irclog2html for bzflag on 2002.02.25

00:19:21vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:46:50)
12:05:11vogon_jeltzis away: sleep
14:50:05CodeWeaverack
15:54:59CodeWeaver/whois CodeWeaver
15:55:08CodeWeaverWhoops :)
15:55:23Chestalhi
15:55:30CodeWeaverHey there.
15:55:59Chestalchannel has been quiet lately
15:56:17CodeWeaverHow long is 'lately'? :)
15:57:03Chestala couple of days, only some dozen lines a day or so
15:57:28CodeWeaverSo what's the status of BZFlag then?
15:57:34CodeWeaver\whois CodeWeaver
15:57:52CodeWeaverWhy won't that work? Stupid Everybuddy client.
15:57:59Chestalwell, it's alive and well
15:58:27Chestalwe hope to do a major release this year with Chris returning to active development
15:58:47CodeWeaverWhat about Tim, what's he been up to?
15:59:06ChestalTim likes to do more intelligent network code
15:59:21CodeWeaverHas he been active lately?
16:00:55Chestalnot during the last days I guess
16:01:16Chestalsome people have to do work they get money for; very sadly I'm one of them ;-)
16:02:06CodeWeaverWell, I know Tim just had a baby (or rather, his wife).
16:02:36ChestalI guess that should keep him busy for a while
16:03:38CodeWeaverWhat is Tim's usual nick in here?  bzflag?
16:03:53Chestalyes, BZFlag
16:08:12CodeWeaverTheoretically, I can set up Everybuddy to alert me when he comes online... theoretically. :)
16:08:40Chestalnever heard of everybuddy, what kind of client is this?
16:09:08CodeWeaverIt's a multi-client.  Includes ICQ, AIM, Yahoo, MSN, Jabber... and now IRC.
16:09:38Chestalah, I'm using gaim for AIM+ICQ, it also has plugins for IRC etc., but I still use good old ircii here
16:09:46Chestalmost importantly, in runs within screen
16:10:19CodeWeaverThat's cool.  Good 'ol text based.
16:10:21Chestalthinks that there shall not be a single shell which isn't controlled by screen :-)
16:11:07CodeWeaverHaven't used screen very much.  I should.
16:11:30ChestalI regretted starting programs outside of screen once too often
16:12:03Chestalhmm, last two joins from BZFlag in my log were at 3:51 and 6:50 CET resp.
16:12:16CodeWeaverSo, it's one of those utilities that once you start using it, you can't remember how you every lived without it eh?
16:13:24Chestalyes, I thought it very strange that screen wasn't selectd in the standard Debian install for a long time, now it it if you choose some of the big packages in tasksel
16:14:42Chestalis waiting for his co-worker to show up so that we can talk and I can go home and eat something
16:15:23CodeWeaverSo as soon as your co-worker gets there, you go home?  Where do you work?
16:30:46CodeWeaverOr rather... what do you do?
18:23:32captain_protonbrawrk...i want tim to show up
18:29:07captain_protoniLLf8d: i put up circ
18:29:42iLLf8dah
18:29:44iLLf8dyou like it?
18:29:46iLLf8dits a bit different
18:30:16captain_protonyeah it is diffent
18:58:28Chestalhmm, my tea's gone cold
18:58:37ChestalCodeWeaver: sorry, I had to rush to a meeting
19:09:17CodeWeavernp
19:11:27ChestalCodeWeaver: I'm workign at the university, I guess you would say I'm a research assistant, not too sure, though.
19:12:20ChestalCodeWaerer: so, I am not doign real work at all :-)
19:12:25CodeWeaverLoL
19:14:08vogon_jeltzis back (gone 07:08:56)
20:05:03captain_protonvogon_jeltz: why is dot not rendering the class heirarchy right from doxygen?
20:06:20captain_protonnevermind...it actually is
20:07:07vogon_jeltzheh
20:07:59captain_protonargg where is timmy?
20:09:23captain_protonwhat was the tool that you were using instead of doxygen?
20:12:16Chestalhmm, to read or to work, that is the question
20:13:40vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: I use doxygen
20:17:27captain_protonvogon_jeltz: i thought you were using some other tool at some point...you described it as a pseudo-ide?
20:20:48vogon_jeltzyeah, Source Navigator
20:20:50vogon_jeltzlemme punch it up
20:21:22vogon_jeltzhttp://sources.redhat.com/sourcenav/
20:22:10captain_protoni've been messing with html tables recently
20:22:44vogon_jeltzk00l
20:22:49captain_protoncare to see what i've done?
20:22:53vogon_jeltzsure
20:23:01captain_protonhttp://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/]
20:23:03captain_protonack
20:23:04captain_protonhttp://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/
20:23:10captain_protonand
20:23:14captain_protonhttp://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/tabs/buildtab.php
20:23:33vogon_jeltzwhoa, that's a cool layout
20:24:09captain_protonall done in tables =)
20:24:13captain_protonno images whatsoever
20:24:13vogon_jeltz:)
20:24:18vogon_jeltzmust steal it
20:24:25captain_protoni'm messing with it atm
20:25:10captain_protonwait - which are you going to steal?
20:25:20vogon_jeltzthe root layout
20:25:53captain_protonahh - the one sans tabs?
20:26:00vogon_jeltzyup
20:26:30Chestalthinks he is looking at another case of HTML being brutally abused
20:26:35captain_protonhahaha
20:26:36captain_protonyes you are
20:26:52Chestallooks nifty, though :-)
20:26:58captain_protonlike the 3d effect?
20:27:06ChestalI wonder if Netscape will display that correctly, though
20:27:14vogon_jeltzSlowzilla does
20:27:24captain_protonns4 doesn't display it right
20:27:32captain_protonbut ns4 is dead
20:27:42Chestalheh, my ns4 just became alive
20:27:46captain_protonpeople either use IE, mozilla or opera now
20:27:48Chestalbut ns always had problems with tables
20:27:56captain_protonall of which display correctly (i think)
20:28:02captain_protonnot sure about opera
20:28:06Chestalkonqueror is used quite frequently, also
20:28:09captain_protonwait - i can check!
20:28:13vogon_jeltzI could theoretically check Opera, but I don't want to
20:28:23Chestaland make that 'browser with gecko engine' instead of mozilla ;-)
20:29:01Chestalheh, at least it looks ok with ns4
20:29:13Chestalnot as fancy, but basically right
20:29:24captain_protonopera is Very Nearly Correct[tm]
20:29:37Chestalhas Opera finally turned into a usable browser?
20:29:41captain_protonno
20:29:50ChestalI haven't tried the newest flavour, but some months ago it sucked
20:29:50captain_protonit renders the tabs perfectly, and the other one close
20:29:55vogon_jeltzwants to try the captain_proton(tm) table system
20:29:59captain_protonhaha vogon_jeltz
20:30:10Chestalcapt: are these pages auto-generated?
20:30:14vogon_jeltzmy Web content is seriously bland :)
20:30:34vogon_jeltzit loads incredibly quickly (no images), but it's bland-looking
20:31:28captain_protonChestal: the tabs one is close to auto-generated
20:31:33captain_protoni have a php tab class
20:31:46captain_protonyou just create and call getHTML(selected, first, last)
20:38:17captain_protongot one of the 'buttons' done =)
20:38:43vogon_jeltzwhen can I steal^H^H^H^H^H use it?
20:38:57captain_protonnow they're all done
20:39:12captain_protonyou can use it whenever you like but it'll just get cooler as i hack at it
20:39:22vogon_jeltzheh
20:40:36captain_protonhrm i should make those buttons blue
20:43:25captain_protonmmm...a little better...
20:44:49captain_protonbleh
20:45:42captain_protonvogon_jeltz: i want to see what you can do with the captain_proton[tm] table system
20:45:47vogon_jeltzheh
20:45:52vogon_jeltzI'll get on it in a second
20:52:30captain_protonhrm a chessboard =)
21:04:06captain_protonooh purdy
21:04:22captain_protonhttp://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/chess/
21:04:37vogon_jeltzmeh, maybe later
21:04:39vogon_jeltzplays T2
21:05:05Chestalcapt: doesn't look right in my Galeon
21:05:21Chestalcapt: I see a vertical stripe which is two checkers wide
21:11:52Si\iKLhmm
21:12:30captain_protonChestal: yes thats not the reall chessboard
21:12:35captain_protonChestal: i'm messing around
21:12:45captain_protonChestal: http://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/chess/board.html
21:13:42Si\iKLmines all white?
21:13:46Si\iKLI wanna see it
21:13:49Si\iKLI WANN!
21:13:51Si\iKLA
21:13:52Si\iKLheh
21:14:16Si\iKLtries one of the other 6 browser he also runs
21:14:23captain_protonSi\iKL: try mozilla
21:14:43Chestalcapt: ok, that looks like I remember a chessboard
21:15:14Si\iKLuhm
21:15:54captain_protonhehe
21:15:54Chestaltry galeon, it's Gecko with a usable GUI
21:15:56Si\iKLwhat are we looking at?
21:16:01Si\iKLI used opera
21:16:08captain_protonSi\iKL: opera isn't the greatest
21:16:12captain_protoniLLf8d: do you have mozilla?
21:16:19captain_protoni'm having fun with tables
21:16:28Chestalthe Mozilla UI really sucks, never seenanythign that slow
21:16:34iLLf8dyeah
21:16:38iLLf8dwell...
21:16:41iLLf8dI may be lying
21:16:48iLLf8dcan have gf go there with ie
21:16:49iLLf8d=P
21:17:01iLLf8dI see a checkerboard
21:17:05iLLf8dis a table guru heh
21:17:27captain_protonChestal: 0.9.8 is really very fast
21:17:42captain_protoniLLf8d: http://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/
21:18:23iLLf8dk
21:18:27Chestalcaptain: I really doubt that, the gecko renderign engine might be ok speedwise, but not rest of the browser
21:18:30iLLf8dyou doing the graphics all with tables?
21:18:36Chestalexcept they imporved performance by a factor of 50
21:18:48Chestalbut with galeon it's quite nice
21:19:00iLLf8dbetter question is why
21:19:02iLLf8dheh
21:19:04iLLf8d=P
21:19:11iLLf8deasier just to put in graphics
21:19:13Chestalcapt: how about a program which takes a bitmap image and converts that into html :-)
21:19:17captain_protonChestal: i don't notice any latency in it
21:19:21captain_protonhehe
21:19:24captain_protoniLLf8d: its FUN
21:19:28iLLf8dlol
21:19:37iLLf8ddude you really have your proton hat on today dontya
21:19:41iLLf8dI was talkin about you on decks
21:19:45iLLf8doh halo says hi
21:19:47iLLf8dheh
21:19:54iLLf8dthey asked whre you wre
21:19:56iLLf8dwere
21:20:01iLLf8dI said you were working on your image
21:20:27Chestalcapt: the slowest part of Mozilla used to be the dialogs controlling blocked images, cookies etc.
21:20:33iLLf8dbringing chicks back to the mothership isn't workin as well for you as it used too
21:20:43Chestalthose could take 30s to show when you've got a list of say 100 cookie sites
21:20:48iLLf8dthe mothership being a pinto with flames on it
21:21:15captain_protonChestal: 0.3s
21:21:18iLLf8dthe slowest part of mozilla is compiling it
21:21:22captain_protonChestal: and i have loads of cookies
21:22:05Chestalcapt: hmm, 0.9.7 was abysmally slow with that
21:24:07Chestal0.9.7+ takes 4s to open cookie dialog with 60 cookie sites
21:24:39Chestalgaleon need 0.02s or so for the same task
21:26:22Chestal8s with mozilla 0.9.8. on a slower machine (P-III 700 instead of Athlon-1300)
21:26:50Chestalcapt: I've never seenit run fast onany machine. Are you using 0.9.8 or a newer CVS?
21:27:36Chestalthought mozilla's GUI was so slow because of it's evil javascript-parsed XML
21:28:19captain_protonhehe
21:28:26captain_protoni still like mozilla
21:28:30captain_protonits awfully snappy on my system
21:28:34Chestalhave you tried galeon?
21:28:37captain_protonyeah
21:28:40captain_protoni like mozilla =)
21:28:44Chestalwhat is your system? I can't believe it's snappy on yours
21:28:56captain_protonp4 1.7
21:28:58Chestalthat Athlon-1300 I tried isn't that slow
21:29:08Chestalyou're now on Windows I assume
21:29:15ChestalGUI feels faster on windows
21:29:26captain_protonno linux
21:29:32Chestalhmm, strange
21:29:41Chestaloh well, I like galeon better anyway
21:29:58Chestalmust upgrade my debian to sid one of these days
21:42:16captain_protonanybody want a chess layout for their homepage?
21:43:32captain_protonahahahaha
21:43:33captain_protonits 60k
21:43:37captain_protonof html
22:05:20vogon_jeltzhttp://icculus.org/~vogon
22:05:33vogon_jeltznow with the captain_proton(tm) table system
22:07:07captain_protonyou screwed it up with the default links & stuff
22:07:12captain_protonand the big text
22:07:20vogon_jeltzbah
22:07:25vogon_jeltzI'll crank down the font size
22:07:33vogon_jeltzyou happy now, you big baby?
22:07:35vogon_jeltz;)
22:07:38captain_protonhehe
22:07:46captain_protonhttp://bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org:7999/3d/chess/
22:07:54iLL_BZFlagdude before I wasn't trying to be a dick
22:08:09iLL_BZFlagjust saying agressor more often gets butt kicked
22:08:21captain_protontrue
22:08:35iLL_BZFlagyou took it completely the wrong way I could tell heh
22:08:40captain_protonerm
22:08:41captain_protonwait
22:08:49captain_protonwhat did you say? i left because my hands got cold
22:08:54iLL_BZFlaghuh?
22:09:02captain_protondid you say something right as i left?
22:09:05iLL_BZFlagno
22:09:13captain_protonis confused
22:09:15iLL_BZFlagnot to my recollection
22:09:19captain_protonFUCK
22:09:23iLL_BZFlagwas kinda surprised you left
22:09:31iLL_BZFlagthoguth it was your connection issues
22:09:40iLL_BZFlagwhat was up with that?
22:09:46captain_protoni'm missing class
22:10:09iLL_BZFlagcya
22:10:14vogon_jeltzbye
22:10:34iLL_BZFlagless its a 50min jobby
22:10:37iLL_BZFlagthen you're screwed
22:56:50captain_protonyes it was 50 minutes =/
22:57:32captain_protoni'll get notes for the first 15 minutes from a friend later

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