| 00:05.57 | dli | brlcad, my second try for rt_revolve_xfrom(): http://paste.pocoo.org/show/351409/ |
| 00:10.30 | starseeker | Gah, what happened to Project Ideas |
| 00:11.10 | starseeker | oh, that's the Code_In |
| 00:11.13 | starseeker | nevermind, carry on |
| 00:21.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2532 10/wiki/MGED_Sketch_Editor_Migration_and_Enhancement: Sketch editor |
| 00:34.47 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2533 10/wiki/Ayam_Editor_Feature_Integration: Ayam editor integration |
| 00:45.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2534 10/wiki/Analytical_Raytracing_Visualization: analytical raytracing GUI |
| 00:59.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2535 10/wiki/Level_of_Detail_Wireframes: LOD wireframes |
| 01:10.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2536 10/wiki/BoT_Editing: BoT editing |
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| 02:48.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2538 10/wiki/Graph_layout_based_geometry_hierarchy_view: graph based viewing |
| 02:49.33 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2539 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: |
| 02:50.10 | starseeker | Well, at this rate I'll be done in a few more days :-/ |
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| 02:57.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2541 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: move HDR entry |
| 02:57.46 | KimK | On the brlcad.org homepage,what does it mean "...licensed at over 2,000 sites..."? Licensed how? |
| 02:58.11 | starseeker | KimK: I think that refers to the pre-open-source days |
| 03:00.07 | KimK | OK, thanks. I could only find BSD, GNU, and similar in the FAQs, Wiki, etc. , and I was confused. |
| 03:00.37 | starseeker | KimK: BRL-CAD being open source is a relatively recent thing (compared to its overall history) |
| 03:01.25 | starseeker | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/08/1823248 |
| 03:01.56 | KimK | OK, very good what year did it open? I missed that part. So that text should perhaps read "...in use at over 2,000 sites..."? Oops, I'm typing too slow again, I'll bet you're ahead of me. |
| 03:10.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2542 10/wiki/Analysis_Library: analysis library |
| 03:21.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2543 10/wiki/Geometry_Conversion_Library: geometry conversion |
| 03:24.16 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2544 10/wiki/Geometry_Conversion_Library: |
| 03:24.51 | brlcad | dli: I saw that, commented right after you left -- that's totally awesome |
| 03:26.08 | brlcad | dli: can you post that patch file to our patches tracker? |
| 03:26.38 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 03:40.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2545 10/wiki/GED_Transactions: GED transactions |
| 04:04.59 | KimK | I tried installing the BRL-CAD .deb (Ubuntu 10.04), Gdebi says I need libncurses5 (>= 5.7+20100313), I have what must be the latest, it is 5.7, but it's 20090803-2ub. Any advice? |
| 04:10.50 | KimK | Go plead my case to the Ubuntu libncurses5 maintainers, I guess? Please post any advice and I'll check back later. Thanks in advance. |
| 04:11.41 | louipc | you sure the deb is appropriate for your distro? |
| 04:13.05 | louipc | as far as I understand debian and ubuntu are not quite interchangable anymore |
| 04:13.53 | dli | brlcad, thanks, still testing it, need to get it work before posting to tracker |
| 04:13.57 | louipc | so you may need to alter some things if you want a debian package to work with ubuntu |
| 04:14.14 | brlcad | dli: ah, thought you already had it finished :) |
| 04:15.20 | dli | brlcad, not yet. still have to test how it work. also, I'm still not sure I can simply keep the 2d vectors |
| 04:15.21 | brlcad | louipc: are you interested in being a gsoc mentor? |
| 04:16.41 | brlcad | ~seen jordisayol |
| 04:16.42 | ibot | brlcad: i haven't seen 'jordisayol' |
| 04:16.47 | louipc | brlcad: I would, but I don't have much free time unfortunately :( |
| 04:18.02 | KimK | louipc: OK, thanks, I had not considered that I might not be able to use a .deb on Ubuntu anymore, I'll look into that. |
| 04:18.17 | louipc | brlcad: Not really sure how I could mentor either since I'm not horribly active in the project :/ |
| 04:18.39 | louipc | KimK: you can use .deb packages, but they should be packaged specifically for Ubuntu |
| 04:19.38 | brlcad | louipc: anyone who has contributed enough to be trusted enough with commit access is eligible, participation is voluntary for everyone |
| 04:20.16 | KimK | louipc: Do you know if there a BRL-CAD developer who packages for ubuntu? Maybe from his own web page or PPA? |
| 04:20.28 | louipc | I could mentor as in "It works" "it doesn't work, fix it" :D |
| 04:20.41 | louipc | KimK: not sure |
| 04:21.03 | KimK | louipc: OK, thanks. |
| 04:21.19 | brlcad | KimK: jordi put together the recent .deb files |
| 04:21.36 | brlcad | ~seen epileg |
| 04:21.37 | ibot | epileg <~epileg@unaffiliated/epileg> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 2d 13h 6m 39s ago, saying: 'here in spain, exactly same as ``Erik'. |
| 04:21.45 | brlcad | that's him |
| 04:23.34 | brlcad | louipc: good to know -- we have a decent number of "auditing" mentors this year, so just putting out feelers for folks in our community interested in taking on a student |
| 04:23.43 | brlcad | which is generally 10-20 hours a week |
| 04:24.13 | louipc | oh man that would be too much |
| 04:26.08 | brlcad | add's up fast -- just an hour or two a day of discussion on IRC will add up to around that much |
| 04:26.33 | brlcad | but no problem, figured worth asking -- let me know if you change your mind |
| 04:26.58 | louipc | is that like a 3mo gig? |
| 04:27.20 | brlcad | roughly |
| 04:27.59 | brlcad | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
| 04:49.30 | starseeker | brlcad: If I can't get to 40, we may just have to live with it... |
| 04:49.39 | starseeker | I've got to sleep soon, been a long day here |
| 04:49.45 | brlcad | heh, that's great |
| 04:50.07 | brlcad | it's plenty, better to have 30 that are solid than 40 that are all half-arsed |
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| 04:51.22 | starseeker | I'm at 16 now, and given I need to review them all once more... I'll work it tomorrow morning too, of course |
| 04:51.49 | brlcad | me too, started on the application a while ago |
| 04:52.40 | starseeker | moron former homeowners claimed they didn't need the sump pump, and we didn't have to worry about it |
| 04:52.56 | starseeker | Wrong |
| 04:53.20 | ``Erik | lame |
| 04:53.29 | ``Erik | you're not in a designated flood area, I imagine? |
| 04:53.47 | starseeker | no, but the front half of our home is partially underground |
| 04:53.53 | ``Erik | so'z no flood insurance or anything... |
| 04:54.01 | starseeker | nah, we'll have to eat it |
| 04:54.06 | ``Erik | 4 days of solid rain is weird for md |
| 04:54.11 | brlcad | you also believed them :) |
| 04:54.29 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, I know - I'm not claiming any medals |
| 04:54.47 | ``Erik | I'm glad mine is a slab, back yard turns to swamp, but no flooding :) |
| 04:54.48 | brlcad | any hole in the ground is subject to water pressure |
| 04:55.25 | starseeker | figured if they had gotten away with it so long, must mean the local lay of the land was such that there wasn't significant water presence |
| 04:55.37 | starseeker | turns out they were just really friggin lucky |
| 04:55.52 | brlcad | or they never went down there ;) |
| 04:56.08 | starseeker | <snort> yeah, that may be too |
| 04:56.35 | starseeker | also, they only added the carpet in 2008 (we found out today) so perhaps they wouldn't have noticed earlier incidents |
| 04:56.44 | brlcad | I'm wanting to dig and install a french drain down mine, plenty of hydrostatic pressure here |
| 04:57.04 | brlcad | really just wants an excuse to buy a jackhammer |
| 04:57.05 | ``Erik | I'm sure you're well above the aquafer and have permeable soil, these last few days have been massive with the consistent rainfall, the soil is all saturating and there's nowhere for it to go... |
| 04:57.10 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:57.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, noticed that - grounds as wet as squishy as I can ever remember seeing it here |
| 04:58.11 | starseeker | we may be "lucking out" and getting that right set of circumstances the former owners never happened to get |
| 04:58.14 | ``Erik | um, I kinda got a bit stuck at work... in the grass/mud... with 4wd :D tore up a bit of grass this evening |
| 04:58.25 | starseeker | but still, I should have known better - they didn't add the sump system for nothing |
| 04:58.39 | starseeker | it cost money to add, and lord knows nothing in this place cost more than it had to... |
| 04:58.42 | ``Erik | standing water all along the grass strip there |
| 04:59.13 | starseeker | nods - when I had to park in grass this morning, I didn't even consider going in front first |
| 04:59.48 | ``Erik | was able to get out fine for lunch, it was after another few hours of rain that it just turned to mud |
| 05:00.41 | starseeker | brlcad: you're getting as bad as Bob, considering the relative sizes of your properties - for you a jackhammer would take almost as much relative storage space as Bob's backhoe |
| 05:00.56 | ``Erik | gonna have to wetvac one of the carpet bits, van drug in all sorts of mud O.o |
| 05:01.09 | starseeker | ick |
| 05:01.21 | brlcad | naw, they don't take that much space |
| 05:01.32 | ``Erik | heh, jackhammer would fit down brlcad's suicide hole |
| 05:01.47 | brlcad | that's exactly where I intend to start |
| 05:02.16 | brlcad | if i'm going to install a sauna down there, I want the hydrostatic pressure released |
| 05:03.47 | ``Erik | gym has a sauna, make it a combo wine cellar/humidor :D |
| 05:04.56 | brlcad | it'll have a wine rack, shower, sauna, sink, and toilet; still debating on the hot tub |
| 05:05.03 | ``Erik | or put a rack down there to hang your car |
| 05:05.28 | brlcad | oh I totally thought about installing an elevator to lower my car into "the pit" |
| 05:05.34 | ``Erik | has been wondering about putting in a slab under his deck to put a hot tub on |
| 05:06.16 | brlcad | kind of like these: http://dornob.com/secret-agent-style-stealth-lift-patio-car-elevator/ |
| 05:06.46 | brlcad | ah, right -- this one almost exactly: http://dornob.com/hydraulic-living-room-car-lift-rides-right-into-your-home/ |
| 05:07.29 | ``Erik | just bolt a couple handles on the side and pick it up :D |
| 05:12.23 | ``Erik | brlcad: do you have the gsoc corrospondance concerning 'more detail' available for starseeker? is it volume, or information density? |
| 05:13.02 | brlcad | what? |
| 05:13.05 | ``Erik | (or did everyone get the same 'guidance' to push the mentors?) |
| 05:14.01 | brlcad | oh that was a private conversation directly to me while they were reviewing our application in '09 |
| 05:14.48 | ``Erik | hm, so nothing to help steer starseeker with that olympian task |
| 05:15.22 | brlcad | it's not quite as bad as it sounds, it's not really volume or density, just sufficient variety to attract a wide range of students |
| 05:16.03 | brlcad | what was there for '09 is what we ended up with *after* I expanded the list in response to them saying we need more |
| 05:16.13 | ``Erik | ah, 'k |
| 05:16.14 | brlcad | so that's about par |
| 05:16.17 | starseeker | ah, that's different |
| 05:16.41 | ``Erik | clarification, w00t |
| 05:17.24 | brlcad | it should basically have at least that much detail, but more importantly be clear that there is a wide range of skills and it is easy for -randome_student- to figure out which topics might be of interest at a glance |
| 05:18.43 | ``Erik | also; starseeker has been breaking things down into a heirarchy with links to the meat, are the goog reviewers going to be cool with that, or do they want a single page view? it'd be fairly simple sql to generate a single "big honkin' page", I'd think |
| 05:19.16 | brlcad | they're unlikely to dive deep |
| 05:19.39 | brlcad | they have hundreds of these to go through, they're going to sweep through the site in all of 30 seconds |
| 05:19.52 | starseeker | we can flatten it at the end, if we must - this is a better way for me to keep track of what is and isn't done yet |
| 05:20.32 | brlcad | hence the focus on clarity and organization, dumb simple clear that there's a lot of topics and possibilities |
| 05:20.50 | brlcad | maybe a shallow hierarchy would be a good balance |
| 05:21.15 | brlcad | like grouping each of the major categories all onto one page together |
| 05:21.41 | ``Erik | they already are, under === == = headers, but the task description is a link |
| 05:21.41 | brlcad | then just have to consider what type of variety those top-level categories convey |
| 05:22.35 | brlcad | right but instead of kicking you off to a page with just one topic (which is kinda useful), it'd kick you over to a page for that category with the other dozen ideas in that topic area |
| 05:23.02 | brlcad | so even if they only click one level deep, they get to see that there are lots of project ideas |
| 05:23.47 | brlcad | I'd stick with the one per page and massive top index for now until they're mostly all fleshed out and named in non-brl-cad-technical terms |
| 05:23.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2546 10/wiki/Geometry_Selection_Functionality: geometry selection |
| 05:37.57 | brlcad | an iges task would be good |
| 05:38.42 | starseeker | I'll see what I can do - convert iges to spit out openNURBS nurbs? |
| 05:41.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2547 10/wiki/Libsvn_within_Geometry_Database_Format: libsvn in .g |
| 05:42.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2548 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Tools */ |
| 05:50.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2549 10/wiki/IGES_import_improvements: IGES updates |
| 05:50.31 | starseeker | ok, I gotta sleep now |
| 05:51.21 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2550 10/wiki/Talk:Error_Messages: |
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| 09:43.21 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43841 10/geomcore/trunk/src/libNet/Portal.cxx: Cleaned up a bit of messageLen checking logic. twas wrong. |
| 09:46.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43842 10/geomcore/trunk/src/interfaces/java/src/org/brlcad/geometryservice/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Performing some java<->c/c++ bug troubleshooting. Added the ability to down sample 16bit character strings to 8bit character strings. |
| 10:48.38 | dli | how do I disable -Werror? |
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| 11:07.18 | dli | src/conv/patch/patch-g.c in 7.18.2 fails with -Werror |
| 13:28.20 | dloman | my prayers to all of you in or have family near the Pacific..... |
| 13:35.08 | dli | dloman, no wonder 'tsunami' is a japanese word. no news of tsunami losses out of japan yet |
| 13:42.06 | starseeker | dli: disable strict |
| 13:44.12 | dli | starseeker, yes, I found out that, but someone may still have to fix patch-g.c |
| 13:44.44 | dli | or it's my compiler, patch-g.c looks alright to me |
| 13:47.08 | starseeker | 7.18.4 should have a lot of strictness fixes |
| 13:49.22 | dli | starseeker, the warning is about uninitilized variables, but it should not happen to me. I will try whether some reorganizing helps the compiler |
| 13:50.22 | starseeker | dli: I'd suggest checking out the lastest subversion trunk and trying that |
| 13:50.46 | dli | starseeker, I will try that |
| 13:57.18 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2551 10/wiki/Space_Partitioning_for_Tessellation: tessellation space paritioning |
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| 14:10.44 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2553 10/wiki/STEP_Libraries: |
| 14:21.59 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2554 10/wiki/NURBS_Intersections: surface/surface |
| 14:27.33 | dloman | dli: death toll (worst guess i've read thus far) is at 60 and climbing. |
| 14:27.50 | dloman | based only on the video footage i've seen, that number's going to go waaay up. |
| 14:28.27 | starseeker | it's bad, but fortunately Japan is accustomed to dealing with earthquakes |
| 14:28.53 | dloman | heh, the quake was nothing, its the tsunami that's destroying everything |
| 14:29.03 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:29.27 | starseeker | if large waves hit less prepared areas of the world, the results could get a lot worse |
| 14:30.02 | dloman | reuter's is reporting that country's oil refineries are on fire, most of their nuclear power plants have experienced an emergency shutdown, etc. |
| 14:30.33 | dloman | righto, that's what most people are saying. the warning system has been greatly enhanced since the indonesia disaster in 2004 |
| 14:30.40 | starseeker | nods - 8.9 is a bad earthquake no matter how prepared you are |
| 14:31.25 | dloman | waiting on news from my cuson Josh. he's station at the naval medical hospital in Okinawa |
| 14:31.47 | dloman | heh s/cuson/cousin/ |
| 14:32.02 | starseeker | I imagine he's probably OK |
| 14:32.28 | starseeker | probably rather busy though |
| 14:32.29 | dloman | he is, i'm just wanting to hear it from him, not his Command :) |
| 14:32.35 | starseeker | ah |
| 14:32.50 | dloman | oh yeah, that slacker is going to finally earn his pay :) |
| 14:38.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2555 10/wiki/NURBS_Tessellation: nurbs tessellatoin |
| 14:40.12 | dloman | wow.... a whirlpool... http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2 |
| 14:41.59 | starseeker | grr s/tessellatoin/tessellation |
| 14:54.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2556 10/wiki/Generalized_abstracted_spacial_partitioning_capability: abstracted space partitioning |
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| 15:03.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2558 10/wiki/Rework_of_libbu/libbn_to_not_require_Tcl: tcl scrubbing |
| 15:13.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2559 10/wiki/Complete_bu_image/libicv_and_redo_all_pix_tools_to_use_it: libicv |
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| 15:31.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2561 10/wiki/Add_exec_option_to_search: search exec |
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| 15:59.36 | brlcad | dloman: so what would a tsunami feel like from inside a sub near the surface but not on the surface? a can of beans? |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2564 10/wiki/SVG_renderer: vector line rendering |
| 16:00.29 | dloman | probably be a lot of rocking and rolling (angles n dangles) but no real biggy. |
| 16:00.45 | dloman | we were at 100ft under a cat 4 hurricane once |
| 16:00.55 | dloman | was lots of pitching, but thats it. |
| 16:00.59 | brlcad | don't think you could get a barrel roll? |
| 16:01.03 | dloman | heh |
| 16:01.24 | dloman | nuclear sub does a barrel roll and you'd have a pretty sizeable nuclear accident :) |
| 16:02.04 | ``Erik | http://seemslegit.com/_images/61b896b4384935498227a03c54b85370/93%20-%20barrel-roll%20ship.jpg |
| 16:03.32 | dloman | not loading for me :/ |
| 16:03.38 | dloman | but I think i have seen that one before. |
| 16:03.51 | ``Erik | cargo ship heeling at 80 or so? |
| 16:03.59 | dloman | ya |
| 16:05.32 | dloman | but on the note of nuclear accidents, seems Japan is going to have one of those too :/ |
| 16:05.54 | dloman | once of their plants scrammed out and they can't get emergency cooling established to the core :( |
| 16:06.18 | brlcad | "shut it off! SHUT IT OFF!" |
| 16:06.25 | dloman | =D |
| 16:06.27 | brlcad | fuck, RUN! |
| 16:06.48 | starseeker | that's Not Good |
| 16:07.02 | dloman | Yeah, they learned something from the chernobyl plants :) |
| 16:07.13 | starseeker | I thought modern plants were supposed to fail safe |
| 16:07.19 | brlcad | dli: curious, now have two impls that are nearly identical but with interesting differences |
| 16:07.27 | dloman | "Whats that big red light and that alarm for?" "Nothing, just keep on with the test" |
| 16:07.46 | dloman | it is 'safe' from a meltdown standpoint. |
| 16:08.03 | dloman | pressurized water reactors shut themselves down on high temp |
| 16:08.30 | starseeker | so what's the accident part? ruin all the core machinery? |
| 16:08.42 | dloman | but the byproducts of the fission process are always activated and have to shed their energy |
| 16:08.54 | dloman | so even a shutdown core will generate heat for weeks. |
| 16:09.16 | brlcad | weenie roast party! |
| 16:09.23 | dloman | run a core at 100% for a few months then scram it and you will see about 7% heat generation for a few hours. |
| 16:10.07 | dloman | that 7% decays to 0% (aka heat gen is < than the losses to ambient) in usually about 15-21 days. |
| 16:10.18 | dloman | the entire time, however, you must provide heat removal |
| 16:10.32 | dloman | which is the problem the Japanese plan is having. |
| 16:10.50 | dloman | the tsunami flooded a lot of their facilities and messed up a bunch of equipment |
| 16:11.05 | dloman | so they are having trouble removing the decay heat. |
| 16:11.54 | dloman | which, if let go unchecked, could reach a high enough temperature to start melting some of the cladding around the fuel rods, thus releasing activated fission products into the coolant. |
| 16:12.00 | ``Erik | read that most of japan's nukes went emergency shutdown and oil refineries are on fire |
| 16:12.07 | dloman | still contained, but a naaaaaaaaaasty cleanup. |
| 16:12.49 | dloman | however, if the tsunami has damaged any of the coolant piping, that nasty stuff could get out.... |
| 16:13.42 | dloman | But, unles they build 'em stupid over there in Japan (not likely) there is usually a backup to the backup to the backup |
| 16:14.11 | dloman | and if their emergency cooling system has failed, then they will prbably fallback on the emergency emergency cooling system :) |
| 16:15.50 | dloman | </AccidentialNukeTheoryClass> ...sorry |
| 16:16.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2565 10/wiki/NMG_Raytracing_Performance_Improvement: nmg raytrace performance |
| 16:17.39 | starseeker | hopes they get it handled, and not just for their sake - last thing the world needs is another reason to be skittish about nuclear power |
| 16:18.40 | starseeker | crap - sounds like that death toll from Japan is going to get a lot higher |
| 16:18.50 | dloman | seen the videos on cnn ? |
| 16:19.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43843 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: apply an initial (reportedly non-working) version of rt_revolve_xform() from dli |
| 16:19.11 | dloman | i watched over 20 cars get swallowed by water.... its going to be really bad |
| 16:21.08 | starseeker | good god - what IS that whirlpool from? |
| 16:21.24 | dloman | dunno, but it stops toward the end. really wierd. |
| 16:21.48 | ``Erik | small fissure opening up? tsunami water draining strangely? |
| 16:21.55 | dloman | http://www.myvisitingcard.com/2011/onagawa-fire-broke-out-declared-nuclear-power-emergency-situation.html |
| 16:22.18 | starseeker | wondered if it was some subterranian crack in the sea floor... |
| 16:22.37 | dloman | Dr evil's secret lair flooded? |
| 16:22.42 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43844 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: move up in order to compare patch |
| 16:24.00 | starseeker | dloman: what's a "nuclear emergency situation"? |
| 16:24.10 | dloman | intentionally vauge |
| 16:24.15 | dloman | =D |
| 16:24.19 | starseeker | humph |
| 16:24.30 | dloman | the article states that they 'cooling the reactor is not going as planned' |
| 16:24.49 | dloman | which means they got th reactors safelt shutdown, but are having issues mantaining cooling to the core. |
| 16:25.00 | dloman | to remove the above mentioned 'decay' heat |
| 16:26.05 | dloman | push comes to shove, the did just have a tsunami, so they have plenty of water to use for cooling. :/ |
| 16:35.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43845 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: |
| 16:35.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: and then merge in his version that reportedly works with a couple changes. we |
| 16:35.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: do need a copy of the bu_vls, so init and cat accordingly. skt was apparently a |
| 16:35.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: typo and MAT4X3VEC instead of MAT4X3PNT is probably what got it working. |
| 16:35.38 | dloman | ah, looks like the waves have finally reached cali |
| 16:38.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43846 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: doxygen + ws |
| 16:39.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43847 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: eip/eop was specific to extrude. use rip/rop for revolve. |
| 16:40.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43848 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/table.c: dli implemented rt_revolve_xform and it compiles, so turn it on for testing |
| 16:42.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2566 10/wiki/Plate_Mode_NURBS_raytracing: plate mode NURBS |
| 16:44.00 | starseeker | Just under 20 to go |
| 16:45.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43849 10/brlcad/trunk/ (AUTHORS NEWS): Dongxu Li implemented support for applying matrix transformations (scale, translate, rotate) to the revolve primitive. promote him up from the special thanks section to being recognized as a code contributor. |
| 16:45.47 | brlcad | kicks off a final release build while he works on the gsoc application |
| 16:48.11 | brlcad | really curious to know whether the the libbu mmap bug affects other tools on windows |
| 16:51.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43850 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: (log message trimmed) |
| 16:51.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: cliff and I apparently (hopefully) squished the 'red' command bug where it |
| 16:51.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: wasn't working on windows. the problem was two-fold. the regex code wasn't |
| 16:51.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: breaking on newlines and (apparently) libbu's mapped_file fallback support had |
| 16:51.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: an off-by-one error where it wasn't terminating the mapped file with a zero |
| 16:51.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: byte. that was causing regex to scan beyond the buffer extent. that issue very |
| 16:51.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: likely affects other tools and interfaces that use our mapped file support on |
| 16:51.55 | brlcad | amazing, went from being a tiny patch release to looking more and more like a full minor update |
| 16:55.46 | brlcad | ``Erik: you have any gimp skill? need a small image to represent the TIE BoT enhancement (max 256x256) |
| 16:57.34 | brlcad | was thinking maybe a two 128x128 images in opposite corners of the 256x256 space, one partially rendered 20%, the other at 100%, with text above/below each respectively saying old mesh rendering and new approach |
| 16:58.11 | brlcad | or maybe a new validation image of the truck showing the pixdiff differences, scaled down |
| 16:58.20 | brlcad | (or rendered at that size even better) |
| 17:10.15 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2567 10/wiki/CSG_to_NURBS_conversion: finish up CSG->Brep |
| 18:01.24 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2568 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: Remove a few entries - getting down to the wire |
| 18:26.06 | ``Erik | nope, no gimp skill at all, I can click on 'script-fu' and click 'scale', that's about it |
| 18:26.18 | ``Erik | starseeker: vic reports red is not working on mac |
| 18:26.35 | ``Erik | a very recent change broke it |
| 18:54.27 | brlcad | probably the regexes |
| 18:55.21 | brlcad | will look after the application is done |
| 19:27.03 | ``Erik | hm, too late for new ideas for gsoc? |
| 19:28.18 | ``Erik | "voxelize", like facetize, to spew out a big honkin' union of arb8's, mebbe using the marching cubes grid stuff... to feed cfd's and stuff |
| 19:31.09 | starseeker | ``Erik: not too late if you want to add it |
| 19:31.43 | starseeker | had to take down some stuff in his house - I'll try to get a couple more done.. |
| 19:32.15 | starseeker | still got work going on - drywall out everywhere... |
| 19:33.20 | dloman | ever find that leak? |
| 19:33.39 | starseeker | dloman: it was the friggin sump pump (or rather, lack thereof) |
| 19:33.48 | dloman | broke or missing? |
| 19:33.54 | starseeker | previous homeowners assured us they'd never needed it (they took it out) |
| 19:34.02 | starseeker | we though "well, OK..." |
| 19:34.06 | starseeker | oops |
| 19:34.11 | dloman | oh man..... |
| 19:34.20 | starseeker | one of my more expensive mistakes |
| 19:34.24 | dloman | i thought it was regulation to have one? |
| 19:34.31 | starseeker | ? |
| 19:34.33 | starseeker | dunno |
| 19:34.52 | dloman | looking to build my next house, so i have a reg book at home. I'll check :) |
| 19:34.57 | dloman | SUE THEM!!!! |
| 19:34.59 | dloman | j/k |
| 19:35.19 | dloman | is the piping/wiring to a sump pump still in place? |
| 19:35.38 | starseeker | <snort> I doubt it's "on the books" - we asked about it durning the home buying process, and one of the pros would have said something if it was actually required... |
| 19:36.06 | starseeker | dloman: sure - there's a sump, an outside pipe and an outlet. They just took out the indoor pipe and pump and turned it into a closet |
| 19:36.45 | starseeker | now that I've got the mirror wall off the staircase, there's a much bigger mold spot |
| 19:37.01 | starseeker | too high for recent activity, so looks like the pipe to the faucet outside may be having issues |
| 19:37.11 | dloman | oh hell.... mold... im so sorry man :( |
| 19:40.26 | starseeker | they cut out like four feet of drywall and sprayed some stuff, so the mold is gone, but we look like a home rennovation show down there |
| 19:42.21 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2569 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* BRL-CAD Core Library Enhancement */ |
| 19:45.47 | ``Erik | what was the name of that thing mike did? uh, qubit or something? |
| 19:45.58 | starseeker | cubit |
| 19:46.22 | starseeker | http://cubit.sandia.gov/ |
| 19:46.41 | starseeker | was never much interested in it, as it's not open source |
| 19:47.00 | starseeker | (at least, the interesting parts related to mesh generation don't seem to be) |
| 19:47.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: I need your link_id not your google id this year |
| 19:48.06 | brlcad | dloman: did you see my message about a poster? :) |
| 19:48.20 | dloman | message? |
| 19:48.22 | dloman | negative |
| 19:49.18 | brlcad | we're going to need another gsoc poster this year, it's a chance to take some creative artistic liberty and make a neat page enticing students to apply |
| 19:49.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2570 10/wiki/Material_and_Shader_Objects: material and shader objects |
| 19:49.38 | brlcad | you'd be perfect for that, as shown by other graphics you've worked on of late ;) |
| 19:49.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2571 10/wiki/Voxelize: New page: Voxel data sets are commonly used in computational fluid dynamic simulations. The current technique for creating voxels from BRL-CAD geometry is to use the proprietary cubit framework. Th... |
| 19:49.42 | dloman | where was the message? Or was that it? |
| 19:49.47 | starseeker | and you don't want me doing it :-P (see archer icons) |
| 19:50.09 | dloman | yeah, starseeker MS paint isnt that great of an editor :P |
| 19:50.25 | brlcad | you can see the previous two years posters by me and cliff at http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code#BRL-CAD_participation_in_GSoC |
| 19:50.49 | starseeker | <snort> Gimp + inkscape + http://www.openclipart.org/ baby |
| 19:51.17 | brlcad | cool, the initial submission is DONE |
| 19:51.22 | brlcad | now to tweak |
| 19:51.24 | starseeker | awesome |
| 19:52.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: any of the existing ones you want to fill in? (shader enhancements might be a good one, you have more knowledge about 'em than I do) |
| 19:52.47 | ``Erik | huzzah, a menu items appear, it is effective! |
| 19:53.47 | ``Erik | nah, starseeker, I'm good :D (not sure what the shader thing is about) |
| 19:58.12 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2572 10/wiki/GUI_Animation_editor/creator: New page: Creating animations using BRL-CAD is currently a very manual and tricky process. A GUI editor to create Bezier splines for moving objects, lights and the camera and generating rt scripts a... |
| 19:58.39 | starseeker | ``Erik: I was thinking investigate Open Shader Language and how we can benefit from it |
| 19:58.46 | starseeker | maybe too vague for a gsoc project though |
| 19:58.51 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2573 10/wiki/GUI_Animation_editor/creator: |
| 19:59.08 | ``Erik | I dunno the open shader language... similiar to renderman? |
| 19:59.16 | starseeker | yeah... |
| 19:59.18 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.33 | starseeker | http://opensource.imageworks.com/?p=osl |
| 19:59.40 | starseeker | was a big thing at siggraph |
| 19:59.57 | brlcad | mm, shader objects |
| 20:00.21 | starseeker | brlcad: did I miff that one? |
| 20:00.27 | starseeker | may be typing too fast here... |
| 20:00.41 | brlcad | I haven't read any of them yet, delegation my dear watson |
| 20:00.45 | brlcad | taking a lot of time just to prep the app |
| 20:00.49 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:01.00 | brlcad | it's in, but I still have at least an hour of editing and re-reviewing to go |
| 20:01.04 | starseeker | got it |
| 20:01.18 | brlcad | leaving it all on you guys :) |
| 20:01.23 | starseeker | well, if it gets buy gsoc review we can polish it later |
| 20:01.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03jordisayol * r43851 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/ (make_deb.sh make_rpm.sh): modify deb/rpm building packages dependencies |
| 20:06.03 | dloman | brlcad: when u need the poster by? |
| 20:06.46 | brlcad | whenever it's ready really |
| 20:06.53 | ``Erik | yesterday morning |
| 20:06.59 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2574 10/wiki/Shader_Enhancements: New page: Shaders for the ray-tracer are currently coded in C and explicitly added to the active shader list. A shader to bridge the RT shader system to the BSD licensed implementation of OSL ( [htt... |
| 20:07.18 | brlcad | if you want to make sure you don't waste time, then as soon as org applications are approved |
| 20:07.29 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, beat me too it - thanks! |
| 20:07.39 | brlcad | since ours has a high chance of acceptance, then anytime really |
| 20:07.40 | ``Erik | probably needs cleanup/editing anyways |
| 20:07.58 | ``Erik | I'm just spewing out rough draft quality stuff here... :D |
| 20:08.22 | starseeker | checks... |
| 20:08.28 | starseeker | ``Erik: you think I'm not? |
| 20:08.35 | starseeker | I tend to ramble in the best of times |
| 20:08.40 | starseeker | writing fast makes it worse |
| 20:10.14 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2575 10/wiki/General_Tree_Walker: New page: There are currently several slightly different functions to recursively walk the CSG tree. This task would be to implement a new tree walking function capable of replacing them all and alt... |
| 20:12.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2576 10/wiki/Shader_Enhancements: Tweak shader enhancements entry |
| 20:13.19 | starseeker | hits blender-g |
| 20:16.09 | brlcad | should probably be blend-g ;) |
| 20:16.17 | starseeker | er, right |
| 20:16.35 | starseeker | heh - blender-g, toaster-g, eggbeater-g... |
| 20:16.35 | brlcad | remember to try and avoid brl-cad specific conventions at least in the project titles and initial sentance descriptions |
| 20:16.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r2577 10/wiki/Converter_completion_so_all_current_formats_have_both_import_and_export: New page: BRL-CAD implements numerous importers and exporters for a wide variety for formats, but not every format has both an importer and an exporter. An old list is available in the repository [h... |
| 20:17.05 | brlcad | it should be worded as if BRL-CAD did not exist (e.g., "Blender geometry importer") |
| 20:17.15 | starseeker | brlcad: I'll try to make a pass and eliminate as much of that as I can... |
| 20:17.22 | brlcad | then can go into detail on the specific page |
| 20:17.27 | ``Erik | next time I make a disposable geometry format, I am so calling it spatula. |
| 20:17.57 | brlcad | really liked avoCADo :) |
| 20:18.17 | brlcad | (dead for 3 years now) |
| 20:18.36 | starseeker | is it on sourceforge? we could try a takeover :-P |
| 20:18.37 | brlcad | there's some nurbs code you could look into snarfing starseeker |
| 20:18.44 | starseeker | what license? |
| 20:18.55 | brlcad | sourceforge project name sucks -- "avocado-cad" |
| 20:19.21 | brlcad | ah right, gpl |
| 20:19.26 | brlcad | bleh |
| 20:19.46 | starseeker | there are least two other nurbs libs I'm aware of that are will remaing GPL |
| 20:19.49 | starseeker | very frustrating |
| 20:19.56 | starseeker | (especially SISL...) |
| 20:21.10 | brlcad | dloman: the only stipulation is that the poster should be predominantly made with brl-cad imagery ;) |
| 20:21.17 | brlcad | which shouldn't be hard for you of all people |
| 20:25.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2578 10/wiki/Blender-g_importer: blend-g |
| 20:28.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/move: [[SVG renderer]] moved to [[Vector output from raytracing]]: retitle |
| 20:29.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/move: [[Blender-g importer]] moved to [[Blender file format converter]]: retitle |
| 20:29.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2583 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: |
| 20:30.24 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2584 10/wiki/General_Tree_Walker: |
| 20:37.42 | *** join/#brlcad Stattrav (~Stattrav@117.192.148.157) |
| 20:37.43 | *** join/#brlcad Stattrav (~Stattrav@unaffiliated/stattrav) |
| 20:49.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2585 10/wiki/Overlap_tool: overlap tool |
| 20:52.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03jordisayol * r43852 10/brlcad/trunk/ (misc/debian/rules sh/make_deb.sh sh/make_rpm.sh): update "make" simultaneous jobs, during deb/rpm building process |
| 20:52.29 | ``Erik | pics http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/ |
| 20:53.10 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2586 10/wiki/Automated_exploded_view_tool: exploded view |
| 20:53.46 | brlcad | i guess it did happen |
| 20:58.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2587 10/wiki/Automated_cutaway_view_tool: cutaway view |
| 20:59.52 | starseeker | pants - thanks ``Erik for the assist |
| 20:59.56 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2588 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: remove stray links |
| 21:01.36 | starseeker | just before 4pm EST |
| 21:02.13 | starseeker | now has to head in - ``Erik if you want to flatten the page in some way shape or form you're welcome |
| 21:02.45 | brlcad | thanks starseeker, tis great rogress |
| 21:05.23 | starseeker | brlcad: your welcome, my pleasure - we'll hope it's enough |
| 21:11.20 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs2l38DoqsQ |
| 22:41.30 | brlcad | dloman: do you have a link_id? |
| 22:45.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03128.63.32.5 07http://brlcad.org * r2589 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: stray text |
| 22:57.18 | starseeker | hmm: http://www.nasa.gov/open/source/ |
| 23:00.08 | brlcad | adds the final finishing touches |
| 23:03.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43853 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (8 files in 6 dirs): MFC r43852 |
| 23:03.44 | starseeker | wonders if he can attend a two day virtual conference... |
| 23:06.56 | brlcad | that's probably the best-worded GSoC application to date |
| 23:07.20 | brlcad | invariably reorganize every time, clean up the organization and writeup structure |
| 23:07.29 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 23:09.18 | starseeker | yeow, what the heck... |
| 23:09.29 | brlcad | 430 orgs applied |
| 23:09.34 | starseeker | rebuilds clean - hopefully this is just a messed up build... |
| 23:09.44 | starseeker | brlcad: is that more than last year? |
| 23:09.54 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:10.04 | brlcad | but then org acceptance has increased every year too |
| 23:10.19 | starseeker | how long typically before we find out? |
| 23:12.01 | brlcad | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
| 23:12.19 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 23:12.33 | brlcad | ~gsoc |
| 23:12.33 | ibot | gsoc is probably the Google Summer of Code, a program run annually by Google to provide (paid for) jobs to students to code on open source projects over summer. See http://code.google.com/soc/ for details. |
| 23:12.46 | brlcad | ~timeline |
| 23:13.15 | brlcad | ~timeline is the GSoC 2011 timeline is at http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
| 23:13.15 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 23:20.43 | starseeker | interesting... red works on my Mac |
| 23:20.53 | starseeker | let's try with system regex |
| 23:21.26 | brlcad | that is interesting |
| 23:21.39 | brlcad | he wouldn't have likely compiled with system regex on mac |
| 23:21.44 | brlcad | because of system tcl/tk |
| 23:21.54 | brlcad | unless he specifically turned on system regex |
| 23:22.25 | starseeker | that's cmake build... suppose I should try autotools |
| 23:22.58 | brlcad | at least, auto doesn't work on 10.6 because system tcl IS a compatible .6, but mged/libdm crashes trying to make X11 calls |
| 23:24.35 | starseeker | ah... in principle, the CMake FindTCL should spot that system Tcl/Tk isn't X11 - will have to try that out |
| 23:28.03 | starseeker | may have to ask him more specifically what failed |
| 23:28.24 | brlcad | technically, configure is checking correctly |
| 23:28.27 | brlcad | our code is wrong |
| 23:30.08 | brlcad | hopes for an ogre/qt dm project |
| 23:30.35 | starseeker | That'd be awesome |
| 23:31.43 | starseeker | no, system regex worked too |
| 23:32.02 | starseeker | wonder if his build got into a weird state - I had to flush my cmake build and redo |
| 23:32.28 | starseeker | will check with him on Monday, assuming he doesn't have to be home for more contractor fun |
| 23:52.51 | dli | starseeker, how big is the whole svn repository? it has been downloading for two hours |
| 23:52.58 | starseeker | uh oh |
| 23:53.09 | starseeker | dli: you don't want the whole thing |
| 23:53.31 | starseeker | try svn co https://brlcad.svn.sf.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad-svn |
| 23:55.21 | dli | starseeker, oh, I only put https://brlcad.svn.sf.net/svnroot/brlcad/ there :( my bad |
| 23:55.33 | starseeker | ouch |
| 23:55.48 | starseeker | yeah, that'll pull all tags, all branches, all of everything |
| 23:56.46 | starseeker | I'll generally use the svn browse functionality to check the structure of a repository prior to downloading |
| 23:59.59 | dli | starseeker, I'm putting this together for a gentoo ebuild:( |
