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| 02:38.46 | thing0 | morning yall |
| 02:44.31 | yukonbob | hey brlcad |
| 02:44.38 | yukonbob | 2 questions when you have some time. |
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| 06:06.43 | yukonbob | . |
| 06:06.51 | louipc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.57 | louipc | ooh |
| 06:07.13 | Laniakea | louipc: you surf? |
| 06:07.29 | Laniakea | louipc: do you have Mr. Zog's Seks Waks? |
| 06:08.10 | louipc | i have Firefox :D |
| 06:08.19 | Laniakea | oh |
| 06:08.33 | Laniakea | but even this type of surfing can bring you a sixpack |
| 06:08.52 | louipc | hahah |
| 09:27.28 | minute | yukonbob: Just working on the website. |
| 09:28.41 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Did you get my messages? |
| 10:18.41 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: If it is alright with you can we start populating Drupal and the Wiki with content (once I port the skin). We have reached the point where imporvements will be made as we go along and are needed (for example when you decide about a poll question a poll can easily be added). |
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| 18:08.33 | yukonbob | . |
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| 18:42.15 | louipc | . |
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| 18:55.01 | yukonbob | louipc: what version of brlcad are you running? |
| 18:55.18 | louipc | 7.10.2 |
| 18:56.04 | yukonbob | *test on 7.8.4 |
| 18:56.19 | louipc | hah I just noticed something funny.. there's a video game called enigma and there's a program in BRL-CAD called enigma :/ |
| 18:59.58 | brlcad | it's a 3rd party tool, a public domain replacement/implementation for/of 'crypt' |
| 19:00.14 | brlcad | and something we can throw away on a dime if we had to |
| 19:01.24 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yes, I read your comments -- thanks |
| 19:02.09 | louipc | yep I looked into it a bit |
| 19:02.11 | brlcad | and I agree that the there's not a good distinction between the tan bar and the pale green footer, but as you noted -- it's at least "consistent" working well with the header |
| 19:02.52 | brlcad | probably just needs a hairline separation, or the tan bar can be changed later to something easier to work with or the green too |
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| 19:05.09 | brlcad | as for an initial poll question, I have several ideas myself -- but I'd be interested in hearing ideas from others first (feel free to speak up!) :) |
| 19:05.50 | poolio | allo brlcad |
| 19:05.55 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 19:06.06 | brlcad | how was the first week? |
| 19:06.14 | brlcad | yukonbob: excellent :) |
| 19:06.24 | yukonbob | brlcad, heh ;) |
| 19:06.28 | poolio | pretty boring. classes are going to be rough though. my laptop is on the fritz :\ |
| 19:07.14 | yukonbob | brlcad: while I've got you online, is there a 'time' component to shooting rays? Ie: can one determine how long to reach a target, and reflect back? |
| 19:07.23 | poolio | didn't get the programming class ... so I'm not doing any coding for 4 months :o |
| 19:07.50 | louipc | that sucks |
| 19:08.03 | poolio | You can determine the distance....and you can get the time based on the speed you want your ray to be using simple mathematics |
| 19:08.17 | poolio | yeah...vga card is bad or the memory controller is fscked. |
| 19:08.19 | brlcad | yukonbob: not inherintly, time would be a parameter in the application's domain |
| 19:08.31 | yukonbob | ok... that's what I was curious about... |
| 19:08.35 | brlcad | so while you can certainly track it based off of the distances, the library doesn't know about time |
| 19:08.51 | poolio | Is the speed of light defined anywhere in brl-cad? |
| 19:08.54 | brlcad | there have been several apps that take time into account |
| 19:10.59 | brlcad | poolio: not really, none of the tools in brl-cad take time as a unit into account other than for basic unit conversion (and then it's only wrt a "lightyear" distance) |
| 19:11.39 | brlcad | most ray-tracers assume you're simulating instant propagation |
| 19:11.42 | poolio | Ah ok. I might have to write some code to aid me in physics to scratch my coding itch. |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:12.50 | brlcad | most of my most interesting code was actually done outside of class |
| 19:14.42 | brlcad | even with the coding classes, there's often too little time to actually sort through "real" issues as you're focused on whatever the goal of the homework assignment was (which is usually just a specific task and not "production-quality" are rarely ever practical code) |
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| 19:19.25 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Got your messages. |
| 19:19.31 | MinuteElectron | Can't deal with it now. |
| 19:19.40 | brlcad | deal with what? |
| 19:19.44 | MinuteElectron | I still am unable to access your site and connecting through someone elses server is tedious. |
| 19:20.00 | brlcad | sorry to hear about that.. figure out the cause? |
| 19:20.06 | brlcad | anything I can do to help? :) |
| 19:20.11 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Polls, hairline border, MediaWiki porting. |
| 19:20.40 | brlcad | I'm working on the hairline, don't worry about it |
| 19:20.49 | brlcad | even without it, it's probably "good enough" for now |
| 19:20.57 | brlcad | the site is still way better than the current |
| 19:21.04 | brlcad | way better :) |
| 19:21.12 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: It is a very odd problem, all my other friends who use Virgin media can access the site, and so can every other machine. All the other machines in my house have a same problem. |
| 19:21.16 | MinuteElectron | Thanks :D |
| 19:21.26 | brlcad | pm me your IP |
| 19:21.34 | MinuteElectron | The response time is about half a second with occasional pauses. |
| 19:22.03 | brlcad | I can try a traceroute to see if there's anything unusual with the route |
| 19:23.45 | MinuteElectron | For me it times out at sagonet.net if that means anything to you. |
| 19:23.56 | brlcad | aack |
| 19:23.58 | brlcad | found the problem |
| 19:24.03 | MinuteElectron | Well, it hops to there then can't reach any further. |
| 19:24.04 | brlcad | this time it's something else |
| 19:24.12 | brlcad | gimmie a sec |
| 19:24.19 | MinuteElectron | K. |
| 19:25.47 | brlcad | try it now |
| 19:27.04 | brlcad | apparently after the problem started, or perhaps even as a result of it, there were a lot of invalid ssh connection attempts |
| 19:27.26 | MinuteElectron | It seams to work. |
| 19:27.35 | MinuteElectron | After the problem? |
| 19:27.48 | brlcad | the server watches most connection activity and if anything is excessively abnormal, it blocks connetivity -- it detected a problem from your ip and blocked (more than a dozen invalid connections) |
| 19:27.57 | brlcad | on the 30th |
| 19:28.03 | brlcad | so three days ago |
| 19:28.04 | MinuteElectron | Oh, ok. |
| 19:28.32 | MinuteElectron | Is it 30 in total ever or 30 in total over a set period pof time. |
| 19:28.37 | MinuteElectron | brb |
| 19:29.07 | MinuteElectron | back |
| 19:29.07 | brlcad | part of an intrusion detection setup, the server gets hit with a couple dozen attacks per day that are automatically taken care of usually within a minute of the attack |
| 19:29.43 | brlcad | it happened on Aug 30 that the block went into effect |
| 19:29.55 | MinuteElectron | Well, you see. I am a sloppy typer and I think I must have made about 30 bad password entries in my time with access to the server. |
| 19:30.11 | brlcad | nah, bad passwords are detected different |
| 19:30.18 | MinuteElectron | Oh, ok. |
| 19:30.18 | brlcad | there is a limit on those, but that's not what you hit |
| 19:30.36 | MinuteElectron | So, my IP attacked your server? |
| 19:30.37 | brlcad | "invalid" ssh connections, as reported by ssh |
| 19:30.52 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, how odd. |
| 19:30.59 | brlcad | all within a short time period of about a day or two |
| 19:31.04 | MinuteElectron | Sorry for causing so much trouble if it was my fault. |
| 19:31.09 | brlcad | nah, it's no biggie |
| 19:31.31 | brlcad | this was obviously a false positive, and those are always bad -- and the server's fault imho |
| 19:31.45 | brlcad | though could have been provoked by the connection problems you were having before |
| 19:32.03 | brlcad | because when you first started having problems, and you gave me your ip, I checked.. and you weren't on the list |
| 19:32.24 | brlcad | so maybe the connection problems through your ISP caused the bad ssh connections, hard to say |
| 19:32.46 | MinuteElectron | That would make sense, if I were unable to access the server for a few hours and periodiclly checked it could cause messed my connections which then triggered the firewall. |
| 19:33.44 | brlcad | yeah, something like that could trigger it |
| 19:34.40 | brlcad | one of the most common ssh attacks is ones looking for vulnerable sshd's where the client connects about a dozen times, all 'invalid' where the client sends bogus data to the sshd testing whether it's vunlerable |
| 19:35.15 | brlcad | that's obviously not what was going on in your case, but connection-wise, it looks the same |
| 19:35.22 | MinuteElectron | I see. |
| 19:35.49 | MinuteElectron | Does there happen to be a directory I could use to store data in, I need a directory to stick my skin and its stuff in? |
| 19:36.03 | MinuteElectron | So I can symlink it to MediaWiki and Drupal. |
| 19:36.09 | brlcad | skin? |
| 19:36.15 | MinuteElectron | the brlcad design. |
| 19:36.27 | MinuteElectron | The thing I have been working on for several months. |
| 19:36.33 | brlcad | it's currently in d/themes/brlcad no? |
| 19:36.46 | MinuteElectron | Yeah. |
| 19:36.58 | MinuteElectron | So I can symlink w/skins/brlcad to that directory? |
| 19:37.19 | brlcad | sure, or symlink them both to someplace else if you like |
| 19:37.30 | MinuteElectron | That would be cleaner. |
| 19:37.42 | brlcad | anywhere in the my.brlcad.org that you think works well organizationally |
| 19:37.55 | brlcad | if it's going to be shared, probably deserves to be at the same level as d and w |
| 19:38.00 | MinuteElectron | I am very warey about upgrading Drupal because I have never used it before so am worried about erasing the skin. |
| 19:38.03 | MinuteElectron | Ok, cool. |
| 19:42.38 | brlcad | sorry for taking so long to check your ip again, that was bad diligence on my part |
| 19:43.01 | brlcad | good news now, though, is that you're on a whitelist so you shouldn't get blocked again if it the same thing happens |
| 19:43.15 | brlcad | or even if something different happens |
| 19:47.29 | MinuteElectron | Thanks :D |
| 19:49.29 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, how odd. I can't chown my own files to www and vice versa. |
| 20:00.42 | poolio | try sudo? |
| 20:05.53 | MinuteElectron | I can't. |
| 20:05.56 | MinuteElectron | I am not sudo. |
| 20:10.44 | MinuteElectron | It kind-of makes sense. |
| 20:11.09 | MinuteElectron | If you sudo as a user then you technically are that user and not your old user. |
| 20:11.30 | MinuteElectron | So you don't have the permissions of both users, just the one you are sudoing as. |
| 20:11.41 | MinuteElectron | But it would be nice for it not to be that way. |
| 20:20.13 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Got some news that I can put on the site? |
| 20:23.13 | louipc | cool the site is skinnable? |
| 20:24.18 | MinuteElectron | Yeah... |
| 20:30.19 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: you should be able to sudo chown -u www |
| 20:30.28 | MinuteElectron | I sould? Cool. |
| 20:30.35 | MinuteElectron | Does that work both ways? |
| 20:30.48 | brlcad | as www chown back to you? |
| 20:31.07 | brlcad | once it's www, you sudo -u www |
| 20:31.24 | brlcad | fyi, i'm tweaking the footer |
| 20:31.26 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 20:31.30 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 20:31.35 | brlcad | so poking on page.tpl and the style |
| 20:31.46 | MinuteElectron | ok, I won't mess about with it yet, |
| 20:41.10 | brlcad | stupid botnets |
| 20:43.29 | yukonbob | in tt pipe 4 0 0 0 17 20 10 20 0 0 19 20 10 560 0 0 19 20 10 580 0 0 17 20 10 |
| 20:43.48 | yukonbob | in tt2 pipe 4 0 0 0 17 20 10 20 0 0 19 20 10 563.566 0 0 19 20 10 583.566 0 0 17 20 10 |
| 20:44.07 | yukonbob | sed tt2 |
| 20:44.14 | yukonbob | rot 0 -10 0 |
| 20:44.35 | yukonbob | *these should endup w/ the "left" edge at same x |
| 20:44.38 | yukonbob | (580) |
| 20:45.09 | yukonbob | on 7.8.4, the rot explodes tt2 to a huge length, though. |
| 20:48.41 | yukonbob | ?is it the floating point measurement |
| 20:54.08 | yukonbob | ("left" at 'ae 90 0') |
| 20:54.10 | yukonbob | :P |
| 21:05.56 | yukonbob | ?can anybody else confirm the buggy behaviour |
| 21:07.49 | louipc | what's the error? |
| 21:14.20 | yukonbob | louipc: did you build the pipes and do the rotation? |
| 21:16.18 | louipc | http://louipc.dontexist.org/2007-09-02-171442_1280x1024_scrot.png |
| 21:16.54 | yukonbob | 1 sec |
| 21:17.19 | louipc | I don't know what it should look like or anything hah |
| 21:24.44 | yukonbob | www.methodlogic.net/flat/gfx/disp_error.pdf |
| 21:24.58 | yukonbob | :P -- xwd wouldn't grab screen for some reason... |
| 21:25.52 | louipc | oh wow |
| 21:26.01 | louipc | so try the latest version maybe? :D |
| 21:28.34 | yukonbob | www.methodlogic.net/flat/gfx/disp_error.png (same thing, but actual screen grab) |
| 21:29.15 | yukonbob | louipc: ya -- re: latest, I'm _still_ trying to get tcl 8.5 to build like I want, and, that version of tcl is still in beta form... |
| 21:29.43 | yukonbob | I've got lots of other tcl-dependant software I need to keep running ;) |
| 21:29.57 | louipc | the brlcad bundled one won't work? |
| 21:30.03 | louipc | hm |
| 21:31.00 | louipc | I've actually had two Tcls installed before hehe |
| 21:31.44 | yukonbob | louipc: I'm sure it's possible... I'm just trying to build w/i package framework, and possibly with libs, etc. completely seperate... I've not got that figured out yet... |
| 21:32.15 | yukonbob | there's still a bug in 7.8.4, though :) |
| 21:32.32 | louipc | yeah I was kind of trying that but there's other things I need to fix too :/ |
| 21:34.24 | yukonbob | hrmm... if I: rot 0 -20 0; rot 0 10 0 -- it "works". |
| 21:35.05 | yukonbob | and in my screenshot, one can see how it "knows" where the endpoints should be... |
| 21:37.46 | yukonbob | exiting/reopening with a "bad" element yields same result (ie: element is still "bad") |
| 21:37.55 | yukonbob | *exiting/reopening db |
| 21:43.13 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Difficculties? |
| 21:59.03 | brlcad | drupal has a voting module built-in |
| 22:00.07 | MinuteElectron | It does, well that is kind-of the problem. |
| 22:00.34 | MinuteElectron | The poll wouldn't be able to go on MediaWiki if it is Drupal integrated. If you don't mind that then we can use the module. |
| 22:05.35 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * 10brlcad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:05.35 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: Added basic tab expansion by adding a binding for tab. Does not use readline |
| 22:05.35 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: library (would require massive rewrite of ged.c and text.tcl). This may be |
| 22:05.35 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: enough to satisfy the feature request for tab expansion. |
| 22:09.56 | MinuteElectron | Drupal has such a steep learning curve. |
| 22:24.57 | brlcad | i don't think the poll needs to expose over to the wiki |
| 22:25.18 | brlcad | i see the wiki being used as the primary documentation, knowledgebase center |
| 22:25.46 | brlcad | wouldn't want most of the dynamic site content on the wiki so that the pages can be readily printed if needed |
| 22:27.01 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 23:00.13 | brlcad | whew |
| 23:00.35 | brlcad | the more I use it, the more I dislike css :) |
| 23:00.40 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 23:00.43 | MinuteElectron | it sucks |
| 23:00.47 | MinuteElectron | nice work |
| 23:00.51 | brlcad | the footer should have that hilight now |
| 23:00.54 | brlcad | see how it looks |
| 23:01.23 | MinuteElectron | Veyr nice, just the border around the image now. |
| 23:01.27 | poolio | If I say "eww" are you going to slap me? |
| 23:01.55 | brlcad | depends :) |
| 23:02.13 | brlcad | eww as in doesn't work or you just don't like the overall look |
| 23:02.32 | brlcad | don't care if you don't like the overall/color/layout :) |
| 23:02.42 | brlcad | it's better than what's up now, a lot better, and that's the point for now |
| 23:02.58 | brlcad | if it eww because it doesn't render correctly, then I'd care :) |
| 23:03.08 | poolio | well, it doesn't render correctly |
| 23:03.23 | MinuteElectron | Can you do a screeshot? |
| 23:03.27 | poolio | otw |
| 23:03.42 | brlcad | worked fine in firefox/safari for me |
| 23:03.53 | brlcad | i know ie6 has problems with the transparent png's |
| 23:03.59 | poolio | http://poolio.org/files/header.png |
| 23:04.05 | MinuteElectron | Yeah, pngfix doesn't work on that. |
| 23:04.27 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 23:04.43 | poolio | brlcad: question, www.poolio.org goes to bz.bzflag.bz how do I fix that? |
| 23:04.57 | poolio | (well, duh it goes there, but it displays the bz.bzflag.bz text) |
| 23:04.58 | brlcad | different style/font being applied.. not so easy to make the search field and menu auto-expanding |
| 23:07.01 | louipc | what's so bad about css? |
| 23:08.03 | brlcad | poolio: you had a bad alias line in your apache config |
| 23:08.15 | brlcad | needed to be *.poolio.org, not just poolio.org |
| 23:08.25 | brlcad | i fixed it |
| 23:08.28 | poolio | thanks |
| 23:11.09 | brlcad | louipc: pita to get things lined up, with the right layering of A on top of B underneath C, the appropriate scales/resizes, etc |
| 23:12.13 | brlcad | fg |
| 23:12.34 | louipc | yeah it depends on different browsers, screen resolutions etc |
| 23:13.54 | louipc | it's easier to just use block positioning, one thing after another |
| 23:34.52 | MinuteElectron | goodngiht, I will sort out some stuff tomorrow - but my big project is getting the poll into the sidebar. |
| 23:36.42 | brlcad | hm, that should just be a matter of setting the poll as a block, enabling that block on the main page ("promote to front page") |
