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| 00:52.07 | IriX64 | hi |
| 00:55.07 | IriX64 | I wonder if this has been reported, creating a metaball crashes mged |
| 00:55.42 | IriX64 | version 7.8.4 is mine |
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| 05:30.08 | thing0 | hey yall |
| 05:36.52 | brlcad | howdy thing0 |
| 05:45.24 | thing0 | how you been brlcad? |
| 05:45.35 | brlcad | pretty good, busy like crazy |
| 05:45.40 | thing0 | hehe |
| 05:45.46 | thing0 | yeah work is quite intense |
| 05:45.52 | thing0 | barely get time to stop and eat |
| 05:45.54 | thing0 | hehe |
| 05:47.41 | brlcad | oh, my belly indicates that I do still find time for that |
| 05:47.52 | brlcad | though I don't usually stop even when eating ;) |
| 05:48.50 | thing0 | hehe |
| 05:48.52 | thing0 | yeah |
| 05:49.06 | thing0 | it just means I have to wonder back to the office to get the food |
| 05:49.17 | thing0 | I worked through lunch yesterday getting materials for a job |
| 05:49.36 | thing0 | but I fly out this wednesday |
| 05:49.42 | thing0 | so I get to have a break for a while |
| 05:51.18 | thing0 | had two paid days off last week |
| 05:51.25 | thing0 | cause of acid plant startup |
| 05:51.39 | thing0 | it started up with no issues once one of the lines were unblocked |
| 05:52.12 | thing0 | it is very good for the company I work for |
| 05:52.12 | thing0 | shows we are competent |
| 05:52.12 | thing0 | ;) |
| 05:55.00 | brlcad | acid plant? |
| 05:55.18 | brlcad | you're trippin'? :) |
| 05:57.11 | thing0 | hehe |
| 05:57.16 | thing0 | that's why weren |
| 05:57.23 | thing0 | 't allowed at work |
| 05:57.26 | thing0 | incase of poisoning |
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| 15:54.23 | louipc | morning |
| 16:40.54 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 20:32.17 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/hex.c a little routine written by a friend of my son's to produce capscrews to whatever pitch you want writing out a .g file for you |
| 20:37.06 | brlcad | IriX64: erm, where'd that come from? |
| 20:37.27 | brlcad | seems actually like a useful tool with the right polish |
| 20:37.46 | IriX64 | friend of my sons |
| 20:38.22 | IriX64 | just talked to him, says its yours if you want it |
| 20:39.11 | brlcad | curious how/why he wrote it |
| 20:39.49 | brlcad | also curious that he chose the ascii format instead of libwdb directly :) |
| 20:39.58 | IriX64 | I was fooling with brlcad and he decided to help, he's really good |
| 20:40.08 | IriX64 | asc2g thats why, we're lazy :) |
| 20:42.36 | brlcad | can you get jamie to post it to the patches tracker? |
| 20:42.44 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 20:43.09 | brlcad | er, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 20:43.30 | IriX64 | he's doing it |
| 20:44.06 | IriX64 | why patches? |
| 20:44.23 | IriX64 | this is a littl tool |
| 20:45.48 | IriX64 | Irssi is fun :) |
| 20:46.13 | brlcad | it's a change, changes go into the patches tracker |
| 20:46.34 | IriX64 | he thanks you |
| 20:46.35 | brlcad | that gives a means to comment on and document where first-additions come from when it's someone new |
| 20:46.49 | brlcad | thanks me? he wrote it |
| 20:46.54 | brlcad | pretty nifty tool |
| 20:46.54 | IriX64 | understood |
| 20:47.03 | IriX64 | he's *very good |
| 20:47.08 | brlcad | might have to update it to libwdb though |
| 20:47.28 | IriX64 | do what you want to it |
| 20:47.53 | IriX64 | remember if its not taking up disk space it's broken |
| 20:49.22 | IriX64 | permission to do a /ver on some of the channel members (I'm testing a little bit) |
| 20:50.33 | louipc | neat |
| 20:50.45 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: You can do it on me. |
| 20:50.47 | louipc | what kind of screw does it do? |
| 20:50.54 | IriX64 | thankyou |
| 20:51.01 | louipc | I was actually thinking of doing something like that eventually hah |
| 20:51.07 | IriX64 | louipc i'm not sure ive never used it |
| 20:51.59 | IriX64 | MinuteElectron i386? time to trade it in :) |
| 20:52.33 | MinuteElectron | it is? |
| 20:52.37 | IriX64 | 0.8.11 is relased i'm running it here |
| 20:52.52 | IriX64 | and freebsd eh? |
| 20:53.04 | MinuteElectron | It is brlcad's server. |
| 20:53.17 | IriX64 | is it really? |
| 20:53.21 | MinuteElectron | I m using it for IRC so that people can contact me about problems with the website. |
| 20:53.33 | IriX64 | ahh I understand |
| 20:53.53 | MinuteElectron | Well, not just IRC> |
| 20:54.00 | IriX64 | of course |
| 20:54.03 | MinuteElectron | I use it to edit the website and the website is hosted on it to. |
| 20:54.15 | louipc | I think debian only goes to i386 too |
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| 20:54.58 | IriX64 | err :P |
| 20:55.05 | MinuteElectron | What is the one after i386? |
| 20:55.19 | IriX64 | z80 ;) |
| 20:55.21 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 20:56.20 | louipc | i586 i686 |
| 20:56.57 | louipc | pentium III is i686 |
| 20:57.14 | louipc | whish is pretty old |
| 20:57.21 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 20:59.14 | MinuteElectron | I have the urge to find out about my computer. |
| 21:00.53 | louipc | the best way is to build it yourself :D |
| 21:01.14 | louipc | then you get all the manuals for your motherboard etc |
| 21:01.16 | MinuteElectron | I bought the motherboard second hand. |
| 21:01.22 | MinuteElectron | It is an ePox or somthing |
| 21:01.33 | MinuteElectron | No manual - just a disk |
| 21:01.49 | louipc | then install unix or a unix-like OS |
| 21:01.56 | MinuteElectron | I have, on the other hard drive. |
| 21:02.12 | MinuteElectron | But I can't get it to work with my wireless network. |
| 21:02.12 | louipc | yeah I didn't know anything until I started using linux, but I still know very little |
| 21:02.54 | louipc | yeah wireless is an issue because they only release drivers for windows |
| 21:03.14 | MinuteElectron | ubuntu comes with the drivers, the trouble is it won't connect to my wirless network (or anyone elses for that matter). |
| 21:04.39 | louipc | they try to go about it by emulating windows in a kernel module called 'ndiswrapper' that you can load windows drivers on. |
| 21:04.53 | MinuteElectron | The druvers work. |
| 21:05.05 | MinuteElectron | And I can't be pissed. |
| 21:05.48 | MinuteElectron | I like Unix-like OSs. |
| 21:05.58 | louipc | :D |
| 21:06.03 | MinuteElectron | And I want to use them. |
| 21:06.07 | MinuteElectron | But Windows Just Works (tm). |
| 21:06.12 | louipc | how do you know if the driver works when you can't connect? |
| 21:06.26 | MinuteElectron | Because it detects the networks. |
| 21:07.22 | louipc | yeah unix-like OSs are a pain in the ass to configure etc... but they don't crash and freeze as much :D |
| 21:07.27 | MinuteElectron | The only thing I hate about Ubuntu: it loaded GRUB onto my computer and now I have to select windows every time I boot up. |
| 21:07.54 | louipc | you can change the grub settings to boot into windows automatically |
| 21:08.00 | MinuteElectron | I can? |
| 21:08.00 | louipc | yep |
| 21:08.25 | louipc | and if you want to boot into something else you just hold shift or something to get to the menu |
| 21:09.35 | louipc | I hardly ever reboot so I haven't really looked into how to do it heh |
| 21:10.08 | MinuteElectron | hehe, I wish I was in that sort of position. |
| 21:10.08 | louipc | but at least you can have windows selected as default. That's easy and straightforward |
| 21:11.06 | louipc | do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst in your ubuntu install? |
| 21:11.57 | MinuteElectron | *shrug* I never boot into it and I can't tell from inside windows since it is in a Linux file system. |
| 21:12.44 | louipc | MinuteElectron: install Archlinux in it instead then |
| 21:12.56 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 21:13.59 | MinuteElectron | heh |
| 21:14.54 | MinuteElectron | louipc: What Desktop environment does it come with by default? |
| 21:15.00 | louipc | it'll increase your nerd factor by 3x |
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| 21:15.09 | louipc | MinuteElectron: none, you choose |
| 21:15.27 | louipc | yet it's pretty easy to use |
| 21:15.53 | louipc | so you can use gnome, or kde, or whatever you want really after doing the basic installation |
| 21:16.11 | louipc | but... about the wireless I'm not sure |
| 21:16.35 | MinuteElectron | wireless is pretty much essential. |
| 21:16.53 | MinuteElectron | without it I have no internet as I am not allowed to trail cabling all around the house |
| 21:18.24 | louipc | yep well you could set it up via cable then if it works |
| 21:18.34 | louipc | do you know what drivers you need? |
| 21:19.03 | MinuteElectron | zd1211 |
| 21:19.11 | MinuteElectron | I don't have a long enough cable. |
| 21:19.41 | MinuteElectron | Wow, fate. I clicked Random page on the wiki and http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Networkmanager came up. |
| 21:20.10 | louipc | heheh |
| 21:20.10 | louipc | nice |
| 21:23.00 | brlcad | louipc: it looks like it makes standard hex and allen bolts, nuts, and washers using descriptors like M10x50, M8, etc as well as generaized number of faces, height/width |
| 21:23.37 | IriX64 | I know nothing about it other than he assures me it works |
| 21:23.45 | louipc | yeah I noticed the washers |
| 21:24.48 | brlcad | pretty useful actually |
| 21:24.53 | louipc | ah ok I see |
| 21:25.22 | brlcad | very similar to the existing mk_bolt tool |
| 21:25.27 | louipc | could do with button head cap screws (bhcs), flat head and all those other types |
| 21:25.33 | brlcad | have to compare how they both do what they do |
| 21:25.39 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:26.05 | IriX64 | says he'll modify it |
| 21:27.00 | brlcad | IriX64: src/mk/mk_bolt.c is the existing bolt generator, if he matches those other features it provides, it could probably just replace it outright with a better version |
| 21:27.12 | IriX64 | just a sec |
| 21:27.28 | brlcad | might show him how to go about using libwdb too :) |
| 21:27.42 | IriX64 | he didn't look at mk_bolt, but he'll look and do what he can |
| 21:28.13 | brlcad | his tools already "better" in a couple ways, so it would be nice to see it improved |
| 21:28.16 | IriX64 | I invited him to join but he's shy |
| 21:28.43 | brlcad | aww, he should |
| 21:28.58 | IriX64 | heh i don't pressure children |
| 21:29.51 | IriX64 | hangs out in #linux on efnet |
| 21:31.02 | brlcad | then he already knows the ropes ;) |
| 21:31.07 | IriX64 | and chains :) |
| 21:31.33 | JRogers | brlcad: Is this Sean? |
| 21:31.33 | brlcad | he's clearly capable coder to get as far as he's got, he could work on brl-cad more :) |
| 21:31.40 | brlcad | JRogers: howdy, and yes |
| 21:32.18 | brlcad | ah, docbook, hoey! :) |
| 21:32.23 | JRogers | brlcad: I just got your email in response to the Doc Writer. Im interested in taking it on |
| 21:32.30 | JRogers | yes |
| 21:32.41 | brlcad | excellent |
| 21:32.41 | IriX64 | brlcad: very capable but what he works on is up to him :) |
| 21:32.51 | brlcad | IriX64: that's always the case in open source |
| 21:33.15 | brlcad | you can ask, you can beg, you can bribe, but you can't make anyone do anything ;) |
| 21:33.27 | IriX64 | :) |
| 21:33.33 | louipc | or volunteering :P |
| 21:34.15 | brlcad | JRogers: so what do you need from me to get started? |
| 21:34.17 | IriX64 | but if you want something done the absolute fastest least effort way give it to a (competent) lazy slob to do ;) |
| 21:35.05 | JRogers | I have been looking at some of the docs that i could find. Is there somewhere that holds the whole collection? |
| 21:35.24 | brlcad | not really, which is part of the problem |
| 21:35.30 | brlcad | they are in different places in different formats |
| 21:35.38 | brlcad | and depending on the format usually determines where they are at |
| 21:36.05 | brlcad | the manpages are spread throughout the sources, usually provided alongside the tool's code (and there are about 300 manual pages) |
| 21:36.57 | brlcad | the html pages are in the doc/html directory and includes a mix of tutorial, overview, release notes, and more |
| 21:37.28 | brlcad | there are text docs in the top-level (which will probably remain text), but also in the doc/ dir which could be docbookified or not |
| 21:38.00 | JRogers | ok... Are you going to want to have the docs integrated right into the source tree and set to compile with the main progs? |
| 21:38.05 | brlcad | there are troff docs in the doc/ dir too, a long guide to mged, and a few other tools |
| 21:39.16 | brlcad | there is a massive tutorial series that is natively in ms word format, which is what you find pdf's of on the website for numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 |
| 21:39.28 | brlcad | JRogers: yeah, that will be ideally what we end up with |
| 21:39.40 | brlcad | so they can be version controlled, updated as needed with the sources, etc |
| 21:40.07 | brlcad | probably add a configure option to enable/disable their generation since they'll depend on external tools (unless you have another idea for managing that) |
| 21:40.14 | JRogers | ok.. Let me start by getting a copy of the source tree and take a look from there. |
| 21:40.48 | brlcad | if you want a document to "start with", that'd probably be the html doc link #1 on the website, it's a fairly brief overview with a handful of images |
| 21:41.10 | brlcad | I have that in english and italian, and maybe a copy in spanish somewhere |
| 21:41.54 | JRogers | Latest Docbook standard (v5 i believe) |
| 21:42.40 | brlcad | it's still candidate release, but good enough :) |
| 21:43.55 | brlcad | there's something to be said for considering docbook lite, have you used it? |
| 21:44.05 | JRogers | ok... Let me start taking a look around and see what im up against. Any idea's on what options re formats your going to want. I would guess HTML, PDF. |
| 21:44.31 | JRogers | Not really used it much but i am willing to use whatever you want |
| 21:44.34 | brlcad | yeah, html, pdf, and plain txt for starters |
| 21:44.59 | brlcad | i'm not stuck on lite, i've just seen it in use more and more |
| 21:45.43 | brlcad | probably makes it simpler for document writers, but then of course constrains how it can be used |
| 21:46.33 | JRogers | Which ever way you want to go... To me its just all a subset of xml anyways and the only difference to me is what tags are available |
| 21:48.47 | JRogers | ok.. just took a quick look at the light standard and its fine by me.. Why don't we start with that and see if it will cover our needs |
| 21:49.09 | brlcad | e.g. http://www.producingoss.com/ was written using lite |
| 21:49.51 | brlcad | though they didn't use any images/diagrams |
| 21:53.44 | JRogers | ok... that should be enough to get me started. Are the msword docs (that the 4 pdfs where made from) on sourceforge? |
| 21:55.05 | brlcad | they're not really available anywhere as i've not wanted those to "get out" cept to folks working on the project (on tasks like this) |
| 21:55.48 | JRogers | ok. eventually i will need a copy of those. |
| 21:58.21 | JRogers | if possible though can you email me the first one |
| 22:00.14 | louipc | yar I converted one to html |
| 22:00.21 | louipc | no images though :( |
| 22:02.05 | JRogers | that will do. i might be able to pull the images off the pdf |
| 22:03.13 | louipc | http://louipc.no-ip.org/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGEDs.html |
| 22:04.35 | brlcad | louipc: cool, did I know that? |
| 22:05.35 | louipc | I just did it right now :D |
| 22:06.17 | brlcad | nice, that's a decent start towards docbook format |
| 22:06.40 | brlcad | just needs to be broken out into all the separate sections, reference images, tables, etc |
| 22:07.05 | JRogers | he makes it sound so easy... lol |
| 22:07.16 | louipc | there's pdftohtml in a package called poppler |
| 22:07.43 | brlcad | no image extraction though, eh? |
| 22:08.44 | JRogers | ok.. i gotta take off but i will get started on looking through some of this stuff tonight. |
| 22:09.06 | louipc | it does have image extraction but that one I did is kind of odd just a sec |
| 22:10.11 | brlcad | JRogers: cool, and thanks for jumping in |
| 22:10.29 | JRogers | no worries.. i was bored and needed a new project to work on. |
| 22:10.36 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:10.53 | JRogers | louipc: if you get one with images can you just replace the other one |
| 22:11.04 | brlcad | we're hurting for bodies, with a line of wants and demands at the door :) |
| 22:11.24 | JRogers | once i get started im going to need devel access to the source tree for ver control |
| 22:11.26 | louipc | http://louipc.no-ip.org/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGED/ |
| 22:11.47 | brlcad | JRogers: yep, understood, just let me know when and send me your sf id |
| 22:11.57 | louipc | I can play around with it |
| 22:12.01 | louipc | JRogers: sure |
| 22:12.36 | JRogers | cool. l8t all |
| 22:13.41 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 |
| 22:13.48 | IriX64 | some pictures |
| 22:16.37 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: What is the current backup procedure for your server? |
| 22:20.03 | brlcad | the server performs (or at least attempt to perform) a level zero every week, as well as local daily backups of most of the databases |
| 22:20.39 | MinuteElectron | hmm, so the website is safe if the server crashes? |
| 22:20.45 | brlcad | louipc: interesting, though it looks like that pdf was created with background images underlayed |
| 22:20.47 | MinuteElectron | s/crashes/dies |
| 22:20.58 | brlcad | so you can't directly extract the images without the original |
| 22:21.14 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yeah, it should be |
| 22:21.18 | MinuteElectron | ok, |
| 22:21.21 | MinuteElectron | that is good |
| 22:21.28 | louipc | :D |
| 22:22.02 | brlcad | the server it backs up to also has it's own backup processes that go on, full off-site backups usually once a year and local backups every few months |
| 22:22.09 | IriX64 | louipc: have you thought of bringing the images up and screen capturing them to a file? |
| 22:22.20 | louipc | IriX64: what do you mean? |
| 22:22.32 | brlcad | louipc: you want to try off of the original .doc? |
| 22:22.46 | brlcad | see if you can make a different pdf that will capture the images better on conversion? |
| 22:22.49 | louipc | I can capture them in pdf2html I can specify a zoom level too, |
| 22:22.54 | IriX64 | bing the document up on screen and take a screen shot of the area you're interested n |
| 22:23.11 | louipc | pdftohtml I mean |
| 22:23.32 | IriX64 | no something to take a shot of a screen area like i did mine |
| 22:23.36 | brlcad | louipc: I mean the fact that it pulled the whole page here: http://louipc.no-ip.org/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGED/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGED015.png |
| 22:23.37 | louipc | brlcad: sure I can try I will have to look up how to do it |
| 22:23.44 | louipc | yeah |
| 22:24.01 | brlcad | was that an option, or is there really no separate image for that screenshot |
| 22:24.14 | louipc | I can try to get it |
| 22:24.27 | brlcad | it certainly looks modified and not just extracted |
| 22:24.38 | brlcad | because the bit depth/quality is wrong |
| 22:24.48 | louipc | yeah it's the zoom |
| 22:24.57 | louipc | I suppose |
| 22:32.09 | IriX64 | If you like those pictures, I'll see what I can do about getting this thing working with a handfull of dlls and something like Xming or Xwin32 |
| 22:33.16 | louipc | might just be the rendering library |
| 22:40.36 | brlcad | the coverity report is interesting |
| 22:40.47 | brlcad | can't wait for them to get the whole thing indexed properly |
| 22:41.12 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Would you mind taking a look at htpd.conf for my.brlcad.org - the .htaccess rewrite rules aren't working. |
| 22:41.14 | brlcad | (it aborted after processing tk) |
| 22:41.31 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: sure |
| 22:41.37 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
| 22:44.02 | MinuteElectron | HOw long does it take to delete a single shortcut... |
| 22:44.11 | MinuteElectron | Windows is weird. |
| 22:44.20 | louipc | hahh |
| 22:44.45 | MinuteElectron | 1 minute and counting. |
| 22:46.56 | MinuteElectron | And now windows has hung. OMG |
| 22:47.11 | MinuteElectron | Fixed. |
| 22:51.34 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be working |
| 22:51.37 | brlcad | did you turn the engine on? |
| 22:51.57 | MinuteElectron | Oh, no. |
| 22:52.14 | brlcad | <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> |
| 22:52.15 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.20 | MinuteElectron | Ok. |
| 22:52.23 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.25 | brlcad | etc |
| 22:52.28 | MinuteElectron | Wait, I did. |
| 22:53.26 | brlcad | let me enable it for all |
| 22:53.30 | brlcad | see if it helps |
| 22:55.10 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/photonmappedhavoc.png and I'm sorry I interrupted your conversation, sometimes I get too excited for my own good |
| 22:56.09 | IriX64 | roses need watering :) |
| 22:56.13 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: try now |
| 22:56.45 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 22:56.56 | MinuteElectron | no luck |
| 22:59.57 | brlcad | hm, are you sure the problem isn't your rewrite rule? |
| 23:00.31 | brlcad | i know mediawiki, for example, hijacks the rewrite (if you try to do what their docs say, it often won't work as-is) |
| 23:01.35 | MinuteElectron | one sec |
| 23:03.26 | brlcad | i've got mediawiki set up elsewhere on that server with good settings, so there's something to compare against |
| 23:07.39 | MinuteElectron | I have configured MediaWiki - still no luck. |
| 23:14.48 | louipc | hmm yeah I can't seem to get it to convert nicely it's a big buggy |
| 23:14.55 | louipc | *bit |
| 23:25.11 | MinuteElectron | Work on the site in the morning. Goodnight. |
| 23:27.17 | louipc | goodnight |
| 23:36.06 | IriX64 | heh it works with xming :) |
| 23:53.30 | brlcad | thanks MinuteElectron, I'll take a look and see if I can get it to go |
