| 05:14:09 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:14:25 | MrApathyCream | flags should have a chuckle factor |
| 05:15:22 | MrApathyCream | how often do you keep shield... while it's useful, its just too boring to use |
| 05:16:12 | captain_proton | new flags need new challenges |
| 05:16:19 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:16:53 | BZFlag | someone mentioned a "hover" flag. that's not on the list. |
| 05:17:01 | captain_proton | i think RV, WF, MG all have excellent 'challenge' potential |
| 05:17:08 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:17:10 | captain_proton | MN, not MG |
| 05:17:32 | MrApathyCream | i like RV and MN, ehh to WF |
| 05:17:33 | captain_proton | FF too if you can do it right |
| 05:18:27 | captain_proton | BO too if you can control the direction of the next bounce |
| 05:18:37 | MrApathyCream | yes bounce is good |
| 05:18:39 | jzaun | Can I add a flag to the bottom of the list? |
| 05:18:52 | captain_proton | yes, add whatever flags you like |
| 05:19:57 | captain_proton | ShockRing would be fun on the decks |
| 05:21:09 | MrApathyCream | prolly hard but 'architect' flag would be cool, drive into buildings and push them around the world |
| 05:22:11 | captain_proton | goes to hit the shower |
| 05:22:19 | captain_proton | be back in 15 mins or so |
| 05:24:02 | jzaun | Added DB - Idea came from the movie "The Last Star Fighter" |
| 05:24:54 | MrApathyCream | DB makes it easy to kill yourself :) |
| 05:25:14 | jzaun | if richo is on ya... if your near blocks |
| 05:25:30 | jzaun | but in the open or w/o recho its a good weapon |
| 05:25:43 | jzaun | its really a +/- weapon |
| 05:26:28 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:26:29 | jzaun | you'de have to wait the full reload time after each shot, but any tanks near you are blown up |
| 05:27:05 | MrApathyCream | i put a rear shot patch on sf, it's not as good as it seems, i think db would be the same problem |
| 05:27:43 | jzaun | Have you ever seen the movie? |
| 05:27:47 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:28:35 | jzaun | in actuallity the tank would have to spin at high spead and shoot at the right time... it was a weapon of last resort |
| 05:29:14 | jzaun | BTW, a really good movie |
| 05:29:28 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: that improved texture appearance patch by bz-ick is really really nice |
| 05:52:25 | captain_proton | returns |
| 05:55:30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: 'hover' would hover, i assume - how does one shoot tanks? |
| 05:56:04 | jpablo | i'm to bed dudes. |
| 06:08:46 | BZFlag | captain_proton: indeed, and how does the tank shoot you? |
| 06:09:22 | BZFlag | same effect as phantom. cept GM, not SB can kill you or a well timed jumper. |
| 06:10:28 | fontenot_ | how about a flag that propels you up in the air a little every time you fire? |
| 06:10:28 | captain_proton | well, timing the jump to kill is easy |
| 06:10:33 | captain_proton | but you killing them is hard |
| 06:12:38 | BZFlag | so make it a bad flag. ;-) |
| 06:16:21 | captain_proton | HV added to the bottom |
| 06:17:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what do you think of the FlySwatter flag? |
| 06:20:19 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:20:35 | MrApathyCream | flame thrower? |
| 06:20:41 | MrApathyCream | --particles :) |
| 06:20:48 | fontenot | mmmmm, particles |
| 06:20:59 | fontenot | but FT would be better with a damage model |
| 06:21:08 | captain_proton | eats particles for breakfast |
| 06:21:27 | MrApathyCream | yes would be nice to see tank drivin' around on fire |
| 06:22:45 | MrApathyCream | eeyore, eeyore, eeyore... |
| 06:23:59 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: hover, maybe you drop bombs... get a scope, ala binoculars, with cross hairs of ground |
| 06:24:12 | MrApathyCream | (looking straight down) |
| 06:25:01 | MrApathyCream | join as observer go way up and tilt straight down... pretty cool effect |
| 06:29:10 | Gorb | whats the GJK |
| 06:29:50 | captain_proton | its an algorithm |
| 06:30:40 | Gorb | yes i know, but what does it |
| 06:30:52 | | an algorithm for computing the distance between two objects : Gilbert, Johnson, and Keerthi |
| 06:30:52 | MrApathyCream | ibot, GJK? |
| 06:31:10 | captain_proton | there ya go :) |
| 06:32:22 | captain_proton | did BZFlag give his opinion on FlySwatter? |
| 06:32:25 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:32:29 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:32:54 | captain_proton | give people something to laugh at, and they will play forever |
| 06:33:16 | MrApathyCream | totally agree |
| 06:34:58 | captain_proton | have to admit it would be hard to take yourself seriously when you're driving around trying to swat tanks |
| 06:35:07 | MrApathyCream | how 'bout robot flag -- spawns an identical copy of your tank, say 80m off in the -x direction, everytime you shoot, he shoots. |
| 06:35:17 | MrApathyCream | of course, you robot could shoot you if you weren't careful |
| 06:35:27 | captain_proton | *shrug* - add it to the list |
| 06:35:35 | MrApathyCream | under 'flyswatter' |
| 06:35:37 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:35:48 | captain_proton | right |
| 06:36:24 | MrApathyCream | cappy's mission: build 3d coordinates of fly swatter |
| 06:37:02 | captain_proton | geometry? not now |
| 06:39:09 | MrApathyCream | need victory flip key... only after a kill, push the 'v' key tank does an in air flip |
| 06:40:19 | captain_proton | argg, what was i going to do? |
| 06:40:35 | MrApathyCream | flyswatter.xml? |
| 06:40:54 | MrApathyCream | you know you want to. |
| 06:41:29 | captain_proton | nono |
| 06:41:44 | captain_proton | oh well |
| 06:41:52 | captain_proton | are you editing the flags page? |
| 06:41:59 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:42:51 | captain_proton | just claimed LR |
| 06:44:39 | MrApathyCream | *yawn* |
| 06:45:38 | MrApathyCream | hey now that you download all the settings, how bout configurable radar distances. Radar only displays objects within n meters of your tank |
| 06:45:46 | MrApathyCream | rest is black |
| 06:46:31 | captain_proton | semi-trivial hack |
| 06:46:58 | MrApathyCream | yup, but could add new play-strategies |
| 06:47:59 | MrApathyCream | could do it with stencil |
| 06:48:12 | MrApathyCream | mmm at least for non-height dimension |
| 06:49:19 | | bomber was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 12 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: viel spass [Thu Jul 25 12:36:51 2002] |
| 06:49:19 | Pinguin | ibot seen bomber |
| 06:52:15 | Gorb | http://www.stanford.edu/~jgao/collision-detection.html |
| 06:52:21 | Gorb | just a nice link page |
| 06:53:13 | MrApathyCream | no one's tried my 'dinner for six' world :(( |
| 06:54:16 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/Worlds/Dinner4Six.bzw |
| 06:54:48 | captain_proton | looks at in bzedit |
| 06:55:17 | captain_proton | nicely done |
| 06:55:24 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: you need to use e6 roaming now to get 3d views up. |
| 06:56:29 | captain_proton | BZFlag: opinion on FlySwatter? :) |
| 06:59:57 | BZFlag | the hovering candle flames are cool. |
| 07:00:19 | BZFlag | captain_proton: whatever floats yer boat. it would be funny. |
| 07:00:48 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton brings up flyswatter.xml in editor... |
| 07:00:54 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you'd consider the flag going into cvs if it works? |
| 07:01:08 | fontenot | lol, flyswatter and hover only map |
| 07:01:22 | MrApathyCream | swat tanks in air, i love it! |
| 07:02:20 | fontenot | yeah! :-D |
| 07:02:37 | fontenot | and hover makes a buzzing sound |
| 07:02:43 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:04:05 | captain_proton | adds FS to the list |
| 07:04:21 | MrApathyCream | to make it somewhat interesting, the flyswatter if timed right should be able to swat down bullets, gms, etc |
| 07:04:39 | MrApathyCream | still would be pretty impossible to get close enough to actually get someone |
| 07:05:26 | captain_proton | could work |
| 07:06:04 | captain_proton | updated |
| 07:08:06 | captain_proton | is enamored with FS |
| 07:09:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: perhaps. we might add some flags like this that are normally off. and you need to +f to get them on. |
| 07:09:29 | captain_proton | yaaaaaay |
| 07:09:30 | BZFlag | so +f good would not get any |
| 07:09:41 | MrApathyCream | +f goofy |
| 07:09:47 | BZFlag | perhaps. |
| 07:10:49 | BZFlag | a map with lots of +FR and a few + FS would be fun. ;-) |
| 07:11:03 | fontenot | i think FW should be able to swat OO |
| 07:11:13 | fontenot | I meant FS |
| 07:11:28 | MrApathyCream | FS and BO would be fun too |
| 07:12:09 | BZFlag | hmm. that would mean the the swatter can go though buildings. that might be a good idea so you can still drive around. |
| 07:12:52 | captain_proton | i dunno |
| 07:12:54 | BZFlag | FS + BO + FR + HV ;-) |
| 07:12:59 | fontenot | yeah, would be a serious movement handicap otherwise |
| 07:13:11 | captain_proton | once new physics are in, it might be funny to watch a tank tip itself over by passing under a too-low bridge |
| 07:13:27 | BZFlag | tanks will never tip. |
| 07:13:43 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 07:14:11 | BZFlag | get over it. start a new more realistic codebase for that. with up down aiming gravity on shots etc. |
| 07:14:24 | MrApathyCream | agreed |
| 07:15:03 | BZFlag | bz must remain key simple. that means no turbo buttons and no on drop actions, no up/down aiming etc. |
| 07:15:18 | BZFlag | though I still might do auto up/down if we can try it and like it. |
| 07:15:23 | MrApathyCream | imagine king of the hill king is BO everyone else is FS |
| 07:15:32 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 07:15:38 | BZFlag | hehehe |
| 07:15:52 | fontenot | king of the dung pile? |
| 07:16:43 | BZFlag | well, must sleep. looks like my indian folk are not going to mail me. it's 2pm over there. |
| 07:17:02 | BZFlag | I should get some lunch. ;-) |
| 07:17:43 | fontenot | heh, later bz |
| 07:17:49 | fontenot | later BZFlag |
| 07:17:59 | BZFlag | while you're doing long reload. GM and laser should have a forced inter-shot delay added. |
| 07:18:33 | BZFlag | perhaps SW too. |
| 07:18:48 | MrApathyCream | eek 4:30 bed time |
| 07:19:09 | BZFlag | something like reloadtime / shotcount / 2 should be good. |
| 07:20:02 | BZFlag | so 2 shot servers would get 1/4 reload time but 5 shot servers get 1/10 reload time. |
| 07:20:23 | BZFlag | thoughts? |
| 07:21:02 | captain_proton | the inter-shot delay is longer on low-shot servers? |
| 07:21:15 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 07:21:34 | captain_proton | reasoning? |
| 07:23:29 | BZFlag | bigger impact, like reload time is now. |
| 07:23:53 | BZFlag | though I suppose that might infer that all shots should force the same rule. |
| 07:24:24 | BZFlag | might be interesting to try. |
| 07:24:45 | captain_proton | my only issue is that we have so many server admins who don't think and do 1/2 GM + 10 shots |
| 07:24:58 | fontenot | grr |
| 07:25:43 | BZFlag | well if the intershot were constant, then you might not even get 10 shots. perhaps not a bad idea either. |
| 07:26:20 | captain_proton | i think constant + server configurable is best |
| 07:27:04 | BZFlag | ok, patches welcome. nite all. |
| 07:32:54 | Widget | captain_proton: Have you seen "Replacement Killer"'s profile on the league website? |
| 07:33:48 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:33:54 | Widget | captain_proton: Go look at it. |
| 07:33:58 | Widget | captain_proton: You might find it interesting. |
| 07:38:51 | Widget | wonders if captain_proton will hire the Replacement Killer. |
| 07:39:47 | captain_proton | eeeenteresting |
| 07:40:07 | Widget | I wondered how long it would take for people to arrive with offers like this. |
| 07:40:14 | Widget | He messaged our team. |
| 07:41:07 | Widget | And asked if we would like a Replacement Killer, and he said he'd played me before.... as in, I can't tell you who I am, I've played you before and it might invoke harsh feelings or something. Maybe he didn't realise that he sent it to the whole team, and only meant to send it to one player? |
| 07:41:51 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:42:36 | Widget | wonders if captain_proton is the Replacement Killer. |
| 07:43:02 | captain_proton | i have more than 2 years and no broadband |
| 07:43:18 | Widget | Yes, that was a nice cover. |
| 07:43:51 | captain_proton | suspect what you will |
| 07:44:06 | Widget | Evasive now! |
| 07:46:35 | captain_proton | shrugs innocently |
| 07:46:52 | Widget | At least, I want you to act evasive. |
| 07:47:20 | captain_proton | i'm going to bed |
| 07:47:29 | Widget | authors a new post to "General League Discussion". Replacement Killer Revealed -- Mild Mannered Meqie or Hitman for Hire? |
| 07:47:36 | Widget | Goodnight, captain_proton. |
| 07:47:45 | fontenot | later captain_proton |
| 08:24:04 | bomber | hi |
| 08:24:12 | bomber | hi Pinguin |
| 09:19:49 | Pinguin | Hi bomber... |
| 10:24:31 | strayer | hi... |
| 11:42:31 | Pinguin | Hi bomber ... back again? |
| 11:43:01 | strayer | he is on ducati |
| 11:43:46 | Pinguin | playing during working hours ... bad boy :-) |
| 11:45:02 | strayer | :) |
| 12:09:23 | [TeA] | HiHaU |
| 12:09:30 | [TeA] | 0o0o0 |
| 12:43:31 | bomber | and you Pinguin |
| 12:43:44 | bomber | comp is working ? |
| 12:51:32 | Pinguin | Greetings bomber ... finished your play? |
| 12:52:11 | akira_ | moin |
| 12:52:15 | [TeA] | moin |
| 12:52:20 | [TeA] | grrrrrrr *fier* |
| 12:52:23 | [TeA] | mir ist kalt |
| 12:52:26 | akira_ | haha |
| 12:52:29 | akira_ | beweg dich halt |
| 12:52:37 | [TeA] | was soll ich den machen |
| 12:52:55 | [TeA] | akira du schnuffel |
| 12:52:57 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 12:53:02 | [TeA] | *knuff_knuff* |
| 12:53:37 | akira_ | ? |
| 12:53:45 | [TeA] | bin nur gut drauf |
| 12:58:54 | [TeA] | Valhalla |
| 12:59:00 | [TeA] | akira ? |
| 12:59:04 | akira__ | ja? |
| 12:59:15 | [TeA] | bist du bei ebay? |
| 12:59:39 | akira__ | manchmal |
| 12:59:40 | akira__ | warum? |
| 12:59:43 | [TeA] | wenn ich mich ein loggen will sagt es : " Anmeldung blockiert " |
| 12:59:49 | akira__ | so ein aerger |
| 12:59:57 | akira__ | freitags ist immer system/servicezeit |
| 13:00:00 | akira__ | da gehts net |
| 13:00:04 | [TeA] | und ich kann kein neuen acount eroerffen |
| 13:00:09 | [TeA] | ja aber akia |
| 13:00:11 | [TeA] | akira |
| 13:00:20 | [TeA] | es geht ueber haupt nicht mehr |
| 13:01:34 | [TeA] | Die Anmeldung ist blockiert |
| 13:01:35 | [TeA] | Mitglieder mit blockiertem Anmeldestatus mssen etwaige ausstehende Beschwerden klren, bevor sie fortfahren knnen. Bemhen Sie sich um Klrung und versuchen Sie es noch einmal. |
| 13:02:01 | akira__ | ich bin drinnen |
| 13:02:24 | [TeA] | :( |
| 13:02:30 | [TeA] | Weist du was ich da machen muss ? |
| 13:02:42 | akira__ | keine ahnung, schick denen ne mail |
| 13:04:16 | [TeA] | Registrierung blockiert |
| 13:04:16 | [TeA] | Mitglieder, deren Registrierungsstatus blockiert ist, mssen smtlichen aufgetretenen Beanstandungen nachkommen, bevor sie weitergehen knnen. Bitte erledigen Sie diese Punkte und versuchen Sie es erneut. |
| 13:05:35 | MrCooper-work | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:05:36 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 13:05:48 | akira__ | .) |
| 13:06:35 | [TeA] | :/ |
| 13:07:07 | [TeA] | akira ? |
| 13:07:19 | akira__ | was denn? |
| 13:07:24 | [TeA] | gibs da keine hotline ? Service hotline ! workstation was auch immer |
| 13:07:37 | akira__ | was weiss ich, kuck bei kontakt oder so |
| 13:19:31 | MrCooper-work | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:19:32 | bzbot | Red: 2 players, score: 0 | Green: 2 players, score: 0 | |
| 13:49:03 | [TeA] | ug |
| 14:33:53 | akira__ | moin tim |
| 14:34:23 | akira__ | BZFlag: awake? |
| 14:39:19 | BZFlag | barely. |
| 14:39:34 | akira__ | did you work with pbuffers under glx? |
| 14:55:42 | bryjen | Widget: Hello |
| 14:56:19 | | Widget was last seen on #bzflag 7 hours, 8 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: Goodnight, captain_proton. [Fri Jul 26 08:47:36 2002] |
| 14:56:19 | bryjen | ibot: seen Widget? |
| 15:00:21 | akira__ | moin patty |
| 15:02:05 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:08:09 | patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 15:08:23 | akira__ | fine |
| 15:08:39 | akira__ | but still searching for working glxpbuffer examples :)) |
| 15:10:05 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 15:10:27 | patlabor221 | I'm trying to figure out how to make my texture manager work in linux |
| 15:10:53 | akira__ | hehe :) |
| 15:10:57 | akira__ | what doesnt work? |
| 15:11:43 | patlabor221 | the part that recursivly searched sub dirs and gets all the files in each folder |
| 15:11:50 | akira__ | dirent |
| 15:11:59 | patlabor221 | I don't even know what functions to use for linux |
| 15:12:03 | akira__ | dirent |
| 15:12:15 | patlabor221 | ok but how is it used |
| 15:12:16 | akira__ | with that function you could traverse a directory |
| 15:12:24 | akira__ | wanne see example code? |
| 15:12:29 | patlabor221 | please |
| 15:12:44 | patlabor221 | wana port the mananger? :) |
| 15:12:46 | akira__ | ok, download fox-toolkit.org -> foxlib |
| 15:13:01 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 16 hours, 11 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: harley is handling mail+ftp [Fri Jul 26 00:01:36 2002] |
| 15:13:01 | bryjen | ibot: seen Chestal? |
| 15:13:01 | bryjen | hmmm |
| 15:13:13 | akira__ | unpack it and search in the directory src for dirent -> there should be some code |
| 15:13:20 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:14:16 | patlabor221 | I got my Graphic manager working in both OS's but that's cus I redid it with SDL |
| 15:14:32 | [TeA]__ | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:14:33 | bzbot | nobody (Red):-26 (29 wins, 55 losses). xabbu/init (Green):-87 (90 wins, 177 losses). first try (Red):-5 (105 wins, 110 losses). Jonny (Red):-4 (13 wins, 17 losses). sneak (Red):-6 (2 wins, 8 losses). Chestal (Green):5 (62 wins, 57 losses). MrCooper (Green):-23 (142 wins, 165 losses). Yeti (Green):-65 (161 wins, 226 losses). |
| 15:14:46 | akira__ | patlabor221: http://database.sarang.net/study/c/C/c_a.htm |
| 15:14:48 | akira__ | a.7 |
| 15:15:03 | [TeA]__ | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 15:15:03 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: -3 | Green: 3 players, score: 3 | |
| 15:15:27 | patlabor221 | ahhh very cool |
| 15:16:08 | akira__ | fox is a multiosguiapi .. if i wanne know some portable stuff i am looking in their code :) |
| 15:37:36 | Ruudi | hi |
| 15:38:01 | Chestal | heh Ruudi |
| 15:38:17 | Ruudi | yo how's it goin' haven't seen for a time |
| 15:39:04 | Ruudi | my pc is broke allmost 3 weeks for now and warranty dudes get me rally pissed... |
| 15:39:14 | Chestal | ah, too bad |
| 15:39:49 | Ruudi | 3 weeks and they can't solve the problem once i allready took it home and then came up that it's not possible to install any os on that box so i took it back |
| 15:40:11 | Ruudi | damn they got nothin up there...and i need mac :P |
| 15:43:06 | Chestal | did you follow the matches of the bz team? |
| 15:43:31 | Ruudi | no i should check the web over a long time |
| 15:44:32 | Chestal | your team is doing very good |
| 15:44:42 | Chestal | very strong players |
| 15:44:47 | Ruudi | good i don't mess things up :) |
| 15:44:57 | Chestal | especially zig+sniper are top players IMHO |
| 15:45:17 | Ruudi | nice |
| 15:46:47 | Chestal | we'll have a testmatch in some minutes |
| 15:46:54 | Chestal | 2 Moles+replacement vs. Dancing Debian Daemons |
| 15:47:16 | Ruudi | where ducati? |
| 15:47:34 | Ruudi | i cant play on that box but maybe i can watch dunno jet |
| 15:48:09 | Chestal | yes, ducati 59999 |
| 15:48:15 | Chestal | as soon as akira gets here |
| 15:48:16 | Ruudi | dam they take logic off from pc marcet goes mac only :((((! |
| 15:48:28 | Ruudi | ok i'll find some bz install |
| 15:51:20 | Ruudi | hmm says that can't open list server |
| 15:51:26 | Ruudi | interesting why... |
| 15:52:37 | Chestal | hmmm, haven't tried the lsit server today |
| 15:52:41 | Chestal | game will be upsoon on 59999 |
| 15:53:17 | bryjen | I can get the list OK |
| 15:55:55 | Ruudi_O | dam hanged my pc |
| 15:59:29 | Ruudi | good yelling for bz team... treat me mean, i need reputation! |
| 16:27:02 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 16:27:02 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:33:46 | [TeA] | lla |
| 16:35:15 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:35:15 | bzbot | SGI_O2 (Green):-17 (17 wins, 34 losses). strayer (Red):47 (92 wins, 45 losses). Serious Sam (Green):-1 (10 wins, 11 losses). anaconda (Red):-2 (5 wins, 7 losses). @Metal Magic The Ace Of Aces (Blue):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). MIRELLA (Green):0 (9 wins, 9 losses). csign (Red):-8 (20 wins, 28 losses). lool (Green):-20 (12 wins, 32 losses). bomber (Red):10 (20 wins, 10 losses). |
| 16:35:45 | [TeA] | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:35:46 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: 6 | Green: 4 players, score: -6 | |
| 16:36:17 | [TeA] | bzquery ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 16:36:30 | [TeA] | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 16:36:30 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:43:02 | metal_magic | anyone from the moles or ddd here? |
| 16:43:31 | metal_magic | probably no |
| 17:13:26 | metal_magic | the moles or ddd here? |
| 17:14:13 | [TeA] | lali |
| 17:14:32 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:14:33 | bzbot | [meq] freelancer (Green):-5 (0 wins, 5 losses). Worf (Resurrection) (Green):1 (12 wins, 11 losses). Serious Sam (Green):-35 (87 wins, 122 losses). anaconda (Red):13 (125 wins, 112 losses). harrowed 1 (Red):15 (83 wins, 68 losses). BenniM (Karlsruhe, GER) (Red):-17 (36 wins, 53 losses). damn (Green):-14 (35 wins, 49 losses). @Nicson (Red):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). bomber (Red):45 (141 wins, 96 losses). |
| 17:15:03 | [TeA] | wiwa |
| 17:16:59 | metal_magic | really no moles or ddd here? :-( |
| 17:18:32 | Chestal | here now |
| 17:18:35 | Chestal | metal: why? |
| 17:18:50 | metal_magic | were have you been all the time? |
| 17:18:57 | [TeA] | chestal |
| 17:19:09 | Chestal | metal: we did a real match vs. the Daemons |
| 17:19:16 | metal_magic | where? |
| 17:20:49 | [TeA] | Date Opposing Teams Score |
| 17:20:49 | [TeA] | 2002-07-26 18:22:16 The Moles vs. Dancing Debian Daemons 15 - 0 |
| 17:21:07 | metal_magic | halloooooo, bist du hier, ches? |
| 17:27:00 | | i think bzfrank is sure as soon as the musun has gone it will be great for at least 48 hours ;) |
| 17:27:00 | Gorb | ibot bzfrank |
| 17:27:17 | | bzfrank was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 18 hours, 26 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: later [Thu Jul 25 00:00:25 2002] |
| 17:27:17 | Gorb | ibot seen bzfrank |
| 17:30:27 | metal_magic | hey ches, what the hell are you doing? :-) |
| 17:30:40 | Chestal | metal: ehm? |
| 17:30:56 | metal_magic | i am talking to you and you are doing .... what i know :-) |
| 17:31:02 | metal_magic | i wrote: |
| 17:31:09 | metal_magic | where? |
| 17:31:24 | metal_magic | means: where have you play with ddd |
| 17:31:35 | metal_magic | played |
| 17:32:00 | Chestal | metal: port 5155, same server where you played with us |
| 17:32:11 | metal_magic | ah, shit |
| 17:32:40 | metal_magic | i forgot we were on 5155 and i was waiting on 59999 :-( |
| 17:33:30 | metal_magic | i wanted to become observer, but the server didnt want me to enter |
| 17:43:59 | Chestal | but you're playing well, too, I think you have improved |
| 17:44:17 | metal_magic | yes they are really good |
| 17:44:20 | Chestal | there are several quite strogn teams in the active team list now |
| 17:44:27 | metal_magic | thx |
| 17:44:33 | metal_magic | i know |
| 17:44:34 | Chestal | I would liek to see the mediocre teams play more, though |
| 17:44:37 | metal_magic | froot loops |
| 17:44:42 | metal_magic | for exampl;e |
| 17:44:47 | Chestal | so far in most matches, at least one top team is playing |
| 17:44:53 | Chestal | :-) |
| 17:44:55 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 17:44:57 | metal_magic | hahaha |
| 17:45:12 | metal_magic | we will win next time ;-) |
| 17:45:20 | metal_magic | (don't think so :-)) |
| 17:46:10 | metal_magic | we have another 2 players in the team (zabijak and plchy) |
| 17:46:29 | metal_magic | but i think they are not good anymore :-( |
| 17:46:50 | Chestal | I remember seeing plchy play |
| 17:47:08 | metal_magic | it's a long time, isn't it? |
| 17:47:27 | Chestal | metal: probably several months |
| 17:47:31 | metal_magic | why are equipo hispano 3rd? |
| 17:47:38 | metal_magic | i don't think they are so good |
| 17:47:52 | Chestal | metal: they are quite good, and they have their lag shield :-) |
| 17:48:02 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 17:48:21 | Chestal | they beat the zee brohters twice, the frogs once |
| 17:48:27 | Chestal | and lost against Moles and Loops |
| 17:48:39 | metal_magic | it was terrible lag play against compsoc :-( |
| 17:48:46 | Chestal | but to make the ratings more meaningful, we need more matches between the teams |
| 17:48:54 | Chestal | on their server? |
| 17:49:01 | metal_magic | yeah, do you remember? |
| 17:49:08 | Chestal | yes, although I didn't watch it |
| 17:49:23 | metal_magic | i thought you were |
| 17:49:34 | metal_magic | who was the referee? |
| 17:49:53 | Chestal | not sure, I know that Dinah was the referee in the rematch |
| 17:50:11 | metal_magic | yes, i think you right |
| 17:50:29 | metal_magic | zeebrs is a bit strange team |
| 17:50:42 | metal_magic | they are sometimes very good and sometimes very bad |
| 17:52:55 | metal_magic | that's horrible, i was sleeping only 4 hours and i am dead now :-( |
| 17:53:10 | metal_magic | but have to burn some CDs :-( |
| 17:53:15 | metal_magic | woody :-) |
| 17:54:24 | metal_magic | are you there? :-) |
| 17:54:42 | Chestal | yes, half-asleep and very hungry |
| 17:54:59 | metal_magic | well go and have a dinner, no? |
| 17:55:02 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 17:55:30 | Chestal | metal: if you woul dbe so kind and prepare a meal for me? :-) |
| 17:55:39 | metal_magic | ok |
| 17:55:47 | metal_magic | but you have to come to brno :-) |
| 18:03:51 | metal_magic | ches, are you there? |
| 18:04:03 | Chestal | metal: ye, but about to leave |
| 18:04:17 | metal_magic | well, nothing, it is not important |
| 18:19:53 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 18:19:54 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:19:57 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:19:57 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: 8 | Green: 4 players, score: -8 | |
| 18:20:06 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 18:20:06 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:42:26 | Widget | Hey, captain_proton, freelancer is back, did you know? |
| 18:49:02 | Widget | freelancer: Hi! |
| 18:49:06 | Widget | freelancer: How was your vacation? |
| 18:49:17 | freelancer | great |
| 18:49:35 | freelancer | missed playing though |
| 18:49:38 | Widget | Yah. |
| 18:49:39 | Widget | Where did you go? |
| 18:49:59 | freelancer | cape breton nova scotia (canada) |
| 18:50:05 | Widget | Ah. |
| 18:50:17 | metal_magic | and where are you from? |
| 18:50:18 | captain_proton | heyas |
| 18:50:24 | Widget | captain_proton: hihihi |
| 18:50:25 | freelancer | hi cap |
| 18:50:46 | freelancer | ready to rumble??? |
| 18:50:50 | metal_magic | USA? |
| 18:51:00 | Widget | metal_magic: I think he's an AMerican. |
| 18:51:17 | Widget | freelancer: So, weill meq be playing again soon? |
| 18:51:22 | captain_proton | freelancer: yeah, if we can get tank here, plus another team :) |
| 18:51:26 | freelancer | hope so |
| 18:51:33 | metal_magic | thx widget |
| 18:51:35 | Widget | Just ask, and we'll play you. :) |
| 18:52:15 | Widget | metal_magic: Are you from Brno, Ceska Republika? |
| 18:52:15 | freelancer | had to knock off a little rust but i have my game back |
| 18:52:23 | metal_magic | yeah |
| 18:52:27 | Widget | Does tankenstein check BZMessages? |
| 18:52:45 | freelancer | he does now ,i hope |
| 18:52:57 | metal_magic | how did you investigate the town? |
| 18:53:08 | Widget | Can you come sometime between 1700-2400 UTC, Sunday? |
| 18:53:19 | Widget | Or even better... |
| 18:53:21 | Widget | On Saturday? |
| 18:53:21 | freelancer | yes |
| 18:53:41 | metal_magic | btw how do you know how is Czech Republic in czech? :-) |
| 18:53:45 | captain_proton | 1700 is tricky for me |
| 18:53:45 | freelancer | yes to both ,i'm free all weekend |
| 18:53:54 | Widget | Cool. Then post a reply under the topic "bz vs. anyone" suggesting a time (on the Challenges board) |
| 18:53:56 | captain_proton | anything before about 1900 or 2000 is difficult :) |
| 18:54:03 | Widget | metal_magic: CIA World Factbook. :) |
| 18:54:13 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 18:54:19 | Widget | Hm... what time is 2000 Finnish time? |
| 18:54:26 | freelancer | Captain you pick the time and place and i;ll be there |
| 18:54:27 | Widget | 11:00 PM, I think. |
| 18:54:57 | Widget | jh has stayed up until really early in the morning so that we could play American teams, but I'm not sure if Sniper 50 will do the same. |
| 18:55:03 | metal_magic | and how do you know i am from Brno? |
| 18:55:18 | captain_proton | hang on |
| 18:55:19 | Widget | captain_proton: Are those times for both Saturday and Sunday? |
| 18:55:28 | captain_proton | Widget: yeah, sleep you know |
| 18:55:32 | Widget | metal_magic: http://www.xpenguin.com/plot.php |
| 18:55:42 | Widget | captain_proton: What time is 1700 UTC in Colorado? |
| 18:55:52 | captain_proton | Widget: 10 AM |
| 18:55:54 | Widget | Oh, yes, captain_proton is nocturnal. |
| 18:57:12 | captain_proton | gotta go pick up mah stranded sister (car troubles) |
| 18:57:13 | Widget | captain_proton: OK, go to the board and post times when you're available. |
| 18:57:18 | Widget | captain_proton: If you want to play us, that is. :) |
| 18:57:33 | Widget | captain_proton: Hm... that's not good. |
| 18:57:48 | Widget | captain_proton: Breakdown? |
| 18:58:02 | Widget | Salut, MrCooper. |
| 18:58:04 | captain_proton | Widget: something like that |
| 18:58:17 | metal_magic | http://www.xpenguin.com/plot.php: wow, this is really cool, never heard about it |
| 18:58:17 | Widget | captain_proton: See you, then. |
| 18:59:01 | | hi, MrCooper |
| 18:59:01 | MrCooper | hi |
| 18:59:02 | metal_magic | what's the time in Middletown, New Jersey, United States? :-) |
| 18:59:15 | captain_proton | 4:04 pm |
| 18:59:16 | Widget | metal_magic: I don't live there. |
| 18:59:28 | captain_proton | trots off |
| 18:59:40 | metal_magic | but 12-234-138-157.client.attbi.com (12.234.138.157) is located in Middletown, New Jersey, United States |
| 18:59:41 | Widget | metal_magic: I use X-Chat on a computer in San Jose.. and for some reason it appears as if it's from Middletown New Jersey. |
| 18:59:58 | metal_magic | this is cool too :-) |
| 19:00:25 | freelancer | thats funny x-cchat is what i am using also |
| 19:00:29 | Widget | metal_magic: Try 202.49.115.27 |
| 19:00:39 | Widget | Oooh. IRIX. |
| 19:00:53 | freelancer | ha ha |
| 19:01:14 | Widget | is back (gone 14:20:52) |
| 19:01:22 | metal_magic | x-chat? what else should you use? ;-) |
| 19:01:41 | jzaun | gaim :-) |
| 19:01:45 | Widget | It was slightly difficult to get XDarwin running on my computer. |
| 19:01:51 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 19:01:53 | Widget | So that I could use X-Chat remotely. |
| 19:03:39 | Widget | Czech republic is CET, right? |
| 19:03:46 | metal_magic | CEST now |
| 19:03:55 | Widget | CEST? |
| 19:03:56 | Widget | Was ist? |
| 19:04:08 | metal_magic | central europian summer time |
| 19:04:20 | Widget | Ah. |
| 19:04:43 | doughecka | Widget: Xdarwin? |
| 19:04:46 | Widget | So you are now GMT+2. |
| 19:04:47 | metal_magic | hmm, no other info (finger @12-234-138-157.client.attbi.com gives nothing :-() :-) |
| 19:04:53 | doughecka | as in apple darwin? |
| 19:04:53 | metal_magic | yes we are |
| 19:04:56 | Widget | doughecka: Yes. |
| 19:04:59 | metal_magic | but i hate summer time |
| 19:05:06 | metal_magic | i would cancel it |
| 19:05:08 | doughecka | Xfree install I guess... |
| 19:05:08 | Widget | metal_magic: That's my friend's computer. |
| 19:05:14 | Widget | doughecka: Yes. |
| 19:05:18 | doughecka | cool |
| 19:05:30 | Widget | metal_magic: I secured his permission to use it to IRC last time I visited the US. |
| 19:05:50 | Widget | metal_magic: Try this IP instead: 202.49.115.27 |
| 19:06:36 | metal_magic | new zeland? |
| 19:06:47 | metal_magic | finger: connect: Connection refused |
| 19:06:49 | Widget | Yes, Invercargill. |
| 19:06:54 | Widget | I do not have fingerd running. |
| 19:07:16 | metal_magic | and what is this? i thought u are from states |
| 19:07:22 | Widget | Why? |
| 19:08:04 | metal_magic | cause 12-234-138-157.client.attbi.com is in states too :-) |
| 19:08:29 | Widget | Yes, I run X-Chat on that computer. |
| 19:08:41 | metal_magic | yes i understand |
| 19:09:20 | Widget | I've been using that computer to IRC since I visited there. |
| 19:09:38 | Widget | Some months back. |
| 19:09:41 | metal_magic | wow, ppc :-) |
| 19:09:50 | Widget | Yes, both of us use Macs. :) |
| 19:10:32 | metal_magic | Macs are only rarely here in CR |
| 19:10:49 | doughecka | Widget: where did you get Xdarwin? |
| 19:10:50 | metal_magic | sometimes graphics use them |
| 19:11:07 | doughecka | ack |
| 19:11:11 | Widget | doughecka: Search Google. |
| 19:11:13 | doughecka | xdarwin.org... |
| 19:11:16 | Widget | Hey! We have a whole team. |
| 19:11:22 | Widget | Zig, Sniper 50 and I are here. |
| 19:11:25 | metal_magic | graphic designers i think :-) |
| 19:11:26 | Widget | Any other team ready to play? |
| 19:11:33 | doughecka | not me |
| 19:11:47 | doughecka | Xdarwin runs on intel? |
| 19:12:47 | Widget | doughecka: No. |
| 19:12:50 | Widget | doughecka: Actually. |
| 19:12:51 | doughecka | aha |
| 19:12:55 | Widget | doughecka: Yes, it does. |
| 19:13:00 | metal_magic | why not? |
| 19:13:05 | Widget | doughecka: If you're running Darwin on x86. |
| 19:13:10 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:13:11 | Widget | doughecka: But they don't have x86 binaries. |
| 19:13:15 | doughecka | I have darwin for intel |
| 19:13:25 | Widget | Compile it, then. |
| 19:13:36 | Widget | Is there a complete team here? Anyone? Hello? |
| 19:13:48 | metal_magic | not me |
| 19:13:53 | Widget | Or would anyone like to put together a temporary team to play us in an unofficial match? |
| 19:13:57 | doughecka | not me said the little red hen |
| 19:14:14 | metal_magic | sorry, have to work now, maybe later |
| 19:14:16 | Widget | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:14:16 | bzbot | alibaba (Red):-1 (19 wins, 20 losses). Blah (Red):-12 (8 wins, 20 losses). damn (Red):-4 (6 wins, 10 losses). Sniper 50 (bz) (Red):12 (41 wins, 29 losses). Mayhem (Green):-97 (196 wins, 293 losses). Zig (Green):20 (35 wins, 15 losses). Gimli (Green):-1 (17 wins, 18 losses). csign (Green):-6 (3 wins, 9 losses). |
| 19:14:20 | freelancer | i have to wait for proton and tankenstein |
| 19:14:22 | Widget | OK, see you later, metal_magic. |
| 19:14:27 | metal_magic | cu |
| 19:14:31 | Widget | freelancer: You can play an unofficial match, with two other people. |
| 19:14:48 | Widget | Zig! |
| 19:14:49 | doughecka | ZIG! |
| 19:14:50 | Widget | hihihihihi |
| 19:14:57 | Zig | do we have any opponents? |
| 19:14:58 | doughecka | Widget: wierd... |
| 19:15:03 | Widget | Zig: No other complete teams. |
| 19:15:07 | Zig | aww |
| 19:15:09 | Widget | Zig: We can have an unofficial match. |
| 19:15:29 | Zig | ?? |
| 19:15:36 | Zig | you mean combine other teams |
| 19:15:38 | Widget | Zig: Just play three other people. |
| 19:15:40 | Widget | Zig: Yes. |
| 19:15:53 | Zig | okay |
| 19:16:00 | Zig | Anyone want to play BZ? |
| 19:16:04 | [TeA] | I wanna |
| 19:16:09 | doughecka | Widget: http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnu-darwin/direct_download/x86/ |
| 19:16:12 | freelancer | ok but i have to go to my other station |
| 19:16:24 | Widget | [TeA]: Cool! |
| 19:16:32 | [TeA] | QWhat |
| 19:16:33 | [TeA] | what |
| 19:16:34 | Widget | OK, so we have [TeA] abd freelancer on one team. |
| 19:16:40 | Widget | Let's find someone else. |
| 19:16:42 | [TeA] | ok |
| 19:16:44 | Widget | Go to ducati, and pick someone. |
| 19:16:47 | doughecka | sighs |
| 19:16:49 | Widget | To be the third player on your team. |
| 19:16:54 | Widget | doughecka: You can be the third person, if you want. |
| 19:17:00 | [TeA] | oh no |
| 19:17:02 | [TeA] | lol |
| 19:17:05 | Widget | Hehe. |
| 19:17:07 | metal_magic | i am confused, what is xdarwin? |
| 19:17:08 | Widget | Or not. |
| 19:17:12 | [TeA] | metal |
| 19:17:15 | doughecka | hrm |
| 19:17:17 | metal_magic | yes? |
| 19:17:17 | [TeA] | do you wanna play ? |
| 19:17:19 | Widget | metal_magic: It's a port of XF86 to Darwin. |
| 19:17:21 | doughecka | I guess so |
| 19:17:25 | [TeA] | Whos ganna play ? |
| 19:17:27 | metal_magic | cannot play |
| 19:17:31 | [TeA] | 59999 ? |
| 19:17:33 | Widget | [TeA], freelancer and someone else. |
| 19:17:36 | Widget | Yes, on 59999. |
| 19:17:40 | metal_magic | what is darwin? :-) |
| 19:17:42 | doughecka | I will be on 59999 |
| 19:17:51 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:17:52 | bzbot | alibaba (Red):3 (27 wins, 24 losses). Blah (Red):-15 (11 wins, 26 losses). Sniper 50 (bz) (Red):19 (53 wins, 34 losses). Mayhem (Green):-101 (205 wins, 306 losses). Zig (Green):21 (38 wins, 17 losses). Gimli (Green):-13 (18 wins, 31 losses). csign (Green):-8 (8 wins, 16 losses). damn (Red):4 (5 wins, 1 losses). |
| 19:17:52 | freelancer | give me 10 minutes to get to my playing pc |
| 19:18:01 | [TeA] | Sniper 50 |
| 19:18:03 | Zig | hrm |
| 19:18:10 | Widget | OK, we have a complete team. |
| 19:18:12 | Widget | Let's go tell Sniper. |
| 19:18:15 | Zig | i will |
| 19:18:16 | Zig | 59999? |
| 19:18:17 | doughecka | I am on widgets team |
| 19:18:20 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:18:22 | Widget | doughecka: You can't be. |
| 19:18:23 | [TeA] | 59999 |
| 19:18:28 | [TeA] | cya there |
| 19:18:28 | Widget | doughecka: It's bz vs. three other people. |
| 19:18:32 | doughecka | I beat you to the server |
| 19:18:36 | doughecka | I said yes |
| 19:18:37 | Widget | doughecka: You must be on [TeA] and freelancer's team. |
| 19:18:43 | doughecka | agh |
| 19:18:44 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:18:52 | doughecka | I am on red team |
| 19:19:35 | Zig | .. |
| 19:19:39 | Zig | 59999 please |
| 19:19:40 | Widget | [TeA]: Come along. |
| 19:19:44 | Widget | [TeA]: Why aren't you there!?!? |
| 19:20:00 | metal_magic | he fell asleep ;-) |
| 19:21:41 | Widget | [TeA]: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!?!? |
| 19:21:46 | Widget | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:21:47 | bzbot | alibaba (Red):2 (34 wins, 32 losses). Blah (Red):-22 (14 wins, 36 losses). perfect cell (Green):-1 (3 wins, 4 losses). lool (Red):1 (2 wins, 1 losses). Mayhem (Green):-100 (209 wins, 309 losses). Gimli (Green):-15 (25 wins, 40 losses). csign (Green):-5 (19 wins, 24 losses). damn (Red):5 (14 wins, 9 losses). |
| 19:31:58 | pnm | eventide |
| 19:31:58 | captain_proton | wow |
| 19:32:03 | captain_proton | my sister stalled an automatic |
| 19:32:03 | pnm | wowee |
| 19:34:20 | patlabor221 | you can do that? |
| 19:34:28 | captain_proton | apparently |
| 19:34:35 | patlabor221 | that takes talent |
| 19:34:46 | captain_proton | thats the only explaination me, my dad, or anybody else can come up with for what she describes |
| 19:34:53 | patlabor221 | or a realy crapy car |
| 19:35:15 | patlabor221 | or a banana in the tailpipe |
| 19:35:31 | captain_proton | well, its a good car, and no banannas |
| 19:41:36 | Gorb | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:41:49 | Gorb | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:41:50 | bzbot | Ginku (Green):-3 (4 wins, 7 losses). Blah (Red):-42 (43 wins, 85 losses). IDieOften (Green):0 (1 wins, 1 losses). lool (Red):-2 (41 wins, 43 losses). Mayhem (Green):-113 (247 wins, 360 losses). damn (Red):14 (40 wins, 26 losses). Zwei (Red):13 (31 wins, 18 losses). |
| 19:42:05 | Zig | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 19:42:06 | bzbot | @Zig (Purple):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). Sniper 50 (bz) (Green):3 (35 wins, 32 losses). Widget (Green):-9 (25 wins, 34 losses). [TeA|TrEE] (Red):2 (35 wins, 33 losses). [meq] freelancer (Red):-2 (35 wins, 37 losses). |
| 19:42:32 | doughecka | MUAHAHA |
| 19:42:52 | doughecka | stalled an automatic? |
| 19:43:06 | Zig | doughecka! |
| 19:43:09 | Zig | coward! |
| 19:43:12 | doughecka | erl |
| 19:43:13 | doughecka | erk |
| 19:43:16 | doughecka | I have to go... |
| 19:43:19 | Zig | ;) |
| 19:43:20 | Zig | me too |
| 19:43:21 | Zig | cya |
| 19:43:23 | doughecka | in a few min. |
| 19:45:19 | Widget | Sigh.,..... |
| 19:45:31 | metal_magic | why sigh? |
| 19:45:40 | captain_proton | doughecka: don't laugh. you aren't able to do it |
| 19:46:52 | metal_magic | how was the match? |
| 19:46:58 | Widget | Stalled in the middle. |
| 19:47:03 | [TeA] | Widget |
| 19:47:04 | Widget | doughecka kept blowing himself up. |
| 19:47:10 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 19:47:11 | Widget | Sniper 50 and Zig had to leave. |
| 19:47:13 | Widget | And I have to as well. |
| 19:47:19 | Widget | In a few minutes. |
| 19:47:29 | metal_magic | and the score? |
| 19:47:40 | Widget | 4-0 when we decided to stop. |
| 19:47:41 | Widget | In our favour. |
| 19:47:49 | metal_magic | it was unofficial, wasn't it? |
| 19:48:16 | Widget | Yes. |
| 19:48:18 | Widget | Very much so. |
| 19:48:23 | Widget | I spent most of my time typing. |
| 19:48:32 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 19:48:38 | [TeA] | me aswel |
| 19:48:40 | [TeA] | l |
| 19:48:40 | Widget | When will At Nam play again? |
| 19:48:47 | [TeA] | yeah |
| 19:48:51 | [TeA] | will at nam play |
| 19:49:32 | metal_magic | few moments ago i have posted a message to our team |
| 19:49:43 | metal_magic | i'd like to play on Tuesday |
| 19:50:10 | Widget | Tuesday UTC? |
| 19:50:15 | Widget | That is most likely Wednesday for me. |
| 19:50:39 | metal_magic | Tuesday UTC or CEST :-) |
| 19:52:51 | [TeA] | Wa |
| 19:52:55 | metal_magic | uff finally burned woody :-) |
| 19:53:04 | [TeA] | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:53:05 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: 5 | Green: 4 players, score: -5 | |
| 19:53:43 | freelancer | hey Captain you there |
| 19:54:02 | captain_proton | hey freelancer yes i am |
| 19:54:14 | freelancer | any luck with tank |
| 19:55:13 | metal_magic | btw what is ADSL? |
| 19:55:18 | captain_proton | haven't seen him the last couple days |
| 19:55:21 | metal_magic | some type of dialup in states? |
| 19:55:28 | captain_proton | asynchronous digital subscriber line |
| 19:55:41 | captain_proton | semi-fast 'broadband' - usually around 700k down, 200k up |
| 19:56:25 | freelancer | hope he shows up this weekend |
| 19:57:23 | patlabor221 | 200k up wow must be nice |
| 19:57:30 | patlabor221 | I get 1.5megs down 128k up |
| 19:57:37 | metal_magic | and it is counted per MiBs? |
| 19:57:58 | patlabor221 | bits per sec yeah |
| 19:58:10 | patlabor221 | fiarly low latency so it's nice |
| 19:58:18 | patlabor221 | better then dialup |
| 19:58:25 | metal_magic | no, i think if you pay the money |
| 19:58:39 | metal_magic | per data, not per minutes? |
| 19:58:47 | patlabor221 | flat rate |
| 19:58:50 | patlabor221 | $50 a month |
| 19:58:53 | patlabor221 | allways on |
| 19:58:55 | metal_magic | it is not dialed up, right? |
| 19:58:56 | metal_magic | ok |
| 19:58:58 | metal_magic | thx |
| 19:59:00 | patlabor221 | no not at all |
| 20:19:08 | cryms0n | yeah! |
| 20:25:44 | metal_magic | btw (i know it is ot here but have only 1 question) isn't here anyone who understands a bit more Linux? |
| 20:26:07 | captain_proton | ask away |
| 20:26:10 | Chestal | ichg war ja auch so 3 Wochen enthaltsam |
| 20:26:15 | Chestal | argls |
| 20:26:51 | metal_magic | i have n workstations with 40 MiB disks |
| 20:27:10 | metal_magic | but these workstations need only approx. 4 MiB |
| 20:27:37 | metal_magic | and i'd like to use the space (36 MiB) |
| 20:27:59 | metal_magic | and i'd like to mount it everything on one place |
| 20:28:21 | metal_magic | so i need some distributed fs or something like that |
| 20:28:32 | captain_proton | andrew FS or coda FS |
| 20:29:20 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:29:21 | bzbot | Obiwankenobi (Green):33 (71 wins, 38 losses). Maddog (Red):-34 (18 wins, 52 losses). strayer (Green):32 (57 wins, 25 losses). Arn| (Red):-92 (25 wins, 117 losses). Mayhem (Green):-106 (360 wins, 466 losses). Zwei (Green):52 (126 wins, 74 losses). Ginku (Red):-5 (0 wins, 5 losses). |
| 20:29:36 | metal_magic | OpenAFS is a big mammoth, i tried it, but i have given it up |
| 20:29:54 | metal_magic | coda is not much stable imho |
| 20:29:56 | [TeA] | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:29:57 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: -10 | Green: 4 players, score: 10 | |
| 20:30:04 | captain_proton | those two are really the only ones available |
| 20:30:43 | metal_magic | i thought, that i can give the space to the network with nbd and make RAID on them |
| 20:31:00 | metal_magic | ... but if one station goes down .... :-( |
| 20:31:13 | metal_magic | well i can have it mirrored |
| 20:31:45 | metal_magic | ... but if the station goes down the RAID must synchronize and it would take too long i guess |
| 20:32:25 | metal_magic | but this is probably the best what i can make, so i will try it probably |
| 20:32:37 | metal_magic | ... but it is not what i really wanted :-( |
| 20:33:09 | metal_magic | but thanks anyway |
| 20:34:10 | metal_magic | what do you think about this solution? |
| 20:36:40 | metal_magic | tea, are you here? |
| 20:47:17 | jzaun | Anyone here know what software is used to make tank models? |
| 20:47:45 | patlabor221 | in what? 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 20:47:56 | jzaun | 1.8 |
| 20:48:03 | patlabor221 | there are no tools yet |
| 20:48:14 | patlabor221 | it's not a standard format |
| 20:48:33 | patlabor221 | uless cap has worked on his model viewer to make it import |
| 20:49:11 | jzaun | hmm.... |
| 20:49:40 | patlabor221 | it's all imbeded in XML, you could do it by hand |
| 20:50:00 | patlabor221 | proalby woultn't be to bad to convert an OBJ file to it |
| 20:50:09 | jzaun | Is there a document explaining the format? |
| 20:50:14 | jzaun | OBJ? |
| 20:50:17 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:50:23 | patlabor221 | wavefront format |
| 20:50:28 | patlabor221 | it's nice and text based |
| 20:50:32 | jzaun | ok |
| 20:50:38 | patlabor221 | what are you modeling in? |
| 20:51:05 | jzaun | I have some VRML files, but no modeling software installed, was wondering what to get |
| 20:51:43 | patlabor221 | belnder on linux will read me |
| 20:51:53 | patlabor221 | opps meeetings call me back :( |
| 20:53:42 | patlabor221 | or not |
| 20:53:50 | jzaun | heh :-) |
| 20:53:56 | patlabor221 | I wasn't able to find any modelers on linux I liked |
| 20:54:06 | patlabor221 | milkshape on Windows is good |
| 20:54:20 | jzaun | I'll give Blender a shot |
| 20:54:32 | patlabor221 | the interface is horible |
| 20:54:45 | patlabor221 | and it only seems to do it's own format and VRML |
| 20:55:07 | captain_proton | i kind of like truespace's modeller |
| 20:55:12 | patlabor221 | that one was nice |
| 20:55:24 | patlabor221 | but I'm more partal to lightwave |
| 20:55:32 | captain_proton | the '3d interface' is soooo cool |
| 20:55:36 | jzaun | Any plans for a converter from know formats to bzg? |
| 20:55:55 | captain_proton | there'd better be |
| 20:56:01 | patlabor221 | I'd make one once the formats have settled down |
| 20:56:02 | captain_proton | i'm not modelling a flyswatter by hand :) |
| 20:56:10 | captain_proton | patlabor221: the geometry stuff has settled |
| 20:56:36 | patlabor221 | are the colison regions stored in the same XML as the geo? |
| 20:57:02 | captain_proton | obstacles don't even really exist yet |
| 20:57:07 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:57:25 | captain_proton | besides, determining obstacle shape from most model formats would be a REAL pain |
| 20:57:26 | patlabor221 | I could add BZXML to my model lib, that would allow conversions |
| 20:57:42 | captain_proton | since obstacles are CSG and geometry are not |
| 20:57:45 | patlabor221 | they way you guys are doing it, I agree it would be a pain |
| 20:58:38 | patlabor221 | I'll look at the XML format this weekend |
| 20:58:55 | patlabor221 | trying to get my texture manager working in linux now |
| 20:59:33 | PerfectCell | just try ing to get a good look with openGL compared to a static 3d max rendering. Its hard :(.Look at:http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/glvsmax.htm |
| 21:00:36 | patlabor221 | well sure, max's renderer is completly difrent |
| 21:00:48 | captain_proton | PerfectCell: well, some of that is fixable |
| 21:00:49 | patlabor221 | it's an optimises software renderrer |
| 21:01:05 | patlabor221 | you could make GL do that, it just takes work, |
| 21:01:12 | PerfectCell | and time |
| 21:01:26 | patlabor221 | not if you have der pimp video card |
| 21:01:36 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ;) |
| 21:02:00 | PerfectCell | well, never heard of such a card |
| 21:02:40 | captain_proton | adding shadows would be the first thing i'd do |
| 21:02:41 | PerfectCell | guess its 1000$ |
| 21:03:33 | PerfectCell | yes, i dont know if i should make the shadows static or moveable during sun movement |
| 21:04:04 | PerfectCell | but i think i start with static shadows, since i dont know right now how to do them |
| 21:04:11 | PerfectCell | anyway |
| 21:10:45 | PerfectCell | i thing the most elaborately implementation task for a 3d tank battle game is the collision detection. So i try to understand that first. need to look at bzflag new collision test again and again and again. |
| 21:11:51 | captain_proton | there's no big implementation differences between static and dynamic |
| 21:12:04 | captain_proton | at least if you're using the stencil buffer to calculate the shadows |
| 21:13:31 | PerfectCell | yes k, then render the polygons from light perspective, i quess, into stencil, but i have to take a look at some tutorials covering that topic |
| 21:24:31 | PerfectCell | just read the complete thesis: An Efficient Collision Detection Algorithm for Polytopes in Virtual Environment from Chung Tat Leung, the whole day, and it seems to be a really nice algorithm, using spatial partitioning to eliminate non-interference objects, sweep and prune technique for quick test on AABBoxes, Then a seperating vector algo is done if AABB overlap that tryes to find a seperating plane, and at last if no seperating plane is |
| 21:25:19 | PerfectCell | found the iproved Gilbet's algo is used to compute the closest pair of points in the precending time frame |
| 21:25:56 | PerfectCell | but its from 1996 and i dont know if there is not an improvement, or if its still the best |
| 21:29:13 | PerfectCell | as i saw the bzflag region algo is somehow the same |
| 21:29:13 | cryms0n | i thought obb was better than aabb |
| 21:29:45 | cryms0n | because although it costs more to do a comparison, there are much less comparisons because obbs give a tighter fit |
| 21:30:02 | PerfectCell | yes it is cause objects are enclosed more compact |
| 21:30:36 | cryms0n | i remember mechwarrior 2 used bounding spheres |
| 21:30:46 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 21:30:52 | cryms0n | they had a "cheat code" where you could type "michelin man" and see the boundings |
| 21:30:59 | PerfectCell | and how was it |
| 21:31:04 | PerfectCell | i never played it |
| 21:31:17 | cryms0n | it was pretty good, could blow off limbs and shit |
| 21:31:26 | cryms0n | i just wanted to share! |
| 21:31:51 | PerfectCell | so there where a lot of bounding spheres |
| 21:31:54 | cryms0n | i never had the blessing of getting access to their source code and replace their sphere system with an obb system |
| 21:31:57 | cryms0n | yes |
| 21:34:14 | PerfectCell | but i f u want physikally correct collision detection, you have to take into count the whole movement in dt of the moving object |
| 21:34:55 | PerfectCell | and thats very hard when u allow angular velocity |
| 21:36:28 | PerfectCell | cause in bzflag it could happen that there is no collison reported, even though there would have been a physical collison during [t,t+dt] |
| 21:37:58 | PerfectCell | but its sufficient for the game |
| 21:40:41 | patlabor221 | Pimp card = $350 us |
| 21:40:44 | patlabor221 | GF4 |
| 21:41:12 | PerfectCell | i know but i alwas buy the mx version , its often much cheaper |
| 21:41:19 | patlabor221 | MX is ass |
| 21:41:22 | captain_proton | mx = crippled |
| 21:41:23 | patlabor221 | the MX is not the same |
| 21:41:25 | patlabor221 | big time |
| 21:41:27 | patlabor221 | no shaders |
| 21:41:40 | PerfectCell | hm,k |
| 21:41:47 | doughecka | patlabor221: is this a goo card? it is cheaper and sounds pretty good, http://www.ussa.com/ussaonline/product.asp?dept%5Fid=10606&pf%5Fid=100%2D103%2D1001738 |
| 21:41:47 | doughecka | http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q2/000629/index.html |
| 21:41:50 | patlabor221 | MX = no Pimp |
| 21:42:10 | PerfectCell | who wants to be a pimp? |
| 21:42:12 | patlabor221 | heck you can get a GF 3 for around $150 us |
| 21:42:17 | patlabor221 | that's better then an MX |
| 21:42:23 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:42:26 | doughecka | greetings patlabor221 |
| 21:43:04 | patlabor221 | I don't see anything in that scene that could not be done real time, wiht proper coding, in any API |
| 21:43:12 | patlabor221 | hey doug |
| 21:43:16 | PerfectCell | really |
| 21:43:25 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:43:26 | PerfectCell | f that sounds good |
| 21:43:32 | patlabor221 | it's just AA and shadows |
| 21:43:40 | patlabor221 | and maybe some anisatropic filtering |
| 21:43:54 | patlabor221 | and decent lighting |
| 21:44:04 | PerfectCell | if i had not spent so much money for the champion juicer i would by the Geforce 3 card |
| 21:44:10 | captain_proton | and a skybox |
| 21:44:20 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:44:29 | PerfectCell | k skybox is easy |
| 21:44:40 | patlabor221 | a pixel shader would give you the surface properties |
| 21:45:16 | patlabor221 | that dosn't even look like a skybox in the max image, it looks just like a BG image |
| 21:45:30 | captain_proton | yeah, true |
| 21:45:34 | PerfectCell | what wa sjust the diff again between vertex and pixel shader |
| 21:45:36 | captain_proton | but skyboxes are better |
| 21:45:41 | patlabor221 | sort your transperancy's and you would get the teleporter to look right |
| 21:45:41 | PerfectCell | its a background image |
| 21:45:50 | patlabor221 | way better |
| 21:45:56 | captain_proton | pixel shaders work per pixel, vertex shaders work per vertex |
| 21:46:07 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:46:19 | patlabor221 | looks like your textures are higher res in the max version too |
| 21:46:34 | PerfectCell | no they are the same res |
| 21:46:36 | captain_proton | vertex shaders work closer to the beginning of the pipeline than pixel shaders too |
| 21:47:04 | patlabor221 | must just be crap interpolation in the gl version |
| 21:47:09 | PerfectCell | expect the non brick textures |
| 21:47:30 | PerfectCell | except |
| 21:48:15 | captain_proton | needs filtering on the ground texture |
| 21:48:56 | | hi, jpablo |
| 21:48:56 | jpablo | hi |
| 21:48:57 | PerfectCell | my mx card does trilinear filtering i quess, but have to enable that |
| 21:49:03 | jpablo | hey ibot |
| 21:49:38 | patlabor221 | all cards to triliniar |
| 21:49:48 | patlabor221 | you want anisotropic |
| 21:49:53 | patlabor221 | but that takes an extenion |
| 21:50:05 | PerfectCell | no my voodoo card does not :) |
| 21:50:14 | captain_proton | we really need to add anisotropic filtering to bz |
| 21:50:25 | patlabor221 | what voodo |
| 21:50:30 | PerfectCell | is ansifiltering such an improvement |
| 21:50:37 | captain_proton | yes |
| 21:50:44 | patlabor221 | it looks nice |
| 21:50:49 | patlabor221 | but not all hardware suports it |
| 21:51:15 | captain_proton | so you need to test the extension, etc |
| 21:51:26 | PerfectCell | someone just saw the grat antialiasing of n64 console from nintendo |
| 21:52:25 | patlabor221 | you mean the "lets blur the hell out of the immage so that you cna't see that i sucks" method? |
| 21:52:36 | PerfectCell | yes, exactly |
| 21:52:41 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 21:52:49 | doughecka | hha |
| 21:52:58 | patlabor221 | AA isn't that important in fast games |
| 21:53:01 | patlabor221 | it's nice and all |
| 21:53:07 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:53:10 | patlabor221 | but i'd rather not half my framerate |
| 21:53:49 | captain_proton | best to use it only when making screenshots ;) |
| 21:53:58 | PerfectCell | u are right moving bzflag looks better then snapshots |
| 21:54:29 | PerfectCell | if u dont look to much on the textures |
| 21:54:49 | doughecka | olthsawh ertshhlhthntottnstnhd eheshset |
| 21:55:07 | | bygufnju regfuuyuguagbggafgauq rurfufrg |
| 21:55:07 | PerfectCell | ibot rot13 olthsawh ertshhlhthntottnstnhd eheshset |
| 21:55:14 | doughecka | sorry |
| 21:55:17 | doughecka | its not rot13 |
| 21:55:18 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:55:21 | PerfectCell | k |
| 21:56:19 | doughecka | 1650816032,2037347616,1667329652,544367969,1679848552,1769152611,1701604352 |
| 21:56:28 | doughecka | ha, try to crack the PerfectCell |
| 21:56:36 | doughecka | the/that |
| 21:57:19 | PerfectCell | no clue, sorry |
| 21:58:02 | doughecka | gEs?vaJcO٭?d?ȨOdܼ\gGHC?hde[CJ?zeC??VE |
| 21:58:02 | PerfectCell | ibot help |
| 21:58:30 | doughecka | patlabor221: is the Geforce2 MX200 a good card? |
| 21:58:38 | doughecka | for just gaming? |
| 21:58:48 | doughecka | not for rendering things like cell is... |
| 21:58:54 | captain_proton | any MX card is no good |
| 21:59:09 | captain_proton | gf2 plain (or even ultra) is cheap now |
| 21:59:14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:59:23 | doughecka | MX != plain? |
| 21:59:27 | captain_proton | no |
| 21:59:29 | PerfectCell | i have gforce 2 mx400 and bzflag looks good on it |
| 21:59:30 | | worse is, like, that it currently breaks "ipkg upgrade" and that "ipkg remove" doesn't clean it out like it should. This is in gnats as PR#16 |
| 21:59:30 | doughecka | worse? |
| 21:59:33 | captain_proton | mx = crippled |
| 21:59:39 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:59:46 | doughecka | this is a MX200 |
| 21:59:54 | doughecka | is that too bad? |
| 21:59:58 | doughecka | hrm |
| 22:00:01 | captain_proton | they take out features, and slow it down, selling it cheaply |
| 22:00:14 | doughecka | oh, but all I want is cheap |
| 22:00:21 | doughecka | like $30 |
| 22:00:22 | doughecka | http://www.ussa.com/ussaonline/product.asp?dept%5Fid=10606&pf%5Fid=100%2D103%2D1001738 |
| 22:00:34 | captain_proton | yeah, but a real gf2 card won't cost you much more, and you'll get 2x the framerate |
| 22:00:39 | PerfectCell | but i get a 3dwinmark200 only 2500 points, and would get about 90000 with a gforce4 |
| 22:00:47 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:00:53 | doughecka | how much is a gf2 carD? |
| 22:00:59 | PerfectCell | 3dwinmark2001 |
| 22:01:00 | captain_proton | doughecka: pricewatch.com |
| 22:01:07 | doughecka | uhuh |
| 22:01:50 | doughecka | gf pro, ultra,TI, MX400, MX200, GTS? |
| 22:01:53 | doughecka | gosh |
| 22:02:01 | PerfectCell | just compare athlon 2000XP = 120$ Gefors4=350$ |
| 22:02:03 | doughecka | which one is cheap? |
| 22:02:05 | PerfectCell | not good |
| 22:02:07 | doughecka | PerfectCell: hrm |
| 22:02:24 | doughecka | captain_proton: PCI is expensive... |
| 22:02:41 | doughecka | I need a PCI card so I can use it in my current computer |
| 22:02:49 | doughecka | but PCI is a rare kind of card... |
| 22:04:07 | PerfectCell | quess what i put 100.000 polygons into agp memory with directx and it renders at 30fpps and 1% processor performance, just wanted to do the same with a nvidia gl extension, but did not work |
| 22:04:26 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:05:42 | | a guy with a relatively boring name |
| 22:05:42 | doughecka | patlabor221? |
| 22:05:51 | | Sorry, doughecka, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 22:05:51 | doughecka | ibot shutup |
| 22:06:03 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 22:06:46 | doughecka | patlabor221: but will that card run p2501 and bzflag games better than intel 810? does it have support for opengl? |
| 22:06:52 | doughecka | erk |
| 22:06:59 | PerfectCell | doughecka u have the best rememberable name |
| 22:07:07 | doughecka | stupid question about intel 810 |
| 22:07:23 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:07:45 | PerfectCell | bzdouglas |
| 22:07:59 | bzdoug | captain_proton: is there any cheap PCI cards around? |
| 22:08:06 | bzdoug | all I can see is AGP |
| 22:08:08 | bzdoug | :( |
| 22:08:23 | captain_proton | bzdoug: why would i know? i haven't shopped for PCI in a LONG time |
| 22:08:29 | bzdoug | bah |
| 22:08:45 | PerfectCell | i can sell u my voodoo card |
| 22:08:53 | bzdoug | how much? |
| 22:09:08 | bzdoug | must be cheaper than 5 bucks... |
| 22:09:09 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:09:11 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:09:13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:09:16 | PerfectCell | hm, the shipping would be enough i quess |
| 22:09:49 | bzdoug | ether I upgrade my 333 Mhz computer with 786 megs of ram and a AGP slot to a 600 mhz computer, or I get a pci card |
| 22:10:03 | bzdoug | oh yea, and buy a drive for it too |
| 22:10:14 | bzdoug | like a 200 gig one.. |
| 22:10:15 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:10:32 | bzdoug | PerfectCell: what is your shipping costs from your place? |
| 22:10:47 | PerfectCell | Dont know, im in germany |
| 22:10:51 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:10:54 | bzdoug | zip code or anyhting? |
| 22:11:01 | PerfectCell | 81737 |
| 22:11:05 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:11:15 | bzdoug | wait? |
| 22:11:17 | bzdoug | erk |
| 22:11:28 | bzdoug | weight? |
| 22:11:37 | PerfectCell | oh |
| 22:11:43 | PerfectCell | its, wait |
| 22:12:31 | patlabor221 | wow I walk awway for 5 min and look at all you guys type |
| 22:12:34 | bzdoug | germany? |
| 22:12:47 | PerfectCell | the card only, is about 500 gramm |
| 22:12:51 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 22:13:00 | patlabor221 | doug it does look like we will be geting our merchant accounts so I may be able to sell you a cheap system |
| 22:13:05 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 22:13:14 | bzdoug | patlabor221: I have a GOOD computer here |
| 22:13:20 | bzdoug | 786 megs of ram |
| 22:13:27 | patlabor221 | but it's a 333 |
| 22:13:29 | | PerfectCell: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 22:13:29 | PerfectCell | ibot weather 81737 |
| 22:13:33 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:13:42 | patlabor221 | j00 n33d sp33d |
| 22:13:50 | patlabor221 | that's not good, it's crap |
| 22:13:53 | bzdoug | patlabor221: all I need is a 600 mhz chip and a drive |
| 22:14:00 | patlabor221 | 600 is still crap |
| 22:14:00 | bzdoug | and I will be happy |
| 22:14:04 | patlabor221 | still PC100 |
| 22:14:08 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:14:19 | bzdoug | overclock a PIII 650 chip |
| 22:14:20 | bzdoug | ? |
| 22:14:21 | patlabor221 | what video card you putin in there |
| 22:14:29 | bzdoug | 650 is hte max the motherboard can do |
| 22:14:34 | patlabor221 | the 650's don't run so well |
| 22:14:37 | bzdoug | patlabor221: nothing in there yet |
| 22:14:43 | patlabor221 | and is your ram PC133 or pc100? |
| 22:14:47 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:14:57 | PerfectCell | o friend of me still uses P133, could not run xml spy |
| 22:15:00 | PerfectCell | hehe |
| 22:15:27 | bzdoug | I dunno, but its 3 big fat chips, maxed out... |
| 22:15:28 | patlabor221 | 333 you must be slot 1 still, those things run mega hot |
| 22:15:33 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:15:35 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:15:37 | bzdoug | rats |
| 22:15:44 | bzdoug | so? I dont mind 600 mhz |
| 22:15:49 | patlabor221 | you just have 3 256 meg dimms |
| 22:15:49 | bzdoug | its fast for me |
| 22:15:54 | bzdoug | patlabor221: yup |
| 22:16:10 | bzdoug | anyway, all I need a card for is and a new chip |
| 22:16:11 | patlabor221 | slot 1's are harder to find now adays |
| 22:16:13 | bzdoug | is/it |
| 22:16:23 | bzdoug | ebay found some for me a week ago |
| 22:16:28 | bzdoug | 60 bucks |
| 22:16:31 | bzdoug | hrm |
| 22:16:39 | patlabor221 | what what mobo you have? |
| 22:16:42 | bzdoug | and how much are you selling computers for patlabor221? |
| 22:16:45 | patlabor221 | what chipset |
| 22:16:56 | patlabor221 | you sure it'll run a PIII |
| 22:16:59 | bzdoug | patlabor221: gigabyte motherboard, and a intel something chip |
| 22:17:10 | bzdoug | it will run PIII 650 max chip |
| 22:17:12 | patlabor221 | what chip that's the important thing |
| 22:17:16 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:17:18 | bzdoug | PIII |
| 22:17:19 | patlabor221 | 440bx? |
| 22:17:23 | bzdoug | um |
| 22:17:25 | patlabor221 | no the mobo chip |
| 22:17:26 | bzdoug | that sounds right |
| 22:17:31 | patlabor221 | it's important |
| 22:17:38 | bzdoug | mobo chip is a 440bz I think |
| 22:17:40 | patlabor221 | we don't have exact prices yset |
| 22:17:41 | bzdoug | er |
| 22:17:43 | bzdoug | BX |
| 22:17:44 | patlabor221 | bz |
| 22:17:47 | bzdoug | I looked it up once |
| 22:17:48 | patlabor221 | ok bz |
| 22:17:54 | bzdoug | it will support PIII |
| 22:17:58 | patlabor221 | but they will be under 300 |
| 22:18:03 | patlabor221 | yes a bx will |
| 22:18:08 | bzdoug | under... |
| 22:18:11 | patlabor221 | but it won't run PC133 |
| 22:18:11 | bzdoug | 300 bucks? |
| 22:18:15 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:18:17 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:18:20 | patlabor221 | maybe less |
| 22:18:24 | bzdoug | PerfectCell: you in germany? |
| 22:18:25 | PerfectCell | hey why not buy an elitegroupmotherboard+ amd athlon xp 1600+ for 200$ |
| 22:18:27 | patlabor221 | for a 1.2 ghz system |
| 22:18:34 | BZFrank | hi |
| 22:18:35 | PerfectCell | yes im in germany |
| 22:18:50 | bzdoug | ok, and weight in pounds? |
| 22:18:57 | bzdoug | the calc wont support grams |
| 22:18:58 | bzdoug | :( |
| 22:18:58 | patlabor221 | we have 1800+'s here with mbo for about $160 |
| 22:18:59 | PerfectCell | what are pounds |
| 22:19:02 | BZFrank | munich I belive from your webpage? |
| 22:19:10 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 22:19:13 | bzdoug | er, ounces |
| 22:19:20 | captain_proton | BZFrank: yo |
| 22:19:21 | bzdoug | pounds, etc... |
| 22:19:24 | bzdoug | BZFrank: HI |
| 22:19:38 | patlabor221 | 1600+ with a fan goes fro about 117 doug |
| 22:19:44 | patlabor221 | and a mobo |
| 22:19:47 | bzdoug | wow |
| 22:19:48 | patlabor221 | hey frank |
| 22:19:52 | PerfectCell | pounds what for 1 pound = 1,5 euro i guess |
| 22:19:57 | BZFrank | hey pat |
| 22:19:58 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:20:02 | Widget | PerfectCell: No, he means the measure. |
| 22:20:04 | bzdoug | shipping = $18.25 |
| 22:20:09 | Widget | PerfectCell: 2.2 pounds per kilogram, right? |
| 22:20:10 | BZFrank | fixed that demomode crasher |
| 22:20:11 | bzdoug | for <5 pounds |
| 22:20:18 | patlabor221 | http://www.econopc.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?sku=MCSHXP1600&sc=pr |
| 22:20:20 | bzdoug | so, no, too much for shiiping |
| 22:20:22 | PerfectCell | pat: we have 1800+'s here with mbo for about $160, sound really cheap |
| 22:20:29 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:20:35 | bzdoug | I would need a case... |
| 22:20:37 | patlabor221 | no not realy |
| 22:20:49 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 22:21:03 | bzdoug | the one I have allready is a bad case.. |
| 22:21:04 | bzdoug | cheap |
| 22:21:05 | PerfectCell | wow 106$ |
| 22:21:11 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:21:14 | bzdoug | WOW! |
| 22:21:15 | patlabor221 | 200 is way high |
| 22:21:25 | bzdoug | patlabor221: now I need the money... |
| 22:21:26 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:21:26 | | PerfectCell: huh? |
| 22:21:26 | PerfectCell | ibot currency england |
| 22:21:27 | patlabor221 | and that's a good mobo |
| 22:21:36 | patlabor221 | you would have to get new ram tho doug |
| 22:21:42 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:21:44 | patlabor221 | for that system |
| 22:21:48 | bzdoug | well, I want to use my ram... |
| 22:21:52 | bzdoug | I have TONS of ram here |
| 22:21:59 | BZFrank | these shuttle SS51G are NICE - http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1661 |
| 22:22:02 | bzdoug | like a bag of ram |
| 22:22:03 | patlabor221 | then you want a 1.3 ghx durron |
| 22:22:09 | bzdoug | fine with me |
| 22:22:12 | bzdoug | is it cheaper? |
| 22:22:15 | patlabor221 | very |
| 22:22:18 | Widget | I think 1 EUR = 0.63 GBP. |
| 22:22:21 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:22:29 | bzdoug | I have 786 megs of ram |
| 22:22:36 | Widget | And thus, 1 GBP = 1.59 EUR |
| 22:22:39 | bzdoug | I aint tossing it out |
| 22:22:44 | bzdoug | hi BZFrank |
| 22:22:45 | bzdoug | erk |
| 22:22:47 | patlabor221 | http://www.accubyte.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?sku=mbc-81013D&sc=pi |
| 22:22:50 | bzdoug | hi BZFlag |
| 22:22:52 | Widget | hihihi, BZFlag. |
| 22:22:59 | PerfectCell | hey usa is really cheap on pc stuff |
| 22:23:05 | bzdoug | japan is too |
| 22:23:14 | patlabor221 | well we do design most of it |
| 22:23:15 | Widget | Taiwan is the cheapest. :) |
| 22:23:17 | BZFrank | 1 euro = 0.629185 GBP as of today |
| 22:23:17 | captain_proton | not really |
| 22:23:19 | bzdoug | 95 bucks???? |
| 22:23:23 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 22:23:23 | captain_proton | japan is fairly expensive |
| 22:23:24 | bzdoug | thats it??? |
| 22:23:26 | bzdoug | wow |
| 22:23:33 | captain_proton | but they have the sexiest stuff |
| 22:23:36 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:23:41 | patlabor221 | it's not expensive |
| 22:23:42 | PerfectCell | japan is expensive |
| 22:23:43 | bzdoug | its a good mobo? |
| 22:24:00 | Widget | BZFrank: Yah, I said 0.63 |
| 22:24:01 | patlabor221 | define good? |
| 22:24:06 | bzdoug | um |
| 22:24:14 | bzdoug | better than what I have? |
| 22:24:15 | patlabor221 | will it run all processors in the future.. no |
| 22:24:18 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:24:23 | patlabor221 | yes it's better then waht you have |
| 22:24:31 | bzdoug | patlabor221: if I get this, I wont be upgrading in the next 2 years |
| 22:24:34 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:24:38 | patlabor221 | but since you don't want to up ram, then you are kind of deadending yourself |
| 22:24:38 | bzdoug | rats |
| 22:24:49 | bzdoug | only has 2 ram slots |
| 22:24:51 | bzdoug | :( |
| 22:24:55 | patlabor221 | PC100 is dead |
| 22:24:56 | BZFrank | get a system now, before the fritz chip goes inside ;) |
| 22:24:59 | bzdoug | only 512 of ram |
| 22:25:13 | bzdoug | I have nice, fast ram here |
| 22:25:16 | Widget | BZFrank: Fritz chip? |
| 22:25:17 | PerfectCell | i ahve only 256 |
| 22:25:20 | bzdoug | it will work in it... |
| 22:25:32 | patlabor221 | doug: onn you only have small dimms |
| 22:25:38 | bzdoug | small? |
| 22:25:41 | patlabor221 | small |
| 22:25:44 | BZFrank | widget: the new law hollywood like to press through congress |
| 22:25:45 | bzdoug | small... |
| 22:25:55 | patlabor221 | as in < 512 |
| 22:25:59 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:26:01 | bzdoug | so? |
| 22:26:05 | BZFrank | widget: every digital device will get a little police chip inside |
| 22:26:07 | bzdoug | that should do it... |
| 22:26:12 | captain_proton | who the hell elected that senator? |
| 22:26:14 | Widget | BZFrank: Ah... interesting. |
| 22:26:15 | patlabor221 | most system wiht PC100 only have 2 slots |
| 22:26:22 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:26:24 | Widget | captain_proton: What senator? |
| 22:26:27 | patlabor221 | the town next to mine elected him |
| 22:26:33 | captain_proton | fritz hollingsworth or whatever his name is |
| 22:26:35 | Widget | Caligula the Lesser. |
| 22:26:37 | bzdoug | 512 megs of ram = much more than I have |
| 22:26:38 | BZFrank | hollins or something |
| 22:26:47 | bzdoug | PC CHIPS 810LM ATHLON SOCKET-A BOARD W/VIDEO/AUDIO & LAN |
| 22:26:49 | patlabor221 | beb |
| 22:26:55 | bzdoug | what is hte video chip in it? |
| 22:27:04 | captain_proton | pushing hard for technologies that do big things for business and rape the consumer |
| 22:27:30 | bzdoug | patlabor221: I think this mobo might fit in my case |
| 22:27:39 | bzdoug | it has only 2 pci + AGP |
| 22:27:48 | Widget | captain_proton: So... his constituents agree with this? |
| 22:27:55 | bzdoug | mine has 3 PCI |
| 22:28:08 | captain_proton | Widget: most people (sadly) don't seem to care |
| 22:28:09 | BZFlag | cool. kendrick sent me the wirehed mag review from this months issue! |
| 22:28:21 | captain_proton | Widget: they use their computers for email and surfing the web - it won't affect them |
| 22:28:31 | bzdoug | BZFlag: where are you located? |
| 22:28:32 | captain_proton | Widget: it'll do Very Bad Things[tm] for open-source |
| 22:28:42 | captain_proton | wirehed? |
| 22:28:43 | BZFlag | http://www.wirehedmag.com/ <- lame web site, and the article is not online yet. |
| 22:28:45 | Widget | captain_proton: Get them all to play BZFlag. |
| 22:28:51 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:28:57 | Widget | captain_proton: And then when things start to threaten open source, they will care. |
| 22:29:00 | captain_proton | BZFlag: forward the article? |
| 22:29:01 | BZFlag | did not go to india today. visa/passport issues. |
| 22:29:08 | BZFlag | captain_proton: uploading now... |
| 22:29:17 | bzdoug | BZFlag: I know how you feel... |
| 22:29:35 | captain_proton | http://advertising.bzflag.org/ :) |
| 22:29:38 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:30:24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: does this mean we can put up the new web site? (bwahaha) |
| 22:30:24 | bzdoug | patlabor221: you still here? |
| 22:30:24 | Widget | captain_proton: Find some philanthropist to run a series of ads on prime time television. |
| 22:30:29 | BZFrank | locading |
| 22:30:41 | BZFrank | loading |
| 22:30:46 | BZFrank | slow webpage |
| 22:30:47 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/images/bzflag_wirehed_jul2002.png |
| 22:31:16 | BZFlag | captain_proton: might be leaving tomorrow, but I hope to put it off till aug 11th or so. |
| 22:31:19 | bzdoug | BZFlag cool |
| 22:31:46 | Widget | Ooo, did badger write the article? |
| 22:32:00 | BZFrank | nice :) |
| 22:32:14 | BZFrank | but will attract lots of newbies again ;) |
| 22:32:56 | BZFlag | BZFrank: agreed. ah well. the mains we suffer. |
| 22:33:00 | BZFlag | er pains. |
| 22:33:15 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:34:06 | BZFrank | pat: still here? |
| 22:34:53 | BZFrank | ok, back to my tai soup |
| 22:41:37 | patlabor221 | I am here now |
| 22:42:16 | patlabor221 | doug: eww I didn't see that it had video on it |
| 22:42:55 | patlabor221 | doug: ick, I know the CPU us about 35, and a decent mbo is about 40, then 10 for a fan then you can get a GF2mx fro about $50 |
| 22:44:30 | Linuxgeek | question: I'm using bz on linux and it gets an error /dev/dsp (16) when it opens and there is of course no sound. All other apps and games on the system access /dev/dsp ok. What is error 16? |
| 22:44:35 | BZFrank | pat: new version is on the way, should resolve the issues |
| 22:45:47 | patlabor221 | frankL great, I'm having problems geting the radion to boot in a system, but I'll work more on it this weekend |
| 22:46:14 | BZFrank | np, thanks for any test! :) |
| 22:51:42 | Linuxgeek | any ideas what that error code is specifically? |
| 22:53:48 | patlabor221 | I can't even get sound to work on linux ether |
| 22:54:08 | patlabor221 | Cap: wasn't there some issue with sound on some card |
| 22:54:11 | patlabor221 | like yours |
| 22:58:50 | patlabor221 | is off to play a geeky card game |
| 23:31:46 | bzdoug | lo bryjen |
| 23:31:53 | bryjen | hi |
| 23:32:20 | bzdoug | ack |
