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| 01:42.44 | IriX64 | regards |
| 01:50.28 | IriX64 | the licence says you have to give a copy of your source back to (I assume you people) if you plan to distribute binaries, does that apply too if you're not charging for your binaries? |
| 01:58.54 | ``Erik | yes |
| 01:59.14 | ``Erik | if you distribute binaries at all, you must make the source available |
| 02:03.46 | ``Erik | identity crisis heh :D |
| 02:05.47 | IriX64 | thank you |
| 02:05.50 | IriX64 | :) |
| 02:06.42 | punkrockgirl | im confused |
| 02:06.51 | punkrockgirl | how do you find an oper or staffer |
| 02:07.24 | IriX64 | slash msg help :) |
| 02:07.47 | punkrockgirl | ty :D |
| 02:08.27 | punkrockgirl | no suck nick |
| 02:08.31 | punkrockgirl | er |
| 02:08.32 | punkrockgirl | such :D |
| 02:12.55 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 02:16.01 | ``Erik | huh, wedding crashers is on tv tonight, I wonder how much of it was cut out |
| 02:16.03 | IriX64 | playfull tonight aren't we :) |
| 02:16.12 | smurfette | i was registering nicks :) |
| 02:16.27 | smurfette | but smurfette was taken but now is not :) |
| 02:16.34 | IriX64 | gloriaholy :) |
| 02:16.40 | smurfette | lol |
| 02:16.44 | smurfette | :) |
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| 03:30.00 | IriX64_ | how do you strip a library exactly.... play appropriate music :) |
| 03:31.54 | ``Erik | I d'no if stripping libraries or binaries would be useful to you, irix, it's generally a method for removing extra information from ELF or qmagic files to make them smaller on the disk |
| 03:32.37 | IriX64_ | just kidding around but thanks for the information |
| 03:33.55 | ``Erik | <-- points out that it's only on disk, when the library is loaded into memory, that extra information is not carried until the debugger starts interrogating it... and at that point, you want that extra info |
| 03:34.07 | ``Erik | on modern systems, anyways |
| 03:34.31 | IriX64_ | understood sort of like map xrefs |
| 03:35.12 | IriX64 | my famous cref file heh |
| 03:36.04 | IriX64 | stackdumps... im not too good with |
| 03:37.00 | IriX64 | wonder if i could turn this project into a watcom project |
| 03:37.00 | ``Erik | O.o I thought stack backtraces were one of the easiest ways to get bunches of info about the state at crash |
| 03:37.09 | ``Erik | punker, play, um, doors, uh, alabama song |
| 03:38.03 | IriX64 | -ltcl8.5 .. quit teasing ``erik, eith strip or leave :) |
| 03:38.41 | ``Erik | heh, tcl, ew :D |
| 03:38.54 | IriX64 | heh |
| 03:39.18 | ``Erik | I think all my systems are using libs with debugging symbols all in place, and I even have profiling libs installed next to 'em on several systems |
| 03:39.23 | ``Erik | pheer /lib/libc_p.so |
| 03:42.05 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/FT2Lkg68.html <--- master plz, what does it mean :) |
| 03:42.42 | ``Erik | hah, that's a crash with no debugging information present :D |
| 03:43.39 | ``Erik | 'frame' is the location on the stack, 'function' is the memory address containing the function called at that time, and args is what was on the stack or registers or whatever the call paradigm is |
| 03:44.08 | ``Erik | in a debug style build, it would say the function name and what the values of each argument are |
| 03:45.23 | IriX64 | so all i need is to enable debug build !!!!!!! |
| 03:46.32 | ``Erik | I d'no the windows environment... |
| 03:47.20 | ``Erik | on gdb based systems, if you're tracking a segfault or something, you set your CFLAGS to be something like "-O0 -ggdb", then run "gdb myprogam" and run it from inside of that |
| 03:47.44 | ``Erik | (-O0 is to prevent inlining adn stuff) |
| 03:48.14 | IriX64 | prefer cref, but ill study up |
| 03:48.25 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 03:48.42 | ``Erik | bob and andre did a lot of good work to make things compile in msvc, which would let you use the 'debug' target in that |
| 03:50.50 | IriX64 | cygwin != msvc |
| 03:52.08 | ``Erik | <-- aware of that, has used msvc, cygwin, mingw32, borland, pcc, etc on windows back in 'the day' |
| 03:53.09 | IriX64 | missed watcom :) |
| 03:53.26 | ``Erik | never used it, it seemed more focused towards the mac back in those days |
| 03:53.37 | ``Erik | and macs were for grandmas and art fags O.o *cough* |
| 03:53.43 | IriX64 | loved it's os/2 support |
| 03:54.42 | ``Erik | only used os/2 for a few minutes... was hooked on his c64 until '96, thinking all newer stuff was dos... and couldn't tolerate the suckage that was dos, had used cp/m before dos got popular so knew what dos was doing a horrible job of imitating :) |
| 03:54.47 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/Chat.png <---- barring that bug its usefull |
| 03:55.05 | ``Erik | and in '96, didn't last using dos6.22/win3.1 very long before wiping it and installing linux |
| 03:55.26 | IriX64 | heh cp/m and mp/m good ole days |
| 03:56.02 | ``Erik | you still haven't put the havoc in a box |
| 03:56.04 | ``Erik | ? |
| 03:56.15 | IriX64 | why the suns there |
| 03:56.31 | ``Erik | because you'll get much better results much faster if you put a box or sphere around it |
| 03:56.36 | ``Erik | so it can bounce the photons back in |
| 03:57.35 | IriX64 | ambient is a better test though |
| 03:57.52 | ``Erik | erm, not really |
| 03:58.23 | IriX64 | cmon whats the point of putting a light bulb in a box with a truck to see how it looks naturally |
| 03:59.18 | IriX64 | just a sec ill upload the photon map control sheet |
| 03:59.43 | ``Erik | because it's a global illumination algorithm, in atmosphere there's all sorts of refractions and reflections going on in the air as well as off objects, in space there's all sorts of object reflection? |
| 04:00.15 | ``Erik | I mean, there was just an article where a team measured reflections of light from a supernova 550 years ago (tycho brae's) |
| 04:03.00 | IriX64 | global illumination :) |
| 04:04.13 | ``Erik | you're using photon mapping, right? |
| 04:04.45 | IriX64 | yes, my site photon.png |
| 04:05.08 | ``Erik | if you dont' have a box around it, or something for the light to bounce off of and around, you might as well just be using shadow rays on simple raytracing :) |
| 04:05.08 | IriX64 | not torpedoes :) |
| 04:05.26 | IriX64 | i just like the name |
| 04:05.29 | IriX64 | :) |
| 04:11.17 | ``Erik | aight *shrug* |
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| 05:10.11 | IriX64 | is finally gonna retire cygwin for a while, ill drop in from time to time |
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| 08:04.36 | sport1 | drinks cocoa |
| 08:15.18 | sport1 | elite01: i need your e-mail to send you these .xml - 17 kilobytes. mine is ilyaglkn@gmail.com |
| 08:16.14 | elite01 | @blinkenshell.org |
| 08:16.24 | sport1 | ok |
| 08:17.57 | sport1 | elite01: ok, there also will be my variant in another folder |
| 08:20.39 | sport1 | ...as those with no some wrong commented as <!-- --> lines, tag <i></i> is inappropriate, too |
| 08:23.50 | sport1 | elite01: bzipped tar or e.g. .zip if you're in Windows client? |
| 08:24.18 | elite01 | anything, i prefer .tar.bz2 |
| 08:24.36 | sport1 | ok, i send it right now |
| 08:25.19 | Ralith | because 17kb needs compression so badly |
| 08:25.21 | sport1 | 80 kb (i have added some advertisement) |
| 08:25.41 | sport1 | Ralith: on gprs it needs |
| 08:27.26 | Ralith | someone's on gprs? |
| 08:27.31 | sport1 | oh... at a very 'busy' line - i don't even sure it can move to internet. |
| 08:27.34 | Ralith | that sucks :/ |
| 08:27.35 | sport1 | yes |
| 08:27.39 | sport1 | no! |
| 08:28.14 | sport1 | i liked it since i payed 4 usd for unlimited per month - but it was too slow/ busy at a day |
| 08:29.43 | sport1 | i think the mail has gone. I'm usually not sure - especially when it encrypts 300 kb-in-size files. |
| 08:29.59 | sport1 | Ralith: do you know some foreign languages? |
| 08:39.08 | elite01 | oh, the mail is there |
| 08:39.17 | Ralith | sport1: no, sorry |
| 08:40.02 | elite01 | your system time seems to be way of :) |
| 08:41.08 | sport1 | elite01: i work with radiation, and my laptop goes mad while i type :( |
| 08:41.29 | sport1 | Ralith: it's ok, i don't blame you ;) |
| 08:55.47 | elite01 | sport1, or anyone else, isn't 'dall' a synonym for 'erase'? compare the docs of 'dall', 'erase', 'erase_all' |
| 09:04.42 | sport1 | what does "file offset" means for debugdir command? |
| 09:05.05 | sport1 | elite01: d = erase, dall = erase_all |
| 09:06.21 | elite01 | hmm look at the docs for d and dall |
| 09:09.03 | sport1 | elite01: you can paste from mged_cmd_index.html - anyway, it will be a wiki - and someone will add examples && revise that what we write right now. |
| 09:16.09 | sport1 | -all deletes *implicitly* displayed objects from mged display, while d or erase - only explicitly-displayed ones, and all four commands do not scratch the database |
| 09:18.34 | sport1 | <para>ÐÑли Ñоздан новÑй region или ÑÑÑеÑÑвÑÑÑÐ°Ñ combination Ñоздана как region, - ÑÑой командой - Ñо region-specific аÑÑибÑÑÑ Ð±ÑдÑÑ ÑÑÑÐ°Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð»ÐµÐ½Ñ ÑоглаÑно ÑÑандаÑÑнÑм (ÑмоÑÑиÑе regdef) знаÑениÑм. ÐÐ¾Ð¼Ð°Ð½Ð´Ñ comb и r Ñакже могÑÑ ÑоздаваÑÑ combinations. |
| 09:18.35 | sport1 | </para> some words remain english |
| 09:19.12 | sport1 | it's from 'c' command |
| 09:30.25 | Ralith | <3 unicode |
| 09:31.35 | sport1 | unicode, heh |
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| 10:32.10 | sporty_ | Ralith: hi! |
| 12:11.10 | sporty_ | why don't someone writes something? wake up - and write! |
| 12:12.38 | sporty_ | i'm pretty sure it's a morning at brlcad's site and his wife makes him go to the church :) like Homer Simpson |
| 13:03.31 | ``Erik | hrm, it's 8am where brlcad lives right now |
| 13:05.45 | sporty_ | ``Erik: then he will go to the church right now ;) |
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| 13:39.10 | sporty_ | starseeker: what are wavelets? as "small waves" or what? i mean overview page |
| 13:54.40 | sporty_ | "wavelet decomposition" - decomposition ..."by means of small waves" or "decomposition of small waves |
| 13:54.50 | sporty_ | ``Erik: ? |
| 14:07.45 | sporty_ | brlcad: "interrogate geometry" - does it means any special means to "geometrically interrogate" the geometry - except those as viewing if e.g. different parts intersect or not? |
| 14:08.22 | sporty_ | *Very questionable Overview page*. Still translating. |
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| 14:15.02 | brlcad | sporty_: wavelets is the name of the property, not implying 'small' |
| 14:15.06 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelet |
| 14:15.54 | brlcad | see the .ru version |
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| 14:23.30 | sporty_ | brlcad: gold (tons of which i could buy instead of damn internet traffic) saves me from wiki pages, at least at a daylight. arrrr............... terminal, turning on java -jar $HOME/toonel.har, sys serrings, wikipedia2text go! |
| 14:33.48 | sporty_ | probably, "discreet (digital due to divisions) description of analog waves with appropriate tolerances" |
| 14:38.29 | sporty_ | as 'decomposition of polynomials, which describe a function', so wavelets are about curves and lines of 2nd and more orders |
| 15:19.36 | sporty_ | can i add wiki instead of Butler et al ?? i mean a lik on overview page |
| 15:19.45 | sporty_ | *a link* |
| 15:26.05 | sporty_ | well, this will be adjusted later |
| 16:30.22 | brlcad | sporty_: yes, all of the docs can be (and are) easily changed if it's an improvement of some sort |
| 16:30.30 | brlcad | including indexing, links, etc |
| 16:35.18 | sporty_ | Currently, only uniform binary objects (arrays of values) are supported - is it true ?? |
| 16:38.44 | sporty_ | ah, i think i has already asked it, and the answer was "nothing else isn't actually needed" |
| 16:40.35 | brlcad | you already asked that a few days about about uniform binary objects |
| 16:41.15 | brlcad | we say that only because the implementation is fully stubbed to support arbitrary non-uniform .. not because anyone needs or wants it or knows what that even means |
| 16:45.06 | brlcad | it probably just shouldn't say anything that "only" them are supported |
| 16:46.02 | brlcad | as just about any data file can be represented as a 1-d uniform array of bytes.. :) |
| 16:56.08 | sporty_ | "Any data file can be represented as a 1-d uniform array of bytes." - One of BRL-CAD developers. |
| 16:56.27 | sporty_ | ...for sorta things" |
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| 17:25.59 | sporty_ | scratches interesting place |
| 17:26.03 | sporty_ | :) |
| 17:26.48 | sporty_ | it's a directory with last few commands to translate |
| 17:27.26 | sporty_ | thinks about PrezKennedyJR's daughters. |
| 17:31.09 | sporty_ | imagines their chest of drawers, the content of two upper drawers. it seems whole universe is in there! What a wonderful things! pants! |
| 17:42.16 | sporty_ | starseeker: i send you whole *current* material in its final edition, b-t-w send in parts less than 60-100 kb in a separate letters*. (Or i may not even download it when cell antenna is too busy.) |
| 18:06.06 | sporty_ | starseeker: I must say I've started to edit the rest of the file mged_cmd_index.html - and i will send you bits of html |
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| 19:47.45 | sporty_ | hope you sport or with wives or sport with wives - not behind TV in a sun day. |
| 20:05.13 | sporty_ | happy that he's finished some works - and feel a rush! sporty_ wants to write a bad word! Bad word! |
| 20:05.20 | sporty_ | ...A bad word! |
| 20:05.30 | sporty_ | :-[ |
| 20:06.31 | sporty_ | :-[ |
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| 20:42.25 | sporty_ | hi clock_! |
| 20:42.42 | sporty_ | don;t you have a clean asphalt to skate? |
| 20:42.55 | clock_ | hi |
| 20:43.16 | sporty_ | clock_: i love that film "The rules of 5exual attraction" - i'm on bike in snow, do you? |
| 20:44.16 | clock_ | sporty_: do I what? |
| 20:45.05 | sporty_ | 1. do you skateboarding at this time and 2) do you like that film and 3) do you like to biking in snow |
| 20:45.55 | sporty_ | i mean you probably have no snow on the asphalt (yet) this time of year |
| 20:50.34 | clock_ | No I am not skateboarding at this tuime currently. I don't know the film and I like riding bike on snow |
| 20:51.57 | sporty_ | clock_: i'm too. But why don't you know that film? its german-usa film, as comedy drama |
| 20:53.42 | sporty_ | clock_: i need to convert 2D dxf to some format as e.g. STEP, IGES, VRML or BRep... Which one is better? Or all i have to do is a try to do it? i need dxf for gmsh |
| 20:58.44 | clock_ | I don't know :( |
| 20:59.49 | sporty_ | ok, i will tried it |
| 21:00.14 | sporty_ | clock_: what languages except English do you know? |
| 21:04.12 | clock_ | Czech German and Swiss German |
| 21:10.27 | sporty_ | Czech or Czech German? We have xml files of command reference. 5-6 hours of work |
| 21:15.51 | sporty_ | i mean if you think you can spend this time - i can send you e-mail immediately, it's only 18 kb in size. It's a bit boring - it's like Saturday activity |
| 21:22.07 | sporty_ | ok, i need to restart |
| 21:23.44 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 21:48.19 | IriX64 | ``Erik... cygwin apps using the dll, *need an entry in the registry for runtime, just took mine out and all apps don't run anymore (GROAN) |
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| 22:03.24 | sport1 | clock_: i'm here again, updating the fairy site naturalstuff.110mb.com |
| 22:10.16 | sport1 | what an odd-head! Clouds in his coffee, heh.. |
| 22:15.44 | sporty_ | can someone say if this "vouz a lae" shall be written exactly so? |
| 22:16.58 | clock_ | sporty_: Czech and German. There is no Czech German. |
| 22:18.19 | sporty_ | clock_: btw, czech shall be familiar to me since i'm russian - and i saw that film about the bodyguarder and yound scolar lady - can you say something on czech? |
| 22:20.52 | sporty_ | clock_: so, elite01 has told he can spend some time to the german translation, and can you spend some time on a french one? But it's about 5-6 hours, and only "first" 60 commands of all 400+. I can send you english .xml with my examples - and a color example "Where to paste the stuff, du-uude??" |
| 22:22.46 | elite01 | waves |
| 22:23.19 | sporty_ | elite01: don't, just relax and imagine some beautiful ladies |
| 22:24.01 | elite01 | nice idea |
| 22:24.26 | elite01 | what if i'm female? |
| 22:24.28 | sporty_ | elite01: yeah |
| 22:24.44 | sporty_ | elite01: then i will imagine you :) |
| 22:24.49 | elite01 | j/k :) |
| 22:24.59 | elite01 | no females on irc, never forget that :D |
| 22:25.13 | sporty_ | oh my! :( |
| 22:26.30 | elite01 | i'm sorry |
| 22:27.37 | sporty_ | no, i'm quite robust to understand the choice to buy new computer was wrong. Should buy a bmx for warm winter days... |
| 22:28.30 | elite01 | i like driving around on my bicycle in the evening |
| 22:32.18 | sporty_ | elite01: i'm too, even in winter - the routes of my little town become... smooth and have a jumping-off places each 100 meters. But when it's less than 02- Celsius degree you have a chance to hit the knee with a handle bar - the lubricant in rear wheel freezes up - especially if you rode at rivers at sumer |
| 22:32.37 | sporty_ | *-20 Celsius degree* |
| 22:33.13 | elite01 | not exactly a warm winter day :D |
| 22:35.17 | sporty_ | i mean when the temperature is about -9 celsius, but when it's lower than -20 celsius - it's quite cold - and i just do it on my smooth diet when organism is able to heat the hands on handle bars. I do it in jeans, so i'm a though guy! |
| 22:36.18 | elite01 | hehe |
| 22:41.53 | sporty_ | most of the people who likes it are too young for me. And they don't cycle. I also like to bike through the snow on old opposite bmw-like bike. Its weight is about 200-250 kg or something when it's single. Two carburetors can eat about 7 litres of fuel per 100 km. I want to reduce this to e.g. 4.5-5 litres - but don't want to put a single carburetor for both cylinders. |
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| 23:14.51 | sport1 | uh... |
