| 00:18:39 | | wish i knew, doughecka |
| 00:18:39 | doughecka | ibot snee? |
| 00:18:39 | doughecka | thought so |
| 00:18:44 | doughecka | dsl failed |
| 00:31:38 | angelina | hi |
| 00:33:17 | jacques | hello |
| 01:24:07 | doughecka | lo captain_proton |
| 01:24:12 | doughecka | back from japan? |
| 01:24:13 | jzaun | hello CP |
| 01:25:39 | captain_proton | nope, i'm here from japan |
| 01:25:45 | doughecka | oh cool |
| 01:25:51 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:25:53 | captain_proton | yukyuk @ apathy's ogg fix |
| 01:26:00 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:26:01 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:26:24 | captain_proton | do you even know what is yucky about it? |
| 01:26:31 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:26:40 | doughecka | it dont even compile |
| 01:26:46 | doughecka | (for me at least) |
| 01:27:08 | captain_proton | no, wrong |
| 01:27:16 | doughecka | ok |
| 01:27:20 | doughecka | so tell me... |
| 01:27:21 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:27:41 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 01:27:57 | doughecka | is this lag? |
| 01:28:10 | doughecka | I cant get a ping back |
| 01:28:22 | captain_proton | ping back from where? |
| 01:28:26 | doughecka | you |
| 01:28:36 | captain_proton | probably just the client that i'm on |
| 01:28:40 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:29:05 | lament | are there games like bzflag but less frustrating? :) |
| 01:29:17 | doughecka | checkers |
| 01:29:31 | doughecka | um |
| 01:29:45 | captain_proton | minesweeper |
| 01:29:58 | lament | minesweeper is not like bzflag. |
| 01:29:59 | doughecka | captain_proton: how are you connected? It shows you are in Boulder, Colorado |
| 01:30:30 | lament | And it's only marginally less frustrating. |
| 01:30:30 | lament | And checkers I don't like. |
| 01:30:35 | doughecka | chess |
| 01:30:47 | doughecka | soccer |
| 01:30:49 | captain_proton | doughecka: sshed into a linux box, irssi'ing in |
| 01:30:55 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:30:56 | doughecka | nice |
| 01:30:57 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:31:28 | doughecka | basketball |
| 01:31:30 | doughecka | etc |
| 01:31:43 | captain_proton | 'On since Tue Jul 9 19:25 (MDT) on pts/3 from p1009-ipadfx01sapodori.hokkaido.on.ne.jp' |
| 01:31:47 | lament | bah |
| 01:31:53 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:32:07 | doughecka | captain_proton: thats a long domain |
| 01:32:18 | captain_proton | doughecka: that it is |
| 01:32:37 | doughecka | bah |
| 01:33:17 | captain_proton | ergg |
| 01:33:22 | captain_proton | i need to talk to tim |
| 01:33:30 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:33:33 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 16 hours, 32 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen andersee [Tue Jul 9 10:01:11 2002] |
| 01:33:33 | doughecka | ibot seen bzflag |
| 01:34:05 | Widget | Curses. |
| 01:34:14 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:34:26 | lament | Soccer and basketball are certainly less frustrating, but people usually get hurt. |
| 01:34:35 | doughecka | and in bzflag you dont? |
| 01:34:41 | doughecka | lo Patlabor221 |
| 01:34:43 | Widget | Say I have a linked list, with the traverser pointer pointing to the last element... how do I create a new node at traverser->next? |
| 01:34:46 | captain_proton | heya Patlabor221 |
| 01:34:50 | Widget | hihihi, Patlabor221. |
| 01:34:56 | lament | doughecka: bzflag is a computer game is what i mean :) |
| 01:35:00 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:35:02 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:35:10 | captain_proton | Widget: allocate a new node, set that node's next to NULL, set traverser->next to the address of the node |
| 01:35:36 | Widget | captain_proton: But all the new nodes have to be declared at the beginning of the function! |
| 01:35:49 | captain_proton | lament: bzflag is only frustrating until you get a feel for the controls |
| 01:35:53 | captain_proton | Widget: huh? |
| 01:36:05 | doughecka | true |
| 01:36:40 | Widget | captain_proton: I have a typedef struct for the node. Now, to create a new node, I have to declare it PROTONODE *newNode;. But I can only declare new variables at the beginning of a function. |
| 01:37:17 | lament | captain_proton: Do you know ARC? In many aspects it's a lot like BZFlag, but top-down. And you don't have to turn. Now in ARC, when I get hit, I instantly know that that's because I suck, and not because my tank doesn't turn fast enough |
| 01:37:32 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:37:36 | captain_proton | Widget: define the pointer at the beginning of the function |
| 01:37:47 | captain_proton | Widget: allocate the node in the middle of the function |
| 01:37:59 | Widget | captain_proton: But what if I have to allocate many nodes? |
| 01:38:05 | Widget | captain_proton: I don't know how many nodes I will have to allocate. |
| 01:38:10 | captain_proton | Widget: you reassign the pointer |
| 01:38:27 | Widget | Wow... I'm confused. |
| 01:38:30 | captain_proton | after you've inserted into the list, you can change the value of the pointer to a different node, since its referenced inside the list |
| 01:38:31 | Widget | OK, I think I understand. |
| 01:38:33 | Widget | Let me try. |
| 01:38:35 | captain_proton | you do know how pointers work? |
| 01:39:30 | captain_proton | since tim isn't here, opinions on RS? |
| 01:39:44 | doughecka | RS? |
| 01:40:22 | Widget | Hm.. OK, I declared PROTONODE *temp; at the beginning of the function. But when I say traverser->next = temp; later in the function, it says assignment between incompatible pointer types. |
| 01:40:33 | captain_proton | rear shot |
| 01:40:41 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:40:46 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:41:01 | captain_proton | Widget: show me your PROTONODE struct |
| 01:41:09 | doughecka | it would be hard to shoot? |
| 01:41:11 | Widget | typedef struct |
| 01:41:12 | Widget | { |
| 01:41:12 | Widget | char employeeName[100]; |
| 01:41:12 | Widget | float employeeSalary; |
| 01:41:12 | Widget | struct PROTONODE *next; |
| 01:41:13 | Widget | } PROTONODE; |
| 01:41:20 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:41:42 | captain_proton | Widget: try killing the 'struct' in 'struct PROTONODE *next;' |
| 01:41:59 | captain_proton | doughecka: shoots both forward and backwards if you have available shots |
| 01:42:07 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:42:15 | Widget | captain_proton: Lots of errors. |
| 01:42:18 | captain_proton | probably best for if you've got an SW pursuer, grab, shoot, destroy |
| 01:42:21 | doughecka | I think that would be neat |
| 01:42:25 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: parse error before `PROTONODE' |
| 01:42:25 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union |
| 01:42:25 | Widget | asgn1.c:9: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 01:42:27 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:42:39 | captain_proton | struct PROTONODE { |
| 01:42:45 | captain_proton | char employeeName[100]; |
| 01:42:49 | captain_proton | float employeeSalary; |
| 01:42:54 | captain_proton | PROTONODE *next; |
| 01:42:55 | captain_proton | }; |
| 01:43:15 | Widget | Still. |
| 01:43:16 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: parse error before `PROTONODE' |
| 01:43:17 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union |
| 01:43:29 | Widget | Line 8 is PROTONODE *next; |
| 01:43:43 | Widget | A typedef struct has to have a tag at the end, right? |
| 01:43:50 | Widget | Wait. |
| 01:44:29 | Widget | Now I have to change all the PROTONODE <whatever> declarations in main() to struct PROTONODE. |
| 01:44:32 | captain_proton | why would anybody use a typedef struct?? |
| 01:44:36 | lament | heh |
| 01:44:55 | lament | captain_proton: for IOCCC? |
| 01:45:03 | Widget | So now in main, I must declare all my nodes as struct PROTONODE <whatever>? |
| 01:45:24 | captain_proton | Widget: shouldn't have to |
| 01:45:45 | Widget | captain_proton: If I don't, it says asgn1.c:13: `PROTONODE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:45:59 | captain_proton | Widget: use a real compiler ;) |
| 01:46:00 | doughecka | starts up ARC |
| 01:46:04 | Widget | captain_proton: gcc |
| 01:46:18 | Widget | 2.95.4 |
| 01:46:28 | captain_proton | hah. .4 hasn't been released |
| 01:46:37 | Widget | It was what I got from Debian. |
| 01:47:29 | Widget | OK. |
| 01:47:41 | Widget | I added struct in front of all the declarations. |
| 01:47:51 | Widget | Now, it gives me lots of dereferencing pointer type errors. |
| 01:48:13 | Widget | Like at this line: |
| 01:48:15 | Widget | head->next = NULL; |
| 01:48:37 | Widget | Or here (the second line); |
| 01:48:38 | Widget | while(fscanf(inFile, "%s", empName) != EOF) { |
| 01:48:38 | Widget | strcpy(traverser->employeeName, empName); |
| 01:49:20 | captain_proton | is reminded why he dislikes C |
| 01:49:46 | Widget | Let me use gcc 3.0. |
| 01:50:01 | Widget | And change all the declarations back to struct PROTONODE. |
| 01:50:26 | Widget | Eep more errors. |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | struct PROTONODE |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | { |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | char employeeName[100]; |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | float employeeSalary; |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | PROTONODE *next; |
| 01:50:33 | Widget | }; |
| 01:50:42 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: parse error before "PROTONODE" |
| 01:50:42 | Widget | asgn1.c:8: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union |
| 01:51:05 | Widget | So gcc 3.0.3 says. (Line 8 is the declaration of *next) |
| 01:51:34 | captain_proton | sure you don't have something bad before the struct? |
| 01:51:43 | Widget | #include <stdio.h> |
| 01:51:43 | Widget | #include <string.h> |
| 01:51:47 | Widget | All there is before the struct. |
| 01:52:01 | Widget | I changed the struct to: |
| 01:52:02 | Widget | struct PROTONODE |
| 01:52:03 | Widget | { |
| 01:52:03 | Widget | char employeeName[100]; |
| 01:52:03 | Widget | float employeeSalary; |
| 01:52:03 | Widget | struct PROTONODE *next; |
| 01:52:03 | Widget | }; |
| 01:52:06 | Widget | And it fixed some errors. |
| 01:52:33 | Widget | Wow. |
| 01:52:38 | Widget | It just compiled with no errors. |
| 01:53:32 | Widget | Haha. |
| 01:53:51 | Widget | When I compile with gcc-3.0, it bothers to catch the error (that I don't have a file it's looking for) and then segfaults. |
| 01:53:59 | Widget | When I compile with gcc 2.95, it just segfaults. |
| 01:55:16 | Widget | Fudgebunnies. |
| 01:55:24 | Widget | I created the files, and it still segfaults. |
| 01:55:31 | Widget | Ungrateful thing. |
| 02:00:05 | captain_proton | Widget: are you allocating the struct or just assigning pointers? |
| 02:00:26 | Widget | captain_proton: With malloc? |
| 02:00:28 | Widget | captain_proton: Yes. |
| 02:01:12 | captain_proton | ok |
| 02:01:17 | captain_proton | time for gdb ;) |
| 02:02:11 | Widget | Wait... hm... how am I supposed to allocate? |
| 02:02:39 | Widget | traverser->next = (struct temp) malloc(100) |
| 02:02:43 | Widget | This is how I did it. |
| 02:03:08 | captain_proton | ptr = (struct PROTONODE*) malloc(sizeof(struct PROTONODE)); |
| 02:03:27 | captain_proton | your protonode is larger than 100 bytes |
| 02:04:30 | Widget | Segfault! Curses. |
| 02:04:48 | Widget | Wait a second. |
| 02:04:54 | doughecka | blah |
| 02:05:02 | doughecka | ditch it and get a mac |
| 02:05:28 | Patlabor221 | why on a mac it's just "an error of type 1" has ocured |
| 02:05:44 | doughecka | heh, good point |
| 02:05:58 | doughecka | but a mac *never* crashes |
| 02:06:02 | Patlabor221 | let them debug it and they will figure it out |
| 02:06:09 | Widget | http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/asgn1.c |
| 02:06:16 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:06:18 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:06:19 | Widget | Here is the messily done thing. |
| 02:06:24 | doughecka | leave them be |
| 02:06:25 | doughecka | ;) |
| 02:06:30 | lament | macs never crash, they just get sad |
| 02:06:42 | Patlabor221 | I hate that sad mac noise |
| 02:06:58 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:07:06 | Patlabor221 | someone told me that it was the first 4 notes to the twilight zone theme |
| 02:07:15 | doughecka | no, it goes Eep? |
| 02:07:23 | Widget | Patlabor221: It was for the Quadras. |
| 02:07:27 | Widget | Patlabor221: Not anymore. |
| 02:07:29 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:07:30 | Widget | Patlabor221: I think. |
| 02:07:31 | doughecka | rats |
| 02:07:38 | Patlabor221 | what do the G4s do? |
| 02:07:45 | Widget | I dunno. |
| 02:07:47 | doughecka | doink |
| 02:07:48 | Widget | I have a measly iBook. |
| 02:07:51 | Patlabor221 | last thing I had was a PPC7500 |
| 02:07:54 | Widget | They say... |
| 02:07:56 | doughecka | G4s make a stupid doink |
| 02:08:01 | Widget | "It's all doughecka's fault!" |
| 02:08:05 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:08:11 | Widget | And then they crash. |
| 02:08:12 | doughecka | hey, hey |
| 02:08:17 | Patlabor221 | doug we are not talking about the error beep in the os |
| 02:08:18 | Widget | Hey, hey. |
| 02:08:30 | doughecka | oh |
| 02:08:32 | doughecka | ;) |
| 02:08:38 | doughecka | its late... |
| 02:08:50 | doughecka | need caffein |
| 02:09:16 | Widget | captain_proton: Is there a good reason why it is segfaulting? |
| 02:09:17 | Widget | Wait. |
| 02:10:11 | Widget | yah. |
| 02:10:16 | Widget | The foolish thing segfaults. |
| 02:10:24 | Widget | I must be allocating some memory wrong. |
| 02:10:45 | Patlabor221 | or not enought of it |
| 02:10:56 | doughecka | heh |
| 02:10:59 | Widget | I think of everything. |
| 02:11:10 | doughecka | right... |
| 02:11:34 | captain_proton | Widget: gdb it |
| 02:12:06 | captain_proton | Widget: there's no silver bullet for why something is segfaulting (unless you know exactly how you wrote something) |
| 02:12:14 | captain_proton | gdb is your friend, believe it or not |
| 02:13:39 | Patlabor221 | what do you use for something like bounds checker? |
| 02:13:54 | invader | Hey, it seems that the OS X client jumps higher than the other clients. |
| 02:14:16 | invader | everybody is bitching because I can get to some spots others can't |
| 02:14:18 | doughecka | lag |
| 02:14:24 | doughecka | its just lag |
| 02:14:30 | Widget | captain_proton: #0 0x080485bc in main () |
| 02:14:30 | Widget | #1 0x400426cf in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:14:46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hmm, - lclint does a good job of analyzing source |
| 02:14:55 | Patlabor221 | cap have you found the real problem wiht the jump bug? |
| 02:14:58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you can do runtime checking by linking with electric fence |
| 02:14:59 | invader | I don't think so, I could never get to the 2 story platform until I upgraded to the new on |
| 02:15:03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: superjump? |
| 02:15:04 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 02:15:08 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:15:09 | invader | s/on/one |
| 02:15:12 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:15:19 | doughecka | why not call it a feature? |
| 02:15:28 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i think its because of the update clamping to 0.5s |
| 02:15:28 | doughecka | ;) |
| 02:15:39 | invader | other people are bitching about it, saying I'm a cheater |
| 02:15:44 | Patlabor221 | ahhh rounding the velociy |
| 02:15:45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: when you have a low framerate, you jump lot |
| 02:15:50 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 02:15:55 | Widget | captain_proton: I ran it, then got a backtrace. |
| 02:16:06 | Patlabor221 | that must be why I never see it :) |
| 02:16:14 | captain_proton | there's a patch on sf, iirc that rolls back the change |
| 02:16:30 | captain_proton | Widget: did a full backtrace? |
| 02:16:58 | Widget | captain_proton: Yes. |
| 02:17:09 | Widget | captain_proton: It segfaulted almost immediately. |
| 02:17:12 | captain_proton | Widget: did you compile with -g? |
| 02:17:16 | Widget | captain_proton: No. |
| 02:17:25 | captain_proton | Widget: do so. it'll give you line numbers |
| 02:17:51 | Widget | captain_proton: 0x080485bc in main () at asgn1.c:18 |
| 02:17:51 | Widget | 18 head->next = NULL; |
| 02:18:30 | captain_proton | Widget: is 'head' allocated? |
| 02:18:39 | Widget | captain_proton: Uh... whoops. :) |
| 02:19:10 | Patlabor221 | that would make a fault then |
| 02:19:29 | Widget | Should it be declared as head = (struct PROTONODE*) malloc(sizeof(struct PROTONODE)); ? |
| 02:20:46 | captain_proton | Widget: sure. or you could just make it a local variable (non-dynamic) |
| 02:20:59 | captain_proton | err, static, not local |
| 02:22:24 | Widget | I have to declare head as a struct PROTONODE *head somewhere before, right? |
| 02:23:29 | Widget | captain_proton: OK, it still segfaults, but it gives a longer backtrace now. |
| 02:23:31 | Widget | #0 0x40080848 in _IO_vfscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:23:31 | Widget | #1 0x4008134f in vfscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:23:31 | Widget | #2 0x40081385 in fscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:23:31 | Widget | #3 0x080486ce in main () at asgn1.c:33 |
| 02:23:32 | Widget | #4 0x400426cf in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:23:32 | captain_proton | Widget: i'm saying it doesn't need to be a pointer (if it is, you have to do the malloc) |
| 02:23:41 | Widget | captain_proton: Oh. Yah. |
| 02:23:52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm gonna commit some ogg stuff, k? |
| 02:24:53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: need you to tell me the output it makes |
| 02:24:53 | Widget | captain_proton: Then I have to change all the head->next s to head.nexts? |
| 02:25:05 | captain_proton | Widget: yes, |
| 02:26:00 | Widget | captain_proton: Must I still dynamically allocate traverser.next to create a new node at the end? |
| 02:26:07 | Widget | traverser.next = (struct PROTONODE*) malloc(sizeof(struct PROTONODE)); |
| 02:26:46 | captain_proton | Widget: if you want to append |
| 02:26:59 | captain_proton | though 'traverser' will probably be a pointer |
| 02:27:07 | Widget | Oh. |
| 02:27:09 | Widget | Yah. |
| 02:28:38 | Widget | captain_proton: And I need to allocate traverser? |
| 02:29:08 | Widget | struct PROTONODE *traverser; |
| 02:29:08 | Widget | traverser = (struct PROTONODE*) malloc(sizeof(struct PROTONODE)); |
| 02:29:14 | captain_proton | Widget: if it really is a traverser pointer, no |
| 02:29:28 | captain_proton | thinks Widget needs to read up on how linked lists work |
| 02:29:36 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 02:29:40 | Widget | All the tutorials on the web were very strange. |
| 02:29:47 | Widget | Using typedef structs and the like. |
| 02:31:58 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yo |
| 02:32:32 | Widget | 19 *traverser = head; |
| 02:32:32 | Widget | Segmentation fault. |
| 02:33:19 | captain_proton | traverser = &head |
| 02:33:31 | Widget | Did that, got... |
| 02:33:31 | captain_proton | can't dereference a stray pointer |
| 02:33:32 | Widget | #0 0x40080848 in _IO_vfscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:33:32 | Widget | #1 0x4008134f in vfscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:33:32 | Widget | #2 0x40081385 in fscanf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:33:32 | Widget | #3 0x080486a4 in main () at asgn1.c:30 |
| 02:33:32 | Widget | #4 0x400426cf in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:35:45 | Widget | http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/asgn1.c |
| 02:36:36 | captain_proton | gib me line 30 |
| 02:36:42 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 02:37:25 | Widget | fscanf(inFile, "%f", traverser->employeeSalary); |
| 02:37:53 | captain_proton | is traverser assigned to anything? |
| 02:38:06 | Widget | It should be assigned to the node we're on. |
| 02:38:32 | Widget | It starts out as traverser = &head; |
| 02:38:58 | captain_proton | and head is static... |
| 02:38:59 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:39:14 | Widget | Yah. Is it cycling through the other nodes properly? |
| 02:39:25 | captain_proton | no clue |
| 02:39:32 | Widget | Or is traverser->next being allocated improperly? |
| 02:39:33 | captain_proton | your final node has next set to NULL? |
| 02:39:38 | Widget | Yes. |
| 02:39:40 | Widget | http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/asgn1.c |
| 02:41:41 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 02:44:35 | captain_proton | MRAPATHYCREAM! |
| 02:48:32 | Widget | YES!!!! IT WORKS!!!! |
| 02:48:36 | Widget | captain_proton: Thanks so much for your help! |
| 02:48:39 | Widget | YAY! YAY! YAY! |
| 02:49:10 | Widget | makes 150 backups of the source and stores them on different countries in case of disaster. |
| 02:50:26 | Patlabor221 | don't forget the punch card backup |
| 02:51:00 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: don't suppose you could test this for me? |
| 02:55:54 | captain_proton | closes some feature requests |
| 03:05:41 | Patlabor221 | test what? |
| 03:06:20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ogg |
| 03:07:35 | Patlabor221 | I can try |
| 03:07:41 | captain_proton | i need the output from current cvs (to console) |
| 03:07:52 | captain_proton | it should say 'requested' and 'actual', with figures from each |
| 03:07:59 | Patlabor221 | is thinking if I have the vorbis libs here |
| 03:08:00 | captain_proton | i'm betting that they won't be the same |
| 03:08:19 | captain_proton | you need vorbis CVS (not 1.0rc3 |
| 03:08:22 | Patlabor221 | I'm not at home so I've never build here |
| 03:09:19 | Patlabor221 | what is the repository directory? |
| 03:09:34 | captain_proton | for vorbis? hang on |
| 03:09:40 | Patlabor221 | no bz |
| 03:09:46 | Patlabor221 | don't even have that here |
| 03:09:54 | Patlabor221 | and I don't even have command line cvs |
| 03:10:07 | captain_proton | cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag/ |
| 03:11:57 | Patlabor221 | uggg I can't remember the configuration for this little cvs thing |
| 03:12:12 | Patlabor221 | thinks that today is just not his day |
| 03:12:35 | Patlabor221 | yeah there it gors |
| 03:12:48 | Patlabor221 | now I just need one of those nightlys |
| 03:15:28 | Patlabor221 | cap what modules do I need? |
| 03:15:33 | Patlabor221 | just ogg and vorbis? |
| 03:17:18 | captain_proton | ao, ogg, vorbis |
| 03:17:28 | captain_proton | perhaps vorbis-tools (if you like) |
| 03:23:41 | Patlabor221 | errors |
| 03:23:42 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(28) : error C2653: 'ios' : is not a class or namespace name |
| 03:23:42 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(28) : error C2065: 'end' : undeclared identifier |
| 03:23:43 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(30) : error C2653: 'ios' : is not a class or namespace name |
| 03:23:43 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(30) : error C2065: 'beg' : undeclared identifier |
| 03:23:46 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(64) : error C2065: 'endl' : undeclared identifier |
| 03:23:49 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(65) : error C2593: 'operator <<' is ambiguous |
| 03:24:05 | Patlabor221 | what am I missing |
| 03:25:12 | bryjen | anybody familiar with the code that does the ip addr bans in 1.7e6? |
| 03:26:31 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:26:35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what vc++? |
| 03:27:17 | Patlabor221 | 6 |
| 03:27:23 | Patlabor221 | sp5 |
| 03:27:46 | captain_proton | have those fixed in a jiffy |
| 03:28:44 | captain_proton | ok, cvs up |
| 03:30:06 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(65) : error C2593: 'operator <<' is ambiguous |
| 03:30:28 | Patlabor221 | line 8 |
| 03:31:20 | Patlabor221 | that's the only err tho |
| 03:32:15 | captain_proton | again |
| 03:33:53 | Patlabor221 | I did what now? |
| 03:33:57 | Patlabor221 | same line 65 |
| 03:35:02 | Patlabor221 | sorry |
| 03:35:05 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(65) : error C2593: 'operator <<' is ambiguous |
| 03:35:08 | Patlabor221 | at line 65 |
| 03:37:36 | captain_proton | doesn't know whats wrong |
| 03:38:02 | Patlabor221 | dosn't use streams cus he never went to college, so he dosn't ether |
| 03:38:20 | Patlabor221 | ok well I did go to collge but had stupid teachers |
| 03:38:49 | Patlabor221 | looks like the same code as last err |
| 03:38:57 | Patlabor221 | what did you change that to? |
| 03:40:19 | Patlabor221 | you can just do a printf there |
| 03:40:59 | captain_proton | you could try printf |
| 03:41:11 | captain_proton | technically we don't use printf, but i guess it is just debug code |
| 03:41:32 | Patlabor221 | I just changed it to a prinf |
| 03:41:36 | Patlabor221 | for this test |
| 03:41:48 | Patlabor221 | seeing if the rest will go |
| 03:43:49 | Patlabor221 | wheeeeee lokit all the warnings |
| 03:45:49 | Patlabor221 | uggggg |
| 03:45:55 | Patlabor221 | bz bulds |
| 03:46:09 | Patlabor221 | but get errors in vorbisenc :( |
| 03:47:48 | Patlabor221 | I must be missing something |
| 03:48:21 | Patlabor221 | worked last time but then I had the entire tarbal |
| 03:49:20 | captain_proton | vorbisenc?? |
| 03:49:35 | Patlabor221 | vorbisenc_static lib |
| 03:49:38 | Patlabor221 | won't build |
| 03:49:51 | Patlabor221 | I even called it names and stuff |
| 03:51:11 | Patlabor221 | can't find stuff like "_huff_book_line_256x4_class0" |
| 03:51:59 | captain_proton | vorbisenc isn't required |
| 03:52:06 | captain_proton | just 'vorbis' and 'vorbisfile' |
| 03:52:32 | Patlabor221 | someone put a depenecny to it in the dp |
| 03:52:34 | Patlabor221 | dsp |
| 03:52:39 | captain_proton | remove it |
| 03:52:50 | Patlabor221 | just did |
| 03:54:36 | Patlabor221 | where you want the output? |
| 03:55:14 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BZDUMP.txt |
| 03:55:28 | Patlabor221 | didn't play any sounds |
| 03:57:22 | captain_proton | aha! i was right |
| 03:57:38 | captain_proton | its only reading a very small number of frames (first packet) |
| 03:57:52 | Patlabor221 | that blows |
| 03:58:30 | captain_proton | commit a fix (i think) |
| 03:58:44 | captain_proton | err |
| 03:58:46 | captain_proton | committing |
| 04:02:14 | Patlabor221 | errors are back |
| 04:02:19 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(28) : error C2653: 'ios' : is not a class or namespace name |
| 04:02:19 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(28) : error C2065: 'end' : undeclared identifier |
| 04:02:19 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(30) : error C2653: 'ios' : is not a class or namespace name |
| 04:02:19 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(30) : error C2065: 'beg' : undeclared identifier |
| 04:02:22 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(65) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '<<' |
| 04:02:26 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(68) : error C2065: 'pcmoff' : undeclared identifier |
| 04:02:28 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(71) : error C2065: 'frames' : undeclared identifier |
| 04:02:32 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(76) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '==' |
| 04:02:36 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(78) : error C2065: 'newoff' : undeclared identifier |
| 04:02:40 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(80) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '>>' |
| 04:02:42 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(82) : error C2181: illegal else without matching if |
| 04:02:45 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(90) : error C2601: 'OAFRead' : local function definitions are illegal |
| 04:02:48 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(107) : error C2601: 'OAFSeek' : local function definitions are illegal |
| 04:02:51 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(124) : error C2601: 'OAFClose' : local function definitions are illegal |
| 04:02:54 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(132) : error C2601: 'OAFTell' : local function definitions are illegal |
| 04:02:57 | Patlabor221 | c:\projects\cvsroot\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.cxx(137) : fatal error C1004: unexpected end of file found |
| 04:03:38 | captain_proton | ugg |
| 04:03:43 | captain_proton | give them to me one at a time |
| 04:04:08 | Patlabor221 | it's the same IOS stuff |
| 04:04:34 | Patlabor221 | whoa I htink I may have a bad merge |
| 04:05:03 | captain_proton | ok, lemme commit a new one |
| 04:05:05 | captain_proton | up -C |
| 04:07:35 | Patlabor221 | taking it's sweet time loading |
| 04:10:52 | Patlabor221 | it's just in a loop now |
| 04:10:56 | Patlabor221 | infinate |
| 04:11:02 | Patlabor221 | on the first frame |
| 04:11:08 | Patlabor221 | 1 logical bitstreams |
| 04:11:08 | Patlabor221 | fire |
| 04:11:08 | Patlabor221 | numFrames = 22044 |
| 04:11:09 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:12:03 | captain_proton | its before the first grame actually |
| 04:12:15 | Patlabor221 | never even opens the window |
| 04:12:30 | Patlabor221 | seems to be before gfx load |
| 04:13:57 | captain_proton | whats the printf format for a double? |
| 04:14:12 | captain_proton | err |
| 04:14:16 | captain_proton | double int? |
| 04:17:21 | Patlabor221 | I just use %d |
| 04:17:26 | Patlabor221 | that's all integers |
| 04:17:51 | Patlabor221 | I have to get home |
| 04:18:01 | Patlabor221 | but I'll be back on when I get there |
| 04:18:16 | captain_proton | i have to go to lunch soon anyway |
| 04:18:24 | Patlabor221 | lunch |
| 04:18:26 | Patlabor221 | where are you? |
| 04:18:30 | captain_proton | japan |
| 04:18:36 | Patlabor221 | that would do it |
| 04:20:41 | Widget | captain_proton: How's the jetlag? |
| 04:20:46 | Widget | captain_proton: Hope you had a nice flight. |
| 04:21:06 | Widget | Japan is three hours behind us, I think. |
| 04:23:21 | captain_proton | Widget: jetlag wasn't bad at all |
| 04:23:29 | captain_proton | crashed when i got here, now i'm fine |
| 04:36:12 | MrApathyCream | anyone lookin for me :) |
| 04:49:09 | MrApathyCream | pokes captain_proton |
| 04:58:10 | Patlabor221 | he went to lunch |
| 04:59:32 | MrApathyCream | If cappy shows up, tell him OggAudioFile::read is messed up |
| 04:59:44 | Patlabor221 | he's been working on it |
| 04:59:47 | Patlabor221 | and having me test |
| 04:59:52 | MrApathyCream | First BYTE_ORDER and BIG_ENDIAN aren't defined |
| 05:00:08 | MrApathyCream | but even when they are, reading 512 bytes at a time on a 88K file is just taking forever |
| 05:00:16 | Patlabor221 | well that yeah |
| 05:00:32 | Patlabor221 | I thought it was stuck in a loop |
| 05:00:44 | Patlabor221 | why can't he just read the damn file in it's entirty? |
| 05:01:34 | Patlabor221 | it's not like he needs to stream it |
| 05:02:49 | MrApathyCream | bad coding? ;) |
| 05:03:14 | Patlabor221 | seriously overerly complex |
| 05:05:38 | MrApathyCream | little slow.... lunch? -- he's not in colorado? |
| 05:08:59 | Patlabor221 | japan |
| 05:10:03 | MrApathyCream | wow, how'd that happen |
| 05:10:10 | Patlabor221 | no tupping clue |
| 06:09:30 | Widget | !!!!!!! |
| 07:06:30 | captain_proton | 'lo BZFlag |
| 07:15:07 | captain_proton | requires an ogg tester |
| 07:18:48 | BZFlag | yells OGG OGG OGG and wonders if that helped. |
| 07:19:13 | captain_proton | care to help me out a bit? |
| 07:20:22 | captain_proton | i need the console output from current cvs |
| 07:20:26 | captain_proton | (can't run anything here) |
| 07:34:07 | BZFlag | still buried tonight, not likely to get to bz. |
| 07:35:01 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 07:35:01 | captain_proton | ok |
| 07:35:18 | captain_proton | anyone? |
| 07:35:54 | captain_proton | woohoo |
| 07:36:23 | captain_proton | (i think) i've got flag characteristics migrated into BZDB |
| 07:45:01 | iLLf8d | wassat mean? |
| 07:45:51 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:45:54 | captain_proton | it means soon you'll be able to specify things in the server like how small the tiny flag makes you, etc |
| 07:46:09 | captain_proton | increase GM reload time ;) |
| 07:46:10 | iLLf8d | its strange the i486 compiler options produce faster code then the ones I should use for my cpu |
| 07:46:13 | iLLf8d | whats up with that |
| 07:46:25 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:46:49 | iLLf8d | i'd like to increase the swerviness of the gm |
| 07:46:55 | iLLf8d | so you can shoot down a hole |
| 07:47:03 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 07:47:28 | captain_proton | you could do that |
| 07:47:33 | captain_proton | there's a constant for it |
| 07:47:48 | iLLf8d | hey you have any idea why in gcc3.1 |
| 07:48:10 | iLLf8d | the 486 code if faster then the stuff for my architecture? |
| 07:48:36 | iLLf8d | I've been compiling an mp3 encoder and looking at encoding times as a benchmark |
| 07:48:41 | iLLf8d | approximate that is |
| 07:49:38 | captain_proton | faster than your architecture? |
| 07:49:45 | captain_proton | by default, most gcc's will compile for i386 |
| 07:50:11 | captain_proton | so if you do -march-i486, it will do some optimizations it won't without |
| 07:50:21 | captain_proton | -march-i686 will be fastest |
| 07:50:59 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 07:51:07 | iLLf8d | well I just looked for my cpu on the site |
| 07:52:06 | iLLf8d | -mcpu=cpu-type |
| 07:52:07 | iLLf8d | Tune to cpu-type everything applicable about the generated code, except for the ABI and the set of available instructions. The choices for cpu-type are i386, i486, i586, i686, pentium, pentium-mmx, pentiumpro, pentium2, pentium3, pentium4, k6, k6-2, k6-3, athlon, athlon-tbird, athlon-4, athlon-xp and athlon-mp. |
| 07:52:07 | iLLf8d | While picking a specific cpu-type will schedule things appropriately for that particular chip, the compiler will not generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the -march=cpu-type option being used. i586 is equivalent to pentium and i686 is equivalent to pentiumpro. k6 and athlon are the AMD chips as opposed to the Intel ones. |
| 07:52:07 | iLLf8d | -march=cpu-type |
| 07:52:09 | iLLf8d | Generate instructions for the machine type cpu-type. The choices for cpu-type are the same as for -mcpu. Moreover, specifying -march=cpu-type implies -mcpu=cpu-type. |
| 07:52:16 | iLLf8d | I specified k6-2 |
| 07:52:28 | iLLf8d | and used the -m3dnow flag too |
| 07:52:34 | iLLf8d | lemme try w/out 3dnow |
| 07:54:09 | captain_proton | k6-2 processors still exist? |
| 07:54:17 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:54:18 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 07:54:18 | captain_proton | i thought they'd all been destroyed |
| 07:54:25 | iLLf8d | yeah they do |
| 07:54:28 | iLLf8d | I've got 4 ofem |
| 07:54:31 | iLLf8d | run 2 |
| 07:54:32 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 07:56:04 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:56:13 | iLLf8d | look like the 3dnow extension slows it down heh |
| 07:58:35 | captain_proton | figures |
| 07:58:46 | captain_proton | hey - you can compile 1.8 now, no? |
| 07:59:00 | iLLf8d | dunno |
| 07:59:09 | iLLf8d | oh with the changes you made no |
| 07:59:15 | iLLf8d | remember there was some ios thing you ahd to change |
| 07:59:18 | iLLf8d | stream iirc |
| 07:59:23 | captain_proton | try current cvs |
| 07:59:26 | captain_proton | is in need |
| 07:59:26 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 08:01:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: thoughts on RearShot? |
| 08:01:23 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 08:01:27 | iLLf8d | looks like its building |
| 08:01:36 | iLLf8d | bzflag is 1.8 right? |
| 08:02:06 | iLLf8d | yeah looks like its percolating along |
| 08:03:23 | BZFlag | captain_proton: how does it work? shoots in both directions with a flag? |
| 08:03:54 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so long as the player has available shots |
| 08:04:06 | captain_proton | if they only have 1 shot avialable, they shoot forwards |
| 08:04:07 | BZFlag | just loves dns names that include the complete IP address. |
| 08:04:44 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. can't decide if that's a good flag or a bad flag. |
| 08:05:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'd say good - imagine being pursued by a SWer |
| 08:05:29 | BZFlag | I suppose. |
| 08:05:40 | captain_proton | worth implementing? |
| 08:05:59 | BZFlag | there are lots of other things I'd work on first. ;-) |
| 08:05:59 | iLLf8d | ehh |
| 08:06:05 | iLLf8d | what about slow moving shots? |
| 08:06:08 | iLLf8d | that would be cool |
| 08:06:15 | iLLf8d | makem move really slow heh |
| 08:06:25 | iLLf8d | so you can put up a wall in front of you heh |
| 08:06:47 | BZFlag | iLLf8d: but if they move slower than your tank you would kill yourself often. |
| 08:06:59 | captain_proton | grins |
| 08:07:02 | iLLf8d | you'd have to use them in reverse |
| 08:07:08 | iLLf8d | or have them shoot out the back |
| 08:07:17 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: backing up? |
| 08:07:23 | iLLf8d | I was thinking for like leaving mines for people jumping off buildings |
| 08:07:32 | iLLf8d | ie you jump spin off deck/building |
| 08:07:38 | iLLf8d | then shoot off a bunch of rounds |
| 08:07:46 | iLLf8d | so noone can persue |
| 08:08:10 | iLLf8d | would be an interesting ctf weapon |
| 08:08:17 | iLLf8d | if you could tweak it just right |
| 08:08:47 | iLLf8d | you'd have to have multishots and then you could have an attacker and defender heh |
| 08:09:09 | iLLf8d | either that or you just have to not be in motion when you fire |
| 08:09:36 | iLLf8d | so you zigzag avoid turn fire slow barage and repostion for next barage |
| 08:10:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: we need a MsgSetDBItem |
| 08:11:02 | iLLf8d | adjusting shot size would be cool too |
| 08:11:09 | iLLf8d | have a flag that givesya like 2 shots |
| 08:11:13 | iLLf8d | giant balls heh |
| 08:11:15 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:11:43 | iLLf8d | and eventually when you get gravity figured into it you have like a catapult weapon |
| 08:11:44 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:11:45 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:16:11 | Widget | captain_proton: hihihi |
| 08:16:25 | captain_proton | Widget: ! |
| 08:16:36 | Widget | captain_proton: ? |
| 08:16:45 | captain_proton | nuffin |
| 08:16:57 | captain_proton | care to give me some console output from 1.8 cvs? |
| 08:17:03 | Widget | OK. |
| 08:17:35 | Widget | I must update and recompile though. |
| 08:17:55 | captain_proton | of course |
| 08:18:04 | Widget | Which will probably take a few hours. |
| 08:18:18 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:18:23 | captain_proton | just cvs up -PdA and make |
| 08:18:26 | Widget | OK, maybe 10 minutes. |
| 08:18:36 | Widget | I make clean before every compile. |
| 08:18:42 | captain_proton | why? |
| 08:18:47 | Widget | Because I get major problems if I don't. |
| 08:18:53 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:19:00 | captain_proton | only if there have been really major changes, which there haven't |
| 08:19:02 | iLLf8d | mine will probably be done soon |
| 08:19:04 | Widget | Like the entire screen being black. |
| 08:19:06 | Widget | Oh, well. |
| 08:19:09 | Widget | It's compiling now. |
| 08:19:18 | Widget | It must be around 5:30 or so in Japan. |
| 08:19:32 | captain_proton | yep |
| 08:19:46 | Widget | Japan is three hours behind us. |
| 08:19:54 | Widget | We're the true land of the rising sun. :) |
| 08:20:03 | iLLf8d | 530 what? |
| 08:20:07 | iLLf8d | am or pm |
| 08:20:09 | Widget | PM. |
| 08:20:11 | Widget | Of course. |
| 08:20:39 | iLLf8d | yeah guess they are on the other side of the world heh |
| 08:22:03 | Widget | We're currently 19 hours ahead of California time, but later in the year we're 21 hours ahead. |
| 08:22:17 | Widget | Californians are very far behind. |
| 08:22:49 | iLLf8d | cool we don't get the aliens stuck in our teath during the spin then |
| 08:22:53 | iLLf8d | teeth even |
| 08:23:17 | iLLf8d | was going for the global bug windshield analogy but it didn't work out |
| 08:24:29 | Widget | I love the Moles' patch. |
| 08:24:34 | Widget | Ahhhh. I couldn't play with the new HUD. |
| 08:24:41 | captain_proton | Widget: well thats your fault |
| 08:25:50 | kheb_Zz | is away: ZZzz |
| 08:26:41 | Widget | captain_proton: Well, now I have the old HUD. |
| 08:26:54 | Widget | captain_proton: And we will stop any future advances in BZFlag! |
| 08:27:01 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 08:27:01 | Widget | 2 shot CTF forever!!!!!!! |
| 08:27:17 | iLLf8d | I had 2 vims that were chewing up 60 percent of my cpu util heh |
| 08:27:19 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 08:27:46 | captain_proton | Widget: eat a sock |
| 08:27:57 | iLLf8d | I want features |
| 08:27:58 | iLLf8d | ! |
| 08:28:10 | captain_proton | i'm making features |
| 08:28:12 | iLLf8d | is dying for ambient lighting and tank lights lighted cockpit |
| 08:28:22 | iLLf8d | that alone would make the game worth playing heh |
| 08:28:23 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:28:33 | Widget | And I'm going to patch to remove those features..... or not apply the patches for the new features. |
| 08:28:33 | iLLf8d | nothing like attacking someone at night |
| 08:29:05 | iLLf8d | just play 2 shot no jump in all the worlds widge |
| 08:29:20 | iLLf8d | its easy don't hit tab and stop at 2 =) |
| 08:29:44 | iLLf8d | we used to play one shot on decks all the time |
| 08:29:48 | iLLf8d | when cap had 10 set |
| 08:29:56 | captain_proton | Widget: sorry, gonna be in cvs |
| 08:30:02 | iLLf8d | was hard to wait the time estimate for shots |
| 08:30:06 | iLLf8d | everyone wanted to shoot heh |
| 08:30:16 | captain_proton | Widget: and if you patch to remove them, you will end up with a client thats incompatible with everyone elses' |
| 08:30:18 | Widget | captain_proton: Then I won't update CVS. I'll take the patches I want from CVS and apply them. |
| 08:30:34 | Widget | captain_proton: Or I'll use Chestal's patches. |
| 08:30:37 | captain_proton | 2-shot CTF doesn't work with one person |
| 08:30:45 | Widget | captain_proton: To toggle the new settings. |
| 08:30:49 | captain_proton | Widget: you know how hard i'm gonna laugh when you get bored? |
| 08:31:02 | Widget | captain_proton: You underestimate the number of conservatives within the ranks of BZFlaggers. |
| 08:31:16 | captain_proton | Widget: you're even more conservative then chestal is |
| 08:31:29 | iLLf8d | ehh |
| 08:31:35 | Widget | captain_proton: Just go to ducati and type CLIENTQUERY. Check how many people are using 1.7e7M. |
| 08:31:42 | iLLf8d | who cares about the conservatives theres always other games... |
| 08:31:42 | Widget | captain_proton: Not now, of course. |
| 08:31:55 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:31:57 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 08:32:02 | Widget | 1.8 compile done! |
| 08:32:22 | Widget | 1 logical bitstreams |
| 08:32:22 | Widget | fire |
| 08:32:22 | Widget | numFrames = 22044 |
| 08:32:24 | Widget | When I run. |
| 08:32:28 | captain_proton | thats it? |
| 08:32:39 | iLLf8d | I hope that project 2501 will be good |
| 08:32:56 | Widget | captain_proton: That's it. |
| 08:33:07 | Widget | captain_proton: And it doesn't do anything beyond that. |
| 08:33:12 | Widget | It's broken!!!! :( |
| 08:33:24 | Widget | This is what comes of adding new "features" all over the place. |
| 08:33:36 | Widget | captain_proton: And I am NOT more conservative than Chestal. Pas possible. |
| 08:33:40 | captain_proton | Widget: no, its what comes from trying to debug ogg without being able to run it |
| 08:33:50 | captain_proton | Widget: yes. chestal has nothing against adding new features |
| 08:33:58 | captain_proton | Widget: because he just won't use them |
| 08:34:11 | iLLf8d | bsod |
| 08:34:18 | iLLf8d | black screen of death in bzflag |
| 08:34:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: go to console, kill |
| 08:34:41 | iLLf8d | I couldn't |
| 08:34:49 | Widget | captain_proton: Neither shall I. I was only talking about new features that can't be disabled. |
| 08:34:49 | iLLf8d | I tried |
| 08:34:53 | Widget | captain_proton: The new HUD, for instance. |
| 08:34:54 | iLLf8d | I killed from linux console |
| 08:35:08 | iLLf8d | unless thats the console you meant |
| 08:35:19 | Widget | That's what a console is. |
| 08:35:20 | iLLf8d | the new hud is nice =) |
| 08:35:29 | iLLf8d | no theres a console in bz too |
| 08:35:30 | iLLf8d | in 1.8 |
| 08:35:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: yes, linux console |
| 08:35:36 | Widget | Oh, yes. |
| 08:35:37 | iLLf8d | hit ~ |
| 08:35:43 | Widget | The thing you get when you type `. |
| 08:35:56 | Widget | Not ~, `. |
| 08:35:59 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: do you see more output than widget got? |
| 08:36:01 | iLLf8d | oh whatever |
| 08:36:07 | iLLf8d | lemme run from a term |
| 08:36:09 | Widget | BZFlag doesn't even start for me! |
| 08:36:12 | Widget | :( |
| 08:36:33 | iLLf8d | nope |
| 08:36:39 | iLLf8d | didn't compile with debug on sorry |
| 08:36:49 | iLLf8d | me either |
| 08:36:55 | captain_proton | doesn't matter with debug on |
| 08:37:02 | captain_proton | just matters about terminal output |
| 08:37:04 | iLLf8d | cap put in night mode =) |
| 08:37:05 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:37:14 | iLLf8d | it does compile now tho |
| 08:37:17 | iLLf8d | in my compiler |
| 08:37:20 | iLLf8d | thats a good sign |
| 08:37:23 | captain_proton | haha no i made the sound loading infinite loop |
| 08:37:35 | iLLf8d | I didn't hear anything |
| 08:37:35 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:37:43 | iLLf8d | infinite silence |
| 08:37:45 | Widget | Me too- |
| 08:37:52 | Widget | captain_proton: Is it supposed to give more output? |
| 08:39:03 | captain_proton | Widget: yes, hang on |
| 08:39:34 | Widget | hangs on. |
| 08:39:57 | captain_proton | ok, cvs up |
| 08:40:14 | captain_proton | i suggest you redirect output to a file, because there will be a lot and i'm interested in the stuff at the top |
| 08:40:18 | Widget | uses anoncvs. |
| 08:41:03 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 08:41:11 | iLLf8d | jzaun has a good eye for worlds |
| 08:41:21 | iLLf8d | we've been talking about world design lately |
| 08:41:26 | captain_proton | Widget: um, ok. you can still cvs up |
| 08:41:30 | iLLf8d | i'm running one of his now |
| 08:41:32 | iLLf8d | its pretty cool |
| 08:42:33 | Widget | Interesting.... |
| 08:42:47 | Widget | anoncvs now gets me.... 1.7e7. Was it moved to HEAD or something? |
| 08:43:03 | Widget | Oop. |
| 08:43:05 | Widget | Never mind. |
| 08:51:15 | captain_proton | twiddles his thumbs |
| 08:57:37 | Widget | captain_proton: Still only prints 1 logical bitstreams |
| 08:57:37 | Widget | fire |
| 08:57:37 | Widget | numFrames = 22044 |
| 09:03:38 | captain_proton | grr |
| 09:05:24 | captain_proton | go now |
| 09:05:29 | Widget | OK- |
| 09:05:57 | Widget | Erm..... no changes. |
| 09:18:33 | captain_proton | still?? |
| 09:18:59 | Widget | When I do cvs update -d, it does not update. |
| 09:19:05 | iLLf8d | hey cap |
| 09:19:21 | iLLf8d | when I try to build bzedit its saying it can't find gtkglarea |
| 09:19:25 | captain_proton | Widget: cvs up -PdA |
| 09:19:32 | iLLf8d | do I need to update something so it knows the path? |
| 09:20:00 | iLLf8d | /usr/include/gtkgl-2.0/gtkgl/gtkglarea.h |
| 09:20:01 | iLLf8d | this it? |
| 09:20:16 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: i don't know that bzflag will compile with gtk 2.0 - it might |
| 09:20:27 | iLLf8d | bzedit |
| 09:20:27 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 09:20:30 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: yes, probably add -I/usr/include/gtkgl-2.0 |
| 09:20:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: whatever |
| 09:22:06 | Widget | BZFlag requires gtk? |
| 09:22:13 | captain_proton | Widget: bzedit requires gtk |
| 09:22:45 | captain_proton | Widget: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/OggAudioFile.cxx |
| 09:23:08 | captain_proton | hurry - gotta go in 1 min |
| 09:23:40 | Widget | Where do I put that? |
| 09:23:41 | captain_proton | i'm off |
| 09:23:45 | captain_proton | src/mediafile |
| 09:23:48 | Widget | OK. |
| 09:24:31 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 10:28:16 | FantaZee | chestal ? |
| 10:29:43 | Chestal | yes |
| 13:11:44 | strayer | hi |
| 13:16:44 | jk | hi |
| 13:16:53 | jk | anyone know a server with people on it? :) |
| 13:24:49 | FrootLoop | good morning |
| 14:25:18 | strayer | jk.....take ctf-ducati-server |
| 15:21:02 | kheb_Zz | is back (gone 06:55:11) |
| 15:23:17 | Patlabor221 | where is everyone today |
| 15:23:26 | doughecka | dunno |
| 15:23:26 | Patlabor221 | no cars on the roads |
| 15:23:32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:23:39 | Patlabor221 | like half the office isn't here today |
| 15:23:47 | doughecka | vacation? |
| 15:23:48 | Patlabor221 | and this place is like half full :) |
| 15:23:53 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:25:39 | doughecka | uh oh |
| 15:25:46 | doughecka | dinahs online... |
| 15:25:53 | doughecka | think I better move? |
| 15:26:00 | doughecka | ;) |
| 15:26:35 | doughecka | ack |
| 15:26:41 | doughecka | now shes offline |
| 15:27:36 | doughecka | ack |
| 15:27:36 | doughecka | now shes online |
| 15:28:13 | doughecka | poof |
| 15:28:21 | doughecka | there goes chanserv and nickserv |
| 15:32:03 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:25:39 | doughecka | I have deleted 2500 emails today.... |
| 16:25:40 | doughecka | ;) |
| 16:25:41 | Patlabor221 | hmmm odd net activity today |
| 16:25:50 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:26:00 | doughecka | very quiet |
| 16:26:27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:26:33 | doughecka | emptying trash |
| 16:26:34 | doughecka | er |
| 16:26:45 | doughecka | deleted items |
| 16:27:24 | Patlabor221 | just cus it's quiet dosn't mean that you have to fill the void |
| 16:27:34 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:27:39 | doughecka | ;) |
| 16:28:14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:29:35 | doughecka | Patlabor221: have you ever had your computer freeze randomly? I check the taskmanager, and it says a program named services.exe is useing 100% CUP power |
| 16:29:55 | Patlabor221 | what os? |
| 16:29:57 | kheb_food | is away: eat |
| 16:30:04 | doughecka | windows 2000 |
| 16:30:08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:30:12 | doughecka | now its OK |
| 16:30:27 | doughecka | but a few seconds ago, I could not see what I was typeing |
| 16:30:31 | Patlabor221 | they are called background tasks |
| 16:30:44 | doughecka | yea, but what is using all the power? |
| 16:30:50 | doughecka | it bogs it all down.... |
| 16:31:34 | Patlabor221 | what services are you running |
| 16:31:35 | doughecka | yup, here it goes again, slow..... |
| 16:31:40 | Patlabor221 | and how much ram? |
| 16:31:46 | doughecka | 256+ of ram |
| 16:31:53 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean +? |
| 16:32:04 | Patlabor221 | you can't have like 258 megs of ram |
| 16:32:40 | doughecka | something around 256, the video ram is shared witht eh system ram, so it takes a little away |
| 16:32:59 | Patlabor221 | do you have a lot of services installed? |
| 16:33:43 | doughecka | um, I have alot running, but I dont know what are good or bad |
| 16:33:52 | doughecka | whew |
| 16:34:03 | doughecka | thats the 3rd time it froze |
| 16:34:06 | Patlabor221 | proalby viruses |
| 16:34:10 | doughecka | npe |
| 16:34:16 | doughecka | I have AV software installed |
| 16:34:19 | doughecka | nortan |
| 16:34:21 | Patlabor221 | hit alt F4 repeatedly to kill processes |
| 16:34:32 | doughecka | why? |
| 16:34:39 | Patlabor221 | that kills processes |
| 16:34:44 | doughecka | it will kill my programs and stuff |
| 16:34:46 | doughecka | right? |
| 16:34:52 | doughecka | let me try... |
| 16:34:57 | Patlabor221 | then you can see when it dies |
| 16:35:10 | doughecka | I have 47 processes |
| 16:35:12 | doughecka | running |
| 16:35:47 | Patlabor221 | thats a lot |
| 16:35:50 | doughecka | yup |
| 16:35:55 | Patlabor221 | you probalby have spyware |
| 16:36:04 | doughecka | yea, most likely |
| 16:36:17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:36:31 | doughecka | I have a processes running that is all numbers |
| 16:36:35 | doughecka | strange |
| 16:36:46 | doughecka | I need to do my yearly reinstall |
| 16:36:47 | doughecka | ;) |
| 16:37:27 | doughecka | CooLSrv.exe? |
| 16:37:32 | doughecka | thats sounds funny |
| 16:37:43 | Nicole3 | hey everyone |
| 16:37:48 | doughecka | lo Nicole3 |
| 16:38:02 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:38:12 | doughecka | I am going to try to Alt-F4 |
| 16:38:15 | doughecka | brb |
| 16:38:19 | | I haven't seen 'tea', Nicole3 |
| 16:38:19 | Nicole3 | ibot: seen tea |
| 16:38:34 | | tea_ was last seen on #bzflag 21 hours, 37 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: -> [Tue Jul 9 20:01:20 2002] |
| 16:38:34 | doughecka | ibot seen tea_ |
| 16:38:41 | Nicole3 | thank you |
| 16:38:45 | doughecka | ack |
| 16:38:58 | doughecka | Patlabor221: all it does is it brings up the shutdown dialog |
| 16:39:11 | Patlabor221 | maybe that's what you should do then |
| 16:39:16 | doughecka | heh |
| 16:39:20 | doughecka | I just did |
| 16:39:26 | doughecka | thismorning |
| 16:39:39 | doughecka | this freezing happens all the time |
| 16:39:50 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:39:53 | doughecka | brb |
| 16:40:20 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:40:28 | doughecka | I got the services program running |
| 16:40:57 | doughecka | I am stoping some things |
| 16:41:02 | doughecka | stopping* |
| 16:41:25 | doughecka | C-DillaCdaC11BA???? |
| 16:41:28 | doughecka | what is that?? |
| 16:41:47 | doughecka | thats does not sound good |
| 16:42:04 | Patlabor221 | got get zonealarm |
| 16:42:09 | doughecka | ? |
| 16:42:12 | doughecka | go get it? |
| 16:44:04 | doughecka | ok |
| 16:44:06 | doughecka | downloading |
| 16:45:31 | doughecka | installing |
| 16:49:15 | dougheck | blah |
| 16:49:20 | dougheck | silly firewall blocked me... |
| 16:49:22 | dougheck | ;) |
| 16:58:28 | doughecka | Patlabor221: ok, I got zonealarm installed |
| 16:58:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 16:58:48 | doughecka | bzflag... |
| 16:58:52 | doughecka | gotta check that |
| 16:59:35 | doughecka | um |
| 16:59:36 | doughecka | nope |
| 16:59:44 | doughecka | bzflag does not work |
| 17:05:25 | Patlabor221 | you have to configure all your ports |
| 17:05:31 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:05:33 | doughecka | where? |
| 17:05:41 | Patlabor221 | oh I dono |
| 17:05:45 | Patlabor221 | I never use it |
| 17:05:50 | doughecka | I do not have the few version |
| 17:05:51 | doughecka | :( |
| 17:05:58 | doughecka | just the *free* one |
| 17:06:04 | doughecka | so no high tech stuff |
| 17:06:08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:06:24 | doughecka | If I want to play a game, I will quit zonealarm |
| 17:06:25 | doughecka | ;) |
| 17:09:28 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:09:34 | doughecka | it allready blocked something |
| 17:09:35 | doughecka | ;) |
| 17:09:40 | doughecka | very cool |
| 17:09:53 | Patlabor221 | not enought aperantly |
| 17:10:00 | doughecka | why? |
| 17:10:27 | Patlabor221 | I can still see you typing |
| 17:10:34 | doughecka | oh |
| 17:10:46 | doughecka | I let IRC through |
| 17:11:00 | Patlabor221 | ahhh humor is wasted on the youth |
| 17:11:07 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:11:25 | doughecka | so how I am supposed to use this if IRC is blocked???? |
| 17:11:35 | Patlabor221 | exaclty |
| 17:11:52 | doughecka | ?? |
| 17:16:32 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:16:36 | doughecka | it blocks UDP |
| 17:20:11 | akira_ | moin |
| 17:20:33 | doughecka | lo akira_ |
| 17:21:21 | doughecka | lo MortimeR |
| 17:21:34 | doughecka | bye MortimeR |
| 17:23:47 | doughecka | aha! |
| 17:23:59 | doughecka | firewall found gater client getting out |
| 17:26:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:26:22 | doughecka | that SERVICES.EXE is trying to get out.... |
| 17:29:14 | doughecka | oh, its for DNS |
| 17:34:44 | Patlabor221 | services.exe runs all the services on the machine |
| 17:34:57 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should ask on a windows help channel |
| 17:35:01 | doughecka | yea, but it locks up my computer |
| 17:35:02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:35:09 | doughecka | what server? |
| 17:35:22 | doughecka | this server is for open source stuff |
| 17:35:23 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 17:35:27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:35:27 | doughecka | ok |
| 17:36:10 | doughecka | http://www.computergripes.com/ZoneAlarm.html |
| 17:38:49 | | doughecka? |
| 17:38:49 | doughecka | ibot? |
| 17:38:52 | doughecka | hm |
| 17:41:37 | | doughecka? |
| 17:41:37 | doughecka | ibot? |
| 17:41:41 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:41:49 | doughecka | its blocking the net |
| 17:42:00 | Patlabor221 | then don't use it |
| 17:42:06 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:49:21 | doughecka | Patlabor221: I get this: Closing Link: doughecka by arlington.va.us.undernet.org (Sorry, your connection class is full - try again later or try another server) |
| 17:50:09 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 17:50:15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:50:22 | doughecka | it just connected |
| 17:50:55 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:51:10 | doughecka | and lots of people in this channel are joined to that server... |
| 17:51:11 | doughecka | heheh |
| 18:21:53 | doughecka | aha |
| 18:22:56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: found out that lots of people have that problem with 2000 SP2, so I disabled some services and it been steady so far... |
| 18:34:21 | doughecka | bah, is the list server down? |
| 18:37:12 | doughecka | BZFlag!!! |
| 18:37:20 | BZFlag | dsl line barfed. list server should be back now. |
| 18:37:24 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:37:26 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:37:27 | doughecka | ;) |
| 18:37:31 | doughecka | you read my mind |
| 18:37:34 | BZFlag | heh |
| 18:37:43 | doughecka | people where complaining |
| 18:37:51 | doughecka | heh,thx |
| 18:38:54 | doughecka | um, I guess the servers have to register them selfs again? |
| 18:41:02 | BZFlag | yeah, they will in a few minutes. I think they force-add every 1/2 hour or so. |
| 18:41:42 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:41:43 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:43:50 | doughecka | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 18:43:51 | bzbot | Red: 2 players, score: 24 | Green: 3 players, score: -23 | |
| 18:44:23 | BZFlag | try a different team, and keep it in the channel? |
| 18:44:44 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:44:56 | doughecka | I tried everything I could think of |
| 18:45:02 | doughecka | all the other servers work.... |
| 18:46:05 | doughecka | ack, maybe its a ban? |
| 18:46:10 | doughecka | Mmmm |
| 18:55:02 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:55:09 | doughecka | ducato works for me now.... |
| 18:55:20 | doughecka | ducato.... cool name |
| 18:57:35 | | doughecka? |
| 18:57:35 | doughecka | ibot? |
| 18:57:44 | doughecka | now my dsl is going down... |
| 20:03:05 | FantaZee | hi there |
| 20:03:18 | doughecka | lo FantaZee |
| 20:03:34 | FantaZee | alone ? |
| 20:03:41 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:04:12 | FantaZee | do you playing bzflag doug ? |
| 20:04:38 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:04:47 | doughecka | not right now... |
| 20:04:57 | doughecka | trying to get my MP3 server running |
| 20:05:36 | FantaZee | aha :) |
| 20:05:41 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:06:03 | FantaZee | be back in few minutes |
| 20:06:15 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:07:16 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 20:07:19 | doughecka | it works... |
| 20:07:20 | doughecka | ;)' |
| 20:17:49 | doughecka | lo pragma |
| 20:18:39 | pragma | doughecka: ? |
| 20:18:42 | pragma | wut? |
| 20:18:46 | doughecka | um |
| 20:18:50 | doughecka | just saying hi |
| 20:18:56 | pragma | ohhh... |
| 20:18:57 | doughecka | greetings |
| 20:19:02 | pragma | dont know what 'lo' is... |
| 20:19:05 | pragma | lol |
| 20:19:05 | doughecka | salutations! |
| 20:19:09 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:19:20 | pragma | salut! hallo! hello! Hola! |
| 20:19:41 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:21:38 | doughecka | greetings and salutations, bzflag! |
| 20:26:15 | FantaZee | server is working ? |
| 20:26:22 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:26:24 | doughecka | I think |
| 20:26:35 | doughecka | but my dsl forbids me to stream stuff up |
| 20:26:38 | doughecka | :( |
| 20:26:58 | FantaZee | you are in us ? |
| 20:27:06 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:27:19 | FantaZee | how fast is your dsl ? up/down |
| 20:28:01 | doughecka | um |
| 20:28:03 | doughecka | dunno |
| 20:28:05 | doughecka | slow |
| 20:28:37 | doughecka | um |
| 20:28:39 | FantaZee | here in germany we have 128/768 |
| 20:28:44 | doughecka | 100 down |
| 20:28:48 | doughecka | 50 up I think |
| 20:29:28 | doughecka | hey |
| 20:29:32 | FantaZee | how much costs it ? |
| 20:29:39 | doughecka | um |
| 20:29:44 | doughecka | $50 |
| 20:29:45 | doughecka | mount |
| 20:29:46 | doughecka | er |
| 20:29:48 | doughecka | month |
| 20:30:43 | FantaZee | i pay nearly 10$ and 30$ for the flatrate |
| 20:30:49 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:30:57 | doughecka | I-DSL? |
| 20:31:11 | FantaZee | what's i ? |
| 20:31:21 | doughecka | but, I am also almost out of range for dsl |
| 20:31:42 | doughecka | I = isdn, I-DSL = ISDN-DSL |
| 20:33:04 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:33:24 | FantaZee | hmm. don't know. own channel. always up. have isdn with splitter for dsl. but you can also have dsl with analog lines |
| 20:33:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:34:21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:34:31 | doughecka | something is going in or out my computer..... |
| 20:34:39 | FantaZee | i ever thought internet is so cheap in the us |
| 20:34:48 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:34:52 | doughecka | it is cheap |
| 20:34:55 | doughecka | for cable |
| 20:34:57 | doughecka | and stuff |
| 20:34:59 | doughecka | dsl is more |
| 20:35:02 | doughecka | in someplaces |
| 20:36:08 | FantaZee | i'll go to ducati now. see you :) |
| 20:36:12 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:36:13 | doughecka | cya |
| 20:37:13 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:37:24 | doughecka | if anyone wants to try to listen, go ahead |
| 20:37:25 | doughecka | ;) |
| 20:39:49 | | crs23 was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: Widget: yes, just put the script in there. [Mon Jul 8 22:11:13 2002] |
| 20:39:49 | BZFlag | ibot: seen crs23 |
| 20:51:51 | kheb_food | is back (gone 04:21:53) |
| 21:04:04 | Widget | Goo' morning. |
| 21:04:29 | Patlabor221 | morning? |
| 21:04:44 | Widget | Or whatever it is for you. |
| 21:04:59 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:05:00 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: 43 | Green: 4 players, score: -20 | |
| 21:05:06 | Widget | Curses. |
| 21:05:12 | Patlabor221 | keep forgeting that your upside down :) |
| 21:05:21 | Widget | At the Antipodes. |
| 21:05:46 | Patlabor221 | the whot? |
| 21:07:18 | doughecka | ?? |
| 21:08:08 | Patlabor221 | I see Antipodes means "other end of the flipin world" |
| 21:08:16 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you are totaly oposet of me |
| 21:08:17 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:08:35 | Patlabor221 | it's 2PM here |
| 21:08:43 | doughecka | its 5:11 here |
| 21:08:45 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:09:07 | doughecka | I am at the antipodes |
| 21:09:09 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:09:24 | Patlabor221 | depends on what time it is for him |
| 21:09:30 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:09:48 | Patlabor221 | I think the oposet of me is rear the eastern side of the indian ocean |
| 21:09:57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:10:30 | Patlabor221 | not having a globe makes it hard to see |
| 21:10:53 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:11:05 | doughecka | wants a full scale globe |
| 21:11:14 | Patlabor221 | your siting on it |
| 21:11:15 | doughecka | er |
| 21:11:27 | doughecka | wants a life size globe |
| 21:11:28 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:11:30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:25:44 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:25:48 | Widget | Is jh here? |
| 21:26:05 | Widget | We're not opposite America. |
| 21:26:09 | Widget | We're nearly opposite the UK. |
| 21:26:13 | Widget | GMT+12. |
| 21:26:14 | doughecka | oh |
| 21:26:16 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:26:17 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:27:39 | Widget | Stormclouds in the sky. |
| 21:27:42 | Widget | It will rain tomorrow. |
| 21:29:07 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:29:48 | Widget | hihihi, MrApathyCream. |
| 21:29:56 | doughecka | lo MrApathyCream |
| 21:29:59 | Widget | MrApathyCream: captain_proton was yelling at you yesterday. |
| 21:30:05 | Widget | MrApathyCream: Proque tu non respondeva! |
| 21:30:06 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:30:46 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:31:38 | MrApathyCream | he's in japan? |
| 21:31:45 | MrApathyCream | with you? |
| 21:34:43 | Patlabor221 | what is he doing in japan? |
| 21:53:12 | doughecka | lo bryjen |
| 22:02:37 | arathorn | hi all |
| 22:03:59 | arathorn | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:04:00 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: 47 | Green: 3 players, score: -24 | |
| 22:04:13 | arathorn | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:04:14 | bzbot | aadrar (Red):-15 (23 wins, 38 losses). [TLZ] w339 (Green):3 (66 wins, 63 losses). [TLZ] FantaZee (Green):28 (129 wins, 101 losses). [TLZ] Ajax (Green):8 (112 wins, 104 losses). .o0o0o. (Red):1 (8 wins, 7 losses). .0o0o0. (Red):4 (20 wins, 16 losses). |
| 22:05:34 | doughecka | lo iLLf8d |
| 22:05:53 | iLLf8d | hi how goes it |
| 22:06:05 | doughecka | good |
| 22:06:06 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:06:14 | doughecka | got my mp3 server running |
| 22:06:15 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 22:07:14 | iLLf8d | mp3 server as in what streams? |
| 22:07:14 | doughecka | hopefully the router will let me out |
| 22:07:25 | doughecka | ?? |
| 22:07:30 | iLLf8d | icecast? |
| 22:07:34 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:07:37 | doughecka | shoutcast |
| 22:07:44 | doughecka | er |
| 22:07:46 | doughecka | partway |
| 22:07:48 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 22:08:02 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:08:07 | iLLf8d | yeah you need some serious bandwidth for that |
| 22:08:11 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:08:12 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:08:19 | doughecka | can you get to 208.147.39.133? |
| 22:08:24 | doughecka | http? |
| 22:08:33 | doughecka | need to see if my router works.... |
| 22:09:27 | iLLf8d | <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>WWWinamp</TITLE><META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache"><META HTTP-E |
| 22:09:27 | iLLf8d | QUIV="Expires" CONTENT="Mon, Jan 01 1990 12:00:00 GMT"></HEAD><FRAMESET COLS="35%,*"><FRAME |
| 22:09:27 | iLLf8d | SRC="/?m=l" NAME="wwLeft"><FRAME SRC="/?m=r" NAME="wwRight"></FRAMESET></HTML> |
| 22:09:36 | doughecka | ? |
| 22:09:38 | iLLf8d | yeah guess so |
| 22:09:43 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:09:46 | iLLf8d | I pinged you and wget your page |
| 22:09:51 | doughecka | oh? |
| 22:09:52 | iLLf8d | too lazy to open a browser |
| 22:09:56 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:10:01 | Patlabor221 | yes he is |
| 22:10:20 | doughecka | well, if you open the browser, and can pick what song I listen to |
| 22:10:24 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:10:41 | doughecka | and what gets put out throught the streaming server |
| 22:10:43 | Widget | iLLf8d: It would have been simpler to do lynx -dump |
| 22:11:01 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:11:20 | iLLf8d | wget ip is harder then lynx dump? |
| 22:11:22 | Widget | jpoblo |
| 22:11:29 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:11:31 | Widget | iLLf8d: Well, lynx parses the HTML. |
| 22:11:33 | iLLf8d | I don't even have lynx installed |
| 22:11:39 | Widget | iLLf8d: You sure? |
| 22:11:41 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 22:11:42 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:11:43 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:11:43 | jpablo | hey Widget. |
| 22:11:45 | doughecka | he has link |
| 22:11:46 | Widget | iLLf8d: Thats surprising. |
| 22:11:47 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:12:02 | Widget | links -dump |
| 22:12:05 | Widget | That works too. |
| 22:12:15 | iLLf8d | don't have links installed either |
| 22:12:21 | Widget | How about w3m? |
| 22:12:27 | Widget | You and your newfangled ways. |
| 22:12:34 | Widget | Not even having a decent text browser installed!! |
| 22:12:38 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:13:30 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:13:40 | iLLf8d | well I run galeon usually |
| 22:13:45 | iLLf8d | tho its been sketchy lately |
| 22:13:50 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:13:55 | iLLf8d | I may start to run opera or mozilla again |
| 22:14:11 | doughecka | run IE? |
| 22:14:20 | iLLf8d | how? |
| 22:14:25 | doughecka | chuckles |
| 22:14:29 | Patlabor221 | dude don't taunt them |
| 22:14:38 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:14:39 | iLLf8d | why is a better question? |
| 22:14:39 | Patlabor221 | ill you can't |
| 22:14:48 | doughecka | wont wine run it? |
| 22:14:53 | iLLf8d | my machine would screech to a halt |
| 22:14:58 | doughecka | or use VNC |
| 22:14:58 | iLLf8d | its not a gighz machine |
| 22:14:59 | Patlabor221 | I'm still looking for a brower that dosn't suck |
| 22:15:01 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:15:07 | iLLf8d | ehh galeon is ok |
| 22:15:09 | doughecka | lynx rules! |
| 22:15:18 | Widget | iLLf8d: You can run it under Crossover Office. |
| 22:15:20 | doughecka | they have lynx for windows now.... |
| 22:15:22 | Widget | iLLf8d: It works perfectly. |
| 22:15:23 | iLLf8d | just dunno why my latest build is a bit sketchy |
| 22:15:37 | Widget | iLLf8d: IE, that is. |
| 22:16:21 | doughecka | IE works perfectly? |
| 22:16:42 | doughecka | Mmmm |
| 22:20:55 | Patlabor221 | hmm it only suports IE 5 |
| 22:21:07 | Patlabor221 | IE6 is actualy very nice |
| 22:21:24 | doughecka | yea, but it still crashes for me everyday |
| 22:21:25 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:21:36 | Patlabor221 | dud your system has issues |
| 22:21:50 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:21:55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:22:14 | doughecka | maybe that I have 5 MB of space left? |
| 22:22:22 | doughecka | would that be the problem? |
| 22:22:26 | Patlabor221 | that and proallby other things |
| 22:22:40 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:24:18 | doughecka | sheesh, I need to clear some space off.... |
| 22:24:30 | Patlabor221 | you've said that for 4 days now |
| 22:24:50 | Patlabor221 | tyr deleting the pokimon desktop theme |
| 22:25:26 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:25:40 | Patlabor221 | anyone know if Cap finished his OGG changes last night? |
| 22:25:44 | doughecka | I dont have that installed.... |
| 22:25:53 | Patlabor221 | ohh your dad took it off? |
| 22:26:19 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:26:27 | doughecka | I hate pokemon |
| 22:26:46 | doughecka | most stupid thing since sliced american cheese |
| 22:26:57 | Patlabor221 | are you saying cheese is bad? |
| 22:27:27 | doughecka | I am saying sliced american cheese is not the best thing on the planet |
| 22:27:42 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 22:28:19 | doughecka | um |
| 22:28:34 | doughecka | dunno, I would rather have a block of white chedder |
| 22:28:39 | doughecka | bah |
| 22:28:44 | doughecka | outlook crashed |
| 22:29:00 | doughecka | and its in a loop, cant get out of it |
| 22:29:07 | doughecka | even the taskmanger wont start |
| 22:29:24 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you got serious issues |
| 22:29:31 | doughecka | yup |
| 22:29:45 | Patlabor221 | reinastall clean |
| 22:29:49 | doughecka | I held down the enter key to skip past the errors |
| 22:29:57 | doughecka | reinstall? |
| 22:29:57 | Patlabor221 | don't put any crap on it unless you know what it's gonna do |
| 22:30:03 | Patlabor221 | and install the service pack |
| 22:30:07 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:30:12 | doughecka | but I need a back up..... |
| 22:30:18 | Patlabor221 | and get the latest chipset drivers |
| 22:30:23 | doughecka | I need my files put away safely |
| 22:30:27 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:30:28 | Patlabor221 | back waht up? you don't need to format |
| 22:30:35 | doughecka | um |
| 22:30:44 | Patlabor221 | just clear off some space |
| 22:30:46 | doughecka | install clean means format and reinstall |
| 22:30:52 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:30:55 | doughecka | thats clean |
| 22:30:56 | Patlabor221 | not nesisaraly |
| 22:31:05 | doughecka | the other is a dirty reinstall |
| 22:31:06 | Patlabor221 | but it is the best way |
| 22:31:15 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 22:31:18 | Patlabor221 | it's only dirty of you install on top of the old OS |
| 22:31:25 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to use the same foler |
| 22:31:35 | doughecka | it would take a while for me to reinstall everything.... |
| 22:31:39 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 22:31:43 | Patlabor221 | thems the breaks |
| 22:31:49 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:31:59 | doughecka | not everything |
| 22:32:03 | Patlabor221 | I'd partition the drive so you have one for OS, one for Apps and one for data |
| 22:32:08 | doughecka | just stuff like office and trillian |
| 22:32:24 | doughecka | um, partition means format? |
| 22:32:32 | doughecka | right? |
| 22:32:42 | Patlabor221 | if you don't have a partition manager yes |
| 22:32:47 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:32:54 | doughecka | is partition manager free? |
| 22:33:16 | Patlabor221 | partition manager is not the name of a software |
| 22:33:20 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:33:26 | Patlabor221 | and there ain't no such thing as a free lucnh |
| 22:33:30 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:33:32 | doughecka | true |
| 22:33:45 | doughecka | but is there a free partition manger? |
| 22:33:52 | doughecka | manger..... hehe manager |
| 22:33:53 | Patlabor221 | partition magic works well |
| 22:33:58 | Patlabor221 | I don't think any are free |
| 22:34:02 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:34:08 | doughecka | fdisk is free.... |
| 22:34:09 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:34:25 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:34:26 | Patlabor221 | but it won't dynamicly aloocate partions and not remove data |
| 22:34:34 | doughecka | yea.... |
| 22:34:50 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:34:59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:35:35 | doughecka | I have 10 gigs left total |
| 22:35:43 | doughecka | I could install 2000 on there.... |
| 22:35:56 | doughecka | and delete the old one..... |
| 22:35:58 | doughecka | hmmmm |
| 22:36:09 | Patlabor221 | you'll still have to do your apps |
| 22:36:16 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:36:29 | doughecka | my apps are on both partitions |
| 22:36:49 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:36:53 | doughecka | IE wont start |
| 22:36:58 | doughecka | says its out of ram |
| 22:37:00 | doughecka | :( |
| 22:37:17 | Patlabor221 | make sure your swap space is set properly |
| 22:37:25 | doughecka | fine, I will, maybe, do a reinstall tonight |
| 22:37:36 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 22:37:40 | doughecka | I can tdo anything |
| 22:37:50 | doughecka | cant open the task manager |
| 22:37:58 | doughecka | cant open control panel |
| 22:38:04 | Patlabor221 | you are what they techincaly call "hosed" |
| 22:38:10 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:38:19 | Patlabor221 | if one thing don't work the ods are the rest wont so give it up |
| 22:38:21 | doughecka | or I have a glitch |
| 22:38:23 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:38:28 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:38:34 | Patlabor221 | go reinstall and stop complaining |
| 22:38:38 | doughecka | oh great, control panel opened up |
| 22:42:26 | Patlabor221 | hey Widget what's the Mac got that would be akin to a windows DLL? |
| 22:42:27 | doughecka | bah, 2000 is great, the whole system goes down, and leaves me the IRC window... |
| 22:42:40 | Patlabor221 | exploer just died |
| 22:42:45 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:42:50 | doughecka | my dad calles it |
| 22:42:54 | doughecka | exploder |
| 22:42:55 | Patlabor221 | sont' say it |
| 22:43:09 | doughecka | internet exploder |
| 22:43:12 | Patlabor221 | if you don't like it |
| 22:43:12 | doughecka | er |
| 22:43:15 | Patlabor221 | don't use it |
| 22:43:18 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:43:25 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:43:31 | doughecka | can I uninstall IE? |
| 22:43:40 | doughecka | nooo |
| 22:43:41 | Patlabor221 | you can replace it with netscape or mozilla |
| 22:43:46 | doughecka | replace? |
| 22:43:47 | Patlabor221 | then just not use it |
| 22:43:50 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:43:58 | Patlabor221 | install them and set them as the defalut browser for everything |
| 22:44:00 | doughecka | bah, I want IE off if this thing |
| 22:44:06 | Patlabor221 | it's part of the OS |
| 22:44:09 | doughecka | even for the desktop |
| 22:44:23 | Patlabor221 | netscape has a desktop replacement module |
| 22:44:28 | doughecka | ? |
| 22:44:37 | doughecka | like a file explorer? |
| 22:44:43 | Patlabor221 | you can use netscape for file exploere stuff |
| 22:44:48 | Patlabor221 | but it's a dog |
| 22:44:52 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:44:53 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:44:55 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:45:02 | doughecka | makes some boot disks |
| 22:45:15 | doughecka | ever year I do this |
| 22:45:29 | doughecka | I get the system to its prime |
| 22:45:32 | Patlabor221 | you can't get rid of IE, just like you can't realy get rid of the GTK libs in linux if you want apps to run in x |
| 22:45:35 | doughecka | then it goes boom |
| 22:45:42 | doughecka | oohhh |
| 22:45:42 | Patlabor221 | you install crap on it |
| 22:45:45 | doughecka | now I see |
| 22:45:52 | doughecka | pat |
| 22:45:54 | doughecka | er |
| 22:45:57 | Patlabor221 | it's providing a lot of interface services |
| 22:45:58 | doughecka | Patlabor221: I dont... |
| 22:46:05 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:46:05 | Patlabor221 | sure you don't |
| 22:46:08 | doughecka | like the gui |
| 22:46:12 | doughecka | and stuff |
| 22:46:14 | Patlabor221 | tellnet packet snifers |
| 22:46:20 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 22:46:26 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:46:55 | Patlabor221 | proalby have bearshare and kazza on there too |
| 22:47:04 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:47:15 | doughecka | I did.... |
| 22:47:19 | doughecka | but they are gone |
| 22:47:27 | Patlabor221 | sitll |
| 22:47:31 | Patlabor221 | there spyware proalby isn't |
| 22:47:36 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:48:48 | doughecka | or I could install NT |
| 22:48:50 | doughecka | ugh |
| 22:48:55 | Patlabor221 | 2k is NT |
| 22:49:00 | Patlabor221 | its' NT5 |
| 22:49:02 | doughecka | yea, but NT 4 |
| 22:49:15 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:49:19 | doughecka | and XP is NT 6 |
| 22:49:20 | doughecka | sorta |
| 22:49:24 | Patlabor221 | no it is |
| 22:49:29 | Patlabor221 | no sorta about it |
| 22:49:34 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:49:45 | doughecka | NT 6? |
| 22:49:47 | doughecka | or 5? |
| 22:49:50 | Patlabor221 | everyting is Win32 kernel now |
| 22:49:55 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:50:01 | Patlabor221 | 9x line is dead |
| 22:50:06 | Patlabor221 | thank god |
| 22:50:10 | doughecka | amen |
| 22:50:27 | Patlabor221 | now we just have an incredibly modified BSD kernel |
| 22:50:48 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:50:57 | doughecka | thats not true of course.... |
| 22:51:11 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 22:51:27 | Patlabor221 | NT was started by taking the BSN kernal and modifying heavaly |
| 22:51:42 | Patlabor221 | don't think any of it is left |
| 22:51:47 | Patlabor221 | but those were it's roots |
| 22:52:27 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:52:30 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:52:34 | iLLf8d | yeah thats also the problem with the bsd licensing |
| 22:52:44 | doughecka | Mmmm? |
| 22:53:11 | iLLf8d | their licensing states that you can use their code and sell what you make keeping rights to it |
| 22:53:39 | doughecka | wow, so thats mean I can be a microsoft |
| 22:53:41 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:53:41 | iLLf8d | so basically MS can come along and get a bunch of free code to make money off of |
| 22:53:43 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 22:53:53 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:53:58 | Patlabor221 | if it has that liscense yes |
| 22:54:17 | Patlabor221 | they did put a hell of a lot of work into it tho |
| 22:54:22 | iLLf8d | is glad that he's on irc so he doesn't have to form complete sentences etc... |
| 22:54:30 | Patlabor221 | didn't even keep the memory amanager |
| 22:54:42 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:54:58 | doughecka | memory manager? |
| 22:55:03 | iLLf8d | oh i'm not knocking MS for it i'm just saying the bsd license is probably a bad idea |
| 22:55:03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:55:09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:55:22 | doughecka | yeah |
| 22:55:32 | iLLf8d | any company that gets handed free code would be stupid not to use it |
| 22:55:39 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:56:32 | doughecka | does the multilang versions of windows come with engilsh? |
| 22:56:40 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:56:47 | doughecka | no... |
| 22:56:50 | Patlabor221 | it's not mulit languate it's "THAT" ;anguate |
| 22:57:02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:57:11 | doughecka | its got german and spanish and chinese |
| 22:57:16 | doughecka | but no english? |
| 22:57:17 | doughecka | bah |
| 22:57:28 | doughecka | more money for microsoft... |
| 22:57:28 | iLLf8d | they charge you by the letter |
| 22:57:29 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:57:29 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:57:31 | Patlabor221 | that is not 1 version but 3 versions on 1 MSDN cd |
| 22:57:48 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:57:53 | doughecka | well |
| 22:58:00 | doughecka | its got pol and korean |
| 22:58:03 | doughecka | and others |
| 22:58:04 | doughecka | too |
| 22:58:07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:58:11 | iLLf8d | you're lucky theres no realtime translator fee |
| 22:58:12 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:58:15 | Patlabor221 | they put them all on one DVD |
| 22:58:22 | iLLf8d | charge you for each button that needs translation =P |
| 22:58:23 | doughecka | its a cd |
| 22:58:31 | doughecka | iLLf8d: hmmm |
| 22:58:57 | iLLf8d | you bill gates? |
| 22:58:57 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:58:58 | doughecka | is there anyway to turn it into engilsh? |
| 22:59:12 | doughecka | is bill gates in disgueise |
| 22:59:16 | iLLf8d | wouldn't wanna give you any ideas |
| 22:59:20 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:59:23 | doughecka | yah |
| 22:59:29 | doughecka | billgates in kentucky |
| 22:59:52 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:59:54 | doughecka | dinner |
| 23:02:16 | Patlabor221 | he just got an old MSDN libary set |
| 23:02:51 | Patlabor221 | from like 98 |
| 23:03:08 | Patlabor221 | they give you all the OS's in all the languaes. |
| 23:21:30 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:21:35 | doughecka | I got some from 2001 |
| 23:21:37 | doughecka | er |
| 23:21:43 | doughecka | one from 2001 |
| 23:21:43 | doughecka | ;) |
| 23:28:35 | Patlabor221 | 1 is not some, maybe they will teach that to you next year in school |
| 23:38:40 | arathorn | hi all |
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| 23:41:27 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:45:51 | doughecka | sighs and looks around for 4 good floppys |
| 23:47:18 | doughecka | grins and waves his copy of mandrake around |
| 23:49:20 | doughecka | Patlabor221: is there anyway to upgrade this install? |
| 23:49:48 | doughecka | guess not |
| 23:53:15 | doughecka | must be late in england |
| 23:55:49 | doughecka | owensboro? |
| 23:55:51 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:59:19 | doughecka | starts making boot floppies |