| 05:18:59 | vogon_jeltz | I lost the formula |
| 05:19:03 | captain_proton | and it can be accelerated |
| 05:19:07 | vogon_jeltz | I came up with it in 4th grade |
| 05:19:12 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:19:24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any comments on my question about moving bases into the scene renderer? |
| 05:19:32 | vogon_jeltz | the most complex thing it uses is sine/cosine |
| 05:19:34 | BZFlag | I have not played with that section of the code for quite some time. |
| 05:19:52 | captain_proton | do you know if a billboard object would work for a base? |
| 05:20:42 | BZFlag | captain_proton: well, I didn;t include the retro wire-frame mode cause it didn't render bases right. moving them to the scene renderer would allow that to work and would allow for future team logos to be added. ;-) |
| 05:20:53 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, team logos |
| 05:21:01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: it also allows elevated bases to render right |
| 05:21:09 | BZFlag | I'd suggest the bases be quads. |
| 05:21:27 | BZFlag | yes, I suppose double sided quads... ;-) |
| 05:21:53 | captain_proton | i don't see a way to assign a quadwall a color |
| 05:21:55 | BZFlag | The other things that need to happen: |
| 05:22:08 | captain_proton | or do you mean GL_QUADS? |
| 05:22:15 | BZFlag | full remote server option control for a logged in admin. |
| 05:22:29 | BZFlag | yeah. GL_QUAD |
| 05:22:39 | captain_proton | so I should write my own SceneNode? |
| 05:23:22 | BZFlag | perhaps the best way to handle it is a building node? then a minimum thickness could be set. |
| 05:23:22 | captain_proton | gets a drink |
| 05:23:38 | BZFlag | just override the top/bottom texture. |
| 05:23:49 | vogon_jeltz | that'd be nice, having free-standing bases |
| 05:24:19 | vogon_jeltz | I've eaten a whole package of Smint today... |
| 05:24:24 | vogon_jeltz | 40 mints... |
| 05:24:34 | BZFlag | have to make sure something like a 2 thickness box at -2 height renders right. ;-) |
| 05:25:04 | vogon_jeltz | eek, DRI gets all manner of object ghosting when that occurs |
| 05:25:37 | BZFlag | I mean 2 height, and -2 elevation in bz speak. |
| 05:25:42 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 05:25:53 | BZFlag | you tried objects below the floor? |
| 05:25:55 | vogon_jeltz | that's what I meant |
| 05:26:10 | vogon_jeltz | not yet... lemme check |
| 05:26:13 | vogon_jeltz | runs bzflag |
| 05:26:25 | BZFlag | made a world already? |
| 05:26:45 | captain_proton | is back |
| 05:27:16 | captain_proton | how do you override the textures with a color? |
| 05:27:34 | vogon_jeltz | wow, that sucks |
| 05:27:40 | captain_proton | z-buffer aliasing? |
| 05:27:44 | vogon_jeltz | you see the building thru the floor |
| 05:28:03 | captain_proton | really? lemme check |
| 05:28:29 | vogon_jeltz | I've hacked my TwinTowers map to death; it's my test map now |
| 05:28:37 | BZFlag | this is all a client hack, the world def does not need to change. |
| 05:28:46 | vogon_jeltz | I know... |
| 05:28:58 | vogon_jeltz | but still, objects below the floor can be seen thru the floor |
| 05:29:13 | BZFlag | so the client can do what ever it likes, just add a new object creation. |
| 05:29:20 | vogon_jeltz | tim, you played on proton's custom CTF yet? |
| 05:29:44 | BZFlag | if on the floor it might be easier to just do one double sided GL_QUAD, and then do a box if elevated. |
| 05:30:06 | vogon_jeltz | zones out: he's a core logic nerd, not a graphics nerd |
| 05:30:08 | BZFlag | not yet. But I designed HiX to be a CTF map. |
| 05:30:20 | vogon_jeltz | that'd be fun |
| 05:30:22 | captain_proton | it works pretty well actually |
| 05:30:33 | BZFlag | is it up now? |
| 05:30:35 | captain_proton | did you plan bases in their normal position? |
| 05:30:36 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:30:43 | captain_proton | babylonia.flatirons.org:6166 |
| 05:30:50 | captain_proton | it uses flags-on-buildings too |
| 05:30:50 | vogon_jeltz | let's go play! |
| 05:30:52 | BZFlag | meet ya there now? |
| 05:30:59 | captain_proton | shure |
| 05:39:33 | BZFlag | back. |
| 05:39:47 | BZFlag | moved bases are cool. |
| 05:40:07 | BZFlag | I don't like the invisi walls that reflect shots. |
| 05:41:22 | captain_proton | well my client died swiftly |
| 05:41:40 | captain_proton | don't like gerbil using bzflag bugs as world features? |
| 05:42:57 | captain_proton | you're here twice |
| 05:43:03 | vogon | thx |
| 05:43:05 | captain_proton | dead conn? |
| 05:43:10 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 05:43:17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ya there? |
| 05:43:22 | BZFlag | back. |
| 05:43:29 | BZFlag | looked like the server died from here. |
| 05:43:43 | vogon_jeltz | looks like my connection died too |
| 05:43:45 | captain_proton | seems to be back up |
| 05:43:55 | vogon_jeltz | proton: don't run 3 servers on the same box |
| 05:43:58 | vogon_jeltz | rotate |
| 05:44:19 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i'm only running 2 and it works fine |
| 05:44:22 | BZFlag | I don't mind if gerbil does it. folks can do what they like with the game. that's why it's open source. |
| 05:44:26 | captain_proton | i restarted |
| 05:44:29 | vogon_jeltz | hrm, never mind |
| 05:44:38 | vogon_jeltz | does what, tim? |
| 05:44:54 | captain_proton | so tim, should I write a new SceneNode for bases? |
| 05:45:01 | BZFlag | <captain_proton> don't like gerbil using bzflag bugs as world features? |
| 05:45:09 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, k |
| 05:45:17 | vogon_jeltz | personally, I think it's cool |
| 05:45:32 | BZFlag | captain_proton: sure. I'd love to add that. I expect to add the moveable bases in the next release. |
| 05:45:42 | BZFlag | let me check something... |
| 05:45:42 | vogon_jeltz | does a dance |
| 05:46:05 | captain_proton | slaps vogon_jeltz back down into his chair |
| 05:46:08 | vogon_jeltz | listens to "The Show That Never Ends" by ELP |
| 05:46:56 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz means karn evil nine part 2 |
| 05:46:57 | vogon_jeltz | has gotten approximately 3200% of his U.S. RDA of Vitamin C today |
| 05:46:58 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 05:47:01 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 05:47:05 | vogon_jeltz | but it's an extended version |
| 05:47:14 | BZFlag | ahh |
| 05:47:20 | vogon_jeltz | it's the 9 minute version |
| 05:47:34 | vogon_jeltz | with added and removed verses |
| 05:47:37 | BZFlag | then you miss out on "benny" ;-) |
| 05:47:43 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 05:48:06 | captain_proton | ahhh - class Obstacle is good |
| 05:48:23 | vogon_jeltz | I hate the namespace-specific classes... blechh |
| 05:48:36 | vogon_jeltz | there's class Obstacle and class WorldInfo::Obstacle |
| 05:48:59 | BZFlag | I'm not a fan of that either... they were there from before. |
| 05:49:11 | vogon_jeltz | and I fear I've totally screwed up the code's integrity with my two main patches |
| 05:49:23 | vogon_jeltz | I had to move some private members to public |
| 05:49:33 | vogon_jeltz | and mess with return types |
| 05:49:42 | captain_proton | evil sig! |
| 05:49:50 | captain_proton | everything should be private! |
| 05:50:11 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, but it was late, and I didn't want to have wrapper functions for functions that already existed |
| 05:50:21 | captain_proton | i like how you left the "FIXME" comments after you fixed it :) |
| 05:50:25 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:50:32 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't mess with comments |
| 05:50:37 | BZFlag | looks like x/y/z pos AND x/y/z size are sent for bases at present. |
| 05:50:44 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:50:45 | vogon_jeltz | nope, z size isn't sent |
| 05:50:50 | captain_proton | rotation is sent too |
| 05:50:53 | captain_proton | just not used |
| 05:51:24 | vogon_jeltz | nope, not sent either |
| 05:51:36 | captain_proton | if you don't mind i'm gonna recalculate coords for the corners of the base when it recieves it |
| 05:51:37 | vogon_jeltz | refers to the BZFlag Protocol reference |
| 05:51:42 | vogon_jeltz | fine |
| 05:51:49 | captain_proton | already referred to it |
| 05:52:14 | captain_proton | i know how much people like me using sin/cos for 8 coordinates every frame :) |
| 05:52:31 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:52:47 | vogon_jeltz | Leno just told an M$ joke |
| 05:52:52 | BZFlag | yes, you are correct, it's angle that's always set to 0.0 |
| 05:53:03 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: nope, you are mistaken |
| 05:53:12 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: I hacked with the code; it's set correctly |
| 05:53:27 | captain_proton | its just not used |
| 05:54:03 | captain_proton | wonders why position, size, and rotation are in the protocol if they were never used before |
| 05:54:19 | vogon_jeltz | yes, rotation is set correctly for bases |
| 05:54:23 | BZFlag | bzfs line 2597 is (in CVS) buf = nboPackFloat(buf, 0.0f); |
| 05:54:34 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, but custom CTF hasn't made it to CVS |
| 05:55:01 | captain_proton | what exactly does nbo stand for? |
| 05:55:09 | BZFlag | when I refer to the game I always refer to the CVS version. there are lots of patches that are not there. |
| 05:55:15 | vogon_jeltz | ok |
| 05:55:19 | vogon_jeltz | 8-P |
| 05:55:23 | BZFlag | network byte order |
| 05:55:31 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 05:56:04 | BZFlag | captain_proton: there are quite a few things in the source that were not completed. |
| 05:56:14 | captain_proton | i'd like to take this moment to thank crs for not using packed structs in the protocol |
| 05:56:19 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:56:20 | BZFlag | check out the radio code. ;-) |
| 05:56:45 | captain_proton | radio code? is that the pseudo-VoIP thing crs was planning? |
| 05:56:55 | BZFlag | never, never, never write structures over the net. |
| 05:57:11 | BZFlag | radio, yes. |
| 05:57:19 | vogon_jeltz | ever messed around with Euphoria? It's a tiny subset of C |
| 05:57:26 | vogon_jeltz | and quite fun to write in |
| 05:57:27 | BZFlag | nope. |
| 05:57:34 | vogon_jeltz | it's got no structure type-checking |
| 05:57:41 | captain_proton | hehe - the project i'm working on at work writes a 342-byte structure over the network |
| 05:57:46 | vogon_jeltz | you can write whatever the hell you want into arrays |
| 05:57:52 | captain_proton | between windows, mac, and (now) linux |
| 05:58:07 | BZFlag | see above... never... ;-) |
| 05:58:23 | captain_proton | you know that the gcc #pragma pack implementation was designed to match MS's, but it doesnt? :) |
| 05:58:25 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't work -- he only gets 2 months off from school a year, and he wants to make the most of them |
| 05:58:37 | BZFlag | and I'll add _almost_ never read/write structures to disk. |
| 05:58:50 | captain_proton | I didn't have a choice here |
| 05:58:58 | captain_proton | i'm just porting/rewriting |
| 05:59:02 | BZFlag | didn't ave a choice? |
| 05:59:04 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:59:07 | vogon_jeltz | has a microATX box; the Voodoo5 he just installed barely fit in the frame... |
| 05:59:12 | captain_proton | the product already runs on win & mac |
| 05:59:16 | BZFlag | ported doom and rewrote that. |
| 05:59:16 | captain_proton | i'm writing a linux server for it |
| 05:59:33 | captain_proton | and it has to be compatible with _every_ version ever released :P |
| 05:59:44 | vogon_jeltz | eek! programmer's nightmare... |
| 05:59:52 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:00:01 | BZFlag | so fix the code to pack the bytes for sending/reading so that they are as implemented. |
| 06:00:01 | captain_proton | the state machine is 10000 lines long |
| 06:00:06 | vogon_jeltz | geez |
| 06:00:08 | captain_proton | i have |
| 06:00:25 | captain_proton | but it was fun trying to match gcc's pragma implementation to MS's |
| 06:00:27 | vogon_jeltz | I got about 500 lines into a state machine for a server/client pair I was writing and gave up |
| 06:00:39 | vogon_jeltz | I realized that VB was not a good server language |
| 06:00:43 | BZFlag | you should try __attribute__ out. ;-) |
| 06:00:54 | vogon_jeltz | eep |
| 06:00:57 | BZFlag | Vb is not a good anything language. |
| 06:01:02 | captain_proton | i looked at that |
| 06:01:27 | captain_proton | i figured that it would be better for maintaining a common code base if I used the pragma stuff |
| 06:01:27 | vogon_jeltz | the double-underline-caps almost invariably suck, complexity-wise |
| 06:01:42 | vogon_jeltz | this conversation is going way over my head |
| 06:01:58 | vogon_jeltz | is a C/C++ newbie... |
| 06:02:29 | captain_proton | i'm still trying to find out which gcc #pragma plays hangman |
| 06:02:52 | BZFlag | captain_proton: it would be better to rewrite as portable code. ;-) |
| 06:03:08 | vogon_jeltz | I have 5 programming languages and at least the rudiments of 3 human languages in my head |
| 06:03:10 | captain_proton | BZFlag: that's what I'm doing |
| 06:03:24 | BZFlag | note that bz runs on win32, mac, alpha, arm, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc, etc. |
| 06:03:35 | captain_proton | yes |
| 06:03:49 | captain_proton | i'm currently wrapping things like socket and file I/O |
| 06:04:36 | captain_proton | finds dmoz has way too many links |
| 06:04:42 | vogon_jeltz | QBasic, Turbo Pascal 4.0, VB, C/C++ (a bit of the MFC, too), Euphoria, English, French, Esperanto... |
| 06:04:53 | BZFlag | I did fix a few missing nbo calls in bz early on. crs missed a few, but not many. |
| 06:05:06 | vogon_jeltz | and they all fight for control of my verbal processes... |
| 06:05:09 | captain_proton | thats another thing |
| 06:05:30 | captain_proton | only about 1/2 of the struct members are translated byte order :) |
| 06:05:38 | vogon_jeltz | ouch |
| 06:05:50 | captain_proton | a lot of etherpeeking & debugging went on about a month ago |
| 06:05:51 | BZFlag | C++, C, Java, JavaScript, Perl, Tcl/Tk, Unix shell, Pascal, assembly, BASIC, COBOL, Fortran, english, spanish, etc. |
| 06:05:57 | vogon_jeltz | yeesh |
| 06:06:09 | vogon_jeltz | oh, yeah, I learned Java too... |
| 06:06:15 | vogon_jeltz | then quickly forgot it |
| 06:06:36 | vogon_jeltz | I made an attempt at learning COBOL |
| 06:06:40 | BZFlag | I should add x86, m68k, ia64, arm, and 6502 to assembly. |
| 06:06:48 | vogon_jeltz | eeeeeeeeeek! |
| 06:06:51 | vogon_jeltz | faints |
| 06:07:03 | BZFlag | oh, and mips... and sparc. |
| 06:07:24 | BZFlag | not much ppc though. |
| 06:07:37 | vogon_jeltz | god, asm on the Itanium? |
| 06:07:40 | captain_proton | C++, C, JavaScript, Perl, Unix shell, PHP, SQL, HTML/CSS, BASIC, python, LISP, english, spanish, etc |
| 06:08:13 | BZFlag | and no esperanto. though I do know what the word esperanto means.. so I guess one word of esperanto? ;-) |
| 06:08:15 | vogon_jeltz | hey, I'm only 15 and living in a poor, single-parent family here... |
| 06:08:42 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, I also learned VBA and HTML, BTW |
| 06:08:49 | captain_proton | keep in mind that tim is a certified geek |
| 06:09:07 | vogon_jeltz | I got my first computer at 6 |
| 06:09:09 | captain_proton | no offense, of course |
| 06:09:10 | BZFlag | well, I didn't count php as a language, but ok. and HTML/CSS as well. I'll add SGML, XML to that. |
| 06:09:23 | captain_proton | me too |
| 06:09:32 | vogon_jeltz | mine was an 8088 |
| 06:09:39 | vogon_jeltz | mmm... 4.77 MHz |
| 06:09:47 | captain_proton | there are too many XML-related acronyms starting with X |
| 06:09:48 | BZFlag | mine was a 1k 6502 with a hex pad. |
| 06:09:56 | captain_proton | nice |
| 06:10:05 | vogon_jeltz | port BZ to it... 8-) |
| 06:10:10 | BZFlag | called a "sym" board. |
| 06:10:16 | captain_proton | tim, i think we need a quoter subject bot |
| 06:10:32 | captain_proton | the subject here is really boring |
| 06:10:58 | vogon_jeltz | I use the old standby, double ROT-13 for my e-mail sig now |
| 06:11:15 | BZFlag | yeah. I've been meaning to dig up my 3d dungeons and dragons text game that I wrote in basic to run in 5k of space. it chain loaded different code whil keeping the data in memory to conserve space. |
| 06:11:28 | vogon_jeltz | ouch |
| 06:11:33 | captain_proton | wow |
| 06:11:35 | vogon_jeltz | I remember BASIC mem. management |
| 06:11:56 | captain_proton | bzflag should do that on linux |
| 06:12:01 | captain_proton | chain load ELF objects |
| 06:12:16 | captain_proton | just to piss off new developers :) |
| 06:12:17 | BZFlag | similar in play to nethack. imagine the difference in memory usage. ;-) |
| 06:12:53 | vogon_jeltz | what kernel version's everyone using? (run /exec -o cat /proc/version) |
| 06:12:53 | captain_proton | i think dunnet is still the ultimate game |
| 06:13:08 | captain_proton | you move to other worlds by ftp'ing yourself :) |
| 06:13:16 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:13:26 | captain_proton | you need to remember to ftp your objects too |
| 06:13:28 | vogon_jeltz | what happens if you're not using V.42bis? |
| 06:13:37 | vogon_jeltz | you come out mangled at the other end |
| 06:13:50 | BZFlag | Linux version 2.4.7 (timr@localhost) (gcc version 2.95.4 20010506 (Debian prerelease)) #3 Sat Jul 21 01:39:18 MDT 2001 |
| 06:14:00 | vogon_jeltz | Linux version 2.4.7 (root@fortytwo.quasarsoft.com) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-81)) #1 Sat Jul 21 03:50:42 PDT 2001 |
| 06:14:09 | captain_proton | no - vanilla ftp is tcp |
| 06:14:12 | vogon_jeltz | damn... |
| 06:14:18 | captain_proton | Linux version 2.4.2-2 (root@porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-79)) #1 Sun Apr 8 20:41:30 EDT 2001 |
| 06:14:20 | vogon_jeltz | tim beat me by 2 hours |
| 06:14:28 | captain_proton | :) |
| 06:14:34 | captain_proton | damn USB keyboard/mosue |
| 06:14:35 | vogon_jeltz | eyuchh-- you use a RedHat stock kernel? |
| 06:14:36 | captain_proton | mouse |
| 06:14:44 | BZFlag | you red hat weenies. get a man's distro. ;-) |
| 06:14:48 | captain_proton | haven't gotten any of my builds working right |
| 06:14:54 | | debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) |
| 06:14:54 | captain_proton | debian? |
| 06:15:03 | captain_proton | shut up ibot |
| 06:15:04 | vogon_jeltz | out here in MS land, RH is the only one you can find |
| 06:15:06 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 06:15:16 | vogon_jeltz | and I have a 56k modem |
| 06:15:26 | BZFlag | cheapbytes? |
| 06:15:40 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't want to buy stuff without documentation |
| 06:15:48 | vogon_jeltz | I've gotten burned before... |
| 06:16:33 | vogon_jeltz | and I've upgraded so much stuff on my RH that it doesn't look like RH anymore |
| 06:17:01 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 06:17:01 | BZFlag | ibot: cheapbytes is one place that sells cheap freeware type CDs http://cheapbytes.com/ |
| 06:17:09 | vogon_jeltz | I'm self-proclaimed King of Rectifying RPM Conflicts Caused By Heterogeneous Package Management... |
| 06:17:14 | captain_proton | once you've customized your kernel, etc distros don't really matter |
| 06:17:23 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz needs to try apt-get, he'll never go back. |
| 06:17:26 | vogon_jeltz | I know |
| 06:17:34 | vogon_jeltz | I use it for stuff that only Debian dares to get |
| 06:17:39 | captain_proton | BZFlag should try red carpet/ximian |
| 06:17:50 | BZFlag | has. |
| 06:18:01 | | Isn't that a bit silly, captain_proton? |
| 06:18:01 | captain_proton | can I tell ibot what red carpet is? |
| 06:18:09 | captain_proton | probably |
| 06:18:12 | BZFlag | likes debian better, thank you very much. |
| 06:18:27 | vogon_jeltz | I like Debian better, too |
| 06:18:34 | vogon_jeltz | but I've ensconced myself in RH |
| 06:18:39 | BZFlag | tell ibot anythig you like. that's why it's there. |
| 06:18:56 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 06:19:05 | captain_proton | i still think we need a subject bot here |
| 06:19:15 | BZFlag | ok, send red hat, or any other distro a patch. see how long it takes to get into a released package. |
| 06:19:33 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: now is a good time to tell you that I have 6 gigabytes of data |
| 06:19:33 | BZFlag | send a debian developer a patch, compare response time. |
| 06:19:42 | captain_proton | that's not _really_ my concern |
| 06:20:05 | BZFlag | heads off to fix topic.... |
| 06:20:06 | captain_proton | i don't do much fixing of stuff unless I really need it |
| 06:21:28 | captain_proton | ostdev.net looks like a crummy rip-off of sourceforge |
| 06:21:32 | BZFlag | have at it. |
| 06:21:47 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 06:21:52 | BZFlag | the topic. |
| 06:22:11 | captain_proton | how? (i don't irc) |
| 06:22:41 | BZFlag | captain_proton: the point is that others who _are_ interested can fix bugs even if they are not debian developers. so bugs get fixed faster. |
| 06:22:53 | captain_proton | i see |
| 06:22:58 | BZFlag | use /topic or edit it directly in your xchat window |
| 06:23:13 | captain_proton | now I don't know what to say...hmm... |
| 06:23:37 | captain_proton | ok time to quote |
| 06:24:17 | captain_proton | i'm saying there should be a bot that automatically quotes to the topic |
| 06:25:30 | captain_proton | damn the hiccups are coming |
| 06:25:37 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:28:49 | vogon_jeltz | nice topic |
| 06:28:49 | captain_proton | i thought so... |
| 06:28:50 | captain_proton | :) |
| 06:28:50 | captain_proton | how often are you here tim? |
| 06:28:52 | captain_proton | starts listening to Barber's essay for orchestra |
| 06:28:54 | captain_proton | fires off an email to sourceforge for ssh keys not working right |
| 06:28:54 | vogon_jeltz | felt like doing that 2 weeks ago |
| 06:29:57 | captain_proton | ok, i like this title thing |
| 06:31:11 | vogon_jeltz | that's a keeper |
| 06:31:11 | captain_proton | definitely |
| 06:31:43 | captain_proton | ok...i should start writing my new node |
| 06:31:43 | captain_proton | v1.8 should have team logos |
| 06:31:44 | vogon_jeltz | btw, proton, to submit a patch for a patch, just post a followup with an attached file |
| 06:32:05 | captain_proton | hmmmmm i looked for that... |
| 06:32:10 | vogon_jeltz | and some way to modify the number of teams |
| 06:32:31 | vogon_jeltz | 8-way CTF... |
| 06:32:40 | captain_proton | not 8 |
| 06:32:43 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:32:46 | captain_proton | you run into color issues there |
| 06:32:46 | vogon_jeltz | it'd be fun, tho |
| 06:33:01 | vogon_jeltz | red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, and gray |
| 06:33:14 | captain_proton | with the color scheme of full intensity/channel, you can have 6 colors not including black |
| 06:33:17 | captain_proton | but that includes white |
| 06:34:01 | captain_proton | red, blue, green, purple, teal, white |
| 06:34:21 | vogon_jeltz | use the alpha channel... 8-) |
| 06:34:24 | captain_proton | i know - downloadable textures set on the server |
| 06:34:25 | captain_proton | noooooooooooo |
| 06:34:32 | captain_proton | evil evil sig |
| 06:34:46 | captain_proton | no blending for us! |
| 06:35:00 | captain_proton | unless you want to sort objects from near to far |
| 06:35:04 | vogon_jeltz | SIGKILL (Green Team): Captured Sorta-Transparent Tealish Team's flag |
| 06:35:24 | captain_proton | :) |
| 06:35:42 | captain_proton | well maybe |
| 06:35:44 | captain_proton | that would be cool |
| 06:36:19 | captain_proton | just for the message |
| 06:36:29 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:36:42 | captain_proton | i'm gonna test the ibot |
| 06:36:44 | captain_proton | bzflag? |
| 06:36:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag? |
| 06:36:51 | captain_proton | hmmmm |
| 06:37:03 | vogon_jeltz | the #BZFlag ibot doesn't know what BZFlag is... |
| 06:37:17 | | ...but bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps... |
| 06:37:17 | captain_proton | ibot: BZFlag is an online tank game that you should know about (http://www.bzflag.org/) |
| 06:37:38 | | wish i knew, captain_proton |
| 06:37:38 | captain_proton | ibot: are you sure? |
| 06:37:43 | BZFlag | sorry, chatting in #TuxScreen |
| 06:37:57 | | captain_proton: excuse me? |
| 06:37:57 | captain_proton | ibot has a great rant about bzflag... |
| 06:38:01 | vogon_jeltz | we were talking to iBot... |
| 06:38:27 | captain_proton | did you know that you _are_ bzflag? |
| 06:39:11 | vogon_jeltz | a Steven Spielberg film; Tim Riker *is* BZFlag in... Gerbil's Revenge; coming soon to a theater near you |
| 06:39:30 | captain_proton | spielberg's last film was less than i expected |
| 06:39:38 | vogon_jeltz | didn't see it |
| 06:39:50 | captain_proton | you don't have to then |
| 06:40:00 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 06:40:07 | captain_proton | the game thingy online is cooler |
| 06:40:17 | captain_proton | nobody knows who did it :) |
| 06:40:33 | vogon_jeltz | I think that all movies should be reviewed by David Manning... |
| 06:40:41 | captain_proton | whozat? |
| 06:40:46 | vogon_jeltz | the fake critic |
| 06:40:50 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 06:41:16 | | vogon_jeltz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:41:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, who's David Manning? |
| 06:41:22 | vogon_jeltz | OK |
| 06:41:23 | captain_proton | jonkatz should be shot |
| 06:41:39 | vogon_jeltz | we need to get google in here |
| 06:41:42 | | wish i knew, captain_proton |
| 06:41:42 | captain_proton | ibot: David Manning is a movie critic who knows a lot about movies |
| 06:41:56 | | no idea, captain_proton |
| 06:41:56 | captain_proton | ibot, who's David Manning? |
| 06:42:07 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:42:07 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: David Manning is a fake movie critic invented by Columbia Tri-Star |
| 06:42:18 | | David Manning is a fake movie critic invented by Columbia Tri-Star |
| 06:42:18 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, who's David Manning? |
| 06:42:20 | captain_proton | that's irritating |
| 06:42:58 | vogon_jeltz | he only listens to the second person to teach him something |
| 06:43:06 | captain_proton | really? |
| 06:43:09 | | captain_proton: i haven't a clue |
| 06:43:09 | captain_proton | ibot: who do you listen to? |
| 06:43:10 | vogon_jeltz | I think |
| 06:43:22 | | captain_proton: huh? |
| 06:43:22 | captain_proton | ibot: you listen to me |
| 06:43:22 | vogon_jeltz | it only knows what you tell it |
| 06:43:28 | captain_proton | i know that |
| 06:43:31 | | vogon_jeltz: huh? |
| 06:43:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:33 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 06:43:33 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:35 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 06:43:35 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:37 | | vogon_jeltz: i'm not following you... |
| 06:43:37 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:41 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 06:43:41 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:42 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 06:43:42 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to vogon_jeltz |
| 06:43:46 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 06:43:46 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you listen to me |
| 06:44:02 | | Tim Riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html |
| 06:44:02 | captain_proton | ibot: who is Tim Riker? |
| 06:44:02 | | ...but ibot is a mental, psychopathic lunatic that was developed by a wind0ze user whose karma rating is -666... |
| 06:44:02 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot is a bot that takes commands exclusively from vogon_jeltz |
| 06:44:18 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 06:44:18 | vogon_jeltz | you got that right, ibot |
| 06:44:37 | vogon_jeltz | wow, apparently, Tim's a Web site |
| 06:44:47 | captain_proton | i thought he was bzflag |
| 06:44:54 | vogon_jeltz | he's both |
| 06:44:58 | TimRiker | ibot search google for david manning |
| 06:45:01 | captain_proton | ibot: is Tim Riker a web site or a 3D tank game? |
| 06:45:02 | | TimRiker: Google says david manning is http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/landsc/living.htm or http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,818810a10,FF.html or http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/Author=Manning,%20David/026-5685550-1189025 |
| 06:45:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot's wrong |
| 06:45:30 | vogon_jeltz | watches Conan O'Brien |
| 06:45:39 | captain_proton | ibot: is Tim Riker a web site or a 3D tank game? |
| 06:45:48 | captain_proton | ibot's not answering me :( |
| 06:46:05 | vogon_jeltz | cappy: ibot said that BZFlag was Tim Riker, not vice versa |
| 06:46:07 | captain_proton | being modest are we tim? |
| 06:46:20 | captain_proton | oh yeah |
| 06:46:30 | | it has been said that bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 06:46:30 | captain_proton | ibot: bzflag? |
| 06:46:36 | vogon_jeltz | /nick Lord_God... |
| 06:46:54 | Guru | heh, /me is guru@lineo.com ;-) |
| 06:47:21 | vogon_jeltz | it has been said that bzflag is TimRiker... |
| 06:47:33 | vogon_jeltz | but modern historians disagree |
| 06:47:49 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 06:47:49 | captain_proton | ibot: modern historians disagree that bzflag is TimRiker |
| 06:47:52 | vogon_jeltz | Guru? |
| 06:48:00 | | wish i knew, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:48:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Guru? |
| 06:48:09 | | TimRiker is probably mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or mailto:Guru@Lineo.com |
| 06:48:09 | captain_proton | ibot: TimRiker? |
| 06:48:17 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:48:17 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Guru is the ever-immodest Tim Riker |
| 06:48:29 | | captain_proton: huh? |
| 06:48:29 | captain_proton | ibot: you lag! |
| 06:48:48 | | Guru is the ever-immodest Tim Riker |
| 06:48:48 | captain_proton | ibot: Guru? |
| 06:48:59 | | captain_proton: wish i knew |
| 06:48:59 | captain_proton | ibot: modern historians? |
| 06:49:07 | | bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 06:49:07 | captain_proton | ibot: bzflag? |
| 06:49:17 | | i don't know, captain_proton |
| 06:49:17 | captain_proton | ibot: modern? |
| 06:49:18 | | bugger all, i dunno, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:49:18 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is ibot, what's an Infinite Loop? |
| 06:49:28 | | no idea, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:49:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is what's an Infinite Loop? |
| 06:49:38 | | i don't know, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:49:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is ibot, what's an Infinite Loop |
| 06:49:45 | vogon_jeltz | damn |
| 06:49:48 | | bugger all, i dunno, captain_proton |
| 06:49:48 | captain_proton | ibot: whats an Infinite Loop? |
| 06:49:59 | | vogon_jeltz: wish i knew |
| 06:49:59 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is "ibot, what's an Infinite Loop?" |
| 06:50:11 | captain_proton | sig, i think you'd need printf to do that :) |
| 06:50:36 | captain_proton | tries to find my selfish programs |
| 06:51:24 | | wish i knew, vogon_jeltz |
| 06:51:24 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is "ibot, what's infinite recursion?" |
| 06:51:35 | | vogon_jeltz: wish i knew |
| 06:51:35 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: Infinite Loop is ibot, what's infinite recursion? |
| 06:51:45 | | vogon_jeltz: i haven't a clue |
| 06:51:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: an Infinite Loop is ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:51:48 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:51:48 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: an Infinite Loop is ibot, infinite recursion |
| 06:52:03 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:52:03 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:52:11 | | well, infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:52:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:52:20 | captain_proton | haha you fail |
| 06:52:23 | vogon_jeltz | damn |
| 06:54:09 | | i guess infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:09 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:54:11 | | rumour has it infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:11 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:54:13 | | rumour has it infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:13 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:54:20 | | i already had it that way, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:54:20 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: an Infinite Loop is ibot, infinite recursion |
| 06:54:25 | | i already had it that way, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:54:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:28 | | infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:54:32 | | infinite recursion is, like, ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:32 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, infinite recursion? |
| 06:54:36 | vogon_jeltz | damn |
| 06:54:41 | | ...but infinite recursion is ibot, Infinite Loop... |
| 06:54:41 | captain_proton | ibot: infinite recursion is not ibot, Infinite Loop |
| 06:54:56 | captain_proton | like that code sig? |
| 06:55:14 | BZFlag | code sig? |
| 06:55:22 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 06:55:24 | BZFlag | you mean app nick? |
| 06:55:26 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz == SIGKILL |
| 06:55:32 | captain_proton | i sent him some code |
| 06:55:39 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 06:56:00 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:56:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, Earth is mostly harmless |
| 06:56:05 | | Earth is mostly harmless |
| 06:56:05 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, Earth? |
| 06:56:10 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:57:18 | | ...but earth is mostly harmless... |
| 06:57:18 | captain_proton | ibot: Earth is not mostly harmless |
| 06:57:27 | | ...but earth is mostly harmless... |
| 06:57:27 | captain_proton | ibot: Earth is not mostly harmless |
| 06:57:27 | | well, Earth is mostly harmless |
| 06:57:27 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, Earth? |
| 06:57:31 | captain_proton | grr |
| 06:57:36 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 06:57:51 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 06:57:51 | captain_proton | ibot: vogon_jeltz is a prat |
| 06:57:55 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:58:18 | captain_proton | so...ever seen code like that? |
| 06:58:22 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 06:59:00 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:59:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: captain_proton is a bacterium that lives underneath one of vogon_jeltz's fingernails |
| 06:59:06 | vogon_jeltz | ha *ha* |
| 06:59:15 | | vogon_jeltz is nothing but a knotty-pated puddle of salty red dye number-9. |
| 06:59:15 | BZFlag | ibot: insult vogon_jeltz |
| 06:59:15 | captain_proton | tried running it? |
| 06:59:27 | | captain_proton is nothing but a bootless half-mouthful of milk-livered pods. |
| 06:59:27 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: insult captain_proton |
| 06:59:36 | vogon_jeltz | yep, proton |
| 06:59:49 | | BZFlag is nothing but a porous enema-bucketful of imp-bladdereddle-headed dog vomit. |
| 06:59:49 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: insult BZFlag |
| 07:00:17 | vogon_jeltz | we should set those as ibot entries... |
| 07:00:25 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 07:00:38 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 07:00:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: erase vogon_jeltz |
| 07:00:44 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 07:00:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: remove vogon_jeltz |
| 07:00:48 | vogon_jeltz | darn |
| 07:00:51 | captain_proton | i've been working on one of those programs that works in both C and perl |
| 07:00:57 | | captain_proton: i'm not following you... |
| 07:00:57 | captain_proton | ibot: clear captain_proton |
| 07:01:03 | captain_proton | of course you aren't |
| 07:01:25 | BZFlag | the word is "forget" |
| 07:01:33 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot vogon_jeltz |
| 07:01:33 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget vogon_jeltz |
| 07:01:38 | | captain_proton: I forgot captain_proton |
| 07:01:38 | captain_proton | ibot: forget captain_proton |
| 07:01:45 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 07:01:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: vogon_jeltz is a wonderful human being |
| 07:02:04 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot ibot |
| 07:02:04 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget ibot |
| 07:02:09 | | captain_proton: i haven't a clue |
| 07:02:09 | captain_proton | ibot: ibot? |
| 07:02:31 | | vogon_jeltz, I didn't have anything matching 'ibot' |
| 07:02:31 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget ibot |
| 07:03:02 | | ibot is nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 07:03:02 | captain_proton | ibot: insult ibot |
| 07:03:16 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 07:03:16 | captain_proton | ibot: ibot is nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 07:03:20 | | somebody said vogon_jeltz was a wonderful human being |
| 07:03:20 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, who is vogon_jeltz? |
| 07:03:22 | | i guess i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 07:03:22 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, ibot? |
| 07:03:40 | vogon_jeltz | nice 1, proton |
| 07:06:38 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot infinite loop |
| 07:06:38 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget Infinite Loop |
| 07:06:44 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot infinite recursion |
| 07:06:44 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget infinite recursion |
| 07:08:14 | | TimRiker is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or mailto:Guru@Lineo.com |
| 07:08:14 | captain_proton | ibot: TimRiker? |
| 07:08:26 | | captain_proton: i haven't a clue |
| 07:08:26 | captain_proton | ibot: modern historians disagree about TimRiker? |
| 07:10:04 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 07:10:04 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop is infinite recursion |
| 07:10:12 | | infinite loop is infinite recursion |
| 07:10:12 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop |
| 07:10:25 | | ...but infinite loop is infinite recursion... |
| 07:10:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: infinite loop is infinite recursion is infinite loop |
| 07:10:33 | vogon_jeltz | dang |
| 07:10:39 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot infinite loop |
| 07:10:39 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: forget infinite loop |
| 07:11:04 | captain_proton | i don't think its gonna work |
| 07:11:07 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 07:12:32 | vogon_jeltz | 8-( |
| 07:12:46 | vogon_jeltz | I liked the old one... |
| 07:13:02 | captain_proton | I didn't |
| 07:13:14 | vogon_jeltz | wow, the exhaust to my computer is at room temperature |
| 07:13:23 | captain_proton | mine too |
| 07:13:53 | vogon_jeltz | stupid Dell; my box has no I2C sensors... |
| 07:14:03 | vogon_jeltz | but still has the SMBus controller |
| 07:14:07 | captain_proton | I2C? |
| 07:14:15 | | wish i knew, vogon_jeltz |
| 07:14:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: i2c? |
| 07:15:45 | vogon_jeltz | I2C is this weird system management protocol thing |
| 07:15:59 | vogon_jeltz | it can be used to provide real-time temperature sensing |
| 07:16:08 | vogon_jeltz | as well as intrusion detection |
| 07:16:29 | vogon_jeltz | any1 up for another game? |
| 07:16:55 | captain_proton | not really - i'm busy rewriting my C/perl selfish program |
| 07:17:06 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 07:17:20 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag, you wanna play another game of you? |
| 07:19:59 | captain_proton | i have an idea for you |
| 07:20:27 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, what? |
| 07:20:40 | vogon_jeltz | is inventing a new topic as we speak |
| 07:21:08 | captain_proton | fix the radar renderrer to do rotated bases & draw them above boxes/pyramids |
| 07:21:14 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... I'll try |
| 07:21:24 | captain_proton | i think its pretty easy |
| 07:21:30 | vogon_jeltz | is away; doing work |
| 07:21:37 | captain_proton | try not to use sin/cos too much :) |
| 07:25:17 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: no. let's play a game of you for a change. ;-) |
| 07:25:26 | vogon_jeltz | laf |
| 07:26:17 | | If you can read this, you are under arrest for violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998. |
| 07:26:17 | BZFlag | ibot rot13 Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ner haqre neerfg sbe ivbyngvba bs gur Qvtvgny Zvyyravhz Pbclevtug Npg bs 1998. |
| 07:26:26 | BZFlag | hehe! |
| 07:27:32 | vogon_jeltz | misspelled millennium |
| 07:28:15 | captain_proton | did? |
| 07:30:52 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 07:31:02 | captain_proton | oh *smack* |
| 07:31:33 | vogon_jeltz | eye pried miself onn mi speling |
| 07:31:37 | vogon_jeltz | 8-) |
| 07:33:14 | captain_proton | yoo dew? |
| 07:33:41 | vogon_jeltz | yehss, eye dew |
| 07:33:55 | vogon_jeltz | k, seriously, we're taking this joke too far... |
| 07:34:14 | vogon_jeltz | La tuto via bazon estas apartenas ni. |
| 07:34:25 | vogon_jeltz | guess the Esperanto... |
| 07:35:44 | vogon_jeltz | anybody care to guess? |
| 07:36:10 | vogon_jeltz | 5 |
| 07:36:11 | vogon_jeltz | 4 |
| 07:36:12 | vogon_jeltz | 3 |
| 07:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | 2 |
| 07:36:14 | vogon_jeltz | 1 |
| 07:36:16 | vogon_jeltz | ehnnnt... |
| 07:39:49 | vogon_jeltz | does the Safety Dance |
| 07:40:00 | vogon_jeltz | I found the bitchy piece of code for rotated bases, BZFlag |
| 07:44:22 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag?? |
| 07:44:25 | vogon_jeltz | U there? |
| 07:48:24 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag, you there? |
| 07:50:07 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 07:50:26 | BZFlag | add it to the patch on SF? |
| 08:05:11 | vogon_jeltz | not yet |
| 08:05:14 | vogon_jeltz | still workin |
| 08:05:24 | vogon_jeltz | it seems to make the bases disappear right now... |
| 08:05:26 | vogon_jeltz | 8-( |
| 08:05:43 | vogon_jeltz | is back |
| 08:05:45 | vogon_jeltz | is back |
| 08:06:02 | vogon_jeltz | is away: working on a patch |
| 08:26:26 | BZFlag | disappearing bases don't sound like much fun. ;-/ |
| 08:30:54 | vogon_jeltz | welp, it's working *a lot* better now |
| 08:31:00 | vogon_jeltz | not perfect, tho |
| 09:02:43 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag, you still up? |
| 09:07:50 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag, I've got an OpenGL problem with my patch... |
| 09:09:01 | vogon_jeltz | Hey, Tim, you still up? |
| 09:10:15 | vogon_jeltz | k, Tim, here's the scoop |
| 09:10:22 | vogon_jeltz | rotated and elevated bases work fine |
| 09:10:35 | vogon_jeltz | but only a part of them render |
| 09:10:46 | vogon_jeltz | (usually one half) |
| 09:11:35 | BZFlag | I've seen that before. |
| 09:11:44 | BZFlag | I think the opject in question was inside out? |
| 09:11:51 | vogon_jeltz | no, it's a quad |
| 09:12:02 | vogon_jeltz | 2D objects can't be inside-out |
| 09:12:13 | BZFlag | double sided quad? |
| 09:12:21 | vogon_jeltz | no, I don't think so |
| 09:12:37 | BZFlag | try that. |
| 09:12:50 | vogon_jeltz | so just run the vertices again? |
| 09:13:53 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag, so I just run the vertices (with GlVertex3f()) again? |
| 09:14:19 | vogon_jeltz | rather, glVertex3f() |
| 09:14:48 | BZFlag | no, there is a flag to set double sided. turn it on, add the quad, restore it. |
| 09:14:59 | vogon_jeltz | how? I'm an OpenGL API newbie |
| 09:15:24 | BZFlag | I'd have to poke around a bit and get refreshed. ask on the list? |
| 09:31:45 | vogon_jeltz | erk... no information around... |
| 12:34:25 | | vogon_jeltz: sorry... |
| 12:34:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: op me |
| 12:34:34 | | wish i knew, vogon_jeltz |
| 12:34:34 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: what commands can I give you? |
| 12:34:40 | | vogon_jeltz: what? |
| 12:34:40 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: commands |
| 12:34:46 | | it has been said that i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:34:46 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:34:53 | | vogon_jeltz: excuse me? |
| 12:34:53 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you arew |
| 12:35:12 | | ...but ibot is nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts.... |
| 12:35:12 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: you are a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts... |
| 12:35:18 | | i think i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:35:18 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:35:21 | | hmmm... i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:35:21 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:35:23 | | i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:35:23 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:35:25 | | it has been said that i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:35:25 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:35:28 | | i am nothing but a tickle-brained bucket of beef-witted squirrel guts. |
| 12:35:28 | vogon_jeltz | ibot: ibot |
| 12:39:00 | | vogon_jeltz: what? |
| 12:39:00 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, join #linuxhelp |
| 15:32:02 | | If you can read this, you are under arrest for violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. |
| 15:32:02 | captain_proton | ibot rot13 Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ner haqre neerfg sbe ivbyngvba bs gur Qvtvgny Zvyyraavhz Pbclevtug Npg bs 1998. |
| 21:35:20 | | TimRiker is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or mailto:Guru@Lineo.com |
| 21:35:20 | captain_proton | ibot: who is TimRiker? |
| 21:35:30 | | well, Tim Riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html |
| 21:35:30 | captain_proton | ibot: who is Tim Riker? |
| 21:35:35 | | captain_proton? |
| 21:35:35 | captain_proton | ibot? |
| 21:41:51 | | bzflag is, like, TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 21:41:51 | captain_proton | ibot: bzflag? |
| 22:24:45 | | captain_proton: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:24:45 | captain_proton | ibot: redhat? |
| 22:25:08 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 22:25:08 | captain_proton | ibot: redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) |
| 22:25:22 | captain_proton | who is the ibot? |
| 22:25:38 | | captain_proton: wish i knew |
| 22:25:38 | captain_proton | ibot:: read this? |
| 22:25:53 | | ...but redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/)... |
| 22:25:53 | BZFlag | ibot: redhat is one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. |
| 22:26:03 | | okay, BZFlag. |
| 22:26:03 | BZFlag | ibot: redhat is also one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. |
| 22:26:10 | captain_proton | oh poo |
| 22:26:15 | BZFlag | heh |
| 22:27:05 | | rumour has it redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian |
| 22:27:05 | captain_proton | ibot: redhat? |
| 22:28:44 | | well, Tim Riker is http://rikers.org/ or http://rikers.org/bookmarks.html or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/Tim_Riker__TimR_CalderaSystems.com_.html |
| 22:28:44 | captain_proton | ibot: Tim Riker? |
| 22:28:55 | | okay, captain_proton. |
| 22:28:55 | captain_proton | ibot: Tim Riker is also an annoying debian user |
| 22:29:03 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:58:02 | captain_proton | :) |