| 08:13:46 | MrApathyCream | two servers with decks |
| 08:29:54 | captain_proton | two?! |
| 08:43:33 | iLLf8d | yeah yours and the good one |
| 08:43:35 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 08:43:36 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:43:40 | iLLf8d | MUWAHAHA |
| 08:44:06 | captain_proton | haha mine IS the good one |
| 08:44:14 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:44:17 | captain_proton | no flags forces people to actually have skill |
| 08:44:32 | iLLf8d | yeah I was doing ok the other night |
| 08:44:40 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 08:44:57 | iLLf8d | alot of people don't know to check radar and vacate the ground from time to time |
| 08:45:03 | captain_proton | the new one is *really* laggy |
| 08:45:12 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:45:18 | iLLf8d | lemme revise decks |
| 08:45:19 | captain_proton | yep - radar fingers get a lot of exercise |
| 08:45:25 | captain_proton | revise? |
| 08:45:27 | iLLf8d | i'll make a circular one |
| 08:45:29 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:45:35 | iLLf8d | same patern tho |
| 08:45:48 | iLLf8d | or maybe not circular but hex shaped etc.... |
| 08:46:19 | iLLf8d | same number of decks and same offsets altitude wise |
| 08:46:25 | captain_proton | sure go for it |
| 08:46:56 | iLLf8d | actually writing a dbase tonight but i'll get to it soon enough |
| 08:49:26 | MrApathyCream | still think wouldbe good to have stealth |
| 08:53:45 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ha |
| 09:00:38 | iLLf8d | rapid fire =) |
| 09:00:45 | iLLf8d | every field needs rapid fire |
| 11:14:36 | lupinator | moin |
| 11:16:45 | Chestal | hi lupi |
| 11:17:27 | Chestal | da laeuft der server gerade mal 2 Minuten, schon joint einer, tsts :-) |
| 11:18:20 | Chestal | 2574.61 packets/s max |
| 11:22:37 | lupinator | hab mir heut mal meine zivi stelle angeschaut |
| 11:23:13 | Chestal | Verweigerugn steht schon fest? |
| 11:23:14 | lupinator | ich werd wohl noch genug zeit zum spielen haben |
| 11:23:26 | lupinator | mus ich noch schreiben |
| 11:23:33 | Chestal | wie lang ist das jetzt? |
| 11:23:42 | lupinator | 10 monate |
| 11:24:40 | Chestal | wann gehts dann los? Juli? |
| 11:25:13 | Chestal | hab jetzt auf 5155 erstmal denselben servercode wie auf 5156 laufen |
| 11:25:33 | Chestal | das throttling ist noch net gut genug erforscht |
| 11:25:40 | lupinator | entweder oktober oder naechtes jahr |
| 11:27:30 | lupinator | wie langwolltest du die pakete denn zurueckhalten? |
| 11:29:27 | Chestal | weiss nicht |
| 11:29:45 | Chestal | momentan ist das server throtling ja nur ein Ersatz fuer fehlenedes client-throttling |
| 11:29:58 | Chestal | besser waere ja ein individuelles Throttling pro Ziel |
| 11:30:22 | Chestal | aber das geht wohl nicht ohne neuen netcode, da man dafuer einfach mehr Informationen ueber die einzelnen Verbindungen haben muss |
| 11:30:35 | Chestal | im Moment beschraenk ich damit einfachdie maximale Datenrate auf z.Z. 25 Pakete/s |
| 11:30:50 | Chestal | also MsgPlayerUpdate pro Player wohlgemerkt |
| 11:31:19 | Chestal | d.h. max. Verzoegerung waer dann 1/25s=0.04s |
| 11:31:46 | Chestal | zuletzt hatt ich ja dran gearbeitetr, allgemein schwankende Verzoegerungen zu kompensieren, hat aber nicht gut funktioniert |
| 11:31:50 | lupinator | ach du laesst sie einfach fallen? |
| 11:32:07 | Chestal | nein |
| 11:32:21 | Chestal | man muss erst mal throttlign im client und im server unterscheiden |
| 11:32:24 | Chestal | im Cleint ists leicht |
| 11:32:33 | Chestal | Server ist aufwendiger, weil einfach wegschmeissen geht nicht |
| 11:32:58 | Chestal | server leitet Paket nich tweiter, wenn das letzte juenger als 0.04s ist (und keine Statusaenderungen eingetreten sind) |
| 11:33:30 | Chestal | wenn dann aber seit dem letzten Paket 0.04s vergangen sind und welche nicht weitergeleitet wurden, dann wird das juengste zeitverzoegert doch noch rausgeschickt |
| 11:33:51 | Chestal | wenn man das im CLient macht, bracuht man das nicht, das ergibt sich dann automatisch |
| 11:34:00 | Chestal | ich mus sim server also Pakete zwischenspeichern |
| 11:35:06 | lupinator | sendet der client auch wenn er auf der gleichen kreisbahn faehrt? |
| 11:35:14 | Chestal | nein, nur 1mal pro Sekunde |
| 11:35:18 | Chestal | das nennt sich 'dead reckoning' |
| 11:35:45 | Chestal | d.h. er ueberprueft, ob die Positionsprognose unter Annahme konstanter Kreisbahn nicht zu stark von seiner akutellen Position abweicht |
| 11:36:15 | Chestal | die Toleranzen da sidn allerdings sehr klein, man kann auch ueberlegen, an denen zu drehen |
| 11:36:28 | Chestal | man muesste halt mal sehen, wie viele Pakete das einspart und wie stark das stoert |
| 11:36:51 | iLLf8d | hey hey hey |
| 11:36:53 | lupinator | man kann ja mal testen wie empfindlich das ist |
| 11:37:00 | iLLf8d | keep that in a query window sheesh |
| 11:37:24 | Chestal | ill: heh, it's good for you, when you read long enough you might learn German :-) |
| 11:37:27 | iLLf8d | otherwise let me eavesdrop by speaking english |
| 11:38:03 | Chestal | lupinator: the question is how to do the testing |
| 11:38:32 | iLLf8d | danke right? |
| 11:38:34 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 11:38:56 | iLLf8d | dankeschoen? |
| 11:38:57 | Chestal | lupinator: a) just play and observe b) try to add some metric c) I think you had the idea of vreatign a ghost tank, i.e. oen tank with and one without throttling |
| 11:38:57 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 11:39:02 | Chestal | 'danke' is fine |
| 11:39:40 | lupinator | Chestal: just look at your count rate. i'll drive a few circles |
| 11:40:30 | Chestal | lupinator: ok, that's the other side, counting the packets |
| 11:40:57 | lupinator | how much did that produce? |
| 12:37:30 | bz-akira | moin |
| 12:37:32 | bz-akira | hello |
| 12:37:43 | lupinator | hi kaira |
| 12:37:53 | bz-akira | lang nich mehr gesehen |
| 12:38:01 | bz-akira | wieder ein turnier in planung ? |
| 12:38:23 | lupinator | mehr oder weniger ne liga |
| 12:39:25 | bz-akira | is da ? |
| 12:39:26 | bz-akira | wo ? |
| 12:39:27 | bz-akira | kann |
| 12:39:30 | bz-akira | ich mitmachen ? |
| 12:39:31 | bz-akira | :() |
| 12:39:33 | bz-akira | :) |
| 12:39:53 | lupinator | chestal hat was ins forum geschrieben |
| 12:40:24 | bz-akira | wohin ? |
| 12:40:26 | bz-akira | in welches ? |
| 12:40:31 | lupinator | bzflag.de |
| 12:40:59 | bz-akira | welches ? |
| 12:41:02 | bz-akira | survey `? |
| 12:41:11 | lupinator | du kennst dich doch auch mit c++, bz aus, oser? |
| 12:41:17 | lupinator | allgemein |
| 12:41:19 | bz-akira | n bisschen |
| 12:41:34 | bz-akira | jamming is basicly from me :) |
| 12:41:48 | lupinator | ich will die fps anzeige fuer packets/s missbrauchen |
| 12:42:11 | lupinator | in PlayerLink.cxx hab ich: |
| 12:42:29 | lupinator | hud->setFPS(float(packetCount) / cumTime); |
| 12:42:42 | lupinator | ergibt: |
| 12:42:45 | lupinator | PlayerLink.cxx: In method `void PlayerLink::sendPlayerUpdate(const Player *)': |
| 12:42:45 | lupinator | PlayerLink.cxx:243: `hud' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 12:42:45 | lupinator | PlayerLink.cxx:243: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 12:42:46 | lupinator | PlayerLink.cxx:243: for each function it appears in.) |
| 12:43:17 | bz-akira | query |
| 12:43:42 | lupinator | #include "HUDRenderer.h" |
| 12:43:58 | lupinator | hab ich os aus vermutung reingesetzt |
| 12:44:24 | lupinator | hast du ne ahnung was ich falsch mach? |
| 12:45:00 | bz-akira | query |
| 12:45:05 | bz-akira | geh mit mir aufs query |
| 12:45:15 | lupinator | query? |
| 13:47:52 | bz-akira | cu all |
| 14:26:38 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 14:41:25 | MrApathyCream | nite... heh... its morning! |
| 14:41:38 | Chestal | morning, night - what's the difference |
| 15:00:27 | MrApathyCream | :) yup |
| 15:00:35 | MrApathyCream | nite all! |
| 15:00:37 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 15:00:39 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TAC2 |
| 17:52:53 | vogon_jeltz | is away: some sleep |
| 18:02:33 | Zdog | is there a better robots out there for bzflag |
| 18:02:52 | captain_proton | not really |
| 18:03:06 | captain_proton | Chestal wrote some but they only work on 2shot non-jumping servers |
| 18:03:32 | Chestal | yep, and they're a hack code-wise |
| 18:03:40 | captain_proton | oh hey Chestal |
| 18:03:43 | Chestal | it's not easy to do otherwise with the current code, though |
| 18:04:04 | Zdog | lol |
| 18:04:19 | captain_proton | well....bzflag is a hack code-wise atm |
| 18:04:21 | Zdog | ahh, b/c the robots really suck |
| 18:04:23 | Chestal | well, actually they canhandle any number of shots |
| 18:04:29 | tad | lol |
| 18:04:30 | Zdog | they blow up, without being shot ar |
| 18:04:33 | Zdog | at* |
| 18:04:39 | tad | nwhy do they do that? |
| 18:04:46 | captain_proton | Chestal: true...but they don't play too well at 10 |
| 18:04:48 | Chestal | and my bots can also handle jumping, i.e. they know how to shoot jumping players |
| 18:04:57 | Chestal | they won't jump themselves, though |
| 18:04:59 | tad | where can I get your bots? |
| 18:05:16 | Zdog | tad, clam down |
| 18:05:19 | tad | we need them for monkey_boys server |
| 18:05:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah - and with 10 shots, they need to jump |
| 18:05:30 | Chestal | tad: I don't think you really want them |
| 18:05:41 | Zdog | believe me, he does |
| 18:05:42 | Chestal | I can give you a .tgz of the sourcew files I changed |
| 18:06:07 | Chestal | but it's really 'do not try this at home' code |
| 18:06:08 | tad | yes I do |
| 18:06:26 | tad | I have a linux box I could compile them on |
| 18:06:42 | Zdog | lol, tad, deep breaths, it is only robots |
| 18:07:02 | tad | yes I know but I would like onet that dont blow up |
| 18:07:20 | tad | monkey_boy is coming too |
| 18:07:33 | Chestal | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/bots.tgz if you like |
| 18:07:35 | Zdog | without being shot at u mean |
| 18:07:51 | Chestal | they do not move except to avoid shots |
| 18:07:53 | Chestal | they're boring |
| 18:07:57 | Chestal | they cannot handle lag |
| 18:08:00 | tad | yes |
| 18:08:08 | tad | got it |
| 18:08:11 | Chestal | but they're damn tough on a server with only a few shots |
| 18:08:28 | tad | is it a new client? |
| 18:08:44 | Chestal | each bot is run as a single client |
| 18:08:55 | tad | wants to thank chestal for the link |
| 18:08:58 | Chestal | I guess a README is included |
| 18:09:18 | tad | yes |
| 18:09:21 | Zdog | hey cap |
| 18:09:48 | Zdog | did u make a windows based world maker for bz, yet?? |
| 18:09:59 | captain_proton | not me, but someone ported it |
| 18:10:04 | captain_proton | its not really available though |
| 18:10:09 | tad | says cu later |
| 18:10:17 | Zdog | u know, the one u talked about in bzfalg.de's forum |
| 18:10:24 | Zdog | oh |
| 18:10:29 | Zdog | who has it?? |
| 18:10:44 | captain_proton | a guy named jeff |
| 18:10:51 | Zdog | ahh, no idea |
| 18:11:51 | Zdog | does it work on windows, for person not very educated in computers |
| 18:12:14 | captain_proton | his version works on windows |
| 18:12:24 | captain_proton | we're working on combining them |
| 18:12:48 | Zdog | ok, it is possible, when u r done, tell me about it?? |
| 18:13:27 | captain_proton | ya |
| 18:13:55 | Zdog | thank u |
| 18:15:45 | Chestal | hmm, m0nkey joined the wrong channel :-) |
| 18:17:38 | captain_proton | Chestal: ? |
| 18:19:22 | Chestal | he was on #unixag for some seconds |
| 18:19:54 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:23:44 | tad | ok how do I compile it? |
| 18:23:49 | tad | :) |
| 18:24:03 | Chestal | never compiled bz? |
| 18:24:10 | tad | nope |
| 18:24:12 | tad | nI am now |
| 18:24:23 | tad | at least going to |
| 18:24:28 | captain_proton | hehe...bz is a 1000 pound gorilla to compile and install |
| 18:24:29 | Chestal | start by just compiling normal bzflag client |
| 18:24:35 | tad | ok |
| 18:24:45 | Chestal | I assume you already have the complete bzflag source? |
| 18:24:51 | tad | I think |
| 18:24:53 | tad | nhold on |
| 18:25:01 | Chestal | make ; make linux-386; make (for linux platform) |
| 18:25:15 | lupinator | or just |
| 18:25:18 | lupinator | make linux all |
| 18:25:25 | tad | nok |
| 18:25:32 | tad | man keep typing n |
| 18:25:35 | tad | ok |
| 18:25:47 | tad | then... |
| 18:28:14 | lupinator | if xou want to play |
| 18:28:18 | lupinator | bin/bzflag |
| 18:28:29 | lupinator | don't know how chestal's bots work |
| 18:28:30 | tad | ok |
| 18:28:37 | tad | compiling |
| 18:29:16 | tad | I all ready have bzflag install from an rpm |
| 18:29:36 | Chestal | tad: that's no problem, just compile and test the compiled version with bin/bzflag |
| 18:29:40 | tad | ok |
| 18:30:24 | tad | still compiling |
| 18:30:40 | tad | now I will have the e4 version |
| 18:31:13 | tad | what is the FlagEntryZone that is posted on the top of screen |
| 18:31:15 | tad | ? |
| 18:31:46 | captain_proton | tad: its something apathy and I hacked up |
| 18:32:15 | tad | what is it |
| 18:32:24 | Chestal | the patchs seems useful for custom maps |
| 18:32:28 | tad | the flags can get put where you want them? |
| 18:32:41 | tad | tankenstien was talking about that |
| 18:33:32 | tad | its compiled now |
| 18:33:41 | tad | nbut /bin/bzflag dont work |
| 18:34:41 | captain_proton | yep |
| 18:34:45 | tad | oh |
| 18:34:50 | tad | I have to install it |
| 18:34:54 | tad | I see |
| 18:35:02 | tad | say no data folder |
| 18:35:10 | tad | slaps tad around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:35:28 | tad | hits his head on the desk |
| 18:35:36 | tad | says cool |
| 18:35:46 | tad | wonders whats next? |
| 18:36:12 | Chestal | taD: it shoudld work without installing |
| 18:36:18 | Chestal | just make sure you are in bzflag/ |
| 18:36:26 | Chestal | and do bin/bzflag |
| 18:36:35 | Chestal | it should look into the data/ directory for the files |
| 18:36:59 | Chestal | if not, you can try the -directory switch, but that's not necessary, when you're in the correct directoty |
| 18:37:35 | Chestal | if you want to turn bzflag executable into bots, follow the instructions in the bot readme |
| 18:37:42 | tad | ok |
| 18:37:46 | tad | nit works |
| 18:37:47 | Chestal | basically you have to replace a couple of source files by the one in the bots archive |
| 18:37:59 | Chestal | and then do 'make' |
| 18:38:00 | tad | ok |
| 18:38:07 | tad | let me try |
| 18:38:35 | tad | how do I install the new version? |
| 18:38:46 | tad | I had to type in directory |
| 18:39:01 | Chestal | I guess there's a 'make install' or something |
| 18:39:19 | Chestal | but it might use different directories than your rpm version |
| 18:39:45 | tad | cool |
| 18:39:56 | Chestal | waah, for soem reason I can't cross-compile bzfs anymore (two different Linux systems) |
| 18:41:16 | Chestal | but I don't have the slightest idea why, it worked 2 weeks ago and AFAIK neither ofthe systems changes |
| 18:41:26 | tad | ok |
| 18:41:35 | tad | I just type in make |
| 18:41:39 | tad | nright? |
| 18:42:21 | tad | ok |
| 18:42:50 | tad | cu later I will try making it and compiling it |
| 18:42:59 | Chestal | good luck :-) |
| 18:43:01 | tad | meet you out there |
| 18:43:03 | tad | nlol |
| 18:49:57 | Chestal | this is very odd |
| 18:50:04 | captain_proton | ? |
| 18:50:21 | Chestal | I used to compile bzfs on my local linux box and start it on antoher (ducati) |
| 18:50:35 | Chestal | now it just dumps core when I start it, rns fine on local machine |
| 18:50:40 | captain_proton | weird |
| 18:50:46 | Chestal | the old executable I compiled 2 weeks ago still runs fine |
| 18:51:01 | Chestal | and AFAIK none of the two machine shas been updated |
| 18:52:15 | Chestal | huh, now it suddenly works? |
| 18:52:22 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 18:52:50 | Chestal | I waws using scp to copy the binary |
| 18:53:05 | captain_proton | and that affected it?!?! |
| 18:53:06 | Chestal | overwriting the old one in the process, I checked tiem and size with ls |
| 18:53:22 | Chestal | now I used rm to erase it before usign scp, now it works |
| 18:53:41 | captain_proton | bizzare |
| 18:56:07 | Chestal | oh my, I'll just accept it and not complain :-) |
| 19:41:03 | tad | hello |
| 20:06:27 | tad | quit cuz I need to |
| 20:35:18 | captain_proton | ibot, help |
| 20:35:56 | | captain_proton: There isn't any problem |
| 20:35:56 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 20:36:05 | | captain_proton: ..disk or the processor is on fire. |
| 20:36:05 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 20:49:22 | | captain_proton: CPU-angle has to be adjusted because of vibrations coming from the nearby road |
| 20:49:22 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 21:46:05 | | captain_proton: The co-locator cannot verify the frame-relay gateway to the ISDN server. |
| 21:46:05 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 21:46:34 | Chestal | thsi excuse function is cool |
| 21:46:39 | captain_proton | yep :) |
| 21:47:50 | | Chestal: User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI. |
| 21:47:50 | Chestal | ibot, excuse |
| 21:48:06 | Chestal | oops, how can ibot know? |
| 21:52:28 | Chestal | captain: have some spare time for a test? join ducati 5157 |
| 22:24:03 | BZFlag | ibot is all knowing. ;-) |
| 22:27:41 | Chestal | is experimenting with ghost tanks :-) |
| 22:28:00 | Chestal | join ducati 5157 if you want to be a ghost |
| 22:55:24 | captain_proton | sorry ok i'm coming now |
| 22:58:47 | captain_proton | game is full? |
| 22:58:52 | Chestal | try again |
| 22:59:02 | captain_proton | i'm done with that :) |
| 22:59:07 | captain_proton | i'm watching monty python |
| 22:59:20 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 23:19:33 | Chestal | good n8 everyone |
| 23:19:43 | captain_proton | night night |
| 23:59:50 | captain_proton | hi MrApathyCream |