| 01:28:32 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV |
| 02:07:01 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:38:28) |
| 03:15:07 | vogon_jeltz | is away: RandomQ3a |
| 04:22:46 | captain_proton | wb tim |
| 04:24:00 | BZFlag | thx |
| 04:32:39 | captain_proton | btw, congrats on the baby |
| 04:33:10 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Tim |
| 04:37:13 | BZFlag | captain_proton: thx. |
| 06:30:27 | iLLf8d | evening all |
| 06:30:33 | iLLf8d | listservers down? |
| 06:30:37 | captain_proton | hey iLLf8d |
| 06:30:48 | iLLf8d | how goes it cap |
| 06:30:51 | iLLf8d | have a good holidays? |
| 06:31:16 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:31:19 | captain_proton | you? |
| 06:31:23 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 06:31:24 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 06:31:44 | iLLf8d | discovered python over the holidays |
| 06:31:53 | iLLf8d | i'm still learning but it seems quite easy |
| 06:32:18 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:32:26 | captain_proton | i've never taken the time to learn it |
| 06:32:47 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: another uptime failure :/ |
| 06:37:23 | vogon_jeltz | god... my ISP is going nutso |
| 06:37:23 | vogon_jeltz | my lag is 95 seconds |
| 06:38:05 | captain_proton | ewwww |
| 06:41:17 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: have you looked at the screenshot posted to bzflag-dev? |
| 06:44:26 | captain_proton | byebye timmy |
| 06:58:52 | captain_proton | wb vogon_jeltz |
| 07:00:38 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 07:01:20 | captain_proton | someone put a text-based kazaa client on babylonia :) |
| 07:02:32 | vogon_jeltz | my internet connection seems to be choking about 5 hops upstream :/ |
| 07:02:45 | captain_proton | that sucks |
| 07:06:31 | captain_proton | i found something bad - my HUD hack still draws radar when paused :/ |
| 07:06:44 | captain_proton | oh well - time to see if i can find gerbil |
| 07:15:41 | captain_proton | admonishes this kazaa client: CONNECT, DAMNIT! |
| 08:13:49 | captain_proton | wb twice :) |
| 08:16:15 | captain_proton | damn |
| 08:23:15 | captain_proton | wonders why his toolbar is using text instead of icons |
| 08:24:18 | captain_proton | w00! |
| 08:32:46 | captain_proton | hey JeffM2501 |
| 08:32:52 | JeffM2501 | hey |
| 08:33:09 | captain_proton | just got the binary, haven't tried it yet |
| 08:33:21 | JeffM2501 | I just hope it works |
| 08:34:27 | captain_proton | care sending me your code? i'd like to see what changes you made to the underlying interfaces |
| 08:35:01 | JeffM2501 | yeah I just need to package it up |
| 08:35:30 | JeffM2501 | the only thing left from it is the world element and object classes |
| 08:35:42 | JeffM2501 | and I cleaned those up a lot too |
| 08:36:06 | captain_proton | thanks for giving me a reason to start working on this again :) |
| 08:36:06 | JeffM2501 | coudn't use any of the Gnome stuff under windows |
| 08:36:52 | captain_proton | yeah, true |
| 08:37:14 | JeffM2501 | nor the TGK_GLArea stuff too |
| 08:37:21 | JeffM2501 | I just used my own stuff |
| 08:38:13 | captain_proton | well, what I'd really like to do is have completely separate files for all platform specific stuff, then just include the ones relevant to the platform |
| 08:38:36 | JeffM2501 | well then what I did will help |
| 08:38:52 | JeffM2501 | I took all the interface stuff outa the world class |
| 08:38:59 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 08:39:01 | JeffM2501 | it's now platform independent |
| 08:39:24 | JeffM2501 | and made it all based of a single base object class |
| 08:39:55 | captain_proton | yeah i meant to do that but never really got around to it |
| 08:40:13 | captain_proton | still using the STL? |
| 08:40:17 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 08:40:24 | captain_proton | ok, good |
| 08:40:42 | JeffM2501 | but I had to change how some of it was used. Not every implimentation of STL works the same |
| 08:40:57 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:41:05 | JeffM2501 | it sucks :( |
| 08:41:09 | captain_proton | i hope your code is still compatible with the SGI implementation |
| 08:41:16 | JeffM2501 | should be |
| 08:41:29 | JeffM2501 | I just made stuff more verbose that's all |
| 08:41:39 | JeffM2501 | and forced caseted things |
| 08:41:42 | JeffM2501 | should be just fine |
| 08:42:20 | captain_proton | ok |
| 08:42:50 | captain_proton | so you're going to make it use the normal win32 apis now instead of mfc? |
| 08:43:07 | JeffM2501 | well that's what will need to be done to make it easy to port |
| 08:43:35 | JeffM2501 | the MFC doc/view acretecutre is not realy conducive to non COM systems |
| 08:44:06 | captain_proton | yeah :( |
| 08:44:13 | JeffM2501 | Tomorow I'm gonna make sure that the base stuff still compliles on my liunux machine |
| 08:44:33 | JeffM2501 | but MFC is great for prototyping stuff |
| 08:44:34 | captain_proton | does your port do bases? because thats one thing i'm working on right now |
| 08:44:48 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 08:45:11 | JeffM2501 | reads em, writes em, and exits em |
| 08:45:18 | captain_proton | renders them? |
| 08:45:22 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 08:46:10 | JeffM2501 | even changed all the polygon windings to be consistent so that backface culling could be used |
| 08:46:25 | captain_proton | lol...bzflag doesn't even do occlusion culling |
| 08:46:30 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 08:47:00 | JeffM2501 | whenI worked on it looooong ago I was gonna add stuff like that but never had a chance |
| 08:47:05 | captain_proton | for bases, does it handle elevated bases correctly? |
| 08:47:17 | captain_proton | (if they're elevated, they have a thickness of 1 with the sides of a box) |
| 08:47:22 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't make thme thick |
| 08:47:24 | JeffM2501 | so no |
| 08:47:39 | JeffM2501 | but I can add that no problme |
| 08:48:00 | JeffM2501 | actualy I want to re do all the drawing stuff with lighting and display lists |
| 08:48:09 | captain_proton | good idea |
| 08:48:21 | captain_proton | and culling too :) |
| 08:48:41 | JeffM2501 | and texture cohesion so it runs at a decent speed |
| 08:48:49 | captain_proton | texture cohesion? |
| 08:49:11 | JeffM2501 | drawing evertying with the same texture at a time |
| 08:49:21 | captain_proton | ohhh good point |
| 08:49:22 | JeffM2501 | minimising texture loads |
| 08:49:43 | JeffM2501 | that's a bigger slow down then culling |
| 08:49:55 | JeffM2501 | on modern hardware at least |
| 08:49:57 | captain_proton | one thing i'd love to do is sort the objects in order away from the camera viewpoint |
| 08:50:08 | captain_proton | to improve the semi-transparent look |
| 08:50:40 | JeffM2501 | ohh that's easy |
| 08:51:06 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do the transparent thing, cus I wasn't sure how it was suposed to look |
| 08:51:18 | JeffM2501 | the code is all in there, just not hooked to anything |
| 08:51:27 | JeffM2501 | if somethings selected I make it red |
| 08:51:49 | captain_proton | well, let me see if i can make you a screenshot |
| 08:52:45 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 08:53:01 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't realy run yours here, it's too slow on my machine |
| 08:54:25 | captain_proton | also i really need to redo the algorithm for determining if there are name conflicts - large worlds take *FOREVER* to load :P |
| 08:54:43 | JeffM2501 | I changed that, it's a lot faster now |
| 08:54:59 | captain_proton | can you please just zip up your source dir and send it over? |
| 08:55:03 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:55:32 | JeffM2501 | it's more then that, It was built wiht dlls I have to package up the libs for |
| 08:55:50 | JeffM2501 | I didn't realy make the name thing "better" just difrent |
| 08:56:01 | JeffM2501 | I'll have it ready tomrow |
| 08:56:16 | captain_proton | i not particularly interested in compiling it, just looking at the changes you made |
| 08:56:27 | captain_proton | ok, screenshot is uploaded |
| 08:56:37 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.bolognia.net/transscreen.png |
| 08:57:52 | captain_proton | hrm let me see if i can answer any of the questions in your email |
| 08:58:12 | captain_proton | about the links, what don't you understand? |
| 08:58:31 | JeffM2501 | i send a zip to your e-mail |
| 08:58:45 | captain_proton | wait - can you DCC? |
| 08:58:47 | JeffM2501 | I need to redo the name thing. now that I know what it's for |
| 08:58:53 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 08:58:58 | captain_proton | what IRC client do you have? |
| 08:59:16 | JeffM2501 | the one that comes wiht redhat |
| 08:59:19 | captain_proton | xchat? |
| 08:59:26 | captain_proton | (check the titlebar) |
| 08:59:28 | JeffM2501 | ksirc |
| 08:59:34 | captain_proton | oh ick |
| 08:59:37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:59:40 | JeffM2501 | well it works |
| 08:59:44 | captain_proton | i guess |
| 08:59:53 | captain_proton | how about this: upload to an ftp directory? |
| 09:00:22 | captain_proton | put it in there |
| 09:00:36 | JeffM2501 | i put it in the same place as the editor |
| 09:00:44 | JeffM2501 | just called code.zip |
| 09:00:53 | captain_proton | i guess that works too |
| 09:01:16 | JeffM2501 | I don't have the code on this machine :) |
| 09:01:22 | captain_proton | oh ok |
| 09:01:52 | JeffM2501 | havent done much on the linux machine yet |
| 09:02:48 | JeffM2501 | ok so you just fade out everything that isn't selected |
| 09:02:55 | captain_proton | yeah, pretty much |
| 09:03:05 | JeffM2501 | as for the name stuff I'll just make it into a stl map tomorow |
| 09:03:14 | JeffM2501 | I still have to make mine read the names |
| 09:03:23 | captain_proton | ok |
| 09:03:57 | captain_proton | i'm probably going to integrate some of your changes to the base into the code base - any way I should notify you of the updated CVS? |
| 09:04:10 | JeffM2501 | sure why not |
| 09:04:34 | JeffM2501 | I can't get the CVS to work on the windows machine |
| 09:04:51 | captain_proton | should I just email you about the updates? |
| 09:05:05 | captain_proton | brb, need to refill the water glass |
| 09:05:07 | JeffM2501 | I can get the code here on this machine |
| 09:07:02 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll take a wack at porting some stuff to linux |
| 09:07:15 | JeffM2501 | like my texture manager :) |
| 09:07:48 | JeffM2501 | I just need to get a decent openGL implimentation here |
| 09:07:57 | captain_proton | back |
| 09:08:17 | captain_proton | you don't have opengl in linux? |
| 09:08:36 | JeffM2501 | I do, but it's got crap drivers |
| 09:08:45 | JeffM2501 | so it's not exactly speedy |
| 09:08:51 | captain_proton | what video card? |
| 09:08:53 | JeffM2501 | I'm used to my GeForce3's on my PC |
| 09:09:02 | captain_proton | yeah me too :) |
| 09:09:07 | JeffM2501 | this things got a ATI rage pro |
| 09:09:14 | captain_proton | oh yuck yuck |
| 09:09:26 | captain_proton | no hardware rendering support on that card yet :P |
| 09:09:46 | JeffM2501 | well I tired a GeForece 2 and that was dog slow too |
| 09:09:55 | captain_proton | you need to install the drivers for it |
| 09:10:01 | JeffM2501 | that's what I thought |
| 09:10:07 | captain_proton | nvidia has great drivers for linux on their web site |
| 09:10:12 | JeffM2501 | but that machine has a pooched KDE install |
| 09:11:22 | captain_proton | whats this I see? hungarian notation? ;) |
| 09:11:32 | JeffM2501 | force of habit |
| 09:11:45 | JeffM2501 | when you code all day long for a living it gets burned into ya |
| 09:12:01 | JeffM2501 | we just use a bastardisation of it |
| 09:12:29 | captain_proton | thats why I use C++: strongly typed |
| 09:12:36 | captain_proton | but that has to go |
| 09:12:44 | captain_proton | :) |
| 09:13:05 | JeffM2501 | I do find it's usefull to know what something is when you look at it |
| 09:13:19 | captain_proton | yeah i guess |
| 09:15:16 | JeffM2501 | but I did try to folow what was there for some of it |
| 09:15:31 | captain_proton | oh hey i just rememberd |
| 09:15:37 | captain_proton | did you do any cut/copy/paste stuff? |
| 09:15:46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 09:15:52 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 09:16:06 | JeffM2501 | but there is a "duplicate" feature |
| 09:16:16 | captain_proton | ok |
| 09:16:19 | JeffM2501 | it's only a SDI app |
| 09:16:23 | captain_proton | here's what I was thinking for that: |
| 09:16:49 | captain_proton | every concievable object in the editor has to be written to the config file, so there are both writers and readers for this format |
| 09:17:06 | captain_proton | when you cut/copy/paste something, it uses the disk format and a text clipboard |
| 09:17:28 | JeffM2501 | linux dosn't have clipboard serveces? |
| 09:18:48 | captain_proton | yeah it does, sortof |
| 09:19:02 | captain_proton | pain in the ass, though |
| 09:19:06 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 09:19:18 | JeffM2501 | well you could write it a file then |
| 09:19:27 | captain_proton | well, i can use the clipboard |
| 09:19:38 | captain_proton | thing is, linux clipboard stuff only really does text |
| 09:19:39 | JeffM2501 | under windows i'd just shove a chunk of data and a type into the clip |
| 09:19:44 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 09:20:02 | JeffM2501 | well then abstract it, then do it as a file on lin, and clip on win |
| 09:20:16 | captain_proton | yeah...mmap something perhaps |
| 09:20:29 | JeffM2501 | if it's handled through an API it won't mater |
| 09:20:39 | JeffM2501 | you can still have common code |
| 09:21:50 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:22:19 | JeffM2501 | are there things like DLLs on lin? |
| 09:22:25 | captain_proton | its been a while since i used visual C++ - does it require a 'void' if a function takes no arguments |
| 09:22:34 | vogon_jeltz | JeffM2501: yeah, shared objects |
| 09:22:35 | captain_proton | yup: shared objects |
| 09:22:38 | JeffM2501 | no, not required |
| 09:22:49 | JeffM2501 | just habit again |
| 09:23:11 | captain_proton | ahh ok |
| 09:23:29 | JeffM2501 | you never know what a compiler on a difrent system will puke on |
| 09:23:29 | captain_proton | hey vogon_jeltz - nice to see you're still alive |
| 09:23:37 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:23:51 | vogon_jeltz | is ultra-lagged, tho |
| 09:23:54 | captain_proton | well, i'm thinking we should just have it like bzflag - win32 needs visual C++, linux uses gcc |
| 09:24:02 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: answer this immediately |
| 09:24:29 | JeffM2501 | well it never hurts to just put em in |
| 09:25:27 | captain_proton | true, true |
| 09:25:42 | captain_proton | does the win implementation of the STL recognize the std:: namespace? |
| 09:25:49 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 09:26:00 | JeffM2501 | but it wasn't in the parts of the code I used |
| 09:26:11 | JeffM2501 | so I just poped the std in there |
| 09:26:14 | JeffM2501 | for a quick fix |
| 09:26:16 | captain_proton | yeah, i was just thinking we should add it everywhere |
| 09:26:26 | captain_proton | because gcc 3.x requires it |
| 09:26:42 | JeffM2501 | it's required by defalut |
| 09:26:56 | vogon_jeltz | argh... Internet connection died |
| 09:27:35 | JeffM2501 | never happens here, dual DSLs :) |
| 09:27:45 | captain_proton | damn you |
| 09:27:54 | captain_proton | oh well...in 11 days i go back on campus |
| 09:28:01 | captain_proton | then i'll be back on dual T3s :) |
| 09:28:03 | JeffM2501 | and a t- at work |
| 09:28:03 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:29:04 | JeffM2501 | what school? |
| 09:29:11 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: because of JeffM2501 here bzedit will have a better engine than bzflag |
| 09:29:11 | captain_proton | CU |
| 09:29:20 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:30:54 | JeffM2501 | chan shared objects be loaded at runtime based on a file name? |
| 09:31:06 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 09:31:11 | JeffM2501 | like a LoadLibray call? |
| 09:31:19 | vogon_jeltz | mmhmm |
| 09:31:23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 09:31:32 | vogon_jeltz | dlopen() is what we UNIX peeps call it :) |
| 09:32:00 | captain_proton | then you get symbol addresses by passing a string |
| 09:32:13 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 09:32:29 | JeffM2501 | same thing for load lib, you get a handle that you pass to a proc locator |
| 09:33:11 | captain_proton | so for the API you created into a library, are you setting a bunch of function pointers? |
| 09:33:48 | JeffM2501 | if oyu call load lib you can get pts for em all |
| 09:33:54 | JeffM2501 | or if it's a class you can just get that |
| 09:34:12 | JeffM2501 | of if you prelink in an export lib you can just use whatever was exported |
| 09:34:33 | JeffM2501 | usualy you just export 1 func that gets you into the DLL |
| 09:34:47 | JeffM2501 | and it passes back a class or what ever you need |
| 09:34:58 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 09:35:04 | captain_proton | i'll have to read up on C++ and shared objects |
| 09:35:53 | JeffM2501 | it's no bigie just curious |
| 09:36:21 | captain_proton | yeah me too now |
| 09:36:25 | JeffM2501 | I just use DLLs cus it makes encapulating a class a lot easyer |
| 09:36:46 | JeffM2501 | I usualy just link in the export lib |
| 09:37:06 | captain_proton | just loves stripping ^M's out of files... |
| 09:37:07 | JeffM2501 | makes it nice when you can fix a bug in one part of the code, and not have to rebuild the entire thing |
| 09:37:15 | captain_proton | yeah ok |
| 09:37:23 | JeffM2501 | strinping what? |
| 09:37:32 | captain_proton | linefeeds |
| 09:37:49 | JeffM2501 | ahh yes |
| 09:38:10 | JeffM2501 | I have to pull the CRs when I go to the mac |
| 09:38:14 | captain_proton | luckily, once we've got a common code base, CVS will do it for us |
| 09:38:28 | JeffM2501 | ir there are utilitys |
| 09:38:54 | JeffM2501 | your editor dosn't do that for you? |
| 09:39:00 | JeffM2501 | Visual studio will |
| 09:39:15 | JeffM2501 | it'll even keep it as it was when you edit it |
| 09:39:52 | captain_proton | i could probably get it to do it for me but i don't want to figure out the correct regexp |
| 09:40:19 | JeffM2501 | oh, it's all automatic for me |
| 09:41:12 | captain_proton | yeah...in general, unix stuff won't do anything unless you tell it to |
| 09:41:19 | captain_proton | ok, done |
| 09:41:29 | captain_proton | what file here is your texture manager in? |
| 09:41:46 | JeffM2501 | you don't have it there |
| 09:41:52 | JeffM2501 | that's what one of the libs is |
| 09:42:24 | captain_proton | can you send me that too (email worked ok)? i think thats the first thing i'd like to port back to linux |
| 09:42:37 | JeffM2501 | that I can't |
| 09:42:44 | captain_proton | no? |
| 09:42:46 | JeffM2501 | not without pulling code |
| 09:43:00 | captain_proton | oh hmmm |
| 09:43:00 | JeffM2501 | it supports a format I can't put code out for, just libs |
| 09:43:23 | JeffM2501 | not wihtout asking somone first |
| 09:43:42 | JeffM2501 | it supports more then just TGA |
| 09:44:01 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 09:44:19 | JeffM2501 | but it's basicly the same as yours, just wraped up in a lib |
| 09:44:22 | captain_proton | i've been thinking of changing that to png, though i'd have to write a loader |
| 09:44:37 | captain_proton | because i'd like to have all the data files as png... |
| 09:44:55 | JeffM2501 | well for me it dosnt mater |
| 09:45:05 | JeffM2501 | the icons are in the resouce file |
| 09:45:10 | captain_proton | ahh yes |
| 09:45:14 | JeffM2501 | and thats how they have to stay |
| 09:45:25 | JeffM2501 | lest it not work |
| 09:45:37 | captain_proton | yeah, true |
| 09:45:40 | captain_proton | win api's suck |
| 09:45:51 | JeffM2501 | no not realy, they are just difrent |
| 09:46:13 | captain_proton | care to explain what all the toolbar icons are? from 'Z+' to the target? |
| 09:46:24 | JeffM2501 | difrent views |
| 09:46:31 | JeffM2501 | Z+ is a top fview |
| 09:46:55 | JeffM2501 | didn't have room for the word "top" in a sise that was readable |
| 09:47:04 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 09:47:08 | JeffM2501 | and hey I made all this in a day |
| 09:47:13 | captain_proton | what are '-ISO' and the target? |
| 09:47:17 | captain_proton | yeah: good work! |
| 09:47:21 | JeffM2501 | Isometric |
| 09:47:40 | JeffM2501 | the target centers the view around 0,0,0 |
| 09:47:59 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 09:48:11 | JeffM2501 | just in case you get lost while zoomed in |
| 09:48:15 | captain_proton | one thing i've been meaning to fix: when nothing is selected, it should be targetted to 0,0,0 |
| 09:48:31 | captain_proton | and it refocuses the view on an object only when it is selected |
| 09:48:51 | JeffM2501 | I don't movie the view to an object unless you hit a menu |
| 09:49:03 | JeffM2501 | or use the right mouse to move the view |
| 09:49:44 | captain_proton | hmmm thats a good idea |
| 09:50:01 | captain_proton | so if someone picks an object with the right mouse, it moves the view? |
| 09:50:05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 09:50:16 | JeffM2501 | pick the object and there's a menu |
| 09:50:25 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll hook it up to middle mouse |
| 09:50:41 | JeffM2501 | right mouse is just free look |
| 09:50:48 | JeffM2501 | rotate, pan, and zoom |
| 09:50:56 | JeffM2501 | wheel zooms too |
| 09:51:34 | JeffM2501 | I should do something like user defined views too |
| 09:51:42 | JeffM2501 | and save em in comments in the fine |
| 09:51:45 | JeffM2501 | sorry file |
| 09:52:15 | captain_proton | i'd like to have some config options |
| 09:52:38 | JeffM2501 | yeah , I need to add prefs |
| 09:52:58 | captain_proton | at some point we should work out common menus |
| 09:53:22 | JeffM2501 | well someone needs to make a spec for what they want it to do |
| 09:53:32 | captain_proton | another thing I'd like to add: dbrosius has a patch that implements some 'complex' world items |
| 09:53:56 | captain_proton | i'd like to add support for them, but only if a 'development' config option is turned on |
| 09:54:20 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw that, shoudln't be to hard to do |
| 09:54:30 | JeffM2501 | just a meta-boject |
| 09:54:36 | captain_proton | especially since he's already done the work for us |
| 09:54:44 | captain_proton | the group one might be a little more difficult |
| 09:54:58 | JeffM2501 | just a list of lists |
| 09:55:11 | captain_proton | smacks himself |
| 09:55:21 | JeffM2501 | I just need to see how he does it in the file |
| 09:55:35 | JeffM2501 | the file realy needs more info in it |
| 09:55:38 | JeffM2501 | item names |
| 09:55:40 | JeffM2501 | versions |
| 09:55:40 | captain_proton | just remembered you've made a parent class |
| 09:56:00 | JeffM2501 | everything's an object |
| 09:56:09 | captain_proton | versions? |
| 09:56:10 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:56:24 | JeffM2501 | makes it a lot easyer |
| 09:56:43 | captain_proton | care to explain what you mean by versions? |
| 09:56:56 | JeffM2501 | well as people add stuff to the format |
| 09:57:19 | JeffM2501 | like changing angles to to degress or adding group features |
| 09:57:43 | JeffM2501 | it would be smart to have a version in there so you you what this file is suposed to have |
| 09:58:06 | JeffM2501 | then you can say this version of BZ flag uses this version of maps or earlyer |
| 09:58:29 | JeffM2501 | makes updating easyer too |
| 09:58:48 | JeffM2501 | I don't have an easy way to tell if the angles in a file are deg or rad |
| 09:59:56 | JeffM2501 | well I gotta get some sleep |
| 10:00:11 | captain_proton | ok |
| 10:00:19 | JeffM2501 | gotta go to work tomorow |
| 10:00:25 | JeffM2501 | and make sure my procut ships |
| 10:00:38 | captain_proton | sounds good |
| 10:00:41 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
| 10:15:58 | vogon_jeltz | lol... I just got to see Linux memory management in action |
| 10:16:24 | vogon_jeltz | Mozilla did something that caused it to suck up a boatload of core, and I got to see it hit the edge and get killed :) |
| 10:18:01 | captain_proton | heh |
| 10:18:38 | vogon_jeltz | it's something to behold |
| 10:18:55 | captain_proton | i've seen it |
| 10:19:10 | vogon_jeltz | I have GKrellM running, so I saw my RAM and swap usage percentages creep up towards 100%, then suddenly drop into the high teens :) |
| 10:19:31 | captain_proton | lol |
| 10:21:11 | captain_proton | damn...that guy writes some good code |
| 10:24:56 | vogon_jeltz | you sound mad about that ;) |
| 10:25:27 | captain_proton | no not mad |
| 10:25:30 | captain_proton | just impressed |
| 10:25:47 | captain_proton | he ported (almost) the entire thing in one day, AND he writes clean code |
| 10:27:24 | vogon_jeltz | jej |
| 10:27:28 | vogon_jeltz | heh, even |
| 15:30:12 | vogon_jeltz | is away: epsoning the whole astroda... this may take some... zZzZzZz |
| 19:13:41 | Zig | help |
| 19:13:41 | Zig | help |
| 19:13:53 | Zig | someone help me |
| 19:13:57 | Zig | i need help |
| 19:14:10 | Zig | HELP |
| 19:14:11 | Zig | fuck |
| 19:15:09 | Zig | HELLO? |
| 19:15:46 | Zig | HELLO? |
| 19:15:49 | Zig | goddamn it speak |
| 19:17:03 | Zig | SPEAK |
| 19:24:31 | Zig | hey |
| 19:24:34 | Zig | tim riker |
| 19:24:56 | Zig | My mouse is locked in one place and someone on Bzflag did it to me |
| 19:25:10 | Zig | do you know how to fix it? |
| 19:29:38 | Zig | please |
| 19:43:26 | BZFlag | os? |
| 19:43:33 | BZFlag | it happened in a game? |
| 19:45:03 | Chestal | Zig: huh? I assuem you have restarted the game? Mouse locked only within bzflag or in Windows in general? |
| 19:46:04 | Zig | all windows |
| 19:48:12 | Chestal | have you rebooted? |
| 19:49:47 | Zig | yes |
| 19:56:22 | BZFlag | that is too wierd. I doubt bzflag had anything to do with it. |
| 22:57:18 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 07:27:02) |
| 22:59:47 | captain_proton | wb |
| 23:02:59 | vogon_jeltz | thx :) |
