| 00:05:24 | BZFlag | http://www.guistuff.com/ looks like crap in my browser. |
| 01:57:06 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 01:57:08 | iLLf8d | is having hardware issues |
| 01:57:12 | iLLf8d | =( |
| 01:57:14 | iLLf8d | seems that my bzflag locks up almost right away now |
| 01:57:16 | iLLf8d | nothings ever easy |
| 01:58:19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what exactly *is* guistuff.com? |
| 01:59:13 | iLLf8d | I was pointing out the table boarders etc.... |
| 01:59:24 | iLLf8d | the cool shadowed interface etc... |
| 01:59:34 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: yeah i've done those before |
| 01:59:34 | iLLf8d | those are grapics that go in a table |
| 01:59:38 | captain_proton | has become a minimalist |
| 01:59:41 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 01:59:42 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:00:00 | iLLf8d | checkout gentoo.org very minimal but useable I think |
| 02:00:01 | captain_proton | things like that just take too long to download on slower connections |
| 02:00:19 | captain_proton | check out http://www.bzflag.org/new ;) |
| 02:00:20 | iLLf8d | and somewhat ascetically pleasing |
| 02:00:44 | iLLf8d | hopefully my machine won't locl up again |
| 02:01:01 | iLLf8d | i'm gonna pull out my soundcard and see what happens |
| 02:01:27 | iLLf8d | looks nice |
| 02:01:29 | captain_proton | so iLLf8d you want to help out on the site? |
| 02:01:33 | iLLf8d | a bit simpler then I like but nice |
| 02:01:57 | captain_proton | the real magic is going to be on the back end |
| 02:02:01 | iLLf8d | definatly, gotta get the hardware issues and a reload done but sure i'll be available later this week |
| 02:02:13 | iLLf8d | and would like to contribute |
| 02:02:21 | iLLf8d | also that docbook deally will look into that too |
| 02:02:37 | iLLf8d | i'm not overly php savy |
| 02:02:38 | captain_proton | what I really need help with is getting all the old content rewritten into the new interface (language cleanups mostly) |
| 02:02:45 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 02:02:47 | iLLf8d | can do |
| 02:02:58 | iLLf8d | just gotta tell me what kinda format you want |
| 02:03:32 | captain_proton | well once you see how the pages are created you'll see the format |
| 02:03:39 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 02:03:50 | iLLf8d | aren't they just includes? |
| 02:04:06 | captain_proton | php |
| 02:04:14 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 02:08:12 | iLLf8d | I hate it when there aren't any error logs |
| 02:08:33 | iLLf8d | they should put another computer in there just to monitor the mobo =P |
| 02:08:58 | captain_proton | you could hook up a terminal on serial and monitor it that way |
| 02:09:10 | iLLf8d | howssat? |
| 02:09:41 | iLLf8d | you think the freeze is xwindows only? |
| 02:09:45 | iLLf8d | nothing shows in the xlog |
| 02:10:01 | captain_proton | if the freeze is xwin you should still be able to switch back to console |
| 02:10:06 | iLLf8d | do you understand all the fancy bios options? |
| 02:10:17 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: depends on which fancy options your talking about |
| 02:10:19 | iLLf8d | not I tried that console wouldn't work either |
| 02:10:28 | iLLf8d | theres so many uhm |
| 02:10:35 | iLLf8d | fram buffer post something |
| 02:10:40 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: then your problem is somewhere in the krenel or the hardware |
| 02:10:45 | iLLf8d | amdk6 allocation something |
| 02:10:51 | iLLf8d | I forget theres about a dozen of them |
| 02:10:54 | captain_proton | doesn't know about amd specifics |
| 02:11:00 | iLLf8d | well the kernel was working fine |
| 02:11:09 | iLLf8d | I just took out an offboard ata card |
| 02:11:19 | iLLf8d | and moved the drive to the onboard ide |
| 02:11:47 | iLLf8d | I was looking in proc doesn't look like anything is sharing the same resources so... |
| 02:12:09 | iLLf8d | the vga bios shadow |
| 02:12:36 | iLLf8d | I should writem all down and keep querying people till I know whats what, I've downloaded the bios references before but they're cryptic as hell |
| 02:12:43 | iLLf8d | and often don't show useable ranges |
| 02:12:52 | iLLf8d | the default pci clocks are 0 |
| 02:12:58 | iLLf8d | but I think I had 32 set before |
| 02:13:05 | iLLf8d | pci latency |
| 02:13:13 | iLLf8d | dunno if that effects agp or not |
| 02:13:44 | iLLf8d | I think i'll rebuild my kernel first and take out the extra support I no longer need and see what happens |
| 02:19:32 | iLLf8d | it was a stable kernel before and hardware |
| 02:19:35 | iLLf8d | till I moved crap |
| 02:19:45 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:20:39 | iLLf8d | maybe the promise ata drivers are freaking cause theres no card anymore |
| 02:20:40 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:43:52 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 08:03:30) |
| 06:04:11 | bradi | Will the Linux sources compile on BSD? |
| 06:09:39 | bradi | Or is there even a BSD port? |
| 06:09:46 | bradi | NetBSD? |
| 06:24:15 | BZFlag | bradi: they should, yes. |
| 06:24:19 | bradi | Cool. |
| 06:24:31 | BZFlag | I think there is a version in ports on freebsd |
| 06:24:42 | bradi | Ah, well, I have NetBSD. |
| 06:25:05 | BZFlag | I jsut mention as the freebsd might be closer if you have issues building. |
| 06:25:18 | BZFlag | I think we have rolled in all the patches for *bsd |
| 06:25:19 | bradi | Yeah, that's true. Thanks. |
| 06:27:22 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:27:34 | iLLf8d | is ready to take out the pc sledge and start wailing away |
| 06:30:43 | iLLf8d | brb gotta restart |
| 07:06:50 | crs23 | BZFlag: thanks for the cvs info. i had already done the adds/removes. i'm about to upload the patch. |
| 07:07:10 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Chris |
| 07:08:30 | crs23 | hey there, colin |
| 07:08:38 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 07:08:57 | vogon_jeltz | BTW, you might wanna talk to happypuppy about the version of BZFlag they have |
| 07:09:00 | vogon_jeltz | 1.7d9 |
| 07:09:35 | vogon_jeltz | and it's a demo, too... blech |
| 07:09:52 | crs23 | hmm, i think tim should do it! |
| 07:09:55 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:10:04 | captain_proton | wb crs23 |
| 07:10:44 | crs23 | hi. i'm just preparing to upload the patch. 350kB gzipped! |
| 07:10:49 | vogon_jeltz | wow |
| 07:10:51 | captain_proton | and 2 friends just consumed 2 large pizzas in about 15 minutes |
| 07:10:54 | captain_proton | crs23: yay! |
| 07:10:59 | vogon_jeltz | what patch? :P |
| 07:11:14 | vogon_jeltz | has been away from the BZFlag community for the past week and a half or so |
| 07:11:21 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: the k-l33t changes :) |
| 07:11:36 | vogon_jeltz | wow, that is *so* descriptive |
| 07:11:36 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yeah, right after you promised to write 2 functions =/ |
| 07:11:42 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: dude... |
| 07:11:48 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: scroll *up* |
| 07:12:14 | vogon_jeltz | my scrollback only goes 300 lines back |
| 07:12:14 | captain_proton | unloads another 12-pack of cokes into the fridge |
| 07:12:33 | captain_proton | hmmm let me try to find some highlights |
| 07:13:20 | captain_proton | <crs23> i've replaced the scene graph/rendering engine and made a file format for 3D models |
| 07:13:20 | captain_proton | <BZFlag> you planning the network changes we've been talking about? |
| 07:13:20 | captain_proton | <BZFlag> sweet! |
| 07:13:20 | captain_proton | <crs23> yes, i'm going to rewrite the network code. |
| 07:13:24 | vogon_jeltz | wow |
| 07:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | holy shiznit... :) |
| 07:13:48 | vogon_jeltz | might have to get back into coding ;) |
| 07:14:12 | vogon_jeltz | I'm currently busying myself with a far-too-complex linked list implementation in C |
| 07:14:22 | vogon_jeltz | just for time-killing purposes |
| 07:14:41 | captain_proton | time killing? TIME KILLING?!?! |
| 07:14:44 | captain_proton | slaps vogon_jeltz |
| 07:15:01 | vogon_jeltz | TIME KILLING!!!!!111 |
| 07:15:05 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:15:35 | captain_proton | what happened to apathy? he hasn't been in in a few days... |
| 07:16:49 | vogon_jeltz | *shrug* |
| 07:26:56 | captain_proton | ... sniff ... starts staroffice |
| 07:37:00 | BZFlag | already told happy puppy. |
| 07:41:47 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 07:46:52 | vogon_jeltz | 11:48pm up 7 days, 1:48, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 07:46:55 | vogon_jeltz | uptime wars! |
| 07:48:21 | captain_proton | 12:48am up 16 days, 10:30, 9 users, load average: 0.17, 0.04, 0.01 |
| 07:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | lemme guess... that's babylonia |
| 07:48:44 | captain_proton | nope |
| 07:48:48 | captain_proton | babylonia is |
| 07:48:55 | captain_proton | 12:46am up 2 days, 9:11, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 07:48:59 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:49:05 | vogon_jeltz | beats babylonia |
| 07:49:27 | captain_proton | thats not hard to do when people use the console...the current student admins suck |
| 07:50:11 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ vogon_jeltz, vogon_jeltz, / vogon_jeltz hates babylonia / they have a fight, vogon_jeltz wins / vogon_jeltz o/~ |
| 07:50:31 | captain_proton | that was a crappy song |
| 07:50:36 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:50:43 | vogon_jeltz | do you listen to TMBG? |
| 07:51:02 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:51:09 | vogon_jeltz | They Might Be Giants |
| 07:51:12 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:51:22 | captain_proton | i'm gonna play a little bzflag... |
| 07:51:27 | vogon_jeltz | that was a shameless rip of the lyrics of one of their songs :P |
| 07:51:46 | captain_proton | wanders off singing o/~ BZFlag / is EasyFlag... o/~ |
| 07:51:58 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:52:10 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: mind if I DCC the song to you? |
| 07:52:22 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yes |
| 07:52:25 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:52:47 | vogon_jeltz | what, you don't like nerd wuss pop alterna-rock? |
| 07:59:22 | captain_proton | hrm full of laggards |
| 07:59:44 | captain_proton | oh vogon_jeltz one thing you missed was our discussion of custom textured ground & custom frictional coeffecients |
| 07:59:48 | captain_proton | in other words: ice |
| 07:59:50 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:59:52 | vogon_jeltz | l33t |
| 08:14:44 | captain_proton | drools at crs' new code |
| 08:55:06 | captain_proton | is sad |
| 08:55:42 | captain_proton | after hacking this to compile, its missing 'libMediaFile.a', but there's absolutely no makefile or anything telling me what sources should go into it |
| 08:55:55 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 09:03:09 | vogon_jeltz | you're screwed |
| 09:05:14 | captain_proton | i figured it out |
| 09:05:23 | captain_proton | hmmm...i don't have the mountains stuff |
| 09:17:52 | iLLf8d | is going into bzwithdrawal |
| 09:18:29 | iLLf8d | my system is unstable and my kernels are bombing out |
| 09:18:31 | iLLf8d | =( |
| 09:18:54 | vogon_jeltz | FreeBSD, Linux, or w0t? |
| 09:19:00 | iLLf8d | linux |
| 09:19:03 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 09:19:14 | vogon_jeltz | what's the problem? |
| 09:19:16 | iLLf8d | my nvidia card doesn't work in freebsd |
| 09:19:26 | iLLf8d | my sound drivers are bombing atm |
| 09:19:29 | iLLf8d | dunno why |
| 09:19:33 | vogon_jeltz | card? |
| 09:19:37 | iLLf8d | actually the instability was from uhm |
| 09:19:45 | iLLf8d | irq sharing I think (just a guess) |
| 09:19:54 | vogon_jeltz | what card? |
| 09:19:55 | iLLf8d | so I figured i'd rebuild and take out the cruft |
| 09:20:03 | iLLf8d | opl3-sa2 |
| 09:20:14 | iLLf8d | its the settings i've used for years w/out incident |
| 09:20:16 | iLLf8d | go figure |
| 09:20:51 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: this is good...maybe you'll cut down once you get working again ;) |
| 09:20:58 | iLLf8d | drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(__ksymtab+0x2b8): undefined reference to `unload_mpu401' |
| 09:21:05 | vogon_jeltz | decides to fire up Tribes2 and start hacking on his map again |
| 09:21:12 | iLLf8d | ooo |
| 09:21:14 | iLLf8d | tribes2 |
| 09:21:15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:21:23 | vogon_jeltz | damn fine game |
| 09:21:24 | iLLf8d | gets his ass kicked in training heh |
| 09:21:25 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 09:21:29 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 09:21:34 | iLLf8d | I haven't done a lan game yet |
| 09:21:49 | vogon_jeltz | I never played anything after the second training mission, but I'm getting quite good at online play |
| 09:21:55 | iLLf8d | ah nice |
| 09:21:56 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: Linux or WinDOS version? |
| 09:21:57 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 09:22:00 | iLLf8d | linux |
| 09:22:04 | vogon_jeltz | :D |
| 09:22:07 | vogon_jeltz | w00t! :) |
| 09:22:17 | iLLf8d | although its not in atm I deuched it yesterday (have the iso in the pile that is my desk tho) |
| 09:22:23 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 09:22:36 | iLLf8d | works quite well in linux |
| 09:22:47 | iLLf8d | actually all the loki demos do too |
| 09:22:53 | iLLf8d | seems like a good gaming platform |
| 09:22:57 | vogon_jeltz | you do realize that you can play non-LAN online games, right? ;) |
| 09:22:59 | iLLf8d | good as in stable |
| 09:23:14 | iLLf8d | haven't tried much |
| 09:23:19 | iLLf8d | my copy is less then legal heh |
| 09:23:30 | vogon_jeltz | oh, you're that kind of user >:| |
| 09:23:32 | iLLf8d | I've been trying not to run it |
| 09:23:38 | iLLf8d | no just outta work |
| 09:23:47 | iLLf8d | I'd like to keep loki in business... |
| 09:23:59 | iLLf8d | seems they're one of the few companies who're coding for linux |
| 09:24:01 | vogon_jeltz | buy Tribes2 from TuxGames or their online store |
| 09:24:06 | vogon_jeltz | $25 |
| 09:24:10 | iLLf8d | nie |
| 09:24:12 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 09:24:13 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 09:25:57 | iLLf8d | actually I don't have time for tribes |
| 09:26:01 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: crs' new version looks interesting |
| 09:26:01 | iLLf8d | play too much bz heh |
| 09:26:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:26:10 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: you will love Tribes2 online |
| 09:26:16 | iLLf8d | crs? |
| 09:26:18 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: there are even tanks |
| 09:26:24 | iLLf8d | yeah I heard |
| 09:26:33 | iLLf8d | i'd have to practice a bit more |
| 09:26:37 | iLLf8d | I don't like to get on and get creamed |
| 09:26:40 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 09:26:43 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: crs23, also known as chris schoeneman |
| 09:26:46 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 09:26:54 | iLLf8d | new version as in 1.8 |
| 09:26:59 | iLLf8d | what you were talking about earlier |
| 09:27:04 | captain_proton | no - the stuff he's hacked up |
| 09:27:11 | iLLf8d | ah whats he been working on |
| 09:27:24 | captain_proton | 1.8 will incorporate a lot of that stuff but its not even really started yet |
| 09:27:25 | iLLf8d | I heard mention of network protocol |
| 09:27:33 | captain_proton | so far he's redone all the graphics stuff |
| 09:27:37 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 09:27:43 | iLLf8d | is he a good coder? |
| 09:30:58 | vogon_jeltz | he's the inventor of BZFlag |
| 09:31:00 | iLLf8d | suck |
| 09:31:02 | iLLf8d | crash and burn |
| 09:31:11 | iLLf8d | drivers/sound/sounddrivers.o(__ksymtab+0x2b8): undefined reference to `unload_mpu401' |
| 09:31:21 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: yucko |
| 09:31:28 | iLLf8d | I'm pretty sure its kernel source issues |
| 09:31:39 | iLLf8d | seems that 2.4.16 and 2.4.17 both have issues |
| 09:31:45 | iLLf8d | maybe i'll drop to 2.4.14 |
| 09:32:09 | iLLf8d | drivers/char/char.o(.data+0x46b4): undefined reference to `local symbols in discarded section .text.exit' |
| 09:32:09 | iLLf8d | drivers/net/net.o(.data+0x174): undefined reference to `local symbols in discarded section .text.exit |
| 09:32:24 | iLLf8d | I don't get those last 2 in 2.4.17 tho |
| 09:32:35 | iLLf8d | I tried to patch 2.4.17 to 2.4.18-pre7 |
| 09:32:36 | vogon_jeltz | are you overclocking at all? |
| 09:32:38 | iLLf8d | but the patch puked |
| 09:32:41 | iLLf8d | no |
| 09:32:48 | vogon_jeltz | :/ |
| 09:32:53 | iLLf8d | oh cap can you take a look at those bios settings? |
| 09:32:58 | iLLf8d | I typed them into a flat file |
| 09:33:02 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: no |
| 09:33:12 | iLLf8d | bitch |
| 09:33:13 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:33:23 | iLLf8d | craptain_proton |
| 09:33:24 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:33:37 | iLLf8d | figures he'd keep all his trash talk for #bzflag |
| 09:33:38 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 09:33:57 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: i'll do it as soon as vogon_jeltz writes the stuff he so desperately wanted to write for the flag zones patch |
| 09:34:00 | iLLf8d | vogon you bios savy? |
| 09:34:10 | vogon_jeltz | to some extent |
| 09:34:11 | iLLf8d | he the goto guy? |
| 09:34:35 | iLLf8d | couldya join #flood so I could get your opinion on a few settings? (about 20 or so)? |
| 09:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | not unless you buy Tribes2 |
| 09:35:17 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:35:21 | iLLf8d | I plan to |
| 09:35:25 | iLLf8d | as soon as I get some work |
| 09:35:51 | vogon_jeltz | just a sec |
| 09:36:18 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: whys vogon gotta write these patches? |
| 09:36:24 | iLLf8d | he the flagzone dude? |
| 09:36:43 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: because he begged apathy & me to get in on this patch, agreed to to a certain part, then sat on his ass |
| 09:36:47 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 09:36:54 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I wanted to do another part of the patch |
| 09:37:14 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: which part? |
| 09:37:22 | vogon_jeltz | the parser |
| 09:37:23 | iLLf8d | the part thats done heh |
| 09:37:24 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 09:37:51 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: but...captain_parser works so much better... ;) |
| 09:37:57 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:38:11 | iLLf8d | yeah it even parses the bullshit |
| 09:38:13 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:38:32 | iLLf8d | sorry should keep that talk for the field |
| 09:38:39 | captain_proton | yeah iLLf8d! |
| 09:39:25 | iLLf8d | the most I usually say is to privmessage and say gotta watch the bank homes |
| 09:39:29 | iLLf8d | stuff like that |
| 09:39:44 | iLLf8d | sometimes I say quack quack |
| 09:40:05 | iLLf8d | I tellem if you're gonna jump and turn yourself into a duck you may as well quack |
| 09:40:06 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:40:35 | vogon_jeltz | actually, jumping works quite well against the HPB bullet-spray people |
| 09:41:37 | iLLf8d | on what tightrope? |
| 09:41:40 | iLLf8d | hpb? |
| 09:41:53 | vogon_jeltz | high-ping bastard |
| 09:41:56 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 09:41:59 | iLLf8d | yeah... |
| 09:42:11 | iLLf8d | I love how many people try to kill you on building tops |
| 09:42:14 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:44:37 | vogon_jeltz | in other news, I now have parts one through eleven of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy |
| 09:52:52 | iLLf8d | took out sound support in 2.4.17 again (heh) |
| 09:52:52 | iLLf8d | this is my 8th or 9th build today nice huh |
| 09:53:17 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: days like that suck |
| 09:53:45 | iLLf8d | well I got the drive moved from my offboard ata100 hde to hda position onboard ide now |
| 09:53:48 | iLLf8d | so that part is good |
| 09:54:03 | iLLf8d | that took a long time too |
| 09:54:18 | iLLf8d | I was all psyched |
| 09:54:22 | iLLf8d | then I fired up bz and |
| 09:54:29 | iLLf8d | =( |
| 09:54:33 | iLLf8d | it started up |
| 09:54:35 | iLLf8d | connected |
| 09:54:53 | iLLf8d | mouse was working |
| 09:54:54 | iLLf8d | I right clicked |
| 09:54:54 | iLLf8d | and w/in 2 seconds frozen |
| 09:58:59 | iLLf8d | at first I thought it was my new mouse but I hooked up the old one and realized it was a resource issue (taking the controller out cause my devices to take diff res and now its fscked) |
| 10:03:56 | BZFlag | rumor is that Loki is closing shop. |
| 10:04:30 | BZFlag | yep, more than rumors now. |
| 10:04:39 | BZFlag | http://www.lokigames.com/ |
| 10:05:03 | vogon_jeltz | and it's all the fault of warez monkeys, dual-booters, and Wine users |
| 10:08:47 | iLLf8d | no shit? |
| 10:08:51 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 10:09:06 | iLLf8d | yeah after the reorganization I knew they'd be toast |
| 10:09:09 | iLLf8d | that just sucks |
| 10:13:10 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 10:13:17 | captain_proton | goes to bed |
| 10:13:21 | vogon_jeltz | nn |
| 10:13:24 | iLLf8d | reboots |
| 15:23:46 | Chestal | hmm, my 1.7e5 server is still not workrign correctly |
| 15:36:27 | Chestal | 1.7e5 bzfs seems to have a lot of bugs |
| 15:49:00 | captain_proton | e5 needs -pr <reconnect port> |
| 15:50:29 | Chestal | I have that |
| 15:50:44 | Chestal | e5 has the MsgEnter id patch bug (already reported to sf) |
| 15:50:58 | Chestal | in addition it has a gameover doesn't get set to false bug |
| 15:51:03 | Chestal | so only 1 player at a time can join |
| 15:51:10 | captain_proton | lol... |
| 15:51:17 | captain_proton | perhaps you should get an older rev of e5? |
| 15:51:19 | Chestal | and I have players with UDP on getting kicked |
| 15:51:34 | Chestal | looks liek multicasting code is behavign badly |
| 15:51:46 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 15:51:54 | captain_proton | e4 server + e5 client makes a decent combo |
| 15:52:15 | Chestal | I guess we'd better just disable all multicast features for now |
| 15:52:22 | Chestal | both in client and server |
| 15:52:45 | Chestal | it's difficult to test it here, because I can play on my server withotu problems |
| 15:52:47 | captain_proton | gtg to class |
| 15:52:48 | Chestal | bot others cannot |
| 15:52:55 | Chestal | have fun ;-) |
| 18:42:55 | Chestal | somethign is weird about msgshotbegin |
| 18:43:16 | captain_proton | ? |
| 18:44:06 | Chestal | it's sent per UDP by the server but TCP by the client? |
| 18:44:19 | Chestal | and it's unecessarily transmitted back to sender |
| 18:44:27 | Chestal | unlike MsgPlayerUpdate which isn't |
| 18:44:30 | captain_proton | yeah it sux0rs |
| 18:44:52 | Chestal | I don't understand theUDP and multicastign code anyway :-) |
| 18:45:06 | Chestal | jut figured that udp packets have an extra header of 10 bytes |
| 18:45:07 | captain_proton | well 1.8 should be a lot cleaner - no multicasting |
| 18:45:27 | Chestal | I'm tryign to do some stats |
| 18:45:34 | captain_proton | player stats? |
| 18:46:10 | Chestal | networkign stats |
| 18:46:30 | Chestal | to see what's the dominant msg type etc. (well, I guess MsgPlayerUpdate) |
| 18:47:04 | Chestal | any ideas what else might be interestign with regard to network stats? |
| 18:47:04 | captain_proton | ahhh |
| 19:07:05 | Chestal | wowm, a lot of PlayerUpdate msgs get sent |
| 19:07:29 | Chestal | when I am trying to emulate evasive maneuvers, I estimate a rate of about 20 packets/s |
| 19:07:35 | Chestal | might be even more for players with higher framerates |
| 19:08:00 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 19:09:58 | Chestal | hmm, I get UDP-kicks with my old server versions now |
| 19:10:04 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 19:11:10 | Chestal | strange |
| 19:11:45 | captain_proton | i'm thinking we should just start concentrating on 1.8 |
| 19:12:07 | captain_proton | though we need vogon_jeltz's permission |
| 19:12:09 | | CRAZY 1.8 GUY |
| 19:12:09 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz? |
| 19:17:22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream!!!! |
| 19:18:16 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 19:18:43 | Chestal | hi Cream |
| 19:18:55 | Chestal | Cream: 1.7E5 server is buggy :-) |
| 19:19:09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: where have ya been the last week or so? |
| 19:19:23 | Chestal | as expected, PlayerUpdate is the dominantn message type |
| 19:19:42 | Chestal | it;s more than 10:1 even with 10 shots here |
| 19:19:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: heh... |
| 19:22:31 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: My dog got real sick, and unfortunately died last nite |
| 19:22:39 | captain_proton | sorry to hear that |
| 19:22:48 | Chestal | yep, me too |
| 19:22:50 | MrApathyCream | thanks |
| 19:24:04 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: 1.7e5 server buggy... how so? |
| 19:25:34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: very |
| 19:25:41 | captain_proton | oh MrApathyCream...you missed something cool yesterday |
| 19:25:51 | MrApathyCream | the 'patch'? |
| 19:25:54 | Chestal | Cream: in fact I am quite confused now |
| 19:26:02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no |
| 19:26:08 | captain_proton | crs is actively developing again |
| 19:26:18 | MrApathyCream | yeh saw that... good sign |
| 19:26:29 | Chestal | somethign in libnet seems to have changed |
| 19:26:34 | Chestal | UDP is notworking correctly |
| 19:26:58 | Chestal | Cream: first bug (on sf already :-): MsgEnter shoudln't be ID-patched |
| 19:27:07 | MrApathyCream | Saw that bug |
| 19:27:15 | Chestal | Cream: as you did the last changes to the code Iassume you are the one who understand the network code ;-) |
| 19:27:38 | MrApathyCream | I can't say I fully understand it. But maybe know something |
| 19:28:15 | captain_proton | i took a look at his changes - the new rendering code is beautiful |
| 19:28:43 | Chestal | Cream: in addclient ehre seems to be a bug with gameover |
| 19:28:46 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: cool. I saw a mention that menus are configurable through xml... nice |
| 19:29:13 | Chestal | Cream: the routine counts the number of players and when it is == 1 it is assumed that the first palyer joined and gameover is set to false |
| 19:29:14 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: Yeah, I put a question about that in bugs section awhile ago. |
| 19:29:29 | Chestal | Cream: I guess the comparison should be >= Limbo, no t> Limbo |
| 19:29:35 | MrApathyCream | I could only get it to work, if gameOver = TRUE by default |
| 19:30:02 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: It was the second player, enter, right? |
| 19:30:04 | Chestal | or maybe != notconnected as it used tobe |
| 19:30:21 | Chestal | atthis point the first palyer Joining has state == limbo |
| 19:30:28 | MrApathyCream | emm. ok |
| 19:30:45 | Chestal | now I have problems with udp |
| 19:30:56 | Chestal | only the first player joingign seems to get udp |
| 19:31:05 | Chestal | subsequent players get TCP relaying |
| 19:31:21 | MrApathyCream | apologies for having to leave early.. . will look into udp/tcp problem later |
| 19:31:24 | Chestal | in fact, I reverted bzfs code to 1.7e3, but this didn't help, so I guess it's some change in libnet |
| 19:46:16 | Chestal | capt: could you join duacti.bzflg.org:5155? |
| 19:47:37 | captain_proton | yeah one moment |
| 19:47:41 | Chestal | fine |
| 19:50:41 | Chestal | hmm, strange, i got no output whatsoever for my rejoin |
| 19:54:29 | Chestal | could you join once more? |
| 19:55:07 | Chestal | hmm, i could also try and let my bot join, might be esier in the long run |
| 19:59:48 | Chestal | it's ok, I can use my bot |
| 20:14:13 | Chestal | multicasting horror *aaaaah* |
| 20:17:21 | Chestal | hmm, I 'fixed' it |
| 20:17:33 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 20:18:25 | Chestal | I don't really grasp it, but I removed all instances of sending MsgNetworkRelay in bzfs |
| 20:18:36 | Chestal | the whole multicast thign is buggy |
| 20:19:00 | captain_proton | yeah, thats why we're not doing multicast at all for 1.8 |
| 20:19:16 | Chestal | but current bz versions need to be fixed noentheless |
| 20:19:30 | Chestal | I'd guess we will have at least another 1.7release |
| 20:20:02 | Chestal | are there any serevrs / clients out there not using UDP? |
| 20:20:09 | captain_proton | probably but if possible it should just be a maintenance release - no new features |
| 20:20:26 | Chestal | yes, only bug fixes |
| 20:20:30 | captain_proton | i see plenty of clients not using UDP - i yell at them |
| 20:21:15 | Chestal | I see them also, but they get kicked off my server, most of the time before I can tell them |
| 20:21:37 | Chestal | hmm, I could have used E5 now, oh well |
| 20:22:47 | Chestal | my fixes should only cause problems when there is a player for whom multicastign actually works |
| 20:50:18 | Chestal | seens like you canpish the rate of msgplayerupdate as high as yourframerate |
| 20:50:20 | Chestal | that sucks |
| 20:54:05 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 20:54:13 | Chestal | multicastign stuff drove me crazy today |
| 21:12:54 | Chestal | maximum is 63 PU/s |
| 21:13:11 | Chestal | total of 730 msgs/s sent by the server with 6-7 players |
| 21:39:05 | BZFlag | I should just nuke the multicast stuff. |
| 21:40:54 | Chestal | thecurrent version has a return -1 at the begin of openmulticast |
| 21:40:58 | Chestal | Iguess that caused the problems |
| 21:41:20 | Chestal | bzfs was sending MsgNetworkRelay messages the client then switches frommulticast to relay |
| 21:41:27 | Chestal | problem is that is switches toTCP :-| |
| 21:41:37 | Chestal | nit's quite a mess |
| 21:41:59 | Chestal | BZFlag: I've added network stats tomy bzfs now |
| 21:42:11 | Chestal | far too many playerupdate messages are sent |
| 21:42:42 | Chestal | curerntly, I havea maximum of one palyer sedning 98 of these messages ina single ssecond |
| 21:49:53 | Chestal | I'm experimenting with increasing deadreckoning tolerance and/or introducing a minimum time between update messages |
| 22:23:58 | Chestal | anyone alive? |
| 22:24:40 | Chestal | hi ill |
| 22:24:51 | Chestal | coudl you join ducati.bzflag.org 5155 for a quick test? |
| 22:25:14 | iLLf8d | morning |
| 22:25:16 | iLLf8d | I took out my sound card and disabled a ton of stuff etc... |
| 22:25:20 | iLLf8d | seems its stable now |
| 22:25:22 | iLLf8d | sure |
| 22:27:32 | iLLf8d | lookup hostname timeout |
| 22:27:33 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:27:34 | iLLf8d | dunno |
| 22:27:44 | iLLf8d | was in there red went to go rogue now I can't reconnect |
| 22:27:50 | iLLf8d | will keep trying |
| 22:28:32 | Chestal | you're still in the game as red, strange |
| 22:29:00 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:29:02 | iLLf8d | dunno |
| 22:29:04 | iLLf8d | can't reconnet |
| 22:29:08 | iLLf8d | must be a ghost or something |
| 22:29:17 | iLLf8d | I got about 30 hostname timeouts in a row |
| 22:29:23 | iLLf8d | whats your ip |
| 22:29:36 | iLLf8d | I had my gf ping ducati.bzflag.org but its redir isn't it? |
| 22:30:01 | iLLf8d | i'll have her ping the ip maybe that'll break my hostname lookout timeout issue |
| 22:30:08 | iLLf8d | lookup that is heh =P |
| 22:45:22 | Chestal | so much for that idea, it's not that easy :-( |
| 22:45:29 | Chestal | bye for today |
| 22:45:32 | iLLf8d | seeya |
| 22:45:42 | iLLf8d | it wasn't bad tho c |
| 22:45:47 | iLLf8d | looked quite good |
| 22:45:56 | Chestal | let me explain quickly what I did |
| 22:46:17 | Chestal | each clien tis sending update messages to the server containing tank's position and speed |
| 22:46:37 | iLLf8d | k |
| 22:46:48 | Chestal | to reduce traffic, clients are using DeadReckoning, i.e. they do a simple projection of the tank's course into the future |
| 22:47:07 | Chestal | whenever this projection isn't good enough a new update msg is sent |
| 22:47:16 | Chestal | and at least 1 msg/s |
| 22:47:38 | iLLf8d | when you say good enough? meaning the positional update is lagged? |
| 22:47:46 | Chestal | the thresholds for deciding whether the projection is good enough arevery small |
| 22:48:09 | Chestal | the projection is jsut compared to the real position, if bothdiffer by a certain amount, the projectin is considered too bad |
| 22:48:23 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 22:48:24 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:48:28 | Chestal | the curernt threshhold are 0.01m, with a tank beign approx. 6m in length |
| 22:48:49 | iLLf8d | no bad =) |
| 22:49:00 | Chestal | when a player with a high framerate pushes his mouse aroudn very fast,a lot of messages can be generated |
| 22:49:12 | Chestal | when you don't touch the mouse, only 1 message per second is sent |
| 22:49:21 | Chestal | but I received as much as 90 messages / second from some players |
| 22:49:24 | Chestal | that is too much |
| 22:49:42 | Chestal | this can easily be change din the cleint by increasing threshhold or introducing a minimum time limit between updates |
| 22:49:43 | iLLf8d | and those 90 msg contain what? |
| 22:50:08 | iLLf8d | reitteration of position? |
| 22:50:09 | Chestal | I though I'd just do that in the server. SO the server woudl not relay update mesasges to other players if they are too frequent |
| 22:50:25 | Chestal | tank status, position, angle, speed, angular velocity |
| 22:50:43 | iLLf8d | how many chars are there to a msg group? |
| 22:50:45 | iLLf8d | ie number |
| 22:50:53 | iLLf8d | or units |
| 22:51:12 | Chestal | this update message is about 40-50 bytes in size, don't have the exact number |
| 22:51:14 | iLLf8d | all 90 can't be for that info |
| 22:51:20 | Chestal | nono |
| 22:51:23 | Chestal | 90 seperate messages |
| 22:51:25 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 22:51:26 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 22:51:33 | Chestal | 90 updates of the tank's positionin one second |
| 22:51:36 | iLLf8d | why not let the clients update |
| 22:51:41 | iLLf8d | and just don't bother processing them |
| 22:51:44 | iLLf8d | drop them on the floor |
| 22:51:56 | Chestal | who should notbother? |
| 22:51:57 | iLLf8d | the clients performance is fine |
| 22:52:14 | iLLf8d | ie let the server make the update requests |
| 22:52:17 | iLLf8d | just not process them all |
| 22:52:35 | Chestal | the only processign the server does with these messages is to broadcast them to all other players |
| 22:52:36 | vogon_jeltz | is away: VFS: Panic: Cannot mount root fs |
| 22:52:48 | iLLf8d | what i'm saying is |
| 22:52:49 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 22:52:50 | Chestal | player sends msg to server, server acts as relayand sends this mesasge to all players |
| 22:52:53 | iLLf8d | let the server make the requests |
| 22:52:59 | iLLf8d | and just have some code in the server that says |
| 22:53:09 | iLLf8d | if we're getting say 90 requests per sec |
| 22:53:14 | iLLf8d | send have to /dev/null |
| 22:53:18 | iLLf8d | s/have/half |
| 22:53:19 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:53:35 | Chestal | well, that is what I did, the server ignored some of the messages |
| 22:53:48 | iLLf8d | what mech did you use to do that? |
| 22:53:55 | Chestal | what Idid was to dump all messages in a 0.1s time frame after the last message from the same player |
| 22:53:58 | iLLf8d | did you use a select loop with a micro precision timer? |
| 22:54:03 | Chestal | so reducing this to 10 mesasges/s at most |
| 22:54:17 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:54:31 | Chestal | but I think why this can cause problems |
| 22:54:38 | iLLf8d | so you did it based on the message timestamp |
| 22:54:39 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 22:54:48 | iLLf8d | I gotcha in case some packets come in late |
| 22:54:51 | iLLf8d | yeah... |
| 22:54:54 | iLLf8d | I understand |
| 22:54:54 | Chestal | not on message timestamp, onlacal time on the server when processing the message |
| 22:55:06 | Chestal | I think the big problem is the following: |
| 22:55:11 | iLLf8d | why not just cream out 1/2 of them |
| 22:55:17 | Chestal | due to dead reckoning, some msgs are more important than others |
| 22:55:19 | iLLf8d | not 90% |
| 22:55:38 | Chestal | imagine a tank driving in one direction, onle 1 message/s will be generated |
| 22:55:43 | Chestal | we will relay all of these |
| 22:55:50 | iLLf8d | Chestal: to be honest I saw ALMOST (just a tiny) bit of difference |
| 22:55:51 | Chestal | then the player pushes his mouse |
| 22:56:02 | Chestal | I saw some big jumping around |
| 22:56:05 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 22:56:09 | iLLf8d | I saw one lag jump |
| 22:56:10 | Chestal | rarely, but it did happen |
| 22:56:15 | iLLf8d | keep in mind where you doing it |
| 22:56:24 | iLLf8d | I'd think you'd have to test it all on a local lan |
| 22:56:27 | Chestal | after the player pishes his mouse a new mesasge will be sent immediately becuase his speed etc. changed |
| 22:56:36 | iLLf8d | you don't want inet lag to screw your test |
| 22:56:41 | Chestal | but: we might lose this packet if it is sent immediately after another one |
| 22:57:02 | iLLf8d | yeah you need more selective proc... |
| 22:57:14 | iLLf8d | does packet size change based on whats being sent? |
| 22:57:21 | iLLf8d | or do you send all info reguardless? |
| 22:57:22 | Chestal | so, to make this a server side solution the seervr would have to use the same projection fucntion for dead reckoning |
| 22:57:29 | iLLf8d | or msg size sorry |
| 22:57:29 | Chestal | it could be done but would put much more stress on the server |
| 22:57:30 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:57:31 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 22:57:41 | Chestal | no, each update package has same size |
| 22:57:48 | Chestal | best solution is to change the client |
| 22:58:04 | Chestal | changign the server is much more work |
| 22:58:10 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 22:58:21 | iLLf8d | well you can test for a stopped client buy cheating |
| 22:58:26 | iLLf8d | s/buy/by |
| 22:58:27 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:58:33 | iLLf8d | you know those par files |
| 22:58:46 | iLLf8d | that make up the missing archive files in compressed multipart archives |
| 22:58:58 | Chestal | ohm, no |
| 22:59:02 | iLLf8d | couldn't you do some kinda math on the msg size itself |
| 22:59:18 | iLLf8d | ie take positional data and say if the rest of the message = whatever the thanks not moving |
| 23:00:08 | Chestal | I don't get it |
| 23:00:38 | iLLf8d | everything being sent is numbers right? |
| 23:00:47 | iLLf8d | I take it 0 is neutral for just about any setting |
| 23:01:11 | iLLf8d | when I say everytying I mean data like up position momentum etc... |
| 23:01:16 | iLLf8d | s/up/uhm |
| 23:02:13 | iLLf8d | couldn't you just read the position part of the package (I take it it's coordinate style) then take every other number and add them together to see if they're 0) ie the tank is stationary |
| 23:02:26 | iLLf8d | s/package/msg sorry I gotta start using the jargon heh |
| 23:02:49 | Chestal | I don't know what you're getting at? optimization or cheat detection? |
| 23:02:50 | iLLf8d | then if it is read till the tank is in motion |
| 23:03:06 | iLLf8d | i'm saying seems most of the issues I saw weren't motion issues |
| 23:03:10 | iLLf8d | they were off the line |
| 23:03:19 | iLLf8d | so read all messages till tank in motion |
| 23:03:29 | iLLf8d | then drop to .1ms reading |
| 23:03:36 | iLLf8d | or .01 whatever the length is that you said |
| 23:03:54 | iLLf8d | so reducing this to 10 mesasges/s at most |
| 23:03:58 | iLLf8d | sorry your term heh |
| 23:04:14 | Chestal | but the problem will persist |
| 23:04:18 | iLLf8d | I mean if tanks stationary accept all data till tank is in motion |
| 23:04:24 | iLLf8d | then as soon as motion is made |
| 23:04:33 | iLLf8d | drop to 10 packets instead of 90/s |
| 23:04:36 | Chestal | with stationary tanks there will be very few messages |
| 23:05:07 | iLLf8d | seems what I saw always was from a standstill |
| 23:05:10 | iLLf8d | ie off the line |
| 23:05:12 | Chestal | the number of messages will be high whenever a player moves irregularly |
| 23:05:15 | iLLf8d | so thats where the problem lies |
| 23:05:21 | iLLf8d | when the tank was in motion the 10/s was fine |
| 23:05:29 | iLLf8d | see what I'm saying? |
| 23:05:34 | Chestal | I think so |
| 23:05:43 | iLLf8d | keep in mind 90/s is faster then we can move |
| 23:05:52 | iLLf8d | most of us have a .2th of a sec reaction time |
| 23:05:56 | Chestal | that might be becuase when the tank is moving, lots of messages will be generated |
| 23:06:06 | Chestal | droppign one of these isn't that bad |
| 23:06:11 | Chestal | but that's onlya special case |
| 23:06:28 | iLLf8d | listen the issues with jump etc were on direction change ie running forward backing up or backing up running forward |
| 23:06:40 | iLLf8d | so the tank was stationary for a tiny piece of time |
| 23:06:46 | Chestal | I am 99% sure that it can only be solved if the serevr does the same dead reckoning the clients do |
| 23:06:47 | iLLf8d | thats where the code had its issues |
| 23:07:01 | Chestal | but that's too much of an effort, so we'll just change the client for future releases |
| 23:07:04 | vogon_jeltz | has a better idea |
| 23:07:11 | iLLf8d | so had it test for all msg till tank is in motion then drop to 10 outta 90 once moving |
| 23:07:29 | iLLf8d | s/had/have |
| 23:07:37 | Chestal | it's just the question by how much we should increase tolerance and how big minimum inter-send time should be |
| 23:07:37 | iLLf8d | just run another test of your code |
| 23:08:04 | Chestal | ill: problem is that the server doesn't look at the inside of these messages yet |
| 23:08:12 | iLLf8d | pay attention to if all the jumps occured after stationary positioning (and fullforward to full reverse counts) for a microsecond your stationary |
| 23:08:20 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 23:08:21 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 23:08:31 | Chestal | vogon; go ahead, we are lsiteningAlthough I must be going home real soon now, I am very tired |
| 23:08:35 | vogon_jeltz | you guys do realize that MsgClientUpdate never touches the server, right? |
| 23:08:40 | iLLf8d | would it bog the server that much to look in them? |
| 23:08:50 | Chestal | vogon: it did 10 mintes ago with my server :-) |
| 23:09:02 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: unless you've modified something already, you're lying ;) |
| 23:09:08 | Chestal | vogon: but it only looked at the status field |
| 23:09:29 | Chestal | vogon: I tried a simpel patch which didn't work as good as I hoped, and I know why |
| 23:09:43 | iLLf8d | vogon_jeltz: his patch wasn't too bad either tho |
| 23:09:51 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: my idea is that we have each client restrict their message rate individually |
| 23:10:00 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: by adding another number to MsgEnter |
| 23:10:13 | Chestal | vogon: for incoming or outgoign packets? |
| 23:10:14 | iLLf8d | it was off a little but sheesh most servers experience lag thats way worse then what we were experiencing |
| 23:10:16 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: both |
| 23:10:22 | iLLf8d | Chestal: you gotta figure in too |
| 23:10:27 | Chestal | what I did is to patch myceint so he sends not more than 20 update mssg/s |
| 23:10:32 | Chestal | I think this should work fine |
| 23:10:37 | iLLf8d | was what we saw bad compared to a high laggy server load |
| 23:10:38 | iLLf8d | ie |
| 23:10:42 | Chestal | vogon: incoming is difficult to achieve |
| 23:10:45 | iLLf8d | if you drop 90% of info |
| 23:10:51 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: well, that's kinda lame because even the people on the T3s of the world won't get any more than 20 packets a second |
| 23:10:55 | iLLf8d | under high load your patch may outperform normal server code |
| 23:11:02 | iLLf8d | maybe it should be used under high load only? |
| 23:11:03 | Chestal | vogon_jeltz: they will |
| 23:11:13 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: not really... just modify the relaying to only happen if the last packet occurred n milliseconds ago or more |
| 23:11:19 | iLLf8d | Chestal: read back over what I said pleas. |
| 23:11:24 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: (serverside) |
| 23:11:24 | Chestal | vogon: a bz server with 10 players will spit out more than 1000 packets/s |
| 23:11:31 | iLLf8d | just last 3 lines |
| 23:11:38 | Chestal | vogon: that will yield problems with dead reckoning |
| 23:11:46 | Chestal | vogon: problem is that you wil sometimes drop the wrong packets |
| 23:12:05 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: not unless they're all making sharp turns... (re: packet rate) |
| 23:12:09 | Chestal | vogon: this can be alleviated a littleby storing packets and sending them late if no further packets arrive |
| 23:12:18 | vogon_jeltz | good poing |
| 23:12:21 | vogon_jeltz | point, even |
| 23:12:37 | iLLf8d | I still think there are cases where your patch will definately outperform the standard server code |
| 23:12:40 | Chestal | butI think we canreally modify the clents |
| 23:12:57 | Chestal | I had some people sending as much as 90 msgs/s, that's just ridiculous |
| 23:13:53 | iLLf8d | Chestal: client modification is fine just add a few servers and set it to only accept new clients |
| 23:14:28 | Chestal | I will try to play with my patched client for some time and see if anyone notices anything strange |
| 23:14:46 | iLLf8d | how can yuo test it tho |
| 23:14:57 | iLLf8d | the normal running of tanks lately is "STRANGE" |
| 23:14:57 | iLLf8d | ehh |
| 23:15:17 | Chestal | well, I have virtually no lag at ducati |
| 23:15:28 | Chestal | and some other people have very good lag there also, these should notive |
| 23:15:36 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 23:15:48 | Chestal | I have to go, must be at the hairdresser's in 8 hours |
| 23:15:51 | iLLf8d | I dunno i'd say sure if they can be objective but most arent |
| 23:15:58 | iLLf8d | seeya =) |
| 23:15:58 | Chestal | andI need to drive home, eat, sleep etc. :-) |
| 23:16:25 | iLLf8d | I gotta get my sound card working stably again heh |
| 23:16:34 | Chestal | let's see, I am optimistic that we can reduce the msg load |
| 23:16:45 | Chestal | there are some good ideas floatign around,at least in 1.8 we can do much better |
| 23:16:49 | Chestal | bye |
| 23:16:54 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 23:39:22 | captain_proton | considers officially beginning a rewrite |
| 23:44:06 | BZFlag | needs to be done on the server |
| 23:44:16 | BZFlag | the throtling |
| 23:44:42 | BZFlag | the server does need to be able to send the client info on how often it wants packets. |
| 23:44:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag: should I start? |
| 23:45:06 | BZFlag | that number will vary based on net performance and average frame rate of the clients. |
| 23:45:10 | captain_proton | is thinking SDL and STL |
| 23:45:22 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you saw the conversation with crs and his new patches? |
| 23:45:41 | captain_proton | yes i was here |
| 23:45:49 | BZFlag | crs is back on the active list and coding like a madman. ;-) |
| 23:46:00 | captain_proton | i noticed |
| 23:46:01 | BZFlag | so what would you start? |
| 23:46:10 | captain_proton | rewrite :) |
| 23:46:24 | captain_proton | clean up the architecture, build in SDL & OpenAL from the start |
| 23:46:30 | BZFlag | rewrite which pieces? crs is rewriting different areas now. |
| 23:46:52 | captain_proton | well I'd start w/ the window & display stuff |
| 23:46:53 | BZFlag | a complete rewrite would not use any work he is doing now. |
| 23:47:02 | captain_proton | BZFlag: it would if we did use it |
| 23:47:12 | captain_proton | most of the interfaces would stay the same |
| 23:47:15 | BZFlag | then it would not be a rewrite would it? ;-) |
| 23:47:23 | captain_proton | partial rewrite, k? |
| 23:47:54 | BZFlag | feel free to build an SDL/OpenAL ui |
| 23:47:59 | captain_proton | most importantly, we can use 1TBS |
| 23:48:02 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:49:44 | captain_proton | 1 thing that needs to be cleaned up: classes beginning with 'Bzf' and crap like that |