| 00:42:05 | vogon_jeltz | hey, proton |
| 00:42:09 | vogon_jeltz | check out the patch yet? |
| 00:42:17 | vogon_jeltz | nice topic, btw |
| 00:43:03 | vogon_jeltz | there, the spelling's fixed |
| 00:44:34 | vogon_jeltz | yo, captain_proton, you there? |
| 00:45:00 | | captain_proton is nothing but a culturally-unsound assload of craven dog balls. |
| 00:45:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: insult captain_proton |
| 00:45:17 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 00:45:17 | vogon_jeltz | well said, ibot |
| 00:45:28 | captain_proton | hi sig |
| 00:45:32 | vogon_jeltz | hey proton |
| 00:45:41 | vogon_jeltz | did you look at the rotated base patch yet? |
| 00:45:45 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:45:47 | captain_proton | get my response |
| 00:45:49 | captain_proton | ? |
| 00:45:52 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 00:45:56 | vogon_jeltz | wait, lemme check |
| 00:46:21 | vogon_jeltz | no, I don't believe I did |
| 00:46:23 | captain_proton | basically, i said that _I_ was doing it (since I've already got a culturally-unsound assload of code for a new SceneNode for bases |
| 00:46:42 | vogon_jeltz | geez; all I need fixed is a rendering error and my patch will be done |
| 00:46:59 | captain_proton | well, the problem is you'll still have rendering errors |
| 00:47:08 | captain_proton | know about the box showing through the floor? |
| 00:47:09 | vogon_jeltz | y? |
| 00:47:17 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I know |
| 00:47:21 | captain_proton | the same is true with bases! |
| 00:47:29 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 00:47:41 | vogon_jeltz | erm, bases are just GL_QUADS |
| 00:47:43 | captain_proton | boxes will show through them if they're in the background renderer |
| 00:47:59 | vogon_jeltz | hrm... OK... you do the patchin then |
| 00:48:14 | vogon_jeltz | I'll fix the flag-capture algorithm, tho |
| 00:48:15 | captain_proton | besides, if we move it in the scenerenderer now, we can add logos easily |
| 00:48:21 | captain_proton | didn't you already? |
| 00:48:21 | vogon_jeltz | good point |
| 00:48:25 | vogon_jeltz | no, not yet |
| 00:48:33 | vogon_jeltz | it only works off of x and y |
| 00:48:33 | captain_proton | i set the title for #paranoiamud :) |
| 00:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | thbx |
| 00:48:38 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 00:48:44 | captain_proton | its a quote from mundie's speach at OSC |
| 00:49:06 | vogon_jeltz | mm-kay |
| 00:49:07 | vogon_jeltz | whatever |
| 00:49:21 | captain_proton | i'm not sure i understand it :) |
| 00:49:37 | captain_proton | brb, phone |
| 00:49:57 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 00:50:56 | vogon_jeltz | carp, airborne took op away and now I can't get to it |
| 00:51:59 | vogon_jeltz | and I don't like the non-Paranoia topic... |
| 00:52:21 | vogon_jeltz | even tho it's a -t channel, I'd like to know if I can change it |
| 00:55:23 | captain_proton | airborne is asleep!!! |
| 00:55:30 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 00:55:33 | vogon_jeltz | now |
| 00:55:46 | captain_proton | so how did he take op away??? |
| 00:55:56 | vogon_jeltz | he took op... never mind |
| 00:56:02 | vogon_jeltz | I *need* op |
| 00:56:16 | captain_proton | didn't you set up the channel? |
| 00:56:25 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 00:56:30 | captain_proton | no??? who did? |
| 00:56:36 | vogon_jeltz | airborne, I guess |
| 00:56:48 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: search google for ibot |
| 00:56:53 | | vogon_jeltz: Google says ibot is http://www.orangemicro.com/ibot.html or http://www.orangemicro.com/ibotwinfaqs.html or http://www.dynopower.freeserve.co.uk/homepages/newchair.htm |
| 00:57:36 | vogon_jeltz | *you're wrong, ibot* |
| 00:57:51 | captain_proton | ooh - what's the new HUD mode like? |
| 00:58:02 | vogon_jeltz | Tim's still working on it |
| 00:58:08 | vogon_jeltz | don't know yet |
| 00:58:09 | captain_proton | do you know anything about it? |
| 00:58:10 | captain_proton | oh |
| 00:58:17 | vogon_jeltz | I know that it has no message box... |
| 00:58:29 | captain_proton | what does it have?? |
| 00:58:42 | vogon_jeltz | just floating HUD messages |
| 00:58:47 | vogon_jeltz | (I think) |
| 00:58:58 | captain_proton | ick |
| 00:59:07 | captain_proton | i can't read those! |
| 00:59:37 | vogon_jeltz | well, the HUD mode's early in development; it might change |
| 01:00:12 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:01:33 | vogon_jeltz | there... changed the #paranoiamud topic to something more Paranoia-y |
| 01:03:35 | captain_proton | why did you *need* op? |
| 01:04:12 | vogon_jeltz | I don't know |
| 01:04:23 | vogon_jeltz | for playing the RPG, I do, though |
| 01:04:33 | vogon_jeltz | I don't want to be kicked by a subordinate... |
| 01:05:37 | captain_proton | good point |
| 01:05:42 | captain_proton | airborne will be back |
| 01:05:45 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 01:05:46 | captain_proton | tomorrow |
| 01:05:50 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 01:06:01 | vogon_jeltz | wanna go play some BZ? |
| 01:06:14 | captain_proton | i'm kinda knee deep in some code right now |
| 01:06:21 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, say no more |
| 01:07:02 | vogon_jeltz | anything you want me to tweak? |
| 01:07:21 | captain_proton | ummmmm mabye |
| 01:07:34 | captain_proton | make the world a linked list :) |
| 01:07:39 | vogon_jeltz | eek |
| 01:07:41 | vogon_jeltz | runs |
| 01:08:20 | captain_proton | if you wanna tweak it so that it doesn't do bases in the background renderer, that would work |
| 01:08:21 | vogon_jeltz | I'd do it if we were just beginning to develop BZFlag, but I don't wanna have to search for every instance of array notation in the entire code |
| 01:08:36 | vogon_jeltz | <regarding linked list> |
| 01:08:49 | vogon_jeltz | I'll do the background renderer thing, tho |
| 01:09:01 | captain_proton | write a recursive operator [] for your linked list class! |
| 01:09:14 | vogon_jeltz | faints |
| 01:09:20 | vogon_jeltz | hell, no |
| 01:09:24 | captain_proton | have it call next[index - 1] |
| 01:09:30 | captain_proton | when index == 0, there's your element |
| 01:09:38 | vogon_jeltz | I know, but I still don't want to do that... 8-P |
| 01:09:45 | captain_proton | a WONDERFUL example of efficiency |
| 01:09:52 | vogon_jeltz | custom operators seem to bomb on my GCC |
| 01:10:00 | captain_proton | put it pales in comparison to the world loader in bzedit :) |
| 01:10:27 | vogon_jeltz | what, is your world loade like one line of code? |
| 01:10:33 | vogon_jeltz | s/loade/loader |
| 01:11:41 | vogon_jeltz | welp, to do scene renderer work, I need your set of code... |
| 01:12:14 | captain_proton | no |
| 01:12:21 | vogon_jeltz | y not? |
| 01:12:26 | vogon_jeltz | not finished? |
| 01:12:38 | captain_proton | it loops through the entire world multiple times for each object as it adds it, trying to come up with a unique name for it |
| 01:12:50 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, the bzedit loader |
| 01:12:54 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:13:07 | vogon_jeltz | couldn't you just randomly name-mangle? |
| 01:13:09 | captain_proton | takes forever for big worlds |
| 01:13:18 | captain_proton | then you still run into name collisions |
| 01:13:24 | vogon_jeltz | no, you just check the name-mangling |
| 01:13:27 | captain_proton | and its not as pretty as having box1, box2, box3, box4, etc |
| 01:13:35 | captain_proton | because the user can name the objects |
| 01:13:42 | vogon_jeltz | ohh, OK |
| 01:13:59 | vogon_jeltz | sorry, that's a bzedit 2 feature, I guess |
| 01:14:00 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:14:05 | vogon_jeltz | needs the bzedit 2 binaries |
| 01:14:15 | captain_proton | will compile them sometime |
| 01:14:29 | vogon_jeltz | hopes "sometime" is before the heat-death of the Universe |
| 01:15:33 | captain_proton | checks out CVS source on a machine to build it for sig |
| 01:15:42 | vogon_jeltz | thk you very much |
| 01:15:46 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 01:15:55 | captain_proton | i'm gonna send you a tarball with it configured & maked |
| 01:15:58 | captain_proton | you can do the make install |
| 01:16:04 | vogon_jeltz | just for that, you get an extra 100 credits in the Paranoia game |
| 01:16:08 | captain_proton | whee |
| 01:16:18 | captain_proton | how much is a credit worth? |
| 01:16:28 | captain_proton | hmmm it compiles slower on that machine :) |
| 01:16:30 | vogon_jeltz | 100 credits is enough to buy a laser barrel |
| 01:16:46 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:17:04 | vogon_jeltz | a laser barrel is worth 6 laser shots |
| 01:17:17 | captain_proton | can i shoot my comrades? |
| 01:17:18 | vogon_jeltz | well, more if you wanna risk it |
| 01:17:20 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 01:17:28 | vogon_jeltz | but calling them comrades is treason |
| 01:17:58 | captain_proton | big tarball coming your way |
| 01:18:03 | vogon_jeltz | and if you want to shoot them, you have to either make them look like traitors or pretend that it's an accident |
| 01:18:11 | captain_proton | oh...that I can do |
| 01:18:24 | captain_proton | all I need is that jar of white-out |
| 01:18:39 | vogon_jeltz | tells proton that you can make anything look like an accident in Paranoia |
| 01:19:08 | captain_proton | do i just have to say 'oops' |
| 01:19:09 | vogon_jeltz | the formula goes like this: discharge an experimental weapon, blame it on Commie sabotage in R&D, get a commendation from the Big C |
| 01:19:22 | captain_proton | :) |
| 01:19:37 | vogon_jeltz | a commendation consists of about 100 credits |
| 01:19:48 | vogon_jeltz | and praise from Friend Computer |
| 01:20:02 | | captain_proton: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:20:02 | captain_proton | ibot: paranoia? |
| 01:20:13 | vogon_jeltz | proton: I'll handle it |
| 01:20:14 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 01:20:14 | captain_proton | ibot: paranoia is that feeling you get when people are out to get you |
| 01:20:26 | captain_proton | do an 'is also' sig |
| 01:20:26 | | Paranoia is that feeling you get when people are out to get you |
| 01:20:26 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Paranoia? |
| 01:21:10 | | okay, vogon_jeltz. |
| 01:21:10 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Paranoia is also "The Role-Playing Game of a Darkly Humorous Future", created by Greg Costikyan, Dan Gelber, and many others, and published by West End Games in 1984 |
| 01:21:21 | | i heard paranoia was that feeling you get when people are out to get you or "The Role-Playing Game of a Darkly Humorous Future", created by Greg Costikyan, Dan Gelber, and many others, and published by West End Games in 1984 |
| 01:21:21 | captain_proton | ibot, paranoia? |
| 01:21:27 | vogon_jeltz | good |
| 01:21:38 | vogon_jeltz | that'll do, ibot... that'll do |
| 01:22:18 | vogon_jeltz | thinks it's kinda funny that a game like Paranoia was published in 1984... 8-P |
| 01:22:28 | captain_proton | starts another X to see if my new code segfaults |
| 01:24:23 | captain_proton | rejoices but then realizes his code is never called |
| 01:24:31 | vogon_jeltz | laught |
| 01:24:35 | vogon_jeltz | laughs |
| 01:24:54 | captain_proton | starts furiously typing to remedy this horrible situation |
| 01:25:04 | | vogon_jeltz: huh? |
| 01:25:04 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 01:26:07 | | okay, vogon_jeltz. |
| 01:26:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot is also Satan |
| 01:26:11 | | i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. or Satan |
| 01:26:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 01:26:32 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot ibot |
| 01:26:32 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget ibot |
| 01:26:37 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 01:26:37 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot is Satan |
| 01:26:41 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 01:26:41 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: |
| 01:26:43 | | yes, vogon_jeltz? |
| 01:26:43 | vogon_jeltz | ibot |
| 01:26:47 | | ibot is, like, Satan |
| 01:26:47 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 01:27:04 | vogon_jeltz | proton: enjoying the doxygen output? |
| 01:27:13 | captain_proton | oh yes |
| 01:27:43 | vogon_jeltz | you never realize what an undocumented piece of s***ty spaghetti logic BZFlag is until you see it that way |
| 01:28:12 | vogon_jeltz | it could have been kept sane except for all of the C++ |
| 01:28:46 | vogon_jeltz | watches a Seinfeld rerun |
| 01:29:32 | vogon_jeltz | plays TuxRacer |
| 01:29:56 | captain_proton | realizes he hasn't tried TuxRacer on his video card |
| 01:29:58 | vogon_jeltz | is back |
| 01:30:01 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing |
| 01:30:10 | vogon_jeltz | it kicks ass |
| 01:30:19 | captain_proton | i know |
| 01:30:21 | vogon_jeltz | if you get 100 fps in BZ, you'll get 130 in TuxRacer |
| 01:30:30 | captain_proton | probably |
| 01:30:35 | captain_proton | i'm waiting for 1.0 |
| 01:30:41 | vogon_jeltz | it's much better graphically, but it also has *much, much* better culling |
| 01:31:34 | captain_proton | well...bzflag has no culling |
| 01:31:41 | vogon_jeltz | good point |
| 01:33:00 | captain_proton | finds tuxracer isn't even installed |
| 01:34:00 | vogon_jeltz | gets 90 fps in TuxRacer with one GPU working |
| 01:34:38 | vogon_jeltz | hopes proton'll get his MPH patch |
| 01:34:53 | captain_proton | MPH |
| 01:34:56 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:35:00 | vogon_jeltz | miles-per-hour |
| 01:35:11 | vogon_jeltz | it changes the speedometer in TuxRacer from km/h to mph |
| 01:42:45 | vogon_jeltz | proton, you still there? |
| 01:56:57 | captain_proton | not really |
| 01:57:11 | vogon_jeltz | grins |
| 01:57:17 | vogon_jeltz | compiled yet? |
| 01:58:47 | captain_proton | it was sent a long time ago |
| 01:59:22 | vogon_jeltz | e-mail? |
| 01:59:44 | captain_proton | yes |
| 02:00:03 | vogon_jeltz | k, thot you were gonna DCC it |
| 02:00:07 | captain_proton | i compiled it on a machine with a fast net so I wouldn't have to upload 1.3 megs of tarballs |
| 02:00:24 | captain_proton | but I don't have a console irc to dcc with |
| 02:01:17 | captain_proton | notices that tuxracer will take another half hour to download |
| 02:01:19 | vogon_jeltz | aah, k |
| 02:01:43 | vogon_jeltz | I'll DCC you a cool set of extra courses, too |
| 02:02:11 | vogon_jeltz | they're zipped, tho |
| 02:02:17 | vogon_jeltz | not gzipped, not bzipped, but zipped |
| 02:02:25 | captain_proton | i know where to get them |
| 02:02:40 | vogon_jeltz | where? |
| 02:02:43 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 02:03:22 | captain_proton | http://tuxracer.virtualave.net |
| 02:03:33 | vogon_jeltz | I know, too, but I was just checking |
| 02:03:46 | vogon_jeltz | also, tuxracer.cjb.net |
| 02:04:02 | captain_proton | sets mozilla option for no popups |
| 02:05:27 | vogon_jeltz | what wm you use, proton? |
| 02:05:54 | captain_proton | sawfish |
| 02:06:35 | captain_proton | e is crap :) |
| 02:06:40 | captain_proton | just like everything else raster writes |
| 02:07:02 | vogon_jeltz | eek, bzedit tries to rebuild... |
| 02:07:11 | vogon_jeltz | how should I install it by hand? |
| 02:07:19 | captain_proton | well, put bzedit in /usr/bin |
| 02:07:28 | captain_proton | put the data in /usr/local/share/bzedit/data |
| 02:07:39 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 02:07:46 | captain_proton | and put the help in /usr/share/gnome/help/bzedit/C/ (i think, check help/Makefile.am) |
| 02:10:15 | captain_proton | reads about discourse planning and surface realization |
| 02:11:05 | vogon_jeltz | ehnnnt... rendering bug... rendering bug... ehnnnt |
| 02:11:17 | vogon_jeltz | everything's transparent... |
| 02:11:32 | captain_proton | you have an object selected |
| 02:11:43 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 02:11:54 | vogon_jeltz | (I'm not an idiot) |
| 02:12:09 | captain_proton | doesn't do that for me |
| 02:12:17 | vogon_jeltz | hrm... |
| 02:12:45 | captain_proton | what do you mean everything's transparent? |
| 02:14:42 | vogon_jeltz | everything's at full alpha, but you can see all 6 sides of the object |
| 02:15:13 | captain_proton | uhmmmmmm |
| 02:15:15 | captain_proton | bizzare |
| 02:16:35 | captain_proton | adds another class to bzflag |
| 02:21:45 | captain_proton | adds another class to bzflag |
| 02:21:54 | captain_proton | whoops |
| 02:21:56 | captain_proton | only 1 more class |
| 02:22:48 | vogon_jeltz | you almost done with the base thingy? |
| 02:24:40 | captain_proton | i'm needing to create an obstacle for it |
| 02:24:58 | captain_proton | it'll be a while |
| 02:25:18 | vogon_jeltz | I'm gonna have to rewrite my custom CTF patch, then |
| 02:25:27 | captain_proton | after I create the obstacle for it I can move the base logic into the scene renderer |
| 02:25:27 | vogon_jeltz | (I think) |
| 02:25:38 | captain_proton | i don't |
| 02:25:42 | vogon_jeltz | OK |
| 02:25:43 | captain_proton | this is purely client-side |
| 02:25:46 | vogon_jeltz | you'd know better than me |
| 02:26:01 | captain_proton | your CTF patch is server side, right? |
| 02:26:06 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 02:26:18 | captain_proton | then you don't have to rewrite anything |
| 02:27:35 | captain_proton | damn half-macro linked lists |
| 02:30:01 | captain_proton | adds yet another class to bzflag |
| 02:30:23 | captain_proton | realizes tuxracer will be done in 1 minute and gets excited |
| 02:30:52 | vogon_jeltz | tuxracer needs multiplayer |
| 02:32:04 | vogon_jeltz | proton: in that situation, the correct reaction is to fight against impossible (literally) odds |
| 02:32:16 | vogon_jeltz | proton: and go down shouting loyal slogans |
| 02:33:25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:33:38 | vogon_jeltz | proton: you might even earn a posthumous commendatio |
| 02:33:43 | vogon_jeltz | proton: commendation |
| 02:33:45 | captain_proton | sudo rpm -Uvh tuxracer-0.61-2.i386.rpm |
| 02:33:53 | captain_proton | oh damn |
| 02:34:02 | captain_proton | i realized why I don't have the tuxracer rpm here |
| 02:34:09 | vogon_jeltz | y? |
| 02:34:18 | captain_proton | requires libSDL-1.1 |
| 02:34:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:34:23 | captain_proton | I have libSDL-1.2 |
| 02:34:33 | vogon_jeltz | download and compile |
| 02:34:59 | captain_proton | honeynet released their stats today |
| 02:35:38 | captain_proton | goes back to coding |
| 02:37:27 | captain_proton | edits .vimrc to recognize .cxx as C++ files |
| 02:40:35 | captain_proton | gets to wait another half hour for tuxracer |
| 02:40:41 | vogon_jeltz | 8-D |
| 02:40:46 | vogon_jeltz | I could send it to you |
| 02:42:58 | captain_proton | its faster this way |
| 02:43:07 | captain_proton | me->sourceforge is faster than me->you |
| 02:47:42 | captain_proton | thinks bzflag should be completely rewritten with a logical structure |
| 02:47:59 | captain_proton | thinks but not by captain_proton |
| 02:48:55 | vogon_jeltz | thinks that he wouldn't like to do it either |
| 02:49:06 | captain_proton | just realized that full-tank collision detection is really easy with the current scheme |
| 02:50:13 | vogon_jeltz | is too busy with the Paranoia MUD-lyke Server to work on rewrites of BZ |
| 02:50:34 | vogon_jeltz | everything within the game is inherited from one class |
| 02:50:43 | captain_proton | ewwwwwwww |
| 02:50:53 | vogon_jeltz | but that's just within Alpha Complex |
| 02:50:59 | vogon_jeltz | it's not bad |
| 02:51:02 | captain_proton | its like mfc |
| 02:51:10 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 02:51:12 | captain_proton | please don't tell me you called it Unknown |
| 02:51:18 | vogon_jeltz | nope, Object |
| 02:51:28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:51:37 | vogon_jeltz | it's split into Inanimate and Animate |
| 02:51:41 | captain_proton | oh - you mean in the representation of Alpha Complex |
| 02:51:44 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 02:51:44 | captain_proton | thats ok |
| 02:51:46 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 02:51:51 | captain_proton | |
| 02:51:55 | vogon_jeltz | and it helps simplify everything |
| 02:51:58 | captain_proton | :) i tricked irc |
| 02:52:02 | vogon_jeltz | |
| 02:52:08 | vogon_jeltz | me too 8-) |
| 02:52:23 | | captain_proton: no idea |
| 02:52:23 | captain_proton | ibot: vim? |
| 02:52:27 | | bugger all, i dunno, captain_proton |
| 02:52:27 | captain_proton | ibot: vi? |
| 02:52:31 | | emacs is nice, too, but i dont need a lisp engine - emacs has some cool features: e.g. the "M-x doctor" is nice :) |
| 02:52:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: emacs? |
| 02:52:47 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot emacs |
| 02:52:47 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget emacs |
| 02:52:53 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 02:52:53 | captain_proton | ibot: vi is a text editor that is smaller and faster and less bloated than emacs |
| 02:53:05 | | i haven't a clue, captain_proton |
| 02:53:05 | captain_proton | ibot: pico? |
| 02:53:13 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 02:53:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor |
| 02:53:39 | | captain_proton: wish i knew |
| 02:53:39 | captain_proton | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who don't understand how to write files with cat |
| 02:53:50 | | wish i knew, captain_proton |
| 02:53:50 | captain_proton | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who don't understand how to write files with cat |
| 02:53:56 | | i haven't a clue, captain_proton |
| 02:53:56 | captain_proton | ibot: pico? |
| 02:54:16 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: remove understand and replace it with know |
| 02:54:29 | | wish i knew, captain_proton |
| 02:54:29 | captain_proton | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who don't know how to write files with cat |
| 02:54:40 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: remove don't know and replace it with can't comprehend |
| 02:55:35 | | vogon_jeltz: no idea |
| 02:55:35 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who can't write files with cat |
| 02:55:40 | | i haven't a clue, captain_proton |
| 02:55:40 | captain_proton | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who can't comprehend how to write files with cat |
| 02:55:47 | | vogon_jeltz: i don't know |
| 02:55:47 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people who won't write files with cat |
| 02:55:58 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 02:55:58 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people incapable of write files with cat |
| 02:56:03 | | vogon_jeltz, I didn't have anything matching 'pic' |
| 02:56:03 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget pic |
| 02:56:05 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot pico |
| 02:56:05 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget pico |
| 02:56:09 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 02:56:09 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: pico is a text editor used by people incapable of writing files with cat |
| 02:56:47 | captain_proton | i don't even have emacs installed :) |
| 02:57:34 | captain_proton | M-x vip-mode |
| 02:58:48 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 02:58:48 | captain_proton | ibot: vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need |
| 02:59:00 | | i guess emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor |
| 02:59:00 | captain_proton | ibot: emacs? |
| 02:59:07 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 02:59:19 | | okay, captain_proton. |
| 02:59:19 | captain_proton | ibot: emacs is also is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used |
| 02:59:23 | | hmmm... emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used |
| 02:59:23 | captain_proton | ibot: emacs? |
| 02:59:30 | captain_proton | :) |
| 02:59:35 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 03:01:10 | vogon_jeltz | proton: what do you do in the paranoiamud topic? |
| 03:01:24 | captain_proton | I shoot myself |
| 03:01:28 | vogon_jeltz | proton: you're armed with one Red laser barrel and some foam grenades |
| 03:01:31 | captain_proton | i want a pillow, damnit |
| 03:01:36 | vogon_jeltz | proton: you can always fight back |
| 03:01:45 | vogon_jeltz | proton: and explain to The Computer |
| 03:01:58 | captain_proton | i yell 'for Friend Computer!' and shoot myself in the leg |
| 03:02:10 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK, you're wounded |
| 03:02:24 | captain_proton | do I get a commendation? |
| 03:02:26 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: nope |
| 03:02:33 | captain_proton | do I get to live? |
| 03:02:35 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: no |
| 03:02:41 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: there's a pipe over your head |
| 03:02:43 | captain_proton | shoot |
| 03:02:53 | captain_proton | i shoot the pipe |
| 03:03:02 | captain_proton | and blame it on commie sabotage |
| 03:03:12 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it explodes and the shrapnel misses you and takes out 5 High Programmers |
| 03:03:32 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you gain no commendation or throw pillow |
| 03:03:49 | captain_proton | i tell the computer that the weapon discharged due to commies in R&D |
| 03:04:02 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: sorry, doesn't jive -- you're a traitor, remember? |
| 03:04:09 | captain_proton | oh yeah |
| 03:04:28 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the High Programmers are stopped in the hallway to care for the injured |
| 03:04:37 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: what do you do? |
| 03:04:44 | captain_proton | i tell the computer that I was a commie but then I just realized thats a bad idea and expose 1/2 the high programmers as comrades |
| 03:05:28 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: they tell The Computer that you're lying and since they outrank you and you're a traitor, The Computer doesn't believe you |
| 03:05:28 | captain_proton | haha - bet you weren't expecting that :) |
| 03:05:41 | captain_proton | shoot |
| 03:05:47 | captain_proton | i throw grenades at them |
| 03:06:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the grenades go off in the middle of the crowd... a plume of foam starts to fill the hallway |
| 03:06:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: how fast do you run? |
| 03:06:22 | captain_proton | i shoot at the foam |
| 03:06:31 | captain_proton | as fast as I can |
| 03:06:33 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: your shots harmlessly bounce off |
| 03:06:47 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: a minute or so later, the foam stops expanding |
| 03:06:53 | captain_proton | i run as fast as I can |
| 03:06:56 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it's turned yellow and is rock hard |
| 03:07:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the High Programmers are trapped within it |
| 03:07:40 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you're safe in a side hallway |
| 03:08:05 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you look around and you see a demolition charge left unattended on the floor |
| 03:08:38 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: what do you do? |
| 03:09:06 | captain_proton | i throw the charge into the foam |
| 03:09:15 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it bounces off |
| 03:09:24 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: remember, the foam is hard |
| 03:09:28 | captain_proton | i put it in my pocket |
| 03:09:32 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK |
| 03:09:53 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: a squad of Vulture Squadron goons comes around the corner |
| 03:10:03 | captain_proton | i set the charge and throw it |
| 03:10:21 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK, it lands about 50 meters away |
| 03:10:31 | captain_proton | i did throw it at the goons, right? |
| 03:10:37 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it explodes. You die; the Vulture Warriors die too. |
| 03:10:47 | captain_proton | wonderful |
| 03:10:56 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you've racked up approximately 600 treason points |
| 03:22:13 | captain_proton | recompiles tuxracer with the stencil buffer enabled |
| 03:28:18 | captain_proton | recompiles tuxracer with the stencil buffer enabled |
| 03:28:51 | captain_proton | remembers how he made a course called 'who says penguins can't fall' |
| 03:29:30 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 03:29:43 | vogon_jeltz | I like The Express Lane |
| 03:29:51 | vogon_jeltz | Tux can get up to 160 mph on that one |
| 03:30:33 | captain_proton | i got up to terminal velocity on one I made |
| 03:30:37 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 03:30:37 | captain_proton | 760 something kph |
| 03:30:43 | vogon_jeltz | you still have it? |
| 03:30:47 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 03:30:50 | captain_proton | lemme check |
| 03:31:02 | captain_proton | actually I didn't make it |
| 03:31:06 | captain_proton | a friend to 'can' |
| 03:31:13 | captain_proton | t fall' and made it 'can |
| 03:31:20 | captain_proton | 't reach terminal velocity' |
| 03:31:26 | captain_proton | i can find can't fall though |
| 03:37:19 | vogon_jeltz | there, got it |
| 03:37:23 | vogon_jeltz | lemme try it out |
| 03:40:44 | vogon_jeltz | dear God, that's a fast penguin... |
| 03:41:39 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 03:41:39 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 03:42:23 | captain_proton | wanna go play some bz? i'm getting tired of plane[0] = ((x < 0.0) ? -cosf(a2) : cosf(a2)); pw[0] = p2[0] + getWidth() * plane[0]; |
| 03:42:33 | captain_proton | damnit why do I keep repeating myself??? |
| 03:43:23 | captain_proton | damnit why do I keep repeating myself??? |
| 03:44:26 | vogon_jeltz | sure |
| 03:45:01 | captain_proton | ctf ballpark? |
| 03:55:36 | captain_proton | that game sucked - seemed like 1 minute lag! |
| 04:06:32 | vogon_jeltz | wtf was up with that? |
| 04:06:42 | vogon_jeltz | I think BrownSugar had something to do with it |
| 04:06:48 | vogon_jeltz | I couldn't pick up the blue flag |
| 04:06:55 | vogon_jeltz | but I could pick up all other flags |
| 04:06:56 | captain_proton | i should have kicked him |
| 04:07:09 | vogon_jeltz | let's go back and kick him; maybe it'll be back to normal |
| 04:07:20 | captain_proton | i'm watching leno |
| 04:07:29 | vogon_jeltz | anything particularly funny? |
| 04:07:39 | captain_proton | jackie chan is on |
| 04:07:42 | vogon_jeltz | here, wait, give me your kick password |
| 04:07:44 | captain_proton | pretty funny |
| 04:07:49 | vogon_jeltz | I've seen that one |
| 04:08:08 | vogon_jeltz | it's a rerun |
| 04:08:09 | captain_proton | umm...i think its new |
| 04:08:12 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 04:08:27 | vogon_jeltz | oh, wait, yes, it isnew |
| 04:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | sorry |
| 04:08:35 | vogon_jeltz | kick password, plz? |
| 04:08:41 | captain_proton | its my password without the space |
| 04:08:47 | vogon_jeltz | and that is? |
| 04:08:55 | captain_proton | think about it :) |
| 04:08:58 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 04:09:05 | vogon_jeltz | captainproton? captainevil? |
| 04:09:15 | captain_proton | mypassword |
| 04:09:22 | vogon_jeltz | ohh, OK... funny |
| 04:11:13 | captain_proton | rumor has it chan & jet lee are gonna make a movie together |
| 04:13:27 | captain_proton | you probably don't care about that |
| 04:14:37 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 04:14:41 | vogon_jeltz | not at all |
| 04:14:45 | vogon_jeltz | is back |
| 04:15:25 | vogon_jeltz | welp, it's only 10:15 here... |
| 04:15:37 | vogon_jeltz | so I've no choice but to watch the crappy local news |
| 04:15:53 | vogon_jeltz | as opposed to the good local news, which is on at 11 |
| 04:16:38 | captain_proton | you could surf the net... |
| 04:16:43 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 04:16:55 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... you have KDE 2.1? |
| 04:17:15 | captain_proton | i've got whatever comes with rh7.1 |
| 04:17:21 | vogon_jeltz | prolly, then |
| 04:17:38 | vogon_jeltz | I know there's one game that you can play networked |
| 04:17:48 | vogon_jeltz | that comes with KDE 2.x |
| 04:18:13 | vogon_jeltz | wonder if GLTron is at 0.13 yet |
| 04:18:57 | vogon_jeltz | oop, rather, 0.62 |
| 04:19:11 | captain_proton | gltron sucks |
| 04:19:12 | vogon_jeltz | and it's not |
| 04:19:20 | captain_proton | cool - the iceman died in a battle |
| 04:19:26 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 04:19:57 | vogon_jeltz | I heard this afternoon |
| 04:20:47 | vogon_jeltz | any other games you have that are network-play-ready and are free? |
| 04:21:31 | vogon_jeltz | is getting MindRover next week |
| 04:22:16 | vogon_jeltz | out in Colorado, you have Conan O'Brien after Leno? |
| 04:22:54 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:23:03 | vogon_jeltz | did you see it last night? |
| 04:23:09 | captain_proton | no - i don't watch it |
| 04:23:19 | vogon_jeltz | argh.. watch it tonight |
| 04:23:28 | vogon_jeltz | O'Brien's way better than Leno |
| 04:23:39 | vogon_jeltz | he used to write for The Simpsons and SNL |
| 04:25:03 | captain_proton | hehe - one of honeynet's rh 6.2 systems was compromised 15 minutes after it was put on the net |
| 04:25:07 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 04:25:48 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 04:25:48 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: search google chkrootkit |
| 04:25:54 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: search google for chkrootkit |
| 04:26:01 | | vogon_jeltz: Google says chkrootkit is http://www.chkrootkit.org/ or http://www.chkrootkit.org/README or http://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/security/tools/chkrootkit/?M=D |
| 04:27:56 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Tim |
| 04:29:16 | vogon_jeltz | good; apparently, nobody's rooted me... |
| 04:30:03 | captain_proton | hi tim |
| 04:30:13 | captain_proton | that's always good |
| 04:30:14 | captain_proton | that's always good |
| 04:30:17 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 04:30:17 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 04:30:21 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 04:30:31 | captain_proton | nobody _can_ root me unless they hack a hidden openssh |
| 04:30:47 | vogon_jeltz | nobody _can_ root me either... |
| 04:30:50 | vogon_jeltz | now |
| 04:30:54 | captain_proton | here's a trick for ya - find my ssh port |
| 04:30:59 | vogon_jeltz | thx for the security check, btw |
| 04:31:03 | vogon_jeltz | I don't have a port scanner |
| 04:31:05 | captain_proton | no problem |
| 04:31:24 | captain_proton | rpmfind nmap |
| 04:31:32 | vogon_jeltz | no thx |
| 04:31:44 | vogon_jeltz | I don't go for those types of things... |
| 04:31:58 | captain_proton | opressive ISP? |
| 04:32:04 | vogon_jeltz | no, not really |
| 04:32:27 | vogon_jeltz | I just don't want anything on my computer that the police can misconstrue as illegal |
| 04:32:36 | captain_proton | its not illegal |
| 04:32:55 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but you'd be surprised at what twisted logic people can use to make it seem illegal |
| 04:33:01 | vogon_jeltz | -- look at Sklyarov |
| 04:33:37 | captain_proton | ok - the reason you have a port scanner is that you used it when you were building your firewall to protect yourself from crackers who might use your computer as a jumping point to break into government computers... |
| 04:33:49 | captain_proton | hows THAT? |
| 04:33:53 | vogon_jeltz | I know... but my firewall's already set up |
| 04:34:11 | captain_proton | its an excuse damnit |
| 04:34:17 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 04:34:21 | vogon_jeltz | I don't make excuses |
| 04:34:46 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 04:35:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how do you set it up to give certain people op status when they connect? |
| 04:35:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how do you set it up to give certain people op status when they connect? |
| 04:35:52 | BZFlag | on irc? |
| 04:35:54 | captain_proton | yes |
| 04:36:05 | captain_proton | and why do I keep repeating myself even though I'm not? |
| 04:36:13 | BZFlag | /msg chanserv help |
| 04:37:30 | vogon_jeltz | eep |
| 04:37:45 | vogon_jeltz | welp, there's no way to take auto-chanop away from airborne |
| 04:38:12 | captain_proton | until they leave |
| 04:38:17 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 04:38:28 | vogon_jeltz | not even then |
| 04:38:48 | captain_proton | no? |
| 04:39:04 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 04:39:56 | BZFlag | sure there is. |
| 04:40:08 | vogon_jeltz | wait a sec |
| 04:40:09 | vogon_jeltz | I'm working |
| 04:40:26 | BZFlag | get channel owner status, and change the rights in the channel. chanserv will unop them. |
| 04:40:45 | vogon_jeltz | I can't |
| 04:40:52 | vogon_jeltz | airborne is the op, and he's asleep |
| 04:41:11 | vogon_jeltz | so I can't register |
| 04:41:54 | BZFlag | yep. then dos him till he drops. ;-) |
| 04:42:16 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:42:19 | vogon_jeltz | 8-)) |
| 04:42:39 | captain_proton | ok will do :) |
| 04:43:03 | BZFlag | just don't get me kicked for tellin ya to do it. |
| 04:43:14 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... I ping flooded Laz once |
| 04:43:18 | vogon_jeltz | he kept kicking me |
| 04:43:28 | vogon_jeltz | but I didn't do it until the server died |
| 04:43:35 | vogon_jeltz | just enough to make him notice |
| 04:43:47 | vogon_jeltz | then I stopped and he let me right onto the server |
| 04:44:04 | vogon_jeltz | (he was kicking me *literally* for no reason whatsoever) |
| 04:44:11 | vogon_jeltz | just for laughs |
| 04:44:29 | captain_proton | 10 ping floods enough? |
| 04:44:34 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 04:45:02 | vogon_jeltz | eep; I forgot something in my firewall... I better disallow pings of my box |
| 04:45:19 | BZFlag | disallowing pins is a Bad Thing. |
| 04:45:23 | BZFlag | er pings |
| 04:45:35 | vogon_jeltz | y? |
| 04:45:44 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, I know |
| 04:45:49 | vogon_jeltz | IRC'll ping timeout me |
| 04:45:51 | vogon_jeltz | 8-P |
| 04:46:08 | captain_proton | damn airborne must have a good network |
| 04:46:12 | BZFlag | "security by obscurity" is an illusion. |
| 04:46:30 | captain_proton | security+obscurity doesn't hurt though |
| 04:46:33 | BZFlag | folks that want to find you still will, those that could help you won't |
| 04:47:00 | BZFlag | it's not nice netiquite. |
| 04:47:19 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... I have a fully-loaded nick |
| 04:47:22 | BZFlag | if you are being attacked, you would like to know all you can about the attacker, no? |
| 04:47:26 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 04:47:28 | vogon_jeltz | good point |
| 04:47:41 | vogon_jeltz | somebody try to take my nick |
| 04:47:47 | BZFlag | so if someone _does_ crack your box, what are they going to do next? |
| 04:47:54 | BZFlag | turn around and hack someone else. |
| 04:47:57 | captain_proton | so you log the packet before dropping it |
| 04:47:58 | vogon | mm-hmm |
| 04:48:07 | vogon | seriously, somebody try to take my nick |
| 04:48:25 | vogon | wait for it... |
| 04:48:28 | vogon | wait for it... |
| 04:48:30 | vogon_jeltz | grrr |
| 04:48:32 | BZFlag | would you rather your ISP finds out before you? or would you like to make it easy for the next folk down the road to contact you. |
| 04:48:40 | vogon | darn |
| 04:49:15 | vogon_jeltz | my ISP doesn't run intrusion patrol |
| 04:49:22 | vogon_jeltz | it's free... what do you expect? |
| 04:49:34 | BZFlag | obscurity is folks people that can't implement real security. |
| 04:49:39 | captain_proton | well think of this |
| 04:49:45 | captain_proton | i have an ssh port open |
| 04:49:59 | captain_proton | i moved it elsewhere, and ssh is such that if its not on port 22, most port scanners don't find it |
| 04:50:15 | captain_proton | whats the harm there? i know where it is, attackers don't |
| 04:50:16 | BZFlag | oh, and captain_proton's ssh port is 1614 |
| 04:50:22 | vogon_jeltz | 8-D |
| 04:50:28 | captain_proton | :) |
| 04:50:35 | captain_proton | now you'll just have to guess my password |
| 04:50:46 | captain_proton | my external password that is |
| 04:50:54 | captain_proton | which is...um...23 characters i think |
| 04:51:02 | vogon_jeltz | all random? |
| 04:51:23 | captain_proton | no not completely |
| 04:51:26 | vogon_jeltz | hrm |
| 04:51:37 | BZFlag | didn't get it that time. |
| 04:51:48 | captain_proton | and even then you get dropped to a restricted sub-machine |
| 04:52:19 | BZFlag | with a scroll back history entry that tells me how to get out. |
| 04:52:49 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 04:52:51 | captain_proton | you can't get out |
| 04:53:16 | BZFlag | is betting that up arrow will eventually display the command to get out of the sub machine. |
| 04:53:29 | captain_proton | wonders if BZFlag has ever heard of medusa |
| 04:53:39 | BZFlag | has |
| 04:53:55 | captain_proton | the sub-machine is enforced by the kernel |
| 04:54:11 | captain_proton | and I made it so no network processes can get out |
| 04:54:23 | vogon_jeltz | so, he's already found your SSH port and gotten into the sub-machine... hmm |
| 04:54:30 | captain_proton | he hasn't gotten in |
| 04:54:35 | captain_proton | he tried thrice |
| 04:54:46 | BZFlag | ah, but he tried more that thrice. |
| 04:54:58 | BZFlag | just let it log thrice. |
| 04:55:44 | captain_proton | how???????????? |
| 04:56:29 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... secure, huh? |
| 04:57:14 | vogon_jeltz | I'm not sure I want to trust proton's firewall setup that he gave me... |
| 04:57:22 | BZFlag | some little know ssh attacks on older version work _before_ login. you are running OpenSSH_2.5.2p2 which is fixed though. |
| 04:58:01 | vogon_jeltz | wait, gotta re-login... brb |
| 04:58:11 | captain_proton | time to check the accounting logs... |
| 04:58:19 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:59:07 | captain_proton | damn accounting was off |
| 04:59:38 | vogon_jeltz | geez; I've only flung 687 megabytes thru the narrow pipe here |
| 05:00:08 | vogon_jeltz | and I haven't reset the accounting in almost a month |
| 05:00:27 | BZFlag | pokes around for any known redhat 7.0 exploits... |
| 05:00:38 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: for my box? |
| 05:00:42 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: or proton's? |
| 05:01:04 | captain_proton | i'm not on 7.0 |
| 05:01:10 | vogon_jeltz | I am, tho |
| 05:01:29 | vogon_jeltz | Proton's on 7.1 |
| 05:01:56 | vogon_jeltz | if you plan to exploit my box, I give up already |
| 05:02:15 | captain_proton | hmmm i need to setup portsentry on this box |
| 05:02:22 | BZFlag | hehe... |
| 05:02:48 | captain_proton | i had a wonderful setup on my old one |
| 05:02:49 | BZFlag | you must know that even if I got in I would not do anything. it's just the challenge. |
| 05:02:56 | captain_proton | of course |
| 05:02:57 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 05:03:01 | vogon_jeltz | but still... |
| 05:03:10 | captain_proton | thats the same thing my buddies & I set up servers for |
| 05:03:14 | vogon_jeltz | it's not really a challenge on my box... |
| 05:04:22 | captain_proton | boo - rpmfind is down |
| 05:04:35 | vogon_jeltz | stupid RPM |
| 05:04:37 | captain_proton | oh - app works still just not web |
| 05:04:46 | BZFlag | heh, you should try apt-get. ;-) |
| 05:04:54 | vogon_jeltz | I have |
| 05:04:56 | vogon_jeltz | apt-get rules |
| 05:05:00 | vogon_jeltz | I have it on my box |
| 05:05:12 | | rumour has it Tim Riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html or an annoying debian user |
| 05:05:12 | captain_proton | ibot: Tim Riker? |
| 05:05:19 | vogon_jeltz | I downloaded the dpkg source, used it to get the rest of the DEB package management system |
| 05:05:31 | | i am Satan |
| 05:05:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot? |
| 05:05:59 | vogon_jeltz | stupid bot... |
| 05:06:04 | captain_proton | BZFlag: notice the "an annoying debian user" :) |
| 05:06:38 | BZFlag | you just shut down your web server? |
| 05:06:43 | captain_proton | yep |
| 05:06:49 | | 'captain_proton' is 14% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:06:49 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer captain_proton |
| 05:06:57 | | 'vogon_jeltz' is 14% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:06:57 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer vogon_jeltz |
| 05:06:58 | BZFlag | ahh. just when I was exploring. ;-) |
| 05:07:01 | | 'BZFlag' is 27% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:07:01 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer BZFlag |
| 05:07:08 | vogon_jeltz | woot! |
| 05:07:12 | captain_proton | do I even have any public web stuff? |
| 05:07:34 | | captain_proton has neutral karma |
| 05:07:34 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma for captain_proton |
| 05:07:41 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:07:43 | | vogon_jeltz has neutral karma |
| 05:07:43 | captain_proton | ibot: karma for vogon_jeltz |
| 05:07:57 | | bzflag has karma of 3 |
| 05:07:57 | captain_proton | ibot: karma for BZFlag |
| 05:08:00 | | captain_proton-- has neutral karma |
| 05:08:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma captain_proton-- |
| 05:08:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:08:11 | | vogon_jeltz: i'm not following you... |
| 05:08:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton |
| 05:08:16 | | captain_proton has karma of -2 |
| 05:08:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma captain_proton |
| 05:08:18 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:08:26 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:08:27 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:08:35 | vogon_jeltz | ouch |
| 05:08:41 | | '[N1k5-ru14]' is 99.85% lame, [N1k5-ru14] |
| 05:08:41 | [N1k5-ru14] | ibot: nickometer [N1k5-ru14] |
| 05:09:05 | | vogon_jeltz has neutral karma |
| 05:09:05 | captain_proton | ibot: karma for vogon_jeltz |
| 05:09:15 | captain_proton | ibot: captain_proton++ |
| 05:09:47 | BZFlag | you can't karma yourself. |
| 05:10:03 | | suEGMG31WLdME |
| 05:10:03 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: crypt("captain_proton sucks",filament) |
| 05:10:06 | captain_proton | i noticed |
| 05:10:42 | | vogon_jeltz: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 05:10:42 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: weather for Seattle |
| 05:11:08 | | Slashdot - Updated 2001-07-27 03:29:37 | American Solar Challenge Completed: Blue Went | Iceman Murdered by Arrow in the Back | Honeynet Project: Blackhat Attack Stats | EPIC Makes Privacy Case Against Windows XP To FTC |
| 05:11:08 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: slashdot |
| 05:11:43 | vogon_jeltz | ibot is also fun to give commands to... |
| 05:11:52 | | okay, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:11:52 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot is also fun to give commands to... |
| 05:13:03 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:13:03 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop is <reply>infinite recursion |
| 05:13:13 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:13:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite recursion is <reply>infinite loop |
| 05:13:17 | | infinite recursion |
| 05:13:17 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop |
| 05:13:28 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot infinite loop |
| 05:13:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget infinite loop |
| 05:13:35 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot infinite recursion |
| 05:13:35 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget infinite recursion |
| 05:13:39 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:13:39 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite recursion is <reply>ibot: infinite loop |
| 05:13:45 | | i already had it that way, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:13:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite recursion is <reply>ibot: infinite loop |
| 05:13:52 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 05:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop is <reply>ibot: infinite recursion |
| 05:13:56 | | ibot: infinite recursion |
| 05:13:56 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop |
| 05:14:01 | vogon_jeltz | ack |
| 05:14:04 | captain_proton | its smarter than you sig |
| 05:14:05 | vogon_jeltz | 8-( |
| 05:14:18 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:14:52 | captain_proton | damn - karma must be done in public :P |
| 05:15:02 | | I don't know WHY I said that ... I think it came from the FILLINGS in my read molars ... |
| 05:15:02 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: yow |
| 05:16:20 | | hmmm... tim riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html |
| 05:16:20 | captain_proton | ibot: tim riker? |
| 05:16:23 | | well, tim riker is an annoying debian user |
| 05:16:23 | captain_proton | ibot: tim riker? |
| 05:16:25 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:16:37 | | ...but tim riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html|an annoying debian user... |
| 05:16:37 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: no, tim riker is a wonderful person... |
| 05:16:44 | | ...but tim riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html|an annoying debian user... |
| 05:16:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: No, tim riker is a wonderful person... |
| 05:17:02 | vogon_jeltz | stupid incorrect help |
| 05:18:05 | | I smell like a wet reducing clinic on Columbus Day! |
| 05:18:05 | captain_proton | ibot: be zippy |
| 05:19:13 | | I hope the ``Eurythmics'' practice birth control ... |
| 05:19:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: yow |
| 05:20:47 | captain_proton | gets angry at securityfocus for restructuring their database |
| 05:20:52 | vogon_jeltz | ismpxvzKqnSb6 |
| 05:21:00 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:21:09 | | vfzckimXdaFo6 |
| 05:21:09 | captain_proton | ibot rot13 ismpxvzKqnSb6 |
| 05:21:12 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 05:21:27 | vogon_jeltz | it's DESed |
| 05:21:44 | captain_proton | wonderful |
| 05:21:49 | captain_proton | whats it say? |
| 05:21:55 | vogon_jeltz | not tellin' you |
| 05:22:36 | vogon_jeltz | ma.KcQHEdysRA |
| 05:25:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton is a 14m3r |
| 05:25:19 | captain_proton | 14m3r? |
| 05:25:19 | vogon_jeltz | correct |
| 05:25:30 | captain_proton | oh |
| 05:25:34 | vogon_jeltz | hee |
| 05:25:37 | vogon_jeltz | nice one, Tim |
| 05:25:50 | BZFlag | the magic words are squeamish ossifr |
| 05:25:50 | BZFlag | age |
| 05:25:54 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 05:26:09 | vogon_jeltz | I believe that was the plain-text for a DES challenge... |
| 05:26:53 | BZFlag | note that the reall text you encoded is "the magi" as des passwd crypt only handles 8 characters. |
| 05:27:07 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 05:27:08 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 05:27:11 | vogon_jeltz | that sucks |
| 05:27:25 | vogon_jeltz | how did you get the rest? |
| 05:27:37 | BZFlag | crypt(password,xx) |
| 05:27:42 | | xxj31ZMTZzkVA |
| 05:27:42 | BZFlag | ibot crypt(password,xx) |
| 05:27:46 | | xxj31ZMTZzkVA |
| 05:27:46 | BZFlag | ibot crypt(passwordsdfkjsdlfkjsldfkjlk,xx) |
| 05:27:51 | vogon_jeltz | good point |
| 05:27:56 | BZFlag | owns ibot. ;-) |
| 05:28:05 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 05:28:08 | vogon_jeltz | 8-P |
| 05:28:11 | BZFlag | and you thought I had unlimited cpu power didn't you? |
| 05:28:14 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 05:28:27 | vogon_jeltz | just thot you were a really good guesser.. 8-) |
| 05:28:42 | vogon_jeltz | how do you get opped in an opless channel? |
| 05:29:18 | BZFlag | you have to be the channel founder or be on the auto op list that the founder setup |
| 05:29:22 | vogon_jeltz | eep |
| 05:29:28 | vogon_jeltz | welp, it's not a registered channel |
| 05:29:49 | BZFlag | ahh, then you have to get everyone to leave. a net split might work. |
| 05:30:01 | vogon_jeltz | can you trigger a netsplit? |
| 05:30:52 | BZFlag | you can dos attack the servers, but you need some serious bandwidth or a bunch of slave machines around the net. |
| 05:31:01 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 05:31:05 | vogon_jeltz | never mind then |
| 05:31:27 | BZFlag | what is paranoiamud anyway? |
| 05:31:38 | vogon_jeltz | it's going to be a MUD server for the RPG Paranoia... |
| 05:31:52 | vogon_jeltz | it's in an incredibly early planning stage |
| 05:32:16 | BZFlag | ahh. /me thinks that a java mud where the mod objects are java too would be coo. |
| 05:32:28 | vogon_jeltz | that'd be fun, but I don't know java... |
| 05:32:38 | BZFlag | it would have to be a glorfied java virtual machine. |
| 05:32:45 | vogon_jeltz | yep, prolly |
| 05:32:54 | vogon_jeltz | well, definitely |
| 05:33:13 | BZFlag | the advantage would be that many of them could be connected together. as your character moves from mud to mud, his classes do too. |
| 05:33:21 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 05:33:37 | vogon_jeltz | but, like I said, I don't know Java |
| 05:33:38 | captain_proton | you might be able to do something like that with RMI |
| 05:33:57 | vogon_jeltz | and anyway, characters in Paranoia don't live very long... 8-) |
| 05:34:15 | vogon_jeltz | the average lifespan of a character is one hour |
| 05:34:18 | BZFlag | and of course it makes it easy to send java classes to the browser, so there could be a java interface that had a 2d or 3d view. your character could look how you wanted it too. |
| 05:34:19 | vogon_jeltz | (game time) |
| 05:34:44 | captain_proton | you could have the classes be local, and just use RMI to have his classes 'move' |
| 05:34:56 | vogon_jeltz | well, I'm going to make a non-Telnet MUD server |
| 05:34:59 | BZFlag | that would work too. |
| 05:35:06 | BZFlag | web then? |
| 05:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | no, a specialized protocol |
| 05:35:22 | captain_proton | how about an IRC mud? |
| 05:35:43 | vogon_jeltz | sounds fun, but with a specialized protocol, you can extend the clients |
| 05:35:54 | vogon_jeltz | any way people write them |
| 05:35:59 | BZFlag | you've seen the java mud clients? I used to hang on diversity university. they have a telnet/web/vrml interface. |
| 05:36:08 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 05:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | I might check them out |
| 05:36:24 | captain_proton | vrml sucks |
| 05:36:31 | BZFlag | in java the people already _have_ the clients. |
| 05:36:44 | vogon_jeltz | but C++ is _faster_ |
| 05:36:53 | captain_proton | what the hell am I listening to? |
| 05:36:58 | BZFlag | you are worried about speed in a mud? ;-) |
| 05:37:16 | vogon_jeltz | Paranoia is a pretty quick-moving RPG |
| 05:37:40 | vogon_jeltz | and I'm trying to write it to be as expandable as possible... |
| 05:37:48 | BZFlag | stick the java classes in a sql database, handle the indexing/lookup in sql... |
| 05:37:50 | vogon_jeltz | with adventures and stuff parsed in |
| 05:37:59 | captain_proton | one of my friends wrote a mud base using dynamically loaded ELF's... |
| 05:38:11 | vogon_jeltz | so anybody with vi or emacs can write an adventure |
| 05:38:18 | vogon_jeltz | proton: you wanna help with the project? |
| 05:38:20 | BZFlag | send as many classes to the client for execution as you can and keep the server jvm to a minimum. |
| 05:38:57 | BZFlag | things like cron need to happen on the server, and there needs to be status updates sent back, but much of the actual execution would be in the client jvm. |
| 05:39:00 | vogon_jeltz | *doesn't know Java, and does not want to learn* |
| 05:39:11 | captain_proton | i might be interested, but I'm currently trying to figure out classes to take, working on bzedit and bzflag, porting a huge app and doing some consulting work on the side |
| 05:39:15 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 05:39:30 | vogon_jeltz | any small amount of time you could chip in would be appreciated, tho |
| 05:39:51 | vogon_jeltz | is currently the only game logic programmer for the project |
| 05:40:04 | captain_proton | i think i have some free time starting in 2009 |
| 05:40:09 | vogon_jeltz | larf |
| 05:40:10 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 05:40:12 | BZFlag | the server will have a java compiler, so folks can just edit the code and the server does the compiling. all the users need is a java capable browser. |
| 05:40:26 | vogon_jeltz | DOES NOT WANT TO LEARN JAVA |
| 05:40:36 | captain_proton | does not want to either |
| 05:40:58 | vogon_jeltz | welp, I already did, but at this stage, I'd have to relearn it |
| 05:41:20 | BZFlag | There are advantages. when you start inventing mud languages, you may feel differently. |
| 05:41:36 | captain_proton | i don't _really_ see the advantage of a dynamically reprogrammable mud |
| 05:41:36 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: OK, I'll keep that in mind |
| 05:41:48 | captain_proton | i wrote a cool mud shell once |
| 05:41:56 | vogon_jeltz | proton: Paranoia adventures are only really fun the first couple of times you play them |
| 05:42:20 | vogon_jeltz | but there are lots of adventures on the Internet and in print |
| 05:42:47 | BZFlag | most mud/moo code out there has syntax that looks like spagetti. very hard for new programmers to write useful new object. basing on an exising language take care of that and gains a hole set of books not to mention skilled programmers. |
| 05:43:15 | vogon_jeltz | but Paranoia is not your average, sorcerers-and-dragons RPG |
| 05:43:19 | captain_proton | actually, a dynamically reprogrammable mud would be cool if it reprogrammed *itself* |
| 05:43:21 | BZFlag | of the mud server itself is written in the same language as the characters, that lends to a natural progression of skill folk, |
| 05:43:37 | BZFlag | work on the world for a while, help out on the server when they get good enough. |
| 05:43:39 | captain_proton | there's a challenge for ya |
| 05:43:40 | | rumour has it paranoia is that feeling you get when people are out to get you or "The Role-Playing Game of a Darkly Humorous Future", created by Greg Costikyan, Dan Gelber, and many others, and published by West End Games in 1984 |
| 05:43:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: paranoia |
| 05:43:52 | | captain_proton: I forgot paranoia |
| 05:43:52 | captain_proton | ibot, forget paranoia |
| 05:44:02 | vogon_jeltz | slaps proton |
| 05:44:06 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 05:44:06 | captain_proton | ibot, paranoia is that feeling you get when people are out to get you|"The Role-Playing Game of a Darkly Humorous Future", created by Greg Costikyan, Dan Gelber, and many others, and published by West End Games in 1984 |
| 05:44:08 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:44:12 | captain_proton | hey! |
| 05:44:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton++ |
| 05:44:29 | | captain_proton has karma of -3 |
| 05:44:29 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma captain_proton |
| 05:44:32 | captain_proton | boo |
| 05:44:37 | | vogon_jeltz has neutral karma |
| 05:44:37 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma vogon_jeltz |
| 05:44:50 | captain_proton | ibot: vogon_jeltz-- |
| 05:44:51 | captain_proton | ibot: vogon_jeltz-- |
| 05:44:51 | captain_proton | ibot: vogon_jeltz-- |
| 05:44:52 | | timriker has neutral karma |
| 05:44:52 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma TimRiker |
| 05:44:53 | TimRiker | ibot BZFlag++ |
| 05:44:57 | TimRiker | ibot BZFlag++ |
| 05:44:57 | captain_proton | (just to clear that up) |
| 05:45:04 | TimRiker | ibot BZFlag++ |
| 05:45:07 | | me-- has neutral karma |
| 05:45:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma me-- |
| 05:45:08 | | me-- has neutral karma |
| 05:45:08 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma me-- |
| 05:45:08 | TimRiker | ibot BZFlag++ |
| 05:45:09 | | me-- has neutral karma |
| 05:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma me-- |
| 05:45:09 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:11 | | me-- has neutral karma |
| 05:45:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: karma me-- |
| 05:45:11 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:11 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:11 | TimRiker | ibot BZFlag++ |
| 05:45:11 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:11 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:11 | me | ibot captain_proton++ |
| 05:45:14 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:17 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:18 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:20 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:20 | | bzflag has karma of 8 |
| 05:45:20 | BZFlag | ibot: karma BZFlag |
| 05:45:22 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: me-- |
| 05:45:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:26 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:30 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:32 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:34 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:36 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:42 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:42 | captain_proton | boo |
| 05:45:43 | BZFlag | karma is lame if anyone can vote multiple times. |
| 05:45:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:46 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:47 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:45:48 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton-- |
| 05:45:50 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:45:52 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 05:46:06 | vogon_jeltz | but you did it too |
| 05:46:12 | vogon_jeltz | *for yourself* |
| 05:46:17 | | BZFlag: huh? |
| 05:46:17 | BZFlag | ibot should only allow karma changes from/to registered nicks after they have been on long enough to be the real users. |
| 05:46:52 | vogon_jeltz | proton: did you see "Loud Noises" on Leno? |
| 05:47:04 | BZFlag | and it should only take a user's 1-10 (example) rating for another user. not allow infinite ranking. |
| 05:47:06 | captain_proton | no i only watched about 5 minutes of it |
| 05:47:16 | | captain_proton has karma of -10 |
| 05:47:16 | captain_proton | ibot karma captain_proton |
| 05:47:22 | captain_proton | ok, i go neutral now |
| 05:47:30 | vogon_jeltz | neutral me, too |
| 05:47:34 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:34 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:35 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:35 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:36 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:36 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:37 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:39 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:41 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:43 | me | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:47:45 | | captain_proton has neutral karma |
| 05:47:45 | me | ibot, karma captain_proton |
| 05:48:00 | | vogon_jeltz has karma of -3 |
| 05:48:00 | me | ibot, karma vogon_jeltz |
| 05:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 05:48:07 | me | ibot, vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:48:07 | me | ibot, vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:48:08 | me | ibot, vogon_jeltz++ |
| 05:48:21 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 05:48:33 | | captain_proton has karma of 1 |
| 05:48:33 | captain_proton | ibot, karma captain_proton |
| 05:48:38 | | bzflag has karma of 8 |
| 05:48:38 | captain_proton | ibot, karma BZFlag |
| 05:48:43 | | timriker has neutral karma |
| 05:48:43 | captain_proton | ibot, karma TimRiker |
| 05:48:44 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:49:02 | | 'BZFlag' is 27% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:02 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer BZFlag |
| 05:49:05 | | 'TimRiker' is 0% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:05 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer TimRiker |
| 05:49:11 | vogon_jeltz | ??? |
| 05:49:14 | | 'ibot' is 0% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:14 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer ibot |
| 05:49:15 | vogon_jeltz | how does that work? |
| 05:49:25 | | 'vogon_jeltz' is 14% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:25 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer vogon_jeltz |
| 05:49:30 | | 'airborne' is 0% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:30 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer airborne |
| 05:49:40 | BZFlag | heh... |
| 05:49:45 | | c has karma of 125 |
| 05:49:45 | BZFlag | ibot: karma c |
| 05:49:49 | | 'loser' is 62% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:49:49 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer loser |
| 05:49:54 | | 'captain_proton' is 14% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:49:54 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer captain_proton |
| 05:50:05 | BZFlag | gotta love that c++ input. |
| 05:50:13 | | '-=[14m3r]=-' is 99.85% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:50:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer -=[14m3r]=- |
| 05:50:17 | vogon_jeltz | woohoo! |
| 05:50:37 | | '-=[vogon-jeltz]=-' is 99.88% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:50:37 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -=[vogon-jeltz]=- |
| 05:50:41 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:50:50 | | '-=[captain-proton]=-' is 99.88% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:50:50 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer -=[captain-proton]=- |
| 05:51:02 | | '-=[***]=-' is 99.9847% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:51:02 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -=[***]=- |
| 05:51:13 | | '-=[c4p741n_pr070n]=-' is 99.9554% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:51:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer -=[c4p741n_pr070n]=- |
| 05:51:18 | vogon_jeltz | hrm |
| 05:51:18 | captain_proton | i win |
| 05:51:28 | vogon_jeltz | renick to that |
| 05:51:39 | | '---=[c4p741n_pr070n]=---' is 99.9839% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:51:39 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ---=[c4p741n_pr070n]=--- |
| 05:52:01 | | '---=[***]=---' is 99.992562% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:52:01 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer ---=[***]=--- |
| 05:52:08 | | '--------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=--------' is 99.995290% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:52:08 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=-------- |
| 05:52:17 | | '------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=------------' is 99.996722% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:52:17 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=------------ |
| 05:52:22 | vogon_jeltz | victory |
| 05:52:23 | | '-------------------=[***]=--------------------' is 99.996430% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:52:23 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -------------------=[***]=-------------------- |
| 05:52:37 | | '-----------------=[***]=------------------' is 99.996379% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:52:37 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -----------------=[***]=------------------ |
| 05:52:38 | | '----------------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=----------------------' is 99.997594% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:52:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ----------------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=---------------------- |
| 05:52:49 | | '--------------------------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=--------------------------------' is 99.997807% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:52:49 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------=[c4p741n_pr070n]=-------------------------------- |
| 05:52:50 | | '-----------------=[*!*]=------------------' is 99.996379% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:52:50 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -----------------=[*!*]=------------------ |
| 05:53:02 | | '--------------------------------=[]=--------------------------------' is 99.996579% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:53:02 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------=[]=-------------------------------- |
| 05:53:16 | | '--------------------------------=[i_4m_1337]=--------------------------------' is 99.997754% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:53:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------=[i_4m_1337]=-------------------------------- |
| 05:53:23 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:53:28 | vogon_jeltz | yes, it is lame |
| 05:53:31 | | '-----------------=<v06oN_J317z>=------------------' is 99.997308% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:53:31 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -----------------=<v06oN_J317z>=------------------ |
| 05:53:42 | | bzflag has karma of 30368 |
| 05:53:42 | BZFlag | ibot: karma bzflag |
| 05:53:46 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 05:53:54 | | '-----------------=<[v06oN_J317z]>=------------------' is 99.997366% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:53:54 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer -----------------=<[v06oN_J317z]>=------------------ |
| 05:53:56 | BZFlag | heh, who says you can't karma yourself. |
| 05:54:11 | captain_proton | brb |
| 05:54:27 | | bzflag has karma of 30368 |
| 05:54:27 | BZFlag | ibot: karma bzflag |
| 05:54:34 | | '--------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>-------------------------------------------------------' is 99.997960% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:54:34 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>------------------------------------------------------- |
| 05:54:45 | | '--------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>-------------------------------------------------------' is 99.997960% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:54:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>------------------------------------------------------- |
| 05:54:51 | | '--------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr07oN])>-------------------------------------------------------' is 99.997959% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:54:51 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr07oN])>------------------------------------------------------- |
| 05:55:05 | | '--------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>=-------------------------------------------------------' is 99.997962% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:55:05 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------------------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>=------------------------------------------------------- |
| 05:55:47 | | '-1337-1337-1337-----------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>=----------------------------------------1337-1337-1337-' is 99.997978% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:55:47 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer -1337-1337-1337-----------------------------------=<([C4P74iN_Pr070N])>=----------------------------------------1337-1337-1337- |
| 05:55:58 | vogon_jeltz | now, that is a lame nick |
| 05:56:20 | vogon_jeltz | if only you could forcibly renick other users |
| 05:57:56 | | '1337' is 95.01% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:57:56 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer 1337 |
| 05:58:15 | | '--=<({[1337]})>=--' is 99.9870% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:58:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --=<({[1337]})>=-- |
| 05:58:41 | | '3133+' is 97.42% lame, captain_proton |
| 05:58:41 | captain_proton | ibot nickometer 3133+ |
| 05:58:44 | | '--=<({[1337]})>=--' is 99.9870% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:58:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --=<({[1337]})>=-- |
| 05:58:58 | captain_proton | '--=<({[3133+]})>=-- |
| 05:58:59 | | '--=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=--' is 99.9895% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:58:59 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=-- |
| 05:59:06 | | '----=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=----' is 99.993894% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:06 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ----=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=---- |
| 05:59:11 | | '------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------' is 99.995533% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------ |
| 05:59:15 | | '--------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=--------' is 99.996335% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=-------- |
| 05:59:19 | BZFlag | get that irc mud done and perhaps you can. ;-) |
| 05:59:20 | | '----------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=----------' is 99.996791% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:20 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ----------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=---------- |
| 05:59:26 | | '------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------------' is 99.997076% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:26 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------------ |
| 05:59:30 | captain_proton | thinks this channel died when tim started spewing about a java mud |
| 05:59:31 | | '--------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=--------------' is 99.997268% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer --------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=-------------- |
| 05:59:36 | | '----------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=----------------' is 99.997404% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:36 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ----------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=---------------- |
| 05:59:42 | | '------------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------------------' is 99.997503% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 05:59:42 | vogon_jeltz | ibot nickometer ------------------=<({[13373r_D4n_J00]})>=------------------ |
| 05:59:59 | captain_proton | thank you |
| 06:00:01 | vogon_jeltz | wtf? |
| 06:00:04 | BZFlag | heh |
| 06:00:13 | captain_proton | goes back to coding |
| 06:00:16 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I'll stop... |
| 06:00:17 | vogon_jeltz | 8-( |
| 06:00:31 | BZFlag | if you must, then /msg ibot. ;-) |
| 06:01:05 | BZFlag | I'm just joking anyway, I would not ban someone unless there was no civil way to handle it. |
| 06:02:56 | captain_proton | starts playing some Sibelius and announces that the new BaseBuilding class is written |
| 06:03:26 | captain_proton | i somehow managed to get an ibot tab in xchat... |
| 06:03:28 | vogon_jeltz | cool |
| 06:03:40 | captain_proton | i have no idea how :) |
| 06:09:22 | | hi, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:09:22 | vogon_jeltz | hi, ibot |
| 06:09:38 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: yep, it was you that killed ibot. I don't know why though. something you /msg'ed him. |
| 06:09:43 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 06:09:50 | vogon_jeltz | he must have died on my lamest nick yet |
| 06:10:02 | vogon_jeltz | it was so lame, it wasn't funny |
| 06:10:52 | vogon_jeltz | I have a hunch |
| 06:11:01 | | 'vogonjeltz' is 0% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:11:01 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer vogonjeltz |
| 06:11:07 | | 'VogonJeltz' is 0% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:11:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer VogonJeltz |
| 06:11:21 | | 'VOGonJeltz' is 75% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:11:21 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer VOGonJeltz |
| 06:11:27 | | 'VOGonjeltz' is 27% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:11:27 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer VOGonjeltz |
| 06:11:37 | vogon_jeltz | mmhmm, 9% lame for each consecutive cap |
| 06:11:54 | vogon_jeltz | 14% for each non-alphanumeric |
| 06:12:18 | vogon_jeltz | decreasing with the square root of lameness |
| 06:12:44 | | 'vogonj3ltz' is 31% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:12:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer vogonj3ltz |
| 06:13:07 | vogon_jeltz | it also seems to put more emphasis on things that stick out |
| 06:13:10 | captain_proton | goes to integrate BaseBuilding with Scene* |
| 06:13:13 | vogon_jeltz | like one 1337 letter in a nick |
| 06:13:51 | vogon_jeltz | I wonder... maybe I pushed it too far, taking it beyond single-precision, causing a divide by zero |
| 06:14:54 | vogon_jeltz | is tired of psychoanalyzing an IRC bot, so he gets some chips |
| 06:16:34 | captain_proton | checks protocol to see why bases have 1 extra float |
| 06:16:46 | vogon_jeltz | safety positions |
| 06:16:59 | vogon_jeltz | for flag-dropping purposes |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | (bases have no z-size, so actually, it should be 2 extra floats) |
| 06:17:48 | captain_proton | true |
| 06:18:04 | captain_proton | what do the safety positions mean??? |
| 06:18:17 | vogon_jeltz | so if you drop a team flag on your base, it doesn't count as capturing it |
| 06:18:31 | vogon_jeltz | (the flag flies to the outside edge) |
| 06:18:53 | captain_proton | why is there a safety-z? |
| 06:19:07 | vogon_jeltz | so elevated bases can have dropped flags land below them |
| 06:19:20 | captain_proton | ahhhh |
| 06:19:45 | captain_proton | wouldn't those just be the same as the base size(x,y) & position(z)? |
| 06:19:47 | vogon_jeltz | my guess is that either Tim or Chris meant to insert elevated bases, but either forgot to, or left it for later version |
| 06:19:50 | vogon_jeltz | s |
| 06:20:23 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: no, not necessarily |
| 06:20:30 | captain_proton | are they used in the client??? |
| 06:20:35 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 06:20:42 | captain_proton | shit |
| 06:20:48 | vogon_jeltz | but not for rendering |
| 06:21:04 | captain_proton | ok, time for a certified mess |
| 06:21:08 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: left it for later. |
| 06:21:18 | vogon_jeltz | yep, thought so |
| 06:21:21 | captain_proton | we keep the old base stuff for compatibility with the rest of the code |
| 06:21:35 | vogon_jeltz | proton: no, you don't need to include safety positions |
| 06:21:42 | vogon_jeltz | proton: they don't have any rendering analogue |
| 06:21:54 | BZFlag | the new client code should handle old and new servers, |
| 06:21:55 | captain_proton | but are they used _elsewhere_ in the client??? |
| 06:21:59 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 06:22:05 | vogon_jeltz | for flag renderign |
| 06:22:05 | captain_proton | thats what I feared |
| 06:22:08 | vogon_jeltz | rendering |
| 06:22:17 | vogon_jeltz | y? |
| 06:22:28 | BZFlag | the new server code should work for random ctf worlds, just nor for ctf from file. |
| 06:22:39 | vogon_jeltz | it's new client code |
| 06:22:40 | BZFlag | so the old code does not need to live on, right? |
| 06:22:58 | captain_proton | because i need to add that capability to my BaseBuilding |
| 06:23:34 | captain_proton | what do you think is a good defulat z-size for elevated bases? |
| 06:23:41 | vogon_jeltz | proton: safety positions are not needed for rendering; they can be kept where they are and BaseBuildings can be instantiated as needed, right? |
| 06:23:46 | vogon_jeltz | proton: 1.0, prolly |
| 06:23:59 | vogon_jeltz | proton: actually, about 2.0 should be right |
| 06:24:11 | captain_proton | the thing is, I was hoping to dispense with the old base implementation |
| 06:24:15 | vogon_jeltz | don't |
| 06:24:26 | vogon_jeltz | you'll break a hell of a lot more code than if you don't |
| 06:24:27 | captain_proton | ok - that makes my job easier and the code uglier |
| 06:24:50 | vogon_jeltz | yes, that's how most programmers work |
| 06:25:51 | vogon_jeltz | you're already having to tell a non-sentient machine how to work, so why not take the easy way out? |
| 06:27:00 | vogon_jeltz | that's why they invented FIXMEs, code reuse, and cut-and-paste |
| 06:28:58 | captain_proton | i'm working on that sentience thing... |
| 06:29:13 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 06:29:23 | vogon_jeltz | hope you have one hell of a CPU |
| 06:29:49 | captain_proton | i'll write a d.net client |
| 06:29:55 | vogon_jeltz | Moore's Law will have to come and go about 6 or 7 times before digital sentience arises |
| 06:30:22 | captain_proton | how exactly do you define sentience? |
| 06:30:29 | vogon_jeltz | which means you better preorder a 128GHz processor |
| 06:30:34 | vogon_jeltz | sentience is the ability to think rationally |
| 06:30:49 | vogon_jeltz | and make value judgements and be self-aware |
| 06:32:58 | vogon_jeltz | wait, never mind, make that 60 or 70 times |
| 06:33:01 | captain_proton | Sentient, a. Having a faculty, or faculties, of sensation and perception. |
| 06:34:20 | captain_proton | sounds simple enough to me |
| 06:34:33 | vogon_jeltz | proton: I've done a *very* involved project on artificial intelligence for high school |
| 06:34:39 | vogon_jeltz | I know what I'm talking about |
| 06:34:44 | captain_proton | so do I :) |
| 06:34:56 | captain_proton | i know that _real_ AI won't be around for a very long time |
| 06:35:21 | vogon_jeltz | the complete simulation of a human brain will require a computer capable of tracking billions of chemical reactions every second |
| 06:35:28 | vogon_jeltz | (if not more) |
| 06:35:37 | captain_proton | but it will soon get to the point where computers will be 'fooling all of the people most of the time' |
| 06:35:42 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 06:35:50 | vogon_jeltz | but it's still not intelligent |
| 06:36:00 | captain_proton | but it is somewhat |
| 06:36:05 | captain_proton | heard about intelligent agents? |
| 06:36:07 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 06:36:09 | captain_proton | they know what they're doing |
| 06:36:14 | vogon_jeltz | they suck wind right now, though |
| 06:36:16 | captain_proton | they can make decisions |
| 06:36:28 | vogon_jeltz | they're only capable of making decisions based on simple heuristics |
| 06:36:38 | captain_proton | not necessarily |
| 06:36:43 | vogon_jeltz | um, yeah |
| 06:37:18 | captain_proton | i just read a paper about a combination of stochastic reasoning & neural networks to predict outcomes of decisions |
| 06:37:32 | captain_proton | based on previous experience, of course |
| 06:37:38 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but those are still working on simple heuristics |
| 06:37:48 | vogon_jeltz | neural networks can be simulated quite simply |
| 06:37:55 | vogon_jeltz | it's the learning that takes time |
| 06:38:11 | captain_proton | yes, but *it makes decisions based on the predicted outcome and its previous experience* |
| 06:38:12 | vogon_jeltz | I have a textbook on artificial intelligence and neural networks |
| 06:38:19 | captain_proton | I think that's about how we do it |
| 06:38:35 | vogon_jeltz | its previous experience is entirely based on numbers |
| 06:38:49 | captain_proton | its _stored_ as numbers |
| 06:38:49 | vogon_jeltz | they're just numbers being shuffled around in registers |
| 06:39:05 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but does it have the capability to improve the algorithms it uses? |
| 06:39:06 | captain_proton | and we think by chemicals being shuffled around in neurons |
| 06:39:30 | captain_proton | you could add a genetic algorithm algorithm to it without a huge amount of trouble |
| 06:39:31 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but our brain can create new connections based on experience |
| 06:39:42 | vogon_jeltz | proton: no, you can't |
| 06:39:45 | captain_proton | so can neural networks |
| 06:39:54 | vogon_jeltz | proton: no |
| 06:40:02 | captain_proton | what book you got? |
| 06:40:15 | vogon_jeltz | proton: never mind... |
| 06:40:23 | vogon_jeltz | proton: it's obvious you won't give up |
| 06:40:28 | vogon_jeltz | proton: so, fine, you're right |
| 06:40:33 | vogon_jeltz | 8-P |
| 06:40:36 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:40:43 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz++ |
| 06:40:48 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 06:40:53 | | captain_proton: what? |
| 06:40:53 | captain_proton | ibot fell asleep |
| 06:40:59 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz++ |
| 06:41:07 | vogon_jeltz | no, karma adjustments produce no output |
| 06:41:12 | captain_proton | oh |
| 06:41:14 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz-- |
| 06:41:15 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:41:17 | captain_proton | forgot about that |
| 06:41:22 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton-- |
| 06:41:27 | vogon_jeltz | tsk, tsk |
| 06:41:34 | vogon_jeltz | but for the AI thing, |
| 06:41:35 | captain_proton | hey - just undoing the extra! |
| 06:41:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton++ |
| 06:42:02 | vogon_jeltz | hey - just disparaging you for forgetting how to work ibot |
| 06:42:14 | captain_proton | my mind has shifted |
| 06:42:39 | vogon_jeltz | woah, BZFlag hasn't talked for 20 minutes |
| 06:43:10 | vogon_jeltz | proton: ooh, Conan O'Brien's driving his desk thru NYC |
| 06:43:36 | captain_proton | after the day, please be careful when talking to people, as the contents of your mind may have shifted. As you know, these ideas can be heavy and awkward, so take care not to make yourself look like an idiot |
| 06:43:57 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:48:32 | captain_proton | sig: xchat 1.4.2, tim: xchat 1.6.4, me: xchat 1.8.0 :) |
| 06:48:43 | vogon_jeltz | must get new XChat.... ahhhh! |
| 06:49:17 | captain_proton | mine's part of ximian |
| 06:49:27 | captain_proton | you might be able to just get that package |
| 06:49:34 | vogon_jeltz | I'm getting xchat 1.8.2 |
| 06:49:41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:49:45 | captain_proton | has a headache |
| 06:51:17 | vogon_jeltz | once I learn the OpenGL API, I'm going to write in a Railgun for BZFlag |
| 06:51:33 | vogon_jeltz | it'll be like a laser, except it won't be everywhere at once |
| 06:51:48 | captain_proton | ? |
| 06:52:08 | vogon_jeltz | it'll be like a laser (just as fast), but it'll be a projectile |
| 06:52:16 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 06:52:23 | captain_proton | infinite speed? on a projectile? |
| 06:52:36 | captain_proton | http://nehe.gamedev.net |
| 06:52:37 | vogon_jeltz | no, lasers don't have inf. speed |
| 06:52:44 | vogon_jeltz | only 1000x speed |
| 06:52:59 | vogon_jeltz | some students at MIT made a railgun... |
| 06:53:05 | vogon_jeltz | out of spare lab supplies |
| 06:53:20 | vogon_jeltz | it only fires at about 200 fps, tho |
| 06:53:26 | vogon_jeltz | leaves: upgrading XChat |
| 06:54:37 | vogon_jeltz | hey |
| 06:55:01 | captain_proton | hey |
| 06:55:43 | captain_proton | you should check out that web site |
| 06:55:53 | vogon_jeltz | y? |
| 06:56:03 | vogon_jeltz | wot is it about? |
| 06:56:32 | vogon_jeltz | leaves: setting up an IRC proxy |
| 06:56:37 | vogon_jeltz | brb |
| 07:04:41 | vogon_jeltz | welp, the list that I found of public IRC proxies is down |
| 07:05:08 | captain_proton | you need to look at that web site |
| 07:05:29 | vogon_jeltz | addy? |
| 07:05:34 | vogon_jeltz | what is it, btw? |
| 07:05:35 | captain_proton | nehe.gamedev.net |
| 07:05:39 | captain_proton | you wanted to learn GL? |
| 07:05:43 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 07:05:49 | captain_proton | that's the place to do it |
| 07:06:08 | captain_proton | is tired |
| 07:07:14 | vogon_jeltz | 'll read the tutorials tomorrow |
| 07:07:38 | captain_proton | better allocate more time than that |
| 07:07:43 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 07:07:52 | vogon_jeltz | I'll *start* reading them tomorrow |
| 07:08:06 | captain_proton | these tutorials are *huge* |
| 07:08:34 | captain_proton | where are you during the day? |
| 07:08:47 | vogon_jeltz | home, on summer vacation |
| 07:08:59 | captain_proton | not online? |
| 07:09:10 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I'm online most of the time |
| 07:09:30 | captain_proton | just not playing bz or on irc until later(?) |
| 07:09:37 | vogon_jeltz | sometimes |
| 07:09:53 | vogon_jeltz | other times I'll be playing a morning game of BZ |
| 07:09:55 | captain_proton | i've never seen you on before 7 (6 your time) |
| 07:10:04 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 07:10:27 | captain_proton | needs to go to bed |
| 07:10:37 | vogon_jeltz | cya |
| 07:10:48 | captain_proton | not yet |
| 07:10:51 | captain_proton | i said i need to |
| 07:10:56 | captain_proton | not i'm going :) |
| 07:11:01 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 07:11:59 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... #paranoiamud has the longest topic of them all |
| 07:12:07 | captain_proton | 'you can lead a whore to Vasser, but you can't make her think' |
| 07:12:13 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:16:19 | captain_proton | time to feed you offensive fortunes |
| 07:17:19 | captain_proton | If life's a piece of shit, Calculus III is the spoon. |
| 07:18:00 | | No luck, BZFlag |
| 07:18:00 | BZFlag | ibot: insult captain_proton |
| 07:18:22 | captain_proton | i'm just bored & overtired and feel like pasting |
| 07:18:39 | BZFlag | ahh |
| 07:18:49 | | BZFlag: Chewing gum on /dev/sd3c |
| 07:18:49 | BZFlag | ibot: excuse |
| 07:19:06 | captain_proton | ibot, help |
| 07:19:37 | captain_proton | what does excuse do??? |
| 07:20:09 | captain_proton | what is the contour integral around western europe?? |
| 07:20:14 | | vogon_jeltz: _Rosin_ core solder? But... |
| 07:20:14 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: excuse |
| 07:20:29 | vogon_jeltz | is away: _Rosin_ core solder? But... |
| 07:20:43 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:00:14) |
| 07:20:47 | captain_proton | zero, because all the Poles are in eastern europe! |
| 07:20:52 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 07:21:14 | vogon_jeltz | now, that was possibly the dumbest joke ever... |
| 07:21:32 | captain_proton | i quite like it... |
| 07:21:40 | vogon_jeltz | what's the yellow light dealybob before some people's nicks? |
| 07:21:51 | vogon_jeltz | (just wondering) |
| 07:22:03 | captain_proton | Eleven reasons a cucumber is better than a man: |
| 07:22:03 | captain_proton | 1) Cucumbers can stay up all night, |
| 07:22:03 | captain_proton | and you won't have to sleep in the wet spot. |
| 07:22:04 | captain_proton | 2) Cucumbers don't play the guitar and try to find themselves. |
| 07:22:04 | captain_proton | 3) You won't find out later that your cucumber |
| 07:22:04 | captain_proton | ...is married |
| 07:22:06 | captain_proton | ...is on penicillin |
| 07:22:08 | captain_proton | ...likes you -- but loves your brother! |
| 07:22:10 | captain_proton | 4) A cucumber won't care what time of the month it is. |
| 07:22:12 | captain_proton | 5) A cucumber never wants to get it on when your nails are wet. |
| 07:22:14 | captain_proton | 6) Cucumbers don't say "Let's keep trying until we have a boy". |
| 07:22:16 | captain_proton | 7) Cucumbers won't tell you size doesn't count. |
| 07:22:18 | captain_proton | 8) A cucumber won't leave you for a cheerleader or an ex-nun. |
| 07:22:20 | captain_proton | 9) Cucumbers don't fall asleep on your chest or drool on the pillow. |
| 07:22:22 | captain_proton | 10) Cucumbers don't care if you make more money than they do. |
| 07:22:24 | captain_proton | 11) With a cucumber, the toilet seat is always the way you left it. |
| 07:24:23 | captain_proton | Q:What is green and comes in Brownies? |
| 07:24:23 | captain_proton | A:Boy Scouts. |
| 07:24:24 | vogon_jeltz | needs to wake vasudeva up |
| 07:24:31 | vogon_jeltz | that's wrong |
| 07:24:35 | vogon_jeltz | very wrong |
| 07:24:44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:24:50 | captain_proton | Girls who put out are tramps. Girls who don't are ladies. This is, |
| 07:24:50 | captain_proton | however, a rather archaic use of the word. Should one of you boys happen |
| 07:24:50 | captain_proton | upon a girl who doesn't put out, do not jump to the conclusion that you |
| 07:24:51 | captain_proton | have found a lady. What you have probably found is a lesbian. |
| 07:24:59 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:25:09 | vogon_jeltz | also wrong, but funny |
| 07:25:41 | captain_proton | You are having lunch with a prospective vendor talking about what could be |
| 07:25:41 | captain_proton | your best deal of the year. During the conversation a blonde walks into |
| 07:25:42 | captain_proton | the restaurant and she is so stunning you draw your companion's attention |
| 07:25:42 | captain_proton | to her and give a vivid description of what you would do if you had her alone |
| 07:25:42 | captain_proton | in your hotel. She walks over to your table and the vendor introduces her as |
| 07:25:42 | captain_proton | his daughter. Your next move is to: |
| 07:25:44 | captain_proton | (a) Ask for her hand in marriage. |
| 07:25:46 | captain_proton | (b) Pass out and hope for sympathy. |
| 07:25:48 | captain_proton | (c) Forget the business; repeat the conversation to the |
| 07:25:50 | captain_proton | daughter and get her number. |
| 07:25:52 | captain_proton | (d) Turn red and slink off into the men's room. |
| 07:26:10 | captain_proton | |
| 07:26:16 | captain_proton | Q:How many heterosexual males does it take to screw in a light |
| 07:26:16 | captain_proton | bulb, in San Fransisco? |
| 07:26:16 | captain_proton | A:Both of them. |
| 07:26:22 | captain_proton | i like fortune |
| 07:26:45 | vogon_jeltz | >One basic notion underlying Usenet is that it is a cooperative. |
| 07:26:45 | vogon_jeltz | Having been on USENET for going on ten years, I disagree with this. |
| 07:26:45 | vogon_jeltz | The basic notion underlying USENET is the flame. |
| 07:26:45 | vogon_jeltz | -- Chuq Von Rospach, chuq@Apple.COM |
| 07:27:12 | vogon_jeltz | MOCK APPLE PIE (No Apples Needed) |
| 07:27:12 | vogon_jeltz | Pastry to two crust 9-inch pie 36 RITZ Crackers |
| 07:27:13 | vogon_jeltz | 2 cups water 2 cups sugar |
| 07:27:13 | vogon_jeltz | 2 teaspoons cream of tartar 2 tablespoons lemon juice |
| 07:27:13 | vogon_jeltz | Grated rind of one lemon Butter or margarine |
| 07:27:13 | vogon_jeltz | Cinnamon |
| 07:27:15 | vogon_jeltz | Roll out bottom crust of pastry and fit into 9-inch pie plate. Break |
| 07:27:17 | vogon_jeltz | RITZ Crackers coarsely into pastry-lined plate. Combine water, sugar |
| 07:27:19 | vogon_jeltz | and cream of tartar in saucepan, boil gently for 15 minutes. Add lemon |
| 07:27:21 | vogon_jeltz | juice and rind. Cool. Pour this syrup over Crackers, dot generously |
| 07:27:23 | vogon_jeltz | with butter or margarine and sprinkle with cinnamon. Cover with top |
| 07:27:25 | vogon_jeltz | crust. Trim and flute edges together. Cut slits in top crust to let |
| 07:27:27 | vogon_jeltz | steam escape. Bake in a hot oven (425 F) 30 to 35 minutes, until crust |
| 07:27:29 | vogon_jeltz | is crisp and golden. Serve warm. Cut into 6 to 8 slices. |
| 07:27:31 | vogon_jeltz | -- Found lurking on a Ritz Crackers box |
| 07:27:56 | vogon_jeltz | |
| 07:27:58 | captain_proton | A pederastic necrophiliac is a gentleman who is |
| 07:27:58 | captain_proton | true to the very end of the end of a friend. |
| 07:28:24 | vogon_jeltz | where do you get those? |
| 07:28:37 | captain_proton | i have all the offensive fortune databases |
| 07:28:43 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | PLAYGIRL, Inc. |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | Philadelphia, Pa. 19369 |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | Dear Sir: |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | Your name has been submitted to us with your photo. I regret to |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | inform you that we will be unable to use your body in our centerfold. On |
| 07:28:59 | captain_proton | a scale of one to ten, your body was rated a minus two by a panel of women |
| 07:29:01 | captain_proton | ranging in age from 60 to 75 years. We tried to assemble a panel in the |
| 07:29:03 | captain_proton | age bracket of 25 to 35 years, but we could not get them to stop laughing |
| 07:29:05 | captain_proton | long enough to reach a decision. Should the taste of the American woman |
| 07:29:07 | captain_proton | ever change so drastically that bodies such as yours would be appropriate |
| 07:29:09 | captain_proton | in our magazine, you will be notified by this office. Please, don't call |
| 07:29:11 | captain_proton | us. |
| 07:29:13 | captain_proton | Sympathetically, |
| 07:29:15 | captain_proton | Amanda L. Smith |
| 07:29:17 | captain_proton | p.s.We also want to commend you for your unusual pose. Were you |
| 07:29:19 | captain_proton | wounded in the war, or do you ride your bike a lot? |
| 07:29:46 | vogon_jeltz | Where there's a will, there's a relative. |
| 07:31:00 | captain_proton | Hardly a pure science, history is closer to animal husbandry than it is to |
| 07:31:00 | captain_proton | mathematics, in that it involves selective breeding. The principal difference |
| 07:31:00 | captain_proton | between the husbandryman and the historian is that the former breeds sheep |
| 07:31:00 | captain_proton | or cows or such, and the latter breeds (assumed) facts. The husbandryman uses |
| 07:31:01 | captain_proton | his skills to enrich the future; the historian uses his to enrich the past. |
| 07:31:01 | captain_proton | Both are usually up to their ankles in bullshit. |
| 07:31:03 | captain_proton | -- Tom Robbins |
| 07:31:18 | vogon_jeltz | laughs loudly |
| 07:31:34 | vogon_jeltz | Algol-60 surely must be regarded as the most important programming language |
| 07:31:34 | vogon_jeltz | yet developed. |
| 07:31:34 | vogon_jeltz | -- T. Cheatham |
| 07:32:27 | vogon_jeltz | |
| 07:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | I/O, I/O, |
| 07:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | It's off to disk I go, |
| 07:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | A bit or byte to read or write, |
| 07:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | I/O, I/O, I/O... |
| 07:33:22 | vogon_jeltz | |
| 07:33:23 | vogon_jeltz | FORTUNE DISCUSSES THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN: #16 |
| 07:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | Relationships: |
| 07:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | First of all, a man does not call a relationship a relationship -- he |
| 07:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | refers to it as "that time when me and Suzie were doing it on a semi-regular |
| 07:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | basis". |
| 07:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | When a relationship ends, a woman will cry and pour her heart out to |
| 07:33:27 | vogon_jeltz | her girlfriends, and she will write a poem titled "All Men Are Idiots". Then |
| 07:33:29 | vogon_jeltz | she will get on with her life. |
| 07:33:30 | vogon_jeltz | A man has a little more trouble letting go. Six months after the |
| 07:33:33 | vogon_jeltz | breakup, at 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday night, he will call and say, "I just |
| 07:33:35 | vogon_jeltz | wanted to let you know you ruined my life, and I'll never forgive you, and I |
| 07:33:37 | vogon_jeltz | hate you, and you're a total floozy. But I want you to know that there's |
| 07:33:39 | vogon_jeltz | always a chance for us". This is known as the "I Hate You / I Love You" |
| 07:33:41 | vogon_jeltz | drunken phone call, that 99% if all men have made at least once. There are |
| 07:33:43 | vogon_jeltz | community colleges that offer courses to help men get over this need; alas, |
| 07:33:44 | vogon_jeltz | these classes rarely prove effective. |
| 07:33:52 | captain_proton | So hows your love life? Still holding your own? |
| 07:33:58 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:34:10 | vogon_jeltz | I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. |
| 07:34:19 | vogon_jeltz | Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot? |
| 07:34:39 | captain_proton | A hardware debugger named Court |
| 07:34:40 | captain_proton | Shoved his tool in an Ethernet port. |
| 07:34:40 | captain_proton | But its buffer array |
| 07:34:40 | captain_proton | Only handled 1K, |
| 07:34:40 | captain_proton | So the port's driver cut it off short. |
| 07:34:59 | vogon_jeltz | Although golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight Protestants, |
| 07:34:59 | vogon_jeltz | today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. |
| 07:34:59 | vogon_jeltz | -- Dave Barry |
| 07:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | A Code of Honour: never approach a friend's girlfriend or wife with mischief |
| 07:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | as your goal. There are too many women in the world to justify that sort of |
| 07:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | dishonourable behaviour. Unless she's really attractive. |
| 07:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | -- Bruce J. Friedman, "Sex and the Lonely Guy" |
| 07:35:47 | vogon_jeltz | "Sheriff, we gotta catch Black Bart." |
| 07:35:48 | vogon_jeltz | "Oh, yeah? What's he look like?" |
| 07:35:48 | vogon_jeltz | "Well, he's wearin' a paper hat, a paper shirt, paper pants and |
| 07:35:48 | vogon_jeltz | paper boots." |
| 07:35:48 | vogon_jeltz | "What's he wanted for?" |
| 07:35:48 | vogon_jeltz | "Rustling." |
| 07:35:58 | vogon_jeltz | This planet has -- or rather had -- a problem, which was this: most of |
| 07:35:58 | vogon_jeltz | the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many |
| 07:35:58 | vogon_jeltz | solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were |
| 07:35:58 | vogon_jeltz | largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, |
| 07:35:59 | vogon_jeltz | which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of |
| 07:36:01 | vogon_jeltz | paper that were unhappy. |
| 07:36:03 | vogon_jeltz | -- Douglas Adams |
| 07:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | Q: What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? |
| 07:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | A: A stick. |
| 07:36:23 | vogon_jeltz | Man who falls in vat of molten optical glass makes spectacle of self. |
| 07:36:38 | vogon_jeltz | Q: What do you call 15 blondes in a circle? |
| 07:36:38 | vogon_jeltz | A: A dope ring. |
| 07:36:38 | vogon_jeltz | Q: Why do blondes put their hair in ponytails? |
| 07:36:38 | vogon_jeltz | A: To cover up the valve stem. |
| 07:37:04 | captain_proton | A guy comes into a bar with a frog and sets it down next to the prettiest |
| 07:37:04 | captain_proton | girl there. |
| 07:37:05 | captain_proton | "This is a very special frog," he informs her. "His name is Charlie." |
| 07:37:05 | captain_proton | "What's so special about this frog?" she asks. |
| 07:37:05 | captain_proton | He's reluctant to tell her, but when pressed, explains that, |
| 07:37:05 | captain_proton | "This frog can eat pussy." |
| 07:37:07 | captain_proton | The girl slaps him, knocking him off his chair, and accuses him of telling her |
| 07:37:09 | captain_proton | a filthy lie. But no, he assures her, it's completely true. And after much |
| 07:37:11 | captain_proton | discussion, she agrees to come back to his apartment to see the frog in action. |
| 07:37:13 | captain_proton | She positions herself appropriately, the guy carefully takes out the frog, and |
| 07:37:15 | captain_proton | says, "Okay, Charlie, do your stuff!" The frog is immobile, despite his |
| 07:37:17 | captain_proton | owner's exhortations, and the girl starts to snicker. |
| 07:37:19 | captain_proton | "Okay, Charlie, do your stuff!" |
| 07:37:21 | captain_proton | "C'mon Charlie, do your stuff!" |
| 07:37:23 | captain_proton | By now, the girl is laughing openly. |
| 07:37:25 | captain_proton | "Okay, Charlie," says the guy, moving the frog out of the way, "I'm |
| 07:37:27 | captain_proton | only going to show you one more time." |
| 07:37:29 | captain_proton | And Jesus said unto them, "And whom do you say that I am?" |
| 07:37:31 | captain_proton | They replied, "You are the eschatological manifestation of the |
| 07:37:33 | captain_proton | ground of our being, the ontological foundation of the context of our |
| 07:37:35 | captain_proton | very selfhood revealed." |
| 07:37:37 | captain_proton | And Jesus replied, "What?" |
| 07:38:03 | captain_proton | |
| 07:38:04 | vogon_jeltz | Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. |
| 07:38:04 | vogon_jeltz | -- Herbert Hoover |
| 07:38:12 | captain_proton | There are two couples that want to convert to Catholicism. They go |
| 07:38:13 | captain_proton | and see a priest and he tells them that the first requirement is to abstain |
| 07:38:13 | captain_proton | from sex for thirty days. |
| 07:38:13 | captain_proton | Thirty days later, the couples come back to see the priest. He asks |
| 07:38:13 | captain_proton | the first couple if they passed the test. |
| 07:38:13 | captain_proton | "Father, we didn't so much as TOUCH one another during the last month. |
| 07:38:15 | captain_proton | "Congratulations," the priest replies, "you are now qualified to enter |
| 07:38:17 | captain_proton | the Church." Then, the priests asked the second couple how they did. |
| 07:38:19 | captain_proton | "Well, Father," the husband says, "everything was going just fine |
| 07:38:21 | captain_proton | until the 27th day. My wife bent over the freezer to get something out, and |
| 07:38:23 | captain_proton | I just happened to notice that she didn't have any panties on. I couldn't |
| 07:38:25 | captain_proton | stand it any more, so I walked over to her, dropped my pants, and slipped it |
| 07:38:27 | captain_proton | to her right there." |
| 07:38:29 | captain_proton | "That's DISGUSTING!", the priest bellows. "I can never let you into |
| 07:38:31 | captain_proton | the Church after something like that." |
| 07:38:33 | captain_proton | "I understand Father," the man replies sadly, "they won't let us |
| 07:38:35 | captain_proton | into Safeway anymore either." |
| 07:38:39 | captain_proton | |
| 07:38:42 | vogon_jeltz | ew |
| 07:38:45 | captain_proton | Rumour has it that the intrepid New Zealanders have finally discovered |
| 07:38:45 | captain_proton | two new uses for sheep. Meat and wool. |
| 07:38:49 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:38:52 | vogon_jeltz | I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet, |
| 07:38:52 | vogon_jeltz | so I took his shoes. |
| 07:38:52 | vogon_jeltz | -- Dave Barry |
| 07:39:02 | vogon_jeltz | Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. |
| 07:39:03 | vogon_jeltz | -- Elbert Hubbard |
| 07:39:12 | vogon_jeltz | "If we were meant to fly, we wouldn't keep losing our luggage." |
| 07:39:27 | vogon_jeltz | Good night to spend with family, but avoid arguments with your mate's |
| 07:39:28 | vogon_jeltz | new lover. |
| 07:40:36 | vogon_jeltz | My idea of roughing it is when room service is late. |
| 07:42:21 | vogon_jeltz | FORTUNE DISCUSSES THE OBSCURE FILMS: #5 |
| 07:42:22 | vogon_jeltz | THE ATOMIC GRANDMOTHER: |
| 07:42:22 | vogon_jeltz | This humorous but heart-warming story tells of an elderly woman |
| 07:42:22 | vogon_jeltz | forced to work at a nuclear power plant in order to help the family |
| 07:42:22 | vogon_jeltz | make ends meet. At night, granny sits on the porch, tells tales |
| 07:42:22 | vogon_jeltz | of her colorful past, and the family uses her to cook barbecues |
| 07:42:24 | vogon_jeltz | and to power small electrical appliances. Maureen Stapleton gives |
| 07:42:26 | vogon_jeltz | a glowing performance. |
| 07:42:51 | captain_proton | All a hacker needs is a tight PUSHJ, a loose pair of UUOs, and a warm |
| 07:42:51 | captain_proton | place to shift. |
| 07:42:55 | vogon_jeltz | There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. |
| 07:43:09 | vogon_jeltz | Humor in the Court: |
| 07:43:09 | vogon_jeltz | Q. And lastly, Gary, all your responses must be oral. O.K.? What school do |
| 07:43:09 | vogon_jeltz | you go to? |
| 07:43:09 | vogon_jeltz | A. Oral. |
| 07:43:10 | vogon_jeltz | Q. How old are you? |
| 07:43:10 | vogon_jeltz | A. Oral. |
| 07:43:22 | vogon_jeltz | Individualists unite! |
| 07:43:38 | vogon_jeltz | To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. |
| 07:43:38 | vogon_jeltz | -- Robert Heller |
| 07:43:55 | vogon_jeltz | Bistromathics is simply a revolutionary new way of understanding the |
| 07:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | behavior of numbers. Just as Einstein observed that space was not an |
| 07:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | absolute, but depended on the observer's movement in space, and that |
| 07:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | time was not an absolute, but depended on the observer's movement in |
| 07:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | time, so it is now realized that numbers are not absolute, but depend |
| 07:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | on the observer's movement in restaurants. |
| 07:43:58 | vogon_jeltz | -- Douglas Adams |
| 07:44:10 | vogon_jeltz | War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left |
| 07:44:12 | vogon_jeltz | War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left |
| 07:44:14 | vogon_jeltz | oops |
| 07:44:25 | vogon_jeltz | Q: Why is it that Mexico isn't sending anyone to the '84 summer games? |
| 07:44:26 | vogon_jeltz | A: Anyone in Mexico who can run, swim or jump is already in LA. |
| 07:44:56 | vogon_jeltz | Serfs up! |
| 07:44:56 | vogon_jeltz | -- Spartacus |
| 07:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | Celestial navigation is based on the premise that the Earth is the center |
| 07:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | of the universe. The premise is wrong, but the navigation works. An |
| 07:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | incorrect model can be a useful tool. |
| 07:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | -- Kelvin Throop III |
| 07:45:26 | vogon_jeltz | Hating the Yankees is as American as pizza pie, unwed mothers and |
| 07:45:26 | vogon_jeltz | cheating on your income tax. |
| 07:45:26 | vogon_jeltz | -- Mike Royko |
| 07:45:45 | captain_proton | FORTUNE DISCUSSES THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN:#15 |
| 07:45:45 | captain_proton | Sex: |
| 07:45:45 | captain_proton | Women prefer 30-40 minutes of foreplay. Men prefer 30-40 seconds of |
| 07:45:45 | captain_proton | foreplay. Men consider driving back to her place as part of the foreplay. |
| 07:45:45 | captain_proton | Maturity: |
| 07:45:46 | captain_proton | Women mature much faster than men. Most 17-year-old females can |
| 07:45:48 | captain_proton | function as adults. Most 17-year-old males are still trading baseball cards |
| 07:45:50 | captain_proton | and giving each other wedgies after gym class. This is why high school |
| 07:45:52 | captain_proton | romances rarely work out. |
| 07:45:54 | captain_proton | Handwriting: |
| 07:45:56 | captain_proton | To their credit, men do not decorate their penmanship. They just |
| 07:45:58 | captain_proton | chicken-scratch. Women use scented, colored stationary and they dot their |
| 07:46:00 | captain_proton | "i's" with circles and hearts. Women use ridiculously large loops in their |
| 07:46:02 | captain_proton | "p's" and "g's". It is a royal pain to read a note from a woman. Even |
| 07:46:05 | captain_proton | when she's dumping you, she'll put a smiley face at the end of the note. |
| 07:46:15 | vogon_jeltz | Fuch's Warning: |
| 07:46:15 | vogon_jeltz | If you actually look like your passport photo, you aren't well |
| 07:46:15 | vogon_jeltz | enough to travel. |
| 07:47:09 | vogon_jeltz | -- Male cadavers are incapable of yielding testimony. |
| 07:47:09 | vogon_jeltz | -- Individuals who make their abode in vitreous edifices would be well advised |
| 07:47:10 | vogon_jeltz | to refrain from catapulting projectiles. |
| 07:47:10 | vogon_jeltz | -- Neophyte's serendipity. |
| 07:47:10 | vogon_jeltz | -- Exclusive dedication to necessitious chores without interludes of hedonistic |
| 07:47:10 | vogon_jeltz | diversion renders John a hebetudinous fellow. |
| 07:47:12 | vogon_jeltz | -- A revolving concretion of earthy or mineral matter accumulates no congeries |
| 07:47:14 | vogon_jeltz | of small, green bryophytic plant. |
| 07:47:16 | vogon_jeltz | -- Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escallation |
| 07:47:18 | vogon_jeltz | of a lucrative nature. |
| 07:47:20 | vogon_jeltz | -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the potential of fracturing |
| 07:47:22 | vogon_jeltz | osseous structure, but appellations will eternally remain innocuous. |
| 07:48:03 | vogon_jeltz | If an average person on the subway turns to you, like an ancient mariner, |
| 07:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | and starts telling you her tale, you turn away or nod and hope she stops, |
| 07:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | not just because you fear she might be crazy. If she tells her tale on |
| 07:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | camera, you might listen. Watching strangers on television , even |
| 07:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | responding to them from a studio audience, we're disengaged -- voyeurs |
| 07:48:04 | vogon_jeltz | collaborating with exhibitionists in rituals of sham community. Never |
| 07:48:06 | vogon_jeltz | have so many known so much about people for whom they cared so little. |
| 07:48:08 | vogon_jeltz | -- Wendy Kaminer commenting on testimonial television |
| 07:48:10 | vogon_jeltz | in "I'm Dysfunctional, You're Dysfunctional". |
| 07:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | Long ago, in a finite state far away, there lived a JOVIAL |
| 07:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | character named Jack. Jack and his relations were poor. Often their |
| 07:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | hash table was bare. One day Jack's parent said to him, "Our matrices |
| 07:48:37 | vogon_jeltz | are sparse. You must go to the market to exchange our RAM for some |
| 07:48:38 | vogon_jeltz | BASICs." She compiled a linked list of items to retrieve and passed it |
| 07:48:39 | vogon_jeltz | to him. |
| 07:48:41 | vogon_jeltz | So Jack set out. But as he was walking along a Hamilton path, |
| 07:48:43 | vogon_jeltz | he met the traveling salesman. |
| 07:48:45 | vogon_jeltz | "Whither dost thy flow chart take thou?" prompted the salesman |
| 07:48:47 | vogon_jeltz | in high-level language. |
| 07:48:49 | vogon_jeltz | "I'm going to the market to exchange this RAM for some chips |
| 07:48:51 | vogon_jeltz | and Apples," commented Jack. |
| 07:48:53 | vogon_jeltz | "I have a much better algorithm. You needn't join a queue |
| 07:48:55 | vogon_jeltz | there; I will swap your RAM for these magic kernels now." |
| 07:48:56 | captain_proton | airborne - this channel has died :) |
| 07:48:57 | vogon_jeltz | Jack made the trade, then backtracked to his house. But when |
| 07:48:59 | vogon_jeltz | he told his busy-waiting parent of the deal, she became so angry she |
| 07:49:01 | vogon_jeltz | started thrashing. |
| 07:49:03 | vogon_jeltz | "Don't you even have any artificial intelligence? All these |
| 07:49:05 | vogon_jeltz | kernels together hardly make up one byte," and she popped them out the |
| 07:49:07 | vogon_jeltz | window... |
| 07:49:09 | vogon_jeltz | -- Mark Isaak, "Jack and the Beanstack" |
| 07:49:11 | vogon_jeltz | May those that love us love us; and those that don't love us, may |
| 07:49:13 | vogon_jeltz | God turn their hearts; and if he doesn't turn their hearts, may |
| 07:49:15 | vogon_jeltz | he turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping. |
| 07:49:50 | captain_proton | What is the difference between erotic and kinky? |
| 07:50:03 | captain_proton | erotic is when you use a feather. kinky is when you use the whole bird |
| 07:50:14 | vogon_jeltz | Everything that can be invented has been invented. |
| 07:50:14 | vogon_jeltz | -- Charles Duell, Director of U.S. Patent Office, 1899 |
| 07:50:53 | vogon_jeltz | You just know when a relationship is about to end. My girlfriend called me |
| 07:50:54 | vogon_jeltz | at work and asked me how you change a lightbulb in the bathroom. "It's very |
| 07:50:54 | vogon_jeltz | simple," I said. "You start by filling up the bathtub with water..." |
| 07:51:18 | vogon_jeltz | Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting. |
| 07:52:36 | captain_proton | "Yeah, I used to be into necrophelia, bestiality and sadism, but then I |
| 07:52:37 | captain_proton | realized I was just flogging a dead horse." |
| 07:54:53 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:54:58 | captain_proton | The superpowers often behave like two heavily armed blind men feeling |
| 07:54:59 | captain_proton | their way around a room, each believing himself in mortal peril from |
| 07:54:59 | captain_proton | the other, whom he assumes to have perfect vision. Each tends to |
| 07:54:59 | captain_proton | ascribe to the other side a consistency, forsight and coherence that |
| 07:54:59 | captain_proton | its own experience belies. Of course, even two blind men can do |
| 07:54:59 | captain_proton | enormous damage to each other, not to speak of the room. |
| 07:55:45 | vogon_jeltz | When Marriage is Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Inlaws. |
| 07:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | I cannot overemphasize the importance of good grammar. |
| 07:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | What a crock. I could easily overemphasize the importance of good |
| 07:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | grammar. For example, I could say: "Bad grammar is the leading cause |
| 07:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | of slow, painful death in North America," or "Without good grammar, the |
| 07:56:27 | vogon_jeltz | United States would have lost World War II." |
| 07:56:28 | vogon_jeltz | -- Dave Barry, "An Utterly Absurd Look at Grammar" |
| 07:56:28 | captain_proton | Ever wondered why you always run out of breath when you throw up? |
| 07:56:29 | captain_proton | Ah, but a man's retch should exceed his gasp, else what's a heaving for? |
| 07:57:07 | captain_proton | Christian, n.: |
| 07:57:07 | captain_proton | One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired |
| 07:57:07 | captain_proton | book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who |
| 07:57:07 | captain_proton | follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent |
| 07:57:07 | captain_proton | with a life of sin. |
| 07:57:10 | captain_proton | |
| 07:57:10 | captain_proton | |
| 07:57:11 | captain_proton | |
| 07:57:14 | captain_proton | ok i sleep now |
| 07:57:21 | vogon_jeltz | why? |
| 07:57:24 | vogon_jeltz | what's sleep? |
| 07:57:28 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 07:57:34 | captain_proton | i'm about to collapse |
| 07:59:10 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 08:03:21 | | '-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------' is 99.996714% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:03:21 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 08:03:25 | | '--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------' is 99.996795% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:03:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 08:03:33 | | '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------126312873162731726312' is 99.996866% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:03:33 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------126312873162731726312 |
| 08:03:46 | | '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------126312873162731726312-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------' is 99.998077% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:03:46 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------126312873162731726312----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 08:04:07 | | '{}' is 19% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer {} |
| 08:04:12 | | '[{}]' is 99.63% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:12 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer [{}] |
| 08:04:24 | | '<([{}])>' is 99.9729% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:24 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer <([{}])> |
| 08:04:33 | | '--==<([{}])>==--' is 99.993366% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:33 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer --==<([{}])>==-- |
| 08:04:40 | | '----==<([{}])>==----' is 99.994866% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ----==<([{}])>==---- |
| 08:04:45 | | '------==<([{}])>==------' is 99.995528% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ------==<([{}])>==------ |
| 08:04:50 | | '--------==<([{}])>==--------' is 99.995877% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:50 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer --------==<([{}])>==-------- |
| 08:04:54 | | '----------==<([{}])>==----------' is 99.996085% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:54 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ----------==<([{}])>==---------- |
| 08:04:59 | | '------------==<([{}])>==------------' is 99.996220% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:04:59 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ------------==<([{}])>==------------ |
| 08:05:28 | | '--------------==<([{13373r_D4n-J00}])>==--------------' is 99.997342% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:05:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer --------------==<([{13373r_D4n-J00}])>==-------------- |
| 08:06:47 | | '--------------==<([{13373r_D4n-J00==l3D_z3Pp31In_R001z==53Qu0i4}])>==--------------' is 99.998085% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:06:47 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer --------------==<([{13373r_D4n-J00==l3D_z3Pp31In_R001z==53Qu0i4}])>==-------------- |
| 08:07:05 | | '----------------======<([{13373r_D4n-J00==l3D_z3Pp31In_R001z==53Qu0i4}])>======----------------' is 99.998224% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 08:07:05 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: nickometer ----------------======<([{13373r_D4n-J00==l3D_z3Pp31In_R001z==53Qu0i4}])>======---------------- |
| 16:48:13 | captain_proton | do you know why he defines a quad as 3 points? is it just to drive me insane? |
| 16:50:15 | vogon_jeltz | no, to save space... and drive you insane... |
| 16:50:35 | BZFlag | heh, probably. |
| 16:51:05 | captain_proton | crap - can I make the position/rotation/etc stuff in obstacle protected? |
| 16:51:34 | | somebody said BZFlag was TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 16:51:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag? |
| 16:51:43 | captain_proton | boo ibot |
| 16:51:49 | BZFlag | heh |
| 16:52:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can i? or is that not allowed? |
| 16:52:16 | BZFlag | if it's public, there is likely someone using it. |
| 16:52:21 | captain_proton | its private |
| 16:52:29 | BZFlag | oh, then sure. |
| 16:52:38 | captain_proton | cool - that makes my job easier |
| 16:54:45 | vogon_jeltz | no; you must write get/set functions.... muwahahahaa |
| 16:55:17 | captain_proton | it already has the get functions |
| 16:55:32 | vogon_jeltz | insanity is good; if you're not a paranoiac, and the world really is out to get you, how will you know? |
| 16:55:38 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what music do you listen to? |
| 16:56:20 | BZFlag | is not a fan of the get/set interface in open source apps. if you change the API, change the source that uses it. Open source libs are a different story. |
| 16:56:30 | BZFlag | is a huge genesis fan |
| 16:56:56 | BZFlag | I think selling england by the pound is in my car CD player at present. |
| 16:57:13 | BZFlag | the game needs a mp3 backend. ;-) |
| 16:57:38 | vogon_jeltz | and you should be able to make song selections for when you kill people, etc... |
| 16:58:06 | vogon_jeltz | you shoot someone; "Ehnnt... Ehnnt... Ehnnt... Another one bites the dust." |
| 16:58:19 | captain_proton | why not ogg? its more legal |
| 16:58:21 | vogon_jeltz | wow; *another* natural gas explosion |
| 16:58:37 | captain_proton | now we see if it runs :) |
| 16:59:00 | vogon_jeltz | says that the RIAA can take his MP3s out of his cold, dead hands |
| 17:00:36 | vogon_jeltz | 2a3r4e5n6'7t 8c9o10l11o12r13s 2c3o4o5l6? |
| 17:00:53 | captain_proton | realizes he doesn't have the custom ctf patch on his devel tree |
| 17:00:57 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 17:01:24 | vogon_jeltz | you also don't have my rotated base game logic support or my radar fix... |
| 17:01:45 | vogon_jeltz | 'course, I e-mailed you the radar fix |
| 17:01:47 | captain_proton | that's not necessary at the moment |
| 17:01:49 | vogon_jeltz | whistles |
| 17:01:50 | captain_proton | i'm just testing rendering |
| 17:02:01 | captain_proton | rebuilds with CTF in bzfs |
| 17:02:13 | vogon_jeltz | go, go, go, chug, chug, chug... |
| 17:02:17 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 17:02:19 | captain_proton | its done |
| 17:02:29 | vogon_jeltz | you didn't have to rebuild... |
| 17:02:33 | vogon_jeltz | it's only a client-side patch |
| 17:02:40 | vogon_jeltz | duh |
| 17:03:25 | captain_proton | does not see an elevated, rotated base |
| 17:03:35 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 17:03:52 | vogon_jeltz | did you modify SceneRenderer to render the base? |
| 17:04:02 | vogon_jeltz | and BackgroundRenderer to not render it? |
| 17:05:51 | vogon_jeltz | just figured out that he can access bash from X-Chat |
| 17:08:19 | captain_proton | i haven't modified backgroundrenderer to not do it yet |
| 17:08:23 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 17:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | wot about SceneRenderer? |
| 17:09:02 | vogon_jeltz | proton: does Ogg Vorbis sound better? |
| 17:17:04 | captain_proton | don't know |
| 17:17:09 | captain_proton | adds another class to bzflag |
| 17:19:44 | captain_proton | i should make that a keyboard shortcut :) |
| 17:20:04 | vogon_jeltz | wot class? |
| 17:21:19 | captain_proton | EighthDBaseSceneNode |
| 17:21:42 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, for the OO peeps driving thru it... usefule |
| 17:21:44 | vogon_jeltz | useful |
| 17:22:09 | vogon_jeltz | couldn't you just make it a carbon copy of EighthDBoxSceneNode? |
| 17:22:37 | captain_proton | that's pretty much what I'm doing |
| 17:22:44 | BZFlag | I thnk a xmms/winamp control interface would be nice, and then folks can use an exsting player. |
| 17:22:44 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, k |
| 17:23:16 | BZFlag | if we are going to add the player itself and music, we can choose what we like. |
| 17:23:17 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if M$ or anybody else made a PPT viewer for Linux |
| 17:23:27 | captain_proton | i think people should just get a sound daemon/alsa and not bloat bzflag |
| 17:23:42 | vogon_jeltz | plays MP3s for BZ music |
| 17:23:48 | BZFlag | If we're going that route, a mod player might be the right choice. mikmod or similar. |
| 17:24:00 | captain_proton | tells vogon_jeltz to look at (star|open)office |
| 17:24:12 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't want to sit thru a 97 megabyte download |
| 17:24:23 | BZFlag | the issue it that most vid cards won't handle switch tween mp3 player and bzflag. |
| 17:24:28 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 17:24:41 | BZFlag | A minimize function for bzflag might be the right thing? |
| 17:24:48 | vogon_jeltz | possibly |
| 17:25:05 | vogon_jeltz | or else we could just write a quick-and-dirty encoder in and map it to keys |
| 17:25:12 | BZFlag | hot key pauses you, removes the opengl context and waits to be restored. |
| 17:25:12 | vogon_jeltz | decoder |
| 17:25:18 | captain_proton | just use a command line player/2 X's |
| 17:25:42 | vogon_jeltz | just runs XMMS in the background and switches tracks with the buttons on his M$ Internet Keyboard |
| 17:26:22 | BZFlag | that's about what I'm after, but for non-custom-kb enabled folks. ;-) |
| 17:26:29 | vogon_jeltz | hits a button and XMMS pops up with, eyuchh, "All The Small Things" by Blink 182 |
| 17:26:54 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: you could always pass keystrokes thru as commands |
| 17:27:20 | captain_proton | i'm still waiting for a self-destruct key in bzflag |
| 17:27:28 | vogon_jeltz | would like that too |
| 17:27:38 | vogon_jeltz | would also like to see the magnet flag |
| 17:27:51 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i suggest caps lock, thoughts? |
| 17:28:03 | vogon_jeltz | and jump, and what the hell? |
| 17:28:52 | captain_proton | checks out asd source again to see if it compiles |
| 17:29:32 | captain_proton | deletes asd source because it doesn't compile |
| 17:31:10 | vogon_jeltz | checks out paranoiamud source until he realizes there isn't any yet... 8-) |
| 17:31:57 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if any1 here watches Futurama |
| 17:32:16 | | vogon_jeltz: wish i knew |
| 17:32:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: futurama? |
| 17:34:06 | captain_proton | deletes asd source because it doesn't compile |
| 17:34:11 | vogon_jeltz | again? |
| 17:36:16 | captain_proton | that keeps happening to me |
| 17:36:19 | captain_proton | i don't know why |
| 17:36:51 | vogon_jeltz | poor proton... |
| 17:36:56 | captain_proton | :( |
| 17:37:20 | vogon_jeltz | now is the time that you continue talking about everything wrong with your life |
| 17:37:31 | vogon_jeltz | after that, I interrupt with something worse... |
| 17:37:35 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I'm always hitting caps lock by mistake. ;-( |
| 17:38:13 | BZFlag | and a self distruct _is_ needed for when you get stuck. |
| 17:38:24 | BZFlag | well, headed to the office. |
| 17:38:30 | vogon_jeltz | make it something obscure like Alt+Shift+Ctrl+P |
| 17:38:58 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: op me |
| 17:39:16 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 17:39:21 | BZFlag | why? |
| 17:39:27 | vogon_jeltz | as my first act as op, I op proton |
| 17:39:41 | BZFlag | great. now we have lots. |
| 17:39:44 | vogon_jeltz | I just need an ego trip today |
| 17:39:51 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 17:39:56 | BZFlag | all in the family. |
| 17:40:08 | vogon_jeltz | bye |
| 17:40:39 | vogon_jeltz | that's a shameless plug |
| 17:40:39 | BZFlag | heh |
| 17:40:51 | vogon_jeltz | the Try BZFlag! |
| 17:41:04 | BZFlag | you bet, but bz needs publicity. and it's working. ;-) |
| 17:41:25 | vogon_jeltz | this channel needs halfops |
| 17:41:33 | vogon_jeltz | 8-( |
| 17:41:36 | BZFlag | heh |
| 17:41:43 | vogon_jeltz | I was gonna halfop ya |
| 17:41:48 | vogon_jeltz | or restore your op |
| 17:41:54 | vogon_jeltz | but you quit too quickly |
| 17:42:08 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 17:42:10 | BZFlag | I'm off. |
| 17:42:13 | vogon_jeltz | bye |
| 17:42:30 | vogon_jeltz | damn airborne... |
| 17:42:36 | vogon_jeltz | in #paranoiamud |
| 17:42:39 | captain_proton | heh |
| 17:42:48 | vogon_jeltz | I *really* need op there |
| 17:43:00 | vogon_jeltz | but can't get it until he leaves |
| 17:43:12 | vogon_jeltz | but he prolly won't leave until I kick him |
| 17:43:18 | vogon_jeltz | which I can't do unless I'm an op |
| 17:43:30 | captain_proton | yep |
| 17:44:35 | vogon_jeltz | should we ban Riker? laf... |
| 17:46:20 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 17:46:29 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz-- |
| 17:46:29 | captain_proton | ibot, vogon_jeltz-- |
| 17:46:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton-- |
| 17:46:39 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton-- |
| 17:46:39 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton-- |
| 17:46:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, captain_proton-- |
| 17:46:52 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 17:47:13 | vogon_jeltz | I am the almighty Op |
| 17:47:20 | vogon_jeltz | ph33r me |
| 17:47:38 | vogon_jeltz | there |
| 17:47:42 | vogon_jeltz | now we have a bot op |
| 17:47:46 | captain_proton | wonderful |
| 17:47:53 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 17:47:53 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, you suck |
| 17:48:03 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 17:48:03 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, kick captain_proton |
| 17:48:10 | | vogon_jeltz: i'm not following you... |
| 17:48:10 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, courtmartial captain_proton |
| 17:48:16 | vogon_jeltz | grr |
| 17:48:21 | vogon_jeltz | that's a feature of some bots... |
| 17:48:24 | vogon_jeltz | but not ibot |
| 17:49:12 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, ibot++ |
| 17:49:19 | | ibot has karma of 21 |
| 17:49:19 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, karma for ibot |
| 17:49:57 | | ...but ibot is Satan or fun to give commands to... or <reply> No, don't touch me.. no, don't.... stop..... don't... stop.. don't stop... don't stop....... |
| 17:49:57 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, you are a deranged moron |
| 17:50:07 | vogon_jeltz | wtf? |
| 17:50:13 | captain_proton | reply doesn't seem to be working right |
| 17:50:19 | vogon_jeltz | no space |
| 17:50:43 | vogon_jeltz | wtf? my lag's thru the roof |
| 17:51:23 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot ibot |
| 17:51:23 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, forget ibot |
| 17:51:25 | | /op captain_proton |
| 17:51:25 | captain_proton | ibot, opme |
| 17:51:29 | captain_proton | damn |
| 17:51:30 | | /op captain_proton |
| 17:51:30 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, opme |
| 17:51:41 | | vogon_jeltz: what? |
| 17:51:41 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, op me |
| 17:51:44 | | vogon_jeltz: what? |
| 17:51:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, opme |
| 17:52:29 | | '%' is 14% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 17:52:29 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, nickometer % |
| 17:52:34 | | '213718729373258913457134906' is 99.80% lame, vogon_jeltz |
| 17:52:34 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, nickometer 213718729373258913457134906 |
| 17:57:30 | captain_proton | you're back? |
| 17:57:46 | captain_proton | ircing from work? _bad_ tim! sit! |
| 17:58:41 | BZFlag | uses irc to get work done. |
| 17:58:53 | BZFlag | many of the linux community hang here too. |
| 17:59:02 | BZFlag | do irc _is_ work. ;-) |
| 17:59:34 | vogon_jeltz | hey, BZ |
| 17:59:57 | vogon_jeltz | stupid ISP dumped my connection... |
| 18:01:02 | vogon_jeltz | is away: taking a half-hour power nap |
| 18:44:57 | captain_proton | made bzflag allocate all his memory |
| 18:53:42 | captain_proton | needs to reboot because he screwed up his ram somehow |
| 19:13:34 | captain_proton | you there sig? |
| 19:30:35 | captain_proton | YEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!!!!! |
| 19:54:00 | captain_proton | |
| 19:54:03 | captain_proton | |
| 19:54:03 | captain_proton | |
| 19:54:14 | captain_proton | i'd like to take this moment to say that I have finished the rotated bases client patch |
| 20:10:06 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 20:12:11 | captain_proton | BZFlag: I have a qustion about making the patch |
| 20:12:20 | captain_proton | I have some new files (with the classes I added in them) |
| 20:12:26 | captain_proton | how do I put them it the patch? |
| 20:13:04 | captain_proton | or do I add them to CVS and include them in the makefiles with the patch (so they're not compiled until the patch is applied)? |
| 20:13:28 | BZFlag | does cvs diff -Nu work? |
| 20:13:36 | captain_proton | let me try that out |
| 20:14:34 | captain_proton | for elevated bases, I made them 1.0 thick and drew the box wall texture on the sides - is this ok? |
| 20:16:31 | BZFlag | yes. that's what I was thinking too. |
| 20:17:49 | captain_proton | no, -Nu doesn't work |
| 20:17:52 | BZFlag | you could do a cvs checkout someplace else and then a normal diff tween the dirs. |
| 20:17:58 | captain_proton | should I just add the files to cvs? |
| 20:18:08 | BZFlag | I'd prefer not. |
| 20:18:08 | captain_proton | they won't be compiled unless someone has the patch |
| 20:18:39 | captain_proton | ok, i'll try diffing the dirs |
| 20:23:40 | captain_proton | i just thought of something icky |
| 20:24:14 | captain_proton | for elevated bases, how do we put the tank in the world? |
| 20:26:25 | BZFlag | needs to join on the base. ;-) |
| 20:31:17 | captain_proton | that's the problem |
| 20:31:25 | captain_proton | what if someone puts a box on top of the base?? |
| 21:01:22 | captain_proton | BZFlag: I think I have a patch ready - i'm going to test it once then I'll submit it to sf |
| 21:26:39 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you there? |
| 21:58:53 | captain_proton | is away: getting my first degree black belt... |