| 00:52.47 | IriX64 | Natalies Interactive Ray Tracer :) |
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| 02:23.22 | brlcad | deltazap: you'll find that even versions of autocad don't agree on how they interpret their own standard |
| 02:23.50 | brlcad | the model doesn't have to be oriented in any particular order |
| 02:24.13 | brlcad | i think our coordinate systems are actually identical iirc, but don't quote me on that (it's just a rotation if they're not) |
| 02:32.42 | brlcad | deltazap: the was a big ambiguity in the standard regarding 3dface support (and whether a blessed duplicate fourth vertex was required) that even autocad used to choke on but later fixed .. if you're using 7.8.0+ though, it shouldn't matter |
| 02:33.54 | brlcad | as the code was modified to support old and new 3dface specifications (where it originally only supported new) |
| 02:58.02 | deltazap | strange |
| 02:59.15 | deltazap | i'm going to compile the new version and see if it clears up my issue with at least qcad |
| 03:08.07 | brlcad | latest cvs head should be good now |
| 03:08.25 | brlcad | new source release really is hours away (probably thursday sometime) |
| 03:08.38 | deltazap | haha, nmm |
| 03:08.43 | brlcad | binaries posted through the rest of the week |
| 03:08.59 | brlcad | what version were you using? |
| 03:09.06 | brlcad | s/were/are/ |
| 03:15.31 | deltazap | 7.6.6 is what's on sourceforge for OSX |
| 03:17.45 | deltazap | i built 7.8.4 on my other machine to see how long it would take and it never even crossed my mind that i had an older version on my ibook |
| 03:19.05 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:19.39 | brlcad | yeah, that version only outputs dxf that newer autocad and other cad packages will read |
| 03:20.41 | deltazap | 7.8.4? |
| 03:24.53 | deltazap | i can understand that 7.6 would also have a problem with older versions of autocad, such as 2002 *sigh* |
| 03:25.48 | brlcad | 7.8.4 should work on old |
| 03:26.20 | deltazap | hmm |
| 03:26.49 | brlcad | anything 7.8.0+ iirc |
| 03:27.55 | deltazap | hmm, ok |
| 03:53.00 | deltazap | ohohoh, one other question: why doesn't the -i switch work with -o? |
| 03:53.37 | brlcad | seriously? |
| 03:54.31 | deltazap | if i did g-dxf -i -o (filename), it claims that (filename) isn't there |
| 03:55.49 | brlcad | did it say "Cannot open output file (filename) for writing" ? |
| 03:56.38 | brlcad | ooh, eek |
| 03:56.42 | deltazap | nope, just that the file didn't exist |
| 03:57.04 | deltazap | it looks like it's ignoring multiple switches |
| 03:57.53 | brlcad | wow, you just found a somewhat prevalent bug |
| 03:57.59 | deltazap | :D |
| 03:58.12 | brlcad | a one-char typo |
| 04:01.30 | brlcad | prevalent == 4 converters |
| 04:02.12 | brlcad | mind if I credit you? |
| 04:03.27 | deltazap | sure :) |
| 04:08.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: |
| 04:08.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: Shawn Baker identified a bug in g-dxf (which in turn was found in g-acad, g-nff, |
| 04:08.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: and g-obj too) where the -i argument ended up gobbling up the following argument |
| 04:08.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: incorrectly. e.g g-dxf -i -o filename.dxf blah.g object would end up in a |
| 04:08.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: filename.dxf error. |
| 04:09.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/ (g-acad.c g-dxf.c g-nff.c g-obj.c): |
| 04:09.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: Shawn Baker identified a bug in g-dxf (which in turn was found in g-acad, g-nff, |
| 04:09.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: and g-obj too) where the -i argument ended up gobbling up the following argument |
| 04:09.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: incorrectly. e.g g-dxf -i -o filename.dxf blah.g object would end up in a |
| 04:09.03 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: filename.dxf error. |
| 04:09.57 | brlcad | thanks, great lil catch! |
| 04:11.45 | deltazap | no problem :D |
| 04:12.22 | deltazap | glad to put the g-dxf converter through it's paces ;) |
| 04:26.38 | deltazap | doot doot doo, almost done with building 7.8.4 |
| 04:29.33 | Twingy | almost done? you obviously need a slower computer |
| 04:30.54 | deltazap | it's a PPC |
| 04:30.59 | deltazap | Poor Persons Computer |
| 04:31.30 | Twingy | I should have never sold my Mac SE |
| 04:31.40 | Twingy | I still have a 60 MHz PowerPC |
| 04:31.46 | Twingy | I bet mine is slower |
| 04:31.55 | deltazap | oh, yeah, of course it is |
| 04:32.02 | deltazap | mine's a 1.2 ghz g4 |
| 04:32.07 | Twingy | yea, just a tad faster |
| 04:32.09 | deltazap | woo, done |
| 04:32.13 | Twingy | I have 24MB of ram in it |
| 04:32.22 | Twingy | and a 500GB scsi drive |
| 04:32.27 | Twingy | err 500MB |
| 04:35.08 | deltazap | bah! qcad still can't display the .dxf |
| 04:45.14 | brlcad | qcad could have their own independent issues |
| 04:45.16 | brlcad | what about 2002? |
| 04:45.41 | deltazap | don't have it on me right now, will check when i get to campus |
| 04:46.36 | brlcad | iirc, qcad's dxf importer is actually a rather custom subset hack |
| 04:46.48 | brlcad | but it's been a while |
| 04:47.30 | brlcad | vaguely recall someone saying it couldn't parse entity names that had punctuation in them or something like that |
| 04:48.15 | deltazap | hmm |
| 04:48.49 | brlcad | not saying that's a the problem.. one of probably a dozen similar conformance issues |
| 04:49.49 | deltazap | for marking up dimesions, it seems like autocad is about the only options out there |
| 04:49.52 | brlcad | if you can find why qcad chokes, would be good to know to try and accommodate them |
| 04:50.00 | deltazap | yeah |
| 04:50.18 | brlcad | maybe they have a verbose/debug mode or something similar |
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| 09:44.05 | clock_ | What do you think about this logo for the upcoming Twibrigt Labs' monolithic operating system SPAD? http://ronja.twibright.com/spad.png |
| 12:46.44 | deltazap | huh, i should have tested mged last night... |
| 13:22.43 | brlcad | deltazap: why's that? |
| 13:27.13 | deltazap | error with itcl |
| 13:29.44 | deltazap | "Itcl_Init error Can't find a usable itcl.tcl in the following directories: |
| 13:29.49 | brlcad | ah, it found a system tcl |
| 13:29.52 | brlcad | er, itcl |
| 13:30.14 | brlcad | add --enable-itcl-build to configure |
| 13:30.28 | brlcad | assuming you're on head |
| 13:31.25 | deltazap | this error came from launching mged after building the 7.8.4 sources |
| 13:32.39 | deltazap | the error is saying that it couldn't find a system itcl anywhere in /System/Library |
| 13:35.53 | brlcad | oooh, 7.8.4 |
| 13:36.02 | brlcad | that's another ball of wax |
| 13:36.37 | brlcad | with 7.8.4, it would have tried to use the Tcl framework, which won't work with that version |
| 13:36.45 | deltazap | :X |
| 13:36.47 | brlcad | that's all rather changed |
| 13:37.03 | brlcad | add --enable-almost-everything instead ;) |
| 13:37.16 | brlcad | that should make 7.8.4 happy on os x |
| 13:37.26 | brlcad | and --enable-optimized of course |
| 13:37.43 | brlcad | or just wait for the 7.10.0 tarball later today |
| 13:38.07 | deltazap | hmm, alright |
| 13:56.34 | deltazap | alright, time to get running to school for test |
| 15:10.33 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 15:11.35 | ``Erik | y'know, she's pissing me off. I was over at the conf room for the ccb, gave up a couple minutes after 10... came back to the office, decided I was bored so I read email... she scrubbed it this morning. be nice if a little more notice were given, some of us don't read email every hour :/ |
| 15:13.04 | ``Erik | (I'm seeing the /tmp issue, too... I set TMPDIR=/usr/tmp to see if that fixes things, the line in the makefile is: && dc_destdir="$${TMPDIR-/tmp}/am-dc-$$$$/" |
| 15:13.07 | ``Erik | ) |
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| 16:23.18 | deltazap | whoops, wrong window :X |
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| 19:31.22 | IriX64 | 7-10 tarball? |
| 19:31.48 | IriX64 | where? |
| 19:33.33 | IriX64 | not on sourceforge :( |
| 19:36.06 | ``Erik | brlcad is being a lazy turd and chattering instead of releasing... |
| 19:36.29 | IriX64 | heh well it is a chat network |
| 19:36.36 | ``Erik | in person... |
| 19:36.44 | IriX64 | err ok :) |
| 19:38.13 | IriX64 | ``Erik i'm thinking of getting a real system, what would you recommend for a nove *nix user? |
| 19:39.14 | IriX64 | err novice |
| 19:40.30 | ``Erik | uh, system as in OS or hardware? |
| 19:40.35 | deltazap | IriX64: mac :P |
| 19:40.41 | IriX64 | tiger? |
| 19:41.02 | IriX64 | heh how much for a basic good boxen? |
| 19:41.52 | deltazap | a mac mini runs at about $600 now |
| 19:42.01 | IriX64 | thats all? |
| 19:42.12 | ``Erik | I bought my ibook for $700 4 yrs ago |
| 19:42.17 | deltazap | yeah, one of the little tiny machines |
| 19:42.27 | deltazap | and i bought my ibook 2 years ago for 900 |
| 19:42.40 | IriX64 | this is doable |
| 19:42.50 | IriX64 | i never followed the mac line |
| 19:42.52 | ``Erik | not like they're obscenely expensive unless you go high end *shrug* |
| 19:43.02 | IriX64 | don't need high end |
| 19:43.18 | ``Erik | I think the one I'm sitting at now was ~$10k... two 23" cinemadisplays plus all maxed out specs for a dual g5 tower |
| 19:43.24 | deltazap | IriX64: get one of these: http://www.apple.com/macpro/ |
| 19:43.47 | ``Erik | of course, you could just slap fbsd or leenewx on any old functional 'puter |
| 19:43.58 | ``Erik | dual boot your winderz box or something *shrug* |
| 19:44.27 | IriX64 | deltazap isn't that considered high end? |
| 19:44.28 | deltazap | IriX64: if you want to just mess with Linux, try out Ubuntu |
| 19:44.34 | deltazap | yeah :D |
| 19:44.42 | IriX64 | heh |
| 19:44.42 | deltazap | but look at it! 8 cores! |
| 19:45.00 | IriX64 | gimme a braek i wouldnt know aht to do with that |
| 19:45.34 | ``Erik | rt knows what to do with that |
| 19:45.37 | deltazap | make -j8 all day |
| 19:45.39 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:45.46 | IriX64 | maybe a gift from the easter bunny :) |
| 19:45.46 | ``Erik | gmake -sj |
| 19:46.28 | IriX64 | don't get me wrong i like my current setup (quite functional) |
| 19:47.40 | IriX64 | -msse3 (ohhhh baby) |
| 19:48.43 | deltazap | so, i can confirm that the dxf converter isn't completely broken, some programs can read files from it |
| 19:48.57 | deltazap | it's just autocad and qcad that are broken :P |
| 19:49.04 | ``Erik | hrm, only $14k |
| 19:50.17 | IriX64 | for that system deltazap pointed me to? |
| 19:50.59 | ``Erik | for a dressed up mac pro |
| 19:51.11 | ``Erik | how I'd probably get one if I made work buy it :) |
| 19:51.15 | ``Erik | tempting... |
| 19:51.22 | IriX64 | wonder if she'd let me undress her :) |
| 19:53.20 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/425903 <-- brlcad being compiled by my strange system :) |
| 19:57.25 | IriX64 | don't get that statement at link time :) |
| 19:58.57 | deltazap | doobie shoobie dooot |
| 19:59.27 | IriX64 | heh living on the fault line (doobie brothers circa 73) |
| 20:05.11 | IriX64 | where can i study up on endianess? |
| 20:05.26 | IriX64 | ahhh never mind ill try thos google thing |
| 20:05.31 | IriX64 | this too |
| 20:09.50 | IriX64 | ahh big-endian is stored the way we write it true? |
| 20:10.22 | IriX64 | ? |
| 20:10.52 | IriX64 | ie 1025 vs 2510 |
| 20:37.51 | ``Erik | big endian is the way youd' think it's stored... the hex value aabbccdd is stored as aa bb cc dd, opposed to dd cc bb aa |
| 20:38.17 | IriX64 | thats what i meant |
| 20:38.37 | ``Erik | the C one-liner for showing how it's stored is something like... |
| 20:38.38 | ``Erik | int main(int argc, char **argv) { union { int v; char c[4]; } v; v.v = 0xaabbccdd; printf("%x is %x %x %x %x\n", v.v, 0xff&v.c[0], 0xff&v.c[1], 0xff&v.c[2], 0xff&v.c[3]); return 0; } |
| 20:38.42 | IriX64 | whose brainchild is little-endian :) |
| 20:38.47 | ``Erik | intel. |
| 20:39.05 | IriX64 | heh |
| 20:39.07 | ``Erik | dec was doing "middle-endian" though |
| 20:39.17 | IriX64 | middle? |
| 20:39.22 | IriX64 | news to me |
| 20:39.26 | deltazap | i'm going to end up marking up this schematic with photoshop :X |
| 20:40.00 | ``Erik | irix64: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness |
| 20:40.15 | IriX64 | dec did 12737 301 777566 and it appeared that way in memory |
| 20:40.27 | IriX64 | loc 1000 etc |
| 20:40.59 | IriX64 | 1000/12737 10001/301 1002/777566 |
| 20:41.45 | IriX64 | just puts an 'A' to the typer :) |
| 20:41.58 | IriX64 | but if you add 137 1000 it loops forever |
| 20:42.22 | ``Erik | pdp11 stored 0x0a0b0c0d as b a d c |
| 20:42.38 | IriX64 | true but it was transparent |
| 20:42.45 | ``Erik | heh, "bad c"... how... fitting? :D |
| 20:42.51 | IriX64 | ie the concole handled it as well as the compiler |
| 20:43.02 | IriX64 | console too |
| 20:43.08 | IriX64 | :) |
| 20:43.20 | ``Erik | all machines make it "transparent" when the machien stands alone... it's not until you try to do data exchange between two machines of different endian and/or bit width that issues crop up |
| 20:43.51 | ``Erik | and the intarweb is built big endian, so it's only a bitch for people who touch wrong-endian machines... er... little endian machines... |
| 20:44.00 | IriX64 | not just data exchange such is true for trying to compile on one type for another type |
| 20:44.10 | IriX64 | heh |
| 20:44.54 | ``Erik | um, type casts are handled "intelligently" by the compiler... if you cast a long to a short (provided it fits), it'll handle placing the bytes for you... |
| 20:45.32 | IriX64 | the compiler *should tell you if its a proper cast or not |
| 20:45.51 | IriX64 | brlcad has such as warnings |
| 20:46.20 | IriX64 | initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 20:46.30 | ``Erik | yes, they'll warn... but they'll figure out where to put the bits... you don't have to do it "by hand" |
| 20:46.40 | IriX64 | true |
| 20:46.54 | IriX64 | if its worth its salt that is some just kaff |
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| 20:48.45 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/425971 <--- speak of the devil |
| 20:49.47 | louipc | I'm not sure what to say about him |
| 20:50.19 | ``Erik | which one? the robot devil? |
| 20:51.11 | IriX64 | she devil....oh yeah ;) |
| 20:52.25 | louipc | fembots |
| 20:53.03 | IriX64 | seven of borg |
| 20:53.39 | ``Erik | six was cooler... (tripping the rift) |
| 20:54.03 | IriX64 | caution 'e' detected... incoming ;) |
| 20:55.09 | deltazap | ``Erik: i thought you were talking about caprica six |
| 20:55.31 | ``Erik | oh, well... yeah, tricia's pretty rockin', too |
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| 21:21.46 | IriX64 | that multiple definition of ogl_open etc thing fixed in 7-10? |
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| 21:29.11 | IriX64 | if memory serves there are two ogl_open routines, in mged and libdm (i think) |
| 21:30.04 | brlcad | libfb and libdm |
| 21:30.11 | IriX64 | ty |
| 21:30.28 | IriX64 | you grep very fast :) |
| 21:30.34 | IriX64 | im slow |
| 21:30.44 | IriX64 | builds ok without opengl though |
| 21:30.57 | brlcad | no grep involved |
| 21:31.09 | brlcad | just know it |
| 21:31.14 | IriX64 | kudos |
| 21:31.14 | brlcad | that code has changed on head too |
| 21:31.19 | IriX64 | ty |
| 21:31.22 | brlcad | no longer named the same |
| 21:31.40 | IriX64 | ty |
| 21:34.15 | IriX64 | i noticed they were different :) |
| 22:17.41 | deltazap | when does the topic change to "7.10 release party"? |
| 22:17.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:18.12 | IriX64 | you did it? |
| 22:20.24 | IriX64 | nope :) |
| 22:28.47 | deltazap | the cvs instructions on brlcad.org, are those for head? |
| 22:34.17 | louipc | seems to be |
| 22:35.10 | louipc | sometimes it doesn't update properly for me if I already have cvs sources |
| 22:35.56 | louipc | so I just get them all fresh again. I'm not sure why that is, I've never properly looked into how to use CVS though :/ |
| 22:36.34 | deltazap | i've never really used cvs, only messed with svn |
| 22:36.58 | deltazap | the build i did at home failed :-\ |
| 22:37.05 | louipc | aw |
| 22:37.13 | louipc | I haven't tried for awhile |
| 22:37.31 | deltazap | i'm not sure what exactly went wrong, think it was during the make |
| 22:37.40 | brlcad | deltazap: svn was made to be a cvs replacement.. the syntax is nearly identical |
| 22:37.53 | brlcad | louipc: probably miss "cvs update -dP" |
| 22:38.10 | deltazap | svn is nice |
| 22:38.15 | brlcad | that checks for new directories and prunes old/empty ones (svn does that by default) |
| 22:38.24 | brlcad | svn is nice |
| 22:38.31 | brlcad | we'll move to it soon enough, just not yet ;) |
| 22:38.45 | louipc | cool thanks. I thought co would automatically update o.O |
| 22:38.56 | brlcad | co means checkout |
| 22:39.04 | brlcad | you only checkout once |
| 22:39.07 | deltazap | svn up |
| 22:39.14 | brlcad | from then, you update |
| 22:39.22 | brlcad | cvs up -dP |
| 22:39.38 | brlcad | there are shorthands for all the commands in both cvs and svn |
| 22:39.43 | louipc | ah |
| 22:45.07 | deltazap | brlcad: i found out that g-dxf does ok for conversion, it seems that qcad is the one who's broken |
| 22:45.21 | deltazap | i found a dxf viewer that renders the converted file just fine |
| 22:47.10 | IriX64 | deltazap do you have access to acad dwgs? can you produce a dxf and turn it into a g file? |
| 22:47.59 | louipc | have you seen that? -> http://www.opendwg.org/ |
| 22:48.20 | deltazap | i just have a few dxf's from qcad's examples and they will convert over to brl, but they're a bit weird |
| 22:48.36 | ``Erik | svn was designed to be "pretty darn similar" to cvs... other than the minor caveats (cvs doens't compress by default, you must do -z3 or something.... cvs wants you to give it the -dP for new dir and pruning...)... |
| 22:49.25 | deltazap | louipc: no, i haven't, but i will look |
| 22:49.44 | IriX64 | louipc not a bad idea. |
| 22:50.04 | IriX64 | but i was just looking for the shuttle :) |
| 22:50.20 | deltazap | the only thing that i need autocad for is to attach dimesions onto a schematic so i can send it to a metal shop to be fabricated |
| 22:50.44 | IriX64 | what are you fabricating |
| 22:51.49 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD kinda focuses on engineering analysis, not production or design... so we don't have autocad/pro-e/catia/etc type features |
| 22:53.09 | ``Erik | oh wow, I was cut down to two seconds on my acting debut... at least I got the movie for free, I suppose o.O |
| 22:53.13 | bjorkBSD | deltazap, what do you fabricate? |
| 22:53.13 | deltazap | ``Erik: yeah, i know, but it was much easier to use to make a solid model since it's the only software i had available/knew on monday ;) |
| 22:53.30 | IriX64 | read its a fully enable prototyping environment |
| 22:53.37 | IriX64 | enabled to |
| 22:53.46 | bjorkBSD | too too :) |
| 22:53.52 | IriX64 | heh |
| 22:54.01 | deltazap | it's a set of landing skids for model helicopters that i work on at a research lab |
| 22:54.20 | ``Erik | which research lab? |
| 22:54.27 | bjorkBSD | yeah. 'a'. |
| 22:54.29 | ``Erik | if you don't mind asking |
| 22:54.30 | ``Erik | er |
| 22:54.32 | ``Erik | my asking |
| 22:54.33 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 22:54.42 | deltazap | a university lab |
| 22:54.44 | bjorkBSD | it's the deltazapNL |
| 22:55.12 | bjorkBSD | what do they need helicopters for? |
| 22:55.18 | ``Erik | and as you think of things that would make it easier, feel free to implement them... :D if you need pointers on where to look, this is a good place to ask |
| 22:55.23 | deltazap | http://www.cse.usf.edu/USL/uslindex.htm |
| 22:55.43 | deltazap | bjorkBSD: autonomous robots |
| 22:55.57 | bjorkBSD | ah |
| 22:56.16 | deltazap | so, we need special landing skids to hold the computers |
| 22:56.45 | bjorkBSD | the skids hold the computers? |
| 22:56.56 | deltazap | yeah, hold on, uploading a picture ;) |
| 22:57.15 | bjorkBSD | a computer-napping 'bot? |
| 22:58.28 | deltazap | http://zap.bonzoesc.net/pics/usl/skids.png |
| 22:58.58 | bjorkBSD | ah |
| 22:59.23 | louipc | neat |
| 22:59.28 | ``Erik | heh, looks like you put the pipe primitive through the ringer :D |
| 22:59.54 | deltazap | ``Erik: it was my friend |
| 23:00.06 | IriX64 | did you do that with brlcad or acad or import or what |
| 23:00.14 | deltazap | i did that in brlcad |
| 23:00.21 | IriX64 | beautifull |
| 23:00.29 | IriX64 | wish i was as talented |
| 23:00.42 | bjorkBSD | i wish i could wish. |
| 23:00.44 | bjorkBSD | *sigh* |
| 23:00.53 | deltazap | IriX64: i've only had about a week of practice |
| 23:00.54 | IriX64 | you can but you still walk :) |
| 23:01.57 | bjorkBSD | what's it gonna say: all i got from brl-cad was this mug |
| 23:02.08 | deltazap | hahaha |
| 23:02.39 | IriX64 | "Thanks for being lots & lots of code brlcad" ;) |
| 23:03.00 | bjorkBSD | to wong foo, no doubt. |
| 23:03.15 | IriX64 | foui lango actually |
| 23:03.16 | deltazap | but, like i said, i need to be able to put dimesions on this to be made |
| 23:03.36 | louipc | - 'your drag alias here' |
| 23:03.37 | IriX64 | isn't there a materials list? |
| 23:04.19 | ``Erik | a few, actually... BRL-CAD stores "GIFT" materials |
| 23:04.27 | deltazap | hmm? |
| 23:05.18 | ``Erik | um, and using that, you can actually compute things lik ethe mass of your model (rtweight) |
| 23:05.33 | ``Erik | might be important for aircraft :) |
| 23:06.11 | deltazap | hah |
| 23:06.13 | bjorkBSD | weight? trivial. it's either lighter or heavier than air :P |
| 23:06.26 | louipc | well you want to make things that fly as light as you can |
| 23:06.26 | bjorkBSD | the matter should be settled with a coin toss. |
| 23:06.31 | ``Erik | heh, does the coin fall or float? |
| 23:06.38 | bjorkBSD | hahah |
| 23:06.48 | ``Erik | last time I checked, most helicoptors and fixed wing craft are a bit heavier than air... |
| 23:06.58 | ``Erik | blimps and zeppelins aren't all that common these days |
| 23:07.01 | bjorkBSD | little bit. |
| 23:07.15 | deltazap | ``Erik: they are, that's why i'm in a rush to get these skids done :P |
| 23:07.41 | bjorkBSD | there's a movie called white diamond about a blimp and it's maker. |
| 23:07.51 | ``Erik | delta: so that's all aluminum and tig welded? |
| 23:08.00 | deltazap | will be when it's done |
| 23:08.07 | ``Erik | cool |
| 23:08.26 | deltazap | the front will have a camera mounted on a pan/tilt |
| 23:08.39 | ``Erik | <-- has done r/c planes, has done a sim for r/c helicoptors, but has only done ground robots |
| 23:08.53 | deltazap | we have those as well |
| 23:08.58 | deltazap | little pain in the... |
| 23:09.13 | ``Erik | and the ground robot was a toy, a lego thing using a 6811 for an undergrad ai class |
| 23:12.32 | louipc | hehe I played with that lego robot kit |
| 23:14.26 | deltazap | ``Erik: the only feature i can think of right now that would be most excellent is tab completion |
| 23:14.44 | louipc | yeah I thought the same |
| 23:20.16 | deltazap | is there a list of materials you can set? |
| 23:20.34 | bjorkBSD | tclsh and wish don't have tab completion either. |
| 23:21.01 | bjorkBSD | maybe it's time to make some noise about that? :D |
| 23:33.51 | IriX64 | actually it's time to change the acoustical model :) |
| 23:35.13 | IriX64 | swing town sounds much better in a concert hall :) |
| 23:38.30 | deltazap | ohhhhhh, it's the shaders listed in the combination editor |
| 23:40.04 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/brlcad <----- project sound |
| 23:43.31 | IriX64 | make clean forgot to flush the toilet :) |
| 23:44.35 | IriX64 | project sound is tied to my motherboard though. |
| 23:47.51 | IriX64 | deltazap, I'm only an Electronics Engineering Technologist, what disipline are you trying for? |
| 23:48.12 | deltazap | mechanical engineering |
| 23:48.21 | IriX64 | how far along are you? |
| 23:48.38 | deltazap | about a summer and a semster away from graduation :) |
| 23:48.52 | IriX64 | haha looking forward to it are you? |
| 23:49.34 | deltazap | very much, but i don't know if i'm going to go for my masters now or just get into open |
| 23:50.08 | IriX64 | masters if i were you (take it from one who wishes he had gone on) |
| 23:50.59 | IriX64 | although life experience counts too |
| 23:57.13 | deltazap | yeah, that's what i'm thinking |
| 23:57.16 | deltazap | it's hard to decide |
| 23:57.32 | deltazap | 2 years of fake student money or start working and get real dollars :D |
