| 00:18:42 | MrApathyCream | wow, lot's of folks don't like transparent message/radar |
| 00:18:53 | captain_proton | bah @ them |
| 00:18:55 | Guardian | Yeah, I find it hard to read messages in blue |
| 00:18:56 | angelina | i like it |
| 00:19:16 | Widget | Guardian: No! You are one of the reactionaries! |
| 00:19:21 | Widget | Guardian: Like Mr. Chestal. |
| 00:19:30 | Guardian | hee hee |
| 00:19:59 | Guardian | So I set up a an observer that joins my server using the -echo, and I have that do my logging |
| 00:20:10 | Guardian | There are two problems though |
| 00:20:33 | MrApathyCream | e6 = about 30% use, already though |
| 00:20:54 | Guardian | With @logbot joined, the server never resets, and as just a regular user it doesn't see IP addresses |
| 00:21:42 | angelina | Guardian> is there an -echo for the server? bzfs... |
| 00:21:51 | angelina | i thought it was -d |
| 00:21:53 | captain_proton | angelina: no |
| 00:22:00 | captain_proton | angelina: -echo is a client-side option |
| 00:22:11 | angelina | ahh..ok |
| 00:28:06 | Guardian | -d works kinda |
| 00:28:35 | Guardian | if I use a -d and then a pipe to a file, the file only gets the log once the server command completes (ie I press crtl c) |
| 00:28:52 | Guardian | sorry not pipe '>' output redirection |
| 00:29:07 | Guardian | But the -echo works as it goes. |
| 00:34:35 | angelina | thats why when i use tail, i cant see the log as the server is still running? |
| 00:39:22 | akira_ | moin |
| 00:43:16 | Widget | Guten tag, akira_. |
| 00:43:55 | akira_ | hehe |
| 00:43:57 | akira_ | moin Widget |
| 00:45:00 | Widget | Ich komme nicht aus Schlieswig-Holstein. |
| 00:45:20 | akira_ | lol |
| 00:45:25 | akira_ | woher denn dann ? :) |
| 00:46:10 | Widget | Neues Seeland. |
| 00:46:59 | akira_ | har |
| 00:47:10 | akira_ | you babelfish the stuff dont you ? |
| 00:47:42 | Widget | No, I use a dictionary. |
| 00:47:46 | Widget | Without a grammar book. |
| 00:47:55 | Widget | But I know how to negate verbs! |
| 00:48:11 | akira_ | lol |
| 00:48:13 | akira_ | do you use linux ? |
| 00:48:14 | Guardian | Um did I read correctly that 1.8 is removing UDP? |
| 00:48:29 | akira_ | where did you read this ? |
| 00:48:35 | Widget | akira_: No. But I have a computer that runs Linux. |
| 00:48:39 | Widget | akira_: I use Mac OS X. |
| 00:48:43 | Guardian | Um, let me check |
| 00:48:47 | akira_ | Widget: ah |
| 00:49:05 | captain_proton | Guardian: nono |
| 00:49:06 | Guardian | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZChanges.html |
| 00:49:08 | captain_proton | Guardian: its removing multicast |
| 00:49:17 | Guardian | Right, which is...? |
| 00:49:36 | captain_proton | you know what broadcast packets are? |
| 00:49:43 | captain_proton | send once, and it goes to everbody on the LAN? |
| 00:49:46 | Guardian | Yep |
| 00:49:54 | captain_proton | multicast is basically the same, but for the entire internet |
| 00:49:57 | captain_proton | and it doesn't work too well |
| 00:50:02 | Guardian | I see. |
| 00:50:14 | Guardian | So is what are the effects right now? |
| 00:50:20 | captain_proton | nothing |
| 00:50:28 | Guardian | And how much of a part of udp is it? |
| 00:50:44 | captain_proton | its on top of udp |
| 00:50:50 | captain_proton | not part of udp itself |
| 00:50:58 | Guardian | okay |
| 00:51:11 | Guardian | I just switched my server to -requireudp |
| 00:51:30 | captain_proton | good |
| 00:51:35 | Widget | Good. |
| 00:51:41 | Guardian | And I thought maybe if it was going away I should turn that off, but now I know the truth, thanks captain_proton!!! |
| 00:51:51 | captain_proton | Guardian: 1.8 is completely different |
| 00:51:56 | Guardian | Really? |
| 00:52:00 | captain_proton | 1.8 clients cannot connect to your server |
| 00:52:03 | Widget | Yes. |
| 00:52:04 | Guardian | is interested |
| 00:52:08 | Widget | Go download it. |
| 00:52:10 | Widget | Off of CVS. |
| 00:52:12 | Widget | It's in CVS HEAD. |
| 00:52:27 | Widget | There's a test 1.8 server set up at two.bzflag.org. |
| 00:52:34 | akira_ | cu all |
| 00:52:38 | Widget | Bye, akira_. |
| 00:52:38 | akira_ | good night, good fight |
| 00:52:40 | Widget | akira_: Bis bald. |
| 00:52:52 | akira_ | Widget: nice german ... keep on learning :)) |
| 00:53:35 | Guardian | wow, Tim has a 6 digit icq, nice |
| 00:53:42 | taD | 6? |
| 00:53:47 | taD | what is is number? |
| 00:53:52 | Guardian | 192945 |
| 00:53:53 | taD | his* |
| 00:53:58 | taD | thx |
| 00:54:11 | Guardian | It is on the website |
| 00:54:24 | taD | ah |
| 00:54:26 | taD | :) |
| 00:54:33 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:54:34 | Guardian | Anyway, I will fool with 1.8 when I get back, right now, gotta run. |
| 00:54:36 | captain_proton | mine is 7 |
| 00:54:39 | taD | ack |
| 00:54:40 | captain_proton | but i don't use icq anymore |
| 00:54:44 | Guardian | 7? |
| 00:54:47 | captain_proton | 7 digits |
| 00:54:47 | taD | cya l8r for now.... |
| 00:54:50 | Guardian | Ah |
| 00:54:56 | Guardian | I was shocked for a moment |
| 00:55:08 | Guardian | I don't use icq either, when I did my number was 7 |
| 00:55:17 | Guardian | but I lost it long ago. |
| 00:55:43 | captain_proton | all my friends moved to aim, so eventually i did too |
| 00:56:13 | Guardian | yeah |
| 00:56:15 | Guardian | Same here. |
| 00:56:35 | Guardian | I go by FireSentinel, if you care to know. |
| 00:58:01 | Guardian-away | btw if you are looking for a alternative to AIM, I suggest Trillian |
| 00:58:11 | captain_proton | bah @ that |
| 00:58:13 | captain_proton | i just use gaim |
| 00:58:19 | Guardian-away | ah, gaim is good |
| 00:58:32 | Guardian-away | I am using xp as my desktop...so no gaim for me |
| 00:58:53 | Guardian-away | Anyway, I must be off., |
| 00:59:28 | MrApathyCream | bbk |
| 00:59:32 | MrApathyCream | er, bbl |
| 01:15:36 | BZFrank | hi |
| 01:16:28 | Widget | hihihi |
| 01:17:06 | captain_proton | yo frank |
| 01:20:42 | blackhound | hey Apache |
| 01:21:03 | Widget | hihihi, blackhound. |
| 01:21:12 | blackhound | hi there Widget |
| 01:21:17 | Widget | http://playmate.campus.luth.se/random_shite340.jpg |
| 01:21:22 | blackhound | Chestal hello |
| 01:21:23 | Widget | ^^^ Storm troopers. |
| 01:21:44 | Widget | Er.... http://playmate.campus.luth.se/random_shite340.jpg <---- Stormtroopers. |
| 01:21:44 | blackhound | lol |
| 01:23:58 | Widget | hihihi, BZFlag. |
| 01:24:00 | Widget | http://playmate.campus.luth.se/random_shite340.jpg <---- Stormtroopers. |
| 01:26:13 | captain_proton | reminds me of the kedi knights |
| 01:26:23 | Apache | hey Blackhound |
| 01:26:58 | Widget | Yes! |
| 01:27:04 | Widget | I wish I could put that picture up. |
| 01:27:14 | Widget | As well as the first one. |
| 01:27:20 | Widget | captain_proton: Oh, do let me put two up! |
| 01:28:07 | captain_proton | Widget: combine them |
| 01:28:11 | Widget | captain_proton: OK. |
| 01:28:27 | blackhound | Apache: will ski make it? |
| 01:28:54 | Apache | I hope so he said about 10 or more likely 10:30 est |
| 01:29:47 | Apache | I'll try to stay on that long |
| 01:30:03 | blackhound | cool |
| 01:32:07 | OoOoO | you guys practicing for something :) |
| 01:32:19 | blackhound | OoOoO: of course |
| 01:32:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: posted a sourceforge news item? |
| 01:32:26 | OoOoO | aaah, i like to see it |
| 01:32:32 | captain_proton | ahh you did |
| 01:32:45 | blackhound | OoOoO: we will discuss strategy as well :P |
| 01:33:06 | OoOoO | black: here i hope, i'll cover my eyes, promise |
| 01:33:09 | captain_proton | strategy is for losers |
| 01:33:33 | OoOoO | by the way, you may not have too much time for that strategy... |
| 01:33:33 | blackhound | captain_proton: we will see |
| 01:33:39 | OoOoO | too many bullets flying your way. |
| 01:33:56 | Widget | OoOoO: Go look at our new team picture! With a picture like that, how can we lose? |
| 01:34:14 | Apache | I love the smell of Fruit Loops in the morning |
| 01:34:18 | Widget | Wait... meq is playing the LoOps? |
| 01:34:30 | OoOoO | :) |
| 01:34:43 | Widget | OoOoO: Go look at our team picture! |
| 01:34:48 | OoOoO | not yeat for meq, they will be soon though we hope. |
| 01:35:15 | blackhound | i really eat fruit loops |
| 01:35:19 | blackhound | at least once a week |
| 01:35:20 | blackhound | hehe |
| 01:35:28 | captain_proton | we are? |
| 01:36:16 | Apache | Nice SW Widget |
| 01:36:20 | OoOoO | its ok captain you can relax |
| 01:36:24 | captain_proton | hah |
| 01:36:28 | OoOoO | nice picture widget |
| 01:36:53 | OoOoO | widget: when you guys going to play though? |
| 01:37:13 | OoOoO | too much darn talking lets get playing some matches!!! |
| 01:37:29 | OoOoO | we want to find out what color comes after orange |
| 01:37:34 | captain_proton | if people need a US server i can get babylonia going |
| 01:38:05 | blackhound | OoOoO: where are you guys from? |
| 01:38:15 | OoOoO | US |
| 01:38:45 | OoOoO | Black, we are going to use ducati though tomorrow, right? |
| 01:38:54 | Widget | OoOoO: When we get enough members. |
| 01:39:05 | blackhound | yes, as Chestal offered, I belive so |
| 01:39:10 | Widget | OoOoO: Unless, of course, you want to play me by myself. |
| 01:39:12 | OoOoO | You have 5 already! |
| 01:39:22 | Widget | OoOoO: But I only know Wing! |
| 01:39:28 | Widget | OoOoO: I don't know how to contact any of the others! |
| 01:39:32 | Widget | OoOoO: They neve rsign onto the website! |
| 01:39:36 | jpablo | bzmsgs :-P |
| 01:39:38 | OoOoO | hee hee, thats too funny |
| 01:39:38 | Widget | OoOoO: Oh, and ry doesn't play any more. |
| 01:39:50 | Widget | jpablo: I told you, they never sign onto the website. |
| 01:39:54 | blackhound | Widget: why dont you join the avengers? :P |
| 01:39:56 | OoOoO | geez, we need to clean up the list of teams and players |
| 01:39:58 | Widget | blackhound: Nah. |
| 01:39:59 | captain_proton | Widget: so boot ry off the team |
| 01:40:01 | jpablo | yeah, i read it afther i posted my msg :-P |
| 01:40:06 | Widget | captain_proton: Nah. I like him there. |
| 01:40:10 | Widget | is away: Fun!!!! |
| 01:40:24 | captain_proton | Widget: but if your team looks reasonably complete, nobody will join |
| 01:41:54 | OoOoO | anyone play on gerbils new map today? |
| 01:41:58 | OoOoO | pretty wild |
| 01:42:01 | captain_proton | ooh where? |
| 01:42:26 | OoOoO | hmmm, hold on, its on lt8r or somethin, hold on.. |
| 01:42:40 | Widget | captain_proton: Well, then they shouldn't! |
| 01:42:53 | Widget | OoOoO: That's tankenstein's new map. |
| 01:43:07 | OoOoO | gerbil made it widget |
| 01:43:18 | OoOoO | l8tr.ath.cx |
| 01:43:26 | OoOoO | tanks server right widget? |
| 01:43:38 | OoOoO | gets a little laggy but its pretty interesting |
| 01:43:43 | OoOoO | many secrets |
| 01:44:10 | captain_proton | ahh yeah that |
| 01:44:16 | captain_proton | i've had that map for a while |
| 01:44:19 | captain_proton | just never ran it |
| 01:44:40 | OoOoO | its pretty fun, it would be a good team thing i think. |
| 01:44:46 | OoOoO | 3 on 3 or something |
| 01:45:04 | captain_proton | if you want a map with secrets, nothing beats ballpark |
| 01:48:41 | Apache | slaps Apache around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:49:14 | Apache | yowza |
| 02:03:10 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 02:03:52 | jzaun | I've checked out bzedit but for the life of me I can't get it to compile... said "checking for gtk_gl_area_new in -lgtkgl... no" but I know I have gtkgl installed |
| 02:06:24 | BZFrank | maybe you'll need a never version of gtk |
| 02:06:38 | Guest36783 | hi all! |
| 02:06:40 | jzaun | I have the latest gtk+ and gtk+2.0 |
| 02:06:43 | Guest36783 | this is ski! |
| 02:07:21 | captain_proton | /nick ski |
| 02:07:31 | captain_proton | jzaun: look at config.log |
| 02:07:32 | ski | ok |
| 02:07:35 | ski | thanks |
| 02:07:39 | captain_proton | oh ick |
| 02:07:45 | captain_proton | i'm not sure it'll work with gtk 2.0 |
| 02:07:50 | Renegade | hey |
| 02:08:03 | captain_proton | its written for 1.2 |
| 02:08:08 | Renegade | is there a server to play this on? |
| 02:08:13 | captain_proton | lots |
| 02:08:25 | Apache | ski: sup |
| 02:09:31 | blackhound | hey |
| 02:10:07 | jzaun | gtkgl verion 1.2.3 gtk+ version is 1.2.10, the last things the config.log lists is a 3 lines of C that call gtk_gl_area_new() but nothing below that. |
| 02:10:22 | ski | hi apache |
| 02:11:02 | captain_proton | hum |
| 02:11:16 | captain_proton | jzaun: dcc me config.log |
| 02:11:17 | BZFlag | http://web.archive.org/web/19970526003516/http://reality.sgi.com/crs/bzflag.html |
| 02:11:18 | ski | a lot of people here |
| 02:11:36 | captain_proton | BZFlag: nice |
| 02:11:55 | jzaun | captain_proton: sent |
| 02:11:58 | Apache | sgi are nice that way aren't they |
| 02:12:36 | captain_proton | heh - same screenshot =) |
| 02:13:20 | captain_proton | jzaun: try setting your LDFLAGS environment var to '-L/usr/X11R6/lib' |
| 02:14:52 | blackhound | Apache: you there? |
| 02:14:57 | jzaun | captain_proton: Can't find -lGL if I do that |
| 02:15:21 | Apache | yepper |
| 02:15:30 | captain_proton | hum |
| 02:15:39 | captain_proton | locate libGL.so |
| 02:16:07 | jzaun | /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 02:16:19 | captain_proton | '-L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib' |
| 02:16:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: 'the future of bzflag' hasn't changed in the last 3 years |
| 02:17:31 | jzaun | found -lGL but still no -lgtkgl |
| 02:17:45 | captain_proton | hmm where is that? |
| 02:17:51 | captain_proton | /usr/local/lib prolly... |
| 02:18:14 | jzaun | /usr/lib/libgtkgl.so |
| 02:18:23 | captain_proton | really? |
| 02:18:28 | captain_proton | send me config.log again |
| 02:19:11 | jzaun | libgtkgl is pointing to libgtkgl.so.5.0.0 if that matters |
| 02:19:22 | captain_proton | jzaun: doesn't |
| 02:19:26 | captain_proton | jzaun: where is your libGLU? |
| 02:19:59 | jzaun | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.3 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.2.030402 |
| 02:21:21 | captain_proton | try symlinking libGLU.so to that |
| 02:21:59 | jzaun | which one? |
| 02:22:36 | captain_proton | any should work |
| 02:22:42 | captain_proton | i'd say to .1 |
| 02:23:42 | jzaun | woo that did it :-) |
| 02:24:27 | jzaun | not sure how you would make configure work without that, I was useing a standard Mandrake install |
| 02:24:53 | captain_proton | jzaun: mandrake is often braindead when it comes to properly configuring development stuff |
| 02:25:04 | jzaun | heh.. ok, next problem |
| 02:25:14 | jzaun | configure worked, make gives me this: |
| 02:25:20 | jzaun | aclocal: configure.in: : macro `AM_FUNC_ERROR_AT_LINE' not found in library |
| 02:25:45 | captain_proton | hum |
| 02:25:46 | captain_proton | thats it? |
| 02:25:56 | jzaun | make: *** [aclocal.m4] Error 1 |
| 02:26:00 | jzaun | right after that |
| 02:26:01 | captain_proton | PM me with the entire output from make |
| 02:30:18 | BZFrank | later |
| 02:51:37 | captain_proton | another satisfied customer |
| 03:13:56 | blackhound_ | who wants to play against avenvers on ducati |
| 03:13:58 | blackhound_ | we are practicing |
| 03:14:48 | Widget | I will! |
| 03:14:49 | Widget | I will! |
| 03:17:19 | Guardian | I'm back |
| 03:24:38 | Guardian | Something is royally screwed up |
| 03:30:21 | blair | sup proton |
| 03:30:22 | captain_proton | nooom |
| 03:30:30 | captain_proton | got particles partially workin |
| 03:30:43 | blair | say, you wouldn't know how to get mozilla to pop up a new window from the command line would ya? |
| 03:30:48 | blair | really? screenshot? |
| 03:31:01 | blair | just hacking away now that you don't have work? |
| 03:31:25 | blair | i just set up the dual headed cormack |
| 03:31:44 | blair | but nvidia drivers don't like to play with other cards & glx :( |
| 03:32:19 | captain_proton | i'll screenie it later |
| 03:32:32 | blair | electromagnetic rain w/particles? |
| 03:32:54 | captain_proton | once i get it working with the main visitor class |
| 03:33:02 | captain_proton | it works with the simple visitor, but not the one thats used in-game |
| 03:33:04 | blair | visitor? |
| 03:33:21 | captain_proton | the class that traverses the scene graph |
| 03:33:40 | blair | i see. |
| 03:33:57 | captain_proton | got yerself a copy of e6 yet? |
| 03:34:11 | blair | no, where from? |
| 03:34:18 | captain_proton | sourceforge |
| 03:34:23 | blair | cvs? |
| 03:34:35 | captain_proton | nah - release tarball |
| 03:35:05 | blair | really? i only see e4, no e5, definitely no e6 |
| 03:35:38 | blair | whats new in e6? |
| 03:36:38 | captain_proton | same as what e5 was at about midnight yesterday |
| 03:36:53 | blair | so absolutely nothin has changed (like 1.8?) |
| 03:37:12 | captain_proton | nothing really |
| 03:37:16 | captain_proton | but still - release |
| 03:37:33 | blair | wow, i'll go release something in my pants and call it 1.8, does that help? |
| 03:37:50 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:38:29 | blair | ok, i've got to restart X to get glx |
| 03:38:31 | captain_proton | dangerously close lighting - gonna shut down |
| 03:38:39 | blair | later |
| 04:15:25 | Widget | is away: Widget is falling... :-( |
| 04:23:45 | Guardian | So anyway, when bzflag crashes it screws up my display until I restart, that sucks. |
| 04:28:37 | Guardian | Well I got a shell script to start my server (yay! my first sheel script) |
| 04:28:42 | Guardian | shell |
| 04:28:55 | Guardian | But I still can't get logging to work properly |
| 04:50:00 | captain_proton | yo jeff |
| 04:51:01 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 04:53:16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: did you send a msg to linuxgames? |
| 05:11:27 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yep. |
| 05:11:53 | captain_proton | well they haven't posted =| |
| 05:11:58 | captain_proton | holarse put it up right away |
| 05:12:06 | captain_proton | not that i can read what they said |
| 05:13:12 | captain_proton | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fholarse.wue.de%2Findex.php%3Fnews%3Don%26submittedid%3D442&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ASCII&oe=ASCII |
| 05:17:24 | captain_proton | haHA! someone appreciates me |
| 05:17:34 | captain_proton | "The new version captivates by a completely new optics in the menu and by some improvements of the HUDs." |
| 05:34:40 | captain_proton | yo MrApathyCream |
| 05:34:44 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 05:34:51 | captain_proton | sup dawg |
| 05:35:16 | MrApathyCream | nuttin |
| 05:35:48 | MrApathyCream | been quiet? |
| 05:35:54 | captain_proton | reasonably |
| 05:36:41 | captain_proton | most of the noise comes from Chestal, so when he's asleep... |
| 05:37:20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:37:26 | MrApathyCream | snores, tho |
| 05:40:03 | captain_proton | 1.8 win needs work to compile (hint hint) |
| 05:40:34 | MrApathyCream | it does? |
| 05:40:36 | MrApathyCream | hold on |
| 05:40:55 | captain_proton | supposedly |
| 05:41:48 | MrApathyCream | cvs up..one sec |
| 05:42:00 | captain_proton | something in the snapping code i did that doesn't sit right with VC++ |
| 05:43:42 | MrApathyCream | ah snprintf |
| 05:44:21 | MrApathyCream | wassa, limiting the buffer copy to a size? |
| 05:51:51 | captain_proton | yeah - bounds checked |
| 05:51:51 | captain_proton | probably can be switcherooed to sprintf |
| 05:51:51 | captain_proton | its a habit of mine to bounds-check everything i do |
| 05:51:52 | MrApathyCream | windoz ==> _snprintf |
| 05:51:52 | captain_proton | ewwww |
| 05:51:52 | captain_proton | cringes |
| 05:51:52 | captain_proton | alias in global.h? |
| 05:51:52 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:51:52 | captain_proton | common.h? |
| 05:51:52 | MrApathyCream | will do |
| 05:51:55 | Patlabor221 | and you need to disable a warning |
| 05:54:27 | MrApathyCream | fixed too |
| 05:54:48 | MrApathyCream | builds no errors, no warnings |
| 05:54:50 | Guardian-sleepin | Is there a compiled OS X version of 1.7e6? |
| 05:55:12 | Patlabor221 | what is the default port for servers in 1.8? |
| 05:55:28 | MrApathyCream | ok, code checked in, cappy still compile on *nix? |
| 05:55:39 | MrApathyCream | 5155 me thinks |
| 05:56:00 | Guardian | So is Widget the one that knows about Mac bzflag? |
| 05:56:04 | captain_proton | cvs co's |
| 05:56:15 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: don't think so |
| 05:57:58 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: maybe Jonathan Stimmel (stimmj) |
| 05:59:01 | captain_proton | eddienull did the osx port |
| 05:59:15 | captain_proton | err - one of the osx ports |
| 05:59:26 | Guardian | My friend said that he just hacked the unix and Mac source together to make a 1.7e6 |
| 05:59:59 | MrApathyCream | sounds like riker is weakening... |
| 06:00:15 | MrApathyCream | By: timriker |
| 06:00:16 | MrApathyCream | so s just turning the radar/message area non-transparent enough? That much would |
| 06:00:16 | MrApathyCream | be easy. |
| 06:00:25 | captain_proton | be strong, o messiah |
| 06:00:30 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:00:39 | captain_proton | =} |
| 06:06:25 | MrApathyCream | build ok? |
| 06:06:39 | captain_proton | just compiling now |
| 06:06:52 | captain_proton | i didn't have a clean tree to cvs up |
| 06:11:01 | captain_proton | builds great |
| 06:11:09 | captain_proton | yay! progress! (even if trivial) |
| 06:13:18 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:13:26 | MrApathyCream | that's my work for the month! |
| 06:13:55 | captain_proton | hopefully when i check in all this code for particles it'll start a trend |
| 06:14:50 | MrApathyCream | when being the operative word |
| 06:15:10 | captain_proton | its mostly ready |
| 06:15:24 | captain_proton | just gotta make it render with the SceneVisitorRender'er |
| 06:15:33 | captain_proton | works with the SimpleRender'er |
| 06:20:36 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: hey. =( |
| 06:21:04 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: ? |
| 06:21:12 | BZFlag | I don't see anything wrong with allowing the radar/msgs to be opaque if someone want them to be. |
| 06:21:21 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:21:25 | BZFlag | that's a trivial piece of code, no? |
| 06:21:26 | captain_proton | we should make it as difficult as possible |
| 06:21:33 | MrApathyCream | fine by me |
| 06:21:34 | BZFlag | why? |
| 06:21:35 | captain_proton | include the opacity as a value in a random .rgb |
| 06:21:39 | captain_proton | =} |
| 06:21:48 | BZFlag | heh, now that would fit well. ;-) |
| 06:21:54 | captain_proton | extend the legacy of the panel |
| 06:22:05 | captain_proton | now that its gone, we need something to make newbie hackers go wtf? |
| 06:22:38 | captain_proton | you have no idea how long i stared at that |
| 06:23:22 | MrApathyCream | even completely transparent? ;) |
| 06:24:09 | MrApathyCream | 1.7e6.1a? |
| 06:24:18 | captain_proton | eek |
| 06:24:29 | captain_proton | no a |
| 06:27:10 | BZFlag | 1.7e8 if it ever happens |
| 06:27:24 | BZFlag | I really want to get 1.8 underway now though. |
| 06:27:36 | captain_proton | but - what will people think if we do two releases quickly? |
| 06:28:39 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 06:28:58 | captain_proton | we can't let them get the impression that people are actually -working- on bzflag |
| 06:28:58 | MrApathyCream | rcam money came thru? |
| 06:29:08 | captain_proton | must be |
| 06:34:11 | MrApathyCream | would be nice if objects didn't have ambient colors when texturing |
| 06:34:29 | captain_proton | that it would |
| 06:35:11 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:35:21 | MrApathyCream | grass isn't always green :() |
| 06:35:32 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: breaks software rendering |
| 06:37:34 | MrApathyCream | whys that/ |
| 06:37:43 | iLLf8d | hey guys how tough would it be to add in a few cool new features almost like the x client |
| 06:37:46 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: well, not necessarily software rendering |
| 06:37:51 | captain_proton | but if texturing is off |
| 06:37:55 | captain_proton | and you have no ambient color |
| 06:37:59 | captain_proton | its grey |
| 06:38:07 | iLLf8d | like a game of tag for bz or supertanks for hounds to the hunted style games etc...? |
| 06:38:41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:38:43 | iLLf8d | or something like kill the guy |
| 06:38:49 | captain_proton | probably wouldn't be -too- tough |
| 06:38:54 | iLLf8d | ie you get the flag and you get points for how long you keep it |
| 06:39:23 | iLLf8d | IE add in other games not just kill everyone and ctf |
| 06:39:28 | iLLf8d | those are getting tired |
| 06:39:54 | iLLf8d | or how about reverse ctf |
| 06:40:08 | captain_proton | get your flag to the base? |
| 06:40:10 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: yes, what i want is if texturing is on, no ambient color, if off then ambient color |
| 06:40:13 | iLLf8d | ie when a flag is taken outta your base you blow up |
| 06:40:33 | iLLf8d | make the based each either 1/4 or 1/2 the field (depending on 2 or 4 team ctf) |
| 06:40:39 | iLLf8d | so that puts everyone in defense mode |
| 06:40:50 | iLLf8d | or at least assures and attack and a defense |
| 06:40:51 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:40:53 | MrApathyCream | iLLf8d: I have a king of the hill game style on sf |
| 06:41:09 | iLLf8d | MrApathyCream: hows that work? |
| 06:41:13 | iLLf8d | you use a flag or something? |
| 06:41:16 | MrApathyCream | iLLf8d: Breaks protocol though, so it's a no go till 1.8 at least |
| 06:41:28 | MrApathyCream | High score player gets a white tank, all others are roque. |
| 06:41:34 | iLLf8d | oh hmm |
| 06:41:37 | iLLf8d | very nice |
| 06:41:42 | MrApathyCream | only get points for killing white tank if your a rogue |
| 06:41:46 | MrApathyCream | vice-versa |
| 06:41:53 | iLLf8d | couldn't that be handled in server code? ie |
| 06:41:56 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 06:42:02 | iLLf8d | no rogues aloud |
| 06:42:06 | MrApathyCream | when white tank gets killed, new tank is elected based on score |
| 06:42:10 | iLLf8d | and have the server set the one rogue |
| 06:42:16 | MrApathyCream | that it does. |
| 06:42:17 | iLLf8d | allowed even heh |
| 06:42:28 | MrApathyCream | client needs to know about the new team, and scoring rules |
| 06:42:41 | iLLf8d | hmm so client handles scoring? |
| 06:42:52 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:42:54 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:43:05 | iLLf8d | they still relying on the client to handle these things in 1.8? |
| 06:43:18 | MrApathyCream | at the moment, but prhaps will change |
| 06:43:22 | iLLf8d | unless you move some of it back to the server you'll always be boned |
| 06:43:29 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:43:40 | captain_proton | it needs to change, at least somewhat |
| 06:44:02 | MrApathyCream | the major problem is deaths, from a non-cheat pov, server should handle when tank gets destroyed |
| 06:44:07 | iLLf8d | would be neat to make a hovertanks world |
| 06:44:13 | MrApathyCream | yet, it would make 'user experience' not as good |
| 06:44:24 | iLLf8d | then when you jump you fall down and bounce back up heh |
| 06:44:25 | MrApathyCream | the wings patch is pretty nice |
| 06:44:26 | captain_proton | obstacle with no visual geometry associated =| |
| 06:44:30 | captain_proton | wings patch? |
| 06:44:32 | iLLf8d | almost like reverse jumping |
| 06:44:38 | MrApathyCream | can drive in air. |
| 06:44:42 | MrApathyCream | er, steer |
| 06:44:51 | captain_proton | oh |
| 06:44:51 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:44:56 | MrApathyCream | and move horizontally |
| 06:45:02 | MrApathyCream | still bound by gravity |
| 06:45:13 | captain_proton | crs's physics code had that because it wasn't de-implemented - it felt gross |
| 06:45:28 | iLLf8d | seems noone wants to play anything different, can't we organize a 12 on 12 attack the castle style game? (ie 2 teams) |
| 06:45:46 | iLLf8d | noone seems interested in anything different |
| 06:46:06 | MrApathyCream | iLLf8d: i agree, too much random worlds |
| 06:46:18 | captain_proton | i want new things |
| 06:46:19 | iLLf8d | I don't even mind the random worlds just the univentive people |
| 06:46:32 | captain_proton | *cough*Chestal*cough |
| 06:46:46 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 06:47:19 | iLLf8d | I mean it'd be cool to make a building and put one team up there and say we have to hold this rooftop |
| 06:47:20 | MrApathyCream | texture dropping on deactivation is a pain in the butt |
| 06:47:27 | iLLf8d | once all our players are blown off we lose |
| 06:47:35 | MrApathyCream | that it would |
| 06:47:42 | iLLf8d | ie you can jump back on but need one of your teams guys on rooftop at all times |
| 06:47:42 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:47:51 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: start writing these down |
| 06:48:03 | iLLf8d | they need organization and people willing to play |
| 06:48:06 | MrApathyCream | (on sf) |
| 06:48:10 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:48:17 | iLLf8d | that seems to be the biggest issue |
| 06:48:36 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: care to port over your king of the hill? |
| 06:48:46 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: if not i'll do it (once particles are working) |
| 06:49:49 | MrApathyCream | towhat, 1.8? |
| 06:49:54 | captain_proton | yaya |
| 06:50:01 | captain_proton | what else is there? ;) |
| 06:50:11 | MrApathyCream | e8e8e8e8e8e8e8e8 |
| 06:50:19 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:50:33 | captain_proton | forbids you from breakz0ring protocol |
| 06:50:34 | MrApathyCream | aka farting pumpkin 2002 |
| 06:50:39 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:51:53 | MrApathyCream | i could do that, spose |
| 06:52:12 | captain_proton | three cheers for development |
| 06:52:39 | MrApathyCream | has about 23 bzflag directories with various code bases. Makes 24 |
| 06:53:02 | captain_proton | i'm down to 3 now |
| 06:53:09 | captain_proton | 1.8 clean, 1.8 working, 1.7e6 |
| 06:53:35 | iLLf8d | why not have a b0rked protocol field |
| 06:53:45 | iLLf8d | have a b0rked client for it |
| 06:53:52 | iLLf8d | and just don't let the old clients connect |
| 06:53:57 | iLLf8d | just like with the 1.8 server |
| 06:54:20 | iLLf8d | you can scrap it once 1.8 comes out and port the code to 1.8 |
| 06:54:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: why not just do it in 1.8 now? |
| 06:54:52 | MrApathyCream | thinks 1.8 should have been 2.0 |
| 06:54:56 | iLLf8d | from what i've heard in channel everyones waiting for the code to mature ... |
| 06:55:12 | MrApathyCream | like a fine wine |
| 06:55:13 | iLLf8d | ie for a few people to get to coding when they actually have time from reality |
| 06:55:16 | MrApathyCream | er, whine |
| 06:55:20 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:55:51 | iLLf8d | everyone works so... seems 1.8 was percolating along there for a while then hit a speed bump |
| 06:56:50 | captain_proton | well - i'm working on some big stuff |
| 06:56:52 | captain_proton | crs & tim are working on huge things |
| 06:58:08 | iLLf8d | cool thought they were busy |
| 06:58:19 | iLLf8d | or got that impression that their time was at a premium lately |
| 06:58:42 | captain_proton | well - they are |
| 06:59:04 | captain_proton | but the nature of what they're doing necessitates long pauses in checkins anyway |
| 07:02:49 | MrApathyCream | breaks 1.8 protocol |
| 07:02:54 | captain_proton | woo |
| 07:03:50 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:03:58 | captain_proton | maybe a good time to port in some of the flag patches |
| 07:04:18 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 07:04:36 | MrApathyCream | I'd better just add patches, no? |
| 07:05:21 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 07:05:25 | captain_proton | do them one at a time, k? |
| 07:05:37 | captain_proton | i'm gonna go shower |
| 07:06:00 | MrApathyCream | wondered where the stench was coming from |
| 07:24:26 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:26:11 | akira_ | moin |
| 07:47:16 | Guardian | Just got three cheaters. |
| 07:47:37 | Guardian | Perhaps we should set up a central repository for IPs of cheaters |
| 07:47:59 | Guardian | But most of all I would like the banlist to carry over a server shutdown/restart |
| 07:48:16 | Guardian | No I just write them down and re-enter them |
| 07:48:18 | Guardian | Now* |
| 07:51:16 | akira_ | cu all |
| 07:57:56 | MrApathyCream | tosses in towel for the nite, muttering 'he lubs e6' |
| 11:58:18 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:04:23 | iLLf8d | wow |
| 12:04:30 | iLLf8d | I found some huge bug heh |
| 12:04:38 | iLLf8d | dunno where it is tho |
| 12:04:44 | iLLf8d | or why |
| 12:05:09 | iLLf8d | whatever it is it almost freezes my screen for 1-2 seconds and I get server lag warnings messages in the 1000s |
| 12:37:12 | Chestal | happens always? sometimes? rarely? |
| 12:49:02 | pnm | I've had that, occasionally, on v full servers |
| 13:38:10 | Widget | What's all this fuss about the new display for e6? |
| 13:38:57 | Widget | Interesting. |
| 13:40:30 | Widget | Hm. |
| 13:41:57 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 13:41:59 | akira_ | moin |
| 13:49:19 | Widget | akira_ is from Schlieswig-Holstein. |
| 13:49:25 | Widget | That is why he uses 'moin'. |
| 13:50:09 | tAd_ | rolls his eyes |
| 13:50:55 | Widget | Moin, tAd_. |
| 13:51:08 | tAd_ | moin |
| 13:51:10 | tAd_ | :P |
| 13:51:12 | tAd_ | ah |
| 13:51:17 | tAd_ | breakfast time.... |
| 13:51:20 | tAd_ | :) |
| 14:11:01 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 14:11:07 | iLLf8d | hey widget you got a min? |
| 15:38:47 | jzaun | I'm working on a new map, but every time I try to use it my client freezes... what would cause that? |
| 15:40:13 | Chestal | hmm, that's strange. For CTF or free for all? |
| 15:40:30 | Chestal | and when exactly does it freeze? |
| 15:40:57 | jzaun | after I connect it freezes and ffa |
| 15:41:15 | Chestal | right after connecting? not when you right-click to start the game? |
| 15:41:39 | jzaun | the server says I connect (my IP is show, but my callsign isn't displayed in the debug messages |
| 15:41:48 | jzaun | right after connecting |
| 15:42:02 | Chestal | huhm, client and server version? |
| 15:42:10 | jzaun | latest |
| 15:42:22 | Chestal | and when you use a different map it works? |
| 15:42:40 | Chestal | latest=e4 or e6? |
| 15:42:50 | jzaun | e6 and a diff map works |
| 15:43:22 | Chestal | soemthign special about your map? you have some free space on groundlevel, yes? |
| 15:43:32 | jzaun | yes |
| 15:43:37 | Chestal | I do not know too much about custom maps |
| 15:43:51 | Chestal | can I try and connect your server? |
| 15:44:00 | jzaun | I can send it to you, or I can make the server public |
| 15:44:18 | jzaun | jzaun.static.telerama.com |
| 15:44:22 | Chestal | well, I can connect to it if I know the address, does not have to be in the server list |
| 15:44:24 | Chestal | ok |
| 15:44:26 | Chestal | 5155? |
| 15:44:32 | jzaun | yes |
| 15:46:48 | Chestal | my client freezes, too |
| 15:46:54 | Chestal | onsuming 100% CPU |
| 15:47:02 | Chestal | I suppose your map is not 100MB insize? :-) |
| 15:47:07 | jzaun | no.. |
| 15:47:14 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 15:47:22 | jzaun | 4.6K |
| 15:47:25 | Chestal | I guess it's best when you submit a bug report on sf and attach your world |
| 15:48:10 | jzaun | will do.. just very strange, loads in bzedit just fine |
| 15:48:19 | Chestal | yep, this should be fixed |
| 15:48:45 | Chestal | we might have another final 1.7 release in some days, 1.7e8. If we do, maybe we can fix this for that release |
| 15:49:35 | jzaun | well if I can get to SF I'll post a bug report... SF has been *very* slow lately |
| 15:49:52 | Chestal | I have just used it, it wasn't blazingly fast, but ok |
| 15:50:04 | jzaun | It keeps timeing out on me |
| 15:50:07 | Chestal | if it doesn't work, try again later here when more peopel are here, I have to go now |
| 15:50:27 | jzaun | ok, thanks for the help |
| 15:50:40 | Chestal | my pleasure :-) |
| 16:51:58 | iLLf8d | hey chestal |
| 16:52:00 | iLLf8d | you around? |
| 16:52:12 | iLLf8d | how do you get ducati to only have 2 flag bases? |
| 16:52:26 | iLLf8d | whenever I try to load a ctf game with 2 it says the other 2 aren't defined and bails |
| 18:57:47 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 18:57:52 | FantaZee | tag auch |
| 18:58:18 | Chestal | Sonntag Moles <-> Zees? ;-) |
| 18:58:18 | FantaZee | e7 rulez ;-) |
| 18:58:30 | Chestal | f7 von MrApathyCream? |
| 18:58:37 | FantaZee | wenn alle da sind klaro |
| 18:58:52 | Chestal | naja, gegen ein anderes Team wär etwas spannender, mal sehen |
| 18:59:12 | FantaZee | die hab ich auch, ist ganz gut so nur die kommentare :( |
| 18:59:58 | Chestal | Fant: ehm, verstehe deinen letten Satz nicht |
| 19:01:10 | FantaZee | die version f7 hab ich laufen. ist schöner mit dem einstellbaren radar. nur die kommentare "wrecked by..." find ich blöde |
| 19:01:44 | Chestal | ach so |
| 19:01:53 | Chestal | die find cih auch schlecht, hab mich aber dran gewöhnt |
| 19:02:18 | Chestal | mir reicht die EInstellmöglichkeit in f7 aber nicht, ich will das alte HUD/GUI wie in E4 |
| 19:03:36 | FantaZee | geht so, da hab ich weniger probleme mit. wichtig ist für mich nur das man wieder das radar und die texte erkennen kann |
| 19:04:12 | Chestal | bei mir haperts allein schon an der Framerate |
| 19:04:31 | FantaZee | wieso, wieviel hast du denn ? |
| 19:04:46 | Chestal | das schwankt |
| 19:04:55 | Chestal | mit e4 auf freiem Feld: 30-50, mit e6 20-30 |
| 19:05:06 | Chestal | wenn grosse Gebaeude im Bidl sind, entsprechend weniger |
| 19:05:56 | FantaZee | uups, habe 120 :) du hast bestimmt..mit linux..ne matrox g400 oder ? |
| 19:07:10 | Chestal | ne, das ist im Buero mit ner ollen ATI bei 800x600 8bit, alles Software |
| 19:07:26 | Chestal | heir zuahuses Linux+g400 hab ich je nach EInstellung 60-110 fps |
| 19:07:30 | FantaZee | aua |
| 19:08:04 | Chestal | aber ich finds auch einfach falsch, dass der Sprung von e4 nach e6 dafür sorgt, dass viele mit alten Rechnern nich tmehr spielen können |
| 19:08:11 | Chestal | das kann man bei 1.7->1.8 machen |
| 19:09:03 | FantaZee | wieso, willst du dir dann einen neuen rechner kaufen ? |
| 19:11:19 | Chestal | naja, 1.8 ist ja eh inkompatibel, da kan man ruhig grössere nderungen machen |
| 19:11:44 | Chestal | wird ja eh noch ewig bis zum release duaern |
| 19:11:49 | Chestal | dieses Jahr rechen ich nich tmehr damit |
| 19:13:56 | FantaZee | ich geh noch ein bisschen daddeln. muss gleich auf harten stühlen sitzen, bier trinken und knobeln. urgs. bis die tage |
| 19:14:04 | Chestal | uh, Stress :-) |
| 19:14:11 | Chestal | bis dann |
| 19:14:18 | FantaZee | mach gut :-) |
| 19:31:22 | freelancer | hi captain |
| 19:31:49 | captain_proton | hi |
| 19:32:09 | freelancer | we going to play tonight???? |
| 19:33:11 | jpablo | humm, you can play against us if you are complete tonight. |
| 19:33:47 | freelancer | its up to meq leader captain Proton |
| 19:34:32 | freelancer | if not i'll go fishing on my kayak |
| 19:35:24 | captain_proton | we will if tank is around |
| 19:35:37 | freelancer | ok |
| 19:35:41 | captain_proton | depending on the time as well - i'll be gone for about 1.5 hours |
| 19:36:52 | freelancer | have one ? does anyone know where bzc file is in windows i want to change opacity for 17f7 |
| 19:37:03 | jpablo | well, guglmty players will start arriving this place in about 3hours. |
| 19:37:11 | captain_proton | freelancer: check your my documents folder |
| 19:37:26 | freelancer | thanks |
| 19:39:24 | captain_proton | bah @ particles |
| 19:42:37 | freelancer | unfortunatly i'm a unix guy and don;t know windows too well,no bzc in my docs folder |
| 19:42:52 | captain_proton | freelancer: go to find file |
| 19:43:31 | freelancer | tried it just gives me bzflag .exe file |
| 19:44:35 | captain_proton | there's a bzflag.bzc somewhere |
| 19:44:45 | patlabor221 | are you under windows 2k |
| 19:44:56 | freelancer | no problem i;ll use it the way it is for now |
| 19:45:12 | freelancer | stupid windows me |
| 19:45:41 | patlabor221 | hmm |
| 19:45:56 | patlabor221 | don't know where the "special" folder is nder ME |
| 19:46:01 | patlabor221 | prolby windows dir |
| 19:46:05 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:46:06 | tAd | ah |
| 19:46:12 | tAd | did you RUN bzlag yet? |
| 19:46:16 | tAd | flag* |
| 19:46:18 | freelancer | yes |
| 19:46:20 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:46:31 | tAd | gears are grinding |
| 19:46:32 | patlabor221 | realy shoudl just put it in GetWindowsDir() that's where you are suposed to store configs |
| 19:46:40 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:46:58 | tAd | you can modify the opacty in the bzc file? |
| 19:47:08 | tAd | tick. |
| 19:47:12 | freelancer | in 17f7 version |
| 19:47:27 | tAd | ah |
| 19:47:31 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:47:40 | tAd | bugger all, I dunno |
| 19:47:42 | tAd | :P |
| 19:47:52 | freelancer | no worries |
| 19:47:56 | tAd | mine is in the my documents folder |
| 19:48:00 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:48:18 | tAd | goto c:\windows\profiles |
| 19:48:19 | patlabor221 | I'll looking at MDSN now to see what the function returns |
| 19:48:23 | tAd | and click on your name |
| 19:48:45 | tAd | and then on my documents |
| 19:48:49 | tAd | if not... |
| 19:48:57 | tAd | then c:\my documents |
| 19:49:01 | tAd | if not |
| 19:49:14 | tAd | you dont have my documents install |
| 19:49:21 | tAd | and I dunno where it is |
| 19:49:24 | patlabor221 | it put mine in my docs for the admin acount |
| 19:49:32 | tAd | hmm |
| 19:49:35 | tAd | well |
| 19:49:40 | tAd | :) |
| 19:49:44 | tAd | wierd.... |
| 19:50:15 | | tAd: what? |
| 19:50:15 | tAd | ibot time |
| 19:50:18 | | you are a person that his IQ is 115 |
| 19:50:18 | tAd | ibot me? |
| 19:51:47 | freelancer | this is why i love unix and hate windows |
| 19:52:25 | patlabor221 | well if the correct function had been used it would have been easy |
| 19:52:32 | freelancer | bbl going to look again |
| 20:01:29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:01:35 | captain_proton | watching particles is relaxing |
| 20:01:39 | captain_proton | like bubbles in a fish tank |
| 20:44:44 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 21:00:57 | captain_proton | breaks down and emails crs for help |
| 21:01:49 | Chestal | particles? |
| 21:01:53 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 21:02:04 | captain_proton | i got it working with the SimpleRender'er but not the real Render'er |
| 21:03:09 | freelancer | hey captain any luck with tankenstien |
| 21:03:14 | captain_proton | not so far |
| 21:03:29 | freelancer | dam |
| 21:04:26 | Widget | What about tankenstein? |
| 21:05:01 | freelancer | need him to play a match |
| 21:08:14 | captain_proton | we should come up with a procedure for selecting which flags get accepted |
| 21:09:57 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:10:07 | tAd | how do you use the magnet flag? |
| 21:10:17 | captain_proton | magnet flag? |
| 21:10:17 | tAd | I see it in the code... |
| 21:10:21 | tAd | yea |
| 21:10:26 | captain_proton | where? |
| 21:10:28 | tAd | um |
| 21:10:38 | tAd | global.h I think |
| 21:10:47 | tAd | down near the bottom |
| 21:10:50 | captain_proton | 1.7? |
| 21:10:56 | tAd | yea |
| 21:11:12 | captain_proton | // the rest are not yet implemented |
| 21:11:18 | tAd | ah |
| 21:11:21 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:12:03 | tAd | This version has many improvements, including lower lag and a new look. |
| 21:12:12 | tAd | how does it lower lag? |
| 21:12:18 | captain_proton | it throttles messages |
| 21:12:25 | captain_proton | normally player updates were sent depending on framerate |
| 21:12:29 | tAd | oh? |
| 21:12:33 | tAd | I see... |
| 21:12:37 | captain_proton | so people with fast graphics cards sent lots of updates |
| 21:12:44 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:12:46 | captain_proton | it restricts it to 30 msgs/second |
| 21:12:47 | tAd | is that bad? |
| 21:13:01 | captain_proton | sorta bad - you don't need that much information |
| 21:13:06 | tAd | oh |
| 21:13:27 | tAd | and older computers where lagged even if they had DSL or cable |
| 21:13:31 | tAd | right? |
| 21:13:41 | captain_proton | well sorta |
| 21:13:46 | captain_proton | its more an impact on the 56kers |
| 21:13:47 | tAd | hehe |
| 21:13:52 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:13:58 | Chestal | well, it only was a problem for some peaks |
| 21:14:04 | Chestal | and low bandwidth connections |
| 21:14:07 | tAd | heh |
| 21:14:11 | tAd | :) |
| 21:14:17 | tAd | cant wait for 1.8 |
| 21:14:18 | Chestal | but throttlign is good anyway and will help a little |
| 21:14:19 | tAd | :) |
| 21:14:24 | tAd | yea |
| 21:14:37 | captain_proton | good for marketing =) |
| 21:14:41 | tAd | heh |
| 21:14:49 | tAd | microsoft way.... |
| 21:15:00 | captain_proton | except its actually true |
| 21:15:09 | tAd | hehe |
| 21:15:14 | tAd | so |
| 21:15:15 | captain_proton | 56kers -will- experience lower lag |
| 21:15:17 | tAd | about 1.8..... |
| 21:15:22 | tAd | ah |
| 21:15:33 | tAd | but not me.... I wont have lower lag... |
| 21:15:52 | captain_proton | depending on your upstream you may |
| 21:16:05 | tAd | yea... |
| 21:16:12 | tAd | ADSL is like that |
| 21:16:18 | captain_proton | plus if other players have lower lag, it feels better to you |
| 21:16:26 | tAd | heh |
| 21:16:42 | tAd | um |
| 21:16:43 | Chestal | tad: and you will receive fewer messages from the server once more peopel upgrade |
| 21:16:46 | Chestal | tad: that cannot hurt |
| 21:16:49 | tAd | lol |
| 21:16:51 | tAd | yea |
| 21:17:02 | tAd | um MAC OS X support? |
| 21:17:27 | Chestal | hmm, isn't OS X support in 1.7? |
| 21:17:35 | tAd | yea |
| 21:17:40 | tAd | I saw that.... |
| 21:17:43 | tAd | but how? |
| 21:17:46 | tAd | is there a bin? |
| 21:18:01 | Chestal | I guess so far only .deb and win32? haven't checked |
| 21:18:13 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:18:15 | tAd | brb |
| 21:18:17 | captain_proton | src and i386 rpms are up |
| 21:18:30 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:18:41 | tAd | but no PPC bin yet for OS X |
| 21:18:43 | tAd | :( |
| 21:18:47 | captain_proton | the only older packages are the IRIX tardists and ppc rpms |
| 21:18:53 | tAd | heh |
| 21:19:02 | tAd | OS X does not use RPMs |
| 21:19:09 | tAd | uses gzip |
| 21:19:10 | tAd | :) |
| 21:19:31 | captain_proton | tAd: but PPC linux uses rpms |
| 21:19:38 | tAd | yea |
| 21:19:44 | tAd | hmm |
| 21:19:56 | tAd | but hey, the dev software for the OS X is free.... |
| 21:29:31 | akira_ | abnd |
| 22:33:33 | goofey | hey all - what's the name os guardians server at homelinux? |
| 22:38:11 | arathorn | hi all |
| 22:38:24 | arathorn | on ducati we have team killer |
| 22:38:30 | arathorn | any can kick him? |
| 22:38:52 | arathorn | he use nick saddam husein |
| 22:39:36 | arathorn | all sleep?????? |
| 22:39:40 | arathorn | :((((( |
| 22:57:30 | angelina | hi |
| 23:10:43 | jpablo | hello, any complete team here ? |
| 23:18:22 | OoOoO | howdy |
| 23:18:44 | jpablo | hey frootloop, are you ready to play :- |
| 23:18:46 | jpablo | ? |
| 23:18:54 | Widget | Hm. |
| 23:19:03 | Widget | GUGLMty v. FrOoT LoOps? |
| 23:19:15 | jpablo | dunno. |
| 23:19:23 | jpablo | just trying to get a match anywhere. |
| 23:19:36 | Widget | Poor FrOoT LoOps... don't go too hard on them, jpablo. |
| 23:19:50 | OoOoO | well, yeah, but we are playing the Avengers at 8:00 est. You guys want to play right after?? |
| 23:20:20 | OoOoO | so 8:30 est jpablo? |
| 23:20:22 | jpablo | maybe we can play the avengers since we already play against you. |
| 23:20:29 | jpablo | OoOoO: we will be here. |
| 23:20:34 | OoOoO | no, we have a match set up with them |
| 23:20:50 | jpablo | OoOoO: we can play avengers afther you do i mean. |
| 23:21:06 | freelancer | hi captain any luck with tank |
| 23:21:07 | OoOoO | oh ok |
| 23:21:14 | Widget | The fourth FrOoT Loop! Hi, froot! |
| 23:21:31 | Widget | freelancer: captain_proton has disappeared as well. |
| 23:21:45 | freelancer | dam as hoping to play |
| 23:21:49 | freelancer | was |
| 23:22:22 | jpablo | freelancer: i tink captain_proton was goin to be out for about 2 hours. |
| 23:22:33 | jpablo | two hours one hour ago :-P |
| 23:22:39 | freelancer | should of gone fishing |
| 23:23:39 | freelancer | i'll be back later then |
| 23:23:50 | jpablo | ok. |
| 23:23:51 | pragma | is away: NO ESTOY |
| 23:24:24 | Widget | What does 'no estoy' mean, jpablo? |
| 23:24:33 | jpablo | i'm not here. |
| 23:24:38 | Widget | OK. |
| 23:25:14 | OoOoO | would anyone be able to ref the Avenger vs. FrOot LoOp match in a 1/2 hour?? |
| 23:26:18 | jpablo | i will ... |
| 23:26:30 | OoOoO | cool, thx jpablo. |
| 23:26:49 | OoOoO | should be on ducati 59000 at 8:00 est., if everyone shows. |
| 23:26:51 | Widget | OoOoO: I suppose you loops are shaking in your shoes, eh? |
| 23:26:55 | jpablo | humm. |
| 23:27:04 | OoOoO | what? |
| 23:27:15 | Widget | OoOoO: Don't worry.... you probably won't lose by more than 5 points. |
| 23:27:16 | jpablo | 1/2 hour = one hour and an half ? |
| 23:27:26 | OoOoO | no |
| 23:27:34 | Widget | 30 munites. |
| 23:27:35 | Widget | Minutes. |
| 23:27:38 | OoOoO | thx widget |
| 23:27:45 | jpablo | humm. |
| 23:27:50 | OoOoO | no widget us loops dont shake much :) |
| 23:27:58 | jpablo | [jpablo@amy jpablo]$ date |
| 23:27:58 | jpablo | Thu Jun 20 18:33:02 EST 2002 |
| 23:28:51 | Widget | OoOoO: Where did you get your team picture? |
| 23:28:54 | OoOoO | so widget whats your score prediction again?? |
| 23:28:59 | OoOoO | you like? |
| 23:29:05 | OoOoO | a teammate did it. |
| 23:29:13 | Widget | OoOoO: I remember it was pretty funny. |
| 23:29:18 | jpablo | OoOoO: are you sure 8:00 EST will be in half of a hour ? |
| 23:29:20 | Widget | Oh! You have a new one! |
| 23:29:24 | Widget | OoOoO: I liked the old one better. |
| 23:29:40 | OoOoO | aaaah, yeah, by my clock it is, i have 7:27 est right now. |
| 23:29:48 | OoOoO | EST sorry. |
| 23:30:14 | jpablo | humm, my machine say 6:30 EST. |
| 23:30:14 | OoOoO | your date thing you just did seems off by an hour. |
| 23:30:29 | OoOoO | yeah, must not have changed for daylight savings |
| 23:30:54 | Widget | Yes. |
| 23:31:00 | jpablo | humm, but when you changue daylight you changue timezone don't you ? |
| 23:31:04 | Widget | My international clock says it is 7:30 now EST. |
| 23:31:12 | OoOoO | jpablo: You mean you lost an hour today and you dont know where?? |
| 23:31:21 | OoOoO | You werent abducted by aliens were you? |
| 23:31:28 | jpablo | ... |
| 23:31:35 | Widget | But Mexico isn't in the Eastern timezone! |
| 23:31:55 | Widget | Your time sounds like "Midwest" time. |
| 23:32:01 | Widget | Er... |
| 23:32:03 | Widget | Central. |
| 23:32:04 | Widget | Whatever they call it. |
| 23:32:12 | jpablo | humm. |
| 23:32:15 | OoOoO | yeah, central |
| 23:32:30 | jpablo | but in dayligth saving time you changue timezone don't you ? |
| 23:32:30 | Widget | See, having more than one timezone in a country is just confusing. |
| 23:32:35 | Widget | jpablo: Nope. |
| 23:32:38 | OoOoO | jpablo no |
| 23:32:44 | Widget | jpablo: You just set your clock an hour agead or behind. |
| 23:33:00 | Widget | jpablo: Every timezone (in countries that follow DST) simply changes its time to one hour different. |
| 23:33:00 | jpablo | humm. |
| 23:33:14 | Widget | jpablo: You stay in the same timezone. |
| 23:33:20 | OoOoO | well, i better go get warmed up, i will be back in a bit. |
| 23:33:26 | Widget | OKOKOL. |
| 23:33:31 | Widget | Where will you get warmed up? |
| 23:33:38 | jpablo | humm, my linux say 6:30 EST. |
| 23:33:42 | jpablo | and i'm using ntpdate. |
| 23:34:03 | jpablo | let me recheck that. |
| 23:34:14 | Widget | You can check it on the web. |
| 23:34:20 | Widget | Or go listen to the BBC. |
| 23:35:50 | jpablo | well GMT is 23:40 |
| 23:36:23 | Widget | Yes. |
| 23:36:25 | Widget | That's correct. |
| 23:36:29 | Widget | We're 12 hours ahead of GMT. |
| 23:37:32 | jpablo | daylight saving time SUCKS. |
| 23:37:42 | jpablo | it's managed as another variable. |
| 23:37:50 | captain_proton | yay for rain |
| 23:38:01 | jpablo | so you have to say: I'm on EST with daylight saving time. |
| 23:38:25 | Widget | It's called EDT. |
| 23:38:37 | jpablo | what's EDT ? |
| 23:38:43 | captain_proton | eastern daylight time |
| 23:38:48 | Widget | EST is Eastern Standard Time, i.e. not daylight savings time. |
| 23:39:00 | Widget | Daylight Savings Time in the East part of Canada and the US is EDT. |
| 23:39:27 | Widget | finds it interesting that currently Greenwich is GMT+1. |
| 23:39:56 | captain_proton | thats why its called UTC no2w |
| 23:39:57 | captain_proton | now* |
| 23:40:06 | Widget | UTC is slightly different from GMT. |
| 23:40:10 | captain_proton | nope |
| 23:40:19 | Widget | Yes. UTC is managed by atomic clock. |
| 23:40:29 | captain_proton | bah @ that |
| 23:40:32 | captain_proton | its the same time |
| 23:40:38 | Widget | Therefore, it's now off of GMT by a few milliseconds. |
| 23:40:40 | Widget | Er.... |
| 23:40:42 | Widget | Less than that. |
| 23:41:01 | Widget | Nothing significant. |
| 23:41:03 | jpablo | and where's GMT time managed ? |
| 23:41:08 | Widget | It'll make a difference in a few thousand years. |
| 23:41:31 | Widget | GMT time is probably managed by another atomic clock... or maybe by a less accurate clock. |
| 23:41:33 | captain_proton | however, in a few thousand years, i won't care |
| 23:41:40 | Widget | Or most likely of all, just set by the British Government. |
| 23:41:54 | Widget | Following the clock in Blair's office. |
| 23:42:02 | Widget | captain_proton: Don't be too sure. |
| 23:42:08 | captain_proton | ok |
| 23:42:10 | Widget | The life expectancy is growing faster and faster. |
| 23:42:12 | captain_proton | i'm reasonably sure i won't care |
| 23:42:17 | captain_proton | consider i don't really care right now |
| 23:42:22 | Widget | If it grows faster than one year per year, I will never reach my life expectancy. |
| 23:42:34 | Widget | And therefore, I will never be expected to die. |
| 23:42:59 | captain_proton | this rain effect looks -sweet- =D |
| 23:43:04 | Widget | Lemme see. |
| 23:43:14 | captain_proton | hang on - gotta clean up the source tree |
| 23:43:18 | jpablo | rain ? |
| 23:43:27 | jpablo | the sun is roasting my back. |
| 23:43:28 | Widget | jpablo: Particles for 1.8. |
| 23:43:33 | blackhound | hello all |
| 23:43:40 | jpablo | oh. |
| 23:43:43 | blackhound | OoOoO: heya |
| 23:43:43 | jpablo | updates cvs. |
| 23:43:52 | blackhound | hi Widget |
| 23:43:54 | Widget | Weird.... no BZFlag servers up. |
| 23:43:56 | blackhound | 'lo Chestal |
| 23:43:57 | Widget | hihihi, blackhound. |
| 23:44:00 | Widget | seen Chestal |
| 23:44:06 | | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 26 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: I guess so far only .deb and win32? haven't checked [Thu Jun 20 22:18:01 2002] |
| 23:44:06 | Widget | ibot: Seen Chestal |
| 23:44:27 | Widget | Chestal was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 26 minutes and 5 seconds ago |
| 23:44:47 | captain_proton | accept the DCC, Widget |
| 23:45:09 | jpablo | captain_proton: is the rain effect in cvs ? |
| 23:45:09 | OoOoO | Hey blackhound |
| 23:45:11 | Widget | captain_proton: Wow... big file. |
| 23:45:16 | captain_proton | jpablo: no not yet |
| 23:45:21 | jpablo | captain_proton: can i get it ? |
| 23:45:21 | captain_proton | Widget: its an entire source tree |
| 23:45:33 | captain_proton | once you build it, 'bin/bzgview data/particles-test3.bzg' |
| 23:45:34 | blackhound | OoOoO: you ready? hehe |
| 23:45:39 | Widget | captain_proton: How do you save it to a differend directory? |
| 23:45:40 | captain_proton | uh - Widget? |
| 23:45:50 | captain_proton | Widget: in what? xchat? |
| 23:45:51 | OoOoO | yes we are, you have all 3 here yet? |
| 23:45:56 | Widget | captain_proton: Ja. |
| 23:45:58 | OoOoO | or are you ready black. |
| 23:46:08 | captain_proton | Widget: settings->DCC->download dir |
| 23:46:09 | blackhound | dont know where my mates are |
| 23:46:28 | Widget | captain_proton: There's no DCC option under 'Settings'. |
| 23:46:31 | captain_proton | jpablo: once widget has it, have him send it |
| 23:46:37 | captain_proton | settings->setup |
| 23:46:37 | jpablo | ok. |
| 23:46:41 | OoOoO | probably trying to stop their knees from shaking |
| 23:46:43 | jpablo | Widget: you have a fast link ? |
| 23:46:49 | OoOoO | :) |
| 23:47:22 | tAd | rain? |
| 23:47:22 | blackhound | OoOoO: nah |
| 23:47:24 | tAd | in bzflag? |
| 23:47:52 | captain_proton | Widget: just holler when you're ready to recieve |
| 23:47:58 | captain_proton | tAd: well - not quite yet - but soon |
| 23:48:03 | captain_proton | i've got the particle effect working |
| 23:48:27 | tAd | oh goody |
| 23:48:29 | captain_proton | its a beauty |
| 23:48:30 | tAd | :) |
| 23:48:35 | tAd | hmm |
| 23:48:46 | tAd | when will it get put into CVS? |
| 23:49:06 | captain_proton | as soon as it all works correctly |
| 23:49:13 | tAd | cool |
| 23:49:29 | tAd | will you release a alpha version soon? |
| 23:49:36 | tAd | beta |
| 23:49:42 | captain_proton | uhm - no |
| 23:49:42 | tAd | 1.8a1? |
| 23:49:44 | tAd | :P |
| 23:49:51 | tAd | just kiddin |
| 23:50:26 | captain_proton | pokes Widget |
| 23:51:57 | Widget | captain_proton: Clearing out stuff. |
| 23:52:17 | tAd | pokes the jello |
| 23:52:33 | OoOoO | blackhound: Any sign of ski and apache?? |
| 23:52:35 | Widget | captain_proton: OK, ready. |
| 23:52:52 | blackhound | OoOoO: nope |
| 23:52:56 | Widget | captain_proton: Merci. |
| 23:53:14 | OoOoO | Are they playing somewhere maybe? |
| 23:54:50 | blackhound | they are not on ducati |
| 23:55:59 | OoOoO | is ski on 59000? |
| 23:56:04 | OoOoO | or are you black? |
| 23:56:38 | blackhound | yeah ski is there |
| 23:56:42 | blackhound | so am I |
| 23:56:48 | blackhound | if apache comes here |
| 23:56:59 | blackhound | someonje please tell him to go to ducati on port 59000 |
| 23:57:04 | OoOoO | hmmm |
| 23:57:04 | Widget | captain_proton: Do you know how to find the IRQ and IO ports of devices? |
| 23:57:23 | OoOoO | black: you should probably stay logged on here dont you think? |
| 23:57:32 | OoOoO | leave ski on ducati |
| 23:57:52 | captain_proton | Widget: /proc/<blah> |
| 23:58:07 | captain_proton | for pci, lspci -vv summarizes everything nicely |
| 23:58:35 | Widget | captain_proton: What are those numbers in /proc? |
| 23:58:42 | Widget | captain_proton: And lspci was not found. |
| 23:59:00 | blackhound | ok |
| 23:59:06 | captain_proton | Widget: each of those is a directory - the number is the process id - they contain information about each process |
| 23:59:10 | blackhound | brb |
| 23:59:13 | captain_proton | Widget: install lspci |
