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irclog2html for bzflag on 2001.11.24 00:48:14 BZFlag I think I fixed the GM bug with patchid 01:44:02 BZFlag fixing the tcp len overrun now... 02:00:56 Zig yo 02:01:08 Zig chestal 02:01:35 Zig HELLO?} 02:02:12 Zig Zzzzzz 02:02:16 Zig HeLLlOoo 02:02:18 Zig Weeeeeeeee 02:02:20 Zig WWWEEEEEEE 02:03:28 Zig speak 02:03:43 Zig And no i don't want to help out 02:03:46 Zig just speak 02:04:20 Zig SPEAJ 02:04:21 Zig !ASF 02:04:26 Zig !seen chetal 02:04:30 Zig !seen chestal 02:04:31 Zig SPEAK 02:04:34 Zig turn your bot on 02:05:59 |ks| ibot seen chestal 02:06:08 chestal was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: another one is humiliated by my bot :-) [Thu Nov 22 22:42:05 2001] 02:06:08 |ks| ibot1 seen chestal 02:06:21 Zig SPEAK 02:06:25 Zig |KS| 02:06:28 Zig make paul go on 02:06:29 Zig the bot 02:06:54 |ks| that's about all I know how to do with the bot... 02:07:01 |ks| ibot1 help 03:07:19 captain_pistachio wow bzflag takes forever to check out over 56k 03:29:14 captain_pistachio hates the size of the 'data' directory 03:40:40 HEMI captain_pistachio, I got bzflag to "build" from FreeBSD's ports collection on a machine without X. I just forced it, and it only built bzfs, bzfls and bzfrelay, which is all I wanted. :) 03:41:14 captain_pistachio HEMI: um...ok 03:41:30 HEMI Just kinda strange, I thought. 03:41:45 captain_pistachio seems ok to me 03:42:02 HEMI also downloaded "decks" from sourceforge...Neat map. 03:42:27 captain_pistachio a very popular map... 03:43:01 captain_pistachio wonders where his server went 03:44:50 captain_pistachio god the bzflag source tree is huge 03:46:01 HEMI Who started the project? 03:46:15 captain_pistachio Chris Shoeneman (sp?) 03:47:04 captain_pistachio most of it is the data files 03:47:23 captain_pistachio BZFlag: you there? 03:51:38 BZFlag now. 03:51:56 captain_pistachio hi 03:52:04 captain_pistachio what is bzflag.bmp there for? 03:52:20 BZFlag icons 03:53:23 BZFlag hmm. nope. 03:53:29 captain_pistachio aren't icons handled by bzflag.ico? 03:53:31 BZFlag don't know. 03:53:49 captain_pistachio lol 03:53:52 BZFlag yep, I always thought that was the win32 icon file, but it's not. 03:54:00 BZFlag not even a bzflag tank. 03:54:03 captain_pistachio does a grep -re 03:54:08 captain_pistachio hmmm... 03:54:12 captain_pistachio nothing references it 03:55:27 captain_pistachio not the greatest logo... 03:55:45 HEMI I played bzflag on my folks' tnt2 the other night...Damn it runs so much nicer than my voodoo3. Can even turn textures on. 03:56:01 captain_pistachio lol...have you ever seen a gf3? 03:56:12 HEMI Not while playing bzflag. 03:56:36 captain_pistachio smiles 04:00:25 captain_pistachio hmmm...why is my real computer logged in as captain_proton_? 04:01:19 BZFlag netsplit/rejoin could cause that. 04:01:40 BZFlag ghost it and it might get renamed. 04:03:03 captain_pistachio knows not what 'ghost it' means 04:03:47 HEMI nickserv can kill off dead connections that are still "live," if that made any sense. 04:04:34 captain_pistachio i'll just reconnect it once I return to that computer 04:07:58 captain_pistachio BZFlag: do you care if non-team flags land on bases? 04:08:29 captain_pistachio it seems to happen when the bases are on the ground... 04:19:47 captain_pistachio whoops - when you drop your teams flag over your team base, it flies to the center :P 04:23:08 captain_pistachio BZFlag: available for a question? 04:23:52 captain_pistachio what exactly is safetyBasePos? 04:39:22 BZFlag captain_pistachio: yes. non-team flags should be able to land on bases. 04:39:58 BZFlag safety position is at present always the center of the board. 04:40:31 BZFlag in theory, when a team flag is dropped over a pyramid (for example) it could fly to anywhere. 04:41:00 BZFlag I think I'm going to release 1.7e4 with this much. 04:41:23 BZFlag I think all the playerid patching bugs are ironed out. 04:41:34 BZFlag and I'd like to start on one port tcp again. 04:44:21 captain_pistachio BZFlag: I'm very close - please wait just a little while longer 04:45:18 BZFlag heh. I know. I'm just considering changing the world format by adding height to the bases if they are above 0f 04:45:45 captain_pistachio I realize you're anxious to start working on 2.0 :) 04:45:47 BZFlag so I figure that could be a next release thing to play with. 04:46:05 BZFlag I want to make sure that adding things to the world will not break the old clients. 04:46:41 captain_pistachio adding things to the world *will* break old clients because of the messed-up protocol bzflag currently uses 04:46:42 BZFlag ponders. 04:46:57 BZFlag I suppose with flags on buildings etc, we could call this 1.8 04:47:26 captain_pistachio well...i'm thinking that calling this 1.8 will get people angry because there's nothing really protocol-breaking in it 04:47:37 BZFlag I'm not sure that's the case. if there are tags in the world that the old client does not understand does the client abort? 04:47:40 captain_pistachio and the flag-writers have been told their creations will get into 1.8 04:47:51 captain_pistachio BZFlag: I have no idea 04:47:53 BZFlag not by me they haven't 04:48:10 captain_pistachio well...thats the idea that has been conveyed 04:48:15 BZFlag by? 04:48:36 BZFlag well, I guess it does not matter who... 04:48:59 BZFlag something needs to change to handle new flags. perhaps I should look into that. 04:49:10 BZFlag burrow looks pretty cool from what I hear. ;-) 04:49:19 captain_pistachio whispers "XML" 04:49:43 BZFlag whispers "patches encouraged" 04:50:02 captain_pistachio heh 04:50:08 BZFlag grins 04:50:14 captain_pistachio is still lamenting the HUD patch 04:50:33 captain_pistachio i'll get on the XML thing as soon as 1.7e4(1.8?) is released 04:51:35 captain_pistachio if you're going to mess with base height, you should allow it for any elevation - that way you could have your precious base on the ground with height=1 04:51:52 captain_pistachio standard base would have height=0 04:52:51 BZFlag yes. I was considering adding a new tag to the world net format that was just base height. 04:53:03 BZFlag it could happen on 0 alt bases too. 04:53:58 BZFlag oh crap. 04:54:19 BZFlag I keep forgetting that world net tags have no length with them 04:54:24 captain_pistachio lol 04:54:26 BZFlag broken, broken, broken. 04:54:39 captain_pistachio hey - where did my msgCaptureFlag stuff go? 04:54:47 BZFlag huh? 04:56:07 captain_pistachio the capture logic for rotated/elevated bases disappeared 04:56:17 BZFlag from where? 04:56:30 captain_pistachio my patch 04:56:37 BZFlag hmmm... don't know. 05:00:57 captain_pistachio sobs again 05:05:16 captain_pistachio frantically searches through 12 different bzflag trees 05:07:38 captain_pistachio screams 05:09:07 BZFlag ugh... GM HUD would be nice, but it's broken. 05:09:17 captain_pistachio GM HUD? you mean the lock warning? 05:10:40 BZFlag yeah. 05:10:58 BZFlag GM it to powerful, warning (with audio) would help a lot. 05:11:06 BZFlag er s/to/too/ 05:11:14 captain_pistachio :) 05:11:18 captain_pistachio yes it would 05:11:28 captain_pistachio is getting very tired of losing code 05:11:44 BZFlag heh, you know what I'd tell ya... ;-) 05:12:41 captain_pistachio I remember submitting the capture stuff to sf!!!!!!!!! 05:13:19 BZFlag it's not in either 2 or 3 versions of the patch? 05:13:27 captain_pistachio i thought it was in 3 05:14:04 captain_pistachio but the difference in 3 seems to be baseScan?!?!?!? 05:14:59 BZFlag don't know. 05:17:17 captain_pistachio finds a file called bzflag.tar.gz and prays 05:17:37 captain_pistachio :( 05:20:41 captain_pistachio great... 05:21:26 captain_pistachio ok - time to redo this 05:22:08 captain_pistachio one question: in dropFlag, is pos[3] the position of the tank when it drops the flag? 05:24:03 captain_pistachio and how exactly does topmost work? 05:24:14 BZFlag pos[3]? not pos[2]? 05:24:34 BZFlag oh, the array pos[3]... 05:24:49 captain_pistachio :) 05:25:02 BZFlag topmost is lamer that it could be... just loops from drop point to the ground looking for inBuiling. 05:25:53 BZFlag first one that hits, wins. if it's a box (or a base) and flag-on-box is set, then the flags should stay there. if it's a pyr or tele then it moves to safetypos 05:27:43 captain_pistachio hmmm... 05:28:09 captain_pistachio senses a complication 05:34:09 BZFlag why? 05:34:38 BZFlag I'd just add a bases array on the server that's the same size the client sees them as if bases are above ground. 05:34:48 BZFlag then modify inBuilding to check them as well. 05:34:53 vogon_jeltz rehi, all 05:35:13 BZFlag do that matter, you could just add 4 new buildings, but make sure you do not export them to the clients. 05:35:16 captain_pistachio if the bases are stacked, whoseBase could return the wrong one even if topmost is the team base 05:35:53 vogon_jeltz nice topic, cappy 05:36:10 BZFlag yes, whoseBase probably needs to do a topmost search for the first building and then check to see if it's a base, then return whose base. 05:37:27 captain_pistachio or I could just do a topmost search within the bases and return the one closest to the z position 05:37:36 captain_pistachio thanks vogon_jeltz 05:37:40 vogon_jeltz ;) 05:37:54 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: any clue where my capture logic code went? 05:38:05 vogon_jeltz no 05:38:46 vogon_jeltz is it rotatebases3.patch 05:38:47 vogon_jeltz ? 05:39:17 captain_pistachio it should be but for some reason isn't 05:40:19 BZFlag but whosebase should not return a base if it's below a building should it? 05:40:52 captain_pistachio that doesn't matter - if a building is topmost then it won't think about the base in dropFlag 05:41:14 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: but you don't drop the flag when you hit a base... :P 05:41:34 vogon_jeltz at least, not AFAIK 05:42:01 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: captain_proton_ is AFK :) 05:42:09 BZFlag the test is in case you drop a a team flag over a base. it should NOT land on a base that it not it's own, it should fly to safetypos 05:42:17 captain_pistachio this is what happens if any flag is dropped over a base 05:42:30 captain_pistachio can people help me test something? 05:42:36 BZFlag sure. 05:42:41 vogon_jeltz ahh, Ok 05:42:58 captain_pistachio let me make you fellas a patch 05:43:40 vogon_jeltz round-files the automated e-mail he got from SF 05:44:20 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: think you could get GM alert working by the time i figure out all this flag stuff? 05:44:28 vogon_jeltz I'll try :) 05:44:55 captain_pistachio wonders who ogre7299 is 05:45:24 captain_pistachio oh vogon_jeltz: you missed another frantic search for missing code 05:45:32 vogon_jeltz hehe 05:45:46 vogon_jeltz bets that he has the newest kernel here 05:45:52 vogon_jeltz Linux fortytwo.homeip.net 2.5.0 #1 Fri Nov 23 01:54:31 PST 2001 i686 unknown 05:46:11 captain_pistachio heh - hoping to get on 2.5.0 while its still stable? 05:46:20 vogon_jeltz hehe 05:46:22 captain_pistachio s/2.5.0/2.5/g 05:46:42 captain_pistachio i'm waiting to upgrade to 15 until the xfs stuff comes out for it 05:46:46 vogon_jeltz has used pre-kernels for a couple months, and the devel tree is supposed to be stabler than the prepatches 05:46:51 captain_pistachio i have some xfs things to do 05:47:20 captain_pistachio like building a linux system on one 05:47:39 BZFlag vogon_jeltz: are you going to hack on GM HUD? that would be cool. we need an audio alert too. 05:47:51 captain_pistachio beep beep beep 05:47:52 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: yeah, I'll try 05:48:09 BZFlag sweet. 05:48:12 captain_pistachio damnit why do we have wav files there...they take forever to download on 56k 05:48:15 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: once I get my SDL port up, we can start working on a modding interface 05:48:27 BZFlag is mailing the -users list with updated info... 05:48:36 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: help me with the ogg shiz, and it'll cut the filesize to 10% of what it is now 05:48:58 captain_pistachio is curious exactly what 'ogg shiz' is :) 05:49:03 vogon_jeltz hehe 05:49:27 vogon_jeltz I have to get Ogg and OpenAL to cooperate with the OSS-specific sound code that's already in BZFlag 05:49:49 captain_pistachio replace the OSS code with OpenAL 05:49:54 vogon_jeltz hah 05:49:58 vogon_jeltz not that easy 05:50:25 captain_pistachio why not? 05:50:25 vogon_jeltz I have to kludge up some horribly ugly stuff that'll break all of the class interfaces 05:50:37 vogon_jeltz that's why I'd like to be able to rewrite that code from scratch 05:51:34 captain_pistachio heh ok 05:51:50 captain_pistachio ooh - 1/2 way through checking out the data directory 05:52:01 vogon_jeltz plus, SDL will break everything that OpenAL doesn't 05:52:07 captain_pistachio :) 05:52:49 captain_pistachio yo BZFlag: just found a problem with the flag pickup: 05:52:59 captain_pistachio i was 6m off the ground on an elevated base 05:53:00 vogon_jeltz had never seen Wayne's World in its entirety :/ 05:53:02 BZFlag so rip the bots out first, then redo all the gui from scratch. ;-) 05:53:14 captain_pistachio and picked up a flag that was on the ground 05:53:15 somebody said and was there a dis/sh.dis ? 05:53:15 BZFlag captain_pistachio: and? 05:53:18 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: hehe 05:53:26 vogon_jeltz: I forgot and 05:53:26 vogon_jeltz ibot, forget and 05:53:44 vogon_jeltz U bzflag/data/roof.rgb 05:53:45 vogon_jeltz U bzflag/data/shock.wav 05:54:04 captain_pistachio scratches his head 05:54:12 BZFlag captain_pistachio: sounds like a bug. My reply? don't put buildings 6' off the ground. ;-) 05:54:26 captain_pistachio thinks BZFlag is a lazy sob :) 05:54:30 captain_pistachio no offense 05:54:37 BZFlag none taken. ;-) 05:54:37 vogon_jeltz points out that the message console text is totally farged under Mesa 3.5 and 4.0 05:55:07 captain_pistachio tells vogon_jeltz that the font system used in bzflag is almost as screwed up as the way default building sizes are defined 05:55:10 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: heh... with the newly-written ability to have flags off the ground, I changed it from a flag-pickup circle to a flag-pickup sphere 05:55:22 captain_pistachio how big is the sphere vogon_jeltzq? 05:55:35 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: the radius is the same as it was originally... 05:55:42 captain_pistachio a number? 05:55:52 vogon_jeltz not sure 05:56:01 vogon_jeltz half the tank length 05:56:18 BZFlag should probably be a circle at your current elevation. 05:56:33 BZFlag perhaps +- some small value. 05:56:39 HEMI I was playing bzflag last night, and was wondering something... 05:56:42 captain_pistachio i agree BZFlag 05:56:43 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: I'd like to be able to implement people grabbing flags mid-air ;) 05:57:05 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: then use a cylindar with h=tank height 05:57:08 BZFlag vogon_jeltz: the server does not track the thrown position on flags. 05:57:29 captain_pistachio whats the question HEMI? 05:57:37 BZFlag well, it has the thrown and the target, but it does not watch the flag move. 05:57:55 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: oh; that's why it didn't work :P 05:57:56 HEMI Has there ever been any thoughts on ramps or anything of the sort? The ability to move on a surface in any direction besides flat? 05:57:56 captain_pistachio oh that would be sweet to grab a flying flag... :) 05:58:00 BZFlag that's a client thing. I remove the flag arc sometime to better see the calculation. 05:58:09 BZFlag HEMI: yes. 05:58:16 vogon_jeltz HEMI: it's impossible until we have *real* collision detection 05:58:18 BZFlag likely will never happen. 05:58:34 HEMI That's kind of what I thought...:/ 05:58:37 BZFlag one of my goals is to keep game play simple. 05:58:58 BZFlag and ramps should mean shot angling which makes things much tougher. 05:59:03 HEMI Jumping up to buildings is simpler than driving up a ramp? 05:59:20 captain_pistachio HEMI: yes 05:59:20 BZFlag where as driving up/down a ramp with the tank still level would look funny. 05:59:31 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: that'd be l33t, man ;) 05:59:34 HEMI hahaha 05:59:42 vogon_jeltz HEMI: it is 05:59:46 HEMI okie, I see...The tanks are always oriented parallel to ground... 05:59:49 captain_pistachio has a tank that can do that sitting in his parent's garage 05:59:51 vogon_jeltz HEMI: at least, from a coding perspective 06:00:01 HEMI vogon_jeltz, yeah, from a coding standpoint. 06:00:15 BZFlag and from the viewport display as well. 06:00:31 vogon_jeltz points out that nobody really wants to work on the physics of how a tank handles in a corner, either ;) 06:00:40 HEMI haha 06:00:55 BZFlag ramps with level tanks could be done, but it probably not worth the effort. 06:00:55 vogon_jeltz it's not too hard, but it's not really fun 06:01:15 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: do you mean driving up small steps? 06:01:19 BZFlag better to build a game that has muzzle aiming in it, then build real terrain. 06:01:25 HEMI What did you guys use to compile the source under windows? vc++? 06:01:35 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: no, when the tank is between the ramp and the flat part 06:01:39 BZFlag hey, vc++ 06:01:46 BZFlag er yes, vc++ ;-) 06:01:48 captain_pistachio oh yeah 06:01:59 vogon_jeltz points out that vector math is *not* fun... :P 06:02:32 captain_pistachio points out that you don't need vector math for that 06:02:36 BZFlag I rather see bz go the other direction. a doom like integer engine for a client so it would run on really small hardware. 06:02:45 vogon_jeltz points out that it's the simpler way, tho 06:03:11 captain_pistachio BZFlag: interested on getting bz up on an agenda? 06:03:22 BZFlag imagines no-jumping but... shooting up a ramp with highspeed to catch air. ;-) 06:03:30 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: that'd be cool 06:03:33 BZFlag heh 06:03:45 BZFlag captain_pistachio: I've run it on the ipaq at 6fps 06:03:54 vogon_jeltz points out that one of the coolest things that can be done in Tribes2 is driving a vehicle off a high platform 06:03:56 BZFlag the agenda would be worse with the current code. 06:04:13 captain_pistachio ok - ready to test this? 06:04:17 BZFlag sure 06:04:19 vogon_jeltz sure, whatever 06:04:21 captain_pistachio http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/patch 06:04:38 vogon_jeltz oh, come on 06:04:38 captain_pistachio apply that to current CVS and tell me when you're ready 06:04:42 vogon_jeltz Connecting to jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org:80... connected! 06:04:42 vogon_jeltz HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden 06:04:42 vogon_jeltz 22:02:27 ERROR 403: Forbidden. 06:04:52 vogon_jeltz you're using freaking robots.txt 06:05:17 captain_pistachio i am? 06:05:20 vogon_jeltz yeah 06:05:54 captain_pistachio let me check 06:06:07 vogon_jeltz points out that robots.txt files that forbid wget users from access are the bane of existence 06:06:40 captain_pistachio no robots.txt anywhere on the box 06:06:44 vogon_jeltz hmm 06:07:06 vogon_jeltz must be an idiotic decision in the server config, then 06:07:26 BZFlag that's not against CVS is is? it seems to have a lot of the flags-on buildings stuff in it. 06:07:29 captain_pistachio it might be our code-red killer 06:07:32 vogon_jeltz hehe 06:07:44 captain_pistachio BZFlag: it should be against current CVS 06:07:51 BZFlag hmmm 06:08:19 vogon_jeltz clucks his tongue at captain_pistachio 06:08:34 vogon_jeltz you don't have ErrorDocuments set up for the error messages... 06:08:42 vogon_jeltz easy way for crackers to get your server version 06:09:40 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: my server version is secure 06:09:52 vogon_jeltz hehe 06:09:56 vogon_jeltz so is mine... ;) 06:10:38 captain_pistachio is smarter than to run a web server on his personal machine, however 06:11:58 captain_pistachio is super confused now... 06:12:09 BZFlag ugh.... 06:12:24 BZFlag this is a recursive patch... it includes a much of .patch files etc. 06:12:56 captain_pistachio BZFlag: thats because its from a working tree that i haven't bothered to clean out 06:13:11 BZFlag and .orig files.... 06:13:18 captain_pistachio hmmm 06:13:25 BZFlag and CVS/Root files and CVS/Entries files... 06:13:32 captain_pistachio :) 06:15:52 BZFlag and does not contain the GM fix (ie do a cvs up -PdA) ... 06:16:47 vogon_jeltz my ISP just axed quite a few of their access numbers :/ 06:17:01 vogon_jeltz but, they replaced them with an equal number of new ones :) 06:18:26 BZFlag so far has the 256k patch down to 43k 06:18:36 BZFlag and has still not applied it. 06:18:38 vogon_jeltz heheh 06:19:13 captain_pistachio if you want to send it back i'll be happy to use it as a base for a new source tree 06:19:14 vogon_jeltz [nerdman@fortytwo nerdman]$ cat patch | grep -c Binary 06:19:14 vogon_jeltz 107 06:19:14 vogon_jeltz [nerdman@fortytwo nerdman]$ 06:19:36 vogon_jeltz haven't you ever heard of make clean? ;) 06:19:51 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: haven't you figured out i'm lazy? 06:19:55 vogon_jeltz yes 06:20:24 vogon_jeltz hey, and your patch is broken, too 06:20:27 BZFlag to lazy to type cvs up -PdA ? 06:20:37 vogon_jeltz The next patch would create the file include/BaseBuilding.h, 06:20:37 vogon_jeltz which already exists! Assume -R? [n] 06:21:11 captain_pistachio doesn't know why that happens 06:21:32 vogon_jeltz plus, your patch also patches my repository status files 06:21:43 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: I know 06:22:01 BZFlag yep you should ignore CVS files in your diff line. 06:22:22 BZFlag and .patch and .orig and .diff ... ;-) 06:22:57 BZFlag well, this is going to undo the latest bug fixes in cvs. I'm no applying it. 06:23:00 BZFlag er not... 06:25:23 captain_pistachio you stripped out all the crap? 06:25:52 vogon_jeltz wonders if BZFlag is running greased-turkey yet 06:26:31 BZFlag not yet. I'm stripping out all the bug re-insertions now. 06:26:38 BZFlag vogon_jeltz: nope. 06:27:08 BZFlag Linux localhost 2.4.12 #1 Thu Oct 18 00:09:03 MDT 2001 i686 unknown 06:27:27 vogon_jeltz Linux fortytwo.homeip.net 2.5.0 #1 Fri Nov 23 01:54:31 PST 2001 i686 unknown 06:27:49 vogon_jeltz my kernel is 0.1.-12 newer than yours! :) 06:28:22 captain_pistachio BZFlag: your hostname is localhost? ;) 06:29:01 BZFlag yup. ;-) 06:29:27 vogon_jeltz can't wait for kernel 3.0 06:29:28 BZFlag please don't use comments as version control. if someone wants the old code, they will revert the file. 06:29:36 vogon_jeltz heh 06:29:51 vogon_jeltz I use comments so that I can remember where the hell I put the code 06:30:09 captain_pistachio comments as version control? 06:30:17 I haven't seen 'ogre7299', vogon_jeltz 06:30:17 vogon_jeltz ibot, seen ogre7299 06:30:52 vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot, seen vogon_jeltz [Sat Nov 24 06:30:52 2001] 06:30:52 vogon_jeltz ibot, seen vogon_jeltz 06:30:56 vogon_jeltz hmm 06:30:56 BZFlag ok, it's 34k now and it has a prayer of working. 06:31:09 vogon_jeltz that's the way I like all patches to be ;) 06:31:10 BZFlag vogon_jeltz: that's what diff is for. 06:31:21 captain_pistachio smiles at BZFlag's impressive use of dNd :) 06:31:38 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: I mean to remember where I put the code while I'm still writing it 06:31:46 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: I don't run my own CVS server 06:31:55 BZFlag that's what diff is for. ;-) 06:32:08 captain_pistachio you guys don't happen to know of a working opennap server, do you? 06:32:13 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: and I don't like searching through reams of diffs ;) 06:32:16 BZFlag build patches of other trees. 06:32:24 BZFlag keep the patches small. 06:32:26 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: weedethics.posixnap.net 06:32:42 BZFlag has a directory of some 50 patches that are in progress for bzflag. 06:33:08 captain_pistachio what port? 06:33:09 vogon_jeltz now has 4 3/4 hours of music in his main playlist 06:33:15 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: 6667 06:33:32 vogon_jeltz no, wait a sec 06:33:44 vogon_jeltz 8888 06:34:37 vogon_jeltz wonders if there's a PINE shortcut for "mark all mail for deletion" 06:35:15 captain_pistachio full 06:35:36 vogon_jeltz keep trying 06:35:39 vogon_jeltz I'm on right now ;) 06:36:12 BZFlag did you do a cvs up -PdA yet? you are breaking the latest fixes again. 06:36:45 captain_pistachio tries to remember what he wanted to download 06:37:36 captain_pistachio damnit....what music was I looking for? 06:38:48 vogon_jeltz the music you were looking for 06:39:00 captain_pistachio does a cvs up -PdA 06:39:53 BZFlag nope, can't get there from here. 06:40:12 captain_pistachio can't get where? 06:40:20 BZFlag weedethics.posixnap.net:8888 06:40:29 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: with what app? 06:40:37 BZFlag bzflag of course. 06:40:42 vogon_jeltz mwaahahahaha 06:41:11 captain_pistachio rofl 06:41:27 BZFlag what is is? 06:41:32 BZFlag er what is it? 06:41:39 vogon_jeltz it's an OpenNAP server 06:41:42 captain_pistachio an opennap server 06:41:45 BZFlag ahh 06:41:46 vogon_jeltz like Napster, but open-source 06:41:55 BZFlag I thought you had this test server up. 06:41:59 vogon_jeltz heh 06:42:07 captain_pistachio cvs up is taking forever? 06:42:10 BZFlag I build both client and server. I can't drop any flags on bases. 06:42:26 vogon_jeltz hmm :/ 06:42:49 vogon_jeltz thinks he may have to retool the server to recognize a base as a flag-stopping object 06:43:06 captain_pistachio can't drop *any* flags on bases? 06:43:17 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: i'm working on that 06:43:22 vogon_jeltz heh 06:43:45 vogon_jeltz likes the kludge he used to get teleporters to work right with that code 06:43:47 BZFlag flags on buildings seem to work 06:43:58 captain_pistachio "Nothing found for 'bloch'" :( 06:44:23 BZFlag well... I'm off to bed. 06:44:33 BZFlag want this smaller patch? 06:44:36 vogon_jeltz nn 06:45:01 captain_pistachio BZFlag: yes 06:46:21 vogon_jeltz o/~ Health insurance ripoff, lying / FDA, big bankers buying / Fake computer crashes, dining / cloning while they're multiplying / Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson / Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson / You're all fakes, run to your mansions / Come around, we'll kick your ass in o/~ 06:46:28 vogon_jeltz name that song 06:46:45 captain_pistachio can't 06:46:56 vogon_jeltz "You Get What You Give" by New Radicals 06:47:02 captain_pistachio BZFlag: patch? 06:47:11 BZFlag added to https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=445442&group_id=3248&atid=303248 06:47:28 vogon_jeltz http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=100653845030791&w=2 06:47:41 BZFlag aw, you didn't even give me a chance to guess. 06:47:55 vogon_jeltz haha 06:47:59 captain_pistachio fires up the trusty ole' mozilla 0.9.1 06:48:14 vogon_jeltz fires up the trusty ol' Mozilla 0.9.5 06:48:39 captain_pistachio i'm on a box i haven't hacked around with for 5 months, so... 06:48:43 vogon_jeltz heh 06:48:48 vogon_jeltz that's no excuse 06:49:08 vogon_jeltz haha 06:49:15 vogon_jeltz my computer is more powerful than proton's 06:49:19 vogon_jeltz -captain_pistachio- VERSION xchat 1.6.4 Linux 2.4.2-2 [i686/599MHz] 06:49:33 captain_pistachio your computer is more powerful than my parent's 06:49:41 vogon_jeltz hahah 06:50:26 BZFlag else if (flagsOnBuildings && (topmosttype == 2)) { <- oops, no? 06:50:36 vogon_jeltz I've no clue why the hell it does, but my computer seemingly beeps randomly 06:50:51 captain_pistachio BZFlag: buildings were moved to type 2, remember? 06:52:01 BZFlag yes, but bases (1) are valid too. 06:52:19 captain_pistachio but they are tested in a different if 06:52:29 BZFlag no. base flags are. 06:52:36 captain_pistachio oh hmmm... 06:52:36 BZFlag er team flags... 06:52:50 captain_pistachio BZFlag: what did you say in your email to -users? 06:54:17 vogon_jeltz o/~ There's a whistle up above / and people push and people shove / and there's the girls who try to look pretty / And if your train's on time, you can get to work by 9 / and start your slaving job to get your pay / And if you ever get annoyed / Look at me, I'm self-employed / I love to work at nothing all day o/~ 06:54:50 HEMI rocks BTO 06:55:04 vogon_jeltz hehe 06:55:07 BZFlag updates etc. changelog, that 1.7e4 is eminent, etc. 06:55:51 vogon_jeltz s/eminent/imminent/ ;) 06:56:16 BZFlag takin care of business. 06:56:21 BZFlag bto? 06:56:37 BZFlag ah, yep already said. 06:57:07 vogon_jeltz o/~ Meet the new boss / same as the old boss o/~ 06:57:09 vogon_jeltz name that one 06:58:57 BZFlag un. who... babba o'riely? 06:59:39 vogon_jeltz huh? 07:00:14 BZFlag hope... Who. "Won't Get Fooled Again" 07:00:26 vogon_jeltz yep 07:00:53 vogon_jeltz points out that it was the official campaign song of George W. Bush 07:01:04 captain_pistachio wonders yet again why his server died 07:01:36 BZFlag Baba O'Riley == most folks call it "Teenage Wasteland" but that's not the real title. 07:02:25 vogon_jeltz ahh 07:03:02 BZFlag I was thinking of that one first. 07:03:35 vogon_jeltz wonders if his SMTP server's dead 07:04:14 vogon_jeltz Tim, if you get my e-mail message, plz reply :P 07:04:55 BZFlag not yet. (oh, so perhaps I should not reply? ) 07:05:08 vogon_jeltz heh 07:05:21 vogon_jeltz wonders if his SMTP has bitten the big one 07:07:34 BZFlag o/~ Rael, Imperial Aerosol King / wipes his gun / he's forgotten what he's done o/~ 07:07:43 vogon_jeltz heh 07:07:48 vogon_jeltz I don't know that one 07:08:19 vogon_jeltz o/~ My heart is human / My blood is boiling / My brain IBM o/~ 07:08:39 BZFlag APP. 07:08:48 BZFlag oh, wait... nope. styx 07:08:53 BZFlag mr roboto 07:08:55 vogon_jeltz yes 07:09:29 BZFlag ibot search google for "Rael, Imperial Aerosol King" 07:09:31 BZFlag: Google can't find Rael, Imperial Aerosol King 07:09:37 BZFlag heh 07:14:07 vogon_jeltz o/~ Wir sprengten jeden Rahmen / als wir zusammen kamen / war's wie eine Explosion / und ich schwör' / ich spür' die Erschütterung immer noch o/~ 07:14:12 vogon_jeltz name the soundtrack 07:14:18 BZFlag o/~ You are only coming through in waves / Your lips move but I cannot hear what you say o/~ 07:15:21 BZFlag Wish - Komm Zu Mir 07:15:28 vogon_jeltz good job 07:15:41 BZFlag don't ask me to translate it. 07:16:50 captain_pistachio ibot, x de en Wir sprengten jeden Rahmen 07:16:51 captain_pistachio: We blew up each framework 07:16:53 BZFlag still no mail. did you get my last one? 07:17:03 captain_pistachio ibot, x de en als wir zusammen kamen 07:17:04 captain_pistachio: as we together came 07:17:11 BZFlag er, not mail.. the song. ;-) 07:18:23 vogon_jeltz o/~ Wham! Bam! Mon chat Splash / Git sur mon lit et bouffe sa langue / et buvant tronc mon whisky / quant a moi / peut dormir, vider, brimer / J'ai du dormir dans la goutierre / Ou j'ai eu un flash / (Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) En quatre couleurs! o/~ 07:18:30 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: nope 07:18:51 BZFlag Pink Floyd. Comfortably numb. 07:18:54 vogon_jeltz nope 07:19:00 captain_pistachio just got a core dump on bzfs 07:19:01 BZFlag no, mine. ;-) 07:19:07 vogon_jeltz oh 07:19:30 captain_pistachio on nevermind i found it 07:20:08 BZFlag Ca Plane Pour Moi 07:20:14 vogon_jeltz Plastic Bertrand 07:20:22 vogon_jeltz and you're using a search engine ;) 07:20:30 BZFlag heh. ;-) 07:20:46 BZFlag ok, I used it for wish too. ;-) 07:20:53 BZFlag but the others I knew. 07:21:01 vogon_jeltz hehe 07:21:20 vogon_jeltz ibot, x fr en o/~ Wham! Bam! Mon chat Splash / Git sur mon lit et bouffe sa langue / et buvant tronc mon whisky / quant a moi / peut dormir, vider, brimer / J'ai du dormir dans la goutierre / Ou j'ai eu un flash / (Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) En quatre couleurs! o/~ 07:21:22 vogon_jeltz: o/~ Wham! Bam! My cat Splash / Git on my bed and puffs out its language / and drinking trunk my whisky / as for me / can sleep, to empty, to persecute / I have to sleep in the goutierre / Or I had a flash / (Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh) four colors! o/~ 07:21:41 vogon_jeltz wow, that's a crap translation 07:21:47 BZFlag heh. 07:22:03 vogon_jeltz of course, I'm missing some accent marks 07:22:05 captain_pistachio you expect a meaning translation from a poor little IRC bot? 07:22:10 BZFlag well, must sleep. be on tomorrow. release soon. ;-) 07:22:11 vogon_jeltz hehehe 07:22:13 vogon_jeltz BZFlag: nn 07:22:26 captain_pistachio goodnight 07:22:32 BZFlag and things like "git" mess it up. 07:22:34 BZFlag nite 07:24:15 captain_pistachio wonders why bzflag links with libcrypto 07:25:07 vogon_jeltz o/~ (Yam! Bam!) / (Mon chat "Splash") / Gît sur mon lit / A bouffé sa langue / En buvant (tronc) mon whisky / Quant à moi / Peu dormi, vidé, brimé / J'ai dû dormir dans la gouttière / Où j'ai eu un flash / Hou! Hou! Hou! Hou! / En quatre couleurs o/~ 07:25:22 vogon_jeltz (the correct lyrics, with accent marks) 07:25:33 vogon_jeltz ibot, x fr en o/~ (Yam! Bam!) / (Mon chat "Splash") / Gît sur mon lit / A bouffé sa langue / En buvant (tronc) mon whisky / Quant à moi / Peu dormi, vidé, brimé / J'ai dû dormir dans la gouttière / Où j'ai eu un flash / Hou! Hou! Hou! Hou! / En quatre couleurs o/~ 07:25:34 vogon_jeltz: o/~ (Yam! Bam!) / (My cat " Splash ") / G 07:25:40 vogon_jeltz haha 07:34:01 captain_pistachio argh 07:37:47 captain_pistachio kills vogon_jeltz 07:38:14 vogon_jeltz kills captain_pistachio 07:38:57 captain_pistachio sorry - just needing to vent my frustrations 07:38:59 captain_pistachio i should get to bed 07:39:03 captain_pistachio too tired to think 07:39:30 vogon_jeltz nn 07:40:07 captain_pistachio should and will are 2 different things :) 07:45:04 captain_pistachio is very confused now... 07:45:54 captain_pistachio hey vogon_jeltz: what exactly is safety? 07:46:15 vogon_jeltz it determines where a team flag lands if it's dropped over a base 07:47:12 captain_pistachio should be (0,0,0), no? 07:47:17 vogon_jeltz no 07:47:44 vogon_jeltz if you drop a flag just in front of your base, do you want it to fly all the way to the center? ;) 07:47:45 captain_pistachio what should it be? 07:48:01 vogon_jeltz it should be half-a-standard-pyramid-width away from the edge of the base 07:48:47 captain_pistachio hmmm 07:52:44 captain_pistachio i wonder who ogre was 07:59:40 captain_pistachio ooh! progress! 08:02:30 HEMI Question for you guys... 08:03:19 HEMI Have you considered using any existing code from other GPLed 3D games? The source for Quake is GPLed and it would probably have some usefulness... 08:03:40 vogon_jeltz uhh... no, it wouldn't :P 08:03:51 vogon_jeltz it's an entirely different engine, written in C 08:04:07 vogon_jeltz (as opposed to C++) 08:04:16 HEMI Ah... 08:04:35 vogon_jeltz if we had the time, we might be able to add in the code, but we're trying not to try to break it too badly ;) 08:04:52 captain_pistachio plus our engine has a different aim than quake's 08:04:58 HEMI Do you guys have any problems with cheaters? 08:05:04 vogon_jeltz yeah 08:05:15 vogon_jeltz and we're working on fixing it for 1.8 or 2.0 08:05:15 HEMI From the description I read from your client/server setup last night I'd think cheating would run rampant. 08:05:48 captain_pistachio it does 08:06:12 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: I was giving some thought to the idea, and I think I have an answer 08:06:14 HEMI Yeah...Basically because the server doesn't really monitor what the clients are doing or anything, right? Doesn't keep track of players as far as positions and such? 08:06:37 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: we could have clients with just platform-specific stubs and script interpreters 08:06:57 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: every time you start the game, it downloads the scripts applicable to the game 08:07:12 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: from a central server 08:07:22 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: thats nice but I don't want to script everything 08:07:25 HEMI Heh 08:07:46 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: this is in the long term, tho 08:07:53 HEMI Or you could just checksum the binary and request a checksum on connect? :P 08:08:00 vogon_jeltz HEMI: it can be falsified 08:08:03 HEMI have a list it matches against 08:08:22 vogon_jeltz wait a sec :/ 08:08:23 HEMI Sure it could, but so could downloading scripts, some way. 08:08:39 vogon_jeltz I read something about OpenSSL and I think the public key system used there could help 08:08:56 HEMI I was just thinking md5() :) 08:09:13 vogon_jeltz see, if you decrypt an SSL packet and re-encrypt it, you've irrevocably changed it 08:09:21 vogon_jeltz it has a tamper-proofing dealie 08:09:25 HEMI Ah, nice. 08:09:46 vogon_jeltz wait, n/m :/ 08:09:47 captain_pistachio HEMI: then someone md5's a real client and has their hack-job send back the fake sum when its requested 08:10:26 HEMI captain_pistachio, sure, but the same could work for scripts. Someone could hack the client to just disregard the downloads and use specified scripts or wahtever. 08:10:33 HEMI One of the downsides of open-source. 08:10:43 vogon_jeltz hmmm 08:11:11 vogon_jeltz we could also have the server run "conformance tests" on the client upon connect 08:11:25 vogon_jeltz (spawn a shot aimed at the client tank in limbo, see how it reacts...) 08:11:27 HEMI *any* cheating safeguard you specify that tries to maintain the "vague" client/server implementation that exists now can be averted by just rewriting a bit of source. 08:11:40 captain_pistachio oh god - i'm an idiot 08:12:16 HEMI ? 08:12:31 captain_pistachio found a typo bug 08:12:34 vogon_jeltz hah 08:12:52 HEMI Better to find it than change 300 lines of code and find it later. 08:12:59 vogon_jeltz wonders 08:14:53 captain_pistachio ok i'm really going to sleep now 08:14:56 captain_pistachio goodnight 08:14:57 vogon_jeltz nn 08:15:05 HEMI G'nite captain_proton_. 08:30:00 vogon_jeltz is away: TV 08:35:36 iLLf8d night 13:15:32 vogon_jeltz is back (gone 04:45:27) 17:37:21 Chestal re 19:40:09 captain_pistachio wakes up 19:41:32 captain_pistachio 19:41:42 vogon_jeltz hi 19:41:48 salut, captain_pistachio 19:41:48 captain_pistachio hello 19:42:17 captain_pistachio why hello ibot, nice to see you 19:42:22 vogon_jeltz hehe 19:43:40 captain_pistachio hmmm...a martial arts tournament on dec. 8... 19:44:15 captain_pistachio should i do it? 19:44:20 vogon_jeltz meh 19:44:29 captain_pistachio meh?? 19:44:42 vogon_jeltz m-e-h; meh 19:44:57 captain_pistachio meaning? 19:45:51 vogon_jeltz ask ibot 19:46:06 meh int. /meh/ An interjection expressing apathy 19:46:06 captain_pistachio ibot, meh? 19:46:12 captain_pistachio ahhh 19:47:47 captain_pistachio considers going back to bzflag coding 19:48:37 captain_pistachio how is GM HUD going? 19:48:49 vogon_jeltz it's not 19:48:51 vogon_jeltz :) 19:49:04 captain_pistachio why not? 19:49:12 vogon_jeltz I haven't gotten to it yet 19:49:18 captain_pistachio tim suggested wanting it in e4 19:49:28 vogon_jeltz yeah, and I'll try to have it for e4 19:54:16 captain_pistachio segfault on quit in BzfRegion::setNeighbor 19:54:26 vogon_jeltz hmm 19:57:48 captain_pistachio hey are you working on anything at the moment? 19:57:56 vogon_jeltz yeah, the GM HUD 19:58:03 captain_pistachio hmmm 19:58:07 vogon_jeltz just started a minute ago :P 19:58:10 captain_pistachio there's a problem with flag up-down 19:58:28 vogon_jeltz I fixed that 19:58:40 vogon_jeltz it's the thing where it falls through the building, right? 20:03:29 captain_pistachio no - when it hits its landing point, it goes a little too far, then pops back up 20:03:41 vogon_jeltz hmm 20:04:02 vogon_jeltz I think I fixed that, but Tim may have broken it, or I might have broken it... ya never know 20:04:31 vogon_jeltz I think I set the "check-for-interrupting-building" loop too granularly 20:09:22 captain_pistachio um....the flag knows where it should land...it should just stop when the z anim of the flag = the z landing pos 20:09:36 vogon_jeltz hmm 20:10:02 vogon_jeltz I forget when/if I fixed it, but I think I did :/ 20:10:32 captain_pistachio thinks it needs to be fixed before release 20:10:55 vogon_jeltz it's a problem in the MsgDropFlag emission code in the server, I'll tell you that 20:11:10 vogon_jeltz but exactly which line, I can't tell you, as I don't have my patches handy at the moment 20:11:18 vogon_jeltz and I'm working on the GM HUD 20:11:33 captain_pistachio okee 20:13:26 captain_pistachio hi BZFlag 20:13:48 vogon_jeltz hi, tim 20:13:48 vogon_jeltz s/tim/Tim 20:14:25 vogon_jeltz is taking the fast way out this time with his GM patch 20:14:48 vogon_jeltz I'm writing up new functions :) 20:15:39 captain_pistachio hmm....a *.bzflag.org addy... 20:15:44 vogon_jeltz hehe 20:15:49 vogon_jeltz where? 20:16:54 captain_pistachio something in BZFlag's email to -users 20:17:06 vogon_jeltz wants a bzflag.org e-mail addy 20:18:00 captain_pistachio hey BZFlag: about the server .bzflag.org addys....is it possible to use dyndns? 20:18:12 Chestal have you used the send-to-nemesis feature? 20:18:20 captain_pistachio Chestal: yes 20:18:54 Chestal what's strange about it: when you have gm you can use right mouse button for lockign and to set the send-to-target, but not with gm 20:19:07 Chestal eh, withotu gm 20:19:21 Chestal it would be useful to be able to set the send-to target with right-clicking always 20:19:33 vogon_jeltz uhh... that'd require a good bit of code on the client side 20:19:51 Chestal huh? 20:20:06 vogon_jeltz it only sets the PlayerId of the person you're looking at when you lock on 20:20:12 Chestal right 20:20:13 captain_pistachio that would be really cool :) 20:20:16 vogon_jeltz not when you're just looking at them :) 20:20:30 Chestal so only one line would have to be added, I'll submit a patch, might even be a defect report 20:20:35 BZFlag captain_pistachio: sure. I'll add a foo.bzflag.org cname to a dyndns.org address. 20:20:51 Chestal also, you own messages shoudl be echoed always 20:20:58 vogon_jeltz SIGKILL (Red Team): [direct] Die, cappy 20:20:59 captain_pistachio now I have to think of an address... 20:21:08 Chestal and the [direct]-thingy is not very user friendly, too 20:21:09 vogon_jeltz captain_proton (Rogue): [direct] Not likely 20:21:11 captain_pistachio gee thanks vogon_jeltz 20:21:21 captain_pistachio :) 20:21:21 vogon_jeltz <vogon_jeltz> captain_proton (Rogue): [direct] Not likely 20:21:24 vogon_jeltz hehe 20:21:39 captain_pistachio hey guys...what would be a good address for my server? 20:22:00 vogon_jeltz *shrug* 20:22:02 Chestal have you played against my current bot (code ia about 10 days old)? 20:22:05 BZFlag proton.bzflag.org 20:22:19 vogon_jeltz ooh, I wanna be fortytwo.bzflag.org :) 20:22:31 vogon_jeltz I'm fortytwo.homeip.net right now 20:22:33 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: you do not run a server :) 20:22:37 vogon_jeltz yes, I do 20:22:41 vogon_jeltz visit fortytwo.homeip.net 20:22:45 captain_pistachio bzflag server i mean 20:22:46 captain_pistachio :) 20:22:48 vogon_jeltz ohh, OK :) 20:22:55 vogon_jeltz runs a Web server 20:22:58 captain_pistachio i'll be boring 20:23:09 captain_pistachio can you link bhaskara.bzflag.org to bhaskara.babylonia.flatirons.org? 20:23:10 vogon_jeltz capable of upwards of *two* hits per hour 20:23:12 Chestal hmm, might be cute to have a .bzflag.org name for ducati, too :-) 20:23:20 BZFlag I'm off to get a tree. mail me dns requests. 20:23:30 captain_pistachio ok - have fun 20:23:35 vogon_jeltz bye 20:23:39 Chestal BZFlag: good luck 20:23:55 vogon_jeltz ponders how he's going to get RTTI-ish functionality without RTTI 20:24:16 Chestal I never really ever need RTTI yet 20:24:19 vogon_jeltz heh 20:24:29 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: include a static standard length string identifying the type in each class 20:24:34 vogon_jeltz eek 20:24:37 vogon_jeltz no thanks 20:24:41 Chestal vogon: don't know what you want to achieve 20:24:44 vogon_jeltz I'll take the other, less-hard way out 20:24:53 vogon_jeltz I'm working on my GM HUD thing again 20:24:54 captain_pistachio RTTI is a POS anyway - avoid it 20:24:59 vogon_jeltz yeah, I know 20:25:19 captain_pistachio eats a turkey sandwich 20:25:26 Chestal vogon: if you need it, why not use it? 20:25:29 vogon_jeltz already had two ham sandwiches 20:25:35 vogon_jeltz Chestal: it's a slow piece of crap :) 20:25:50 vogon_jeltz Chestal: that's why I'm on the fence about it 20:25:51 captain_pistachio and its not supported in all compilers *cough* vc++ *couch* 20:25:52 Chestal vogon_jeltz: that's a quality of implementation issue, I doubt that it's slow with most compilers 20:26:08 vogon_jeltz Chestal: not to mention BZFlag is currently made with -fno-rtti 20:26:21 vogon_jeltz Chestal: and I'm guessing Tim had a good reason for it ;) 20:26:30 Chestal well, ok, but why do you need RTTIliek fucntionality in bzflag? 20:26:45 vogon_jeltz Chestal: to keep from breaking this code too badly 20:27:24 vogon_jeltz Chestal: but, n/m, I'll fix it :) 20:27:29 Chestal what class hierarchy do you want to use RTTI for? Player? 20:27:31 vogon_jeltz ... or die trying 20:27:36 vogon_jeltz Chestal: ShotStrategy 20:27:54 Chestal we need a major redesign for the bzflag client, decoupling game logic and GUI 20:27:57 vogon_jeltz yeah 20:28:02 captain_pistachio opens a box of fudge-mint-covered oreos 20:28:11 vogon_jeltz I'd like to see a full port to OpenAL, SDL, and SDL_console 20:28:20 vogon_jeltz and SDL_net 20:28:36 captain_pistachio I though SDL_console isn't supported on all platforms? 20:28:43 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: it's a free plugin for SDL 20:28:51 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: and most platforms support SDL 20:28:58 vogon_jeltz is too lazy to type cappy's whole name 20:29:01 captain_pistachio looks 20:29:24 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: last time I checked, it was LGPLed, so we can include it right in the source base 20:29:28 captain_pistachio SWEET! an SDL wrapper for gnugo :) 20:29:45 captain_pistachio SDL_console: win, linux 20:29:51 vogon_jeltz hehe 20:29:59 Chestal any News on the OS X port? 20:30:03 vogon_jeltz notice, they don't have any other icons besides Windows, Linux, and Mac 20:30:19 vogon_jeltz and Mac prolly isn't there because nobody's tried it 20:30:22 vogon_jeltz Chestal: not that I know of 20:30:27 captain_pistachio and be 20:30:41 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: well, yeah :P 20:30:48 Chestal I forgot who was working on it. It was someone who is on this channel sometimes 20:31:07 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: either way, the thing is only about 200 lines long, so I doubt it's platform-specific 20:32:00 vogon_jeltz and if you put some nice border images around the console, they look pretty cool 20:32:02 captain_pistachio true...do we need a console in bz? 20:32:09 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: for the messages 20:32:20 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: and we could have a drop-down for commands like /kick 20:33:07 captain_pistachio ahh - so do a CS-like interface where in the console you have to do 'say xxxxxxxx'? 20:33:13 vogon_jeltz yeah 20:33:20 vogon_jeltz and for the talk shortcut keys, that's not needed 20:35:20 captain_pistachio then we can clean up the commands a lot 20:35:22 captain_pistachio no /'s 20:35:36 vogon_jeltz you can set them to have /'s, tho 20:35:36 HEMI ugh 20:35:40 captain_pistachio: that doesn't look right 20:35:40 captain_pistachio and change CLIENTQUERY from a message to a command in lower case 20:35:43 HEMI Game would get a lot quieter...:/ 20:35:52 captain_pistachio HEMI: how so? 20:36:02 no idea, captain_pistachio 20:36:02 captain_pistachio ibot: huh? 20:36:03 HEMI I don't think most people are going to bother to open a client to chat. 20:36:13 vogon_jeltz HEMI: we're saying that you won't need to say "/say" on the console; you can still use the shortcut keys 20:36:15 captain_pistachio you wouldn't need to open the console to chat 20:36:34 HEMI Ah, that works. That's what I get for not following the whole conversation. 20:36:35 vogon_jeltz HEMI: and we could implement "/sayplr <player> <message>" 20:37:55 captain_pistachio vogon_jeltz: you mean "/msg <player> <message>" :) 20:37:55 HEMI http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23007.html 20:38:16 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: yeah, whatever 20:38:22 vogon_jeltz HEMI: read it, posted to slashdot 20:39:08 captain_pistachio wants gestures to be ported to moz 0.9.6 quickly 20:40:01 HEMI 2.4.15 corrupts on mount. Lovely. :) 20:40:18 vogon_jeltz no, it corrupts on 20:40:22 vogon_jeltz *un*mount 20:40:23 captain_pistachio wow you got on /. vogon_jeltz :) 20:40:27 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: yep 20:40:34 vogon_jeltz is Colin Bayer, btw 20:40:43 HEMI Unmount, yeah. 20:40:51 vogon_jeltz I have karma of 32 20:41:00 vogon_jeltz I'm 18 away from the cap :) 20:41:53 captain_pistachio heh 20:42:20 captain_pistachio tries to remember how to look up karma 20:42:40 vogon_jeltz http://slashdot.org/~yourname 20:44:43 captain_pistachio karma: 1 20:44:52 vogon_jeltz heh 20:45:12 vogon_jeltz I can give myself an automatic +1 on any comment I want 20:45:54 captain_pistachio my +1 came from complaining about tuxracer 1.0 being non-GPL 20:46:05 vogon_jeltz nice 20:46:36 captain_pistachio i was pointing out that Patry closed it because of 'lack of outside support', but I offered several times to help and never got a response 20:47:01 vogon_jeltz heh... I submitted a patch that was never put into the tree 20:48:22 captain_pistachio 8 more minutes until I play SDL_go 20:49:26 captain_pistachio is willing to bet vogon_jeltz doesn't play go 20:49:32 vogon_jeltz nope 20:49:48 captain_pistachio you should :) 20:49:53 vogon_jeltz yeah, I know :) 20:50:24 vogon_jeltz actually, I did play a game called Pente from Milton Bradley... it claims to be like a large version of Go :P 20:50:35 captain_pistachio large version? 20:50:45 vogon_jeltz yeah; the board was something like 80x80 20:50:52 captain_pistachio my god 20:50:57 captain_pistachio that would take *forever* 20:51:01 vogon_jeltz hehe 20:51:14 captain_pistachio when a normal game takes 2 hours... 20:51:47 captain_pistachio i can't imagine a board 16x as big 20:51:57 vogon_jeltz well, it was aimed at the home crowd, that doesn't know a thing about the game 20:52:10 captain_pistachio ok i guess i can see that 20:52:52 vogon_jeltz and there weren't enough pieces to cover the board, either ;) 20:53:08 captain_pistachio well...with a board that big 20:53:15 captain_pistachio even my set has just enough... 20:53:35 captain_pistachio in fact, you don't need more than that 20:55:37 captain_pistachio reads the review of AtheOS 21:03:34 captain_pistachio great.../me needs SDL_ttf 21:05:13 vogon_jeltz hacks on his GM HUD patch some more 21:05:20 vogon_jeltz I think I'm getting close 21:08:23 captain_pistachio i just love fixing other people's release code :P 21:08:31 vogon_jeltz hehe 21:12:55 captain_pistachio damn...this is such gross code 21:13:09 vogon_jeltz hehe 21:13:12 vogon_jeltz so is this 21:15:27 captain_pistachio look at this line: 21:16:13 captain_pistachio blackStone = new Surface(w, h, Color::getTrueColor?Pixelformat(32):Pixelformat(8)); 21:16:17 captain_pistachio it needs to be this: 21:16:18 vogon_jeltz ahahahahaha 21:16:24 captain_pistachio blackStone = new Surface(w, h, Color::getTrueColor() ?Pixelformat(32):Pixelformat(8)); 21:16:37 vogon_jeltz god, that is crappy code 21:16:56 captain_pistachio he was using the f***ing function address and because it compiles, he's fine with it 21:17:57 captain_pistachio OH MY GOD 21:18:02 vogon_jeltz what? 21:18:10 captain_pistachio he wrapped SDL 21:18:18 vogon_jeltz aahahahahahahahahaa 21:19:07 vogon_jeltz <SDL_go_guy> I'm so l33t, I'm not going to put up with this high-level API; I'll make a super-high-level wrapper for it 21:19:56 captain_pistachio SDL is about as high level as you can get! 21:20:05 vogon_jeltz hehe 21:21:48 captain_pistachio he invented SDL_SetClipping :) 21:21:52 vogon_jeltz heh 21:23:55 captain_pistachio goes through and changes SDL_SetClipping to use SDL_Rect's and SDL_SetClipRect 21:28:23 captain_pistachio yes! it compiles! 21:29:12 captain_pistachio ARGH!!!!!!!!!! 21:29:17 captain_pistachio gives up on SDL_go 21:29:28 vogon_jeltz hah 21:31:57 captain_pistachio damn...i'd forgotten how good gnugo is... 21:33:15 captain_pistachio kosumi????? it knows about kosumi??????? 21:36:13 captain_pistachio is getting his ass kicked 21:44:05 captain_pistachio gives up on the game because the board is impossible to read 21:44:39 vogon_jeltz w00t... the compile's working so far 21:44:45 vogon_jeltz w00t!!!! 21:44:49 vogon_jeltz I think I got it to work 21:45:03 captain_pistachio i fixed the flag up-down bug 21:45:11 vogon_jeltz can you start a game on your server with only GM flags? 21:45:26 captain_pistachio um...one moment 21:46:18 captain_pistachio 161.97.204.99:5155 21:46:23 vogon_jeltz got it 21:46:24 captain_pistachio i'll join you there 21:46:28 vogon_jeltz is away: BZFlag testing 21:47:23 captain_pistachio coming? 21:48:14 captain_pistachio wonders where vogon_jeltz is 21:48:25 vogon_jeltz hmm 21:48:28 vogon_jeltz it segfaulted :/ 21:48:58 captain_pistachio lol 21:49:11 vogon_jeltz heh 21:49:16 vogon_jeltz *not* funny 21:50:28 vogon_jeltz this is *so* not cool 21:50:30 captain_pistachio starts writing whoseBase - one of the last things to do 21:52:00 vogon_jeltz hey, and it segfaulted in another place now 21:52:29 captain_pistachio well, its progress 21:52:30 captain_pistachio maybe 21:52:33 vogon_jeltz heh 21:52:41 vogon_jeltz I commented out the code that caused the last segfault; that's why 21:53:02 iLLf8d lo all 21:53:05 salut, vogon_jeltz 21:53:05 vogon_jeltz hi 21:53:47 iLLf8d i've been trying to change my radar color on and off for quite some time w/out luck. The board cited a format taht doesn't seem to work in the .bzflag file (or at least didn't when I tried it) now I can't find the page to retry it 21:53:57 iLLf8d anyone know how to fix this on an *nix system 21:54:06 iLLf8d i'm tried of blue tanks looking like flags 21:54:45 captain_pistachio blue tanks looking like flags?? 21:54:45 vogon_jeltz uhh... flags are crosses and tanks are diamonds... where's the similarity? :) 21:55:58 iLLf8d yeah 21:56:12 iLLf8d its blueradar and 3 nujmbers between 0 and 1 inclusive 21:56:14 iLLf8d whatever that means 21:56:25 iLLf8d whats 0-1 inclusive mean? 21:56:44 captain_pistachio it means any number between 0 and 1 21:56:46 captain_pistachio including 0 and 1 21:56:47 iLLf8d the similarity is that theres a ton of flags and you can't see the tanks if they're almost identical color 21:56:58 iLLf8d so like what .99 21:56:59 captain_pistachio so 0, 0.5, 0.75, and 1 would work 21:57:02 iLLf8d ah 21:57:02 iLLf8d ok 21:57:03 captain_pistachio .99 works 21:57:06 captain_pistachio but 1.01 doesn't 21:57:16 iLLf8d and 3 numbers you think space delimited? 21:57:20 captain_pistachio i think 21:59:00 iLLf8d hmm 22:01:35 iLLf8d wtf hmm 22:01:58 iLLf8d when I add in blueradar I tried .50 .50 .50, also 1 and .5's 22:02:10 iLLf8d I save file it saves correctlyu 22:02:14 iLLf8d I less file changes are there 22:02:16 iLLf8d I start bzflag 22:02:30 iLLf8d and when I close bzflag (colors didnt' work btw) 22:02:34 iLLf8d the changes are gone outta the config 22:03:28 iLLf8d hmm 22:04:05 captain_pistachio interesting 22:09:36 iLLf8d rocl 22:09:38 iLLf8d rock 22:09:39 iLLf8d it worked 22:09:49 iLLf8d I just need all the options apparently 22:09:54 iLLf8d not just for that one color 22:10:03 iLLf8d yeah 22:10:15 iLLf8d gotta tweak purple now but blue jumps out at you now 22:10:24 iLLf8d is psyched die blue lovers 22:12:28 captain_pistachio misses his dorm net connection 22:14:44 iLLf8d hmm 22:14:57 iLLf8d the radar color isn't taking for the purple one but the tank color is 22:14:59 iLLf8d go figure 22:15:25 captain_pistachio heh 22:16:22 iLLf8d rock 22:16:23 iLLf8d ok 22:16:24 iLLf8d I got it 22:16:34 iLLf8d needs a space at the end of the config file too I guess 22:16:51 iLLf8d now I can see all the tanks on radar like a mofo heh 22:17:24 captain_pistachio does not want to think about math right now :( 22:23:39 captain_pistachio has a bzflag.org addy :) 22:23:47 vogon_jeltz hehe 22:23:51 Chestal mail or host? 22:24:03 captain_pistachio host 22:24:17 Chestal hmm, I would like one also, haven't thought about the name, though 22:25:22 captain_pistachio i was boring: just used my hostname 22:25:46 Chestal I considered that, might be the best way to go for me since a lot of people know ducati 22:25:53 captain_pistachio probably 22:26:23 captain_pistachio i'm gonna laugh when the entire server list has .bzflag.org addresses... 22:27:20 Chestal hehe 22:29:24 captain_pistachio i guess i could do mail too... 22:30:04 captain_pistachio hmmm...not to big on the idea of running sendmail... 22:31:03 captain_pistachio argh...my brain isn't working 22:43:19 captain_pistachio takes his sister to Monsters, Inc. 23:24:54 vogon_jeltz captain_proton_: get qmail (http://qmail.org) 23:58:43 BZFlag who had that nuke flags server patch? 23:58:49 BZFlag wants it 23:58:53 vogon_jeltz not me Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! 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