| 01:09:50 | jzaun | captain_proton: you get it so that other models can be loaded into the world? :-P |
| 01:10:44 | captain_proton | jzaun: its not that simple |
| 01:10:52 | captain_proton | jzaun: first all the obstacle stuff has to work |
| 01:11:00 | jzaun | heh, didn't think it would be :-( |
| 01:11:08 | jzaun | just looking forward to it |
| 01:11:14 | captain_proton | plus right now i'm trying to unbreak the wiki |
| 01:12:37 | jzaun | Have you thought about putting a bounty page up where users could donate money to developers for compeating different tasks? |
| 01:12:59 | captain_proton | all i have to work with is 'premature end of script headers' - it works fine locally, and as my user on sourceforge =| |
| 01:13:29 | jzaun | what is the URL? |
| 01:13:49 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi |
| 01:13:52 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 01:13:57 | captain_proton | Traceback (innermost last): |
| 01:13:57 | captain_proton | File "moin.cgi", line 22, in ? |
| 01:13:57 | captain_proton | cgimain.test() |
| 01:13:57 | captain_proton | File "/home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/moin/lib/python2.2/site-packages/MoinMoin/cgimain.py", line 43, in test |
| 01:13:57 | captain_proton | local_request = socket.getfqdn(os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME')) == \ |
| 01:13:58 | captain_proton | File "/usr/src/build/87651-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 100, in getfqdn |
| 01:14:00 | captain_proton | name = name.strip() |
| 01:14:02 | captain_proton | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' |
| 01:15:01 | captain_proton | is this just a borked install of python2.2? |
| 01:15:15 | jzaun | looks it |
| 01:15:31 | jzaun | try running just a simple scrip to test out .strip() |
| 01:15:55 | captain_proton | i'm not much of a pythoneer |
| 01:16:44 | jzaun | how did you get the traceback? |
| 01:17:56 | captain_proton | the moin.cgi script will do that if you give it a query string of 'test' - doesn't work through the web, so i did it local |
| 01:18:02 | captain_proton | /usr/bin/env QUERY_STRING=test moin.cgi |
| 01:18:42 | jzaun | who is the user/group on the moin.cgi? |
| 01:18:49 | jzaun | what are the parms on it? |
| 01:18:51 | captain_proton | obviously there's something screwed up beyond that, because the page that results has correct headers |
| 01:19:00 | captain_proton | -rwxr-xr-x 1 davidtro bzflag 1013 Jul 24 19:21 moin.cgi |
| 01:19:46 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 01:19:51 | iLLf8d | whats a moin.cgi for? |
| 01:19:59 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: new wiki |
| 01:20:06 | jzaun | those parms should be fine... |
| 01:20:26 | iLLf8d | anyone actually use that thing? |
| 01:20:46 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: a little, sometimes |
| 01:20:55 | captain_proton | jzaun: could be parms on something else, but i doubt it |
| 01:21:25 | jzaun | captain_proton: if you like we can try it out on jzaun.com... i got python 2.1.1 there |
| 01:21:54 | captain_proton | jzaun: i've got it working fine locally |
| 01:21:59 | jzaun | ohh... whats the fist line in cgi? |
| 01:22:10 | captain_proton | #! /usr/bin/env /usr/bin/python2.2 |
| 01:22:26 | captain_proton | had to change it because the 'python' binary on sf points to 1.5 |
| 01:22:57 | jzaun | try to remove the /usr/bin/env |
| 01:23:05 | jzaun | just run python |
| 01:28:18 | patlabor221 | sucks when you pop out a video card when the PC is runnin |
| 01:30:40 | captain_proton | jzaun: no difference |
| 01:30:45 | captain_proton | jzaun: if i run it local, it works fine |
| 01:31:10 | jzaun | captain_proton: What about the other files... they all got the correct parms? |
| 01:32:31 | captain_proton | jzaun: all the same as my local stuff |
| 01:33:19 | jzaun | ok... create a new file... I'll /msg what to put in it, just a simple python cgi... |
| 01:34:56 | jzaun | set with the same parms and try to run it |
| 01:35:12 | jzaun | Should get a very simple output if python2.2 works on SF |
| 01:35:54 | captain_proton | test.cgi gets same thing - 500 |
| 01:36:00 | captain_proton | runs fine locally =/ |
| 01:36:07 | jzaun | ok |
| 01:36:22 | jzaun | looks like python isn't setup to run as a CGi on SF |
| 01:36:47 | captain_proton | how does it matter? its being called from a #! |
| 01:37:15 | jzaun | the shell it invokes to run it may not have parms to access python |
| 01:37:34 | captain_proton | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Apr 12 12:31 /usr/bin/python2.2 |
| 01:37:38 | captain_proton | looks fine to me |
| 01:38:32 | jzaun | just for kicks change the first line in the test to #!/usr/bin/perl, see if that runs |
| 01:39:13 | captain_proton | need to add semicolons for perl :) |
| 01:39:19 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/test.cgi |
| 01:39:19 | jzaun | that too |
| 01:39:43 | jzaun | well shit |
| 01:39:59 | jzaun | remove the ;s and change it to python, not python2.2 |
| 01:40:12 | captain_proton | haah |
| 01:40:22 | captain_proton | works fine |
| 01:40:27 | bzdoug | http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi? |
| 01:40:31 | jzaun | 2.2 is foobared |
| 01:40:37 | bzdoug | what ist that? |
| 01:40:46 | bzdoug | cool |
| 01:40:48 | captain_proton | well shite |
| 01:40:52 | bzdoug | new wiki? |
| 01:40:52 | captain_proton | works in moin.cgi too |
| 01:41:06 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:41:10 | jzaun | hehe.. sure the script uses no 2.2 only stuff? |
| 01:41:14 | bzdoug | nice webpage... |
| 01:41:20 | bzdoug | need images though |
| 01:41:50 | captain_proton | jzaun: nope ;) |
| 01:41:51 | bzdoug | ok,bed time... |
| 01:41:53 | jzaun | cool |
| 01:41:59 | jzaun | G'Night bzdoug |
| 01:42:05 | bzdoug | cya |
| 01:42:06 | jzaun | captain_proton: just use python then |
| 01:42:33 | jzaun | could always put a support request in that 2.2 is fubb |
| 01:42:36 | captain_proton | got the logo image up |
| 01:42:51 | captain_proton | we probably should put that request in anyway, just because 2.2 is sometimes useful |
| 01:43:24 | jzaun | logo is nice, other images arn't loading though |
| 01:43:39 | captain_proton | yeah, uploading all that stuff now |
| 01:43:46 | jzaun | ahhh |
| 01:43:46 | jzaun | ok |
| 01:44:33 | jzaun | so... back to my question: Have you thought about putting a bounty page up where users could donate money to developers for compeating different tasks? |
| 01:45:10 | captain_proton | ok, try now |
| 01:45:18 | captain_proton | i haven't personally - tim might have |
| 01:45:23 | captain_proton | it would be nice ;-) |
| 01:45:30 | jzaun | I really like the new logo... all graphics load good |
| 01:46:21 | jzaun | should use the logo font in the game itself |
| 01:46:32 | jzaun | brb - need beer |
| 01:47:31 | captain_proton | yeah, we probably will soon enough |
| 01:47:48 | jzaun | back |
| 01:48:07 | iLLf8d | don't drink and tank |
| 01:48:15 | iLLf8d | madt |
| 01:48:21 | iLLf8d | Mothers Against Drunk Tankers |
| 01:48:31 | jacques | hi iLLf8d |
| 01:48:38 | iLLf8d | lo jacques |
| 01:48:39 | iLLf8d | howya be |
| 01:48:47 | jacques | not bad, you? |
| 01:49:44 | jzaun | The bounty page wouldn't be hard to do... basically a paragrah explaining what to do, a list of developers paypal accounts and a todo list (that can be extended by users) that users can pledge money to, once the item is done, email the users that have pledge that its done and the developer(s) that did it |
| 01:51:00 | jacques | who chooses which devel gets which tasks? |
| 01:51:08 | captain_proton | the devel |
| 01:51:09 | jzaun | The devels |
| 01:51:26 | jacques | what if a bad devel takes a task and scrwes around forver? |
| 01:51:32 | jzaun | a devel needs some extra $$, they look at the list, do it, commit it and send the email |
| 01:51:48 | jzaun | jacques: first one to commit gets the $$$ |
| 01:51:49 | jacques | oooh, so it's whoever does it first |
| 01:51:56 | jacques | sorry - that makes a lot more sense |
| 01:52:22 | jzaun | hell, could be a WIKI page |
| 01:52:44 | jzaun | users add there e-mail adder under the task.. |
| 01:52:55 | jzaun | or add a new task they would like to see done |
| 01:53:19 | jzaun | developers remove the task once they are done & send the e-mail |
| 01:53:48 | jacques | so the money will be in escrow? |
| 01:54:38 | jzaun | jacques: The site I was thinking about making at one point in my life, ya it would have been, but for a single project not sure who would hold it.. does paypal have an escrow system |
| 01:55:24 | jacques | I thought they did... but not positive - I might be thinking of another company that ebay promotes |
| 01:55:39 | jzaun | let me go look |
| 01:59:37 | jzaun | a single bussiness account can set up a seperart "donation" for each item on the todo list... though there would have to be a person on the other end to send the money to the developer when the task is done |
| 02:00:33 | captain_proton | what we could do is just have riker escrow the money |
| 02:00:47 | captain_proton | keeps it in his account until a developer signifies they've completed a task |
| 02:01:07 | jzaun | If he would want to be in charge of it... |
| 02:01:22 | jzaun | he would have to get a bussiness account to do it though |
| 02:01:43 | jzaun | that way each item has its own sub-account |
| 02:02:41 | jzaun | he would have to setup each item on the paypal end (ie items he is selling - no fixed amount - donation system) and update a webpage with the HTML to donate to that item |
| 02:02:46 | jzaun | would be some work on his end |
| 02:03:20 | jzaun | There is always the *trust* system... a user send the money directly to a developer after a item is done |
| 02:03:38 | captain_proton | he may already have a business account - sells tuxscreens through paypal |
| 02:03:58 | jzaun | hmm... where is he? we could ask him |
| 02:04:11 | captain_proton | to be honest after the devel is done with something, there's not too much incentive for the user to pay =| |
| 02:04:38 | jzaun | I never said the *trust* system was the best system |
| 02:05:40 | jzaun | Though it would be hard for users to add there own tasks to the list if someone had to do that work behind it |
| 02:05:51 | jzaun | to get it in the paypal systm |
| 02:06:08 | captain_proton | true |
| 02:07:56 | jzaun | You'de almost need a fulltime person running the system for bzflag developers |
| 02:08:04 | jzaun | hence... my old website idea |
| 02:09:30 | jzaun | well.... there is another simpiler way with just a single paypal account.... |
| 02:10:16 | captain_proton | true |
| 02:10:32 | jzaun | have CGI that does all the work, and keeps track of totals for a task/adds new tasks/etc. The user would enter the amount into the CGI wich would add it to the total and pass it off to the paypal system |
| 02:11:44 | jzaun | but then whos to say the user will compleate the paypal transaction at all.. they could just do that over and over to make the local amount the CGI has get bigger and bigger... |
| 02:11:46 | jzaun | hmm... |
| 02:22:47 | captain_proton | i need to talk to valoche but i think i'm about ready to upload the retrofitted league page too |
| 03:13:24 | iLL_Afk | night all |
| 03:14:25 | jzaun | captain_proton: you gonna redo all of bzflag.or to look like the WIKI page? (you should it looks nice) |
| 03:14:46 | captain_proton | yes, soon |
| 03:15:01 | captain_proton | tim is going on vacation, and doesn't want to do it until he returns (aug 10) |
| 03:15:12 | jzaun | Cool |
| 03:15:16 | jzaun | Where is he off to? |
| 03:16:10 | captain_proton | india & NY |
| 03:16:35 | jzaun | Sounds like fun... I'm off to Australia, soon hopefully |
| 03:16:42 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 03:18:03 | jzaun | ahh well, G'Night all |
| 03:18:09 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 03:43:43 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 03:43:45 | bzbot | Green: 1 players, score: 0 | |
| 07:07:15 | captain_proton | BZFlag: when do you leave? |
| 07:19:22 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ? |
| 07:48:06 | BZFlag | captain_proton: probably friday night. |
| 07:48:58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ah, can you look through the proposed flags list and tell me which ones are blessed? |
| 07:49:54 | BZFlag | not now. must sleep. perhaps tomorrow. |
| 07:49:57 | BZFlag | nite |
| 08:02:13 | akira_ | moin |
| 08:31:08 | Pinguin | Hi bomber ... |
| 08:32:18 | bomber | hi pinguin |
| 08:32:31 | bomber | wie wars in banda.....bla...bla |
| 08:32:48 | Pinguin | Bandar Seri Begawan |
| 08:32:56 | bomber | aha |
| 08:32:57 | Pinguin | Gibt kein Bier dort :-( |
| 08:33:05 | bomber | hast du uberlebt |
| 08:33:18 | Pinguin | Knapp ... ein Blutegel hat mich an der Hand erwischt ... |
| 08:33:31 | bomber | eeeeh |
| 08:33:43 | bomber | hast du schon fotos ? |
| 08:34:09 | Pinguin | No ... in den naechsten Tagen ... |
| 08:34:21 | Pinguin | Hast Du den Froot Loops schon geantwortet? |
| 08:34:37 | bomber | dann konnen wir uns in einer Kneipe treffen :o) |
| 08:34:45 | bomber | noch nicht |
| 08:34:58 | bomber | weil wir brauchen noch jemanden |
| 08:35:15 | bomber | prodan wird in August da |
| 08:35:35 | bomber | jojo hat auch nachgefragt |
| 08:35:46 | Pinguin | Ich habe ab 20:00 immer Zeit ... diesen und naechsten Samstag nicht, aber die Sonntage ... |
| 08:36:04 | bomber | ok ich notiere es :o))) |
| 08:37:01 | bomber | und wie war Flug |
| 08:37:03 | Pinguin | Wie kann man xchat einrichten, das es piepst, wenn der eigene Name irgendwo gennant wird? |
| 08:38:06 | Pinguin | Flug: 6h Frankfurt->Dubai, 6h Dubai->Bangkok, 2.5h Bangkok-> Bandar Seri Begawan, 2h Bandar ... -> Singapur ... UFF! |
| 08:38:38 | bomber | hast du den sultan gesehen ? |
| 08:39:16 | Pinguin | Ueberall ... in jeder Zeitung ... in jedem Fernsehprogramm ... ueberall(!!!) haengen Bilder von ihm ... wie Gehirnwaesche ... |
| 08:39:39 | bomber | hahaha |
| 08:39:51 | bomber | hast du mitgebracht ? |
| 08:40:11 | Pinguin | Was? |
| 08:41:42 | bomber | foto von SULTAN :o))))) |
| 08:41:58 | Pinguin | Muss mal gucken ob ich noch irgenwo eins finde ... |
| 08:42:17 | Pinguin | Ah ... ist auf den Brunai-Dollars drauf! ... Hab noch welche ... |
| 08:42:22 | bomber | geht ihr heute kicker spielen ? |
| 08:42:37 | Pinguin | Unklar ... Hobbit hat mittags zu ... |
| 08:42:46 | bomber | aaah |
| 08:43:03 | bomber | spielen wir jetzt ducati ? |
| 08:43:27 | Pinguin | He ... ist gerade Arbeitszeit ... |
| 08:43:33 | Pinguin | Spaeter! |
| 08:43:37 | bomber | lunch time |
| 08:43:48 | bomber | :o(((( |
| 08:43:54 | bomber | noki-doki |
| 08:44:18 | bomber | bis dann |
| 08:44:23 | Pinguin | OK CU... |
| 09:58:17 | akira_ | moin |
| 10:06:15 | akira_ | ah |
| 10:06:19 | akira_ | a debian dancer :) |
| 10:06:27 | MrCooper | heh, hi |
| 10:06:34 | MrCooper | init is our leader now |
| 10:07:29 | akira_ | and when will your first real fight take place? |
| 10:08:22 | MrCooper | he should post to the challenges forum RSN |
| 10:08:38 | akira_ | i say it again : moles are ready :) |
| 10:08:54 | akira_ | mostly on sunday evening (europe evening) |
| 10:09:05 | akira_ | but one could find another date too |
| 10:09:26 | MrCooper | I was suggesting this weekend but haven't heard back from the others |
| 10:09:40 | MrCooper | looking for cannon fodder eh? ;) |
| 10:14:06 | akira_ | we? |
| 10:14:29 | akira_ | looking innocent |
| 10:14:30 | MrCooper | yep |
| 10:15:33 | akira_ | your were good this day i player with/against you on 5156 |
| 10:15:57 | akira_ | cu all |
| 10:16:06 | MrCooper | cya |
| 10:17:38 | edelstei | hi |
| 10:22:22 | Gorb | hallo |
| 10:23:21 | | cell was last seen on #bzflag 4 days, 13 hours, 29 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: yes, why not [Sat Jul 20 21:53:35 2002] |
| 10:23:21 | Gorb | ibot seen cell |
| 11:06:24 | strayer | :) |
| 11:17:37 | bomber | hi |
| 11:23:59 | strayer | hi bomber |
| 11:27:59 | Pinguin | bomber: Habe 2 3C905 fuer unsere Firewall ... kann ich den 200MHz Rechner nehmen? |
| 11:34:09 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 11:34:13 | bomber | hmm |
| 11:34:49 | Pinguin | bomber: Kann ich den P200 nehmen? |
| 11:34:59 | bomber | ja...aber ich muss noch letztes mal gucken |
| 11:35:20 | bomber | willst du es neu formatieren |
| 11:35:34 | Pinguin | Noe ... nur andere Platte einbauen ... |
| 11:35:53 | bomber | dann ok..kein problem |
| 11:36:10 | Pinguin | Dann mache ich es gleich ... |
| 11:36:18 | bomber | o--oooo |
| 11:36:51 | bomber | viel spass |
| 12:02:12 | edelstei | nick |
| 12:04:42 | PerfectCell | hi |
| 12:05:21 | PerfectCell | this console irc is terrible, i hate solaris |
| 12:20:09 | PerfectCell | how |
| 12:20:27 | PerfectCell | do i get bzflag runon solaris |
| 12:43:00 | akira_ | moin |
| 12:43:20 | akira_ | !op |
| 12:43:21 | akira_ | :) |
| 13:02:06 | bzdoug | lo captain_proton |
| 13:02:27 | captain_proton | strange |
| 13:02:27 | captain_proton | go to bed at 4:30, wake up at 8, fully rested |
| 13:02:36 | bzdoug | wow |
| 13:02:38 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 13:02:45 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 13:02:48 | bzdoug | japan time? |
| 13:02:58 | captain_proton | no, i'm back home (been for a while) |
| 13:03:08 | captain_proton | too hot to sleep anyways |
| 13:03:09 | bzdoug | yea, but mayb its jetlag... |
| 13:03:18 | bzdoug | somehow... |
| 13:03:21 | bzdoug | anyway... |
| 13:03:28 | bzdoug | website looks good |
| 13:03:29 | captain_proton | jetlag? not likely |
| 13:03:31 | captain_proton | i've been home a week already |
| 13:03:35 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 13:04:18 | akira_ | someone here ready for a little match? |
| 13:10:32 | captain_proton | i'm kinda jazzed though |
| 13:10:36 | captain_proton | one of the AO hotties wants me |
| 13:11:42 | akira_ | was that a yes or a no? |
| 13:47:38 | Gorb | is it possible to drop the flag inside a building? |
| 13:50:26 | captain_proton | no |
| 13:50:35 | captain_proton | there was a bug in 2 player CTF but that was fixed |
| 13:51:10 | captain_proton | if the buildings were just right, and you dropped a flag center of one of the 2 baseless sides, it would float into a building |
| 13:53:52 | Gorb | k, then u can drop the falg only if u are completly outside a building |
| 13:54:22 | captain_proton | well, yeah, OO doesn't let you drop if you're inside |
| 13:54:30 | captain_proton | nor PZ if you're zoned |
| 13:54:43 | Gorb | am if u are partially inside? |
| 13:55:41 | captain_proton | partial is treated as inside |
| 13:55:50 | Gorb | k |
| 13:56:56 | Gorb | what about the situation when u cannot move any more, how do they arise |
| 13:57:18 | captain_proton | bug in the collission detection, usually when jumping into a crook |
| 13:59:57 | Gorb | why can the tanks jump onto pyramids, is that intended |
| 14:00:28 | captain_proton | yeah, it is |
| 14:00:44 | Gorb | oh, k |
| 14:03:54 | Gorb | how much of the tank must cross the teleporter to get teleported? |
| 14:04:55 | Gorb | juast looking at the code, dont have a clue |
| 14:05:21 | captain_proton | technically all of it |
| 14:05:31 | captain_proton | during teleportation, you see half the tank on either end |
| 14:05:45 | captain_proton | at least in 1.7 |
| 14:05:47 | Gorb | really? |
| 14:05:54 | captain_proton | its looking like teleporters may be fundamentally different in 1.8 |
| 14:06:07 | Gorb | why? |
| 14:06:20 | captain_proton | just because of how regions are working out |
| 14:06:37 | Gorb | regions u mean 2d regions |
| 14:06:46 | captain_proton | 3d |
| 14:07:24 | Gorb | polytopes |
| 14:07:43 | Gorb | dont know whats a region in 3d |
| 14:08:09 | Gorb | an area surraounded by planes? |
| 14:08:34 | captain_proton | an area created by boolean operations on boxes/pyramids (oriented in 3-space) |
| 14:10:03 | Gorb | an how does this improve things, for me sounds like more difficult cause objects can get concave |
| 14:10:54 | captain_proton | well, we'll have real collission detection |
| 14:10:58 | captain_proton | not the hack that we've got right now |
| 14:11:13 | captain_proton | it allows complex objects (models), plus regions have a number of uses |
| 14:11:24 | captain_proton | player spawn, flag spawn, team base - all are regions now |
| 14:12:33 | Gorb | and is there literature on the web that u used for the collision detection or something like that |
| 14:15:30 | Gorb | cause it sounds really good |
| 14:16:01 | captain_proton | i'm not doing the collission stuff - thats mostly crs' work |
| 14:16:53 | Gorb | crs ? |
| 14:16:59 | akira_ | chris |
| 14:17:01 | Gorb | k |
| 14:17:02 | akira_ | maintainer |
| 14:17:07 | captain_proton | no, tim is maintainer |
| 14:17:14 | captain_proton | chris is the original author |
| 14:17:18 | akira_ | whatever |
| 14:17:21 | Gorb | k |
| 14:17:22 | akira_ | chief in the ring |
| 14:17:30 | captain_proton | one of the big 2 |
| 14:17:37 | Gorb | and does the collision source already exist |
| 14:17:45 | captain_proton | somewhat |
| 14:17:45 | akira_ | of coz |
| 14:17:53 | akira_ | you cant go through walls :) |
| 14:17:55 | captain_proton | its got some big bugs |
| 14:17:56 | akira_ | -> cd |
| 14:18:02 | akira_ | yep |
| 14:18:16 | Gorb | is it teh reigion.cxx staff in the cvs |
| 14:18:39 | captain_proton | yeah - mostly in src/bzfs |
| 14:19:22 | Gorb | k i get a closer look, maybe i can learn something |
| 14:21:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: got some time? =\ |
| 14:22:23 | akira_ | hello tim |
| 14:30:28 | bryjen | hi |
| 14:31:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: headed into the office shortly. |
| 14:31:15 | BZFlag | sup? |
| 14:31:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: just wanting (needing?) you to go through the list and bless flags |
| 14:38:51 | captain_proton | BZFlag: if you can manage, http://128.138.87.25:2401/developers/flags.php |
| 14:45:11 | Gorb | does regions mean that everything is decomposed to boxes and pyramids |
| 14:45:33 | captain_proton | well, the regions are built up from boxes and pyramids |
| 14:45:46 | captain_proton | the models themselves will be just plain polygonal geometry |
| 14:46:08 | captain_proton | obstacles are built via regions, because you don't need visual detail in the physics |
| 14:46:34 | Gorb | yes but how do u get the region out of a poly mesh |
| 14:46:40 | Gorb | regions? |
| 14:46:48 | captain_proton | you don't |
| 14:46:53 | captain_proton | they're built separately |
| 14:47:53 | Gorb | so u first create a poly mesh and then then a prog creates the necessary regions for it |
| 14:48:05 | captain_proton | not likely |
| 14:48:12 | captain_proton | you'll probably have to model them separately |
| 14:48:23 | Gorb | oh that would be bad |
| 14:48:59 | Gorb | i mean timeconsuming |
| 14:49:03 | captain_proton | why? depending on how nice the editor's interface is, it could be very easy |
| 14:49:22 | captain_proton | the obstacles take no time compared to the geometry |
| 14:49:39 | captain_proton | CSG modeling is quick |
| 14:50:03 | Gorb | k |
| 14:50:24 | Gorb | and everything is described via xml now i saw |
| 14:50:39 | captain_proton | right |
| 14:50:57 | Gorb | why that |
| 14:51:12 | captain_proton | more powerful than 'box ... end' |
| 14:51:27 | Gorb | is that all |
| 14:51:48 | captain_proton | well, having xml for the view stuff makes the interface easily customizable |
| 14:53:01 | captain_proton | could download a new data dir that had a completely different look |
| 14:53:40 | Gorb | dont understand |
| 14:54:10 | Gorb | new data dir? |
| 14:54:29 | captain_proton | ok, the placement of the radar/scoreboard/etc, the menus, all of that is xml |
| 14:54:51 | Gorb | k |
| 14:55:10 | captain_proton | so, by downloading new xml files, you change the look of the game |
| 14:55:48 | Gorb | nice but i do not think xml files are user friendly then the other text files |
| 14:56:19 | Gorb | but they are user friendly for software apps |
| 14:56:52 | captain_proton | xml supports everything we need - nesting, strict parsing, intrinsic data types |
| 14:57:48 | Gorb | is there a dtd |
| 14:57:56 | captain_proton | no, not yet |
| 14:58:02 | captain_proton | i've been considering writing a schema |
| 14:58:09 | jzaun | Gorb: Actually the view.bzc is rather easy to modify... I did mine rather extensivly |
| 14:58:15 | Gorb | shema is more complex |
| 14:58:25 | captain_proton | but schemas are better than DTD's |
| 14:58:33 | Gorb | yes i know |
| 15:00:20 | ritchie_ | proton |
| 15:00:28 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 15:00:34 | ritchie_ | there is a flag missing in the flag list afaics that should be there |
| 15:00:34 | captain_proton | hi |
| 15:00:36 | ritchie_ | ReVerse |
| 15:00:52 | captain_proton | ReVersed (RV) - Forward/backward and left/right controls are reversed. <-- that one? ;) |
| 15:00:52 | ritchie_ | it reverses all the driving controls - would be fun |
| 15:01:02 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 15:01:03 | ritchie_ | sorry |
| 15:01:13 | ritchie_ | i assumed alphabetical order |
| 15:01:20 | captain_proton | bad assumption |
| 15:01:26 | ritchie_ | ill think b4 i speak next time ;-) |
| 15:01:32 | captain_proton | i should alphabetize, but i'm lazy right now |
| 15:01:42 | ritchie_ | doesnt matter |
| 15:01:53 | ritchie_ | 1 thing - there are too many bad flags suggested imho |
| 15:02:12 | ritchie_ | if there are loads it means that you only get each type every so often |
| 15:02:21 | jzaun | ritchie_: some are almost dups though |
| 15:02:29 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 15:05:36 | jzaun | I like the DS one.. would b interesting to get the random bad shot so it dosen't happen too often though |
| 15:06:16 | captain_proton | i'm particularly in favor of MN and FF |
| 15:07:06 | jzaun | so a MN shot agenst a FF tank would act link a normal shot? |
| 15:07:26 | captain_proton | no, MN is a bad flag |
| 15:07:36 | captain_proton | attracts shots towards you |
| 15:07:54 | captain_proton | would have to be tuned so the expert player could slingshot them to a desired direction :) |
| 15:08:02 | jzaun | ahh... missunderstood... |
| 15:08:22 | captain_proton | an FF tank would be hit by SW, L, SB, or any well-aimed shot |
| 15:08:47 | bryjen | captain_proton: GM? |
| 15:08:52 | captain_proton | any that would get you on the side of your radius would be deflected off |
| 15:08:57 | captain_proton | bryjen: GM is well-aimed, no? |
| 15:10:21 | bryjen | captain_proton: so no special exception for GM. the FF could actualy help you out turn it. cool. |
| 15:10:32 | Chestal | hmm, I got another idea |
| 15:10:45 | Chestal | a shield, which blocks all fast shots, only slow shots can penetrate it |
| 15:11:09 | bryjen | to go along with the slow shot flag? |
| 15:11:17 | Chestal | didn't see that one |
| 15:11:48 | bryjen | hmm, not on cp's list |
| 15:12:03 | Chestal | but when you drive backwards and shoot, the shot will be slow |
| 15:12:15 | bryjen | must've been somewhere else. opposite for rapid fire. |
| 15:12:21 | bryjen | a bad flag |
| 15:13:30 | captain_proton | Chestal: come up with a name, abbreviation and description :) |
| 15:15:57 | BZFlag | and if it was a wiki page, you could add it yourself. ;-) |
| 15:16:03 | BZFlag | grins |
| 15:16:33 | captain_proton | and if it were a wiki page, it would be harder to do the pretty color-coding ;) |
| 15:16:56 | captain_proton | BZFlag: soo, came up with a listo? |
| 15:19:11 | BZFlag | nope, busy, and headed into the office now. back in an hour or so. |
| 15:19:35 | captain_proton | can you give me some indication of when it might happen? |
| 15:20:36 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 15:23:56 | [TeA] | hi |
| 15:25:57 | bryjen | bah, I know I saw that slow shot flag suggested somewhere. Did somebody purge the multitude of feature suggestions from the SF forums? |
| 15:32:09 | ritchie_ | proton |
| 15:32:14 | ritchie_ | for chestal's flag |
| 15:32:15 | ritchie_ | what about |
| 15:32:20 | ritchie_ | Bullet Speed Filter |
| 15:32:22 | ritchie_ | BSF? |
| 15:32:33 | captain_proton | flag abbrevs are max 2 chars |
| 15:32:38 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 15:32:39 | ritchie_ | then |
| 15:32:41 | ritchie_ | SF |
| 15:32:54 | ritchie_ | just |
| 15:32:58 | ritchie_ | Speed Filter |
| 15:32:59 | ritchie_ | SF |
| 15:33:58 | captain_proton | i think we can do better than that for a name :) |
| 15:34:04 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 15:34:06 | ritchie_ | oh well] |
| 15:34:12 | ritchie_ | at least i tried :-0 |
| 15:35:39 | ritchie_ | the prob with something like dudshot |
| 15:35:55 | ritchie_ | is you need another property of the bullet |
| 15:36:03 | ritchie_ | which is isDudOrNot |
| 15:36:16 | ritchie_ | which is another byte or more to send |
| 15:36:20 | ritchie_ | ===== more lag :-( |
| 15:36:22 | bryjen | hmmm, I'd think in The Real World(tm), you'd be more likely to block slow shots, so this seems a little backwards |
| 15:36:48 | captain_proton | ritchie_: possibly - could be decided at random when the hit is detected |
| 15:37:03 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 15:37:15 | ritchie_ | but isnt that open to editing by PerfectCell and his like? |
| 15:37:28 | captain_proton | not if deaths are detected serverside |
| 15:37:35 | bryjen | do dud shots end at the hit or bounce off? |
| 15:38:05 | ritchie_ | cpn: i spose |
| 15:38:33 | captain_proton | bryjen: hmm, not sure |
| 15:38:36 | ritchie_ | i like MirroR |
| 15:38:49 | ritchie_ | how it would be implemented i dont know |
| 15:38:54 | ritchie_ | the reflection |
| 15:39:02 | ritchie_ | would have to look like a reflection and not a tank |
| 15:39:20 | ritchie_ | oh and |
| 15:39:23 | ritchie_ | ZigZag |
| 15:39:28 | captain_proton | render to texture @ 50% alpha, then decal onto the building |
| 15:39:29 | ritchie_ | that'd be fun ;-) |
| 15:39:50 | ritchie_ | but will it look good? |
| 15:39:57 | ritchie_ | the reflection one |
| 15:40:55 | captain_proton | could probably hack at it until it does look good |
| 15:41:31 | ritchie_ | mm |
| 15:43:00 | ritchie_ | i remember |
| 15:43:06 | ritchie_ | i had a flag i wanted to implement |
| 15:43:07 | ritchie_ | : |
| 15:44:22 | bryjen | maybe the dud could ricochet a random number of times before the server declares it over. and then it either stops, or explodes (partial dud). |
| 15:44:59 | ritchie_ | StraFer (SF): When off the ground, shots come out at about 30 degrees anti-clockwise (or should i say counter-clockwise ;-)) from the tank and therefore strafe a tank on the ground (good in 1-1 combat) |
| 15:45:56 | captain_proton | 30 degrees vertical? |
| 15:45:59 | ritchie_ | no |
| 15:46:04 | bryjen | don't you just mean 30 degress down from horiztonal? |
| 15:46:10 | ritchie_ | 30 degrees from the horizontal down |
| 15:46:22 | captain_proton | yeah, thats a vertical angle |
| 15:46:25 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 15:46:26 | ritchie_ | sorry |
| 15:46:28 | captain_proton | excuse my bad terminology |
| 15:46:53 | ritchie_ | english and us terminology is different |
| 15:47:31 | ritchie_ | any good? |
| 15:48:10 | captain_proton | might as well add it |
| 15:48:19 | captain_proton | though strafer is a misnomer |
| 15:48:24 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 15:48:27 | ritchie_ | but |
| 15:48:41 | ritchie_ | it works |
| 15:48:54 | ritchie_ | in WW1 for example the planes would strafe the trenches in a similar way |
| 15:49:55 | ritchie_ | and the other one i thought might be good is Variable Weight (not sure if its good or bad) - changes height/time of jump |
| 16:11:44 | lupinator | aBND |
| 16:13:31 | Chestal | prost |
| 16:22:14 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en Entwicklung |
| 16:22:19 | | captain_proton: Development |
| 16:23:43 | ritchie_ | capn what do you think of 2501/ |
| 16:25:38 | captain_proton | very pretty |
| 16:28:55 | ritchie_ | hes |
| 16:28:56 | ritchie_ | yes * |
| 16:29:03 | ritchie_ | however, im not sure ifthat adds to gameplay |
| 16:29:35 | ritchie_ | it makes it confusing |
| 16:29:37 | captain_proton | i haven't yet played a game |
| 16:29:38 | ritchie_ | harder to see... |
| 16:42:47 | captain_proton | is away: getting beat up |
| 16:43:00 | ritchie_ | ? |
| 16:43:05 | ritchie_ | that a hobby of yours? |
| 16:43:08 | captain_proton | kenpo class |
| 16:43:27 | ritchie_ | ahah |
| 16:43:29 | ritchie_ | have fun |
| 18:13:22 | captain_proton | is back (gone 01:30:35) |
| 18:57:59 | Gorb | why is the Region***.cxx code in /src/bzfs |
| 18:58:43 | captain_proton | because its used in bzfs |
| 18:59:21 | captain_proton | once it becomes more general it will probably move in to src/region |
| 18:59:28 | captain_proton | rather |
| 18:59:31 | captain_proton | there is stuff in src/region |
| 18:59:32 | captain_proton | :) |
| 19:25:42 | Gorb | this regions are 2d |
| 19:28:09 | Gorb | BzfRegion class what is that used for? |
| 19:29:15 | captain_proton | where? |
| 19:30:28 | Gorb | src/bzflag/Region.cxx |
| 19:31:46 | captain_proton | not sure what that's for |
| 19:32:04 | Gorb | whats the difference between a region and a shape, i just dont get it |
| 19:32:29 | captain_proton | a region is made up of shapes |
| 19:33:32 | Gorb | k, then the srcbzflag/Region.cxx must be something different |
| 19:55:15 | Gorb | seems like collision detection is done for each region:for (Regions::const_iterator i = regions.begin(); i != regions.end(); ++i) |
| 19:58:24 | Gorb | just asked myself if this is efficient |
| 20:01:41 | captain_proton | the current cvs stuff isn't the real collision code |
| 20:01:50 | captain_proton | the new stuff does a fast spatial search |
| 20:02:39 | Gorb | where can i get the new staff, if its possible |
| 20:03:16 | Gorb | or do i have to wait until its in the cvs |
| 20:03:51 | Gorb | staff != stuff, iknow sorry |
| 20:04:31 | captain_proton | i can upload a tree |
| 20:04:35 | captain_proton | mind that it doesn't quite all work |
| 20:05:36 | jzaun | captain_proton: could you put it in a tgz on the net somehere, I've love to took at it too |
| 20:05:52 | Gorb | tgz ? |
| 20:06:06 | Gorb | what sort of format is that |
| 20:06:06 | jzaun | tar.gz |
| 20:06:11 | Gorb | k |
| 20:06:58 | jzaun | tar = multifile into 1 file, gz = 1 file into a smaller file |
| 20:07:26 | Gorb | complicted why not zip |
| 20:07:33 | Gorb | complicated |
| 20:07:41 | jzaun | better commpression & unix standard |
| 20:07:53 | bryjen | tar and gzip are unix utilities |
| 20:07:58 | Gorb | k |
| 20:08:05 | jzaun | tar -cz dirname/ > newfile.tgz makes it |
| 20:08:24 | jzaun | tar -czf rather |
| 20:08:33 | bryjen | either or |
| 20:09:03 | jzaun | Gorb: on windows? |
| 20:09:06 | Gorb | command line, fast if u know it |
| 20:09:10 | Gorb | yes |
| 20:09:19 | jzaun | winzip can open tgz files |
| 20:09:22 | captain_proton | keep in mind this code won't interoperate with other 1.8 |
| 20:09:27 | Gorb | i have winace |
| 20:09:35 | Gorb | it can hablde it all |
| 20:10:04 | jzaun | woo... its gonna storm here |
| 20:10:08 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag.tgz |
| 20:10:20 | captain_proton | jzaun: threatening here too |
| 20:10:42 | jzaun | I got a 1.5 hour UPS so its all good |
| 20:10:50 | Doughecka | hehe |
| 20:11:45 | jzaun | captain_proton: protocol change in this code? |
| 20:12:37 | captain_proton | jzaun: protocol change, plus its based off a tree thats quite a bit old |
| 20:14:34 | pragma | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:14:48 | jzaun | oh... |
| 20:15:11 | jzaun | any change of an update to a newer tree? |
| 20:16:05 | Gorb | cannot load the project due to a corrupt project file |
| 20:16:21 | Gorb | thats what vc++7 tell me |
| 20:16:32 | Chestal | Gorb: did you do a CVS checkout? |
| 20:16:48 | Chestal | GOrb: IIRC there's a cr/lf issue with the project files |
| 20:17:04 | Gorb | no i did no checkout |
| 20:17:11 | Chestal | downloaded .tgz? |
| 20:17:15 | Gorb | yes |
| 20:17:18 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:17:34 | bryjen | Chestal: captain_proton sent him some stuff |
| 20:17:36 | Chestal | then I guess the project files have not been auto-text-converted and are now using unix style line end |
| 20:17:50 | Chestal | youd have to convert that to cr/lf I guess somehow |
| 20:17:55 | captain_proton | jzaun: don't try to upgrade, there's bound to be loads of integration work that will have to be done |
| 20:17:58 | Gorb | k |
| 20:18:55 | jzaun | captain_proton: ok |
| 20:20:41 | Gorb | cr/lf thats the error, just resaved all dsp files with wordpad, and now it works |
| 20:21:01 | bryjen | thows out some spam that just arrived but was dated May 17 |
| 20:21:06 | bryjen | ewwww |
| 20:21:13 | Doughecka | haha |
| 20:21:20 | Doughecka | slow server.. |
| 20:31:11 | bryjen | Doughecka: i believe you have bzmail |
| 20:31:37 | Doughecka | erk |
| 20:31:37 | BZFlag | Gorb: you need to change cr to cr/lf before vc++ will open it. |
| 20:31:57 | BZFlag | ah, /me catches up. ;-) |
| 20:33:57 | captain_proton | yaay BZFlag |
| 20:34:05 | captain_proton | ready to distribute the blessings? =} |
| 20:34:27 | jzaun | oohh... say you are :-) |
| 20:39:00 | BZFlag | url? |
| 20:42:11 | Gorb | yes i done it already |
| 20:42:54 | Gorb | and now it works |
| 20:43:10 | BZFlag | captain_proton: url again? |
| 20:44:05 | Gorb | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag.tgz |
| 20:44:11 | captain_proton | Gorb: no |
| 20:44:16 | bryjen | malaria? I was getting tired of purpley, but it better than that.... |
| 20:44:16 | Gorb | ??? |
| 20:44:42 | Gorb | captain_proton:why? |
| 20:44:42 | captain_proton | BZFlag: http://128.138.87.152:2401/developers/flags.php |
| 20:44:58 | Gorb | k, sorry |
| 20:45:12 | captain_proton | different url |
| 20:45:22 | captain_proton | i'm gonna go watch a cartoon for 10 minutes or so :) |
| 20:45:53 | bryjen | captain_proton: are you working on the bzflag.org wiki? |
| 20:46:24 | BZFlag | captain_proton: http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi is blank here. must be missing a table close someplace. |
| 20:47:03 | bryjen | I get that page. the left side nav links don't work |
| 20:48:39 | BZFlag | captain_proton: find moin -type d | xargs chmod g+sw on SF. k? |
| 20:49:14 | bryjen | well, some of them don't work. |
| 20:51:21 | captain_proton | goes to chmod |
| 20:51:49 | captain_proton | BZFlag: done |
| 20:53:10 | BZFlag | ah, might as well chmod -R g+w . as well. |
| 20:53:27 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its 'footer2' right? |
| 20:53:41 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 20:53:43 | captain_proton | BZFlag: better? |
| 20:53:44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:53:46 | bryjen | ahhh, the pages are actually at http://bzflag.org/new/whatever |
| 20:54:09 | captain_proton | bryjen: when linked from the wiki |
| 20:54:24 | captain_proton | bryjen: the new web site (with all the correct links) won't go up until riker is back |
| 20:54:36 | BZFlag | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbzflag.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoin.cgi&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=HTML+4.01+Transitional |
| 20:55:05 | captain_proton | for some reason it doesn't seem to be printing footer2 |
| 20:55:49 | captain_proton | bbiaf |
| 20:57:07 | bryjen | I start at http://bzflag.org/ click on wiki in the left side column of links, and get http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi in the left size column on that page, the download, help, developer, screenshots, get involved!, and links links are broken. |
| 20:58:03 | captain_proton | <captain_proton> bryjen: the new web site (with all the correct links) won't go up until riker is back |
| 20:58:08 | captain_proton | LISTEN TO ME |
| 20:58:22 | captain_proton | once the rest of the site is updated, everything will work |
| 20:59:00 | bryjen | captain_proton: sorry, just wanted to be specific to ensure we were talking about the same thing. |
| 21:01:40 | bryjen | leaves to go home |
| 21:07:26 | BZFlag | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbzflag.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoin.cgi |
| 21:29:25 | Widget | Sniper 50 is back from vacation! |
| 21:29:39 | Widget | Wait a second. |
| 21:29:45 | Widget | How did I get to be chanop? |
| 21:34:31 | Widget | jpablo: Can you play our team next week? |
| 21:34:38 | Widget | jpablo: Sniper 50 is back from vacation. |
| 21:35:04 | jpablo | what day ? |
| 21:35:16 | Widget | jpablo: Pick one, and post a reply in the BZForum. |
| 21:35:19 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 17 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: youd have to convert that to cr/lf I guess somehow [Thu Jul 25 21:17:49 2002] |
| 21:35:19 | Widget | ibot: seen Chestal |
| 21:35:50 | jpablo | ok, i'll talk to me teammates early next week. |
| 21:51:38 | BZFlag | captain_proton: ok, stop editing moin_config allready. |
| 21:54:20 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:54:21 | bzbot | Red: 2 players, score: -7 | Green: 4 players, score: 12 | |
| 21:54:39 | bryjen | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:54:40 | bzbot | nobody (Red):-30 (24 wins, 54 losses). Nicson (Red):0 (1 wins, 1 losses). Rawen Ra (Green):50 (145 wins, 95 losses). Gimli (Green):-29 (43 wins, 72 losses). 2 bad (Green):-1 (1 wins, 2 losses). admiral electron (Red):-29 (57 wins, 86 losses). @Widget (Blue):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). |
| 21:55:02 | Chestal | Rawen Ra seems to be some hero in disguise |
| 21:56:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: eep - sorry |
| 21:56:45 | blair | captain proton, i summon you |
| 21:56:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag: was busy playing music |
| 21:56:49 | blair | to the decks! |
| 21:56:58 | captain_proton | blair: busiyoo |
| 21:57:04 | blair | bah |
| 21:57:21 | blair | let us have a 5 death game |
| 21:57:31 | blair | cuz flag crashes my komputer |
| 21:57:49 | captain_proton | i can handle that |
| 21:57:53 | blair | let us go |
| 21:58:13 | captain_proton | can you connect? |
| 21:58:24 | blair | i don't see any jzaun |
| 21:58:43 | blair | is it up? |
| 21:59:11 | captain_proton | tryz0r now |
| 22:11:53 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:11:54 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: -7 | Green: 4 players, score: 12 | |
| 22:25:28 | captain_proton | BZFlag: fixed the footer thing |
| 22:25:34 | captain_proton | its 'page_footer2' not 'footer2' |
| 22:27:19 | Widget | Chestal: He is Sniper 50. |
| 22:27:24 | Widget | Chestal: Just returned from vacation. |
| 22:27:51 | Chestal | Widget: ah, great. Reinforcement for the bz team :-) |
| 22:28:15 | Widget | Chestal: Yes, that's why we have a new offer for challenges posted in the board. :) |
| 22:28:26 | Widget | Chestal: Which appeared shortly after Rawen Ra announced his return. |
| 22:28:42 | Doughecka | burrow is in CVS? |
| 22:28:47 | Widget | So German elections are in September? |
| 22:28:51 | Widget | Our elections are tomorrow! |
| 22:28:53 | Widget | Fun! |
| 22:29:17 | Chestal | oh, on a Saturday? |
| 22:29:25 | Chestal | eection here are on Sundays always |
| 22:29:52 | Chestal | how old do you have to be to vote in NZ? |
| 22:30:34 | Widget | 18. |
| 22:30:54 | captain_proton | so why is it 'fun!' ? |
| 22:30:57 | Widget | To drink alcoholic beverages as well. |
| 22:30:59 | Chestal | same here |
| 22:31:04 | Widget | captain_proton: Elections are always fun to watch. |
| 22:31:18 | Chestal | well, I think I will vot ein September, not 100% sure, which party I'll vote for, though |
| 22:31:29 | captain_proton | shruges and goes back to his work |
| 22:31:40 | lupinator | waht do you elect? executive? |
| 22:31:45 | Doughecka | captain_proton: burrow is in 1.8 code right now? |
| 22:31:55 | Widget | lupinator: No. It's sort of complicated. |
| 22:32:01 | Widget | lupinator: A few years ago, we got a new voting system. |
| 22:32:05 | Widget | lupinator: But we elect legislative. |
| 22:32:07 | captain_proton | Doughecka: uhm, yes |
| 22:32:10 | Doughecka | ah |
| 22:32:18 | Doughecka | I have to try that out... |
| 22:32:18 | Widget | lupinator: And then, the leader of the majority party gets to be prime minister, and chooses her cabinet. |
| 22:32:35 | lupinator | sounds familiar to me |
| 22:32:48 | Widget | It's copied after this one other country. |
| 22:33:13 | Widget | How different are the parties in Germany? |
| 22:33:56 | lupinator | they are quite different but do the same things, though |
| 22:34:18 | Chestal | Widget: a greater spectrum than in the US at least, I think |
| 22:35:02 | lupinator | the big parties don't differ that much. only in some special topics |
| 22:35:10 | captain_proton | 'lo Mr |
| 22:35:20 | Widget | All pro-EU? |
| 22:35:46 | Chestal | Widget: all major parties, yes |
| 22:35:48 | lupinator | you can't afford to be con-eu |
| 22:36:18 | Widget | In France, Le Pen got 20% of the vote standing for anti-Euro. |
| 22:36:23 | Widget | In France, Le Pen got 20% of the vote standing for anti-EU. |
| 22:36:51 | lupinator | frogs, ts |
| 22:37:13 | lupinator | who wants to have them in the eu anyway? ;-) |
| 22:37:23 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 22:37:45 | Widget | Hehe. |
| 22:37:52 | Widget | lupinator: No more French cheese for you! |
| 22:39:37 | Chestal | lupinator: it will be your first electins I guess? going to vote? |
| 22:40:07 | lupinator | excluding local elections, yes |
| 22:41:01 | Widget | What is an ausländischer Mitbürger? |
| 22:44:35 | lupinator | Widget: an immigrant living in your country but who does not belong this state |
| 22:44:44 | Widget | Ah. |
| 22:45:42 | Doughecka | captain_proton: can burrow go under buildings? |
| 22:45:47 | captain_proton | Doughecka: no |
| 22:45:49 | Widget | Doughecka: No. |
| 22:45:53 | Doughecka | what? |
| 22:46:01 | Doughecka | then what is burrow good for? |
| 22:46:05 | Widget | Doughecka: Shooting people. |
| 22:46:09 | Widget | Doughecka: They can't shoot you. |
| 22:46:09 | Doughecka | ;) |
| 22:46:10 | captain_proton | Doughecka: people can't shoot you with normal bullets |
| 22:46:16 | Doughecka | ah |
| 22:46:16 | Widget | Doughecka: They can run you over, though. |
| 22:46:21 | Doughecka | ok |
| 22:46:39 | lupinator | Widget: at least that's what i think it means. maybe some people say somebody with foreign roots |
| 22:47:31 | Widget | lupinator: Do you know what party you will be voting for? |
| 22:47:59 | Doughecka | hmm, what settings does the bzfs server need? |
| 22:48:13 | Widget | Doughecka: Depends on what settings you want. |
| 22:48:16 | Doughecka | should bzfs +bu -a -b -c +r -j work? |
| 22:48:17 | lupinator | Widget: well, i know who i won't vote |
| 22:48:24 | lupinator | for |
| 22:48:25 | Widget | Doughecka: No arguments will create a default server. |
| 22:48:29 | Widget | lupinator: Who? |
| 22:48:39 | Doughecka | yea, but I want to try the burrow |
| 22:48:45 | BZFlag | fixes the wiki for netscape. |
| 22:49:00 | Doughecka | ack |
| 22:49:01 | Doughecka | dinner |
| 22:49:10 | Widget | Doughecka: You don't need any speshul options. |
| 22:49:11 | lupinator | Widget: cdu/csu |
| 22:49:19 | Doughecka | what do I need? |
| 22:49:25 | Widget | Doughecka: Start a default sever. |
| 22:49:27 | Doughecka | I want to connect and try it |
| 22:49:31 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 22:49:32 | Doughecka | ok |
| 22:49:34 | Widget | Doughecka: Then connect to localhost. |
| 22:49:39 | Doughecka | that will have burrow? |
| 22:50:30 | Chestal | lupinator: don't you worship Stoiber? YOu're living in Bayern, don't you? :-) |
| 22:50:31 | Doughecka | nope |
| 22:50:38 | Doughecka | it does not have ANY flags |
| 22:50:45 | Doughecka | with the default server |
| 22:51:47 | bryjen | does -f good work in 1.8? |
| 22:52:01 | lupinator | Chestal: i even met stoiber and his staff. no, thanks |
| 22:52:32 | bryjen | bryjen: no |
| 22:52:53 | Chestal | lupinator: well, for me the question is which party sucks least, not an easy decision |
| 22:53:57 | Widget | Chestal: Form your own. :) |
| 22:54:22 | bryjen | Doughecka: you need +f BU not +bu |
| 22:54:23 | Chestal | Widget: the Low Lag party :-) |
| 22:54:32 | lupinator | The Moles |
| 22:57:40 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 22:57:41 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 22:57:54 | Widget | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:57:54 | captain_proton | BZFlag: want to give me the blessed list? or are you intent on wikizing it? |
| 22:57:54 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 22:58:02 | Widget | Chestal: What is a ducati? |
| 22:58:14 | | bryjen: huh? |
| 22:58:14 | bryjen | ibot: ducati |
| 22:58:53 | bryjen | errr |
| 22:58:59 | | jacques: huh? |
| 22:58:59 | jacques | ibot: decks |
| 22:59:10 | Chestal | a ducati is a motorcycle |
| 22:59:16 | Widget | Ah, |
| 22:59:23 | Widget | Do you have a ducati? |
| 22:59:39 | bryjen | brand name or literally ? |
| 22:59:54 | Chestal | it's the name of a specific motorcacly I guess |
| 23:00:03 | Chestal | but I know virtually nothing about it |
| 23:00:08 | bryjen | ie Harley Davidson |
| 23:00:11 | Chestal | I can't even drive one |
| 23:00:14 | Widget | Italian? |
| 23:00:18 | jacques | duck |
| 23:00:23 | jacques | yes |
| 23:00:37 | jacques | it's a make, not a model |
| 23:00:38 | Chestal | it's just the name schema used for the hosts in oru local unix group here at the univeristy |
| 23:00:52 | Widget | Ah. |
| 23:01:11 | lupinator | is harley still alive? |
| 23:01:29 | Chestal | yes |
| 23:01:32 | bryjen | Widget: http://www.ducati.com/ |
| 23:01:36 | Chestal | harley is handling mail+ftp |
| 23:01:42 | Widget | bryjen: I saw. |
| 23:02:12 | jacques | lupinator: yes they have resurged trmendously in the last several years |
| 23:02:25 | jacques | oh, you didnt mean the maker |
| 23:02:36 | jacques | nm |
| 23:02:58 | lupinator | yup, chestal ran bzfs on harley once upon a time |
| 23:03:02 | bryjen | When you can sell motorcycles for around the same price as a small car, you're doing something right |
| 23:03:29 | jacques | bryjen: and make ppl wait a year to get them |
| 23:03:43 | bryjen | wow |
| 23:03:51 | jacques | I think I'll just get a suzuki |
| 23:04:07 | Widget | remembers the Italian driver in one Tintin book. |
| 23:04:11 | Widget | Avanti! |
| 23:05:02 | lupinator | i think suzuki has a pretty fast bike |
| 23:05:15 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 5155 |
| 23:05:16 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 23:05:24 | jacques | yeah but I am not in that league - I want a SV650 |
| 23:06:01 | jacques | so the chance of killing myself is like 50% instead of 100% |
| 23:06:20 | lupinator | i think most drivers are not vrey long in that league |
| 23:06:27 | lupinator | yep |
| 23:07:45 | jacques | true |
| 23:07:54 | lupinator | i won#t touch motorbikes |
| 23:07:59 | jacques | you can look really really cool for a very short time |
| 23:09:13 | lupinator | i bet it's a lot of fun, too (which is dangerous) |
| 23:09:57 | Widget | Hm..... yes, they say in Germany people drive at exorbitant speeds. |
| 23:14:17 | bryjen | dinner time bbl |
| 23:27:13 | Doughecka | oh oh |
| 23:27:23 | Doughecka | burrow flag crash bzflag 1.8 |
| 23:33:38 | jacques | what the heck is burrow? |
| 23:33:46 | Doughecka | in 1.8 |
| 23:34:00 | jacques | wat does it do? |
| 23:34:09 | Doughecka | goes under ground |
| 23:34:20 | jacques | ooh, hmm. kinda like OO |
| 23:34:28 | Doughecka | ack |
| 23:57:43 | Skipp | hey everyone |
| 23:58:10 | Skipp | hey bryjen |
| 23:58:16 | bryjen | hi |