| 00:00:00 | Chestal | but I had to sto becuase my downloads are too slow :-| |
| 00:00:04 | fontenot | oooh, I have that on dvd |
| 00:00:11 | Chestal | never heard of Twin Peaks? That's impossible |
| 00:00:35 | Chestal | fontenot: I think only Epsidoes 1-7 are availale on DVD? |
| 00:00:39 | fontenot | havent watched it though |
| 00:00:39 | Chestal | the first season |
| 00:00:44 | fontenot | Chestal: that's correct |
| 00:00:51 | Chestal | fontenot: the pilot and the first episode are great |
| 00:00:54 | fontenot | Chestal: actually, the pilot is not avail |
| 00:01:13 | Chestal | ah, the divx is quite good quality, though |
| 00:01:28 | Chestal | much better than all Iäve seen of Enterprise for example |
| 00:03:35 | fontenot | Chestal: the quality of the dvds is supposed to be extremely good |
| 00:04:11 | fontenot | Chestal: so I guess they had good source material :-) |
| 00:04:29 | fontenot | Chestal: though I heard the quality of the pilot on the japanese dvd sucks |
| 00:05:42 | Chestal | the pilot seemed to have less colour saturation and a really strange framerate |
| 00:05:53 | Chestal | somethign liek 28.7fps |
| 00:06:15 | bradi | When I try to compile, I get an error about "config:21: *** missing separator. Stop." |
| 00:06:40 | fontenot | Chestal: out of curiousity, how big is the pilot? |
| 00:07:04 | Chestal | fontenot: filesize? about 700MB |
| 00:07:25 | Chestal | bradi: huh? that's strange |
| 00:07:26 | fontenot | urk |
| 00:07:48 | fontenot | would take me days to dl that :-) |
| 00:07:53 | bradi | Wait... I fixed it. |
| 00:08:11 | bradi | I was using an old version of BZFlag FX and it didn't diff properly. |
| 00:08:16 | bradi | Or something. |
| 00:09:20 | Chestal | font: hehm it took me days, too :-) |
| 00:10:19 | fontenot | Chestal: :-) |
| 00:10:31 | captain_proton | bzflag fx is ancient |
| 00:13:44 | captain_proton | goes about fixing all his errors |
| 00:14:12 | Chestal | so, where's MrApathyCream today? |
| 00:14:34 | Chestal | btw., have you noticed? This used to be an empty channel some time ago. Not anymore |
| 00:14:53 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:16:14) |
| 00:16:43 | Chestal | ah, now I know, why galeon hangs |
| 00:16:48 | Chestal | it's the evil flash-plugin, grr |
| 00:17:01 | Chestal | it#s not working anyway |
| 00:18:23 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: your mail client's spamming the bzflag-dev mailing list |
| 00:18:35 | vogon_jeltz | I've gotten 5 of the same mail from you in my mailbox :) |
| 00:18:44 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i've only gotten 1 |
| 00:18:49 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: hehe |
| 00:18:58 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: perhaps its YOUR mail server? |
| 00:19:08 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... I doubt it |
| 00:19:28 | bradi | Wow, BZFlag is now at 1.8a1. |
| 00:20:26 | Chestal | how is the CVS mailing done, anyway? it's sf who dies the acutal mailing, isn't it? |
| 00:20:42 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:20:46 | captain_proton | their cvs server iirc |
| 00:20:53 | Chestal | I think my system cannot mail to the outside anyway |
| 00:23:34 | captain_proton | has cut it down to a page of errors! |
| 00:26:50 | Chestal | webmaster got 5 new mails, all SPAM |
| 00:28:26 | vogon_jeltz | number 6 |
| 00:28:50 | bradi | Is there any way to connect to the old servers with bzflag 1.8? |
| 00:28:54 | captain_proton | no |
| 00:29:00 | vogon_jeltz | N 4 Mar 13 Frank Thilo (10,920) some observations on message stats and throttling |
| 00:29:06 | vogon_jeltz | same topic, same sender, 6th message |
| 00:29:10 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:29:16 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: at least you're using the right mail client |
| 00:29:26 | vogon_jeltz | pine q0nz j00 |
| 00:29:35 | captain_proton | oh thats pine? |
| 00:29:37 | captain_proton | yick |
| 00:29:37 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 00:29:40 | captain_proton | nevermind ;) |
| 00:29:46 | vogon_jeltz | yuo r t3h l00s4r |
| 00:29:50 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 00:29:58 | Chestal | vogonÖ ah, that's not CVS but the dev-ml |
| 00:30:06 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, like I said :) |
| 00:30:15 | bradi | Is implementing the protocol in XML still an 'idea', or is it really planned? |
| 00:30:20 | vogon_jeltz | and I've gotten 6 copies of the same message |
| 00:30:22 | Chestal | vogonÖ it's not my fault, though. I have been getting some of the patch-Mails from sf 2 or 3 times |
| 00:30:33 | captain_proton | bradi: parts of things are being converted ot xml |
| 00:30:34 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: ahh, SF's f0rked up... that explains it :) |
| 00:31:45 | Chestal | hmm, 1:33 here, I wanted to go to bed early and do some reading |
| 00:31:52 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I think we stand to gain more performance as far as in-game player updates go by packing multiple fields into a byte |
| 00:31:57 | vogon_jeltz | s/byte/word/ |
| 00:32:13 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: the xml isn't to gain performance |
| 00:32:24 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: true, but I'm also suggesting this ;) |
| 00:32:33 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: /msg BZFlag |
| 00:32:36 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 00:33:15 | vogon_jeltz | we can save 7 bits for each coordinate in each MsgPlayerUpdate :) |
| 00:34:07 | vogon_jeltz | we can pack both X and Y into 3 bytes and only waste at most 6 bits as opposed to 14 |
| 00:34:40 | Chestal | ehm, at the moment we are still using floats |
| 00:34:47 | vogon_jeltz | bah, cheesy |
| 00:34:57 | vogon_jeltz | fixed point is where it's at ;) |
| 00:35:00 | Chestal | and even if we're using ints, have we decided what range coordinates are in? |
| 00:35:00 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 00:35:04 | scanline | all hail fixed point! |
| 00:35:16 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: within [-400, 400] |
| 00:35:25 | captain_proton | slaps scanline with a SceneNodeScalarReader<T> |
| 00:35:28 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: no |
| 00:35:32 | vogon_jeltz | uhh, yes |
| 00:35:39 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: 1) its ints, which means millimeters |
| 00:35:41 | scanline | is burned by the C++ |
| 00:35:42 | vogon_jeltz | as long as we're not enlarging worlds |
| 00:35:43 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 00:35:47 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: 2) worlds will be dynamic size |
| 00:35:51 | Chestal | vogon: ahem, 1) for fixed pont we will have to sale that by 1000 or so 2) we will want to have bigger worlds |
| 00:35:58 | vogon_jeltz | bah, then the whole thing goes out the window; n/m |
| 00:36:53 | Chestal | as I added in protocols.txt, we can save 8 bytes on sensible servers :-) |
| 00:37:01 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 00:37:25 | vogon_jeltz | will have to convert the protocol def to a format he can read without becoming incredibly bored and confused |
| 00:37:54 | Chestal | there's nothing wrong with being confused; being bored is evil, I agree |
| 00:38:33 | vogon_jeltz | fires up LyX |
| 00:38:56 | captain_proton | wonders why the float fields work but the integer ones do not |
| 00:39:18 | vogon_jeltz | one would think that decimeter accuracy would be passable |
| 00:39:37 | Chestal | dm? No, I don't think so |
| 00:39:57 | Chestal | a tank is 6m long |
| 00:40:05 | vogon_jeltz | come on... do we really need to know each tank's position within less than 4 inches? |
| 00:40:34 | Chestal | a dm is 1/60 of a tank's length |
| 00:40:55 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yes, yes we do |
| 00:41:09 | Chestal | you could see the tank jumpign from one coordinate to the other |
| 00:41:11 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: also - if we use that accuracy for everything its bad |
| 00:41:22 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: think about my particle systems - decimeter accuracy would be horrible |
| 00:41:26 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... good point |
| 00:41:35 | Chestal | for calculatons I hope mm will be accurate enough |
| 00:41:50 | captain_proton | i think mm is easily enough |
| 00:41:51 | Chestal | I still feel uneasy about fixed point |
| 00:41:53 | vogon_jeltz | bah... centimeter should be enough |
| 00:42:32 | captain_proton | got xml integrated |
| 00:42:50 | fontenot | how wide will a narrow tank be in mm ? |
| 00:43:14 | captain_proton | 1? ;) |
| 00:43:31 | fontenot | :-) |
| 00:45:30 | Chestal | I think narrow tank is currently 50c wide, at least for hit detection |
| 00:46:58 | Chestal | 50cm |
| 00:48:03 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 00:58:43 | Chestal | well, good night |
| 00:58:47 | captain_proton | nn |
| 00:58:50 | vogon_jeltz | nn, Chestal |
| 00:58:59 | vogon_jeltz | converts the protocol def to LaTeX |
| 00:59:13 | vogon_jeltz | anyone wanna see the bits I've converted so far in PS? |
| 00:59:22 | captain_proton | sure |
| 00:59:40 | vogon_jeltz | hi, chris |
| 00:59:54 | crs23 | hey |
| 00:59:57 | captain_proton | heyhey |
| 01:00:30 | captain_proton | hey crs23 - i've finished converting xml stuff but i get a strange error |
| 01:00:37 | captain_proton | data/test7.bzg (1,2): unexpected data outside field |
| 01:00:39 | captain_proton | any clues? |
| 01:00:58 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/protocol.ps |
| 01:01:22 | captain_proton | Error: /syntaxerror in -file- |
| 01:01:22 | captain_proton | Operand stack: |
| 01:01:23 | captain_proton | --nostringval-- |
| 01:01:23 | captain_proton | ... |
| 01:01:26 | vogon_jeltz | look again |
| 01:01:32 | vogon_jeltz | you got it before it was done uploading |
| 01:01:35 | crs23 | it's complaining about stuff not in a tag and outside of fields |
| 01:02:13 | crs23 | btw, (1,2) means line 1 column 2 |
| 01:03:05 | captain_proton | aah |
| 01:03:46 | captain_proton | i get it |
| 01:03:53 | captain_proton | it actually does xml comments |
| 01:04:14 | crs23 | yes, it's fairly strict now. |
| 01:04:23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:04:28 | captain_proton | data/test7.bzg (28,10): unrecognized node `attracting' |
| 01:04:29 | captain_proton | odd |
| 01:04:45 | captain_proton | i handle xml->value == "attracting" in ::parse |
| 01:06:05 | crs23 | is it returning true? |
| 01:06:26 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:06:28 | crs23 | maybe just a spelling error? |
| 01:07:25 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:07:42 | captain_proton | <attracting state="on" /> |
| 01:07:54 | captain_proton | if(xml->value == "attracting") { |
| 01:07:57 | captain_proton | bah |
| 01:08:18 | captain_proton | um ok |
| 01:08:30 | crs23 | is it the first field in your particle node? that is, does it parse other fields successfully? |
| 01:08:37 | captain_proton | it seems like its returning bad tags for both of the tags handled in ::parse |
| 01:08:50 | captain_proton | it parses all the standard vector and scalar fields correctly |
| 01:10:28 | crs23 | bad tags? |
| 01:11:53 | captain_proton | nope everything looks good |
| 01:12:24 | crs23 | no, you said `bad tags'. what bad tags? who's returning them? |
| 01:13:26 | captain_proton | well |
| 01:13:31 | captain_proton | its saying they're invalid |
| 01:13:37 | jacques | hi ho |
| 01:13:51 | captain_proton | the two tags (attracting and method) that aren't just scalar or vector fields |
| 01:14:12 | crs23 | you're using the standard vector and scalar readers now? |
| 01:14:23 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:15:19 | crs23 | maybe you could try the enum scene node field type and use SceneReader::readEnum for those fields. |
| 01:16:57 | captain_proton | trying... |
| 01:17:27 | captain_proton | nope same problem |
| 01:19:09 | crs23 | sounds like a job for the debugger to see why (xml->value == "attracting") is false |
| 01:19:14 | captain_proton | erk |
| 01:19:47 | captain_proton | throws in some couts |
| 01:20:47 | captain_proton | whoa... |
| 01:20:57 | captain_proton | its not even getting to SceneNodeParticleSystemReader::parse |
| 01:22:03 | captain_proton | that might do it ;) |
| 01:22:04 | crs23 | did you forget to add it as a reader? actually, i have to wonder why you'd need it anymore. |
| 01:22:27 | crs23 | if all the fields are scene node fields, you only need to add the readers for those. |
| 01:22:28 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:22:53 | vogon_jeltz | check the protocol def again |
| 01:22:56 | vogon_jeltz | it's new and improved |
| 01:23:04 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/protocol.ps |
| 01:26:12 | jacques | ps ? |
| 01:26:15 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz: did you want to ask about merging the SDL stuff |
| 01:26:20 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yeah |
| 01:26:35 | crs23 | k. what's the question? |
| 01:26:43 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: I have the SDL* classes done, but I need to know how to go about making it into a build option |
| 01:27:10 | crs23 | oooh, good one. |
| 01:27:33 | vogon_jeltz | can you e-mail me the answer? I'm busy converting the protocol doc into PS |
| 01:27:51 | vogon_jeltz | not to mention LaTeX, PDF, and HTML, in one fell swoop :) |
| 01:28:12 | captain_proton | don't forget dvi |
| 01:28:17 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, dvi, too |
| 01:28:38 | crs23 | sure, what's the address? postscript isn't the source format, is it? |
| 01:28:50 | captain_proton | latex is the source |
| 01:28:59 | crs23 | *whew* good. |
| 01:29:33 | vogon_jeltz | my e-mail is vogon@icculus.org |
| 01:29:48 | vogon_jeltz | you can see the PostScript rendering so far at http://icculus.org/~vogon/protocol.ps |
| 01:30:07 | captain_proton | ugh i have to rework this a bunch |
| 01:31:55 | iLLf8d | you should scale tank width based on personal weight |
| 01:31:56 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 01:32:01 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 01:32:22 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: good idea...you should be a lot easier to hit |
| 01:32:29 | iLLf8d | yeah I should =) |
| 01:32:46 | iLLf8d | but i'd take more hits before I'd die |
| 01:32:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:34:49 | iLLf8d | I forgot the command heh not the password tho cap |
| 01:34:56 | iLLf8d | wanted to kickmyself as a test |
| 01:35:07 | captain_proton | /password <pass> |
| 01:35:09 | captain_proton | /kick user |
| 01:35:14 | iLLf8d | will be good to get rid of my ghosts |
| 01:35:16 | captain_proton | simple enuf |
| 01:35:53 | captain_proton | ponders whether to run eat in the dorms or just have another muffin later |
| 01:36:33 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 01:36:34 | jacques | what are they having? |
| 01:36:40 | jacques | cheeseburgers? |
| 01:36:44 | jacques | lasagna? |
| 01:36:56 | jacques | or mexican night :-o |
| 01:37:32 | captain_proton | mexican night |
| 01:37:55 | iLLf8d | ah they have margueritas in the cafeteria? |
| 01:38:00 | captain_proton | no |
| 01:38:03 | iLLf8d | a little tequila |
| 01:38:03 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:38:13 | iLLf8d | no reason to go then |
| 01:38:15 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 01:38:16 | captain_proton | just greasy beef |
| 01:38:24 | jacques | hmm, when i was in college mexican was not a good thing |
| 01:38:34 | jacques | we could play frisbee with the tortillas |
| 01:38:36 | iLLf8d | I don't think my school had mexican night |
| 01:39:04 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: your a psychology major right? |
| 01:39:08 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 01:39:10 | captain_proton | ahahahahaha |
| 01:39:32 | iLLf8d | whats your concentration gonna be in? |
| 01:40:04 | jacques | greasy something - not sure it's beef |
| 01:40:06 | iLLf8d | I figure you were going from the self diagnosis angle |
| 01:40:14 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 01:40:16 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 01:40:28 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: actually i'm starting to consider operating systems |
| 01:40:34 | iLLf8d | no shit hmm |
| 01:40:41 | iLLf8d | don't like games? |
| 01:40:49 | captain_proton | they don't have classes in games |
| 01:40:54 | captain_proton | =) |
| 01:41:04 | iLLf8d | what are you gonna try to do when you get out |
| 01:41:10 | iLLf8d | ie what would you like to be doing |
| 01:41:20 | iLLf8d | besides 6 figures and poolside |
| 01:41:39 | captain_proton | don't know yet |
| 01:41:45 | captain_proton | i like being in school |
| 01:41:54 | iLLf8d | yeah enjoy it while you can |
| 01:42:13 | iLLf8d | after that you have to pay bills |
| 01:42:14 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 01:42:16 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:42:20 | jacques | game theory classes are hard |
| 01:42:36 | jacques | as are real computer graphics classes |
| 01:42:43 | jacques | all math |
| 01:44:03 | jacques | only thing I was any good at was automata theory |
| 01:44:06 | captain_proton | that kind of math isn't terribly difficult |
| 01:44:11 | jacques | shit up! |
| 01:44:14 | jacques | oops |
| 01:44:16 | jacques | shut up |
| 01:44:19 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:44:23 | jacques | it's difficult for me |
| 01:44:26 | captain_proton | shits up |
| 01:44:30 | jacques | heh |
| 01:44:33 | vogon_jeltz | shits up? |
| 01:44:48 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you heard the man |
| 01:45:43 | jacques | captain_proton: I am terrible at continuous math |
| 01:45:55 | jacques | was ok at discrete |
| 01:48:31 | captain_proton | tries making again |
| 01:48:50 | vogon_jeltz | OK, more stuff up on the protocol def |
| 01:54:35 | captain_proton | oh well...so much for eating in the dorms |
| 01:56:00 | BZFlag | ps protocol.txt? hmmm |
| 01:56:08 | BZFlag | sgml would be better. ;-) |
| 01:58:33 | jacques | i used to only each cheeseburgers and cheese eggs |
| 01:59:00 | jacques | the cafeteria ladies would say "honey, you gonna DIE of cholosterol!" |
| 01:59:27 | captain_proton | builds with DEBUG to track down a seggie |
| 01:59:36 | jacques | cholesterol |
| 02:00:02 | BZFlag | MsgQueryGame is unused? |
| 02:02:42 | BZFlag | nuked the unfinished radio code. |
| 02:02:48 | BZFlag | er nukes... |
| 02:02:55 | crs23 | looks that way. same with MsgQueryPlayers. |
| 02:03:22 | BZFlag | yep. nuking that too. |
| 02:04:01 | captain_proton | doesn't get why this isn't working |
| 02:04:12 | jacques | nuke away |
| 02:04:44 | jacques | pleaes also nuke the GM and reduce the laser range to something reasonable :-D |
| 02:04:52 | captain_proton | someone else care to take a look at this code? |
| 02:05:01 | jacques | hides. |
| 02:05:24 | captain_proton | bzgview: SceneReader.cxx:1336: void SceneReader::addReader (SceneNodeFieldReader *): Assertion `stack.back().fieldReaders.count(reader->getName()) == 0' failed. |
| 02:05:26 | captain_proton | argh |
| 02:06:17 | crs23 | you're trying to add a field reader that uses the same name of another, already added reader |
| 02:07:22 | captain_proton | um...no i'm not |
| 02:07:35 | captain_proton | wait i think i might know whats wrong |
| 02:07:45 | crs23 | hey man, that's what the assert says :) |
| 02:17:15 | captain_proton | lets play a game! |
| 02:17:25 | captain_proton | how many kludges can i put into this code? |
| 02:17:45 | vogon_jeltz | 42! |
| 02:18:57 | vogon_jeltz | OK, the updated protocol def part should be up in a second |
| 02:19:15 | vogon_jeltz | same bat-server, same bat-filename |
| 02:20:01 | vogon_jeltz | 'tis up now |
| 02:21:11 | jacques | um |
| 02:21:23 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/protocol.ps |
| 02:22:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you took radio out of the TODO? awww |
| 02:23:25 | captain_proton | oh no way |
| 02:23:29 | captain_proton | data/test7.bzg (28,10): unrecognized node `attracting' |
| 02:23:42 | captain_proton | starts pulling his hair out, one strand at a time |
| 02:25:19 | crs23 | captain_proton: send it here. i'll have a look. |
| 02:25:33 | captain_proton | lemme try this... |
| 02:25:47 | captain_proton | w000000 |
| 02:26:38 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:26:45 | captain_proton | something is amiss |
| 02:26:57 | vogon_jeltz | and something else is amister |
| 02:26:58 | captain_proton | but it works (somewhat) |
| 02:27:20 | captain_proton | crs23: coming your way |
| 02:29:47 | crs23 | there's no test7.bzg |
| 02:32:37 | captain_proton | um, yeah there is |
| 02:33:45 | crs23 | no, there's not |
| 02:34:39 | captain_proton | strange |
| 02:35:11 | crs23 | this doesn't have the billboard fixes either |
| 02:35:29 | captain_proton | it ought to |
| 02:35:39 | crs23 | maybe i'm looking in the wrong place for the downloaded file... |
| 02:35:52 | captain_proton | it untars to 'bzflag' not bzflag-particles |
| 02:36:26 | crs23 | oops. xchat refused to overwrite the previous file (with the same name). starting over... |
| 02:51:55 | vogon_jeltz | OK, the final protocol def should be up now |
| 02:55:41 | vogon_jeltz | I'm gonna turn the packet descriptions into tables, tho... |
| 02:58:14 | captain_proton | perhaps you should write some code? |
| 02:59:05 | vogon_jeltz | nes |
| 03:00:07 | crs23 | captain_proton: fixed. patch is on it's way. |
| 03:01:26 | captain_proton | crs23: firewall =| |
| 03:01:36 | crs23 | d'oh. hang on. |
| 03:02:36 | crs23 | k. http://groundhog.pair.com/bz/particle-diff |
| 03:04:39 | captain_proton | got it |
| 03:05:56 | captain_proton | um... |
| 03:07:22 | captain_proton | it doesn't seem to work right now |
| 03:08:39 | crs23 | did the patch not work, does it not build, run-time problem? |
| 03:08:44 | captain_proton | it builds fine |
| 03:08:51 | captain_proton | its just the system doesn't seem to render right |
| 03:08:58 | captain_proton | err |
| 03:09:05 | captain_proton | it renders ok, just doesn't calculate right |
| 03:09:13 | captain_proton | it ought to be a sphere the 'pulsates' |
| 03:09:25 | crs23 | i wasn't looking for that. just parsing stuff. |
| 03:09:58 | captain_proton | well - thats what was really broken ;) |
| 03:10:05 | crs23 | maybe attraction isn't being set properly. i'll look... |
| 03:10:14 | captain_proton | i had the parsing working (even if it was horribly kludged) |
| 03:11:32 | crs23 | ack. i must've gotten confused between the old and new tarballs. sorry. |
| 03:11:45 | captain_proton | but the fixes you made clean it up a lot :) |
| 03:11:55 | captain_proton | it actually looks a lot like what I had before |
| 03:12:15 | crs23 | find the value == "attracting" and fix the getAttribute() in that if block to use "attraction" not "action" |
| 03:12:22 | jacques | when can a regular guy like me see particles? |
| 03:12:46 | crs23 | er, "attracting" not "attraction" |
| 03:13:17 | captain_proton | um..."action" is part of the <method> tag |
| 03:13:20 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: it's not complete? |
| 03:13:25 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: hmm |
| 03:13:31 | BZFlag | updates doc/protocol.txt ;-) |
| 03:13:32 | crs23 | right. cut-and-paste error on my part. |
| 03:13:33 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: which message does it stop with? |
| 03:13:41 | BZFlag | MsgExit |
| 03:13:43 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: gah... can't I have a moment's rest? ;) |
| 03:14:04 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:14:16 | vogon_jeltz | uploading the complete-ish version now |
| 03:14:32 | vogon_jeltz | I can upload the LaTeX, PDF, and HTML formats, too, if you want |
| 03:15:07 | crs23 | gack! okay, last time. make it "state" not "attracting". |
| 03:15:28 | captain_proton | erm - huh? |
| 03:15:35 | captain_proton | show me what you want the tag to look like |
| 03:15:52 | crs23 | line 469: xml->getAttribute("state", xmlParseEnum(s_enumAttract, xmlSetVar(node->attracting))); |
| 03:16:49 | captain_proton | ahh i see =) |
| 03:18:28 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: uploading? |
| 03:18:35 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: to where? |
| 03:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | it's up in PS format: http://icculus.org/~vogon/protocol.ps |
| 03:18:57 | captain_proton | ok its better... |
| 03:19:05 | captain_proton | still doesn't do it spherical like it ought to |
| 03:19:19 | vogon_jeltz | complete as of the last time I pulled down the tree |
| 03:19:26 | crs23 | captain_proton: looks like the billboard code is too aggressive. while it billboards the particles it also prevents rotating the particle system as a whole. my bad. |
| 03:19:37 | captain_proton | heh... |
| 03:19:41 | captain_proton | crs23: i noticed that... |
| 03:20:41 | captain_proton | BZFlag: when i do a cvs up what does 'M' mean? |
| 03:21:24 | crs23 | the easiest fix is to transform all the vertices (that's "vertices" not "verteces" :-) by modelXFormStack.back() into a separate field and put that in the job. |
| 03:23:40 | captain_proton | xmlEnumBool sets a bool value? |
| 03:25:15 | captain_proton | ok it uses xmlEnumBool now |
| 03:25:26 | crs23 | don't forget to fix the bzg files |
| 03:25:34 | captain_proton | only one bzg file to fix =) |
| 03:26:39 | BZFlag | captain_proton: merging with your local changes. |
| 03:27:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ahh, k |
| 03:31:27 | captain_proton | odd... |
| 03:31:38 | captain_proton | i'm getting '10' for the field angle |
| 03:31:59 | captain_proton | i'm an idio |
| 03:32:01 | captain_proton | t |
| 03:34:21 | captain_proton | considers committing |
| 03:35:56 | captain_proton | should i go for it? |
| 03:36:11 | vogon_jeltz | what, do you have a fear of commitment? |
| 03:36:28 | crs23 | i've got a patch for you that fixes the overly aggressive billboarding... |
| 03:36:28 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:36:32 | captain_proton | smacks vogon_jeltz |
| 03:36:45 | captain_proton | crs23: http it and i'll integrate them... |
| 03:37:16 | crs23 | http://groundhog.pair.com/bz/particle-patch |
| 03:38:09 | captain_proton | makes |
| 03:38:20 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz: did you get my email? |
| 03:38:20 | captain_proton | ok time for that muffin |
| 03:38:40 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yu |
| 03:38:42 | vogon_jeltz | yup, even |
| 03:39:07 | crs23 | cool. okay, i'm outta here. |
| 03:39:09 | captain_proton | crs23: please tell me there will be a way to define a model's position as the tank's position + an offset? |
| 03:39:16 | crs23 | hmm... |
| 03:40:03 | crs23 | you get that automatically if your scene graph is a child of the player's transform. that can be arranged. |
| 03:40:08 | captain_proton | yay |
| 03:40:17 | captain_proton | that makes it easy to optimize weather effects |
| 03:40:28 | crs23 | ah |
| 03:40:32 | crs23 | bye! |
| 03:40:36 | captain_proton | byebye! |
| 03:41:40 | captain_proton | does a cvs up one more time before comitting |
| 03:43:39 | jacques | heh you could have a storm cloud over someone |
| 03:43:55 | jacques | thinks of food. |
| 03:43:56 | captain_proton | well in fact that's what will happen |
| 03:44:05 | captain_proton | layers of particle emitters |
| 03:44:09 | captain_proton | further and further from the tank |
| 03:44:10 | jacques | wont it look strange? |
| 03:44:14 | captain_proton | with less and less |
| 03:44:20 | jacques | ah interesting |
| 03:44:22 | captain_proton | i don't -think- so - we'll see |
| 03:44:25 | jacques | heh |
| 03:44:48 | jacques | gonna get food - biab |
| 03:46:22 | captain_proton | commits |
| 03:46:55 | captain_proton | hrm... |
| 03:46:58 | captain_proton | uh oh |
| 03:47:11 | captain_proton | the thing i had designated as one of my major goals for 1.8 was weather |
| 03:47:13 | captain_proton | =| |
| 03:49:19 | BZFlag | so are there any partical systems to see? |
| 03:49:29 | captain_proton | data/particles-test.bzg |
| 03:49:40 | BZFlag | I saw that. does it show up anyplace? |
| 03:49:48 | captain_proton | not in-game |
| 03:49:50 | captain_proton | use bzgview |
| 03:49:56 | captain_proton | i'm doing snow right now ;) |
| 03:50:30 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, I wanna see |
| 03:52:22 | BZFlag | goes 3 times and then dies? |
| 03:52:27 | captain_proton | yep |
| 03:52:35 | BZFlag | any way to restart? |
| 03:52:37 | captain_proton | you can make it go more by changing the particle life |
| 03:52:44 | captain_proton | press esc, then up, then enter |
| 03:52:52 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 03:53:03 | captain_proton | is two running the latest protocol>? |
| 03:56:17 | BZFlag | not quite... |
| 03:57:00 | captain_proton | odd... |
| 03:57:07 | BZFlag | rebuilding... |
| 03:57:16 | captain_proton | if i try to add a particle system into clouds.bzg i don't get a view at all |
| 03:58:18 | BZFlag | it's rebuilding now. |
| 04:32:19 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 04:32:20 | captain_proton | blah |
| 04:33:33 | vogon_jeltz | whee, it compiles |
| 04:34:46 | captain_proton | of course it compiles, silly |
| 04:35:10 | vogon_jeltz | no, I mean my renderer compiles |
| 04:35:15 | captain_proton | oh |
| 04:35:23 | vogon_jeltz | and it appears to work |
| 04:35:37 | captain_proton | i can't get particles to appear in game - i don't know any of the dimensions used in the 3d models |
| 04:35:41 | vogon_jeltz | 1.8 server, plz? :) |
| 04:35:51 | captain_proton | there's a list |
| 04:36:15 | vogon_jeltz | ducati? |
| 04:36:23 | vogon_jeltz | could use some BZ |
| 04:36:44 | vogon_jeltz | whee, doesn't connect |
| 04:36:47 | captain_proton | actually lets use two. |
| 04:36:51 | vogon_jeltz | 'course, I'm using a fairly old client |
| 04:36:55 | captain_proton | geez |
| 04:36:58 | captain_proton | get the newest |
| 04:37:15 | captain_proton | the protocols been changing so fast that we can't play together at all if we don't have the same release |
| 04:37:24 | vogon_jeltz | jej |
| 04:37:25 | vogon_jeltz | heh, even |
| 04:39:43 | vogon_jeltz | gah |
| 04:39:51 | captain_proton | ? |
| 04:39:59 | vogon_jeltz | it chokes because it thinks it needs include/multicast.h |
| 04:40:06 | captain_proton | make clean |
| 04:40:24 | captain_proton | old depend files :) |
| 04:40:31 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:41:15 | captain_proton | very old depend files come to think of it |
| 04:41:33 | vogon_jeltz | well, yeah, in BZFlag time |
| 04:58:49 | vogon_jeltz | grr |
| 04:59:10 | vogon_jeltz | stupid LunixPlatformMediaFactory relies on you using X* |
| 04:59:22 | vogon_jeltz | gotta do some more coding |
| 05:00:44 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:07:58 | jacques | back |
| 05:09:51 | captain_proton | why? WHY? |
| 05:10:01 | jacques | ? |
| 05:10:44 | captain_proton | i can't get particle systems to work right in-game |
| 05:21:05 | captain_proton | seen the particles yet MrApathyCream ? |
| 05:25:52 | MrApathyCream | nope just fixed the build for them :) |
| 05:26:00 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:27:37 | MrApathyCream | hmmm just get black screen now |
| 05:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | is away: VFS: Panic: Cannot mount root fs |
| 05:59:04 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: bin/bzgview data/particles-test.bzg |
| 06:23:55 | jacques | heh i saw particules |
| 06:56:11 | MrApathyCream | ah, needed view.bzc upgrade, working now |
| 06:56:22 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: particles show up in game? |
| 06:56:47 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no not yet |
| 06:56:57 | MrApathyCream | bummer |
| 06:56:57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: theoretically yes but i haven't gotten them to show up yet |
| 06:57:07 | captain_proton | i think its just a question of dimensions and all |
| 06:57:21 | jacques | atomic paticules |
| 07:39:37 | jacques | heh |
| 07:39:48 | jacques | expanding spherical shell of destruction |
| 07:40:47 | captain_proton | the green? |
| 07:41:25 | jacques | that's the help desc for SW |
| 07:41:38 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 07:41:39 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:48:11 | jacques | home time |
| 07:48:13 | jacques | biab |
| 08:09:11 | MrApathyCream | particles--nice :) |
| 08:09:17 | MrApathyCream | bzgview |
| 08:09:23 | captain_proton | =) |
| 10:26:36 | Labhras | hi all |
| 16:03:33 | fontenot | hi |
| 16:27:31 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 10:31:01) |
| 16:57:20 | captain_proton | returns |
| 18:16:38 | captain_proton | wb |
| 18:17:15 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 18:17:48 | captain_proton | mooooo |
| 18:22:07 | captain_proton | are you crazy? nothing can live outside if you do that, nothing! |
| 18:22:10 | captain_proton | except the daleks |
| 18:22:17 | captain_proton | wheeee |
| 18:35:11 | fontenot | ok im getting really pissed off at the game again |
| 18:35:15 | fontenot | it needs a lot of work |
| 18:35:26 | fontenot | fucking laggers have total advantage |
| 18:35:35 | fontenot | something is seriously wrong with the way the netcode works |
| 18:40:24 | captain_proton | uh huh |
| 18:48:41 | fontenot | cheating is rampant |
| 18:48:59 | fontenot | even not counting hacked clients, people routinely pause and sign off to avoid getting hit |
| 18:49:04 | fontenot | then sign right back on |
| 18:49:23 | fontenot | i constantly get spawned right in front of the enemy |
| 18:51:02 | fontenot | i shott right through ppl with 200ms lag all the time too |
| 18:51:09 | fontenot | dunno what that's about |
| 18:52:08 | fontenot | WHY can I get hit by one shot by a 1 2 3 second lagger???? |
| 18:52:13 | fontenot | that should not be possible |
| 18:52:21 | captain_proton | because they shoot ahead enough |
| 18:52:26 | captain_proton | the issue with laggers is this: |
| 18:52:27 | fontenot | I have to anticipate where they'll be in 1 2 3 seconds to hit them |
| 18:52:34 | fontenot | no i dont think so |
| 18:52:45 | fontenot | nobody can reliably predict where I will be in 1 2 3 seconds |
| 18:52:45 | captain_proton | someone who has a lot of lag experiences everybody as having the same high lag |
| 18:53:03 | captain_proton | someone who has low lag cannot predict how much lag any single person will have |
| 18:53:24 | captain_proton | therefore the high laggers shoot ahead of everyone the same amount and it works |
| 18:53:35 | fontenot | I really thing something more complex is going on with laggers |
| 18:53:44 | captain_proton | like? |
| 18:53:48 | fontenot | they should have terrible scores |
| 18:53:59 | fontenot | in this game you cannot predict where someone will be in 2 seconds |
| 18:54:11 | captain_proton | true... |
| 18:54:13 | fontenot | certainly not well enough to hit them with one shot instead of a spread |
| 18:54:27 | captain_proton | have you ever seen a high lagger -not- spraying? |
| 18:54:34 | fontenot | i am routinely getting hit by a single shot by 2 second laggers WHILE IM EVADING |
| 18:54:46 | captain_proton | i've never noticed that |
| 18:54:49 | fontenot | and I have to shoot 2 seconds ahead of where they will be to hit them |
| 18:54:56 | fontenot | im noticing it always |
| 18:56:21 | fontenot | you should play on some of the servers I do |
| 18:56:33 | fontenot | you will see all sorts of bazarre things |
| 18:56:41 | fontenot | bizarre |
| 18:56:55 | captain_proton | i don't play on laggy servers |
| 18:57:05 | fontenot | define a laggy server |
| 18:57:11 | captain_proton | chardonnay |
| 18:57:14 | fontenot | usually I have a choice of 2-3 servers at most |
| 18:57:19 | fontenot | with platyers on them |
| 18:57:23 | captain_proton | true |
| 18:57:34 | captain_proton | but its often easy to get other good players to move to a faster server |
| 18:57:44 | fontenot | and no matter who is there when I join it's not long before a 1.5-3 seocnd legger or three shows up |
| 18:58:01 | fontenot | my lagstats to the server are fine - it's some of the other players that lag |
| 18:58:09 | captain_proton | thats what i mean |
| 18:58:16 | captain_proton | there are some servers where almost everyone lags |
| 18:58:20 | fontenot | in all the games ive ever played lag is a disadvantage - except this one |
| 18:58:37 | captain_proton | lag isn't really an advantage here |
| 18:58:45 | fontenot | i am on one now where there are several 200-300 and 1-2 2-3 second laggers |
| 18:58:46 | captain_proton | if you've ever played on a 56k, you'd know what i meant |
| 18:58:50 | fontenot | of course the laggers have GM |
| 18:59:10 | fontenot | I know the theory. I am observing something different. |
| 18:59:38 | captain_proton | i can't help you |
| 18:59:44 | fontenot | also. I cant get over the fact that the view is wrong |
| 18:59:51 | captain_proton | there's no magic word to make people upgrade their net connetions |
| 18:59:52 | fontenot | I am used to dodging shots in games |
| 18:59:57 | captain_proton | the view is wrong?! |
| 19:00:03 | fontenot | but in this game, shots that look like they are going to miss hit |
| 19:00:39 | fontenot | shots that look like they are going off to the side are actually on target |
| 19:01:23 | fontenot | also, what's with the stuttering? ever seen that? where everyone flickers back and forth? |
| 19:03:19 | captain_proton | i think you're expecting to be a good player too quick ;) |
| 19:03:27 | captain_proton | your tank does have width |
| 19:03:27 | fontenot | no i dont think that's it |
| 19:03:35 | fontenot | i can tell ppl who are better than me |
| 19:03:37 | fontenot | many many are |
| 19:03:51 | fontenot | but I am getting killed and shooting though ppl who have no skills at all |
| 19:04:06 | fontenot | and the technical problems are extremely frustrating to me |
| 19:04:31 | fontenot | I can tell when someone has better tactice and dodging skills thanb me |
| 19:04:44 | captain_proton | thats a product of high lag |
| 19:04:47 | captain_proton | that will go away in 1.8 |
| 19:05:00 | fontenot | but to shoot through a person again and again while they easily hit me is demoralizing |
| 19:05:01 | captain_proton | its due to misordered UDP packets |
| 19:05:11 | fontenot | which? |
| 19:05:38 | fontenot | the better I get the more frustrated I get |
| 19:05:44 | fontenot | not a good trend :-( |
| 19:05:50 | captain_proton | the real issue is that bzflag is playable on modem |
| 19:05:50 | captain_proton | if it were like most FPS', only people on cable/DSL+ would be able to play |
| 19:06:43 | fontenot | well no matter what, in my book, more lag should be a disadvantage, not an advantage |
| 19:07:07 | captain_proton | in 1.8 the serious laggers will have lower karma |
| 19:07:21 | fontenot | if lag is not an advantwage, why do all the good players hate laggers? (myself notwitstanding - not counting myself as good) |
| 19:07:37 | fontenot | yes I am anxiously awaiting 1.8 |
| 19:07:43 | fontenot | I really think it will help a lot of the issues |
| 19:07:58 | captain_proton | good players hate laggers because they're hard to hit |
| 19:08:02 | fontenot | right |
| 19:08:24 | fontenot | but if they never killed ppl, or killed ppl at a rate comensurate with their lag, ppl would not mind so much |
| 19:08:37 | fontenot | let's even ignore that for a sec |
| 19:08:48 | fontenot | this is indesputable - lagger gets GM |
| 19:08:52 | captain_proton | but its not really any different on either side except for the fact that high laggers experience about the same lag for everyone |
| 19:09:39 | captain_proton | true |
| 19:10:00 | fontenot | unhittable plus a tracking wep - nice |
| 19:10:01 | captain_proton | but everybody gets GM every so often |
| 19:10:28 | fontenot | how does tournament play work? |
| 19:10:40 | fontenot | there must be special maps or something |
| 19:10:46 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 19:10:50 | fontenot | because the games I have played are just too random |
| 19:10:54 | captain_proton | there's only been one, and i couldn't participate |
| 19:10:55 | fontenot | ppl spawning everywhere |
| 19:11:31 | captain_proton | in tournaments there aren't very many people playing in any single game |
| 19:11:39 | fontenot | that's good |
| 19:12:26 | fontenot | things get crazy once you have 8 or more ppl |
| 19:12:40 | fontenot | at least on the smaller maps |
| 19:13:01 | captain_proton | i think last tournament it was 5 per game |
| 19:13:05 | fontenot | many times one spawns into a hail of shots |
| 19:13:08 | captain_proton | "smaller maps" ?? |
| 19:13:21 | fontenot | are they all the same size? I wa on one yesterday that was huge |
| 19:13:31 | captain_proton | they're all 800x800 meters |
| 19:13:43 | fontenot | hmm |
| 19:14:11 | fontenot | it sure seemed bigger |
| 19:14:21 | captain_proton | perhaps it was your radar? ;) |
| 19:16:02 | fontenot | maybe it was the design |
| 19:16:11 | fontenot | it was really strange |
| 19:16:20 | fontenot | lots of secret doors and mazes |
| 19:16:28 | fontenot | and weird pyramid trees |
| 19:16:41 | fontenot | took FOREVER to get around in |
| 19:16:48 | fontenot | because there were walls everywhere |
| 19:17:12 | fontenot | yeah I was just playing on chardonnay |
| 19:17:24 | captain_proton | oh - one of gerbils? |
| 19:17:35 | fontenot | not sure - they said who it was but I forgot |
| 19:17:51 | fontenot | secrets, weird teleporters |
| 19:18:08 | fontenot | one that was built into a dorrway - you could no ttell it was tehre |
| 19:18:20 | captain_proton | yep thats one of gerbils ;) |
| 19:18:21 | fontenot | that teleported you way up into the sky |
| 19:19:36 | fontenot | seems like there is a disproportionately low number of american bzflag players |
| 19:19:45 | fontenot | probably because of broadband |
| 19:19:54 | captain_proton | no, just a disproportionately high number of german players |
| 19:23:02 | fontenot | i have seen french, german and I think japanese of chinese |
| 19:23:13 | fontenot | they were speeking some lang that looked japanese |
| 19:23:29 | fontenot | lots fo them appeared on a certian server at certain times of day |
| 19:23:41 | fontenot | they had japanese-sounding names too |
| 19:23:50 | captain_proton | yep plenty of japanese players |
| 19:23:59 | fontenot | I think you should lose a point whenever you pause |
| 19:24:11 | fontenot | another person just paused to avoid getting hit by me |
| 19:24:24 | fontenot | he had lost a duel - he was in air and I was waiting for him |
| 19:24:45 | iLLf8d | I say if a shot passes through trajected position they're toast |
| 19:24:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:24:51 | fontenot | some ppl seem to think it's part of the game |
| 19:24:53 | iLLf8d | but i'm sure that'd be a bit to implement |
| 19:25:18 | iLLf8d | would keep people from pausing for that reason alone tho |
| 19:25:22 | iLLf8d | morning all |
| 19:25:28 | fontenot | morning iLLf8d :-) |
| 19:25:49 | iLLf8d | fontenot: I usually sit under their bubbles and wait for them to unpause in those situations |
| 19:26:01 | fontenot | yes but if there is another player one cannot do that |
| 19:26:07 | iLLf8d | when I pause when I'm gonna be toast I offer a free kill to the guy when I come back usually |
| 19:26:15 | fontenot | another enemy came and started shooting at me |
| 19:26:19 | fontenot | i had to leave |
| 19:26:36 | iLLf8d | well just do what I do and callem a pause pussy |
| 19:26:37 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:26:37 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 19:26:43 | fontenot | heh, i did |
| 19:26:46 | fontenot | then I left |
| 19:26:55 | fontenot | there were only 2 other players |
| 19:26:59 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 19:27:02 | iLLf8d | which server you on? |
| 19:27:19 | fontenot | none right now - that was digitaleclipse |
| 19:27:27 | iLLf8d | ah that server is messed |
| 19:27:29 | fontenot | i was on chardonney earlier but the lag was really getting to me |
| 19:27:37 | fontenot | yes it is |
| 19:27:42 | iLLf8d | they guy claimed some sdsl speed |
| 19:27:47 | fontenot | what is a good DM server? |
| 19:27:49 | fontenot | right! |
| 19:27:50 | iLLf8d | like t1 speed or just under it |
| 19:28:01 | fontenot | whenever there are > about 5-6 players, it goes to hell |
| 19:28:07 | iLLf8d | yeah it blows |
| 19:28:12 | iLLf8d | DM? |
| 19:28:16 | fontenot | deathmatch |
| 19:28:19 | fontenot | free-style |
| 19:28:20 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 19:28:21 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 19:28:24 | iLLf8d | decks heh |
| 19:28:25 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 19:28:28 | fontenot | arg |
| 19:28:30 | iLLf8d | uh |
| 19:28:33 | fontenot | im not good enough for that map |
| 19:29:14 | captain_proton | decks! decks! |
| 19:29:17 | captain_proton | chants |
| 19:29:17 | iLLf8d | ducati or boogie has a 1 or 2 shot no jumping normally |
| 19:29:19 | iLLf8d | ones not ctf |
| 19:29:31 | fontenot | arg |
| 19:29:34 | iLLf8d | its stock tho a bit boring |
| 19:29:37 | fontenot | here is a good example |
| 19:29:50 | iLLf8d | most fields have sketchy connections really |
| 19:29:54 | iLLf8d | nothings coming to mind |
| 19:29:59 | fontenot | exactly |
| 19:30:07 | iLLf8d | accept decks heh |
| 19:30:13 | fontenot | i also hate ppl who play on the same machine as server |
| 19:30:18 | iLLf8d | I like my 79ms lag time there usually |
| 19:30:20 | captain_proton | fontenot: why? |
| 19:30:26 | fontenot | they have like 17ms lag and seen to have a definite advantage |
| 19:30:36 | captain_proton | actually its more like 5ms |
| 19:30:36 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 19:30:42 | iLLf8d | fontenot: yes/no |
| 19:30:44 | fontenot | even they claim their movement is more responsive |
| 19:30:52 | captain_proton | no movement is exactly the same |
| 19:31:01 | captain_proton | because your tank moves locally |
| 19:31:02 | fontenot | and usually, when someone is playing on same machine, it does strange things to server responsiveness |
| 19:31:06 | captain_proton | it doesn't wait for confirmation from the server |
| 19:31:13 | captain_proton | fontenot: tell that to the decks fans =| |
| 19:31:19 | fontenot | things jumo around more |
| 19:31:25 | fontenot | captain_proton: hmm? |
| 19:31:27 | iLLf8d | if someone is laggin really bad their a bitch to shoot even if you have a 17ms lag |
| 19:31:45 | captain_proton | fontenot: i play on my own server - doesn't impact it at all |
| 19:32:05 | iLLf8d | it seems that those who have slightly better lag then the others is where it comes into play more often |
| 19:32:22 | iLLf8d | cause you go head to head and get eeked out sometimes |
| 19:32:38 | iLLf8d | hard to tell alot of good players out there tho |
| 19:32:55 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: you're on a college setup tho right? |
| 19:33:00 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: that i am |
| 19:33:06 | iLLf8d | i'm sure your school has some serious bandwidth |
| 19:33:23 | captain_proton | you could say that |
| 19:33:35 | iLLf8d | alot are on that internet2 thingy |
| 19:33:51 | captain_proton | yep\ |
| 19:34:04 | fontenot | iLLf8d: oh i agree |
| 19:34:10 | fontenot | iLLf8d: not saying that |
| 19:34:32 | iLLf8d | cap you ever see what kinda bandwidth you use with your server? |
| 19:34:49 | iLLf8d | IE what you can safely use before the uni tells you to knock it off |
| 19:35:07 | captain_proton | with a good number of players its about 300k/s |
| 19:35:38 | captain_proton | the uni never tells you to knock it off |
| 19:35:44 | captain_proton | they just bandwidth cap you if you use too much |
| 19:36:19 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 19:36:25 | iLLf8d | yeah that'd suck |
| 19:36:26 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 19:36:38 | iLLf8d | 300k/s is uhm |
| 19:36:39 | iLLf8d | what? |
| 19:36:51 | iLLf8d | I always get my bits bytes etc... confused |
| 19:36:54 | iLLf8d | I get uhm |
| 19:36:57 | captain_proton | kbit |
| 19:37:02 | iLLf8d | 2500/384 |
| 19:37:10 | iLLf8d | so it'd be ok for my up? |
| 19:37:19 | captain_proton | barely |
| 19:37:26 | captain_proton | if you get > 6 players it gets higher |
| 19:37:28 | iLLf8d | how many could I handle |
| 19:37:37 | iLLf8d | so I should set mine at 6 |
| 19:37:39 | captain_proton | in general servers on cable suck |
| 19:38:00 | iLLf8d | hmm well morpheus' server was fine it seemed |
| 19:38:05 | iLLf8d | tho he turned out to be a prick |
| 19:38:07 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:38:19 | captain_proton | it was fairly laggy... |
| 19:38:25 | captain_proton | and yes, he was a prick |
| 19:38:26 | iLLf8d | was fine when I played it |
| 19:38:44 | iLLf8d | I sent him a map or 2 then found out his powertrip ways afterwards |
| 19:39:00 | iLLf8d | he keeps sending his lackies to ask me for new maps and maps converted to degrees |
| 19:39:09 | iLLf8d | fucker |
| 19:39:30 | captain_proton | he has lackies? |
| 19:39:33 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 19:39:40 | iLLf8d | he has yesmen |
| 19:39:40 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:39:46 | captain_proton | wow... |
| 19:39:56 | fontenot | what was the deal with morpheus? |
| 19:39:58 | iLLf8d | the guys that go along with him when he's acting like a dick |
| 19:40:01 | fontenot | i think i have played him |
| 19:40:04 | captain_proton | http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ |
| 19:40:13 | captain_proton | the google people must be bored |
| 19:40:59 | iLLf8d | he runs his own server and for the most part he'll badmouth your play even if he's winning and if you start to beat him you get accused of cheating, or if you do anything he doesn't like he threatens you and says not on his server and kicks you |
| 19:41:02 | iLLf8d | shit like that |
| 19:41:23 | iLLf8d | I came on with e5 |
| 19:41:27 | iLLf8d | it was cvs |
| 19:41:30 | captain_proton | i remember once he pissed me off so i started hunting him |
| 19:41:32 | captain_proton | he kicked me |
| 19:41:35 | iLLf8d | e4 was available as tarball |
| 19:41:53 | iLLf8d | so he said I had a cheat client e5 didn't exist yet |
| 19:41:54 | iLLf8d | and kicked me |
| 19:41:59 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:42:07 | iLLf8d | so I came back in and said fuckyou and explained it to him |
| 19:42:08 | captain_proton | is his server still up? |
| 19:42:17 | iLLf8d | dunno he changed his name |
| 19:42:23 | captain_proton | to what? |
| 19:42:28 | iLLf8d | i'll ask a lackie |
| 19:42:36 | iLLf8d | that redhat guy is one |
| 19:42:43 | iLLf8d | nice guy (or seems to be) |
| 19:42:49 | iLLf8d | dunno why he'd hang out with morp |
| 19:43:03 | iLLf8d | either that or its morph just trying to work me into a free map |
| 19:43:12 | captain_proton | is working up the desire to embarass 'bil' in a league battle |
| 19:43:14 | iLLf8d | fucker can't even download bzedit and make his own |
| 19:43:16 | iLLf8d | weenie |
| 19:43:35 | iLLf8d | cap keep in mind field plays a huge role |
| 19:43:41 | iLLf8d | dunno how you'll do it |
| 19:43:46 | captain_proton | embarass them? |
| 19:43:48 | iLLf8d | if you play your server .... |
| 19:43:58 | iLLf8d | then they'll say you had an advantage |
| 19:44:04 | captain_proton | league battle |
| 19:44:09 | iLLf8d | if you play their server you could get creamed from lag |
| 19:44:11 | iLLf8d | so... |
| 19:44:12 | captain_proton | probably on one of chestal's fields |
| 19:44:36 | captain_proton | besides - i think you, me, and the other meq crew could paste them anywhere ;) |
| 19:44:40 | iLLf8d | I was having touble staying afloat last night against gerb and the bbubanoo |
| 19:44:44 | iLLf8d | or whoever he was |
| 19:44:52 | iLLf8d | usually do better against them |
| 19:45:02 | iLLf8d | then again I don't normally dig in either like they do |
| 19:45:03 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:45:54 | fontenot | that sucks |
| 19:45:57 | fontenot | people suck |
| 19:45:58 | iLLf8d | that gerbs assult laser in the tunnels |
| 19:46:09 | iLLf8d | laser in the duggout with forcefields |
| 19:46:13 | iLLf8d | gm on the tower |
| 19:46:15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:46:22 | iLLf8d | oo anywhere |
| 19:46:23 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 19:46:31 | iLLf8d | that fields is completely setup for weapons |
| 19:46:51 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 19:47:11 | iLLf8d | I think I left with like 12 |
| 19:47:25 | iLLf8d | but was hovering between -3 -> 3 most of the night |
| 19:47:57 | iLLf8d | that other guy was taking some hits tho |
| 19:48:05 | iLLf8d | and publicizing it tho heh |
| 19:48:14 | iLLf8d | he's like you try to beat my -72 =P |
| 19:49:05 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:49:35 | captain_proton | arggg where's valoche? |
| 19:49:50 | captain_proton | up for finishing the new bzflag website? |
| 19:49:53 | captain_proton | =) |
| 19:51:11 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: email addy? |
| 19:53:25 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 19:53:41 | iLLf8d | sure |
| 19:53:41 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 19:55:39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:57:32 | iLLf8d | new flag site? |
| 19:57:38 | captain_proton | bzflag.org/new |
| 19:57:47 | captain_proton | i was working on it, just got sidetracked |
| 19:58:42 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 19:58:57 | iLLf8d | what kinda tech do you have on the server? |
| 19:59:02 | iLLf8d | php? a dbase? |
| 20:04:09 | captain_proton | yep |
| 20:08:50 | iLLf8d | sheesh |
| 20:08:59 | iLLf8d | the terrorist just got their visas yesterday |
| 20:09:02 | iLLf8d | shitheads |
| 20:09:13 | iLLf8d | I guess ins blows |
| 20:17:22 | iLLf8d | hey cap you can you send me a decks that doesn't load funny in bzedit? I think I got mine from sourceforge and its fubared (may be radian based dunno) |
| 20:18:08 | captain_proton | bzedit can convert for ya |
| 20:18:13 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 20:18:19 | iLLf8d | not sure if htats the issue |
| 20:18:23 | iLLf8d | will look in the file |
| 20:18:41 | iLLf8d | yeah thats it will try it |
| 20:19:10 | iLLf8d | worked like a charm =) |
| 20:56:48 | BZFlag | and there is a perl script misc/bzwcvt.pl that converts back and forth. |
| 20:58:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: true |
| 21:39:38 | iLLf8d | hey cap checkout the combolock I made heh |
| 21:40:46 | captain_proton | where? |
| 21:41:07 | iLLf8d | combolock |
| 21:41:10 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:41:13 | iLLf8d | its in the list |
| 21:48:05 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:48:17 | iLLf8d | would be cool for a safe gm base for team games |
| 21:48:17 | captain_proton | so yeah |
| 21:48:34 | captain_proton | do one with 64 or 27 combos and make it the entrance to an elevated laser room |
| 21:48:41 | captain_proton | (do the room with a flag zone) |
| 21:49:06 | iLLf8d | flag zone meaning so it teleports or is a tunnel into a grassy room? |
| 21:49:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 21:49:22 | captain_proton | remember the flag zones thing apathy and i made? |
| 21:49:28 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 21:49:32 | captain_proton | you can define inside the world file where flags appear? |
| 21:49:37 | iLLf8d | oh ok |
| 21:49:38 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:49:44 | iLLf8d | never did that before |
| 21:49:45 | captain_proton | patch on sf |
| 21:49:47 | iLLf8d | is it a mapfile setting? |
| 21:49:53 | iLLf8d | and a patch hmm |
| 21:49:57 | captain_proton | its a new object inside the world file |
| 21:50:16 | captain_proton | you'll also have to go through and convert the world to use {}'s instead of end and all that |
| 21:51:03 | iLLf8d | it'll make it a tough world |
| 21:51:12 | iLLf8d | someone will just camp there forever heh |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <iLLf8d> home study is meant for bzflag |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <jk> lol |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <dano> jk: university I'm guessing? |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <jk> dano: no, one step lower |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <jk> college |
| 22:07:02 | iLLf8d | <dano> is having a college degree a big thing there? |
| 22:07:06 | iLLf8d | <iLLf8d> on a bzflag field no |
| 22:07:08 | iLLf8d | <iLLf8d> we'll killya just the same as the hs grads |
| 22:07:13 | iLLf8d | <jk> dano: depends... |
| 22:07:15 | iLLf8d | <iLLf8d> muwahaha |
| 22:07:16 | iLLf8d | <dano> who's an addict . . . iLLf8d |
| 22:22:34 | Chestal | good evening |
| 23:06:19 | captain_proton | zakk? |
| 23:06:30 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, Don Hopkins is in #icculus.org |
| 23:08:34 | captain_proton | am i supposed to know who that is? |
| 23:09:01 | vogon_jeltz | advocate of pie menus, guy who was working on a native Linux port of the Sims |
| 23:10:18 | captain_proton | ohhhh him |
| 23:16:43 | captain_proton | he's in icculus? |
| 23:16:57 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 23:17:00 | vogon_jeltz | #icculus.org |
| 23:17:12 | vogon_jeltz | he dropped by to yell at one of our regulars |
| 23:17:58 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:25:10 | captain_proton | wait |
| 23:25:15 | captain_proton | that still doesn't explain 'zakk' |
| 23:25:31 | vogon_jeltz | zakk is the regular Hopkins was coming to shout at, and he was wondering when zakk would show up |
| 23:25:52 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 23:26:10 | captain_proton | and you wanted to know what he had to say |
| 23:26:15 | vogon_jeltz | no ;) |
| 23:26:31 | vogon_jeltz | he started suspecting that another of our regulars was zakk in disguise |
| 23:26:31 | captain_proton | is blasting Liszt =) |
| 23:26:51 | vogon_jeltz | so I changed my nick, said "Muwahahah! I am zakk!", and changed back |
| 23:26:56 | captain_proton | what -did- he have to say? |
| 23:27:00 | captain_proton | or do you not know? |
| 23:27:11 | vogon_jeltz | we're blathering about WineX right now |
| 23:52:56 | captain_proton | byebye apathy baby |