| 00:05:30 | Widget | captain_proton: Cure my lag! |
| 00:19:11 | captain_proton | grins @ CSS |
| 00:19:28 | taD_ | CSS? |
| 00:21:46 | captain_proton | cascading style sheets |
| 00:21:50 | taD_ | ah |
| 00:33:24 | BZFlag | do you use the cascading feature? |
| 00:35:24 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:35:35 | captain_proton | i'm gonna use the alternate stylesheet feature |
| 00:36:00 | captain_proton | complexspiral has inspired me |
| 00:37:40 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:38:43 | captain_proton | and my webpage is a steaming load of crud anyhow |
| 02:02:04 | jpablo | any |
| 02:02:13 | jpablo | complete team here ? |
| 02:13:14 | Widget | hihihi |
| 02:13:17 | Widget | I am a complete team. |
| 02:13:21 | Widget | captain_proton: Are you here? |
| 02:27:20 | BZFlag | hey sik |
| 02:40:09 | goofey | hey Widget |
| 03:09:56 | BZFlag | sik: I'm back |
| 03:57:36 | Widget | hihihi, goofey. |
| 04:02:15 | Widget | Lag kicks. |
| 04:02:17 | Widget | Are evil. |
| 04:21:54 | captain_proton | ooh, cvs commit |
| 04:22:03 | captain_proton | 'tis boring, though |
| 04:25:40 | Widget | hihihihihihihi |
| 04:28:34 | jpablo | lalala. |
| 04:28:53 | jpablo | the bzflaging never stop on the guglmty house lalala. |
| 04:29:18 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo. |
| 04:29:21 | Widget | I challenge your team. |
| 04:29:31 | jpablo | you and what army ? |
| 04:29:40 | Widget | Me and... um.... that tank I have. |
| 04:29:44 | Widget | Come on! |
| 04:29:48 | Widget | Are you chicken? |
| 04:29:52 | Widget | How much of a handicap do you want? |
| 04:29:55 | jpablo | i can with you alone. |
| 04:30:04 | Widget | Oh, yeah? |
| 04:30:08 | Widget | OK, let's see then! |
| 04:30:14 | jpablo | yeah and i can probe it on ducati. |
| 04:30:14 | Widget | ducati.bzflag.org 59000 |
| 04:30:28 | jpablo | i'm so there |
| 04:32:44 | patlabor221 | anyone know a good windows cvs client? |
| 04:33:05 | BZFlag | what other docs need updating before e6? |
| 04:33:24 | captain_proton | roaming keys should be documented |
| 04:33:49 | BZFlag | patlabor221: heard good things about http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 04:33:52 | captain_proton | dinah will lub yoo forever if you use the bit she wrote up |
| 04:33:59 | patlabor221 | bz: thanks |
| 04:34:02 | BZFlag | captain_proton: where is it? |
| 04:34:31 | captain_proton | i might have it in my inbox - hang on |
| 04:35:12 | captain_proton | forwarding it |
| 04:35:55 | BZFlag | cool |
| 04:36:09 | captain_proton | ponders on the prospect of dinah-lubbin |
| 04:36:31 | BZFlag | I slurped in http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZServerCommands.html |
| 04:36:44 | BZFlag | and added it to the bzfs man page. |
| 04:36:51 | captain_proton | that sounds almost dirty |
| 04:37:00 | captain_proton | is in a strange mood |
| 04:37:02 | BZFlag | I did not check the sources to see if it matches exactly. |
| 04:37:09 | captain_proton | lemme check |
| 04:37:40 | captain_proton | yep, current |
| 04:38:19 | MrApathyCream | captain_mcguyver will be famous! |
| 04:38:35 | captain_proton | captain wiggly to you |
| 04:39:08 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: on man pages |
| 04:39:30 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i do have half a clue |
| 04:39:54 | MrApathyCream | give it back, when your done |
| 04:40:04 | captain_proton | certainly |
| 04:41:13 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: cvsorg's works fine for me.. nuttin fancy i spose, but.... |
| 04:42:04 | BZFlag | man page had roaming stuff already. |
| 04:42:05 | patlabor221 | the tortice one is neat |
| 04:42:19 | patlabor221 | hooks into the OS Right mouse menu |
| 04:42:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: but the correct roaming stuff? |
| 04:44:19 | BZFlag | looks right to me |
| 04:44:29 | captain_proton | coo, coo |
| 04:45:50 | BZFlag | "add descriptions for observer+roaming and private messages to bzflag man page" chestal, may 30 |
| 04:46:17 | captain_proton | gonna release tonight? =D |
| 04:47:23 | BZFlag | I'm thinking I might, yeah. |
| 04:47:23 | | mrapathycream: i haven't a clue |
| 04:47:23 | MrApathyCream | ibot, dinah-lubbin? |
| 04:47:32 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 04:47:37 | captain_proton | oh we've gotta remedy that |
| 04:48:45 | patlabor221 | anyone know what I sould put for the "repository" dir to get form cvs? |
| 04:49:10 | captain_proton | cvsroot is /cvsroot/bzflag |
| 04:49:20 | Widget | Yaaaaaaaaaay! |
| 04:49:23 | jpablo | lag sucks. |
| 04:49:25 | captain_proton | entire server is :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 04:49:26 | Widget | brags. |
| 04:49:30 | Widget | 1-0! |
| 04:49:35 | Widget | Just like Germany v. Paraguay! |
| 04:49:44 | jpablo | nah, i wasn't really playing CTF. |
| 04:49:54 | jpablo | i don't like 1 vs 1 CTF. |
| 04:50:11 | Widget | Well, too bad. =P |
| 04:50:17 | Widget | I'll play your whole team CTF. |
| 04:50:17 | Widget | 3-1. |
| 04:50:31 | patlabor221 | damn it keeps asking for a password in this CVS client |
| 04:50:42 | captain_proton | patlabor221: just give it an empty password |
| 04:50:44 | jpablo | Widget: let's talk about the 5something -6(something) on the first map ! |
| 04:50:53 | patlabor221 | did it just comes back asking for it |
| 04:50:58 | Widget | jpablo: I wasn't even trying to get induvidual scores! |
| 04:51:08 | captain_proton | sure you're using pserver:anonymous? |
| 04:51:11 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:51:14 | jpablo | bah, next time let's define the rules. |
| 04:51:20 | Widget | jpablo: I was using a trick tankenstein taught me. He taught me how to find out where you're popping up. |
| 04:51:22 | patlabor221 | cp:I think :) |
| 04:51:33 | MrApathyCream | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 04:51:38 | BZFlag | Widget: explain? |
| 04:51:47 | patlabor221 | I don't get type the entire line in this thing |
| 04:51:59 | patlabor221 | what is the module name? |
| 04:52:04 | MrApathyCream | bzflag |
| 04:52:07 | Widget | BZFlag: tankenstein can tell the general area where he is going to pop up based on where he dies. |
| 04:52:09 | jpablo | well you generalty popup away of the opponets. |
| 04:52:23 | Widget | BZFlag: At least, before that new patch I think.... |
| 04:52:45 | BZFlag | Widget: huh? where you die should have no effect on where you pop up in either version. |
| 04:52:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: based on where the other players are |
| 04:53:05 | BZFlag | captain_proton: now that I believe. |
| 04:53:14 | captain_proton | its (a) not surprising and (b) uncorrectable |
| 04:53:20 | Widget | BZFlag: Then why do two players who kill each other usually pop up near each other? |
| 04:53:21 | jpablo | Widget: can you explain a little more ? |
| 04:53:41 | captain_proton | Widget: because their computers are both selecting the best place based on where the alive players are |
| 04:53:44 | Widget | jpablo: Ask iLL_Afk to explain it for you. He can do it better. |
| 04:53:47 | BZFlag | Widget: no idea. but if they do, then it would be a bug. |
| 04:53:50 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: add env var CVSROOT = :pserver:anonymous:@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 04:53:54 | MrApathyCream | to save typing |
| 04:53:56 | jpablo | Widget: maybe you have the log ... ? |
| 04:53:57 | captain_proton | Widget: so because its concurrent, they come up in the same area |
| 04:54:04 | Widget | jpablo: I don't log IRC conversations. |
| 04:54:05 | Widget | captain_proton: Ah. |
| 04:54:20 | jpablo | maybe ibot have logs ? |
| 04:54:21 | Widget | I was trying this out. |
| 04:54:25 | Widget | And I couldn't do it. |
| 04:54:25 | | wish i knew, jpablo |
| 04:54:26 | jpablo | ibot: do you have logs ? |
| 04:54:26 | captain_proton | which is also pretty uncorrectable |
| 04:54:34 | BZFlag | ahh. yes if two people pop at the same time it's possible they will pop close to each other. |
| 04:54:57 | BZFlag | if you just wait till the other pops, then you will likely pop someplace else. |
| 04:54:58 | MrApathyCream | Widget: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 04:55:16 | captain_proton | and frankly i get tired of tank continually bitching about how he can predict that he'll spawn in the most empty spot |
| 04:55:32 | Widget | MrApathyCream: I don't remember what date I had that conversation on! |
| 04:55:46 | Widget | captain_proton: But it's true! He can! |
| 04:55:50 | MrApathyCream | Widget: happy searching :P |
| 04:55:51 | Widget | captain_proton: Well, in a two player match. |
| 04:56:07 | captain_proton | Widget: but thats because -its supposed to- |
| 04:56:08 | captain_proton | its how it works |
| 04:56:18 | Widget | captain_proton: Yes, but he can do it! |
| 04:56:19 | captain_proton | so why does he bother going on and on about how its so special? |
| 04:56:20 | jpablo | MrApathyCream: are you on that machine ? |
| 04:56:24 | jpablo | MrApathyCream: do a zgrep :-D |
| 04:56:30 | captain_proton | Widget: so can everybody else who has more than half a clue |
| 04:56:36 | MrApathyCream | jpablo: no i think this is riker's |
| 04:56:39 | Widget | captain_proton: He can tell exactly what part of the map he'll pop up on. |
| 04:56:54 | jpablo | exactly ? |
| 04:57:00 | Widget | Very closely. |
| 04:57:03 | captain_proton | Widget: its not hard to do |
| 04:57:04 | | BZFlag: i'm not following you... |
| 04:57:04 | BZFlag | ibot logs? Tangents actually but my account. |
| 04:57:07 | jpablo | i can somewhat imagene where ... |
| 04:57:43 | Widget | captain_proton: Oh, yes. A team, no doubt scrounging at the bottom of the barrel has hired me. |
| 04:57:54 | Widget | captain_proton: So I won't find you a summer job! |
| 04:57:58 | Widget | captain_proton: Muahahahahahahaha! |
| 05:00:42 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: How do all the platform variations get built for release? |
| 05:01:04 | Widget | Wow! |
| 05:01:17 | Widget | GUGLMTY managed to score against the LoOps. |
| 05:03:14 | patlabor221 | ugg parents should not be given computers |
| 05:03:46 | Widget | If they are given computers, they should be iMacs. |
| 05:03:58 | MrApathyCream | ooof, not again... |
| 05:04:46 | patlabor221 | yeah but you can't run high end cad systems on an iMac like my dad seems to want to do. |
| 05:06:26 | captain_proton | why do they have to put pop songs on otherwise wonderful soundtracks? |
| 05:10:29 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: volunteers. I do debian and often win* (cause folks want it, not cause I like it) |
| 05:10:40 | BZFlag | and I put up a source tarball and source rpm |
| 05:11:30 | MrApathyCream | i notice other types are really lagging, ie 'o32 mips2 Irix 5.3 and up' |
| 05:11:37 | MrApathyCream | not supported anymore? |
| 05:11:48 | MrApathyCream | i can do win, if you like |
| 05:13:19 | BZFlag | just don't have access to irix boxes with gl headers and toolchains |
| 05:16:18 | Guardian | Hello |
| 05:16:22 | captain_proton | yo |
| 05:16:33 | Guardian | I have a question/request |
| 05:16:52 | Widget | Lagkicked again. |
| 05:16:54 | Widget | hihihi, Guardian. |
| 05:16:58 | Guardian | Hi widget |
| 05:17:07 | captain_proton | shoot |
| 05:17:20 | Widget | shoots. |
| 05:17:27 | Guardian | I am very interested in having a message log from my server |
| 05:17:59 | Guardian | Is there a way to have it save all the messages (kills, joins, quits, talk) saved to a file? |
| 05:18:10 | Guardian | If not, could I request the feature? |
| 05:18:12 | captain_proton | stick lots of print statements in |
| 05:18:21 | patlabor221 | I should see if BZwin builds in VC7.0 |
| 05:18:38 | Widget | Guardian: Just out of curiosity, why do you want that feature? |
| 05:19:34 | Guardian | I would like to keep track of things, I am away from my server a bunch and if I hear people say xxx is cheating and the server also logs him joining with 000.000.000.000 IP, then I can ban him when I check the log |
| 05:19:36 | MrApathyCream | insomnia? |
| 05:20:13 | Guardian | Would lots of print statements add to the processor overhead of the server? |
| 05:20:30 | Guardian | I found programs run much fast if they don't have to print things |
| 05:20:33 | Guardian | faster* |
| 05:20:42 | MrApathyCream | bzfs.cxx line 5121 add print statement |
| 05:21:21 | MrApathyCream | i think network completely overwhelms cpu |
| 05:21:38 | Guardian | What do you mean? |
| 05:21:59 | captain_proton | Guardian: its not processor overhead |
| 05:22:15 | captain_proton | Guardian: printing to a terminal takes time - you'll find if you redirect to a file or /dev/null its just as fast as normal |
| 05:22:29 | Guardian | Oh that would be perfect then. |
| 05:22:43 | captain_proton | bzfs is not a huge processor hog anyways |
| 05:22:49 | patlabor221 | anyone know what snprintf is? |
| 05:22:59 | captain_proton | patlabor221: bounds-checks sprintf |
| 05:23:06 | Guardian | And I can modify the source and compile the server and the clients won't care that I have "personalized" it? |
| 05:23:18 | patlabor221 | cp: where is it defined? can't build windows cus of it now |
| 05:23:25 | captain_proton | patlabor221: should be stdio.h |
| 05:24:21 | Guardian | And what is the easiest method for getting the source? |
| 05:24:44 | Widget | Guardian: To the server? CVS. |
| 05:24:47 | captain_proton | wait an hour or so (BZFlag? hmm?) |
| 05:25:02 | Guardian | I am a little fuzzy on using CVS |
| 05:25:20 | captain_proton | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 05:25:24 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:25:28 | Guardian | 1.7? |
| 05:25:33 | Guardian | Is that e5? |
| 05:25:34 | BZFlag | heh. yeah probably less than an hour. |
| 05:25:41 | Guardian | or.wait |
| 05:25:42 | BZFlag | e6 shortly. |
| 05:25:46 | patlabor221 | seems to be CVs question day |
| 05:25:46 | captain_proton | whoop |
| 05:26:35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:26:54 | captain_proton | suggests we don't bump the cvs version number to e7, since we're not planning any more 1.7 dev |
| 05:27:09 | Widget | I love the way 1.7 looks now, though. |
| 05:27:15 | captain_proton | Widget: why thank you |
| 05:27:18 | captain_proton | feels vindicated |
| 05:27:26 | Widget | captain_proton: It's better than 1.8. |
| 05:27:29 | Widget | It's just beautiful. |
| 05:27:42 | Widget | Now if you would only get OS X, your desktop would look that nice. |
| 05:27:57 | Guardian | I am not so happy with the tiny fonts... |
| 05:27:58 | captain_proton | Widget: you have no clue what my desktop looks like |
| 05:28:21 | Widget | captain_proton: But you use Linux. Therefore, your desktop cannot look as nice as mine. |
| 05:28:23 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: do you have the latests |
| 05:28:24 | Widget | QED. |
| 05:28:27 | Widget | My logic is flawless. |
| 05:28:29 | captain_proton | Widget: i say we compare |
| 05:28:30 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: fonts better than earlier |
| 05:28:36 | Widget | captain_proton: OK. Send me yours. |
| 05:28:40 | captain_proton | Widget: put it up to a vote |
| 05:28:43 | Guardian | Oh? |
| 05:28:45 | Guardian | Cool. |
| 05:28:53 | Guardian | Screenshot time |
| 05:29:04 | Widget | I took a screenship some time ago |
| 05:29:09 | Widget | Allow me to try to find it. |
| 05:29:16 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I plan to bump to e7 anyway. just to clarify if a server is a cvs snapshot or built from the tarball |
| 05:29:17 | patlabor221 | has anyone tried to build windows CVS with what's in there? |
| 05:29:27 | captain_proton | BZFlag: whats the difference? |
| 05:29:34 | MrApathyCream | yes 2mins ago |
| 05:30:07 | patlabor221 | MAC: you get any erros in the screenshot function, I am wondering if I am having issues |
| 05:30:13 | BZFlag | Guardian: are you running the exact cvs snapshot or some near version? cvs had font changes recently. |
| 05:30:24 | BZFlag | Guardian: they are more like the old 1.7 sizes now. |
| 05:30:37 | BZFlag | captain_proton: nothing potentially. ;-) |
| 05:30:37 | MrApathyCream | screenshot? what file? no-noerrors no warnings |
| 05:30:38 | Guardian | Um, I had the cvs from a week or so back I guess |
| 05:30:51 | captain_proton | Widget: put your screenie up on the web somewheres |
| 05:30:53 | BZFlag | Guardian: sounds like you might be just before the font changes. |
| 05:30:55 | patlabor221 | MAC: Playing.cxx cmdScreenshot |
| 05:30:57 | Widget | captain_proton: I'm trying to find one! |
| 05:30:58 | Guardian | Yes |
| 05:31:11 | patlabor221 | MAC: snprintf unknown ( had to change to _snprintf ) |
| 05:31:15 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: no problems building |
| 05:31:16 | Guardian | What is the newest client file called? |
| 05:31:20 | captain_proton | Widget: make one |
| 05:31:28 | patlabor221 | mac: and can't do an if on a fstream |
| 05:31:45 | Guardian | For win32, by the way |
| 05:31:48 | patlabor221 | mac: VC6? or something else? |
| 05:32:11 | patlabor221 | mac; and wiht the project file or command line? |
| 05:32:20 | MrApathyCream | vc6 |
| 05:32:25 | Widget | captain_proton: I don't know how to! |
| 05:32:46 | patlabor221 | mac: I must be missing a header then |
| 05:32:50 | MrApathyCream | what line in playing.cxx, i see no cmdScreenShot |
| 05:32:53 | captain_proton | Widget: got the gimp? |
| 05:33:06 | Widget | captain_proton: No. |
| 05:33:06 | patlabor221 | mac: 693 |
| 05:33:23 | patlabor221 | mac: static std::stringcmdScreenshot(const std::string&, const CommandManager::ArgList& args) |
| 05:33:33 | captain_proton | patlabor221: you've got 1.8 there |
| 05:33:42 | patlabor221 | FUGGGGGG |
| 05:33:43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:33:54 | patlabor221 | well it's got some issues on windows then :) |
| 05:34:12 | patlabor221 | how do I get 1.7 whatever |
| 05:34:18 | MrApathyCream | -r v1_7 |
| 05:34:28 | captain_proton | between 'co' and 'bzflag' |
| 05:35:04 | Widget | captain_proton: Put yours up while I try to figure out how to take mine. |
| 05:35:09 | patlabor221 | just had to add it as a filed in this little CVS client, it's realy cool when you get it set right |
| 05:35:27 | captain_proton | Widget: uploading |
| 05:35:38 | MrApathyCream | tries to build 1.8 |
| 05:36:11 | patlabor221 | MAC tell me if you get the "the template is to f'en big warning" |
| 05:36:38 | MrApathyCream | in debug mode, i assume? |
| 05:36:42 | patlabor221 | a yup |
| 05:37:03 | BZFlag | ok, cvs is 1.7e6, let's try some builds before I stamp it. |
| 05:37:04 | Guardian | mmmm, C++.... |
| 05:37:05 | captain_proton | Widget: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/screenie.png |
| 05:37:28 | Widget | captain_proton: I am getting on of a translucent terminal. |
| 05:37:37 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: we'll need to add a bunch of #pragma warning(4:4786) |
| 05:37:43 | MrApathyCream | doesn't hurt anything tho |
| 05:37:51 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: wanna do a win32 build now? |
| 05:37:56 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:37:59 | MrApathyCream | doing up |
| 05:38:03 | captain_proton | Widget: don't tell me yours is better because your operating system forces you to use processor power on translucency |
| 05:38:05 | BZFlag | coolio |
| 05:38:25 | Widget | captain_proton: It forces me not. |
| 05:38:45 | captain_proton | Widget: you're saying you've actually found a way to turn off drop shadows on windows? |
| 05:38:53 | Widget | captain_proton: It's not hard. |
| 05:38:58 | Widget | captain_proton: Do it in Control Panels. |
| 05:39:00 | captain_proton | and btw |
| 05:39:03 | BZFlag | like Yoda speaks Widget |
| 05:39:05 | captain_proton | translucent terminal = really easy |
| 05:39:15 | Widget | Ah, but real translucency? |
| 05:39:22 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:39:24 | MrApathyCream | doing full build |
| 05:39:30 | Widget | captain_proton: I have heard that Linux cannot do this yet. |
| 05:39:44 | captain_proton | Widget: no self-respecting terminal emulator is without it |
| 05:39:55 | Widget | captain_proton: Eterm doesn't have it. |
| 05:39:59 | BZFlag | Widget: what terminal does real translucency? |
| 05:40:07 | Widget | BZFlag: captain_proton claims there is one. |
| 05:40:15 | Widget | BZFlag: My Mac OS X terminal does. |
| 05:40:21 | captain_proton | Widget: nothing having to do with enlightenment is self respecting |
| 05:40:33 | Widget | captain_proton: Name one terminal emulator that does real translucency. |
| 05:40:34 | Guardian | enlightenment! Good choice |
| 05:40:59 | captain_proton | Widget: gnome-term |
| 05:41:04 | BZFlag | Widget: ie: you put a mac terminal completely covering another mac terminal and you can read the covered one still? |
| 05:41:09 | Widget | BZFlag: Yes. |
| 05:41:17 | MrApathyCream | win32 installer done |
| 05:41:20 | Widget | Hm.... can Gnome-term do real translucency. |
| 05:41:21 | Widget | ? |
| 05:41:29 | Guardian | Can I give it a shot MAC? |
| 05:41:39 | BZFlag | Widget: wild. |
| 05:41:51 | Widget | BZFlag: Can Gnome-term really do real translucency? |
| 05:42:02 | BZFlag | Widget: not that I've seen. |
| 05:42:07 | MrApathyCream | woowoo says 1.7e6 |
| 05:42:15 | BZFlag | captain_proton: as per my definition? |
| 05:42:16 | captain_proton | settings->transparent (+ shaded) |
| 05:42:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yepyep |
| 05:42:31 | Widget | captain_proton: Can you play a movie behind it? |
| 05:42:48 | captain_proton | however, nobody uses it because it uses up your processor |
| 05:42:48 | BZFlag | captain_proton: so you put up two terminals. the top one completely covers the other one. and you can still read the covered one? |
| 05:42:55 | patlabor221 | I like the fonts for the compas and altitude they look good even at 1600x1200 |
| 05:43:08 | captain_proton | Widget: i'm not sure about with the xvideo overlays, but just normal xlib stuff you can |
| 05:43:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yeah |
| 05:43:23 | BZFlag | wild. |
| 05:43:36 | Widget | captain_proton: Does anyone have screenshots of this on the web? |
| 05:43:39 | captain_proton | read my earlier comment about processor time |
| 05:43:40 | Widget | captain_proton: I can't find anything. |
| 05:43:52 | Widget | captain_proton: Google doesn't even return good hits for 'Gnome terminal emulator translucency'. |
| 05:44:03 | captain_proton | Widget: i have a friend who uses it - i'll have him screenie sometime |
| 05:44:04 | Widget | captain_proton: Someone will still have screenshots of this. |
| 05:44:39 | Widget | captain_proton: I can't find a single screenshot. |
| 05:44:50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: gnome-terminal 1.4.1 does not do real transparency. I just checked. |
| 05:45:52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: think its a gnome 2.0 thang |
| 05:46:13 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: for some reason i can't initiate dcc |
| 05:46:29 | Guardian | How about you ftp it to me? |
| 05:46:45 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: ftp server addr? |
| 05:46:54 | Guardian | one sec, got to make you a login |
| 05:47:07 | BZFlag | http://www.5z.com/jirka/images/gnome-term-trans2.gif <- NOT real transparency. just inherit root image. |
| 05:48:10 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: // ex: shiftwidth=2 tabstop=8 shows up in readme! heh |
| 05:50:41 | Widget | Windows and Mac OS X can do real transparency. |
| 05:50:41 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: which readme? |
| 05:51:00 | MrApathyCream | installer readme |
| 05:51:30 | patlabor221 | The latest nvidia drivers add that to older os's too, allong with multiple desktops :) |
| 05:51:40 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: what's the text before it? |
| 05:51:58 | MrApathyCream | hold on, will install again |
| 05:52:42 | captain_proton | real transparency = impractical (sometimes ugly) with a speed hit |
| 05:52:49 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:52:53 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: |
| 05:52:54 | MrApathyCream | If you're using BZFlag over a modem, you'll need to run PPP before starting BZFlag. BZFlag only uses TCP/IP networking; PPP makes TCP/IP work over your modem. |
| 05:52:54 | MrApathyCream | Visit the BZFlag Home Page for more information and online help. |
| 05:52:54 | MrApathyCream | / ex: shiftwidth=2 tabstop=8 |
| 05:52:55 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: fixed. |
| 05:53:00 | Guardian | The Nvidia multi-desktop support for XP sucks |
| 05:53:13 | patlabor221 | cap: not too bad fwhen it's in the driver |
| 05:53:18 | Guardian | I miss that about Gnome/Enlightenment |
| 05:53:22 | patlabor221 | well XP kinda sucks |
| 05:53:55 | Guardian | No, most of XP is rather nice. |
| 05:53:59 | captain_proton | still - whats the use? it makes it quite difficult to read |
| 05:54:04 | patlabor221 | nice, and slow |
| 05:54:12 | Guardian | Well, what is your computer? |
| 05:54:22 | patlabor221 | AlalonXP 1900+ |
| 05:54:42 | goofey | is away: Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. |
| 05:54:44 | Guardian | Mine is a Dual 1.2 gz Athlon with 1 gig of ram, and XP runs faster then any OS before I have used |
| 05:54:47 | captain_proton | = intel whore |
| 05:54:51 | Widget | OK. |
| 05:54:52 | Widget | Finally. |
| 05:54:53 | Widget | I got it. |
| 05:54:56 | Widget | Now to upload it. |
| 05:55:19 | patlabor221 | I've only gone to XP where I have to, mostly I don't like it's registation stuff |
| 05:55:27 | patlabor221 | put ram in reregister |
| 05:56:00 | Guardian | I have never been hassled. |
| 05:56:08 | Guardian | Are you using Professional? |
| 05:56:11 | patlabor221 | but I do have a gateway install, so maybe i just need to redo it |
| 05:56:17 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:56:18 | Guardian | Ah |
| 05:56:27 | patlabor221 | it's on my work PC |
| 05:56:30 | Guardian | Well, try a clean Pro install you might be very pleased |
| 05:56:45 | patlabor221 | well they won't give me the time to do it |
| 05:57:21 | Guardian | Oh well. |
| 05:57:26 | Widget | captain_proton: Is a JPEG OK? |
| 05:57:42 | captain_proton | Widget: png is better |
| 05:57:48 | Widget | captain_proton: It's too big. |
| 05:57:52 | Widget | captain_proton: I cannot upload it. |
| 05:57:59 | Widget | captain_proton: I don't have enough webspace. |
| 05:58:00 | captain_proton | png will be smaller than jpeg when compressed correctly |
| 05:58:05 | captain_proton | how big is it?? |
| 05:58:15 | Widget | 1.6 MB. |
| 05:58:21 | captain_proton | how??? |
| 06:01:02 | Widget | I don't know. |
| 06:01:02 | Widget | Let me try JPEG. |
| 06:01:02 | Widget | To see if it's not horrible. |
| 06:01:02 | captain_proton | you're not saving as tiff or anything? |
| 06:01:02 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: so other that that one fix, any other issues? does roaming work? |
| 06:01:02 | Widget | Nono. |
| 06:01:03 | Widget | http://homepage.mac.com/macmouse4/screen.png |
| 06:01:03 | MrApathyCream | keeps png::write in bz a secret |
| 06:01:03 | MrApathyCream | likes to torment captain_proton |
| 06:01:03 | Guardian | Could anybody tell me why C, was chosen over C++ for bzflag? |
| 06:01:17 | captain_proton | eek |
| 06:01:21 | BZFlag | Guardian: huh? it's almost all c++ |
| 06:01:23 | captain_proton | Guardian: bzflag is in C++ |
| 06:01:43 | Widget | I logged in as a friend. |
| 06:01:44 | Guardian | Well, it looks like C to me, with stdio and stdlib |
| 06:01:48 | patlabor221 | yeah all those classes kinda give it away |
| 06:01:50 | Guardian | Instead of iosteam |
| 06:01:51 | Widget | And it worked! |
| 06:01:52 | MrApathyCream | it's c++ |
| 06:01:55 | Widget | captain_proton: http://homepage.mac.com/macmouse4/screen.png |
| 06:01:57 | patlabor221 | c is a subset of C++ |
| 06:02:00 | Widget | captain_proton: It worked when I logged in as Ian! |
| 06:02:02 | Guardian | Yes I know. |
| 06:02:15 | BZFlag | Widget: wild! |
| 06:02:16 | Guardian | I am just suprised to see fprintfs |
| 06:02:16 | MrApathyCream | checks roaming |
| 06:02:19 | patlabor221 | stdio is comonly used in C++ stuff |
| 06:02:27 | patlabor221 | not everyone likes streams |
| 06:02:30 | Widget | captain_proton: Can we vote now? |
| 06:02:33 | captain_proton | Widget: you're telling me you can read that terminal? |
| 06:02:42 | Widget | captain_proton: I don't usually keep it like this. |
| 06:02:53 | Widget | captain_proton: But I wanted to just show the translucency. |
| 06:03:08 | patlabor221 | least it's a good bg picture :) |
| 06:03:15 | captain_proton | aha |
| 06:03:23 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: everything seems a-ok |
| 06:03:29 | BZFlag | Widget: how many layers will it do? ie: 4 or 5 terminals stacked? |
| 06:03:58 | captain_proton | goes to shower |
| 06:04:06 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: sweet. |
| 06:04:15 | MrApathyCream | tmi |
| 06:04:17 | Widget | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/screenie.png |
| 06:04:20 | Widget | The alternative. |
| 06:04:30 | Widget | BZFlag: I'm not sure. |
| 06:04:43 | MrApathyCream | is this png picture of captain_proton in shower? no thanks |
| 06:04:56 | BZFlag | rebuilds with the one stinking html change, not the the unix versions display it anyway. |
| 06:05:26 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:05:31 | MrApathyCream | revenge of windoze |
| 06:05:37 | BZFlag | Widget: try. ;-) |
| 06:06:44 | Widget | Well... I'm up to eight and I can see the text of the one directly under the top one. |
| 06:06:56 | Widget | But after that the translucency is too much. |
| 06:06:56 | Guardian | Great, now I have to remember how to use printf's I thought I was done with C syntax! |
| 06:07:25 | Guardian | Wait nevermind, I just saw a cerr I think I can use cout! |
| 06:07:58 | iLL_Afk | oo what am I missing |
| 06:08:06 | iLL_Afk | scrolls back and reads furiously |
| 06:08:08 | Widget | iLL_Afk: My screenshot being better than captain_proton's. |
| 06:08:20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:08:40 | patlabor221 | hey it's got Jet in it, it's gotta be better |
| 06:08:56 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: done |
| 06:09:06 | Guardian | Thanks |
| 06:09:09 | BZFlag | Widget: hmm. can you alter the transparency just for kicks? |
| 06:09:16 | Guardian | That is quite a dock you have there Widget |
| 06:09:33 | Widget | BZFlag: I set it completely transparent. Now let me try. |
| 06:09:37 | Widget | Guardian: I'm a sloppy person. |
| 06:09:44 | iLL_Afk | wheres your screenshot widge? |
| 06:10:01 | Guardian | Wait so where is captain_proton's screenshot? |
| 06:10:09 | Widget | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/screenie.png vs. http://homepage.mac.com/macmouse4/screen.png |
| 06:11:08 | Guardian | Um, captain_proton's looks empty....I can see one terminal |
| 06:11:29 | Widget | Whereas mine looks cluttered. |
| 06:11:57 | Guardian | Well I just don't think such a sparse use is a good judge for a desktop |
| 06:12:19 | iLL_Afk | http://home.pacbell.net/l8tr/polycarb_desktop.jpg |
| 06:12:21 | iLL_Afk | =) |
| 06:12:28 | iLLf8d | didn't know it was show and tell |
| 06:12:56 | Guardian | I would show, but I don't know of a quick way to take a screenshot |
| 06:13:03 | Widget | Use the GIMP. |
| 06:13:13 | Guardian | I am in XP :| |
| 06:13:18 | iLLf8d | uhm printscreen |
| 06:13:21 | MrApathyCream | alt printscreen? |
| 06:13:21 | Widget | Use Print Screen. |
| 06:13:21 | iLLf8d | thats the way in xp |
| 06:13:23 | Widget | And then press. |
| 06:13:29 | Widget | MrApathyCream: You don't need the alt. |
| 06:13:29 | Guardian | oh? |
| 06:13:36 | Widget | Type Print Screen. |
| 06:13:39 | iLLf8d | isn't alt for a weeno |
| 06:13:39 | Guardian | Where does it output and in what form? |
| 06:13:42 | Widget | Then Control-V in Paint. |
| 06:13:49 | MrApathyCream | right alt=window ctrl=screen |
| 06:13:50 | Guardian | ah |
| 06:13:51 | MrApathyCream | sorry |
| 06:13:54 | Widget | It puts it in the keyboard. |
| 06:14:02 | Widget | Er.... |
| 06:14:05 | Widget | Clipboard. |
| 06:14:06 | Widget | Gar. |
| 06:14:18 | Widget | iLLf8d: Fluxbox? |
| 06:14:42 | iLLf8d | yeah now that shot was bb tho |
| 06:14:59 | iLLf8d | fluxbox is nice |
| 06:15:00 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 06:15:04 | Guardian | okay, it worked, now I just need someplace to put it for viewing |
| 06:15:12 | iLLf8d | I don't understand why anyone would run anything else really |
| 06:15:21 | Guardian | My webserving abilities are broken at the moment |
| 06:15:26 | Widget | Guardian: Oh. |
| 06:15:29 | Widget | Guardian: DCC send? |
| 06:16:10 | Guardian | Never actually used it. |
| 06:16:26 | Widget | /dcc send Widget <filename> |
| 06:17:02 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/screenshot.jpg |
| 06:17:03 | Guardian | hmmm, I am trying to find the screenshot of my Linux desktop too |
| 06:17:27 | patlabor221 | off to see a wizard, see ya all |
| 06:17:50 | Guardian | Widget are you going to put it somewhere everybody can see it? |
| 06:18:00 | Widget | Guardian: No. |
| 06:18:48 | Guardian | hmmm, did that work? |
| 06:18:53 | Widget | No. |
| 06:19:10 | Guardian | How do I list the path? |
| 06:19:14 | Guardian | with spaces and all that |
| 06:19:36 | MrApathyCream | using xchat, can just right click user name and choose dcc send |
| 06:19:41 | Widget | I'm not sure. |
| 06:19:48 | Widget | He's using mIRC. |
| 06:20:10 | Guardian | hmmm |
| 06:20:20 | Guardian | Well I can drop it in your home on asmodeus Widget |
| 06:20:32 | Widget | Guardian: OK. |
| 06:20:35 | MrApathyCream | same goes in mirc |
| 06:21:18 | Guardian | Okay, that works MAC |
| 06:21:18 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: we updating sf tonite? |
| 06:21:21 | Widget | --- DCC RECV connect attempt to Guardian failed (err=Connection refused). |
| 06:21:25 | Guardian | hmmm |
| 06:21:48 | captain_proton | awakens |
| 06:22:07 | Guardian | Well it is in your home dir widget |
| 06:22:20 | Widget | Guardian: OK, thanks, |
| 06:22:21 | Guardian | Anybody else want to see my desktop? |
| 06:22:29 | captain_proton | sure |
| 06:22:45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: big enough fonts? |
| 06:23:02 | Widget | Guardian: I can't FTP in. Do you block FTP? |
| 06:23:04 | captain_proton | Guardian: your firewall is preventing it |
| 06:23:08 | Guardian | oh grrr |
| 06:23:13 | Guardian | grrr to both |
| 06:23:26 | Guardian | Um, ftp should be working MrApathyCream just used it |
| 06:23:34 | Widget | Yes. FTP works. |
| 06:23:49 | Guardian | My firewall needs some tweaking |
| 06:24:02 | Widget | Is that an IE I see? |
| 06:24:11 | Guardian | No Mozilla |
| 06:24:21 | Widget | Why has it the IE icon, then? |
| 06:24:31 | Guardian | Where in the picture? |
| 06:24:38 | Widget | Look at the upper right. |
| 06:24:42 | Widget | Of Captain's screenshot. |
| 06:24:46 | BZFlag | captain_proton: it's a laptop panel. I just shift-numpad-minus if I need a bunch of windows. |
| 06:24:47 | Widget | Er... |
| 06:24:55 | Widget | Captain's screenshot that appears in your screenshot. |
| 06:25:08 | Guardian | Anybody who wants it can grab it off my server through ftp |
| 06:25:21 | Guardian | I will give you a temp login and it will be in the home dir |
| 06:25:27 | BZFlag | captain_proton: the dock is normally colapsed too. |
| 06:25:35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:25:41 | Widget | BZFlag: Let's see yours! |
| 06:25:44 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: yep. that's the plan. |
| 06:25:56 | captain_proton | does windowmaker still restrict you to 8 bits for dock images? |
| 06:26:17 | Guardian | That may be, mIRC opened that link and may have opened IE automatically |
| 06:26:19 | BZFlag | Widget: http://rikers.org/tmp/screenshot.jpg <- just a shell (aterm) and my dock expanded (normally pop open) |
| 06:26:44 | Guardian | anyway, if you want to see my screen shot it is on asmodeus.homelinux.net |
| 06:26:45 | BZFlag | captain_proton: don't think so. I use .tiff images on some icons. |
| 06:26:49 | Guardian | login MAC |
| 06:26:55 | Guardian | password asmodeus |
| 06:27:42 | BZFlag | Guardian: you should use integrated urls: ftp://MAC:asmodeus@asmodeus.homelinux.net/ |
| 06:27:53 | Guardian | Well, I am just not that cool BZ |
| 06:27:59 | BZFlag | learn. ;-) |
| 06:28:04 | Guardian | I am trying |
| 06:28:13 | captain_proton | pay special attention to my beautiful mem/net/cpu monitors =D |
| 06:28:29 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you noticed my wireless monitor? |
| 06:28:43 | BZFlag | plus apm of course. |
| 06:28:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yeah, but did you write it? ;) |
| 06:29:21 | Guardian | Anybody that can recognize my background pic gets ten points |
| 06:29:26 | BZFlag | nope. I rewrote the xscreensaver launcher but I'm not running it at the moment. |
| 06:29:33 | Guardian | Well, where the pic is from |
| 06:30:00 | Widget | Guardian: It looks all black to me. |
| 06:30:41 | Guardian | Look in the center just below the middle |
| 06:31:18 | Widget | Guardian: Covered by Windows. |
| 06:31:29 | BZFlag | Guardian: mission to mars? |
| 06:31:42 | Guardian | Nope, good guess though |
| 06:33:43 | Guardian | Widget some of it is showing |
| 06:34:07 | Guardian | I am trying to make another screen shot but both paint and photoshop won't work |
| 06:34:45 | Guardian | okay got it |
| 06:35:28 | Guardian | There it is updated for everybody |
| 06:36:05 | Guardian | I just wish I could find my screenshot from linux, it was sweet |
| 06:36:48 | BZFlag | well. I think I'm ready to release. |
| 06:37:01 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: did you rebuild the win package with the html fix? |
| 06:37:02 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 06:37:14 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:37:27 | BZFlag | sweet. you have release permissions on SF right? |
| 06:37:44 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 06:37:49 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:37:51 | captain_proton | i know i do |
| 06:38:55 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: hmm you didn't, but now you do. |
| 06:39:14 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:39:34 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 06:39:35 | captain_proton | dances |
| 06:39:39 | iLLf8d | I was just banned from a server heh |
| 06:39:51 | iLLf8d | hey guardian i'll do likewise forya elsewhere =) |
| 06:40:40 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: why? |
| 06:40:43 | iLLf8d | I said I'm not rogue tonight cause this server owner is a momo heh |
| 06:40:48 | iLLf8d | he doesn't allow rogues |
| 06:40:51 | iLLf8d | so I was banned heh |
| 06:40:52 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 06:41:13 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:41:18 | iLLf8d | seems like a powertrip type I guess |
| 06:41:31 | iLLf8d | considering momo is such a harsh word heh |
| 06:41:51 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: release at will. |
| 06:42:02 | BZFlag | uploads the source |
| 06:42:07 | iLLf8d | dude you tell him when hes supposed to whack off |
| 06:42:09 | iLLf8d | thats gross |
| 06:42:19 | iLLf8d | you call it the source |
| 06:42:24 | iLLf8d | sheesh sickos |
| 06:43:01 | iLLf8d | ah well gonna lure some people to my server heh =) |
| 06:43:11 | iLLf8d | muwahahah the killing fields heh |
| 06:43:17 | BZFlag | tags the cvs tree |
| 06:43:25 | iLLf8d | flag how goes it =) |
| 06:43:50 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Add Release, or Edit Releases? |
| 06:44:01 | captain_proton | does a release dance |
| 06:44:04 | Guardian | I didn't ban you for complaining about rogues |
| 06:44:16 | iLLf8d | why did you ban me then? |
| 06:44:18 | MrApathyCream | shakes in horror at the dance |
| 06:44:18 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: edit releases first to see if there are any that are hidden |
| 06:44:26 | iLLf8d | I didn't say anything that warranted banning |
| 06:44:34 | Guardian | What does momo mean? |
| 06:44:42 | BZFlag | sf does not allow you to remove a release so if there was a bad entry I mark it hidden and reuse it later. |
| 06:44:43 | iLLf8d | I take it to mean putz |
| 06:44:51 | iLLf8d | do I know textbook definition no |
| 06:44:51 | BZFlag | that's what I'm doing with the source release now. |
| 06:45:00 | iLLf8d | but to be honest your field is like every other |
| 06:45:01 | Guardian | Well, I thought you mistyped saying homo |
| 06:45:03 | iLLf8d | not like it matters |
| 06:45:13 | Guardian | Which I take offense to. |
| 06:45:20 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:45:32 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: They're all active except for e0 (for win32) |
| 06:45:35 | iLLf8d | I take it you're a homo then? |
| 06:45:42 | iLLf8d | not that I have issues |
| 06:45:44 | Guardian | Bi actually. |
| 06:45:51 | Guardian | But I stand up for everybody. |
| 06:45:56 | iLLf8d | so homos a slur then? |
| 06:46:05 | Guardian | It is around here, sadly |
| 06:46:19 | Guardian | If I can unban you I will, is there a command for that? |
| 06:46:26 | iLLf8d | cosidering its short for homosexual I think people outta grow up |
| 06:46:30 | MrApathyCream | yes, can you guess what it is? |
| 06:46:33 | Guardian | I agree |
| 06:46:33 | iLLf8d | nah don't bother =) |
| 06:46:36 | Guardian | I might be able |
| 06:46:38 | Guardian | You sure? |
| 06:46:41 | iLLf8d | seriously its a stock field =) |
| 06:46:48 | Guardian | Yes it is, I like them |
| 06:46:50 | iLLf8d | I want variety |
| 06:46:51 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:46:54 | Guardian | Okay |
| 06:47:03 | iLLf8d | only time I seem to play stock anymore is for ctf |
| 06:47:19 | Guardian | Well you are welcome back if you like, just keep the complaining to a minimum |
| 06:47:26 | iLLf8d | i'm not part of the tanks shouldn't jump why did we need a map feature anyway crowd |
| 06:47:31 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:47:41 | iLLf8d | oh sheesh complaints are good |
| 06:47:49 | Widget | Tanks shouldn't jump. |
| 06:47:52 | iLLf8d | cursing and racial slurs maybe not but ther rest heh |
| 06:47:58 | iLLf8d | ban widget for that |
| 06:48:00 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:48:08 | Widget | /kick iLLf8d |
| 06:48:08 | iLLf8d | he's got something against jumping tanks |
| 06:48:28 | Widget | Let's go play on ducati! |
| 06:48:30 | Guardian | Yeah I have heard |
| 06:48:34 | iLLf8d | k =) |
| 06:48:37 | Guardian | Oh shush about ducati |
| 06:48:39 | Widget | See you there. |
| 06:48:40 | iLLf8d | die widget scum |
| 06:48:47 | captain_proton | you gotta excuse Widget |
| 06:48:47 | Widget | I am out of practice. |
| 06:48:51 | Guardian | Maybe I will join you guys |
| 06:49:01 | captain_proton | he's new, and hasn't been playing long enough to be bored of driving around boxes |
| 06:49:01 | Widget | Guardian: Be on iLLf8d's team. :) |
| 06:49:17 | Widget | captain_proton: Oh, and Chestal isn't bored of it either? |
| 06:49:18 | Guardian | But my server just emptied so I have to take the chance to change the rules on my server |
| 06:49:20 | Widget | captain_proton: Is he new? |
| 06:49:33 | iLLf8d | dude |
| 06:49:43 | Widget | Well? |
| 06:49:45 | iLLf8d | widget next time you tell me to goto ducati i'm blowing you off heh |
| 06:49:48 | Widget | Why is no one on ducati? |
| 06:49:53 | iLLf8d | I was there 4 times |
| 06:49:54 | Widget | I went there! |
| 06:49:55 | iLLf8d | sheesh |
| 06:49:56 | Widget | You weren't there! |
| 06:49:58 | Widget | gah! |
| 06:49:59 | iLLf8d | which ducati? |
| 06:50:00 | Widget | See you there now. |
| 06:50:03 | Widget | 5156. |
| 06:50:03 | iLLf8d | 5156? |
| 06:50:16 | Guardian | I could allow rogues, but I am a fan of teamplay |
| 06:50:31 | Guardian | Now is your chance to convince me.... |
| 06:50:38 | Widget | Well? |
| 06:50:39 | iLLf8d | not enough people to kill then guardian |
| 06:50:41 | Widget | Go there now! |
| 06:50:44 | Widget | I was there. |
| 06:50:45 | MrApathyCream | uploads to sf/incoming |
| 06:50:46 | Widget | Now go. |
| 06:50:48 | Widget | I am going there. |
| 06:50:48 | iLLf8d | dude |
| 06:50:50 | iLLf8d | I was there sheesh |
| 06:51:05 | BZFlag | debian upload in progress... |
| 06:51:32 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Name collisions a problem? |
| 06:51:37 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: you can edit the e0 version to e6 and make it active again. |
| 06:51:54 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: huh? I expect so. |
| 06:52:04 | BZFlag | your binary should have the version in it. ie: |
| 06:52:51 | BZFlag | it should be: bzflag-1.7e6.exe |
| 06:53:08 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:00:12 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: you reuploading then? and then edit the release and attach the new upload. |
| 07:00:29 | MrApathyCream | yes, 56k tho... :( 8 mins |
| 07:00:58 | MrApathyCream | haven't gotten my cable from RCAM yet |
| 07:01:36 | MrApathyCream | bzflag-asf2002.exe |
| 07:01:48 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:02:07 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 07:02:17 | BZFlag | k, who's on redhat 7.2 or 7.3? |
| 07:02:31 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:02:39 | BZFlag | hmmm... /me recalls one redhat 7.2ish box he has root on. |
| 07:02:39 | captain_proton | i've got access to a 7.2 box but it has nvidia drivers installed |
| 07:03:05 | captain_proton | there are some other boxes but i don't know that they have all the compilers/etc they need |
| 07:05:32 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: now don't get carried away. ;-) bzflag-1.7e6.exe will do just fine. |
| 07:05:49 | captain_proton | what was he doing? |
| 07:06:06 | BZFlag | <MrApathyCream> bzflag-asf2002.exe |
| 07:06:21 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:06:51 | MrApathyCream | heh: just kiddin' |
| 07:09:51 | BZFlag | need someone to build and release a mac version. Widget? |
| 07:09:53 | MrApathyCream | drats... can't rename on sf ftp server!!! erg |
| 07:10:04 | BZFlag | ugh. |
| 07:10:12 | Guardian | What is the command that shows all the client versions? |
| 07:10:19 | MrApathyCream | here goes anutter 20mins |
| 07:10:28 | BZFlag | Guardian: command? to run where? |
| 07:10:32 | Guardian | My linux box is rh7.2 |
| 07:10:37 | BZFlag | oh, CLIENTQUERY |
| 07:10:41 | Guardian | thanks |
| 07:11:55 | MrApathyCream | looks wistfully at two-way satellite |
| 07:12:12 | Guardian | Can only admins run clientquery? |
| 07:12:20 | MrApathyCream | anyone |
| 07:12:29 | Guardian | because it doesn't seem to like me using it |
| 07:12:40 | MrApathyCream | all upper case? |
| 07:12:59 | Guardian | Yeah |
| 07:13:12 | Guardian | is it a command? / ? |
| 07:13:21 | MrApathyCream | no slash |
| 07:13:26 | Guardian | ah |
| 07:13:29 | Guardian | That fizes it |
| 07:13:32 | Guardian | fixes |
| 07:13:54 | MrApathyCream | server doesn't actually handle this command, clients do |
| 07:13:58 | Guardian | ah |
| 07:14:05 | Guardian | So they hear it over the messages |
| 07:14:12 | MrApathyCream | spose that's why no /, / means a server cmd |
| 07:14:25 | MrApathyCream | yup respond to a message |
| 07:14:35 | captain_proton | nobody knows why server commands and client commands have different syntax |
| 07:14:49 | Guardian | It makes sense to me, I may be wrong though |
| 07:15:01 | captain_proton | Guardian: but why does the user care? |
| 07:15:04 | captain_proton | /clientquery |
| 07:15:08 | captain_proton | would work just as well |
| 07:15:25 | MrApathyCream | user doesn't... just one of those quirks of life |
| 07:15:40 | Guardian | I don't know, I didn't write the program *waves hand widly....HE DID->* |
| 07:16:18 | Guardian | But I am beginning to become interested in helping the project. |
| 07:16:56 | iLLf8d | sheesh |
| 07:16:58 | MrApathyCream | don't like it just change playing.cxx 2181 |
| 07:17:05 | Widget | is away: Dinner. |
| 07:17:38 | Guardian | Are you guys looking for any help with programming? |
| 07:18:23 | MrApathyCream | always |
| 07:18:45 | Guardian | Well I know C, C++, and Basic. |
| 07:19:01 | captain_proton | all we need is C++ |
| 07:19:07 | Guardian | How I love useless useless BASIC |
| 07:19:27 | BZFlag | in 1.8 I will have the server store the client version and then it will be a server command. |
| 07:19:41 | MrApathyCream | ponders if the beatles had used that phrase instead |
| 07:19:52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any reason why e6 isn't on ftp://download.sourceforge.net? |
| 07:19:55 | BZFlag | Guardian: always looking for new team members. |
| 07:20:03 | Guardian | Yes, well and you use C syntax too I mentioned earlier. |
| 07:20:30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:20:33 | Guardian | And C++ maybe be C plus more, but I learned C++ first and didn't know some C stuff |
| 07:20:40 | captain_proton | Guardian: you can't do C++ without using C syntax |
| 07:20:41 | Guardian | That is all. |
| 07:20:46 | Guardian | Yes you can. |
| 07:20:51 | captain_proton | nothing real |
| 07:20:53 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 is more c++ish |
| 07:20:59 | Guardian | You just skip the printf and go right to cout |
| 07:21:01 | captain_proton | as in, its difficult to do things like sprintf |
| 07:21:13 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you mean like: ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/bzflag/bzflag-1.7e6.tgz |
| 07:21:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hmm |
| 07:21:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: must be mirror issues |
| 07:21:32 | BZFlag | perhaps |
| 07:21:46 | Guardian | Anyway, what is involved in joining the team. |
| 07:21:47 | captain_proton | it was about 10 mins ago that i tried |
| 07:21:55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:21:56 | captain_proton | start coding? |
| 07:21:59 | MrApathyCream | write some code |
| 07:22:08 | Guardian | What do you need written? |
| 07:22:15 | captain_proton | oh - and you need to sacrifice a goat |
| 07:22:31 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: hmm... I just realized the other win* releases would mean bzflag17e6.exe |
| 07:22:32 | MrApathyCream | named wally |
| 07:22:53 | BZFlag | bet you are dieing to hear that huh? |
| 07:22:54 | MrApathyCream | uggg. |
| 07:22:58 | captain_proton | Guardian: look at the newly missing things in doc/crs-plans |
| 07:23:02 | captain_proton | in the 1.8 branch |
| 07:23:03 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:23:18 | captain_proton | tell me - is the e6 win build posted a good build? |
| 07:23:24 | MrApathyCream | restarts ftp again. 20 mins more |
| 07:23:38 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 07:23:41 | captain_proton | on sf |
| 07:23:49 | captain_proton | i need to know if its ok for people to download it |
| 07:23:54 | MrApathyCream | bzfinst.exe is |
| 07:24:02 | MrApathyCream | but i can't rename it |
| 07:24:11 | captain_proton | ok |
| 07:24:38 | Guardian2 | That was sexy... |
| 07:25:15 | BZFlag | captain_proton: there is not one there yet, is there? it shows up but should not yet have an attachment |
| 07:25:15 | Guardian | So does something in particular need to be worked on? |
| 07:25:32 | BZFlag | Guardian: whatever interests you. |
| 07:25:36 | captain_proton | BZFlag: project page - win32 1.7e6 june 18 |
| 07:25:53 | Guardian | Well right now I am thinking about things that I want as a server admin. |
| 07:26:02 | BZFlag | Guardian: we will be working on 1.8 now though, so try that. |
| 07:26:14 | BZFlag | captain_proton: and the binary? |
| 07:26:17 | captain_proton | yes yes! no more 1.7 dev! |
| 07:26:22 | captain_proton | BZFlag: haven't checked =} |
| 07:26:24 | Guardian | I am not sure if I have the newest source |
| 07:26:32 | MrApathyCream | e8e8e8! |
| 07:26:38 | captain_proton | oh ok - 'no files' |
| 07:27:42 | Guardian | ah looks like I got 1.7e4 source, ewww |
| 07:28:05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: how long for win32? |
| 07:28:54 | MrApathyCream | heh: anymore name changes? |
| 07:29:09 | MrApathyCream | 20mins |
| 07:30:04 | Guardian | hmm I do a make and get this error a lot : xx |
| 07:30:05 | Guardian | cc1plus: warning: -fnonnull-objects is no longer supported |
| 07:30:13 | captain_proton | ignore it |
| 07:30:20 | Guardian | I do, it is just a warning |
| 07:30:27 | Guardian | I just wonder what causes it |
| 07:30:55 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: you should prolly realize that networking and world definitions are gonna change significantly, so you may want to do other stuff |
| 07:31:04 | captain_proton | Guardian: a deprecated compiler flag |
| 07:31:23 | Guardian | Like what MAC? |
| 07:32:33 | MrApathyCream | what'ca interested in? |
| 07:32:38 | MrApathyCream | how could bz be better? |
| 07:32:44 | MrApathyCream | etc, etc. |
| 07:32:58 | Guardian | Well I was saying, from a server admin point of view... |
| 07:33:07 | Guardian | I have some ideas. |
| 07:33:16 | captain_proton | start talking |
| 07:33:20 | MrApathyCream | g'head |
| 07:33:30 | Guardian | Well... *puts thoughts together* |
| 07:33:33 | MrApathyCream | points at captain_proton and nods |
| 07:33:59 | Guardian | I mentioned: log of events. |
| 07:34:42 | Guardian | Also admin from console the server is run on would be nice, so you could admin even without a client |
| 07:34:50 | MrApathyCream | idea(s)? |
| 07:35:33 | Guardian | One thing I wanted was an sound when a message is sent from other players |
| 07:35:58 | MrApathyCream | to anyone or just to you |
| 07:36:07 | Guardian | to anyone. |
| 07:36:08 | MrApathyCream | 'you've got mail' |
| 07:36:19 | MrApathyCream | that would be a noisy game |
| 07:36:22 | BZFlag | Guardian: yes, admin without a client would be nice. |
| 07:36:23 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 07:36:27 | captain_proton | 'somebody's got mail' |
| 07:36:39 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:36:45 | Guardian | When I am observing, I will be doing something else and want to know if somebody asks for an admin |
| 07:36:54 | jpablo | wow bzflag release. |
| 07:37:01 | Guardian | I have to keep looking back and scrolling up |
| 07:37:06 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 07:37:21 | Guardian | Also, if as an admin you could hear team chatter. |
| 07:37:37 | captain_proton | eww |
| 07:37:41 | Guardian | Only as observer of course |
| 07:37:42 | captain_proton | as an observer perhaps |
| 07:37:44 | MrApathyCream | bigbrother mode |
| 07:37:44 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:38:22 | Guardian | But I am much more forgiving of TKs if the person apologizes and if they do it over team talk, as they often do, I can't tell |
| 07:39:10 | captain_proton | makes a note to apologize when he makes his TK rounds |
| 07:39:40 | Guardian | I would guess it takes up ram, but the limit to the size of the log on the client has been a hassle on a number of occasions. |
| 07:39:44 | MrApathyCream | wonders if captain_proton ever plays non-rogue |
| 07:40:37 | MrApathyCream | in-message editing would be nice |
| 07:40:38 | Guardian | Oh yes, and the fact that ban lists aren't saved in a file, so when you restart the server you lose them is a problem, IMHO |
| 07:41:25 | MrApathyCream | would be |
| 07:42:12 | MrApathyCream | Guardian: have you used bans much, and do get into problems either because the filter is too big or too small? |
| 07:42:37 | Guardian | I have only banned about ten people in total since I started running my server |
| 07:42:52 | Guardian | I am not quite the tyrant people say sometimes. |
| 07:42:55 | MrApathyCream | Do you wildcard? |
| 07:43:07 | Guardian | The IPs? I was wondering if that was possible |
| 07:43:10 | Guardian | No. |
| 07:43:18 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:43:22 | Guardian | cool. |
| 07:43:36 | Guardian | I don't know, wildcards seem like overkill. |
| 07:43:54 | Guardian | If banning could be done my nick or IP that would be nice. |
| 07:43:54 | MrApathyCream | do peeps ever come back on cause of dynamic ips? |
| 07:44:04 | Guardian | I haven't seen that yet. |
| 07:44:09 | Guardian | But I wouldn't be suprised. |
| 07:44:39 | MrApathyCream | know about /playerlist? |
| 07:44:43 | Guardian | Yeah |
| 07:44:49 | captain_proton | i had cell do that once |
| 07:44:53 | captain_proton | then i banned with a .* =) |
| 07:45:24 | MrApathyCream | anyone complain that they were banned while innocent cause of *? |
| 07:45:27 | Guardian | I have /playerlist bound to alt-f2 so I can get an IP before a cheater drops to avoid my wrath |
| 07:45:38 | captain_proton | nope |
| 07:45:56 | Guardian | I suppose the chances are low, but I still feel .* is risky. |
| 07:46:31 | Guardian | If you were to ban 130.85.*.* you would ban the entire UMBC campus for instance |
| 07:47:56 | Guardian | Well I really need to sleep. |
| 07:48:07 | Guardian | I will try to think of more things. |
| 07:48:11 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: win32 posted |
| 07:48:23 | captain_proton | i feel that banning 1 or 2 innocents is better than letting a cheater ruin game after game |
| 07:48:31 | Guardian | And I will begin to read the code and try to understand it. |
| 07:48:43 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: agreed |
| 07:48:58 | Guardian | That is true, but if the admin is there enough, like me, you can stop them even repeatedly |
| 07:48:59 | captain_proton | i watched perfect cell ruin a 15-player decks game |
| 07:49:19 | captain_proton | kept cheating until there were 3 people left, then went on to another server |
| 07:49:24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: see the win e6 yet? |
| 07:49:26 | Guardian | Today was the first time my server was emptied by a cheater |
| 07:49:39 | Guardian | I got on just as he/she left |
| 07:49:56 | Guardian | but again if the server had logged the IP I could block that person. |
| 07:50:00 | MrApathyCream | lack admin =? ban voting system |
| 07:50:57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: not yet |
| 07:52:13 | Guardian | I just checked my server, and watched somebody named 9678435(something) fly high high into the sky |
| 07:52:26 | Guardian | While invincible and shooting rockets |
| 07:52:45 | captain_proton | number guy |
| 07:53:28 | BZFlag | Guardian: run the server with a -d and I think you will get the IP in the log. |
| 07:53:39 | Guardian | Wait there is a log? |
| 07:53:41 | BZFlag | well, the out put, which you can log. ;-) |
| 07:53:45 | Guardian | Ah |
| 07:54:16 | Guardian | hmmm the new bzflag just crashed |
| 07:54:19 | Guardian | client |
| 07:54:21 | Guardian | I mean |
| 07:55:01 | Guardian | Ah, so the log is there already |
| 07:56:02 | captain_proton | realizes he's got a hardboiled egg in his pocket |
| 07:59:18 | Guardian | hmmm |
| 08:00:20 | Guardian | I seem to be having trouble getting to output to a file |
| 08:00:36 | Guardian | I should just put > log.txt at the end and it will work right? |
| 08:00:42 | MrApathyCream | waits for captain_proton's punch line |
| 08:00:46 | BZFlag | yep |
| 08:00:58 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: there is no punch line. i was serious |
| 08:01:01 | BZFlag | punch line? |
| 08:01:02 | Guardian | hmm, will log.txt change while the server runs? |
| 08:01:14 | captain_proton | good egg too |
| 08:01:19 | BZFlag | Guardian: on unix yes. on windows? don't know. |
| 08:01:27 | Guardian | Or only when the command completes (which is never...hopefully) |
| 08:01:36 | captain_proton | who's up for some hall o' mirrors? |
| 08:01:38 | Guardian | well in unix I am not seeing anything in the file |
| 08:01:56 | BZFlag | Guardian: you have a -d when you run bzfs? |
| 08:02:09 | Guardian | Yes. |
| 08:02:11 | captain_proton | babylonia.flatirons.org:5156 - everyone is invited |
| 08:02:20 | Guardian | bzfs -h -j -mp 0,5,5,5,5 -public Asmodeus +r -t +s 20 -st 20 -sw 1 -ms 3 -passwd asmobz -mo 4 -r -synctime -d > log.txt |
| 08:02:24 | captain_proton | err |
| 08:02:25 | Guardian | oops |
| 08:02:26 | captain_proton | 5157 |
| 08:02:30 | Guardian | must change password now |
| 08:03:19 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: i'm game |
| 08:03:41 | Guardian | So should that work? |
| 08:05:19 | BZFlag | looks good. let me check mine... |
| 08:05:45 | BZFlag | Guardian: I use -d -d |
| 08:06:13 | Guardian | two? |
| 08:07:15 | Guardian | The -d is doing something, it now outputs stuff to the screen, and with the >log.txt it actually no longer outputs the messages to the screen |
| 08:07:27 | Guardian | Just the server start up stuff. |
| 08:07:53 | Guardian | Yeah, it only writes to the file when the command finishes. |
| 08:08:07 | Guardian | I ctrl-c and the file fills right up. |
| 08:08:41 | Guardian | Wonder what I can do. |
| 08:09:23 | BZFlag | I think I do an fflush whenever a player leaves. perhaps that's only on DEBUG=1 servers (which I use) |
| 08:10:07 | Guardian | That a command line option or a pre-compile setting? (a const?) |
| 08:12:50 | BZFlag | compile setting |
| 08:13:19 | Guardian | Alright well something for another day. |
| 08:13:42 | Guardian | Right now the problem is that if bzflag crashes, it screws up my desktop video settings. |
| 08:13:50 | Guardian | It makes it all bright and washed out. |
| 08:14:44 | Guardian | Well, anyway, ponder I am going to bed, for real. |
| 08:14:50 | Guardian | Night all |
| 08:15:06 | Guardian | Thanks for all the help. I will be looking at the code. |
| 08:18:47 | Chestal | pfft |
| 08:18:54 | Chestal | why am I beign ingored |
| 08:19:01 | Chestal | now we need an 1.7e8 release |
| 08:19:20 | Chestal | or I'll have to do a reogue 1.7chestal release |
| 08:19:39 | BZFlag | whacks Chestal up side the head with a GM |
| 08:20:04 | Chestal | bzflag: I'm being earnest about this, there have been plenty of players complainging about latest e5 |
| 08:20:08 | Chestal | this is not going to work |
| 08:20:38 | Chestal | the best thing to do is to revert e6 |
| 08:21:04 | Chestal | I have not been complaing much on the # latetly, mostly because I was busy and I haven't met you here for a week or so |
| 08:21:57 | Chestal | but several of the IMHO most important players out there asked me to influence e6 in a way, that several things will at least be optional |
| 08:23:18 | Chestal | good work on the man page updated, although one thign is still missing which I would liek to go in:L description of some config file items |
| 08:26:19 | MrApathyCream | mornin' chestal, sorry..off to bed.. |
| 08:26:32 | Chestal | good night MAC |
| 08:27:21 | BZFlag | Chestal: ahh. config items for te man page would have been good. |
| 08:27:34 | captain_proton | goes to update the web page |
| 08:29:04 | jpablo | humm. |
| 08:30:05 | jpablo | /usr/include/g++-v3-3.1/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the deprecated header <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. |
| 08:30:14 | jpablo | In file included from /usr/include/g++-v3-3.1/backward/iostream.h:31, |
| 08:31:19 | BZFlag | yep. c++ revisions suck. |
| 08:31:39 | jpablo | also it complains for -I/usr/include |
| 08:32:14 | captain_proton | web page updated |
| 08:32:28 | Chestal | jpablo: which version are you compiling? |
| 08:32:39 | jpablo | Chestal: lastes cvs. |
| 08:32:45 | Chestal | jpablo: 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 08:32:47 | jpablo | 1.7 branch. |
| 08:32:55 | Chestal | ok, 1.7 is not goign to work with g++ >=3.0 |
| 08:33:04 | Chestal | AFAIK |
| 08:33:18 | jpablo | yeah compilation failed. |
| 08:33:21 | Chestal | it's using some pre-standard C++ thingies |
| 08:34:18 | jpablo | tries to hack it up to compile. |
| 08:34:29 | jpablo | the new -march=athlon-xp looks interesting. |
| 08:36:25 | Chestal | still thinks releasing e6 as is is a mistake |
| 08:39:26 | captain_proton | BZFlag: spammed /.? |
| 08:42:18 | BZFlag | just posted there, yeah. feel free to post an dupe ;-) |
| 08:42:36 | captain_proton | haHA! |
| 08:43:28 | jpablo | looks how nobody is taking Chestal seriously. |
| 08:44:26 | jpablo | does agree with Chestal. |
| 08:45:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: duped |
| 08:46:38 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:46:55 | captain_proton | fellows at holarse.de might be a possible spam target |
| 08:47:41 | captain_proton | goes to do it |
| 08:51:17 | BZFlag | captain_proton: feel free to email em, and you can add that to the end of README if you like. |
| 08:56:59 | BZFlag | Chestal: I comes down to this: I get more people saying it looks really cool and is better to play than I get people complaining about it. |
| 08:57:28 | BZFlag | Chestal: I'm open to suggestions for improvements of course, but I do believe that over all the reaction will be positive. |
| 08:57:56 | Chestal | BZFlag: my talk to players revealed the opposite |
| 08:58:20 | Chestal | BZFLag: wel-known players as monkey_boy, kono, jolly, lupinator do not liek the new HUD at all |
| 08:58:32 | Chestal | a lot of players who liek the new HUD in general do not like the translucency |
| 08:58:41 | Chestal | and nearly every player on earth dislikes the coloured shots on radar |
| 08:59:01 | Chestal | also, peopel with software rendering (liek dinah and me) cannot use e6 because of framerate drop |
| 08:59:14 | Chestal | so I voted to make it optional, just as the lined / colured shots on radar |
| 08:59:20 | Chestal | peopel otu there actually like to have options |
| 09:00:19 | Chestal | as I see it, most expereinced players do not like the changes. Maybe they're just being conservative, but changes which affect the gameplay are serious and should be optional |
| 09:00:49 | Chestal | makign the new HUD optional might give messy code because of all the big if else statements, but that's a non issue for dead code as 1.7 |
| 09:01:17 | BZFlag | I hear ya. I've just not heard that from enough people to believe it. I do believe that it is what you have been hearing. |
| 09:01:59 | BZFlag | but I'd say 9 out of 10 of the people that I've talked to that have seen both interfaces like the new one. |
| 09:02:13 | BZFlag | you and a few others are in the 1 out of 10 that don't. |
| 09:03:33 | BZFlag | I know there is close to a 33% frame rate drop. That's the one that bugs me the most. |
| 09:03:55 | BZFlag | I'd like to make the display area easily sizable in 1.8 for exactly that reason. |
| 09:04:19 | captain_proton | isn't it already easily sizeable in 1.8? |
| 09:04:21 | BZFlag | so the viewport can be smaller if you need it and have msgs etc on opaque windows. |
| 09:04:39 | BZFlag | captain_proton: have not tried resizing the base window. should work. |
| 09:05:10 | BZFlag | but I mean it should be bound to keys like numpad +- so that it can happen right in the game. |
| 09:07:19 | jpablo | damn i hate c++. |
| 09:14:04 | captain_proton | is off to bed |
| 09:14:06 | captain_proton | 'night fellas |
| 09:16:31 | jpablo | well i'll go to bed without bzflag-athlon-xp tonight :-(. |
| 09:18:58 | jpablo | resources.cxx:88: invalid use of undefined type `struct istream' |
| 09:19:00 | jpablo | any idea ? |
| 09:20:15 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, the resizing issue could be met with 1.8 |
| 09:20:55 | Chestal | BZFlag: IMHO I know at least "my" part of the bzflag comunity very well, that is the players that play on ducati. That covers most of the advanced players on the public servers |
| 09:21:39 | Chestal | BZFlag: so, the opinions I gathered are from that bunch of people. And it might be arrogant to say so, but I think they're the most important players in the community |
| 09:22:03 | Chestal | and some of them have quite strong feelings about the HUD / radar issues |
| 09:22:16 | Chestal | I say, they won't update to a version liek this |
| 09:22:48 | Chestal | the problem is that players do not give enough feedback, at least not on the "official" sf forums / ml |
| 09:23:02 | Chestal | I said they should do it, but except for freelancer yesterday, noone did |
| 09:23:33 | Chestal | they will still feel being passed over as - honestly - do I |
| 09:23:44 | Chestal | and now I have t go to my car, because it's inthe 1 hour parking area |
| 09:25:48 | BZFlag | k. by all means encourge them to be more vocal especially with detailed comments or even better patches. ;-) |
| 09:31:11 | jpablo | cool, looks like i got a rigth fix for one issue. |
| 09:33:02 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, yes, but what now? |
| 09:33:06 | jpablo | while (input != istream()) { |
| 09:33:10 | jpablo | line 85 |
| 09:33:24 | Chestal | what's this lien supposed to do? it looks evil |
| 09:33:40 | jpablo | dunno :-P |
| 09:33:54 | jpablo | but that's what you are supposed to do acording to the porting-guide. |
| 09:34:34 | jpablo | * |
| 09:34:34 | jpablo | if (iterator) won't work any more => use if (iterator != iterator_type()) ? |
| 09:35:03 | Chestal | I am missing some context here |
| 09:35:25 | Chestal | surely, istream is no iterator type |
| 09:35:40 | jpablo | oh ... |
| 09:35:50 | jpablo | should stop trying to hack c++. |
| 09:36:21 | jpablo | goes to sleep. |
| 09:36:29 | jp_ZzZ | nigths. |
| 09:37:30 | Chestal | good night jp |
| 10:01:31 | BZFlag | nite |
| 10:45:23 | iLLf8d | woohoo got ut installed =) |
| 10:45:34 | iLLf8d | sheesh didn't look like it was gonna happen there for a while |
| 13:11:32 | Widget | is back (gone 05:54:28) |
| 14:20:57 | Guardian-shower | I have thought of another idea for bzflag, is anybody around? |
| 14:23:15 | Chestal | I'm listening with one ear |
| 14:23:43 | Guardian | Well, I think a MOTD from the server would be extremely useful. |
| 14:25:01 | Chestal | hmm, there already is a server welcome message |
| 14:25:08 | Chestal | it has to be specified when startign the server |
| 14:25:35 | Guardian-shaving | Oh? |
| 14:25:50 | Guardian-shaving | How do I implement that? |
| 14:27:59 | Chestal | I am using -srvmsg 'Welcome! Play fair.' |
| 14:28:09 | Chestal | on ducati |
| 14:32:00 | Guardian-shaving | How long does the message display for? |
| 14:32:38 | Chestal | it sent as a message when a player joins |
| 14:32:45 | Guardian | Right. |
| 14:32:51 | Guardian | But how long do they see it? |
| 14:33:00 | Guardian | Is it timed, or do they press a key? |
| 14:33:03 | Chestal | additionally, e5/e6 have -admsg for messages which willbe broadcast periodically |
| 14:33:18 | Chestal | it's displayed in the message console, just as any other message |
| 14:33:27 | Guardian | oooh, I like that |
| 14:39:15 | Guardian | is there somewhere with all these nifty features documented? |
| 15:13:31 | blackhound | hi Chestal |
| 15:13:37 | blackhound | Widget sup? |
| 15:13:51 | Guardian | They are quiet right now. |
| 15:13:54 | Chestal | hi black |
| 15:13:57 | Guardian | or not |
| 15:14:03 | Chestal | guardian: yes, they're documented in the bzfs man page |
| 15:14:11 | Guardian | Okay, thanks |
| 15:16:43 | Guardian | Ah, maybe it is a version info but the man doesn't have any of that stuff in it.... |
| 15:16:58 | Guardian | had already read it before... |
| 15:17:38 | Chestal | it's not in e4 |
| 15:17:45 | Chestal | well, the srvmsg part should be actually |
| 15:18:36 | Guardian | Well I am not sure which version of the man I have, but srvmsg isn't mentioned |
| 16:31:59 | akira_ | moin |
| 16:53:39 | goofey | is back (gone 10:58:56) |
| 16:58:47 | freelancer1 | Hi Chestal |
| 17:07:57 | freelancer_ | i have just tried 17e6 lots of opinions on the radar |
| 17:35:38 | blackhound | bbl |
| 18:57:22 | m0nkey_b0y | hi all |
| 18:58:29 | Guardian | hi |
| 18:58:58 | m0nkey_b0y | just tried out e6 |
| 18:59:04 | Guardian | ah |
| 18:59:18 | m0nkey_b0y | my eyes are still recovering :) |
| 19:05:26 | Guardian | Hi captain_proton |
| 19:05:30 | captain_proton | yo |
| 19:05:44 | m0nkey_b0y | hi captain |
| 19:06:39 | captain_proton | sigh @ slashdot |
| 19:09:35 | Guardian | Why sigh? |
| 19:09:53 | captain_proton | lilo is still begging for $$ |
| 19:11:13 | Guardian | So I think I figured out a way to log my server without using -d or turning on debug |
| 19:13:07 | Guardian | well, this sorta works. |
| 19:13:17 | Guardian | Only I realize now, it doesn't give me IPs |
| 19:14:07 | Guardian | ah well |
| 19:16:27 | m0nkey_b0y | i saw yesterday that supercell was on your your server guardian |
| 19:16:35 | m0nkey_b0y | assuming that was your server ;) |
| 19:36:51 | Chestal | re |
| 19:37:07 | m0nkey_b0y | hi ches |
| 19:37:51 | Guardian-class | Yeah there was some cheating, I got the IP of two people |
| 19:38:49 | Chestal | monkey: tried e6 already and wrote your opinion about it on sf? |
| 19:39:47 | m0nkey_b0y | i wrote a long post..then cancelled it. i tried e6 today and simply i can not use it. |
| 19:40:16 | m0nkey_b0y | guardian: i had super cell ip and someone yesterday also |
| 19:40:34 | Chestal | that's what I was saying to Tim. He said, that the feedback he became, was nearly 100% positive |
| 19:40:38 | Chestal | I guess he asked the wrong people |
| 19:41:00 | m0nkey_b0y | strange...100% i have talked to is negative |
| 19:41:10 | Chestal | I feel that we should do the changes needed (add options for HUD and radar) and do another release quickly |
| 19:41:39 | Chestal | I guess when peopel can switch between new and old HUD and coloured / white shots on radar, everyone should be happy |
| 19:41:50 | captain_proton | in general the only people that talk about it are the ones who don't like it =/ |
| 19:41:53 | m0nkey_b0y | i am staying with e5, and your radar patch. e6 is not usable |
| 19:42:09 | Chestal | proton: there are peopel who liek the new HUD |
| 19:42:33 | Chestal | proton: and some of those who liek it, want less translucency |
| 19:43:03 | Chestal | and others do not liek e6 for different reasons, this is what I have been talkign about the last weeks |
| 19:43:21 | Chestal | we need to do another release which fixes that |
| 19:43:41 | Chestal | not a big issue IMHO, just some big if-else-statements |
| 19:43:48 | Chestal | might be ugly, but who cares anyway? |
| 19:44:00 | m0nkey_b0y | fantazee post about an game-style option...is that possible? |
| 19:44:00 | Chestal | when we are at it, we can add documentation for the config file |
| 19:44:18 | captain_proton | does not decide such things |
| 19:44:19 | Chestal | m0nkey: of course it is, it's ugly codewise, but not very hard to do |
| 19:44:24 | m0nkey_b0y | maybe a classic and current style? |
| 19:44:40 | Chestal | m0nkey: we just take the pre-HUD-change code and the new code and put it in biiiig ifs |
| 19:44:55 | m0nkey_b0y | yikes |
| 19:44:56 | Chestal | the other option woudl be two different binaries, but I do not liek that |
| 19:45:09 | Chestal | 1.7 is dead codewise, so I see no problem with ugly code at all |
| 19:45:22 | Chestal | the whole HUD thing is different in 1.8 anyway |
| 19:45:53 | captain_proton | we ought to heavily document the 1.8 hud and get people hacking up new looks for it |
| 19:45:55 | Chestal | m0nkey: I just urge everyone who tried e6 to post his opinion on sourceforge |
| 19:46:04 | Chestal | or discuss it here with TIm, because he is the man who decides |
| 19:46:14 | BeZee | hi fanta |
| 19:46:24 | FantaZee | hi zee |
| 19:46:28 | Chestal | hi fant |
| 19:46:35 | m0nkey_b0y | ok i will. i cancelled because i did not want to offend you coders..its a freegame :) |
| 19:46:53 | m0nkey_b0y | hi Zee's |
| 19:47:05 | FantaZee | hi all :-) |
| 19:47:07 | BeZee | hi |
| 19:47:11 | Chestal | m0nkey: well, feedback from the community is always good |
| 19:47:14 | captain_proton | if you feel the need to contribute monetarily, we have no issues with that |
| 19:47:37 | m0nkey_b0y | i will share my large supply of bananas with you proton |
| 19:48:09 | m0nkey_b0y | banana cream pie can keep a student alive for many days |
| 19:49:08 | captain_proton | mmmm |
| 19:49:35 | m0nkey_b0y | sounds good doesn't it? |
| 19:54:44 | captain_proton | ergh @ lag on ducati |
| 19:55:27 | m0nkey_b0y | ok i posted on sf |
| 19:56:32 | m0nkey_b0y | have you tried angela's server yet proton? |
| 19:56:46 | m0nkey_b0y | pretty nice |
| 19:58:46 | FantaZee | later guys |
| 20:16:07 | captain_proton | yo tim |
| 20:40:37 | BZFlag | Chestal: the anti new-gui folk are coming out of the woodwork now. |
| 20:40:47 | BZFlag | yo |
| 20:42:33 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, yes, I urge everyone to post their opinion on e6, not very much feedback yet, though, but I haven't met many people yet, was busy working today |
| 20:54:42 | m0nkey_b0y | howdy |
| 20:55:00 | BZFlag | Chestal: good work though. keep it up. |
| 20:57:14 | captain_proton | tries to track down the evildoer who is killing bzfs |
| 20:58:26 | BZFlag | eek. |
| 20:59:14 | captain_proton | i have a hard time believing that bzfs could be crashing multiple times a day, considering bzfs never crashes |
| 21:01:09 | Chestal | 1.7 bzfs? |
| 21:01:21 | Chestal | these days, it crashes very rarely for me |
| 21:02:18 | m0nkey_b0y | have you ever seen your server with thousands of players? |
| 21:06:36 | BZFlag | thousands? not possible. |
| 21:06:55 | BZFlag | 40 is a hardcoded limit now. course it might be possible with a recompile. |
| 21:07:11 | m0nkey_b0y | i have seen ducati and mine with thousands. |
| 21:07:54 | m0nkey_b0y | a player sent me an email saying they saw thousand as well. |
| 21:08:07 | m0nkey_b0y | when i checked it was crashed |
| 21:08:09 | BZFlag | thousands of active players? oh, you mean in the server list? yeah, that's a bug I have not be able to find yet. |
| 21:08:20 | m0nkey_b0y | ahh |
| 21:09:36 | Chestal | oh, I rarely use the server list |
| 21:09:51 | Chestal | only bug I encountered is that sometimes the counts are not up-to-date |
| 21:10:03 | Chestal | server lsit shows empty server, but when I join there are lots of players |
| 21:10:42 | Chestal | hmm, wait, I remember a 1000-player bug |
| 21:23:02 | jpablo | can a server have 1000 players ? |
| 21:23:29 | jpablo | eeek, never mind. |
| 21:24:00 | m0nkey_b0y | could you imagine 1000 |
| 21:24:14 | m0nkey_b0y | need a huge map |
| 21:24:18 | jpablo | we played once agains 37 bots. |
| 21:24:41 | jpablo | it was very easily to tell who was a bot and who was a player just by looking the map. |
| 21:48:47 | Widget | dinah? |
| 21:48:53 | dinah | widget |
| 22:10:31 | T-34 | hello everybody! |
| 22:23:23 | Widget | hihihi |
| 22:23:26 | Widget | Anyone here? |
| 22:30:31 | Widget | hihihi, captain_proton. |
| 22:30:38 | captain_proton | yo |
| 22:31:18 | Widget | We should have an international BZFlag tournament. |
| 22:31:49 | Widget | With countries represented by teams composed of their fellow citizens. |
| 22:32:03 | captain_proton | bah @ that |
| 22:32:08 | captain_proton | you'd never find a whole team of kiwis |
| 22:32:12 | Widget | You know Germany will win! |
| 22:32:13 | T-34 | Hello Widget! |
| 22:32:13 | Widget | You know it! |
| 22:32:20 | Widget | Well.... I can play for the UK. |
| 22:32:22 | Widget | hihihi, T-34. |
| 22:32:38 | Widget | The Commonwealth must stick together after all. |
| 22:33:08 | Widget | MortimeR can play for Mexico, I suppose. And Condon for Germany. |
| 22:33:20 | Widget | Are there enought Canadians, I wonder? |
| 22:33:26 | Widget | Besides Quol... |
| 22:35:17 | BZFlag | hey that's eul no? |
| 22:35:41 | Widget | What's eul? |
| 22:35:55 | captain_proton | nuum is canadian |
| 22:36:00 | captain_proton | and he won't let you forget it |
| 22:36:00 | Widget | OK. |
| 22:36:04 | Widget | That's two Canadians. |
| 22:36:25 | Widget | If Canada cannot come up with a team, should they play for the US or for the UK? |
| 22:38:10 | Widget | If there's not enough teams, how about one big Europe v. America match? |
| 22:43:24 | goofey | hey widget |
| 22:43:48 | Widget | hihihi, goofey. |
| 22:45:07 | goofey | Widget: homelinux is a great server (I think that's where I've seen you) |
| 22:45:25 | Widget | Oh, yes, on tankenstein's? |
| 22:45:27 | Widget | No. |
| 22:45:30 | Widget | On Guardian's. |
| 22:45:55 | goofey | asmodus.homelinux.net??? |
| 22:46:00 | goofey | I think? |
| 22:46:25 | Widget | Yes, Guardian's. |
| 22:46:31 | jzaun | Is there any infor on makeing map files? |
| 22:47:10 | captain_proton | what operating system? |
| 22:47:33 | jzaun | captain_proton: if that was for me, Linux |
| 22:48:35 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.0.tar.gz |
| 22:49:06 | jzaun | captain_proton: Thanks |
| 22:49:37 | jzaun | captain_proton: Is there a website to dload world files from/post them to? |
| 22:50:52 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:51:00 | captain_proton | there are a couple world files in the tracker on sf |
| 22:51:06 | captain_proton | best place to post them would be there |
| 22:51:24 | captain_proton | most others have them on their individual web pages |
| 22:51:30 | patlabor221 | I sould make a page that has a DB of world files and allows submisions, that would be cool |
| 22:51:46 | jzaun | patlabor221: That would be very cool |
| 22:51:46 | captain_proton | patlabor221: sf tracker =/ |
| 22:51:54 | patlabor221 | I got 500 megs of web not doing anyting |
| 22:52:13 | patlabor221 | well the SF tracker dons't have screenshots and stuff of em |
| 22:52:28 | captain_proton | true |
| 22:52:35 | captain_proton | perhaps we could work it into the new web page |
| 22:52:43 | patlabor221 | that would be nice |
| 22:52:49 | captain_proton | i was planning on allowing people to create and post their own builds |
| 22:58:03 | T-34 | Bye all |
| 23:01:25 | captain_proton | yo MrApathyCream |
| 23:03:24 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 23:04:33 | patlabor221 | good day man of cream |
| 23:04:56 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 23:05:10 | MrApathyCream | hmm the gui comments start-a-floodin' |
| 23:05:22 | captain_proton | yep |
| 23:05:28 | captain_proton | Chestal is busy sowing dissent |
| 23:06:29 | Widget | Hm.... what new GUI does e6 have? |
| 23:06:38 | MrApathyCream | full screen |
| 23:06:44 | Widget | You mean people actually don't like the new translucent things? |
| 23:06:49 | MrApathyCream | some don't |
| 23:07:07 | MrApathyCream | i think lo res, or crappy graphics cards |
| 23:07:14 | captain_proton | like Chestal |
| 23:07:17 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 23:07:20 | captain_proton | who is admittedly afraid of change |
| 23:07:22 | Widget | Or like me. |
| 23:07:26 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:07:40 | MrApathyCream | buy stock in nvidia :) |
| 23:07:57 | captain_proton | hah |
| 23:08:05 | captain_proton | if i had any $ i would |
| 23:08:21 | patlabor221 | anyone got any idea why in the winmain, there is this overly complex loop to get the app name, then it's not used? |
| 23:08:36 | MrApathyCream | bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:08:54 | patlabor221 | cus the loop can be replaced wiht GetModlueFileName |
| 23:09:17 | patlabor221 | returns the full path to any instance handle |
| 23:10:15 | MrApathyCream | add a patch :) |
| 23:10:21 | MrApathyCream | post on cvs |
| 23:10:29 | MrApathyCream | cvs diff -u |
| 23:10:31 | captain_proton | do it for 1.8 |
| 23:10:33 | captain_proton | 1.7 is dead |
| 23:10:34 | patlabor221 | I will |
| 23:10:50 | patlabor221 | moslty just curious why the appname is goten and not used |
| 23:15:24 | jzaun | captain_proton: I dloaded bzedit, but it can't find gtkgl (wich I have installed -> libgtkglarea5-1.2.3-2mdk.i586.rpm, and the devel pagacke) any idea as to why it can't find it? |
| 23:22:16 | patlabor221 | when I try to run 1.8 it can never find a server, even when I run one localy. |
| 23:22:37 | Widget | Interesting. Why is there a #nippon on EFNet, but no #zhongguo? |
| 23:31:57 | Widget | What does 'yasu to tsukiai tai na' mean? |
| 23:38:50 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 doesn't have multicast discovery |
| 23:40:22 | patlabor221 | ok, that makes sense then, just need to find out why it can't connect to a local server then |
| 23:41:33 | captain_proton | 1.8 doesn't have multicast at all |
| 23:43:28 | captain_proton | now if only i could figure out why particles aren't drawing with the real SceneVisitor i'd be in great shape |
| 23:48:01 | MrApathyCream | you need to manually in you machine name and port |
| 23:48:12 | MrApathyCream | s/manually/manually type/ |
| 23:50:58 | MrApathyCream | <or list it on the listserver, of course> |
| 23:51:34 | MrApathyCream | e8's gonna be awesome |
| 23:52:34 | captain_proton | bah |
| 23:54:31 | MrApathyCream | wonder what the e6 saturation is at this point? |
| 23:54:48 | MrApathyCream | man sf is slow |
| 23:55:52 | captain_proton | grumbles |
| 23:57:32 | patlabor221 | yes it's 5:00 time to go home :) |
| 23:57:35 | patlabor221 | see ya all |
| 23:57:36 | patlabor221 | see ya all |
