| 01:52.16 | Maloeran | http://www.cjcc.com/Images/funny%20picts/When%20Your%20SysAdmin%20Is%20Bored.jpg |
| 01:54.26 | ``Erik | nice |
| 01:55.34 | brlcad | hah |
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| 17:09.56 | Maloeran | Cool, there's progress from Survice for the immigration visa demand. Though... From this lengthy paperwork and exchanges with lawyers, I didn't realize it would imply more than a couple thousands in fees for them o.O |
| 17:10.13 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:10.21 | ``Erik | probably in the neighborhood of 20k used? |
| 17:10.22 | ``Erik | usd |
| 17:10.26 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 17:10.40 | clock_ | Who's immigrating into the US? |
| 17:10.56 | Maloeran | No clear idea, but they hired people at 265USD/hour to work on it |
| 17:11.10 | ``Erik | bear in mind... every single cost to them for you... all of everything they're paying, they're making at least twice that much in profit. |
| 17:11.20 | Maloeran | clock_: I am, or at least I think I am. I'm presently working from Canada |
| 17:11.28 | ``Erik | clock: work is work... |
| 17:11.44 | ``Erik | and bush and his ass clowns will be gone in a bit... jan '09, WOOOOOOO!!!! |
| 17:11.53 | clock_ | Is it possible to work on BRL-CAD from Hawaii? |
| 17:12.29 | Maloeran | ``Erik, do you mean that the ARL is covering all these costs? |
| 17:12.33 | ``Erik | you can work on brl-cad from anywhere.. getting paid to work on brl-cad all depends on the vehicle for the work order |
| 17:13.03 | ``Erik | mal: arl is paying a snotload, which probably easily covers all of their expenses, plus they'll have you work on shit they sell to other companies |
| 17:13.35 | ``Erik | trust me, if you weren't giving them a non-neglegible profit, they would not bother with you. They're doing what they're doing to maximize profit. nothing else. |
| 17:14.23 | ``Erik | if you were actually costing them money in the long run, your contract would be gone and someone would probably be fired in the mgmt chain there :) |
| 17:14.41 | ``Erik | business is as business does |
| 17:15.37 | Maloeran | Right, okay. I guess I'll never know how big a piece of the cake Survice is grabbing on the way ;) |
| 17:16.22 | ``Erik | the general rule of thumb in industry is that you see about 1/3 of the billing rate |
| 17:16.22 | brlcad | you really don't want to know that |
| 17:17.11 | ``Erik | and for 'regular' employees, the cost to company is about 2.4x gross salary |
| 17:18.52 | ``Erik | <-- has a perverse interest in the numbers o.O also enjoys things like dan wheelers "sloccount" |
| 17:19.48 | ``Erik | money is a tool |
| 17:19.51 | ``Erik | a very real one |
| 17:19.59 | ``Erik | and I like understanding tools |
| 17:20.12 | ``Erik | programming languages and os's are tools |
| 17:20.33 | ``Erik | brlcad is a tool, but I gave up on understanding him... brlcad is as brlcad does. ;) |
| 17:20.34 | brlcad | I mean as a contractor, it's usually not a good idea to know what your charging rate is.. mutually to you and your company |
| 17:20.36 | Maloeran | I think I vaguely understand economics, but I don't understand the appeal of profit maximization |
| 17:21.00 | ``Erik | public companies have a contractual obligation to maximize profit. |
| 17:21.20 | brlcad | aside from the politics of the rate and fact that it can be daunting to realize how much they take ;) |
| 17:21.35 | ``Erik | short term profit, even. :/ quarterly dividends to stock holders, etc |
| 17:21.44 | brlcad | ~dict tool |
| 17:22.01 | Maloeran | I don't really want to know, brlcad, I just realize it can cover extra expenses. Believe it or not, I was worried for a moment |
| 17:22.20 | brlcad | yeah, it can cover whatever the heck they want it to cover |
| 17:22.23 | brlcad | within legalities |
| 17:22.25 | ``Erik | mal: they will let you know that you have something to worry about well before you have something to worry about |
| 17:22.58 | ``Erik | your interest is coding, they know that... keep coding, and enjoy the creature comforts the paychecks afford you |
| 17:23.07 | ``Erik | and don't worry about the bs |
| 17:23.29 | Maloeran | Okay, sounds like a good deal to me :) |
| 17:24.27 | ``Erik | if they realize you're reasonably competent, you'll be golden as long as you don't do something idiotic |
| 17:24.36 | ``Erik | like smear the ceo's office in feces |
| 17:25.02 | ``Erik | unfortunately, many non-technical people judge technical competency by the degree held... |
| 17:25.15 | ``Erik | so even if you think it's stupid, it *IS* in your best interest to get at least a bs |
| 17:26.05 | ``Erik | (and when you apply to a job... the very first people who see your resume are nontechnical hr people... no degree? it'll never get to the technical people who can recognize skill and ability.) |
| 17:27.05 | Maloeran | I just want to do what I enjoy, and that is coding. If I were unable to keep on doing that for a living, I'll do something else part-time with plenty of free time again |
| 17:27.10 | ``Erik | a friend of mine who worked as a mgr for intel... was trying to get a russian dude into their chip design team... had a bitch of a time fighting with hr because the dude didn't have a degree, even though he was a wizard at ic design and when they got him in, he did awesome things... but no degree, so there was a stigma |
| 17:27.19 | Maloeran | But I really don't think I want to go to school again |
| 17:27.43 | ``Erik | sometimes we have to do a little of what we dont' want to in order to do a lot of what we do want to. :( |
| 17:29.46 | ``Erik | I dropped out of college cuz it was stupid in '95... I dropped back in because I realized that the piece of paper was actually important... |
| 17:29.55 | Maloeran | For what you speak of, Erik, does it take "any bs" or something related to the job? |
| 17:30.01 | ``Erik | I went back KNOWING that I'd learn nothing new, it was just a hoop jumping exercise... |
| 17:30.12 | ``Erik | but I actually learned quite a bit after the first 2 yrs of newbie crap |
| 17:30.13 | Maloeran | I could see myself studying something completely unrelated to programming |
| 17:30.21 | ``Erik | the last 2 yrs were .. engaging |
| 17:30.24 | ``Erik | eye opening :) |
| 17:31.12 | ``Erik | uhmmm, in general, I think "any old bs" will do, but I THINK you'd be surprised at the holes in your knowlege if you did pursue a cs, math, or physics degree |
| 17:31.39 | Maloeran | Oh yes, but that's the fun part :), I want to struggle filling these holes myself, with nothing but a sheet of paper and a pen |
| 17:31.40 | ``Erik | I mean, english or music probably won't advance your mind TOO much in the field of interest |
| 17:31.51 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:31.56 | Maloeran | A bs in music theory or french poetry could be nice |
| 17:32.02 | ``Erik | you'll still struggle, and there'll be paper and pen... |
| 17:32.16 | ``Erik | but you get the advantage of something saying "here is a hole" |
| 17:32.27 | ``Erik | instead of going through life clumsily working around it because you dont' know it exists |
| 17:33.02 | ``Erik | I d'no, I went into school all cocky and arrogant, I was humbled by dr shade. and I think I'm far better at what I do now because of it |
| 17:33.45 | ``Erik | I want to do grad school, I just hope I can find a professor who can make me feel totally idiotic so I can grow even more :) |
| 17:34.10 | Maloeran | :) Yes, that should be nice. I had... different experiences |
| 17:34.36 | ``Erik | my highschool was a joke, and the first two years of college were laughable. |
| 17:34.54 | Maloeran | The last day I went to college, I had proven my physic teacher wrong with the Hawking book I had at hand and was thrown out of the class ; never went again |
| 17:34.55 | ``Erik | but there'll be a "wheat and chaff" course... mine was csc 324 |
| 17:35.18 | ``Erik | once you hit that point, you're either a cs person, someone struggling to get a grade, or a dropout. |
| 17:35.40 | Maloeran | As I said, I could see myself studying something that interests me yet that I know little about |
| 17:35.48 | Maloeran | Eheh |
| 17:35.55 | ``Erik | I don't think being thrown out of class fofr disproving a teacher would be acceptable at any college around here |
| 17:35.55 | ``Erik | :( |
| 17:36.15 | ``Erik | I mean, I woulda gone to the dean and made my argument |
| 17:36.32 | ``Erik | also; the dude made some good beer ;) |
| 17:36.32 | Maloeran | I was fed up with school enough at that point not to bother |
| 17:36.45 | ``Erik | I THINK he went to be the dean at chico |
| 17:36.55 | Maloeran | Ahah, I see |
| 17:37.14 | ``Erik | even as a hoop jumping exercise, though, it'll make your life a little easier |
| 17:38.12 | Maloeran | A degree in music would be appealing to me, I think |
| 17:38.13 | ``Erik | being a professional developer without a bs is like, uh... coding c... on windows... without knowing anything about the preprocessor... |
| 17:38.15 | ``Erik | :) |
| 17:38.28 | ``Erik | a buddy of mine in college was doing a dual major of cs and music |
| 17:38.31 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 17:38.43 | ``Erik | and the lower level cs courses, I tested out of |
| 17:39.09 | ``Erik | I was able to prove that I knew what they wanted to teach me, and they removed teh requirement |
| 17:39.39 | Maloeran | Eheh, nice |
| 17:40.36 | Maloeran | I composed music younger, played violin for a decade and in an orchestra, a bs in music/poetry could be great |
| 17:40.37 | ``Erik | *shrug* I think it's worth doing if you want to code for a living. there'll be a couple years of borign stupid shit. then you might learn something new *shrug* and at the end, life'll be that much easier |
| 17:41.05 | ``Erik | getting someone else to pay for a coder to get a music degree could be tricky ;) |
| 17:41.23 | Maloeran | Oh right, it's costly down there :) |
| 17:41.35 | ``Erik | depends on what school |
| 17:41.54 | ``Erik | I think I was paying ~$2000 a year? I dont' remember anymore |
| 17:42.13 | ``Erik | most of it is covered if you're a "resident" |
| 17:42.19 | Maloeran | Ah, not that bad, close to the fees in Canada then |
| 17:42.29 | ``Erik | I woulda paid more than 3x if I wasn't a state resident |
| 17:42.45 | ``Erik | (whcih means having lived in the state for at least 2 yrs or something) |
| 17:43.01 | ``Erik | then most of it was paid through state taxes |
| 17:43.29 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:43.35 | ``Erik | or how his predecessor would feel? :) |
| 17:43.53 | Maloeran | :) Eheh |
| 17:49.00 | ``Erik | <-- recently picked up on the observation that most coders are music o.O |
| 17:49.21 | ``Erik | I think I jabbered about it at vis? |
| 17:49.31 | ``Erik | musical |
| 17:49.32 | ``Erik | even |
| 17:49.52 | Maloeran | Not that I recall, you played an instrument or composed? |
| 17:50.03 | Maloeran | Music is highly creative, I don't think programming is that much different |
| 17:50.14 | ``Erik | guitar, trombone and keyboards... and I've written songs on the guitar |
| 17:50.26 | ``Erik | justin plays keyboards... jason plays clarinet |
| 17:50.49 | Maloeran | Neat |
| 17:51.20 | ``Erik | and I was more into electric organ than piano, heh, difference in HOW you hit the keys |
| 17:52.41 | ``Erik | <-- tends ot have a very soft touch when playing music... or typing *shurg* wants a responsive soft instrument |
| 17:52.43 | Maloeran | I should have sticked with piano at school when the time came to choose our instrument that we would play for the next 7 years |
| 17:53.15 | ``Erik | electric guitars playing "lazy/slurred" for the most part... well oiled trombone slide... low resistance keyboard or electric organ |
| 17:53.54 | brlcad | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Q_22031739.html |
| 17:54.11 | ``Erik | keyboards I dig are the c64 inductance kbd, mitsumi precision 'bubble' kbd, and teh apple kbd's... |
| 17:54.20 | ``Erik | can't STAND those ibm clicky monstrosities |
| 17:54.22 | brlcad | pretty sure his wording just sucked .. I would gather he wants repeatable random numbers, i.e. ability to set the seed .. but pretty damn funny regardless ;) |
| 17:54.53 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:55.40 | ``Erik | REAL repeatable random numbers are nontrivial... given that I can take the see from, say, a linux x86 box to say, an osX ppc box and get a totally different sequence |
| 17:55.57 | Maloeran | I'm not so sure, brlcad, there are people that clueless ;). if( rand() < 0.5*RAND_MAX ) {} if( rand() > 0.5*RAND_MAX ) {} |
| 17:55.58 | ``Erik | but on the same os/arch, srand() is good 'nuff |
| 17:56.14 | ``Erik | hah |
| 17:56.42 | ``Erik | hwer'ed ya see that? |
| 17:56.56 | Maloeran | It was posted in #C some time ago, that code was actually found in a commercial environement |
| 17:57.07 | Maloeran | It was supposed to pick one of the branches "randomly" |
| 17:57.07 | ``Erik | I mean, if there's a 50% chance of A *AND* a 50% of B, then yeah, that might be right |
| 17:57.16 | ``Erik | oh, if that was the intent, yeah, hah :) |
| 17:57.31 | ``Erik | 'else' is hard. |
| 17:58.03 | ``Erik | at least they did 0.5*RANDMAX instead of %2 |
| 17:58.19 | Maloeran | I simplified the code for it to fit on a line, it was actually a mess |
| 17:58.23 | ``Erik | (most rng's have the most significant bits as the most random) |
| 17:58.30 | Maloeran | Some broken conversion to float with comparison with 0.5 |
| 17:58.58 | ``Erik | rand() < 0.5*(float)rand() |
| 17:59.00 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 17:59.11 | Maloeran | I'm amazed by the amount of bad programmers, it's worth crying in #C sometimes |
| 17:59.18 | Maloeran | Efnet's #C that is |
| 17:59.37 | ``Erik | remember; half the people you meet are below average. |
| 17:59.54 | Maloeran | Below the median, perhaps not below the average |
| 18:00.12 | ``Erik | and the ones who are able to grok things will look things up and learn themselves some... so you hear from the dumb ones most |
| 18:00.21 | ``Erik | just like politics and fcc 'decency' rap |
| 18:00.22 | Maloeran | Right. |
| 18:00.22 | ``Erik | crap |
| 18:00.27 | ``Erik | ok |
| 18:00.31 | ``Erik | median, not average, you're right |
| 18:00.42 | ``Erik | but I was quoting |
| 18:00.43 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 18:01.30 | Maloeran | :) Okay. I'm especially amazed by how people can struggle to understand pointers |
| 18:01.35 | ``Erik | (because most people don't understand the difference between median and average) |
| 18:01.51 | ``Erik | hehehe, I like pointers |
| 18:03.24 | Maloeran | now* |
| 18:03.38 | Maloeran | Putting high-school or not, that is the question |
| 18:04.09 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 18:04.14 | ``Erik | contact mark |
| 18:04.21 | ``Erik | he'll talk to the lawyers or whatever for you |
| 18:05.00 | Maloeran | Sure, they gave me that form to fill up. Ah well |
| 18:07.14 | ``Erik | (the stigma of no bachelors...) |
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| 22:48.46 | brlcad | Maloeran: freenode's #C isn't much different |
| 22:49.48 | brlcad | there's even a resident troll that likes to badger the newbies |
| 22:50.29 | brlcad | at least he was there a couple years ago, he wasn't even that well informed, but moreso than the others that would speak up so he often had the mic on the newbies |
| 22:52.23 | Maloeran | Eheh, I see you have actively participated in such channels too |
| 22:53.32 | brlcad | only mildly, usually through referral |
| 22:54.31 | brlcad | someone would come into a different channel asking basic coding questions, and I'd refer them elsewhere.. only to have them return after being told rather unconstructively how stupid they were by elitist a**holes |
| 22:55.04 | brlcad | so I periodically would wander over to put them in their place, tell them to either help or stfu |
| 22:55.12 | Maloeran | Yes, that's the kind of situation that "forces" me to provide some actual help |
| 22:55.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:55.58 | Maloeran | I apparently have been doing that long enough to get op in #opengl, #c and #asm ; probably not a good sign |
| 22:55.59 | ``Erik | I'm happy to provide C advice |
| 22:56.06 | brlcad | what's a pointer? |
| 22:56.08 | ``Erik | but I mostly focused on specialized channels... like #opengl |
| 22:56.22 | ``Erik | to avoid the straight up newbs |
| 22:56.35 | brlcad | lots of straight up newbs hit bz |
| 22:56.52 | ``Erik | I've been ignoring #opengl for the most part lately :/ |
| 22:56.58 | brlcad | so I refer them if it's not a trivial question or they are just missing too much foundation |
| 22:57.23 | Maloeran | #opengl has been decaying since all the regulars fled to #siggraph because our debates were "off topic" |
| 22:57.28 | brlcad | though I do tutor a couple specific individuals that showed great interest, talent, and progress |
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| 22:59.13 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:05.18 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 23:06.55 | ``Erik | which is almost the point of stopping and doing something actually useful *cough* |
| 23:09.50 | Twingy | sean, those papers are signed |
| 23:10.37 | Maloeran | Eheh, lacking motivation Erik? I myself wish I still had the motivation I had at 12-16 years old, it weakened a bit |
| 23:10.48 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:10.55 | ``Erik | I wish i still had the motivation I had at 26. |
| 23:10.57 | ``Erik | :( |
| 23:12.03 | Twingy | what's with you guys :) |
| 23:12.08 | brlcad | Twingy: cool |
| 23:12.28 | brlcad | shame couldn't get public release on them, but meh, it's something |
| 23:13.02 | brlcad | Maloeran: heh, if you're talking like that already.. then you really only have downhill to go :) |
| 23:13.07 | Twingy | I was tempted to pick up the papers and flip through them like a 19th century picture movie |
| 23:13.39 | Maloeran | Aw brlcad :). Seriously, it was not healthy. I was forgetting to eat, to sleep and go to school just to code |
| 23:13.55 | Twingy | the key to motivation is diversity |
| 23:14.21 | Twingy | for me anyway |
| 23:14.23 | ``Erik | diversity only takes ya so far in my experience :/ |
| 23:14.41 | Twingy | depends on what your goals in life are |
| 23:15.07 | Twingy | to become an expert in a field, to become well known, to become utilitarian... |
| 23:15.33 | Maloeran | I still enjoy solving problems just as much. The issue, I think, is that the problems have grown complex and that the solutions take a long while to code up properly |
| 23:15.49 | Twingy | mmm booty |
| 23:15.53 | ``Erik | hhahaha |
| 23:16.14 | ``Erik | dsl's are the art of turning complex problems into simple problems. |
| 23:16.46 | Maloeran | The problems I was solving at 12-16 years old took very little time to code once solved. The current raytracing problems? Gah!! :) |
| 23:17.47 | Maloeran | Erik, what do you mean by dsl there? |
| 23:17.56 | Twingy | damn small linux of course |
| 23:17.57 | ``Erik | domain specific language |
| 23:18.06 | Maloeran | Ah, right |
| 23:18.46 | ``Erik | deep dependancy chains, hard deadlines, and the "probably good enough" minimal ordering |
| 23:20.38 | Twingy | I am displeased with how brakes are engineered for most bikes |
| 23:20.51 | ``Erik | what, the rim calipers? |
| 23:20.56 | Twingy | yea |
| 23:21.02 | Twingy | all they're missing is two springs |
| 23:21.06 | Twingy | two springs!!! |
| 23:21.08 | ``Erik | well |
| 23:21.10 | Twingy | and they'd be 10x better |
| 23:21.11 | ``Erik | do it better |
| 23:21.13 | brlcad | you want hydraulic brakes on your bike? |
| 23:21.15 | ``Erik | and apply for a patent |
| 23:21.21 | ``Erik | and get fucktarded rich |
| 23:21.22 | Twingy | no, I'm going to do that this weekend |
| 23:21.23 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 23:21.25 | Twingy | it'll take 2 minutes |
| 23:21.31 | Twingy | I have my old mountain bike back |
| 23:21.41 | Twingy | the one I used to ride to work at Skyhigh the ISP on in high school |
| 23:21.56 | brlcad | ooh, Hero tonight |
| 23:22.34 | brlcad | or heros or whatever it's called |
| 23:22.38 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 23:22.41 | Twingy | hiros? |
| 23:22.45 | Twingy | food network? |
| 23:22.47 | Twingy | :) |
| 23:22.47 | brlcad | hiro nakamura |
| 23:22.55 | Twingy | hirosushima? |
| 23:23.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:23.03 | brlcad | mm.. sushi |
| 23:23.24 | ``Erik | neko ga tabemasuka? |
| 23:23.28 | Twingy | naggasagonnaworkherenomore |
| 23:23.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:23.59 | brlcad | the korean shop has some |
| 23:24.17 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:24.23 | ``Erik | I might stop there on my drive tomorrie |
| 23:24.29 | ``Erik | you're talking about the one in beards hill, right? |
| 23:24.37 | brlcad | next to kleins |
| 23:25.37 | ``Erik | <-- forgets which big grocery store is in beards hill? knows there's a pizza shop, radiocrap, pet store, lees hunan, home despot, ... |
| 23:25.46 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:25.51 | Twingy | I bet that pet stores has some of my mice still |
| 23:26.01 | ``Erik | "he knows just how I like my martini... full of alcohol" |
| 23:26.23 | ``Erik | but I did just buy a hugeassed bag of rice :D |
| 23:26.28 | ``Erik | ginormous |
| 23:26.42 | Twingy | making saki? |
| 23:26.46 | Twingy | sake |
| 23:26.46 | ``Erik | heh, no |
| 23:27.06 | ``Erik | bought me up a rice maker |
| 23:27.41 | Twingy | riceroni |
| 23:27.56 | Twingy | if you bought a rice maker |
| 23:27.59 | Twingy | why buy rice? |
| 23:28.04 | Twingy | ooh that reminds me |
| 23:28.09 | Twingy | I need to pick up cans tomorrow |
| 23:28.11 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:28.24 | Twingy | I can make one out of aluminum |
| 23:29.29 | Twingy | soon I will have enough to begin rocket motor |
| 23:29.46 | Twingy | the diet pepsi motor |
| 23:30.06 | ``Erik | out of aluminum? |
| 23:30.20 | ``Erik | won't the throat temperature be... destructive? |
| 23:30.29 | ``Erik | what's the term that dude used, ummm |
| 23:30.49 | ``Erik | spontanious rapid disassembly? |
| 23:31.05 | Twingy | not unless your wok is running at 1250F |
| 23:31.14 | Twingy | most woks are at like 500 no? |
| 23:31.27 | ``Erik | <-- meant for a rocket motor |
| 23:31.36 | Twingy | ah, for a naive one sure |
| 23:31.42 | ``Erik | which, from the courses I've been to, like in the neighborhood of 2000f |
| 23:31.44 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:32.08 | Twingy | depends on how you configure it |
| 23:32.12 | Twingy | and what propellants |
| 23:32.26 | Twingy | and whether you got heat fins on it |
| 23:32.58 | ``Erik | yeah *shrug* confuration they're talking is 'how much thrust can I get out of one shot of this thing" |
| 23:33.22 | ``Erik | <-- cooks himslef up some green beans |
| 23:34.53 | ``Erik | seriously, you're in teh same directorate as a guru in the subject |
| 23:38.55 | Twingy | there's probly a bunch of guru's here on the subject |
| 23:39.04 | Twingy | not going to get involved with them though |
| 23:39.15 | Twingy | that way I can't claim any affiliation |
| 23:39.24 | ``Erik | aight *shrug* |
| 23:39.26 | Twingy | or implementation of propietary knowledge |
| 23:39.49 | ``Erik | there's one I've talked to a couple times who is supposedly *THE* guy, but I'll shut up on it :) |
| 23:40.22 | Twingy | I don't see how his background would help me on such small primitive motors which I have a firm grasp on |
| 23:40.36 | Twingy | he'd be the guy to talk to if I was building an Atlas IV maybe |
| 23:41.07 | ``Erik | actually, 4" liquid motors... and they're disturbingly similar to my showerhead thingy, which woulda failed if I understand correctly |
| 23:41.08 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:41.48 | Twingy | still think you should have tried it |
| 23:42.32 | ``Erik | if I understand correctly, the biggest problem would've been how I attached the input nozzles int he upper chamber, those'll blow out |
| 23:42.48 | ``Erik | otherwise, the throat wasn't small enough, the choke would've bene subsonic |
| 23:42.52 | ``Erik | or it'd go through fuel like mad |
| 23:42.53 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:43.57 | ``Erik | oh, and how I attached teh injectors, heh, has been patented. :( |
| 23:47.06 | Twingy | everything has been patented so what? |
| 23:47.26 | ``Erik | heh, yeah. modern patents have killed innovation. |
| 23:47.27 | ``Erik | :( |
| 23:47.52 | Twingy | nah |
| 23:48.08 | Twingy | you can still innovate on your own, no gastapo gonna come after you unless you make $$$ |
| 23:50.34 | Maloeran | That didn't work for the open source developpers in the states who were sued for such infringement |
| 23:52.43 | Twingy | that's why you go anonymous and host offshore :) |
| 23:52.55 | Twingy | *spoken like a loyal federal employee* |
