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| 01:22.52 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/aYKzB432.html <----- this fixed myy libcursor problem :) |
| 01:26.04 | brlcad | IriX64: *what* fixed your libcursor problem? |
| 01:26.18 | IriX64 | the -L stuff i added |
| 01:26.43 | IriX64 | might not be what you and your people want but its a good patch |
| 01:28.18 | brlcad | then you should just say that instead of pastebinning the entire file without any hint as to what you did or why you did it |
| 01:28.36 | IriX64 | forgive, i was ecited |
| 01:28.37 | brlcad | otherwise you're just wasting people's time |
| 01:28.41 | IriX64 | excited too |
| 01:29.05 | brlcad | well, you were so excited that the fix isn't even in the link that you pasted |
| 01:29.36 | brlcad | more case in point towards why you should just share the minimum when you think you have to "fix" something |
| 01:30.05 | IriX64 | okay |
| 01:30.08 | brlcad | i highly doubt that "-L/${top_builddir}/src/o" fixed anything |
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| 01:31.02 | IriX64 | thats supposed to read -L${top_builddir}/src/other/libtermlib -llibtermlib |
| 01:31.35 | brlcad | I see you're still making random edits too -- TERMLIB_LIBS isn't defined anywhere and the -L you needed should have come from CURSOR_LIBS |
| 01:32.12 | brlcad | so you broke it and fixed it, congrats |
| 01:32.47 | IriX64 | well i am trying |
| 01:33.32 | ``Erik | diffs |
| 01:33.38 | ``Erik | we like diffs, not files |
| 01:33.56 | IriX64 | never played with diff ``Erik |
| 01:34.01 | ``Erik | well, start |
| 01:34.06 | ``Erik | svn diff |
| 01:34.08 | ``Erik | diff -u |
| 01:34.14 | IriX64 | where do they be sent to? |
| 01:34.15 | brlcad | we have had this talk before -- there are more constructive ways you could/should contribute |
| 01:34.18 | IriX64 | never mind |
| 01:34.33 | IriX64 | got it |
| 01:34.52 | ``Erik | if you just dump an entire file into a url, we'll probably ignore it |
| 01:34.58 | ``Erik | be succint, minimal |
| 01:35.08 | ``Erik | diff is a good way to do that |
| 01:35.18 | IriX64 | ill practice it |
| 01:35.24 | IriX64 | err study it first |
| 01:35.33 | ``Erik | in the unix world, diff and patch are the yin and the yang |
| 01:35.40 | IriX64 | ha ok |
| 01:36.05 | IriX64 | ill clean up my act |
| 01:36.16 | ``Erik | if you need help with those, let us know, I knwo I'd be willing to spend some time, but grok that it's critical, aight? :) |
| 01:36.30 | IriX64 | right :) |
| 01:36.55 | ``Erik | brlcad, I had something I wanted to talk to you about, btu I forgot |
| 01:36.58 | ``Erik | like a jr hacker, uh |
| 01:37.00 | ``Erik | ohyeah |
| 01:37.06 | ``Erik | version on mged |
| 01:37.18 | brlcad | que? |
| 01:37.26 | ``Erik | is that ok? can a jr hacker implement a -v on mged? |
| 01:37.31 | brlcad | oh |
| 01:37.44 | ``Erik | since mged is our primary binary exposure for most folk |
| 01:37.45 | brlcad | sure |
| 01:38.10 | ``Erik | and I coulda hacked it out in under an hour, but I feel like it'd be a valuable lesson to a new developer |
| 01:38.32 | brlcad | heh, "under an hour"? I'd hope so.. |
| 01:38.44 | ``Erik | yeah, well, 5 minutes sounded arrogant in my head |
| 01:40.15 | brlcad | case 'v': bu_log("%s\n", brlcad_ident("MGED R|_|L3Z! lol.")); break; |
| 01:41.38 | brlcad | so who they be? |
| 01:41.50 | ``Erik | well, but do we want to follow the rt example of including all dependant libraries? |
| 01:42.21 | ``Erik | I think maybe irix would be happy doing a real code submission opposed to build weirdness |
| 01:42.33 | brlcad | doesn't matter to me, so long as the version isn't hard-coded into a source file |
| 01:44.24 | brlcad | it does already set the version to the 'version' variable iirc |
| 01:44.41 | ``Erik | there is no -V or -v option, though |
| 01:44.59 | brlcad | yeah, mged -c test.g set version |
| 01:45.35 | ``Erik | I did an "mged -v" expecting to see "7.13.0", and it did not do that |
| 01:46.11 | ``Erik | given that 99% of users will assume 'mged' is "THE BINARY", ... yeah |
| 01:46.18 | ``Erik | know what I mean, vern? |
| 01:48.03 | brlcad | sure |
| 01:48.10 | brlcad | make sense |
| 01:48.59 | brlcad | only thing worth noting, though, is I don't think we have a single command that uses -v for version info .. the handful that use it treat is as a verbosity flag |
| 01:49.11 | brlcad | not reason to not do it, but just a sideline |
| 01:49.15 | ``Erik | hrm, would -V be better? |
| 01:50.10 | ``Erik | I was recently disappointed with how poor our versioning system was, when it noted, it did it well... but it was hard to invoke |
| 01:50.39 | brlcad | verbose should probably be -V, then version on -v |
| 01:50.44 | brlcad | along with long opts |
| 01:50.52 | ``Erik | we don't do long opts, do we? |
| 01:50.54 | brlcad | but that's a task for another day/time/person/place |
| 01:52.42 | brlcad | still have to implement bu_getopt_long |
| 01:52.57 | ``Erik | fightes the portability issue heh |
| 02:02.22 | ``Erik | fbed requires curses? has bob handled this? |
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| 02:18.10 | ``Erik | gentoo is for ricers |
| 02:23.09 | brlcad | fbed hasn't been ported |
| 02:23.22 | brlcad | none of the termio/curses apps |
| 02:41.47 | IriX64 | whats wrong with the Help->about window in the gui ? |
| 02:42.55 | IriX64 | or reading the freaking documentation and see what version you're *trying to use :) |
| 02:43.16 | brlcad | nothing, that's just a different feature |
| 02:43.31 | brlcad | what's wrong with doing cad with pen and paper? .. nothing. |
| 02:43.49 | brlcad | just some expect things in different ways, -v for versioning being one of them |
| 02:43.54 | IriX64 | mged --about |
| 02:45.51 | brlcad | we go for it |
| 02:46.01 | IriX64 | :) |
| 02:46.14 | brlcad | that's no less work than -v |
| 02:46.25 | IriX64 | could be easier actually |
| 02:47.02 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:47.13 | IriX64 | there currently are no -- switches on mged tho |
| 02:47.26 | brlcad | which is exactly why I said nope |
| 02:47.31 | brlcad | there's a reason for that |
| 02:47.32 | IriX64 | ah |
| 02:49.34 | IriX64 | hahh libcursor.dll.a |
| 02:52.46 | IriX64 | where do my diffs go when i send them tho, would hate to bugger anybodys work but my own. |
| 02:56.32 | brlcad | depends entirely what you are diffing |
| 02:56.35 | brlcad | and why |
| 02:57.00 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/VDCeHq87.html <---- you expect me to learn all this in a day :) |
| 02:57.01 | brlcad | pastebin to see if they're useful, then someone can review |
| 02:57.19 | brlcad | diffs shouldn't be quick fixes -- they should be proper mods that work for everyone |
| 02:57.30 | IriX64 | ahh ok but still if thats your code tree, i could screw up really bad |
| 03:01.50 | brlcad | it doesn't magically get applied |
| 03:01.59 | brlcad | it's applied after being reviewed |
| 03:02.17 | brlcad | just don't wast folks time with patches you *know* can't be applied |
| 03:02.27 | IriX64 | so its just a storage space with no chance of buggering anybody? |
| 03:03.25 | IriX64 | ill try to learn how to use, can i practice or is there a url i can practice on? |
| 03:04.09 | Ralith | practice what? |
| 03:04.17 | IriX64 | using diff |
| 03:04.32 | Ralith | diff is a program you use on your computer to get a computer-readable list of changes |
| 03:04.46 | IriX64 | i readily admit i know sfa about it |
| 03:04.51 | Ralith | if you're using svn |
| 03:04.52 | Ralith | which you are |
| 03:05.05 | Ralith | just go to the brl-cad root dir and do svn diff > somefile.diff |
| 03:05.23 | brlcad | IriX64: no, you're not expected to learn it all in a day .. but just because the tool has a lot of options doesn't mean you need them all either |
| 03:05.43 | brlcad | I highly doubt you know all of the options to bash, yet you use it every day via cygwin |
| 03:05.49 | IriX64 | thanks to both |
| 03:05.52 | brlcad | follow this: http://www.kegel.com/academy/opensource.html |
| 03:05.57 | IriX64 | true brlcad |
| 03:06.38 | IriX64 | bookmarked, thanks i will peruse it |
| 03:07.14 | brlcad | it'll take all of a half hour to read and follow at best, and should explain everything |
| 03:07.23 | IriX64 | thanks |
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| 05:31.35 | starseeker | ``Erik: "gentoo is for ricers" - them's fight'in words |
| 05:31.45 | Ralith | true, though |
| 05:31.46 | Ralith | :> |
| 05:32.09 | louipc | yep |
| 05:32.13 | starseeker | prefers "gentoo is for people who compile lots of random crap so obscure it has no package in any Linux distro" |
| 05:32.41 | starseeker | Linux From Scratch is for ricers :-) |
| 05:34.04 | louipc | well it's not so bad if you update rarely |
| 05:34.24 | starseeker | What, gentoo? |
| 05:34.30 | louipc | yea |
| 05:34.56 | starseeker | updates every few days when he's staying "current", otherwise every few months |
| 05:34.58 | louipc | or any source based distro really |
| 05:35.58 | louipc | starseeker: you should try arch ;) |
| 05:36.06 | starseeker | :-) |
| 05:36.40 | starseeker | did use Debian for a while, then got tired of tracking down -dev add-ons to packages so he could compile obscure mathematical stuff |
| 05:37.13 | starseeker | would probably consider Ubuntu today if he were starting over in distro choice |
| 05:37.38 | louipc | headers are included in arch |
| 05:37.45 | starseeker | Still, the gentoo forums are a truly awesome resource |
| 05:38.23 | louipc | how's the wiki doing nowadays? |
| 05:38.25 | starseeker | louipc: you use arch? |
| 05:38.32 | louipc | yep |
| 05:38.40 | starseeker | louipc: The gentoo wiki? good question |
| 05:38.43 | starseeker | checks |
| 05:38.54 | louipc | they were rebuilding it yeah? |
| 05:39.24 | starseeker | yep |
| 05:39.31 | starseeker | looks like they're still trying to |
| 05:40.06 | louipc | cool |
| 05:40.10 | starseeker | still thinks it's kind of unbelievable that their database had no backups and went down the crapper |
| 05:40.31 | louipc | heh heh |
| 05:40.39 | louipc | I'm not too surprised |
| 05:41.48 | louipc | I thought they lost it because the company that was hosting them was locked out of the data centre |
| 05:41.54 | starseeker | is worried that without the former pages as the core a "rewrite" will end up losing a lot |
| 05:41.59 | starseeker | louipc: right |
| 05:42.03 | louipc | they just didn't have off-site backups |
| 05:42.21 | starseeker | which I find surprising for such a major company resource |
| 05:42.26 | starseeker | er distro resource |
| 05:42.31 | louipc | yea |
| 05:42.41 | Ralith | how did that happen? |
| 05:42.47 | Ralith | also how does something that major not get backed up? |
| 05:43.08 | louipc | lack of resources? |
| 05:43.32 | starseeker | 's best guess is it was either unofficial or "pseudo-ficial", and thus not part of the distribution's failsafe mechanisms for websites |
| 05:44.08 | louipc | yea possibly |
| 05:44.26 | starseeker | Even the Google cache or archive.org's copy would have been a place to start though, assuming they had made them |
| 05:44.34 | starseeker | saw at least a few pages in Google cache |
| 05:45.49 | starseeker | They seem to have opted for a complete redo, which is dangerous because it throws away all the momentum built up (plus people will have to either re-learn how to do stuff or dig up a copy of the old page as a starting point, both potentially time consuming |
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| 07:47.54 | sporty | starseeker: so? |
| 07:48.19 | sporty | starseeker: was it yours mail box i've sent my email to? |
| 07:48.59 | sporty | starseeker: SiriusSnickersMars@candy.com , right? |
| 07:49.51 | sporty | or SeriuosSnickersMars@choc.cy |
| 07:50.14 | sporty | ah i guess you sleep... |
| 08:15.07 | sporty | starseeker: i need to know e.g. if i can use <pre></pre> tags in .xml |
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| 08:24.00 | sporty | Can "em" command help me to save regions as shells of 3D-bodies? |
| 08:24.35 | Ralith | sporty: shells of 3D bodies? |
| 08:24.48 | sporty | Can i save pipe as a shell - what if i want to mesh it then and assign a thickness? |
| 08:25.20 | sporty | Ralith: yes, exactly for FEM FEA - analizes. This feature exists in ANSYS.com |
| 08:25.29 | sporty | Why do i need this? |
| 08:25.49 | Ralith | you want to export a mesh? |
| 08:25.59 | Ralith | trimesh, that is |
| 08:26.01 | sporty | shells tremendously reduce CPU time needed for calculations |
| 08:26.51 | sporty | Ralith: well, i can mesh it with another program as e.g. geuz.org/gmsh/ - i want to export this shells as e.g. IGES or Ideas or something |
| 08:27.08 | sporty | trimesh ? I don't know this command |
| 08:27.22 | Ralith | that is not a command |
| 08:27.24 | Ralith | it is a noun |
| 08:27.26 | sporty | ok, will see |
| 08:27.35 | Ralith | so you want to export surfaces? |
| 08:28.00 | sporty | Ralith: yes, well, as an option to all |
| 08:28.04 | Ralith | there is a g-iges program which is not part of mged but is part of the greater brl-cad suite |
| 08:28.14 | sporty | ok |
| 08:28.19 | Ralith | I'm not sure how well it works or how to use it, but it probably does what you want. |
| 08:28.32 | sporty | Ralith: and itlies in /usr/share/brlcad ?? |
| 08:28.46 | Ralith | that would depend on your installation |
| 08:29.04 | Ralith | if you installed brl-cad to /usr/share/brlcad, the binary would be at /usr/share/brlcad/bin/g-iges |
| 08:29.16 | sporty | ok, right |
| 08:29.52 | Ralith | run it without arguments for help |
| 08:29.55 | sporty | so how about to export the middle of the pipe's thickness as a shell? I need trimesh? |
| 08:29.58 | sporty | ~trimesh |
| 08:30.15 | Ralith | what do you mean by "the middle of the pipe's thickness"? |
| 08:30.23 | sporty | ok, not right now - i will have checked this |
| 08:31.20 | sporty | i meant its wall's thickness - i would like to export pipe in describing of a shell or as a mesh |
| 08:31.40 | sporty | Ralith: ok, don't think about it now - i only study brlcad |
| 08:34.13 | Ralith | If you've modeled a hollow pipe, my guess is that exporting surfaces will give you two concentric cylendrical surfaces, one for the inside, one for the outside. |
| 08:44.46 | sporty | Ralith: ok... I mean another capability then. I need a "center" of the wall to create a surface and save it as still a "vector" graphics - or save it as a mesh (with relatively little characteristic length to prevent singularities in fem-analysis) |
| 08:46.18 | Ralith | a center? |
| 08:46.37 | Ralith | maybe you should just experiment with g-iges and see if it gets you what you need |
| 08:46.46 | Ralith | I'm having trouble understanding you |
| 08:47.17 | sporty | Ralith: a "middle" of the wall produces a shell of a hollow pipe, then i assign a thickness of the wall and have a pipe, made of shell finite elements. |
| 08:48.21 | sporty | Ralith: yes, i have not tried g-iges yet. I will've tried it. But i'm trying me english human language then :) |
| 08:48.25 | sporty | *my |
| 08:50.14 | Ralith | I'm not really familiar with it, but I thought finite element analysis needed a mesh |
| 08:54.35 | sporty | Ralith: it need a "smart" mesh to avoid faults - and saving "as shell" is smart - if you want to try relatively "rough" meshes and then more "accurate" ones. Or you might want a rough mesh at the centers (longitudinal) and accurate at the ends of a pipe. |
| 08:56.12 | sporty | well, i just fill xml from mged_cmd_index.html - and wanted to know a bit more, so don't, so don't try to understand what's on my mind |
| 08:58.36 | sporty | Ralith: do you know starseeker's email? |
| 08:58.46 | Ralith | afraid not |
| 08:58.49 | Ralith | it's probably not too hard to find |
| 08:58.59 | sporty | i send letters - and folks telll me who i am |
| 08:59.19 | sporty | Ralith: you mean Author's page? |
| 08:59.22 | Ralith | check the sourceforge developers list; that might have a way to contact him |
| 09:00.35 | sporty | my days' megabytes of internet equals one ise cream or just 0.3 usd... I have an agreement with mommy to stay far from sourceforge sites at a daylight :) |
| 09:00.52 | Ralith | heh |
| 09:01.03 | Ralith | price-per-mb does suck. |
| 09:01.12 | Ralith | brl-cad can probably do what you need; it was made for analysis in something like that vein, after all. |
| 09:01.22 | sporty | ...but i have a trick: java -jar $HOME/toonel.jar |
| 09:01.22 | Ralith | I'm not the best reference on it, though |
| 09:01.27 | Ralith | ? |
| 09:01.40 | sporty | What ?? |
| 09:01.48 | Ralith | w/e |
| 09:01.56 | Ralith | good luck contacting starseeker |
| 09:01.57 | sporty | using proxy for internet |
| 09:02.02 | Ralith | he'll probably be around later |
| 09:02.03 | sporty | ok |
| 09:02.20 | sporty | i know - but i will be offline |
| 09:03.58 | sporty | sudo standupandgo --clean=flat -Right now |
| 09:04.46 | Ralith | try starseeker@users.sourceforge.net |
| 09:04.55 | sporty | ok |
| 09:04.55 | Ralith | no idea if it'll get to him via that, but better than nothing |
| 09:06.23 | sporty | Ralith: maybe you know it: Can i use <pre></pre> tags in xml? |
| 09:06.42 | Ralith | honestly I have no idea |
| 09:06.45 | Ralith | try it and see? |
| 09:07.13 | Ralith | it depends a lot on what *kind* of xml (what you're doing with it), but even if you provided details I just don't know enough to tell you. |
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| 09:08.37 | sporty | Ralith: i can not preview it on my local computer - se la we ;) |
| 09:09.30 | sporty | xml files of enlarged command reference of brlcad |
| 09:10.22 | sporty | i see it as text with tags, i can not "plug" openoffice to jre, i can not download too much from internet |
| 09:11.14 | Ralith | sorry, can't help |
| 09:13.01 | sporty | Ralith: why are you behind pc this time? it's probably night there where you are? Here where i am it is an end of a cold-cold day... |
| 09:14.29 | Ralith | why not? |
| 09:14.43 | clock_ | sporty: it's also pretty cold here |
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| 09:36.14 | sporty | sudo cleancarpet -! -@ -# -$ -% now... oh my... |
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| 11:07.26 | sporty | my new connection goes offline sometimes... |
| 11:07.39 | sporty | starseeker: are you here right now? |
| 11:17.46 | sporty | i've not used <pre></pre> tags, but there were random <para></para> as paragraphs... |
| 11:19.36 | sporty | starseeker: edit few commands on rus as final variant with that fields <refentry id="..."> |
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| 11:26.13 | sporty | elite01: hello! |
| 11:26.28 | sporty | elite01: is it a morning already? |
| 11:26.47 | elite01 | sure |
| 11:26.50 | elite01 | hi there :) |
| 11:27.01 | sporty | and we have a dinner |
| 11:27.01 | elite01 | 12:27 local time |
| 11:27.22 | sporty | ah... you're in Europe? |
| 11:27.38 | elite01 | yeah |
| 11:27.51 | sporty | Come on! you're in east europe, man! |
| 11:28.06 | sporty | What are you doing there? |
| 11:28.16 | elite01 | eh, i'm in germany |
| 11:28.29 | sporty | elite01: what languages except english do you know? |
| 11:28.40 | elite01 | german, and a little french |
| 11:29.51 | elite01 | and you? |
| 11:30.01 | sporty | i have most of brlcad's commands as separate xml files, prepared for translation to number of languages - can you instead of e.g. "Provides a delay of the specified time before the next command will be processed." |
| 11:30.27 | sporty | i know only my native, english, and study french grammar |
| 11:30.43 | elite01 | ah, want me to translate stuff to german? |
| 11:31.04 | sporty | i mean you can edit it in plain text editor - all the text is already pasted at the place |
| 11:31.31 | sporty | elite01: not really - just *some* commands to boost humans to do it |
| 11:31.46 | elite01 | no problem |
| 11:31.58 | sporty | like in, make, quit, delay and those non-complicated |
| 11:33.00 | elite01 | yeah, i'll get on it when i have some time |
| 11:33.03 | elite01 | where are the xml files? |
| 11:33.12 | sporty | elite01: when starseeker will have edited my files I'd sent him properly - i will send you some commands. I think it's about a hour to spend to almost all commands |
| 11:33.53 | elite01 | sounds ok |
| 11:33.59 | elite01 | i have to go in a short while |
| 11:34.12 | sporty | elite01: later, when starseeker's mom will have given him butterbread as a dinner |
| 11:34.17 | sporty | elite01: ok |
| 11:36.10 | sporty | un garçon el tends to la femmé |
| 11:38.10 | archivist | wonders if the web structure for languages will be clean like mysql |
| 11:39.58 | archivist | note placement of version and language code http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/rename-database.html |
| 11:41.36 | archivist | the page name retains english regardless of language |
| 11:48.43 | sporty | archivist: ok, i just try to study it by means of attempts and mistakes. |
| 11:49.26 | sporty | archivist: is it a big web-page (in kilobytes)? |
| 11:50.23 | archivist | individual pages are not too large, but there are lots of them |
| 11:55.56 | sporty | archivist: i mean this page you've called - my traffic is limited! |
| 11:57.06 | archivist | not big at all |
| 11:57.42 | archivist | and that particular page has a link to japanese version |
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| 12:25.05 | IriX64 | louipc, i tried -diff, it did the whole bloody tree |
| 12:25.43 | IriX64 | do you have to say brlcad/src/other/libtermlib for instance? |
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| 12:48.35 | sporty | *connection goes offline sometimes* |
| 12:57.36 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/VFVPyY15.html <--- for interests sake :) |
| 12:58.22 | sporty | interests in what? |
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| 13:35.45 | sporty | http://rafb.net/p/VFVPyY15.html <-- Who is Cassandra? Mrs. Irix64? Or you sister? Is she cute? Are her shapes resilient and beauty? |
| 13:36.02 | sporty | *your |
| 13:55.16 | sporty | "developer command" - like what, quickly! Is it like "commands of the developers of ..." or it is jst "commands (to be used) to develop images"? |
| 13:56.35 | sporty | i've questions of interest, you've got answers - let's have lots of fun, dudes |
| 13:58.02 | sporty | celebrates that fact that he've seen a *busy* day of another busy humans |
| 13:58.12 | sporty | *he's |
| 14:25.29 | sporty | i guess i'm offline again |
| 14:26.53 | sporty | strange... TV says people've started to eat each other due to the crisis |
| 14:27.37 | sporty | we, dudes of brlcad, must be robust - and eat our wifes instead of each other! |
| 14:27.45 | sporty | hello? |
| 14:28.29 | sporty | Bbbbbbbbwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa-hhhhh-aaaaaaaaa-hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! |
| 14:32.04 | sporty | we can eat youkonbob... ;) i guess ours bearings can be Alaska or north Canada for this sake |
| 14:36.08 | sporty | Or e.g. PrezKennedy - he's old and not tasty i think - let's find some amazonia's women then! By means of his charizmata (i mean a gift of grace)... Uh i want into the eating-house... CIA-6: I want to sell my government for few pounds of potatos. What secrets do you want to know? Are you related to the CIA or FBI |
| 14:37.46 | sporty | People: tell me something! (But i gues, at *their* morning they will surely do!) |
| 14:39.21 | sporty | PrezKennedy: i still want to marry one of your daughter! |
| 14:41.36 | sporty | laptopheads and laptoplidcloses and iternetacessswitchesoffs and lots of superposition things happens at once. |
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| 14:43.58 | PrezKennedy | shoots sporty full of tranquilizer darts |
| 14:44.33 | sporty | my as5, my beautiful as5 laptop is ruined! |
| 14:44.43 | sporty | PrezKennedy: You wil pay for it! |
| 14:44.56 | sporty | PrezKennedy: my rockets are at the Cuba!!! |
| 14:45.07 | claymore | 's eyes hurt after following this channel for a bit to long this morning.... |
| 14:45.30 | sporty | PrezKennedy: Immediately, tell me your location to die as the noble gentlemen! |
| 14:46.34 | sporty | kills PrezKennedy and marry both of his daughters at once. Happy End! |
| 14:47.45 | sporty | *marries |
| 14:51.32 | sporty | (Two young beautiful adies lick sporty's waunds, sporty feels good, sporty's a sporty!) |
| 14:52.06 | sporty | ok, going to see TV since the channel is dead. |
| 14:52.24 | sporty | uh! almost has gone to see TV! |
| 14:52.34 | claymore | There is 'Off-topic' and then there is *Off-Topic!' ;) |
| 14:53.07 | sporty | like #brlcad*Off-Topic ? |
| 14:53.22 | PrezKennedy | or #brlcad-offthewalls |
| 14:53.45 | claymore | Just saying that only certain Off-Topic topics will get replied to. |
| 14:54.05 | PrezKennedy | like hot chicks |
| 14:54.44 | sporty | ok, so is it morning there where you are? |
| 14:54.54 | claymore | sure is. |
| 14:56.49 | sporty | sitting here, where i am and loking there, where you are through the prism of the nets - i do not understand is it a morning or is it an evening like here where i am and loking there, where you are - and try to write complicated english phrases with no mistakes. |
| 14:59.03 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/ZTVcaf26.html <--- are you interested in warnings like this? |
| 15:01.05 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/N9nCL741.html <--- and this |
| 15:01.18 | sporty | IriX64: wait, i need a proxy for http |
| 15:01.26 | IriX64 | ill go back to skulking :) |
| 15:01.40 | sporty | IriX64: ok |
| 15:04.08 | sporty | IriX64: not really, i'm relatively new to brl-cad. I think you compile something under cygwin environment to launch *nix binaries in win os. Just compile it in linux, that's a way! |
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| 15:09.35 | IriX64 | delay.c in libged needs a #include<sys/time.h> |
| 15:50.25 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/xCIk1E40.html <---- this stops the build |
| 15:53.20 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/3fM1wA43.html <--- this too stops the build, am i out of line doing this here or is it welcomed? |
| 16:06.51 | IriX64 | bwish,mged,rttherm,pl-dm,bombardier all require -lXft -lXss to build |
| 16:08.43 | IriX64 | clone.c has a problem with obj_list its defined elsewhere, im changing mine to mged_obj_list and praying it doesn't screw anything up |
| 16:08.48 | IriX64 | in mged dir |
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| 16:17.17 | IriX64 | rtsrv.c tries to reinvent the wheel with a local copy of bu_bomb forgetting to change the names and it blows up at link time |
| 16:28.02 | claymore | ``Erik: Where you at? |
| 17:47.30 | ``Erik | at home, actually, what's up? |
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| 17:49.41 | sporty | yukonbob: i havew come with a tablespoon! |
| 17:49.53 | sporty | yukonbob: and it's crisis! |
| 17:50.08 | sporty | yukonbob: just care yourself |
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| 18:38.43 | sporty | channel is dead as never... |
| 18:54.05 | sporty | or my new connection is faulty |
| 18:55.24 | sporty | or it's a busy day, or it's abusy day, or people want some rest when the rest of the week equals to its behinning |
| 18:57.39 | sporty | brlcad: i can use Emacs (i mean i can easily compile it with on offline system) - what are its essental parts, why do "old" programmers like it? |
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| 19:01.35 | sporty | louipc: have you ever used Emacs? |
| 19:01.57 | louipc | I used to use xemacs a few years ago |
| 19:02.21 | sporty | louipc: what are its essential parts, why do people like it? |
| 19:03.04 | sporty | I mean i'd used full set of MS office - with complicated formulae and so on - and emacs seems too weird by now |
| 19:03.12 | louipc | I think people like it because it's highly configurable with elisp |
| 19:04.17 | sporty | and what does elisp offers? Can i "write down" some formulas as those wth integrals and sums? |
| 19:04.25 | louipc | vi and emacs are also quite efficient at text editing once you learn how to use them |
| 19:04.39 | louipc | you never need to touch the mouse :D |
| 19:05.03 | sporty | ok, i think you mean they're really fast in comparison with those with GUI |
| 19:05.08 | sporty | right! |
| 19:05.10 | louipc | it's just a scripting language, yeah I guess you can do formulae with it |
| 19:05.31 | louipc | I'm not familiar with how to do emacs scripting though |
| 19:06.32 | sporty | ok... i will have compiled it with elisp manuals... i have found slackware 10 dvd - hehe, with sources, hehe |
| 19:06.49 | louipc | well that's what slack is all about hah |
| 19:07.35 | sporty | but it can not handle my new pc :( had to use ubuntu on offline pc - andd have no cheap internet |
| 19:07.48 | louipc | http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html |
| 19:07.56 | sporty | ok |
| 19:08.31 | sporty | louipc: don't you know some good tutorial about python programming language? |
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| 19:09.32 | louipc | hah good question. I've never looked at a tutorial I've only dove right into the code. |
| 19:11.29 | sporty | louipc: ok... i ust need to dove into few books right now - head is reeling ... |
| 19:13.24 | claymore | ``Erik: nadda, you just missed a rare occasion where i eat lunch out... nothing big. ;) |
| 19:15.47 | sporty | claymore: sometimes in the night, when i think it' s arainy day and i'm on my bike - i cry "more, more of the clay" - and scare mrs.sporty... |
| 19:15.58 | sporty | ;) |
| 19:15.58 | sporty | :-X |
| 19:16.06 | sporty | :-/ |
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| 19:22.21 | claymore | ..... okay.... that's just plain odd. |
| 19:22.48 | sporty | yeah... |
| 19:23.07 | louipc | hahaha |
| 19:29.19 | sporty | What does words "new gui" mean? |
| 19:29.55 | claymore | 'new gui' == 'new Graphical User Interface' |
| 19:31.09 | sporty | claymore: yeah, i have asked with "Graphical User Interface" = "GUI" on my mind... What a new GUI? |
| 19:33.49 | claymore | There is work underway for a new GUI interface in the rt^3/src/g3d directory |
| 19:35.10 | sporty | well, ok, nice answer for that one non-initiated in programming (for me)... Simply into /src/g3d, where src = sources |
| 19:35.42 | sporty | claymore: will it hide a half of a screen? |
| 19:36.35 | sporty | claymore: i want to know, is it hard to "attach" new Qt design to existing foss program? |
| 19:37.18 | sporty | i mean i don't really know how to add it... well i need to strive... but you probably know people who tried to do this |
| 19:37.36 | claymore | define 'qt design' please... |
| 19:38.41 | sporty | uh... that Qt3 or Qt4 - common means of graphical interfaces to programs... ah i do not remember... |
| 19:41.18 | sporty | ...i have compiled such 50-megs tarball - and want to 'modify' some programs (if it will be easy for a non-skilled-non-programmer) |
| 19:41.24 | claymore | are you speaking of "Qt cross platform Application Framework" ? |
| 19:42.00 | sporty | i mean i did it on offline pc, where one mb equals one ice cream in its cost |
| 19:42.13 | sporty | claymore: yes |
| 19:42.35 | sporty | about its free version for non-commercial use |
| 19:43.36 | claymore | sporty: Well, I hadn't looked into that, but I can see that if we were to attempt to use that, there would be a massive amount of person-hours required to rework the existing brl-cad suite to use qt. |
| 19:43.36 | sporty | i want to modify one program (foss) - then do something in a long term... ah i just have an inspiration |
| 19:44.38 | claymore | the new gui, aka, g3d will (probably) not use qt. Developement of the new GUI is not at the top priority quite yet, but it will be eventually. |
| 19:44.41 | sporty | you mean it can't be boundled with qt? i thought it was some kind of a standart |
| 19:45.17 | claymore | I suppose the new GUI *could* use qt, but it would warrent a bit of investigation. |
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| 19:45.27 | sporty | g3d - is it a name of a standard? |
| 19:46.43 | alex_joni | http://www.google.ro/search?q=g3d |
| 19:46.54 | claymore | sporty: no, g3d is the nickname for the new GUI that a GSoC student prototyped for BRL-CAD. The code resides in the rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ |
| 19:46.59 | sporty | well, ok... i'm only about to arrange some commands right now... I just think i will know how to use qt soon... just don't know yet how to bundle it to the code |
| 19:47.53 | sporty | claymore: ok, i will not see into the trunk right now. Just interesting. |
| 19:50.10 | sporty | claymore: how do you think: does starseeker sleep right now? I have no idea if names shall be like 3ptarb1 or i can leave it as 3ptarb--rus |
| 19:50.41 | claymore | sporty: Pretty sure starseeker is at work and just a bit busy. |
| 19:52.01 | sporty | ok, but i'm drinking tea, made of dry apples, dendelion leaves and camomile |
| 19:52.39 | sporty | ...and smoking garlics' stems - i'm vegan... |
| 19:53.14 | claymore | just had Turkey, Roast Beast and Chicken for lunch. :) |
| 19:53.17 | sporty | and save money ...:-$ |
| 19:53.45 | sporty | thinks claymore isn't hurted with a crisis... |
| 19:53.51 | brlcad | sporty: 'brlcad' is me, 'BRL-CAD' is the software -- they're not the same thing (..at least not yet) -- referring to it in lower is cool, e.g., 'brl-cad' |
| 19:54.02 | brlcad | otherwise, you're driving me nuts :) |
| 19:54.13 | sporty | brlcad: it will be the same! |
| 19:54.39 | sporty | brlcad: ok |
| 19:55.48 | sporty | what do you eat when you feel a lack of attention? Don't say you drink coffee! |
| 19:56.27 | claymore | sporty: who are you talking to? |
| 19:57.30 | sporty | Ñо alive humans |
| 19:57.48 | claymore | drinks Mt Dew when needed. |
| 19:57.51 | sporty | you (_pl.) |
| 19:58.02 | sporty | Mt Dew? |
| 19:58.06 | claymore | doesn't like coffee to much. |
| 19:58.27 | claymore | http://www.mountaindew.com/ |
| 19:58.32 | sporty | i like tonic |
| 19:58.50 | claymore | and I be that tonic likes you too! |
| 19:58.58 | claymore | :D |
| 19:59.05 | sporty | claymore: ah, i know this from tv advertisings |
| 19:59.34 | sporty | claymore: i meant shwepps or any tonic, tonic with lemon and so on |
| 20:00.18 | sporty | is it possible to type e.g. 60 words per minute |
| 20:01.06 | claymore | yes. |
| 20:01.14 | sporty | really? |
| 20:01.46 | claymore | its been a while, but i benchmarked myself at ~73 wpm |
| 20:01.55 | sporty | i mean i want it. I'm using "Phonetics" layout for my native... Wow! |
| 20:02.17 | claymore | some people, mostly Data Entry Specialists, have been known to achieve 120+ wpm. |
| 20:02.27 | sporty | holy Key B. ART |
| 20:04.50 | sporty | claymore: i typed fastly on some layouts, too.. But i think if i put my fingers vertically - i could get arthritis with all these words... Using laptop, try to dramatically accelerate it... |
| 20:05.35 | claymore | its a hazard of the occupation, but one I will risk :) |
| 20:06.38 | sporty | claymore: btw, it is good idea to get some hikes in dirty clay - helps to skin and probably adds some microelements beneath the skin |
| 20:07.07 | sporty | *helps for a skin* |
| 20:07.12 | claymore | has kids. I get plenty dirty more often thank I like. |
| 20:09.53 | sporty | claymore: ok, but i would like some trophies along the rivers. I've used to do it on a bicycle. But a bike or a car is good, too. The point is non-angry tyres, which force you to stay in dirty from clay water for longer. aand don't hurt to mother nature too much |
| 20:15.32 | sporty | i like trophies on sake-bearing cars as some stock vehicles. When there is a prudence of fun... There's olways a way to use vehicles with rubber tracks when you really don't want to sit in a swamp... This interest was a first my mature interest in this world - and all i plan right now is related to this or snwboard or even sk8boarding, which attitude seems like too high for a while for my poor, wounded body. |
| 20:20.10 | brlcad | sporty: emacs is a programmable "environment" for just about any purpose with lots of macros and functionality specifically tailored to programming and programming-related tasks |
| 20:20.20 | brlcad | that's why many programmers like it |
| 20:20.40 | brlcad | it has a nasty learning curve, but it's well worth it if coding is a long term endevour |
| 20:21.21 | claymore | ide's >> emacs :D |
| 20:21.23 | claymore | ducks |
| 20:26.02 | sporty | ok, i already try to read elisp tutorial. I ant to know an easy way to handle simple calculations (and save it as text) - and to add complicated formulas as integrals & sums and so on. I need this because i'd used MS products for this earlier. Now i'm about open source - and i hope it will be a bit faster & simply |
| 20:28.31 | sporty | well, i need to sleep... on a bench, in a familiar university, - so as i could scare away mobsters at the darkness... Hard time for young man with non-cheap laptop and contributions to open source... |
| 20:29.04 | sporty | it's crisis... |
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| 20:33.46 | PrezKennedy | vi 4 ever!!! |
| 20:35.17 | brlcad | IriX64: thanks for the adrt build failures -- the rtsrv one, though, isn't an error (it's a compiler setting issue) |
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| 20:37.55 | IriX64 | welcome, im still fighting fbed :) |
| 20:38.45 | claymore | |
| 20:38.54 | brlcad | g3d is just the presently temporary name for that effort -- it has (several) other names but is still effectively a prototype for the "new gui" effort (responding to backlog comments) |
| 20:39.14 | brlcad | sporty: it will be the same, but not yet |
| 20:39.40 | brlcad | emacs is an ide :P |
| 20:39.45 | brlcad | catches up :) |
| 20:40.05 | sporty | PrezKennedy: i can't not to kiss your daughters' hands and some other territories... Would you mind? |
| 20:41.21 | sporty | brlcad: i hope brl-cad's interface will be very new in wise meaning- it shall not hide half-a-display... |
| 20:41.33 | louipc | :O |
| 20:42.04 | sporty | brlcad: how much commands does brl-cad have? Something like 70 ? |
| 20:42.25 | claymore | just saw a Red Light |
| 20:42.25 | brlcad | if PrezKennedy has daughters, he's sure got a lot of 'splaining to do Lucy |
| 20:42.34 | brlcad | sporty: that is the intent |
| 20:42.53 | brlcad | there are just over 400 commands outside of mged |
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| 20:43.08 | brlcad | about 300-400 useful commands inside of mged |
| 20:43.20 | sporty | brlcad: i meant old mged_cmd_reference |
| 20:43.36 | sporty | there's about 80 commands |
| 20:43.57 | sporty | and binary files in ../bin directory |
| 20:44.28 | brlcad | there should be about 400 in the bin directory for a full-distribution |
| 20:44.30 | brlcad | you on windows? |
| 20:44.54 | brlcad | windows has much less unless it's a cygwin/mingw build |
| 20:45.12 | sporty | brlcad: i mean /html/mged_cmd_index.html - i'm editing it |
| 20:45.36 | brlcad | there are several mged commands that aren't documented in mged_cmd_index.html |
| 20:45.50 | sporty | i have xml files, which are ready to be filled with a number of languages |
| 20:46.09 | sporty | brlcad: like what? |
| 20:46.21 | brlcad | ./html/manuals/mged/mged_cmd_index.html is pretty old |
| 20:46.47 | sporty | "cleanmyapartment -R [-i -g -h -t] now" |
| 20:47.13 | sporty | brlcad: well, i still have not finished it... |
| 20:47.49 | sporty | brlcad: btw, am i right to use "I have" - or shall i use "I has" ? |
| 20:47.57 | brlcad | I have |
| 20:48.19 | brlcad | ah, looks like the command index hasn't been converted to docbook justyet |
| 20:48.33 | sporty | i also think "I" + "use" = "me use" |
| 20:48.33 | brlcad | so carry on! |
| 20:48.55 | sporty | i meant rus variant and then few variants, also |
| 20:49.00 | brlcad | not unless you're a pirate |
| 20:49.22 | sporty | not full, probably, for young students and scolars |
| 20:49.33 | claymore | arg! |
| 20:49.36 | starseeker | Be sure to keep an eye on the sourceforge svn trunk - we have someone adding xml files for MGED commands |
| 20:51.51 | sporty | brlcad: seriously, words in mged_cmd_index are very good, simple and non-complicated. The only sake to add other languages are: 1. for those who is in the scholl - but wants some first fast 'results' 2. for fast start with a program. Things like rt or modelling *do* need at least an english dictionary - and so on |
| 20:52.29 | sporty | starseeker: immediately, tell me your email while i'm trying to get another tea! |
| 20:52.30 | brlcad | sporty: how about for someone that doesn't actually speak any english |
| 20:53.13 | starseeker | sporty: I've seen your email messages, but I can't respond to them yet |
| 20:53.20 | sporty | brlcad: believe me, my friend who stidied german - can handle reading of mged cmd reference |
| 20:53.21 | starseeker | I have other priorities at work right now |
| 20:53.29 | sporty | *friends* |
| 20:53.43 | sporty | starseeker: only one question |
| 20:53.44 | brlcad | IriX64: your sources are out of date, so the errors are no longer valid |
| 20:53.57 | brlcad | remember to try the latest sources when you run into problems |
| 20:54.01 | starseeker | sporty: what's the question? |
| 20:54.27 | brlcad | sporty: your premise is still invalid if they don't have the same background as y ou |
| 20:54.38 | sporty | starseeker: <refentry id="echo--rus"> or <refentry id="echo1"> for russian, and <refentry id="echo--deu"> or <refentry id="echo2"> - for german? |
| 20:54.50 | brlcad | same reason why people translate anything at all -- you certainly don't have to, nobody is going to make you |
| 20:55.04 | brlcad | if you do, much appreciated -- I'm sure others will appreciate the translations too |
| 20:55.59 | sporty | brlcad: believe me, it is not so! People, who're far from pc try to model bikes from American chopper in 3ds max- without a background in windows' file structures. |
| 20:57.04 | brlcad | sporty: I have absolutely no basis to believe anything you say, this is irc :) |
| 20:57.25 | brlcad | still it's bogus |
| 20:57.32 | sporty | brlcad: how about this: "region" = region, "elliptical" = ellipticheskiy, and so on - same words, just their meaning is *same* |
| 20:57.51 | sporty | ok |
| 20:57.57 | brlcad | shouldn't use dashes on the 'id' attributes if we're to be consistent |
| 20:58.11 | brlcad | most elsewhere it uses dots as a separator |
| 20:58.22 | sporty | brlcad: ok then <refentry id="echo1"> and <refentry id="echo2"> |
| 20:58.28 | sporty | ok |
| 20:58.29 | brlcad | dashes where the symbol itself has a dash (like line-width) |
| 20:58.42 | sporty | ok |
| 20:58.45 | brlcad | echo1 and echo2 are horrible id's :) |
| 20:58.53 | brlcad | it should say what it is |
| 20:59.00 | sporty | brlcad: which then? |
| 20:59.35 | starseeker | sporty: For language identification, I think it should use the lang property |
| 20:59.36 | sporty | echo1 =rus, echo2=deutsch, echo3=... |
| 20:59.52 | sporty | starseeker: which field? |
| 20:59.53 | brlcad | e.g., "index.preferred.page.properties", "table.footnote.properties", "body.end.indent", etc |
| 20:59.59 | starseeker | e.g. <refentry lang="ru"> |
| 21:00.14 | sporty | starseeker: at which line? |
| 21:00.51 | starseeker | Uh... what do you mean which line? You're specifying the language of that refentry |
| 21:00.58 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33270 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Activate Archer's wizard menu and primitive edit toolbar. Added commands for editing primitives via the mouse to libtclcad's Ged object. |
| 21:01.10 | sporty | i think i can add it at 5th or 6th line |
| 21:01.25 | starseeker | If you want unique ids for a command's refentry, do something like <refentry id="man.search.ru"> |
| 21:01.28 | sporty | starseeker: ok |
| 21:01.28 | brlcad | lang is xml namespaced too, isn't it? |
| 21:01.33 | brlcad | xml:lang="rt" |
| 21:01.36 | brlcad | er, heh |
| 21:01.39 | brlcad | ru |
| 21:02.03 | starseeker | not in the example here: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/ch04.html |
| 21:02.04 | sporty | <refentry id='b--rus'> |
| 21:02.06 | sporty | <refmeta> |
| 21:02.06 | sporty | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.37 | sporty | to:<refentry id='b--rus'> |
| 21:02.38 | sporty | <refmeta><refentrylang>ru</refentrylang> |
| 21:02.38 | sporty | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.58 | sporty | following a link |
| 21:03.06 | starseeker | I would do <refentry id="man.b.r" lang="ru"> |
| 21:03.19 | brlcad | ah, *docbook* has a lang attribute |
| 21:03.22 | brlcad | xml has one too |
| 21:03.25 | starseeker | er |
| 21:03.30 | sporty | starseeker: which is your email? that sm.........@yahoo or Cl...............@gmail ? |
| 21:03.32 | starseeker | I would do <refentry id="man.b.ru" lang="ru"> |
| 21:03.39 | starseeker | either |
| 21:03.47 | sporty | ok |
| 21:04.27 | brlcad | the id's don't mix with the english ones, they replace them -- can't they be/stay the same? |
| 21:04.29 | starseeker | It will be a while before I can refocus on documentation again though |
| 21:05.04 | starseeker | brlcad: Assuming there is no interest in using multiple language elements in a single document anywhere, sure |
| 21:05.06 | sporty | starseeker: i';; send you examples to check withing this hour. Then i will sleep. You can work. It's night in here |
| 21:05.08 | brlcad | which is what's cool about getting someone else to focus on it, just enough to get started ;) |
| 21:05.47 | sporty | ok |
| 21:06.17 | brlcad | just thinking simple is better .. mixing languages could get pretty messy on the build side |
| 21:06.31 | brlcad | unnecessarily messy -- at least on a per-file basis |
| 21:06.41 | starseeker | True |
| 21:07.02 | brlcad | they're supposed to be stashed into language dirs anyways, so having english in a 'ru' dir would be bogus in a way |
| 21:07.37 | sporty | "man.b.ru" lang="ru" - ok, this is a choice. but the rest of the file structure is as old as that search.xml - so... i'm about a final variant |
| 21:08.00 | sporty | starseeker: will wiki engine work with these files "as is"? |
| 21:08.28 | sporty | and: can i use wiki offline? what do i need for this? |
| 21:09.10 | sporty | <refentry id="man.b.ru" lang="ru"> |
| 21:09.25 | starseeker | wiki will not (yet) support these files "as is" |
| 21:09.35 | starseeker | extending it to do so is on my list |
| 21:09.51 | sporty | starseeker: how can i reduce your efforts? gimme a template |
| 21:09.59 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33271 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie_kdtree.h: spot a conflicting type error from irix64, needs to be stdint type |
| 21:10.16 | brlcad | ~sporty++ |
| 21:10.54 | starseeker | sporty: Any of the existing files in brlcad/doc/docbook/system/man1/ |
| 21:11.04 | sporty | starseeker: i can edit already-created files as youu wish. |
| 21:11.12 | starseeker | In fact, there is a file mged_cmd_template.xml |
| 21:11.16 | sporty | starseeker: ok, getting it |
| 21:11.26 | starseeker | but the main benefit for you is to do translations of the existing en files |
| 21:11.34 | starseeker | which are in en |
| 21:11.37 | sporty | starseeker: is this file big (in kb)? |
| 21:11.40 | starseeker | no |
| 21:11.48 | sporty | ok |
| 21:12.05 | starseeker | For id, just use the command name for now |
| 21:12.11 | starseeker | no man.b.ru |
| 21:12.22 | brlcad | huh, there is? I searched for two specific strings from the original html and couldn't find it |
| 21:12.23 | starseeker | If there are id conflicts, we'll work it out |
| 21:12.39 | sporty | i have about 30-40 files, those big as dm and so on. tiny files and files with *paragraphs* are on my list |
| 21:12.51 | sporty | starseeker: ok |
| 21:13.02 | brlcad | oh, oops -- index != template |
| 21:13.11 | starseeker | right |
| 21:13.42 | sporty | well, can i use tag <pre></pre> for paragraphs? |
| 21:13.49 | starseeker | I don't have a master index file that xincludes all the individual ones yet - that'll be what replaces the old appendix in Vol II |
| 21:14.03 | sporty | i mean that bold text from mged cmd index |
| 21:14.13 | starseeker | looks up the pre tag |
| 21:14.17 | sporty | starseeker: ok |
| 21:14.45 | sporty | starseeker: i would like to see off-line wiki engine in brlcad installation |
| 21:14.55 | sporty | ...when commands are separate |
| 21:14.58 | starseeker | pre isn't a docbook tag |
| 21:15.05 | sporty | starseeker: ok |
| 21:15.25 | starseeker | legal docbook tags can be found here: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part2.html |
| 21:15.32 | brlcad | sporty: you mean brl-cad installation |
| 21:15.47 | sporty | brlcad: no, i mean you! |
| 21:15.54 | brlcad | an off-line wiki is kinda pointless :) |
| 21:16.29 | sporty | brlcad: but it looks good! big mged cmd index just frighten me! |
| 21:16.30 | starseeker | The off-line way to view these files is either to point a web browser to the html install directory or use the new tkhtml3 based doc viewer |
| 21:16.33 | starseeker | in MGED |
| 21:17.00 | sporty | inmmged? |
| 21:17.01 | brlcad | sporty: sure .. that just has nothing to do with a 'wiki' |
| 21:17.36 | brlcad | off-line viewing is great, breaking up the page and displaying just the information requested, searchability, better organization .. all great things |
| 21:17.43 | sporty | ok, i gree to use it in mged - but how will i interrupt it to add nes argument to the command line? |
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| 21:18.05 | sporty | ok, keep on working |
| 21:18.09 | brlcad | sporty: you work on the conversion, we can work on the integration |
| 21:18.41 | brlcad | either breaking up the english and stubbing out more command files (using the mged_cmd_template) .. or by taking existing command files and translating them |
| 21:20.28 | sporty | brlcad: it's a double work - double work! |
| 21:20.41 | starseeker | Speaking alphabetically, we have someone who is already working on commands adc - dup |
| 21:21.05 | starseeker | you'll see those being integrated |
| 21:21.14 | sporty | i'm about an old cmd index - as i said it is quite easy to read it on english |
| 21:21.20 | brlcad | that's not double work |
| 21:21.26 | brlcad | the old is going away |
| 21:21.28 | brlcad | *poof* |
| 21:21.34 | brlcad | so you can help with that or help elsewhere |
| 21:22.11 | starseeker | I think he means it's not worth translating a lot of the docs |
| 21:22.13 | sporty | ok, i have about 30 files "as is", fully translated, i will send it today for an integration |
| 21:22.19 | starseeker | cool! |
| 21:22.27 | starseeker | thank you |
| 21:22.27 | brlcad | sporty: post it to the patches tracker |
| 21:22.34 | sporty | starseeker: no, i mean this: |
| 21:23.00 | sporty | The only sake to add other languages are: 1. for those who is in the scholl - but wants some first fast 'results' 2. for fast start with a program. Things like rt or modelling *do* need at least an english dictionary - and so on |
| 21:23.03 | brlcad | here, https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 21:23.48 | brlcad | sporty: are you just wanting to argue or make everyone agree with you? it's not necessary |
| 21:23.56 | brlcad | if you don't want to do a translation, then don't do it |
| 21:24.03 | brlcad | justifying why is not necessary |
| 21:24.07 | brlcad | someone else will eventually |
| 21:24.13 | sporty | brlcad: it's fun i can eat one ice cream instead of each megabyte of internet traffic... I want to send 50 kb to someone mailbox, not to post files... ah... |
| 21:25.28 | brlcad | sporty: it's easier to track credit for the contribution if you go through the patches tracker instead of via e-mail, so that others can be aware of your contributions |
| 21:25.49 | brlcad | that also makes it easier to justify giving you commit access down the road if you're being helpful/productive |
| 21:26.19 | sporty | no, i've added pages "about" and "wiki" to dloman77 box - now i'm trying to disassemble old mged_cmd_index.html. i have about 200 kb of short commands. this will be translated shortly wilst i have a break in reading some my skilled books |
| 21:26.25 | brlcad | shows you can work with others well enough that you'd be trusted to make the changes directly yourself, submitting as patches helps that process |
| 21:26.54 | brlcad | sporty: did dloman77 ask for those changes? |
| 21:28.12 | sporty | it was rus variant |
| 21:28.35 | sporty | brlcad: you have it in your mail box, i bet! |
| 21:28.51 | sporty | and starseeker already have it, too |
| 21:30.43 | sporty | starseeker: btw, those my messages - don't even read it now - i have new and edited files |
| 21:33.22 | sporty | oh my lord... i still stay far from http traffic... I agree to short memory in authors page later, after all, when i will feel a vanity! |
| 21:35.45 | sporty | i guess i'm offline again |
| 21:35.53 | sporty | no.. |
| 21:42.05 | sporty | shall i leave this or it is not actual: Currently, only binary objects containing a uniform array of simple objects is supported. |
| 21:42.31 | brlcad | that's still true |
| 21:42.38 | sporty | ок |
| 21:43.10 | sporty | la-la(Alt+Shift)-ла |
| 21:43.40 | sporty | Ñ
е-Ñ
е = he-he |
| 21:44.42 | sporty | as you can see, main words are same |
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| 21:54.02 | sporty | "brlcad: that's still true" - shame on you! |
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| 22:06.46 | sporty | again, stay far from http - staying far from http traffic |
| 22:07.13 | sporty | sending |part1| to starseeker |
| 22:15.07 | brlcad | sporty: that's not shameful |
| 22:15.37 | brlcad | non-uniform binary objects have such limited use (actually NO use to us without implementing other features that would use them) |
| 22:16.42 | brlcad | it's just that functionality was stubbed for non-uniform, so the statement is true -- it won't make coffee for you too, but since we didn't stub it there is no statement |
| 22:17.55 | sporty | brlcad: ok |
| 22:21.12 | sporty | ok... i wanted to add some "international" glamour with that ".../d/About" page and wiki and wiki rus references. Btw, how can i transform pdf-to-html to translate some pdf files from /d/documents? |
| 22:22.31 | starseeker | Don't know if it's any good, but there's this: http://pdftohtml.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:23.38 | sporty | starseeker: i will starve the rest of the week if i will have gone to sourceforge - but i will go! |
| 22:25.01 | sporty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.04 | starseeker | Even using a text browser? |
| 22:25.11 | sporty | proxy... |
| 22:25.17 | starseeker | is partial to links |
| 22:25.37 | sporty | starseeker: even pay 0.30 per each megabyte! |
| 22:26.00 | louipc | poppler is good for pdfto* |
| 22:26.02 | louipc | http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ |
| 22:26.07 | sporty | toonel.net |
| 22:26.39 | sporty | hope it has no dependencies on the different libs |
| 22:27.34 | sporty | 0.30 usd |
| 22:27.52 | starseeker | Here's the original links text browser: http://links.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:28.01 | sporty | ok... but i can use it to read my books... |
| 22:28.39 | starseeker | There used to be services where you could order CDs/DVDs with whole linux distros on them |
| 22:28.46 | starseeker | perhaps that would be cheaper, even with shipping |
| 22:28.57 | sporty | starseeker: text browsers don't save traffic... when your web browser has images turned off |
| 22:30.10 | starseeker | Ah |
| 22:30.25 | sporty | starseeker: i know good asplinux on e.g. 5 cd s with tons of libs and everything - i do not know anyone with fresh version, don't want to pay 400 usd for 3-month professional support |
| 22:31.08 | starseeker | what's the latest version? |
| 22:32.22 | sporty | latest... don't know... it is a Fedora-like with rpms... My old version was too old for new laptop - and i had to install ubuntu from one cd |
| 22:32.44 | sporty | www.asplinux.ru |
| 22:34.00 | starseeker | Don't know if these guys are any good, but... http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/asp |
| 22:34.06 | brlcad | sporty: don't do pdf-to-html on anything |
| 22:34.18 | brlcad | we have the originals in other formats (whether they be docbook or msword or whatever) |
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| 22:34.41 | brlcad | those are much better starting points than the pdf unless you are just going to type everything in from scratch |
| 22:35.08 | sporty | brlcad: why? I want to "format" my skilled books (600 pages of plain inspiration) - and to translate some /d/docs |
| 22:35.15 | brlcad | those weren't made in a vaccuum .. we have the originals ;) |
| 22:35.55 | brlcad | i'm not saying don't do the translation -- i'm saying don't just start doing a pdf-to-html conversion |
| 22:36.00 | brlcad | starting with the pdf would be stupid |
| 22:36.05 | brlcad | we have better formats to start from |
| 22:36.06 | sporty | brlcad: ok, which one has a least size in kilobytes? send me one, i can handle it in a text editor |
| 22:36.28 | brlcad | i can send you volume 1 |
| 22:36.39 | brlcad | if you do a decent job on that, we can try 3 or 2 |
| 22:37.02 | brlcad | 2 is already docbookified |
| 22:37.08 | sporty | brlcad: ok, i'm waiting - at morning, one megabyte will be equal to one ice cream, now it's only 3 megabytes are equal to one ice cream.... |
| 22:37.11 | brlcad | that'd be the better starting point .. don't know about vol 1 |
| 22:37.27 | brlcad | sporty: huh? wtf are you talking about? :) |
| 22:37.34 | brlcad | you want me to buy you some ice cream? |
| 22:37.52 | sporty | brlcad: let me only to translate it, and "What size does it have"? |
| 22:38.10 | starseeker | volume 1 is small |
| 22:38.13 | brlcad | tiny |
| 22:38.16 | sporty | Volume one.... let me guess.... 980 kb ?? |
| 22:38.20 | brlcad | i don't remember the exact size, but it's tiny |
| 22:38.22 | sporty | come on! |
| 22:38.30 | sporty | tell me |
| 22:38.44 | brlcad | what part of "I don't remember" do you not understand? :) |
| 22:38.45 | sporty | and send now, not after an hour! |
| 22:39.08 | sporty | brlcad: ok, just tell me before you send it |
| 22:39.33 | starseeker | brlcad: Is that the Overview on the wiki? |
| 22:39.38 | brlcad | sporty: i'll probably post it and you can pull it when you're ready |
| 22:39.48 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, is that docbookified yet? |
| 22:39.55 | starseeker | Don't think so. |
| 22:39.57 | brlcad | k |
| 22:40.06 | brlcad | good, cause I have that in italian too |
| 22:40.07 | starseeker | Was just thinking I can copy that text and send it to him, no images |
| 22:42.47 | brlcad | it's already neatly tagged somewhere |
| 22:43.06 | sporty | starseeker: right! |
| 22:43.22 | sporty | starseeker: this way work will be faster! |
| 22:43.37 | PrezKennedy | hey, anyone wanna go to Zimbabwe? |
| 22:43.47 | PrezKennedy | i hear their water goes right through ya... |
| 22:43.54 | sporty | e.g. save the file as "complete html", than send me only compresseg .html |
| 22:44.45 | sporty | PrezKennedy: i want to ask your daughters' hands, roasted with ketchup, on a lunch |
| 22:45.01 | sporty | PrezKennedy: it's crisis... and i want to ask your daughters' hands, roasted with ketchup, on a lunch |
| 22:47.04 | PrezKennedy | yes... i think... |
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| 22:47.58 | brlcad | sporty: well you can copy the text yourself from the website then too :) |
| 22:48.02 | sporty | PrezKennedy: ok! quickly! i'm hungry ...for love... |
| 22:48.19 | brlcad | save the page, do your edits |
| 22:48.27 | brlcad | that's also tagged up well enough |
| 22:48.30 | sporty | brlcad: ha-ha - i will have to download .pdf file |
| 22:48.36 | brlcad | no, volume I |
| 22:48.50 | sporty | brlcad: ok, give me a link |
| 22:48.59 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Overview |
| 22:49.09 | sporty | just don't... ah! /d/documents ?? |
| 22:49.14 | sporty | ok |
| 22:49.28 | brlcad | ah, yeah -- that's even a wiki page, so you could add the internationalization directly |
| 22:50.26 | brlcad | simplified version here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD |
| 22:50.34 | brlcad | *very* simplified |
| 22:50.54 | sporty | stares at Bloodhound Gang - Ballad Of Chasey Lain |
| 22:51.11 | sporty | he's her biggest fan! |
| 22:51.51 | sporty | she have a lot of friends, he has a lot of time! Come on, sing it 2get there |
| 22:53.08 | sporty | why "simlified" read this: naturalstuff.110mb.com - second paragraph |
| 22:56.10 | brlcad | i'm saying the wikipedia write-up is a simplified version of the english variant |
| 22:56.38 | brlcad | and both of those are a simplified derivative of the wiki/Overview page (they started out as the same content) |
| 22:56.43 | brlcad | wanders off |
| 22:58.18 | sporty | brlcad: what if i'm editin that page - will you have to copy my new brave foreign words into some .xml file? |
| 22:58.44 | sporty | brlcad: do you know Charley Wuffles ? He's a singer? |
| 22:59.27 | sporty | Charley Wuffles = Charley Shean in "Two and a half men" |
| 23:02.44 | sporty | ok, going to drink my drinks and watch my watches |
| 23:03.07 | sporty | i mean going to switch off internet this day off |
| 23:03.18 | sporty | i mean going to quit the chat |
| 23:03.27 | sporty | i\m quitting |
| 23:03.42 | sporty | bye! see you |
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| 23:04.19 | sporty | see you're sitting and do not answering! |
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| 23:04.37 | PrezKennedy | i want what he's on |
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| 23:26.41 | IriX64 | would anybody have any idea on how to solve the can't find -llibtermlib thing in fbed? |
| 23:28.00 | IriX64 | same in lgt |
| 23:29.32 | Ralith | IriX64: -l implies a "lib" prefix; try -ltermlib |
| 23:29.47 | Ralith | unless I'm missing something |
| 23:30.06 | IriX64 | ahh thankyou |
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| 23:52.10 | Ralith | brlcad: do you still have that paper on cutaway generation lying around? |
| 23:52.15 | Ralith | can't find where he put it |
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