| 00:37:36 | arathorn | hi all armor knights |
| 00:41:21 | MrApathyCream | hits captain_proton with a cold bucket of ice-water |
| 00:41:39 | captain_proton | ? |
| 00:41:55 | MrApathyCream | your hud patch is against 1.8 |
| 00:42:23 | captain_proton | no it isn't! |
| 00:42:35 | captain_proton | the HUD in 1.8 is completely different |
| 00:42:46 | captain_proton | its -impossible- for it to be diffed against 1.8 |
| 00:43:00 | MrApathyCream | from diff file..... |
| 00:43:01 | MrApathyCream | |
| 00:43:02 | vogon_jeltz | hahahah. |
| 00:43:03 | MrApathyCream | Index: src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx |
| 00:43:03 | MrApathyCream | =================================================================== |
| 00:43:03 | MrApathyCream | RCS file: /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzflag/Attic/BackgroundRenderer.cxx,v |
| 00:43:03 | MrApathyCream | retrieving revision 1.8 |
| 00:43:03 | MrApathyCream | diff -u -r1.8 BackgroundRenderer.cxx |
| 00:43:05 | MrApathyCream | --- src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx30 Nov 2001 04:36:55 -00001.8 |
| 00:43:07 | MrApathyCream | +++ src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx15 Apr 2002 16:23:17 -0000 |
| 00:43:09 | MrApathyCream | @@ -437,29 +437,29 @@ |
| 00:43:14 | vogon_jeltz | that's revision 1.8 of the file. |
| 00:43:15 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:43:18 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:43:20 | vogon_jeltz | not the project. |
| 00:43:37 | captain_proton | points at vogon_jeltz and nods |
| 00:43:52 | MrApathyCream | awaits ice water in return |
| 00:44:10 | MrApathyCream | patched yurped on me... i ass-umed |
| 00:44:10 | vogon_jeltz | throws ice water at Apathy. |
| 00:44:47 | captain_proton | carries MrApathyCream outside into the rain |
| 00:45:28 | captain_proton | i hit a load average of 4.5 today |
| 00:46:40 | MrApathyCream | what directory did you do the diff from |
| 00:46:49 | MrApathyCream | outside bzflag, bzflag? |
| 00:46:54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: inside - just did a cvs diff |
| 00:48:11 | MrApathyCream | erg |
| 00:48:11 | MrApathyCream | |
| 00:48:13 | MrApathyCream | patching file `src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx' |
| 00:48:13 | MrApathyCream | Assertion failed: hunk, file patch.c, line 321 |
| 00:48:13 | MrApathyCream | This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. |
| 00:48:13 | MrApathyCream | Please contact the application's support team for more information. |
| 00:48:42 | vogon_jeltz | best OS ever. |
| 00:51:20 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:51:26 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: ever heard a female tenor? |
| 00:52:22 | vogon_jeltz | no. |
| 00:54:06 | vogon_jeltz | no thank you, proton. |
| 00:54:25 | vogon_jeltz | YUOR TAEST IN MUSIC SI NOT COOAL! |
| 00:55:53 | MrApathyCream | diff -u ? |
| 00:55:53 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you might like this |
| 00:55:57 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: its "wussy" |
| 02:36:48 | captain_proton | Widget: you here? |
| 02:45:17 | arathorn | hi all..if any is here |
| 05:57:28 | | rcam was last seen on #bzflag 10 days, 7 hours, 58 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 05:57:28 | captain_proton | ibot, seen rcam |
| 06:29:17 | MrApathyCream | sniff |
| 06:29:32 | captain_proton | needs a comforting hug |
| 06:38:18 | MrApathyCream | =)--(= |
| 06:38:35 | captain_proton | whats that? |
| 06:40:12 | MrApathyCream | hug? |
| 06:40:46 | captain_proton | mm |
| 06:40:57 | captain_proton | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 06:41:02 | captain_proton | i don't have cvs!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:41:10 | MrApathyCream | eh? |
| 06:41:21 | captain_proton | i rebuilt my system |
| 06:41:23 | captain_proton | and i don't have cvs |
| 06:41:33 | MrApathyCream | that happens to me all the time too. |
| 06:41:41 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:41:56 | captain_proton | but how fast does your machine boot up? |
| 06:42:01 | MrApathyCream | very |
| 06:42:09 | MrApathyCream | 1.8G XP |
| 06:42:13 | captain_proton | how many minutes? |
| 06:42:15 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 06:42:17 | MrApathyCream | 20secs |
| 06:42:35 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:42:45 | MrApathyCream | w/cvs |
| 06:43:55 | MrApathyCream | <well, ok, at least that i remember,... been months since last reboot |
| 06:44:32 | captain_proton | well i've got cvs now too |
| 06:44:33 | captain_proton | NYAH! |
| 06:45:11 | MrApathyCream | pulls down the new explosion graphics, and drools |
| 06:45:27 | captain_proton | haw haw |
| 06:45:34 | MrApathyCream | vog? |
| 06:46:32 | MrApathyCream | (the bad-er the joke, the better it is in the retelling!) |
| 06:47:01 | captain_proton | hee |
| 06:47:21 | captain_proton | you really scared him last time |
| 06:47:25 | MrApathyCream | can't wait till tomorrow when he can start playing with the new general polygon buildings |
| 06:47:38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'll put up a new server right-away |
| 06:48:00 | MrApathyCream | cool, they say lags down to under 100ms for even dial-ups, now!! |
| 06:48:08 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:48:16 | MrApathyCream | Oh wait, ......... |
| 06:48:24 | MrApathyCream | vog-> insert joke here: --> |
| 06:48:56 | MrApathyCream | HMM, must be watching SNL reruns |
| 06:52:45 | | I believe he's on a date |
| 06:52:45 | MrApathyCream | ibot seen_vogon_jeltz? |
| 06:52:48 | MrApathyCream | ahh |
| 06:52:53 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz? on a date? |
| 06:53:07 | | and don't you forget it |
| 06:53:07 | MrApathyCream | ibot knows all |
| 06:53:13 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:56:44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:56:48 | captain_proton | dave brubeck is good stuff |
| 06:56:57 | MrApathyCream | bugger all, I dunno |
| 06:57:21 | captain_proton | you've never heard the dave brubeck quartet? |
| 06:58:15 | | dave brubeck is a composer and pianist |
| 06:58:15 | MrApathyCream | ibot dave brubeck? |
| 06:58:23 | | MrApathyCream: what? |
| 06:58:23 | MrApathyCream | damn your good, ibot |
| 06:58:25 | captain_proton | jazz quartet |
| 07:05:16 | | mrapathycream: wish i knew |
| 07:05:16 | MrApathyCream | ibot, karma for captain_proton? |
| 07:05:24 | | bugger all, i dunno, captain_proton |
| 07:05:24 | captain_proton | ibot, karma? |
| 07:05:28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:06:11 | captain_proton | tries to think if theres anything else his system requires |
| 07:06:28 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: buy me these: http://www.circuitcity.com/ewebIMa/detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1559301909.1019977531@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccjadcemlemgegcfngcfkmdffhdffh.0&bookmark=bookmark_0&oid=43622&catoid=-10266 |
| 07:06:54 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 07:07:42 | MrApathyCream | bummer, out of stock |
| 07:07:58 | | MrApathyCream: what? |
| 07:07:58 | MrApathyCream | ibot, hmm |
| 07:08:21 | | captain_proton: sorry... |
| 07:08:21 | captain_proton | ibot: you buy it for me |
| 07:08:27 | captain_proton | :( |
| 07:08:35 | | captain_proton: sorry... |
| 07:08:35 | captain_proton | ibot has been particularly lucid recently |
| 07:08:49 | | captain_proton: what? |
| 07:08:49 | captain_proton | ibot: yeah you ought to be sorry |
| 07:09:01 | MrApathyCream | hmm tell doesn't work? |
| 07:11:02 | captain_proton | apparently |
| 07:11:08 | | captain_proton: sorry... |
| 07:11:08 | captain_proton | ibot needs a dialectizer |
| 07:11:13 | MrApathyCream | ibot, MrApathyCream++ |
| 07:11:19 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 07:11:20 | | mrapathycream has karma of 1 |
| 07:11:20 | captain_proton | ibot, karma MrApathyCream |
| 07:12:15 | MrApathyCream | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 07:12:37 | | captain_proton has karma of 6 |
| 07:12:37 | captain_proton | ibot, karma captain_proton |
| 07:12:39 | captain_proton | w00! |
| 07:13:11 | captain_proton | is a karma mastah |
| 07:15:43 | | MrApathyCream: excuse me? |
| 07:15:43 | MrApathyCream | ibot, tracert 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:15:54 | captain_proton | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:16:13 | captain_proton | ... windows users |
| 07:16:18 | captain_proton | shakes his head |
| 07:16:34 | MrApathyCream | well ibot? |
| 07:16:58 | captain_proton | pokes ibot |
| 07:17:44 | captain_proton | lazy bot |
| 07:18:03 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, ibot is having trouble 'phoning-home' |
| 07:18:12 | | Howdy Bub |
| 07:18:12 | captain_proton | ibot: hello? |
| 07:18:18 | | tracert is the correct cmd name for the incorrectly named traceroute |
| 07:18:18 | MrApathyCream | ibot, tracert? |
| 07:18:31 | captain_proton | he's just gone computer-senile |
| 07:18:41 | MrApathyCream | too much info |
| 07:18:49 | captain_proton | we should start calling him Rameses Nibleck the Third, kerplunk kerpluck wheres my widget |
| 07:18:52 | MrApathyCream | <for one little bot to remember> |
| 07:19:20 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:27 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16? |
| 07:19:34 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:34 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:34 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:35 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:35 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:36 | MrApathyCream | ibot, traceroute 212.47.93.16 |
| 07:19:57 | | no idea, captain_proton |
| 07:19:58 | captain_proton | ibot, traceroute? |
| 07:20:05 | MrApathyCream | <at this point riker is getting lots of unexplainable network traffic> |
| 07:21:56 | | a lonely little bot with too much to remember and not enough spinach to eat. |
| 07:21:56 | MrApathyCream | ibot, ibot? |
| 07:22:13 | MrApathyCream | arg.... he's lost it |
| 07:23:00 | captain_proton | pets ibot |
| 07:24:16 | MrApathyCream | eta 30:00 |
| 07:24:24 | MrApathyCream | the joys of modems |
| 07:24:39 | captain_proton | sighs |
| 07:24:44 | captain_proton | cdrtools can wait until tomorrow |
| 07:25:56 | | tools for improving cat drool retention |
| 07:25:56 | MrApathyCream | ibot, cdrtools? |
| 07:26:34 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:27:19 | MrApathyCream | down to 31:59 |
| 07:27:58 | MrApathyCream | dcc'ing the changed files for hud next? |
| 07:29:58 | captain_proton | they're all in that patch |
| 07:30:15 | MrApathyCream | yup, and patch won't extract them |
| 07:31:01 | MrApathyCream | 26:32 |
| 07:31:26 | MrApathyCream | prepares carton of eggs, for when download wasn't worth it. |
| 07:31:38 | captain_proton | its worth it |
| 07:32:02 | captain_proton | possibly the best jazz song ever written :) |
| 07:34:20 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:34:23 | captain_proton | my cd drive got lost |
| 07:35:11 | MrApathyCream | Jelly Roll Morton? |
| 07:35:35 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 07:35:47 | captain_proton | it seems to have misplaced the device |
| 07:37:38 | | the first great jazz composer, and formed the band Red Hot Peppers |
| 07:37:38 | MrApathyCream | ibot whois JellyRollMorton? |
| 07:39:58 | | no idea, mrapathycream |
| 07:39:58 | MrApathyCream | ibot, east coast day-light savings time? |
| 07:40:23 | MrApathyCream | 16:41 |
| 07:41:31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: 3:45 |
| 07:41:32 | MrApathyCream | cd drive: --> better rebuild kernel |
| 07:41:37 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:42:06 | MrApathyCream | 58% |
| 07:43:39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:43:43 | captain_proton | lets do something 1.8-ish |
| 07:44:42 | MrApathyCream | i plan on playing with download as background music IN bzflag |
| 07:44:55 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 07:45:13 | MrApathyCream | --impled using sdl |
| 07:45:33 | captain_proton | is gonna go read up on openal |
| 07:48:18 | MrApathyCream | 73% |
| 07:48:42 | captain_proton | http://www.openal.org/snapshots/openal/docs/oalspecs-specs/x178.html <-- does this look as funny to you as it does to me? |
| 07:49:39 | MrApathyCream | meaning no example? |
| 07:50:15 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:50:18 | captain_proton | initialization: |
| 07:50:21 | captain_proton | EOF |
| 07:50:34 | MrApathyCream | it's so easy, you don't need to write any code |
| 07:51:01 | captain_proton | must be |
| 07:51:13 | captain_proton | perhaps we just link with the library? |
| 07:51:29 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 07:52:16 | MrApathyCream | 85% |
| 07:52:28 | MrApathyCream | Hey, will I need speakers for this file? |
| 07:53:02 | captain_proton | i wouldn't say NEED |
| 07:53:13 | MrApathyCream | cool, i don't have any |
| 07:53:57 | MrApathyCream | 90% |
| 07:55:51 | MrApathyCream | 95% |
| 07:56:41 | MrApathyCream | as for 1.8.... If you make any changes, keep them locally, I don't think we're supposed to be developing it anymore. |
| 07:57:00 | MrApathyCream | 99% |
| 07:57:14 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: oh |
| 07:57:20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'll make sure not to tell anyone |
| 07:57:26 | MrApathyCream | 101% |
| 07:59:07 | captain_proton | pokes vogon_jeltz |
| 07:59:12 | MrApathyCream | 104% |
| 07:59:25 | | I believe he's on a date |
| 07:59:25 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_vogon_jeltz? |
| 07:59:51 | MrApathyCream | Hey, i don't see anything? what's this file? |
| 07:59:58 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:00:27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i know you've got speakers - why, you were enjoying the background music in 1.8 just the other day |
| 08:00:54 | MrApathyCream | damn, hoisted by my own pitard |
| 08:01:08 | MrApathyCream | never could time the bullets right |
| 08:01:24 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:01:55 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: how did you become so quirky? |
| 08:02:05 | MrApathyCream | many years of practice |
| 08:02:13 | MrApathyCream | When are they gonna start to sing? |
| 08:02:19 | captain_proton | they don't |
| 08:02:24 | MrApathyCream | <i'm 4 minutes in> |
| 08:02:38 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:07:13 | MrApathyCream | Is it me, or is something odd about a song called 'Take Five' that is 10.51 minutes long? |
| 08:07:33 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the meter is 5/8 |
| 08:07:44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: 5 beats per measure is unusual |
| 08:09:17 | MrApathyCream | Damn the record skipped at the end |
| 08:09:38 | MrApathyCream | oh sorry, 'record' is out of context for you, i forgot. |
| 08:10:37 | MrApathyCream | wonders off to bed with a happy tune in his head |
| 08:14:29 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ And that's why me and KG are classically trained / to rock your fuckin' socks off! o/~ |
| 08:14:37 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:14:47 | vogon_jeltz | "Rock Your Socks Off" by Tenacious D. |
| 08:14:51 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 08:15:13 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ That is Bach and it rocks / It's a rock block of Bach / That he learned at the school / called the school of hard knocks o/~ |
| 08:15:39 | captain_proton | trust me |
| 08:15:49 | vogon_jeltz | mebbe later. |
| 08:15:56 | captain_proton | at least get the first part |
| 08:15:59 | vogon_jeltz | put it up on babylonia and I'll get it. |
| 08:16:17 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/sacrifice.mp3 |
| 08:16:25 | captain_proton | BLAM! |
| 08:16:26 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I'll get it tonight. |
| 08:16:42 | captain_proton | and yes - that is really a woman singing in it |
| 08:18:08 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: can you send me that poc ogg player you wrote? |
| 08:18:18 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ Wonderboy-y-y, what is the secret of your power / Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck man? o/~ |
| 08:18:33 | vogon_jeltz | knock yourself out. |
| 08:18:48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:19:03 | captain_proton | my $TERM=xterm isn't showing colors anymore |
| 08:19:11 | captain_proton | at least not in vim |
| 08:19:19 | vogon_jeltz | compile with 'gcc main.c -logg -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -lopenal'. |
| 08:19:44 | captain_proton | that means i have to install ogg, vorbis, and openal |
| 08:19:55 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 08:20:09 | vogon_jeltz | along with the headers. |
| 08:21:53 | captain_proton | installing the libraries includes the headers :) |
| 08:22:04 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ I am a man of constant sorrow / I've seen trouble all my days / I've bid farewell to old Kentucky / The place where I was born and raised o/~ |
| 08:22:11 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: not if you're using RPMs. ;) |
| 08:22:35 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: where would i find an openal implementation? |
| 08:22:41 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.openal.org. |
| 08:22:45 | captain_proton | makes sense |
| 08:23:02 | vogon_jeltz | it's the reference implementation, but it's pretty much the only one out there :-} |
| 08:23:41 | captain_proton | ftp.openal.org is down |
| 08:23:47 | captain_proton | blah |
| 08:24:19 | captain_proton | oh joy |
| 08:24:31 | captain_proton | gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 |
| 08:32:46 | captain_proton | grr |
| 08:32:58 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: are you sending my cc1 SIGSEGVs? |
| 08:35:31 | vogon_jeltz | no. |
| 08:35:56 | captain_proton | frumples |
| 08:36:35 | captain_proton | screw vorbis |
| 08:36:40 | captain_proton | lets include the music as wav files |
| 08:37:17 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha. |
| 08:37:51 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ We are the inventors / of the cosmic astral code / We've come to blow you away / We've come to blow your nose o/~ |
| 08:38:42 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: don't suppose you've got an older version of the libvorbis source lying around? |
| 08:39:28 | vogon_jeltz | nope. |
| 08:39:57 | captain_proton | bastage |
| 08:40:26 | captain_proton | hum |
| 08:40:33 | captain_proton | know any rubber band manufacturers? |
| 08:41:34 | vogon_jeltz | nope. |
| 08:41:41 | vogon_jeltz | oh, wait, Sparco. |
| 08:41:47 | captain_proton | i want a moebius rubber band |
| 08:41:59 | vogon_jeltz | did the TimeCube watches fall through? |
| 08:42:34 | captain_proton | haven't heard from him yet |
| 08:45:12 | captain_proton | submits a bug |
| 08:50:04 | captain_proton | hot DAMN my system is up to date |
| 08:50:34 | captain_proton | i just realized as i submitted that bug report - |
| 08:50:43 | captain_proton | gcc 2.95.3 (20010315), binutils 2.12, and gcc 2.2.5 on an i686 (2.2.18) |
| 08:50:48 | captain_proton | SHA-BLAM! |
| 08:50:55 | captain_proton | erk |
| 08:50:55 | vogon_jeltz | hahahah. |
| 08:50:56 | captain_proton | GROSS |
| 08:50:58 | captain_proton | 2.4.18 |
| 08:51:13 | captain_proton | edits his bug report |
| 08:52:04 | captain_proton | 2.2.18 |
| 08:52:10 | captain_proton | my my that would be a backwards system |
| 10:09:56 | captain_proton | downloaded that song yet? |
| 10:44:34 | Chestal | re |
| 10:50:01 | Chestal | hmmph, I'm too dumb to use diff and patch |
| 10:58:23 | Chestal | help! |
| 12:28:01 | Valoche | hello there |
| 14:01:06 | Valoche | me back |
| 14:01:46 | Chestal | ah, hi |
| 14:01:50 | Valoche | eh |
| 14:02:19 | Valoche | 150 players, wow! |
| 14:02:24 | Chestal | hm, this 100g bar of chocalate was just not enough |
| 14:02:31 | Chestal | yep, lots more than I expected |
| 14:03:01 | Valoche | how many were we thinking of at the begining? 30-40? ;-) |
| 14:03:08 | Chestal | interestingly, the number of teams and the number of players without a team are about the same |
| 14:03:33 | Valoche | yeah, it's maths for the insane |
| 14:03:39 | Chestal | there are soem strange team names with [:.. |
| 14:04:13 | Chestal | and lots of single-player teams, but at least some of those teams will grow |
| 14:04:29 | Chestal | for example, there are two pro teams, they initially wanted to form one big team with 10 players |
| 14:05:22 | Valoche | I saw them... wondering if we allow larger teams |
| 14:05:32 | Valoche | hey! I just noticed the Blastronauts team ;-))))) |
| 14:05:48 | Chestal | yep, finally someone joined Blaster, although I do not know him |
| 14:06:16 | Valoche | I played against Calico a few days ago; he's average |
| 14:06:53 | Chestal | you know that we did some test matches already? |
| 14:07:07 | Valoche | nope; how did it went? |
| 14:07:12 | Valoche | ahem... did it go? |
| 14:07:40 | Valoche | oh shit, I receive porn ads on bzflag@free.fr ;-))) |
| 14:08:20 | Chestal | well, on 2 of 3 matches we had the problem that only 2 peopel for one team showed up |
| 14:08:35 | Valoche | lol ;-) well it's the team's problem I guess |
| 14:08:36 | Chestal | agreeing on a time is difficult and there's always the confusion about timezones |
| 14:09:11 | Valoche | I saw your link to worldwide clocks; I think I'll display the times from around the world on every page |
| 14:09:24 | Chestal | another problem was lag, as always |
| 14:09:52 | Chestal | I added a new feature to bzfs, that allows ad admin to start the countdown for a timed game manually, we really need that |
| 14:10:05 | Chestal | started up a non-public server on a different port for each game |
| 14:10:40 | Valoche | nice |
| 14:11:03 | Chestal | if we do it that way, we need ad admin / referee for each match |
| 14:11:20 | Chestal | ad -> an |
| 14:11:37 | Valoche | well yes, it wouldn't be too difficult to recruit referees |
| 14:11:52 | Chestal | it's more difficult to have people running servers |
| 14:12:08 | Chestal | we need some features that will be in 1.7e6 release |
| 14:12:52 | Chestal | the Zees had a good idea about how to find challenges: My initial idea was that one team challenges another team and that they try to agree on a time |
| 14:12:57 | Chestal | that is difficult, however |
| 14:13:33 | Chestal | Zees suggested to create a calendar on the site where a team could enetr when it wants to play. If another team can play at the same time, it then challenges the first team |
| 14:14:00 | Valoche | well that could work |
| 14:14:26 | Valoche | it's quite easy to implement |
| 14:14:32 | Chestal | if you say so :-) |
| 14:14:47 | Valoche | there's just one little obstacle: the bloody TZ ;-) |
| 14:14:48 | Chestal | official matches should be public, i.e. announced on the website somewhere |
| 14:15:00 | Chestal | so at least a small number of observers might join |
| 14:15:12 | Chestal | yep, Timezone is a problem |
| 14:15:24 | Valoche | what d'you mean official matches? Every league match is by nature official, as soon as someone posts the result |
| 14:15:28 | Chestal | maybe it would be possible if every player entered his own timezome and sees local times only? |
| 14:15:46 | Valoche | player TZ: good idea |
| 14:15:55 | Chestal | yes, league match = official match, but teams might have friendly matches on their own |
| 14:16:15 | Chestal | our test matches were not 'official', just for testign purposes and were not made public |
| 14:16:26 | Valoche | ok I see your point |
| 14:17:10 | Valoche | instead of asking people their timezone, I'll ask for the country &| state |
| 14:18:06 | Chestal | Gerbil wrote me an email, he was concerned about a special kind of cheating: he observed a team that's in the league, whose players rejoined to start from the base and defend their flag that way |
| 14:18:10 | Valoche | and if I work my ass out, we can have a world map with different colors depending on the number of players/country |
| 14:18:20 | Chestal | that would be cool |
| 14:18:52 | Chestal | so I guess a referee for a match is a must |
| 14:19:09 | Valoche | I agree |
| 14:19:37 | Chestal | I don't expect regular cheating, but someone must coordinate the match anyway |
| 14:20:14 | Valoche | yep. Tell me more about the ranking system, cap's code misses some comments with the algorithm explained |
| 14:20:32 | Chestal | it's quite simple, it's derived from the chess system (ELO I think) |
| 14:20:40 | Valoche | ELO: correct |
| 14:21:15 | Chestal | the curernt version uses onyl three outcomes of a match: A wins, draw, B wins, not taking the actual score into regard |
| 14:21:32 | Chestal | each team starts with a rankign of 1200 |
| 14:22:05 | Chestal | let's say team A wins |
| 14:22:20 | Chestal | that the rating for A and B is recalculated |
| 14:22:44 | Chestal | if both had the same rating before the match, A gets +x and B -x |
| 14:23:06 | Chestal | hmm, in fact the +x and -x is always the case |
| 14:23:23 | Chestal | x will be higher if the winning team had a lower relative rating |
| 14:23:37 | Chestal | if A had a much higher rating, x will be very small |
| 14:24:18 | Chestal | I think a ratign diff of 400 points means about a 90% win probability |
| 14:25:12 | Chestal | also, if there's a draw, the higher-rated team will lose rating and the lower-rated team will gain |
| 14:25:55 | Chestal | storign just the ratign would be enough, but I think we shoudl also store the number of macthes for each team and probably each individual result, too |
| 14:26:23 | Valoche | okay, so there's a little bug: when two teams with same rating have a draw -> +1 -1 instead of +0 -0 |
| 14:26:44 | Chestal | oh, really? I haven't checked proton's code |
| 14:26:51 | Valoche | er... what is pow(10.0, 0.0) ??? |
| 14:26:54 | Chestal | I think my original C++ simulation code handled that correctly |
| 14:27:00 | Chestal | 10^0=1 |
| 14:27:06 | Valoche | oopsa ;-))))) |
| 14:27:15 | Valoche | okay, it works ;-) |
| 14:27:26 | Chestal | it's kinda fiddly to get the rounding correct |
| 14:27:41 | | Valoche: i'm not following you... |
| 14:27:41 | Valoche | ibot, xlate e f fiddly |
| 14:27:55 | Chestal | ibot, x en fr fiddly |
| 14:27:58 | | Chestal: fiddly |
| 14:28:03 | | Chestal: pas de quoi |
| 14:28:03 | Chestal | ibot: thanks :-) |
| 14:28:24 | Valoche | lol ;) |
| 14:28:38 | Valoche | fiddly: easy or hard ? |
| 14:28:52 | Chestal | it means that it's hard to get the details right |
| 14:28:55 | Valoche | okay |
| 14:29:00 | Chestal | you'll have to fiddle with it a lot :-) |
| 14:29:16 | Valoche | ibot, x en fr fiddle |
| 14:29:19 | | Valoche: violon |
| 14:29:23 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:29:26 | Valoche | that's a violin ;-) |
| 14:29:40 | Valoche | okay, I suppose it's related to fingers dexterity ;-) |
| 14:30:00 | Chestal | there's one thign about a rating system liek this which is a little strange |
| 14:30:14 | Chestal | if you take a number of matches, the resultign ratign will depend on the order of the macthes |
| 14:30:31 | Valoche | of course, it's not strange to me |
| 14:30:59 | Chestal | I think for chess all matches in a single tournament are summarized and the new ratign is calculated atomically |
| 14:31:07 | Valoche | ah... |
| 14:31:13 | Chestal | but I think it's not so important |
| 14:31:57 | Chestal | shoudl we inflict any restrictions on who can challenge who? |
| 14:32:20 | Valoche | well no, but we should add some way to deny a challenge request |
| 14:33:11 | Valoche | or maybe we can add, when a team asks for a challenge in the calendar, a minimum rating required to allow the fight |
| 14:33:22 | Chestal | hm, maybe |
| 14:33:34 | Chestal | I think that can also be added later, if peopel request it |
| 14:33:43 | Valoche | yep, it's not urgent |
| 14:34:56 | Chestal | btw., I posted a radar patch to sf this morning |
| 14:35:02 | Valoche | let me check... |
| 14:35:12 | Chestal | I'm searchign for people who would like to check it out |
| 14:35:45 | Chestal | me and lupinator are quite satisfied with it, I do not leike the current e5 radar, but I tried to keep the good thigns in for peopel which like it |
| 14:35:54 | Chestal | it probably needs soem testign on jumping servers |
| 14:36:06 | Valoche | hm... I don't like the shots altitude being seen on radar |
| 14:36:38 | Valoche | it removes the funny tactic that is jump and shoot, and see other tank jumping toward your bullets |
| 14:37:14 | Valoche | but I like all the other stuff |
| 14:37:57 | Chestal | yes, I thought about the thing with the shots, too. But I think it's just fair that the radar indicates shot z position if it can do so for all other objects |
| 14:38:09 | Chestal | it's hard to see anyway for a small z difference |
| 14:38:21 | Chestal | but when you are several levels above the other people, the shots will be very dark |
| 14:38:56 | Valoche | maybe you could just start blending the shots when the Z delta > max jump height ? |
| 14:40:24 | Chestal | hmm, maybe, I used the blending function which was there already, it can do some things like these I guess |
| 14:40:36 | Chestal | I did a test post to the forum |
| 14:41:29 | Valoche | nice, but... you're not supposed to reply to a "Forum opened" topic ;-))) |
| 14:41:56 | Chestal | hmmph :-| |
| 14:42:01 | Valoche | ;] |
| 14:42:19 | Valoche | that's funny, it 7:43am at bzflag.org |
| 14:42:36 | Riseman | hello all |
| 14:42:40 | Chestal | would be nice if those times were translated to local time, too |
| 14:42:43 | Chestal | hi Riseman |
| 14:42:57 | Chestal | where's my bz todo list? |
| 14:43:12 | Riseman | Chestal: http://bzflag.detranquis.com/wbzfquery.html i implement your idea :) |
| 14:44:47 | Chestal | takes a look at it |
| 14:45:16 | Valoche | that's one cool page :] |
| 14:45:44 | Riseman | Valoche: thanks :)) |
| 14:45:50 | Chestal | yep, I like it |
| 14:46:05 | Valoche | the RAT team won't be hard to beat ;-))))) |
| 14:46:24 | Chestal | one suggestion: would be great if you could list the number of players on the server list, I think that information is available withotu joining the server, could also sort by the number o fplayers |
| 14:46:40 | Chestal | Frogs vs. Rats :-) |
| 14:46:50 | Chestal | of course, the Moles cannot be beaten by the other animals |
| 14:47:23 | Chestal | hmm, is BiD == BiD ? |
| 14:48:01 | Valoche | yep, because the moles hide in the ground because of their couardness! ;) |
| 14:48:17 | Valoche | and they eat worms... |
| 14:48:24 | Chestal | that's not cowardness, it's called tactics :-) |
| 14:48:29 | Riseman | Chestal: the idea is great, but i thinks slowly, for this i have connect with all servers... umm :))) |
| 14:48:37 | Chestal | Riseman: no, I don'tthink so |
| 14:48:48 | Chestal | Riseman: this information shoudl be in the lsit server |
| 14:48:54 | Chestal | bzflag client does it, too |
| 14:49:07 | Riseman | ummm in the sever list? |
| 14:49:25 | Riseman | i only parse this lines: http://166.70.15.250:5156/ |
| 14:49:41 | Chestal | when I do 'Find server' I get a list sorted by number of active players |
| 14:49:50 | Chestal | and I can see the number of players for each server when I highlight it |
| 14:49:59 | Chestal | is this 00cb00040003000000000000000000000028002800280028002800010096000000000000 |
| 14:50:03 | Chestal | documented somewhere? |
| 14:50:09 | Riseman | ajam! |
| 14:50:12 | Riseman | ymmm |
| 14:50:42 | Chestal | this shoudl contain the server's seeting and number of players,not the players themselves, of course |
| 14:50:50 | Riseman | but... this line ummm, whereis the players number and rest? |
| 14:51:03 | Chestal | hold on, I'l see if I can find somehting |
| 14:51:21 | Riseman | amm, is explained in any documentation? |
| 14:51:23 | Valoche | what the hell?: http://bzflag.detranquis.com/cgi-bin/wbzfquery/wbzfquery.pl?server=ducati.bzflag.org&port=5156 |
| 14:51:46 | Valoche | it says that [RAT]blackhound is a member of The Fabulous Frogs |
| 14:52:02 | Riseman | uops |
| 14:52:03 | Riseman | ummm |
| 14:52:07 | Riseman | shit, a bug x))) |
| 14:52:18 | Riseman | ummm i thinkg that found... ummmmm |
| 14:52:26 | Riseman | i see later, sorry :) |
| 14:52:29 | Chestal | Rats and Frogs, where's the differnce, It's all vermin :-) |
| 14:52:31 | Valoche | ok ;) |
| 14:52:45 | Valoche | lol, just post insults like that in the forums, you worm-eater |
| 14:52:53 | Valoche | (I posted one already >-) |
| 14:53:19 | Chestal | Gerbil insulted our team 5 or 6 times in private messages |
| 14:53:33 | Riseman | go to go, see later all :) |
| 14:53:40 | Valoche | bye Riseman |
| 14:54:32 | Valoche | yeah, he also sent me a message: "Just a friendly note to let you know you are dead sucker." ;-))))) |
| 14:56:23 | Chestal | ohm, where's Rise, I'm tryign to decode that string |
| 14:59:13 | Valoche | I was wondering...... |
| 14:59:59 | Valoche | aren't moles some sort of degenerated kind of rodent? ;-) |
| 15:01:04 | Chestal | Moles are at the very top of evolution |
| 15:01:10 | Chestal | ok, they have some faults, they are nearly blind |
| 15:01:22 | Valoche | nearly? blind? mwuhaaahaaaa |
| 15:01:45 | Valoche | with their palm fingers and trumped nose ;-) |
| 15:01:50 | Valoche | ack! trumpet |
| 15:01:52 | Chestal | uh, Riseman looks dangerous |
| 15:02:37 | Valoche | yep, he's got a very large saber |
| 15:03:25 | Valoche | translation from altavista: |
| 15:03:40 | Chestal | I bzmessaged him |
| 15:04:22 | Valoche | when you see a fleeting star guardala (?) in your heart, it is the soul of which was able to give the his its love. When you hear a boy ask why the syn comes and goes away: because in this life there is no light without the dark. |
| 15:04:48 | Chestal | hmm :-) |
| 15:04:53 | Valoche | you could also bzforum his team in the "How rude" ;) |
| 15:05:52 | Chestal | well, it was about decoding that string from the lsit server |
| 15:06:20 | Valoche | ah ok ;) |
| 15:06:26 | Chestal | *gasp*, I just looked at the rude forum |
| 15:06:33 | Valoche | lol |
| 15:11:16 | Valoche | jolly! :-) |
| 15:11:25 | jolly | hey Val |
| 15:11:33 | Chestal | hi jolly! |
| 15:11:41 | Valoche | haven't seen you for ages! |
| 15:11:43 | jolly | hey Ches |
| 15:11:54 | jolly | yes its been a long time |
| 15:12:27 | jolly | how was africa? |
| 15:12:34 | Valoche | it was just great :-) |
| 15:12:44 | jolly | what countries did you go to? |
| 15:12:55 | Valoche | I only went to Sénégal |
| 15:13:23 | Valoche | sun, beach, heat, etc... it was really cool :-) |
| 15:13:33 | jolly | sounds nice :) |
| 15:13:47 | Chestal | a frog on the beach... |
| 15:14:01 | jolly | oh Ches: were you Callsign? |
| 15:14:25 | Chestal | eh,no |
| 15:14:55 | Chestal | haven't played today |
| 15:15:25 | jolly | a good german was just playing |
| 15:16:38 | Valoche | Chestal: I read your answer, you are dead meat ;-) |
| 15:16:40 | Chestal | as 'Callsign'? |
| 15:16:48 | jolly | yeah |
| 15:16:56 | Valoche | http://bzflag.free.fr/senegal.jpg |
| 15:17:01 | Chestal | Valoche: btw., do you know this cute little mole I used as my logo? |
| 15:17:24 | Valoche | nope |
| 15:17:41 | Valoche | is it a famous mole ? (I dought so) |
| 15:18:23 | Valoche | moles are uiuiuinfamous by nature ;-)))) |
| 15:18:43 | Chestal | jolly: are you sure he was German? |
| 15:18:55 | Chestal | quite famous in .cz |
| 15:19:19 | Chestal | this mole was the star of an animated series which I saw as part of 'Sendung mit der Maus' |
| 15:19:20 | jolly | not positive but all he said was jeje |
| 15:19:51 | Valoche | ibot, x de fr Sendung mit der Maus |
| 15:19:54 | | Valoche: Envoi avec la souris |
| 15:20:03 | Chestal | jolly: I have no idea |
| 15:20:04 | Valoche | ;) |
| 15:20:19 | Chestal | ibot, x fr de Envoi avec la souris |
| 15:20:22 | | Chestal: Sendung mit der Maus |
| 15:20:27 | Chestal | wow |
| 15:20:32 | Valoche | what did you expect, you fool? ;-)))) |
| 15:20:41 | Valoche | ibot, x fr en Envoi avec la souris |
| 15:20:44 | | Valoche: Sending with the mouse |
| 15:20:44 | Chestal | heh, try this with a real sentence :-) |
| 15:20:51 | Chestal | hmm |
| 15:21:07 | Chestal | ibot, x de fr Ich habe Hunger auf Kuchen. |
| 15:21:10 | | Chestal: J'ai la faim sur des gâteaux. |
| 15:21:16 | Chestal | ibot, x fr de J'ai la faim sur des gâteaux. |
| 15:21:19 | | Chestal: Ich habe den Hunger auf Kuchen. |
| 15:21:23 | Chestal | naja |
| 15:21:29 | Valoche | ibot, x fr de J'ai faim de gateaux |
| 15:21:32 | | Valoche: Ich habe Kuchenhunger |
| 15:21:44 | Valoche | hm... you're sure you are german? ;-) |
| 15:21:45 | Chestal | hmm, interesting |
| 15:22:20 | Chestal | I'm German, and I'm European :-) |
| 15:22:25 | Valoche | http://bzflag.free.fr/senegal.jpg |
| 15:22:28 | Valoche | d'oh, sorry |
| 15:22:33 | Valoche | Les taupes sont des animaux vraiment répugnants. |
| 15:23:04 | Chestal | ibot, x fr de Les taupes sont des animaux vraiment répugnants. |
| 15:23:08 | | Chestal: Die Maulwürfe sind Tiere wirklich r |
| 15:23:16 | Chestal | ehm |
| 15:23:19 | Valoche | ibot, x fr en Les taupes sont des animaux vraiment répugnants. |
| 15:23:22 | | Valoche: The moles are animals really R |
| 15:23:29 | Valoche | R? reluctant, stupid robot! |
| 15:23:41 | Chestal | sems to have problems with the 'e |
| 15:23:44 | Valoche | yep |
| 15:24:19 | Valoche | Die Molen sind die Tiere, die wirklich widerstrebend fühlen. |
| 15:25:19 | Chestal | hmm |
| 15:26:03 | Valoche | okay, enough childness for today |
| 15:26:28 | Valoche | I have to go, I'll try to implement some of the stuff we discussed. |
| 15:27:30 | Chestal | ok, great |
| 15:27:30 | Valoche | cya later |
| 15:27:33 | Chestal | cu |
| 15:28:11 | jolly | i haven't played bz in so long that i can't stop myself from playing now! |
| 15:28:24 | Chestal | hehe |
| 15:28:32 | jolly | i'm so pathetic! |
| 15:28:38 | Chestal | hmm, no more chocolate to eat :-( |
| 15:29:12 | Chestal | hmm, genocide kills dead people, too? |
| 15:29:38 | jolly | hmm |
| 15:30:23 | Chestal | someone said that, I don't think this is so |
| 15:30:35 | jolly | i should read the faq but what is the difference between logging in and registering? |
| 15:30:43 | Chestal | you regsiter once |
| 15:30:51 | Chestal | then you login with the name and password you registered |
| 15:31:04 | Chestal | when logged in, you'll be able to read your personal messages etc. |
| 15:31:21 | jolly | ahhh, thx |
| 15:31:33 | Chestal | ok, I'll try to debug this CLIENTQUERY strangeness |
| 15:32:08 | jolly | when was the last time you saw Capn? |
| 15:33:30 | jolly | gotta run, c-ya |
| 15:33:32 | Chestal | hmm, good question |
| 15:33:36 | Chestal | oopsa |
| 15:38:07 | Chestal | hmm, interesting |
| 16:39:49 | Chestal | anyone alive? |
| 17:22:33 | Chestal | uah, the new kill messages are evil |
| 19:20:03 | Chestal | hi jolly, quiet here today |
| 19:22:07 | jolly | yeah, seems like it |
| 19:22:41 | jolly | sorry i had to leave so fast |
| 19:23:12 | jolly | when did you say was the last time you saw Cap? |
| 19:23:18 | Chestal | hmm, I'm tryign to make up my mind whether to go to the cinema or not |
| 19:23:26 | Chestal | I'm not sure, it's been a few days |
| 19:24:45 | jolly | are there still movies left you haven't seen? ;) |
| 19:25:08 | Chestal | lots of |
| 19:25:16 | Chestal | in fact I didn't go to the cinema very often this year |
| 19:25:28 | Chestal | did you by chance see Bridget Jones? |
| 19:25:51 | jolly | no i haven't |
| 19:27:05 | jolly | ever heard of the player TJ? |
| 19:27:18 | Chestal | don't think so |
| 19:27:25 | jolly | keeps killing teammates |
| 19:27:47 | jolly | pain in the ass |
| 19:28:20 | Chestal | you still have my password? (although works on bhaskara ctf and I guess m0nkey's server)? |
| 19:28:39 | jolly | yep |
| 19:28:52 | jolly | i threatened to kick him |
| 19:28:54 | Chestal | the commands have changed a little |
| 19:29:02 | jolly | but he decided to leave first |
| 19:29:06 | jolly | oh? |
| 19:29:15 | Chestal | use /password <password> |
| 19:29:20 | Chestal | after that just /kick TJ |
| 19:29:32 | Chestal | or (on my server) /ban TJ (will ban his IP for 15 minutes) |
| 19:29:54 | jolly | hmm |
| 19:30:04 | jolly | two steps? |
| 19:30:08 | Chestal | I used quickmessages, have /password ... on alt-f4 now :-) |
| 19:30:34 | Chestal | yes, but you only need to supply the password once, after that you can use all admin comamnds as long as you do not leave the server |
| 19:31:53 | jolly | one day i'm going to have to test that on somebody |
| 19:32:51 | Chestal | test it on yourself :-) |
| 19:33:03 | Chestal | hmm, I guess no cinema today |
| 19:36:31 | jolly | ahh, works ;) |
| 19:39:14 | Chestal | hmm, I should get something to eat, but I'm too lazy |
| 19:39:37 | jolly | get any work done today? |
| 19:39:51 | Chestal | depends on how you define 'work' |
| 19:40:16 | jolly | lol |
| 19:40:17 | Chestal | I did a little coding + bugfixing on bz |
| 19:40:28 | Chestal | thats about it |
| 19:41:16 | jolly | i've been a bit lazy too |
| 19:41:24 | Chestal | well, it's Sunday |
| 19:41:28 | Chestal | most people are lazy |
| 19:41:39 | Chestal | or having fun |
| 19:41:59 | jolly | i did some *work* but today is such a depressing day |
| 19:42:08 | jolly | its been raining allllll day |
| 19:42:19 | Chestal | here, too |
| 19:43:01 | jolly | ugh, i have to go again |
| 19:43:19 | Chestal | ok, cu |
| 19:43:28 | jolly | c-ya later (thx for telling me about the new way to boot) |
| 22:18:27 | Chestal | It's dead, Jim. |
