| 00:00:06 | BZFrank | you'll need a laptop with GF2Go or so... |
| 00:00:54 | captain_proton | its got a radeon 7500 |
| 00:01:03 | captain_proton | but windows + no vc++ = bad |
| 00:01:05 | BZFrank | should do.. |
| 00:01:16 | captain_proton | plus i don't have perms to install anything |
| 00:01:32 | BZFrank | company laptop? |
| 00:01:52 | captain_proton | no - one of the machines in the terminal room |
| 00:02:11 | captain_proton | they've got maybe 50 laptops set up for general use during the conference |
| 00:03:12 | BZFrank | ok, still no solution |
| 00:03:34 | BZFrank | I hope you are soon back home then |
| 00:03:44 | captain_proton | get back on the 20th |
| 00:03:46 | blackhound | loops are tough |
| 00:04:03 | captain_proton | but in the meantime i'm enjoying myself |
| 00:04:11 | jacques | you mean those 0o.o0.0.o0o.0o0.o0.0..o0.0o0. guys? |
| 00:04:19 | BZFrank | BTW you asked for a release, the first version hopefully soon, without list server support - as soon as I got the beer problem fixed |
| 00:04:21 | FrootLoop | thx black, it was a good battle |
| 00:04:21 | blackhound | jacques yes |
| 00:04:28 | captain_proton | beer problem? |
| 00:04:33 | blackhound | anytime hehe |
| 00:04:52 | FrootLoop | We can send you some beer Frank? |
| 00:04:54 | BZFrank | you can actually modify the world in P2501, so a tank can kick things around, one of these things is a beer bottle |
| 00:04:56 | FrootLoop | what kind you want |
| 00:05:13 | captain_proton | so whats the problem? |
| 00:05:34 | FrootLoop | black: make sure you slap Apache for us ok |
| 00:05:34 | BZFrank | update, so it works smooth on all systems |
| 00:05:43 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 00:06:24 | blackhound | FrootLoop we will, dont worry |
| 00:06:45 | BZFrank | you see, if you just move the bottle it could happen that on another client with some time offset due to connection and lag it was directly put on top of another tank |
| 00:07:05 | BZFrank | in bzflag things are easy, all static and tanks do not bumb each other |
| 00:07:17 | captain_proton | for now |
| 00:07:29 | BZFrank | in p2501 everythnig collides with everything and the collision response but be correct |
| 00:07:43 | captain_proton | latency is sucky |
| 00:07:53 | blackhound | well I am out |
| 00:08:02 | blackhound | c you guys |
| 00:08:03 | BZFrank | yep, such problems you can only hone out during real game conditions |
| 00:08:09 | BZFrank | cu |
| 00:08:37 | captain_proton | ate a whale yesterday |
| 00:08:48 | BZFrank | mahlzeit! ;) |
| 00:09:00 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en mahlzeit |
| 00:09:01 | | captain_proton: meal |
| 00:09:15 | captain_proton | well, not a whole one, just bits of it |
| 00:09:26 | BZFrank | sushi then |
| 00:10:04 | ski | i guess im done gettin crushed by cereal |
| 00:10:07 | captain_proton | sashimi, fried, and tongue |
| 00:10:10 | captain_proton | no sushi |
| 00:10:31 | ski | ncya all later |
| 00:10:36 | FrootLoop | night ski |
| 00:10:59 | ski | later, GG from your team |
| 00:11:14 | BZFrank | I hope it was tasteful then despite the whale character ;) |
| 00:11:18 | FrootLoop | thx ski, you guys played well. |
| 00:11:32 | ski | thx :) |
| 00:11:36 | ski | later |
| 00:12:51 | captain_proton | yes, it was yummy |
| 00:12:56 | BZFrank | grrr, rainnig outside, not much summer recently |
| 00:13:07 | captain_proton | haah! |
| 00:13:13 | captain_proton | we have a typhoon here |
| 00:13:25 | BZFrank | lots of rain I guess |
| 00:13:32 | captain_proton | yes |
| 00:13:59 | captain_proton | i want the lan they set up here |
| 00:14:09 | captain_proton | massive bundles of optical fiber |
| 00:14:27 | BZFrank | nice |
| 00:16:14 | captain_proton | they can maintain 10mbps to the internet for each connection - around 1500 people on at any one time |
| 00:16:46 | BZFrank | that is really nice! ;) imaging 1500 bzflag servers ;) |
| 00:17:38 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 00:21:08 | captain_proton | hmmmm |
| 00:21:10 | captain_proton | is bored |
| 00:33:14 | captain_proton | Widget: wake up |
| 00:44:07 | dinah | :( excuse me, hello? |
| 00:44:28 | captain_proton | hi dinah |
| 00:45:14 | dinah | captain_proton: do me a favor, tell anyone you see i am sorry and will explain later |
| 00:46:08 | dinah | would you do that for me? please |
| 00:46:29 | | sorry is probably When I've got nothing more to say. |
| 00:46:29 | captain_proton | sorry? |
| 00:46:33 | captain_proton | i missed a LOT |
| 00:46:37 | captain_proton | what all is going on? |
| 00:46:44 | dinah | you dont know the half |
| 00:47:51 | dinah | well, i supose i might as well begin explaining it to you... |
| 00:49:06 | dinah | a short time ago i vowed never again to come to #bzflag because tad was so mean to me |
| 00:49:34 | captain_proton | mean how? |
| 00:49:57 | dinah | then after he continued to abuse me under various nicks in irc i became so paranoied i quit bzflag all together, |
| 00:50:12 | dinah | for fear of him using a different nick and tricking me |
| 00:50:54 | captain_proton | hmm, ok |
| 00:51:01 | dinah | then i learned that a friend i met on bzflag had multiple nicks... |
| 00:51:29 | dinah | so i was so angry at people i had trusted for 'lying' to me... |
| 00:51:56 | captain_proton | temper temper |
| 00:52:34 | dinah | and i became a bit, call it, disenchanted, and began to treat people like a perfect ass... |
| 00:53:38 | dinah | all this is infact due to a source of personal stress that has happened over the past few days, (id rather not discuss it) |
| 00:53:53 | dinah | so now i am repentant and feel awfull :( |
| 00:53:58 | captain_proton | i see |
| 00:54:25 | dinah | oh and somewhere in there percy scared the shit outof doug, he hasent been seen since |
| 00:54:40 | dinah | is sorry for swearing she dint think |
| 00:54:51 | captain_proton | (not a terrible thing, in the long run ;) |
| 00:55:34 | dinah | anyway i may have permanantly soiled many peoples oppinions of me :( |
| 00:55:48 | captain_proton | you just take the internet too seriously |
| 00:56:09 | captain_proton | if you choose to view everything as a joke, you can have some fun. if not, you will get frustrated |
| 00:56:12 | dinah | i just (still) can not stand to be lied to |
| 00:57:28 | captain_proton | just using multiple nicknames isn't really lying |
| 00:57:54 | dinah | it is if your doug and use someone elses to talk to me... |
| 00:58:02 | captain_proton | true, true |
| 00:58:45 | dinah | but i did go very overoard, and need to do somting to redeam myself |
| 00:59:22 | captain_proton | learn to code and hack at bzflag ;) |
| 01:00:37 | dinah | sighs |
| 01:19:33 | dinah | goodnight |
| 04:14:54 | Widget | hihihi, captain_proton. |
| 04:15:02 | Widget | has just been stung by a nasty spider. |
| 04:15:55 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:15:55 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 04:16:21 | jacques | bzbot: how do you know? |
| 04:16:39 | Widget | bzbot is a perl script. |
| 04:17:02 | | bzbot is better than you |
| 04:17:02 | Widget | ibot: bzbot? |
| 04:17:10 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 04:17:10 | Widget | ibot: ibot? |
| 04:17:31 | jpablo | "the" bot ? |
| 04:17:38 | | jpablo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:17:38 | jpablo | ibot: jpablo? |
| 04:18:03 | | OK, jpablo. |
| 04:18:03 | jpablo | ibot: jpablo is a master bzflager. |
| 04:18:06 | | you are a master bzflager. |
| 04:18:06 | jpablo | ibot: jpablo? |
| 04:18:11 | jpablo | thanks. |
| 04:18:29 | | bugger all, i dunno, jacques |
| 04:18:29 | jacques | ibot: froot loops? |
| 04:18:36 | | jacques: i haven't a clue |
| 04:18:36 | jacques | ibot: loops? |
| 04:18:46 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 04:18:46 | jacques | ibot: 0o.o0.0o. |
| 04:19:11 | jacques | ok time ot head home |
| 04:22:05 | captain_proton | hey MrApathyCream |
| 04:22:15 | MrApathyCream | well looky here |
| 04:22:24 | MrApathyCream | back from japan? |
| 04:24:56 | captain_proton | nope |
| 04:25:30 | MrApathyCream | moved permanently? |
| 04:26:28 | | Widget: I forgot jpablo |
| 04:26:28 | Widget | ibot: forget jpablo |
| 04:26:36 | Widget | MrApathyCream: They wouldn't take him if he paid them. |
| 04:26:49 | jpablo | hey ! |
| 04:27:14 | | OK, Widget. |
| 04:27:14 | Widget | ibot: jpablo is a subversive. |
| 04:27:41 | captain_proton | i get back on the 20th |
| 04:28:30 | | ...but jpablo is a subversive.... |
| 04:28:30 | jpablo | ibot: jpablo is a Widget killer. |
| 04:28:40 | Widget | Heeh. |
| 04:28:47 | jpablo | bah, you are all in a conspirations against me. |
| 04:28:59 | | OK, jpablo. |
| 04:28:59 | jpablo | ibot: i'm telling you he is a Widget killer. |
| 04:29:04 | jpablo | thanks. |
| 04:29:06 | Widget | jpablo: captain_proton es japonès. |
| 04:29:13 | | he is probably getting some from someehre - used to be 200 left, now there are over 300! |
| 04:29:13 | Widget | ibot: he? |
| 04:29:39 | Widget | captain_proton: ¡Estancia en Japón! |
| 04:29:58 | Widget | captain_proton: No vuelva. |
| 04:30:17 | jpablo | Estacia ? |
| 04:30:21 | jpablo | Estabcia ? |
| 04:30:26 | jpablo | Estancia ? |
| 04:30:46 | Widget | Stay? |
| 04:30:51 | Widget | Or is that Salir? |
| 04:30:52 | jpablo | Quedate |
| 04:31:05 | Widget | Oh. |
| 04:31:07 | Widget | jpablo: ¿Cuándo jugamos con usted? |
| 04:31:15 | Widget | bz v. GUGLMty? |
| 04:31:19 | jpablo | ustedes |
| 04:31:36 | jpablo | Widget: i'm off for the summer, would be able to play in a month or so. |
| 04:32:06 | Widget | jpablo: ¿está asustado? |
| 04:32:40 | captain_proton | Widget: did you manage to get to test that thing? |
| 04:32:51 | Widget | captain_proton: The blurring? It seems to fix it. |
| 04:33:12 | jpablo | this should be ¿ Estas asustado ?, y no, haremos picadillo a tu equipo en cuando todo nuestro equipo este junto de nuevo. |
| 04:33:39 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: we have clipping =) |
| 04:35:43 | Widget | captain_proton: Actually.... |
| 04:35:51 | Widget | captain_proton: I checked again. If you turn while you're burrowing... |
| 04:35:56 | Widget | captain_proton: It streaks still. |
| 04:36:28 | captain_proton | Widget: try changing to 0.5 |
| 04:36:29 | captain_proton | err |
| 04:36:30 | captain_proton | 0.05 |
| 04:36:49 | Widget | jpablo: e.g., nunca |
| 04:37:36 | Widget | What's the line number again? |
| 04:37:51 | Widget | Never mind. |
| 04:38:45 | Widget | jpablo: ¿Los españoles entienden portugués? |
| 04:39:14 | jpablo | Si. |
| 04:39:32 | jpablo | no es totalmente igual, pero lo escuchas despasito entiendes la mayoria. |
| 04:40:05 | Widget | I thought the Spanish had much greater difficulty in understanding Portuguese than vice versa. |
| 04:42:26 | jpablo | nah. |
| 04:43:42 | Widget | captain_proton: Mmmm.... still streaking. |
| 04:43:51 | Widget | jpablo: Spanish is much easier though. Fewer vowels, and more phonetic. |
| 04:44:18 | Widget | Eso es afortunado. |
| 04:44:44 | MrApathyCream | cappy: woowoo |
| 04:45:16 | jpablo | ! Me gusta que te guste mi idioma materno ¡ |
| 04:46:36 | captain_proton | ok, Widget, try this: |
| 04:46:46 | captain_proton | src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx:479 |
| 04:47:09 | captain_proton | if (clipping != currentState->clipping) { |
| 04:47:15 | captain_proton | glDisable(GL_CLIP_PLANE0); |
| 04:47:15 | captain_proton | } |
| 04:47:19 | captain_proton | -- thats it |
| 04:48:17 | Widget | It is currently.... |
| 04:48:21 | Widget | // record most recent rep |
| 04:48:21 | Widget | ref(); |
| 04:48:21 | Widget | currentState->unref(); |
| 04:48:21 | Widget | currentState = this; |
| 04:48:21 | Widget | } |
| 04:48:27 | Widget | The topmost line being 479. |
| 04:48:27 | captain_proton | after that |
| 04:48:39 | captain_proton | insert, outside of any other ifs |
| 04:48:46 | captain_proton | err wait |
| 04:48:56 | captain_proton | just add those lines into doSetState() |
| 04:49:18 | Widget | Ubi est? |
| 04:50:13 | Widget | OK. |
| 04:50:21 | Widget | I can add it at the very top? |
| 04:50:25 | captain_proton | sure |
| 04:52:09 | Widget | And now I need to find another burrow flag. Botheration. |
| 04:52:49 | Widget | yay! I found Identify! |
| 04:53:48 | Widget | captain_proton: Now the streaking only starts when it's completely sunk into the ground. |
| 04:53:52 | Widget | captain_proton: But it's still there. |
| 04:54:38 | captain_proton | scoot the plane up another few centimeters |
| 04:54:44 | captain_proton | 0.075 |
| 04:55:10 | Widget | You're a slavedriver. |
| 04:57:44 | captain_proton | cracks the whip |
| 04:57:50 | Widget | Streaking still there. |
| 04:58:10 | Widget | captain_proton: Let as reach a mutually beneficial agreement. I demand keyboard support. |
| 05:01:22 | Widget | captain_proton: I am going out for dinner. |
| 05:01:26 | Widget | captain_proton: Yaaaaaaaaaaay! |
| 05:01:29 | Widget | captain_proton: So goodbye. |
| 05:01:35 | jpablo | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:01:37 | jpablo | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 05:01:39 | Widget | is away: So am I. |
| 05:02:08 | Widget | is away: And I'm not back! |
| 05:39:04 | jpablo | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:39:08 | jpablo | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 05:57:45 | jpablo | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:57:48 | jpablo | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 06:27:55 | kheb | is away: sleep |
| 06:53:39 | jpablo | bye people, i'm to bed |
| 06:58:02 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:03:30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:07:44 | iLLf8d | you home yet? |
| 07:08:27 | captain_proton | no |
| 10:30:21 | ritchie_ | hmm |
| 10:30:55 | akira_ | moin |
| 10:30:59 | | hello, Chestal |
| 10:30:59 | Chestal | hi |
| 10:31:01 | akira_ | hello BZFlag .. awake? |
| 11:02:05 | akira_ | Chestal: weisst du wo der explosion renderer reinkommt in die tanks? |
| 11:06:41 | Chestal | ne, aber deine Frage versteh ich auch nicht :-) |
| 11:07:33 | akira_ | also, ich will jetzt den observerbeschriftungskram machen |
| 11:08:34 | Chestal | ich hab leider vom Rendering in bzflag null Ahnung |
| 11:08:42 | akira_ | schade |
| 11:08:59 | Chestal | musste dich durchwuseln :-) |
| 11:09:12 | akira_ | mach ich grade |
| 11:09:37 | Chestal | wir koennten mal gegen avengers spielen, aber 2 Uhr nachts ist doch recht spaet |
| 11:10:13 | akira_ | jetzt hab ich pruefung hinter mir, ginge |
| 11:10:26 | Chestal | schriftlich oder muendlich? |
| 11:10:47 | akira_ | muendlich |
| 11:11:10 | Chestal | und? zufrieden? |
| 11:11:45 | akira_ | jo, 2.0 |
| 11:11:51 | akira_ | fuer das bisschen lernen ... |
| 11:15:27 | Chestal | punktemaessig lohnen sich die Avengers allerdings z.Z. kaum, die sind schon soweit unten |
| 11:15:43 | Chestal | die Teams mit neidrigem Ratign sollten mal gegeneinander spielen |
| 11:16:26 | akira_ | es lohnt sich KEIN team mehr fuer uns |
| 11:16:40 | Chestal | naja, schon |
| 11:16:53 | Chestal | bei avenegrs gaeb es halt nur noch 13 Punkte stat 25 bei nem gleichwertigen |
| 11:16:55 | akira_ | jetzt heisst es nur noch, mindestens einmal gegen teams zu spielen, die wir noch nicht besiegt hatten und uns die loops vom leibe zu halten |
| 11:19:47 | akira_ | aber ansonsten lohnen sich schwache gegner echt nicht mehr .. rein punktemaessig |
| 11:21:09 | Chestal | sichere Punkte sind auch nicht zu verschamehen :-) |
| 11:21:54 | Chestal | wobei die AVengers so schlecht gar nicht sind |
| 11:21:58 | akira_ | ok |
| 11:22:17 | Chestal | ich bin ueber jedes Match froh, hIs zum 2ten waere auch nicht verkehrt |
| 11:22:25 | Chestal | udn Rache an den Zees, wenn die sich irgendwann mal trauen |
| 11:22:54 | akira_ | rache an den zees steht bei mir GANZ oben |
| 11:23:00 | akira_ | danach erst die loops .. |
| 11:45:06 | akira_ | aaaah |
| 11:45:11 | akira_ | the apathy cream |
| 11:45:16 | akira_ | hello mr nice win32 guy |
| 11:45:34 | akira_ | question about rendering the tanks .. are you fit in ths specific kind of bzflag? |
| 11:45:36 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 11:46:00 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 11:46:31 | akira_ | i would like to add the name of the tank in observer mode .. so everyon could follow who is who |
| 11:46:39 | akira_ | need to know, wher i could add it .. |
| 11:47:16 | akira_ | tim said to me, i should take a closer look to the way, the explosion is rendered .. but i cant find any explosion rendering routine so perhaps you could help me out |
| 11:48:40 | MrApathyCream | in 1.8? |
| 11:49:13 | akira_ | 1.7 |
| 11:50:15 | MrApathyCream | ah, explosions i believe are billboard type objects, meaning they aren't really three-D things |
| 11:50:35 | MrApathyCream | they are just 2d things rendered perpendicular to the viewers line of site |
| 11:50:46 | akira_ | they are |
| 11:50:56 | akira_ | of coz, but where? |
| 11:51:06 | akira_ | couldnt see a renderEplosions |
| 11:51:59 | MrApathyCream | look at booleanaddExplosion(const float* _pos, |
| 11:52:00 | MrApathyCream | float size, float duration) |
| 11:52:11 | MrApathyCream | in src\bzflag\playing.cxx |
| 11:52:36 | akira_ | jo, seen that .. |
| 11:53:11 | dinah | nice to see doug is still gone |
| 11:53:33 | MrApathyCream | then the BillBoardScene node updates itself in |
| 11:53:35 | MrApathyCream | voidBillboardSceneNode::updateTime(float dt) |
| 11:53:39 | paulj | dinah is back! hi dinah. |
| 11:54:06 | dinah | paulj: im not back i just had a thought for a very nice patch... |
| 11:54:20 | paulj | ah no... stay back. |
| 11:54:50 | akira_ | ah,ok |
| 11:54:58 | dinah | see alot of us have five button mice, perhaps we could have #4 be zoom in for radar, and #5 zoom out? |
| 11:58:02 | dinah | or perhaps that was just a silly idea... :( |
| 12:01:55 | Chestal | dinah: not so silly, there already is zoom in and out in 1.8 |
| 12:01:57 | paulj | could do. a patch to make key and mouse bindings configurable would be good. (perhaps bz already supports it even? yes it does... see the .bzflag file. |
| 12:02:11 | paulj | i just dont know whether it supports extra mice buttons. |
| 12:02:26 | dinah | if X does cant bzflag? |
| 12:02:51 | akira_ | X _can_ handle 4 5 or more buttons |
| 12:04:28 | dinah | i would simply love not to have to keep one hand on the 1 2 3 keys all the time :( |
| 12:06:10 | akira_ | cu later all |
| 12:06:44 | Chestal | I wonder if 1.8 can use more then 3 buttons |
| 12:06:53 | Chestal | then it would be easy and just an entry in the config file |
| 12:11:45 | dinah | 1.8 *sigh* |
| 12:12:20 | Chestal | dinah: do you use software or hw rendering? |
| 12:12:37 | dinah | dri is hardware right? |
| 12:13:01 | Chestal | well, yes, except when it sayd dri indirect |
| 12:13:08 | Chestal | which video card? |
| 12:13:15 | Chestal | or X server? |
| 12:13:22 | dinah | ATI Radeon VE 64MB |
| 12:13:39 | Chestal | hmm, what does 'glxinfo' say? |
| 12:13:53 | Chestal | the "direct rendering:" line? |
| 12:14:07 | dinah | yes |
| 12:14:18 | Chestal | ok, then it's accelerated |
| 12:14:31 | Chestal | you can try and use software rendering of course, that might solve your problems, but it will be much slower probably |
| 12:15:18 | dinah | no, i remember how bad software rendering was :( |
| 12:15:22 | Chestal | try export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 and call glxinfo again |
| 12:15:39 | Chestal | hmm, ok, because this should revert to software rendering |
| 12:15:55 | dinah | what will that do? im scared ill break it |
| 12:16:01 | Chestal | I do not know enough of opengl or bzflag rendering to help you with depth buffer |
| 12:16:09 | Chestal | crs23 is the one with the most knowledge there I guess |
| 12:16:13 | akira_ | dinah |
| 12:16:17 | akira_ | whats your problem? |
| 12:16:39 | Chestal | akira: apparently with depth buffer set to on, rendering is broken for her |
| 12:16:40 | dinah | if i have "depth buffer" on most of the screen is blank |
| 12:17:01 | dinah | ill do it and take a screen shot if you like? |
| 12:17:33 | akira_ | yep |
| 12:20:23 | akira_ | hurry up, modem costs much |
| 12:20:27 | dinah | alright got one |
| 12:20:56 | | salut, strayer |
| 12:20:56 | strayer | hi |
| 12:21:00 | akira_ | hallo strayer |
| 12:21:27 | strayer | sry...akira...war gestern etwas geistig abwesend |
| 12:21:40 | akira_ | strayer: was war gestern? |
| 12:22:10 | strayer | akira ...weiss nimmer genau....irgendwas war glaube ich |
| 12:22:22 | strayer | glauben heisst nicht wissen |
| 12:23:28 | akira_ | dinah: oh, you use our patch :) |
| 12:23:40 | dinah | pardon? |
| 12:23:53 | akira_ | and you mean the wrong calculated shadows yeah? |
| 12:24:12 | akira_ | dinah: you use the patch from chestal and me |
| 12:24:17 | dinah | there should be buildings there, i cant see them |
| 12:24:41 | akira_ | its very dark your pictures :) |
| 12:24:46 | dinah | look at the radar |
| 12:25:13 | akira_ | ah, now i see it |
| 12:25:19 | dinah | compare with the hud view.... |
| 12:25:43 | akira_ | pretty clever |
| 12:25:48 | akira_ | which driver do you use? |
| 12:25:54 | dinah | its the same in 1.8 but the blank spots are full of garbage |
| 12:26:14 | dinah | DRI thats the driver right? |
| 12:26:15 | akira_ | seems to be a problem in you opengl implemenation (never trusted ati .. ) |
| 12:26:38 | akira_ | thats the hardware driver ... yeah .. but the opengl - libs are from? |
| 12:26:43 | dinah | hugs ati and its spectacular dual moniter capabilities |
| 12:26:57 | dinah | i dont know how to answer you |
| 12:27:34 | akira_ | likes nvidia for their pretty cool opengl support |
| 12:27:49 | akira_ | ok, do a ldd bzflag for me |
| 12:27:57 | akira_ | bzflag is the binary ... |
| 12:28:11 | dinah | ummm? :( |
| 12:28:49 | akira_ | ok, where is your bzflag binary? |
| 12:28:57 | akira_ | "which bzflag" ? |
| 12:29:23 | dinah | either, both are broken if depth buffer is on... |
| 12:29:34 | akira_ | ARGS |
| 12:29:39 | akira_ | gimme a favour .. |
| 12:29:40 | dinah | :( |
| 12:29:44 | akira_ | just type "which bzflag" |
| 12:29:50 | akira_ | dont think about it, do it |
| 12:30:31 | dinah | /usr/bin/which: no bzflag in (/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/dinah/bin:/home/dinah/bin) |
| 12:30:49 | akira_ | ok, where is the binary of your bzflag located? |
| 12:31:14 | dinah | in /home/dinah/Directory/bzflag/bin/ |
| 12:31:26 | akira_ | ok, fine ... |
| 12:31:35 | akira_ | then do a ldd /home/dinah/Directory/bzflag/bin/bzflag |
| 12:32:14 | dinah | my it has quite the bit of output... |
| 12:32:33 | akira_ | what? |
| 12:32:49 | dinah | 14 lines |
| 12:33:06 | akira_ | tell me the one with GL stuff |
| 12:33:25 | dinah | libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0x40035000) |
| 12:33:25 | dinah | libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x4004a000) |
| 12:34:39 | akira_ | ok, start bzflag and check the first messages in the controlpanel |
| 12:35:22 | akira_ | or wait |
| 12:35:40 | dinah | oh i got it if you want |
| 12:36:23 | akira_ | glxinfo |
| 12:36:34 | dinah | mesa DRI Radeon 20010402 AGP 1X X86/MMX/3Dnow! from the hud... |
| 12:36:56 | akira_ | ah, mesa |
| 12:37:08 | akira_ | and glxinfo ? |
| 12:37:21 | dinah | is very long... |
| 12:37:29 | akira_ | glxinfo | grep vender |
| 12:37:32 | akira_ | glxinfo | grep vendor |
| 12:37:46 | dinah | nothing |
| 12:37:56 | akira_ | glxinfo | grep version |
| 12:37:57 | dinah | oh vendor |
| 12:38:13 | dinah | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 12:38:13 | dinah | client glx vendor string: SGI |
| 12:38:13 | dinah | OpenGL vendor string: VA Linux Systems, Inc. |
| 12:39:01 | dinah | there was another Radeon usere in the official forums with the same problems, i believe |
| 12:39:07 | akira_ | in which color depth your system is running? |
| 12:39:31 | dinah | 16? maybe |
| 12:39:40 | akira_ | try to switch to 32 ... |
| 12:39:48 | akira_ | depthbuffer depends directly on it |
| 12:40:00 | dinah | how do i switch? |
| 12:40:30 | akira_ | edit you XF86Config |
| 12:40:50 | dinah | ahhh i know how to do that, alright back in a bit |
| 12:42:59 | dinah | hmm if i can remember where XF86Config-4 is.... |
| 12:43:13 | akira_ | locate XF86Config |
| 12:43:22 | akira_ | standard is /etc/X11/ |
| 12:45:01 | akira_ | hurry up |
| 12:45:12 | dinah | oh depth is 24 |
| 12:45:17 | akira_ | oha |
| 12:45:22 | akira_ | the first down to 16 |
| 12:45:24 | dinah | make it 32? |
| 12:45:38 | Chestal | AFAIK Xfree86 >=4.0 uses logical colour depth |
| 12:45:38 | akira_ | 16 needs less memory == faster |
| 12:45:52 | Chestal | that is you always specify 24, although it might be 32bit physically |
| 12:46:07 | Chestal | but GL works betetr for me with 16, too |
| 12:46:39 | dinah | is a GD and needs realistice colour depth... |
| 12:46:41 | akira_ | Chestal: but if you have z-fighting on your screen in large scenes, 32 bit colorbuffer are better |
| 12:46:56 | akira_ | coz the depthbuffer uses same depth as the colorbuffer |
| 12:47:09 | Chestal | well, yes, but I guess for bzflag it usually doesn't matter |
| 12:47:38 | akira_ | bzflag doesnt have very LARGE scenes ... but in observer mode you could recognize z-fighting |
| 12:47:46 | dinah | i see here in XF86Config: DefaultColorDepth 32 |
| 12:47:46 | dinah | Subsection "Display" |
| 12:47:46 | dinah | Depth 32 |
| 12:48:10 | akira_ | so what now? |
| 12:49:18 | dinah | now i wait for an option to turn "depth buffer" off in 1.8 |
| 12:49:43 | akira_ | no, i mean .. in what resolution is you x running now? |
| 12:50:00 | dinah | 1280x1024 |
| 12:50:08 | akira_ | and the colordepth? |
| 12:50:13 | dinah | at least on this moniter... |
| 12:50:53 | akira_ | do yu play bzflag distriubuted over 2 monitors? |
| 12:51:09 | dinah | no just on this one |
| 12:51:25 | akira_ | but the other is still on? |
| 12:51:32 | akira_ | and whats now with the colordepth? |
| 12:51:50 | dinah | i dint change the depth its the same as before |
| 12:52:53 | akira_ | so change it |
| 12:53:23 | dinah | but what line do i change if chestal said it may say 24 but is actually different? |
| 12:53:44 | Chestal | dinah: try and chnage the 24 in XF86Config-4 to 16 |
| 12:53:59 | dinah | which 24? DefaultDepth24 |
| 12:53:59 | dinah | Subsection "Display" |
| 12:53:59 | dinah | Depth 24 |
| 12:54:08 | akira_ | 16 |
| 12:54:16 | akira_ | try it with 16 |
| 12:54:29 | dinah | change both of them? |
| 12:54:29 | | dinah: that doesn't look right |
| 12:54:38 | akira_ | a highresolution and a high colordepth needs MUCH memory on the card |
| 12:54:58 | akira_ | yeah, both of them |
| 12:55:00 | | bugger all, i dunno, akira_ |
| 12:55:00 | akira_ | ibot: why not? |
| 12:55:03 | dinah | arrrrgh change bot of them or the first or the last !!!???? |
| 12:55:12 | dinah | oh alright thank you |
| 12:55:19 | Chestal | no, only Default |
| 12:55:35 | Chestal | actually, it depends |
| 12:55:40 | dinah | DefaultDepth16? |
| 12:55:41 | Chestal | do you have entries for all colour depths? |
| 12:55:53 | akira_ | i dont know how the rest of his XFree looks like .. in MY config there is only ONE depthentry ... |
| 12:56:00 | akira_ | Chestal: exacto |
| 12:56:07 | dinah | HIS!!!!!??? |
| 12:56:12 | Chestal | you need something like |
| 12:56:14 | Chestal | SubSection "Display" |
| 12:56:14 | Chestal | Depth 16 |
| 12:56:14 | Chestal | Modes "1280x1024" "1152x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" "400x |
| 12:56:14 | Chestal | EndSubSection |
| 12:56:27 | Chestal | if you only have an entry for Depth 24, then eithe rcopy that or change it |
| 12:56:51 | dinah | alright now i have: Subsection "Display" |
| 12:56:51 | dinah | Depth 16 |
| 12:56:51 | dinah | Modes "1280x1024" "1280x1024" |
| 12:56:52 | dinah | EndSubsection |
| 12:57:05 | dinah | restart X? |
| 12:57:13 | Chestal | you could add more resolutions, but that's fine for now |
| 12:57:14 | akira_ | restart X |
| 12:57:24 | akira_ | or startx on another "screen" |
| 12:57:24 | dinah | alright back in a sec |
| 12:57:33 | dinah | no thats a pain |
| 12:57:49 | akira_ | why ist startx -- :1 a pain? |
| 12:57:59 | Chestal | hi bryjen |
| 12:58:06 | bryjen | hi Chestal |
| 13:03:43 | | dinah is never going to play bzflag again |
| 13:03:43 | akira_ | where is dinah? |
| 13:03:54 | | dinah is never going to play bzflag again |
| 13:03:54 | akira_ | where is dinah? |
| 13:03:57 | akira_ | lol |
| 13:04:12 | akira_ | har |
| 13:04:15 | strayer_away | wenn man vom teufel trtscht |
| 13:04:17 | akira_ | so back |
| 13:04:21 | dinah | x wouldnt start, i had to use vi!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:04:28 | dinah | :-( |
| 13:05:09 | akira_ | har |
| 13:05:27 | akira_ | ok, i have to leave ... becomes to expensive ... |
| 13:05:30 | akira_ | cu |
| 13:05:34 | dinah | bye |
| 13:05:46 | akira_ | dinah: try to get x working in 16 bit depth ... |
| 13:11:24 | MortimeR | dinah: whay are you doing here? |
| 13:12:10 | dinah | i'd rather not explain the events responsible for my recient inexcusable behavior |
| 13:12:49 | bryjen | mind-altering substances? |
| 13:13:00 | dinah | i wish |
| 13:16:28 | bryjen | i've been trying to find something in our various web forums, perhaps somebody remembers.... |
| 13:17:05 | bryjen | did someone say they'd tracked the cheater "The Perfect Cell" to an ISP in Germany? |
| 13:17:13 | dinah | yes |
| 13:17:47 | bryjen | ack |
| 13:18:05 | dinah | Chestal |
| 13:18:05 | dinah | (2002-07-11 10:08:32) IP blocking is problematic to say the least for perfect cell. He dials into the internet via T-Online, the biggest German ISP. IPs are dynamically chosen from a large pool, so you would have to block myriads of IPs and would then block lots of other German players, too. |
| 13:18:51 | bryjen | wow. that was fast. good memory or quick look-up? |
| 13:19:10 | dinah | i remember things verywell |
| 13:20:48 | bryjen | someone's been cheating using that callsign on my server. i don't think the IPs are German tho. Registered to a Canadian company. Not too many hops away either. |
| 13:21:29 | dinah | knows all to well ip's are frequently meai |
| 13:21:38 | dinah | meaningless |
| 13:22:50 | dinah | is away: out |
| 13:22:53 | bryjen | i've seen it from 3 addresses, all in the same block. guessing its a dial-up luser. |
| 13:27:27 | Widget | dinah: It's not t-online, it's t-dialup. |
| 13:27:39 | Widget | Very big German dialup provider. |
| 13:28:56 | MortimeR | I think t-dialup apears in the ip name, but the provider is t-online |
| 13:32:30 | bryjen | somehow i doubt cell is clever enough to manage to fake his IP |
| 13:34:45 | strayer_away | he don't have to fake his IP if he has no static IP.... |
| 13:35:23 | strayer_away | or she.... |
| 13:39:43 | bryjen | yeah, its a dynamic IP, but it doesn't seem to be in Germany. traceroute goes only 8 hops from here (USA). whois says it belongs to a company in Ontario, Canada |
| 13:43:22 | bryjen | oh well, i shouldn't let some luser get me too worked up. |
| 13:44:17 | bryjen | takes a deep breath |
| 13:46:41 | dinah | is back (gone 00:23:51) |
| 13:47:06 | dinah | Widget: i just copied what is said in the forum |
| 13:47:06 | strayer_away | right U R bryjen |
| 13:52:19 | bryjen | its sad that i have to block a big chunk of IPs that are near my server. players from these probably had excellent ping times. |
| 13:54:18 | strayer_away | hm.....bad idea....for these players....maybe U should think about this 'solution' |
| 13:55:23 | dinah | bryjen: just kick him when he shows up |
| 13:57:38 | bryjen | all the connects i get from there might just be this same luser. there's not really that many. |
| 14:01:24 | [TeA] | hi akll |
| 14:01:27 | [TeA] | all |
| 14:01:29 | [TeA] | :) |
| 14:01:42 | bryjen | 'lo |
| 14:01:46 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:01:47 | bzbot | dinah (Green):2 (7 wins, 5 losses). deadtank=u (Red):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). bomber (penguins) (Red):4 (18 wins, 14 losses). |
| 14:01:47 | strayer_away | hi TeA |
| 14:01:52 | [TeA] | hi there |
| 14:04:14 | dinah | alright this boy deadtank=u on ducati is too mean, i quit again |
| 16:22:32 | dinah | allo everyone, go read a lovely educational childrens book at http://www.artemisgames.com/dinah/ :-) |
| 16:23:38 | patlabor221 | you shold make a story about a tank :) |
| 16:24:04 | dinah | any thoughts for a plot? |
| 16:24:17 | patlabor221 | This little tank goes to market? |
| 16:24:24 | kheb | is back (gone 09:56:30) |
| 16:24:37 | patlabor221 | and everyone is scared of him, well beacasue he's a tank |
| 16:24:44 | patlabor221 | but he just wants cookies |
| 16:25:20 | dinah | hmmm you wirte it, ill slap together some illustrations and turn it into a pdf, allright? |
| 16:25:31 | patlabor221 | so the bullys chalange him, and he beats them in a furious CTF match |
| 16:30:35 | patlabor221 | but I'm not good at telling stories |
| 16:31:17 | dinah | i think you were doing fine just now |
| 16:32:34 | patlabor221 | no I was rambaling |
| 16:32:55 | [TeA|TrEE] | its me tea |
| 16:50:31 | | thanks dinah :) |
| 16:50:31 | dinah | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:52:08 | patlabor221 | very quiet today it seems |
| 16:52:34 | dinah | yup, but iv gotten some chaps to have a look at my book :) |
| 16:53:07 | patlabor221 | I could put a counter on there so you can see how many |
| 16:53:32 | dinah | ohhh very high tech |
| 16:54:00 | patlabor221 | must now remember how |
| 17:42:25 | dinah | hello hello |
| 17:45:05 | akira_ | ok, hello dinah |
| 17:45:11 | akira_ | tried 16 bit depth ? |
| 17:45:18 | dinah | gave up |
| 17:45:18 | akira_ | hello patlabor221 |
| 17:45:25 | dinah | hes at lunch |
| 17:45:25 | akira_ | and the rest |
| 17:50:33 | strayer | hi akira |
| 17:53:46 | Chestal | hi akira, are tank labels working? :-) |
| 17:53:54 | [TeA|TrEE] | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:53:57 | akira_ | wasnt here for a while |
| 17:53:59 | [TeA|TrEE] | I SUCK :(((((((((((((((( |
| 17:54:03 | [TeA|TrEE] | IM SO BAD ;(((((((((( |
| 17:54:06 | akira_ | of coz you suck tea :) |
| 17:54:12 | [TeA|TrEE] | i know |
| 17:54:24 | [TeA|TrEE] | i should go out of thje league |
| 17:54:36 | akira_ | Chestal: i will now take a closer look to the code .. was at aldi for necessary food :) |
| 17:54:37 | Chestal | the green team was quite strong |
| 17:54:46 | [TeA|TrEE] | still i am bad |
| 17:54:56 | akira_ | tea? whats up with you? |
| 17:55:11 | [TeA|TrEE] | bad day |
| 17:55:13 | [TeA|TrEE] | :( |
| 17:55:19 | akira_ | abd why do you suck? |
| 17:55:28 | [TeA|TrEE] | because i play bad |
| 17:55:33 | akira_ | against who? |
| 17:55:35 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 17:55:35 | akira_ | chestal? |
| 17:55:39 | [TeA|TrEE] | everyone |
| 17:55:43 | | hmmm... akira is a student who will do a internship from 15-02-2002 on :) |
| 17:55:43 | akira_ | akira? |
| 17:55:52 | [TeA|TrEE] | tea? |
| 17:55:53 | akira_ | muhaahrhrhahaha |
| 17:56:02 | akira_ | chestal ... wie kommt das denn da rein? |
| 17:56:03 | [TeA|TrEE] | tea|tree? |
| 17:56:09 | [TeA|TrEE] | ich bin so schlechtttt |
| 17:56:12 | akira_ | [TeA|TrEE]? |
| 17:56:13 | [TeA|TrEE] | tschues |
| 17:56:18 | akira_ | gegen wen denn? |
| 17:56:46 | Chestal | akira: keine Ahnung, ich glaueb es reicht wenn ibot einen Satz der Form 'foo is ...' aufschnappt |
| 17:56:59 | akira_ | akira is a little idiot |
| 17:57:01 | | hmmm... akira is a student who will do a internship from 15-02-2002 on :) |
| 17:57:01 | akira_ | akira? |
| 17:57:06 | | Chestal: I forgot akira |
| 17:57:06 | Chestal | ibot: forget akira |
| 17:57:12 | akira_ | akira? |
| 17:57:15 | akira_ | akira is a little idiot |
| 17:57:16 | Chestal | akira is a big idiot |
| 17:57:17 | akira_ | akira? |
| 17:57:22 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:57:25 | | bugger all, i dunno, chestal |
| 17:57:25 | Chestal | ibot: akira? |
| 17:57:31 | Chestal | oh well, maybe not |
| 17:57:34 | | akira_: huh? |
| 17:57:34 | akira_ | ibot: tell me more |
| 17:57:47 | | ...but akira is a big idiot... |
| 17:57:47 | Chestal | ibot: akira is wondering how this stuff works |
| 17:57:50 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:57:52 | | akira_: huh? |
| 17:57:52 | akira_ | ibot: tell me more about hacking the worst e8 client ever |
| 17:58:01 | | akira_: what? |
| 17:58:01 | akira_ | ibot: you suck |
| 17:58:05 | Chestal | who is akira |
| 17:58:07 | | i guess akira is a big idiot |
| 17:58:07 | Chestal | who is akira? |
| 17:58:13 | | akira_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:58:13 | akira_ | ibot: you know what i mean ibot |
| 17:58:23 | | Chestal: I forgot akira |
| 17:58:23 | Chestal | ibot: forget akira |
| 17:58:24 | | akira_: I forgot akira |
| 17:58:24 | akira_ | ibot: forget akira |
| 17:58:31 | Chestal | moles? |
| 17:58:33 | akira_ | nice feature |
| 17:58:37 | Chestal | who are the moles? |
| 17:58:46 | | i don't know, akira_ |
| 17:58:46 | akira_ | ibot: moles? |
| 17:58:56 | | akira_: i'm not following you... |
| 17:58:56 | akira_ | ibot: come on, hurry up :) |
| 17:59:14 | | Chestal: Fatal error right in front of screen |
| 17:59:14 | Chestal | ibot: excuse |
| 17:59:23 | akira_ | the moles are little idiots .. they cant play bzflag |
| 17:59:30 | | the moles are unstopable |
| 17:59:30 | akira_ | ibot: the moles? |
| 17:59:36 | Chestal | hmm :-) |
| 17:59:38 | dinah | ;) |
| 17:59:39 | akira_ | har |
| 17:59:47 | | wish i knew, akira_ |
| 17:59:47 | akira_ | ibot: the loops? |
| 17:59:59 | | dinah is never going to play bzflag again |
| 17:59:59 | Chestal | who is dinah? |
| 18:00:09 | akira_ | who is strayer? |
| 18:00:10 | dinah | yup |
| 18:00:21 | akira_ | strayer? |
| 18:00:29 | | akira_: i'm not following you... |
| 18:00:29 | akira_ | ibot: du bist ne pflaume |
| 18:00:33 | akira_ | Widget: ? |
| 18:00:40 | | Widget is A very intellifent and discerning person that eats robots |
| 18:00:40 | akira_ | who is Widget? |
| 18:00:52 | akira_ | lol |
| 18:00:58 | akira_ | so, ich kuck mir jetzt den code an |
| 18:01:00 | akira_ | cu all |
| 18:01:12 | akira_ | dinah: buy a good card and DONT use enlightenment :) |
| 18:01:22 | akira_ | Chestal: MOLES 4 EVER :) |
| 18:01:26 | dinah | enlgihtenment? |
| 18:01:30 | Chestal | akira_: viel Erfolg |
| 18:01:31 | akira_ | wir brauchen noch nen kampfschrei |
| 18:01:39 | akira_ | dig dig dig dig |
| 18:01:46 | akira_ | we slayer every pig |
| 18:01:55 | dinah | i use sawfish... |
| 18:02:04 | akira_ | dinah: worse too :) |
| 18:02:10 | dinah | sigh |
| 18:02:34 | akira_ | what was the command to get the stats of ducati right now? |
| 18:02:55 | dinah | bzquery ducati 5156 |
| 18:03:04 | dinah | or not :-/ |
| 18:03:10 | akira_ | bzbot: bzquery ducati 5156 |
| 18:03:25 | akira_ | bzquery ducati:5156 |
| 18:03:36 | dinah | bzfquery ducati 5156 |
| 18:03:37 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:03:52 | dinah | bzfquerylong ducati 5156 |
| 18:03:53 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 18:04:00 | dinah | ah need the f |
| 18:04:10 | akira_ | ah |
| 18:04:11 | akira_ | ok |
| 18:04:13 | akira_ | thats all for now |
| 18:04:14 | akira_ | cu all |
| 18:04:27 | dinah | is sawfish really bad? |
| 18:04:46 | Chestal | I think sawfish is one of the best wm out there |
| 18:04:54 | Chestal | but I'm still using good old fvwm2 |
| 18:05:05 | dinah | then what did he mean "worse too" |
| 18:05:23 | Chestal | I didn't follow your conversation |
| 18:06:06 | dinah | he said dont you enlightenment, i said i use sawfish, he said thats bad aswell |
| 18:06:35 | Chestal | I don't know what he meant, maybe he was joking or it's just his personal taste |
| 18:06:49 | dinah | oh alright then |
| 18:38:51 | m0nkey_b0y | hillo |
| 18:39:27 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 18:39:35 | dinah | allo allo |
| 18:39:53 | m0nkey_b0y | are you all sleeping? |
| 18:40:00 | | dinah: wish i knew |
| 18:40:00 | dinah | ibot: m0nkey_b0y? |
| 18:40:02 | Chestal | yes |
| 18:40:14 | patlabor221 | sleeping no, it's just noon |
| 18:40:31 | m0nkey_b0y | your in california patlabor? |
| 18:40:45 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:40:56 | m0nkey_b0y | good guess :) |
| 18:41:03 | | i think m0nkey_b0y is carving mad slopes on his snowboard |
| 18:41:03 | dinah | ibot: m0nkey_b0y? |
| 18:41:13 | m0nkey_b0y | that rocks! |
| 18:41:18 | patlabor221 | well you had 3 states to chose from |
| 18:41:37 | m0nkey_b0y | i went with the big one |
| 18:42:06 | patlabor221 | and I don't think they have the internet in Oregon. |
| 18:42:12 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 18:42:25 | patlabor221 | you can't even pump your own gas there |
| 18:42:28 | m0nkey_b0y | do you know you can not pump your in gas in oregon? |
| 18:42:30 | m0nkey_b0y | ahh |
| 18:42:46 | patlabor221 | that state is wierd |
| 18:42:58 | m0nkey_b0y | yes... i thought utah was bad. |
| 18:43:22 | patlabor221 | I can't figure out if they just needed to increase the teen job market, or if they are populted by idiots |
| 18:43:31 | m0nkey_b0y | hehehe |
| 18:43:51 | m0nkey_b0y | when i drove through oregon...i just kept on going. |
| 18:44:35 | m0nkey_b0y | chestal have you been to the states? |
| 18:45:16 | m0nkey_b0y | he asleep at his puter... |
| 18:45:25 | Chestal | yes, thrice, and I told you before :-) |
| 18:45:42 | m0nkey_b0y | i am trying to wake you up :) |
| 18:45:51 | patlabor221 | I drove throuhg it to |
| 18:45:55 | Chestal | I'm doign my first steps with gpg here |
| 18:45:58 | Chestal | just created a key |
| 18:46:03 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh |
| 18:46:06 | Chestal | have used pgp 7 years ago, but I lost my private key |
| 18:46:21 | m0nkey_b0y | i forgot my key somewhere |
| 18:47:41 | m0nkey_b0y | how does ibot know i snowboard? |
| 18:47:45 | m0nkey_b0y | weird |
| 18:48:05 | dinah | m0nkey_b0y: i told ibot |
| 18:48:38 | m0nkey_b0y | i should start playing bz as "ibot" |
| 18:48:56 | | thanks dinah :) |
| 18:48:56 | dinah | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:49:03 | dinah | good bot :) |
| 18:50:05 | m0nkey_b0y | so no hot topics today? |
| 18:50:51 | dinah | um hot topic of the day; dinah's childrens book at http://www.artemisgames.com/dinah/ |
| 18:51:12 | m0nkey_b0y | for real? you have a book? |
| 18:51:21 | dinah | go be educated ;) |
| 18:51:31 | m0nkey_b0y | is it a horror book? |
| 18:51:50 | dinah | its a historical fiction i guess... |
| 18:52:32 | dinah | a few pages i cooked up as part of a charity job of sorts.. |
| 18:53:17 | m0nkey_b0y | this will take awhile..i am on 19.9 modem |
| 18:53:30 | patlabor221 | get the small one |
| 18:53:34 | dinah | i recomend you grab the small one then |
| 18:53:48 | m0nkey_b0y | its going....very very slowly |
| 18:53:54 | dinah | it'll probably still take a while... |
| 18:54:18 | m0nkey_b0y | i luv harrassing people with bzflag on this modem |
| 18:55:32 | m0nkey_b0y | ok patlabor..i have to ask. |
| 18:55:38 | m0nkey_b0y | emachine? |
| 18:55:46 | dinah | commands mozilla1.0 to install this time |
| 18:56:19 | m0nkey_b0y | they are cheap...i wonder if linux can run on it? |
| 18:56:31 | dinah | screams and kills GnoRPM |
| 18:56:33 | patlabor221 | well what one |
| 18:56:48 | patlabor221 | The realy cheap ones are not upgradable at all |
| 18:56:53 | patlabor221 | not even video |
| 18:57:06 | m0nkey_b0y | a 700 $ one :) p4, 256 ram, some vid card i never heard of |
| 18:57:09 | patlabor221 | but they do have some that are just like realy mahcines |
| 18:57:12 | | hmmm... card is in the supported list for pcnet.cs. it is an epson een10b. |
| 18:57:12 | patlabor221 | what card? |
| 18:57:27 | | dinah: I forgot card |
| 18:57:27 | dinah | ibot: forget card |
| 18:57:28 | patlabor221 | epson makes a chipset WTF? |
| 18:58:01 | m0nkey_b0y | i have never even seen an "emachine" till this morning. |
| 18:58:12 | patlabor221 | ohh I see them all the time |
| 18:58:16 | m0nkey_b0y | had an intel vid card?? |
| 18:58:25 | m0nkey_b0y | i was lost! |
| 18:58:26 | patlabor221 | eww |
| 18:58:37 | patlabor221 | proalby the 810 or 815 |
| 18:58:41 | m0nkey_b0y | didn't sound promising to me either :( |
| 18:58:44 | patlabor221 | that's not even a realy video card |
| 18:58:48 | m0nkey_b0y | yeah that was it |
| 18:58:54 | patlabor221 | it's the northbridge pretengind to be one |
| 18:59:02 | m0nkey_b0y | hmmm |
| 18:59:08 | m0nkey_b0y | thumbs down eh |
| 18:59:12 | patlabor221 | using it slows down the system |
| 18:59:31 | patlabor221 | you can get the parts for a decent machine for about the same price |
| 18:59:46 | m0nkey_b0y | thats where i keep ending up patlabor. |
| 18:59:56 | patlabor221 | thats all I ever do |
| 19:00:12 | patlabor221 | I have to build 3 durron 1 gigers in a bit |
| 19:00:21 | patlabor221 | and they are gonnna be less the 400 each |
| 19:00:24 | patlabor221 | with no monior |
| 19:00:27 | m0nkey_b0y | you sell them? |
| 19:00:45 | patlabor221 | I have been convinced to make them for some people |
| 19:00:52 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh |
| 19:00:56 | patlabor221 | but it's not what I do for a job |
| 19:01:35 | patlabor221 | how much you want to spend? |
| 19:01:37 | m0nkey_b0y | i will be so busy with my house..i don't want to build mine |
| 19:01:48 | m0nkey_b0y | not much over 500 |
| 19:01:55 | patlabor221 | wiht a monitor? |
| 19:02:08 | m0nkey_b0y | i'd like something like my machine at work. |
| 19:02:13 | m0nkey_b0y | monitor i will buy local |
| 19:02:21 | patlabor221 | what is your machine at work? |
| 19:02:46 | m0nkey_b0y | p3 1 gig, 512 ram, gforce 2 32m |
| 19:03:00 | m0nkey_b0y | cdr.. |
| 19:03:01 | patlabor221 | a durron will run that fast |
| 19:03:13 | m0nkey_b0y | hmmm |
| 19:03:24 | m0nkey_b0y | i need a gamer that runs linux |
| 19:03:35 | m0nkey_b0y | or dual boot |
| 19:03:43 | patlabor221 | CPU won't mater about that |
| 19:04:01 | patlabor221 | my moto is "P4 = Just pay more" |
| 19:04:17 | dinah | plays S.O.F. on linux, does that make her a "gamer"... |
| 19:04:28 | patlabor221 | unforntonlaty |
| 19:04:38 | patlabor221 | do you end any words with Z? |
| 19:04:44 | patlabor221 | or replace e's wiht 3's? |
| 19:04:55 | dinah | no, i hate people who do |
| 19:05:02 | patlabor221 | ok good |
| 19:05:22 | m0nkey_b0y | for realZ? |
| 19:05:25 | m0nkey_b0y | :) |
| 19:05:52 | dinah | places m0nkey_b0y on ignore for the required 5min punishment |
| 19:05:53 | patlabor221 | presently a P3 is runing about $70 more then a durron |
| 19:06:19 | patlabor221 | and I've use both side by side and and can't see a damed difrence |
| 19:06:34 | m0nkey_b0y | very interesting |
| 19:06:40 | patlabor221 | hell you can get a durron 1.3 giger for like $60 |
| 19:06:47 | m0nkey_b0y | noway |
| 19:06:58 | patlabor221 | where a P3 1.3 costs 160 |
| 19:07:13 | patlabor221 | those are just CPU prices |
| 19:07:15 | m0nkey_b0y | is there a long term difference? |
| 19:07:27 | m0nkey_b0y | i wonder why so cheap? |
| 19:07:28 | patlabor221 | well they use difrent motherbords |
| 19:07:33 | patlabor221 | cus it's not Intell |
| 19:07:37 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh |
| 19:07:50 | patlabor221 | AMD is realy trying to take over the low end market |
| 19:08:04 | dinah | yeah! AMD!!! ;) |
| 19:08:14 | patlabor221 | there low end CPUs are as cheap as cellys but bout as fast a P3s |
| 19:08:22 | m0nkey_b0y | too bad dinah is ignoring me...i like the book so far. |
| 19:08:36 | patlabor221 | heck you can get an Athalon XP1500 fro 63 too |
| 19:08:49 | dinah | has a AMD that will crush all other chips!!! |
| 19:08:56 | m0nkey_b0y | see i just suck at knowing hardware options. |
| 19:08:57 | patlabor221 | runs at 1.33 ghz and supports DDR |
| 19:09:21 | m0nkey_b0y | the girl at the pc shop wouldn't let me go home yesterday. |
| 19:09:24 | patlabor221 | you lookin at about $120 for a little XP and a Mobo |
| 19:09:42 | patlabor221 | 512 DDR about $100 |
| 19:09:52 | m0nkey_b0y | that is way cheap |
| 19:09:53 | patlabor221 | ether a radion VE or GF2 for about $50 |
| 19:09:58 | patlabor221 | then drives |
| 19:10:11 | dinah | lovingly strokes the compressor for her watercooling system... |
| 19:10:31 | m0nkey_b0y | i don't want a watercooler system though |
| 19:10:33 | patlabor221 | wonders why she needs it |
| 19:10:40 | m0nkey_b0y | is that necessary? |
| 19:10:43 | dinah | to be even faster |
| 19:10:45 | patlabor221 | reguar HS and fad is fine |
| 19:10:49 | patlabor221 | are you overclocking? |
| 19:10:55 | m0nkey_b0y | she must be |
| 19:10:57 | dinah | quite a bit |
| 19:11:01 | patlabor221 | how fast? |
| 19:11:08 | dinah | i havent a clue |
| 19:11:43 | patlabor221 | I don't OC my XP1900+ and it runs fine with a $12 fan |
| 19:11:51 | dinah | percy seemed to really enjoy setting it all up though... |
| 19:12:11 | patlabor221 | prialby running 166 fsb |
| 19:12:49 | dinah | my chip is 1.744GHrz to begin with... |
| 19:13:08 | patlabor221 | tought it was an XP 1600 |
| 19:13:44 | dinah | book says A7V266-E, Via KT266A chipset |
| 19:13:47 | patlabor221 | cus that speed would make it an XP2100+ |
| 19:14:00 | patlabor221 | thats the motherboard not the CPU |
| 19:14:39 | dinah | it says in Sysinfo XP1700+ |
| 19:15:02 | patlabor221 | that puts your base at 1.47 |
| 19:15:20 | patlabor221 | he proalby bumped you to 1.7 or 1.8 |
| 19:15:21 | dinah | its also says cpu Mhz 1744.358 |
| 19:15:29 | patlabor221 | he bumped you to 1.7 |
| 19:15:36 | patlabor221 | not bad |
| 19:16:06 | patlabor221 | I preslty run 1.6 |
| 19:16:32 | dinah | whats all this stuff under flags? |
| 19:16:44 | m0nkey_b0y | man...that story made me sad. |
| 19:16:44 | patlabor221 | what does it say? |
| 19:17:03 | dinah | fpu vme de pse and on and on... |
| 19:17:16 | dinah | m0nkey_b0y: based on a true story |
| 19:17:25 | m0nkey_b0y | saw that |
| 19:17:53 | dinah | one little inacuracy though, there were 8 coffins not 7 |
| 19:18:02 | m0nkey_b0y | well i am sad. |
| 19:18:13 | dinah | but educated yes? |
| 19:18:14 | m0nkey_b0y | sorry to interupt patlabor. |
| 19:18:25 | m0nkey_b0y | yes dinah. |
| 19:18:31 | dinah | :) |
| 19:19:18 | | i think patlabor221 is the purveyor of all useless knowledge. |
| 19:19:18 | dinah | ibot: patlabor221? |
| 19:19:32 | m0nkey_b0y | ibot is wrong. |
| 19:19:43 | dinah | shall we fix it? |
| 19:19:46 | m0nkey_b0y | yes |
| 19:20:05 | m0nkey_b0y | he knows his puters. |
| 19:20:16 | | ...but patlabor221 is the purveyor of all useless knowledge.... |
| 19:20:16 | dinah | ibot: patlabor221 is the purveyor of all usefull knowledge. |
| 19:20:24 | | ...but patlabor221 is the purveyor of all useless knowledge.... |
| 19:20:24 | dinah | ibot: no, patlabor221 is the purveyor of all usefull knowledge. |
| 19:20:49 | | it has been said that patlabor221 is the purveyor of all usefull knowledge. |
| 19:20:49 | dinah | ibot: patlabor221?? |
| 19:20:53 | dinah | there |
| 19:20:57 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 19:21:05 | patlabor221 | I don't know what those flags are |
| 19:21:15 | patlabor221 | fpu means floating point unit |
| 19:21:20 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh |
| 19:21:27 | patlabor221 | vme it's proalby virtual memory something |
| 19:21:29 | dinah | there are a ton of them, the last one is 3dnow |
| 19:21:41 | patlabor221 | ok then those are the processor options |
| 19:22:18 | dinah | alright then what on earth is bogomips? |
| 19:23:28 | m0nkey_b0y | definition of BogoMips as ''the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing.'' |
| 19:23:47 | dinah | hmmm |
| 19:24:21 | patlabor221 | mips means "million instructons per second" |
| 19:24:30 | patlabor221 | it's a measure of processor speed |
| 19:24:46 | | bogomips is probably a funny word |
| 19:24:46 | dinah | ibot: bogomips? |
| 19:24:58 | m0nkey_b0y | BogoMips are Linus's invention. The kernel (or was it a device driver?) needs a timing loop (the time is too short and/or needs to be too exact for a non-busy-loop method of waiting), which must be calibrated to the processor speed of the machine. Hence, the kernel measures at boot time how fast a certain kind of busy loop runs on a computer. "Bogo" comes from "bogus", i.e, something which is a fake. Hence, the BogoMips value gives some indication of th |
| 19:25:13 | m0nkey_b0y | sorry..i went googlizing |
| 19:25:39 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 19:25:44 | | m0nkey_b0y is slaming a case of Dew and busting fly tricks on his bike |
| 19:25:44 | dinah | ibot: m0nkey_b0y? |
| 19:25:51 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 19:25:53 | patlabor221 | so it's just the timing factor for the clock |
| 19:26:07 | dinah | then fast is good? |
| 19:26:12 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:26:13 | m0nkey_b0y | sounds like it patlabor. i always wondered. |
| 19:26:17 | patlabor221 | but it dosn't realy many anyting |
| 19:26:27 | patlabor221 | mean not many |
| 19:26:40 | dinah | i gathered thats what you meant |
| 19:27:12 | patlabor221 | I still have a bandage on my finger, still hard to type |
| 19:27:21 | akira_ | hello |
| 19:27:23 | akira_ | hehe |
| 19:27:26 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 19:27:29 | | well, there is not here |
| 19:27:29 | akira_ | BZFlag: there? |
| 19:27:41 | akira_ | shut up ibot :) |
| 19:28:04 | akira_ | oha, a loop is here .. hi m0nkey_b0y |
| 19:28:20 | dinah | hates the loops |
| 19:28:30 | akira_ | shout it out: TIM .. WHERE ARE YOU ? :) |
| 19:28:39 | | loops are mean |
| 19:28:39 | dinah | ibot: loops? |
| 19:28:53 | akira_ | loves the loops |
| 19:30:58 | m0nkey_b0y | hi akira |
| 19:31:10 | m0nkey_b0y | was looking at my bogomips |
| 19:31:37 | m0nkey_b0y | ...rumors rumors rumors...loops loops loops.... |
| 19:31:54 | akira_ | rumors? |
| 19:32:36 | akira_ | Calibrating delay loop... 1998.84 BogoMIPS |
| 19:33:39 | patlabor221 | that's a lot of ips |
| 19:33:47 | m0nkey_b0y | 1992.29 BogoMIPS |
| 19:34:13 | patlabor221 | ohhh it looks like akira is more manly then the monkey |
| 19:34:18 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 19:34:26 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: 1 gig athlon? |
| 19:34:30 | m0nkey_b0y | i am more primate |
| 19:34:36 | m0nkey_b0y | 1 gig p3 |
| 19:34:42 | akira_ | har |
| 19:34:53 | akira_ | at least the delay loop is equal .. |
| 19:35:07 | akira_ | but my athlon rape your p3 the heart out :) |
| 19:35:37 | m0nkey_b0y | on the battlefield?? |
| 19:35:42 | m0nkey_b0y | :) |
| 19:35:46 | akira_ | HAR :)))) |
| 19:35:49 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 19:35:51 | patlabor221 | how do you rape a hart? |
| 19:35:52 | akira_ | is this a challenge? |
| 19:36:00 | m0nkey_b0y | 1 v 1? |
| 19:36:01 | patlabor221 | that would be nasty |
| 19:36:03 | patlabor221 | and messy |
| 19:36:18 | akira_ | with a spoon patlabor221 |
| 19:36:29 | patlabor221 | Cus it hurts more!!!!!! |
| 19:36:56 | akira_ | coz its slower :)) |
| 19:37:13 | akira_ | patlabor221: are you a regular bz - developer? |
| 19:37:36 | dinah | he has his own game akira_ |
| 19:37:38 | patlabor221 | not any more |
| 19:37:48 | akira_ | so what ? |
| 19:37:48 | patlabor221 | did some stuff a long while ago |
| 19:37:59 | patlabor221 | now I just make a map editor |
| 19:38:04 | akira_ | ok, did you know the way the explosions where made? |
| 19:38:06 | patlabor221 | and test stuff |
| 19:38:12 | patlabor221 | and complain a lot |
| 19:38:16 | patlabor221 | no I don't |
| 19:38:22 | akira_ | ok |
| 19:38:35 | m0nkey_b0y | bullet hits..tank go boom |
| 19:38:53 | akira_ | i am thinking about the way, the playernames could be displayed in observer/normal mode |
| 19:38:56 | patlabor221 | isn't it just a billboard with an animated texture |
| 19:39:05 | akira_ | its a just a billboard |
| 19:39:22 | patlabor221 | yeah shuld be trivial to put a text one in |
| 19:39:34 | akira_ | but i have to talk to tim coz i COULD do it in a way but i want to do it in the bzway ... |
| 19:39:39 | patlabor221 | rotate a quad the oposet way of the camera view |
| 19:40:05 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:40:29 | patlabor221 | are explosions scene nodes |
| 19:40:49 | akira_ | yep they are |
| 19:40:51 | akira_ | but static |
| 19:41:16 | patlabor221 | best would be to just derive off one of those and hook text into int |
| 19:41:19 | akira_ | they have a counter which counts to zero .. (duration :) ) and then the circus is over |
| 19:41:34 | m0nkey_b0y | i am off..tnx patlabor for puter info |
| 19:41:39 | m0nkey_b0y | tnx dinah for book |
| 19:41:43 | patlabor221 | never relay understood all that scene node stuff |
| 19:41:47 | patlabor221 | see ya |
| 19:41:54 | m0nkey_b0y | cya soon akira??? some 1 v 1??? ;) |
| 19:41:54 | dinah | byr m0nkey_b0y |
| 19:42:16 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: not now, perhaps tomorrow |
| 19:42:23 | akira_ | i am at home -> 1 second lag |
| 19:42:24 | m0nkey_b0y | ok..cya then |
| 19:42:30 | m0nkey_b0y | me too..19.9 modem |
| 19:43:51 | akira_ | who else is developer here? |
| 19:44:14 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 19:44:20 | akira_ | patlabor221: problem is, the node has to be attached to the player and i would like to discuss the way the "link" should be implemented |
| 19:44:46 | patlabor221 | that link stuff is nasty |
| 19:45:07 | patlabor221 | I can see why they did it, but there must be a beter way |
| 19:45:11 | akira_ | yep .. especially in "old" bzflag :) |
| 19:45:35 | patlabor221 | that's what took me the most time to get right with my editor |
| 19:45:48 | patlabor221 | that and drawing a perfect teleporter |
| 19:45:55 | patlabor221 | brb |
| 19:45:57 | akira_ | in OpenSG i would just do a tanknode->addChild(textnode); :) |
| 19:47:53 | patlabor221 | well there is nothing saying you can't add a child list to the tanks |
| 19:48:13 | patlabor221 | that would be usefull for other things too |
| 19:48:31 | patlabor221 | how is the flag atached? |
| 19:49:56 | akira_ | good question .. perhaps i will take a closer look in this direction |
| 19:49:59 | akira_ | ok bye for now |
| 19:50:01 | akira_ | cu all |
| 19:50:03 | patlabor221 | see ya |
| 19:59:14 | Widget | hihihi, Skipp. |
| 19:59:19 | Skipp | hey |
| 19:59:22 | Skipp | how r u |
| 19:59:51 | Widget | Well. You? |
| 20:00:05 | Skipp | tired, just got home from a 3 hr. band camp |
| 20:16:46 | Widget | Skipp: Aw..... pobrecito. |
| 20:18:18 | Widget | Salve, jpablo. |
| 20:19:24 | jpablo | salve, Widget. |
| 20:19:41 | Widget | jpablo: Num Latina doctum es? |
| 20:19:53 | jpablo | wha !? |
| 20:20:26 | Widget | Salve Latina es. |
| 20:21:12 | Widget | Ille quoque lingua Hispania es? |
| 20:21:15 | Widget | Ille quoque lingua Hispania est? |
| 20:22:08 | Widget | "Salve" quoque verbum in lingua Hispania est? |
| 20:22:30 | Widget | jpablo: Is Salve also a Spanish word? |
| 20:22:38 | dinah | hehehe |
| 20:23:14 | Widget | dinah: I ask you! What with this "modern education", children don't learn their Latin properly. |
| 20:23:22 | jpablo | Widget: no. |
| 20:23:38 | jpablo | Widget: i just remeber: 'Salve Cesar'. |
| 20:23:41 | Widget | jpablo: Oh. In Italian I know that people still great each other with "Salve", as they did in Roman times. |
| 20:23:45 | jpablo | and somewhat think what it means. |
| 20:24:00 | dinah | Widget: i am doing my part to educate todays children, you should see my book |
| 20:24:17 | Widget | jpablo: That's "Salve Cæsar". |
| 20:24:38 | Widget | dinah: Is it finished? And published? |
| 20:25:06 | dinah | its a childrens book, bit of a charity job for the old orphanage |
| 20:25:34 | Widget | jpablo: Salvere means to be in good health. "Salve" is the imperative. It means "be in good health". The Romans used it as a greeting. |
| 20:25:48 | Widget | jpablo: Along with the salutation "Ave" (Hail). |
| 20:25:59 | Widget | dinah: Ah, I should like to see that. |
| 20:26:15 | Widget | dinah: Ça coûte combien? |
| 20:26:31 | dinah | Widget: http://www.artemisgames.com/dinah/ bonus points if you spot the historical inacuracy |
| 20:26:59 | Widget | dinah: Historical inaccuracy? What do you mean by that... an anachronism? |
| 20:27:14 | dinah | no i left out one major fact |
| 20:27:18 | Widget | Ohhhhhhh. |
| 20:28:15 | Widget | 71% downloaded. |
| 20:28:33 | dinah | little one i take it? |
| 20:28:55 | Widget | Yes. |
| 20:29:04 | Widget | Eep! I thought it was a popup when it came and I almost closed it! |
| 20:29:13 | dinah | i forget do you use linux or win? |
| 20:29:26 | patlabor221 | he's a mac guy |
| 20:29:37 | Widget | Mac OS. |
| 20:29:49 | Widget | dinah: ¿Proque? Does it work better in one or the other? |
| 20:30:11 | dinah | oh, well tell me when it opens what it looks like, on linux i have to zoom out to get the right size |
| 20:30:34 | Widget | is crying already. |
| 20:30:39 | Widget | Oh, it's just the right size. |
| 20:30:51 | dinah | but apparently it looks right on windows, should be 800x600? |
| 20:31:52 | Widget | dinah: I don't know the size. |
| 20:32:14 | dinah | Widget just tell me does the text look at all fuzzy? |
| 20:32:27 | Widget | dinah: Slightly distorted. |
| 20:32:32 | Widget | dinah: Not precisely fuzzy. |
| 20:32:50 | dinah | would you send me a screen shot? please |
| 20:33:11 | dinah | or just a piece of a shot... |
| 20:38:03 | Widget | dinah: OK, it is up on the web, but I must take it down quickly because I am using a friend's webspace. It is at http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/dinah.jpg |
| 20:38:32 | Widget | By the way, "selebrated" is spelled with a "c". |
| 20:39:02 | dinah | yes, thats how it looks on linux, try to zoom out a bit... |
| 20:39:18 | dinah | argh i hate spelling... |
| 20:39:32 | Widget | Oh, yes, and "missfortunate" has one "s". |
| 20:39:44 | Widget | By the way, what was that website where one could plug in a hostname and get the geographic location? |
| 20:40:05 | Widget | Chestal says the Citylink webpage is hosted in Hong Kong. |
| 20:40:07 | dinah | please make notes of any errors and their page numbers for me? |
| 20:40:16 | Widget | OK, but I'm a bad proofreader. |
| 20:40:57 | dinah | the site... try umm just a sec... |
| 20:41:03 | dinah | http://www.xpenguin.com/plot.php |
| 20:41:32 | Widget | Ah, Merci. |
| 20:42:15 | dinah | patlabor221: look at widgets screen shot, is that how it looks to you? (i hope not) |
| 20:42:40 | Widget | dinah: BTW, what is this artemisgames.com place? |
| 20:43:13 | dinah | its the site of a kind handsome man who was generous enough to host for me |
| 20:43:59 | Widget | There, you see? citylink.co.nz is in Wellington, North Island, New Zealand! |
| 20:44:05 | Widget | Not Hong Kong, as Chestal said. |
| 20:44:23 | dinah | this type of thing is not always the most acurate you know |
| 20:45:01 | patlabor221 | wonders if dinah is talking about him. |
| 20:45:11 | dinah | ;) you know it |
| 20:47:45 | Widget | Page 2, "selebrated". Page 3, "missfortunate". Page 5, "recorse". Page 6, "onehundred". Page 8, "by the cities charity" |
| 20:47:49 | Widget | All the ones I could find. |
| 20:48:22 | dinah | thank you |
| 20:48:43 | Widget | No trouble. |
| 20:48:54 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:48:54 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: -7 | Green: 4 players, score: 7 | |
| 20:48:58 | Widget | Fooey. |
| 20:49:05 | dinah | still no bonus points for you though |
| 20:49:23 | Widget | I hadn't even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire before you told me. |
| 20:49:30 | Widget | Rather, before I read the book. |
| 20:50:28 | dinah | educates the masses ;) |
| 20:52:03 | Widget | dinah has turned into a proper nob, referring to these people as "the masses". |
| 20:52:15 | dinah | ;) all in good fun |
| 20:55:02 | Widget | Hm.... the ¤ has overtaken the $. |
| 20:55:19 | dinah | behold the power of europe |
| 20:55:28 | patlabor221 | I just call them "sheep" |
| 20:55:34 | dinah | lol |
| 20:55:43 | Widget | dinah: I thought you were pro £, though? |
| 20:56:51 | dinah | i am but anyhting from wurope is good |
| 20:56:59 | | hmmm... Really is that hard to set up? I have the USB cradle/synch/charger... |
| 20:56:59 | Widget | Really? |
| 20:57:08 | Widget | You do not believe in "splendid isolation"? |
| 20:57:18 | dinah | the ¢ is atill a long way from the £ |
| 20:57:26 | Widget | Yes, obviously. |
| 20:57:30 | dinah | opps wrong key... |
| 20:57:37 | dinah | ¤ |
| 20:57:39 | Widget | But ¢ > ¥. |
| 20:57:42 | Widget | Oh. |
| 20:57:44 | Widget | That is true. |
| 21:03:17 | Widget | dinah: So you are not a believer in "splendid isolation"? |
| 21:03:56 | dinah | think if i was, would i use the net? |
| 21:05:15 | Widget | No, splendid isolation as in not having anything to do with Europe. |
| 21:05:17 | Widget | Politically. |
| 21:05:23 | dinah | bah |
| 21:14:44 | dinah | wonders how to spell "missfortunate" |
| 21:17:41 | patlabor221 | misfortunate |
| 21:17:53 | patlabor221 | so says the spell checker |
| 21:18:09 | dinah | ah |
| 21:19:13 | dinah | whats the diffence twix post script and encapsulated post script? |
| 21:19:36 | patlabor221 | post script is what is sent to a printer |
| 21:19:49 | patlabor221 | EPS is a file format that contains postecript |
| 21:19:57 | patlabor221 | including fonts and such |
| 21:20:01 | patlabor221 | iir |
| 21:20:43 | jpablo | postscript is really a languaje :D |
| 21:20:47 | dinah | but i can save files as post script and encapsulated, which is better? |
| 21:21:06 | patlabor221 | encapuslated I think |
| 21:21:35 | dinah | argh, now to convert... |
| 21:24:47 | dinah | oh bother! i left page 4 out of the pdf!!! how silly... |
| 21:28:36 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:28:37 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: 7 | Green: 4 players, score: -7 | |
| 21:41:15 | doughecka | hey patlabor221 |
| 22:13:59 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 22:14:11 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:47:01 | Widget | Hi, Mac. |
| 22:47:09 | Widget | doughecka |
| 22:47:12 | Widget | hugdecka |
| 22:58:43 | captain_proton | hi all |
| 22:58:44 | Widget | HIHIHI, captain_proton. |
| 22:58:51 | Widget | http://www.atoker.com/phonic/ |
| 22:59:01 | Widget | Isn't it preeeeeeeety? |
| 23:00:11 | Widget | Bman: Hello, are you from Fairfax, Virginia? |
| 23:00:41 | Bman | nope |
| 23:03:38 | Widget | Downington, Pennsylvania. |
| 23:06:28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:06:41 | captain_proton | i have a potentially Good Idea |
| 23:06:45 | Widget | Uh oh. |
| 23:07:14 | captain_proton | generating music via ordered systems |
| 23:07:20 | captain_proton | like strange attractors |
| 23:22:36 | captain_proton | they're LEAVING ME |
| 23:22:46 | patlabor221 | did you fart or something? |
| 23:24:03 | captain_proton | not even |
| 23:25:15 | patlabor221 | maybe the dog did |
| 23:30:13 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 23:33:10 | captain_proton | anybody up for giving me some console output? ;) |
| 23:34:23 | patlabor221 | I cna't gotta go to Job #2 in a bit |
| 23:34:28 | patlabor221 | I posibly can when I'm there |
| 23:34:46 | captain_proton | job @2? |
| 23:34:51 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:34:54 | patlabor221 | I have 2 of em |
| 23:35:05 | patlabor221 | bith incredibly booring |
| 23:35:22 | captain_proton | what exactly is it that you do? |
| 23:35:28 | patlabor221 | one I'm going to in a bit is writing e-bay acution management software |
| 23:35:46 | patlabor221 | the one I'm at now is writing Cad/Cam software |
| 23:36:26 | captain_proton | aha |
| 23:38:12 | captain_proton | considers getting involved in CRISP |
| 23:38:52 | patlabor221 | the editor or the biometric database? |
| 23:39:02 | captain_proton | neither |
| 23:39:08 | captain_proton | Cross Registry Information Service Protocol |
| 23:39:16 | captain_proton | new ietf working group |
| 23:39:16 | | it has been said that that is the point you dumb idiot |
| 23:39:16 | patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 23:39:41 | | patlabor221: excuse me? |
| 23:39:41 | patlabor221 | Ibot: SHUT IT!!! |
| 23:40:04 | patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 23:40:36 | captain_proton | they're trying to clean up all this verisign/IANA/ICANN mess |
| 23:40:43 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 23:45:02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: care to run some code and give me console output? |
| 23:45:50 | doughecka | hey captain_proton |
| 23:47:21 | patlabor221 | is off to he bat cave |
| 23:47:31 | doughecka | hehe |
