| 00:00:09 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I'll try to flex my long-forgotten BZFlag netcode skeelz and hack something up. |
| 00:00:49 | BZFlag | still having issues with e5 server and one each e4 and e5 client. |
| 00:01:15 | BZFlag | posted a change to display ids instead of unknown if debug. |
| 00:01:49 | Chestal | bzflag: hmm, with the newest code? |
| 00:02:29 | Chestal | worked for me earlier. Any idea how to reproduce your problems? |
| 00:04:44 | BZFlag | I just have cvs server with one cvs client and one e4 client. |
| 00:05:09 | BZFlag | the e4 is fine now, but the cvs client is seeing kill msgs with the old id in them. |
| 00:06:10 | Chestal | ah, I think I know why |
| 00:06:14 | Chestal | your fix is broken |
| 00:06:21 | Chestal | I made th esame mistake at first, but forgot about it later |
| 00:06:57 | BZFlag | what? |
| 00:06:57 | Chestal | another reason why the wraper function might be a betetr solution. The problem is, that the buffer pointer b will be incremented in the function |
| 00:07:03 | Chestal | so the reverse patching will not work |
| 00:07:09 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 00:12:55 | Chestal | I'm off to bed now. cu tomorrow |
| 00:23:07 | BZFlag | looking good now. |
| 00:23:19 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 00:36:51 | BZFlag | updated one to cvs. |
| 01:06:05 | Widget | Woowoo. |
| 05:52:17 | captain_proton | whoa lots of cvs action |
| 05:52:38 | BZFlag | Chestal started it. blame him. |
| 05:53:55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:53:56 | MrApathyCream | dang i wish patch.exe would work all the time... |
| 05:54:10 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you sound like some little kid who's gotten in a fistfight |
| 05:56:35 | BZFlag | heh, you should see my fist. ;-) |
| 05:56:35 | MrApathyCream | Ah!!! needs crlf line ends to work!! cool |
| 06:00:01 | captain_proton | grr |
| 06:00:05 | captain_proton | stop filling my inbox |
| 06:00:11 | captain_proton | mail is painful to check on 56k |
| 06:00:23 | MrApathyCream | T1 snob |
| 06:00:35 | captain_proton | smacks MrApathyCream |
| 06:00:40 | captain_proton | i'm on 56k, 'member? |
| 06:00:42 | captain_proton | on windows, no less |
| 06:00:52 | vogon_jeltz | cry me a river. |
| 06:00:59 | MrApathyCream | Yeah but you're complainin' cause normally your a T1 snob |
| 06:01:01 | captain_proton | i just might |
| 06:01:02 | vogon_jeltz | I'm on 56k, day in, day out. |
| 06:02:06 | vogon_jeltz | for one day, something happened to my modem, and it got cranked up to a powarfool 64Kbits!!!1111 |
| 06:02:17 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:02:41 | vogon_jeltz | most of the time, I get, like, 40Kb/sec. |
| 06:04:41 | captain_proton | jumps back into the admin wars |
| 06:04:43 | vogon_jeltz | *maybe* 48Kb. |
| 06:06:25 | captain_proton | lucky bastage |
| 06:06:30 | captain_proton | i'm sitting here at 38.8 |
| 06:06:48 | vogon_jeltz | I 0wn j00!!11 |
| 06:07:04 | vogon_jeltz | pwn3d!1!!!1! |
| 06:07:16 | captain_proton | until i get a cable modem in the not-too-distant-future |
| 06:07:17 | captain_proton | sucka |
| 06:22:34 | MrApathyCream | dang it's christmas in may |
| 06:38:27 | captain_proton | ARRG! |
| 06:38:30 | captain_proton | stop it all of you! |
| 06:38:54 | vogon_jeltz | heheh. |
| 06:53:50 | MrApathyCream | Bein' steamrolled :) |
| 06:54:30 | captain_proton | You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/jupiter |
| 06:54:35 | captain_proton | ahhhh |
| 07:47:41 | M_A_C | what's the irc command to reassume your zombiezed identity? |
| 07:47:56 | captain_proton | M_A_C: have you registered that nick? |
| 07:48:08 | M_A_C | i guess not |
| 07:48:23 | captain_proton | in that case you wait for the ping timeout |
| 07:48:37 | M_A_C | ah |
| 10:38:06 | Chestal | uh |
| 11:01:40 | Chestal | hi ffd |
| 11:03:34 | finalfantasydog | heylas, Just went to a mozilla release party, That was insane, The head of bugzilla is a 13 year old |
| 11:04:08 | Chestal | deinstalls Mozilla and Galeon ;-) |
| 11:05:12 | Chestal | actually, I was skeptical with Mozilla in the beginning, but it improved quite nicely. I'm using Galeon these days as my default browser, the gecko engine isn't bad |
| 11:05:40 | Chestal | but the Mozilla GUI is a hog |
| 11:07:12 | vogon_jeltz | the only reason's because it's designed to be cross-platform. |
| 11:07:23 | vogon_jeltz | Mozilla's not technically an end-user product. |
| 11:08:34 | Chestal | vogon: shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 11:08:46 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, whatever. |
| 11:09:07 | Chestal | hmm, Tim obviously doesn't liek the idea of more radar options |
| 11:09:41 | Chestal | btw., anyone seen crs23 lately? |
| 11:10:27 | vogon_jeltz | nope. |
| 11:10:30 | Chestal | my Linux kernel is stable, but it sucks with disc I/O |
| 11:10:31 | vogon_jeltz | maybe RCAM killed him. |
| 13:49:32 | manlix | anyone here that can help me with bzflag and freebsd? |
| 13:51:40 | Chestal | hmm, never tried it on freebsd, but I can try. What's your problem? |
| 13:51:53 | manlix | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 13:51:53 | manlix | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 13:51:53 | manlix | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 13:51:54 | manlix | Can't create window. Exiting. |
| 13:52:02 | vogon_jeltz | do you have Mesa installed? |
| 13:52:30 | manlix | yes... Mesa-3.4.2_2 |
| 13:52:36 | Chestal | looks like your gl libs wants to use GLX extension of your X-Server, but you haven't activated glx |
| 13:52:46 | Chestal | what X-Server are you using? |
| 13:52:48 | vogon_jeltz | do you have Load "glx" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 13:53:04 | manlix | i dont have any glx-driver |
| 13:53:09 | manlix | Chestal: 4.2.0 |
| 13:53:17 | Chestal | manlix: what driver / video carD? |
| 13:53:28 | manlix | nv... gf2 |
| 13:53:43 | Chestal | hmm, I don't know a thign about nivdeas driver, sorry |
| 13:53:54 | manlix | ok.... :[ |
| 13:54:05 | vogon_jeltz | if you were on Linux, I could help. |
| 13:54:22 | manlix | i have got it to work on linux... |
| 13:55:00 | manlix | hmm |
| 13:55:15 | Chestal | but X config should be the same on BSD? |
| 13:55:21 | manlix | yes |
| 13:55:26 | Chestal | do you have glx on Linux? |
| 13:55:29 | manlix | yes |
| 13:57:13 | Chestal | we got FreeBSD machines on the university |
| 13:57:18 | Chestal | they seem to have glx |
| 13:57:27 | manlix | hmm |
| 13:57:49 | Chestal | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a |
| 13:58:25 | manlix | i dont got that... |
| 13:59:24 | Chestal | it's 4.5 STABLE here |
| 13:59:33 | manlix | im running 4.6-RC |
| 13:59:50 | manlix | but the glx shouldnt have anything to do with the glx |
| 14:00:00 | manlix | the freebsd-version i mean |
| 14:00:24 | manlix | the bzflag-port should install everything needed by bzflag |
| 14:02:02 | Chestal | hmm, I don#t know |
| 14:02:10 | Chestal | I woudl assume, that bzfalg just uses you libGL |
| 14:02:18 | Chestal | and your libGL seems to require glx extension |
| 14:02:30 | Chestal | which should be in Xfree4 |
| 14:02:36 | manlix | hmm.... ok |
| 14:02:58 | Chestal | do you ave 'glxinfo'? |
| 14:03:13 | manlix | yes |
| 14:03:41 | Chestal | does it say anythign useful? |
| 14:03:41 | manlix | it reports the same as bzflag |
| 14:05:25 | Chestal | the two peopel I know who have FreeBSD experience are not here right now |
| 14:05:38 | manlix | hmm... ok |
| 14:05:58 | manlix | i can wait... :] |
| 14:06:18 | Chestal | of course you can try and ask on the bzflag forums or mailing lists |
| 14:06:37 | pnm | guys |
| 14:06:39 | manlix | hmm... |
| 14:06:42 | Chestal | hi pnm |
| 14:06:46 | pnm | has anyone ever tried anaglyph bzflag |
| 14:06:59 | Chestal | huh? |
| 14:07:45 | Chestal | is that with red/blue glasses? |
| 14:09:27 | pnm | sorry - had to answer phone |
| 14:09:28 | pnm | yup |
| 14:09:34 | pnm | it's the red/blue glasses thing |
| 14:09:36 | Chestal | no, does it work? |
| 14:09:49 | pnm | not sure - going to try and get it working |
| 14:09:58 | pnm | was wondering whether anyone else had already done it |
| 14:10:31 | pnm | it'd be quite fun to have an actual 3d battlefield, tanks moving 'out of the screen' etc |
| 14:11:29 | pnm | would mean halving the fps at least though :( , since two frames would have to be rendered instead of one (one for each eye) |
| 14:27:10 | vogon_jeltz | is away: nap time. |
| 16:08:51 | Chestal | ah, hi Tim |
| 16:09:06 | Chestal | lots of commits yesterday :-) |
| 16:14:45 | BZFlag | yep, fun fun. off to eat. |
| 17:37:24 | Chestal | BZFlag: heh, why don't you liek my radar options? :-) I really think they're useful |
| 18:59:12 | Multitronic | Hi there |
| 19:09:50 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 19:53:59 | BZFlag | just want to find a happy medium and avoid options where we can. |
| 19:54:22 | BZFlag | I plan to remove the enhanced radar setting and make that the default. |
| 19:54:50 | BZFlag | I don't mind config file options for those if you like, just want to keep the interface as simple as possible. |
| 19:55:27 | BZFlag | I'd like to make udp detection automatic in 1.8 for example. and not have the option to turn it on and off. I doubt I;ll do that in 1.7 though. |
| 19:57:40 | Chestal | I think enhanced radar does not hurt anyone |
| 19:57:55 | Chestal | I think it's ok to activate it always |
| 19:58:13 | Chestal | but with the shots, I think it's really hard to find a good solution which suits everyone |
| 19:58:47 | Chestal | if we go with non-menu options, these things should be at least documented |
| 19:59:10 | Chestal | there already are sveral features liek the quickmessages or the colours which can be edited in the config file, but there's no documentation |
| 19:59:22 | Chestal | btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or is there somethign different for Windows? |
| 19:59:55 | BZFlag | man pages only at present. would be nice to fix that at some point. |
| 20:01:28 | Chestal | so, what do you suggest? you don't want the addiotnal menu items? |
| 20:03:00 | BZFlag | I'd prefer we find colors that work the best on different displays and color the shots for everyone. |
| 20:03:12 | BZFlag | might need lighter colors for some etc. |
| 20:03:30 | Chestal | btw., I adjusted idlekick for observers; did you take a look at my CTF flag bug fixes? |
| 20:03:51 | Chestal | if you agree, I would commit both idlekick + the bug workarounds |
| 20:04:59 | Chestal | IMHO coloured shots on radar are eye-candy only, they are just not useful and distracting. And on most/some displays, pixels work better for shots, it's just more accurate than lines |
| 20:05:54 | Chestal | hmm, anyone else alive? |
| 20:12:44 | Chestal | heh captain |
| 20:21:48 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 20:21:57 | Chestal | hi Cream |
| 20:22:02 | | what's up, MrApathyCream |
| 20:22:02 | MrApathyCream | hi |
| 20:22:09 | Chestal | what's your opinion on the radar? |
| 20:22:11 | MrApathyCream | bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:22:31 | MrApathyCream | i like the new radar, but don't have a problem if it's configurable in menus |
| 20:22:34 | Chestal | hmm, why is '-d' option hidden? |
| 20:22:48 | MrApathyCream | -d? |
| 20:23:03 | Chestal | increases debug level of server, it gets more verbose qwith each -d |
| 20:23:13 | Chestal | I'm running my server with one -d always |
| 20:23:18 | MrApathyCream | ah didnt know..it is hidden |
| 20:23:20 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 20:23:22 | Chestal | so I can see who joins, is removed, gets kicked etc. |
| 20:23:30 | MrApathyCream | gotcha |
| 20:23:45 | Chestal | I also like to see what people are talking, so I can check my backlog and see if there has been a problem |
| 20:23:53 | Chestal | don't know if that is intruding people's privacy, though |
| 20:24:26 | Chestal | captain: alive? |
| 20:24:32 | captain_proton | yes |
| 20:24:54 | Chestal | I'd also liek to hear your opinion on the radar issued. I was just discussing them with TIm, but then his client had network issues |
| 20:25:43 | captain_proton | what exactly are the issues now? |
| 20:26:00 | Chestal | well, I wrote a radar patch, don't know if you know it |
| 20:26:06 | Chestal | it's in f5 for example |
| 20:26:23 | captain_proton | yeah i saw it |
| 20:26:28 | Chestal | it contains two new menu items whch let's the user choose whether he wants coloured shots and/or lined shots |
| 20:26:37 | Chestal | TIm does not like to have these options |
| 20:26:56 | Chestal | so it's not in CVS yet |
| 20:27:35 | Chestal | he's all for one size fits all and thinks that the interface gets too crowded |
| 20:28:02 | captain_proton | i think that with the current interface minimizing the 'options' menu is a good thing |
| 20:28:18 | Chestal | yes, I also think it's a little ugly |
| 20:28:31 | Chestal | a radar submenu would be better, but that's a lot of code fr a minor issue |
| 20:28:53 | Chestal | we agreed that 'enhanced radar' could be removed, we can activate this at all times |
| 20:29:04 | Chestal | but what to do about the shots? |
| 20:29:18 | Chestal | of course we could have them as config file options without menu tems |
| 20:29:27 | captain_proton | i think config file is best |
| 20:29:30 | Chestal | we already have a bunch of these, and they're not documented :-| |
| 20:29:47 | captain_proton | because the current menu stuff sucks (even the 1.8 stuff is undesirable for options) |
| 20:29:47 | Chestal | I guess, only 5% of the players know of the quickmessages |
| 20:29:59 | captain_proton | what we need to do is document everything in the config file |
| 20:30:50 | Chestal | the default config file has no traces of quickmessage entries |
| 20:30:55 | captain_proton | true |
| 20:30:56 | Chestal | it's easier with boolean options |
| 20:31:05 | Chestal | I guess bzflag writes these in all cases? |
| 20:31:17 | captain_proton | but if we have some good documentation about how to add them... |
| 20:31:23 | Chestal | quickmessages must be documented anyway |
| 20:31:36 | Chestal | but windows people cannot read the manpage |
| 20:31:42 | captain_proton | no |
| 20:31:50 | captain_proton | thats why we need reasonable documentation on the web site |
| 20:31:55 | captain_proton | perhaps even a windows help file |
| 20:32:06 | Chestal | hmm, ok, but that's not goign to hapen for 1.7e6 release |
| 20:32:20 | Chestal | and I want that finished real soon now :-) |
| 20:35:13 | Chestal | hmm, too bad that Tim is gone |
| 20:39:04 | T-34 | Hello everybody! |
| 21:59:22 | Widget | hihihi, MrApathyCream |
| 21:59:38 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 22:18:44 | arathorn | hi all |
| 22:18:47 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 22:20:39 | arathorn | how going Mr apathy? |