| 03:16:27 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 09:31:49) |
| 03:20:09 | vogon_jeltz | :/ |
| 03:20:20 | vogon_jeltz | I can't find my copy of cappy's HUD patches either |
| 03:20:49 | vogon_jeltz | has a cron job set for every month to remove his excess source trees, too |
| 03:21:28 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: do I have your blessings to rewrite the audio routines? ;) |
| 03:21:31 | HEMI | argh. :/ |
| 03:21:44 | HEMI | BZFlag locks windows solid and kills the video on my FreeBSD box. :( |
| 03:22:10 | vogon_jeltz | man, I'm glad BZFlag works in Linux without any major issues ;) |
| 03:22:24 | HEMI | It worked fabulously once for me... |
| 03:22:28 | HEMI | What vid hardware are you using? |
| 03:22:42 | vogon_jeltz | mumbles under his breath words like "Linux" and "1995" |
| 03:22:56 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: Voodoo5 5500 |
| 03:22:57 | HEMI | ? |
| 03:23:01 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 03:23:04 | HEMI | Ah...I'm using a v3/3000... |
| 03:23:16 | vogon_jeltz | FreeBSD is running into the same teething problems Linux was 6 years ago |
| 03:23:33 | |ks| | mumbles under his breath words like "BSD" and "1983" ;^) |
| 03:23:34 | HEMI | I think the DRI drivers I hacked together for FreeBSD are sort of flaky...THey WORK for most things...But I still think they are semi-questionable. |
| 03:23:41 | vogon_jeltz | and I wouldn't ride out the wave for another 6 years only to have kinda-sorta-but-not-quite hardware support |
| 03:23:48 | vogon_jeltz | like Linux has now |
| 03:23:52 | vogon_jeltz | |ks|: heh |
| 03:24:01 | HEMI | vogon_jeltz: the only spot is in the video area. Everywhere else I'd say they support just as much hardware as Linux and are just as advanced OS-wise. |
| 03:24:11 | vogon_jeltz | |ks|: the original Berkeley BSDs weren't designed for gaming machines |
| 03:24:31 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: hah... then, care to explain why you had to hack together video drivers? :P |
| 03:24:41 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: I agree that FreeBSD is a good OS |
| 03:24:45 | HEMI | Because we're too busy making our OS great for doing real work in. |
| 03:24:52 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: but it's better for the servers out there |
| 03:24:54 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: hahaha |
| 03:25:03 | vogon_jeltz | wanders off, laughing |
| 03:25:48 | HEMI | I used to be a big linux guy...Not trying to start a flame war here... |
| 03:25:52 | vogon_jeltz | HEMI: you're not going to get any amount of "real work" done on an OS that has to emulate another OS to get decent apps support... sorry, but it's the case with Linux, too :) |
| 03:26:14 | HEMI | It also locks up under XP...Which is why I'm going to go back to 2K this weekend, cause again, video drivers suck. |
| 03:26:34 | |ks| | vog: well, no... and neither were most consumer OSes of that era designed for concurrent use by many users =) |
| 03:26:42 | vogon_jeltz | |ks|: hehe |
| 03:26:57 | HEMI | vogon_jeltz, you're right...I'd probably use a commercial UNIX for anything really heavy-duty. |
| 03:27:00 | vogon_jeltz | |ks|: the problem is, it's a code fork, and it inherits many of the problems of its parent BSDs |
| 03:27:13 | |ks| | anyway, need to start heading towards bed, lots of driving tomorrow... |
| 03:27:25 | HEMI | G'nite |ks|. |
| 03:27:26 | vogon_jeltz | |ks|: the upside is, it inherits the stability and security of the BSDs, too |
| 03:27:32 | |ks| | night |
| 03:27:36 | vogon_jeltz | nn |
| 03:27:51 | HEMI | I'm putting together a machine this weekend that has an old ATI RAge Pro all-in-wonder...Going to see if that does ok with BZFlag... |
| 03:28:02 | HEMI | And other games, like Quake II, that don't like OpenGL + XP. |
| 03:28:13 | vogon_jeltz | it should, and it will once we kludge in some decent polygon culling |
| 03:28:37 | vogon_jeltz | the killer chip for BZFlag would most likely be a Kyro II/III |
| 03:28:56 | HEMI | Yeah...With all the hardware T&L? |
| 03:29:04 | vogon_jeltz | no, with the tile-based renderer |
| 03:29:11 | vogon_jeltz | and preemptive hardware culling |
| 03:29:23 | vogon_jeltz | no, preemptive's not the right word :/ |
| 03:29:29 | HEMI | Ah, yeah, I guess that would help... |
| 03:29:47 | vogon_jeltz | anyway, it kills all of the obscured polygons before they hit the gfx pipeline |
| 03:29:48 | HEMI | is ther eany talk of mapping anything over the polygons instead of having just "raw" shapes? |
| 03:30:08 | vogon_jeltz | if you want to write up collision detection, then sure |
| 03:30:40 | vogon_jeltz | the current engine only does collision detection against the bounding box of the bottom part of the tank |
| 03:30:50 | HEMI | Hrm...How is collision detection handled now? And would it make much difference to bitmap whatever over the polygons? |
| 03:31:06 | vogon_jeltz | yes, it would make a lot of difference :) |
| 03:31:18 | HEMI | Ah, that makes sense...And since the game is (mostly) 2D... |
| 03:31:22 | vogon_jeltz | since all collision detection is done with bounding slabs... |
| 03:31:40 | vogon_jeltz | you'd end up with really bad object collisionz |
| 03:31:45 | vogon_jeltz | s/z/s/ |
| 03:33:10 | HEMI | I am (obviously) not knowledgable in this type of programming...How would mapping textures over the polygons used for the tanks change the collison detection since we're not changing the bounding slab? You're saying it would work, but it would just LOOK bad? |
| 03:33:36 | vogon_jeltz | oh, you're just talking about texturing |
| 03:33:46 | vogon_jeltz | switches out of idiot mode |
| 03:33:49 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, that could be done |
| 03:33:59 | vogon_jeltz | it'd still require quite a code kludge |
| 03:34:12 | HEMI | Yeah, I thought it would probably be a rather large change... |
| 03:34:23 | HEMI | It was just something I was thinking about the other day. |
| 03:34:27 | vogon_jeltz | and if you didn't authenticate each client's textures, you'd end up with people cheating (fluorescent tanks, decloaking) |
| 03:34:44 | HEMI | Yup, another problem. |
| 03:35:01 | vogon_jeltz | wait for 1.8 or 2.0 ;) |
| 03:35:20 | vogon_jeltz | we'll be ripping out the entire code base for 2.0 |
| 03:35:22 | HEMI | So you play it fine under Linux? |
| 03:35:25 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 03:35:54 | vogon_jeltz | some texturing and framerate problems, but those are due to temporarily borken OpenGL libs |
| 03:36:14 | HEMI | Cool. |
| 03:36:50 | HEMI | I am really sort of unhappy with X...THe more I mess with it the more I get to hate it. haha |
| 03:38:56 | HEMI | Especially after compiling it forty or fifty times and having my DRI fixes NOT work. haha |
| 03:52:10 | captain_proton | returns |
| 03:52:26 | HEMI | Howdy captain_proton. |
| 03:52:34 | captain_proton | hi HEMI |
| 03:57:07 | HEMI | Man I'm bored. I think I'm going to blow away XP and install 2K. |
| 03:57:35 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:01:55 | vogon_jeltz | http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q247/8/04.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=linux&rnk=3&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=WINXP |
| 04:02:09 | vogon_jeltz | "Note that there are other ways to remove the Linux operating system and install Windows than the one mentioned above." |
| 05:11:36 | HEMI | ah...Got voodoo3 drivers. Got my SB Live CD...Got sp2 ready to go...Time to "downgrade" from XP. Be back in a while. :) |
| 05:34:19 | setuid | this is funny |
| 05:34:27 | setuid | Morpheus is kicking people off his server when they kill him |
| 05:34:30 | setuid | how lame is that |
| 05:34:40 | setuid | what an infant |
| 05:34:45 | setuid | oh well, just thought I'd let you know |
| 07:27:45 | captain_proton | wb HEMI |
| 07:33:18 | HEMI | Thanks captain_proton. |
| 07:33:39 | HEMI | I "downgraded" to win2k...I'm going to gry bzflag again tomorrow and see if the problem was with XP. |
| 07:40:43 | BZFlag | it's his server, he can do what he likes. |
| 07:43:43 | HEMI | ok, let's see if she smokes... |
| 07:49:04 | HEMI | Wow, got a black screen, and that was all she wrote. |
| 07:50:10 | HEMI | I guess the box-stock 3dfx drivers aren't going to work? |
| 08:05:37 | HEMI | argh |
| 08:05:44 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:05:47 | HEMI | It won't do anything but black out my screen now. |
| 08:06:39 | HEMI | Does it have to be ran at a certain color depth or something? |
| 08:06:43 | HEMI | 16bit? |
| 08:07:01 | BZFlag | 3dfx is normally 16 bit, yeah. |
| 08:07:10 | HEMI | Well, let's try this again. |
| 08:07:22 | BZFlag | but I don't run windows here, so I can't help much more that that. |
| 08:07:38 | HEMI | Does it have to be ran at a certain color depth or something? |
| 08:10:31 | HEMI | *poof* |
| 08:10:35 | HEMI | I give up. |
| 08:10:49 | HEMI | Must be something with voodoo3s or some quirk in my hardware... |
| 08:10:55 | HEMI | It ran *once* under FreeBSD. |
| 08:11:03 | HEMI | And for about half a second under windows. |
| 08:11:20 | BZFlag | I run on a voodoo3 here with debian linux. |
| 08:11:35 | BZFlag | pci card cause the box has no agp |
| 08:12:15 | HEMI | It just blanks my screen...Then dings when I hit keys like a standard windows error sound... |
| 08:12:50 | BZFlag | hmmm... |
| 08:13:01 | BZFlag | try -nosound ? |
| 08:13:33 | HEMI | I guess I could... |
| 08:13:43 | HEMI | I'll be back after I reset... |
| 08:13:52 | BZFlag | uh, -mute |
| 08:14:17 | HEMI | -mute |
| 08:14:19 | HEMI | ok, trying now... |
| 08:19:08 | HEMI | Nope. :/ |
| 08:19:30 | HEMI | I'm running a bone-stock win2k+sp2, 3dfx win2k voodoo3/3000 drivers, stock win2k sb live drivers. |
| 08:20:20 | HEMI | Oh, yeah, via 4in1s v435 final. |
| 08:22:15 | HEMI | I'm done for the night. THis is annoying. |
| 08:22:43 | vogon_jeltz | plays the Linux Kernel Configuration System adventure game |
| 08:23:43 | captain_proton | you downloaded CML2? |
| 08:24:07 | HEMI | ? |
| 08:24:08 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 08:24:19 | vogon_jeltz | it's l33to |
| 08:24:27 | HEMI | I should have stuck with XP. At least then it'd play for half a second. |
| 08:25:05 | HEMI | I'll probably be reinstalling 98 tomorrow. This is fairly dumb. |
| 08:25:06 | vogon_jeltz | damn... it keeps crashing :/ |
| 09:00:34 | HEMI | It runs. |
| 09:01:03 | HEMI | I downloaded the opengl stuff from microsoft...Why it wasn't installed already I'm not sure...But I can't turn on any texturing or anything. |
| 14:30:20 | Chestal | hi |ks| |
| 14:33:21 | |ks| | morning |
| 20:21:27 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 20:25:46 | BZFlag | tried out cvs lately? I'm getting ready to release e4 |
| 20:25:53 | BZFlag | l8tr headed to work |
| 21:45:53 | tvon | is the decks server off? |