| 00:01:02 | BZFlag | whacks captain_proton up side the head. . o O ( What!?? ) |
| 00:01:15 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:01:26 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 00:01:32 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Tim |
| 00:01:32 | captain_proton | i moved my stuff to bzflag.org :) |
| 00:04:53 | captain_proton | BZFlag: http://bzflag.org/new/ |
| 00:05:02 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/new/ cool. |
| 00:05:23 | captain_proton | i decided to keep it narrow because if its not width restricted then someone on a big screen has very long lines to read |
| 00:05:28 | captain_proton | which gets tiresome quickly |
| 00:06:49 | captain_proton | i suppose you'd like an admin account? :) |
| 00:09:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: msg me with a username & temporary password and i'll create one |
| 00:25:03 | captain_proton | wonders where BZFlag wandered off to |
| 01:11:38 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 6 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: http://bzflag.org/new/ cool. [Wed Jan 16 00:05:02 2002] |
| 01:11:38 | captain_proton | ibot, seen BZFlag |
| 01:11:38 | MrApathyCream | has wondered in |
| 01:12:05 | captain_proton | bah |
| 01:12:08 | captain_proton | hey MrApathyCream |
| 01:12:21 | MrApathyCream | hey captain_proton |
| 01:13:25 | MrApathyCream | so anyway... about this drop in object... |
| 01:13:55 | MrApathyCream | only thing tricky as i see it is specifying Z values... not sure how the code handles this |
| 01:14:28 | MrApathyCream | ok, and one other thing |
| 01:15:03 | MrApathyCream | if areas are disjoint, and one area is much larger than the other, the small area may be disproportionately favored |
| 01:15:18 | MrApathyCream | as one would probably first pick an area, then a spot in that area |
| 01:16:08 | | mrapathycream: i haven't a clue |
| 01:16:08 | MrApathyCream | ibot, where is vogon_jeltz |
| 01:16:27 | MrApathyCream | capn? |
| 01:16:56 | vogon_jeltz | I'm here |
| 01:17:03 | vogon_jeltz | but I'm compiling a new kernel |
| 01:17:18 | MrApathyCream | unix kernel? |
| 01:18:02 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 5 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: hey MrApathyCream [Wed Jan 16 01:12:08 2002] |
| 01:18:02 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen captain_proton |
| 01:18:08 | captain_proton | ack |
| 01:18:18 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: yup |
| 01:18:40 | captain_proton | well, here's what i was thinking |
| 01:18:59 | captain_proton | areas are chosen relative to their surface area |
| 01:19:05 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: i put md5 back in, 'case you hadn't seen |
| 01:19:13 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: yeah, just checked my mail :) |
| 01:19:29 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: you might wanna move md5.h to md5.hh, as there's an md5.h header on Linux |
| 01:19:49 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: areas are weighted by size... ya good |
| 01:19:49 | vogon_jeltz | (for the C implementation of MD5) |
| 01:21:06 | vogon_jeltz | patchz0rz a 2.4.4 tree to 2.4.17 |
| 01:21:21 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: arrg... ok... VCC really doesn't like .cc though.. but hh is probably ok |
| 01:21:25 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:21:31 | vogon_jeltz | well, that's VC++'s fault ;) |
| 01:22:20 | vogon_jeltz | geez... stupid web caches and DNS servers are smashing my upstream |
| 01:22:21 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 01:22:58 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: What does flag spawn do now, regarding Z pos, have you looked? |
| 01:23:07 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: it spawns all at Z=0 |
| 01:23:09 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: are flags always spawned at ground 0 |
| 01:23:32 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: I had a patch in the works to randomize it, but I lost it in a filesystem switch experiment :/ |
| 01:23:38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah i think so =/ |
| 01:23:48 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: I'll get right back on it :) |
| 01:23:59 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: bugger. well I guess adding on when there's nothing is easier than fixing a hack |
| 01:24:15 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:24:29 | captain_proton | once this is done i'm thinking of starting on libbzflag |
| 01:24:41 | captain_proton | client and server should be based off the same interfaces |
| 01:24:44 | vogon_jeltz | wants aabzflag |
| 01:25:01 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: get your ass on the sdl port then! |
| 01:25:06 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 01:25:17 | MrApathyCream | sdl seems awful weighty to me |
| 01:25:42 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: but it's cross-platform compatible, which means we can kill src/platform |
| 01:25:48 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: (for most platforms) |
| 01:26:23 | MrApathyCream | bah, we've just moved src/platform into code we don't manage.... |
| 01:26:35 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 01:26:57 | vogon_jeltz | plus, I see an opportunity for some icculus.org product pimpage |
| 01:27:05 | vogon_jeltz | (PhysicsFS, SDL_sound...) |
| 01:27:22 | captain_proton | slaps vogon_jeltz |
| 01:27:29 | captain_proton | SDL just makes it nicer |
| 01:27:31 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:27:35 | captain_proton | especially for a HUD rewrite |
| 01:27:43 | vogon_jeltz | do you know what either of those do? |
| 01:27:43 | captain_proton | because vogon_jeltz here would make it a combo surface |
| 01:27:48 | captain_proton | both opengl and SDL... |
| 01:27:57 | captain_proton | so i could draw the HUD using SDL stuff instead of gl |
| 01:28:04 | vogon_jeltz | SDL_sound is a uniform sound abstraction interface, and PhysicsFS is a filesystem abstraction interface |
| 01:28:34 | captain_proton | i thought SDL_mixer was a sound abstration interface |
| 01:28:45 | captain_proton | burns 2 cds of red dwarf |
| 01:29:00 | MrApathyCream | what ever happened with openal |
| 01:29:07 | vogon_jeltz | SDL_sound is a sound format abstraction interface, rather |
| 01:29:24 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: I plan to implement that as soon as we start on the "major rewrite" bit of 1.8 |
| 01:29:36 | captain_proton | haha vogon_jeltz |
| 01:29:40 | MrApathyCream | cool, 2010 |
| 01:29:41 | captain_proton | coming Real Soon Now? |
| 01:29:47 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:30:11 | captain_proton | has a moment of silence for windows |
| 01:30:14 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I've got the code... the only thing that's keeping me from implementing it is the indecipherable crap that is bzflag's sound code :P |
| 01:30:21 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 01:30:28 | MrApathyCream | i emailed riker about an experimental 1.8-ish branch, no response yet |
| 01:30:40 | captain_proton | he said it'd be a good idea |
| 01:31:01 | captain_proton | i'm starting to think 1.8 should be a complete rewrite... |
| 01:31:19 | captain_proton | we can autoconfiscate it too |
| 01:31:58 | MrApathyCream | obfuscate? |
| 01:32:09 | captain_proton | no |
| 01:32:37 | | wish i knew, mrapathycream |
| 01:32:37 | MrApathyCream | ibot, what is autoconfiscate? |
| 01:32:43 | vogon_jeltz | oh, hehe... I know what's sucking up my bandwidth |
| 01:32:58 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: it's changing the build process from the Makefile crap that we have now to autoconf/automake |
| 01:33:16 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: which makes it a lot easier to change program functions and build the program |
| 01:33:16 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 01:33:16 | captain_proton | ibot, autoconfiscate is <reply>autoconfiscating is changing the build process from the Makefile crap that we have now to autoconf/automake |
| 01:33:17 | MrApathyCream | ah, doesn't affect me |
| 01:33:22 | | autoconfiscating is changing the build process from the Makefile crap that we have now to autoconf/automake |
| 01:33:22 | captain_proton | ibot, autoconfiscate? |
| 01:33:25 | captain_proton | excellent |
| 01:33:48 | vogon_jeltz | downloads the final kernel patch... 2.4.17 |
| 01:34:04 | vogon_jeltz | then, I need to dash off to the preemptible kernel patch site |
| 01:34:17 | MrApathyCream | what was << your network? |
| 01:34:33 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 01:34:56 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz doesn't have the bandwidth to call it a network |
| 01:35:02 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 01:35:08 | vogon_jeltz | I'm just one guy on a modem |
| 01:35:52 | captain_proton | my network is being (somewhat) affected by the simultaneous download of 9 episodes of red dwarf |
| 01:36:12 | vogon_jeltz | good... finally got the kernel patched up |
| 01:36:22 | MrApathyCream | red dwarf == black hole? |
| 01:37:48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no, red dwarf == cool british comedy/sci-fi show |
| 01:38:25 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ It's cold outside; there's no kind of atmosphere / I'm all alone, more or less... o/~ |
| 01:38:35 | BZFlag | I will setup a 1.8 branch, I just have not gotten to it yet. |
| 01:38:43 | BZFlag | work and real life have been hectic. |
| 01:38:58 | BZFlag | I do want to see a working document on the net changes someplace. |
| 01:39:08 | captain_proton | o/~ I want to lie / shipwrecked and comatose / drinking fresh / mango juice... o/~ |
| 01:39:17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'm working on it |
| 01:39:36 | BZFlag | I'd prefer this to be in the format of documentation on the new protocol, not diffs from the current as after 1.8 is released the current will die. |
| 01:39:52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: read 1 line up |
| 01:39:55 | BZFlag | captain_proton: excellent. |
| 01:40:02 | BZFlag | playerid -> 1 byte? |
| 01:40:09 | captain_proton | i need to know if xml is a go |
| 01:40:18 | captain_proton | haven't gotten to byte sizes yet - still working on generics |
| 01:40:22 | captain_proton | is busy too |
| 01:40:28 | BZFlag | I'm not a fan, but if folks want to write the code, that's fine with me. |
| 01:40:50 | BZFlag | game play packets will not be xml. |
| 01:40:55 | captain_proton | of course not |
| 01:41:06 | captain_proton | but xml in the rest of the protocol makes debugging really easy |
| 01:41:16 | BZFlag | k, then if server/player info is in xml that's fine by me. |
| 01:41:19 | captain_proton | uhm i think i need to eat |
| 01:41:33 | BZFlag | xml from the list server would be fine wit me as well. |
| 01:41:38 | captain_proton | yeah i'll be back in 10-15 minutes |
| 01:41:47 | BZFlag | the current hex byte stream is a nightmare. |
| 01:41:51 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:41:56 | BZFlag | ok, I'm headed home anyway. |
| 01:42:00 | captain_proton | ttyl |
| 01:42:04 | MrApathyCream | cya |
| 01:42:06 | BZFlag | is the working doc on the net? |
| 01:43:17 | BZFlag | we need to get started with multiple people on these changes. |
| 01:43:24 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:43:28 | BZFlag | I'd prefer a doc in CVS so edits can be local. |
| 01:43:35 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 01:44:08 | BZFlag | there is a bzflag/doc directory. feel free to check in a txt or html version of a working doc. (ie: no word docs! ;-) |
| 01:44:20 | MrApathyCream | ha! |
| 01:44:39 | BZFlag | I put the protocol.txt in there from the web site. it has the old protocol minus the udp stuff. |
| 01:44:51 | MrApathyCream | I haven't been involved with working doc. I guess vogon_jeltz and captain_proton are. |
| 01:45:05 | BZFlag | yeah, I meant that for captain_proton |
| 01:45:18 | BZFlag | well, gotta run. later. |
| 02:01:29 | captain_proton | wanders back in |
| 02:08:34 | captain_proton | wb vogon_jeltz |
| 02:08:42 | vogon_jeltz | hi :) |
| 02:08:47 | captain_proton | uptime wars! ;) |
| 02:08:53 | captain_proton | 7:09pm up 1 day, 4:51, 7 users, load average: 0.34, 0.49, 0.66 |
| 02:09:00 | vogon_jeltz | 6:10pm up 6 min, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.22, 0.11 |
| 02:11:00 | vogon_jeltz | w00t... my kernel is now fully preemptible |
| 02:11:11 | captain_proton | w00t! |
| 02:11:19 | captain_proton | i've been meaning to try that patch |
| 02:11:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:11:26 | captain_proton | i'll let you alpha-test it for me :) |
| 02:11:31 | vogon_jeltz | it gave me about another 100fps in glxgears |
| 02:11:35 | vogon_jeltz | ... if that means anything |
| 02:11:49 | captain_proton | tell me the framerate you get in bzflag :) |
| 02:11:54 | vogon_jeltz | it feels a bit zippier, too |
| 02:12:07 | vogon_jeltz | my mouse cursor doesn't lag when my box is under load |
| 02:12:57 | captain_proton | omfg |
| 02:13:06 | vogon_jeltz | w0t? |
| 02:13:07 | captain_proton | there's a linux vs. windows arguement going on in ao |
| 02:13:10 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 02:13:31 | vogon_jeltz | say that you think Linux is better because Meinel said so |
| 02:14:39 | captain_proton | meinel is an ass |
| 02:23:00 | captain_proton | up for some beezee? |
| 02:36:49 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: meh |
| 03:23:56 | captain_proton | wb MrApathyCream |
| 03:25:39 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:25:49 | captain_proton | smells completion |
| 03:25:55 | MrApathyCream | only for a moment, unfortunately |
| 03:26:04 | captain_proton | ? |
| 03:26:15 | MrApathyCream | smells something too... ooh, never mind |
| 03:26:38 | captain_proton | what i'm smelling is the coming completion of my collection of red dwarf :) |
| 03:26:45 | MrApathyCream | ahhh |
| 03:27:22 | MrApathyCream | so what's this 1.8 document, Riker was talking about... You writing? |
| 03:27:34 | captain_proton | i'm working on a new protocol |
| 03:27:53 | MrApathyCream | Oh, network.... other than XML? |
| 03:28:09 | captain_proton | well... |
| 03:28:25 | captain_proton | i'm gonna do xml for all the non-playtime stuff just because it makes debugging *really* easy |
| 03:28:55 | MrApathyCream | I'd like a doc that describes -p vs -pr, when udp vs ip, etc, etc... still blurry to me |
| 03:29:19 | captain_proton | and all the playtime stuff i'm going to come up with some structures that (hopefully) maximizes efficiency but gives everything a big enough type |
| 03:29:33 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 03:30:08 | MrApathyCream | welp, got to go for now |
| 03:30:15 | captain_proton | again? |
| 03:30:18 | MrApathyCream | answers the question, "Who let the dogs out" |
| 03:30:25 | captain_proton | we need to get started on this patch :/ |
| 03:54:23 | MrApathyCream | as i see it, there are three parts |
| 03:54:31 | MrApathyCream | (1) The data structure to hold the information |
| 03:54:41 | MrApathyCream | (2) The parse code to read it out of the world file |
| 03:54:49 | MrApathyCream | (3) The flag flight code |
| 03:54:56 | MrApathyCream | (1) needs doing first |
| 03:55:06 | MrApathyCream | Then we can each two one of 2 or 3, if you want |
| 03:55:13 | MrApathyCream | I don't care, I'll do any |
| 03:55:36 | captain_proton | i'll take 2 :) |
| 03:56:06 | MrApathyCream | i'd be glad to do 3.... But 1 needs doing first... |
| 03:56:13 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 03:56:15 | MrApathyCream | Shouldn't be that hard.. |
| 03:56:32 | MrApathyCream | Want to throw something together, and send to me? |
| 03:56:48 | captain_proton | well we need some sort of list - bzflag has its own general linked list formula, right? |
| 03:56:55 | MrApathyCream | AList |
| 03:57:11 | MrApathyCream | It's fine as long as you're not constantly removing stuff |
| 03:57:22 | MrApathyCream | It's a managed array |
| 03:57:27 | captain_proton | we're not going to be removing anything.. |
| 03:57:38 | MrApathyCream | right... It should be fine. |
| 03:58:33 | MrApathyCream | used like this |
| 03:58:48 | MrApathyCream | BZF_DEFINE_ALIST(ListName, ElementType); |
| 03:58:58 | MrApathyCream | so |
| 03:58:59 | captain_proton | ugh... |
| 03:59:02 | captain_proton | is scared of that |
| 03:59:21 | MrApathyCream | BZF_DEFINE_ALIST(FlagPopInZoneList, FlagElement); |
| 03:59:34 | MrApathyCream | Where FlagElement is what you read out of the world file |
| 03:59:44 | MrApathyCream | Not that bad, actually... once you get used to it |
| 04:00:26 | MrApathyCream | Uhoh, wifee is trolling.... hide |
| 04:00:42 | MrApathyCream | hides behind closest tower |
| 04:00:50 | captain_proton | lol |
| 04:01:47 | vogon_jeltz | has an idea that *doesn't* require XML |
| 04:02:05 | captain_proton | ? |
| 04:02:07 | vogon_jeltz | I could write up an Ethereal decoder module for BZFlag |
| 04:02:09 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 04:02:17 | captain_proton | boo |
| 04:04:46 | vogon_jeltz | geez... this preemptible kernel thing is great |
| 04:06:14 | captain_proton | ha |
| 04:07:07 | captain_proton | needs 11 more episodes to complete |
| 04:14:23 | vogon_jeltz | complete what? |
| 04:14:32 | captain_proton | red dwarf |
| 04:15:09 | vogon_jeltz | *cough*give me some of them*/cough* |
| 04:15:29 | captain_proton | *cough*it would take about 80 years*/cough* |
| 04:17:19 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 04:17:21 | vogon_jeltz | on CD |
| 04:17:38 | vogon_jeltz | will pay for the spool of CDs... |
| 04:17:49 | captain_proton | postage too? :) |
| 04:17:55 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 04:21:19 | vogon_jeltz | you should get the spool of CDs down there, then burn them and send them to me with a bill... :) |
| 04:21:58 | captain_proton | hrm...you willing to buy me a full spool in the size i get? |
| 04:22:11 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:22:44 | vogon_jeltz | I'll pay you the cost of the actual number of CDs used, plus a proportional part of the sales tax ;) |
| 04:23:01 | captain_proton | >=| |
| 04:23:03 | vogon_jeltz | and the postage |
| 04:23:15 | captain_proton | not willing to buy me 100 cds? ;) |
| 04:23:23 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:24:08 | captain_proton | only $35... |
| 04:25:05 | vogon_jeltz | note: I technically don't have any money, and the lower the amount it costs, the greater chance I'll have to come into it somehow |
| 04:25:22 | captain_proton | then i'm demanding payment in advance |
| 04:25:50 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 04:25:59 | vogon_jeltz | but you have to itemize it and not overestimate... |
| 04:26:20 | vogon_jeltz | otherwise, I'll be expecting the difference in the mail with postage out of your pocket |
| 04:58:54 | vogon_jeltz | is away: 24 |
| 05:23:09 | abs | lo fellas |
| 05:35:07 | captain_proton | hey abs |
| 05:56:41 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:57:47) |
| 05:58:56 | captain_proton | wb |
| 05:59:03 | vogon_jeltz | hi :) |
| 05:59:11 | vogon_jeltz | you ever watch 24? |
| 05:59:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:59:21 | vogon_jeltz | ahh... damn good show |
| 06:00:38 | captain_proton | meh |
| 06:01:17 | vogon_jeltz | it's a 24-part drama miniseries |
| 06:14:44 | captain_proton | don't get ahead of yourself. you're a chicken-soup dispenser repair man, not Hank Handsome space adventurer |
| 06:15:27 | captain_proton | the future is the future. and like your underpants the chances of change are remote |
| 06:22:06 | MrApathyCream | wonders if the coast is clear |
| 06:23:57 | | A big fat guy, old enough to know not to stay up all nite playing, but does anyway. |
| 06:23:57 | MrApathyCream | ibot, who is MrApathyCream? |
| 06:30:38 | captain_proton | wb MrApathyCream |
| 06:42:28 | captain_proton | oh NO!!! |
| 06:42:44 | captain_proton | ATTACK OF THE GIANT TERRIBLE COMPLETELY INVISIBLE ALIENS! |
| 06:54:23 | vogon_jeltz | hahah |
| 06:57:45 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 15 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: ATTACK OF THE GIANT TERRIBLE COMPLETELY INVISIBLE ALIENS! [Wed Jan 16 06:42:44 2002] |
| 06:57:45 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen captain_proton? |
| 06:58:01 | | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 06:58:01 | MrApathyCream | ibot, captain_proton has lost his mind. |
| 06:58:56 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: Is FlagEnterZone any different than Box? |
| 06:59:17 | MrApathyCream | Also do we want to be able to specify what kinds of flags can pop in in each zone? |
| 06:59:27 | MrApathyCream | maybe team, good, bad?? |
| 06:59:47 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, maybe not |
| 06:59:51 | captain_proton | wanders back in |
| 07:00:04 | captain_proton | actually that sounds good |
| 07:00:11 | captain_proton | flagenterzone should have no height |
| 07:00:31 | MrApathyCream | hmmm not sure. Think about world designer... What do they specify for Z? |
| 07:00:33 | vogon_jeltz | dude, if people know that there are certain zones that only spawn bad flags, they'll avoid them |
| 07:01:03 | MrApathyCream | bad flag spawn zone: true |
| 07:01:10 | captain_proton | nothing...it'd be nice if teleporters had no x, bases & flag spawns had no z |
| 07:01:28 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yeah - perhaps just separate it out into superflags & team flags |
| 07:01:35 | vogon_jeltz | and if people know that certain zones only spawn good flags, they'll farm them, making it kinda useless |
| 07:01:45 | captain_proton | what of my idea then |
| 07:01:46 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:02:08 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it's not really a good idea to randomly spawn team flags, as they might be hidden too close to other objects |
| 07:02:18 | MrApathyCream | is still puzzling over what to specify for z |
| 07:02:44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: uhm...just don't parse for a z...have the thing look like this: |
| 07:02:50 | captain_proton | flagarea |
| 07:02:52 | captain_proton | position x y z |
| 07:02:54 | captain_proton | rotation are |
| 07:02:56 | captain_proton | size x y |
| 07:03:00 | captain_proton | end |
| 07:03:02 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:03:28 | MrApathyCream | Are you specifying landing site then (z)? |
| 07:03:36 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 07:03:51 | MrApathyCream | What if two buildings are in the same zone and they have different heights? |
| 07:04:07 | captain_proton | then you'd need another spawn area on top of the other building |
| 07:04:13 | captain_proton | this would make flags spawn TO z |
| 07:04:30 | MrApathyCream | If there was a size (z) you wouldn't really need that. |
| 07:04:35 | captain_proton | the designer would have to make sure the flag area doesn't intersect a building |
| 07:04:45 | captain_proton | yeah, but that makes the flag code a *lot* more complicated |
| 07:05:01 | vogon_jeltz | argh... this stupid fan |
| 07:05:30 | MrApathyCream | Ahh, pick a random x, y, z in the box. Reject it if it's in a box, otherwise look straight down until you find the next building. |
| 07:05:40 | MrApathyCream | If that building is in the zone, it's a valid drop point. |
| 07:05:41 | vogon_jeltz | it keeps spinning a bit off-center and hitting the casing |
| 07:05:58 | captain_proton | yeah that could work |
| 07:06:00 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: ta-ding! :) |
| 07:06:14 | vogon_jeltz | gives MrApathyCream a cookie |
| 07:06:30 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: tasty, |
| 07:06:48 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 07:07:03 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: we could just use the topmost() function for that |
| 07:07:13 | MrApathyCream | So it's just a box. then? what about flag ids per zone? |
| 07:07:38 | MrApathyCream | think about ctf decks... it was stupid because team flags came in on bases, easy to take to other bases |
| 07:07:49 | captain_proton | yeah that would be good |
| 07:07:57 | captain_proton | and its up to the designer to keep the flag distribution decent |
| 07:08:03 | MrApathyCream | we could put the team flags in that little cave at the center |
| 07:08:31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: that would be SWEET |
| 07:08:58 | MrApathyCream | you could also spawn GM, L, in treacherously difficult places to get too. |
| 07:09:34 | MrApathyCream | Although i suppose you could just camp there if you ever made it. hmmm |
| 07:09:52 | captain_proton | yeah - again, up to the world designer |
| 07:10:07 | captain_proton | we should rewrite the world code to use { and } |
| 07:10:12 | captain_proton | then it could look like this: |
| 07:10:15 | captain_proton | flagarea { |
| 07:10:20 | captain_proton | position { x y z } |
| 07:10:22 | captain_proton | rotation are |
| 07:10:27 | captain_proton | size { x y z } |
| 07:10:39 | captain_proton | flags { GM L BLUE } |
| 07:10:39 | captain_proton | } |
| 07:10:53 | MrApathyCream | You HEATHEN.... That's not XML! |
| 07:11:00 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:11:06 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:11:07 | captain_proton | we're not rewriting yet, remember? |
| 07:11:16 | captain_proton | but lets leave that for later |
| 07:11:32 | captain_proton | how about just like this: |
| 07:11:33 | captain_proton | flagarea { |
| 07:11:35 | captain_proton | oops |
| 07:11:37 | captain_proton | flagarea |
| 07:11:39 | captain_proton | position x y z |
| 07:11:44 | captain_proton | rotation are |
| 07:11:50 | captain_proton | size x y z |
| 07:11:53 | captain_proton | flag +L |
| 07:11:55 | captain_proton | flag +BLUE |
| 07:11:56 | captain_proton | end |
| 07:12:01 | MrApathyCream | likes the new format |
| 07:12:13 | captain_proton | which? |
| 07:12:19 | MrApathyCream | { } version |
| 07:12:19 | captain_proton | flag +x or {}? |
| 07:12:21 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:12:24 | captain_proton | yeah it'd be nicer |
| 07:12:44 | MrApathyCream | Hmmm logic for picking area just got more difficult |
| 07:12:59 | captain_proton | not too much more difficult |
| 07:13:00 | MrApathyCream | I'm dropping GM, what zones are valid? |
| 07:13:07 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: heh |
| 07:13:08 | captain_proton | because you have to pick a field first |
| 07:13:10 | MrApathyCream | need hashmap |
| 07:13:19 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: use topmost() to see if the flag will drop into a FlagArea |
| 07:13:25 | captain_proton | ok - when you drop a flag, you're going to randomly pick a flag area |
| 07:13:27 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: if not, zap it |
| 07:13:46 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: s/FlagArea/GM-legal FlagArea/ |
| 07:13:54 | MrApathyCream | First pick zone, then pick location in zone |
| 07:13:57 | captain_proton | just leave any areas that don't support that flag out of that calculation |
| 07:13:58 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:14:07 | captain_proton | because you're picking zones by surface area |
| 07:14:11 | MrApathyCream | As stated earlier, zones weighted for first calc by size |
| 07:14:12 | captain_proton | oh gross... |
| 07:14:16 | captain_proton | maybe volume area :P |
| 07:14:23 | MrApathyCream | volumn, yes |
| 07:15:02 | vogon_jeltz | just keep the Flagareas in a clump of linked lists |
| 07:15:14 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: we've figured that part out already |
| 07:15:15 | MrApathyCream | AList !!! woowoo!! |
| 07:15:16 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:15:55 | MrApathyCream | topmost? where? |
| 07:16:08 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: I was talking about dropping flags from tanks :) |
| 07:16:14 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: if you look at the fob code it should show you how to use topmost |
| 07:16:23 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:16:24 | captain_proton | it basically does a sweep downward to find the topmost element |
| 07:16:54 | MrApathyCream | actually though, we want to be able to drop things on a second level, even if there's a level above |
| 07:17:01 | MrApathyCream | so topmost isn't the cat's meow |
| 07:17:18 | MrApathyCream | but should be ok |
| 07:17:58 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: OK, how about weighting flagareas with a probability of having a flag fall through? |
| 07:18:10 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: huh? |
| 07:18:16 | MrApathyCream | oan: standard way to create a cross platform directory? |
| 07:18:21 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: huh? |
| 07:18:44 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: when it intersects with a FlagArea, roll random(), and if it exceeds a certain number, it falls through to the next one |
| 07:18:52 | vogon_jeltz | (in the topmost() test) |
| 07:19:04 | MrApathyCream | 'spose |
| 07:19:21 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: we're gonna start by coming up with a random z and going downwards |
| 07:19:34 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:19:35 | captain_proton | if it drops out the bottom try again |
| 07:19:42 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: hehe |
| 07:20:22 | captain_proton | the people in AO are trying to guess my name because one of the biggies joked that he was standing outside my dorm room (my door is open) |
| 07:20:32 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:20:50 | MrApathyCream | so each FlagEnterZone will have an AList of flags supported? |
| 07:20:57 | captain_proton | i said i have a common jewish name - the one jewish guy got it in 2 guesses but everybody else can |
| 07:21:06 | captain_proton | 't get it :) |
| 07:21:12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah sounds good |
| 07:21:12 | MrApathyCream | david? |
| 07:21:20 | captain_proton | yeah? |
| 07:21:20 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: no, give each flag an AList of zones in which it can be put |
| 07:21:32 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: vogon_jeltz has a point |
| 07:21:39 | MrApathyCream | yeah that's a whole lot better |
| 07:21:53 | vogon_jeltz | plus, you can use those nifty-neato STL dealies :) |
| 07:22:05 | captain_proton | i don't think we should introduce STL until we |
| 07:22:12 | captain_proton | start on 1.8 |
| 07:22:15 | MrApathyCream | you said a dirty word,,, i'll report you to the bzpolice |
| 07:22:17 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:22:23 | vogon_jeltz | restarted his pet project with STL stuff instead of a home-grown linked list |
| 07:22:27 | captain_proton | dirty word? 1.8? |
| 07:22:32 | MrApathyCream | stl |
| 07:22:34 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:22:36 | captain_proton | STL is a godsend |
| 07:22:48 | captain_proton | just remember std:: or you'll be sorry =/ |
| 07:22:48 | MrApathyCream | I agree, stl s/b used... but... |
| 07:22:54 | captain_proton | s/b? |
| 07:22:57 | MrApathyCream | should be |
| 07:23:00 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:23:16 | captain_proton | well when we get going on 1.8 we'll use it instead of all the AList junk |
| 07:23:26 | vogon_jeltz | just thinks we should wrap std::list in AList |
| 07:23:38 | vogon_jeltz | that way, we can use it now :) |
| 07:23:48 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: why make it more complicated now? |
| 07:23:50 | MrApathyCream | What happens if a flag type doesn't have any FlagEnterZones? |
| 07:23:59 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: then it spawns randomly |
| 07:24:21 | captain_proton | we should also have 'good', 'bad', 'team', and 'all' as valid identifiers |
| 07:24:29 | MrApathyCream | You stole my thoughts |
| 07:24:54 | vogon_jeltz | a negation operator'd be nice, too |
| 07:25:00 | MrApathyCream | so since flags are outside of zones, does the world format change |
| 07:25:00 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: ? |
| 07:25:07 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ? |
| 07:25:08 | vogon_jeltz | so you could have flag { +all -GM } |
| 07:25:18 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yeah good thinking |
| 07:25:18 | vogon_jeltz | (all but GM) |
| 07:25:35 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: Each flag will have a list of zones, right? |
| 07:25:46 | captain_proton | yessir |
| 07:25:57 | MrApathyCream | So will the worldfile symbolize this, or will the flags still be listed in each zone |
| 07:26:06 | MrApathyCream | and the parser will have to do the work of turning it inside out |
| 07:26:08 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: listed in each zone |
| 07:26:11 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: not that hard |
| 07:26:24 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:26:27 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: just keep an array of the first elements in the linked lists |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | parser can handle that |
| 07:26:39 | vogon_jeltz | s/first elements/pointers to the first elements/ |
| 07:26:45 | captain_proton | bought a l33t textbook today |
| 07:26:58 | | wish i knew, mrapathycream |
| 07:26:58 | MrApathyCream | ibot, what is 133t? |
| 07:27:10 | vogon_jeltz | and when you get a new zone for a flag, follow the next's to the last element, tie one on, and you're done :) |
| 07:27:36 | MrApathyCream | ahh, AList's are just arrays, but same concept applies |
| 07:27:46 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:27:59 | vogon_jeltz | that's the cheap way of making a pseudo-linked-list :) |
| 07:28:06 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:28:23 | vogon_jeltz | dynamically-allocated arrays are so cheesy |
| 07:28:51 | MrApathyCream | not as cheesy as simple arrays |
| 07:28:54 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:29:07 | MrApathyCream | oan: standard way to create a cross platform directory? |
| 07:29:14 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 07:29:27 | captain_proton | oan? |
| 07:29:32 | MrApathyCream | on another note |
| 07:30:07 | MrApathyCream | <for cached map files> |
| 07:30:11 | vogon_jeltz | on Linux, it's mknod(pathname, mode, dev); |
| 07:30:37 | vogon_jeltz | oop, mkdir() |
| 07:30:40 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:30:46 | vogon_jeltz | int mkdir(const char *pathname, mode_t mode); |
| 07:30:52 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 07:31:12 | vogon_jeltz | saw "directory" in mknod(2) and jumped at the sight |
| 07:31:40 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:31:42 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if MrApathyCream is familiar with the concept of UNIX file permissions |
| 07:31:46 | vogon_jeltz | >:) |
| 07:31:55 | MrApathyCream | read, write, execute? |
| 07:32:05 | MrApathyCream | owner, group, everyone? |
| 07:32:06 | vogon_jeltz | yeh, but how do you convert them into numbers? ;) |
| 07:32:07 | captain_proton | at the most basic yeah |
| 07:32:14 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: thats unimportant |
| 07:32:19 | MrApathyCream | 7=all |
| 07:32:24 | vogon_jeltz | cheeze |
| 07:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | kicks ApathyCream |
| 07:32:40 | vogon_jeltz | that information is not available at your security clearance |
| 07:32:48 | vogon_jeltz | please report to the nearest termination center |
| 07:32:56 | MrApathyCream | cries in pain |
| 07:33:10 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:33:40 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't remember that line from Red Dwarf |
| 07:33:59 | captain_proton | its from 804: cassandra |
| 07:34:03 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 07:34:44 | MrApathyCream | from win32: _CRTIMP int __cdecl _mkdir(const char *); |
| 07:35:01 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 07:35:16 | vogon_jeltz | j00 g0t 0wn3d by the Whine32 API! |
| 07:35:36 | MrApathyCream | Mac? FsDirCreate(FSSpec *pSpec ); |
| 07:35:54 | captain_proton | hrm let me look up the FSSpec structure |
| 07:36:31 | MrApathyCream | http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Carbon/Files/FileManager/File_Manager/DataTypes/FSSpec.html |
| 07:36:37 | vogon_jeltz | my god... |
| 07:36:45 | MrApathyCream | its full of stars |
| 07:36:49 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:36:52 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, MrApathyCream++ |
| 07:36:54 | MrApathyCream | Mac guy for 9 years, dude |
| 07:36:56 | captain_proton | struct FSSpec { |
| 07:36:56 | captain_proton | short vRefNum; |
| 07:36:56 | captain_proton | long parID; |
| 07:36:56 | captain_proton | char name[64]; |
| 07:36:56 | captain_proton | }; |
| 07:37:33 | captain_proton | my only experience with that was porting a windows program that was ported from a mac program that was ported from a DOS program |
| 07:37:41 | MrApathyCream | oooh, fun |
| 07:37:48 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:37:53 | MrApathyCream | in the end it did nothing equally well on all platforms? |
| 07:40:10 | MrApathyCream | I can assume something like (with better names) |
| 07:40:14 | MrApathyCream | BZF_DEFINE_ALIST(FlagEnterZoneList, CustomBox *); |
| 07:40:14 | MrApathyCream | BZF_DEFINE_ALIST(FlagZoneList, FlagEnterZoneList*); |
| 07:40:33 | MrApathyCream | for each flag? |
| 07:40:46 | MrApathyCream | FlagZoneList that is |
| 07:41:07 | vogon_jeltz | *shrug* |
| 07:41:49 | MrApathyCream | parsing should be fun |
| 07:41:58 | captain_proton | yeppers |
| 07:42:11 | captain_proton | considers completely rewriting the world parser to use {} |
| 07:42:49 | MrApathyCream | Why not.... doesn't break compatibility with clients |
| 07:43:14 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 07:45:07 | MrApathyCream | Just make sure you reuse the same custom box, in all flag lists... or memory bloat problems |
| 07:46:10 | captain_proton | yeah good point |
| 07:46:41 | MrApathyCream | thinks he hears vogon_jeltz snoring |
| 07:46:45 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:46:57 | vogon_jeltz | was just on a quick sugar break |
| 07:47:22 | MrApathyCream | crunchberries? |
| 07:47:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:47:30 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:47:40 | vogon_jeltz | "fun"-size butterfinger |
| 07:47:52 | MrApathyCream | whole bag? |
| 07:47:55 | vogon_jeltz | no, 2 |
| 07:48:00 | vogon_jeltz | (bars, not bags) |
| 07:48:06 | MrApathyCream | yuk yuk |
| 07:48:20 | vogon_jeltz | I may be gluttonous, but not to that extent |
| 07:49:00 | MrApathyCream | how to collaborate: through diff files? |
| 07:49:16 | captain_proton | yeah probably best |
| 07:49:20 | captain_proton | diffing off of CVS? |
| 07:49:27 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if he should pitch in, too |
| 07:49:35 | MrApathyCream | 'spose |
| 07:49:56 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: more the merrier |
| 07:49:59 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:50:09 | MrApathyCream | e5 i assume |
| 07:50:23 | vogon_jeltz | heh... I guess |
| 07:51:14 | MrApathyCream | ok, let's do the hardest part.... names... |
| 07:51:18 | vogon_jeltz | has his e5 tree in /usr/src/bzflag-dead_netcode |
| 07:51:27 | vogon_jeltz | lemme check something first |
| 07:51:28 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:51:57 | MrApathyCream | Need structure to hold one FlagEntryZone... name? |
| 07:52:09 | MrApathyCream | oh, wait guess is CustomBox |
| 07:52:31 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... OK |
| 07:52:54 | MrApathyCream | Need List to hold a bunch of CustomBoxes for one flag.... name? |
| 07:53:10 | vogon_jeltz | FlagEntryZones |
| 07:53:12 | captain_proton | FlagEnterZoneList |
| 07:53:19 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz's is better |
| 07:53:19 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: like |
| 07:53:24 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:53:32 | MrApathyCream | either is ok |
| 07:53:38 | MrApathyCream | need list to hold all flags |
| 07:53:39 | captain_proton | zones i say |
| 07:53:58 | MrApathyCream | Need list to hold array of FlagEntryZones |
| 07:54:03 | MrApathyCream | each element corresponds to a flag |
| 07:54:09 | vogon_jeltz | FlagEntryAstroda |
| 07:54:14 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:54:19 | | bugger all, i dunno, mrapathycream |
| 07:54:19 | MrApathyCream | ibot, what is astroda |
| 07:54:28 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/loki.html |
| 07:54:41 | captain_proton | nooooo don't get sucked in |
| 07:55:19 | MrApathyCream | see, it's the toughest part! |
| 07:55:31 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 07:55:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, astroda is <reply>http://icculus.org/~vogon/loki.html |
| 07:55:44 | vogon_jeltz | how about FlagEntryZoneList? |
| 07:55:55 | vogon_jeltz | nah, too confusing |
| 07:55:57 | MrApathyCream | hehe, nice and confusing |
| 07:56:06 | captain_proton | how about FlagZoneList |
| 07:56:07 | vogon_jeltz | how about FlagEntryZoneListList? |
| 07:56:09 | captain_proton | or FlagZones |
| 07:56:19 | vogon_jeltz | how about EntryZoneFlagList? |
| 07:56:36 | vogon_jeltz | (it's a list of flags and their entry zones) |
| 07:56:43 | MrApathyCream | slaps vogon_jeltz with a mildly wet haddock |
| 07:57:14 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: ok, thats fine, ok with you captain_proton? |
| 07:57:25 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:57:41 | vogon_jeltz | can now claim credit, even if he never writes a single line of code |
| 07:58:18 | captain_proton | good for me |
| 07:58:23 | vogon_jeltz | I'll do the parser stuff... |
| 07:58:31 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:58:37 | vogon_jeltz | except for the brace thingies |
| 07:58:47 | vogon_jeltz | meh... I might even do those :) |
| 07:59:03 | captain_proton | smiles |
| 07:59:11 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: hehe |
| 07:59:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: don't think I'm up to the challenge? |
| 07:59:40 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: planned the same |
| 07:59:52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 08:00:09 | vogon_jeltz | checks out the latest BZFlag CVS |
| 08:00:16 | MrApathyCream | now expects a three round slugfest |
| 08:00:36 | vogon_jeltz | 'k... let's divide the work |
| 08:00:39 | vogon_jeltz | I'll handle the parser stuff |
| 08:00:54 | captain_proton | uhm...i was going to do that =/ |
| 08:00:56 | MrApathyCream | i believe those were captain_proton's exact words :) |
| 08:00:57 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 08:01:11 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: then I don't have anything to do :/ |
| 08:01:25 | MrApathyCream | Hey no one's fighting me... I'll do the flag entry stuff. |
| 08:02:32 | MrApathyCream | Why doesn't someone write algo to pick a x, y, z location from all the possible zones. |
| 08:02:38 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... |
| 08:02:43 | vogon_jeltz | I guess I could do that |
| 08:02:49 | MrApathyCream | I'll do the building detection stuff |
| 08:02:53 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 08:03:05 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: choose an area by availability/flag and volume |
| 08:03:06 | MrApathyCream | Just weight each zone based on the volume of it |
| 08:03:09 | vogon_jeltz | attempts to find a pencil |
| 08:03:25 | MrApathyCream | Sheesh if only them dang computers had notepads |
| 08:03:55 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:04:14 | vogon_jeltz | I got a fairly evil idea on my walk to the pencil and back |
| 08:04:31 | MrApathyCream | put the pencil down, before anyone gets hurt |
| 08:04:46 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: shoot |
| 08:04:55 | MrApathyCream | bad choice of words |
| 08:05:03 | vogon_jeltz | throws the pencil |
| 08:05:20 | MrApathyCream | wonders when his last tetanus shot was |
| 08:05:27 | captain_proton | is guessing vogon_jeltz doesn't have a gas or chemically-powered pencil gun |
| 08:05:38 | vogon_jeltz | no, but that's a good idea |
| 08:05:54 | vogon_jeltz | jots something down on his to-do list: "pencil gun" |
| 08:07:58 | vogon_jeltz | anyway, my idea was to modify the zones in a scratch pad so that they kept the same volumes, but all of them had x and y (or y and z, or x and z) dimensions equal... line them up, pick a triple, and divide by the factors you used to skew the dimensions |
| 08:08:22 | vogon_jeltz | (after you figured out the offset from the zone including the point) |
| 08:09:45 | vogon_jeltz | that requires 3*n multiplications, 3 divisions, n comparisons, and 3 random() calls :) |
| 08:09:59 | vogon_jeltz | s/random/rand/ |
| 08:10:23 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: just do it more simply |
| 08:10:32 | vogon_jeltz | meh... I like my method |
| 08:11:04 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: just checking - we do want new people to be able to understand what the code does, right?! |
| 08:11:08 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 08:11:19 | vogon_jeltz | will obsessively comment it |
| 08:11:29 | vogon_jeltz | with boxology and everything |
| 08:11:44 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: just do it with the SIMPLE method |
| 08:11:47 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 08:11:53 | vogon_jeltz | phbbbbbbt! :) |
| 08:11:58 | captain_proton | skewing demensions isn't easily understandable |
| 08:12:34 | vogon_jeltz | the canonical way (find volumes, divide by the total, compare, and get a random triplet) isn't all that great, either |
| 08:12:56 | M | thinks that cvs and data directory conspired to bounce his connection. |
| 08:13:12 | M | did i miss the evil idea? |
| 08:13:18 | vogon_jeltz | it requires 4 calls to rand, n additions, n comparisons, and n multiplications |
| 08:13:35 | vogon_jeltz | M: prolly |
| 08:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | <vogon_jeltz> anyway, my idea was to modify the zones in a scratch pad so that they kept the same volumes, but all of them had x and y (or y and z, or x and z) dimensions equal... line them up, pick a triple, and divide by the factors you used to skew the dimensions |
| 08:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | <vogon_jeltz> (after you figured out the offset from the zone including the point) |
| 08:14:43 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the canonical way only saves 2 operations, and it's not nearly as cool as my way |
| 08:15:08 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: true... |
| 08:15:22 | captain_proton | but why do something complicated when a simple method is *more* *efficient*?! |
| 08:15:25 | M | it's not time critical so whatever works' |
| 08:15:45 | captain_proton | M: vogon_jeltz'z method is hard to grasp - the other one is simple |
| 08:15:52 | vogon_jeltz | plus, rand() is more expensive computationally than the extra division that I need... |
| 08:16:11 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: with the other one you only need *1* call to rand() |
| 08:16:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: ehnnnnt... |
| 08:16:32 | M | probably need 3 ->x , y, z? |
| 08:16:40 | captain_proton | mmm yeah |
| 08:16:46 | captain_proton | ok, *1 fewer* |
| 08:16:48 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you need to generate a random triplet (or ordered pair), plus one to find the zone you're putting it in |
| 08:17:00 | captain_proton | meh |
| 08:17:00 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: once again, ehnnnnnnnt.... wrong answer |
| 08:17:11 | M | missed the stream of conciousness |
| 08:17:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: in my method, the zones are all lined up, so you only need to generate 3 random numbers |
| 08:18:02 | captain_proton | thinks |
| 08:18:04 | M | Need to do offsets for all boxes right? |
| 08:18:20 | M | keep 2 copies of each box, or recalculate each time. |
| 08:18:26 | vogon_jeltz | M: yeah, but you need to do that for the canonical way, too |
| 08:18:29 | captain_proton | your method will have an equal # of flags in the small areas as in the big ones |
| 08:18:38 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: how so? |
| 08:18:44 | M | no it won't |
| 08:18:49 | vogon_jeltz | points out that he's only skewing 2 dimensions |
| 08:19:08 | captain_proton | oh yuck |
| 08:19:12 | vogon_jeltz | the third one changes so that the box has a constant volume |
| 08:19:39 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: not yuck... you can just choose a predefined value for both :) |
| 08:19:41 | M | I would calc total volume, divide each individual volume by total, and give each individual volume a range of numbers |
| 08:20:07 | vogon_jeltz | M: which would still require an float * to hold the offsets |
| 08:20:11 | vogon_jeltz | s/an/a/ |
| 08:20:11 | M | so box 1 would be in range 0.0 - 0.3, box 2 0.3 - 0.55, box 3 0.55 - 1.0 |
| 08:20:23 | M | one rand call would pick which box |
| 08:20:25 | vogon_jeltz | M: that's what I'm referring to as the canonical way :) |
| 08:20:34 | vogon_jeltz | M: then 3 more would be needed to find where in the box it is |
| 08:20:38 | M | thats 4 rands, no offsets |
| 08:20:54 | vogon_jeltz | M: there are still offsets, they're just between 0 and 1 |
| 08:20:56 | captain_proton | you'd need to skew all 3 dimensions if i understand this right... |
| 08:21:12 | M | skew 1 dimension, i believe |
| 08:21:15 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: true, but I'm making sure to keep equal volume |
| 08:21:16 | captain_proton | if you skew x and y you need to skew z by the inverse of the differential in volume |
| 08:21:21 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yup |
| 08:21:46 | captain_proton | wth are you doing this? its far too complicated to be useful to coders later on |
| 08:21:49 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 08:21:51 | captain_proton | even if you comment prolifically |
| 08:21:59 | vogon_jeltz | fine, I'll do it the sane way |
| 08:22:17 | vogon_jeltz | ... killjoy |
| 08:22:21 | M | hehe |
| 08:22:43 | captain_proton | hrm i should go to sleep...class at 8 am |
| 08:22:51 | vogon_jeltz | needs some code to fiddle with first |
| 08:23:03 | captain_proton | yeah...all waiting on you apathy |
| 08:23:15 | vogon_jeltz | uh, no, I'm waiting on you first |
| 08:23:44 | captain_proton | wait - who's writing all the structures? |
| 08:23:58 | vogon_jeltz | hell, I can kludge up my own AList access routine... I need a parser to read in the values, tho |
| 08:24:21 | captain_proton | for now just hard code in some test values, k? |
| 08:24:27 | vogon_jeltz | eep |
| 08:24:36 | M | putting in structures now |
| 08:24:42 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:24:52 | captain_proton | M: you know how to DCC? |
| 08:24:54 | vogon_jeltz | make sure all your newlines are UNIX-proper |
| 08:25:01 | M | killjoy |
| 08:25:06 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 08:25:13 | M | no \A or no \D |
| 08:25:25 | captain_proton | no \ |
| 08:25:26 | vogon_jeltz | no, I'm not a killjoy, I'd just like to be able to patch it without running sed |
| 08:25:27 | captain_proton | ack |
| 08:25:32 | captain_proton | no \n |
| 08:25:36 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:25:37 | M | 13 or 10 |
| 08:25:39 | vogon_jeltz | no, no \r |
| 08:25:53 | vogon_jeltz | 13 |
| 08:26:13 | captain_proton | feels bad...typed \n by habit |
| 08:26:23 | M | so remove 13, right |
| 08:26:25 | vogon_jeltz | IIRC, UNIX is LF, Mac is CR, and Windows is CRLF |
| 08:26:30 | vogon_jeltz | M: yeah, I think so |
| 08:27:48 | vogon_jeltz | oh, and I thought of another compelling reason to use my method |
| 08:28:10 | captain_proton | whats that? it keeps away noob coders? |
| 08:28:13 | M | calls to mind the phrase "baited breath" |
| 08:28:33 | | bugger all, i dunno, m |
| 08:28:33 | M | ibot, what is noob |
| 08:28:45 | captain_proton | does a rimmer-style 'fwaaaah' at M's baited breath |
| 08:28:47 | vogon_jeltz | most random number generators are truly awful |
| 08:28:57 | captain_proton | M: noob = noo bee = newbie |
| 08:29:09 | vogon_jeltz | nu-b == newbie, too |
| 08:29:24 | vogon_jeltz | 1337, l33t, 133t, etc. == elite |
| 08:29:30 | M | but not, gnub? |
| 08:29:44 | captain_proton | M: no, because that would be guh-noo-bee |
| 08:29:57 | vogon_jeltz | technically, elite should be in quotes, as they're usually used as derogatory remarks towards l33t h4x0rz |
| 08:30:07 | vogon_jeltz | (especially 1337) |
| 08:30:23 | M | hey look i've joined |
| 08:30:29 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:30:29 | captain_proton | lol |
| 08:30:29 | M | automagically! |
| 08:30:40 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, X-Chat does that |
| 08:31:05 | vogon_jeltz | you might wanna register your nick if you're going to hang out here a lot |
| 08:31:14 | captain_proton | i1586? what is that? |
| 08:31:14 | vogon_jeltz | /msg nickserv help |
| 08:31:21 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 08:31:32 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 08:31:32 | captain_proton | M: what processor j00 got? |
| 08:32:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: Windows, IIRC, has no facilities to query processor info |
| 08:32:23 | M | p4 1800 |
| 08:32:24 | captain_proton | -M- VERSION xchat 1.8.7 Windoze 5.1 [i1586/1795MHz] |
| 08:32:48 | captain_proton | is amused at the new architecture... |
| 08:32:56 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... the 1795 seems close enough, but I can't seem to figure out what ass i1586 is pulled out of |
| 08:32:58 | captain_proton | never heard of an i1586 |
| 08:33:16 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: its pulled out of microsoft's arse |
| 08:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: your DCC's pucknutted |
| 08:33:35 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: you behind a firewall? |
| 08:33:38 | captain_proton | ahhhhh....i've been watching too much RD....using british terms |
| 08:33:42 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:33:51 | MrApathyCream | no, other than isp |
| 08:34:11 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: well, they've decided to kill high-numbered TCP ports... you might wanna bitch to them |
| 08:34:33 | MrApathyCream | can't get file? |
| 08:34:37 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 08:34:48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you have my email? |
| 08:34:54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:35:06 | MrApathyCream | dbrosius@chesco.com |
| 08:35:07 | captain_proton | send me your files there since dcc is "pucknutted" |
| 08:35:17 | captain_proton | no that would be *your* email |
| 08:35:18 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:35:32 | MrApathyCream | oh.. sourceforge |
| 08:35:33 | vogon_jeltz | send me t3h w4r3z at vogon@icculus.org |
| 08:35:35 | MrApathyCream | email i have |
| 08:35:41 | captain_proton | jupiter@babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 08:35:49 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: t3h w4r3z? |
| 08:35:51 | captain_proton | :)\ |
| 08:35:53 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:36:07 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: and could you send it as an attachment, plz :) |
| 08:36:08 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 08:36:16 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: I use PINE for my e-mail accesses |
| 08:36:23 | captain_proton | yes same |
| 08:37:53 | MrApathyCream | You have mail |
| 08:38:18 | MrApathyCream | declines to whistle the windoze 'you've got mail' tune |
| 08:38:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:38:56 | captain_proton | checks out cvs |
| 08:39:03 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:39:12 | captain_proton | teehee...it finished in the time it took to type that |
| 08:39:59 | captain_proton | byebye m! |
| 08:40:09 | captain_proton | gee that diff is so huge... |
| 08:40:59 | vogon_jeltz | waits for the parser |
| 08:41:22 | MrApathyCream | diff format ok? |
| 08:41:27 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 08:41:36 | vogon_jeltz | gotta love pine |
| 08:41:56 | vogon_jeltz | i>>s<enter> was all it took to get the diff :) |
| 08:42:45 | vogon_jeltz | I moved it into my icculus.org webspace, visited it with mozilla, saved it to a file, and patched, and I was done... bwahahaha |
| 08:42:55 | MrApathyCream | i blow blow s suck enter blow |
| 08:43:01 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 08:43:50 | MrApathyCream | .bzflag . means don't show on default ls? |
| 08:43:58 | vogon_jeltz | yup... |
| 08:44:05 | MrApathyCream | same for directories? |
| 08:44:09 | vogon_jeltz | dot-files aren't shown unless you use the -a option |
| 08:44:11 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 08:44:57 | MrApathyCream | smells smoke, wonders captain_proton working on parser, now? |
| 08:45:26 | captain_proton | no, /me was brushing his teeth |
| 08:45:49 | MrApathyCream | ahh, that was the smoke |
| 08:45:59 | captain_proton | i don't brush them that fast |
| 08:46:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:46:21 | captain_proton | offers his nerdboard to MrApathyCream - care to go kill yourself? |
| 08:47:05 | MrApathyCream | would like to kill himself, but doesn't know how nerdboard would help |
| 08:47:16 | captain_proton | do you know what a nerdboard is? |
| 08:47:23 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 08:47:35 | captain_proton | its my cute little 21" skateboard |
| 08:47:36 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:48:05 | MrApathyCream | 30 years ago i skated.... back when wheels were steel... |
| 08:48:18 | MrApathyCream | realizes he sounds crotchedy |
| 08:48:19 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:48:41 | captain_proton | its loads of fun but takes several days to learn to balance on a foot and 3/4 of board |
| 08:49:06 | MrApathyCream | 21x? |
| 08:49:31 | vogon_jeltz | plays T2 while waiting for a parser |
| 08:49:40 | MrApathyCream | impatient, aint he! |
| 08:49:48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 08:50:05 | MrApathyCream | 21" x ?" |
| 08:50:20 | captain_proton | about 4.5" |
| 08:50:51 | MrApathyCream | wonders about stress-loading in regards to himself and said nerdboard |
| 08:50:53 | captain_proton | its a kiddie skateboard - has tigger on the bottom, and the wheels that came with it wouldn't roll w/ my weight on them |
| 08:51:01 | captain_proton | they're actually fairly sturdy |
| 08:51:16 | captain_proton | and cheap enough to replace often |
| 08:51:17 | | A big fat guy, old enough to know not to stay up all nite playing, but does anyway. |
| 08:51:17 | MrApathyCream | ibot, who is MrApathyCream |
| 08:52:11 | captain_proton | Lab 01: question 1: what command would find the man page for exit in section 2 of the manual? |
| 08:52:32 | captain_proton | Lab 01: question 2: What command would list all the man pages related to the key word network? |
| 08:52:47 | captain_proton | Lab 01: question 6: What shell are you using? |
| 08:53:54 | captain_proton | my god this class is going to be easy |
| 08:54:04 | MrApathyCream | waits for function void getNextFlagEntryPoint( FlagId id, float *pos ); |
| 08:54:41 | captain_proton | thinks about putting it off till tomorrow and going to sleep |
| 08:54:55 | MrApathyCream | wonders aimlessly off to bed |
| 08:55:05 | captain_proton | ok that settles it |
| 08:55:07 | captain_proton | goodnight everyone |
| 08:55:10 | MrApathyCream | cya |
| 08:55:48 | MrApathyCream | wonders if vogon_jeltz has fallen asleep with nose resting on the 'g' key |
| 10:07:07 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 14:05:46 | Ruudi | hi |
| 14:14:17 | vogon_jeltz | mmm... creamed apathy |
| 14:20:05 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 14:20:26 | | Ruudi was last seen on #bzflag 14 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: hi [Wed Jan 16 14:05:46 2002] |
| 14:20:26 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen Ruudi? |
| 14:20:36 | | i don't know, mrapathycream |
| 14:20:36 | MrApathyCream | ibot, who is Ruudi? |
| 14:20:43 | Ruudi | hmm |
| 14:21:21 | MrApathyCream | vogon_jeltz: hey what's the lame command again? |
| 14:21:50 | vogon_jeltz | nickometer |
| 14:21:53 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 14:22:03 | | 'MrApathyCream' is 49% lame, MrApathyCream |
| 14:22:03 | MrApathyCream | ibot, nickometer MrApathyCream |
| 14:22:06 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 14:22:24 | vogon_jeltz | nerf: nickometer )-=f00_b4r_b4z_quux=-( |
| 14:22:33 | | ')-=f00_b4r_b4z_quux=-(' is 88% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 14:22:33 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer )-=f00_b4r_b4z_quux=-( |
| 14:22:45 | vogon_jeltz | argh... too many channels have the same bot in them :\ |
| 14:22:56 | vogon_jeltz | nerf is the bot over in #loki |
| 16:23:08 | | 'Chestal' is 0% lame, Chestal |
| 16:23:08 | Chestal | ibot, nickometer Chestal |
| 16:23:20 | | 'vogon_jeltz' is 2% lame, Chestal |
| 16:23:20 | Chestal | ibot, nickometer vogon_jeltz |
| 17:28:51 | captain_proton | comes back |
| 17:29:51 | captain_proton | oh i'm proud - first day of access to the CS labs and i've already messed up my dotfiles |
| 18:27:04 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you there? |
| 18:32:37 | BZFlag | now.. |
| 18:35:25 | captain_proton | i believe there were some files you wanted me to send you? |
| 18:37:22 | BZFlag | hmm.. not that I recall now. |
| 18:37:30 | captain_proton | shrek & the like |
| 18:39:01 | BZFlag | ahh.. sure! ;-) |
| 18:39:18 | captain_proton | how should i send them? |
| 19:24:37 | abstract | lo fellas |
| 19:37:51 | captain_proton | 'lo abstract |
| 19:59:29 | captain_proton | so uhm BZFlag - can you still higher capacity sodimm's in that thing? |
| 20:02:56 | BZFlag | 32M hardware works, but not used under linux do to the memory layout not being supported in sw at present. |
| 20:03:20 | BZFlag | so with some hacking 8M+32M sodimm should work. |
| 20:03:34 | BZFlag | 64M sodimm will take hardware changes. |
| 20:04:00 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 21:07:42 | captain_proton | so with the pcmcia slot i could just drop in an ethernet card, load up the module and it would work? |
| 21:16:31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: this thing looks uber-hackable :D |
| 21:17:21 | captain_proton | how much room is there under the hood? |
| 21:17:25 | BZFlag | pcmcia slots are only 3.3v |
| 21:17:41 | captain_proton | 3.3v? is that a problem? |
| 21:17:49 | BZFlag | many net cards are 5v. if you need a 5v slot there is a 5v hack. ;-) |
| 21:17:57 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:18:07 | captain_proton | is there room for more stuff in there? |
| 21:18:11 | BZFlag | cf cards are all dual so they all work in carriers |
| 21:18:14 | BZFlag | sure. |
| 21:18:25 | captain_proton | cf? |
| 21:18:31 | BZFlag | the shanip board fits in there no problem. see the pics. compact flash |
| 21:18:40 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 21:18:49 | captain_proton | i wasn't thinking of that... |
| 21:19:01 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/img/images.html |
| 21:19:15 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/img/mvc-609f.jpg |
| 21:19:39 | BZFlag | plenty o space. |
| 21:20:14 | BZFlag | have not tried an ide drive though. I suspect a laptop size would fit. |
| 21:20:19 | captain_proton | i might add a wireless handset to it :) |
| 21:20:39 | captain_proton | is there an IDE controller?!? |
| 21:23:40 | BZFlag | no. but ide controller electronics are fairly simple. also an ide pcmcia card would work. |
| 21:23:59 | captain_proton | ITS WALL-MOUNTABLE!!!! |
| 21:24:06 | captain_proton | that is KICK-ASS! |
| 21:24:11 | captain_proton | BZFlag: you magician |
| 21:27:25 | captain_proton | how did you get the casings manufactured? |
| 21:31:16 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SomeHistory |
| 23:01:25 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 34 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: how did you get the casings manufactured? [Wed Jan 16 21:27:25 2002] |
| 23:01:25 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen captain_proton? |
| 23:01:37 | | vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 38 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: nerf is the bot over in #loki [Wed Jan 16 14:22:56 2002] |
| 23:01:37 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen vogon_jeltz? |
| 23:06:59 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 35 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SomeHistory [Wed Jan 16 21:31:16 2002] |
| 23:06:59 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen BZFlag? |
| 23:31:24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: vogon_jeltz: You've got Mail! |
| 23:31:47 | MrApathyCream | Hey anyone I did: |
| 23:32:27 | MrApathyCream | cvs -d:pserver:dbrosius@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 23:32:43 | MrApathyCream | got unknown user... something else I need do? |
| 23:34:09 | mbarron | Hey Tim! i have a question about arrays if you have a minute |
| 23:36:06 | BZFlag | hit me |
| 23:36:44 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: need to go over ssh to use a username. |
| 23:36:57 | BZFlag | cvs -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 23:37:14 | BZFlag | cvs -d:ext:dbrosius@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 23:37:34 | BZFlag | either will work. assuming you have CVS_RSH=ssh etc. |
| 23:38:12 | MrApathyCream | got: |
| 23:38:32 | MrApathyCream | > usw-pr-cvs.sourceforge.net:Connection refused |
| 23:38:32 | MrApathyCream | rsh: can't establish connection |
| 23:38:32 | MrApathyCream | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 23:38:55 | MrApathyCream | hmmm... CVS_RSH=ssh, is there doc about this somewhere? |
| 23:40:26 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: OS? |
| 23:40:34 | MrApathyCream | win32.... sorry |
| 23:40:48 | mbarron | i created an array in a class implementation can i use it in a seperate class's implementation? |
| 23:40:54 | BZFlag | http://sourceforge.net/docman/index.php?group_id=1 |
| 23:41:12 | BZFlag | see the win32/cvs/ssh pages |
| 23:41:47 | BZFlag | mbarron: the array is a member of the class? |
| 23:41:55 | MrApathyCream | oooh getting close, i downloaded ssh module from somewhere |
| 23:41:59 | MrApathyCream | no it's poping up error dialogs |
| 23:42:04 | mbarron | no |
| 23:42:27 | BZFlag | where does it live then? global? static? local? |
| 23:43:09 | mbarron | local |
| 23:43:37 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Hmm i think i got it,,, just need a better ssh module |
| 23:44:51 | MrApathyCream | mbarron: local variable (on stack?) or member variable? |
| 23:45:56 | mbarron | local |
| 23:46:04 | mbarron | but it is an array |
| 23:46:39 | MrApathyCream | No, can't access it outside of the method |
| 23:47:10 | mbarron | what if i made it a member variable of another class? |
| 23:47:33 | MrApathyCream | If that other class's object was defined as a local in this method, it still wouldn't work |
| 23:47:52 | MrApathyCream | The object that holds the array, needs to NOT be defined on the stack of the method |
| 23:48:21 | MrApathyCream | Why do you need to define this array as a local variable to a method? |
| 23:48:39 | BZFlag | mbarron: once the function leaves the local array will be gone anyway. |
| 23:48:47 | mbarron | i dont, i was just writing and not thinking about the need it the other class |
| 23:49:15 | MrApathyCream | Just define it as a member of the class. If memory is a concern, and you don't need it all the time, create it dynamically |
| 23:49:20 | mbarron | how can i make it so that it will be accessable to multiple classes |
| 23:49:31 | BZFlag | make it public. ;-) |
| 23:49:47 | MrApathyCream | either define it as public <probably bad>, provide an accessor method (getArray), or grant friendship to it |
| 23:50:18 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: perhaps. I setup puttygen, putty, pageant and plink with wincvs the other day. |
| 23:50:39 | MrApathyCream | Found something called fissh... trying that next |
| 23:50:48 | mbarron | friendship is: in public.... friend char myarry[10][10]? |
| 23:50:54 | BZFlag | hates accessor methods, but bzflag has them all over the place. |
| 23:51:31 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 23:51:35 | MrApathyCream | class Foo |
| 23:51:35 | MrApathyCream | { |
| 23:51:38 | MrApathyCream | private: |
| 23:51:44 | MrApathyCream | int mydata[100]; |
| 23:51:49 | MrApathyCream | friend class Bar; |
| 23:51:52 | MrApathyCream | }; |
| 23:51:59 | MrApathyCream | -- class Bar can access mydata |
| 23:52:37 | mbarron | great! thanks so much |
| 23:52:57 | mbarron | i will probably have more questions... thankyou |
| 23:52:57 | MrApathyCream | np |
| 23:57:18 | mbarron | what if i dont want some of the variables to be used, because i have the same names in other classes (like high, wide, ect..) |
