| 00:19.58 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: |
| 00:19.58 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: search for the tcl/tk stub libraries too, and utilize them accordingly if |
| 00:19.58 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: someone asks for a system tcl or tk. for now, presume that tcl+tclstub and |
| 00:19.58 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: tk+tkstub always exist together or at least that it'll link regardless. |
| 00:34.56 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/bwish/main.c: modify the auto_path as soon as we have the tcl interpreter so that even resources like tk.tcl may be found when mixing system/non-system tcl with other system/non-system components |
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| 02:08.39 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/archer/archer: have archer search the current directory for tclscripts in case we're not installed |
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| 04:05.51 | justin_ | haha |
| 04:05.56 | justin_ | first article on slashdot |
| 04:06.37 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: mingw is once again delayed a release, archer rises to the list for the current distribution |
| 04:14.18 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: support for features either as primitives or operations or both, e.g. chamfer, fillet, round |
| 04:28.44 | pra5ad | link |
| 04:29.57 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: system identifier application with sysctl-style information database |
| 04:31.50 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: justin's idea of a librt-based path tracer is pretty cool |
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| 04:40.12 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/m4/epsilon.m4: while it's bizarre for them to be different, only report a failure to conform if the implementation is epsilon is less than the expected power |
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| 12:24.26 | d_rossberg | what's the plan with HAVE_CONFIG_H ? |
| 12:25.14 | d_rossberg | you need it for every brlcad application, e.g. http://brlcad.org/rtexample.c |
| 12:30.03 | d_rossberg | this define causes trouble for the users (developers are used to trouble) |
| 13:46.44 | learner | d_rossberg, the plan for it is to have it go away completely on an install, same for brlcad_config.h, like it is supposed to |
| 13:48.23 | learner | i believe i now have it so that the header file isn't used in common.h if it's installed so that brlcad_config.h may be left uninstalled |
| 13:48.33 | learner | but haven't fully checked |
| 13:59.28 | learner | even with the rtexample.c application, it only uses common.h -- which is supposed to hide the detail of whether you have the define or not and make it so that the config.h doesn't need to be installed for it to work |
| 14:00.13 | learner | this was broken for a few releases, requiring you to either provide the define, or add the header, or add a search dir |
| 14:00.30 | learner | shouldn't be the case on cvs head now though |
| 14:13.38 | d_rossberg | rtexample.c includes raytrace.h which includes bu.h which uses the time_t type which requires time.h which is only included if HAVE_TIME_H is defined so "config.h" is required |
| 14:15.33 | ``Erik | fucking fuckity fuck fuck fuck |
| 14:17.46 | d_rossberg | lerner: your goal is to distinguish between internal and external declarations |
| 14:18.18 | d_rossberg | common.h should provide the internal declarations only if required |
| 14:21.40 | ``Erik | sean, is justin there? |
| 14:21.50 | learner | d_rossberg: yes, a mistake in the bu.h header really |
| 14:22.04 | learner | ``Erik: i dunno |
| 14:22.14 | ``Erik | oh, you're not in the office, ok |
| 14:22.23 | ``Erik | I'm thinking about suckering someone into driving me around to buy a new car |
| 14:22.29 | ``Erik | *sigh* |
| 14:22.32 | learner | heh |
| 14:22.42 | ``Erik | I blew the tranny out on my truck this morning |
| 14:23.26 | d_rossberg | lernaer: what's the mistake, the time_t or the ifdef HAVE_TIME_H? |
| 14:23.33 | learner | d_rossberg: yes, that is the goal, and config.h is definitely a private header .. bu.h and other headers need to be fixed to remove the HAVE_ defines and system header includes if possible |
| 14:24.21 | learner | d_rossberg: probably both |
| 14:24.43 | learner | the ifdef is fine really, it just can't require what's in the ifdef |
| 14:25.28 | learner | well, half-fine -- bad things might then happen if a user provides HAVE_ defines and our header's logic doesn't behave |
| 14:25.35 | ``Erik | hey, sean, wanna take the day off, hang with a bud, and cruise by car sales lots? :D *Duck* |
| 14:25.55 | learner | heh |
| 14:26.39 | learner | possibly, though I can't take a day off this week .. already did :) |
| 14:27.04 | ``Erik | ah, and since you're contractor, I don't think I can donate leave to you |
| 14:28.51 | ``Erik | 6.2 miles... about 2 hrs |
| 14:31.40 | d_rossberg | lerner: at the moment, it looks like you need this defines |
| 14:32.31 | d_rossberg | lerner: hiding the internal structures, e.g. casts to void*, requires a large amount of work |
| 14:37.13 | learner | d_rossberg: i agree, but i do believe it to be the right long-term direction |
| 14:37.24 | learner | or do you have another idea? :) |
| 14:38.42 | learner | they should certainly work for internal, which they do now -- it's of course the public external header appearance that will take a fair bit of restructuring |
| 14:39.06 | learner | as I mentioned in the dev e-mail, the bigger problem in my view is the dependency ordering of the headers now |
| 14:39.30 | learner | e.g. *have* to include machine.h before anything, should include vmath.h before raytrace.h, etc |
| 14:40.05 | learner | the headers don't function stand-alone, and that I do believe needs fixing |
| 14:42.17 | d_rossberg | learner: that's the classical direction (bringing object orientation into c code) |
| 14:43.08 | d_rossberg | from my own experiance i can say: it ends with c++ classes :) |
| 14:45.39 | d_rossberg | but for now i'll start with adapting "my" projectfiles |
| 14:47.48 | ``Erik | phrack |
| 14:53.02 | Twingy | . |
| 15:08.48 | Twingy | heh |
| 15:08.53 | Twingy | where? |
| 15:10.43 | ``Erik | the new beamer lot |
| 15:11.17 | Twingy | how far? |
| 15:11.19 | ``Erik | y'know when you turn left from 543 to go to my house, then go through a stop light? it's at that light |
| 15:11.25 | ``Erik | a mile or two |
| 15:11.28 | ``Erik | by foot |
| 15:11.33 | Twingy | got a bike? |
| 15:11.35 | ``Erik | 4 or 5 walking, due to the road geomtry |
| 15:11.50 | ``Erik | no :( was actually talking sean and lee into helping me buy one a couple weeks ago |
| 15:11.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:11.57 | Twingy | might not be a bad idea to pick one up at a nearby bike store? |
| 15:12.03 | Twingy | ah |
| 15:12.03 | ``Erik | (I'm a puss, I need people to hold my hand) |
| 15:12.42 | ``Erik | 'k, lemme think, drivers license, phone, and a copy of my salary w2 for proof of income/employment... damn I shouldn't have left my running shoes at work :( |
| 15:12.53 | Twingy | hrm |
| 15:13.00 | Twingy | maybe lease something new? |
| 15:13.09 | Twingy | why not do a 24 month lease on a new car? |
| 15:13.10 | ``Erik | well, they have new and used over there |
| 15:13.25 | ``Erik | I'll go see what they have, if anything grooves with me, I'll see how fast I can get the keys |
| 15:13.34 | Twingy | heh, k |
| 15:13.40 | ``Erik | I have like 15k to throw at it, I'm sure I'll get some wheels |
| 15:13.48 | Twingy | or finance something |
| 15:13.50 | Twingy | with 0 down |
| 15:13.58 | ``Erik | ooh, that reminds me, check book |
| 15:14.12 | ``Erik | ok, catch ya'll later |
| 15:14.40 | Twingy | later |
| 15:30.07 | brlcad | ``Erik: ping |
| 15:35.08 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/tkimg/base/Makefile.am: missing trailing slash |
| 16:00.51 | CIA-13 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Minor tweaks to the _invoke_wizard_update and _init_obj_edit_view methods. |
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| 17:45.29 | raz | brlcad: how do you change the mged status from 'VIEWING' to a status in which we can edit the model? |
| 17:47.37 | brlcad | raz: depends on what you want to edit |
| 17:48.15 | brlcad | you can edit a primitive with 'sed' (solid edit), edit an object/combination with 'oed' |
| 17:48.32 | brlcad | selecting matrix edit or primitive edit on the menu will get you into an edit mode as well |
| 17:49.19 | brlcad | the 'sill' solid illuminate command will also take you into solid edit mode |
| 17:52.15 | raz | :brlcad we want to rotate everything in the ktank.g file |
| 18:14.34 | raz | brlcad:need to change the orientation of ktank.g |
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| 19:10.40 | raz | exit |
| 19:20.03 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 19:44.12 | Twingy | back? |
| 19:44.31 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 19:44.41 | Twingy | and? |
| 19:44.41 | brlcad | and? |
| 19:44.58 | ``Erik | drove a few cars, like 'em, but according to kbb and edmunds, they're overpriced |
| 19:45.06 | ``Erik | wondering if I should head down to another dealership |
| 19:45.10 | ``Erik | or two |
| 19:45.10 | Twingy | so you ARE getting the honda civic? |
| 19:45.15 | ``Erik | heh, no |
| 19:45.25 | ``Erik | I drove a cooper mini S, bmw 330xi, and bmw m3 |
| 19:45.30 | Twingy | ahh, you went with the honda element |
| 19:45.30 | ``Erik | the m3 is... nice. |
| 19:45.38 | Twingy | gonna finance? |
| 19:45.42 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 19:45.42 | brlcad | heh, of course it is :) |
| 19:45.53 | Twingy | only $500/mo? :) |
| 19:46.04 | ``Erik | the m3 would be more like 700/mo |
| 19:46.10 | Twingy | eww |
| 19:46.15 | Twingy | how much is that car?' |
| 19:46.17 | ``Erik | for a 3 yr |
| 19:46.20 | ``Erik | they're asking 36 |
| 19:46.43 | Twingy | 700 x 36 is $25k |
| 19:46.43 | ``Erik | 37, even |
| 19:46.51 | ``Erik | 10k down |
| 19:46.58 | Twingy | ah, heh |
| 19:47.02 | ``Erik | kbb says 34, edmunds says 31 |
| 19:47.03 | Twingy | too rich for my blood |
| 19:47.11 | ``Erik | dude, it's a rocket on wheels |
| 19:47.21 | Twingy | I don't need a rocket on wheels to get to work and back |
| 19:47.46 | Twingy | especially with half the trip at 40 mph :) |
| 19:49.26 | Twingy | call mike |
| 19:49.29 | ``Erik | ? |
| 19:49.38 | Twingy | he's rambling |
| 19:49.50 | ``Erik | you call him |
| 19:49.51 | ``Erik | he won't notice |
| 19:49.57 | Twingy | good point |
| 19:50.23 | Twingy | ah, he left on his own, boggle |
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| 23:33.48 | ``Erik | damn I feel poor |