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| 01:50.13 | dreeves | brlcad starseekerI think I'm going to have to troubleshoot the surface subdivision algorithm in the bvh stuff because it is what was causing the problems with dented sphere, rebuilt sphere, etc.. however I can't just turn it off because it is used for the initial guess. |
| 01:51.29 | dreeves | I mean to say I'm going to have to do that before moving on to the bigger geometries because I'm seeing similar issues that I saw with the less complex geometries |
| 01:52.55 | dreeves | also probably need to go ahead and get the more generalized trimming stuff working because on larger trim curves my approximations may not be sufficient |
| 02:03.05 | starseeker | dreeves: sounds good |
| 02:03.32 | starseeker | the larger examples aren't of serious interest until we can handle the simper cases - they are intended as "stress tests" |
| 02:07.34 | dreeves | yeah starseeker I think we are pretty close to handling the simpler cases ok now except for the distorted sphere fine (but I'm not sure about that one period) I think if physically make those examples bigger the raytracer will start showing the problems again |
| 02:09.20 | dreeves | I think we have to generalize for the simpler cases and make it alot more robust before tackling the more complex examples I was wanting to wait but I think I'm seeing the problem with that approach so I will have to take a step back |
| 02:09.23 | brlcad | gets a nifty response from the openusability folks |
| 02:09.50 | brlcad | starseeker: were you interested in that? (did you see my messages on friday?) |
| 02:10.22 | brlcad | dreeves: hmm, pulling it back to some of the more basic aspects of the problem... that sounds very familiar :-) |
| 02:13.30 | starseeker | brlcad: I did see that, but my thought on it is that we're not quite ready for usability work yet... |
| 02:14.26 | brlcad | there's many places and many ways where usability can be improved |
| 02:14.30 | brlcad | we're not just talking about mged |
| 02:14.34 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:14.38 | brlcad | though even mged could use some basic attention |
| 02:14.44 | brlcad | or archer for that matter |
| 02:14.45 | starseeker | would the others generate interest? |
| 02:14.55 | starseeker | isn't familiar with openusability... googles... |
| 02:15.14 | brlcad | wouldn't it be nice if someone specifically paying attention to usability sorted out exactly how the menu system should be arranged? |
| 02:15.32 | starseeker | yes, it would be |
| 02:15.36 | brlcad | or basic key bindings for that matter |
| 02:15.42 | brlcad | or information panels |
| 02:15.45 | brlcad | or command line options |
| 02:15.45 | starseeker | what are the mentoring requirements? |
| 02:15.57 | dreeves | Well the 2 basic issues right now are 1) the approximation of the trim curve right now it is hardwired for 100 segments. On a smaller curve that means a segment may represent something like 0.03 or less in length but on a larger curve that may represent some like 5 or xxx in length which obviously that gets to be a problem. I just need to get away from the approximation approach altogether. The second issue is the subdividing the surface and surroundi |
| 02:15.57 | dreeves | ng the segment of surface with a bounding box and the current algorithm grows by some small percentage to account for curving near the edges well on smaller geometry that fudging maybe sufficient but on larger geometries that fudging is not near enough |
| 02:16.19 | starseeker | figures key bindings will need to be configurable to Solidworks/Pro-E/Unigraphics to allow work flows to be preserved |
| 02:16.44 | brlcad | sure, that might be one thing -- but what should our defaults be? |
| 02:16.53 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:17.09 | starseeker | yeah, that sounds good - I take it you got a positive response? |
| 02:17.48 | brlcad | I certainly have my notions and background in usability and biases towards tools I've learned, but that's still different from specifically and intently sitting down as a project and sorting out what those defaults should be -- takes time |
| 02:18.55 | brlcad | unknown about whether we can participate this year, but that's not even really the main focus I think -- just getting ourselves aligned to be thinking more about usability and prepared to mentor such projects will be good |
| 02:19.03 | brlcad | so even if we can't participate this year, perhaps next year |
| 02:19.30 | starseeker | sure |
| 02:19.39 | starseeker | what specifically do you need me to do? |
| 02:19.46 | starseeker | scrolls back... |
| 02:19.48 | dreeves | I think once we have generalized those 2 issues we can handle the bigger and more complex geometries |
| 02:19.48 | brlcad | the mentoring requirements are more towards being the experts in our domain (CAD, solid modeling) so that we can have a useful dialog |
| 02:20.03 | starseeker | dreeves: sounds good |
| 02:20.30 | brlcad | as they are students that likely have no background in our area or even necessarily software design for that matter -- they get students that focus specifically on usability |
| 02:20.48 | dreeves | so I'm not really pulling back just going back and generalizing the stuff I have hardwired up to this point |
| 02:21.20 | brlcad | dreeves: it was tounge-in-cheek, not critique :) |
| 02:21.43 | dreeves | Oh you didn't offend me and I definitely took it that way |
| 02:21.56 | brlcad | generalizing what's in place is a form of "going back", and going back is the approach I'd started down on a while back |
| 02:22.18 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, I'd certainly be willing to work as mentor on a project like that |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | starseeker: great, I figured you would be |
| 02:23.00 | dreeves | Yeah the main reason for what I wrote is mainly if anyone else wanted to work on this more than anything I just want people to know what needs to be worked |
| 02:23.31 | dreeves | i.e. starseeker |
| 02:23.48 | dreeves | and I know there are a couple of people looking at things |
| 02:23.50 | starseeker | dreeves: I'm going to be attacking from the "need debugging/analysis capabilities" side, which should be orthogonal to the thrust of your work |
| 02:23.53 | dreeves | associated with brep |
| 02:24.05 | dreeves | coole |
| 02:24.07 | dreeves | cool |
| 02:24.49 | brlcad | woot! looks like my rt_mirror() change works... |
| 02:24.51 | brlcad | why does bob have to make it so complicated sometimes :) |
| 02:24.54 | starseeker | once we get to more complex geometries, we're likely to hit test cases where it's really hard to get a minimal case (possibly even problems specifically caused by a case being complex) |
| 02:25.05 | starseeker | brlcad: lol! |
| 02:25.13 | starseeker | has wondered this... |
| 02:25.53 | dreeves | Did that other person ever respond what they were doing with curvature the other day? |
| 02:26.03 | brlcad | seriously, he had the math doing flips because he wanted to specify a point (sure) and a direction (okay) .. and a distance down that vector (um) |
| 02:26.20 | brlcad | and then tracking that distance all the way through to librt to the primitives themselves for a couple of them |
| 02:26.36 | starseeker | winces |
| 02:26.37 | brlcad | I mean really.. just move the point |
| 02:27.06 | dreeves | :) |
| 02:27.19 | brlcad | now the trick will be to rewire all the primitives to actually use a plane_t instead of a point+dir |
| 02:28.45 | dreeves | ok so he wasn't really trouble shooting a perceived problem with opennurbs |
| 02:28.53 | brlcad | which is a nice compact plane equation -- a vector and a distance, 4 values -- but changes things .. probably just derive the point and dir |
| 02:29.09 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:29.32 | starseeker | dreeves: no, Bob is doing libged (prime mover thereof, actually) |
| 02:30.13 | dreeves | ok I'm talking about something else |
| 02:30.46 | starseeker | heh - welcome to irc - multi-threading conversations |
| 02:31.04 | dreeves | yeah I'm learning I'm new to irc |
| 02:32.33 | dreeves | it is basically chatting and I have done plenty of that but usually one on one |
| 02:33.28 | brlcad | dreeves: they (jonored) was working on implementing the curve() callback |
| 02:34.48 | brlcad | he'd noticed that the normal was being filled in during shot(), so norm() perhaps can stay pretty simple (need to verify what others are doing) .. but that still leaves curve() |
| 02:36.03 | brlcad | briefly mentioned on the 17th if you have logs |
| 02:38.23 | starseeker | ~logs |
| 02:38.23 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 02:39.28 | brlcad | really need to get website irc log integration with drupal working so we can search our own content |
| 02:41.03 | brlcad | even a cron job that snatches from ibot and adds to cms would be better |
| 02:56.18 | dreeves | ok the website with the logs is neat |
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| 02:58.00 | dreeves | btw shot isn't calculating the normal it is being calculated from what is returned from opennurbs in the intersect function |
| 03:03.49 | brlcad | er, but that happens during shot() right? :) |
| 03:04.09 | dreeves | yeah if you mean it is being called from shot? |
| 03:04.18 | dreeves | which it is |
| 03:05.05 | brlcad | right, that's all that mattered |
| 03:05.11 | dreeves | oh ok |
| 03:05.21 | brlcad | it's filling in the hit_normal |
| 03:05.28 | brlcad | normally shot isn't responsible for doing that |
| 03:05.36 | dreeves | obviously I didn't understand something |
| 03:05.45 | dreeves | ah ok |
| 03:06.41 | dreeves | makes since then |
| 03:06.46 | brlcad | also normal != curvature, don't know if you were thinking that or not |
| 03:07.26 | dreeves | no I know that |
| 03:07.57 | brlcad | k |
| 03:08.12 | dreeves | goes back to look at exactly what is being returned |
| 03:10.52 | brlcad | probably shouldn't be filling in hit_normal the more I think about it |
| 03:11.01 | brlcad | at least, norm() really shouldn't be empty |
| 03:11.21 | brlcad | I think what some of the other primtivies do that have the information calculated early is to stash it into vpriv |
| 03:11.37 | dreeves | actually it is returning the derivative in both s and t and normal is being calculated from that |
| 03:12.04 | brlcad | yeah, then probably shouldn't do that .. just stash the derivs |
| 03:12.12 | brlcad | then norm() can do the final calculation |
| 03:13.25 | dreeves | ok in the next round of clean up I can do that unless the other person is working on that. Don't want to step on what they are doing. |
| 03:16.28 | dreeves | I'm definitely ready to harden what we have now vs keep tweeking/hacking to make work with the different geometries. I think that is what is required to take the next big step. What do you think? |
| 03:18.32 | dreeves | you know since I went back to utah's combination of tolerances I haven't had to touch them again. Of course that is with this test geometry that is all roughly the same overall size |
| 03:23.19 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, I'd just let them work on that part -- it's not exactly busted as it is |
| 03:23.37 | brlcad | it's much lower-hanging fruit (norm() at least, curve() could be interesting) |
| 03:24.27 | brlcad | if I remember utah's paper, all of their geometry was pretty small :) |
| 03:24.48 | brlcad | elaine mentioned that it wasn't very robust.. :) |
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| 03:28.19 | brlcad | of course it was a pretty general comment at the time, but hinted at their specific effort |
| 03:28.41 | dreeves | Yeah it would be good to have the test geometry scaled up |
| 03:29.27 | dreeves | do you know where nurbs_tests.g came from? |
| 03:33.19 | brlcad | yes |
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| 03:33.31 | dreeves | I'm currently raytracing the perfume bottle from the opennurbs example data it is relatively pretty large compared to the test geometry I'm seeing issues but not sure which is the problem. tolerances or the subdivision or maybe even trimming |
| 03:33.58 | brlcad | they were created in rhino |
| 03:34.40 | dreeves | yes |
| 03:34.49 | dreeves | oh the nurbs_test was? |
| 03:34.54 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:35.05 | brlcad | those objects were all directly created in rhino |
| 03:35.11 | dreeves | oh ok |
| 03:35.32 | dreeves | can you get trial versions of rhino? |
| 03:35.48 | dreeves | will have to investigate that |
| 03:35.51 | brlcad | since we actually use rhino's format (3dm) as our serialized object data, it just imports directly |
| 03:37.16 | brlcad | they do have evaluation copies |
| 03:38.02 | dreeves | I may have to grab it create some more test geometry |
| 03:38.03 | brlcad | the only limitation is that they've forever been windows-only |
| 03:38.36 | dreeves | that is fine I have a windows laptop to |
| 03:38.38 | brlcad | that's something we could probably do pretty easily |
| 03:39.02 | brlcad | more exhaustive test geometry |
| 03:39.03 | dreeves | I wouldn't mind if someone else wanted to do that |
| 03:39.34 | brlcad | yeah, that should be pretty simple |
| 03:39.49 | dreeves | Yeah same geometries scaled up and make additional geometries that make use of all the different types of curves and use of the planar surface |
| 03:39.51 | brlcad | I can see if I can get my seat set up tomorrow |
| 03:40.00 | dreeves | awesome |
| 03:40.08 | dreeves | that will save me significant time |
| 03:40.20 | dreeves | since I have no clue how to use rhino |
| 03:40.24 | brlcad | the only problem with the different curve types is that rhino doesn't expose much of that through the gui |
| 03:40.41 | brlcad | they simplify it way down and do things automagically as they see fit |
| 03:41.05 | brlcad | but shouldn't be too hard to try to coerce a few trimming types |
| 03:41.29 | dreeves | yeah I figured as much |
| 03:41.54 | dreeves | really that is probably the way it should be but would be nice if they had an expert mode where you could limit that |
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| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: remove the mirror_pt 'distance' parameter from rt_mirror() as it just |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: unnecessarily complicates the interface. point+dir are sufficient. testing |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: seems to indicate no change in functionality so hopefully we're 'good to go' |
| 03:43.25 | dreeves | yeah d2 is difficult to get anything useful from it other ability to scale |
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| 03:44.13 | dreeves | obviously we want in the end to be able to handle that one but I think there probably is a couple more test cases that need to be worked before we tackle that one |
| 03:48.11 | brlcad | thinks the recent effort and successes warrant a posting |
| 03:48.27 | dreeves | ok one more request on the test geometry one object that has some large components with small components attached i.e. with the attached i.e. some like an ellipsoid with blended tubes attached such that the tubes are wider at the bottom and get more narrow as they go up but not a cone |
| 03:50.37 | dreeves | almost like one of those balls that have the little rubber spines attached all over it (except the test geometry can just have maybe less than 10 attached at random places) |
| 03:52.01 | brlcad | one kush ball coming up :) |
| 03:52.43 | dreeves | thanks |
| 03:52.53 | dreeves | :) |
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| 04:17.22 | starseeker | dreeves, brlcad - I'll see if I can throw together some more example geometry - i've got a working rhino copy |
| 04:18.03 | starseeker | doesn't have a clue how to use it either, but sufficient random clicking should produce some thing |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34265 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: modify mirror's argument handling to make -p be for point and -o be for offset |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: instead of (confusingly) implying 'scalar point value' and 'origin' |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: respectively. update the various docs and test cases as found while we're at it |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: including fixing some really out-of-date old docs. FIXME: really stupid that |
| 04:18.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: command help is in more than one place in the tcl sources. |
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| 04:41.25 | rbfish2k | hello |
| 04:41.46 | brlcad | hello rbfish2k ! |
| 04:41.52 | rbfish2k | i am new here. |
| 04:42.09 | brlcad | i've got to run but there's generally always someone around -- just have to post a message and wait |
| 04:42.18 | brlcad | welcome! |
| 04:42.27 | rbfish2k | thanks |
| 04:42.30 | rbfish2k | cya |
| 04:42.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:43.04 | starseeker | well, you tried :-) |
| 04:43.21 | brlcad | he's the guy from the list |
| 04:50.58 | hippieindamakin8 | hello guys |
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| 10:51.41 | brlcad | morning to the d-lo |
| 11:09.15 | d-lo | word to the brlcad! |
| 11:21.12 | Ralith | to the bed |
| 11:21.42 | Ralith | oh hey brlcad |
| 11:21.45 | Ralith | when do we find out who got in? |
| 11:22.19 | Ralith | oh wait |
| 11:22.23 | Ralith | 12 *noon* |
| 11:22.49 | Ralith | hopefully awaits! |
| 11:25.26 | starseeker | d-lo: did you ever take a look at argouml? is it any good? |
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| 11:28.11 | d-lo | nope, didn't try it out. |
| 11:29.56 | d-lo | neat, its got an online version via jnlp... neat! |
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| 13:01.25 | starseeker | blinks - Oracle bought Sun |
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| 13:02.24 | Axman6 | yah |
| 13:02.27 | Axman6 | :( |
| 13:02.52 | Axman6 | i was kind of hoping it's be Apple (though i knew it'd never happen), mainly because i wanted my next computer to be an UltraSPARC |
| 13:05.28 | starseeker | dearly hopes they don't mess with the open source stuff |
| 13:10.16 | starseeker | that's the part that concerns me the most - Oracle isn't a very visible player in the open source sphere |
| 13:11.13 | starseeker | if they decide openoffice, java, mysql and solaris don't need to worry about being open any more... ouch. They could be forked, but especially in java's case not very effectively |
| 13:11.57 | starseeker | <snort> Oracle's website is "too busy to handle request" for the press release |
| 13:12.12 | starseeker | well, that's at least one area they could clearly use Sun's help ;-) |
| 13:21.43 | Axman6 | heh, yes indeed :) |
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| 13:29.13 | ``Erik | hm, oracle buys sun |
| 13:29.36 | ``Erik | the announcement page on oracles site gave me an 'unable to connect to database' error |
| 13:29.41 | ``Erik | nifty. shoulda taken a screenshot |
| 13:30.17 | ``Erik | axman: you can always buy an old sun... :) |
| 13:30.45 | Axman6 | with a T2? i don't think so :( |
| 13:31.19 | ``Erik | ah, heh, why a t2? you could get a IIe or IIi pretty cheap |
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| 13:46.47 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, error connecting to the db .. lol |
| 13:59.42 | ``Erik | heheh http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3133 |
| 14:02.05 | d-lo | lol @LISP aaahahahahahahaha. |
| 14:02.45 | d-lo | LISP: She is an aging beatnik, who lives in a rural commune with her hippie cousins SMALLTALK and FORTH. |
| 14:06.40 | Axman6 | ``Erik: there's been some recent work on getting haskell to perform really well on the T2 by someone at my uni, which was sponsored by sun, who also donated a T2 for the work, and i'd love to play with the massive amounts of parallelism you can get on one |
| 14:07.43 | starseeker | d-lo: ah, but that beatnik is also a zen coding kung-fu master ;-) And like most such masters, he lives in humble, isolated circumstances :-P |
| 14:08.41 | starseeker | saddles up and heads out |
| 14:09.20 | d-lo | starseeker: yeah, if thats what you need to believe :) Anyways, the whole 'hippie' comment is where I am deriving my chuckles from hehehehe. |
| 14:13.34 | starseeker | actually, some of the comp.lang.lisp denziens are a rather commercial business friendly bunch |
| 14:13.50 | starseeker | actively resent open source |
| 14:14.11 | starseeker | claim it destroys markets and jobs |
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| 14:36.57 | ``Erik | would argue that 'commercial business friendly' and 'open source' are orthogenal; plenty of open source commercial businesses and proprietary non-commercial efforts |
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| 16:22.51 | madant | ~help |
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| 17:17.33 | hippieindamakin8 | waits for the results of gsoc to be announced |
| 17:35.36 | Ralith | ``Erik: indeed; it's mostly just the *way* business is done that OSS threatens. |
| 17:36.14 | Ralith | also, nice oracle error ^^ |
| 17:37.06 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, i seemed to miss out on the OSS thingy what is that ? |
| 17:37.17 | Ralith | 07:38:37 * ``Erik would argue that 'commercial business friendly' and 'open source' are orthogenal; plenty of open source commercial businesses and |
| 17:37.20 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.26 | Ralith | ugh, irssi linebreak fail. |
| 17:37.37 | hippieindamakin8 | aah :) |
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| 17:53.38 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant |
| 17:57.48 | pacman87_ | i still haven't found a good way to scroll in irssi |
| 17:58.01 | d-lo | pgup pgdown work for me... |
| 17:58.24 | pacman87_ | those af |
| 17:58.43 | pacman87_ | arent on my kb |
| 18:00.01 | pacman87_ | i was trying to figure a way to remap some function keys |
| 18:01.07 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah pgup and pgdown work for me too |
| 18:01.51 | pacman87 | my ipod touch keyboard doesn't have pgup/pgdn |
| 18:02.05 | pacman87 | i'm ssh'd into a server, and running irssi in screen |
| 18:02.39 | hippieindamakin8 | aah :) |
| 18:04.21 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, cant u just remap the keys on the server ? |
| 18:04.47 | pacman87 | how? i tried messing with inputrc, but couldn't find any docs on the command syntax |
| 18:06.34 | hippieindamakin8 | i forgot the file .. let me check i had to modify it when installing this OS |
| 18:08.22 | pacman87 | thanks |
| 18:10.22 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, it is .xmodmap |
| 18:10.40 | pacman87 | i though that only worked in X? |
| 18:11.49 | hippieindamakin8 | oops :) |
| 18:18.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34270 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: missing the patch-g.h header from dist |
| 18:21.28 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, which OS are u using ? shouldnt there be a keytable config of the keytable daemon |
| 18:23.03 | pacman87 | freeBSD |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, "This one is allready in /etc/inputrc and only needs to be "uncommented": |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | "\e[6~": history-search-forward" |
| 18:27.02 | pacman87_ | i found that |
| 18:27.14 | hippieindamakin8 | :P |
| 18:27.32 | pacman87_ | it maps pgup/dn to something else |
| 18:27.54 | pacman87_ | instead of something to pgup/dn |
| 18:30.10 | pacman87 | i know the "\e*" codes for the function keys |
| 18:31.33 | pacman87 | "\e[18~" and "\e[19~" for F7 and F8 |
| 18:31.40 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah |
| 18:32.08 | pacman87 | "\e[18~":page-up |
| 18:32.08 | pacman87 | "\e[19~":page-down |
| 18:32.19 | pacman87 | that's currently in my .inputrc |
| 18:32.45 | pacman87 | but i was guessing on the "page-up" and "page-down" commands |
| 18:32.46 | hippieindamakin8 | but true that i couldnt find anywhere to remap the pg up/dn keys |
| 18:33.36 | pacman87 | "\e[17~":"F6" |
| 18:33.36 | pacman87 | ^ that one works, print out the string when i press F6 |
| 18:48.05 | pacman87 | 13 minutes... |
| 18:54.04 | brlcad | well, want to thank all of the applicants beforehand regardless of the results |
| 18:54.19 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 18:54.58 | brlcad | in the end, it was pretty tough decision for several applicants that were all pretty competitive with each other |
| 18:55.40 | brlcad | I know it's certainly starts out as a summer job since you have to put food in the mouth, but open source is about volunteerism |
| 18:56.21 | brlcad | hope everyone continues to stay involved and contribute, regardless of the selections |
| 18:56.30 | hippieindamakin8 | sure |
| 19:06.43 | Ralith | pacman87: try "\e[18~":"\e[5~" |
| 19:07.46 | Ralith | those look like POSIX escape sequences, so sending one to the terminal might work as desired. |
| 19:11.52 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, madant Ralith : congrats |
| 19:14.42 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: I got in? :D |
| 19:14.50 | Ralith | is trying to check the site but keeps getting server errors |
| 19:15.08 | starseeker | hmm - they seem a bit overwhelmed... |
| 19:15.09 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, whats ur name ? |
| 19:15.10 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:15.24 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: Ben |
| 19:15.28 | hippieindamakin8 | saunders ? |
| 19:15.32 | Ralith | yup |
| 19:15.38 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah u are through :) |
| 19:15.41 | Ralith | :D:D:D |
| 19:15.45 | Ralith | joy! |
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| 19:16.53 | hippieindamakin8 | 1. madant 2. pacman87 3. Ralith 4. Elena 5.joe |
| 19:17.18 | Ralith | brb, celebrating |
| 19:17.49 | Ralith | ty for the notify |
| 19:18.09 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, :) |
| 19:18.14 | madant | woke up in the middle of the night to find this going on |
| 19:18.34 | madant | well 48 minutes past 12 :P |
| 19:19.03 | madant | yippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :) |
| 19:19.23 | madant | pacman87: congrats man :) |
| 19:19.36 | madant | hippieindamakin8: thanks a lot dude :) |
| 19:20.01 | madant | Ralith: :) welcome to gsoc ;) you'd be awesome |
| 19:20.06 | Ralith | ty ^^ |
| 19:21.10 | madant | and congrats to us too :) +1 slot ;) |
| 19:21.24 | madant | d-lo: :) be gentle with me :) |
| 19:22.03 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, that statement sounded extremely funny (slapstick) in my head :P |
| 19:22.20 | d-lo | SLAVE! BRING ME COFFEE!!!!! j/k |
| 19:22.28 | madant | brlcad: let's hope this year is more awesome than last one :D |
| 19:22.34 | Ralith | d-lo: that'd be quite a feat of shipping |
| 19:22.56 | madant | hippieindamakin8: my grey cells are still half asleep :D |
| 19:23.24 | Ralith | manages to load his projects page |
| 19:23.25 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, get back to your sleep man :) sleep peacefully |
| 19:23.49 | madant | :D damn brlcad still hasn't changed the sleep factoid |
| 19:24.26 | madant | hippieindamakin8: when do the exams begin ? |
| 19:24.50 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, they have already started dude. done with one of them 5 left |
| 19:25.55 | madant | we should have had elena and jdoliner out here too :) |
| 19:27.00 | brlcad | d-lo: hehe |
| 19:27.24 | madant | ah the man himself :) |
| 19:27.53 | d-lo | Welcome aboard all! |
| 19:28.06 | brlcad | madant: it's a passing requirement, no? each year *must* be more awesome |
| 19:28.06 | d-lo | hands out mops and buckets. |
| 19:28.08 | brlcad | else FAIL |
| 19:28.15 | madant | wonders how awesome MoRe is going to be :) |
| 19:28.32 | brlcad | we juuust miight not call it "MoRe" .. |
| 19:28.33 | madant | quickly picks up the mop and bucket :D |
| 19:28.49 | d-lo | well, it will obviously be more awesome. |
| 19:29.14 | ``Erik | MOAR.brlcad.org ? |
| 19:29.24 | madant | d-lo: damn.. it is tough going to be cheating :D |
| 19:29.30 | starseeker | favors models.brlcad.org |
| 19:29.31 | ``Erik | i can has more geometryburgers? |
| 19:30.26 | brlcad | no, but you can has cheez |
| 19:30.27 | madant | seconds starseeker |
| 19:30.32 | starseeker | geometryburgers? is this some unit I am not familiar with? "I have 3 geometryburgers worth of models in this repository" |
| 19:31.11 | madant | hippieindamakin8: all the best for ur exams dude.. |
| 19:31.12 | brlcad | is inclined to separate it from the brlcad.org domain altogether to let it have self-identity |
| 19:31.16 | d-lo | starseeker: 3.14 geometryburgers = 0.125 metric ass tonnes. |
| 19:31.22 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, thanks :) |
| 19:31.32 | starseeker | d-lo: aahhh, of course |
| 19:31.33 | ``Erik | mmmm apple pi |
| 19:32.03 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: yeah, good luck! |
| 19:32.17 | d-lo | will vote for models.brlcad.org only if Megan Fox is involved. |
| 19:32.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:33.21 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, thanks :) |
| 19:33.30 | madant | brlcad: any stats up yet ? total number of projects/students ? at least they were true to the larger "student peer group per project" :) |
| 19:33.33 | hippieindamakin8 | Megan Fox eh ? :P |
| 19:33.47 | jonored | thinks that the reprap and thingiverse should both expose at least some dublin core metadata, so that we can aggregate the two and future similar sites sensibly... |
| 19:34.07 | jonored | ...er... wrong project. the brlcad database, not the reprap... wrong project I want to work on. |
| 19:35.26 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || Congratulations to D.Thomas, E.Bautu, J.Doliner, T.Ruitenbeek, and B.Saunders! || GSoC2009 Next Step: do the checklist(!), introduce yourself, meet the mentors, finalize milestones |
| 19:36.19 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || Congratulations to D.Thomas, E.Bautu, J.Doliner, T.Ruitenbeek, and B.Saunders! || GSoC2009 Next Step: do the checklist(!), introduce yourself, meet the mentors, finalize milestones -- coding begins May 23rd |
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| 19:42.49 | madant | jdoliner: let me be the first to congratulate you :D |
| 19:44.12 | jdoliner | thanks madant |
| 19:44.19 | pacman87_ | is there a wiki page up yet to list the 2009 projects? |
| 19:44.19 | jdoliner | I'm very excited to working with all of you |
| 19:44.46 | jdoliner | i'm looking for one right now |
| 19:44.47 | pacman87_ | congrats all |
| 19:45.06 | madant | pacman87_: don't think so.. :) |
| 19:45.20 | madant | pacman87_: i meant no page ofcourse :D |
| 19:46.28 | pacman87_ | it'd be good toput names, nicks, and projects together |
| 19:47.08 | madant | interesting :) http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/systers |
| 19:47.24 | madant | when do we have a similar misters org :D |
| 19:49.58 | d-lo | Mysters? no thanks. might as well paint the letters rainbow and include My Little Pony icons! |
| 19:49.59 | brlcad | pacman87_: yes, the 2009 page is there ready to be populated .. been ready since application time ;) |
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| 19:53.13 | d-lo | madant: actually, there already is a community of men involved in computing. Check it out as it is the largest collection of computer geeks in the world: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 19:53.29 | pacman87_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.31 | madant | d-lo: :P |
| 19:53.39 | mafm | who's clifford yap? starseeker? |
| 19:53.51 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, yeah |
| 19:53.59 | hippieindamakin8 | * mafm |
| 19:54.08 | ``Erik | some programmer wannabe, he doesn't have face fuzz, so he's not a real programmer yet |
| 19:54.09 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:54.13 | madant | howdy mafm :) |
| 19:54.14 | d-lo | must be feelin frisky because i just saw a potential "He's your daddy" joke... |
| 19:55.14 | mafm | congrats to all applicants, specially to the selected one |
| 19:55.17 | mafm | ones* |
| 19:55.47 | mafm | I also observed that brlcad sacrifice himself and chose the girl as pupil... neat trick :P |
| 19:55.59 | madant | :P neeeet |
| 19:56.02 | brlcad | the mentors aren't set |
| 19:56.04 | hippieindamakin8 | :P |
| 19:56.14 | mafm | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/brlcad -- here it is |
| 19:56.19 | brlcad | i just can't get in to change anything |
| 19:56.30 | mafm | by what nick goes Joe Doliner? |
| 19:56.39 | ``Erik | jdoliner |
| 19:56.41 | brlcad | probably jdoliner :) |
| 19:56.48 | brlcad | he's tricky that way |
| 19:56.49 | ``Erik | real creative one there ;> |
| 19:56.53 | madant | argh some people type way too fast |
| 19:58.32 | pacman87_ | it's ok, i type slow |
| 19:58.53 | pacman87_ | itouch kb |
| 19:59.30 | brlcad | ~seen elena |
| 19:59.33 | ibot | elena <n=ebautu@89.136.118.141> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 4d 2h 27m 54s ago, saying: ';)'. |
| 19:59.49 | brlcad | hm, that doesn't seem right |
| 20:00.03 | brlcad | ~seen ebautu |
| 20:00.04 | ibot | i haven't seen 'ebautu', brlcad |
| 20:00.22 | madant | nice last words.. er smileys nevertheless :D |
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| 20:03.02 | mafm | lol, ok |
| 20:03.09 | mafm | I thought that it might be hippieindamakin8 or something |
| 20:03.18 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, no :) |
| 20:03.27 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: didn't get selected? |
| 20:03.41 | hippieindamakin8 | no man |
| 20:04.26 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, not this year too :) |
| 20:04.38 | mafm | sorry :( |
| 20:05.13 | hippieindamakin8 | unfortunately this is the last year i am eligible for the gsoc unless i get through gradschool admissions next year after working for an year |
| 20:06.19 | mafm | well, you'd better to to Bangalore and get the big bucks! |
| 20:07.41 | ``Erik | eligible as a student, ya mean... :D |
| 20:07.44 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, bangalore hasnt got big bucks anymore thanks to recession :) |
| 20:08.04 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, yeah . But i ll be arnd from now on |
| 20:08.22 | ``Erik | ghah, parser error, unhandled condition, aborting |
| 20:08.48 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, moving to Pune rt now. (waiting for a confirmation from a university in Sweden too) |
| 20:11.38 | madant | hippieindamakin8: what in pune ? |
| 20:12.06 | hippieindamakin8 | joining a firm called tetrahedrix |
| 20:12.25 | madant | recollects pune has India's tallest climbing wall |
| 20:13.10 | hippieindamakin8 | is it ? naice |
| 20:14.38 | madant | hippieindamakin8: sweden sounds exotic ;) |
| 20:14.56 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: where's "Pune rt"? |
| 20:15.10 | mafm | ah, in india |
| 20:15.14 | hippieindamakin8 | :P lets see. they dont have projects now . |
| 20:15.17 | madant | or as my prof said when i told him about wanting to do an internship in Ghana.."ah.. ghana, well how erotic..er. i mean exotic" |
| 20:15.44 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, it is near bombay / mumbai |
| 20:15.49 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, lol |
| 20:16.56 | brlcad | madant: doesn't nepal have the world's tallest climbing wall? right next door to india ;) |
| 20:17.30 | madant | hahaha.. :) indeed.. but climbing everest is more a matter of money these days.. :D |
| 20:18.13 | madant | would suck at traditional climbing big time :) too much equipment to carry |
| 20:21.11 | madant | http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/yosemite/midnight-lightning-photosynth |
| 20:24.20 | brlcad | so the next step is to make sure those timelines/milestones look good -- everyone needs to make sure their project is up on the wiki |
| 20:24.33 | brlcad | i'll fill in the 2009 page with links soon enough |
| 20:25.14 | madant | should get back his "little piece of death" to sober up. |
| 20:28.24 | brlcad | heh |
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| 21:22.18 | brlcad | woot |
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| 22:15.02 | ``Erik | wiggles his toes |
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| 22:16.53 | ``Erik | "it was made for elvis, but he found it tacky" |
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| 23:17.50 | jdoliner | is anyone here william bowman in real life? |
| 23:18.27 | ``Erik | no, he's more of a mail list guy |
| 23:19.22 | jdoliner | ah, I see |
| 23:19.51 | jdoliner | I can't seem to find his email anywhere |
| 23:19.55 | Ralith | jdoliner: I'm william bowman in my imagination! |
| 23:20.34 | jdoliner | wonderful, then in you imagination I'm your apprentice |
| 23:20.44 | jdoliner | pleased to meet you |
| 23:21.07 | jdoliner | I guess I'll just introduce myself on the mailing list and have him email me back |
| 23:21.33 | ``Erik | ralith: you don't have the massive goatee or the cigar, you can't be him :D |
| 23:21.42 | Ralith | :[ |
| 23:22.05 | Ralith | he sounds awesome |
| 23:22.59 | ``Erik | he's a character O.o (I share an office with him) |
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