| 00:41:19 | captain_proton | wb |
| 00:41:24 | vogon_jeltz | hi :) |
| 00:41:38 | captain_proton | argh this algos homework sucks |
| 00:42:04 | vogon_jeltz | take a break and play some RTCW :) |
| 00:42:09 | vogon_jeltz | j/k |
| 00:44:05 | captain_proton | actually I could put it off until tomorrow morning... |
| 00:44:10 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 00:44:16 | vogon_jeltz | that's the slacker spirit! |
| 01:13:27 | vogon_jeltz | hi :) |
| 01:13:31 | captain_proton | hi |
| 01:13:36 | vogon_jeltz | hi, gwp |
| 01:13:38 | gwp | hey :) |
| 01:13:48 | | BZFlag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 01:13:48 | gwp | whats BZFlag ? |
| 01:14:50 | captain_proton | helpful, don'tcha think? |
| 01:15:06 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton, Chestal, and I are regular contributors to the project :) |
| 01:15:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot is an IRC bot :) |
| 01:16:53 | gwp | whats udp network connection, in bzflag's options? |
| 01:17:08 | gwp | cool |
| 01:18:35 | vogon_jeltz | UDP network connection toggles on or off UDP in-game chat |
| 01:18:44 | vogon_jeltz | with it on, it's a heck of a lot less laggy |
| 01:25:52 | gwp | pretty cool gam |
| 01:25:53 | gwp | e |
| 01:25:58 | vogon_jeltz | yes, it is :) |
| 01:26:00 | gwp | though i was getting owned left and right |
| 01:26:17 | vogon_jeltz | wanna play against me? :) |
| 01:26:23 | gwp | sure |
| 01:26:29 | gwp | what server? |
| 01:26:33 | vogon_jeltz | host your own |
| 01:26:37 | gwp | k |
| 01:26:53 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you feeling up for some BZ? |
| 01:26:59 | captain_proton | ummmm... |
| 01:27:03 | captain_proton | suure |
| 01:27:08 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:27:08 | captain_proton | i'll start decks if you want |
| 01:27:10 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK |
| 01:27:19 | vogon_jeltz | gwp: n/m, cap's starting a server |
| 01:27:47 | vogon_jeltz | can't wait to get a new vidcard... hopefully one that doesn't suck :P |
| 01:27:55 | gwp | hehe |
| 01:27:59 | gwp | ok |
| 01:28:07 | vogon_jeltz | all of my text is corrupted :( |
| 01:28:15 | vogon_jeltz | cap, the server up yet? |
| 01:28:30 | gwp | whats the server i connect to |
| 01:28:32 | gwp | and whats the port? |
| 01:28:39 | vogon_jeltz | gwp: his server'll be at babylonia.flatirons.org:5155 |
| 01:28:44 | captain_proton | no it won't |
| 01:28:47 | gwp | k |
| 01:28:47 | vogon_jeltz | or not :) |
| 01:28:49 | captain_proton | its running off my box, not babylonia |
| 01:28:50 | gwp | o |
| 01:28:52 | captain_proton | it's in the list |
| 01:28:58 | captain_proton | its in the list |
| 01:29:03 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:29:14 | captain_proton | my short term memory just failed terribly there |
| 01:30:26 | gwp | how do i jump? |
| 01:30:35 | gwp | im in the game |
| 01:31:29 | gwp | i dunno how to type in the game |
| 01:31:29 | captain_proton | tab |
| 01:31:29 | gwp | but no |
| 01:31:33 | gwp | i'm not running a firewall |
| 01:31:37 | captain_proton | 'n' to send a global message |
| 06:00:54 | vogon_jeltz | hi, cap |
| 06:16:38 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 06:16:51 | vogon_jeltz | anything going on? :) |
| 06:17:26 | captain_proton | just went out golfing... |
| 06:17:28 | vogon_jeltz | would like to point out that kernel 2.4.10 made his IO-APIC work... a little |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | calibrating APIC timer ... |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | ..... CPU clock speed is 930.3577 MHz. |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | ..... host bus clock speed is 132.9081 MHz. |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | cpu: 0, clocks: 1329081, slice: 664540 |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | CPU0<T0:1329072,T1:664528,D:4,S:664540,C:1329081> |
| 06:17:48 | captain_proton | IO-APIC? |
| 06:18:08 | vogon_jeltz | it's a more advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller found on modern mobos |
| 06:18:37 | captain_proton | where did you get that listing? |
| 06:18:40 | vogon_jeltz | it provides improved performance for high-interrupt-frequency devices (like Ethernet cards, video cards...) |
| 06:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: from /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:21:02 | captain_proton | wonders why he does not have it |
| 06:21:48 | vogon_jeltz | because J00 4R3 /\/07 1337 3/\/UF 2 #4\/3 |7 |
| 06:22:19 | captain_proton | does have a physical RAM map |
| 06:23:05 | vogon_jeltz | heh... go to processor type and features in make menuconfig, deselect SMP support, and select APIC and IO-APIC support on uniprocessors |
| 06:23:20 | captain_proton | oh - i don't have SMP, but I don't have APIC either |
| 06:23:29 | vogon_jeltz | you do... I'm sure of it |
| 06:23:47 | vogon_jeltz | pipe lspci -vv to a file and DCC it to me |
| 06:25:11 | captain_proton | I mean I don't have it compiled in |
| 06:25:17 | vogon_jeltz | compile it in, then :) |
| 06:26:35 | vogon_jeltz | it should be part of the PCI device at 00:1f.1 |
| 06:26:42 | vogon_jeltz | the APIC, that is |
| 06:27:22 | captain_proton | part of my IDE interface?!?! |
| 06:27:31 | vogon_jeltz | nope, ISA interface :) |
| 06:27:40 | vogon_jeltz | ISA bridge, rather |
| 06:28:05 | captain_proton | thats 00:1f.0 |
| 06:28:15 | vogon_jeltz | oh, I misread, then :P |
| 06:29:26 | captain_proton | recompiles his kernel |
| 06:37:51 | captain_proton | you there? |
| 06:37:58 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 06:38:42 | captain_proton | gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -DPARANOID -c reg_u_add.S |
| 06:38:43 | captain_proton | gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -DPARANOID -c reg_u_div.S |
| 06:38:43 | captain_proton | gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -DPARANOID -c reg_u_mul.S |
| 06:38:43 | captain_proton | gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -DPARANOID -c reg_u_sub.S |
| 06:39:00 | vogon_jeltz | and? |
| 06:39:05 | captain_proton | -DPARANOID |
| 06:39:09 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 06:39:32 | vogon_jeltz | The Computer is your friend! |
| 06:40:20 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I noticed that before... that's why I wasn't surprised :P |
| 06:40:27 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:40:47 | captain_proton | kernel compiles take a long time when you're moving gigabytes of data |
| 06:40:58 | vogon_jeltz | one would think |
| 06:41:51 | captain_proton | lilo takes forever :) |
| 06:41:59 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 06:42:23 | captain_proton | it seems the MBR has the lowest priority in the firmware :) |
| 06:42:33 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 06:43:10 | captain_proton | as it should, too |
| 06:45:38 | captain_proton | ok. kernel is done |
| 06:45:44 | captain_proton | time to reboot |
| 07:15:11 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching Conan, wishing I had a Ge2MX :( |
| 07:15:41 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching Conan, wishing I had a Ge2MX or some other non-3dfx video card :( |
| 08:03:14 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:48:02) |
| 08:52:10 | vogon_jeltz | is away: performing a tight NOP loop |
| 14:06:30 | lupi | hi |
| 14:52:30 | Chestal | ah hi |
| 14:52:46 | Chestal | lupi: hmm, do we have to talk English in here? |
| 14:53:00 | lupi | hm |
| 14:53:22 | Chestal | lupi: I woudl like to test thos rogue=observer idea, I wonder if I can start a second server on a different port (we have some port filterign here) |
| 14:53:23 | lupi | we'd better try to |
| 14:53:34 | Chestal | those English speaking guys seemto be aslepp |
| 14:53:41 | Chestal | hi vogon! |
| 14:54:20 | lupi | perhaps we can talk german as long we have no solution |
| 14:54:48 | Chestal | I'm checking all mesage sthe server receives to see which have to be modified |
| 14:55:09 | Chestal | should observers be allowed to talk? |
| 14:55:23 | lupi | i thought about that, too |
| 14:55:38 | lupi | that would mean that they are visible to the players |
| 14:55:40 | Chestal | MsgAlive must be modified, I think we can simply not transmit it to other players |
| 14:55:50 | Chestal | well, they will be in the score list anyway |
| 14:56:25 | Chestal | I don't think I can eliminate all trails of rogue tanks easily |
| 14:56:27 | lupi | will that cause to be not responding? |
| 14:56:55 | Chestal | I don't think so as long as the realplayers will think that the rogues are not playing (i.e. dead) |
| 14:57:17 | Chestal | hmm, we have a problem |
| 14:57:19 | lupi | ah right |
| 14:57:22 | Chestal | Rogues might be killed |
| 14:57:30 | lupi | oh |
| 14:58:22 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:58:28 | lupi | would it be enough to cut off the gotkilled message or however it is called? |
| 14:59:46 | Chestal | still looking for the collision detection |
| 15:02:52 | Chestal | hmm, koennte klappen, bin mir nicht ganz sicher |
| 15:03:32 | Chestal | MsgGRabFlag muss auch ignoriert werden |
| 15:03:59 | Chestal | wenn jemand ein Obserevr auf ner Flagge parkt, erzeugt er allerdigns sehr viele Nachrichten, weil der dann dauernd fragt |
| 15:04:46 | lupi | wenn wir ueberhaupt mit flaggen spielen |
| 15:05:51 | Chestal | MsgEndShot muss auch weggeschissen werden |
| 15:06:13 | lupi | nett formuliert |
| 15:06:13 | Chestal | MsgScore sollte nicht vorkommen |
| 15:06:20 | Chestal | da fehlte ein 'm' :-) |
| 15:06:35 | Chestal | hmm, MsgTeleport wohlauch ingonieren denk ichmal |
| 15:06:53 | lupi | grad hatte ich noch was |
| 15:06:53 | Chestal | BeginSHot sowieso |
| 15:07:02 | lupi | genau |
| 15:07:05 | lupi | ndas wars |
| 15:08:05 | Chestal | also man koennt es versuchen |
| 15:08:54 | Chestal | einzig unsichere aus meienr Sicht ist das, webn man getroffen wird |
| 15:09:07 | Chestal | und doof ist das mit Flaggen, weil staendig MsgGrab vom client gesendet wird |
| 15:09:19 | Chestal | bei nem schnellen Rechner dann locker 300mal in der Sekunde |
| 15:09:39 | lupi | ui |
| 15:09:57 | Chestal | hmm, ich glaub das duerfte auch jetzt schon x mal gesendet werden |
| 15:10:14 | Chestal | wenn du lag 200ms hast und Framerate von 100, dann wohl z.B> 20 mal |
| 15:10:52 | Chestal | wieviel fps hast du? |
| 15:10:55 | lupi | aeh warum nicht 100? |
| 15:11:05 | lupi | an die 100 |
| 15:11:05 | Chestal | 100 bei lag von 1000ms |
| 15:11:16 | Chestal | bei dir duerften das dann so 10 Nachichtn sein |
| 15:11:30 | Chestal | kannst du mal testen wenn du willst |
| 15:11:35 | lupi | ist dem client lag nicht egal? |
| 15:11:56 | Chestal | der hoet halt auf damit,sobald die ANtwort vom serevr da ist, dass er die Flagge hat |
| 15:12:03 | Chestal | und das dauert halt etwa solang wie das lag |
| 15:12:25 | Chestal | testest du mal? |
| 15:12:31 | lupi | klar |
| 15:12:45 | Chestal | playinc.cxx checkenvironment |
| 15:13:00 | Chestal | sendGrabFlag |
| 15:13:26 | Chestal | da einfach noch controlPanel->addMessage("grabbing"); oder so einfuegen |
| 15:14:25 | lupi | gebongt |
| 15:14:31 | Chestal | probier mal |
| 15:16:27 | Chestal | hi gwp |
| 15:17:47 | Chestal | hmm, I'm wondering, somethign strange about /lagstats |
| 15:18:29 | lupi | ich trottel hab den flasche client genommen |
| 15:18:41 | lupi | sind 7 bei 70 fps |
| 15:18:57 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 15:19:12 | Chestal | lupi: ich ueberleg, ob man das nciht auch mal verbessernsollte,naja |
| 15:19:34 | Chestal | lupi; mir ist gerade was an den lagstats aufgefallen. Achte mal auf die zahl in () |
| 15:34:55 | lupi | wir koennten ja uch observer clients zur verfuegung stellen |
| 15:35:40 | Chestal | ich bastle gerade mal am server |
| 15:35:57 | lupi | dann bastel ich mal am client |
| 15:36:58 | Chestal | was denn? |
| 15:38:34 | lupi | high speed, jumping, nicht zu treffen, nicht schiessen, keine flaggen anfordern |
| 15:39:35 | Chestal | hmm, ok.CLou waere natuerlich,m wenn das auch mit Standard-CLients ginge, also ohne deien Verbesserungen dann natuerlich |
| 15:40:15 | lupi | muesste ja gehen. die senden halt jede menge zeug |
| 15:40:28 | lupi | ach |
| 15:40:35 | lupi | macht meiner ja auch noch |
| 15:41:17 | Chestal | hmm, erster Verswuch schalegt fehl |
| 15:41:24 | Chestal | communicatio error sobald ich mit rogue joine |
| 15:48:45 | Chestal | lupi: ? |
| 15:48:49 | lupi | ja |
| 15:49:17 | Chestal | lupi: ducati:5156 mal testen bitte |
| 15:49:31 | lupi | jau |
| 15:54:42 | Chestal | komm bei Gelegnheit nochmal rein |
| 15:58:18 | captain_proton | yo |
| 16:00:30 | lupi | da bin ich wieder |
| 16:03:33 | captain_proton | ? |
| 16:03:56 | lupi | nohhi captain proton |
| 16:04:57 | captain_proton | is confused |
| 16:08:18 | Chestal | hi captain |
| 16:08:57 | captain_proton | yo chestal |
| 16:09:56 | Chestal | does Enterprise Episode 2 air today? |
| 16:10:14 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 16:12:36 | captain_proton | yep |
| 16:12:42 | lupi | Chestal: perhaps we could use the player name instead of the team to reach 5 players / match |
| 16:13:09 | Chestal | thought about this also |
| 16:13:46 | Chestal | of course this way, we cannot limit the number of players as easily and more than 5 combatants might join (or we woudl have to modify the server to avoid this) |
| 16:14:19 | Chestal | lupi: I am just thinkign about the best time for a tournament. I think it's mostly Europeans and north america |
| 16:14:41 | Chestal | they're 6-9 hours late, right? |
| 16:15:09 | lupi | somthing like that |
| 16:15:42 | Chestal | about the callsigns: What should we use? Names in () ? |
| 16:15:55 | Chestal | or some other special character? |
| 16:16:31 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you there? |
| 16:16:37 | lupi | my ideas: 1 name like "observer" for all observers (dumb for messages) |
| 16:16:58 | lupi | or some stupid character sequence + usual name |
| 16:20:47 | Chestal | hmm, at 20:00 at the US west coast it would be 11:00 |
| 16:21:15 | lupi | you could set a player limit like 1 1 1 1 1 and allow players with a matching name to join even when the limit is reached |
| 16:21:20 | Chestal | capn wants to have it this weekend |
| 16:23:38 | lupi | this weekend might be a bit too early to promote and organize |
| 16:24:25 | Chestal | I believe so, too |
| 16:24:55 | Chestal | capn seems to be eager to be disgraced :-) |
| 16:25:19 | Chestal | lupi: test on 5156 once more? |
| 16:25:25 | lupi | ok |
| 16:26:06 | lupi | uhm i can't get in |
| 16:26:33 | Chestal | retry |
| 16:26:37 | lupi | ok |
| 16:30:30 | Chestal | bug fixed |
| 16:35:26 | Chestal | lupi:hmm, world->maxPlayers |
| 16:37:25 | lupi | client? |
| 16:37:56 | Chestal | yep, but I think it can be solved |
| 16:39:12 | Chestal | there's a hard limit of 40 players in the server |
| 16:39:18 | lupi | can you set maxplayers + restrict teams+rogues? |
| 16:45:02 | Chestal | I think curently, always 40 is sent to the client |
| 16:46:20 | Chestal | nope, I'm mistaken |
| 16:47:04 | Chestal | only clesn solution would be to add a special observer team |
| 16:49:59 | lupi | wouldn't that require a client change? |
| 16:50:47 | Chestal | I would guess so |
| 16:52:58 | Chestal | I will set maxPlayers to 40, so 40-(#real playrs)observers will be allowed |
| 16:53:06 | Chestal | shall we restrict Observers to be rogues? |
| 16:53:26 | Chestal | testing please |
| 16:54:08 | Chestal | hmm, I made a conceptual error |
| 17:04:05 | Chestal | should work now |
| 17:05:50 | lupi | so you know what happens to the lagstats when an observer gets killed? |
| 17:12:56 | Chestal | hmm, no |
| 17:13:06 | Chestal | shouldn't happen anything? |
| 17:19:05 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 17:28:54 | Chestal | wth is a JAFOPlayer? |
| 17:30:41 | lupi | hey tim |
| 17:31:39 | Chestal | coudl JAFO be 'just another fucking observer' ? |
| 17:31:57 | Chestal | there are three types of players: TankPlayer, JAFOPlayer and ComputerPlayer |
| 17:33:16 | Chestal | it;s facat, it's an obserevr type, hmm |
| 18:04:00 | firegod | libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted |
| 18:04:00 | firegod | libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
| 18:04:10 | firegod | yet, glxgears gets 280fps |
| 18:04:19 | firegod | anyone know why? |
| 18:17:40 | BZFlag | glxgears is setuid or something? |
| 18:18:10 | BZFlag | Section "DRI" |
| 18:18:10 | BZFlag | Mode 0666 |
| 18:18:10 | BZFlag | EndSection |
| 18:18:12 | BZFlag | ? |
| 18:18:38 | firegod | um |
| 18:19:02 | Chestal | BZFlag: do you know what's up with PlayerType JAFOPlayer? looks like an observer player!? |
| 18:27:11 | Chestal | BZFlag: btw., the new server version has random height pyramids which is fine. But the formula for calculating the buildings' heights also has changed. Was this on purpose? |
| 18:27:57 | firegod | bzflag needs to be suid root for drm? |
| 18:28:55 | Chestal | don't know, not using drm |
| 18:29:13 | BZFlag | firegod: bzflag needs drm permissions. setuid would work but would be insecure. |
| 18:29:37 | BZFlag | adding a DRI section to X is the preferred method. |
| 18:29:54 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes, there is some groundwork for observers. |
| 18:30:39 | BZFlag | Chestal: I seem to recall changing the building height code, yes. does it look wrong of just different? |
| 18:31:13 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, you changed it to use h*=... instead of h=..., but it also yields different results so |
| 18:31:49 | Chestal | or is it vice veras, lemme check |
| 18:31:58 | firegod | where does that section go? |
| 18:32:00 | firegod | anywhere? |
| 18:32:46 | Chestal | It's now: h = BoxHeight * 2.0f * (float)bzfrand() + 0.5f; |
| 18:33:02 | Chestal | it was: h=BoxHeight; h *= 2.0f * (float)bzfrand() + 0.5f; |
| 18:33:31 | Chestal | I get very flat buildings now, you can easily shoot over them |
| 18:37:37 | captain_proton | hi everyone |
| 18:37:39 | ILWM | hi |
| 18:37:43 | ILWM | bzflag owns |
| 18:37:43 | captain_proton | wow - lots of people |
| 18:37:44 | BZFlag | ahh... that should nbe: |
| 18:37:59 | BZFlag | h = BoxHeight * ( 2.0f * (float)bzfrand() + 0.5f ); right? |
| 18:38:18 | ILWM | is there a general rule for how many connections to allow for each type of connectrion for a server? |
| 18:38:19 | ILWM | :() |
| 18:38:39 | firegod | hrm |
| 18:38:46 | BZFlag | ILWM: there is a compiled in limit of 40 players at present IIRC |
| 18:38:49 | firegod | BZFlag.. i added that Section, but still get failure to open DRM |
| 18:38:54 | Chestal | bzflag: yep, to get the old behaviour |
| 18:39:00 | ILWM | BZFlag: im talking about how many you syhould have so you dont lag heh |
| 18:39:09 | Chestal | bzflag: althougfh, flat pyramids look kind of fancy :-) |
| 18:39:22 | BZFlag | heh |
| 18:39:32 | ILWM | oh, heh, i have xf4 and a mach 64 ati card, and bzflag goes kinda slow |
| 18:39:55 | firegod | i'd still love to see a 2player bzflag, one for turret, one to drive/main gun |
| 18:40:14 | ILWM | that would be cool heh |
| 18:40:36 | firegod | but i suppose we need more players for that (: |
| 18:40:41 | Chestal | ilwm: do you get low frame rates in bzflag or do you run a server and get choppy connections / big lag? |
| 18:40:45 | ILWM | and i tried to install bzflag on two windows machines but it doesn't work |
| 18:40:53 | ILWM | Chestal: well, the xf4 thing was client |
| 18:40:55 | firegod | actually, that could be a flag i suppose |
| 18:41:06 | firegod | bind two tanks together, flag carrier drives |
| 18:41:07 | Chestal | I think a movable turret would take most fun from the game |
| 18:41:20 | firegod | i suppose yer right. |
| 18:41:32 | firegod | but i'm not having .great. fun at 15fps either |
| 18:41:39 | ILWM | neither am i |
| 18:41:43 | ILWM | i can play movies just fine though |
| 18:42:15 | Chestal | ilwm: hmm, do you have hardware accelerated opengl? |
| 18:42:32 | Chestal | it really should be faster if you do, bzflag doesn't need that good a gfx card |
| 18:42:32 | ILWM | Chestal: how do i know? glxgears shows 30fps or so |
| 18:42:52 | Chestal | ILWM: 30fps looks like no acceleration to me. You are using Xfree? |
| 18:42:52 | ILWM | actually |
| 18:43:03 | ILWM | it needs a good card, but a not so good processor |
| 18:43:17 | captain_proton | what card do you have? |
| 18:43:41 | ILWM | ati rage xl |
| 18:43:55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:43:58 | ILWM | i can play movies |
| 18:44:09 | captain_proton | that doesn't have anything to do with your fps in bzflag |
| 18:44:17 | ILWM | heh |
| 18:44:21 | ILWM | movies play smoothly |
| 18:44:28 | ILWM | wanna see my server startup log? |
| 18:44:49 | captain_proton | fps = hardware 3d acceleration |
| 18:45:00 | captain_proton | movies = 2d stuff |
| 18:45:11 | ILWM | ohhhhhhh |
| 18:45:12 | ILWM | okkkkk |
| 18:46:26 | captain_proton | so BZFlag, a release coming anytime soon? |
| 18:46:41 | ILWM | how many fps should glxgears be at? |
| 18:47:16 | captain_proton | that depends on your card/configuration |
| 18:47:31 | captain_proton | i'm not too familiar with the ati cards, so I couldn't tell you |
| 18:47:38 | ILWM | how fast does your glxgears go? |
| 18:48:29 | firegod | i'm getting ~280 with glxgears on my tibook/ati rage mobility/drm-dri-agpgart-linux-2.4.10 |
| 18:48:31 | captain_proton | with no delay, 850 fps :) |
| 18:48:43 | firegod | sheesh |
| 18:48:45 | ILWM | :( |
| 18:48:46 | firegod | you shouldnt have any problems |
| 18:48:55 | captain_proton | but then again, i'm on a gf3, so.... |
| 18:49:02 | firegod | im getting jerks every 3 sec or so |
| 18:49:08 | firegod | otherwise looks great |
| 18:49:12 | firegod | not sure what the hickups are |
| 18:49:37 | BZFlag | Chestal: patched in CVS. |
| 18:50:07 | Chestal | BZFlag: thanks! |
| 18:50:33 | firegod | i'm also seeing 100% cpu usage. |
| 18:51:01 | Chestal | btw, I submitted to bu gpatches (lagdrop and nemesis) yesterday, and a new tank placement; they all need to get in the next release :-) |
| 18:51:40 | captain_proton | so BZFlag, a release coming anytime soon? |
| 18:52:30 | firegod | whats the optimal screen setup? window faster than fullscreen? all options on? I shouldnt be seeing 100% cpu if I'm using drm/agp |
| 18:53:00 | Chestal | firegod: 100% cpu is normal because it's not fps limited |
| 18:53:14 | firegod | i'm seeing ~26fps |
| 18:53:22 | firegod | but with hickups |
| 18:53:25 | Chestal | do you use textures? |
| 18:53:32 | firegod | default was all on |
| 18:53:51 | firegod | im not sure the order to turn them off (less noticable, best performance) |
| 18:54:01 | Chestal | with 26fps and all on you have hardware acceleration (or a verrrryy fast machine) |
| 18:54:15 | firegod | i have hardware accel at this point |
| 18:54:19 | firegod | and it is a g4-500 |
| 18:54:19 | Chestal | well, I am playing at 800x600x8bit with all off anyway |
| 18:54:27 | Chestal | hmm, XFree 3 or 4? |
| 18:54:39 | Chestal | I get about 90fps with my G400 at home |
| 18:54:41 | firegod | 640x480x16, xf 4 |
| 18:54:50 | Chestal | (at 1152xz864) |
| 18:54:52 | Chestal | that's too slow |
| 18:55:00 | firegod | yeah, hence my windowing |
| 18:55:26 | firegod | is there a way to change focus from bzflag without quiting? |
| 18:55:31 | firegod | i'd love to test, and chat. |
| 18:55:49 | Chestal | you can pause IIRC |
| 18:56:16 | Chestal | you can try switchiing smoothing off |
| 18:56:29 | Chestal | I think I remember that it cost a lot of performance on Linux (not so on windows) |
| 18:56:33 | ILWM | firegod: try bzflag -window |
| 18:56:43 | firegod | i am |
| 18:57:03 | ILWM | i wish i could get more fps |
| 18:57:40 | Chestal | ilwm: how much do you get with which settings? |
| 18:57:51 | ILWM | i get 5-15 with everything off |
| 18:58:02 | Chestal | ilwm: at waht resolution? |
| 18:58:07 | firegod | i'm still hickuping |
| 18:58:11 | ILWM | 800x600x16 |
| 18:58:12 | firegod | i would think it was lag |
| 18:58:34 | Chestal | fire: did your framerate improve without smoothing? |
| 18:58:36 | ILWM | can an eggdrop join more than one channel at once? |
| 18:58:40 | ILWM | err |
| 18:58:43 | ILWM | i mean, heh, server |
| 19:01:15 | lupi | Chestal: let's give the observer server a run |
| 19:03:26 | firegod | hmm, lockup. |
| 19:03:51 | firegod | Chestal.. i joined an empty game, no hickups with high quality, no textures, everything else except shadows off. |
| 19:04:03 | ILWM | join my server |
| 19:04:06 | ILWM | heh |
| 19:04:15 | captain_proton | BZFlag is ignoring me |
| 19:04:33 | firegod | ILWM.. anyone playing? |
| 19:04:41 | ILWM | firegod: me? ;0 |
| 19:05:13 | firegod | heh |
| 19:05:46 | Chestal | lupi: I will implement a sperate maximum players limit first |
| 19:06:06 | Chestal | firegod: but try and switch smoothing off to see if your fps improve |
| 19:13:12 | Chestal | grmpf, damn X |
| 19:13:50 | captain_proton | smites X |
| 19:14:15 | Chestal | thanks |
| 19:14:20 | captain_proton | no prob |
| 19:14:32 | ILWM | there are three others on my server |
| 19:14:33 | ILWM | so its total 3 i mean |
| 19:14:42 | BZFlag | is working, gimme a break. |
| 19:15:01 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:15:23 | BZFlag | we should patch it so that pausing allows switching windows. |
| 19:15:33 | captain_proton | yes yes yes |
| 19:15:49 | BZFlag | also it should stop redrawing the blank display as fast as it can so some cpu is available. |
| 19:16:11 | Chestal | pausin gallows my mouse to leave the window, actually |
| 19:16:13 | ILWM | how accurate is tank hitting code? |
| 19:16:17 | BZFlag | there is some pause mouse release code in there, but it needs work. |
| 19:16:35 | captain_proton | pulls out a knife & starts practicing |
| 19:16:42 | BZFlag | ILWM: fairly, but it's done on the client. |
| 19:16:53 | BZFlag | knife? |
| 19:16:55 | ILWM | nand the client says if it got hit? |
| 19:17:01 | ILWM | heh taht'as asking for hackin' |
| 19:17:02 | BZFlag | right. |
| 19:17:06 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 19:17:18 | captain_proton | a practice knife... |
| 19:17:22 | BZFlag | but it makes for small fast server code. that was the original goal. |
| 19:17:28 | captain_proton | (wooden fighting blade) |
| 19:17:33 | ILWM | have you ever played with a non virgin client? |
| 19:17:52 | captain_proton | i do every time |
| 19:17:58 | firegod | some dork is camping with seeking missles, takes the fun outa the game |
| 19:18:15 | firegod | getting good performance without textures and smoothng |
| 19:18:16 | captain_proton | tim occasionally doesn't send out the MsgKill package :) |
| 19:18:18 | firegod | everything else on. |
| 19:18:43 | BZFlag | captain_proton: heh. but I do label mysenf hacking or testing or something. |
| 19:19:22 | ILWM | are you tim? |
| 19:19:27 | captain_proton | you didn't when vogon_jeltz and I first got custom CTF working :) |
| 19:19:34 | captain_proton | but then again we were the only ones there... |
| 19:22:07 | Chestal | another bzfs crash :-( |
| 19:22:37 | ILWM | bzfs? |
| 19:22:38 | firegod | btw: i'm playing bz as root, the Section "DRI" thing didnt work |
| 19:22:43 | ILWM | i have my bzfs in a while true loop |
| 19:23:20 | captain_proton | DRI sucks...get an nvidia card :) |
| 19:23:33 | ILWM | bzfs crashes quite often it seems |
| 19:24:39 | ILWM | how does one avoid gm? |
| 19:24:56 | captain_proton | move perpendicular to the path of the missile |
| 19:25:14 | ILWM | you told me this before, didn't you? :() |
| 19:25:30 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 19:26:22 | ILWM | there's this dude that i gotta kill heh |
| 19:27:06 | Chestal | ilwm: are you running a public server? |
| 19:27:08 | ILWM | yes |
| 19:27:15 | BZFlag | we need to make GM less effective. |
| 19:27:22 | captain_proton | yes |
| 19:27:23 | Chestal | GM is ok withotu jumping |
| 19:27:28 | BZFlag | slow it down and increase the reload speed? |
| 19:27:32 | Chestal | on my server GM isn't the best flag |
| 19:27:47 | BZFlag | Chestal: no? why not? |
| 19:27:48 | Chestal | narrow or rapid fire is much more powerful there |
| 19:28:12 | captain_proton | sounds like some good ideas BZFlag |
| 19:28:14 | Chestal | BZFlag: well, a good player can avoid the missiles, it's only good agaianst newbies or for suprise attacks |
| 19:28:26 | Chestal | bzflag: it is too pwoerful on jumping servers, though |
| 19:28:39 | lupi | gm isn't that bad with only 2 shots |
| 19:28:50 | BZFlag | Chestal: hmm... why do you think jumping makes it more powerful? just cause you can camp? |
| 19:29:06 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes, because of that and because you can hit people while in the air |
| 19:29:09 | captain_proton | you can camp, and you can also jump around and shoot (which I like doing) |
| 19:29:40 | lupi | you can drive around it with a small turn just before the gm reaces you |
| 19:29:51 | Chestal | often enough I drop GM because I need the rico |
| 19:29:52 | ILWM | you need stacked flags!!!! |
| 19:30:08 | Chestal | in a one on one against a good player without jumping and with rico youi are lost with gm |
| 19:30:51 | lupi | even steamroller does a good job on ducati |
| 19:30:55 | Chestal | lupi: one last test on 5156? |
| 19:31:05 | lupi | sure |
| 19:31:09 | firegod | captain_proton.. DRI is all i have, you can not upgrade a laptop |
| 19:31:39 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 19:31:44 | firegod | GM should take two shots, not one. |
| 19:32:02 | firegod | i dont like jump. |
| 19:32:24 | firegod | a tank jumping? crazy talk |
| 19:32:36 | BZFlag | I like GM without jump even against rico |
| 19:32:50 | BZFlag | it's very cool to shoot around buildings with it. |
| 19:33:11 | Chestal | BZFlag: yep, but it takes skill and a good player can still avoid it |
| 19:33:31 | Chestal | bzflag: so, GM on my server isn't too powerful, it's ok |
| 19:33:37 | BZFlag | firegod: ok.. its a thermal charge released under the tank that throws it in the air. better? |
| 19:34:42 | firegod | ha |
| 19:34:48 | captain_proton | anybody else watching the star trek marathon? |
| 19:35:16 | firegod | if i were to put a thermal charge under the tank, i would also add jets to allow maneuvering while airborn |
| 19:35:20 | firegod | (: |
| 19:35:25 | Chestal | according to the /flagstats, shield is by far the best flag. After that it's laser, gm, tiny and narrow (in no particular order) |
| 19:35:36 | captain_proton | flagstats?? |
| 19:35:43 | ILWM | how leniant is laser? |
| 19:35:46 | ILWM | how does it know ? :P |
| 19:35:46 | Chestal | a prototypical feature I had in my server |
| 19:35:58 | firegod | how about anti-shot, which gives you a shield instead of firing amissle? |
| 19:36:01 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 19:36:03 | firegod | same reload times |
| 19:36:34 | ILWM | super bullet is cool |
| 19:36:42 | firegod | i like superbullet : |
| 19:36:55 | Chestal | sb is nice, especialy against those nasty peopel using oo or pz |
| 19:37:02 | Chestal | pz can really get annoying |
| 19:37:13 | ILWM | what good is phantom zone? |
| 19:37:17 | ILWM | its totally pointless |
| 19:37:31 | lupi | actually pz is one of the most powerful flags |
| 19:37:52 | ILWM | phatom zone sucks |
| 19:38:44 | captain_proton | i've only seen one place where pz is powerful |
| 19:38:51 | Chestal | pz is very powerful when you find a good teleporter |
| 19:39:01 | ILWM | phantom zone sucks |
| 19:39:03 | Chestal | i.e. a teleporter right in front of a wall |
| 19:39:09 | ILWM | what good is it? heh |
| 19:39:12 | ILWM | you cant shoot |
| 19:39:17 | captain_proton | have you ever seen 'danworld'? |
| 19:39:23 | Chestal | one can hide in the building withyou back being safe and do sneaky attacks |
| 19:39:46 | Chestal | I don't liek pz myself, though |
| 19:39:47 | ILWM | you need like a broken winshield bad flag |
| 19:40:13 | lupi | you can wait in front of a teleporter and everytime a tank comes along you stick your barrel out and kill it |
| 19:40:32 | firegod | boring |
| 19:40:37 | Chestal | lupi: another 'last' test? |
| 19:40:43 | lupi | ok |
| 19:40:43 | firegod | how about a fake color flag? |
| 19:40:53 | firegod | turns you the color of the best team? |
| 19:40:53 | ILWM | thats a good one |
| 19:41:24 | ILWM | just random colors everywhger |
| 19:41:25 | ILWM | e |
| 19:41:31 | firegod | bad flag |
| 19:41:31 | captain_proton | sounds great |
| 19:41:45 | captain_proton | that depends - for a rogue, its a good flag :) |
| 19:41:47 | ILWM | the new bzflag is either going to rock or suck |
| 19:41:48 | firegod | or a shotgun flag, 3 shots slightly divergent instead of 3 inline |
| 19:41:57 | ILWM | ohhhhhhhhhhh, great one |
| 19:42:01 | captain_proton | the next bzflag version is going to rock :) |
| 19:42:13 | ILWM | i mean if there are too many features :P |
| 19:42:45 | captain_proton | oh - the big differences coming up (if BZFlag puts them in) will be custom CTF worlds (including elevated bases) and flags-on-buildings |
| 19:43:13 | firegod | i just want a nonflat ground |
| 19:43:18 | firegod | platforms are optional (: |
| 19:43:30 | firegod | and bullets that hug the ground |
| 19:43:34 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:43:50 | firegod | or lobbing bombs |
| 19:44:04 | ILWM | i can set up a script so every hour it does a cvs checkout of the newest source code, then compiles it, then runs the server |
| 19:44:12 | captain_proton | mortars would be cool but it would make the game pretty complicated |
| 19:44:14 | Chestal | ILWM: :-) |
| 19:44:24 | lupi | or custom sound devices like /dev/sound/dsp |
| 19:44:33 | Chestal | but we really need those bugs fixed. My top priority: server crashes and flag mismacthes |
| 19:44:37 | ILWM | do you have a cvs repo of the code? |
| 19:44:46 | Chestal | lupi: auf zu deinem Arbeitsplatz! |
| 19:44:48 | captain_proton | lupi: ln -s /dev/dsp /dev/sound/dsp |
| 19:44:55 | lupi | na gut |
| 19:45:07 | Chestal | proton; that wom't help if you have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| 19:45:12 | ILWM | and use gzip'd datagrams |
| 19:45:49 | captain_proton | Chestal: if you're on devfs, you don't have /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 |
| 19:45:50 | ILWM | is there a cvs reposity of the code? |
| 19:46:08 | captain_proton | yes - at sf |
| 19:46:27 | ILWM | how updated is it? |
| 19:46:42 | ILWM | who updates it? can i trust them? |
| 19:46:43 | captain_proton | it doesn't (yet) have all the patches that have been submitted |
| 19:46:49 | ILWM | i want the latest |
| 19:46:59 | ILWM | as long as it compiles |
| 19:47:02 | captain_proton | the CVS repository is completely official - BZFlag keeps it clean |
| 19:47:04 | ILWM | and taht isnt a qreqiutiee rment |
| 19:47:36 | ILWM | i hate it when people have laser on my server |
| 19:47:40 | ILWM | and it isn't me heh |
| 19:48:57 | Chestal | proton: ok, but I have those two dsps and bzflag can use only the first |
| 19:50:24 | ILWM | like, heh, there isnt a cvs place where there is the absolute greatest and latest? even if its unoffical? jheh |
| 19:58:09 | firegod | and I would like some indication of ping time to a server, or 'quality' of connection |
| 20:00:41 | Chestal | firegod: well, you get one when playing with /lagstats |
| 20:03:00 | ILWM | why do the flags when i set 250 of them fall slowly? |
| 20:03:44 | ILWM | LMFAO |
| 20:03:45 | ILWM | join my server |
| 20:03:49 | ILWM | psychonut.dyndns.org |
| 20:03:49 | ILWM | heh |
| 20:05:19 | ILWM | they said there weren't enough flags... |
| 20:05:30 | Chestal | :-) |
| 20:05:37 | ILWM | come on, join and see :D |
| 20:22:14 | ILWM | why is there a server in the client? heh |
| 20:28:20 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 20:28:26 | Chestal | you can start the serevr from within the client |
| 20:28:42 | Chestal | it's for playing alone against robots for example |
| 20:28:43 | ILWM | yeayh, why? :P |
| 20:30:18 | firegod | it always tells me 'failed' |
| 20:30:34 | ILWM | heh... |
| 20:31:58 | ILWM | does the server limit how many flags their are possible? i guess i need torecompile then |
| 20:32:55 | firegod | i still think one shot kills suck.. that should be a power up |
| 20:33:04 | firegod | or an option |
| 20:35:00 | ILWM | join psychonut.dyndns.org port 6666 |
| 20:41:52 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 11:49:38) |
| 20:42:27 | captain_proton | hey sig |
| 20:42:43 | vogon_jeltz | hi, cap |
| 20:43:11 | captain_proton | hows life? |
| 20:43:28 | ILWM | captain_proton: hey try the above server... :P |
| 20:45:34 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK |
| 20:45:49 | vogon_jeltz | firegod: it's called "Shield" |
| 20:45:56 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:50:19 | Chestal | wel, enough for today, I'll betetr go to bed soon. Cu! |
| 20:50:29 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: nn |
| 20:54:06 | ILWM | OH I KNOW WHAT YOU NEED |
| 20:54:09 | ILWM | DYNAMIC SERVER CONFIGURATION |
| 20:54:10 | ILWM | heh |
| 20:54:13 | ILWM | have a conf file and hup to reread |
| 20:55:01 | captain_proton | oooh year |
| 20:55:04 | captain_proton | yeah even |
| 22:01:34 | ILWM | how do i kill somebody from the server? |
| 22:02:36 | vogon_jeltz | you type /kick <password> <playername> |
| 22:04:13 | ILWM | ok |
| 22:35:54 | ILWM | it says unknown command |
| 22:35:54 | ILWM | nm |
| 22:35:54 | ILWM | i was doing /kill and not /kick :P |
| 23:03:24 | firegod | vogon_jeltz.. shield only works for one shot, i dont really feel like I have a shield |
| 23:04:48 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 23:05:02 | vogon_jeltz | it's still one more shot than you can take otherwise |
| 23:05:57 | firegod | vogon_jeltz.. i always feel like it's only one shot |
| 23:06:05 | firegod | never even realize when my shield gets hit |
| 23:06:20 | firegod | it's usually 2 shots, and if the first one does, the second did |
| 23:06:26 | vogon_jeltz | the "Got hit by shot" thing pops up and you hear the flag leave |
| 23:06:50 | vogon_jeltz | how is that not sufficient warning? :) |
| 23:07:00 | firegod | a red screen flare would be nice |
| 23:07:23 | firegod | *pop* and if i even see the text. |
| 23:07:29 | vogon_jeltz | OK... we might add that for 1.8 |
| 23:07:58 | firegod | a zapping sound would go well |
| 23:08:30 | firegod | just a quick red flare, like you hit an electric fence... or something |
| 23:08:39 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 23:09:32 | firegod | i get tons of ideas, ignore what you will (: |
| 23:10:00 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 23:46:35 | captain_proton | has a friend who is giving up his vegetarian streak soon :) |
| 23:47:13 | captain_proton | so vogon_jeltz, done any damage with your compatability-breaking boot? |
| 23:47:38 | vogon_jeltz | huh? |
| 23:47:41 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:47:43 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 23:47:46 | captain_proton | remember taking it out? |
| 23:47:55 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, that one |
| 23:48:05 | vogon_jeltz | it gave me a blister, so I took it off |
| 23:48:20 | captain_proton | maybe i should try it - my feet are sure to be tougher than yours |
| 23:48:45 | captain_proton | nice topic |
| 23:49:14 | captain_proton | argh |
| 23:50:12 | captain_proton | there - most excellent |
| 23:52:11 | captain_proton | heh - this list could get very long |
| 23:53:07 | captain_proton | i have a friend who is going to try something new tonight: drunken counterstrike |
| 23:53:12 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 23:53:15 | vogon_jeltz | that's gonna suck |
| 23:53:41 | captain_proton | i have another friend who put a porn pic on one of the walls, and picked off people when they stopped to look :) |
| 23:54:00 | vogon_jeltz | lol... sweet |
| 23:54:26 | captain_proton | i've actually been considering joining their games, even though i've never played it before\ |
| 23:54:36 | vogon_jeltz | have fun |
| 23:54:48 | captain_proton | although i think tonight i'm gonna go golfing again |
| 23:55:24 | captain_proton | when you go off to college, you *must* try it |
| 23:57:05 | captain_proton | throws a tape in to record this weeks enterprise |
| 23:58:34 | captain_proton | hides his trainer knife and takes vogon_jeltz to the mat |
| 23:58:49 | vogon_jeltz | lol |
| 23:59:27 | captain_proton | heh - i have another friend who mutilated his dorm room wall practicing knife throwing |
| 23:59:40 | vogon_jeltz | lmao |