| 00:00:58 | Chestal | hmm, maybe I should set my alarm clock to 4:00 tomorrow night :-) |
| 00:01:18 | MrApathyCream | or, inject a robot who's sole job it is is to kill the pausey when he unpauses... once done, quits |
| 00:01:31 | Chestal | captian: can I still bet on the loops? :-) |
| 00:01:55 | Chestal | I'd like to have lots of evil bots |
| 00:02:19 | Chestal | but getting scriptable bots is a lot of work |
| 00:07:19 | MrApathyCream | chestal, aren't the birds up yet? |
| 00:07:29 | MrApathyCream | <usually my clue to go to bed.> |
| 00:07:48 | Chestal | ehm, no, only 2:11 here |
| 00:07:58 | captain_proton | Chestal: feel free to bet on the loops |
| 00:08:03 | Chestal | I wouldn't hear them down here in teh cellar anyway |
| 00:08:07 | captain_proton | Chestal: do i get the money when we win? |
| 00:08:33 | Chestal | captain: yes, but you'll have to fetch it here yourself |
| 00:08:44 | BZFlag | money from what? |
| 00:08:53 | captain_proton | BZFlag: meq is playing the loops tomorrow |
| 00:08:56 | Chestal | but maybe the legendary loops just suck as a team :-) |
| 00:09:04 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: What's your plan for e6.... have a time frame in mind, a feature set... ?? |
| 00:09:05 | BZFlag | ah |
| 00:09:14 | captain_proton | BZFlag: and Chestal wants to bet on the loops |
| 00:09:23 | BZFlag | well, I'd like to stop e4 clients from crashing on e5 servers. ;-) |
| 00:10:05 | MrApathyCream | when/why do they crash, do we know? |
| 00:10:28 | BZFlag | I suspect that it's a playerid patching issue. |
| 00:10:44 | MrApathyCream | how frequent? |
| 00:10:54 | BZFlag | e5 clients know their real id. earlier clients do not. |
| 00:11:21 | BZFlag | an e2 (for example) client should get the real ids for everyone but itself. |
| 00:11:31 | BZFlag | but it looks like in some cases it is not. |
| 00:11:54 | BZFlag | I get test msgs from unknown and so forth. that should not happen. |
| 00:13:06 | BZFlag | the server should have patched in the real ids before sending them to the e2 client. so the e2 client knows the same id that the e5 client knows. the only thing I can think of is that the server is patching back the old (now invalid) id for some bizarre reason. |
| 00:13:50 | Chestal | hmm, only some message types? |
| 00:13:57 | BZFlag | I should take an e2 client and patch the UNKNOWN text to include the actual id and see what is causing the issue. |
| 00:14:32 | BZFlag | Chestal: well, I see it on text msgs, most others cause a seg fault. |
| 00:14:52 | captain_proton | combines /countdown and /gamereset into one command |
| 00:15:02 | Chestal | mm, I haven't done much testing with e5 server yet |
| 00:15:15 | Chestal | I'd liek to figure otu that straneg CLIENTQUERY stuff |
| 00:15:21 | BZFlag | agreed |
| 00:15:34 | Chestal | proton: hmm, eh, gamerset? |
| 00:15:53 | Chestal | proton: isn't that the same command under another name? |
| 00:16:26 | MrApathyCream | CLIENTQUERY strangeness? |
| 00:16:44 | captain_proton | Chestal: not quite |
| 00:16:44 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: some replies seem to get lost sometimes. |
| 00:16:57 | MrApathyCream | ahh yes, from some playes. fx? |
| 00:17:16 | captain_proton | Chestal: it didn't seem to work right |
| 00:17:20 | Chestal | Cream: I saw missing replies from clients which turned out to be e4 later |
| 00:17:21 | BZFlag | perhaps. the exact symptom is not known (at least not by me) |
| 00:17:26 | captain_proton | i did /countdown and it started the counter |
| 00:17:30 | captain_proton | but it didn't do the captures |
| 00:17:52 | Chestal | it seemed to be related to lag, the higher the lag, the higher the probability of a massing reply, but that's just my impression |
| 00:18:25 | Chestal | proton: ehm, it should reset team score and capture-kill any players that already drove around |
| 00:18:49 | captain_proton | hum |
| 00:19:11 | Chestal | proton: Im just confused. You already had /gamereset in your source? that's what it's calle don ducati rght now, I changed the name when I submitted the patch |
| 00:20:21 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 00:21:37 | MrApathyCream | speaking of patches... a survey of ones still posted would be: world cache, dead reckoning on ShotBegin, improved hud, client side throttling, /lagwarn cmd, observers, countdown, lagwarn cmd, flagentryzones.... |
| 00:21:45 | MrApathyCream | any going in, or these staying out? |
| 00:22:51 | BZFlag | I'd like "client side throttling", /lagwarn, observers (as a new "team"). |
| 00:22:54 | Chestal | you ha dlagwarn twice :-), and of course all of my patches are going in as soon as Tim found the time to aprreciate them :-) |
| 00:23:02 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:23:33 | Chestal | I never tried the deackreckonshot stuff, could be useful, though |
| 00:23:46 | BZFlag | flagzone is headed into 1.8 so it's not as critical. deadrec on shot begin might be nice. |
| 00:24:17 | MrApathyCream | world cache? |
| 00:24:22 | BZFlag | shotbegin is udp as well as playerupdate, so it's probably ok. |
| 00:24:24 | captain_proton | HUD? ;) |
| 00:24:29 | Chestal | Cream: do you just use position and heading? |
| 00:24:37 | MrApathyCream | not my patch, dunno |
| 00:24:45 | Chestal | ah, I though tit was yours |
| 00:24:48 | BZFlag | world cache perhaps. not sure on that one. need a consistant client directory to place things. |
| 00:25:08 | BZFlag | I would like to get hud in. yes. |
| 00:25:09 | MrApathyCream | yes, multiplatform directory code needed |
| 00:25:17 | captain_proton | w00t~! |
| 00:25:19 | Chestal | hasn't seen the new hud yet |
| 00:25:29 | Chestal | what does it do? |
| 00:25:37 | captain_proton | makes it pretty |
| 00:25:46 | Chestal | that's subjective :-) |
| 00:25:47 | MrApathyCream | in his humble opinion |
| 00:25:50 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 00:25:52 | BZFlag | probably need ~/.bzflag/{config,cache} |
| 00:26:14 | BZFlag | well makes 1.7 look more like 1.8 will look. |
| 00:26:26 | Chestal | ah, btw., there are two bug fixes for CTF flags which shoudl go in. These are workarounds, but shoul dbe better than nothing |
| 00:26:41 | Chestal | hmm, does it make the view bigger? |
| 00:26:44 | BZFlag | Chestal: which? |
| 00:26:45 | captain_proton | Chestal: yes |
| 00:26:48 | Chestal | captain_proton: uuuh |
| 00:27:02 | Chestal | then I'm skeptical abou tit, I'd have to try it. Maybe we woudl need to make that optional |
| 00:27:14 | captain_proton | patches to the patch welcome ;-) |
| 00:27:21 | Chestal | BZFlag: two bugs, CTF returns to base stuff |
| 00:27:33 | Chestal | tht reminds me, I need to work on the radar |
| 00:27:39 | BZFlag | Chestal: I've tried the new hud on sw rendering systems. not much of an impact on rendering times I'm pleased to report. |
| 00:27:41 | Chestal | several peopel want e3 radar back |
| 00:27:48 | Chestal | other liek the new one, so make it optional |
| 00:27:52 | MrApathyCream | chestal being one... :) |
| 00:28:02 | Chestal | we need much more options |
| 00:28:05 | BZFlag | Chestal: why do people want e3 back? just cause the diamonds bug em? |
| 00:28:17 | Chestal | BZFlag: because it looks better on low resolutions |
| 00:28:21 | MrApathyCream | chestal doesn't jump or do flags... |
| 00:28:22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:28:25 | Chestal | the curent radar has several problems |
| 00:28:30 | BZFlag | Chestal: what? |
| 00:28:47 | BZFlag | I want to remove the radar options and get everyone happy on one. |
| 00:28:49 | Chestal | BZFlag: flag/tank scaling is silly the way it is now |
| 00:29:00 | BZFlag | the options just make for spagetti code in many places. |
| 00:29:08 | Chestal | tanks are too small on zoom 3, and flags are too big on zoom 1 |
| 00:29:13 | Chestal | (and to small on zoom 3) |
| 00:29:27 | Chestal | e3 radar had fixed pixel sizes for flags and tanks |
| 00:29:44 | Chestal | 1.8 curently uses a mix between e3 and e5 radar |
| 00:29:47 | Chestal | (I did that :-) |
| 00:29:55 | Chestal | still, e3 does look a little better here |
| 00:29:56 | BZFlag | Chestal: ok, so make a proposal to fix it. do not move back to earlier display as that adds back the silly height issues. |
| 00:30:19 | Chestal | BZFlag: but we need options, I like shots as dots and non-coloured |
| 00:30:34 | Chestal | there are dispalys where shots as dots are hard to see |
| 00:30:43 | BZFlag | I disagree. what's wrong with shots as lines and colored? |
| 00:30:44 | Chestal | and there are display where the lines for shots are just too big |
| 00:30:44 | MrApathyCream | (palm) |
| 00:31:04 | Chestal | it mainly is a matter of resolution |
| 00:31:17 | BZFlag | Chestal: ok, so fix the shots as lines so they are not as big on those systems. |
| 00:31:24 | Chestal | I know at least two regular players who patches the odl radar into e4 |
| 00:31:46 | MrApathyCream | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:31:49 | BZFlag | instead of helping to improve the current. that's to bad. |
| 00:31:51 | Chestal | more woudl do if they could |
| 00:31:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: and that = several people ? |
| 00:32:17 | Chestal | captain_proton: most peopel are not usign the source or a familiar with it, so they just live with what they get delivered |
| 00:32:49 | BZFlag | Chestal: am I getting through to you? we need to define and fix the issues with the current radar. |
| 00:33:03 | Chestal | BZFlag: I see no way without using options |
| 00:33:11 | Chestal | (that is one way woudl be to go back to e3 radar :-) |
| 00:33:13 | BZFlag | I expect to remove any radar options as soon as we get to something everyone is happy with. |
| 00:33:30 | Chestal | and I don't see that we can get a radar that works for everyone |
| 00:33:36 | BZFlag | Chestal: define "exactly" the issues with the current radar. |
| 00:33:42 | BZFlag | and then fix them. |
| 00:34:04 | Chestal | BZFlag: if I did that I woudl end at e3 radar, both for my office and hoem system |
| 00:34:13 | BZFlag | if lines are too long on high res, fine. shrink them more as resolution increases. |
| 00:34:26 | Chestal | I see that the enhanced rdar with bleding is useful for jumping worlds, this doesn't bug me |
| 00:34:37 | Chestal | no, lines are bad for lowe-res |
| 00:34:48 | Chestal | for a low-res radar pixels are fine |
| 00:35:18 | BZFlag | Chestal: and have the tanks completely block the display on high tanks? and have no way of determining what elevation buildings are at? and flags are etc? |
| 00:35:45 | Chestal | BZFlag: I do not play on jumping worlds. Blending buildigns and flags are ok, these do not bother me |
| 00:35:53 | Chestal | the curent wa of drawing tanks looks ugly IMHO |
| 00:36:02 | BZFlag | Chestal: fine. so fix "lines" on low res to me close to a "dot". sounds like a step forward, not a step back. |
| 00:36:15 | Chestal | e3 uses 3x3 pixel (or some other size) for tanks, which lokks just great |
| 00:36:17 | crs23 | can we put a point and a line for shots? |
| 00:36:34 | Chestal | curent radar scales tanks |
| 00:36:36 | BZFlag | crs23: a point and a line? |
| 00:36:53 | captain_proton | Chestal: its only a fixed size w/o jumping |
| 00:37:00 | BZFlag | eold radar scales tanks enormously. |
| 00:37:05 | crs23 | OpenGL draws nothing if a line is shorter than a pixel. by drawing a point you'll always see something. |
| 00:37:16 | Chestal | 1.8 is doign a little better here, becuse it also scales tanks, but it used a realistic size - which would maek them very tiny on zoom 3, so I added a minimum pixel size |
| 00:37:17 | BZFlag | captain_proton: he means on res changes. |
| 00:37:38 | BZFlag | crs23: ahh. good point. that might be a good idea. |
| 00:37:55 | Chestal | proton: yes, the big fille drects for jumping tnaks in e3 is silly |
| 00:38:29 | Chestal | but the solid rectagnle is better than in the new radar |
| 00:38:36 | captain_proton | how so? |
| 00:38:39 | BZFlag | Chestal: minimu pixel sizes for shots/tanks/flags is probably a good idea. |
| 00:38:41 | captain_proton | it blocks out everything |
| 00:38:51 | BZFlag | might be a different minimum on smoothed displays. |
| 00:38:57 | Chestal | BZFlag: and flags should be much smaller (but have miniumm pixe size) |
| 00:39:05 | Chestal | if you scale things they should have real sizes |
| 00:39:13 | captain_proton | not if it makes it hard to see |
| 00:39:29 | BZFlag | ok, sounds good. give the flags a smaller size with a min pixel size. |
| 00:39:40 | Chestal | proton: I already agreed that drawing big filled rectangles liek in e3 for jumping tanks is silly |
| 00:39:54 | Chestal | proton: but the code drawing the tank on groudn was better |
| 00:40:02 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:40:10 | Chestal | I hguess I'll try to combine something. |
| 00:40:19 | Chestal | I did for 1.8, but I am not quite satisfied with it |
| 00:40:40 | Chestal | tanks are changing shape with the new radar |
| 00:40:57 | Chestal | with e3 they have definite sizes in pixels, they look better, more accruate |
| 00:41:05 | Chestal | migh tnot be an issue if you play at 1600x1200 |
| 00:41:46 | Chestal | and the colured shots are just harder to see for me |
| 00:42:32 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 00:42:32 | captain_proton | ibot: wb |
| 00:43:26 | BZFlag | Chestal: the fixed pixel tanks look very teeny at 1600x1200 |
| 00:43:50 | Chestal | BZFlag: this could be fixed by makign them sale+min pixel size I guess |
| 00:43:55 | BZFlag | and the old fixed pixel flags were very teeny. |
| 00:44:06 | Chestal | no, they were in fact too big |
| 00:44:14 | Chestal | on 800x600 they were way too big on zoom 3 |
| 00:44:20 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes, that's exactly the type of fix I'd like to see, |
| 00:44:23 | Chestal | now they are too small on that zoom, but too big on zoom 1 |
| 00:44:23 | captain_proton | starts listening to one of the best songs ever written |
| 00:44:57 | Chestal | BZFlag: it's just that it's no so easy. I tied with 1.8, but didn#t succeed, the pixels were not drawn exactly as I liked |
| 00:45:00 | BZFlag | flags... yeah, the old old. had them too big, there was a middle version that had them too small. etc. |
| 00:45:07 | Chestal | e3 has some strange pixelsize calculation in there |
| 00:45:49 | Chestal | I don't understand it, bu tit works nice |
| 00:49:36 | Chestal | it's getting late here, cu tomorrow |
| 00:49:43 | BZFlag | k |
| 01:21:34 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:46:31 | captain_proton | herro blaboo |
| 01:51:04 | blaboo | yo |
| 01:52:14 | captain_proton | just integrated all those songs you sent into his music collection |
| 01:52:50 | captain_proton | any other music you want to send is welcome :) |
| 01:52:54 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:53:55 | blaboo | trying to get the menus to work |
| 01:54:05 | blaboo | then i'm gonna smoke a fine cuban cigar |
| 01:55:19 | vogon_jeltz | anyone know a program that sums up all the numbers in a column? |
| 01:55:25 | vogon_jeltz | from stdin? |
| 01:55:39 | blaboo | um write one |
| 02:00:00 | blaboo | proton, how would i set textures for the menu fonts? |
| 02:00:13 | captain_proton | um |
| 02:00:34 | blaboo | like, say, the camo? |
| 02:00:38 | blaboo | where do i set the menu fonts? |
| 02:01:00 | captain_proton | i don't know that the text has a texture |
| 02:01:01 | blaboo | i've got a slightly wierder intro menu, etc |
| 02:01:06 | blaboo | can you set one? |
| 02:01:10 | captain_proton | possibly |
| 02:01:16 | captain_proton | you could hax0r the data file that defines the font |
| 02:01:46 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:02:21 | blaboo | yikes, wheres crs? i wanna give him a piece of my... |
| 02:02:43 | blaboo | ok, well i'll deal without that, but now how could i paste an image to, say, the right hand side of the screen? |
| 02:02:58 | blaboo | say i want the menu n the left, current games/other stuff on the right? |
| 02:03:02 | captain_proton | considers hitting you with his music tree |
| 02:03:14 | blaboo | music tree? |
| 02:03:22 | captain_proton | tree -if . |
| 02:04:01 | captain_proton | eww thats ugly |
| 02:04:04 | captain_proton | lemme just use normal tree |
| 02:04:35 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 02:04:37 | captain_proton | i can't get this right |
| 02:04:39 | captain_proton | one more try |
| 02:04:42 | nuum | ok |
| 02:04:52 | nuum | 175K? wow |
| 02:04:58 | nuum | intensity in ten cities |
| 02:05:07 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 02:05:28 | nuum | i want some bach! |
| 02:05:29 | nuum | now! |
| 02:05:32 | nuum | please!?!? |
| 02:05:34 | captain_proton | which? |
| 02:05:47 | nuum | cello suite, try the GMajor, i like that key |
| 02:06:14 | captain_proton | lemme choose which cello suite ;) |
| 02:06:19 | nuum | go for it |
| 02:06:52 | captain_proton | i'm off to go get food |
| 02:06:54 | nuum | no emperor concerto? |
| 02:07:05 | captain_proton | feel free to send me those shostakovich pieces |
| 02:07:06 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 02:07:14 | nuum | beethoven 5th concerto |
| 02:07:23 | captain_proton | no =| |
| 02:07:27 | nuum | piano... |
| 02:07:36 | nuum | ah, bjork! |
| 02:07:42 | captain_proton | is off |
| 02:07:52 | nuum | anyway, enjoy your dinner |
| 02:07:52 | captain_proton | accept the last 2 files before it times out |
| 02:08:41 | nuum | it auto-gets now |
| 02:10:19 | nuum | wtf isn't it getting the other two? |
| 02:10:23 | nuum | i gotta switch to xchat |
| 02:13:43 | nuum | my god |
| 02:22:04 | nuum | hey, any one here know anything about menu's in flag? |
| 02:28:10 | nuum | die |
| 02:28:25 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.livejournal.com/users/vogon_jeltz/ <-- phj34r m4h b45#. |
| 02:28:55 | nuum | wtf? |
| 02:29:23 | nuum | phear your face? why, do you have that awful flesh eating desease? |
| 02:29:42 | vogon_jeltz | I said "bash," not "face". |
| 02:29:58 | nuum | i'm so sorry little boy, but your daddy won't be coming home for christmas |
| 02:30:00 | vogon_jeltz | face would be |=4(3. |
| 02:30:45 | nuum | mr jeltz? no, i don't know anyone by that name. oh wait, you mean the guy with the rotten face from that awful flesh eating desease, oh yah, him |
| 02:30:51 | vogon_jeltz | kicks nuum |
| 02:31:05 | nuum | sticks nuum up for a quarter |
| 02:31:25 | nuum | jeltz, you know anything about bzmenus? |
| 02:31:30 | vogon_jeltz | not really. |
| 02:31:34 | nuum | other than they suck |
| 02:31:57 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 02:32:20 | nuum | well i think i'll do a bit of hacking then |
| 02:35:53 | tad_ | anyone here? |
| 02:35:59 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 46 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: it's getting late here, cu tomorrow [Sat Apr 20 01:49:36 2002] |
| 02:35:59 | tad_ | ibot seen chestal |
| 02:36:09 | | bzflag was last seen on #blob 1 hours, 30 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: seletz_: ide/pcmcia headers? [Sat Apr 20 02:05:56 2002] |
| 02:36:09 | tad_ | ibot seen bzflag |
| 02:36:31 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 28 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: accept the last 2 files before it times out [Sat Apr 20 03:07:52 2002] |
| 02:36:31 | tad_ | ibot seen captain_proton |
| 02:36:50 | | Yow! I'm imagining a surfer van filled with soy sauce! |
| 02:36:50 | tad_ | ibot YOW |
| 02:36:59 | | My PLATFORM SHOE collection was CHEWED up by th' dog, ALEXANDER HAIG won't let me take a SHOWER 'til Easter ... (snurf) |
| 02:36:59 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:37:14 | | ffg is nothing but a puny mass of porous waffle-house grits. |
| 02:37:14 | tad_ | ibot insult ffg |
| 02:37:22 | nuum | yo |
| 02:37:26 | tad_ | hey! |
| 02:37:29 | nuum | sup |
| 02:37:34 | tad_ | you know anything about servers? |
| 02:37:42 | nuum | um, what kind of servers? |
| 02:37:45 | nuum | waitresses? |
| 02:37:49 | nuum | i know they like big tips |
| 02:37:52 | tad_ | bzfs servers |
| 02:38:02 | | nuum is nothing but a reeky stack of evil cat bladders. |
| 02:38:02 | tad_ | ibot insult nuum |
| 02:38:07 | nuum | haven't hacked on the code, what kind of expertise you looking for? |
| 02:38:15 | nuum | evil cat bladders?!?! are there any other kind! |
| 02:38:18 | tad_ | like why its not showing up on the list |
| 02:38:18 | | wish i knew, nuum |
| 02:38:18 | nuum | ibot, are there? |
| 02:38:27 | | LOOK!! Sullen American teens wearing MADRAS shorts and "Flock of Seagulls" HAIRCUTS! |
| 02:38:27 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:38:34 | nuum | probably because the website is down |
| 02:38:37 | tad_ | no |
| 02:38:41 | tad_ | its ok |
| 02:38:49 | tad_ | just my server is not showing up |
| 02:38:56 | | I'm a GENIUS! I want to dispute sentence structure with SUSAN SONTAG!! |
| 02:38:56 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:39:04 | | What a COINCIDENCE! I'm an authorized "SNOOTS OF THE STARS" dealer!! |
| 02:39:04 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:39:13 | | ibot is nothing but a decayed stack of surly slurpee-backwash. |
| 02:39:13 | tad_ | ibot insult ibot |
| 02:39:20 | tad_ | ok |
| 02:39:27 | tad_ | well off to try and fix this thing |
| 02:39:38 | tad_ | its getting late here anyway |
| 02:39:47 | | Am I accompanied by a PARENT or GUARDIAN? |
| 02:39:47 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:39:51 | tad_ | lol |
| 02:39:58 | | You are nothing but an halfbaked bucket of coughed-up pond scum. |
| 02:39:58 | tad_ | ibot insult me |
| 02:40:11 | | I request a weekend in Havana with Phil Silvers! |
| 02:40:11 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 02:54:50 | nuum | hey, anyone know what "tstrip" is? |
| 02:55:21 | BZFlag | triangle strip |
| 02:55:34 | BZFlag | VVVVVVVVVVVV etc. |
| 02:56:00 | BZFlag | VAVAVAVAVAVAVAV perhaps? |
| 02:56:40 | BZFlag | anyway that's the idea. one up one down ... |
| 02:58:03 | nuum | ok |
| 02:58:12 | nuum | just working on a better looking menu |
| 02:58:27 | nuum | any idea on how to get different textures on the fonts? |
| 03:03:02 | BZFlag | nope. the fonts are bitmaps at present. |
| 03:03:20 | BZFlag | an outline font renderer might be a good thing to add. ;-) |
| 03:03:38 | nuum | i see. any way i can get the black outlines off the fonts? |
| 03:08:54 | scanline | is back (gone 01:47:19) |
| 03:14:29 | BZFlag | edit the bitmaps? |
| 03:15:36 | nuum | ug. that will be last resort |
| 03:23:06 | BZFlag | you working on 1.7, 1.8 or 1.7+new hud ? |
| 03:23:11 | nuum | 1.8 |
| 03:23:19 | nuum | making a better menu |
| 03:23:28 | nuum | really i should be building widgets for mouse usage |
| 03:23:34 | nuum | just want to see a better looking menu for now |
| 03:23:44 | nuum | did you check out the shot indicator patch? |
| 03:34:56 | scanline | BZFlag: I've had good luck with bitmapped fonts generated from TTF in picogui |
| 03:35:45 | BZFlag | that sounds like a good option. |
| 03:35:49 | scanline | I have it generate textures full of big characters.. like 64 or 128 pixels high, then draw them using linear_mipmap_linear |
| 03:35:51 | scanline | looks nice |
| 03:36:03 | scanline | feel free to steal code from picogui if you need... it relies on SDL_ttf though |
| 03:36:30 | scanline | but there's some fairly generic code to fill textures with characters, that might be useful |
| 03:37:03 | scanline | it will allocate as many textures as necessary, packing the characters left to right, top to bottom, with enough margin inbetween characters so the mipmaps don't get yucky |
| 03:37:50 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/antialias_rotate.png <-- that's the same font, large and small |
| 03:39:57 | fontenot | nica |
| 03:40:01 | fontenot | nice |
| 03:40:23 | scanline | I found that it really looks sucky if you don't use mipmaps, or if you don't antialias the textures :) |
| 03:41:22 | BZFlag | what are the lines in the rotated versions? |
| 03:41:41 | scanline | huh? |
| 03:43:17 | scanline | PicoGUI's OpenGL support might be improving soon... there's a guy trying to use it as a GUI for a MMORPG |
| 03:44:14 | BZFlag | there are diagonal lines through each letter. and the png is wierd, netscape shows the rotated letters as white, not black to it looks really odd. |
| 03:44:26 | scanline | hmm... |
| 03:44:37 | scanline | there are really faint diagonal lines due to a bug in my video card's antialiasing |
| 03:44:50 | scanline | but AFAIK netscape's PNG support is hosed |
| 03:44:57 | scanline | looks fine in galeon :) |
| 03:45:47 | BZFlag | rikers.org:/tmp/netscape_antialias_rotate.png |
| 03:45:51 | nuum | tim, do you know how to change to a different font (other than the italicized helvetica) in the menus? |
| 03:46:01 | BZFlag | uh http://rikers.org/tmp/netscape_antialias_rotate.png |
| 03:46:07 | scanline | BZFlag: hm... that's really weird |
| 03:46:50 | scanline | BZFlag: at least I know where the diagonals came from... I was experimenting with polygon antialiasing, but that's mainly for the lines' benefit. The text doesn't need any antialiasing except for while rendering the TTF at load-time |
| 03:47:09 | scanline | ok.. brb, going to reboot into my freshly compiled 2.4.18 kernel |
| 03:47:38 | BZFlag | nuum: see the date/*rgb files. fixed*, helv* times* |
| 03:47:56 | nuum | yeah, but how do i set a font for the menu? |
| 03:49:52 | nuum | and any idea why bzflag makes the rest of the screen so much brighter? |
| 03:51:24 | BZFlag | nuum: options-brightness ? |
| 03:53:28 | nuum | ah! |
| 03:53:33 | nuum | your a freaking genius! |
| 04:10:26 | scanline | is away: fun, games, and small explosions |
| 04:52:30 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: any interest in helping me write a deleet program? |
| 04:58:08 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: de-1337? |
| 04:58:21 | captain_proton | yes |
| 04:58:31 | captain_proton | but deleet is funnier :) |
| 04:58:41 | captain_proton | most people assume 'delete' |
| 04:58:42 | vogon_jeltz | I guess. :P |
| 04:58:53 | captain_proton | here's what I was thinking |
| 04:58:54 | captain_proton | : |
| 04:59:27 | captain_proton | since there are so many variations, you have to have it translate using a lexicon |
| 04:59:54 | captain_proton | then, when there are multiple possibilities, you use probabilities and syntax rules to select the best choice |
| 05:00:13 | vogon_jeltz | *nod* |
| 05:00:29 | vogon_jeltz | actually, I have a leetify script here that one of my friends wrote. |
| 05:00:42 | vogon_jeltz | got a line of leet that you want me to check it with? |
| 05:01:16 | captain_proton | [kick ass] CATPOON BRY: i w111 000wnz0rz j00! |
| 05:01:40 | vogon_jeltz | CATPOON BRY: i wlll ooownzors joo! |
| 05:01:48 | vogon_jeltz | well, it did something. |
| 05:01:49 | captain_proton | wlll |
| 05:01:50 | captain_proton | hah |
| 05:02:12 | captain_proton | is proud of w111 |
| 05:02:16 | vogon_jeltz | 637Z |-|iZ 1337 0N |
| 05:02:29 | captain_proton | see - thats too extreme |
| 05:03:04 | vogon_jeltz | is away: 6377iN6 |-|Iz 31I73 0N |
| 05:03:17 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 05:03:21 | vogon_jeltz | ph34r xleet.pl. |
| 05:03:36 | vogon_jeltz | phj34r, too. |
| 05:06:35 | captain_proton | fj334 |
| 05:07:08 | vogon_jeltz | nah, it's fj33r. |
| 05:07:14 | vogon_jeltz | or fj334h. |
| 05:07:18 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:07:20 | captain_proton | i just can't type |
| 05:07:42 | vogon_jeltz | fj334# my3. |
| 05:08:06 | vogon_jeltz | [homerj] we're all going to dir |
| 05:08:07 | vogon_jeltz | [vogon_jeltz] no, I'm going to ls. |
| 05:12:24 | vogon_jeltz | [bienvenu@netscape.com - 04/18 19:51] yes, mid-checkin. |
| 05:12:24 | vogon_jeltz | [marc@attinasi.org - 04/18 19:32] |
| 05:12:25 | vogon_jeltz | mid checkin? |
| 05:12:35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:12:37 | vogon_jeltz | open-source development at its best. |
| 05:14:01 | vogon_jeltz | and somewhere between 12:42 and 13:59 yesterday, someone did something to the Linux brad Clobber tree of Mozilla that doubled its RAM leakage. |
| 05:47:26 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 06:04:45 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 06:09:26 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV. |
| 06:17:12 | MrApathyCream | heh, pretty soon we'll need a /commands server command |
| 06:17:35 | MrApathyCream | is away: I'm busy |
| 06:17:57 | MrApathyCream | ponders aloud, ... 'odd, thought i was back' |
| 06:47:38 | BZFlag | wishes he had the original bz font from title.rgb |
| 06:48:36 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: yep, and the client should query that list so you can do some form of tab completetion. ;-) |
| 06:53:13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:44:51 | buzzy_bat | slaps buzzy_bat around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:55:52 | captain_proton | hates numbers guy |
| 08:01:39 | | irc logs are now per channel: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/handhelds.org/?N=D |
| 08:01:39 | captain_proton | BZFlag: where are irc logs ? |
| 08:01:46 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 08:01:47 | | sure thing captain_proton |
| 08:01:47 | captain_proton | ibot: thanks |
| 08:15:58 | captain_proton | wants rcam to stop by and show us all the work he's done |
| 08:16:13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:16:26 | MrApathyCream | he doesn't feel good, he had to go |
| 08:16:36 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 75 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 08:16:36 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen ibot? |
| 08:18:47 | fontenot | lol |
| 08:19:07 | fontenot | rcam must talk a good game to have taken BZFlag in |
| 08:21:16 | BZFlag | fontenot: hey! ;-) |
| 08:21:46 | BZFlag | fontenot: he talked the talk. but we only talked for 30 minutes or so. |
| 08:22:17 | BZFlag | then he promised emails, and work, and people, etc. and delivered edited graphics and other people |
| 08:22:26 | BZFlag | people's patches... |
| 08:22:48 | captain_proton | i wouldn't call them 'edited' |
| 08:23:05 | captain_proton | maybe 'threw out the red and green channels and saved' |
| 08:23:25 | fontenot | :-D |
| 08:23:43 | captain_proton | BZFlag: he DID have a few lines of original code |
| 08:24:00 | captain_proton | @@ -1,3 +1,4 @@ |
| 08:24:00 | captain_proton | +RCAM, inc. <http://rcam.ws> |
| 08:24:01 | captain_proton | Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org> |
| 08:24:01 | captain_proton | Chris Schoeneman <crs23@bigfoot.com> |
| 08:24:14 | captain_proton | -maintained by Tim Riker. Several others deserve mention |
| 08:24:14 | captain_proton | +maintained by Tim Riker. RCAM, inc. is also now providing commercial developers to help with BzFlag. Several others deserve mention |
| 08:24:36 | fontenot | my first red flag was when the website kept coming up as a registration service placeholder |
| 08:24:40 | captain_proton | and we can't forget the clincher: |
| 08:24:45 | captain_proton | - // print OpenGL renderer |
| 08:24:45 | captain_proton | + controlPanel->addMessage("RCAM, Inc. <http://rcam.ws>"); |
| 08:24:45 | captain_proton | +// print OpenGL renderer |
| 08:25:19 | fontenot | tsk tsk tsk |
| 08:25:26 | captain_proton | chuckles |
| 08:27:08 | MrApathyCream | thats brutal, didn't know that.... |
| 08:27:41 | captain_proton | =) |
| 08:27:48 | fontenot | what's rcam's callsign ? |
| 08:28:09 | MrApathyCream | who's buried in grant's tomb? |
| 08:28:36 | captain_proton | fontenot: rcam |
| 08:28:40 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: grant's wife |
| 08:30:05 | fontenot | hmm I dont recall seeing him |
| 08:31:14 | fontenot | does "error downloading world database" point to anything specific? |
| 08:31:20 | fontenot | or is it a general type error? |
| 08:31:21 | MrApathyCream | slow networks |
| 08:31:25 | fontenot | :-\ |
| 08:31:31 | MrApathyCream | i think you have 5 seconds per block |
| 08:31:42 | MrApathyCream | if you don't get it in time, you get that message, just retry |
| 08:32:05 | fontenot | ok thanks |
| 08:33:06 | captain_proton | i think in general the client should be a lot more verbose about what its doing |
| 08:33:09 | captain_proton | "Downloading world" |
| 08:33:16 | captain_proton | "Retrieving game state" |
| 08:33:17 | captain_proton | etc |
| 08:33:20 | captain_proton | with progress bars |
| 08:33:28 | MrApathyCream | "Checking md5 cache" |
| 08:33:32 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:33:53 | captain_proton | this is for 1.8 of course =) |
| 08:34:26 | MrApathyCream | can we have the progress bar go immediately to 98 percent and then take 2 minutes, like all other progress bars? |
| 08:35:56 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:36:02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you use windows too much |
| 08:36:11 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 08:36:36 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:36:49 | captain_proton | i was bored & reading through logs of rcam's exploits |
| 08:36:53 | captain_proton | I talked to NVIDIA and if RCAM continues to help they are interested in a full blown sponcership with hardwqare and disterbution as well as providing top-end servers and bandwidth. |
| 08:37:00 | captain_proton | why is nVidia providing servers ?? |
| 08:37:56 | captain_proton | oh MrApathyCream - i got the job i wanted :) |
| 08:38:11 | MrApathyCream | Mr. Wirmy developer? |
| 08:38:22 | captain_proton | thats Mr WIGGLY to you |
| 08:38:26 | captain_proton | but no |
| 08:38:28 | MrApathyCream | ah, sorry, forgot |
| 08:38:55 | MrApathyCream | Mcguyver technical advisor? |
| 08:40:09 | captain_proton | basically its a job where i'll have guaranteed free time |
| 08:41:03 | captain_proton | and i will spend it with a bzflag tree |
| 08:42:16 | MrApathyCream | working for rcam now? |
| 08:42:26 | captain_proton | must be |
| 08:42:32 | captain_proton | pokes vogon_jeltz |
| 08:42:39 | captain_proton | VOGON!!!! |
| 08:42:50 | captain_proton | i have 4 of Gene Ray's lectures in .mov format |
| 08:50:12 | MrApathyCream | i here SDL is almost done!! :) |
| 08:51:21 | MrApathyCream | OK I give, what job did you get? |
| 08:52:26 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: systems/network admin |
| 08:54:05 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 08:54:14 | MrApathyCream | edu? |
| 08:54:55 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 08:55:08 | MrApathyCream | don't be changing your own grades now! |
| 08:55:51 | captain_proton | haha |
| 09:22:41 | captain_proton | GENE RAY IS MY HERO! |
| 09:24:37 | | Gene ray is the father of the time cube. |
| 09:24:37 | MrApathyCream | ibot, gene ray? |
| 09:25:10 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 09:25:20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: timecube.com |
| 09:26:50 | MrApathyCream | Everything seems so much more authentic in 36pt Times-Roman |
| 09:27:06 | captain_proton | yep |
| 09:46:45 | captain_proton | w0000000t! |
| 09:46:57 | captain_proton | halo & I came up with the most brilliant idea |
| 09:47:33 | captain_proton | we're gonna try to get gene ray & thinkgeek to make a timecube watch |
| 09:53:20 | captain_proton | woooooooooooohooooooooooooo! |
| 09:53:30 | captain_proton | i just emailed gene ray asking for permission to submit the idea to tg |
| 09:56:29 | MrApathyCream | get rcam to provide the programming team |
| 09:56:51 | captain_proton | no programming needed |
| 09:56:58 | captain_proton | they'll go to the people who design watches for them |
| 09:57:02 | captain_proton | and get them to make it pretty |
| 09:57:58 | MrApathyCream | how do you see the time, in the other 3 out of 4 dimensions that you don't have on a normal watch? |
| 09:58:06 | MrApathyCream | <without rcam's programming> |
| 09:58:09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: well |
| 09:58:15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you have to know which day you're in |
| 09:58:26 | captain_proton | between sunup and sunup is one day |
| 09:58:48 | captain_proton | noon->noon is another, sundown->sundown is yet another, and the 4th corner of the cube is midnight->midnight |
| 09:59:02 | captain_proton | goes w00t then falls asleep |
| 09:59:12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: its 6 am - get to bed |
| 09:59:24 | MrApathyCream | damn, your right |
| 09:59:34 | captain_proton | 'nite |
| 10:01:25 | MrApathyCream | cya |
| 13:10:42 | | niihau, Chestal |
| 13:10:42 | Chestal | hi |
| 14:03:48 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 14:06:46 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 14:06:46 | T-34 | Chestal? |
| 14:07:21 | T-34 | Captain?? |
| 15:12:41 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 15:12:41 | tad_ | CHESTAL??? |
| 15:12:42 | tad_ | you here? |
| 15:12:50 | | FUN is never having to say you're SUSHI!! |
| 15:12:50 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 15:13:19 | tad_ | anyone that has can tell me about the league thing |
| 15:13:33 | | yes, tad_? |
| 15:13:33 | tad_ | ibot |
| 15:50:28 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: of course, you have to put the fact that cubes have 8 corners out of your mind. ;) |
| 15:51:52 | vogon_jeltz | http://timecube.com/index15.html |
| 15:54:30 | vogon_jeltz | is away: VFS: Panic: Cannot mount root fs |
| 15:54:41 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 15:58:01 | tad_ | lol |
| 16:25:51 | fontenot | Even though it is unlawful, |
| 16:25:51 | fontenot | it is not immoral to kill the |
| 16:25:51 | fontenot | educators, the students and |
| 16:25:51 | fontenot | others ignorant of Nature's |
| 16:25:51 | fontenot | Harmonic Cubic Creation |
| 16:26:06 | fontenot | that guy is just plain crazy |
| 16:27:41 | vogon_jeltz | "Language is a human invention of an evil cubeless singularity." |
| 16:27:48 | vogon_jeltz | best quote ever. |
| 16:28:32 | fontenot | LOL |
| 16:30:16 | fontenot | the watch should say that at sunup |
| 17:37:17 | tad_ | anyone here? |
| 19:06:40 | blaboo | yo |
| 19:06:50 | tri | hello |
| 19:07:07 | nuum | crs ever around? |
| 19:07:32 | tri | don't know |
| 19:07:48 | nuum | just beating tankenstein & martins bums on bhaskara |
| 19:08:01 | tri | lol |
| 19:08:39 | tri | this place is always so quiet |
| 19:09:03 | nuum | well it gets hoppin sometimes |
| 19:09:13 | nuum | maybe when proton is here |
| 19:09:25 | nuum | chestal doesn't say much, but i think he's watchin |
| 19:09:32 | Chestal | nuum: always :-) |
| 19:09:38 | tri | lol |
| 19:10:37 | nuum | how you doing chestal? |
| 19:10:46 | Chestal | nuum: ok |
| 19:10:50 | Chestal | no ducati :-( |
| 19:10:52 | nuum | teach me some german! |
| 19:11:01 | nuum | server gone? |
| 19:11:15 | Chestal | admins are doign a fresh install |
| 19:11:19 | Chestal | and they didn't finish yesterday |
| 19:11:33 | nuum | fresh install? reminds me, i'm gonna reinstall the stuff on this machine |
| 19:11:45 | nuum | and then nix that windows xp box upstairs |
| 20:19:19 | captain_proton | hum |
| 20:19:28 | captain_proton | no response from gene ray yet |
| 20:36:45 | nuum | gene ray? creating a monster? |
| 20:37:03 | | rumour has it he is working on a applet that will be able to look at al the players on a server |
| 20:37:03 | captain_proton | do you know who he is? |
| 20:37:06 | nuum | captain proton, is your new mutating gene ray weapon ready yet? |
| 20:37:19 | captain_proton | nuum: timecube.com |
| 20:37:30 | nuum | applet? |
| 20:37:52 | captain_proton | no applet |
| 20:38:48 | nuum | linear time _is_ an evil lie |
| 20:39:09 | captain_proton | Anyone saying that Jesus |
| 20:39:10 | captain_proton | and his Jewish father had |
| 20:39:10 | captain_proton | something to do with my |
| 20:39:10 | captain_proton | birth, is a damn evil liar. |
| 20:39:34 | nuum | wow am i gonna have to read this entire manifesto of stupidity? |
| 20:39:40 | nuum | man, i just smoked a fine cuban cigar |
| 20:39:48 | nuum | oh do i feel fine |
| 20:39:54 | captain_proton | nuum: its not stupid, its brilliant! |
| 20:39:55 | nuum | do you know what day it is captain proton? |
| 20:40:01 | captain_proton | nuum: saturday |
| 20:40:11 | nuum | it is 4/20 |
| 20:40:17 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 20:40:24 | captain_proton | so i have to deal with a bunch of stoners in my dorm |
| 20:40:24 | nuum | i suggest at 4:20 this afternoon you smoke a big hoolie |
| 20:40:27 | captain_proton | just like any other saturday |
| 20:40:35 | nuum | hawhawhawh |
| 20:41:02 | nuum | i suggest you partake in their adventure |
| 20:41:02 | captain_proton | or... |
| 20:41:11 | nuum | and experience non linear time |
| 20:42:35 | nuum | hmmm. that bach is fun |
| 20:42:41 | nuum | but i don't have the 5,6 parts |
| 20:43:00 | captain_proton | i tried to send them but you didn't accept the transfer |
| 20:43:01 | nuum | i was beating that silly tankenstein and sissie martin today on your decks |
| 20:43:03 | captain_proton | lemme try again |
| 20:43:04 | nuum | i own your decks |
| 20:43:11 | nuum | my dcc autoget is retarded |
| 20:43:20 | nuum | i have a better idea |
| 20:43:32 | nuum | you give me ftp access (sftp?) to your machine, and i grab all the files i want! |
| 20:43:36 | nuum | d/cc |
| 20:43:47 | captain_proton | not until they release a new openssh |
| 20:43:52 | nuum | new openssh? |
| 20:44:05 | captain_proton | there's a local root exploit in openssh/scp/sftp |
| 20:44:06 | nuum | i have 3.1 or whatever is safe |
| 20:44:11 | captain_proton | no - this is new |
| 20:44:21 | nuum | hmmm, really, terrible! |
| 20:44:38 | nuum | what kind of secure system is that |
| 20:44:44 | nuum | time to go hack my university! |
| 20:44:51 | captain_proton | a secure system that everybody and their mother is working to break |
| 20:45:14 | nuum | my mom hacks on openssh! |
| 20:45:21 | nuum | 0wned by m0m |
| 20:45:25 | nuum | ;) |
| 20:45:40 | nuum | wanna play some decks captain_proton? i kill you six times before you hit the ground |
| 20:46:02 | nuum | academia is mind control |
| 20:46:04 | nuum | hmmmm |
| 20:46:17 | nuum | word is evil empowerment separating man from nature? |
| 20:46:18 | captain_proton | sure |
| 20:46:31 | nuum | i would rather read sartre |
| 20:47:16 | nuum | let us duel |
| 20:47:16 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 20:52:29 | T-34 | Chestal, Captain_proton ? |
| 20:54:39 | T-34 | If you're there please give me a sign cause I want you to see on Bhaskara that bug with the flag inside the building |
| 21:31:57 | nuum | yo |
| 21:32:09 | nuum | proton, switch back to many shot decks |
| 21:32:15 | nuum | maybe five shot decks |
| 21:32:35 | captain_proton | zZzZzZz |
| 21:32:37 | nuum | well its early to start drinking, but why not? |
| 21:33:41 | nuum | uperpopulacion es tickbomb |
| 21:34:06 | T | Well is anybody here? |
| 21:34:06 | nuum | i'm gonna give a nuumian translation of timecube.com |
| 21:34:19 | arathorn | t is t-34? |
| 21:34:23 | T | yeap |
| 21:34:23 | nuum | verd nes true nes truth |
| 21:34:25 | arathorn | nor not |
| 21:34:41 | T | I couldn't log with T-34 |
| 21:35:08 | T | My connection crushed and T-34 remain logged |
| 21:35:24 | nuum | nor not? bots like i don't know the difference |
| 21:35:25 | captain_proton | where? |
| 21:35:36 | T | so I'm just T with my humble old russian tank |
| 21:35:39 | nuum | my connection crushed! |
| 21:35:45 | T | Captain |
| 21:36:02 | T | Come on Bhaskara CTF to see a bug |
| 21:36:11 | nuum | time cube is evil! |
| 21:36:37 | captain_proton | T: i've seen that bug |
| 21:36:39 | nuum | i think xmms locks my drive |
| 21:36:47 | nuum | but i'm not running xmms! |
| 21:36:54 | nuum | so i think xmms is stupid! |
| 21:36:58 | T | Yeap but now I know how to do that |
| 21:37:01 | captain_proton | T: how? |
| 21:37:22 | T | Well actually I put both flags in that buildings |
| 21:37:31 | | - how is that possible ? if you register with NSI you should have a handle ? |
| 21:37:31 | captain_proton | uhm - how? |
| 21:37:39 | | captain_proton: I forgot how |
| 21:37:39 | captain_proton | ibot, forget how |
| 21:38:05 | T | It's a small area where if you drop the flag, the flag will slide (?) down |
| 21:38:13 | | nuum: I forgot why |
| 21:38:13 | nuum | ibot, forget why |
| 21:38:22 | | nuum, I didn't have anything matching 'who, how, and when' |
| 21:38:22 | nuum | ibot, forget who, how, and when |
| 21:38:29 | | nuum: i haven't a clue |
| 21:38:29 | nuum | ibot, why not? |
| 21:38:35 | | nuum: what? |
| 21:38:35 | nuum | ibot, sigh! |
| 21:38:40 | | nuum: excuse me? |
| 21:38:40 | nuum | ibot, try harder! |
| 21:38:54 | T | Captain, we must go there and I'll show you |
| 21:39:03 | captain_proton | T: coming |
| 21:39:06 | T | ok |
| 21:39:31 | nuum | captain_proton: this timecube.com is quite negative |
| 21:39:43 | nuum | captain_proton: i don't like its adversarial nature |
| 21:40:00 | nuum | captain_proton: i didn't destroy the family. america did in 1952. |
| 21:40:06 | nuum | captain_proton: so i object! |
| 21:42:37 | captain_proton | w000000t! |
| 21:42:58 | nuum | sup? |
| 21:43:14 | T-34 | Captain, it's on the other side too |
| 21:43:24 | captain_proton | T-34: i know exactly why its doing that |
| 21:44:06 | T-34 | OK, I'm glad if I that helps you. Actually I'm a beta-tester. |
| 21:45:13 | captain_proton | T-34: its because of how the 2-team mode was made |
| 21:45:22 | captain_proton | T-34: normally, there's a team base right in that spot |
| 21:45:57 | captain_proton | and the code is written so if you drop a flag in the air over a base, it goes to a 'safety' position |
| 21:46:06 | captain_proton | then chestal removed two of the bases |
| 21:47:10 | T-34 | I see |
| 21:49:01 | captain_proton | pokes BZFlag |
| 21:49:05 | BZFlag | so it still won't drop a flag where there is no base? |
| 21:49:14 | BZFlag | hmm.... |
| 21:50:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: no it won't |
| 21:50:58 | captain_proton | the fix should probably be done in whoseBase |
| 21:51:26 | T-34 | I'm going to the battle, see you all |
| 21:51:28 | T-34 | bye |
| 21:52:36 | captain_proton | whoop! |
| 21:52:39 | captain_proton | battle with the loops tonight |
| 21:53:11 | captain_proton | BZFlag: free at 8pm MDT to ref for us? |
| 21:53:31 | BZFlag | captain_proton: nope. date with the wife. |
| 21:53:58 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I'm thinking of just moving the base way up in the air. |
| 21:53:58 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 21:54:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ewwwwww |
| 21:54:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: whoseBase should return NoTeam if there isn't a base there |
| 21:54:27 | captain_proton | that would fix the bug |
| 21:54:35 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 21:54:37 | | i guess rcam is a videogame development company that can be reached at http://rcam.ws or the Lead Programmer or the meaning of Rapid Creation of Advanced Media or a helping to make the 1.8 version of bzflag! |
| 21:54:37 | captain_proton | where is rcam? |
| 21:55:08 | captain_proton | joy |
| 21:56:06 | BZFlag | hmm... base positions don't even get sent. where is the non-drop region? right where the non-base would have been? |
| 21:56:17 | captain_proton | yep |
| 21:56:21 | BZFlag | I don't see how the client can even know where it should have been. |
| 21:56:35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: flag actions on drop ard handled in the server |
| 21:56:58 | captain_proton | bzfs.cxx:4204 and bzfs.cxx:3318 |
| 21:58:28 | BZFlag | ah, yep. base position is set, just not sent. moving it way out of the way should work. |
| 21:59:12 | captain_proton | gross, but i suppose it works |
| 22:04:56 | BZFlag | thinking of a better solution now... |
| 22:06:16 | hello | hi guys, whats up? |
| 22:08:13 | hello | talkative people, huh? ;) |
| 22:08:18 | captain_proton | very |
| 22:09:32 | hello | i'm trying to find a good song to listen/download |
| 22:10:09 | BZFlag | 3326: |
| 22:10:17 | BZFlag | if (randomCTF && (maxTeam[i] == 0)) |
| 22:10:17 | BZFlag | continue; |
| 22:10:29 | BZFlag | that should do without moving the bases. |
| 22:10:52 | captain_proton | looks good BZFlag |
| 22:13:14 | captain_proton | league is getting big |
| 22:13:21 | BZFlag | committed |
| 22:14:00 | BZFlag | azx |
| 22:14:04 | BZFlag | asd |
| 22:14:25 | captain_proton | ? |
| 22:22:49 | captain_proton | BZFlag: are lag pings committed? |
| 22:37:58 | captain_proton | uggg |
| 22:38:52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: whats the command line for 2-player CTF ? |
| 22:47:05 | Chestal | ah, glad you found the CTF flag inside buildign bug |
| 22:47:21 | Chestal | although I don't quite get it: why did the server move the flag? what was it trying to accomplish? |
| 22:48:04 | captain_proton | Chestal: when a flag is dropped in the air over a base, it goes to a safety position |
| 22:48:31 | captain_proton | Chestal: and it assumes 'in the air' if its dropped over a base, because the client would have sent a capture msg if they had landed |
| 22:48:33 | Chestal | oh? what the rationale behind that? |
| 22:48:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: imagine someone jumping into their base with their opponent's flag |
| 22:49:02 | captain_proton | Chestal: they land on a bullet, causing a drop flag |
| 22:49:14 | captain_proton | Chestal: if the flag lands in their base, the other team has no hope to recover it |
| 22:49:40 | captain_proton | so it goes to a safety position right outside the base |
| 22:49:47 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 22:49:52 | captain_proton | which happens to be inside a building in some ctf maps |
| 22:51:47 | Chestal | ehm, 3 hours to go? |
| 22:51:59 | captain_proton | until ? |
| 22:52:40 | captain_proton | oh - the match |
| 22:52:43 | captain_proton | sounds about right |
| 22:52:48 | captain_proton | gonna ref for us? |
| 22:53:10 | Chestal | I don't know, maybe I'll go to bed and set my alarm clock to 4:00 :-) |
| 22:53:54 | captain_proton | well |
| 22:53:59 | captain_proton | we kinda need -somebody- to ref |
| 22:54:19 | Chestal | wel, it's a friendly match anyway, meanign it doesn't count |
| 22:54:28 | Chestal | I think everyone trusts you |
| 22:54:29 | captain_proton | it is ? |
| 22:54:37 | Chestal | yes, I woudl say it is |
| 22:54:46 | Chestal | we agreed that way with the Zees when we played |
| 22:54:51 | captain_proton | we'll decide before it starts if it actually counts |
| 22:55:01 | captain_proton | you played the zees? |
| 22:55:10 | Chestal | I guess it's better not to use these matches until we've properly setup the webpage |
| 22:55:24 | Chestal | 'official matches' must be made public |
| 22:55:32 | Chestal | (before the match) |
| 22:55:49 | Chestal | these early matches help us to find possible problems |
| 22:55:55 | Chestal | and they're fun and trainign of course |
| 22:56:04 | captain_proton | we'll ask :) |
| 22:56:08 | BZFlag | 7t5rt5gdergt6dr5dgt5edgrdg |
| 22:56:14 | captain_proton | hello henry |
| 22:56:21 | Chestal | bzflag: cat? or son? |
| 22:56:22 | BZFlag | lets his 3 year old near the computer |
| 22:56:37 | BZFlag | yfbbthcfrvh5ffffffffffffff |
| 22:56:44 | Chestal | proton: we played the zees and noone except me wanted it to count. Then we did a second match |
| 22:56:52 | captain_proton | who won? |
| 22:57:04 | Chestal | proton: you may guess exactly once :-) |
| 22:57:05 | BZFlag | 7nb7ybg8yd8 |
| 22:57:22 | captain_proton | Chestal: the zees? |
| 22:57:28 | captain_proton | grins |
| 22:57:33 | Chestal | hehe |
| 22:57:46 | Chestal | no, 4:1 for the glorious moles, but it was quite tough and I sucked# |
| 22:58:05 | Chestal | tankmann was late, so our substitute akira played. Actually, he was the best player |
| 22:58:36 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: no reply from gene ray yet |
| 22:59:05 | Chestal | that was a short visit |
| 22:59:39 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: tell him that Nature's Simultaneous Harmonic 4-Day Time Cube compels him to respond within 16 hours. |
| 22:59:48 | captain_proton | haha vogon_jeltz |
| 23:00:05 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i want to stay on his 'good side' (good corner?) |
| 23:00:11 | vogon_jeltz | hah. |
| 23:00:18 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: because if he gives me the go-ahead, hopefully we can get some time cube watches made |
| 23:00:32 | vogon_jeltz | then I better not hit the Send button on this message with my IRC logs attached. |
| 23:00:45 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you know you want one |
| 23:00:55 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: damn. you called my bluff. |
| 23:01:38 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: 4 spokes on each hand - numbered '16', '4', '8', '12'... |
| 23:01:44 | captain_proton | oh, it would be BEAUTIFUL! |
| 23:05:41 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 23:06:11 | vogon_jeltz | w0t? |
| 23:06:38 | vogon_jeltz | [vogon_jeltz] hahah. my friend is in negotiations with Gene Ray and ThinkGeek about Time Cube watches. |
| 23:06:38 | vogon_jeltz | [vogon_jeltz] I *so* want one. |
| 23:06:38 | vogon_jeltz | [theoddone33] I don't |
| 23:06:39 | vogon_jeltz | [hendersa] vogon_jeltz: You are too stupid to understand it. You've learned wrong. |
| 23:06:39 | vogon_jeltz | [vogon_jeltz] theoddone33: that's because you are educated stupid and you will eat shit before you allow Nature's 4-Day Time Cube to grace your wrist. |
| 23:07:05 | captain_proton | hack3r rootwars are going on and they've been ddosed twice so far |
| 23:07:10 | vogon_jeltz | ahahahahah. |
| 23:07:51 | captain_proton | so i'm sitting here waiting to open up a shell (as scheduled), and 1) our box is being arp-spoofed by some lame other team, 2) irc is down so i can't yell at them about it |
| 23:08:42 | vogon_jeltz | oh, have you seen my AA Mozilla? |
| 23:08:51 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/mozilla.png |
| 23:13:43 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:14:54 | Chestal | ah, antia-aliased |
| 23:14:59 | Chestal | I thought aa = aalib :-) |
| 23:15:29 | captain_proton | "...before you allow Nature's 4-Day Time Cube to grace your wrist" <-- wow |
| 23:16:42 | Chestal | uh, all those non-letter characters in people's team names |
| 23:17:06 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah =| |
| 23:17:15 | captain_proton | Chestal: i bzmsged teatree about names stuff |
| 23:17:51 | Chestal | hm, what's the deal with the two BiD teams |
| 23:18:13 | Chestal | same guy who coudl not erase his old team or something? |
| 23:18:18 | captain_proton | Chestal: one was 'BiL' - he can't get rid of it - i'm gonna wait for valoche to fix it |
| 23:18:49 | Chestal | where is that French frog anyway? |
| 23:29:37 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:29:53 | captain_proton | j00r 1n73rn3t c0ne><i0n suz0rs! |
| 23:30:18 | Chestal | figures he must watch Mulholland Drive again someday |
| 23:30:48 | captain_proton | Chestal: you ever manage to get them to show requiem for a dream? |
| 23:32:09 | Chestal | proton: nope, but I got an ok divx now, didn't watch it yet, though |
| 23:32:29 | Chestal | I just hope the English isn't too difficult to understand |
| 23:33:40 | captain_proton | Chestal: you easily speak it well enough to understand |
| 23:34:26 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en Ich gehe zum Beteiligten mein Esel heute abend aus |
| 23:34:27 | | captain_proton: I go to the involved one my donkey this evening out |
| 23:34:36 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:34:41 | captain_proton | i'm guessing that translation is wrong |
| 23:35:37 | Chestal | uh, where did you get that? |
| 23:36:03 | captain_proton | Chestal: someone in another irc said it |
| 23:36:58 | Chestal | hmm, the German sentence doesn't make any sense |
